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Speaker 1: Welcome to Brief Recess. I'm Michael Foote.

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Speaker 2: I'm Melissa Albranch.

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Speaker 1: Today we're going to talk about white people beneath the

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Speaker 1: password to the seasoning cabinet, just a job hades, World

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Speaker 1: Cup moment that made Melissa cry. We're going to ask

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Speaker 1: if Candas Owens maybe might be making a point every

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Speaker 1: now and then we're going to talk about the reflecting

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Speaker 1: pool drama, World Cup tourists, discovering American junk food, the

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Speaker 1: Luigi Mangione trial, and all the twists and turns and

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Speaker 1: recent updates which changed in the middle of my sentence,

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Speaker 1: I know, right. And we're going to answer all your

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Speaker 1: questions from the d ms and also talk a lot

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Speaker 1: about inner monologues and food.

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Speaker 2: Don't we have a long talk about food?

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Speaker 1: No, I think you're just hungry. Got your Is that

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Speaker 1: a gem?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: It's a horse crux? What's your birdstone horn? Crooks? I'm

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Speaker 1: happy June teenth?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, just passed. How was your first you got in?

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Speaker 2: Michael got invited, baby, first, he got invited by a

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Speaker 2: black person that's not me. So he's got another black.

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Speaker 1: There's another another one, a second black friend has entered

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Speaker 1: the chat, and I will say.

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Speaker 2: Michael, you were invited to the cookout.

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Speaker 1: We are Okay, so white people at home, I'm gonna,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna look at cameras one, two, and three. We're

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Speaker 1: not seasoning our food, guys, we are not even we

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Speaker 1: haven't even begun to open the seasoning cap.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well let me. I'm gonna because.

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Speaker 1: I knew we weren't seasoning our food that well. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I think of myself as a pretty good cook.

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Speaker 2: You're a good baker. Thank you, Thank you for the correction.

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Speaker 2: You're no, no, no, no, no what. I'm sorry. I actually didn't

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Speaker 2: mean it like that. I have never had food from you.

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Speaker 2: I have baked goods, so I feel like if you

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Speaker 2: are a good baker, you could probably be a good cook.

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Speaker 1: White people were not even like scratching the surface with

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Speaker 1: the seasonings. I know that, and like and and it's

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Speaker 1: not I know it's really preaching to the choir here.

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Speaker 2: But I remember one time you told me.

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Speaker 1: I was reading you Martha Stewart recipe.

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Speaker 2: I was like, what is that? She was like the fuck?

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Speaker 1: I was like, listen to this and it had I

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Speaker 1: think one ingredient this season was like.

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Speaker 2: Like I think I remember once you were talking about

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Speaker 2: how how you were going to make Thanksgiving a turkey, yes,

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Speaker 2: And I was like, what what are you going to

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Speaker 2: put it in the turkey? And I hurt a lot

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Speaker 2: of salt and pepper immediately shut down because I I

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Speaker 2: and I'm going to say this, and I know people

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Speaker 2: are gonna come at me, and I'm telling you right now,

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Speaker 2: I don't care. I'm not going to take recipe recommendation

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Speaker 2: your person wash their chicken.

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Speaker 1: I washed my chicken? Do you? But because you told

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Speaker 1: me to, And it's because I didn't know. I didn't know.

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Speaker 2: And now that I know, I'm like, I.

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Speaker 1: Need to wash this chicken immediately. And I know that

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Speaker 1: this is a lot of people say you don't need to,

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Speaker 1: but I do now. And I notice a difference.

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Speaker 2: And let me tell you, you may not need to

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Speaker 2: wash your chicken. Yeah, need to wash.

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Speaker 1: My It's like and now I feel like if I'm

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Speaker 1: making chicken and I don't wash it, it's like you

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Speaker 1: don't wash your hands. It's like you haven't washed your

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Speaker 1: hands before cooking. And that may work for you, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't work for me or not anymore. Yeah, And it's

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Speaker 1: something I simply cannot abide.

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Speaker 2: So what did you eat to make you feel like

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Speaker 2: you don't season your food? I love this so much.

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Speaker 2: By the way, this is so like, it's like vindication.

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Speaker 1: Macaroni salad. Macaroni doesn't have to be the main ingredient

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Speaker 1: is something I learned, like the dressing and all the

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Speaker 1: other things that go in, like it can be equal parts. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so growing up, macaroni salad for me, it was almost dry.

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Speaker 1: There was so little seasoning dressing on it. And listen,

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Speaker 1: and the other thing is that I love all these

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Speaker 1: foods and I will start cooking them for myself and

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Speaker 1: I will start seasoning my things more. Okay, but I

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Speaker 1: can't show up to Thanksgiving with Chipotle flavored turkey because

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Speaker 1: my people will riot. My people won't abide.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to make you some green seasoning. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to make you some.

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Speaker 1: Green sea doing this like it's to make a wish foundation.

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Speaker 2: Because because you're my favorite blood is my favorite blood,

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Speaker 2: and I'm going to do this. I'm going to make

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Speaker 2: you some green season.

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Speaker 1: Can I ask a really stupid question, what's in the

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Speaker 1: green season?

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Speaker 2: So I know Hatian people have green season and Dominicans

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Speaker 2: have green seasoning. They also have like a red one.

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Speaker 2: Jamaicans do it is it goes in almost everything, right,

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Speaker 2: So depending on where you are from, it's green because

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Speaker 2: there is parsley, there's green pepper. It's try No, it

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Speaker 2: is not. It's wet.

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Speaker 1: That's the other thing is most seasonings aren't dry, you guys.

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Speaker 1: Another thing I learned, like it doesn't always have to

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Speaker 1: be a dry seasoning. I know, it's amazing the things

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Speaker 1: you learn.

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Speaker 2: Really, I'm really so proud of you. It's like it's

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Speaker 2: like you and Amari.

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Speaker 1: Took the subway for the first time.

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Speaker 2: I can't they're not gonna let me show the picture.

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Speaker 2: But my nephew took. He's a year old and he

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Speaker 2: took the subway for the first time. And I don't

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Speaker 2: know if you saw. There's this woman I want to say.

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Speaker 2: She's Lebanese and it was her daughter lives in New

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Speaker 2: York and her mother had never been on the subway before.

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Speaker 2: And her mother is this beautiful elegance. Did you see this?

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Speaker 2: And she got on the train and she was horrified.

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Speaker 2: Mari looks dilike, but I mean.

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Speaker 1: But I don't touch anything.

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Speaker 2: She was like and she was like holding on to

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Speaker 2: her husband or this man that she was with death

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Speaker 2: Grip and Mary was looking around like, I.

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Speaker 1: Don't think so, honey, this is some bullshit. This doesn't

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Speaker 1: work for me.

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Speaker 2: Not at all. So anyway, you can.

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Speaker 1: Make his face pretty well, you know.

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Speaker 2: Can I tell you what's really funny? Like I am

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Speaker 2: I When I don't listen to our show, I watch

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Speaker 2: our show on you Okay, So I make the same

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Speaker 2: faces all the time, Like it's really interesting to because

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Speaker 2: you don't see your face when you're talking to somebody,

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Speaker 2: but when you're watching it, you see it. And then

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Speaker 2: there are pictures of me as a young child. I've

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Speaker 2: been making that face very yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it so funny. It's the is it a

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Speaker 1: nature versus nurture? I don't know the sassy little faces

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Speaker 1: we make. Let's get into a sidebar, sassy little faces

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Speaker 1: with Magdalen, with Magalie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my mom makes sassy little faces. My mom used

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Speaker 2: to be a teacher and her her colleague would say

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Speaker 2: they always knew when missus Malbranch did not like something,

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Speaker 2: because my mother would just be like in a meeting,

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Speaker 2: being like I love.

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Speaker 1: When people do that. Though, I had a client making

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Speaker 1: faces in court like that, and I had to be

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Speaker 1: like you better stop.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember this? A million years ago? Michael Jackson

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Speaker 2: and went on trial and E did a reenactment.

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Speaker 1: No, I didn't know this just when I.

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Speaker 2: Sent it to you, But he did this reenactment where

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Speaker 2: there was an actor playing Michael Jackson.

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Speaker 1: What that sounds like some crazy ninety shit to early

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Speaker 1: two thousand, two thousands, early two thousands, E was out

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Speaker 1: of pocket.

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Speaker 2: At one point, the anchors on E were sitting on

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Speaker 2: these giant loose sight ease excuse me, and they had

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Speaker 2: fish inside tank.

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Speaker 1: Cj Gt. Peta on the phone.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that they were real fish, to be fair,

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Speaker 2: to be fair, I actually don't think that they were.

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Speaker 1: There was this drag queen who used to have boobies

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Speaker 1: that were fish bowls and there were live fish, goldfish inside,

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Speaker 1: and she attached them to her gita. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but Peter came for her and she's not in business anymore.

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Speaker 2: Wow. They ran her out of town.

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Speaker 1: And the nineties were wild in New York. Really, Hell's

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Speaker 1: Kitchen was Hell. It was Hell. It was Selicia.

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Speaker 2: So the Michael Jackson, they will was the space. So

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Speaker 2: people were accusing him of these terrible things and he

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Speaker 2: was just like it was like, so you're trying to

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Speaker 2: tell me that the actual Michael Jackson was doing that in.

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Speaker 1: Court because no, way, just got the photo I've got.

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Speaker 2: Oh he was an actor. That's the actor. That's the command, don't.

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Speaker 1: I mean the face changed a lot, it did, but

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Speaker 1: that is a pixelated photo. But it's also that's definitely

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Speaker 1: not him. But that's a pretty good looking actor. I

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Speaker 1: mean it looks pretty close the actor is. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: want to know what other what were the other credits?

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Speaker 1: What else was the sactor in Fried Green Tomatoes? Like,

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Speaker 1: what else is the soctor doing?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know, but yeah, this guy

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Speaker 2: was eye rolling, making I rolling and making a little crazy.

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Speaker 1: I love Michael Jackson clips because he really didn't give

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Speaker 1: a shit out a certa in point or maybe the

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Speaker 1: whole time, because the one clip of him saying I

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Speaker 1: hate touring, I go through hell on. I love that

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Speaker 1: actually when they're like could you just do a positive.

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Speaker 2: It's just like I love it.

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Speaker 1: I love to tour. It is something CJ would say

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Speaker 1: to us. It's like, hey, can you not be.

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Speaker 2: So the other day we were talking about like when

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Speaker 2: do you cry?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Okay, so I cried this weekend and I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna tell you why.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, tell me.

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Speaker 2: So. Uh, Haiti played Brazil this weekend and just really quickly,

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Speaker 2: Haitian people, when they're not rooting for themselves, they're rooting

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Speaker 2: for Brazil.

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Speaker 1: Like, oh, I don't know that.

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Speaker 2: No, I know a lot of people don't know that,

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Speaker 2: but Haitian people love to root for Brazil. So there

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Speaker 2: was almost like this thing like our people. Are the

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Speaker 2: Haitian folks gonna like both are they going to root

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Speaker 2: for themselves? They're going to root for Brazil obviously Haiti.

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Speaker 2: But I was watching when they referraled that giant Haitian

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Speaker 2: flag and the Haitian national anthem came on, and I

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Speaker 2: have been practicing, so I stood up in my home

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Speaker 2: and I sang my little song and it was this

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Speaker 2: very emotional reaction that I had. For a couple of reasons,

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Speaker 2: like I've said a million times, Haiti really needed this

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Speaker 2: to be on the world stage. I mean, I think

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Speaker 2: there's something like one hundred and twelve countries that are

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Speaker 2: eligible to be in the World Cup, maybe more, and

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Speaker 2: like forty six get in. Wow, So that's not that

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Speaker 2: many and Haiti was the only country from the Caribbean,

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Speaker 2: and this is all coming from a country that has

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Speaker 2: had a really, really difficult time. So there was this

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Speaker 2: huge especially yes the past couple of years and we

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Speaker 2: haven't been there in over fifty years, and the just

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Speaker 2: to see it was I was so full of and

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Speaker 2: again thinking about my dad and how he would have

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Speaker 2: absolutely lost his ship. So I shed a tier or two.

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Speaker 1: Were you at you were at home at home? Because

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Speaker 1: when I was talking to you on.

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Speaker 1: Also, it's like you hang out with stupid people, you

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Speaker 2: You're trying to mother you. Guys, I'm trying to lead

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Speaker 1: Candace Owen's foot is on Erica Kirk's neck. Are you

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Speaker 1: That's Melissa's p put that on her mug. I'm just saying,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so Obama install these filters in twenty twelve because

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Speaker 1: It's like when they died the river for Saint Patrick's

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Speaker 2: I don't you don't I do not care for a ranch.

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Speaker 2: Green Goddess. Why is it lower calorie?

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Speaker 2: I think you know what it is. It's the mayonnaise.

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Speaker 1: consistency blue cheese you don't like. Maybe I'm just like

438
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Speaker 1: a big back because I love all those creamy dressings

439
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Speaker 1: An Islands.

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Speaker 2: I like thousand, I love Russian.

441
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Speaker 1: A Long Island salad bar from the nineties. I want

442
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Speaker 1: that's what I want.

443
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 2: The bacon bits.

444
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: Yes, that's the salad I want. Give me that wedge that.

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Speaker 2: I you know, the iceberg wedge well also doesn't well,

446
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 2: I guess if you don't open it, it doesn't need to

447
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 2: be refrigerated. See anything like that, And that's.

448
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: A little nervous.

449
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,360
Speaker 2: I don't love these that are too like shelf stable,

450
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 2: like Twinkies, Like this is just too much.

451
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,919
Speaker 1: There's this one video of a woman. She's like, this

452
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Speaker 1: guy's like from Ireland and he needs one dessert?

453
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 2: Is it the black guy? And he's Irish and it's

454
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Speaker 2: another black woman. She was like, oh my god, they've

455
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Speaker 2: got us out there too. Did you see this? And

456
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Speaker 2: she's helping him with the snacks and she's like a

457
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Speaker 2: top tier snack person.

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Speaker 1: She was like giving me ideas on that.

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Speaker 2: I know I was. There was something that she said.

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Speaker 2: I was like, I'm gonna try that. What the hell

461
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Speaker 2: was it?

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Speaker 1: Was it the honeybuns with butter maybe? And then the

463
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Speaker 1: woman doesn't jok. So for people who have no idea.

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Speaker 2: What return and this older white woman in a moon

465
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Speaker 2: who comes by and throws another suggestion.

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Speaker 1: Now she was great, guys, just so you understand what

467
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Speaker 1: the hell we're talking about. For the World Cup, there

468
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: are people from all around the world in America right now,

469
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Speaker 1: and they're being exposed to the unregulated, high processed foods

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Speaker 1: in America, all the red dyes, all over TikTok and Instagram.

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Speaker 1: There are videos of people trying to find the best

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Speaker 1: snacks in America. And this black man from Ireland found

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Speaker 1: a black woman presumptively in the American South.

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Speaker 2: I don't, yeah, I don't, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It was Texas, and she was giving honeybuns and hostess

476
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Speaker 1: snacks and cookies. Uh, and it was just all these

477
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Speaker 1: things this lovely irishman had never seen before. The chest

478
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Speaker 1: cookies with.

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Speaker 2: Es.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you don't like bana, I don't like manas.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, but the best was the other part of

482
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Speaker 2: that was like the old lady who was walking by

483
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Speaker 2: and like threw out a suggestion, like.

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Speaker 1: Someone charts pop tarts with no frosting.

485
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Speaker 2: And fry them in butter, is what she said.

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Speaker 1: And then in the com I went to the commons,

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Speaker 1: you know, what someone said, that's my mother in law. Literally,

488
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Speaker 1: they were like, oh my god.

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Speaker 2: But I just wonder where are you, Like, what's going

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Speaker 2: on in your life that you're like, you know what

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Speaker 2: I'm going to try, I'm going to fry a pop tart.

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Speaker 1: Well. I want to know, is what's going on in

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Speaker 1: these countries? Do they not have incredible snacks?

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Speaker 2: Different snacks?

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Speaker 1: Based off these videos, they make it seem like the

496
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Speaker 1: UK is like what you see on Game of Thrones. No,

497
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Speaker 1: like that's the culinary experience is the feast.

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Speaker 2: And I will say the best food that I had

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Speaker 2: in the UK was not British food. It was like

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Speaker 2: Indian food, and Indian.

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Speaker 1: Food in the UK is incredible. Yeah, I mean British

502
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Speaker 1: food is. I think I think even British people would

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Speaker 1: agree with us that it's bad.

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Speaker 2: It's not good, It's not terrific.

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Speaker 1: If you have to describe the side dish as mushy,

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Speaker 1: I'm out of here. I'm out of here. I'm self deporting.

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Speaker 2: I've never had mushy peas and I wonder, no, no,

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Speaker 2: could it be good?

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Speaker 1: No? Because they're just overcooked?

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Speaker 2: Is it just the peas?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: Season? But we did talk about you people, have no

513
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Speaker 2: seasons people. I wonder if the mushy pea's I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: look for a recipe of mushy peas and see their

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Speaker 2: seasoning and the mushy peas it.

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Speaker 1: Was just butter and probably salt. Okay, no pepper, no pepper,

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Speaker 1: probably not.

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Speaker 2: There's this There are these two British guys. There are

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Speaker 2: these two British guys that have They go around the

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Speaker 2: United States eating things and they're always like, I forget

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Speaker 2: what they're called. I think the thing is called jolly whatever.

522
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Speaker 2: And they also take American food back to Like these

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Speaker 2: British boys in school and they're so cute right therese

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Speaker 2: like sort of high school ish type boys, and they're

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Speaker 2: wearing like their suits and they're just like and there

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Speaker 2: was one kid who was eating something and he got

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Speaker 2: all red in the face and he was just like,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of pepper. He was just like, I

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Speaker 2: can't with the pepper. Liked watering up, watering eyes, and

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Speaker 2: he was just like, there's a lot of pepper in this.

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Speaker 2: They're so cute and they're just like, oh, that's like

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Speaker 2: they're eating like barbecue. They're like, that's lovely, that's lovely.

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Speaker 1: Little little kids with British accentsor vers.

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Speaker 2: I mean they're cute, but these kids are not little.

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Speaker 2: They're like seventeen years old. Oh they're like but they

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Speaker 2: are adorable. No, but they're adorable in the way they're

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Speaker 2: just like Wow, I've never had like, okay chicken.

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Speaker 1: I was in the UK, I went to I was

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Speaker 1: there first school, and I went to the dining hall

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Speaker 1: and they had toast. But the bread they just put

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Speaker 1: it in the deep fror. That was the buttered.

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Speaker 2: Toast that they fried bread, fried bread, and I'd never

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Speaker 2: had that before.

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Speaker 1: It was really good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure, well it's fried.

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Speaker 1: It had like the consistency of a churro, but was

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Speaker 1: salty where I was like, oh this is chewy. This

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Speaker 1: is like the beans had beans on it, you know.

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Speaker 1: It was like a side dish at breakfast, side dish,

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Speaker 1: like you got your eggs and your like bacon and

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Speaker 1: your Maybe there were beans, but it was like they

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Speaker 1: had to have been rather than just the toast you

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Speaker 1: would get. It was deep red bread.

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Speaker 2: We're going to Ireland and I am really looking forward

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Speaker 2: to having like an Irish breakfast, Yeah, with like blood pudding.

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Speaker 1: Blood Pudding's good. I like blood pudding.

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Speaker 2: I can't remember. I don't think I like blood pudding.

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00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: It's got like a crust to it that, in retrospect.

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Speaker 2: Was blood right, and they fried it till it's crispy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is supposed to be a legal podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm really sorry. Sorry, I know, I know, I know.

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Speaker 2: You've completely gone off the rails.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a break, we'll come back. Let's talk about

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Speaker 1: Lui Ji MANGIONI okay, because they updated his defense and

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Speaker 1: I feel like I owe it to the sillennials that

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Speaker 1: follow me. Sure, Okay, we'll be right back. Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: This is under oath. We're going to be talking deep

568
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: dive into a hot topic plaguing the news feed right now,

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Speaker 1: which is Luigi Mangoni.

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Speaker 2: Friends. What I always say, well, wrong segment, Well fuck me, okay,

571
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Speaker 2: you looked at me.

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Speaker 1: No wrong segment.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we're moving on Luigi.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Luigi Mangoni. What did he allegedly do?

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Speaker 2: He allegedly murdered the CEO of United Healthcare.

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00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so they were charging him with murder and

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Speaker 1: in the first degree and second degree, and now his

578
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Speaker 1: defense team is saying that he was suffering from extreme

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Speaker 1: emotional disturbance.

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Speaker 2: Because do they say that they made they didn't really

581
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Speaker 2: say why, Okay, did they see change? And I'm just

582
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Speaker 2: asking if they did say booth. I wonder if not

583
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Speaker 2: saying right now is a part of the strategy.

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Speaker 1: I remember that, like he disappeared for a while, and

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Speaker 1: then like he didn't his family didn't hear from him

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Speaker 1: for six months, and then he showed up.

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Speaker 2: And killed allegedly killed this guy.

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Speaker 1: Maybe there's something in six months where they're going to claim,

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Speaker 1: you know, he went through brainwashing or I don't know

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00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: what it was. But basically, this is what defense attorneys do,

591
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: is they're trying to reduce the charges that have the

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Speaker 1: lowest sentence. But the interesting thing about this is any

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Speaker 1: sort of emotional disturbance or insanity plea we called an

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Speaker 1: affirmative defense, which is like such a stupid name for

595
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: it because it's like, how can you be affirmative and

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Speaker 1: defensive but you're basically saying I did it. However, I

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Speaker 1: had a good reason for it, similar to the heat

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Speaker 1: of the passion crimes, right, So in this one it

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Speaker 1: would be I was suffering such from such extreme emotional disturbances,

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Speaker 1: I should not be tried. I don't know why I'm

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Speaker 1: doing this in first person. Should not I should not

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Speaker 1: be tried as someone who was in their right mind

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Speaker 1: and had a mind that was well enough to hold

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Speaker 1: the requisite men's rea to commit this crime, and be

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Speaker 1: tried as a person who was sane. So what I

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Speaker 1: do know from law school is like insanity please are

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Speaker 1: really hard?

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Speaker 2: Are they?

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Speaker 1: They're really hard to win because if you if it

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Speaker 1: were somewhat, if it were even a slightly reduced standard

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Speaker 1: you have to reach every moment, would be doing it

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00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: in insanity plea for everything, okay, parking ticket, whatever, like everything,

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Speaker 1: you would just be like I was crazy.

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Speaker 2: I mean, but what Okay?

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Speaker 1: But so there was this red notebook that they found

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Speaker 1: a McDonald's, which is like a big key part of

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Speaker 1: the evidence in the prosecutor's case, and they're thinking that

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Speaker 1: Luigi's defense won't hold up because of what was written

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Speaker 1: in that red notebook was so cognizant, like it was

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Speaker 1: so put together that there was a quote you want

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Speaker 1: to read the quote.

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Speaker 3: I finally feel confident about what I will do. The

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Speaker 3: details are finally coming together.

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Speaker 2: Hmm.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't sound.

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Speaker 2: Good, But I mean, I'm sure his attorney's are going

627
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Speaker 2: to try and make a case of like this is

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Speaker 2: these are not the words of somebody who who was

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Speaker 2: in his right line. So even though this sounds really cognizant,

630
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: but they're going to try. They have to earn their

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Speaker 2: money somehow.

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00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: Right, And so basically as this case is sort of

633
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: coming together, what's happening is that behind the scenes, the

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Speaker 1: prosecution is trying to pull together all their little bits

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00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: of evidence that's allowed in and defense is trying to

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Speaker 1: anticipate how a jury's going to react to that and

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Speaker 1: what they're going to response is going to be. So

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00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: there's something called taking the stinger out of the bee.

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00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: This is like a trial strategy that comes where if

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Speaker 1: you know something bad is going to come up, like

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Speaker 1: the words written in the Red Notebook, for example, as

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Speaker 1: a defense attorney, you would bring that up proactively in

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Speaker 1: your opening statement with a witness testimony before the prosecution

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Speaker 1: can talk about it. That way, the jury doesn't think

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00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: that you got surprised or that you're on your heels

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00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: with this evidence. You bring it up beforehand, you anticipate it,

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Speaker 1: and it's called taking the stinger out of the bee.

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Speaker 1: That way, you've already social with the jury. Oh, the

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00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: red notebook. You're going to hear about this red notebook

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00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: at trial, and you're going to hear the prosecutor say

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Speaker 1: this and read these words and that way. When the

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Speaker 1: prosecutor does it, it's like, yeah, we already heard that,

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Speaker 1: we heard that, we knew this was coming.

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Speaker 3: For us to be the most up to date, I

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Speaker 3: just clicked on that NBC link that I had in

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Speaker 3: the breakdown, and they're now reversing. They don't want to

657
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Speaker 3: use this psychiatric defense anymore.

658
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 2: So they are scrambling to try and figure out what

659
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 2: they're going to do for this kid, for this man

660
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 2: young man.

661
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not good. But I wonder every potential juror

662
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: is reading that, Like everyone who's going to be on

663
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: the jury's going to be reading that.

664
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 2: But I wonder if what they are in the end,

665
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: what they're hoping for his Luigi's attorneys, is that there

666
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: will be enough people on a jury who have been

667
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 2: absolutely screwed by a health insurance company. Now being clear,

668
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 2: just because you've been screwed doesn't mean that you're allowed

669
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 2: to go and allegedly kill somebody, right, But but I

670
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: wonder if they're really kind of hoping that people will say,

671
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 2: you know what, either I or somebody that I know

672
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 2: did not get the treatment that they deserved or like

673
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: you know, lost their home or whatever. It is, right,

674
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people can say can

675
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 2: talk about a bad experience that they've had and will say,

676
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 2: you know what, maybe this guy was pushed to the

677
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 2: breaking point and that's why he allegedly did this thing,

678
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 2: because all signs point to him probably having done this, right.

679
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying, Yeah about jury's he's going

680
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: to lose.

681
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 2: That's my hot take. He's going to lose this case, sure.

682
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 1: And I know that, you know, a lot of people

683
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: on the internet have his back, and a lot of

684
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: people are going to comment on this clip and say,

685
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 1: but this is not a this is not a winning case.

686
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: This is not And even if there is that one

687
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: person on the jury, it's juries are so unpredictable. I

688
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 1: just don't think people understand sometimes how unpredictable jurors are,

689
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 1: and how much of like an intersection of the world

690
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: is represented in the juries, oh for sure, And how

691
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: much of like just your in my social life, right,

692
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: is one one hundredth of society's frame of mind. So

693
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: when we're talking about oh, yeah, twelve people, half of

694
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: them are going to have similar ideas and thoughts as

695
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: you and me. M not necessarily, No, you'll be lucky

696
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: if there's one person on there who comes from a

697
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: similar walk of life as you, even if you're from

698
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 1: the same community. So I feel like, looking at how

699
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: this is going to shake out if they're betting on

700
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: a juror if there if their defense strategy is let's

701
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: bet that someone on the jury has a negative experience

702
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: with a healthcare provider or is frustrated by that and

703
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: is going to hang up this entire jury. That's like,

704
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: that's that's I mean, last ditch attempt. Sure, but I

705
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: agree with you, Like, yeah, I hear you, Like that

706
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: would be something that Michael the non lawyer watching this

707
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: on TV be like, oh yeah, I would think that

708
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: that would happen. But knowing what I've seen, jurors come

709
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: out of that room and they say, oh, yeah, we

710
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: convicted because and then they say something that no one

711
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: nobody yeah, and we're like huh, or they're like, oh, Michael,

712
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: you were writing really fast, so we assumed he was guilty.

713
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: You were scribbling furiously during that testimony, and I'm like, yeah,

714
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: I'm taking notes because I'm about to eat this witness up,

715
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: not because I was worried. I was taking down notes

716
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: of everything I was going to gobble them up with.

717
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: They interpret it as so you just it's one of

718
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: these things where you just have no idea what's going

719
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: to go down. But they did get a lot of

720
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: the evidence thrown out in this case. That's another way

721
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: to win a case like this is peremptory hearings, so

722
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: getting evidence thrown out. I think they got his statements

723
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: that he made to the police officers in the McDonalds.

724
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: Those were thrown out because he wasn't mirandized. They knew

725
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: who he was, who was under arrest, they never mirandized him.

726
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: And then the statemance he made, they threw those out.

727
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: I think the backpack, I think, I don't know if

728
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: that's going to be allowed into evidence.

729
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 3: They're trying to argue now that the red notebook was

730
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 3: an illegal seizure, which is I think.

731
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: What part of the reason why they're doing this reversal.

732
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: So basically, there's this concept called the fruit of the

733
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: poisonous tree doctrine, which is that if the search was

734
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: not in compliance with the Fourth Amendment, which is unlawful

735
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: search and seizures anything. Even if they get the bloody

736
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: knife murder weapon with the prints and the blood on it,

737
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: anything from that illegal search is not admissible in court,

738
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: and you have to try the entire case as if

739
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: it doesn't exist, so the prosecutor can't bring it up.

740
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: That's a mistrial. Defense can reference it in whatever, no

741
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: one can talk about it at trial. And so that's

742
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: how you would kind of win one of these cases.

743
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: In these preemptive me what do.

744
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 2: You think the hope is for this guy? Like what

745
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 2: ultimately what is the best case scenario for him? Because

746
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 2: I just I can't imagine that this is somebody who's

747
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 2: going to get off scott free, right, I cannot imagine that.

748
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 2: So barring getting off scott.

749
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: Free, twenty years, twenty years, twenty years in prison, I

750
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: think that's.

751
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 2: What best case scenario for him.

752
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: I think so. I think, just like being honest with

753
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: the evidence and the facts of this case, I think

754
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,720
Speaker 1: he's going to get twenty years in prison, Okay, yeah, yeah,

755
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: maybe life. Yeah, because there's a video footage of him,

756
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: he was waiting, there was mensrea, there was intent. They

757
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: have to prove the intent, though, they have to prove

758
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 1: the forethought. So that'll be something if the red notebook

759
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: is getting thrown out, if there's no manifesto or anything

760
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: like that, that'll be hard for a prosecution to kind

761
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: of pin down hard evidence. But video surveillance, footage of

762
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: if they confirm that and they get everything into evidence,

763
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,280
Speaker 1: it's really hard to get around that kind of stuff

764
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: with a jury. Sure, yeah, are very much. It's a

765
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: visual medium, right, you know, I can see.

766
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 2: That and once you regardless of what you feel about

767
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 2: the person who's killed, right, but if there is evidence

768
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,959
Speaker 2: in front of you, there's a video, there's you know, yeah,

769
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 2: then you can't help. But yeah, be like okay.

770
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: If there is video evidence in a case, it almost

771
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: always doesn't go forward. It's almost always plea deal in

772
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 1: my experience, whenever there's a video, that is the first thing.

773
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 2: So what could they plead him down to.

774
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: They could play him down to like second degree murder.

775
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 2: Probably okay, which is usually a sentence of.

776
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the process cution would have to be open

777
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 1: to that. If they've got great evidence, they're like, let's

778
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: get the conviction, let's go forward. That's like their perspective. Okay,

779
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: but I've really only seen these kinds of cases go

780
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 1: forward where the defenses saying no to a plea deal

781
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: when the video evidence doesn't get admitted or it's corrupted

782
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 1: or lost or damaged or whatever. Okay, they just didn't

783
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: exist in the first place. Okay, Yeah, it's going to

784
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: be I mean it's soon the trials in a couple

785
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: of months, so.

786
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's I've been waiting a while though.

787
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: You know, we could like watch that if you guys want,

788
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: we could do like a separate coverage of this or something.

789
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 2: I think.

790
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 1: Yes, it's like right here in New York.

791
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

792
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I go to that courthouse all the time.

793
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 2: You're just gonna sit there and watch it and just

794
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 2: like really hard to How many people do you think

795
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 2: they want it? It's like the people they were like

796
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 2: practically selling tickets just for Diddy's trial. Do you know

797
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 2: what I mean?

798
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: I feel like I know a guy. Do you feel

799
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: like I know a bailiff who could get me in?

800
00:41:58,760 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: I do?

801
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 2: I mean, do you know where it's taking place?

802
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, I was kicking with the bailiffs the other day.

803
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: It was really bad, like out in the hallway. We

804
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: were we were like giggling.

805
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 2: So what's wrong with that?

806
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: It was great, It was it was actually kind of great.

807
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 3: I have a question for you on the Luigi stuff,

808
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 3: but it's not necessarily specific to this. So his defense

809
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 3: team is they requested that some of his statements that

810
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 3: he made be cut from the record, claiming that he

811
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 3: had been not had not yet been read his Miranda

812
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 3: rights before being interrogated. How is that possible when the

813
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 3: New York One NYPD had this is like a man hunt,

814
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 3: like they were, how do they not read him his

815
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 3: Miranda rights?

816
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,919
Speaker 1: So he wasn't mirandized because he was found in Pennsylvania

817
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: and like a rural town and these were like the

818
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: local police officers from like Scranton, Pennsylvania or something. And

819
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 1: but no, I mean no, this is not like a

820
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: good defense of them. Okay, But from my perspective, I'm

821
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: like those officers were not very experienced because they literally

822
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: they should have randized him right away for resid him.

823
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: They were from my when I was I mean, this

824
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: is not me. I'm not letting police officer und right.

825
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 2: No, I understand what you're saying, but it seems to

826
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 2: me as a polic Like it's literally I'm not a

827
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 2: police officer and I have seen enough sbu to know,

828
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 2: but never like even if it's your first day on

829
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 2: the fucking no, no, no, no.

830
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: They're like, wait a minute, there's just the guy from

831
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: the TV.

832
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 2: The guy that is that. No, there's no really bad,

833
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 2: it's really really bad. So they were so excited to

834
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: see him that they forgot to do their job.

835
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: And also with Luisgu's child, there was some weird ship

836
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: where like the body cams turned on and off a

837
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: couple of times and then it was like there was something.

838
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 1: They put some evidence in a McDonald's bag. Oh my god,

839
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: I'm serious. And then one officer had it in a

840
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: McDonald's bag. They were driving it to the precinct part

841
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: from Luigi, but then and the body cam was on

842
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: and then it went off again and the bag was

843
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: gone and it was back with Luigi, and like the

844
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: cop turned around and went back, and like the phone

845
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,959
Speaker 1: records showed that they were called like the officers called

846
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: each other a bunch. There was some weird stuff going on,

847
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: like the Karen Reid trial. Do you remember this, Like

848
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: there was some sort of weird cop phone record and

849
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: body cam inconsistencies with Luigi's arrest.

850
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 2: Me let me ask you something, just not about Luigian necessarily,

851
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 2: but when a police officer has bodycam, Yeah, it's supposed

852
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 2: to be on all the time, right, So when it

853
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 2: is not on and then it comes back on, yeah,

854
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,240
Speaker 2: is there a reason? Ever? Like, what is your recourse

855
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:48,720
Speaker 2: as a defense attorney?

856
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: Right? What I do is I use it as part

857
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: of my defense. Is like, Hello, this is suspiciously and

858
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: randomly turned off like at the key crucial moment when

859
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: the alleged issue curd whether it's an assault or whatever.

860
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: So that is how I use it, because you can

861
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: use the absence to so doubt with a judge or jury.

862
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: So that's how I use it. Okay, officers claim, yes,

863
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: wardrobe malfunction, right, they say they give the Jana Jackson.

864
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: They say, oh, it stopped working randomly at the crucial

865
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: moment that way, and it.

866
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 2: Came back on all of a sudden.

867
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, literally, yes, And it's the same with dash

868
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 1: cam footage like that. That is like very much Okay, socialized.

869
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 2: And does that, But I'm just curious does that work?

870
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 2: Is that working?

871
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 1: It's working to keep them personally free of liability. Okay,

872
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily working to like in the criminal proceedings

873
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: for that defendant.

874
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 2: I just wonder as a police officer, if you do

875
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 2: that multiple times, I mean, that's not really good job securities.

876
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 2: I mean, because you're making the same mistake over and

877
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 2: over again, and people are and I don't know because

878
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 2: of it, people are getting off or they're having to pay.

879
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I unfortunately think people are getting away with it

880
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: for a while. Okay, yeah, unfortunately.

881
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 2: Okay.

882
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,240
Speaker 1: I told you about that trial where all the evidence

883
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: was deleted from the police phones. They like turned them

884
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: in and then factory reset them. There was all this

885
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: evidence on the phone.

886
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 2: And then and what's so what happened we.

887
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: Went to trial? We were like, there's no evidence, we

888
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: only have witness testimony. So we got to go off

889
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: your case.

890
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 2: Are you able to say did it go? Okay? Okay, okay,

891
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: I just don't even understand how what it's like, what's.

892
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: Like glue, sorry, ADHD, Like what's.

893
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 2: Going on in the home, because what it feels like,

894
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, what the fuck is

895
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 2: going on?

896
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: What's happening in the precincts?

897
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 2: Happening who's in charge. It's just the whole thing just

898
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 2: reeks of such corruption. Yes, and and we know that

899
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 2: that's true, but it's just it's so it's obvious to

900
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 2: the point it's stupid.

901
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: Well, it's criminal. Defense attorneys have always have been on

902
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: the front lines of witnessing and going up against police corruption.

903
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: I think that's that's that tales oldest time, Like my

904
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: law professors were telling us stories from the seventies, right, Okay,

905
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean all these cases that you heard

906
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: about Miranda Rights, there was a mister Miranda No I know,

907
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: like there was a person that had to have rights

908
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: so violated that it then went to court to trial

909
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: all the way. They after him, they named it after

910
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: that Rice.

911
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 2: Right.

912
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 3: Is this like an attractive case to in a defense

913
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 3: attorney because there's so many like missteps.

914
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 1: In that Luigi trial? Yeah?

915
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 3: Or is it like something you want to stay away

916
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 3: from because you don't want to get a loss on

917
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 3: your record.

918
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: If this case weren't so high profile with Luigi and

919
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: I saw all these errors and this was crossing my desk,

920
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: I'd be like, this is a normal number of errors

921
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: in evidence, chain of custody in Miranda Rights violations. This

922
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't keep me up at night with the rights violations.

923
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: Be like, yeah, this that makes.

924
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 2: Sense, Would you take it?

925
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:07,479
Speaker 1: I always decide cases based off can I actually help?

926
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: Here is their work that I can do Where my

927
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: skills would actually help this person. It would depend on,

928
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: like the time in my life. It's a huge time commitment. Sure,

929
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,399
Speaker 1: really expensive case to say yes to a case like that,

930
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: the Luigia you hat a side like if no one

931
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: knew who this was.

932
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

933
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: This person's coming to and saying, will you defend me?

934
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: We're going to be working together for the next four years, okay, right,

935
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: Like that's so long, and that's with no appeal if

936
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: we lose, right, okay. So there's just so much that's

937
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: going to go into that. For me to take a

938
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: case like that, it would have to be for your salary.

939
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: That's going to be majority of my time going into

940
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: that case. You know that's without the public profile thing.

941
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: But I do think a lawyer taking that case right now,

942
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: with the public profile stuff, that'll make your career.

943
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 2: You can hang your hat or break it.

944
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: You get so much exposure from a trial like that,

945
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: What if you really I mean, if you beef it, yeah, absolutely.

946
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: But if you do a decent job, you've got a

947
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: lot of press conferences, You're getting a lot of camera time. Yeah,

948
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: I think a lot of lawyers would jump at that case.

949
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 2: I wonder who's paying them? Does Luigi have any money?

950
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: I think he does, right, who's paying them?

951
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 2: I always wonder that, Yeah, I always wonder who's saying

952
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 2: who's paying like, especially if it's you know.

953
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: A lot of people going to debt.

954
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 2: No, I know, but you also can get blood from

955
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 2: a rock, right. So if I only have one hundred

956
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 2: dollars and you're in your fee is two hundred dollars,

957
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 2: I'm out of luck. Right, Yeah, So, like everything else,

958
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 2: if you do not have the resources at your disposal,

959
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,240
Speaker 2: does that mean that you are not going to get

960
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 2: a defense that you deserve?

961
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 1: Well? I love the public defender offices, but I.

962
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 2: Also like but their time, yes, and the and they

963
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 2: investigator around, right exactly.

964
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: I also think a lot about a case like this.

965
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: I live in an echo chamber. I've admitted this so

966
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: many times. So many people in my little internet world

967
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: are not condemning Luigi's behavior. I think is maybe like

968
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,240
Speaker 1: the nicest way I'll put it, Yeah, the most palatable

969
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: way to put it. Yeah, there's a lot of this

970
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: person's martyrdom, yes of Luigi. I wonder what I'm not

971
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: hearing outside that echo chamber. What is the conversation about

972
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: Luigi and everyday American home that.

973
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 2: Isn't my I mean I've heard some you know, I

974
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,240
Speaker 2: mean it's and it's all the things that you would

975
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 2: expect to hear.

976
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: Is it pro United Healthcare? Is it?

977
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 2: It's not, it's not, it's not pro United. I have

978
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 2: not heard that. I have not heard pro United Healthcare.

979
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 2: I've heard more like this feels like a very sort

980
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 2: of liberal person thing to do.

981
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 1: There's a right way to do there's a right.

982
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 2: Way and a wrong way to do this. You which

983
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 2: I understand you are not permitted to decide to somebody. Yeah,

984
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 2: you're supposed to do things like that. I've heard a

985
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 2: lot of that. I have not heard anything about pro

986
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 2: United health Care though, I mean who I mean, no, no, no, no,

987
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 2: But we're not we're not saying it's okay to kill

988
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 2: somebody who works for this organization.

989
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: Like, oh, they approved my claim self, I had.

990
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 2: I've never had a problem. They approved, they approved my

991
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 2: sleep study. They didn't. You know what I'm saying, I'm

992
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 2: still walking the floors at night because they will pay

993
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:49,760
Speaker 2: for my sleep study.

994
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: Goddamn it.

995
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 2: But do you know what I'm saying? And like, you know,

996
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 2: and health insurance companies are notorious for doing things like this,

997
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 2: Like yeah, and I know I talk about my weight

998
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 2: loss surgery a lot, but it was a it was

999
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 2: a big thing that happened to me. But they were

1000
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 2: willing to pay. My health insurance company was willing to

1001
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 2: pay for my surgery. But none of the none of

1002
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,760
Speaker 2: the fallout from it. Right, So, like after you've lost

1003
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 2: all that weight, there's like all this skin that is

1004
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 2: considered cosmetic.

1005
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: Right.

1006
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 2: If you lose a tooth, right, then it's in the

1007
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 2: back to get that replaced cosmetic. Do you see what

1008
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 2: I'm saying? No, no, no, no, no, not me. I'm talking

1009
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 2: about all the things that could happen to a person. No, no, no,

1010
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 2: there are all these things that can happen to somebody.

1011
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 2: If you get into an accident and you have a scar,

1012
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 2: they stitch up the scar, the scar itself. If you

1013
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 2: want to get that fixed, that is cosmetic, right, Never

1014
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 2: mind that you don't want to be somebody with a

1015
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,919
Speaker 2: big scar in your face. How traumatizing that could be? Right?

1016
00:52:56,160 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 2: Why is mental health so hard to Yeah? Why do

1017
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 2: you only get five sessions a year or whatever it

1018
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 2: is or your PT? This is what I'm saying. Yeah, so, oh.

1019
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: My god, I need a pet so bad. I paid

1020
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 1: for that shit out of pocket for so long. But

1021
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: but and it was it was worth it for me

1022
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 1: and I could afford it. But let me tell you,

1023
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,959
Speaker 1: it was like the only thing that helped me after

1024
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: I busted my feet and was in those boots and crutches,

1025
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: back blown out from crutching around America biking in an

1026
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: orthopedic boot.

1027
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 2: I don't know that you should have been doing that.

1028
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 1: I told you I didn't do the kick line anymore

1029
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: for the Rocket, And they said, sir, yes, please stop

1030
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: coming to Radio City Music Hall.

1031
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 2: We don't work here.

1032
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: We don't work. We don't know you stop auditioning. You're

1033
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: too old.

1034
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:49,439
Speaker 2: We don't go here.

1035
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,240
Speaker 1: You can hear your hip clicking during the kick line.

1036
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying though, like, honestly, it's it's the

1037
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 2: get a hold of yours stupid I'm sorry, but but

1038
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying. It is you know there are

1039
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 2: things that you need. Like I told you, I've reached

1040
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 2: out to this guy, but he that's social worker. I

1041
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,479
Speaker 2: told you guys about whose job it is that he's

1042
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 2: sort of fighting with the insurance. Come my god, and

1043
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,760
Speaker 2: it's horrible. Yes, this is something. You know. This person

1044
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 2: has cancer. Everyone says that they have cancer.

1045
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: They need this treatment in the hospital bed, trying to

1046
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: call to get their things approved before and.

1047
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 2: They're saying no, because you know, we needed to be

1048
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 2: warded this exactly. You know this person is dying. So

1049
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't. I have not heard anyone who

1050
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 2: is pro health insurance company.

1051
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: I'm being nicer to Brad now because I'm honest. Insurance.

1052
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you better.

1053
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: I'm doing the dishes. I'm taking the energy the dishes.

1054
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:53,919
Speaker 2: I'm like, you better cook all the meals. Yeah yeah,

1055
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 2: be nice.

1056
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, can you send me that claim for him? Sweetie, honey,

1057
00:54:58,920 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: we come hither.

1058
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 2: Look, I'll do that thing that you like.

1059
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: My mother in law listen said the show, let's take

1060
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: a break.

1061
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 2: She knows that you guys do.

1062
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Brief Recess. This his tales from the DMS.

1063
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: We're going to read all the wicked and wild, freaky, deeky,

1064
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 1: sick and twisted, salty and sweet things. You send us

1065
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: things you sent us zero to the show. You can

1066
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 1: email us at brief Recess at exactlyrightmedia dot com. You

1067
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 1: can DM it to me. If it's something horrific that

1068
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: you want no one else to read, you can send

1069
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:34,760
Speaker 1: it to Melissa.

1070
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 2: Love messy stuff. I love it.

1071
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 1: I love Remember the guy in the penitentiary who was

1072
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: hooking up with the guy who murdered the gay guy

1073
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: who used the gay panic.

1074
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 2: Big Gay Josh shout out to big Gay Joe allegedly

1075
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 2: allegedly exactly right.

1076
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: Karen texted me she wants us to say.

1077
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 2: Lest allegedly Anyway, friends, what do I always say? While

1078
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 2: Michael is a lawyer, he's not your lawyer, so you

1079
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 2: should get your own.

1080
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: Did someone you said someone recognize you and quoted that

1081
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: to you?

1082
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 2: So I was talking to somebody and somebody said that

1083
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 2: to me. Yeah. They were just like, oh, oh, let

1084
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 2: me guess while Michael is a lay and then they

1085
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 2: what's really funny is that they did what I guess

1086
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 2: they think is a New York accent, And I was like,

1087
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 2: do I sound like that?

1088
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: Maybe it's like Joey back at donuts. Yes, anyway, okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, TikTok comments on Inner monologues. Wow, we're reading

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00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 1: the TikTok comments on our videos. Ikey says, Ikey CJ.

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00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: Don't make me breathe.

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00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 2: Oh my likeness.

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00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: Ikey says, I don't have one. I still have thoughts

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00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 1: and a conscience. It's just quiet. There's no voice talking

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00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 1: to me. If I want, I can choose to play

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00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: a song or hear someone's voice in my head, but

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00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: it's a conscious recall. Oh how nice it must be,

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00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 1: Ikey to be able to tune out the voices in

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00:56:58,760 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: your head.

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00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I I'm still finding that fascinating, right because

1101
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 2: it never stops in my head.

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00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: I'm just swearing all constantly.

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00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 2: But but also I'm also like remembering random things that

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00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 2: happened to me in like the sixth grade or like.

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00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: So I think this is one of those things where

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00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: like where actually the problem and Ikey's living it up.

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00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: Ikey's having their shout out to Ikey was thinking, clearly,

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00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: I don't have.

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00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 2: One, and I still have Okay, I don't. I don't

1110
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 2: understand a lot of.

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00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: People gravitated towards the inner monologue coming.

1112
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 2: Oh wait, but there's a it's a whole thread with Ikey.

1113
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: Oh wow.

1114
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 2: Oh hold on, so oh well, let's just let's to

1115
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 2: this dialogue.

1116
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: Okay.

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00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 2: So you want to be Ikey and I'll be all

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00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 2: the other I'm.

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00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: Going to be reading for the role of Ikey. I

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00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: don't have one. I still have thoughts on a conscience.

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00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: It's just quiet. There's no voice. I can choose to

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00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: play a song or hear someone's voice, but it's recall interesting.

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00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 2: So when you're reading, you don't hear voice saying the

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00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 2: words either. Also, thank you for sharing, Jess perk me too.

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00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 2: I can turn it on and off, but I always

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00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 2: hear my voice in my head when I read to

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00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 2: myself though thumbs up emoji.

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00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: Back to Aki, No problem. Yes, it's just silence in there, haha.

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00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: I visualize what's happening in the book, though, V Well,

1130
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: that just sounds like normal. What visualizing what's happening in

1131
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: a book, I think is what I don't want to.

1132
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: There's no such thing as a normal person. But I

1133
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: do feel like I do that you don't. I do

1134
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 1: visualize a book when I'm reading.

1135
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 2: It, sure, but are you do you hear the words

1136
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 2: in your head?

1137
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: I'm hearing and seeing the meaning of the words.

1138
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 2: I'm hearing the words.

1139
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:50,439
Speaker 1: I'm not like letter letter, letter, letter, letters, space work.

1140
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm like word, word word word, space,

1141
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 2: she said. He said word we're thinking about. No, I

1142
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 2: know it takes all kinds of fri You broke me.

1143
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 2: I know it broke me. V says, I'm curious, how

1144
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 2: do you predict? This is what I'm saying. I'm curious,

1145
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 2: how do you predict things? Like my running monologue? Lets

1146
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 2: me know how I'm doing hungry, sad, bored, or if

1147
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 2: it's unclear and I need to pause and figure it out.

1148
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:21,959
Speaker 2: What I'm noticing beauty, danger, weird smell. The weird smell

1149
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 2: is a big one for me. Okay, I'm always I

1150
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 2: who said, do you smell that? And he's like, I

1151
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 2: don't smell anything. I'm like, you don't smell that, And

1152
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 2: I will walk around until I.

1153
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 1: Find pride in Brooklyn this past weekend.

1154
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 2: It was pride in Brooklyn this weekend.

1155
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it smelled like it. And that's all I'm

1156
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: gonna say.

1157
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 2: That's what I'm thinking. Like that, the monologue in.

1158
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: My head is like, okay, So Ikey says I do

1159
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 1: all those too. It's just silence. No one's telling me anything.

1160
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: I suppose it's more of a mental checklist. I keep.

1161
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: It's very difficult to articulate.

1162
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 2: Rachel how O, and then Michael Foot says, that's so cool.

1163
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 2: I'm jealous. Lol.

1164
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess you know. I do stay up quite

1165
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 1: late and enter the comment sections on my own videos.

1166
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 2: Sometimes I've been getting in trouble on threads.

1167
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: I don't know how to use threads.

1168
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 2: It's like Twitter.

1169
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 1: It's like Twitter, but in threads.

1170
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 2: Okay, I've been getting in trouble on threads.

1171
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm still confused about internal monologues. But thank

1172
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 1: you Icky for giving us.

1173
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:26,959
Speaker 2: Lisa Feris Stokes, it's so exhausting, Yeah, having a monologue, yes,

1174
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 2: because it's because it never it never stops. For me,

1175
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 2: it never stops. It's constant.

1176
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: Well, I've been meditating a lot. I've been trying to

1177
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: meditate every day, twice a day, that is, but it's

1178
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: still there.

1179
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 2: I could not. I would try. It's really very hard. Yeah.

1180
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got an app, but then they stole all

1181
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: my data and then I entered a class action lawsuit

1182
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: and then they paid me for like four hundred dollars.

1183
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 2: You got four hundred dollars. Yeah, I was in a

1184
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 2: class action lawsuit and I feel like it was for

1185
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 2: like a bad hair product. Then I think in the

1186
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 2: end I got like three dollars.

1187
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 1: And usually something like that. So when I got it,

1188
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, they really must have done something

1189
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: nefarious or my data. There's definitely like stole my passport

1190
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: or something. Anyway, all right, we got an email about

1191
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 1: the Transracialism episode.

1192
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 2: Oh we did.

1193
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll read it as a white man. The Transracialism

1194
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: episode was amazing from beginning to end. Okay, I was

1195
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 1: so mad during that interview. People came up to me

1196
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: at a bar a couple of weeks ago and they

1197
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 1: were like, we heard the Transracialism episode and were you

1198
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: angry because you sounded pissed off? And I have to

1199
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 1: tell you I was no.

1200
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 2: I know you were some function I so a. I

1201
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 2: knew you were mad because I know Michael.

1202
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 1: Don't come on my show and say something stupid shit. Well,

1203
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

1204
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 2: I guess I think I think what I wish. What

1205
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 2: I wish was that I don't know if the person

1206
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 2: who no, no, no, no. I don't know if if

1207
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 2: she was nervous or whatever. I just felt like the

1208
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 2: her argument for me, don't look at me like her argument,

1209
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 2: her argument for me, it was not holding up for

1210
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 2: me and I and I and I kind of wanted

1211
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 2: it to because I wanted to be I wanted to

1212
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 2: be proved wrong, you know what I mean? Because and

1213
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 2: I still cannot understand why my reaction was such like

1214
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 2: I was just like, what but when I think about

1215
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 2: trans people, that is not the reaction that I have

1216
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:34,479
Speaker 2: and I and I still can't. For me, I can't

1217
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 2: rationalize why I feel so opposed to those two things.

1218
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, and other people were like michael'sunded mad.

1219
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 2: I'm like he was mad. I think it's I think

1220
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 2: it was. You know, anybody who either knows you or

1221
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,479
Speaker 2: has been paying attention, don't use.

1222
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 1: The trans community as your excuse to say some.

1223
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 2: Well you like you didn't you weren't buying it, and

1224
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 2: you start to shut down.

1225
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 1: I wasn't like it's okay to come at me with

1226
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 1: like a very obscure argument that you're okay, but don't

1227
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 1: angle it against the existence of trans people.

1228
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 2: That is where I'm like, do you think that's what

1229
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 2: she was doing.

1230
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 1: I think that the argument really fell apart when she

1231
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: couldn't compare it to trans people, right, yes, yeah. And

1232
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 1: that's when I was like, okay, well, when you have

1233
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: something that holds it up that isn't trans people, come

1234
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 1: to me and I'm happy to hear it out. But

1235
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: until then, I'm shutting down Michael. I kept being like

1236
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 1: at a frame, and that's why if you rewatched that,

1237
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 1: it's all Melissa all the time.

1238
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 2: And at some point I'm looking at Michael like, all right.

1239
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 1: Well that was us an Afferman interview.

1240
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 2: Well that was different.

1241
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: That was so funny. It was that we had to

1242
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 1: tag in and out because I kept giggling, and then

1243
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: you'd take it over, and then when you started giggling,

1244
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 1: I'd take it over. I loved it so much. It

1245
01:03:57,560 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 1: was so much fun.

1246
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 2: But we knew that we had lost all control the

1247
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 2: moment the moment it started. Said he's in his car,

1248
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 2: in his car and he can't figure out how to

1249
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 2: do whatever.

1250
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: You can't get on zoom.

1251
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he couldn't get on Zoom because they had to

1252
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:17,439
Speaker 2: download it. He didn't have the app.

1253
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 1: And that was when I was like his first interview

1254
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: ever the place, the first interview with that.

1255
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 2: I know, but he was it was he was such

1256
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 2: a good time.

1257
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 1: Poor person's listening, like Michael read my email already. Okay,

1258
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 1: trans Racialism episode was amazing. The Lemon revenge story had

1259
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 1: me doing my best good for her. Lucille Bluth, I lived,

1260
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 1: thank you. I lived in Michigan, not far from where

1261
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 1: Jonathan Schmidt's murdered Scott i'm a Dore in nineteen ninety five.

1262
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 1: We were just talking about this. I was in college

1263
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 1: and very active in the LGBT rights movement. Everyone, I

1264
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: mean everyone thought Schmid's was a closeted queer. Again, please

1265
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: don't sue me. This is all very alleged and allgi

1266
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 1: a legend personally alleged for the show, alleged for exactly right,

1267
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 1: Alleged for Karen and Georgia, alleged from Melissa.

1268
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 2: Allegend.

1269
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, everyone, everyone, everyone's allegend here. Ten Toe's down,

1270
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: ten little tutsis down, leg O'Ryan. Michigan is a very

1271
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 1: conservative area, as is the bulk of Oakland County. We

1272
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 1: all understood gay panic to mean panicking because you have

1273
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 1: gay feelings. Wow, Okay, that's so interesting.

1274
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 2: It is interesting.

1275
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 1: This was not a time or place where straight men

1276
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 1: had gay friends. It just wasn't like that. Wow, believe

1277
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 1: big kay Josh's alleged story.

1278
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 2: I love that they say that.

1279
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 1: They said that, Oh yeah, we don't know who wrote

1280
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 1: this in and knew what it was allegedly. Okay, thank

1281
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 1: you so much.

1282
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 2: For someone's paying attention.

1283
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 1: You for protecting me. Knew what it was allegedly going

1284
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 1: to be before you even read it, because that was

1285
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 1: always the assumption since nineteen ninety five. Wow, I mean

1286
01:05:55,960 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 1: talk about hanging out with gay people and yeah, you couldn't,

1287
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: like it was straight guys just didn't have gay friends.

1288
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 1: And I guess we have one gay friend who he's

1289
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 1: he's our little mascot, and we take him with us. Okay,

1290
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 1: it's educational for him with you. Yeah, it's kind of

1291
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 1: like a national geographic tour for him. You know when

1292
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 1: they do those cruises sometimes you could see the Pelicans.

1293
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 1: It's like that when we take him to Brooklyn Pride and.

1294
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 2: Who's who are the pelicans in this situation?

1295
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 1: Us me and we're teaching what an apperall sprit says,

1296
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: you know, like it's it's very that.

1297
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 2: By the way, so they're disgusting my cousin. So I

1298
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 2: was actually really like touched and surprised. Shout out to Nino,

1299
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 2: who apparently listens to us and sent me a picture

1300
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 2: of he and his wife drinking aparaol sprits is and

1301
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Speaker 2: he was like, they're really good, Misa. I know.

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Speaker 1: Okay, three seems like really educational about internal monologue. So

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Speaker 1: do you want to do we trade off paragraphs. It's

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Speaker 1: a little long, but it seems like they really come

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Speaker 1: out of.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Hello, Melissa, Michael Love Love Love the podcast site. Disclaimer,

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Speaker 2: I am not a psychologist. I'm sure you'll get a

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Speaker 2: ton of emails about this. We did, but I had

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Speaker 2: to write in I'm one of the ten percent question

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Speaker 2: mark of people who doesn't have an internal monologue. That

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean that I don't have thoughts. Y'all are equating

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Speaker 2: having an internal didn't we do this already?

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Speaker 1: No? Okay, just everyone has thoughts about this.

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Speaker 2: Y'all are equating having an internal monologue with thinking. But

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Speaker 2: an internal monologue or thinking in a scheme of words,

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Speaker 2: is just one type of thinking.

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Speaker 1: I have thoughts. I'm thinking all the time. I like

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Speaker 1: to think. I have a conscience in ethics. Lol.

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Speaker 2: I love that they said lol, because maybe.

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Speaker 1: It's someone who follows me and that's how they got here,

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Speaker 1: because that is definitely someone who know what they would say.

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Speaker 1: I think about the decisions I make. I just don't

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Speaker 1: think in words. It's not a voice. I think a picture, sensation, sounds, impulses, interesting, fascinating.

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Speaker 1: So it's just like a non literary brain. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how to describe that. But anyway, a

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Speaker 1: thought doesn't occur to me in the language. It's a

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Speaker 1: single moment. Bam. Oh, I thought they meant Brooklyn Academy music.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Okay, maybe I'm the one with like a disrupted internal

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Speaker 1: monologue thought bam, another thought. It's really hard to describe

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Speaker 1: because again it's not thought in language, but I'm thinking constantly.

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Speaker 1: I guess it's just like non right.

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Speaker 2: But I think we had talked about this the other day,

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Speaker 2: and I think that even if it's not an internal monologue, yeah,

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Speaker 2: if you are having images and such coming through your head,

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Speaker 2: I think it is a sort of internal monologue.

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Speaker 1: I think when we heard internal monologue, we thought of

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Speaker 1: just blank.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Space. I was worried that it's like in when when

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Speaker 1: they kill the last hor Crux and he goes to

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Speaker 1: the train station and it's all white. That's what I

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Speaker 1: thought it was, And now we're learning it's very no.

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Speaker 2: How could it be that because there was something going

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Speaker 2: on in the in the what was it was in

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Speaker 2: the train station. There was something going on.

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Speaker 1: There was no spoilers?

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Speaker 2: Oh sorry, do you know what I'm saying? So I

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Speaker 2: think that I just could not understand what is it

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Speaker 2: if you don't have an internal monologue, an internal voice, yeah,

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Speaker 2: or images or sounds or whatever what's happening. But there's

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Speaker 2: a lot happening.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this person think critical thinking. They got a PhD

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Speaker 1: in literature. I was also pretty good math and science,

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Speaker 1: very visual thinker, and I tend to process thoughts internally,

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Speaker 1: not outloud. I'm a terble driver. But I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's like a minner monologue. Last point, it's a myth

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Speaker 1: that people without internal monologues can have anxiety, depression, or

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Speaker 1: other forms of mentalness, which is what I was hoping

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Speaker 1: for all of you, right. I sometimes hear from people, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm jealous. I yeah, but it's not empty up there.

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Speaker 1: It's full of be like everyone else. It just doesn't

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Speaker 1: come to me as a voice. It's like images. Oh interesting, okay.

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Speaker 2: But I but again, I think that just because it's

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Speaker 2: not a voice like chatter chatter chatter, right, the fact

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Speaker 2: that there are images, it's like a flip book, right, yeah,

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Speaker 2: which is not the same but parallel.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah. What about synesthesia? Have you heard of this? Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's when it's not in our notes. But it's like

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Speaker 1: when people hear music, they like see the color purple. Oh,

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Speaker 1: it's like a mental condition. I don't think it's like

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Speaker 1: a disorder. I think it's like just a mental condition.

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Speaker 1: Are they like taste something when they hear music or

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Speaker 1: they just have like their senses are just like connected

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Speaker 1: in a different way.

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Speaker 2: So right in, if you have.

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Speaker 1: Synesthesia, and explain it to me, because I do think

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Speaker 1: I'm getting it wrong.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I was going to say so that if

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Speaker 2: you are so, if you're in a concert.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like it only splotches of different colors.

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Speaker 2: There's just a lot. There's just so much. It is

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Speaker 2: so hard to be alive.

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Speaker 1: You have sent a sizah and you look at the

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Speaker 1: reflecting pool and do you see what color? Do you see.

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Speaker 2: Or do you hear music when you see the algae? Like?

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Speaker 2: And what is it? Is it like creepy music?

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Speaker 1: What did they say about the algae and the reflection pool?

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Speaker 1: It's the first president to get outsmarted by a single

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Speaker 1: cell organism. God, oh, we got them all right. We

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Speaker 1: made the camera guy's lab. Let's get out of here. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that was tales from the DMS. Be sure to write

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Speaker 1: into us with all your wild questions. We can't wait

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Speaker 1: to read them. This has been Brief Recess. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next in court.

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Speaker 2: Yeah not me though, never me.

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Speaker 1: Just we're gonna reset the hearing. This has been an

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Speaker 1: exactly right production recorded at iHeart Studios, posted by me Michael.

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Speaker 2: Foot and me Melissa Albrant. Our producer is CJ. Ferroni.

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Speaker 1: This episode was edited by Nicholas Galucci.

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Speaker 2: Our associate producer is Christina Chamberlain and our guest booker

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Speaker 2: is Patria Cottner.

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