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Speaker 2: Hello friends, and welcome back to the Broadway smash hit

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Speaker 1: Them to win, but just a better story. I mean

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Speaker 1: I like, you know, I'm biased one hundred percent and

436
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,479
Speaker 1: I like the Niners. It's like, no anti Niner sentiment.

437
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: It's just more like I've seen the Super Bowl. I

438
00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: was there in Miami, you know.

439
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 2: Like words, but yeah, yeah, well I wish I could

440
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 2: say I wasn't anti Niners.

441
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 3: But I am.

442
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: I'm an unbiased journalist here just trying to figure out

443
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: what's going to happen in this game. Now, I want

444
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 2: to talk a little bit about you first, because I

445
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 2: think your your story is fascinating. As I just told

446
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 2: the listeners, you have eighty seven degrees in a variety

447
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 2: in a variety of topics, not including sports, significantly a

448
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 2: Master of Science degree in predictive analysis from Northwestern. Now,

449
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: you were a financial advisor. How did you start to

450
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 2: going to work for the NFL.

451
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: In business school? So when I started business school with

452
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: my finance background, I was, you know, like I'm banking

453
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 1: the whole thing before business school, pretty normal stuff. I

454
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: old email the then CFO of the NFL. His name

455
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: is Anthony Noto. He's now the CEO of SOFI after

456
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: going through like Goldman, NFL, Goldman, Twitter, whatever, Like he's

457
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: he's the freaking man, and he was a linebacker at

458
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: Army if that he has linebacker mentality?

459
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 3: If that correct?

460
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: He I called emailed him because I had read his

461
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: research reports and I really liked him. He was then

462
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: the CFO of the NFL. So when I was kind

463
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: of trying to figure out my way, I was like,

464
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna do my summer internship like all

465
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: you know, cocky NBA kids. You're like, I can go

466
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: back into advestment begging if I went to you. And

467
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: so I emailed him and was like, can I come

468
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: work at the NFL and that, and thus began my

469
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: journey with the NFL and a couple of the projects

470
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: I worked on there from a finance standpoint were a

471
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Speaker 1: seventeen game season, two teams moving to LA. This was

472
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Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, so there was only there were

473
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Speaker 1: no and a failed joint venture between ESPN Classic and

474
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Speaker 1: the NFL Network. It was wild times. I didn't know

475
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: who any of these people were, like yelling at each other,

476
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: I want Wisconsin football and then you know we can't

477
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: pay for it. Was incredible, incredible stuff.

478
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 3: Wow, So you worked on a seventeen game schedule?

479
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, back in two thousand and eight And the cool

480
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: part was I got to talk to the Competition committee

481
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Speaker 1: members who are like these, you know, Hall of Fame coaches,

482
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: like people who know more they've forgotten more about football

483
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: yesterday than the rest of us will ever know, and

484
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: asking them about fairness and how to keep parody, which

485
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: is really what everyone and including myself believes is the

486
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: true advantage of NFL football as opposed to any other

487
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Speaker 1: professional sport. And that was the dog.

488
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Speaker 2: And I thought it was your ahead.

489
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Speaker 1: Everyone knows he's here, he's like forty's here from here.

490
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: So and that was kind of where I started to

491
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: really be able to map together how like like analytics

492
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: or at that time, you know, a lot of Excel documents.

493
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: If I learned how to code in better languages, I

494
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: could make better models, and those models, which were usually

495
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: to inform revenue, they could be switched to inform performance

496
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: because more competitive games for longer, more of an opportunity

497
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs, means more viewers, more viewers, more

498
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: people care, more money, round and round again.

499
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Speaker 3: So interesting.

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Speaker 2: I read this Detroit Free Press article. This quote stood out.

501
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: This is from twenty eighteen. Oh god, no, but this

502
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:36,719
Speaker 2: is because look, I am a part of Obviously, analytics

503
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 2: are important, right, and I mean the master of all

504
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: sports analytics would probably be the Oakland Athletics, right, I mean,

505
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 2: like in terms of small market, yet they make the playoffs.

506
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 2: It may not win, but it make the playoffs. They're

507
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 2: using it. But this debate that sort of rages between

508
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Speaker 2: analytics and gut right in a way. In a way

509
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanan versus Dan Campbell, Now that's reductive. I understand

510
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,719
Speaker 2: that because everybody's using it to some degree. But I

511
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: think that this quote from you helped me to sort

512
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 2: of understand and see analytics in a totally new way.

513
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 2: You said, statistics is seeing that two defensive ends had

514
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 2: the same number of secs, but analytics can measure who

515
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 2: is the better player of the two, and that often

516
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 2: has to do with what they're asked to do in

517
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Speaker 2: the specific defenses that they're in and how well that

518
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Speaker 2: they do it. And so the idea is it's not

519
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 2: just numbers or knowing numbers, but I think through your

520
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 2: work as well, it's being an insider and talking to

521
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 2: other people, understanding what defenses, for example in that example,

522
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 2: are being run, and using all of that information together

523
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Speaker 2: to help be more predictive.

524
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: I don't know is that I think it's to like

525
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: really know, you know, I use this analogy a lot.

526
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: Is like we kind of have a sense of who's overpaid,

527
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: we kind of have a sense of who's underpaid, but

528
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: you kind of need to know what paid is to

529
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: be able to understand where that line actually is. At

530
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: the extremes, everyone can figure it out. Everyone knows that

531
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: there are good it's almost draft time. There are good

532
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: quarterbacks coming up in this draft, and there are ones

533
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: that maybe aren't quite as talented right now. However, when

534
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: an analytics point of view could tell you is who

535
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Speaker 1: has the better chance of being a better backup in

536
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,439
Speaker 1: a specific system? Who has a better chance of you know,

537
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 1: there's so many different ways to sort of slice it

538
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: that you can say, in my system, I'm looking for

539
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: these attributes. I can handle not having these right So

540
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: it's less about being reductive, I would you say, and

541
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: more about finding a way to say these are the

542
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,919
Speaker 1: potential assets, this is how they could work, or these

543
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: are you know, the potential attributes, and this is how

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00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: we could nurture that development. I'm never gonna dunk a basketball.

545
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: I'm not tall enough to do that, however, I could

546
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: potentially learn to shoot three point three point shots better. Right, Like,

547
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: there is something that nature is absolutely already made a boundary,

548
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: but there are other things that make me more or

549
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: less likely to be able to do.

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Speaker 3: Something that's fascinating.

551
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 2: You write, you write your own code, so you're not

552
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: using other people's codes.

553
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: You're no, I don't trust anyone else. This is I

554
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 1: have like severe trust issues. No way, I don't use

555
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: anyone else's code. Stay away.

556
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 2: What was what speaking of statistics, what was your record

557
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 2: against the spread this year?

558
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: So I just went through and asked my producer because

559
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: because I worked for the NFL and we're not allowed

560
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: to get a do not track. You know, we're not

561
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: allowed to do anything on our own. But although we

562
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: pick every game with numbers, but don't ask me. I

563
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: don't make the rules, I just follow them. So he

564
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: told me that as of right now, I'm one seventy

565
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: six and one oh eight, so that's sixty one point nine.

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Speaker 3: Are you serious?

567
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: He just emailed it to me because I was like,

568
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, And then see, we don't you like,

569
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: we have to pick every game.

570
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 2: There's no way point you have to pick every game,

571
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 2: some you don't want to pick, right, Well.

572
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Speaker 1: I will say this year though, someone that I haven't

573
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: wanted to pick have helped me out a lot. This

574
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: year is a little This year's a little whack, but

575
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: like you know, many years, it's uh not that same. Wow. Yeah,

576
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: I emailed him because I was like, I'm not this

577
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,959
Speaker 1: is not on me. One seventy We've had two hundred

578
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: and eighty four games as of right now, one seventy

579
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Speaker 1: six in one.

580
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Speaker 3: Way, Wow, that's very impressive.

581
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Speaker 1: Well, now I'm going to be one seventy six and

582
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: one oh nine. I just feel it.

583
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 2: Tell me a little bit about well, and we'll see

584
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 2: what happens with the news. Maybe you'll be going back

585
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 2: to work for ESPN. Why you worked after the league office?

586
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 2: You went and worked for ESPN for almost five years

587
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: and then transitioned over to the NFL network. Why what

588
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 2: made you make that decision?

589
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: Well, I was after business school. When I was done

590
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: with business school, I went to Disney out here in

591
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: Angelus and I was working in like the strap planning,

592
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: like the scary part of it right where they were

593
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: like you, but we'll buy you Lucasfilms, or we'll make

594
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: some terrible acquisitions that I won't talk about in any

595
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: interview going for anyways, But we work on these things

596
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: that were like larger financial models, not dissimilar to what

597
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: I had been doing at the NFL. It was the

598
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: lockout year at the NFL, and I had had a

599
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:31,879
Speaker 1: health issue, so I was not going to be able

600
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: to get health insurance, which is why I made the

601
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 1: leap to Disney after doing that failed JV with That's

602
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,439
Speaker 1: that's how it all pieces together. So I came out here.

603
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: I started doing that. Then a role opened out in

604
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: Bristol to me from Los Angeles to West Hartford, Connecticut.

605
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: Good decisions, My life choices are really good. And to

606
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: work on the innovation team, which was like being able

607
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: to use big data sort of like money before anyone

608
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: was calling it like they were like moneyballing things right,

609
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: like analytics. But also since I had actual tech background,

610
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: figuring out how to sort of monetize different elements of

611
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: this new analytics thing that was coming right. So the

612
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: day that Paul D. Podesta of Oakland A's fame got

613
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: hired by the Cleveland Browns, nobody at ESPN knew how

614
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: to talk about it. So for my very first time

615
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 1: ever on TV was a six pm Sports center talking

616
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: about baseball and then football and what is quote unquote

617
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: moneyball for football?

618
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 3: Me?

619
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: And there we have it. Then we have a switch.

620
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: Then I had started doing it and they're like, why

621
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: don't you come on home to the NFL because I

622
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: still was very close with my NFL peeps, and I

623
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: came back to really, what I want to do is

624
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: help evolve this narrative around using data for storytelling. That's

625
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: not like I'm going to say this is like really

626
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: splashy thing and you're going to be mad at it

627
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: or not, And it's more about, Okay, this is what

628
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,720
Speaker 1: you're seeing and this is why this is a trend

629
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: that's following, or this is a trend that's breaking. So

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00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: you know, it's like helping the fan who's already very smart,

631
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: be a little bit more like, Okay, well, when you

632
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: talk about like outside zone runs, why isn't that working

633
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: this year? Or why does it look different? Why are

634
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: people running the a gap again right as opposed to

635
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: because there's always a pendulum the swings, and this is

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00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: this year. Actually, we saw the defenses be far more

637
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: impactful than we've seen in recent years so as that

638
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: pendulum swings, we get to see a little bit of

639
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: more of the macro narrative around it. As opposed to

640
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,959
Speaker 1: being like I don't like this person.

641
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 2: I'm much more the second. I'm much more of the second.

642
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 2: But I'm I'm pick here.

643
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: You're entertaining a lot of people just yell into space

644
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 1: like that. Last week I got real, Matt, like I

645
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: was listening to some of these takes on Dan Campbell

646
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: and people were yelling into space about stuff, and I'm like,

647
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: I don't even think this is They're projecting something else,

648
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: Like this is like a therapy session for them. This

649
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: isn't about Dan Campbell's decision. Like, I'm like, we've gone

650
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: well past that.

651
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,720
Speaker 2: But I'll be honest with you, I can't. I can't

652
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Speaker 2: listen to it. I can't do it. I just can't.

653
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: I just can't do it. And I don't need to

654
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 2: name any name. I could name a number of names.

655
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 2: I just my limit is reached. I'm I don't know,

656
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 2: I don't feel old, but it feels I feel like

657
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 2: crotchety and weirdly these most of these people are older

658
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 2: than I am, but they're just yell. Maybe that's it.

659
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: Maybe it's like the angry old man syndrome.

660
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: I also don't I also don't love when people say

661
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: that the analytics say during a broadcast, see that's what

662
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: I want to do next, I want to do in

663
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: in game. I've started trying to do it with pre

664
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: season with the Bills. And if you can do and

665
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: if you can get the internet to work real time

666
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 1: on code in Pimark Stadium, you can get it to

667
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: work anywhere because it's just not it's not a new stadium,

668
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: it's an older standing. So that's what I've been trying

669
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 1: to do. So we can say, hey, the instant pressure rate, right, Bills,

670
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: you talk about defensive pressure. The Bills love like you

671
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: talk about Bills, you talk about pressure on the defense,

672
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 1: and so you be like, hey, right now they're tracking

673
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: at thirty five percent, which is way lower than they're

674
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: forty two percent that they usually do. Why, Okay, this

675
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: is what's happening. Then you can have a better conversation

676
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: about it. So but I don't like it's always about

677
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: like fourth down decisions. The analytics say to go for it,

678
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: the analytics say not to go for it, and you're like, well,

679
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 1: the reality is is the model that they're using says

680
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: in the past from this down distance and time on

681
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: the clock remain remaining that this is what the outcome

682
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: has been. But they don't know if like the right

683
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: guard's been just getting smoked by Aaron Donald for the

684
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 1: past six possessions whatever. You know, they don't have that

685
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: like nuanced part. So it is and look, we don't

686
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 1: have enough time on the broadcast to say, well, here's

687
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: the nuances the right and all the times. But it

688
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: is also a little frustrating as a person who I'm

689
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,439
Speaker 1: never saying anything like I'm saying in fact, I'm useless whatever.

690
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: But like you know, like the analytics are never like

691
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: you do like no, there's like a robot code in

692
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: the back of a coach. It's like must do it,

693
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: Like no, it's it's here's the decision that you need

694
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 1: to make. And actually sometimes you have to make the

695
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: low probability decision like you just see.

696
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 3: So you know there.

697
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 2: I love that you're saying that, and I think that

698
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 2: there's another component as well. And you tell me as

699
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 2: a numbers person if I'm way off here. I know

700
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: people make too much out of momentum or energy. But there,

701
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: but but hold but hold, hold on one second. There's

702
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 2: this specific play that I always reference, which to me

703
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 2: is like the model of this and I believe that

704
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 2: I was proved right because they shot a show around it,

705
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 2: and when you watch the show, it makes you want

706
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 2: to kill somebody. Green Bay Packers the two hail mary

707
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 2: game in Arizona in the playoffs, where literally with no

708
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 2: time left on the clock, Rogers throws a hail mary

709
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: to come within one point and they kicked the extra point. Now,

710
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 2: there was some question about whether or not he caught

711
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 2: the ball or they went to replay. And during that season,

712
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 2: all or Nothing was on the Arizona Cardinals. So it

713
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 2: came out and NFL Films was in there documenting every moment.

714
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: And do you know what every single person on the

715
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 2: Arizona sideline was doing after the play was made, before

716
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 2: the point after attempt, they were looking at the scoreboard.

717
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: They were looking at the score like, did was that

718
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 2: a did did that?

719
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 3: Did that?

720
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: Just?

721
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 3: Really? Did Was that? Was that a cat? Did that? Really?

722
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: Just?

723
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 3: Was that?

724
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 2: What?

725
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 3: Like? They were defeated, it was over, you go for

726
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 3: two and you.

727
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 2: Win the game, and whatever the quote unquote analytics say

728
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 2: in that moment to me, you have you have to

729
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 2: define the time of the game, the circumstances around that

730
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 2: as well, not just if Aaron Donald was smoking the

731
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 2: right uh, the right tackle. But like where where we are,

732
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: we haven't never talking about well the analytics say, in

733
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 2: the past, with no time left on a clock in

734
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 2: a playoff game where you've just had a hail Mary

735
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 2: three against you really and then of course you know

736
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 2: Green Bay never got the ball.

737
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 3: Not that I'm still living back.

738
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 2: Then, but I was in the stadium that day, and

739
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 2: I even at the moment I screamed and screamed, what

740
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:12,479
Speaker 2: are you doing?

741
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,720
Speaker 3: What are you doing? Anyway? All right?

742
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: So wait, I'll give you an answer for that, okay,

743
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: because I think the two things that get conflated are

744
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: momentum and psychology. There is a psychological factor when you

745
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: have a massive play like that, and if you have

746
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: another one in the arsenal where you have a stronger

747
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: belief in yourself. I am not a psychologist, but I

748
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: think those behavioral aspects are measurable. When people say the

749
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:41,479
Speaker 1: word momentum, that gets tricky because like I don't really

750
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 1: always know what they mean, right, Like in that case,

751
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: I know what you mean by it. But like like

752
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: sometimes people be like, well, if I get up on

753
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: my couch and I watch from my bathroom through the

754
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: little window, I've done, you know, a butterfly wing flapped

755
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: in Japan and whatever, like you know, like that that's

756
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: not the same, right, Like I think have to be

757
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: careful with psychology, okay, like whatever we mean.

758
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 3: By okay, So psychology you think is valid.

759
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: Moment psychology is valid. I'm not sure always. It's just

760
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: like when the the word analytics has been bastardized. The

761
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:18,479
Speaker 1: word momentum also bastardized, right, like motion object is that whatever?

762
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: Like we get it, but like sometimes they stop like

763
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: it's it's It's very tricky because I would argue sometimes

764
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 1: it's like, well now it's special teams guys, and it's

765
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: not the same. People like, but the psychology I think

766
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: is real, I don't. But again, you're you're bastardizing the

767
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: word momentum if you just use it for everything. Yep,

768
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: they've got momentum swing up, momentum swing up, like it

769
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: doesn't mean anything anywhore. Just like the analytics say, I.

770
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 3: Need to watch it, sounds like you and I are

771
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 3: the same.

772
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 2: I need to watch the games with you, because I

773
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 2: spend as much time yelling at the announcers as I

774
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 2: do anybody else. And I think based on this conversation,

775
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 2: I find we're we're on the same page.

776
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean some of them are. I will say

777
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: the ones that are great or really like I'm like

778
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: a I'm like a Greg Olsen fan times a million,

779
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: Like I think he does a great job. So like

780
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: he he doesn't get in his uh in his bag

781
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: with weird trick phrases, right right, No, an I Eagle.

782
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: I will go to the map for Iron Eagle. I

783
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: love Iron Eagle. He's also like the he's like super

784
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: fun to work with, so well.

785
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 2: That makes that makes a difference too. But wait, I

786
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 2: do want to circle back on one thing. So you

787
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 2: don't think based on whether I'm sitting or standing or

788
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 2: watching a game through the window at a bar or

789
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 2: sitting down at a table in the bar, you don't

790
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 2: think that I have control over what's going on.

791
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: I mean you might. I guess it's possible, But I'm

792
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: a probabilities girl. That is a low probability event.

793
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 3: There was in the bathroom for that last throwing.

794
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: The ball, and you're like just simply like moonlighting as

795
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 1: another person, but you're actually Aaron Rodgers throwing the ball

796
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: in that moment. Then then we can talk about where

797
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: you're watching it from actually matters, because you know arm

798
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: angles actual velocity.

799
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

800
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 2: I was in the bathroom for that last offensive drive.

801
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,479
Speaker 2: I got to go back again. Call me, hey, knock

802
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 2: on the door when they've scored again.

803
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 1: Oh god, oh, my mother, my Italian mother. We went

804
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: to my closest. My close friend in college is Matthias

805
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: q and Uka, who was a defensive end for the

806
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: New York Giants. We went to a game where he

807
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,439
Speaker 1: played in Detroit and he got hurt. As we were

808
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: walking out, she went in the bathroom, came back out,

809
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: threw her shirt away. Luckily she was wearing a jacket

810
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,919
Speaker 1: over it. But she's like, it's all my fault, it's

811
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: the shirt, and we're like, so, my mom caused an injury.

812
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would never think anything like that. I might

813
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 2: have looked for a hat that I wore the last

814
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: time a team played.

815
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: I might wash the lion's sweatshirt. I didn't wash it all.

816
00:47:55,560 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 3: So it's fine, is that true? You know you can

817
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 3: watch it for next year? Yeah?

818
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 2: Okay, a couple of specifics before general you think that

819
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 2: you know the thing I mentioned before.

820
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 3: I mean, I know this is reductive.

821
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 2: It's almost embarrassing to say these things in front of you,

822
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 2: But you know, the two teams played four years ago.

823
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 2: Obviously a number of the same people involved. I think

824
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 2: the coaches both being involved again and having the same

825
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 2: experience of preparing for a Super Bowl for two weeks

826
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 2: against the other coach. I think that's significant. Many of

827
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 2: the same players.

828
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 3: But as I.

829
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 1: Mentioned, seventeen players that haven't played in Super Bowl. I

830
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: know it's not the same as the one four years ago,

831
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: but that's seventeen players that haven't That's crazy.

832
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy. The lie if the Lions were playing

833
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 2: in it, what would it be like fifty.

834
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 1: Seventh Jarry Goff has played in the Super Bowl? Like

835
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: maybe maybe three? Right, Oh, you're under would be said

836
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 1: at three players. I haven't seen the I haven't looked

837
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: at the roster and the Super Bowl. That's where I

838
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:23,959
Speaker 1: said it under two.

839
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 3: Do you?

840
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 2: But obviously there's Christian McCaffrey this time around. There's also

841
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 2: mister not irrelevant anymore, Rock Purty. But to me, a

842
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 2: significant difference is the Chiefs defense is no longer irrelevant.

843
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 2: What do you think about this time around with the

844
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 2: vaunted forty nine er offense against this new look Chiefs defense,

845
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,439
Speaker 2: which I don't know where you had them, that would

846
00:49:55,480 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 2: be interesting. I couldn't find a list where the chief

847
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 2: We're not in the top five, and most of them

848
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 2: had them number two this year.

849
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think they're probably three ish two

850
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: for me as well. It's hard. I'll have to go

851
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: back and look, but top five for sure, absolutely, top

852
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,439
Speaker 1: four for sure. The interesting part in this game will

853
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: be the yards after the catch for the Niners, because Niners,

854
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: that's what they do. Past two seasons, they've led in

855
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,879
Speaker 1: that metric on a per reception basis, six point seven

856
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 1: yards per reception that is a lot. Two point one

857
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: of those are yards after the catch over expected. So

858
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 1: that is a stat that I like because it kind

859
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 1: of makes you like like it's like a war sort

860
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: of metric. For it's better when it's for position groups

861
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: like yards after the catch over expected. It's not quite

862
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: as amazing on an individual player basis because whatever, but

863
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: as a blended group it's actually pretty instructive. So there,

864
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 1: I mean six point sevens a ton and the Chiefs

865
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: defense they are so best at limiting such yards, so

866
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: they're really good tacklers. They're understanding where they're supposed to be.

867
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: They're strategic with they're blitzing. Sure they do it at

868
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: a top six rate in the league, but it's strategic

869
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: so they're not getting a blitz and then just not

870
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: getting home right like they're blitzing in times either you know,

871
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: a predictable passing down or something where they get a pressure.

872
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: For example, in this game, I would look at the

873
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 1: right side of the offensive line for the forty nine ers.

874
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 1: I mean, we saw Aiden Hutchinson from the Lions lineup

875
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: against there and then you know, George Kittle like smoked

876
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: him a couple of times. But it's still like that's

877
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 1: the side of the line that they're gonna need to

878
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:43,280
Speaker 1: account for. But it's really their their ability to, especially

879
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: at the intermediate level, just kind of find that area

880
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: right in between where those rushers go and where the

881
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: you know, the safeties are in the back because the

882
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: corners are very good and both Lagarious Snead and Trent

883
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,399
Speaker 1: McDuffie in the red area get even better. So don't

884
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: get the compressed field they need to rely on yak.

885
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: They that's that will be the to me, that's the

886
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: one thing if the Niners win, it's because they've got

887
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: a lot of yak That's why.

888
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 2: I love that yacks after catch.

889
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 3: I love that.

890
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny, you, I mean, it's not funny at all.

891
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 2: I don't know why I use that. That was just

892
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 2: like me trying to think of a word to say.

893
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 2: But like McCaffrey, Debo, even Kittle, Yeah, you you when

894
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 2: you see their plays or when you when you think

895
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 2: about them, it's just like they just make people miss.

896
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:39,760
Speaker 2: They just make people one to twelve. There's only eleven

897
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 2: players on defense. But you know what I'm saying, like, yeah,

898
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 2: usually that's that is That's very interesting.

899
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 3: Uh, Rock.

900
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 2: He has well, Certainly the second half of the Detroit game,

901
00:52:55,719 --> 00:53:00,720
Speaker 2: he put on a pretty impressive performance. Doesn't a peer, however,

902
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 2: to be dominating start to finish as he was during

903
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 2: the regular season.

904
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 3: You think he's going to be tight. What does the

905
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 3: numbers say about that?

906
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a tighter game. I think.

907
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:12,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I can tell you who I have winning.

908
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I've done all my I've done my homework,

909
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 1: correct you have I yeah, yeah, oh yeah. I mean obviously,

910
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 1: if there is some weird injury that you know, if

911
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: something really strange happens, this would all potentially change. But

912
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: despite Brock and these two things can be true at

913
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: the same time. I think Rock Curdy is a is

914
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,240
Speaker 1: a good quarterback, and I think he's a long term

915
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: great solution. My it doesn't necessarily mean that. I don't

916
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,879
Speaker 1: think that Kansas City's offense is going to dominate San

917
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: Francisco's offense. And that's more where I fall. I think

918
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: hopefully and I do have a pretty healthy scoring game,

919
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 1: but I think that the chiefs. To me, it's it's

920
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: going to be hard to outwit the chief in this

921
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 1: chess game, especially since and I would say this to

922
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 1: Kyle Shannon if he was sitting right here. Sometimes at

923
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,760
Speaker 1: the end of games, look what happens if he's trailing

924
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 1: in fourth quarters. It's not a pretty number. And sometimes

925
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 1: in the end of game like he's like, let's run,

926
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: and You're like, no, it's a past, Like you know,

927
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: he just the strategy doesn't work, and it's not And

928
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 1: this has honestly, it's nothing to do with Brock Purty.

929
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: It's not because I think Brock Purty is going to

930
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 1: go out there and like not and throw what did

931
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: you throw against the Ravens like feign or so No

932
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: that that ain't it. It's just more I think Patrick

933
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: Mahomes in this situation, and more Isaiah Pacheco, because I

934
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: think that's where they're going to get those burst yards.

935
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: Go watch what happened on first down with the Lions

936
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 1: game or with your guy Aaron Jones in the Packers

937
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: game the week before. It's those first downs, on first

938
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,479
Speaker 1: downs where you can really the Niners can get got.

939
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: They can get got on those And as unsexy as

940
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,720
Speaker 1: that sounds, that to me is a far more instructive

941
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: way to live than to say, hey, we need to

942
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: rely on not confusing brock Purdy for four quarters because,

943
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: by the way, Steve Spagnola is expert at that. By

944
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:06,919
Speaker 1: the way, did you know the fifteenth anniversary that David

945
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: Tyree head thing where Steve Spagnola was a defensive cordator.

946
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just thought that the other day.

947
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, it's been that's crazy. Bags is

948
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 1: a coordator in that Super Bowl, too insane. He'd beat

949
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, who was undefeated that year, So you got

950
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: to give Spags a little bit of credit right there.

951
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 3: Wow, you got the Chiefs winning a close one.

952
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: A I do, I do? Which is the under you

953
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: know they're not favored?

954
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 3: Me too, Me too? I don't know.

955
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 2: Is that that's either that's either winning twinning or we're

956
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 2: both going to be wrong, I mean, one way or

957
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 2: the other, or at least on the same team. Well,

958
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:53,280
Speaker 2: I am hoping for a big game from my fellow

959
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 2: s m U Mustangs hailed to the red and the

960
00:55:56,080 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 2: blue of the Mustangs of SMU. Rushi Rice having a

961
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 2: really nice little postseason. I'm hoping it continues.

962
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: And so I want to give you my low key.

963
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: I like Rassi Rice, but I think my low key

964
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: like if you want to think about I mean to

965
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: use the word alternate m vps, perhaps not quarterbacks or

966
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey, because those two would those three would seem

967
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 1: the most obvious. I think I think there could be

968
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: a world where Isaiah Patchecko happens to run rough shot,

969
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: and not that I don't. I don't think it's super likely,

970
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: but I think it's I think there's value there because

971
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: because look, if you're gonna say, I believe the Chiefs win,

972
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: and part of the way the Chiefs win is to

973
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: keep the ball out. You got to keep the ball

974
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: on the side. We both think there's going to be

975
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 1: a decent amount of points scored. Okay, so then what

976
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: what do you What do you do? If you're Andy Reid?

977
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: Strategically you run the football or you use the short

978
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 1: passes that we've seen. And that's where because you're not

979
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: going to pass into Fred Warren or Drake green Law,

980
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: this is not gonna happen. But you can on outside

981
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: zone runs, which is hilariously like Kyle Shanahan's special outside

982
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: zone runs. That's how they can make them like not

983
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: very happy.

984
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 3: I like it. I like it a lot.

985
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 2: We will we will see you in Las Vegas very

986
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 2: very soon. Thank you so much for your insight. I

987
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 2: just put a million dollars on Pacheco to win the MVP.

988
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 2: The odds were incredible. I hope that was smart. If not, again,

989
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 2: it's your fault.

990
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it's totally my fault. And if you win,

991
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: I'll let you pay off my student loans.

992
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,919
Speaker 2: Actually, if I were to make that bet, I would

993
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 2: pay I would pay off your student loan even though

994
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 2: after today I know that you have eighty seven degrees,

995
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 2: I would still pay all.

996
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: Pay for two of them. So I got one.

997
00:57:55,480 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 2: Gun, Cynthia. Thank you so much. I will see you

998
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 2: in Vegas.

999
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: See you very soon, safe travel, stay out of this.

1000
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 3: Rat you too.

1001
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 2: Thank you Cynthia for joining me. I will see you

1002
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 2: in Vegas. We're gonna well, we're gonna have an interesting week,

1003
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 2: to say the least, and everybody you heard it here

1004
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 2: First the Chiefs in a high scoring, close game over

1005
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 2: the forty nine Ers.

1006
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 3: Again, we're both right or we're both wrong.

1007
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 2: Listeners, thank you so much for indulging me with storytime

1008
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 2: with Brian today, and enjoy the game. Good luck in

1009
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 2: whatever way you choose to watch, and I will see

1010
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 2: you next week for another Well, it's gonna be an

1011
00:58:55,360 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 2: amazing episode. Off the Beat is hosted and executive produced

1012
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 2: by me Brian Baumgartner, alongside our executive producer Ling Lee.

1013
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 2: Our senior producer is Diego Tapia. Our producers are Liz Hayes,

1014
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 2: Hannah Harris, and Emily Carr. Our talent producer is Ryan

1015
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