1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. Welcome to our Bloomberg 2 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: television and radio audiences all around the world. Sk Heinix 3 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 1: the biggest first time US share sale buy a foreign company, 4 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: setting a record, and we are joined by sk Group 5 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: chairman k One. Congratulations, Oh, thank you, thank you, Ed. 6 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: I think a sensible place to start is why now, 7 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: you've been thinking about a US listening for some time, 8 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: But why put sk Heinex in front of US investors? 9 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: Now, Well, we've been waiting for that for a long 10 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 2: long time and since I acquired that Heinez about fifteen 11 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 2: years ago. 12 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 3: So this is one of my songs. 13 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 2: Well we have to go to access to the US 14 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 2: capital market, so now dream comes true. So people asking 15 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: why now, But well this is kind of kind of 16 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 2: always the moment. 17 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 3: While we can, we can have the moment possible. 18 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,279 Speaker 1: Twenty six point five billion dollars is a lot of money, 19 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: but in the context of s case commitment domestically in 20 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: Korea and internationally not so big. Can we expect multiple 21 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: returns to a DRS the sale of multiple rounds of 22 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: a DRS, Well, yes, I. 23 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 3: Expect we can. 24 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 2: We can deliver those things too, So we try to 25 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 2: expand that our ADL size and also better that actually 26 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 2: requires a better returns. Once we have a better return 27 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: than well, there is a more demand. So so first 28 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 2: thing is that while we have to keep the suck 29 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 2: price stable and well hopefully in our long run, then 30 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: will we can have that the well upside potentials. And 31 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: I see that the world this moment, So this is 32 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 2: a ai era. So there's ai era is actually spiked 33 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 2: that a lot of demand for the memory. 34 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 3: So this is the kind of time for us? 35 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: Is this something near term? Did you with the leadership 36 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: group and your CFO say we will need to do 37 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: this with regularity or you haven't discussed that yet. 38 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: Well, to tell you the truth, yeah, we've been discussing 39 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 2: that one. But I cannot just saying that in a 40 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 2: detail yet. 41 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: So I appreciate that Jamee and j The US listing 42 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: gives SK a new source of equity capital. But what 43 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: about the broader US capital markets. Do we see SK 44 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: group Skhinex as well become an issuer of global bonds 45 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: global debt? 46 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 2: Well that's a possible, but I guess right now the 47 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 2: well we have enough cash for the sk Heinex some 48 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 2: other when you could be actually issuing that another the 49 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: bond and the one yeah that the capital. 50 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: Market chairman j right, bear with me, I'm going to 51 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: get this out for our audience around the world. This 52 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: is why we're all here. This you can't even see it. 53 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: Tiny HBM four e hie bandwidth memory twelve layers in 54 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 1: this case, right, the whole world knows about this. How 55 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: severe and how tight is the supply right now of 56 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: HBM and more more importantly, how long is that going 57 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: to last? Do you have a sort of a year 58 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: where you see the supply situation changing. 59 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 2: Well, if you really understand the all the requirement and 60 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 2: the condition for that that HBM memories high and you 61 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 2: have to understand. 62 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 3: That the AA side first, so people. 63 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 2: Know that the lies of language model, Yes, yes, but 64 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 2: that larger language model as a very important things. 65 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 3: But I guess in the future, so the more. 66 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 2: We're using that AI and the AI actually requires more. 67 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: The inference phase. 68 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 2: Yes, but I see that memory the meaning is a 69 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 2: KB caching so well, it generated a lot of KB 70 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 2: cashing the. 71 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 3: Due to that. 72 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,679 Speaker 2: The keeping that the performance of the l l M, 73 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,679 Speaker 2: then you should have that the world the larger volume 74 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,359 Speaker 2: of the KB caching, and you have to actually this 75 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 2: is kind of a memory in the people that it's 76 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 2: the same thing we store that the memory in our brain. 77 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 2: And you a, I need that the world those kind 78 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 2: of KB caching, that memory has to show us somewhere. 79 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 2: So if you had that the world better size of 80 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 2: the memory, then a better performance as a as as 81 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 2: simple as that and that memory side as a well, 82 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 2: it's turning into well as a as a different different cycle. 83 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 2: I shouldn't say that the cycle is a different moment. 84 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 2: So uh and back then, uh, the old days. The 85 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 2: memory chip is a memory chip. Demand is actually depends 86 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 2: on the number of people, number of the hardware. 87 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 3: Said. 88 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 1: That was a consumer electronics story in part yes, boom 89 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:26,799 Speaker 1: and bust. 90 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, well mostly well you add that to 91 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 2: your own smartphone, but you don't need that the world 92 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 2: tens of different type of the smartphone. You only using 93 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 2: that to just one like a PC. Right, So the 94 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 2: demand is actually the limited. 95 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 3: By that the one number of the people. 96 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 2: But in AI era, that's a different You may use 97 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 2: that the your own AI agent in a probably in 98 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 2: a few years from uh from now, then you might 99 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 2: have that the tens over the hundreds difference of your 100 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 2: own agent, so that every agent needed a lot of memories. 101 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 2: Course that the world they created a lot of kb cashi, 102 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 2: so you have to actually saw somewhere that actually needs that. 103 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 2: The huge amount of the memory. Well that's the that's 104 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 2: the AI the era. So I guess that memory business 105 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 2: has turned into that. Well it's a different stitch. 106 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: You still called it a cycle though, that's the demand side. 107 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: A reason to do the ADRs is to raise capital, 108 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: in part to boost capacity. Your industry peers Micron had 109 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,239 Speaker 1: said very recently they have line of sight to supply 110 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: improving twenty twenty eight the other side of twenty twenty 111 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: seven in part because of the capacity that is coming online. 112 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: What does sk Heinex see. 113 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 2: Well, we didn't talk to that our customers, so where 114 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 2: we just announced that, Yeah, a few months ago. So 115 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 2: we're going to double up the Yes, within a five years. 116 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: So that means that what we've been doing that the 117 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 2: business in more than over twenty five years. 118 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 3: Uh. 119 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 2: And then while with the next five years we're going 120 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: to double up our whole copacity is well, people see 121 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 2: that that's unrealistic and probably the almost apply and people 122 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 2: worry about But my customer said that that's not enough. 123 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 3: We need it more. So I do up. There is 124 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 3: not uh, it's not enough. 125 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: Actually, what they want us that the world close rapping 126 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 2: where the uh yeah, five times six times. So the 127 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 2: more is the better because that will demand that will 128 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 2: be exponentially growth in the future. 129 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: Based on that customer demand. What do they see then? 130 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: If they are the crystal ball the lens to the future, 131 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: they believe that their level of demand will stay where 132 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: it is twenty twenty nine, twenty thirty. How long do 133 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: you supply tightness respond to that? 134 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 3: Well, nobody expected. 135 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,679 Speaker 2: I don't know, well what's going to happen in next years, 136 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 2: but I'm saying that, well, I have some confident then 137 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 2: the world the demand will be grown and our supply 138 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 2: compacity never want to catch up. 139 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 3: So I don't know how long. But well, if. 140 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 2: I think it's going to be until that people, our society, 141 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 2: human society has that there was some settlement with the 142 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 2: a G, I then well, I guess that the world 143 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 2: that's a kind of normalized that all the the cycles. 144 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 2: But anyhow, that until then, while we we need that 145 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 2: a lot of memories. 146 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 1: You're with us live on Bloomberg television and Bloomberg Radio worldwide, 147 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: and we're in conversation with SK Group chairman J K One, 148 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: and we're talking about a record for s K heinez 149 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: In in terms of us A d RS. Take me 150 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 1: back to twenty twelve, mm HM, s K acquires Heinex. 151 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 1: At the time, people questioned that decision. What did they 152 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: not see? What did they miss that you saw about 153 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: the potential of that memory market. 154 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 2: That's a kind of a bold decision, and that is 155 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 2: I think that the Well I made that really risky, 156 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: bad in a sense of the financially because that the 157 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 2: companies really suffer from that deep dead and also has 158 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 2: to fighting with that it's own survival because that the 159 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 2: well fifteen years ago, that company is under control by 160 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 2: that the banks. 161 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 3: So simply it's a chapter eleven and yes, but. 162 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 2: In quorean sense, what we were doing that the banks 163 00:09:55,600 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 2: is are is a what our programs. So but they're 164 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 2: doing that more than ten years, you know, the work programs. 165 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 2: That actually means that nobody really wants that the world 166 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:12,559 Speaker 2: this portfolio because that's it's too risky. Reason why as 167 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 2: a well, memory business is a cyclical and that actually 168 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 2: suffered from that. The uncontrollable CICLIC business cycle. And it 169 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 2: requires that the u every year multi billion dollar KPEX, 170 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 2: no matter, no matter how so even though you don't 171 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 2: make the money, but that the business that requires that 172 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 2: the machines and expand and addue technologies and buying that 173 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 2: the new equipment, and they have to spend the huge 174 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 2: size up to the KPEX. 175 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 3: That's why. 176 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 2: And nobody really wants that, uh, those kinds of danger business. Yes, 177 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 2: I see a little bit different because that well if 178 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 2: you see that there were different angle. This memory manufacturing 179 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 2: is most sophisticated the manufacturing business. 180 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 3: So if you really do it, then you can do anything. 181 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 3: I can. 182 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: The technology, the process, yes. 183 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 2: And also the whole process of that manufacturing as it 184 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 2: actually well once you make that the little chips, but 185 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 2: chip inside that three hundred eighty billion transistor in it. 186 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 3: So that's the business. 187 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 2: So how we're going to create that those kinds of 188 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 2: things and it's a small uh yeah or small size 189 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 2: and the silicon things and we actually put it in 190 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 2: the huge size of the world, the transistors. That's a 191 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 2: that's a state of art of the technology. So once 192 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 2: you're doing that, and I can manage anythings and the 193 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 2: well I can actually challenge anything. 194 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 3: Also, digital world, they create a lot of memory in the. 195 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: Future, right, so that saw that, Yes, I just bet. 196 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 2: Better onder that and well people need that the memory. 197 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, you talked about managing the process and the idea 198 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: that you know, at that time in twenty twelve, debt 199 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: was a very big consideration in the market. It was 200 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: boom and bust cyclical. How much is this You've been 201 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: asked about this a lot. But the idea of the 202 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:33,239 Speaker 1: long term agreement with customers changed that history. 203 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 3: Right. 204 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 2: But there's a supply shootage, and every customer wants to 205 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 2: have the secure that the will they will want supply 206 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 2: the cover up that they won't demand. So they're asking 207 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 2: us that the one we need some kind of the 208 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 2: long term contract. It's not suggested by us and the world. 209 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 2: They actually required that them. 210 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: That's making the proposal, not Sky. 211 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 3: That's okay, so they are more willing. 212 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 2: Well, we're also doing love to do it because it's 213 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 2: not sickly coal business anymore. If we had it a 214 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 2: long term agreement as well, even though it's a downtown 215 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 2: and we still maintained that our volumes and a certain. 216 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,839 Speaker 3: Level of the price, so that actually. 217 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 2: Give us a different moment, and that actually created another 218 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 2: opportunity for we can change it our business model. 219 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: Even what about SK's commitments. Where are you going to 220 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:33,839 Speaker 1: prioritize your investment, you know, domestically versus here in America, 221 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: not just with the proceeds from this US share sale, 222 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,199 Speaker 1: but generally with your balance. 223 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 2: Generally outside of the highex and the most important matter 224 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,719 Speaker 2: as AI datas and a business. So we announced it 225 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 2: almost at the one trillion dollar investment in the next 226 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 2: ten years and to set up with the aids. My 227 00:13:54,920 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 2: target is about a fifteen giga in Korea. I guess 228 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 2: that the five you go out in outside of the career. 229 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 2: So I'm looking for that. There's whatever area including US side, 230 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 2: and you know, if there is a good chance. And 231 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 2: the problem is that the world maintaing is a power, 232 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 2: so power and the price of the electric city as 233 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 2: a well, that's a very important matter with the AI 234 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 2: data centers. But once we build that AI data centers 235 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 2: and then well it can actually seemed to between that 236 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 2: the memory chip and the infrastructure matter. 237 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 3: That's that's what I'm doing and in the future. 238 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: We're live on Bloomberg Television and on Bloomberg Radio and 239 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: this is Bloomberg Tech in conversation with SK Group chairman 240 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: j One. 241 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 3: Thank you. 242 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: You talked about the data center, the issues of the 243 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: data center. This is an SK Group approach. Yes, so 244 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: you're talking about this K Group looking more broadly at 245 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: the AI stack, not just memory. Yes, where else we 246 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: focus your attentions? 247 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 2: Well, the company like SKA Telecom and well, they're doing that. 248 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 2: They will study on the putting in their resources they 249 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 2: own ll M, also the applications and the physical side yes, 250 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 2: robotics yes, and the hous kre side. Well, there is 251 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 2: a well, there's a bunch of opportunities and the world. 252 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 2: We've been actually trying to pursuing that the world all 253 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 2: those business opportunities in the future. 254 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: An issue here in America and in career is talent. 255 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: There is a deficit of skilled workers in the chip 256 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: industry in America. And a company like Micron knows that 257 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: there is a lot of talented people in Korea. How 258 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: are you going to manage that? And again your investment 259 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: plans for here in the USA. 260 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 2: Well, to secure that, uh, bring that more talent is 261 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 2: what a dr is one thing, one good, one option 262 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 2: options and they give it all said there was some 263 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 2: some kind of financial play options like well even the 264 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 2: stock options then while we could actually. 265 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 4: Uh using that the a DR directly, so it actually 266 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 4: attracted a lot of people's a lot of talent to 267 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 4: the world to our growth. 268 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: See the a DRS is also about public perception of. 269 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 2: S K, right, that's that's all other things, and the 270 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 2: perception is matter so well also, well we have to 271 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 2: spend a huge money on the recluding a lot of 272 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 2: good talent. And I'm I don't really care about the talent. 273 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 2: Is it could have been at the y US Japan 274 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 2: while it's everywhere, So while I tried to recruiting that 275 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 2: much more the talent, and that's the kind of important things. 276 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 2: And I'm asking that our CEOs too, well, your job 277 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 2: has a secure that our talent in the future is 278 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 2: let's just say they're doing and well, we're gonna we're 279 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 2: gonna created a lot of jobs, and well I've announced 280 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 2: that more several trillion dollar investment plan for the future. 281 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 3: So they need a lot of talent, right. 282 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: Chairman Ja, what is the biggest technological advantage that s 283 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: K is built hm HM. 284 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 3: For one of the memory side. 285 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: Or memory side process design. 286 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 2: I guess that, Well, you cannot just as the saying 287 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 2: just one things, but what's. 288 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: The most important thing? 289 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 2: Wow, one team so henex Uh, well, I really focused 290 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 2: on the we could bring them to just one company, 291 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 2: one team. So uh, this is a simple business model 292 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 2: and memory manufacturing. So well, we can actually emphasize that 293 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 2: we are just one team. And so I think that 294 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 2: the one team made that we are really one big 295 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 2: historical achievement. Now, So that's what I'm saying, and that's 296 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 2: the most important matter. Yeah, you can say that the wash, 297 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 2: what design capacity is and what process technology. 298 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 3: This is right, but that's. 299 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: All working with t SMC on the base eye, which 300 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: the others do not do. 301 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 2: Also, well, we don't actually compete with that there were 302 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 2: any customers. 303 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 3: That's another You. 304 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: Do not compete with any customers, and you feel that's important. 305 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 2: Yes, that's important, and that actually gives us a lot 306 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 2: of room to actually partnership in the future. So that's 307 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 2: how we can actually maintain all those partnerships. 308 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 1: Bigger picture, Can you catch up with Samsung? 309 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 3: Oh that's a I don't want to answer those kind 310 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 3: of questions, so I don't. Well, my main goal is 311 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 3: that the one I have to make. 312 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 2: Our stakeholder happy, yes, wow, and not to that there's 313 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 2: a well, certain part is a competition, but I'm not 314 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 2: really wanting to head that. 315 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 3: Well, that's my main goal. 316 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: And all those chairman, because the shareholders love the profit, 317 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: the customers want more capacity, more supply, those seem to 318 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: be competing ideals. 319 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 3: That's what we call that the stakeholders. 320 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 2: So it's not only the shareholders, so share or the 321 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 2: ones that are great returncy right and customer ones that 322 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 2: the world cheap product and the enough supplies. But well, 323 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 2: I cannot just satisfy every time every stakeholder. But while 324 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 2: we had at a certain balance, so you know between 325 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 2: that stakeholder and what I'm really seeing that well, I 326 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 2: also have to make that my members and members of 327 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 2: the company one. They have to be the happy, so 328 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 2: happy company, make that the happy reachard. 329 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: So that's a simple I need to say a chairman, Jay, 330 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: the ADRs one stakeholder, the US investor. The ADRs indicated 331 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: to open one hundred and seventy seven dollars per ADR. 332 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 1: Of course the ADRs were priced at one hundred and 333 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 1: forty nine. The memory market is also evolving, so while 334 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: supply is tight, there's a there's a very broad look 335 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: at other technologies. I'm very interested about SK's Henex's approach 336 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: to nand and flash memory and the role you see 337 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: that technology playing going forward. 338 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 2: Right, So that's a different type of the memory storage. 339 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 2: So DAM has that to their own functions. But there's 340 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 2: the instant things and like what people we just remember 341 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 2: there's certain numbers and the well if you just prepared 342 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 2: that the U exam, then are you had the real 343 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,479 Speaker 2: good memory or of those numbers and the certain target. 344 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 2: But you also need that a lot of other memories. 345 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 2: And when you was young then you had that some memories, 346 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 2: but well that memory needs that the not just that 347 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 2: uh in a brain. You probably saw that the summer, 348 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 2: but like well a I A I need that. 349 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 3: The was a lot of stewage. 350 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 2: So DAM has that the world instant response and the 351 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 2: instant the response the type of memories and you usually 352 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 2: saw there. But if you had the more big size 353 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 2: and we called that the core data. So if it's 354 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 2: a cold data, then you could actually soar in the Uh. 355 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, where is where sorry to interrupt you, championship, where 356 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: is the innovation on the other side. 357 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 2: Oh, there's a lot of technologies, and the problem is 358 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 2: that the world in an end it actually well responses, well, 359 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 2: I need that a lot of the time. That means 360 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 2: a latency. So uh another two showing that what that 361 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 2: uh the latency, Well, we need that a lot of 362 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 2: special technology on that and well probably well what we 363 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,479 Speaker 2: call that the k D cashing, the key value cashing, 364 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 2: and uh, while that the cash has to store in 365 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 2: the somewhere. So that's the kind of the pyramid, the 366 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 2: highlarchy of the world, the whole memory storage systems, and 367 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 2: we need that all those evolutions of the world, those 368 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 2: memory things. 369 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: And s K will invest into that technology. 370 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 2: Of course, that's our the main business and uh, well 371 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 2: we're gonna we're gonna make it. And we could actually 372 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 2: well deliver some of the business model even not just 373 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 2: that the memory producers, so we could actually memory services 374 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 2: that the memory as a service you know in the 375 00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 2: future that that is another area. 376 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 3: So we could actually focus on so talk a. 377 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 1: Little bit more about memory as a service. Well the 378 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: basics of how that would work. 379 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 2: Well, right now, it's a kind of imaginary things. And yeah, yes, 380 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 2: just the idea. So but I think that our whole 381 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 2: AI trend, the direction goes there because that the memory 382 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 2: is a kind of. 383 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 3: A real battle lock and we have to solve it. 384 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 2: And some of the specialists actually bring that the certain 385 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 2: type of solution to. 386 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 3: The itchy customers and the eachy application. 387 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 2: So it's not just that the world one solution could 388 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 2: actually cover that all those problems. It's not going to happen, 389 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 2: but as an influencing market, and that influencing market has 390 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 2: that to day and the characteristic that characteristic, and we 391 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 2: have to develop that a certain adjustment for that. The 392 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 2: stack up to the memories and how to do it, 393 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 2: and we needed some special software together. But anyhow that well, 394 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 2: we could actually solve as a kind of solviceers rather 395 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 2: than just said here is the memory and. 396 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:03,360 Speaker 3: You just use it. 397 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 2: But we just fixed that the oh, all kinds of 398 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 2: different memory are the memory systems. So once we made 399 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 2: it and we could actually do aware as a kind 400 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 2: of service rather than just said produce that just a commodity. 401 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,360 Speaker 1: It's an interesting look at the future. We are live 402 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Television and Radio. Speaking to ESK Group chairman 403 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: Cha in October, when you spoke to Bloomberg's sherry On said, 404 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: everyone asked me about AI bubble, AI bubble, AI bubble. 405 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 1: And you said at the time it's about the cost 406 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 1: of AI. The cost of AI is too high. Yeah, 407 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: has that changed since October? And what is the trajectory 408 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: of the cost of AI? 409 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, of course they'll be AI as well. 410 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 2: You could actually say that the. 411 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: Token four dollar token per dollar or dollar per token basis. 412 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, anyhow that we have to lower down that, uh, 413 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 2: the token cost. 414 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: But do you see it coming down? 415 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,719 Speaker 2: Yes, actually, well, uh were they in a three years? 416 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 2: Actually token cost is about one fifth over the one tenth, 417 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 2: So that's the evolutions and well there's a lot of 418 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 2: players just contribute that those kind of the token cost is. 419 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 3: Way down. 420 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 2: So even my memory company makes some solution for the 421 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 2: how how we can actually lower down that the token cost. 422 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 2: That's our challenge and our direction goes there. So that's 423 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 2: the kind of ecosystem for the AI. And well right 424 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 2: now it's course is too high. But uh, somehow that 425 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 2: our technology in a down the load probably five year, 426 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 2: ten years and the while we actually digested all those 427 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 2: problems and it could actually be the well everybody's AI 428 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 2: and everybody could actually using today on the Asian in 429 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 2: the future. 430 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 3: So that's that's that's the attraction I see. 431 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: But no AI bubble, AI bubble. 432 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 3: And well when you see that, the AI bubble, and uh. 433 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 2: That's real world and the sun market, sun market always 434 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 2: that I see that there's some obo shooting and uh, 435 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 2: well it's too hard to cold, so there might be 436 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 2: that the world there's a lot of bubble for that 437 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,719 Speaker 2: the stock prices up, but that just reflect that doesn't 438 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 2: actually reflect it the whole real world. 439 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 3: But the trend wise is a f is a long 440 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 3: long than two years. 441 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 2: Three years down the road, and uh, you could actually 442 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 2: reflect that the old the real world. 443 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 3: That's what I see it. 444 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 2: Well you can say that the AI bubble, but I 445 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 2: see that the world stun market. But this AI technology 446 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,880 Speaker 2: is real, so you use it, use it and well actually, 447 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 2: uh the problem is, well these AI things right now 448 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 2: is a little uh in more sure the imperfect. 449 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the early stage. 450 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 2: Of course, that's a holy stage, is a kind of 451 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 2: I said that there's only four years old, baby, but 452 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,239 Speaker 2: when you become the well some the college boy and 453 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 2: something else, and it has that a much more than mature. 454 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 2: So it could actually have us set a lot of 455 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 2: productivity and we just rely on all those things, and 456 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 2: there's this kind of race and that. Well, right now 457 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 2: we see that there's some AI trial. 458 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: Chair and chay, it's a historic day literally making history 459 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: with the ADRs. But the focus on America. Sk relationship 460 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: with America. What is your relationship like with the Trump 461 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: administration and how are you working with them to bring 462 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: more of s k Heinex to this country. 463 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 2: Well, not only just skis and we've been already ask 464 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 2: already investiating at the more than thirty five billion dollars 465 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 2: in US side, and not many people uh noticed those things, 466 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 2: but we do have bio business. We do have the 467 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 2: battery business, and high suggested announced that a new fab 468 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 2: in the Indiana side, and also ESK Telecom made it 469 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 2: a lot of investments in the AI startups. So we 470 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 2: already invested in the thirty five. But I see that, Well, 471 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 2: my plan is that much bigger number, so bigger than 472 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 2: thirty five. Well much much much bigger than thirty five. 473 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 2: So I'm planning to and this is one my stone. 474 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 2: And we access that the US capital market and we 475 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 2: have a lot of options, and also we had that 476 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 2: responsibility to keeping the share price and uh, well, so 477 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 2: one good thing is that we made at the right 478 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 2: investment and uh so. 479 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 3: We keep it at our own value. 480 00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: China, it's an important market China of AI. 481 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 3: Now China AI as well. 482 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 2: We have to actually noticed that the China approach is 483 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 2: way different than the US side. 484 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: Household. 485 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 2: They have a lot of disorder on the AI side, 486 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 2: but anyhow that they put it in a lot of 487 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 2: adult resources. 488 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: The number one is that the human force, so human capital. 489 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 2: Human capital and the number of people, number of engineers 490 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 2: so annually while they had that stem, the student from 491 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 2: the major in the STEM and it's more than the 492 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 2: million students has come out and every year. So they're 493 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 2: looking for the jobs and mostly they applied to the 494 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 2: tech area. When you say tech area is probably fifty 495 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 2: is the AI side. So they are a yeah as 496 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 2: a well as a yeah, they're using that the different stretches. 497 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 2: So I don't see that there were any any kind 498 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 2: of well the visible rejart yet, but there is some 499 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 2: science and they're making that, uh some the cheap away 500 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 2: and they tried to create that the word cheaper token, 501 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 2: the token costs the compatability. 502 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 3: Yes, that's a kind of important matter. 503 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 2: And uh, the US focused on the top niche marker 504 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 2: and well the quality of tokens, but China is a 505 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 2: focused on other ways. So I don't know the resart 506 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 2: but uh, well I see that. What if they're using 507 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 2: the different stretches. 508 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: SK Group Chairman Jean, thank you, congratulations, thank you,