Speaker 1: Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we dive
Speaker 1: into the issues shaping our nation with unfiltered insight and
Speaker 1: bold perspectives. Today we have John McLoughlin and we're now
Speaker 1: Polster and CEO McLoughlin Associates joining us. He's also been
Speaker 1: a pollster for President Trump and has advised him. So
Speaker 1: we're going to break down the latest Where is President
Speaker 1: Trump's polling stand today? Are his core voters with him?
Speaker 1: We'll also unpack that post Liberation Day dip, how real
Speaker 1: is it? And how are his tariffs polling? Plus, so
Speaker 1: the midterms looming will compare President Trump's current positioning to
Speaker 1: where we was in twenty eighteen. Also what's going to
Speaker 1: happen in the midterm elections and beyond that, looking at
Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight can the Republican Party keep the America
Speaker 1: First Coalition together? Buckle up, We've got a lot to discuss.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for John McLoughlin. John, it's great to have
Speaker 1: you back on this show. I don't know if I
Speaker 1: have I had you on since Trump won. I know
Speaker 1: we had you on before the election. I don't remember.
Speaker 2: It's all a blur.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a positive blur. But yeah, a lot, a
Speaker 1: lot's changed obviously. I guess we'll start kind of like
Speaker 1: big picture, where where does President Trump's approval rating and
Speaker 1: polling stand today.
Speaker 2: By the way, my surveys, we ask it differently than
Speaker 2: a lot of these other ones. We ask it like
Speaker 2: we did in the campaign, where we'll ask to approve
Speaker 2: of both his policies and personality just as policies, but
Speaker 2: disapprove his personality or disapprove both. And we used it
Speaker 2: that way because his policies are more popular than his personality.
Speaker 2: He doesn't get a fair shake from the you know,
Speaker 2: the left wing legacy media where you know, no matter
Speaker 2: what he does, you know, cn AN, MSNBC, you know,
Speaker 2: the ABC, the rest of them are attacking him. But
Speaker 2: his policies are very popular. So we used his policies
Speaker 2: during the campaign to raise up favorable rating and that's
Speaker 2: how we won the popular vote and swept the battleground states.
Speaker 2: So we still ask it like that. And April twenty ninth, yeah,
Speaker 2: we had a survey where he had a fifty percent
Speaker 2: approval rating forty five discip group. Now some of the
Speaker 2: other media polls are catching up with this, where if
Speaker 2: you go to the real clear politics average, you'll see
Speaker 2: poles like insire Advantage, grass Mustin Group, grass Musse and
Speaker 2: reports Harvard Harris. They're catching up with our poll because
Speaker 2: he had a great trip to the Middle East. He's
Speaker 2: trying to end the Russia Ukraine War, and he's moving along.
Speaker 2: What's fundamental is he's moving along the one big beautiful bill,
Speaker 2: which is the Make a Mortal America Affordable Act again,
Speaker 2: which the voters know that that will make their lives better,
Speaker 2: that we will be able to grow the economy, which
Speaker 2: will help them deal with inflation, reduce their concerns with inflation.
Speaker 2: They'll have real economic growth again, and they'll have no
Speaker 2: tax on tips, no tax on over time, they'll have
Speaker 2: the Trump tax cuts will being made permanent. And what's
Speaker 2: important about that, By the way, related to your first
Speaker 2: question about his joverpool, we just did a poll of
Speaker 2: one thousand likely voters for twenty twenty six for the
Speaker 2: Club for Growth in thirty five targeted Republican battleground congressional districts,
Speaker 2: and there Trump has a fifty five approval rating forty
Speaker 2: three disapproval, So you know he's going to help them.
Speaker 2: He's the path to define history and winning the midterm elections.
Speaker 2: And it's critical that we get his tax cuts passed
Speaker 2: because in those districts you actually had forty three percent
Speaker 2: of all voters telling us they were not aware that
Speaker 2: Trump tax cuts are going to lapse. We did that.
Speaker 2: We asked that question nationally for the Chamber of Commerce
Speaker 2: in February, and forty nine percent of all voters were
Speaker 2: not aware the Trump tax cuts are going to lapse,
Speaker 2: and when they do become aware, they absolutely want the
Speaker 2: Trump tax cuts made permit. And the Chamber poll nationally
Speaker 2: was sixty four to twenty in this poll of the
Speaker 2: targeted battlegrounds congressional districts, when you tell them that that
Speaker 2: there's going to be a tax increase, because if the
Speaker 2: Trump tax cuts lapse, you will have the largest tax
Speaker 2: increase in the history of America. It'll be a four
Speaker 2: point five trillion dollar tax increase, and for every American
Speaker 2: it'll be two thousand dollars more than you're paying in taxes.
Speaker 2: And when we ask people, you know, do they support
Speaker 2: stopping those tax increase or allowing the taxes to increase
Speaker 2: in these congressional districts that the Club for Growth took
Speaker 2: seventy six to twelve. They want to stop the tax
Speaker 2: increase because after four years of Biden, you cannot take
Speaker 2: a massive tax increase because you've been racked by inflation
Speaker 2: for four years. You know, your your your gas, your gas,
Speaker 2: your food, your mortgage, your rent, your utility bills all
Speaker 2: question more than it did four years ago. And people
Speaker 2: just just do not need a big tax bill on
Speaker 2: top of that.
Speaker 1: It's why. Okay, So I guess one thing I'm trying
Speaker 1: to figure out is, you know, obviously, you know you've
Speaker 1: worked in politics a long time. We're far out from
Speaker 1: the midterms, right, so it's it's hard to really gauge
Speaker 1: what's going on at this point in the game. But
Speaker 1: we know President Trump won't be on the ballot. We
Speaker 1: know that the Democrats approval rating has hit rock bottom.
Speaker 1: You know, they've they've had trouble and pulling, but yet
Speaker 1: they're leading on the congressional ballot if you look at
Speaker 1: the real clear politics average. So what do you make
Speaker 1: of that disconnect? And I guess if you were to
Speaker 1: read the tea leaves for the midterms today, obviously knowing
Speaker 1: that today is just a snapshot in time and a
Speaker 1: lot could change. You know, what are you seeing and
Speaker 1: kind of how do you read read all that?
Speaker 2: Well, let me get technical on your first with those
Speaker 2: polls that please because on our website at mclochlan online
Speaker 2: dot com, we track the congressional ballot every month. We
Speaker 2: were right in the last two congressionals because we use
Speaker 2: a likely voter model and we base it on the
Speaker 2: exit poles from the previous elections. Plus you know, voter data,
Speaker 2: and we call voters and we contact voters online that
Speaker 2: we know are going to vote, and we screen for
Speaker 2: likely voters. So we've got a history of being right
Speaker 2: and Donald Trump proved it in the last election that
Speaker 2: when we won the popular vote, swept the battle, I says,
Speaker 2: it's all on our website at McGlocklin online dot com.
Speaker 2: But with that, you go to these media polls that
Speaker 2: have us losing the congressional ballot. They don't have enough
Speaker 2: Trump voters in them. I mean, you go back to
Speaker 2: the one hundred day polls when they came out and
Speaker 2: they were saying, oh, his job writing's you know, going
Speaker 2: way down, et cetera. These are the same polls that
Speaker 2: Harris was going to be president. These are the same
Speaker 2: polls that there was a Hillary lock, that there was
Speaker 2: a Biden blue wave when he only won by forty
Speaker 2: four thousand votes in three states. And let me tell
Speaker 2: you what they do in those polls.
Speaker 1: Is that intentional?
Speaker 2: Yes, it's intentional. These people are too smart because one
Speaker 2: time in twenty twenty election, when when Washington Post ABC
Speaker 2: had us down seventeen a week out from Wisconsin, which
Speaker 2: was out of three million votes decided by twenty thousand,
Speaker 2: they said we were down seventeen. President Trump called me
Speaker 2: in the morning and said, what's the matter with that? Paul?
Speaker 2: He said, they skewed it against you? And he said
Speaker 2: they would do that. I said, sure, they hate you.
Speaker 2: They want you to lose. It's just like the Desboine register. Paul.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I was just thinking that. I'm just
Speaker 1: going to mention that going it was.
Speaker 2: I mean that Paul I had to write a memo
Speaker 2: for Susie Whiles to so she could give it to
Speaker 2: him to tell him it was a bay of poll.
Speaker 2: And he was fine with that. But what they did is,
Speaker 2: let me tell you, these two recent ones were starting again.
Speaker 2: And when you go check the internals and the polls,
Speaker 2: when you looked at the New York Times poll, out
Speaker 2: of the votes that they had there was thirty seven
Speaker 2: percent Trump voters. We won fifty percent of the popular vote.
Speaker 2: They've put in a whole bunch of Like there was
Speaker 2: eight hundred and forty two in the New York Times poll.
Speaker 2: There was eight hundred and forty two Trump voters out
Speaker 2: of two thousand, four hundred and sixty four adults that
Speaker 2: they interviewed. So they interview adults, they screened down for
Speaker 2: alleged registered voters. They could be polling legal immigrants for
Speaker 2: all we know. But they only have thirty seven percent
Speaker 2: Trump voters. We won by two points, fifty to forty eight.
Speaker 2: So they have a bad model, and they're doing it
Speaker 2: deliberately because they know for every Trump voter they take
Speaker 2: out of the poll, they're taking out a point on
Speaker 2: his jobapool. And by the way, ABC Washington Post was
Speaker 2: worse because they only had thirty four percent Trump voters
Speaker 2: in their poll. So when I see these poles like
Speaker 2: Reuter's zipsos, they're not They're less transparent than those other
Speaker 2: two poles. They won't tell you who voted for Trump
Speaker 2: and who didn't vote for Trump. They hide a lot
Speaker 2: of the demographics party, but they're skewing the polls by
Speaker 2: diluting them with voter with adults or non voters who
Speaker 2: they who they know don't like Trump. Now, our polls
Speaker 2: are different that we did. In international poll that we
Speaker 2: did April twenty ninth, we had the Republicans ahead in
Speaker 2: the generic ballot forty five to forty three among a
Speaker 2: thousand likely voters nationwide, and in this poll the Battleground
Speaker 2: State Pole for the Club for Growth on the battleground
Speaker 2: congressional districts, it was forty eight to forty three. That
Speaker 2: would concern me still as a Republican because you're a
Speaker 2: year after the midterm, you're the incumbent majority in the House,
Speaker 2: in the Senate, and you're under fifty. You need to
Speaker 2: get it over fifty. And I'll tell you what's interesting
Speaker 2: to me is in twenty sevent in December twenty seventeen,
Speaker 2: President Trump called me as he was working to pass
Speaker 2: his tax cuts, and I said to him, why did
Speaker 2: you do healthcare? First? Healthcare? And he told me he
Speaker 2: said Speaker Ryan and Senate Leader McConnell had told him
Speaker 2: they needed the savings from healthcare to afford the tax cuts.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I'll tell you who can't afford taxes,
Speaker 2: and that's your voters, and they won tax cuts. He
Speaker 2: should have done the tax cuts first, because when they
Speaker 2: passed it in December, it didn't go into effect until
Speaker 2: after the midterm election, and we lost both the House
Speaker 2: and Senate and he got impeached. But then when he
Speaker 2: was running for reelection, the economy was booming back until
Speaker 2: COVID hit, and he created millions of jobs as promised.
Speaker 2: Because there's Tax Cut Jobs Act, that's the tax cut
Speaker 2: that's going to lapse that helped create these millions of
Speaker 2: jobs and get people to earn better pay. The difference
Speaker 2: is he's pushing for it now because we're taking a
Speaker 2: page out of the two thousand and two midterms. After
Speaker 2: nine to eleven, George W. Bush had to pump the
Speaker 2: economy full of money so that we didn't go into
Speaker 2: a recession, and he also passed a tax cut that
Speaker 2: was time to go into effect in the second quarter. Now,
Speaker 2: that fall out of the hundred House of Delegates in
Speaker 2: Virginia because we were pulling for the RNC chairman Jim Gilmore,
Speaker 2: out of the hundred seats, we went up from fifty
Speaker 2: two to sixty four because the economy was growing. And
Speaker 2: then in the election year we had we picked up
Speaker 2: two Senate seats in the midterm elections in two thousand
Speaker 2: and two, and we picked up eight House seats and
Speaker 2: any time majorities because the economy was growing. So right now,
Speaker 2: if we don't, if we don't make the Trump tax
Speaker 2: cuts permanent, you will see my friend Steve Forbes says,
Speaker 2: you won't just see a recession, you'll see a depression
Speaker 2: because of that massive taxire And the Democrats know. The
Speaker 2: most interesting part to me is the Democrats have voted
Speaker 2: against the budget framework to pass the tax cuts, to
Speaker 2: make the Trump tax cuts permanent, every member of the House,
Speaker 2: every member of the Senate. So they voted. They're on
Speaker 2: record for the largest tax increase in the history of
Speaker 2: the United States. And the Republicans are making a huge
Speaker 2: mistake by fighting among themselves and not holding them accountable
Speaker 2: for that. And President Trump started taking it to them.
Speaker 2: He did it at Michigan when he spoke at his rally.
Speaker 2: He's been taking the Democrats to task that they want
Speaker 2: this tax increase that the Club for Growth poll says
Speaker 2: three quarters of the voters in the key districts of
Speaker 2: Congress don't want that to happen. So Trump's holding them accountable.
Speaker 2: And you saw a break among the Democrats yesterday in
Speaker 2: the Senate where they passed a bill unanimously for no
Speaker 2: taxes on tips. And so they know that. We know,
Speaker 2: like from December, we had a poll seventy one percent
Speaker 2: of all Americans support no taxes on tips. So the
Speaker 2: Democrats are getting back to the same polls and they're like,
Speaker 2: we better hop on board that no tax on tips,
Speaker 2: no tax on overtime, no tax on social Security. If
Speaker 2: the Republicans stay united and pass their tax cuts, you
Speaker 2: may see some Democrats starting to bail out on their
Speaker 2: position of being in favor of tax increases versus tax cuts.
Speaker 2: And by the way, this is how we beat Kamala
Speaker 2: Harris last year in the battleground states. When she was
Speaker 2: saying she won a middle class tax cup, but she
Speaker 2: was going to let the Trump tax cuts laps. We
Speaker 2: just hit her for supporting tax increases because it would
Speaker 2: hit small businesses, it would hit farms, farmers would be
Speaker 2: hit with a lot more average taxpayers would have paid
Speaker 2: a lot more money. If she was elected president, we'd
Speaker 2: be real trouble right now if she was elected president.
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Speaker 1: obviously we saw him build a really interesting coalition to
Speaker 1: get them past the finish line and the well to
Speaker 1: not even get them past the finish line to win
Speaker 1: the popular vote. Are those groups still with him? Because
Speaker 1: you know, obviously he has created a coalition that looks
Speaker 1: much different than previous Republican coalitions. Are they still with
Speaker 1: him today?
Speaker 2: His base is still with him. I mean, if you
Speaker 2: support him, you know, like, as I'm looking at this, uh,
Speaker 2: as I'm looking at the Battleground survey of Battleground Congressional
Speaker 2: district survey from the Club for Growth, ninety four percent
Speaker 2: of the people that votes were Trump approved the job
Speaker 2: he's doing. So it's virtually the same number. It's totally intact.
Speaker 2: So if you supported and by the way, our national
Speaker 2: number fifty percent approved, that's not his popular voute. So
Speaker 2: his base is still with him, and it's rock solid.
Speaker 2: There's some voters we could be getting that we're not
Speaker 2: getting right now that approve of the job he's doing
Speaker 2: but didn't vote for him. And and by the way,
Speaker 2: the key groups you're talking about that joined their coalition
Speaker 2: to get us to fifty percent. It wasn't the usual
Speaker 2: groups we were targeting three years out. We were targeting
Speaker 2: Hispanic voters. He got forty six percent of the Hispanic
Speaker 2: voter record for Republic and two points sided than George W.
Speaker 2: Bush got in two thousand and four. He got twenty
Speaker 2: one percent of the African American vote. We were targeted
Speaker 2: three years out among African American men, twenty one percent
Speaker 2: he got. He won higher percentage of younger voters and
Speaker 2: younger voters. He's still doing very well within the polls
Speaker 2: right now because it's better than what they have, better
Speaker 2: opportunities and a little better life and more hope than
Speaker 2: what they were doing with Joe Biden. Plus, we also
Speaker 2: did well in the suburbs with suburban women because we
Speaker 2: were telling them, you know, Kamala Harris was going to
Speaker 2: attach your four to one caves and your homes with
Speaker 2: that unrealized capital gains tax. So we were do And
Speaker 2: Plus the other thing too is there were cultural She's
Speaker 2: like men in girls' locker rooms, in girls sports. That
Speaker 2: really drove a lot of suburban moms. A lot of
Speaker 2: what I call suburban sports moms. They were coming to
Speaker 2: us significantly because of that issue. But going back to
Speaker 2: your point about the coalition, we only rented them in
Speaker 2: the last election. We don't own those groups. We have
Speaker 2: to earn their support now. And the Republicans in Congress
Speaker 2: actually lag Trump's approval rating, and Trump they see as
Speaker 2: somebody who's fighting for them. The Republicans in Congress, whether
Speaker 2: they're in the Senate or they're in the House, to
Speaker 2: keep their majorities without Trump being on the ballot, they
Speaker 2: need to pass the legislation like this, like this tax
Speaker 2: cut bill, make it permanent, grow the economy. They also
Speaker 2: need to they need to do other things to make
Speaker 2: people's lives easier. And you know, I mean there's some
Speaker 2: things there where when you look at what's going on
Speaker 2: with the you know, when you look at what's going
Speaker 2: on with these cultural issues, whether whether it's immigration, whether
Speaker 2: it's you know, man and girls sports, I mean, the
Speaker 2: Republicans in Congress need to follow Trump's leads on those
Speaker 2: issues to get those groups back because we don't have
Speaker 2: those groups right now. When you're looking at the Republican
Speaker 2: generic bot of Congress at forty five, we don't have them,
Speaker 2: and we need to go get them.
Speaker 1: Well, it's also you know, obviously, historically the party in
Speaker 1: charge loses seats in the House in the midterms, and
Speaker 1: we saw during twenty eighteen, during President Trump's first midterm,
Speaker 1: Democrats were able to gain a net of forty one seats,
Speaker 1: winning back the House. I mean, I know the environment
Speaker 1: is different today than it was then, but does that concern.
Speaker 2: You at all? It does. I mean, because if we
Speaker 2: don't get if we don't have a grown economy, if
Speaker 2: we don't keep America at peace and prosperous, if we
Speaker 2: have if people are feeling insecure. I mean, the greatest
Speaker 2: success President Trump has had so far as absolutely security
Speaker 2: the border, supporting illegal criminal legal immigrants. I mean, the
Speaker 2: Democrats are defending human traffickers. I know, Sorry, I can't.
Speaker 2: It's just it's it's it's unbelievable that they could do that.
Speaker 2: But we have them doing that. And Marco Rubio was
Speaker 2: great yesterday as Secretary of State when he was rebutting
Speaker 2: Center von Holland from Maryland, and uh, you know, so
Speaker 2: we have to. And the other part too, is the
Speaker 2: mainstream media that doesn't like Trump. They're all in I'm
Speaker 2: blaming Joe Biden. Now they've discovered that he was totally incapacitated,
Speaker 2: you know, but he left this mess and Donald Trump
Speaker 2: was trying to dig us out of the mess of
Speaker 2: wars in the Middle East, in Ukraine, and the open
Speaker 2: border where you still have millions of illegal immigrants and
Speaker 2: many of them criminal. Plus, I mean, in this budget
Speaker 2: deal you have the the Republicans have made provisions that
Speaker 2: if you're an a llegal immigrant, you shouldn't be on Medicaid.
Speaker 2: Why should American taxpayers can't afford their own food every day,
Speaker 2: their their own court, their own cost of living, their
Speaker 2: own healthcare, why should they be asked to pay for
Speaker 2: the healthcare of somebody who came here illegally. So and
Speaker 2: that's a very popular provision to have that Medicare reform.
Speaker 2: Plus the other is workfair. You've got able bodied adults
Speaker 2: who are getting free medicaid at the other taxpayer's expensive
Speaker 2: don't have to work, look for work and TENK college
Speaker 2: or whatever. You know. We need those workfare provisions because
Speaker 2: they're very popular where we have, you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: when we in that Club for Growth survey, when we
Speaker 2: have sixty eight to twenty three supporter a federal law
Speaker 2: that stops states from US state tax payer money to
Speaker 2: get Medicaid benefits to illegal immigrants. That's a big number.
Speaker 2: And seventy nine to sixteen support requiring able bodied adults
Speaker 2: to work, be looking for a job, for attending school
Speaker 2: in order to receive taxpayer fund and benefits like Medicaid,
Speaker 2: food stamps, or income assistants. So those reforms are critical.
Speaker 2: By the way, I heard in this bill from New Gingridge.
Speaker 2: He told me that they could get more savings because
Speaker 2: the workfare requirement doesn't go into effect until twenty twenty
Speaker 2: nine if the Trumps president, who in their minds would
Speaker 2: not want workfair to go into effect right now, But
Speaker 2: I guess inside the Potomac that makes sense to people.
Speaker 2: So a lot of Democrats, we got to put pressure
Speaker 2: on them and play offense, hold them accountable for this
Speaker 2: there because we don't want to, you know, we don't
Speaker 2: want people who aren't working, who could be working, to
Speaker 2: be receiving free benefits. And we don't want illegal immigrants
Speaker 2: to receiving benefits that Americans can't even afford themselves.
Speaker 1: We've got to take a quick Marciall break more with
Speaker 1: John in a moment. One thing I worry about as well,
Speaker 1: because President Trump's coalition is just so unique to him.
Speaker 1: Can Republicans carry the America First mantle moving forward and
Speaker 1: pull a similar coalition together until I was twenty eight?
Speaker 2: They can, but they have to work at it with
Speaker 2: these issues, because the key thing is you've seen it
Speaker 2: in this year's elections back on April first, when you
Speaker 2: had a statewide election in Wisconsin for a conservative state
Speaker 2: Supreme Court judge versus a liberal. Donald Trump last November
Speaker 2: got one point seven million votes in Wisconsin and won
Speaker 2: the state. There was a lower turnout in that election
Speaker 2: for that state Supreme Court judge, but the conservative only
Speaker 2: got a million votes that got beat. So seven hundred
Speaker 2: thousand Trump voters stayed home, and even though they carried
Speaker 2: the special elections on the same day in Florida, won
Speaker 2: the congressional district in Florida six the congressional districts. Instead
Speaker 2: of winning two to one like Donald Trump did and
Speaker 2: the previous members of Congress did in those districts, it
Speaker 2: was closer. It was more like a twenty point lead.
Speaker 2: So you had over one hundred thousand Trump voters in
Speaker 2: both districts who voted the previous November to stay home.
Speaker 2: So if you don't have an issue agenda like Donald
Speaker 2: Trump that motivates people and excites people, this is not
Speaker 2: a cult of personality. It's a cult of passionate and
Speaker 2: a cult about issues. Well, I wouldn't even call it
Speaker 2: a cult. It's more a movement, as the President described
Speaker 2: it as a movement. But when he started running, and
Speaker 2: we've advised him since twenty eleven, when he first started
Speaker 2: looking at running in twenty twelve, but then he put
Speaker 2: it off till twenty fifteen. But when he announced in
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, he announced on immigration and traded never looked back.
Speaker 2: He's been you know, America first from the get go,
Speaker 2: and then during the primaries, when you know, we were
Speaker 2: talking at his office. He says, they got to need
Speaker 2: the tax cut. I said, yes, you do, and he
Speaker 2: said you're writing and I said you're writing in a
Speaker 2: Republican primary. Tax cuts among Republicans means economic growth, and
Speaker 2: he's a businessman. He understood that better than anybody. And
Speaker 2: his tax cut during his first term was probably the
Speaker 2: most important success foundational success he had, because that gave
Speaker 2: us the economic engine to grow out of the COVID pandemic.
Speaker 2: It was already work and he would have won reelection.
Speaker 2: Jesus it was me we had In March eleventh of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, I was going into the Oval Office with
Speaker 2: Jared Kushner and Brad PARSKEALTONI for Brazil and Bill STEPPI
Speaker 2: and others, and we were going to go through the
Speaker 2: most recent polling. And the President gets up from the
Speaker 2: resolute desk and he says, I think I have to
Speaker 2: close travel to Europe because of COVID. That's too bad.
Speaker 2: These polls have you winning easily and change, I mean
Speaker 2: changed history. But by the way, some of us not
Speaker 2: actually think we won that election anyway, but we certainly
Speaker 2: won the last one decisively. And economic growth, the promise
Speaker 2: of economic growth is the foundation to you know, to
Speaker 2: make all these other things happen, just like with Ronald Reagan.
Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan well collapse the Soviet Empire because his tax
Speaker 2: cuts grew the American economy, and America had the economic
Speaker 2: power to win the Cold War without firing a shot.
Speaker 1: You know, before we go, are the tariffs of trouble
Speaker 1: spot or you know, how do they pull or are
Speaker 1: they being messaged correctlys.
Speaker 2: Are a more complex message because I know that's why
Speaker 2: I worry about it. It's, you know, right now, the
Speaker 2: President's base is solid. They think they understand what he's doing.
Speaker 2: He's trying to save American jobs, keep manufacturing here. They
Speaker 2: guess less dependent on foreign you know, foreign products that
Speaker 2: we can't rely on because we saw that during COVID
Speaker 2: with the supply chain. So they understand what he's doing,
Speaker 2: and the majority voters do support him for those reasons. However,
Speaker 2: it's more complex because every country is a different deal.
Speaker 2: And you know, in a way, I kind of wish
Speaker 2: he'd done the tax cuts first and then the tariffs,
Speaker 2: but you know, it is what he is. He's doing
Speaker 2: what he thinks is right. And he's also it's unbelievable
Speaker 2: the energy and the amount of focus from President Trump.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's a workaholic. He's just it's it's such
Speaker 2: a contrast from Joe Biden and the Biden corruption that
Speaker 2: we saw over the last four years. But it's a
Speaker 2: but the tariffs, by the way, as you've seen the
Speaker 2: markets come back and you've seen you know, America's finances
Speaker 2: come back, and the trillions of jobs that he's bringing
Speaker 2: back to the country and investments, which will take time
Speaker 2: because you've got to build the plants, hire the workers,
Speaker 2: et cetera. It takes time. There's long term growth there.
Speaker 2: Plus there's also growth from the regulatory relief. But the
Speaker 2: foundation is really making the Trump tax cuts permanent again.
Speaker 1: And before we go anything else, I've missed that you
Speaker 1: want to get across.
Speaker 2: When you think about it, since last November, since our
Speaker 2: conversations last year with the election, I mean, so much
Speaker 2: has happened. When you know, you just look at the
Speaker 2: potential for success. There's really a strong foundation here for
Speaker 2: President Trump to It was a historic election that we
Speaker 2: went through. I mean, he's the only person in history
Speaker 2: ever to beat the Republican establishment and win the nomination,
Speaker 2: and I mean he won the nomination last time in
Speaker 2: historic fashion. Nobody else has done that. Ronald Reagan didn't
Speaker 2: do it. He just swept through those states. And then
Speaker 2: for him to beat the DC establishment and maybe the
Speaker 2: international establishment where he was able to win the popular votes,
Speaker 2: sweep to battleground states, Nobody's ever done this. And now
Speaker 2: you're seeing a historic presidency where you know, he's only
Speaker 2: been in office since January and he's he's trying to,
Speaker 2: you know, literally bring the world back to you know,
Speaker 2: peace and prosperity single handedly. It's just it's just an
Speaker 2: amazing feat. So we'll see, we'll see hopefully, hopefully you
Speaker 2: can add to his legacy and make the country stronger
Speaker 2: and better. So yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 1: I hope so too. All Right, John, we'd love to
Speaker 1: have you back on as we get closer to the midterms.
Speaker 1: Always appreciate your insight and appreciate you making the time.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. I appreciate the opportunity and keep
Speaker 2: up the good luck that was John McLaughlin.
Speaker 1: I appreciate him for making the time to join the show.
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