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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three, episode two

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Speaker 1: of The Daily Zeitgeist for October seventeen. My name is

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Speaker 1: Jack O'Brien a K A Potatoes O'Brien a K A

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Speaker 1: young jackfruit a k A Obi one play no D

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Speaker 1: and I am joined by my co host, Mr Miles Gray. Yes,

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Speaker 1: your boys in the building, Miles Gray, a K A

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Speaker 1: young boy kusama a k A Yoko. Oh no you didn't.

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Speaker 1: That's a new one for you. I love it. And

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Speaker 1: in our third seat today, we're thrilled to be joined

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Speaker 1: by Jamie Loftus. Hello, a k A. Jerry lor Bach.

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Speaker 1: Jerry Lorba. Yeah, yeah, yeah, where did that name come from?

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Speaker 1: Jerry lor Bach? I'm Jerry Orbach, equal twins, still alive.

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Speaker 1: His eyes are in someone's head, right and but yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're looking at him, maybe Jerry lor Bach. Jamie, what's

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Speaker 1: something that you've searched for in the past couple of

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Speaker 1: days that is revealing of who you are as a

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Speaker 1: human being? Oh boy? Okay, So last night it I

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Speaker 1: uh there was Dateline was on at a bar because

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Speaker 1: that's the kind of bar I frequent, and it's my

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Speaker 1: favorite season. I watched Dateline religiously but it's my favorite

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Speaker 1: season for Dateline because Lester Holt is wearing like really

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Speaker 1: thick turtlenecks and Keith Morrison was reporting. So I I

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Speaker 1: looked up one of my old favorite Instagram accounts, Keith

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Speaker 1: leans on Things, where Keith Morrison has found leaning on

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Speaker 1: really every object you can imagine anything. He's it's a

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Speaker 1: he can he is in control of his body because

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Speaker 1: these things he's leaning on are not always stable. There's

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Speaker 1: a picture of him leaning on a leaf, like a

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Speaker 1: large palm leaf. He's in total control and uh and uh,

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Speaker 1: and he's hot. I just like to think he's incapable

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Speaker 1: actually like this just like propped up there all and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna he's got like a faulty leg. I feel like,

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Speaker 1: let's not rule out that he has like little hollow

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Speaker 1: bird bones, you know, like he might just he might

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Speaker 1: blow away. He is the guy who Bill Hayter does

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Speaker 1: the impression of right, yeah, yeah, flawlessly yeah, uh so overrated, underrated?

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Speaker 1: What what do you got for your Alright? My ovie

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Speaker 1: is uh weird Al's music being used on The Walking Dead.

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Speaker 1: I think, man, what a what a dumb I can't man,

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Speaker 1: I've what do you meet? Wait? They used it like

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Speaker 1: as a theme song? They used it during an episode?

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Speaker 1: What song did they use again? Another one rides the Bus?

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Speaker 1: Incredible creative genius weird Aled. Did they use it as

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Speaker 1: be in a car that was playing weird Now. I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty sure it was like using it as a bed

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Speaker 1: under a scene like wow, yeah, okay cool. Potentially accidentally,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe they thought they were using another one.

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Speaker 1: It got to the point they cheaper for licensing, like

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Speaker 1: its alternative but overrated weird Al in general, if you

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Speaker 1: if you're over eight years old and still about that life,

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Speaker 1: uh maybe maybe time to grow up. I'm sorry, I

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Speaker 1: personally don't add me. I don't have me bro I

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Speaker 1: personally and of the same mind. I'm not a huge

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Speaker 1: weird alfan. I haven't been since I was like eight.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Yeah, I mean sitting on stacks of New York.

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Speaker 1: Jack's whole outfit is made of economist covers, but like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I liked weird out as a kid. You're right, but

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Speaker 1: I think I wrote it out to at least thirteen.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't like one of these. I didn't jump off

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Speaker 1: the ship at eight. Like after Amish Paradise, I was like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we're good. There's there's men in there are thirties who

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Speaker 1: I don't know, listen, I'm going to some real sinister dates.

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Speaker 1: Go to a bar that plays Dateline on the TV

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Speaker 1: and there's like, hey, you really want to go to

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Speaker 1: my cart? Is some weird what a time to be alive?

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Speaker 1: What's underrated? My my undy would be? And this is

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Speaker 1: just something that I've been listening to a lot recently.

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Speaker 1: Is the music of Yanni? I feel like no, because

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Speaker 1: you can't ov the music of Yanni, But I feel

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Speaker 1: like people will talk about his music. It doesn't come

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Speaker 1: up enough in my regular life. Hold on what's like

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Speaker 1: the men are very talented. I feel like Yanni should

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Speaker 1: or however long he did that, that's that's that's some techers.

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Speaker 1: Wait what did you play? I played trumpet? I played

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Speaker 1: did Yeah? Good for you. Did you make your own reads?

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Speaker 1: I did make my own? Oh so you're about that life.

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Speaker 1: I was about that life. Circular breathing is I mean

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Speaker 1: I never arrived there. I couldn't either. It's in depth,

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Speaker 1: we can't. But making reads is crazy because I was

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Speaker 1: So He's just like, and now I give you a

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Speaker 1: entire high school. Really regretting, uh, jumping on the same

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Speaker 1: but he gets he gets a lot of it. Ten shinn.

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Speaker 1: Yanni doesn't get the attention he deserves. Does Yanni have

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Speaker 1: anything to do with the Yanni Steam? That's why I've

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Speaker 1: Yanni Steam. I've purchased a Yanni Egg, which is just

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Speaker 1: get into today's stories. We wanted to start out with, uh,

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Speaker 1: something I hadn't even heard about, but apparently the US

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Speaker 1: So this guy Bill Browder then, you know, in Magnitsky's name,

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Speaker 1: Like he's tried to get Interpoll to issue warrants I

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Speaker 1: like no, dude, like this is politically motivated, Like there's

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Speaker 1: whether he's arrested or not, like he's his whole feed

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Speaker 1: is just like this is what's happening to me. Everything

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Speaker 1: the pain, which is great a respect. He also is

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Speaker 1: honest with himself. Um wait a second, Donald Trump not honest,

425
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Speaker 1: possibly delusional with himself, and I think Kelly too to to.

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00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: I don't know Kelly, Uh. I think when he took

427
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 1: over for Ryan's previous we were all like well, good,

428
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: finally somebody who doesn't behave and doesn't have the name

429
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Speaker 1: of somebody who is a bad guy and like a

430
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 1: Harry Potter book. Um, but I don't know, I think

431
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:46,640
Speaker 1: that was probably wishful thinking and I'm not totally sure

432
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: like where our hope came from, Like general Kelly ran

433
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 1: Gitmo for a long time. Um, so well, yeah, I

434
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,479
Speaker 1: think it just shows you relative to where everything is.

435
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: It's like, well, as long as it's not the thing

436
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: that's happening now, then it has to be better. And

437
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: it's like like, well, if it's not previous what someone different,

438
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: that means maybe something different will happen. Therefore it could

439
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: be better. But yeah, I mean, I mean, and to

440
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: to Kelly's credit, I think I mean, he has a history,

441
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 1: and he has a troubled history, but I feel like

442
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 1: at least presents himself more on paper as like someone

443
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: who wants to serve his country. Um. And so I mean,

444
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: even though you can go into him like what, I

445
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: don't know, It's it's hard because it's like who is

446
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 1: the option then, because at least Kelly has experience, but

447
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 1: but it's an interesting experience. Yeah, exactly. His CV is

448
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: a kind of interesting. But he also too, he was

449
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: in charge of the DHS. He was like for the

450
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: travel bands and for a lot of like this aggressive

451
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 1: like you know, like immigration stuff. So yeah, he's he's

452
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: been a big supporter of the Trump agenda. Uh So

453
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: it's hard to see like, oh, how he could be

454
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: the savior anyway. But again, I think it just speaks

455
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 1: to the fact that we are so sort of demoralized,

456
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: you're just down about everything that it's like, oh, well,

457
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: it's it's someone different. Maybe maybe this will be the

458
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: person that will finally get trumpeted, get in line, but

459
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: clearly that hasn't happened. I mean, yeah, I think we're

460
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 1: at the point where it's like, oh, the person with

461
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: the job has like even if it's like terrifying and

462
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: bad experience in the job, unbelievable, like it's yeah. At

463
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 1: the same I do think there's also sort of a

464
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: tacit awareness that, you know, a lot of the people

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00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: who are criticizing Trump about the way he spoke Todd

466
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 1: David Johnson's Johnson, uh that the people who are criticizing

467
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: that conversation are not overly familiar themselves with military values,

468
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 1: and so I feel like, you know, when Kelly came

469
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 1: out and you know, gave his speech. I don't know

470
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: if everybody saw his speech, but he talked about what

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00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: happens to a soldier when they are killed in on duty.

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00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: Um and you know, it was very heartfelt and emotional,

473
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: but underlying the speech there were like these weird kind

474
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 1: of values where he was basically saying that, uh, people

475
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 1: shouldn't be able to criticize the president if they haven't

476
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: served in the military. He's like, has this whole thing

477
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: about how he was so upset after hearing criticism of

478
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: Trump's phone call that he had to go walk among

479
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: the finest men and women on this earth and you

480
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: can always find them because they're in Arlington National Cemetery.

481
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: Um So he's like saying that unless you have fought

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Speaker 1: and died for the country, then you don't really, I

483
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: don't know, like have the right to speak. And then

484
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: at the end of the press conference, he took questions,

485
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: but only for members of the press who had a

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Speaker 1: personal connection to a fallen soldier or people who knew

487
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: a gold Star family. UM So, I don't know if

488
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: he was like actively trying to comment on that, but

489
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: I think that was sort of the cultural divide that

490
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: he was working with, Like, look, you guys aren't aware

491
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: you like take for granted that there's just this class,

492
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: this military class of people who are always going to

493
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: be out there fighting your wars for you. And I

494
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: do think that there's some truth to that criticism. At

495
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: the same time, I don't think we should just be

496
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: so sensitive about the fact that, uh, you know a

497
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: lot of people don't know somebody who's active duty military

498
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,719
Speaker 1: or who you know anybody who's in the military in general. Uh,

499
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: and we should be I don't think we should be

500
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: so sensitive that we just sort of let the general's

501
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: sort of do whatever they want. In this case, it's

502
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: a weird I mean, I was surprised when he came

503
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: out there and gave that press conference because I thought,

504
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: I think, like most people thought that it was a

505
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: weird move for Trump to bring in John Kelly's to

506
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: see his son as like a pawn in his game

507
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: and his chess game, and because Kelly like was very

508
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: intentionally not talking about that very frequently and had a

509
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: whole line of thought as to why he was like

510
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: didn't want to make it about him or about his

511
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: family too much. And his Yeah, so it was it

512
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: was extremely out of line for Trump to bring that

513
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: into it in the first place, and so it seems

514
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: like he was because obviously, like we've read a lot

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00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: about how General Kelly like and people in the cabinet

516
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: have to do a lot of double speaking, like outwardly,

517
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: they will say things that so when the when Trump

518
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: reads headlines will not sort of like trigger him to

519
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: to go off the rails, but like privately, like they

520
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: mean a whole other thing. It seems like this was

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00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: like the hand that Kelly had to play to try

522
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: and squash this whole scandal is by trying to say, like, look,

523
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: if you're not in the military, keep your mouth shut,

524
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: which is also like I don't think that that doesn't

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00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: people if they don't have a connect into like a

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00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: gold star family or someone serving. I don't think that

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00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: means you can nullify like anything they might have to

528
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: offer in a discussion about the subject um. I understand

529
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: like what you're saying, like, sure you have to if

530
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: you haven't lived through it, your lens of experiences quite

531
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: probably quite different than someone that has. But we also

532
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: need to be able to have like open discussions about

533
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: these kinds of things, especially when you have people who

534
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: are like Sergeant Johnson's widow, who personally was saying, like

535
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: I was offended by this um that there shouldn't then

536
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: suddenly be like, well, we can't talk about this because

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00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: you didn't serve in the military, and like, I'm only

538
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: take questions for people that have. Yeah, that's no, it's

539
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: definitely it's hugely problematic. Uh. The New Yorker reporter Masha Gessen,

540
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: who is you know, from Putin's Russia and actually had

541
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: to flee because she was so critical of Putin, Uh,

542
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: listened to that press conference and was basically like this

543
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: sounded super like military coup, Like it used the language

544
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: and the logic of a military coup in the sense

545
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: that you know, it glorified dying in war, and basically said,

546
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: the best people are people who have died for their country,

547
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: and if you didn't die for your country, you have

548
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: no right to even criticize the president. And like how

549
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: he spoke to this military widow, The way that that

550
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: whole press conference was framed was just a problem from

551
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: the start, because it's one thing, if he's if his

552
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: point of view is I don't think that we're like

553
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: listening to gold Star families enough. I don't think that

554
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: their voices are being heard enough. That's uh, something that

555
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people would disagree with.

556
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: But the tone in the language and then the very

557
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: intentionally saying like these are the only people who are

558
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: allowed to ask questions just you know, it would have

559
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: been very easy to have made a point um that

560
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been you know, excluding people intentionally, right. And

561
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: he he also made it seem like the politician Frederico Wilson,

562
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: the congresswoman who was listening in on the call, how

563
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: like sort of invaded the conversation. But Masha Johnson had voluntarily,

564
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: you know, put the call on speaker phone while she

565
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: was in the car with her mother in law and

566
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: the congresswoman. And he was like so mad about that.

567
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: General Kelly was he was like, there a few things

568
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: left their sacred in this world. He was like a

569
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: bunch of things have lost their sanctity in our lifetime women,

570
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: which is creepy. Uh life religion, gold Star families, which

571
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was three, had four of those, Uh,

572
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: he has gone on the record is pretty much having

573
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: no respect for it. Yeah, that his boss exactly and

574
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: in fact, and he said that the gold Star families

575
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: had been profaned in the convention over the summer, uh right,

576
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: which that is that would have been Trump, right. But

577
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: I guess I guess he's mad that the Democrats like

578
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,719
Speaker 1: used it. It just seems like she's he's adiculous. I mean,

579
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: even him saying like, oh, like, you know, communication between

580
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: the president and a gold Star family is sacred. Meanwhile,

581
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: Trump just dragged your son out, you know, like, but

582
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: that's not sacred. I mean, like this like picking and

583
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: choosing of like what is sacred is and the flawed,

584
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: the flawed logic from the get go of like, you know,

585
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: we're not being respectful of a president who has never

586
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 1: served the public at all, even as the president has

587
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: never served the public. Like it's just and he's he's

588
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: criticizing the media for reporting that this woman was offended,

589
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: and but I mean she was offended, and she came

590
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: out yesterday I think and specifically said, you know, I

591
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: was offended. The president kept referring to you know, my

592
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: husband as your guy and like didn't even learn anyone,

593
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: so like, but her her doing that is like somehow

594
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: like sacrilegious to to Kelly, It's just it's listening over

595
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: the weekend, I was listening to ABC News, uh, and

596
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: they were completely buying into it. They were like, well,

597
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: you can't criticize the general. He's the only one who knows.

598
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: He's a four star general, Like you have to for it. Yeah, yeah,

599
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: that doesn't make you above the law or above criticism.

600
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: That that's that's the slippery slope we're getting into. And

601
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: also if you're in GMO criticism, like I mean agree

602
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: that you know, in general, like especially on both coasts,

603
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: we probably don't hear enough from military families and and

604
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: that point of view, and we could stand to hear

605
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: more of it, but not at there's just just in general,

606
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: I have such a disconnect with people that have served.

607
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:43,959
Speaker 1: I mean, we just look at the way we treat

608
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: our veterans when they come back, Like that's a huge

609
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 1: issue that is still barely really getting the kind of

610
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: attention it deserves. And also I think, uh, in that

611
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: article you're talking about, Jack, there was like this other

612
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: stat in there that basically the number of veterans that

613
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: serve in Congress has continually began declining. So are are

614
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: the people that are in government inherently have are disconnected

615
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: from the class of people or just this group of

616
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: people who serve in the military. And we only have

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00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: people sort of like John McCain, and you know, not

618
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 1: many others who are kind of embody this this actual

619
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,439
Speaker 1: like war hero serving in government. Fewer and fewer of them.

620
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 1: I think it used to almost be like a prerequisite

621
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: that you had like military backgrounds to be like a

622
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 1: successful politician. But yeah, I think I I mean McCain

623
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: yesterday was uh, you know, throwing shade at Trump. I

624
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: think he talked about Yeah, it's like some people Trump

625
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,760
Speaker 1: got out of going to the Vietnam War by claiming

626
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: he had bone spurs time and time again. Um. And

627
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: so McCain made reference to that in comments yesterday. Um. So,

628
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, it seems like this sort of division

629
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: between military people and uh, non military people as sort

630
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: of I don't know, all over the place right now,

631
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: especially because John McCain, I mean older respects the man

632
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: is very old. Uh, And there's not a lot of

633
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: people working in government right now who are both veterans

634
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: and younger and like working with more progressive views than

635
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 1: John McCain. Grew up with UM, so it's it's interesting.

636
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: I feel like John McCain often becomes the default voice

637
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: for veterans, but he's also speaking from you know, a

638
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: couple of generations back as well as many as seven generations. Yeah,

639
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: but you may not know how. There has been kind

640
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: of like it with Democrats, like they have been starting

641
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 1: to test the waters with like veterans running. But we'll see,

642
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: we'll see how that experiment goes. UM. But yeah, I

643
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 1: think what's also interesting me is like with Trump, actually,

644
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: you know, having avoided serving in Vietnam like five times,

645
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: I'm actually surprised how much people like in this military

646
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 1: class who support him can look at him and think like, oh, yeah,

647
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: this guy gets it because normally, like that's something that

648
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: would that would be an attack that these people would

649
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: levey against anyone else if they're on the other side

650
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: sort of like, oh, they haven't served, they wouldn't know whatever.

651
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: But we have the embodiment of someone who has never served,

652
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 1: and we'll never know. By the way, a great candidate,

653
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: Pete Buddha Gedge, who is a I think thirty five

654
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: year old uh. He was commissioned as a naval intelligence

655
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: officer in the Naval Reserve in two thousand nine, deployed

656
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: to Afghanistan two thousand thirteen, served seven month deployment. I

657
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 1: think he is the mayor of South Bend or something. Yeah,

658
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: thirty five year old gay uh mayor of South Bend,

659
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 1: who's just like one of the smartest guys I've ever

660
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: heard interviewed. You'd be a great, great candidate to bring

661
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: the military service back to the elected office, Pete Drew. Pete,

662
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: all Right, we're gonna take a quick break and when

663
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: we come back, we're going to talk some boy scouts

664
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: and also Jamie's gonna tell us about some movies she's

665
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:20,919
Speaker 1: been watching. T and we're back. So, Miles, apparently cub

666
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: Scouts aren't even safe from censorship. The headline that you

667
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: added to I had to yeah this this eleven year

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00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: old cub scout. His name is Ames Mayfield. He's from Broomfield, Colorado.

669
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: Fucking dope name, dude, Yeah, Aims Mayfield. He sounds like

670
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: a like a funk artist, like maybe Kurt Mayfield's brother

671
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: or something. Aims Mayfield. Anyway, he was he's in He's

672
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: in a cub Scout and he was asked to not

673
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: return to his den um after his group met with

674
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: a state senator named Vicky Marble, and because basically this kid,

675
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: like he came with some questions for some winning government

676
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: and asked like some hard hitting questions about gun control

677
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: and some problematic statements she made, and like this woman

678
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: was shook. The video was wild because it shot over

679
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: the shoulder of of the of aims. And you just

680
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: watch Vicky Marble, which also sounds like a fake name.

681
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 1: Just my girlfriend Vicky Marbles Canada, My girlfriend Vicky Marble cartoon.

682
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: You won't meet her because she don't lived too hot,

683
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: she wouldn't want to hang out with you guys. But

684
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: but yeah, so this kid, like, you know, she took

685
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: some questions from the Cub Scouts and he he this

686
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: kid sounds like a full grown adult and like he

687
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: sayings like I was shocked that you co sponsored a

688
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 1: bill to allow domestic violence offenders to continue to own

689
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: a gun. Why on earth would you want somebody who

690
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: beats their wife to have access to a gun? This

691
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: kid said it so calm, cool and collected, because I

692
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: think a lot of people want to levy the thing,

693
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: like his mom wrote that and she's just pushing her

694
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: agenda through her kid or whatever. But in an interview,

695
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: this kid actually seems like actually concerned by this. Obviously

696
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: he's probably hearing that in his house, but it didn't

697
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: seem like he was forced to just read this thing

698
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: like for a gotcha moment. No, it seems like he

699
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: was actually dumbing down his question for the exactly like this,

700
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: so that you'll understand Vicky Marvel. And then he said

701
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: another thing. Yo, he shout out to Wilke aims. Then

702
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: he says he told her straight up, he said quote,

703
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: he was, I was astonished that you blamed black people

704
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: for poor health and poverty because of all the chicken

705
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: and barbecue they eat. Whoam so? Okay? And then she

706
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: then she goes on and she was like, oh, that

707
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 1: was made up by the media, and it's like you

708
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: want to and then she says him, you want to

709
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: believe it, you believe it. But that's not how it

710
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: went down. Okay, So when you actually look at the

711
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: quote from Vicky Marvel, she straight up said, when you

712
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: look at life expectancy, this is a quote. Okay, when

713
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: you look at life expectancy, there are problems in the

714
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: black race. Okay, First of all, pause, pause, rewind uh,

715
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: sickle cell anemia is something that comes up. Diabetes is

716
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: something that's prevalent in the genetic makeup, and you just

717
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: can't help it. Although I've got to say I've never

718
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 1: had better barbecue and better chicken and ate better in

719
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: my life than when you go down South and you,

720
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I love it. Everybody loves it. So fall

721
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: the funk back Vicky Marble with you. I don't know,

722
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: I mean again, thank you Ames Mayfield for being the

723
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: wokest cub Scout on Earth. Da He went in on

724
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: the recent exactly and it's because he was is he

725
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: like he's not in the same cub Scout den anymore?

726
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: So Yeah, Like a few days after the event, the

727
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: leader of the cub Scout pack in the area, because

728
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: like there's the area, then there's like the dens within

729
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 1: the area. Anyway, they informed his mom that he wouldn't

730
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: be able to return to his den because it was

731
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: too politically charged. Let the kid returned to his damn it,

732
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: you think his his other like little cub Scout mates

733
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,479
Speaker 1: in the denner Like yo, fam, Like you really don't

734
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: have to flame her like that, this is too political.

735
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: They're years old. Like he's the smartest kid anyway, He's

736
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: already he's already beyond these other kind of message? Is

737
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 1: that sending two kids like you keep your mouth shut?

738
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: And because it's not the kids making the decision, like

739
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 1: what eleven year old is going to not stand by there?

740
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: It just doesn't. It's so clearly being made by by

741
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: the adults and not the kids, because who wouldn't who

742
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't chill with Aimes? Yeah, I'm down to chill with Aimes.

743
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: I mean you mean, like the decision to kick him

744
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: out as the adults and not like it's not like

745
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: the kids, Like we disagree with Aimes is politics, It's

746
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: not a right. Uh. And then to close things out, Jamie, Uh,

747
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: you have a podcast called The Bechdel Cast. Oh okay,

748
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: I didn't need to tell you that. Yeah, you're aware

749
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: of that. Uh So can you tell people the premise

750
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: or I guess what the Bechdel test is? Sure? So

751
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: I host The Bechdel Cast with my friend Caitlin Darante,

752
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: and we uh talk about in the podcast how women

753
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: are portrayed in famous movies. We use the Dell test

754
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: as kind of like a general yardstick. So if you've

755
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: never heard of it as at minted by Alison Beckdal,

756
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: whose author of Fun Home has been a cartoonist and

757
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: author for a long time. And it basically just does

758
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: a movie at any point it just has to be

759
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: two lines of dialogue between uh, two women who have

760
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: names and talk about something other than a man, right,

761
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: And this happens not often, and it literally can be

762
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: two female characters with names saying, how's the weather called done?

763
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: Or how's the weather? Eric broke my heart? Right? It's

764
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: like um and uh, you know a lot of famous

765
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: movies do not even come close to passing the test.

766
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 1: It's it's bleak, but we we'd talk about how women

767
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: are portrayed sort of uh in in general also very bleak.

768
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: But so you guys just did a big one for

769
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: the Beckdel cast. You did Manhattan, we did we did

770
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 1: a special U not a special, but we did sort

771
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: of an emergency episode on Manhattan, which is a movie

772
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen since college. Uh. The so if if

773
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: you haven't seen it, please do not rush. There's no

774
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: pressure to see a Woody Allen movie ever. Okay, that's

775
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: that's how I'm not gonna lie. I'm not seeing Manhattan

776
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: I've only seen maybe two Woody Allen films in my

777
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: whole life because I don't know what it was. I'm

778
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: just like, I was just never vibe with Woody Adam

779
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 1: Allen film. So I'm glad I'm now justified in my

780
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: ignorance because Manytimes people like you haven't seen blah blah blah,

781
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: you haven't see any Hall. I'm like, bro, I don't know.

782
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, you haven't seen Belly Hype Williams masterpiece. But

783
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: yet just enlightened me as someone who's completely ignorant to Manhattan.

784
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: What like, what is the film about? I will I

785
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: will say that I love Annie Hall, But even I

786
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: think I agree with you guys on Manhattan is insane.

787
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: It's still to this day on a fish list of

788
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: a hundred best films ever made. Uh? And what it

789
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: is I mean? And if you're familiar with the allegations

790
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: against Woody Allen, which is that you know, sexual abuse

791
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: of miners. Uh in Manhattan, They're a major plot point

792
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: is Woody Allen's character sexually abusing a minor and having

793
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: it be like, oh, he's got a young girlfriend he's dating. Uh.

794
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 1: Mariel Hemingway in the movie, who is seventeen at the

795
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: time of filming, and in the movie as well, Woody

796
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: Allen is in his forties at this point. Um you

797
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: find out and and and just the way it's treated,

798
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: I mean we get into it in any episode, but

799
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: just the way it's treated and galazed over constantly throughout

800
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,439
Speaker 1: the movie is absolutely crazy because he's even there's there

801
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 1: are some well written female characters in that movie who

802
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: do not see him bothered by the fact that Woody

803
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: Allen is dating a high schooler and effectively assaulting her

804
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: over and over we see them in bed together. It's

805
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: just it's it's very disturbing and like pound for pound,

806
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:59,760
Speaker 1: just awful, awful movie to watch. And and the crazy

807
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: thing is, you know, for so long and up until

808
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: a few years ago when these allegations uh with Woody

809
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: Allen were becoming extremely public, Uh, the main takeaway from

810
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: this movie was like, Wow, what a love letter to

811
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: New York, which is all you ever hear about crazy

812
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: to this day. Like if you don't listen to the

813
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: Bechdel Cast, like the thing you're most likely to have

814
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 1: heard of Manhattan as what a love letter to New York.

815
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just I mean, yeah, a guy does

816
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: a thing with a light, but Woody Allen is assaulting

817
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: a child over and over in this movie, and no

818
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: one would ever talk about it. It's just it's, uh,

819
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: it's really really bad. The way that everything is treated

820
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: is just irresponsible and at best extremely juvenile. And it's

821
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: kind of glorifying this kind of relationship because at the

822
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: end of Manhattan's spoiler alert, Uh, there's sort of you know,

823
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 1: Mary all Hummingway and Woody Allen's characters are like, oh,

824
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: maybe things will work out like and then there's like

825
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: a little smile from Woody Allen and then more jerk

826
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: George gershwood and uh, you know, egregious shots of New

827
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 1: York in the seventies, and then it's over. But so

828
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: it sounds like I should watch this movie beautiful love

829
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 1: letter there's and then you read about I mean, there's

830
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: nothing good to say about Woody Allen. And also just

831
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: in light of the past couple of weeks, the as

832
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerning the whole art separating art from

833
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: the artist is noe, We're done, we don't do that anymore. Uh,

834
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: It's this is a movie that no one should watch

835
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: there's nothing to take away from it except that there

836
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: are a couple of nice shots, but that has nothing

837
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: to do with Woody Allen and it has nothing to

838
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: do with the cinematography. Right, So essentially it's normalizing like

839
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: a very problematic adult and minor relationship, right. Yeah. Yeah,

840
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 1: it's completely glorifying and making it seem like a cute

841
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: like midlife crisis for Woody Allen a child. Yeah, It's

842
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: like it's like a thing where like another romantic comedy

843
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 1: would have like he's a business type and she is

844
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: like a free spirit. It's like he's a forty something

845
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: and she's she's it's bringing him out of I mean,

846
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,240
Speaker 1: and like the age gap between female and male leads

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Speaker 1: in Hollywood in general is still a nightmare. But this is,

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is just like straight up illegal, like

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Speaker 1: are they kissing? So so one of the things I

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Speaker 1: learned when I was researching this movie is that Mariel Hemingway,

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Speaker 1: who is seventeen at the time of filming, got her

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Speaker 1: first kiss on screen in this movie from Woody Allen,

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Speaker 1: and then less than a year later went to her

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Speaker 1: parents house and asked if he could take Mariel Hemingway

855
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: who was eighteen then but still completely unacceptable. He was like,

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Speaker 1: can I take your daughter to Paris? And Mariel Hemingway asked,

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Speaker 1: will I get my own hotel room? And he said nope,

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00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: And so she said, okay, I'm not going, um, but

859
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: just just disgusting. Uh bad? No, don can you do that? Ship?

860
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: Can you kiss like a child? Even if it's apparently

861
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: in nine you could like right now, right if you

862
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: did that like first that that wouldn't even happen now,

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Speaker 1: I guess because people have finally woken up. Like the

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Speaker 1: late seventies had a weird like pedophilia thing going on.

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Speaker 1: It was like it was creepy, like there were all

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Speaker 1: these I did this on a video that Gett cracked

867
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Speaker 1: about just how they were like all these there are

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Speaker 1: these ads that were like nothing sexier than a baby,

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Speaker 1: where like a young woman was like dressed up as

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Speaker 1: like a baby doll licking a lollipop and it was

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00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:41,879
Speaker 1: loves baby soft perfume. It was really problematic. And there

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00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: there was also like this was around the time that

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Speaker 1: brook Shields became like a sex symbol as like a

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00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: sixteen year old kid. Yeah that movie well yeah, but

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00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: then so Bluelue. Uh like I think it's maybe just

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00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 1: called Blue Lagoon and then returned to the Blue Lagoon

877
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: was like the sequel. But um like, even after that

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00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: movie came out, she was like, Calvin Klein Jeans is like,

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00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 1: uh sort of spokesperson. She was like the k Yeah,

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00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,240
Speaker 1: And there's like a slow they're one of the famous ads.

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00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: Is like a slow shot that like goes up her

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00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: body and she's like, nothing gets between me and my

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00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: Calvin's and it's like really this like disgusting male gaze

884
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: thing that like, so I mean that is clearly something

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00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 1: that we're passed. Right. It was just announced that in

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Speaker 1: Woody Allen's new movie, aptly named Because He Cannot Grow Up,

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00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: Oh Rainy Dye, New York also features uh like a

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00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: relationship with this exact same age gap with a man

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00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: in his forties and a fifteen year old girl who

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00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: is referred to in quote in the Indie Wire article

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00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: I'm reading as a concubine played by l Fanning. So

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00:51:55,440 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 1: uh just cool, very tight, very cool. Clearly you know,

893
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: like with age comes wisdom, except if you're like a

894
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: white man who can get away with whatever he wants.

895
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: If you're a pedophile. Apparently you don't grow out of it,

896
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: and you should be in jail. I I have not.

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Speaker 1: I can't claim to have seen the new Louis c.

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00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: K movie, uh, nor do I have any interest in it.

899
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: But I do know the plot of the movie. It's

900
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: a very clear homage to Manhattan and that uh. It

901
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: literally features character modeled after Woody Allen I believe, played

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00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: by John Malkovich um and Louis luisy K play as

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00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: a TV writer who has a young daughter who's sort

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00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: of handing off his daughter to this Woody Allen type. Uh.

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Speaker 1: While being a total like his his character is is

906
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 1: also very lecherous. You know. It's weird because louisy K

907
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: is essentially acknowledging the allegations against him, which is that

908
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 1: he serially masturbates in front of women uh in this movie,

909
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 1: but in a way that is totally like forgiving to

910
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 1: himself and saying like allegations or allegations and and and

911
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: the line that people are taking away from this movie

912
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: is like everyone's a pervert, which is the most apologist

913
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: bullshit in the entire world. Um. And it ends with

914
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: like him like sort of hitting on his daughter or something. Right.

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00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,399
Speaker 1: I mean, and this is again secondhand information. I haven't

916
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: seen the full movie, Um, but yeah, where the sort

917
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: of conclusion as instead of it being like, hey, uh,

918
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 1: don't hand off your daughter to a known pervert, it

919
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: becomes like, well, everyone's a pervert and then pulling out

920
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: some garbage Freudian Uh excuse, she's only being protective of

921
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: her because he has like some weird Freudian thing. Right,

922
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: and then Chloe Grace Moretto places his daughter says a

923
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: line to the effect of like, well, I've wanted to

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00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: have sex with you since I was a kid, because

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00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: freud And it's like that your own to her own fire. Yeah, okay,

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00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: uh so hard pass on. I mean it seems like

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Speaker 1: and I hope that this movie has the opposite effect

928
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 1: on Louise K, because it seems like, you know, from

929
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 1: his point of views, like, oh, well, this will explain

930
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: everything and everyone's a pervert, so I'm not in trouble.

931
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Speaker 1: But I think that it's going to blow up in

932
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: his face in a major way. For people who aren't

933
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: aware there are there's lots of smoke that suggests that

934
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 1: Louis K does horrible, abusive things to women involving like

935
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 1: getting them in a room and masturbating in front of

936
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: them and acknowledges it in the movie where he has.

937
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 1: Charlie day is in this movie and has a scene

938
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Speaker 1: where Charlie Dave masturbates to completion in front of a

939
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: woman against her will. So he's very aware of what

940
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Speaker 1: these allegations are. So this is like his version of

941
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: OJ's book. If I did it exactly exactly, lawyers are like,

942
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: what are you doing? I don't know. I mean, thankfully

943
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: we cannot put ourselves in his head because he is

944
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 1: a person. I don't think he has masturbated to completion

945
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 1: in front of anyone in this room. But like if

946
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 1: you're an actress in Hollywood, like I know actresses who

947
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: who had auditions and you know their agent was like,

948
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: just so you know, like this guy masturbates in front

949
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: of people. So it's just what he's like. Yeah, so

950
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: just know that because everyone's a pervert. Yeah. So so

951
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:29,240
Speaker 1: you can draw a direct line from Manhattan to this movie,

952
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 1: which of course is called I Love You Daddy. Uh Se,

953
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Speaker 1: see neither of them. That's that's my movie. Quarter two movies.

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Speaker 1: Do not see Jamie? Where can people follow you? I'm

955
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 1: on Twitter at Hamburger Phone uh, and I got a website,

956
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,959
Speaker 1: Jamie Loftus is innocent dot com miles Where can people

957
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 1: follow you? You can find me on Twitter and Instagram

958
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: at Miles of Grade. You can follow me on Twitter

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Speaker 1: at Jack Underscore, O b R, I Eat. And the

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Speaker 1: dailies geist is at Daily Zeitgeist on Twitter, at the

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Speaker 1: Daily Zigeist on Instagram and the Daily Zeist on Facebook.

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Speaker 1: And Jamie, thank you so much for joining us, Thanks

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Speaker 1: for having me. We will be back tomorrow because it

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Speaker 1: is a daily podcast. I'm talky then,