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Speaker 1: Now that the calendar has turned to April, the focus

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Speaker 1: turns to the drafts. Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show,

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Speaker 1: Danny Surrek joins me for not even a month into

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Speaker 1: free agency, and already you can see the slowdown in

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Speaker 1: player signings across the league, not just the Cardinals, who

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Speaker 1: do still have plenty of needs. Edge Rusher perhaps being

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Speaker 1: the biggest though with Jonathan Gannon had to say recently

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Speaker 1: Cover two, episode seven forty in April Fool's Day free

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Speaker 1: episode and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 1: Go to Baker, What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: He's at a ten, half of five. He's it again?

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Speaker 1: So more? Are you magic? Wow?

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Speaker 2: Here's Craig Graeler.

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Speaker 1: April Fool's Day. Are we in or are we out there? Well?

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Speaker 3: I'm an adult, so I'm out now.

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Speaker 1: You didn't do any anything younger? Or is it so?

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Speaker 1: You think this is a young person's holiday, despite what

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Speaker 1: I saw or attempted to see on social media all

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Speaker 1: day long.

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Speaker 3: What are you seeing on social media?

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Speaker 1: Okay, the Seattle Seahawks, our team within the division.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, that's different. I was like a team's having.

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Speaker 1: Fun, Yeah, having fun and announcing that their mascot had

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Speaker 3: I mean, I guess I'm fine with like a little prank,

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Speaker 3: but I don't know. It's a silly holiday. What do

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Speaker 1: Did you participate any again?

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Speaker 3: I'm an adult, so no, no, not now. As a kid.

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Speaker 1: Sure, as a kid before you became an adult.

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Speaker 3: Sure had a little fun, I'm sure.

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Speaker 1: But not anymore you're not grown it.

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Speaker 3: for people to be dumb. Okay, I just sti't think

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Speaker 1: It's not a holiday. It's just I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: people are ready for it. Anything. Now that you say

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Speaker 3: And then what's their response? Well that was dumb. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Trying to think the last good prank on April Fools Day.

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Speaker 1: I don't even I don't even know.

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Speaker 1: no fooling here. On Cardinals Cover two, presented by Hundai,

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Speaker 1: The calendar has shifted from March to April, fourth week

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Speaker 1: of free agency. We're also less than four weeks until

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Speaker 1: the draft, and it is interesting because things have gone

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Speaker 1: Not that they're looking or discussing, It just seems a

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Speaker 1: Urban at the annual league meeting, quote, will we wait

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Speaker 1: We are still actively talking to players out there. End quote.

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Speaker 1: Could have also gone the trade market, which the Jets

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Speaker 1: just one year. Reddick was a name that we've discussed

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Speaker 1: I agree, And then you hope that those players that

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Speaker 3: Opportunity, right, But not to sound, I mean that's what

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Speaker 1: Know that those opportunities you get are going to be limited,

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Speaker 3: Well that's my rebuttal to you of saying of what

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Speaker 1: Maybe not with a less of rotation, but with the production,

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Speaker 1: there was not enough production from those guys. Despite the rotation.

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Speaker 1: You should have seen more production, is what I'm getting.

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Speaker 1: No, some guys do operate better if you have more opportunities,

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Speaker 1: Those numbers, those snaps might have increased if Zavion or

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Speaker 3: Of that zone and learning from your mistakes the same way.

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Speaker 1: Forty one tackles three and a half sacks for Zavon

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Speaker 1: Talking about Zavon as far as rushing, dropping into coverage,

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Speaker 3: physical attributes that he has. He has the size and

436
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 3: the strength and the physicalities to succeed at this position.

437
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 3: He has the intelligence absolutely. I think Xavin's just very

438
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 3: detail oriented and he's very meticulous in what he does.

439
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 3: And you can pick that up just talking to him

440
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 3: and being around him and watching him practice and stay

441
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 3: late after practice and getting one on one reps with

442
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Speaker 3: his position coach. I would just like to see the

443
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 3: trust in himself to not be in his head so much,

444
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 3: which is what we have consistently heard from coaching staffs,

445
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 3: to really just go out there and let it rip

446
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 3: and do what he does and see what we get

447
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 3: from that. And I think if you have a veteran

448
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 3: or at least you know, some sort of monster on

449
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 3: the other end of him, that might take some of

450
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 3: the pressure off and he will be able to shine

451
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,880
Speaker 3: and what the staff is asking for him asking of him.

452
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Speaker 1: Pro Football Reference also had Collins listed with the second

453
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 1: most hurries and pressures. Again that it's a stat that

454
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: depending on which team measures those differently, but are you

455
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: doing enough to affect the opposing quarterback? And I just

456
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 1: overall this Cardinals team a year ago didn't do enough.

457
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 1: Now we always hear rush, cover, cover, rush. Was it

458
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 1: the rush that was affecting the cover where the Cardinals

459
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 1: had one of the higher completion percentages against them as

460
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Speaker 1: a defense, or was it the coverage units weren't doing

461
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Speaker 1: their job allowing that quarterback to have or hold onto

462
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: the ball so much that the defense, as even Collins

463
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Speaker 1: and a b jo Asiola could get to the quarterback

464
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Speaker 1: and increase those sack totals.

465
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Speaker 3: Both the Cardinals were bad against the run. They were

466
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 3: bad against the pass. I don't know that it would

467
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 3: be easy to really decipher which one it was from

468
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 3: last year. You finish what twenty ninth and passing defense

469
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 3: thirty second and run neither are great, So I yes,

470
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 3: they absolutely go hand in hand. I can't sit here

471
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 3: and tell you whether it was more the run defense

472
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 3: and more of the pass defense that led to the

473
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 3: performance overall the defense, because individually they were both bad.

474
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Speaker 1: Has to get a heck of a lot better on

475
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: that front seven. Whether that happens, well, we've already seen

476
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: it on the defensive line, but more on the way

477
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Speaker 1: perhaps with the draft. The other position offensively that hasn't

478
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 1: really been touched outside of the addition of Chris Moore

479
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: is wide receiver right now? Well, you go in with

480
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: what Michael Wilson, Greg Dortch and Zach Pascal. You had

481
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Speaker 1: Chris Moore, You've got a handful of other players on

482
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Speaker 1: the team. Are you banking on finding that number one

483
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Speaker 1: wide receiver at the end of this month?

484
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Speaker 3: Absolutely?

485
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: So, you're not in the camp of a trade down.

486
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 3: I didn't say that, Okay.

487
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: You still feel even if it's not at four, eleven.

488
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 3: Twelve, I'm not saying that.

489
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Speaker 1: Okay, how far are you willing to go or are

490
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Speaker 1: you not willing to go down at all?

491
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Speaker 3: No, I'd be willing to trade down for a true

492
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 3: from what we've seen from analysts and what people are projecting,

493
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 3: a true number one. I feel really comfortable going down

494
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 3: to six with New York. Who's at eight? Is that Denver?

495
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: Eight is the Falcons? Denver's twelve, Vikings thirteen eleven? Sorry,

496
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: Raiders are thirteen?

497
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 3: To go down to eleven, twelve or thirteen, assuming you're

498
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Speaker 3: making a trade with a team who wants to get

499
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 3: a franchise quarterback in this draft, I wouldn't go into

500
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 3: that trade expecting to get one of the top three receivers.

501
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 3: There are other receivers I would feel comfortable with. I

502
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 3: think if I'm trading down to eleven, twelve, or thirteen,

503
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 3: I am shifting my my philosophy, not my philosophy, maybe

504
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 3: my plan, a little bit of not being set on

505
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 3: a wide receiver, maybe taking a tackle, maybe taking one

506
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 3: of the top interior defensive linemen more likely a tackle

507
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 3: or cornerback if they feel really high on one of

508
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 3: these top two cornerbacks and a draft that does not

509
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 3: have a lot of cornerback depth. And then addressing wide

510
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 3: receiver at twenty seven or the very top of round two.

511
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 3: And then kind of if you take twenty seven with

512
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 3: a wide receiver, addressing an offensive lineman at the top

513
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 3: of round two kind of interchangeable there. So it's kind

514
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 3: of all of the above. I would absolutely love the

515
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 3: idea of taking a top receiver at four. I would

516
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 3: be willing to trade down and still take a wide receiver,

517
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 3: and I'd also be willing to trade down and open

518
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 3: up my mind to other possibilities. However, if you're asking

519
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 3: what I'd prefer, I'd love to stay it four or

520
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 3: I'd love to go no further than six to guarantee

521
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 3: a top receiver.

522
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: After the second meeting against the forty nine ers, I

523
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: was adamant this team won, needed a pass rush and

524
00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: one be a number one wide receiver. Haven't really answered

525
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: either one of those questions yet here as we speak

526
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: on April first. But if I was to ask you,

527
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: name me the number one wide receiver in the league,

528
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: who you feel is the best wide receiver in the

529
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 1: league is who?

530
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 3: Maybe A Justin Jefferson.

531
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: You know where he was selected.

532
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 3: I know you feel this way, Craig, you don't think

533
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 3: it's worth the rest to take a wide receiver at

534
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 3: the top of the draft. I'm just saying it's very

535
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 3: old school, but that's okay.

536
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson was a twenty second overall pick, and I'm

537
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: in agreement. If he's not the best wide receiver in

538
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: the league, he's one of the best. There is no

539
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: guarantee that any of these three Marvin moleik Rome, none

540
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: of them, maybe all of them. I just I don't know.

541
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Speaker 1: I am comfortable though, in whatever Manny Austin Ford decides

542
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: to do. I would love to see if Marvin Harrison

543
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: Junior was here. Roma Doonze, I don't want to call

544
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: you out.

545
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 3: But that's so contradictory. You don't want to take a

546
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 3: wide receiver at the top of the draft because of

547
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 3: the risk, But then a draft Marvin Harris, I'm.

548
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: Not saying that there's a risk. I'm saying you can

549
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: find wide receiver elsewhere, and history shows that you can.

550
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 3: I'm that that is still being said. Someone like a

551
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 3: Brian Thomas junior out of LSU still a top receiver

552
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 3: and if he were in probably any other recent draft class,

553
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 3: would be getting higher remarks if he were not in

554
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 3: a draft class with what's been said as arguably three

555
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 3: of the best receivers entering a draft in a very

556
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 3: long time. Every year is different, so yes and years

557
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 3: past it might be it might not be worth it

558
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 3: of taking a wide receiver in the top ten, definitely

559
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 3: fourth overall, because you can still get other good receivers.

560
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 3: This year feels different, and what analysts are saying after

561
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 3: watching film and seeing workouts and the measurements that some

562
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 3: of these top receivers, this trio of top receivers is

563
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 3: so good that they would warrant all being taken in

564
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 3: the top six or eight picks. So while I understand

565
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 3: the philosophy of looking at where Justin Jefferson was drafted.

566
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 3: That's not this draft. The reality is, to a certain extent,

567
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 3: every draft is unique. Yes, there are those prime positions. Yes,

568
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 3: addressing the trenches is incredibly important. With these three specific receivers,

569
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 3: that's what makes it unique and different in this draft class.

570
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 3: And then after those three, I'm not saying you would

571
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 3: take someone like a Brian Thomas with the eighth overall pick.

572
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 3: That's not what anybody's saying. I didn't mean to call

573
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 3: you out, so very contradictory of I don't want to

574
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 3: take a wide receiver top of the draft because you

575
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 3: can get one later. But if Monti Austin for it

576
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 3: takes Marvin Harrison Junior or four, I'm happy with it.

577
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: No, it's trusting those that watch the film, and it's

578
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: not just watching the film, because all we see is highlights.

579
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: That's why the fan base here will go out of

580
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: their minds if Marvin Harrison Junior not the pick. But

581
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: and I'll put myself with the fans. As far as

582
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: level of knowledge about the player or any player, that's

583
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: just a small piece what you watch on film. I

584
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: don't know what these players are like the individual As

585
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: Jonathan Gannon likes to say, will they pay the price

586
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: of admission? Because it's more than just catching the ball.

587
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: It's more than just getting open and catching the ball.

588
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,479
Speaker 1: As Gannon likes to say, with the wide receiver position,

589
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: can they block? Are they team first? We have no

590
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: way of knowing any of this, and I guarantee you

591
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: not all those three wide receivers are going to be

592
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: all pros hall of famers.

593
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 3: No one is saying that. I'm not saying here, Okay,

594
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 3: I'm not sitting here saying all three are guaranteed Hall

595
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 3: of famers.

596
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: If you look and what you read, everyone top three,

597
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: number one in their individual classes. So you just said it.

598
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: They just so happen to fall within the same draft

599
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: class this year. But the way everyone is talking, everyone

600
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: is talking up these players to where if they are

601
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: not Hall of famers, it's a failure and no one

602
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: knows that.

603
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 3: Okay, well, I guess I'm not seeing that because I

604
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 3: would never sit here and say that if a draft

605
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 3: pick is not a Hall of Famer, it's a failure

606
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 3: for somebody who has never touched an NFL field.

607
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: No, the generational talents and the way that these three

608
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: have been talked up that they cannot fail. It goes back.

609
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: This is more, This is longer ago, but it's that

610
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf all. You can't go wrong

611
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: with either one of them. All the Colts found success,

612
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: Chargers didn't.

613
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, but hindsight, it's always twenty twenty.

614
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we're gonna be talking about a different group

615
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: of players a year from now that you can't miss

616
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: with X player or this position group because every draft

617
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: class is unique, and yet it's stocked at wide receiver,

618
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: it's stocked at offensive tackle. But we have no way

619
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: of knowing how these players are going to be.

620
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 3: It's just a projection for every position. They're not just

621
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 3: wide receiver.

622
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: But why is this position group this year talks so

623
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: highly when we've yet to see them do anything.

624
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 3: I'm confused because that's every position that every player in

625
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 3: the draft that's being talked about is we haven't seen

626
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 3: them do anything. Why is it just wide receiver?

627
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: This wide receiver this year has been more talked about. Yes,

628
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: receiver class.

629
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 3: The talent is very high for these for these wide receivers.

630
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 3: When you have the first group of how you would

631
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 3: classify that.

632
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: I just don't like the talk. It seems more definite

633
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: than a projection.

634
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 3: I feel like that happens every year. It's typically just

635
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 3: a quarterback. It just so happens that there are a

636
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 3: lot of good wide receivers, and it seems like the

637
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 3: last couple of months the gap between them has closed.

638
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: Be Marvin's no longer head and shoulders, everyone else has

639
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: caught up or people are seeing more reading more to

640
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: where it's now. Maybe Marvin wasn't so high in that Hindercram,

641
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: not at all.

642
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 3: I've seen Roma Dunday and the lak neighbors close the

643
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,919
Speaker 3: gap on the Okay, and then.

644
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: You talk about the quarterback position, I guarantee you that

645
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: all three quarterbacks you want to throw in JJ McCarthy,

646
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: all four, none of them, not all four are going

647
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: to hit.

648
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that's every year.

649
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 1: But the way, and maybe it's.

650
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 3: Just me, you're sounding like a hater.

651
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm just the way that this draft

652
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: talk is has become. And I think because there's so

653
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: much time between the end of the season and the draft,

654
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: that these players you get elevated so high and then

655
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden there's a major fall.

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Speaker 3: What else is everyone going to talk about from the

657
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Speaker 3: end of the season to the draft, what three four

658
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Speaker 3: months later. I mean, every draft pick is a risk.

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Speaker 3: Greater risks absolutely, of course if you're picking somebody fourth overall,

660
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Speaker 3: that's honestly every position. I'm not just calling you out.

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Speaker 3: It just feels very old school that it's like, oh,

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Speaker 3: it's too much of a risk if we take that

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Speaker 3: on a position player, like a wide receiver. But if

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Speaker 3: we draft an offensive tackle at four and they don't

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Speaker 3: pan out to be you know, a pillar for the

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Speaker 3: next ten years, well that's okay, Like we tried. Like

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Speaker 3: it feels very like intentional of like the difference being

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Speaker 3: it's a position player rather than somebody in the trenches,

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Speaker 3: which is a typical fourth round pick, typically a quarterback

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Speaker 3: or you know, a pass rusher or an offense tackle.

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Speaker 3: But the fact that it's a position player, everyone's all, oh,

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Speaker 3: is it worth the risk? Well, every pick is a risk.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm not doubting any of that. I just I

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Speaker 1: just think the conversation has gotten so loud at wide

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Speaker 1: receiver and certainly these three quarterbacks you want to throw

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Speaker 1: in McCarthy four. I haven't seen Michael Pennix junior all

677
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, his stock rising based off of his

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Speaker 1: pro day late last week, and none of these guys

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Speaker 1: have done anything since January, no new tape outside of

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Speaker 1: pro days, which is basically flag football without a defense.

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Speaker 1: You're not in pads, there's no one coming after you.

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Speaker 1: You should be good on your pro day. It would

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Speaker 1: be a telling sign if you weren't successful on your

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Speaker 1: Pro day. I'm just more cautious when it comes to

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Speaker 1: these players and what I've read, and I'm like, I'm

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Speaker 1: not willing to sit here and say, all right, you

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Speaker 1: take that player and you've got ten twelve years all pro.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you can do that with any one

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Speaker 1: of these players, regardless of position. And too many people

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Speaker 1: out there are doing that to these kids, agreed.

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Speaker 3: I mean that happens every year, though every year you get.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't it just seems a lot louder. Maybe it's because

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals have a top five pick a year ago

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Speaker 1: is Will Anderson with the Cardinals.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, that's what I'm confused about, is the frustration

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Speaker 3: of all this loud talk and hyping up players when

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Speaker 3: this is what happens every year this time of year

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Speaker 3: heading into the draft. It's just maybe it's not one

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Speaker 3: position group outside of quarterbacks like it is this year.

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Speaker 1: I still feel, again, given one year of a resume,

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Speaker 1: that the Cardinals will trade down from number four, and

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Speaker 1: it won't happen before the draft. It will happen on

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Speaker 1: draft day. That's how I it's my feeling right now

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Speaker 1: as we speak on April first, And of course if

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Speaker 1: that happens, that's now three straight years for you on

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Speaker 1: draft Day in which the Cardinals do not hang on

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Speaker 1: to their initial first round pick.

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Speaker 3: I could see a trade happening with awesome for it,

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Speaker 3: for sure. I mean, they have the leverage. There are

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Speaker 3: plenty of teams below them that desperately need a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Is there a price that you're not willing to pay

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Speaker 1: or accept as far as an offer for that fourth

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Speaker 1: pick or what would it take for you to say,

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Speaker 1: all right, do it or no, it's not enough to

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Speaker 1: get me off in number four.

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Speaker 3: Depends how low I'm trading to six, four to six,

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Speaker 3: keeping twenty seven for an additional Well, if you know

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Speaker 3: they're taking fourth, yeah, if you know that. I mean

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Speaker 3: the Cardinals have their own system of figuring out, you know,

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Speaker 3: statistically and looking at the numbers, what trade is worth

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Speaker 3: it for them? And how do they come out on top?

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Speaker 3: You probably won't get an additional first round pick, only

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Speaker 3: moving down two spots, so yeah, probably a second and

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Speaker 3: a third.

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Speaker 1: You need to see or to hear what the package

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Speaker 1: is before you'd be saying, all right, I'm willing to

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Speaker 1: go to eleven, twelve or thirteen.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. If I'm going to eleven, twelve and thirteen, I'm

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Speaker 3: getting at least one future first round pick.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I think you need more. I think you need

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Speaker 1: at least two, maybe even a three. And don't and

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Speaker 1: remember a swap of first round picks is not.

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Speaker 3: A first round No, I'm not saying that you think

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Speaker 3: someone like Minnesota would give you a first round pick

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Speaker 3: for twenty five, twenty six, and twenty No, no, no, because.

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Speaker 1: It's a swap, so that doesn't count. Okay, two extra

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Speaker 1: first round picks. Plus, it's what the forty nine ers

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Speaker 1: did when they moved up to get Trey Lance. You swapped,

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Speaker 1: plus it was a future to future first an additional

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Speaker 1: third round pick. So it's not no, no, no no, because

741
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Speaker 1: people say that all the time. But you're not getting

742
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Speaker 1: a third first round pick, so it's it's got to

743
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Speaker 1: be at least two first round picks, and then some

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Speaker 1: at least for me to drop.

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Speaker 3: Down eleven far for someone to get a franchise quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And then you roll the dice like the Cardinals did

747
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Speaker 1: a year ago with the Texans. You hope that that

748
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Speaker 1: history doesn't repeat itself and you have a higher pick

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Speaker 1: as opposed to pick twenty seven.

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Speaker 3: Now that's a possibility, and I don't.

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Speaker 1: Think history should dissway many as far as well. It

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Speaker 1: didn't work a year go, I can't do it this year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 1: C J.

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Speaker 3: Strau just went off.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's I don't think that's fair based

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Speaker 1: off past history leading to future decisions.

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Speaker 3: Agreed.

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Speaker 1: I think everything has to be the same. By the way.

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Speaker 1: Charles Davis, who we had a chance to speak with

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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis at the scouting combine his second mock drafts

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Speaker 1: no Trades, quarterbacks go one, two and three, Caleb Williams,

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Speaker 1: Drake May, Jaden Daniels, Marvin Harrison Junior to the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: at four. Then he had Malik Neighbors, rom Madouonze go

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Speaker 1: five and six to the Chargers and Giants, respectively. A

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Speaker 1: new name at number twenty seven, Center out of West

767
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Speaker 1: Virginia Zach Frasier six three three ten second center off

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Speaker 1: the board, someone who does have center experience more than

769
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Speaker 1: thirty starts, just don't know if he's played any interior

770
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Speaker 1: offensive line as far as guard, then you could place

771
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Speaker 1: him on the left side next to Fole if he

772
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Speaker 1: doesn't beat out frole to be your starting center.

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Speaker 3: And it'll be interesting after signing Johanna Williams what the

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Speaker 3: Cardinals are going to do with tackle, because I would

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Speaker 3: think that going into the draft you need to have

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Speaker 3: a good idea at that point of what you're gonna

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Speaker 3: do with Williams or Paris Johnson junior, who's going to

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Speaker 3: play on which side? Are you going to try and

779
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 3: kick one of them inside? And then that's going to

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Speaker 3: give you intel on what you're needing to address in

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Speaker 3: the draft, given you won't see Paris or Williams out

782
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Speaker 3: on the field beforehand. But I think they need to

783
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Speaker 3: have a good idea if they didn't have one set

784
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Speaker 3: by signing Williams of still making that decision, it'll be

785
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Speaker 3: interesting if they take a center. I mean, they need

786
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Speaker 3: guard help, so I would think if they're going to

787
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Speaker 3: take an interior offensive lineman in the first round. It

788
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Speaker 3: would be somebody with versatility who at least has experience

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Speaker 3: at the guard position as well, because that's a pretty

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Speaker 3: big need on the offensive line for Arizona right now.

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Speaker 1: I'm more out to see an offensive lineman, an interior

792
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Speaker 1: offensive lineman as opposed to another tackle at eleven, twelve, thirteen.

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Speaker 1: If you trade down or twenty seven or even the

794
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Speaker 1: already five, it wouldn't shock me. But based off what

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Speaker 1: you said, you're not signing Jonah Williams.

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Speaker 3: For as much as you did two year.

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Speaker 1: Deal, but then after one year gonna say, all right,

798
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Speaker 1: now you're the swing tackle. That doesn't seem to make

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Speaker 1: a whole lot of sense unless someone that they really

800
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: like falls and you're like, Okay, this is just too

801
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: talent of a player to leave on the board and

802
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: we'll figure it out later. Because if Williams is here

803
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: for two years and this guy, this new one you

804
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: brought in, can be a ten year guy, well, then

805
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: all right, play interior and then we'll kick you out.

806
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: I mean to tackle that kick you out of the

807
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Speaker 1: right building.

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Speaker 3: So it'll be interesting to see they have options at

809
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Speaker 3: least figuring out what they want to do a center

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00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:42,919
Speaker 3: would not surprise me though.

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Speaker 1: No as much as fro Holt played, how well he played,

812
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Speaker 1: he's going into his free agent year. You need to

813
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: figure that out well.

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Speaker 3: Also, what does the staff think about John Gaines, who

815
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Speaker 3: missed all season with I believe was an ACL he

816
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Speaker 3: tour in Minnesota of that preseason game last year. That's

817
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 3: a question of where his rehab is and where this

818
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 3: staff and envisions him when it comes to their future.

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Speaker 1: He's kind of gotten forgotten a little bit.

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00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 3: Not by me.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's no, and it's when you're not playing and

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Speaker 1: you're not around, you get forgotten absolutely, And it's up

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Speaker 1: to you, Danny, to sit there and make these My job, guys,

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Speaker 1: make sure they're not forgotten. By the way, the last

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Speaker 1: thing here is, uh, I did a new Bingo card

826
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Speaker 1: because the the the tap on the mic last week

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Speaker 1: or was that two weeks ago? Last week? It earned

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Speaker 1: me a Bingo So good to know. So, by the way,

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Speaker 1: is there are prizes involved in this or just bragging rights?

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Speaker 3: Are you providing prizes? It's not coming out of my paycheck.

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Speaker 1: Uh, I'll uh do an expense sheet for and turn

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Speaker 1: it into Darren.

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Speaker 3: Sure for Cardinals Underground go for it.

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Speaker 1: I'll let you know how that goes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, please do.

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Speaker 1: And on that note, we will put a lid on

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Speaker 1: This edition of Cardinals. Cover two, presented by Hyundai, partner

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Speaker 1: of the Arizona. Cardinals has always special thanks to our

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Speaker 1: executive producer Joe Mamanro our associate producer Cuddie Fincher For

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Speaker 1: Danny surek, I'm preig real, Lou. We'll talk to you

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Speaker 1: next time here on Cardinals Cover two