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Speaker 1: Oh baby, how beautiful is that? Welcome to week four

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Speaker 1: at the end of the whole season. It is the

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Speaker 1: twenty in the Huddle podcast. I am Tim twentyman. You

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Speaker 1: all know who this is. This is David kaf and

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Speaker 1: the Troit Free Press. But also he's got a brand

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Speaker 1: new book out, Detroit Lions, an illustrated timeline. David's your

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Speaker 1: first book. Tell me a little bit about it. How

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Speaker 3: First book? You know, it was fun to do. It

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Speaker 3: was a little project I took on the spring. Finally

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Speaker 3: coming out next week. I do have to give a

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Speaker 3: They helped me with some photos and it's a big

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Speaker 3: coffee table book. You know, if you're a Lions fan,

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Speaker 3: it takes you through the whole history of the franchise,

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Speaker 3: from when it moved to Detroit ninety years ago through

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Speaker 3: the championships of the fifties. You know, some of the

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Speaker 3: pretty good team tim.

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Speaker 1: And pretty good timing, right yeah. And it's good timing

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Speaker 1: Other place you might want to put your Twitter out there.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, one cause it's like, you know, I

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Speaker 4: try to be personally he's younger than me. I try

439
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Speaker 4: to play like Hutch. You know, I try to win

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Speaker 4: every rep that I go in and I don't. But

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Speaker 4: like for the most part, Hutch wins I don't know

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Speaker 4: what looks like eighty percent of his reps, you know

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Speaker 4: what I'm saying. So in practice, in practice, I'm like,

444
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Speaker 4: all right, I gotta win each rep, no matter what

445
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Speaker 4: if the QB throws the ball, Like, I gotta work

446
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Speaker 4: on winning each rep.

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Speaker 2: Like, you know, if Hutch can do it, I can

448
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Speaker 2: do pass can do it. That's an example. It's a

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Speaker 2: true is that room, isn't it without a doubt?

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Speaker 4: So you know the guys are looking at Hudge and

451
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Speaker 4: you know we're trying to get like Hutch you know

452
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Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like he's getting all the sacks.

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Speaker 2: We want the sacks too, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: So it is it is great to watch him.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is you know, he's rare one, so

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Speaker 4: I mean studying him is it'll benefit all of us.

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Speaker 1: DJ reader, What has he meant for you? A veteran

458
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Speaker 1: guy who's been through a lot, not only that, but

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Speaker 1: been through injury to come back from that, but just

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Speaker 1: and it has been really good, really consistently for long time.

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Speaker 1: What he meant to you?

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Speaker 2: I mean, man, it's a lot.

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Speaker 4: I mean even just one from his the knowledge that

464
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Speaker 4: he has, and to just playing alongside him, you don't

465
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Speaker 4: worry about nothing, you know what I'm saying this. You

466
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Speaker 4: know he's going to handle his business and then sometimes

467
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Speaker 4: he makes it easy because he just knocks everybody back.

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Speaker 4: So I mean it's like, uh, you know, and he's

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Speaker 4: on what year eight? Yeah, yeah, you can just tell

470
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Speaker 4: he's a veteran, you know what I'm saying. He handles

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Speaker 4: his business. It almost looks easy out there for him.

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Speaker 4: So playing with him and playing all thin is just

473
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Speaker 4: it's a benefit for us.

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Speaker 1: How what you're looking forward to getting into these on

475
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Speaker 1: a national stage on Monday Night.

476
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Speaker 2: You like them, You like how they look.

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Speaker 4: This week, like if they look better once you get

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Speaker 4: them black jerseys on too.

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Speaker 1: What's the scouting report on Seattle? Obviously a team you

480
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Speaker 1: guys have struggled to be here the last three years.

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Speaker 2: Big game.

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Speaker 1: They're three and oh this could have implications. We saw

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Speaker 1: how it did you know two years ago at the

484
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Speaker 1: end of the year. How big of a game is this?

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Speaker 1: What's what's the quick scolary report on that offense?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's a it's a it's a big

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Speaker 2: game for us.

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Speaker 4: I mean, but we're in a new team, so you know,

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Speaker 4: you can't you can't really think about the past. It's

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Speaker 4: one team. But uh, I mean, we know what we

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Speaker 4: gotta do. They got a great running back, we got

492
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Speaker 4: a great quarterback. Got to keep the QB in the pocket,

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Speaker 4: gotta win on one on ones, and got to stop

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Speaker 4: the run. I think it always starts with stopping the run. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: so we can see let the ball fly, but stop

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Speaker 4: the run like we've been doing and just handle business

497
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Speaker 4: up front.

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Speaker 1: Players always like that by a week to be somewhere

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the season. But is this one

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Speaker 1: after after this week week five? Is that hitting you guys?

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Speaker 1: Maybe at a pretty good time. What about you personally?

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Speaker 1: You're looking forward to kind of just the week off

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Speaker 1: week five and you get your feed up. Oh you

504
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Speaker 1: don't like it?

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Speaker 4: No, no, because I mean for the most part, you know,

506
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Speaker 4: some guys have heard. But we're fresh, you know, we're practicing.

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Speaker 4: Nobody's really tired of practicing. Yet it's not week eight,

508
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Speaker 4: it's not week ten days yet exactly. In my opinion,

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Speaker 4: this is terrible. It's not where you want to break.

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Speaker 4: You know, we just we just started playing football. You know,

511
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Speaker 4: this is game four. You know, it's just it's going.

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Speaker 1: To be a long stretch afterwards.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it'll be a long stretched bodies feeling good. So

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Speaker 4: I don't like it. I didn't even know the NFL

515
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Speaker 4: did this. Personally, I think it's a terrible setup. But

516
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Speaker 4: it is what it is. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: At the end of the day, we take the bye week,

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Speaker 4: we get healthy, we feel good, we come back.

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Speaker 1: Bone win this game, win a couple in a row.

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Speaker 1: Go enjoy yourself, get even more healthy than go. On

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Speaker 1: the long run, it should be a fun atmosphere on

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Speaker 1: Sunday you are playing some awesome football right now.

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Speaker 6: Man, Glad.

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Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite stories of everybody in that

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Speaker 1: locker room for what you went through, how your career

526
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Speaker 1: is almost done, to battle your way back and to

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Speaker 1: be playing the kind of football that you're playing right now.

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Speaker 1: That's certainly a compliment to your work ethic, to who

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Speaker 1: you are, and you are playing some great football right now.

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Speaker 1: Keep it up, man, keep it up, and we'll have

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Speaker 1: John Boyle with everything on Seattle coming up next. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the twenty in the Huddle podcast. I am

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Speaker 1: very happy to off minute. John Boyle, the senior writer

534
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Speaker 1: for the Seahawks, does a great job covering everything Seattle.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me, John, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 6: Hey, thanks for having me. Tim happy to do it all.

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Speaker 1: Right, let's start right here, because injuries are always, you know,

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Speaker 1: a huge part of every game. Obviously, the Lions are

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Speaker 1: dealing with some. They've already ruled out all pro center

540
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Speaker 1: Frank Ragnow for Monday Night. I'm sure Seattle defenders, especially

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Speaker 1: those guys up front, aren't too shaken up about that one.

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Speaker 1: But how is Seattle injury wise going into this this

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Speaker 1: matchup Monday Night? A huge one against two two really

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Speaker 1: good NFC teams.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, unfortunately for the Seahawks or fortunately for

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Speaker 5: the Lions, two of the guys who might want to

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Speaker 5: take advantage of an injury at center are Yeah, I'd

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Speaker 5: say questionable right now.

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Speaker 6: We don't really know.

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Speaker 5: We haven't seen an injury report yet, but Leonard Williams

551
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Speaker 5: and Byron Murphy, their first round pick this year, both

552
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Speaker 5: left last week's game with injuries. We have not really

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Speaker 5: gotten any update yet. Mike McDonald's mo so far as

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Speaker 5: to be as give as little information about injuries as

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Speaker 5: he's allowed to so, with no injury report when he

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Speaker 5: did his press commence yesterday, we have not heard anything

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Speaker 5: on those two, but the fact that they both left

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Speaker 5: the game and weren't able to return leaves some question

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Speaker 5: mark whether they'll be in there.

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Speaker 6: So that's two of them now.

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Speaker 5: The Seahawks are hoping to maybe get back Channon Nuosu,

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Speaker 5: who's one of their top outside linebackers. He hurt aney

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Speaker 5: in the preseason. He did come back and do a

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Speaker 5: little bit of work yesterday. And then Kenneth Walker, the

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Speaker 5: other big question mark, missed two games with an oblique injury,

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Speaker 5: and they're starting running back and they're hoping he can

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Speaker 5: maybe get back as well.

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Speaker 1: When you talk about Kenneth Walker, you know, how different

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Speaker 1: is that offense between when Sharbono was that Sharbonoal's got

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Speaker 1: a step in there. I think he had ninety one

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Speaker 1: yards last week, you know, pretty productive performance. How are

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Speaker 1: they different? Does the offense change it all with one

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Speaker 1: or the other? They still do the same kind of things.

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Speaker 5: You know, a lot of what they do, you know,

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Speaker 5: schematically will look the same, but the big different Like

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Speaker 5: sharbon is a really good player, like you said, he

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Speaker 5: had ninety one yards last week, two touchdowns, but he's

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Speaker 5: more of a physical downhill guy. You know, a lot

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Speaker 5: of that yard which came late in the game, as

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Speaker 5: you know, you hope when you have a physical running

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Speaker 5: game you can kind of wear on teams. His last

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Speaker 5: three runs of the game went for like thirteen, eleven

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Speaker 5: and ten yards, so finished really strong. The biggest factor

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Speaker 5: that I'm sorry, Ken Walker gives you is he's going

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Speaker 5: to be able to maybe make more out of a

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Speaker 5: play when it's not there, you know, if it's not

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Speaker 5: blocked up right.

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Speaker 6: Like he's just such an elusive player.

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Speaker 5: You know, I'm sure some of your fans might have

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Speaker 5: seen him play at Michigan State, and he can just

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Speaker 5: do some things where a play that another running back

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Speaker 5: might not get. You know, he'll get a couple of

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Speaker 5: yards and run into some defenders. Ken Walker is going

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Speaker 5: to make some dudes miss and just do something wild.

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Speaker 5: So you know, sometimes that can backfire you. Sometimes there's

596
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Speaker 5: you know, some negative players that come with that. But

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Speaker 5: he's a little better at making something out of nothing,

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Speaker 5: which you know, the Seahawks offensive line has not been

599
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Speaker 5: nearly as bad as people want to make it out

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Speaker 5: to you, but they have struggled with, you know, being consistent.

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Speaker 5: And you know, he's maybe gonna if he does get back,

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Speaker 5: he might be able to get some yardage that isn't

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Speaker 5: there for another back.

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Speaker 1: You look at the NFC standings right now. You see

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Speaker 1: Minnesota at three and oh, you see Seeattle at three

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Speaker 1: and oh, just really, John, what's been the catalyst for

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Speaker 1: this three and oh start for this team? Some would say, yes,

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Speaker 1: you faceded on Miami team without two uh Bo Nicks

609
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Speaker 1: his first star, but look, you can only play the

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Speaker 1: people that in front of you, and you need to

611
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Speaker 1: go and win those games. And Seattle has done that

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Speaker 1: week in week out, they've looked pretty good doing it.

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Speaker 1: What's been the catalyst in your opinion to this three

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Speaker 1: and I'll start for them.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it starts with their defense, which you know,

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Speaker 5: to your point, they haven't faced an offense like the

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Speaker 5: Lions yet, they haven't faced the quarterback as good as

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Speaker 5: Jared Goff yet. When the schedule came out, we thought

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Speaker 5: that Miami game would be the first big test, but then,

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Speaker 5: unfortun only two got hurt. So but you know, regardless

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Speaker 5: of who they're playing, I mean, we've seen backup quarterbacks

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Speaker 5: around the league and against Seattle in past years come

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Speaker 5: in and have good games. So they did what you

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Speaker 5: should do. You know, they help them to a field goal.

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Speaker 5: They played awesome in that game. They played really well

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Speaker 5: in the previous two games as well. I think I

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Speaker 5: saw stat they're the first team since the nineteen seventy

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Speaker 5: nine Steelers to hold three straight teams under one hundred

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Speaker 5: and fifty receiving yards and win all three games. So

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Speaker 5: they're they're I mean, their pass defense has not been

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Speaker 5: tested like it will be this week, but it's been phenomenal.

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Speaker 6: The pass rush has been really good.

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Speaker 5: I mean, everything you hope Mike McDonald would bring to

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Speaker 5: a defense they've done so far.

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Speaker 6: Now is kind of the first real big test of it.

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Speaker 5: But that's been the cows and then Gino Smith has

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Speaker 5: been you know, I'm not sure the line has not

638
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Speaker 5: been at its best yet. There's been too much pressure,

639
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Speaker 5: too many penalties, and Gino Smith without a real consistent

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Speaker 5: running game. They're on their third option at right tackle

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Speaker 5: right now, and he's been pretty phenomenal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's I know one aspect that that Detroit

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Speaker 1: is is obviously looking and knowing that they have to

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Speaker 1: go in this game to try to stop Dan Campbell

645
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Speaker 1: even talked about it on Thursday about, you know, we

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Speaker 1: have to outdo the explosives in this game because that

647
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Speaker 1: passing a take attack and DK Metcalf and look, we've

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Speaker 1: seen it over the years. Seattle teams come in here.

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Speaker 1: You look at Gino last year, I think it was

650
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Speaker 1: three hundred and twenty three yards and two touchdowns, one

651
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Speaker 1: hundred and sixteen passer rating. He's looked great, and it'll

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Speaker 1: this one will be interesting for Detroit because I think

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Speaker 1: part of their offseason the big approach was, look, we've

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Speaker 1: got to try to limit the big plays in the

655
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Speaker 1: pass game that was their achilles heel last year, Seattle

656
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Speaker 1: exposed it. A lot of teams down this tretch exposed it.

657
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Speaker 1: You've got a brand new cornerback duo here. You've got

658
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Speaker 1: Brian Branch now playing safety along with Kirby. Joseph is

659
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Speaker 1: what's been so good about that Seattle passing attack and

660
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Speaker 1: Geno Smith that Detroit has talked about it this week.

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Speaker 1: That's number one. That's what we have to stop. Going

662
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 1: into this game. Easier said than done when when you're

663
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Speaker 1: facing DK Metcalf and them, just wow, why have they

664
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Speaker 1: been so good? It seems like Gene it was just

665
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: kind of really clicking on all cylinders right now.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he's I think the new offensive coordinator,

667
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 5: Ryan Grebb, who came over from the University of Washington.

668
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 5: I think what he's doing schematically suits Gino Smith very well.

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Speaker 5: It's it's been so far a nice mix of you know,

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Speaker 5: they've been able to use the short path, quick passing

671
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 5: game when they need it. New England they couldn't really

672
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Speaker 5: run the ball very well, so they essentially turned short

673
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 5: passes to Jackson Smith and jig but into their running game,

674
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Speaker 5: and then they compliment that with some of the explosive

675
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 5: stuff to DK Metcalf especially, but really all three of

676
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Speaker 5: those guys, that that trio of Tyler Lockett, Smith and

677
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Speaker 5: jig But and Metcalf is just such a really dynamic trio.

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Speaker 5: And then I just think, you know, a lot of

679
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Speaker 5: the credit goes to the way Geno Smith is playing

680
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 5: right now the whole all of training camp.

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Speaker 6: He just looks so sharp.

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Speaker 5: You know, he's had a couple turnovers that aren't entirely

683
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 5: his fault, but he maybe hasn't made the best decision

684
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 5: under pressure, things like that brown wing. He's getting hit,

685
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 5: so he wants to clean that up. But otherwise he's

686
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 5: been about as good as possible. So it's just I

687
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Speaker 5: think it's kind of a nice fit of player and

688
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Speaker 5: scheme and then some great weapons around him as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, to your point, I think that's the best receiving

690
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Speaker 1: trio in football. And you can't convince me otherwise with

691
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Speaker 1: with with what they do and how they can beat

692
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Speaker 1: you in really three different ways. When defensively, when you

693
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Speaker 1: when you get to Tarik Wollen and Devin Witherspoon, is

694
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Speaker 1: that one of the better cornerback combos do you think

695
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Speaker 1: in this league?

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Speaker 6: I yeah, I think definitely.

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Speaker 5: It's funny this year so far, they haven't really been

698
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 5: tested that much, so you know, statistically, I've been a

699
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 5: lot of chances for takeaways and pass breakups because I mean,

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Speaker 5: a they've just been covering stuff so well that people

701
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 5: aren't testing it. You know, if you look at any

702
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 5: advanced mentrics that just show like coverage or pass the

703
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Speaker 5: rating when targeted.

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Speaker 6: Those guys have been awesome.

705
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Speaker 5: But you know, Reek did get a pick in the

706
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Speaker 5: first game, but otherwise they're not getting tested that much.

707
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 5: But that those two and then also the name you

708
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 5: didn't say, but the third guy there is Trey Brown,

709
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 5: who Lions fans might remember from ending Jared Goff's interceptionalist

710
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 5: streak last year with the pick six. So yeah, that

711
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 5: that group is really talented. Devin Witherspoon has just been

712
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 5: phenomenal from the day he got here last year. And

713
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 5: again he hasn't gotten the chances to really do a

714
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 5: lot statistically yet just because teams aren't bringing the ball

715
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Speaker 5: his way. But he's such a big catalyst for that defense.

716
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Speaker 5: He can blet, he can play, you know, they use

717
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 5: him at nickel and outside. He's he's such an amic player. So, yeah,

718
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Speaker 5: that cornerback group. You know, we just talked about the

719
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Speaker 5: receiving trio. I would put that cornerback right up there

720
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Speaker 5: with you know, receiver is probably one of the deepest

721
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 5: and most talented position groups on this team.

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Speaker 1: You know, we've talked about a lot of names, a

723
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: lot of big names from that Seattle team. Is there

724
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Speaker 1: anybody maybe who Lions fans might not recognize, you know

725
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: when when when they first hear his name, but but

726
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: could be a guy that has an impact on that

727
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: game Monday night. Maybe a guy who's been playing some

728
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: pretty good football and been one of the reasons why

729
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Speaker 1: Seattle's on that hot start too.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, i'd say, you know, on both sides of the ball.

731
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Speaker 5: One of the new safeties they signed free agency here,

732
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Speaker 5: Rayshawn Jenkins, you know, a veteran guy has been a

733
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Speaker 5: starter but hasn't necessarily been a big name, and he's.

734
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Speaker 6: Been really good.

735
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Speaker 5: You know, one of the best things this defense has

736
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Speaker 5: done so far is like if a team's trying to

737
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,479
Speaker 5: check it down a short passing game, they've just been

738
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Speaker 5: flying to the ball and snuffing things out with good

739
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Speaker 5: tackling and ray Sewn Jenkins and just one of those

740
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 5: safeties that comes flying downhill and makes plays. So he's

741
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Speaker 5: been really good, maybe better than I think a lot

742
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Speaker 5: of X fans. They didn't know who he was when

743
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Speaker 5: he got here. He wasn't again he was the starter,

744
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 5: but not a huge name. And then other side of

745
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 5: the ball, especially with this matchup Stone Forsyth. He's their

746
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 5: right tackle right now because of injuries. Two guys ahead

747
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Speaker 5: of him are hurt and a line fans know, right

748
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Speaker 5: tackles have their handful against the lines. I think I

749
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Speaker 5: went back and watched all four and a half sacks

750
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Speaker 5: that Aiden Hetchson had had the other week. We're off

751
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 5: the right side or the left side of the defense,

752
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 5: right side of the line. So you know, one thing

753
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Speaker 5: Stone has going for him is he came in last

754
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 5: years had both their tackles hurt in Week one, right

755
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Speaker 5: before they went to Detroit, so they had to put

756
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Speaker 5: backups into both tackle spots, and he started left tackle

757
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 5: in that game but played pretty well. And he's been

758
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Speaker 5: playing since coming He's come in since they they had

759
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Speaker 5: an injury right tackle in the opener, so he's basically

760
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 5: played two and a half games this year and just

761
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Speaker 5: kind of building that confidence so they know it's gonna

762
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 5: be tough. But you know that those tackles did a

763
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 5: good job last year in tough circumstances, and I think

764
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Speaker 5: they can take a little confidence from that, you know

765
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Speaker 5: when you.

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Speaker 1: Look at Detroit. Yeah, obviously we talked about it. You

767
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: know that Seattle defense is going to be tested, especially

768
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Speaker 1: in the air, more than they have been in the

769
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Speaker 1: previous three weeks in this one. Obviously. You know Detroit

770
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: wants to run the football hundred and eighty eight yards

771
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Speaker 1: against the Cardinals last year and then defensively their top

772
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Speaker 1: five in league stopping the run. So from your opinion,

773
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Speaker 1: what's what's the big key for this game for Seattle?

774
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Speaker 1: Go on the road, a tough environment, a national stage,

775
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: Monday night football, and come away with a win. What

776
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Speaker 1: do they have to do? In John Boyle's opinion.

777
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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's funny, we just talked about this.

778
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 5: I record a podcast that we do on our side

779
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 5: of it, and kind of the same topic. Was like

780
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Speaker 5: you always say, you know, go on the road, establish

781
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 5: the run, and yet I go back and look at

782
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 5: how Seahawks won in Detroit each the last two years,

783
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 5: and it was by Geno Smith just playing his ass

784
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 5: off and throwing for three hundred some yard. So yes,

785
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 5: they want to run the game, run the ball. But

786
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Speaker 5: to me, it's if they can protect Geno Smith a

787
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 5: little bit and give him some time to get the

788
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 5: ball to those weapons. That's a big key on offense

789
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 5: and then defensively, I want to see him get some

790
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 5: takeaway as I saw.

791
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Speaker 6: You know, Detroit.

792
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 5: They've been sloppy with the ball, but four turnovers in

793
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 5: three games, so there's been some opportunity. And of all

794
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 5: the things the Seahawks defense has done well, they have

795
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 5: not had a lot of takeaways yet, and part of

796
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 5: that's been teams aren't really testing them much. But i'd

797
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 5: love to see, you know, from a Seahawks standpoint, I

798
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 5: think if they can get the ball away from Detroit,

799
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Speaker 5: because look, you're not gonna stop Detroit as easily as

800
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Speaker 5: you stopped the two lists Miami Dolphins or the Patriots

801
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 5: with Jacoby Brissette. Like, it's a different test. So I

802
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 5: think the way you can maybe make a difference on

803
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 5: the road in tough environment is to get a takeaway

804
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 5: or two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it should be a great matchup. Obviously, a great

806
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Speaker 1: atmosphere Monday night in Detroit, John, I appreciate you taking

807
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Speaker 1: the time so much great stuff. As always, safe light

808
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: home and for all you at home. Be sure to

809
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Speaker 1: check out the twenty Hot twenty minue in the Huddle

810
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: podcast next week as well.

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Speaker 6: Right, thanks Tim, thanks for me