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Speaker 1: It's that time, time, time, time, Luck and load.

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Speaker 2: The Michael Very Show is on the air for years

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Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty. Money took two and a half

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Speaker 2: centuries after the birth of Christ, two centuries since the

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Speaker 2: death the Christian's church was quite different than it is today.

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Speaker 2: It was developing, it was strengthening, it was spreading. There

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Speaker 2: was a passion for the word, and there was a

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Speaker 2: Christian unk named Anthony became Saint Anthony. And he has many,

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Speaker 2: many terms by which titles by which he is referenced.

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Speaker 2: Anthony of the Desert is one you'll see. Because he

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Speaker 2: was the first, he is sometimes called the first monk.

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Speaker 2: He's not the first monk. He was the first monk

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Speaker 2: to lead by desertification, going out into the desert. This

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Speaker 2: sort of what we now considered monk like behavior, monasticism,

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Speaker 2: This sort of behavior is often identified with him, and

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Speaker 2: is often credited to him as saint like and monastic

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Speaker 2: monk like behavior, and he came to be known probably more.

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Speaker 2: He lived in Egypt, and he left the city to

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Speaker 2: go out to the desert, which is a harsh life.

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Speaker 2: As you can imagine and to study to purify his

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Speaker 2: thought and action. And he came to be known as

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Speaker 2: Anthony the Great. And what's interesting about him is that

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Speaker 2: he really internalized the Christian life and the Christian faith

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Speaker 2: and spoke to the individual about the society around them.

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Speaker 2: I read a lot about him, but not a good biography.

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Speaker 2: And I've asked of Eddie Martini's brother Fatherly is a priest,

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Speaker 2: and I've asked him for a good biography on him,

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Speaker 2: and when I find it out, I'll share it. But

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Speaker 2: there is a line that he wrote that I would

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Speaker 2: advise you for so many of you who are going

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Speaker 2: through what I'm talking about, And he said, the days

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Speaker 2: meet a man who has kept his senses, they will

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Speaker 2: rise up against him, saying you are mad because you

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Speaker 2: are not like us. You've surely heard thee Orwell line.

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Speaker 2: In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is

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Speaker 2: a revolutionary when you see someone speak out about COVID,

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Speaker 2: the conventional wisdom says you don't you don't defy this,

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Speaker 2: you just go along, even though secretly we all know

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Speaker 2: or question that may not be true. The term mad

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Speaker 2: up against him, saying, you are mad because you are

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Speaker 2: not like us. Christopher Hitchins often quoted the story of Socrates, who,

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Speaker 2: for his scientific advancements, had been called by the Church elders,

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Speaker 2: And he had been accused of a crime punishable by death,

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Speaker 2: the elders to explain this blasphemy of his scientific developments

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Speaker 2: and writings, theories which we would later embrace, in which

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Speaker 2: But he wasn't being called forward to be honored. He

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Speaker 2: that he betray what he knew to be true, because

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Speaker 2: disagreement on that, and that's okay. But imagine a moment.

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Speaker 2: Imagine how Socrates felt. Here was the state condemning the individual.

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Speaker 2: Lest he say, no, no, I've changed my mind. You

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Speaker 2: You are the ones that are right, and I am wrong.

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Speaker 2: How dare I question? The days are coming when men

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Speaker 2: many people like to throw a man overboard today because

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Speaker 2: his very bravery in descent is an indictment of their

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Speaker 2: own inaction. There the words of Georgeman, Aren't Shore and

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Speaker 3: By robbint f p Thief, children speak Chinese and Spanni Michael.

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Speaker 2: Talking about strategies for surviving and thriving in this world.

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Speaker 2: The first one is the serenity prayer. Understand that you

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Speaker 2: cannot change broken people. This was a lesson that took

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Speaker 2: me a good part of my life to accept. Because

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Speaker 2: I think I'm superman. I can fix any problem. I

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Speaker 2: of problems and I solve them all day. It's very rewarding.

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Speaker 2: You get a god complex. Look at me. I can

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Speaker 2: do this, And I realized that's a drug I feed

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Speaker 2: time that you cannot change people from their core. It's

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Speaker 2: a fool's errand but more than that, it's diving into

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Speaker 2: the water to save someone that's going to drown you too.

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Speaker 2: You can throw them a lifeline and if they kick

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Speaker 2: it back, you can recognize that's a decision they made.

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Speaker 2: They have agency, they have authority over their decision making,

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Speaker 2: whatever that may be. And at some point you have

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Speaker 2: to live with that. It's hard because we want to

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Speaker 2: fix people, We want to change people, and that is

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Speaker 2: one of the core problems with human relations, desire to

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Speaker 2: change other people, and in many cases, the desire to

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Speaker 2: change other people is really the desire to control other people.

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Speaker 2: And that gets to our basic animal instinct of control

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Speaker 2: and dominance. It's natural throughout the animal kingdom. That's what

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Speaker 2: the hierarchy of species is all about, the predator prey.

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Speaker 2: The desire to change someone is the desire to control someone.

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Speaker 2: But you're the part that's important. You got to figure

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Speaker 2: out which fights are worth fighting. You got to figure

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Speaker 2: out which behaviors are worth defending. Is it worth it

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Speaker 2: if you think that people ought to be allowed to cuss?

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Speaker 2: Is it worth it to go into a children's school

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Speaker 2: dropping f bombs? I hope you wouldn't do that, even

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Speaker 2: if you don't think there's anything wrong with it's just

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Speaker 2: another word. You're picking a fight. It really has no

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Speaker 2: benefit to you to win, and I see this all

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Speaker 2: the time. You're picking a fight over a principle. It's

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Speaker 2: not even really a deep principle. You didn't change anybody's mind.

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Speaker 2: You just showed that you were willing to thwart the rule.

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Speaker 2: Did you gain No one was inspired by you. Whatever

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Speaker 2: their level of respect for you was, they have less

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Speaker 2: of it now than they did before. So you have

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Speaker 2: to decide what do I want to offer my opinion on,

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Speaker 2: what do I want to say publicly? Who do I

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Speaker 2: want to be that I think it's very important people

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Speaker 2: understand that. That me showing that, expressing that. I think

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Speaker 2: a lot of people get themselves in trouble on social

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Speaker 2: media by saying things for shock value because they're kind

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Speaker 2: of curious if it will cause them a problem, and

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Speaker 2: by the time it does cause them a problem, it's

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Speaker 2: too late. Well that was dumb. How many times do

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Speaker 2: we do that we provoked something just to see what

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Speaker 2: will happen? First time Mom told you don't don't touch

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Speaker 2: the flame. Oh I got touch the slave now, Oh damn?

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Speaker 2: And then what do they say, idiot? We told you,

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Speaker 2: I know. But this will be Mom, this will be

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Speaker 2: a lifelong problem for me. I will be warned not

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Speaker 2: to touch the flame, and I will touch the flame.

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Speaker 2: But here's the part that's very important, and that is

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Speaker 2: understanding that we are complicit, which means involved in allowing

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Speaker 2: this to happen. And the reason is for all our

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Speaker 2: tough talk about how we won't bend the knee, we

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Speaker 2: also won't lift a finger to help another person. I

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Speaker 2: watched this all the time. Let me tell you how

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Speaker 2: this plays out. There's a group of guys got their lunchbox.

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Speaker 2: Their wives made them send them to work. They work

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Speaker 2: for a big company, but they're out at the job site.

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Speaker 2: Somebody makes comment, somebody adds to the comment. It's like

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Speaker 2: something that someone else views as offensive, and they run tell,

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Speaker 2: because that's what people do. They run tell. And then

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Speaker 2: the question becomes what do you do about it? The

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Speaker 2: they justified. I mean, I'm all for telling Joe's but man,

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Speaker 2: he went too far?

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Speaker 1: Did he?

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Speaker 2: Have you never told that same joke? Well, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: mean I yeah, I guess I have. So why didn't

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Speaker 2: you say that that's a joke. Everybody in the group

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Speaker 2: I'll bet you ninety of people people who drink at all.

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Speaker 2: get yourself a breathalyser. You'll be shocked fist, but you

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Speaker 2: don't feel any compassion for that person at that moment.

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Speaker 1: The stock market crish occurred in nineteenth October nineteen twenty nine.

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Speaker 1: Right two months later, unemployment peaked at nine percent, and

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Speaker 2: Many of you will remember during the dark days of

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Speaker 2: the authoritarian Covidians that America shut down for all intents

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Speaker 2: and purposes. One of the great losses was live theater, Broadway, concerts,

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Speaker 2: the restaurants. Seen so many weddings, funerals, the things that

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Speaker 2: And we had a gentleman on the air, and many

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Speaker 2: of you commented that you were worried for him, you

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Speaker 2: felt bad for him, named Clifton Duncan. And he is

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Speaker 2: an accomplished actor, an actor of the stage, a purist

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Speaker 2: in that sense, with a lot of credits to his name.

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Speaker 2: And yet he wouldn't play the game, and he lost

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Speaker 2: not just his job, but in a sense I felt,

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Speaker 2: tables and people would say, you know, you seem it

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Speaker 2: seemed kind of beneath you, and he would say, well,

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Speaker 2: This was really happening. Well a lot has happened since then.

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Speaker 2: Rather than go hide himself in a bottle, or in

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Speaker 2: As you can probably tell, I'm a huge fan Clifton Duncan.

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Speaker 3: Program, Hery Michael, get to speak to you again. Thank

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Speaker 2: What caught my attention and I asked our team to

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Speaker 3: Well, it's actually been on my mind for several years,

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Speaker 2: Well, and and much like Clint Eastwood did, you're taking

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Speaker 2: an interesting time, Clifton, because I don't know that this

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Speaker 3: Well, I think the biggest thing for me, or one

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Speaker 2: And so I think that was the big thing for me.

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Speaker 1: And this is my damn coatiny I'll thought for this couture.

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Speaker 2: This is mine. Clifton Duncan is our guest. He is

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Speaker 2: Why do you think obviously it's not just a conservative,

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Speaker 3: Well, it goes back to what you were saying previously

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Speaker 3: And the thing about Soul and men like him, people

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Speaker 3: Right? So it's really interesting, it's really it's really fascinating,

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Speaker 2: So he has a big body of work, and I've

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Speaker 2: I have begged for an interview and I can't get one.

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Speaker 2: But but I talk about him a lot, I quote

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Speaker 2: Part of the job.

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Speaker 3: But for me right now, I'm just starting at just

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Speaker 3: know what I mean. So they need to see what

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Speaker 3: subconscious of the character. And so I kind of have

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Speaker 3: respect and admiration for him, and look at his life

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Speaker 3: in his own words, and look at what others say

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Speaker 3: then you bring him to life. But you know, it's

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Speaker 3: also unique because then I have his interviews to listen

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Speaker 3: his mannerisms and who you know, how he behaves, how

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Speaker 3: as well as add to the information stockpile of here's

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Speaker 3: here's his life, and here's what he has to say

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Speaker 3: about his life, and then again his views and his

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Speaker 3: points of view on a variety of topics, you know,

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Speaker 3: in forty five books and again thousands and thousands of columns.

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Speaker 3: So it's really in a really privileged place because his

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Speaker 2: It's it could be kind of daunting in terms of.

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Speaker 3: The sheer volume, But that's what you do at the

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Speaker 3: very at the very beginning of a role, is just

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Speaker 3: your research around it. You know, who is this person,

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Speaker 3: what do they want, why do they want what they want?

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Speaker 3: What's in their way? What do they what do they

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Speaker 3: do in order to get what they want?

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Speaker 2: And those are the sort of the basic fundamental questions

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Speaker 2: that you.

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Speaker 3: Ask about any character, and so that's what I'm asking

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Speaker 3: about soul now. M