1 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Ronanian, you won't know what your car is worth. Your 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: cars in a way, your car is worth what it's 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: going to cost you to replace, but an actual cash value. 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: Go to the internet, totally plain bill. What's the price 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: of this car? Four thousand, two hundred dollars? Say, miss, 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: do the winky wipers on this cart water when you 7 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: press the button? Yeah? Well some on him the car doctor. 8 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: They turned off the remote access or whatever it is, 9 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: which also includes remote scotting with your phone and a 10 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: few other things too. Couch how upsets your daughter. Welcome 11 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 1: to the radio home of ron Andanian the Car Doctor. 12 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: Since this is where car owners the world overturned to 13 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics 14 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: giving you a busy signal, pick up the phone and 15 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: call in. The garage doors are open, but I am 16 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: here to take your calls at eight five and now 17 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: running boy? Who was better than Jack Benny? Right? Um? 18 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: I love that, Tom, That was a great open. Thank 19 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: you very much, as always, the inivitable Tom Ray for 20 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: keeping me on the air and um keeping me going 21 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: all these thirty one years. So let's go. Let's open 22 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: the phones right away. Let's go right to Terry in 23 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: Minnesota with a ninety seven Dodge Van and a hard 24 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: start warm. So Terry tell me the story. What's going 25 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: on here? Iron? Thanks for calling um? Yeah, the truck 26 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: runs just fine, but after you run it and it 27 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,919 Speaker 1: warms up to tamp and it sits for a couple 28 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: of hours or so, then it's hard to start again. 29 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: Is it? Is it a hard crank? Does it hesitate 30 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: to crank or does it crank normal? It just never fires. 31 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: Crank's normal, just just doesn't fire. It will fire after 32 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: a while, but it takes a while. What's a while? 33 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: Ten seconds, twenty seconds, two minutes? Oh, I would say 34 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: probably twenty seconds. Okay, So it's got an extended crank 35 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: and you're you're just sitting there leaning on the key 36 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: and it's just grinding away. How many miles are on this? 37 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 1: Not a lot? Right? Just broken in brother? So has 38 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: anybody bad? Like I said, it runs runs great. Has 39 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: anybody tried to, you know, diagnose this or any any 40 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: have we have? We shot the parts cannon? Yet? You 41 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: know what have we done to this anything? Yeah? I 42 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: inquired many, many people. And what I've done to it 43 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: so far is I changed the fuel pump about two 44 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: years ago because it was acting up a little bit. 45 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: So then uh, I changed the injectors. I changed the 46 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: crank position sensor. I changed the coil. I changed the 47 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: map SEMP censor. I changed the tempt censors, distributor, cap 48 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:06,679 Speaker 1: roder cams, positioning cent or whatever you c m all 49 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: that stuff. And I have the same problem and no 50 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: no engine code, so it should be fixed. You've changed 51 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: everything everything. Okay? Have you checked fuel pressure? Yes? I 52 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: have fifty pounds, And does it hold? It hauls but 53 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: not a long time. What's what's what's not a long time? 54 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: What's how long will it maintain residual pressure? Twenty minutes? Yeah? Minutes? Okay, 55 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: twenty minutes isn't isn't isn't out of the range. I 56 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: would accept twenty minutes. And when you when you fire 57 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: the key, when you when you turn the key back 58 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: to on, do you get immediate fuel pressure? And does 59 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: it hold when when you think it's going to go 60 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: into that that long crank time? Yeah, it pumps up 61 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: right away. Okay, So as much as I don't want to, 62 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: let's assume, and we both know what a dirty word 63 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: assumed can be, especially on family RADI you, but let's 64 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: assume fuel pressure isn't our problem. Fair point. Okay, all right? 65 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: Have you then gone what's it missing? What's it missing 66 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: in that twenty seconds? Is it missing spark? Is it 67 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 1: missing injector pulse? I've I've checked both of those, and 68 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: I do have spark, and I do have uh uh 69 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: the injector of power? Okay, well you have power? Are 70 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: you hearing the injectors click? Do you have annoyed light 71 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: on the injectors? Are you watching it blink? H No? No, 72 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: I didn't get to that. So in other words, you 73 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: you know you've got power to the injector, you don't 74 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: know if the injector is being driven. Guess right, yeah, 75 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:49,559 Speaker 1: And I'm just listen. I'm just trying to break it down, 76 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: you know. Um, so that's number one number two when 77 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: it goes into this crank long crank time? Hot? Do 78 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: you have a scan tool? I don't. Okay, let's buy 79 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: a scan tool. You've bought everything else, all right, let's go, 80 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,799 Speaker 1: let's go Well why not, right, you know, changing changing 81 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: parts for the price of parts here, we could have 82 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: we could have purchased a scan tool at this point. Um, 83 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: you know, I'd like to see. You know, changing a 84 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: part is okay, but I'd like to see the test results. 85 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: Tell me what ambient If there's an ambient tempt censor 86 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: on this vehicle, and if there there's got to be 87 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: a cool intempt censor on this vehicle, what is the 88 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: cooling temperature reading? Is it reading accurate? You know, if 89 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: if and you can do this, you know you know 90 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: that necessarily test this when the vehicle is bad, test 91 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 1: it when the vehicle is good. You don't know how 92 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: many times I get You don't know how many times 93 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: I get into a vehicle in the shop first thing 94 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: in the morning. I'll have somebody drop it off the 95 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: next night or the night before, and I will first 96 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: thing I will do is I'll crawl into the vehicle 97 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: first thing in the morning, after it's sat all night 98 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: with a scan tool. UM. I'll usually grab my Opus 99 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: because my Opus i vs Is the best thing out 100 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: there since slice read. What I can do with it 101 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: is I can gather the data. I can capture it, 102 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 1: and then I can look back on it later and 103 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: I can compare it. Um. It's real easy to do. 104 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: I can just compare my data. What is it at 105 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: nine o'clock in the morning, and then I can go 106 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: back out with my opus I VS. In the afternoon. 107 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: What is it in the afternoon, What is it after 108 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: I run it for two hours and let it go 109 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: through a hot soak sit period. You know. Um so, 110 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: so all that's all that stuff is important now for me. 111 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: The nice part is when I use that tool, I 112 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: can print that and show it. I could show it 113 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: to you, you know, I could say, Hey, Terry, here's 114 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: what I did to your car, and you're like, you know, 115 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: you're impressed. You're like, hey, it's like going to the doctor, 116 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: I get I get data back. I'm it's it's it's 117 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: it's worth it, right. Um So, you know, what are 118 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 1: some of these sensor values reading? You know, tell me 119 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: what desired throttle angle is, Tell me what cool intempt senses? 120 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: What's it showing on the computer? You don't know if 121 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: you've got a care you don't know. You could have 122 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: You could have corrosion and a harness somewhere, especially on 123 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: a twenty five year old vehicle that is affecting a 124 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: voltage reading as the computer sees it creating the issue. 125 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: And this isn't at This isn't at random problem, Terry. 126 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: It's it's not all the time, right, Well, it's uh, 127 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: not all the time, just after it sets the war 128 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: a while after it's been warmed up. That's usually when 129 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: the biggest problem occurs. Okay, So you know one of 130 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: the other questions I would have is and see I'm 131 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: kind of a cheater, all right, So you know if 132 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: after I've run through everything, and let's let's just go 133 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: through this scenario real quick. Let's say I look at 134 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: a cool attempts good in being here, attempts good fuel 135 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: pressure holds, and it still goes into this you know, 136 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: long crank time. I wouldn't be opposed. I'd get out 137 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: my bottle of propane, start feeding a propane along with 138 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: fuel pump pressure. Does it fire sooner? Is it looking 139 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: for more fuel? Okay? Right? Do I do? I? You know, 140 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: it's why doesn't the engine start? Why doesn't my lawn 141 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: mower start? All right? Do I have a fuel problem? 142 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: Do I have a spark problem? You know it's it's 143 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: and when you check for spark, how are you checking 144 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: for spark? I had my timing light connected to uh 145 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: one of the plugs, and and and then of course 146 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: that would fire all right, light wood fire when it 147 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: went around, all right, So you don't know actual voltage 148 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: at the plugs right right. So when you when when 149 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: you go down to your do you have an O'reillyota 150 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: parts near you? Yes? Okay, got out to your local 151 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: Orallyota parts. Tell them you you know, what's a good 152 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: scan tool for d I Y or see what they have? 153 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: All right? Um? If they if they have something, let's 154 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: start there and then then while you're there ask them 155 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: for tell them what you're trying to do. You want 156 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: a hand held spark tester. There's all different types out there. 157 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: There are there, there are some out there. It's about 158 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,719 Speaker 1: a two inch long piece of black plastic with graduated 159 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: marks on it, with a thumb screw and a pin 160 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: wheel that you can turn to adjust the gap. A 161 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,959 Speaker 1: good ignition system on a nineties seven like that, you 162 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: should be able to set it to between thirty and 163 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: forty thousands. That should jump the gap. No problem with 164 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: an angry blue spark, all right. If it isn't, you've 165 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: got a weak spark condition. All right, let's let's let's 166 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: see what that does. As long as I'm spending all 167 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: your money. If you can't find what you wanted. Rillyoto 168 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: parts or rallyoto dot com. Jump out to the autel website. 169 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: See what hotel has. I believe it's I'll tell USA 170 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: dot com or Autel dot com. Just Google search Autel 171 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: scan tools. See what they have that fits your budget. 172 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 1: All right, um, good quality stuff. Last, but not least, 173 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: I will I will tell you this. And I don't 174 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: know if it's particular to older Chrysler's, but I've run 175 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: into this before. The fuel content, the alcohol content on 176 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: the on on those vehicles, or I'm saying this wrong. 177 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: The alcohol content of gasoline on the older Chrysler's seemed 178 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: to have an effect if it exceeded ten to twelve. 179 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: It seemed to cause some of these issues. So you 180 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: may want to look and consider what fuel you're buying 181 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: and from where. Okay, all right, so okay, we'll give 182 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 1: me a couple of other things to check. All right, 183 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: So give me a call back, let me know where 184 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: we end up. All right, kiddo. Okay, Okay, you're very welcome, Terry, 185 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: be well, be well, be safe. Yeah, listen, it's it's 186 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: there's always a reason, guys. There's always a fault or 187 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: a possibility or you know, um, you know, it's just 188 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: a matter of breaking it down. I don't care if 189 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: it's got eight cylinders, twelve cylinders or one cylinder. There's 190 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 1: always a reason eight five five zero running any of 191 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: the Car Doctor coming back right after this. Don't go away, 192 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: that's right. If you call and we're not why if 193 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: you can leave a message and we'll call you back 194 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: to get you on the air with Ron eight five 195 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:09,839 Speaker 1: five zero nine zero zero. Speaking of Ron, there he is. Hey, 196 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 1: let's get over to Oh, I don't know. Let's go 197 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: to Virginia. Let's go talk to Brent. We haven't been 198 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 1: in Virginia yet today. Brent. Welcome to the Car Doctor. Sir. 199 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: How can I help? Yeah? How you doing so? I 200 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: got a two thousand, fourteen f one fifty with a 201 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: five oh in it, and I noticed that starting about 202 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: two months ago, and it would go from first, second 203 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: and then just hit fit and not when I come 204 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: out of fifth. It doesn't happen every day, it doesn't 205 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: happen all the time, kind of in immediate when it 206 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: does happen, and then uh, sometimes it will go to 207 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 1: first and just stay in first or second, stay in second. 208 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: I got the p zero seven to zero code thrown 209 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: on it. Uh, kind of did some research on it 210 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: was sin it was the speed sensor, but on this transmission, 211 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: I could not find that outside speed sensor, kind of 212 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: thinking it's onthing inside of the transmission. Now, okay, Um, 213 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: any other any other any other full codes that that 214 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: that that occur here? Brent, Nope, that's that's the only 215 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: one I've had. So, UM, let's see where do I 216 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: take this? How many miles are on this? Uh? Just 217 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: roll the hundreds. So they do have problems that depending 218 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: on which transis is I should say that, but I 219 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: think I think I know which trans this is if 220 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: it's got the five oh um, yeah, it's the R 221 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: A D H alpha right. Um. You have to consider 222 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: they've had problems with the with a couple of the 223 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: internal shift solenoids. Although you're not getting the fault codes 224 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: for it. Um, they've had they've had problems with shifts 225 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: solenoids on this particular one, particularly solenoid b um. And 226 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: they're gonna run you through a series of resistance checks 227 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: and you know, verifying that connectors at the PCM there's 228 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 1: no open shorts or grounds and the harness they've had 229 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: a lot of harness issues with this trends and and 230 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure you're reading about that too. It's it's and 231 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 1: that that problem is the harness will lead you the 232 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: fault code. How do I want to say this? The 233 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: fuld code will lead you down the merry path because 234 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: you're really looking at a bad harness and you're assuming 235 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: it's got the ability to tell you what's wrong. Does 236 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: that make sense? So what I want you to do is, 237 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: you know, if there was a way, you know, obviously 238 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 1: get under the truck or get the truck up in 239 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: the air. Can you follow the wiring harness coming out 240 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: of the trends? Where's it? Lane? Is it chafed at all? Um? 241 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: And it's in a really bad spot, brother, It's it's 242 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: you know you can't get your hand up there to 243 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: touch anything. Um, you know, it's it might be a 244 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: case where if you get it up in the air 245 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: on the lift long screw driver, not the not the 246 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: sharp end or just be careful how you poke and 247 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: proud you don't want to break anything. But can you 248 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 1: wiggle and move the harness around? Can you get this 249 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: to act up afterwards? Do you feel like moving the 250 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: harness made the problem worse or better, and if it does, 251 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: at least it gives you an an indication of where 252 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: you've got to go. Uh you know. It's if you 253 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: had a scan tool and you could get it to 254 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: run up in the air on a lift and you 255 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: could watch shift points on a scan tool and have 256 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: somebody wiggle the harness boy that you know, that would 257 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: be wonderful, but uh, you know, and let me just 258 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: preface this by saying, you know you've got to look 259 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: at fluid condition. Is the fluid good? You sound like 260 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: the kind of guy you've probably changed the fluid once 261 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: or twice already. You know. It's it's you sound a 262 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: little you know, you're autocentric. You're aware that you know 263 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: if the fluid is good and there's no particular in 264 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: the fluid, you know, the usual drill, the things you 265 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: worry about with an automatic transit. It's it sounds like 266 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: you're on the electrical side of a trans issue, not 267 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: not the mechanical side. Right, And that was my big, 268 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: my big thing when it first Sorry, I didn't notice 269 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: any uh like real hard shifting or missing in between 270 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: in between gears, so I kind of led right to 271 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: the electrical side of it. Because because most mechanical failures, 272 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: unless it's a specific clutch pack or band or you 273 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: know something really second gear, third gear, et cetera. You know, 274 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: most trans failures will be across the entire trans operation 275 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: or a greater majority of trans operation. And it's it's 276 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: rare when it's intermittent. Right, you're saying this is more 277 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: intermittent than anything else. You know, mechanical things don't fix themselves. Uh, 278 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: it's it's it's hard for them to be at random 279 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: intermittent um. You know, I may prove that theory wrong 280 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: this week. I've got an HHR that's got a misfire 281 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: on cylinder too that everybody's tried everything under the sun. 282 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: And my suspicion is the valve seats falling out of 283 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: the head and I'm gonna have to catch it in 284 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: the act. And we'll talk about that next week when 285 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: I when I come back to air. But uh, you know, 286 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: mechanical things generally don't go intermittent. It's difficult for them. 287 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: So I would be focused more on the harness on 288 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: the harness side, and just for giggles, unplug it at 289 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: the at the trans look at the connector do you 290 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: see any fluid in there? Um, you know, fluid and 291 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: the fluid and the trans connector across the board of 292 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: manufacturers tells you that the connector, the bulkhead connector's got 293 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: perosity to it. And I've seen all kinds of issues 294 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: created that way. Um, you know, so it's you're on 295 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: the right path. Um, you know, I would clear the 296 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: seven twenty and see how long does it take to 297 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: come back and under what conditions and see if you 298 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: can duplicate that, and does moving the harness, playing with 299 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: the harness create that condition as well? Makes sense? Okay, alright, kid, 300 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: you're you're, you're, you're, you're set to the task. Go 301 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: do what you gotta do. Call me back, perfect, Thank 302 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: you very much. You're very welcome, Brent, you will. Um, yeah, 303 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: it's uh, it's it's an issue, folks, you know. It's 304 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: it's the more complicated the car gets, the more we 305 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: gotta think outside the box. Hey, um, just this was 306 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: in the news and I want to point this out. 307 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: This comes to us from research Kathy, who's out there 308 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: banging away doing such a great job for this show. Um, 309 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: the White House hasn't veiled a five billion dollar plan 310 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 1: to put electric car chargers on US highways. Um, they're 311 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 1: talking about where did this come from? This came from 312 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: where she find this? Uh, it doesn't say what website, 313 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: but it comes to It's So the U. S. Department 314 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: of Energy and Transportation announced on Thursday, there you go, 315 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,199 Speaker 1: that they're gonna put out five billion dollars over the 316 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: next five years, five billion dollars over the next five 317 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: years to help states beef up access to electric vehicle charging. 318 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: It's part of the White House is Broader Gold to 319 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: curb climate change and get more Americans into zero missions vehicles. 320 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: The President aims for the US to have five hundred 321 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: thousand public electric vehicle charges by roughly four hundred thousand 322 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 1: more plugs than are available today. Um. You know, I 323 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 1: kind of have a problem with this is that it's 324 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 1: gonna be over the next five years, and his term 325 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: of voices only runs another three and what if he 326 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: doesn't get back in. Um, you know, so we're gonna 327 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: spend all this money to get started and then stop 328 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: halfway through. You know, it's not to get political, but 329 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 1: that just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. 330 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: But they are working on the e V electrical problem. 331 00:17:56,400 --> 00:18:00,479 Speaker 1: So we can thank uh, thank our stars, but at 332 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: least for five billion dollars. Wow, um, Tom, I need 333 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: to raise so I need to I want to start 334 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: my own electric vehicle charging station. So anyway, five zero zero, 335 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 1: nating the card doctor and the innubitable, indubitable no full 336 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 1: no no phony not no no phony, no bologny, Tom Ray, 337 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: we will both be back right after this. Don't go away, 338 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: welcome back. I'm onting any of the car doctor here 339 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: at five five zero zero. Let's go over to Alex 340 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: in Iowa. Oh three Chevy pick up, Alex. Welcome to 341 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: the car doctor. How can I help Alex? Alex going 342 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: once and Alex going twice? Alex? Are you there, sir? Oh? 343 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: There you go? There you go technology, So I don't 344 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: know what happened there you go? Well, what's going on? 345 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: I talked talked to you before, and you gave me 346 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: some great pointers. But I've got another question. I've got 347 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: an O three shitty pick up at the heavy duty 348 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 1: three quarter tons to cocas, no big deal, um, and 349 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 1: I have a reduced engine power that comes on occasionally 350 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: which is rather unhandy and um, so I've had it 351 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 1: into the shop, they put their computer on it, they 352 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: want to replace the PCM. It seems like a grounding issue. 353 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: So when I had talked to you, you told me 354 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: go through all the grounds clean them up, and I've 355 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: done that, um, and it still seemed like a ground issue. 356 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 1: So I wind up getting a fuse box from a 357 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: salvage truck and putting it in. While while I was 358 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: doing that, I noticed that the ground wire that goes 359 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: to the battery. Of course, you have a main one 360 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: that goes to your engine block, you have a little 361 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: one that goes down to the frame, and that little 362 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: one was melted. The plastic was completely melted off in places. 363 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 1: And then I got to thinking, I have a bail 364 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: stabber because we farm um that I put in the 365 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: back that obviously takes twelve old. I have a power 366 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: wire coming right off the battery. But then I just 367 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: grounded the negative right to the frame. So that's what's 368 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: melting that. Yes, yes, And so my question for you 369 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: is what else might have happened when I'm using that 370 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: veil stabber? Where else have I melted wires? And would 371 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: that be causing my reduced engine UH signal? Probably not, 372 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: because if it was wouldn't you think it would happen 373 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: more frequently or on a constant basis? Well, you know 374 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: how these electrical things are, I trust me before Well, 375 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: let let me say it like this too. Now I 376 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 1: don't know, you know, under normal conditions, what is this a? 377 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: Do you know the FULD code that it's setting? Um? Well, 378 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: the UM and it's different codes. Isn't that the throttle position? 379 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 1: I'd have to look it up whole bunch down at 380 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: one point, um that it was setting. And let's see 381 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: I got this right here. Um, what's it? PO one 382 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: two oh is one? Um? Let's see we have a 383 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: P O six five oh, which is the light control circuit. 384 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: We have a P two on which is a throttle pedal. Um. 385 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: You know, so there are several different ones. And of 386 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: course i'll red, I'll clear it and then drive it awhile. 387 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: And when I when I put that fuse box in, 388 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: it ran for like a week and didn't have any issues, 389 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: and I thought, how good I fixed it, and then 390 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 1: it came back. Um, did you go through? So you 391 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: went through the you went through the two grounds at 392 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: the rear of the cylinder heads. Yep. Um. Then I 393 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 1: went ahead and did the one right below the rear 394 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: left cab corner before it goes to the frame, and 395 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: then up at the left front in front of the radiator, 396 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 1: to the side of the radiator where everything connects up there. 397 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: And uh yeah, I mean it seems that I've gotten 398 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: all the grounds, you know, cleaned up and and put 399 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: some stuff on him to keep him from crowding, and 400 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: that didn't seem to be the issue. So at the 401 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 1: throttle body, there's gonna be a dark green wire and 402 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: a black wire black wires on terminal three. I don't 403 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 1: remember the terminal for the dark green. The dark green 404 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: wire you'll typically see more than a half of volt, 405 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: but less than four and a half volts at any 406 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: given time. If we were to put a voltmeter across 407 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: the black wire on terminal three, which is ground, ground 408 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 1: is ground, all right, and the dark green we should 409 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: see consistent voltage agreed of of a varying voltage. What 410 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 1: I'm doing is I'm using the vehicle ground through the 411 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: harness to verify the voltage I've got at a different pin. 412 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 1: And what that tells me is if if all of 413 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: a sudden, that dark green wire no longer produces a 414 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: correct voltage. It's between those two wires, and those two 415 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: are critical. Either I've got a bad ground on that 416 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 1: black wire, which I believe goes back to the PCM 417 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: which supports you repair shops theory, okay, or I've got 418 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: a voltage signal issue on the dark green which goes 419 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: back to the if I'm not mistaken, goes back to 420 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: the throttle body control module in the left front corner 421 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: of the firewall. Because I believe in go ahead, we 422 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: we did wind up replacing um that throttle control module, right, um, 423 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: So we want to we want to verify where's that 424 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: black wire go back to. Like I said, I believe 425 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: it's PCM. It could go back to that control module, 426 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: but we don't know if we've got to harness issue 427 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: either alright, So at least this is this would be 428 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: my first step of diagnosis. Now, the one thing that 429 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: I'm concerned about the snake in the woodpile with you, 430 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: not you, but the truck is you were you were 431 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 1: using a piece of auxiliary equipment and obviously it overloaded 432 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: the circuit because it melted the ground going from the 433 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: chassis of the battery. So you know this is this 434 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: is you ever have your you're out on the farm 435 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: and and nyewa, here you have lightning strike the barn. Yeah, 436 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: those crazy things, you know, did it? Did it? Did it? 437 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 1: Did we? Did we light up? You know? The modules 438 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: in the vehicle? You know, um at at twenty years old, right, 439 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 1: it's it's not the worst idea, the worst, the craziest 440 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: thing to consider a PCM. Heck, I'd probably have one 441 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 1: just because the truck's twenty years old and look how 442 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 1: you're using it. It's a pretty harsh environment. Um while, 443 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: while you still can get a module for that vehicle, 444 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: because what could it be? A couple hundred bucks? And 445 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: that was one of my questions going with a GM. 446 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,199 Speaker 1: Or do you have an aftermarket? Because you read on 447 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: the internet and you know some aftermarket. You know all 448 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: the reviews, it's some of them are just terrible, and 449 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: some of them was like, wow, it worked for me, 450 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 1: and so what what's your take on the PPM. Would 451 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 1: I go back to the dealership? Well, or do you 452 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 1: have an aftermarket that you recommend. I'll tell you what, 453 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: I'll never forget. Nine D two I toured a PCM 454 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: re manufacturing assembly, or at least that's what they claimed. 455 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: They were, and you know, I just walked away from 456 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: their thinking. I don't see how they could possibly have 457 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: the technology in ninety two to really test an electronic 458 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: circuit board like a manufacturer would. I just don't think 459 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: they can under all conditions. I don't know if the 460 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 1: technology and the ability to test has gotten better in 461 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: the last thirty years, but I would use an aftermarket 462 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 1: PCM on this basis. If I've got a vehicle that's 463 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: a no start, a crank no start condition, and I 464 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: know when I put that PCM in, if it starts, 465 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: it's a good PCM. You with me. If if two 466 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 1: weeks later that vehicle I just put the used PCM 467 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: in develops this weird you know, it shuts off when 468 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: I make left turns on Tuesdays when the moon is blue, 469 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: Well I got a weird problem. Maybe that's that used PCM. 470 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: And at least it gives me something to stop and consider. 471 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: And I will do that because price always comes into 472 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,959 Speaker 1: the price point, or the conversation point of you know 473 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: what to use new or used um if it is 474 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 1: still if it is still available, a fresh PCM from 475 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: GM isn't the worst idea, all right, You've got to 476 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: consider the price point too. How much is it if 477 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,719 Speaker 1: if the GM PCM is in the aftermarket versions, two 478 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: hundred bucks, two unter bucks is a cheaper guess right, Um, 479 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 1: you know it just comes back to that. But I 480 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: think what you're gonna find is that that aftermarket PCM 481 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 1: from a used source versus a GM source. I think 482 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: the GM source is gonna be surprisingly competitive. I really 483 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: do so. Uh, you know, if if if, if we're 484 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: if we want to take a stab at this, because 485 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 1: you know it's an older truck, it's you've got some 486 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: extenuating circumstances. At least a PCM eliminates some diagnostic time, 487 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: all right, because you always gotta you always got to 488 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: consider that. You know, there's no shame when you've done 489 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,199 Speaker 1: due diligence like you've done, you know, going through and 490 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 1: you find this extraordinary circumstance. So because basically what you're 491 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: telling me is you subject you subjected the PCM two 492 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 1: lightning strikes every once in a while whenever you use 493 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 1: this machine. Well yeah, unbeknown to me, of course, Now 494 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: I know I need to just ground it directly from 495 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 1: the battery to the unit or the heavy wire from 496 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: the battery to the frame right exactly exactly. Um yeah, 497 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,199 Speaker 1: you know, and maybe running you know, maybe buying some 498 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: heavy duty welding cable and running it back off the battery, 499 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: coming straight back to the battery, putting in an a 500 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: junction block with a shut off valve, and make some 501 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: kind of an old weather plug that you can leave 502 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: it plugged in while you're hauling it around the farm, 503 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: if it's that kind of a piece of equipment, and 504 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: then when you want to turn it on, you know, 505 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: maybe that's the way to go. Um. So all right, Alex, okay, 506 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 1: all right, I appreciate your time. You're very welcome. Or 507 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: you let me know if you need anything else, and 508 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: I'll be glad to help. I'm ron Anny in the 509 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: Car Doctor. We are back right after this. Welcome back, 510 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:18,959 Speaker 1: Ronning of the Car Doctor. Thanks for sticking with us 511 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: this hour. This comes to us from Dennis. I think 512 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: in Dennis and Fair Inland, New Jersey. Roun big Fan 513 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: have an oily from the filter housing and my Chrysler 514 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: two thousand, um my christ are two hundred three point six. 515 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: It seems like a design floor being plastic. I see 516 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: Dorman has an aluminum replacement which I'm trying to get 517 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: the dealer is going to fix it, but I feel 518 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: I just put on another junk part. My question is 519 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: you heard anything about a service recalling this. It seems 520 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: like a real problem with this engine is the pumps 521 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: are out of stock everywhere. Okay, I'll not hold you up. 522 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: I love the show, but listening since the beginning, Dennis, Um, Yeah, Dennis, 523 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: you know what that that Dorman piece is a work 524 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: of art. It really is. I've got one of a 525 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: matter of fact, I've got one sitting on the counter 526 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: at the shop. It's all illuminum. It's it's it's it's 527 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: so well made. It's made right here in the USA. UM. 528 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: It's got all the paces and parts, and they're taking 529 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: a plastic part the manufacturer made and making it out 530 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: of aluminium which will hold up and just last. It's 531 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: just just just a gorgeous piece. You can find more 532 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: information on Dorman's website just google Dormant Products UM. As 533 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: far as a recall or any bulletins on it, the 534 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: only bullet and I know about with the oil filter 535 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: adapter is the one for the pressure relief valve. It's 536 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: a bulletin number recall. Uh, It's bulletin number I should say, 537 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: uh oh nine dash double oh nine dash eighteen. And 538 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: the problem is the relief valve inside that plastic filter 539 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: housing is plastic and it it just goes through this 540 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: abuse with a filter that it eventually cracks and falls away. 541 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: Dorman does make a replacement piece for that as well. 542 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: I think it's something every repair shop needs to stock. 543 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many of these Chrysler vehicles 544 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: we take apart to do oil changes and we find 545 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: that relief valve missing or broken pieces down to the 546 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: bottom of the housing. Because I guess shops are just 547 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: you know, well, this must be extra, we'll just throw 548 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: it away. What good could have oil pressure relief valve 549 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: based so um, yeah, it's a problem, but by all 550 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: means get them to do that. It is a very 551 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: common problem on a Chrysler V six as a matter 552 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: of fact, that Jeep I spoke of in the previous 553 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: hour on today's show with the misfire on cylinder too. 554 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: That was the third piece of bed news I got 555 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: to give the vehicle owner along with the misfire onto 556 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: the fuel rail leaking at the end cap that when 557 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: I looked down into the well between the cylinder heads. 558 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: I could see pretty good puddles of oil telling me that, um, 559 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: the oil filter housing O rings where the oil filter 560 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: housing itself is leaking and while they've got the intake off, 561 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: they should addressed that as well. I really am on 562 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,479 Speaker 1: the executioner in any and I'm telling you, I just 563 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: I just give out all kinds of bead news. It's 564 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 1: just I don't mean to folks. I'm sorry. Just sometimes 565 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: the cars aren't junk um on the wrong side of 566 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: the bed this morning, No, Tom, I'm serious. I just 567 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: I got up in a very good mood today. You know, 568 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: I had to work on a I had to work 569 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: on an O What the heck was it? An O 570 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,959 Speaker 1: to Toyota land Cruiser. I had to do a timing 571 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 1: belt on this thing this week. And let me tell you, 572 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: you ever brush your teeth by putting your toothbrush in 573 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: through your ear and trying to get to the back 574 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: of your mouth, that would be the equivalent. Because the 575 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: timing belt, it's it's about the twelfth part in and 576 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: of course I had to go fourteen parts in because 577 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: we had to change the water pump as well. And 578 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,479 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a three six thousand mile vehicle 579 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: and it's been done once before at a buck sixty two, 580 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: So every bolton nut was twisted the wrong way, dry 581 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: rusty stripped out. Just you know. I was so thrilled 582 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: to see that truck go and it was it was 583 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: dead nuts on. That truck was right on the money 584 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: when it left. UM So I was real happy. So 585 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: I got to bed in a great morning, and then 586 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: I get to sit here and do radio for a 587 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: couple of hours. So it's always a good thing. Let's 588 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: pull over and take a pause. I'm on any in 589 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:49,959 Speaker 1: the car doctor, I will return, don't go away first, 590 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: resisting out the father and done. It's in the fingers 591 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: was the summer of next Hey, welcome back Running the 592 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: Car Doctor. I want to thank you for sticking with 593 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: us this weekend as always and allowing us to come 594 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: into your into your podcast or your radio broadcast, or 595 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: your studio or your house or your car wherever you're 596 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: listening to us and taking the time. We know your 597 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: time is valuable and we try to fill that with 598 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: useful information. I hope we did that this week, as 599 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: we always do. UM. I went to breakfast this morning, 600 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: not that that's big news. But I was I was 601 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: out at the diner having breakfast, and um, I happened 602 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: to glance up at the TV that was in the 603 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 1: diner and they were playing the new ad from GMC 604 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 1: for super Cruise. Tom, are you aware of what super 605 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 1: Cruise is? Because when I tell you this story, you're 606 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: just gonna you're you're not gonna believe it. You know. 607 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if I've seen that ad. Okay, pay attention, 608 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: because I bet you it runs into Super Bowl uh 609 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: this weekend, um, in the football game. But just just 610 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: be aware that, um, super Cruise, the super Cruise available 611 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: from General Motors GMC. I'm sure it's across the line 612 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: is all about hands free driving. And the edge shows 613 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: a loaded pickup truck family in it, pulling a trailer 614 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: across a bridge and the Great Divide and out on 615 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 1: the highways, and you know, and they're playing games in 616 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: the truck, their hands off the wheel and the truck 617 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 1: steering itself. And all I could think about was at 618 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: the moment that they're on the bridge. Now, I don't know, 619 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,240 Speaker 1: you know, I just I think about this. I've got 620 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 1: an eight thousand pounds trailer behind me. I've got und 621 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: or better truck underneath me. I've got my family in it. 622 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: I've got all my positions, my my belongings, the dog. 623 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: We're all out on family vacation, and we spent all 624 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: this money so we can drive along and play poker 625 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,240 Speaker 1: in a vehicle while it's doing sixty seventy in America's highways. 626 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 1: Why do that? I mean, just take a take a 627 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,399 Speaker 1: drive on either the Jersey Turnpike or the New York 628 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 1: stay through West. Well, but Tom, here's the catch. All 629 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: I could think about was you're so involved in what 630 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 1: you're doing, not paying attention to the road, and the 631 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,959 Speaker 1: a front tire blows out at seventy, You're not gonna 632 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: have the reaction time to grab that wheel. I mean, baby, 633 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: it's over, It's over the ravine and away we go. 634 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: I just I thought, what a disaster this is gonna be. 635 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,839 Speaker 1: Not to be pessimistic, but just reality. I'm running any 636 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 1: in the car doctor here for you each and every week, 637 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 1: reminding you good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. See you