WEBVTT - Chapter 2 | Jessica

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<v Speaker 1>Heads Up. This series contains graphic descriptions of violence. On

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<v Speaker 1>the morning of August first, two thousand, a teacher preparing

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<v Speaker 1>for the first day of classes noticed something on the

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<v Speaker 1>ground near the flower beds behind the Mayfield Middle School.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw this sandal laying right by the.

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<v Speaker 3>Door.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a little concrete path there, and I saw the

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<v Speaker 2>sandal laying there, and I just thought, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>wonder what that sandal's doing there.

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<v Speaker 1>As her sight shifted away from the sandal, scanning the

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<v Speaker 1>school grounds, the teacher saw something else.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I looked over to the left is when

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<v Speaker 2>I saw the body.

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<v Speaker 4>There's not a lot of bodies found in Mayfield, Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 4>When you heard there was on, what were you thinking, Oh,

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<v Speaker 4>our man was racing.

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<v Speaker 5>But you know, when you've never had nothing like this

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<v Speaker 5>happen before, it kind of gives you a little, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>a little thought that, no, it's not happening to me.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Joe Curran. For two days before Jessica's body

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<v Speaker 1>was found, he and his wife, Jean had been searching

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<v Speaker 1>for their eighteen year old daughter. The next day, police

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<v Speaker 1>identified the body with the help of dental records, and

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<v Speaker 1>Joe and Jan it was Jessica. They recognized the jewelry

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<v Speaker 1>on their daughter's hands.

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<v Speaker 6>It's the loneliest crime, saying, I'm ere saying, I've saying

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<v Speaker 6>a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>You met Dara, a woman on the last episode. Like me,

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<v Speaker 1>Dara has poured over pictures and video of the crime scene.

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<v Speaker 7>She just looked as if she had been tossed out

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<v Speaker 7>the back her. She was, you know, all the jewelryes

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<v Speaker 7>still honor and it was everything that she had that

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<v Speaker 7>she felt. It was a value she had on her still.

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<v Speaker 7>But she was all by herself. It was just long ley.

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<v Speaker 1>According to police, Jessica's murder was the first in Mayfield

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<v Speaker 1>in over a year and a half. They told the

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<v Speaker 1>press that the school grounds appeared to be the scene

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<v Speaker 1>of the crime, that there were signs of a struggle

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<v Speaker 1>and then a homicide.

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<v Speaker 5>We're getting that information that she was beaten, strangled, staled

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<v Speaker 5>and burned. I don't know how I could get much worse,

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<v Speaker 5>and then her body was dumped behind the middle school.

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<v Speaker 1>I first met Joe Curran in twenty twenty three. He

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<v Speaker 1>was born in Graves County in nineteen fifty seven, just

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<v Speaker 1>a year after Mayfield started to desegregate its public schools.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm kind of a country boy, and I went to

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<v Speaker 5>some few schools out in the county and they didn't

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<v Speaker 5>have any you know, black students at all.

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<v Speaker 1>You were the only black kid.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, What was that like? Well, I mean, it's kind

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<v Speaker 5>of like most of my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe was among that first generation of black children to

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<v Speaker 1>study in what had been white only schools in a

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<v Speaker 1>county that has always been majority white ninety percent as

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<v Speaker 1>of the last census. This is the world Joe grew

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<v Speaker 1>up in.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I ride horses and go to rodeos and stuff,

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<v Speaker 5>and a lot of places that I go basketball games

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<v Speaker 5>and football games, and it's a whole stadium full of people.

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<v Speaker 5>A lot of times, I'm only back person there. I

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<v Speaker 5>go to a lot of farmers meetings, three hundred people.

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<v Speaker 5>I may be the only black person in the room.

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<v Speaker 5>So I mean, it don't mean anything to me.

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<v Speaker 1>And Joe learned to thrive in this world. He played

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<v Speaker 1>defense for the high school football team, the beloved Mayfield Cardinals,

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<v Speaker 1>worked as a bailiff, and ran his own business.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm a fish farmer, so I'm eight fish pond.

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<v Speaker 1>What kind of fish?

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<v Speaker 8>Catfish?

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<v Speaker 1>He became a lieutenant in the fire department and went

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<v Speaker 1>to church every Sunday. Joe Curran did write by Mayfield,

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<v Speaker 1>so when his daughter was brutally killed, Joe thought Mayfield

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<v Speaker 1>would do right by him. Instead, local police bungled the

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<v Speaker 1>case and it went unsolved for years. This is Graves County,

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<v Speaker 1>Chapter two, Jessica. Depending on who you ask, there are

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<v Speaker 1>dozens of versions of what happened to Jessica between the

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<v Speaker 1>times she was reportedly last seen and the time her

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<v Speaker 1>body was found. You already heard one version last episode,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's different from the story about the final days

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<v Speaker 1>of Jessica Current's life that were first put on the record.

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<v Speaker 1>This is according to my team's own reporting, court testimony,

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<v Speaker 1>police interviews, and private investigator interviews, which you'll be hearing

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<v Speaker 1>throughout this episode, all of which have been edited for

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<v Speaker 1>length and clarity. In July of two thousand, had a

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<v Speaker 1>seven month old baby named Zion. She was close with

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<v Speaker 1>her family, shared a room at home with Zion and

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<v Speaker 1>her baby's sister, but she wanted her independence, so Jessica

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<v Speaker 1>got her own apartment at an affordable housing complex in

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<v Speaker 1>the southeast part of town, so she was slow to

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<v Speaker 1>fully move out.

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<v Speaker 5>Joe says the first whole week she stayed at home.

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<v Speaker 5>In the second week, she moved out on Thursday. She

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<v Speaker 5>went to her house on Thursday, and she was there

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<v Speaker 5>on Friday and in Saturday.

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<v Speaker 1>That Saturday morning, Jessica dropped off Zion with her parents

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<v Speaker 1>and she went to hang out with some girlfriends, including

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<v Speaker 1>her boyfriend's cousin, Veneisha's Stubblefield. You heard her name last episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Vnesha and Jessica had become friends earlier that year.

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<v Speaker 6>Me and Jessica just started really actually hanging out.

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<v Speaker 9>In two thousand, she was going to a Duart Lunder

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<v Speaker 9>Center to get her ged form when she dropped out

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<v Speaker 9>of high school when she was pregnant.

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<v Speaker 6>She went to the GD school.

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<v Speaker 1>They crossed paths after class.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, she was coming from Gd's school when I was

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<v Speaker 10>coming from summer school.

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<v Speaker 1>Venetia, a wiry girl with giant eyes, was among the

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<v Speaker 1>very first people interviewed by police. She was sixteen at

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<v Speaker 1>the time. According to Venetia, she Jessica and a few

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<v Speaker 1>other girls hung out at a friend's house playing cards

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<v Speaker 1>and having drinks. That night, we all sat.

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<v Speaker 5>Third play ors listen to music.

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<v Speaker 1>We had a few drinks.

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<v Speaker 11>Wad it.

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<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, in another part of town. There was a party

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<v Speaker 1>on a street called Chriss Drive. It's about a ten

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<v Speaker 1>minute drive south from where Jessica was hanging and a

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<v Speaker 1>little more rural, surrounded by fields hanging out or a

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<v Speaker 1>handful of locals and twenty four year old Quincy Cross

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<v Speaker 1>Quincy in Tennessee, but a friend had convinced him to

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<v Speaker 1>go to Mayfield and hang. He could even sell some

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<v Speaker 1>drugs there.

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<v Speaker 6>He was like, come on, man, if you go, we'll

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<v Speaker 6>bring you back later on.

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<v Speaker 1>Some partygoers say Quincy stood out that night, not just

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<v Speaker 1>because he was an out of towner, but because he

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<v Speaker 1>was rowdy. He kept wanting to play drinking games and

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<v Speaker 1>was fidgeting with his braided belt.

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<v Speaker 7>He had aided belt at home, and he was swinging

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<v Speaker 7>it around the night.

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<v Speaker 12>Because while he was talking to us in the living room,

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<v Speaker 12>he was flickering the end of it, kind of flicking

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<v Speaker 12>around while he was talking.

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<v Speaker 13>It stuck out in my mind because he had taken

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<v Speaker 13>the belt off and was like swinging it around and

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<v Speaker 13>wrapping it around his hands and making noise with it.

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<v Speaker 13>And I think at some point Ashley and I both

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<v Speaker 13>kind of looked at each other and thought, you know,

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<v Speaker 13>that's annoying.

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<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, back at the other gathering, the low key one

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<v Speaker 1>with the girls playing cards, Jessica decided to call it

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<v Speaker 1>a night around one or two am. Her friends tried

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<v Speaker 1>to get her a ride home, but no one was available,

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<v Speaker 1>so Jessica had to go back to her apartment on foot.

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<v Speaker 1>Venetia walked Jessica outside to say goodbye.

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<v Speaker 14>We stood there wait talk for a brief minute, then

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<v Speaker 14>she left the shoe.

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<v Speaker 5>Up by herself.

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<v Speaker 1>Venicia says she told Jessica to take care and watched

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<v Speaker 1>her disappear into the night. So this was the night

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<v Speaker 1>that we think everything happened. She leaves there and it starts.

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<v Speaker 6>She's walking somewhere along here.

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<v Speaker 1>I charted that walk with Joe Curran and a private investigator.

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<v Speaker 1>It would have been at least a forty minute journey

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<v Speaker 1>alone in the dark.

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<v Speaker 6>But that'd be a long walk for her at that

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<v Speaker 6>time of day.

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<v Speaker 12>Not that she wasn't capable of doing it, but I

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<v Speaker 12>don't know how smart that would be.

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<v Speaker 1>The middle school is halfway to Jessica's place, and it

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<v Speaker 1>would have been desolate.

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<v Speaker 12>This town pretty much dies at dark.

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<v Speaker 1>Back at the party on Chris Drive, Quincy asked to

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<v Speaker 1>borrow someone's car around daybreak. He says he wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>go find food.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm like, man, I'm hungry.

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<v Speaker 10>Now, I'm like, man, how do you get to town?

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<v Speaker 5>So he pointed in a direction.

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<v Speaker 13>I asked him, let me use his car.

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<v Speaker 1>But some of the other partygoers remember it differently.

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<v Speaker 12>He was on the phone quite frequently that night and

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<v Speaker 12>was calling back to university in different places, saying that,

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<v Speaker 12>you know, he found some women at a hotel or

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<v Speaker 12>something or other.

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<v Speaker 1>He recalls Quincy saying he wanted to get.

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<v Speaker 12>Some bitious, sorry, get some bitches.

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<v Speaker 1>So he borrowed the car and drove off. But remember

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<v Speaker 1>it's two thousand, he'd been partying. We didn't have Google

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<v Speaker 1>Maps or anything like that back then. So Quincy says,

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<v Speaker 1>he got lost on those rural roads.

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<v Speaker 15>I can end up making a big loop, a big

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<v Speaker 15>old circle.

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<v Speaker 6>So when I do that, the car runs.

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<v Speaker 5>Out of gas.

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<v Speaker 1>It stalled about two miles from Chris Drive. That's when

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<v Speaker 1>a local jailer saw Quincy pulled over and asked if

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<v Speaker 1>he needed help.

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<v Speaker 6>I popped his trunk and this gas.

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<v Speaker 10>Can you know what I'm saying, It's in this trunk soul.

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<v Speaker 1>The jailer watched him put gas in the car and

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<v Speaker 1>spill some on himself.

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<v Speaker 10>He's standing right beside me, so he see me drunk,

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<v Speaker 10>a couple of trumps and gas on my parts.

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<v Speaker 5>Laid he seat me do it.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no disputing that the jailer found Quincy putting gas

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<v Speaker 1>in a car, but there doesn't seem to be a

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<v Speaker 1>consensus as to where exactly the gas can came from.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the car's owner at trial.

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<v Speaker 14>Is that your gas?

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<v Speaker 12>No, sir, I didn't have a gas can my car.

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<v Speaker 12>Did mister crosstay where he got that?

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<v Speaker 8>Guess?

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<v Speaker 12>Said he stole it from building or something somewhere around

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<v Speaker 12>the road. He got the gas in my call or

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<v Speaker 12>try to get the gas station.

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<v Speaker 1>Either way. Around seven fifty am, a state trooper driving

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<v Speaker 1>by noticed Quincy right away.

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<v Speaker 5>He had no shirt on.

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<v Speaker 2>He could see multiple tattoos.

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<v Speaker 14>He had a pair of dark pants on with no belt.

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<v Speaker 1>Quincy quibbles with some of those details.

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<v Speaker 10>I had a key shirt on, he kept saying, I

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<v Speaker 10>didn't have no ke shirt on. I did have a

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<v Speaker 10>T shirt home.

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<v Speaker 1>But the trooper says he specifically noticed Quincy didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>a belt on.

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<v Speaker 13>The pants were drooping.

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<v Speaker 14>I could see his box or shorts. He kept having

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<v Speaker 14>to pull him up while we were having conversations.

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<v Speaker 1>The state trooper gave Quincy a ride back to Chris Drive,

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<v Speaker 1>and when the trooper went to retrieve the stalled car

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<v Speaker 1>as he found marijuana seeds on the front seat and

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<v Speaker 1>a handgun in the glovebox. That gave him enough to

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<v Speaker 1>go back to Chris Drive and search all the party

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<v Speaker 1>goers for more drugs or weapons, and Quincy, along with

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<v Speaker 1>a few others at the party, ended up getting arrested

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<v Speaker 1>early Sunday for drug possession. One of the guys booked

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<v Speaker 1>with Quincy remembers the smell any.

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<v Speaker 10>Stong cup gasoline.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean it was just breaking on a smell I gay.

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<v Speaker 1>Later that Sunday morning, Jessica's parents, Joe and Jean, went

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<v Speaker 1>to pick up Jessica so they could all go to

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<v Speaker 1>church with Zion, but they didn't find her. At first,

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<v Speaker 1>Joe thought she's probably still out with friends. When did

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<v Speaker 1>you realize something was really wrong?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, being working at the fire department in the shrif's department,

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<v Speaker 5>I knew that a person is a grown up at eighteen.

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<v Speaker 5>You can't really do nothing with a missing person until

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<v Speaker 5>so many hours, So I mean, we were already feeling like,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, something wasn't right, because she hadn't been calling.

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday went by, then Monday, and still no sign of

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<v Speaker 1>their daughter until the teacher found the body on Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 1>She'd been burned, part of her dress charred onto her body.

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<v Speaker 1>Her sandals were strewn as if she'd been dragged or

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<v Speaker 1>had run. Her underwear was found ripped into next to

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<v Speaker 1>her on the ground. According to the medical examiner, Jessica

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<v Speaker 1>appeared to have been hit in the head, her nose

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<v Speaker 1>was broken, she had some cuts around her face, and

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<v Speaker 1>what appeared to be stab wounds in her back. He

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<v Speaker 1>determined the cause of death was blunt force trauma plus

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<v Speaker 1>strangulation based on another piece of evidence found near Jessica's body,

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<v Speaker 1>the fragment of a black braided belt laying near her neck.

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<v Speaker 1>More after the break, for a brief moment in time,

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Curran had everything he wanted. He and his wife Jean,

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<v Speaker 1>got married young, and their plan was to have two

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<v Speaker 1>boys and two girls.

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<v Speaker 5>And I wanted boy first and girl second, and that's

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<v Speaker 5>the way we had. We had a boy and a girl,

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<v Speaker 5>and then another boy and a girl.

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<v Speaker 1>All their names start with Jay. Is Jessica the.

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<v Speaker 5>Youngest, No, she's the second oldest.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Curran is the kind of man who looks like

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<v Speaker 1>he carries the weight of the world. He stands tall

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<v Speaker 1>and proud with the build of a football player, but

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<v Speaker 1>his eyes are sunken and tired, revealing decades of pain.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's a picture of her, her older brother.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sitting with Joe going through old family photographs.

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<v Speaker 5>This is a picture of my wife and she's holding her.

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<v Speaker 1>There a tiny Jessica in a frilly white dress and

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<v Speaker 1>white bonnet, probably going to church. Jessica was pretty, with

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<v Speaker 1>big brown, almond shaved eyes and a wide, perfectly white smile.

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<v Speaker 1>She looks like Joe, a spitting image of her dad.

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<v Speaker 1>She usually wore her hair in a cute short bob.

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<v Speaker 1>And she was tall.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, she was about five nine fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's like a little string bean here, tall and skinny. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and athletic. She ran track and she was a solid

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<v Speaker 1>nineties teen who liked Tupac and the X Files.

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<v Speaker 5>She was the only one that would watch the X

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<v Speaker 5>Files with me, and she could kind of keep up

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<v Speaker 5>with it. My wife gets lost on it and she can't.

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<v Speaker 5>She can't keep she have the patience.

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<v Speaker 1>So Joe's wife, Jean isn't sitting with us.

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<v Speaker 5>I've apologize for my wife. She's still pretty shook up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was going to ask you about that, So

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<v Speaker 1>you know why. While she's talked to press in the past,

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<v Speaker 1>Jeane just isn't up for it today. I can't say

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<v Speaker 1>I blame her. After years of telling strangers about your

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<v Speaker 1>dead child, what else is there to say except I'm

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<v Speaker 1>in pain and I miss her.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean she still goes to the down to the

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<v Speaker 5>grave site at least once or twice the week sometimes.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean they were close. They were close friends. I

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<v Speaker 5>mean about as close as you could be for a

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<v Speaker 5>mother and a daughter, you know, daughter, Yeah, almost like

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<v Speaker 5>you know, two sisters. And it really really hurt her.

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<v Speaker 1>After two years of reporting on this case, I can

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<v Speaker 1>say that from all I've gathered, Jessica was sweet and loving,

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<v Speaker 1>but she was also feisty and brave.

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<v Speaker 3>Jessica cut a boy one time for calling her the Inward,

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<v Speaker 3>she pulled out a light and.

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<v Speaker 1>Cutting This is an old police interview of Jessica's best

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<v Speaker 1>friend seeing Jessica once pulled a knife on a boy

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<v Speaker 1>for calling her the n word.

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<v Speaker 3>If she had a problem, I mean she would I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>hit you or whatever she felt necessary to defend herself.

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<v Speaker 1>Jessica Lindsay met Jessica Curran at Graves County High.

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<v Speaker 3>I've considered her one of my best friends. She was

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<v Speaker 3>a very outgoing person, very down to earth. What caught

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<v Speaker 3>my attention about her in school was that she stood

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<v Speaker 3>up for people, like when they would get picked on,

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<v Speaker 3>and she didn't allow that. If she's saying it going on.

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<v Speaker 16>She would put a stop to it.

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<v Speaker 3>So, I mean she was just very you know, very

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<v Speaker 3>kind girl, very very kind girl. She would pretty much

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<v Speaker 3>do anything for anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>And she was also a teenager who in the summer

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<v Speaker 1>of two thousand was getting over a heartache. She had

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<v Speaker 1>her baby in December nineteen ninety nine, a little boy

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<v Speaker 1>named Zion, and Jessica thought that baby's dad was a

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<v Speaker 1>boy named Marcus.

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<v Speaker 3>She used to snake out her bedroom window and I'll

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<v Speaker 3>say him.

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<v Speaker 1>But after Zion was born, Jessica got the news.

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<v Speaker 3>She was trying to get child sport ordered for Marcus

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever, and they'd done a daneitis and it came

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<v Speaker 3>back negative or however they come back. It wasn't his.

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<v Speaker 1>It hit her heart, especially when she realized that if

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<v Speaker 1>Marcus wasn't the dad, then it had to be a

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<v Speaker 1>local drug dealer named Jeremy Adams, a guy she barely

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<v Speaker 1>knew and didn't even like. According to her friend, they

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<v Speaker 1>had just hung out once and smoked some weed.

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<v Speaker 16>We all went.

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<v Speaker 3>Back to my house and we smoked a blunt and

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<v Speaker 3>hung out marijuana and we hung out or whatever. And

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<v Speaker 3>that night he kind of forced Lee took her around

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<v Speaker 3>the building and had.

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<v Speaker 16>Said they had sex.

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<v Speaker 17>It was like two.

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<v Speaker 3>Seconds they were around there and came back and he

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<v Speaker 3>walked off and that was that.

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<v Speaker 6>That was that.

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<v Speaker 1>A baby came nine months later.

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<v Speaker 16>She was very upset when she found out it wasn't Mark,

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<v Speaker 16>So she was very upset. This is after Zion was born.

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<v Speaker 16>She stopped messing with Marcus and she started messing with.

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<v Speaker 1>Lolo Carlos, Lolo Saxton, Venetia Stubblefield's cousin, and another local

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<v Speaker 1>drug dealer, a dreamy one at that a year older

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<v Speaker 1>with sad puppy eyes. They started seeing each other in

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<v Speaker 1>the spring of two thousand.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean she liked him, she really liked him.

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<v Speaker 1>It was panning out to be a good summer for

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<v Speaker 1>young Jessica, meeting a boy she liked, moving out on

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<v Speaker 1>her own so much to look forward to. In the

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<v Speaker 1>months that followed his daughter's killing, Joe walked around in

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<v Speaker 1>a daze, in a nightmare. He remembers sitting at a restaurant.

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<v Speaker 5>I was sitting at the table by myself, and this

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<v Speaker 5>waitress come over and said to me, you look like

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<v Speaker 5>you lost the last person in the world. It looked

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<v Speaker 5>like you y'all lost your best friend.

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<v Speaker 1>She didn't know, She.

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<v Speaker 5>Had no clue. She apologized later because she found out

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<v Speaker 5>what happened and she knew who I was, and she

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<v Speaker 5>apologized later. She said, I had no clue that you

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<v Speaker 5>know that was your daughter, because it just showed on

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<v Speaker 5>my face, me sating there by myself. We'd just show.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the few comforts the Kerran family had was

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<v Speaker 1>believing that soon, eventually they'd find whoever did this to Jessica,

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<v Speaker 1>and they'd be able to ask how and why, and

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully get some sense of justice. The man put in

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<v Speaker 1>charge of Jessica Kerrn's murder investigation was Tim Fortner, a

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<v Speaker 1>patrolman who had just been promoted to detective. This was

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<v Speaker 1>his very first murder investigation, and according to interviews, press reports,

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<v Speaker 1>and court filings, Fortner and his small town police department

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<v Speaker 1>were out of their debts. The problem seemed to have

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<v Speaker 1>started from the get go.

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<v Speaker 7>Here's Dara again, okay, So it took forever for them

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<v Speaker 7>to rope off the crime scene, right.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't log who came and went or properly canvassed

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<v Speaker 1>the neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 6>No statements were taken at the scene.

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<v Speaker 1>They also threw away the maggots they found on Jessica's body.

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<v Speaker 1>Maggots could have helped determine how long her body had

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<v Speaker 1>been decomposing. Without them, it was hard for the medical

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<v Speaker 1>examiner to determine an exact time of death.

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<v Speaker 7>In supplemental reports that I've read by the police, they're like,

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<v Speaker 7>do we keep her underwear?

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<v Speaker 6>What about the seven up bottle?

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<v Speaker 1>They threw away part of Jessica's dress and a couple

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<v Speaker 1>rape swabs from other crime scenes were mixed in with

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<v Speaker 1>the evidence boxes for Jessica's case.

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<v Speaker 6>So no one is in charge. It's the blind leading

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<v Speaker 6>the blind.

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<v Speaker 1>I found Fortner's number and called him to ask about

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<v Speaker 1>the investigation. Hello, Hi, I'm looking for mister Tim Fortner.

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<v Speaker 1>I interrupted his evening at home. Hi, mister Fortner, my

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<v Speaker 1>name is Maggie Freeling.

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<v Speaker 6>How are you.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm well, how are you?

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<v Speaker 1>He still lives in Kentucky as far as I can tell.

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<v Speaker 1>His last gig in law enforcement was as a school

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<v Speaker 1>resource officer in another county, and he hosts a show

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<v Speaker 1>on the side for WKMS, the local public radio station.

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<v Speaker 1>I am a journalist and I am reporting on the

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<v Speaker 1>Jessica Currn case and going through the documents. You were

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<v Speaker 1>the first responding officer, So I was hoping you'd want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk. Yeah, I was, but I'm in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of dinner and I don't have to be you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing to comment on.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, cool? Appreciated. Yeah, I'm actually in town. Could I

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<v Speaker 6>meet you tomorrow? Perhaps? Well probably not?

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<v Speaker 1>Probably not as in no, and.

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<v Speaker 5>So it's.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, do you can contact the stake place? Okay?

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<v Speaker 6>And I should do appreciate your calling me.

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<v Speaker 1>A very polite no.

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<v Speaker 6>You all right?

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<v Speaker 1>You two buye. But Fortner has spoken to the press before,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's admitted that he wasn't the man for the job.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand and four, he told Tom Mangold, the

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<v Speaker 1>BBC reporter, that quote, I didn't have a clue what

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<v Speaker 1>to do next. He said, I didn't know how to

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<v Speaker 1>organize a crime scene or look for forensic evidence. Frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>I was scared stiff. He even admitted this to the Currents.

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<v Speaker 5>Told us me and my wife that he had no

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<v Speaker 5>clue what he was doing. He didn't know what he

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<v Speaker 5>was doing.

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<v Speaker 1>He tells this to you, The lead detective on your

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<v Speaker 1>daughter's homicide case, says to you, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing.

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<v Speaker 5>He said, I don't know what I'm doing. That's his words.

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<v Speaker 1>On top of that, the Mayfield Police Department was dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with a flurry of internal investigations and allegations of malfeasance.

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<v Speaker 1>The chief and assistant chief were ousted and eventually played

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<v Speaker 1>guilty to felony charges for misusing public funds, including money

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<v Speaker 1>that police had confiscated from drug arrests. Mayfield Police Department

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<v Speaker 1>was a mess. Fortner and his team had chased some leads,

0:26:16.280 --> 0:26:20.480
<v Speaker 1>interviewed many people, and pinpointed a few suspects, but it

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<v Speaker 1>all fell apart the rookie detective's first big case of failure.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand and three, Fortner quit and the Kentucky

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<v Speaker 1>State Police had to step in to take over the case.

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<v Speaker 1>The state police pursued some lines of investigation, but didn't

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<v Speaker 1>seem to get far either, and as the years went by,

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<v Speaker 1>Joe had to fight to keep his daughter's case top

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<v Speaker 1>of mind.

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<v Speaker 5>We've had protests at the courthouse several times. We've had

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<v Speaker 5>one at Mitch McConnell's office, the leading senator from Kentucky

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<v Speaker 5>in Paducah.

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<v Speaker 1>Even Reverend in Dell Sharpton's National Action Network got involved.

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<v Speaker 5>We went to Frankfurt, to the Attorney General's office, we

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<v Speaker 5>went to the FBI office, the YUS Attorney's office. We

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<v Speaker 5>didn't out all of that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But what Joe didn't know at first was that another

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<v Speaker 1>person was also growing increasingly frustrated by law enforcement failures

0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:32.359
<v Speaker 1>and decided to stop watching from the sidelines. Susan Golbreth,

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<v Speaker 1>the citizen sleuth who you met last episode, embarked on

0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:39.719
<v Speaker 1>a whole investigation of her own, and now she started

0:27:39.720 --> 0:27:43.359
<v Speaker 1>digging into the files. A name stood out, of.

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<v Speaker 10>Course, both well Quincy Ill last across.

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<v Speaker 1>After the break, Susan said she'd felt a connection to

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<v Speaker 1>Jessica Currn since the day her body was found, and

0:28:17.240 --> 0:28:19.720
<v Speaker 1>she went to look at the crime scene that she

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<v Speaker 1>was called by a divine power to help find her killer,

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<v Speaker 1>but as far as I can tell, she didn't actually

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<v Speaker 1>act on that calling until four years after the murder,

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<v Speaker 1>when Susan began talking to the Kentucky State Police and

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<v Speaker 1>getting updates on the case.

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<v Speaker 6>Susan, yeah, it's the same, and.

0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:46.360
<v Speaker 1>Started both prying on and cooperating with the investigation.

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<v Speaker 6>Hi, how are you. I'm fine. I'm surprised I had

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<v Speaker 6>heard from you.

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<v Speaker 15>Well, I've been off and I hadn't been working any

0:28:56.000 --> 0:28:56.520
<v Speaker 15>of this week.

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<v Speaker 1>In reviewing her correspondence, taper, courtings, and court testimony, I

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<v Speaker 1>found that at times the detectives kept Susan at arm's length,

0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:09.840
<v Speaker 1>but they often entertained her ideas and followed up on

0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:10.720
<v Speaker 1>her tips.

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<v Speaker 15>But Lieutenant Cannon called and said he spoke with you

0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:17.520
<v Speaker 15>and said that she had some new information or something

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<v Speaker 15>that you.

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<v Speaker 6>Wanted to know. It was the same information.

0:29:23.320 --> 0:29:27.360
<v Speaker 1>And this emboldened Susan to start conducting a parallel investigation,

0:29:28.080 --> 0:29:32.320
<v Speaker 1>even though, as she testified in court, she had no experience.

0:29:36.080 --> 0:29:39.560
<v Speaker 14>Education in the area of all no, just a lot

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<v Speaker 14>of court TV.

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<v Speaker 1>It was also around this time that Susan started working

0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:47.880
<v Speaker 1>with British journalist Tom Mangold, who flew to Mayfield in

0:29:47.920 --> 0:29:50.920
<v Speaker 1>the spring of two thousand and four, so he was.

0:29:50.880 --> 0:29:53.720
<v Speaker 14>In Mayfield for ten days when he left.

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<v Speaker 5>I continue to dig.

0:29:56.320 --> 0:29:59.440
<v Speaker 1>Susan kept digging through police records that Tom helped get,

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:03.600
<v Speaker 1>interviewing people. She even started wearing a wire.

0:30:04.400 --> 0:30:07.480
<v Speaker 14>I kept a recorder pinned to my body or duct

0:30:07.480 --> 0:30:09.600
<v Speaker 14>taped at all times.

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<v Speaker 1>All with a main suspect in mind.

0:30:12.280 --> 0:30:13.840
<v Speaker 5>Quincy became the top of the list.

0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:18.680
<v Speaker 1>Susan had seen Jessica's autopsy, pictures from the scene of

0:30:18.680 --> 0:30:21.479
<v Speaker 1>the crime and the police reports from the weekend she

0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:24.920
<v Speaker 1>was last seen alive, and there she noticed that a

0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:28.880
<v Speaker 1>man named Quincy Cross had come to town. Witnesses heard

0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:32.080
<v Speaker 1>him asking about finding girls, and he had been arrested

0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:37.280
<v Speaker 1>smelling of gas with his belt missing. So she connected

0:30:37.280 --> 0:30:37.800
<v Speaker 1>the dots.

0:30:38.640 --> 0:30:39.840
<v Speaker 5>I just know he killed her.

0:30:40.640 --> 0:30:43.120
<v Speaker 1>In an email to Tom, Susan wrote that from the

0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:46.760
<v Speaker 1>beginning she knew who the suspects were and her job

0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:54.240
<v Speaker 1>was proving it, and Tom helped her publicize her main

0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:58.320
<v Speaker 1>suspect's name, starting with his first article in the summer

0:30:58.360 --> 0:31:01.880
<v Speaker 1>of two thousand and four and subsequent reports through the years.

0:31:02.720 --> 0:31:05.720
<v Speaker 1>Here's Tom and Susan in a BBC broadcast.

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<v Speaker 8>So here was a man shortly after the murder of

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<v Speaker 8>Jessica cahnen. His black braided belt is missing because it's

0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:16.160
<v Speaker 8>round the throat of the dead girl. Correct, and he

0:31:16.200 --> 0:31:17.080
<v Speaker 8>stinks of gas.

0:31:17.440 --> 0:31:21.120
<v Speaker 17>Yes, everything just started coming together. It was like a

0:31:21.160 --> 0:31:26.120
<v Speaker 17>deca card just fallen. I really really got emotional because

0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:29.320
<v Speaker 17>I finally started feeling that there's going to be an.

0:31:29.360 --> 0:31:29.800
<v Speaker 5>End to this.

0:31:30.960 --> 0:31:34.480
<v Speaker 1>Now. Not only did Tom introduce Quincy Cross as his

0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:37.960
<v Speaker 1>main suspect in his articles, but as far as I

0:31:37.960 --> 0:31:41.480
<v Speaker 1>can tell, he was the first reporter to really hint

0:31:41.560 --> 0:31:44.440
<v Speaker 1>at the idea that there was a sexual element to

0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:48.600
<v Speaker 1>the crime against Jessica. Up until then, every time law

0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:52.440
<v Speaker 1>enforcement talked about Jessica's case to the press, they did

0:31:52.520 --> 0:31:57.760
<v Speaker 1>not mention rape or sexual assault. But Tom took those

0:31:57.760 --> 0:32:00.880
<v Speaker 1>descriptions of Quincy at the party as one and wanting

0:32:00.960 --> 0:32:06.120
<v Speaker 1>girls and wrote the Quincy's demeanor quote suggested a sexual

0:32:06.160 --> 0:32:10.840
<v Speaker 1>predator on cocaine end quote. Years later, he would go

0:32:10.960 --> 0:32:14.480
<v Speaker 1>even further, saying that early on in his reporting, he

0:32:14.560 --> 0:32:17.840
<v Speaker 1>and Susan knew something more nefarious had occurred.

0:32:18.600 --> 0:32:21.400
<v Speaker 11>We were pretty certain by now that Quincy Cross together

0:32:21.440 --> 0:32:24.720
<v Speaker 11>with other accomplices, had murdered Jessica in a sex and

0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:25.640
<v Speaker 11>drugs frenzy.

0:32:26.480 --> 0:32:30.600
<v Speaker 1>In his digging, Tom also found that a small souvenir

0:32:30.640 --> 0:32:34.240
<v Speaker 1>bat had allegedly gone missing from the car. Quincy had

0:32:34.280 --> 0:32:38.400
<v Speaker 1>borrowed a bat that, according to Tom, could have been

0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:43.080
<v Speaker 1>used to bludgeon Jessica since no other weapon had been found.

0:32:44.120 --> 0:32:47.800
<v Speaker 1>Tom and Susan shared all their findings and theories with

0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:52.200
<v Speaker 1>the police, but they were both disappointed to learn it

0:32:52.240 --> 0:32:54.640
<v Speaker 1>was not enough to make an arrest.

0:32:55.120 --> 0:32:58.160
<v Speaker 11>The Kentucky State Police were no closer to arresting the

0:32:58.200 --> 0:33:02.320
<v Speaker 11>perpetrators than their Happiness predecessors, the Mayfield.

0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:06.920
<v Speaker 1>Police, but Susan did not give up. Instead, she continued

0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:11.440
<v Speaker 1>to pursue another one of the suspects on her list, Vnesha' Stubblefield,

0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:19.360
<v Speaker 1>the last known person to see Jessica current alive. Susan

0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:23.840
<v Speaker 1>already knew Venesha from around town. Remember Mayfield is small.

0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:26.200
<v Speaker 14>I want to say the first time I met her

0:33:26.240 --> 0:33:27.680
<v Speaker 14>she was thirteen years old.

0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:31.960
<v Speaker 1>But her interactions with Venesha increased when she started investigating

0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:32.480
<v Speaker 1>the case.

0:33:33.240 --> 0:33:35.480
<v Speaker 14>After two thousand and four is when I talked to

0:33:35.520 --> 0:33:37.480
<v Speaker 14>her a whole lot more.

0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:43.200
<v Speaker 1>In their first investigation, Mayfield police suspected that Veneisha knew something,

0:33:43.560 --> 0:33:47.200
<v Speaker 1>but they never really got anywhere with her. Then came Susan.

0:33:47.560 --> 0:33:52.520
<v Speaker 1>She became convinced that Venetia had to know who killed Jessica.

0:33:52.920 --> 0:33:57.680
<v Speaker 1>The police let her off too easily. In their recorded conversations,

0:33:57.840 --> 0:34:01.440
<v Speaker 1>you mostly hear Susan talking trying to convince Vanicia to

0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:02.160
<v Speaker 1>come clean.

0:34:02.800 --> 0:34:04.800
<v Speaker 18>The reason that no one has pushed you or any

0:34:04.840 --> 0:34:06.760
<v Speaker 18>further on this for these four years is because no

0:34:06.800 --> 0:34:09.359
<v Speaker 18>one's really listened to you talk. Well, at the time

0:34:09.360 --> 0:34:10.919
<v Speaker 18>I've seen you, I listened to you talk.

0:34:11.600 --> 0:34:12.080
<v Speaker 1>I listened.

0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:14.279
<v Speaker 18>No one's done that to this point.

0:34:14.400 --> 0:34:14.640
<v Speaker 15>Wait.

0:34:14.800 --> 0:34:18.160
<v Speaker 18>Wait, that's what I'm saying. I listened to you, and

0:34:18.320 --> 0:34:20.600
<v Speaker 18>when I listen to you, I hear what you're selling

0:34:20.680 --> 0:34:24.279
<v Speaker 18>to me. I hasn't anyone has any four years.

0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:28.279
<v Speaker 1>In Susan's mind, if Vanicia knew the killer and the

0:34:28.360 --> 0:34:32.239
<v Speaker 1>killer was Quincy, then she had to get Vevoenicia to

0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:36.719
<v Speaker 1>write him out. Susan also tells Vanisiha that if she confesses,

0:34:37.239 --> 0:34:39.760
<v Speaker 1>she'll help broker a deal with police.

0:34:40.480 --> 0:34:42.160
<v Speaker 18>And honestly, when we were in the car today, I

0:34:42.239 --> 0:34:44.480
<v Speaker 18>just felt that you were going to tell me. Then

0:34:44.880 --> 0:34:47.279
<v Speaker 18>I really did. And I kept thinking, Okay, I could

0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:49.320
<v Speaker 18>go to Mills and I could say, look, she's willing

0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:51.960
<v Speaker 18>to talk, you've got to guarantee your safety and guarantee

0:34:52.000 --> 0:34:52.719
<v Speaker 18>her jail time.

0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:58.040
<v Speaker 1>But still Vansia doesn't deviate from the original story she

0:34:58.160 --> 0:35:01.799
<v Speaker 1>told police, the one about the all party playing cards

0:35:01.880 --> 0:35:04.759
<v Speaker 1>and saying goodbye to Jessica around one or two a m.

0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:12.600
<v Speaker 1>And she doesn't even admit to knowing Quincy.

0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:15.759
<v Speaker 14>I'm telling you, we know Quincy killed her, we know

0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:17.759
<v Speaker 14>we know what.

0:35:17.880 --> 0:35:21.919
<v Speaker 2>I don't get kill quick for that.

0:35:21.960 --> 0:35:23.439
<v Speaker 18>Just well, I'm talking to me, all.

0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:30.040
<v Speaker 1>Right, got here, So Susan tried another angle. If the

0:35:30.120 --> 0:35:33.480
<v Speaker 1>nishe wasn't gonna crack, then Susan would have to get

0:35:33.520 --> 0:35:36.839
<v Speaker 1>the suspected killer to confess. She would have to talk

0:35:36.880 --> 0:35:41.640
<v Speaker 1>to Quincy Cross herself. And it turns out Susan knew

0:35:41.719 --> 0:35:44.120
<v Speaker 1>one of Quincy's cousins from around town.

0:35:44.880 --> 0:35:46.560
<v Speaker 14>I would go to her house and work on her

0:35:46.560 --> 0:35:49.200
<v Speaker 14>computer in the meantime, always talk to her about Quincy,

0:35:49.920 --> 0:35:53.080
<v Speaker 14>just try to, you know, get anything I could out

0:35:53.080 --> 0:35:53.279
<v Speaker 14>of her.

0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:55.880
<v Speaker 1>And she used her to set up a meeting with

0:35:55.960 --> 0:36:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Quincy under the pretense that she was a researcher for Tom.

0:36:01.120 --> 0:36:01.799
<v Speaker 6>Which I was.

0:36:02.040 --> 0:36:05.640
<v Speaker 14>I did help to research for him. So after he

0:36:05.680 --> 0:36:08.480
<v Speaker 14>went back to London, I just kept up the speel anybody.

0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:10.600
<v Speaker 1>She even told her she could help Quincy.

0:36:11.040 --> 0:36:12.640
<v Speaker 5>I told her that I was good. I was there

0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:14.400
<v Speaker 5>that to try to clear.

0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:18.160
<v Speaker 1>His name, and Susan told the Kentucky State Police about

0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:19.719
<v Speaker 1>her planned sting operation.

0:36:20.600 --> 0:36:24.359
<v Speaker 14>I called Kentucky State Police and invited them to help

0:36:24.400 --> 0:36:24.799
<v Speaker 14>me on that.

0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:28.960
<v Speaker 1>The police did indeed help her. They gave her a

0:36:29.000 --> 0:36:31.799
<v Speaker 1>cell phone to record and a few officers to wait

0:36:31.840 --> 0:36:33.640
<v Speaker 1>outside of the house for protection.

0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:36.439
<v Speaker 14>Was all set up very professionally.

0:36:37.280 --> 0:36:37.480
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:36:38.120 --> 0:36:41.439
<v Speaker 14>We had code words I had if I needed any

0:36:41.480 --> 0:36:45.200
<v Speaker 14>assistance from them, I had my code rounds were I

0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:48.400
<v Speaker 14>wish my big brother was here and they would be

0:36:48.400 --> 0:36:51.160
<v Speaker 14>come right into the residents.

0:36:51.880 --> 0:36:56.040
<v Speaker 1>Quincy did not know he was being recorded. I don't

0:36:56.120 --> 0:36:59.000
<v Speaker 1>have the recording. I asked law enforcement for it and

0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:02.200
<v Speaker 1>they said they can't find it. But according to Susan's

0:37:02.239 --> 0:37:06.560
<v Speaker 1>court testimony, a transcript, and a police report, these are

0:37:06.560 --> 0:37:10.640
<v Speaker 1>some of the things. Quincy allegedly says that he was

0:37:10.680 --> 0:37:13.040
<v Speaker 1>wearing a sweatsuit that night, yes, that.

0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:14.640
<v Speaker 14>He didn't have a belt, and that he was wearing

0:37:14.640 --> 0:37:16.000
<v Speaker 14>a jogging outfit.

0:37:16.320 --> 0:37:18.880
<v Speaker 1>But then he says they kept his belt at the

0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:24.560
<v Speaker 1>jail when he was arrested. Then, according to Susan, Quincy

0:37:24.640 --> 0:37:26.839
<v Speaker 1>says that as soon as they smelled gas on him,

0:37:27.200 --> 0:37:30.320
<v Speaker 1>he knew police would blame him for what had happened,

0:37:31.400 --> 0:37:34.440
<v Speaker 1>and Susan perked up at this Was this a confession

0:37:34.800 --> 0:37:38.120
<v Speaker 1>a slip? How did he know that night that a

0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:44.880
<v Speaker 1>girl had been burned unless he was there? Tom Mingled

0:37:45.120 --> 0:37:47.040
<v Speaker 1>also thought she'd struck gold.

0:37:48.000 --> 0:37:50.160
<v Speaker 11>She didn't get a full confession, but she got an

0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:55.040
<v Speaker 11>interview which contained self incriminating remarks. She'd made more progress

0:37:55.040 --> 0:37:57.399
<v Speaker 11>in a day than the police agencies have made him

0:37:57.480 --> 0:37:58.400
<v Speaker 11>five years.

0:37:59.360 --> 0:38:05.120
<v Speaker 1>But still no arrests. Another failed plan in Susan's citizen investigation,

0:38:05.719 --> 0:38:09.640
<v Speaker 1>and another year with no major inroads by the Kentucky

0:38:09.680 --> 0:38:14.279
<v Speaker 1>State Police until the Kentucky Attorney General stepped in a

0:38:14.400 --> 0:38:17.319
<v Speaker 1>year later in two thousand and six, with a new

0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:20.600
<v Speaker 1>set of agents and brand new set of ears for

0:38:20.719 --> 0:38:25.319
<v Speaker 1>Susan goalbreath. Around this time, Susan was pursuing what would

0:38:25.360 --> 0:38:29.560
<v Speaker 1>be her final scheme. With a little help from the Internet.

0:38:30.080 --> 0:38:32.000
<v Speaker 1>She set up a MySpace account.

0:38:32.760 --> 0:38:36.719
<v Speaker 14>It's titled Murdered Jessica Curran at MySpace.

0:38:37.920 --> 0:38:41.800
<v Speaker 1>This was pre Facebook being widely available, and Susan used

0:38:41.800 --> 0:38:45.040
<v Speaker 1>the page to track down anyone from Mayfield and add

0:38:45.040 --> 0:38:48.480
<v Speaker 1>them as a friend. That's how she first made contact

0:38:48.760 --> 0:38:52.680
<v Speaker 1>with Victoria Caldwell, the state's main witness you heard from

0:38:52.760 --> 0:38:56.680
<v Speaker 1>last episode, the one who eventually confessed to being an

0:38:56.680 --> 0:39:02.880
<v Speaker 1>accomplice to the crime. The first message between them that

0:39:02.920 --> 0:39:05.960
<v Speaker 1>we have a record of is from January two thousand

0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:09.920
<v Speaker 1>and seven. Here's Victoria reading that message for Tom's piece

0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:11.240
<v Speaker 1>on the BBC.

0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:15.359
<v Speaker 19>In January twenty four, two thousand and seven. I don't

0:39:15.400 --> 0:39:18.600
<v Speaker 19>want anyone to find me. I am afraid from my life.

0:39:18.760 --> 0:39:21.520
<v Speaker 19>I'm sorry about what happened. I will help the police

0:39:21.520 --> 0:39:24.279
<v Speaker 19>as much as I can, but I really don't know

0:39:24.320 --> 0:39:27.680
<v Speaker 19>who to trust. I am afraid someone might kill me

0:39:27.760 --> 0:39:29.520
<v Speaker 19>if I testify to things about this.

0:39:32.360 --> 0:39:35.600
<v Speaker 1>Victoria was living in California at the time, far away

0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:39.719
<v Speaker 1>from Mayfield, apparently in hiding, and Victoria turned out to

0:39:39.760 --> 0:39:43.400
<v Speaker 1>be Susan's missing puzzle piece. She would not only point

0:39:43.440 --> 0:39:47.239
<v Speaker 1>the finger at Quincy, but at many others, including her

0:39:47.280 --> 0:39:51.120
<v Speaker 1>own family, and her story would find a captive audience

0:39:51.239 --> 0:39:58.200
<v Speaker 1>in the investigators from the Attorney General's office. Sometime after

0:39:58.239 --> 0:40:01.839
<v Speaker 1>Tom Mangold published his first p on Jessica's killing, her

0:40:01.920 --> 0:40:05.920
<v Speaker 1>father Joe Curran told a local TV news station that

0:40:06.040 --> 0:40:10.040
<v Speaker 1>he thought maybe this was it. Finally they were getting

0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:14.400
<v Speaker 1>closer to solving his daughter's murder, thanks in part to

0:40:14.480 --> 0:40:16.000
<v Speaker 1>a journalist from England.

0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:19.960
<v Speaker 15>This gentleman had come over here and investigated about a

0:40:20.000 --> 0:40:22.520
<v Speaker 15>week or ten days on this case. He had found

0:40:22.600 --> 0:40:26.320
<v Speaker 15>several pieces of information that hadn't been discovered and hadn't

0:40:26.320 --> 0:40:28.759
<v Speaker 15>been checked out. Wouldn't make no police had the case.

0:40:29.719 --> 0:40:33.319
<v Speaker 1>All the information Tom and Susan uncovered was stuff the

0:40:33.400 --> 0:40:38.320
<v Speaker 1>original investigators with the Mayfield Police Department had, but according

0:40:38.360 --> 0:40:41.800
<v Speaker 1>to Susan, the police had missed it, either on purpose

0:40:42.280 --> 0:40:50.680
<v Speaker 1>or because of ineptitude. Tom and Susan took a few threads,

0:40:51.080 --> 0:40:55.200
<v Speaker 1>a belt, a gas can, a missing miniature bat, and

0:40:55.239 --> 0:40:58.600
<v Speaker 1>they used them to weave together a story, one that

0:40:58.719 --> 0:41:02.840
<v Speaker 1>was incomplete and till Victoria showed up. And all I

0:41:02.880 --> 0:41:06.040
<v Speaker 1>have right now is Quincy's account saying he was just

0:41:06.120 --> 0:41:08.840
<v Speaker 1>at a party that day, took a drive, got lost,

0:41:09.400 --> 0:41:11.440
<v Speaker 1>and then the car ran out of gas and he

0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:16.080
<v Speaker 1>got arrested. But the problem with people's stories is they

0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:20.680
<v Speaker 1>can be inconsistent. So I call my producer Rebecca to

0:41:20.760 --> 0:41:23.279
<v Speaker 1>discuss a few things that are nagging at me.

0:41:23.719 --> 0:41:24.560
<v Speaker 6>Hello Maggie.

0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:25.440
<v Speaker 5>Hello.

0:41:25.960 --> 0:41:29.480
<v Speaker 1>So, first, Quincy told me he left the party to

0:41:29.520 --> 0:41:32.640
<v Speaker 1>go find something to eat, but none of the other

0:41:32.760 --> 0:41:36.320
<v Speaker 1>party goers seem to have ever supported that claim.

0:41:36.400 --> 0:41:39.000
<v Speaker 9>And one of the also only consistent things is that

0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:42.319
<v Speaker 9>the entire night Quincy is saying I'm going to find girls,

0:41:42.360 --> 0:41:44.080
<v Speaker 9>I'm going to find goals and he took the car

0:41:44.120 --> 0:41:46.960
<v Speaker 9>to go find one of his girls. That has been

0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:49.840
<v Speaker 9>consistent from the beginning, which is also kind of sketch

0:41:49.920 --> 0:41:52.360
<v Speaker 9>because it's like, he again told me he went to

0:41:52.360 --> 0:41:52.840
<v Speaker 9>get food.

0:41:53.760 --> 0:41:58.279
<v Speaker 7>I think either Quincy is misremembering, or he was like, well,

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<v Speaker 7>I was also hungry, or he's like, no, that makes

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<v Speaker 7>me sound creepy and bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think he thinks it makes me sound back.

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<v Speaker 1>And again, that's just really sketchy.

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<v Speaker 9>That a girl goes missing, you're driving around like, I

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<v Speaker 9>get it, I get why they're onto him.

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<v Speaker 1>Second, the infamous belt. According to police records, Quincy wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>arrested wearing a belt, but.

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<v Speaker 9>Then he also says the police kept his belt.

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<v Speaker 1>He also told Dara this.

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<v Speaker 9>By the way, Dara's like, no, the police kept his

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<v Speaker 9>belt once he was arrested, and I was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 9>what belts?

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<v Speaker 1>What are we even talking about right now? Lastly, the gas.

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<v Speaker 1>We know Quincy smelled like gas and the jailer saw

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<v Speaker 1>Quincy spilled gas on himself, but I haven't been able

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<v Speaker 1>to corroborate where the gas came from or what exactly

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<v Speaker 1>he was doing in the time he left the party

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<v Speaker 1>and his car stalled, Like this is where the breakdown

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<v Speaker 1>all happens.

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<v Speaker 9>So this is where I'm like, this is this is

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<v Speaker 9>where Quincy gets pinged because of the belt and the gas,

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<v Speaker 9>and like, what is the truth?

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<v Speaker 6>Do you think Quincy Cross killed Jessica Kurran No, I

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<v Speaker 6>don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>On the next episode and I told Joe.

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<v Speaker 2>Current that day, I said, if I'm elected, I will

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<v Speaker 2>be my best to solve that case.

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<v Speaker 7>We're here to product an interview with Tambra Calwell, you

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<v Speaker 7>presently located in the conference room of the Druid Sweeps.

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<v Speaker 7>It brought down the defenses of the people they were

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<v Speaker 7>interviewing because you're in a hotel, you're not in a

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<v Speaker 7>police station.

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<v Speaker 6>Everyone felt like, what the Fuck's.

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<v Speaker 10>Happening, but just to sit there and to see the

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<v Speaker 10>kangaroo cord that they've done.

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<v Speaker 5>They would not even let.

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<v Speaker 10>Us sit through picking the jeer that kicked us out

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<v Speaker 10>of the court room.

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