Speaker 1: One thing. I'll tell you the funniest with Rashid Wallace.
Speaker 1: I get checked in the game in the first half.
Speaker 1: He gets the ball in the post and I'm right
Speaker 1: behind him in the post. He takes the ball. He
Speaker 1: looked and he sees me guarding him, yells at the coach,
Speaker 1: y'all put this mother on me. Come on, you never
Speaker 1: went to the sideline, looked at the defensive coordinator, be
Speaker 1: like this mother freak guard me.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go there. I remember when they would put
Speaker 2: Jimmy Leonard or there was another.
Speaker 1: Safety of white safety. I'm like, I can't put a
Speaker 1: white guy.
Speaker 2: Welcome to games with names, I'm Julian Edelman, There, Jack
Speaker 2: and Kyler, and we are on.
Speaker 1: A mission to find the greatest game of all freaking time.
Speaker 2: And on today's episode, we are covering Scalabrini game, Game
Speaker 2: five of the two thousand and four Eastern Conference Semifinals
Speaker 2: with NBA vet Boston legend the White Mamba himself, Brian Scalabrini.
Speaker 2: We get into talking how he became the White Mamba
Speaker 2: in Chicago.
Speaker 1: I really embraced it, like I didn't care what the
Speaker 1: score was. I was going out there to get a bucket, right,
Speaker 1: I'm getting a bucket for the people. Plane pick up
Speaker 1: with Cooper flag first possession. He goes to the right,
Speaker 1: he pump fakes, he throws it up off the back,
Speaker 1: and he dunks it right. The gym was silent.
Speaker 2: And a wild Larry Bird story at the very very end.
Speaker 1: I guess Dominique told me the story one time about
Speaker 1: Larry Bird and Bird got the ball and he really
Speaker 1: wanted Dominique to guard him. So I guess, I guess
Speaker 1: this is the story. I haven't seen it, but this
Speaker 1: is the story.
Speaker 2: And then we wrap it up by hitting the old hotline.
Speaker 2: You gotta stick around to the end. Let's go Games
Speaker 2: with Names is a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1: May fourteenth, two thousand and four.
Speaker 2: The Palace at Auburn Hills, Auburn Hills, Michigan.
Speaker 1: The Jersey Boys versus the Bad Boys would need a
Speaker 1: lot more than regulation to settle this one, but the
Speaker 1: red hot White Mamba would show up big. This is
Speaker 1: this galapriyah. I feel like the NBA is turned into
Speaker 1: right now, and I know like football has a different structure,
Speaker 1: but the NBA is basically like you better have fuck
Speaker 1: you money, like fuck you money, and you're you're gonna
Speaker 1: spend it and knock get it back and then maybe
Speaker 1: like in ten years a team will gain value. But
Speaker 1: in the meantime, you're gonna pay fucking tax tax. You're
Speaker 1: not gonna make.
Speaker 2: Any Wait, so you're talking about investing into an NBA team, Yeah,
Speaker 2: like you.
Speaker 1: Make money like like when you buy it and then
Speaker 1: when you sell it. Yeah, and then you just there's
Speaker 1: probably a lot of overheaded like if you're good, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know how football works, but like in the NBA,
Speaker 1: if you're good, you pay the most and you might
Speaker 1: lose the most. But if you suck, you get a
Speaker 1: fact check at the end of the year. How is
Speaker 1: that fucking possible. I don't know. I don't know the
Speaker 1: NBA rules at all. See, it's all based off of taxes.
Speaker 1: Like the better you are, the more salary, The more salary,
Speaker 1: the more tax like and then you win and you
Speaker 1: sign everybody back. The tax was one now it's two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just like that, and it's like, really they don't want
Speaker 1: like the same teams to be good for five years.
Speaker 1: That's why it's interesting. Like the Patriots, how they fucking
Speaker 1: stayed on top. It's impossible because first of all, your
Speaker 1: schedule gets harder, and then like if you're really good,
Speaker 1: guys go to other places to get paid. So like
Speaker 1: how you like, it's really there's a couple of reasons.
Speaker 1: There's a guy named Tom Tom, but that's hard to do. Like,
Speaker 1: it's very hard to do. Yeah, let's get it go.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Games with Names.
Speaker 2: We have a very special guest and we are talking
Speaker 2: over the two thousand and four Eastern Conference Semifinals game
Speaker 2: five Nets versus the Pistons.
Speaker 1: With Brian Scalabrining. Welcome to the studio, man. I love
Speaker 1: the concept and the studio is nice. Man. As soon
Speaker 1: as you guys reached out and I said, oh man, like,
Speaker 1: when you think about pro sports, a lot of people
Speaker 1: remember games, but there's so many backstories to every game,
Speaker 1: to how something unfolds or you know, maybe a locker
Speaker 1: room fight that happened right before and then next you
Speaker 1: know you're going out and playing a game and now
Speaker 1: you're kind of unfolding all that. I just I love
Speaker 1: the concept and I appreciate the Inbo, well, we appreciate you coming.
Speaker 2: You know, playing in Boston for twelve years, I always
Speaker 2: saw this big ass white dude at every anything to
Speaker 2: do with something Boston, I see you there, Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: so you have. You're such a legend here and it's
Speaker 2: an honor to have you in the studio. And we
Speaker 2: start our with our guests. The first question we always
Speaker 2: give them, can you sum up why you picked this
Speaker 2: game in one sentence.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a nasty game that I actually
Speaker 1: played well in. That's it. That's it. That's it.
Speaker 3: Triple overtime corner three when it mattered most.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I just thought, like there's so much that
Speaker 1: went into this game and from the you know, like
Speaker 1: the like the Pistons, we were the team and we
Speaker 1: crushed them. But that year they traded for Rashid Wallace
Speaker 1: and he's a difference maker. I don't care what anybody says.
Speaker 1: Like Rashid Wallace, Like when he's on the floor, you
Speaker 1: know where he's at. He's on the floor offensively, defensively,
Speaker 1: you just know where he's at at all times. So
Speaker 1: they have them. Now we're matching up. We're getting a
Speaker 1: little bit older, like Kid is dealing with the knee injury,
Speaker 1: so like it like really even the playing field out
Speaker 1: and the series obviously at this point going into game five,
Speaker 1: like they whooped our ass in one and two, and
Speaker 1: then we whooped their ass in three and four. So
Speaker 1: like at this point the games haven't really been like
Speaker 1: epic or close, but but in you know everything kind
Speaker 1: of sometimes in the NBA it's a field out series
Speaker 1: and five is that determining swing game. And that's exactly
Speaker 1: what this was. Wow. Now, is this the greatest game
Speaker 1: of all time? No, it's not the greatest. It's my
Speaker 1: greatest game of all time. Given the magnitude, given the magnitude,
Speaker 1: and like where I was, where I grew up, where
Speaker 1: I came from, where, and the opportunity to play in
Speaker 1: a game like this, it's my greatest game of all time.
Speaker 1: I've had more points in meaningless games. You know, when
Speaker 1: we win by this, I get in there and I
Speaker 1: get going, but nothing where like the stakes were this
Speaker 1: high and the tension and I don't know about you,
Speaker 1: but like, like I live for that shit, man. I
Speaker 1: just like when it's thing that you can't replicate, I
Speaker 1: wish I was a better player because I can experience
Speaker 1: that more. But like the heightened sense of awareness of
Speaker 1: the playoffs, the details going into that, like all that
Speaker 1: stuff like, I just thrive in that environment. You watch, like,
Speaker 1: I know, you guys prepare once a week. That's very
Speaker 1: similar to the way we prepare for the playoffs, right,
Speaker 1: But in the regular season, it's, you know, ten clips,
Speaker 1: move on, ten clips, let's go watch five let's watch
Speaker 1: five clips of what we did, and ten clips of
Speaker 1: what we need to do. But in the playoffs, it's
Speaker 1: deep dive every day. You know, like you get your book.
Speaker 1: You guys get your book, and we go through every
Speaker 1: play every option. And so it's just like that felt real,
Speaker 1: and that felt like very meaningful.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, I mean, playoff anything when it's do or die,
Speaker 2: it's just it just brings the stakes up and and
Speaker 2: you when I get into prepare mode for those kind
Speaker 2: of situations, I always am the guy who's like, I
Speaker 2: don't want to come up with the I wish I
Speaker 2: would was at the end of this game.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: So I always prepared more. I always caught fifty to
Speaker 2: one hundred more balls than I'm supposed to. Or you know,
Speaker 2: you go do an extra you know, prehab lift, or
Speaker 2: you do an extra lift of the week, you eat
Speaker 2: a little better, You just all these little things because
Speaker 2: you don't want to be at the couch the next
Speaker 2: week watching the goddamn series.
Speaker 1: Yeah game, you know what I mean. Yeah, And then
Speaker 1: sometimes there's is there like you're you're probably it seems
Speaker 1: like you're a do I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do more, I'm gonna do this. Was there ever a
Speaker 1: point where it became like, man, I'm freaking doing too much.
Speaker 1: I need to Yeah, that's how I retired. That's my body.
Speaker 1: My body broke down when you're like, man, fifty catches, Man,
Speaker 1: I got to like I go back and ice stuff,
Speaker 1: you know what.
Speaker 2: That's that's honestly, probably one of the reasons why my
Speaker 2: body broke down the way it did is because I
Speaker 2: would I never stopped training during the whole year, you know.
Speaker 2: And it is because I had an insecurity of like
Speaker 2: I didn't want people to catch me. Yeah, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: and so you don't let your body rest, You're gonna
Speaker 2: break down.
Speaker 1: That's kind of what happened, you know. We call that
Speaker 1: uh in the league. It's like for me, I lived
Speaker 1: I had like for me to for this to happen
Speaker 1: and for me to consistently play well, it's like living
Speaker 1: on Mount Everest, like if you stumble on mount ever,
Speaker 1: you die. Like a lot of people have so much
Speaker 1: freaking talent that they can stumble in the planes and
Speaker 1: just get up and dust themselves off and move on
Speaker 1: to the next day. But for me to be operating
Speaker 1: at that level, like just you know, like whatever my
Speaker 1: gifts are and where I came from or whatever it
Speaker 1: may be, Like I'm living on a mountaintop right there, right,
Speaker 1: and like every step is important, every every detail was important.
Speaker 1: Like if I had two beers and I'm screwed the
Speaker 1: next day, right, Like I gotta be on point. And
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you lose a game and you're emotional,
Speaker 1: You're just like, man, screw that, give me the stake
Speaker 1: and give me two beers. I I'm just gonna you know,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like take my mind off of what I
Speaker 1: just did. Well, I'm gonna pay the price later, right,
Speaker 1: So it's really hard, Like it was really hard for me,
Speaker 1: And I played eleven years. I was really fortunate and
Speaker 1: all that. But for me to be playing, well, I'm
Speaker 1: living on Mount Everest. Hell, yeah, you got to. So
Speaker 1: what are you up to these days? You do a
Speaker 1: bunch of TV.
Speaker 2: You have fun with the parade talking, I mean the championship,
Speaker 2: you're pretty much part of the team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I always like, yeah, well I love
Speaker 1: the journey. You know. The only thing is what's crazy
Speaker 1: is I always think it's really difficult to win a championship,
Speaker 1: right we're talking Celtics. Didn't I didn't slate the team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So twenty twenty four NBA champ Boston Celtics. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: like every championship run typically is really difficult, like I
Speaker 1: don't know, like a moment here, a moment there, like
Speaker 1: a play here, whatever, even like like us in eight,
Speaker 1: like we went to Game seven with Atlanta, they were
Speaker 1: an a C. We were a one seat Like everything's
Speaker 1: a ruling battle. Man. This Celtic team was so freaking good,
Speaker 1: like they almost I mean Perzinc has played a little bit,
Speaker 1: but they almost like coasted to a championship without one
Speaker 1: of their better players. It's amazing, right, that's how good
Speaker 1: they were. And you know it's gonna be hard, like
Speaker 1: the league and the NBA catches upright, like the gap
Speaker 1: that you make. When the Golden State Warriors did what
Speaker 1: they did, they jumped out to a massive lead, but
Speaker 1: then the NBA catches up quickly. So I think a
Speaker 1: lot of teams are gunning for them this year, but
Speaker 1: before that, it's just in general, like they were so
Speaker 1: far ahead of everybody else that I don't think anybody
Speaker 1: could have touched them. Yeah, no, it was.
Speaker 2: It was almost surreal to watch, Like it didn't even
Speaker 2: seem really competitive.
Speaker 1: No, not at all. That's what I thought. I know,
Speaker 1: they would tell you something different. Well, yeah, they're in
Speaker 1: the they're in the heat of it. Yeah. Like seeing that,
Speaker 1: I was like, man, are they that they're that good? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're just smoking fools. Like it wasn't even close. It's
Speaker 1: supposed to be. It's not suppose to look like that.
Speaker 1: I think this year will be more of a reflection
Speaker 1: of what true professional sports are. Like, you know, you'll
Speaker 1: get when you get good, you get pulled different directions
Speaker 1: and you're trying to stay and you're trying to stay
Speaker 1: the course, and the playoffs come and you're going to
Speaker 1: be tested and people are working with you like you
Speaker 1: got a bullgeye on your chest all summer long. So
Speaker 1: I do think that gap will close a little bit,
Speaker 1: and you know, like and the glaring thing for the
Speaker 1: Seas going next year is Al Horford, porzingis like those guys.
Speaker 1: Porzingis has to stay healthy. Alhovd's getting up there in age,
Speaker 1: but Al was awesome last year. He's ageless. No, I know, well,
Speaker 1: you've been around a guy like that too. It's truly amazing.
Speaker 2: It's fucking crazy because when I when I was when
Speaker 2: I was on my vacation when I was suspended in
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, I actually went to the Celtics facility because
Speaker 2: I was still rehabbing my knee, my aco and so
Speaker 2: when I was away from the team, I would go
Speaker 2: into the Celtics facility every day. And the guy that
Speaker 2: was like the most professional, like businessman, look like a pro,
Speaker 2: Al Horford, Oh my god, you know, just when it
Speaker 2: came to like being a professional athlete, getting there early,
Speaker 2: getting his shit in his treatment, because you know, I was,
Speaker 2: I was hanging around the boys and they were letting
Speaker 2: me rehab there and stuff, and it was fucking cool
Speaker 2: to see. But he was just consummate professional, just a pro.
Speaker 2: And that's why he's having such a lengthy career.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: He eliminates distraction, He does everything for his game, and
Speaker 2: it's awesome to see him get one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I always say, like I try to tell
Speaker 1: people like, obviously Al Horford's gifted, you can't get to that.
Speaker 1: He's so good and he's really smart. But like being
Speaker 1: a pro like that is just doing all the simple
Speaker 1: stuff every single day. It's not like they have some
Speaker 1: magical drill that they use or this this trainer that
Speaker 1: they have or this, hey dude, this workout. Like every
Speaker 1: time you go down in the hotel, he's down there stretching, working,
Speaker 1: he does this prehab before the game. He's like, he
Speaker 1: does all the stuff every single day and he doesn't
Speaker 1: miss a day. And so I asked him, I go, well,
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do next year? Like you could
Speaker 1: tell a man a lot to him, He's like, no,
Speaker 1: I feel good, Like I'm just gonna trust my work
Speaker 1: and trust my preparation, and I'm gonna be consistent with it. Right, everybody,
Speaker 1: all these young kids, they want some special thing, but
Speaker 1: it's just being consistent with what you're doing. You know,
Speaker 1: my dad would always say life's hard, but it's simple.
Speaker 1: We don't know what we have to do. It's just
Speaker 1: hard to always do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, having a guy like Al Horford is
Speaker 2: not just good for you know his performance and how
Speaker 2: he is, but it's as an example for the younger
Speaker 2: guys to watch in the locker room.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm pretty I'm pretty excited to see what
Speaker 2: they do this year because you know, like Scout said,
Speaker 2: I mean these leagues everyone when you're America's most wanted, now, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's where they're at. They're they're they're the measuring stick.
Speaker 2: You're circled every night. That's eighty eighty six games, eighty
Speaker 2: two eighty two every night, every night you're the champ.
Speaker 2: It's hard, it's hard to stay on the top.
Speaker 1: And we go to arenas. So you have to tell me,
Speaker 1: like when you hit the road, did the Patriot fans travel? Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we would travel.
Speaker 2: But it's it's different and certain like if we were
Speaker 2: playing a team we didn't play a lot of If
Speaker 2: you go to the NFC West, we go to the Niners,
Speaker 2: we go you know, San Diego, we would show up.
Speaker 1: A bunch of fans, yep.
Speaker 2: But when you're playing in Division like Jets Buffalo Miami, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Miami would have a lot of fans, but the Jets
Speaker 2: in Buffalo, it's pretty much yeah.
Speaker 1: But we I always think like when we go on
Speaker 1: the road and let's say it's fifty to fifty. Let's
Speaker 1: just say for our argument's sake, I think that gives
Speaker 1: juice to the other team, Like you're in their building
Speaker 1: and they people are paying to cheer for the team
Speaker 1: that you're going against. Like athletes in our mind, we're
Speaker 1: all sick. Oh, and we create like narratives to like,
Speaker 1: oh man, I'm going at them because you know they're there.
Speaker 1: This is disrespectful to me, right, So I think it
Speaker 1: like when you get everyone's best shot when we travel
Speaker 1: and the Celtic fans or let's go Celtics, Like I
Speaker 1: can see like a little perk up from the other team. Yeah, now,
Speaker 1: we're not gonna let this happen.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: In my like when we would go on the road,
Speaker 2: I would always see the crowd, and like you said,
Speaker 2: it just brought me into that when you said you
Speaker 2: we have to manifest, like you have to make your
Speaker 2: own motivation. Sometimes I loved being the villain. I loved
Speaker 2: going into MetLife Stadium and fucking running down that field
Speaker 2: trying to fire and they're all pooling. Like I embraced that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know it got you up.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's crazy with the little things you have to
Speaker 2: do in your head to get it going.
Speaker 1: Like if you're on the other.
Speaker 2: Team and you see fifty percent of the crowd is
Speaker 2: not your crowd at your home stadium, you're getting pistol
Speaker 2: putting that in there area? Yeah, how did you enjoy
Speaker 2: enjoy these Olympics?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 1: I watched this a little bit of it, Like I
Speaker 1: wasn't I think people really did dive in. I watched
Speaker 1: all the basketball, you know what, it was crazy. I
Speaker 1: gotta admit I don't I've never seen I was so
Speaker 1: shocked by it's gonna sound crazy. Doubles badminton, Yeah, what
Speaker 1: the hell? They would hit the thing like sixty seventy times,
Speaker 1: Like I was like, what what? What is his action?
Speaker 1: How come this is not always on? So somehow I
Speaker 1: got like sucked into doubles badminton, and I was like,
Speaker 1: these people are nasty at what they do, right, And
Speaker 1: then I won't watch badminton for four more years.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, and everyone watching badminton thinks they can go
Speaker 2: out and play.
Speaker 1: With these jokers. Oh hell no, it's in the backyard.
Speaker 2: My offensive coordinator at my juco, I went to junior college.
Speaker 2: He was like he was the badminton coach or fucking
Speaker 2: he was like a pro or something. I said, I'll
Speaker 2: fucking go play you. I went and play this guy
Speaker 2: for five hours.
Speaker 1: Didn't beat him once. I was like, I'm not going
Speaker 1: until I beat you. Shuttlecock was flying. Shuttle Cock was fine.
Speaker 1: And wait, scal.
Speaker 3: Speaking of the Olympics, do you think we're gonna get
Speaker 3: a fired up JB and JT this year after the snubs?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm in disrespect. I don't know them like that, right,
Speaker 1: I don't know him, like, are they like, are they
Speaker 1: highly motivated to destroy you know, the Warriors. I don't
Speaker 1: really know him like that because I just know this
Speaker 1: is what I do. When Jason Tatum does get like that,
Speaker 1: he's tough like like that, no one could stop him.
Speaker 1: But I don't know how that works, Like is that
Speaker 1: motivating him to be like that every night? I have
Speaker 1: no idea. Is it motivating him to be the fact
Speaker 1: that everyone's jumping on the Anthony Edwards bandwagon when he's Yeah, like,
Speaker 1: like Tatum deserves accolades and you know, he made sacrifices
Speaker 1: last year to move the ball and now he didn't
Speaker 1: get the proper respect for winning a championship. So I
Speaker 1: don't know, but I'm curious to watch. I'm hoping so yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm hoping so as a Green teamer over here for sure. See,
Speaker 1: I don't know how many more rap albums I can
Speaker 1: go through.
Speaker 3: Yo, that song with a it goes hard, dude. We
Speaker 3: love Jalen Brown. They just do it on.
Speaker 1: Your peats coming out. Hey, when you win the ship,
Speaker 1: you can do that. Yeah, yeah you can. Now now
Speaker 1: you're you're an o G big three guy. I am. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I watched, and they're going to the Olympics next or
Speaker 2: they're going in an Olympics twenty twenty five or twenty one.
Speaker 1: It was in this year too, this year, but yeah,
Speaker 1: or three on three? Well, how come they didn't let
Speaker 1: the phoebe three guys in? Right? All right? So you
Speaker 1: have to so foba. It's interesting in a sense. They
Speaker 1: want the three on three to be like a cohesive unit.
Speaker 1: They don't like, you know how Team usay, you know
Speaker 1: that other guys qualify and then Team USA comes in
Speaker 1: and goes to the Olympics, right, And you can qualify
Speaker 1: by winning the World Cup and there's other things you
Speaker 1: can do. But in the three on three, you've got
Speaker 1: to like do a process. So you have to in
Speaker 1: the middle of a basketball season, you have to take
Speaker 1: three guys and go and play in a tournament. Now,
Speaker 1: guys can't leave their jobs in the middle, So it's
Speaker 1: not actually situ weighted the way that like the five
Speaker 1: on five is. So what happened like the thing that happened,
Speaker 1: which was bogus because it's just whole. It feels a
Speaker 1: little bit like how college used to be. You know.
Speaker 1: Now these kids be making money and it's not the
Speaker 1: same way. But Foeba said that those guys could not
Speaker 1: come over and play the three on three. Those guys
Speaker 1: could have made one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. So
Speaker 1: these guys are not like high level five on five
Speaker 1: pros that are making a million, ten million, whatever they're making.
Speaker 1: These guys are like grinding out on the three on
Speaker 1: three grind and so ice Cube offers them to come
Speaker 1: and play art three on three All Stars, and they
Speaker 1: could have made some money. I mean, it's four guys
Speaker 1: one hundred you know, it's like what at thirty five
Speaker 1: grand a pop, you know, so those guys could have
Speaker 1: made some money and Foeba just shut it down, Yes,
Speaker 1: And I like that's like I just first of all,
Speaker 1: if you're a pro athlete, you should and these guys
Speaker 1: aren't making big money. You should have the right to
Speaker 1: make as much money as you possibly can. If people
Speaker 1: want to watch it, then let's make some money doing it.
Speaker 1: And I thought that was low down by Foeba not
Speaker 1: allowing that group to come in and play the Big Three.
Speaker 1: By the way, the rules are really different. It would
Speaker 1: have been good, like it's a it's a way of
Speaker 1: bringing people together and it's the institution. I thought, like,
Speaker 1: you know, keeping people apart. Yeah, bringing ice Cube down? Amen? Brother,
Speaker 1: would you just try and get the league bigger? Come on,
Speaker 1: Manjube will get on this on this podcast and he'll
Speaker 1: go off on that on the feedba, I wouldn't hear it.
Speaker 1: You got any Cube stories? Well, I just got the
Speaker 1: Cube stories from all the Big Three stuff, right, But
Speaker 1: I don't go to the parties afterwards, which I wish
Speaker 1: I would, but I don't know. No. But you know,
Speaker 1: like ice Cube, the one thing I will say, like
Speaker 1: he's the founder of the league, but he it's not
Speaker 1: like he's just dropping money and doing other things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like he's designing uniforms, he's picking making rules. He's like
Speaker 1: on every conference call, he's on me, like, so I
Speaker 1: do everything there, I do a sideline reporting analyst, work
Speaker 1: play by play right, and if I mess up, he's
Speaker 1: on me like right away, text message right. So, like
Speaker 1: he's all over it and this is his baby, right.
Speaker 1: He still wraps, he still goes on tour, still does movies,
Speaker 1: but like this is like I created this thing and
Speaker 1: he's doing a really good job of building this thing up.
Speaker 1: I mean I don't have that I had.
Speaker 2: I made a Patriots hat, a Boston Patriots hat that
Speaker 2: I always resembled off of his Oakland Raiders hat that
Speaker 2: he used to.
Speaker 1: Wear back in the day. Like, yeah, match up with
Speaker 1: the starter jacket.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love. Yeah, man, I'm a Calli guy. You're
Speaker 2: a Kelli guy.
Speaker 1: But you did you grow up? I grew up in
Speaker 1: the Bay. Oh what right? I watched your your doc? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I watched your doc. That's right.
Speaker 2: So that's that's off of ice Cube and the Boys. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I grew up in the Bay. You grew up in
Speaker 2: you were born in Long Beach, Then you grew up
Speaker 2: in Washington State.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I moved there when I was like twelve twelve. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you are you a Cally kidd? Are you washing Washington?
Speaker 1: Because I grew up high school and all that shuff
Speaker 1: even though I went back to USC you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: is not really my vibe. I like going down to
Speaker 1: LA but it's like it's not my body. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: like like when you came out here and the people
Speaker 1: were super rough, right, It's like it was to me
Speaker 1: it was like a match made in heaven. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: this is great. All these people they just tell you
Speaker 1: how it is exactly.
Speaker 2: That's what it is. I always explain that, you know
Speaker 2: when when when people ask me, like East Coast people,
Speaker 2: Boston people, they really I'm like, they're not mean. They're
Speaker 2: just very upfront and they're very honest, and they're not
Speaker 2: gonna sit here and you know, walk by and say
Speaker 2: hello because they got ship to do. Yeah, but that
Speaker 2: same person, if something were to happen to you on
Speaker 2: the street, that asshole that you think is an asshole
Speaker 2: would probably help you. And if you go to different cities,
Speaker 2: the people that are nice to you probably just keep
Speaker 2: on walking, you know. So that's how I always explain
Speaker 2: the Northeastern person. You know, they're they're just very straightforward.
Speaker 2: They're straight shooters, they they but they're actually nice, nice
Speaker 2: ass people, like when ship's hitting the fan.
Speaker 1: For sure, Like I think when I can explain all
Speaker 1: this when I'm I coached the Warriors one year in
Speaker 1: the Bay, or like this, LA's a little like this.
Speaker 1: I just the best way to describe it is when
Speaker 1: you drive around, you're like, listen, I gotta get over
Speaker 1: you're there. I got some space. I'm gonna squeeze in.
Speaker 1: It is what it is. A guy in here might
Speaker 1: just come on, man, like, just what are you doing
Speaker 1: over there? It's on the horn. They speed up, they're
Speaker 1: super aggressive to you, but then you saw them later
Speaker 1: they'd be like, hey, how you doing, man? I make
Speaker 1: this great day outside? Right, It's like like I just
Speaker 1: just be who you are. Don't be overly aggressive, passive
Speaker 1: aggressive in the car or and then when you see
Speaker 1: me into my face or just like super nice. Like
Speaker 1: people here are like and I'm not saying this is
Speaker 1: obviously we're blanket statementing a lot of people, but like
Speaker 1: in general, like people here are just real, like they're
Speaker 1: just real and up front, and I do agree, like
Speaker 1: if you meet people here, they are willing to help,
Speaker 1: like when you are in trouble. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now
Speaker 1: what was it like growing up in Washington? Uh? I,
Speaker 1: you know, like it was the best place for me
Speaker 1: to grow up. I grew up in a small town
Speaker 1: about forty miles outside of Seattle. Seattle's a really big
Speaker 1: hoop bed, like and it all starts. It all started
Speaker 1: a long time ago with Doug Christie, and then that
Speaker 1: got pushed to Michael Dickerson and then Jason Terry and
Speaker 1: then now Jamal Crawford. It's a really inclusive community when
Speaker 1: it comes to ball. Like there's other places where everyone
Speaker 1: like mad dogs each other and they're trying to fight
Speaker 1: for the top. In Seattle, it's like, let's bring everybody along.
Speaker 1: So if you're like a young guy and you can
Speaker 1: go to pick up and you see like pros there,
Speaker 1: you just learn differently, right, And so that environment really
Speaker 1: helped me because I didn't think I was a pro ever,
Speaker 1: Like I thought not until I was like a junior
Speaker 1: in college that I even think about being a professional athlete.
Speaker 1: I would just like, well, I mean I don't know,
Speaker 1: like just small town white kid, you know, like just
Speaker 1: not that athletic. No, I didn't know the nuances of
Speaker 1: the game, so I never saw myself like that until
Speaker 1: I started going to those pickup runs and seeing the
Speaker 1: way that those guys and getting a stop or maybe
Speaker 1: going up and finishing over a guy. Right, It's like
Speaker 1: it's like small things that could have happened. But but
Speaker 1: those guys, if I'm not in that environment, like your
Speaker 1: trajectory changes when you're young. If you don't see that,
Speaker 1: you just stay at a level, play with your friends.
Speaker 1: You are what you are. But until you get thrown
Speaker 1: in that fire and you have a little bit of success,
Speaker 1: like that changes your outcome. Whatever that could be five
Speaker 1: years from now, but it definitely changes the way you
Speaker 1: look at things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now, the pickup run is such a big thing
Speaker 2: in basketball. M Like you always hear about these games.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know anything about it. But like
Speaker 2: you said, in your area, in you know, Washington, you
Speaker 2: guys were all inclusive with each other, and you guys
Speaker 2: wanted to help each other ball to make very good.
Speaker 1: I heard you. Are you playing You played pick up
Speaker 1: with the new Cooper kid? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well
Speaker 1: how's he doing well? Now? He's amazing, right, like yeah,
Speaker 1: but so like at the time, so I know a
Speaker 1: guy up in Maine and he trains Cooper and he
Speaker 1: was like telling me these stories about this at the time,
Speaker 1: thirteen year old playing against the U Maine guys and
Speaker 1: he would struggle for like twelve minutes and then for
Speaker 1: the last thirty minutes of the scrimmage he would start
Speaker 1: to dominate. I'm like, man, get the fuck out of here,
Speaker 1: No way, no way, a thirteen year old is better
Speaker 1: than D one players. It's just that's not true. You
Speaker 1: can't you can't tell me that you're building up your guy.
Speaker 1: So I go, all right, like bring him down. So
Speaker 1: I work with this team at the time, which now
Speaker 1: I started my own AAU program, but at the time
Speaker 1: I worked with the Bay State Jaguars and we had
Speaker 1: guys in there and it's great, Like let me kind
Speaker 1: of explain. At first, I was Scow the guy on
Speaker 1: TV that played for the Celtics. Within about a month,
Speaker 1: like we're nose to nose with these kids, and we
Speaker 1: have a rule like we can push, but no punches. Ever,
Speaker 1: nobody can throw punches. You get to two more on suspension.
Speaker 1: So we like to get what we're trying to do
Speaker 1: is take soft ass white kids and like build them
Speaker 1: up and get them. Like, when you're in this environment,
Speaker 1: you'll be able to survive. And you ain't gonna be
Speaker 1: able to survive with us just being like nice shot Johnny,
Speaker 1: Like it's not gonna work. Right, So we have this
Speaker 1: thing like we go nose to nose, and I've gone
Speaker 1: with these guys for a while, So I told the
Speaker 1: guy from Maine, send them down, Like if he can
Speaker 1: live here, he'll be fine, right, So send him down.
Speaker 1: Parents show up, great people, great triple drove from Maine.
Speaker 1: Like it's four and a half. He's thirteen. No, not
Speaker 1: with the parents, Yeah, four and a half, like four
Speaker 1: and a half hours, gets out of the car, go
Speaker 1: you need to warm them up. He's like he just
Speaker 1: like put on his two knee braces. Right. I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, man, let's go. So first possession. He goes
Speaker 1: to the right and he pump fakes, and let me
Speaker 1: give you a little bit of a background here, Like
Speaker 1: I brought in some other kids and they were not
Speaker 1: about that. And the guys who I played against were
Speaker 1: killing me about bringing in these other kids. Right, So
Speaker 1: then for me, I'm always talking shit. So I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: I got somebody for you today. Man, this guy's gonna
Speaker 1: come and whoop your ass right fourteen years old. They're like, man,
Speaker 1: no way, and I go it's Kid Cooper Flag and
Speaker 1: they're like, huh, I heard of him. But nah, man,
Speaker 1: no one can come in here. And on day one
Speaker 1: survive in this environment when we got the music cranking.
Speaker 1: We play games where you can only have the ball
Speaker 1: in your hand for two seconds. You have to shot
Speaker 1: clock in eight seconds. So we're doing all these things
Speaker 1: to mess people up, all right. So he comes down,
Speaker 1: he dribbles right, he pump fakes, he throws it up
Speaker 1: off the backboard, he goes up with the left and
Speaker 1: he dunks it right. The gym was silent, like you
Speaker 1: can hear a pin drop in the gym. And I'm like, ooh,
Speaker 1: I got some motherfuckers for you now, right, So I
Speaker 1: give him a chest pump and then we just start going.
Speaker 1: It was one of our best days. But he survived.
Speaker 1: Guys in the gym or seventeen eighteen nineteen, there's countless
Speaker 1: D one players there, like he held his own more
Speaker 1: than and then when we sped the game up, he
Speaker 1: just like the game just slowed down for him. So
Speaker 1: I get I told to the parents, I'm like, this
Speaker 1: kid's a pro. Like, I don't know what type of pro.
Speaker 1: There's levels of pro. You could be a Hall of Famer,
Speaker 1: an All Star, a starter, a bench player, guy like me, right,
Speaker 1: and you could be a guy that's like ten day contract.
Speaker 1: There's all of them are pros. But like, what level
Speaker 1: are you gonna be? And it depends on what you do.
Speaker 1: So I call USA Basketball the next day, I call
Speaker 1: Duke the next day. I'm telling you, guys, man, this
Speaker 1: guy is nasty. They blew me off kid from Maine.
Speaker 1: He's all right, we'll bring him in for you whatever.
Speaker 1: And he just took off from there. And the key is,
Speaker 1: the key is he's gifted. He's super gifted. He's a
Speaker 1: basketball prodigy. But he's not afraid. Man, he's nasty. Like
Speaker 1: he's not afraid to walk into places and be and
Speaker 1: go at people knows who knows. And you saw it
Speaker 1: when he was scrimmaging USA basketball. You saw him like
Speaker 1: with Anthony Davis, Lebron James, like all those guys. He
Speaker 1: was going at him. Man, the great White Hope. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what everyone, That's what everyone thinks he just signed
Speaker 1: with New Balance. Maybe he loves Larry Big Larry Bird
Speaker 1: fan Larry. That's that kind of guy. But he's nasty
Speaker 1: like that, is he He's like, he's like tough like
Speaker 1: Larry Bird was tough? Is he is?
Speaker 2: He quiet on the court? Does he talks ship? Talked ship,
Speaker 2: but he talked ship with his ball.
Speaker 1: He talked ship. He talked ship like after like something.
Speaker 1: He's always talking. He's always talking. Yeah, he yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean he's always chirping, you know. And and he got
Speaker 1: that fire like you know when we went in there.
Speaker 1: I went up to Mania, uh I think it was
Speaker 1: two years ago now, and and we scrimmaged and we
Speaker 1: got him the first day. You could tell he walked in.
Speaker 1: He wasn't talking to nobody. He was coming in. He
Speaker 1: tied his shoes, he's ready. He was not laughing, he
Speaker 1: was not joking. And he murdered us. Murdered us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we'll see. He will be one year at Duke.
Speaker 1: Good chance he'll be at number one pick, if not
Speaker 1: a top three pick, and then you know, then there's that.
Speaker 1: Then the league is a different animal. It's like there's
Speaker 1: so many different levels of players in the NBA. There's
Speaker 1: and and you know, we'll see what he becomes. But
Speaker 1: he's a worker, he's tough, he's gifted. You know, he's
Speaker 1: got a great environment, great family. You know. I wish
Speaker 1: I hope him that he's like whatever he could become.
Speaker 1: I feel like you'll maximize this potentially.
Speaker 2: You know, it's going to be so fun to watch
Speaker 2: because I always like watching the guys that are these
Speaker 2: hype guys. Like he's got hype. I mean we're talking
Speaker 2: about him. He's not even you know, in college yet. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so like these hype guys, it's pretty It just makes you.
Speaker 2: It brings you a little attention to that area. You know,
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, I want to see what this guy does.
Speaker 2: Can he is going to live up to it? Or
Speaker 2: is he going to believe it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? You know, I mean Maine, Maine main Like there's
Speaker 1: like you can't name four NBA players from me, you Like,
Speaker 1: you can't name one really outside of Cooper, Like like
Speaker 1: there's there's just it's just not an environment for that.
Speaker 1: It's just not it's just that makes it more impressive.
Speaker 1: It's beyond it's it's prodigy and he's super gifted. He
Speaker 1: has a twin brother who was always like forty fifty
Speaker 1: pounds heavier than him growing up, and beat the shit
Speaker 1: out of him right, and then he just he never
Speaker 1: backed down, He never cried to mom. He just kept
Speaker 1: going out. No, his brother now is small, Say geez,
Speaker 1: his brother played for me on my team, White Mam.
Speaker 1: But he was good. He's a good player. Like I
Speaker 1: think he'll go to U Maine. You know, it's just
Speaker 1: like but his you know, like you grow up. You
Speaker 1: grew up getting your ass whipped like by your older
Speaker 1: by your twin brother. Like you just never think that
Speaker 1: you're good or not, even if you're gifted. You're just
Speaker 1: always going at your brother who's big, and it's like
Speaker 1: hard to beat those guys, can't.
Speaker 2: No, No, we got to talk about you said, White Mamba,
Speaker 2: the one on ones when you challenge.
Speaker 1: Well, it was kind of like the movie.
Speaker 2: So we were talking about, you know that he had
Speaker 2: to get some some fucking mojo. So he went on
Speaker 2: and started beating the shit out of people.
Speaker 1: How is that? So I was are you familiar touching
Speaker 1: and Rich? Yeah? Okay, yeah, sports tub. So I was
Speaker 1: on the sports tub and they everyone asked me, like
Speaker 1: listen when I got done playing basketball, like I'm a
Speaker 1: hoop hit. I still play now, even though, like I know,
Speaker 1: like football players, you gotta see it differently, like you
Speaker 1: guys are fucking done when you're done, right, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: So I still play, like I play against these high
Speaker 1: school kids like I go and I just play all
Speaker 1: the time. And but at the time when I just
Speaker 1: got out, I was playing, like you can't believe, like
Speaker 1: I was going. I would do the Celtic games, and
Speaker 1: I think, like a sneaky side of me did the
Speaker 1: Celtic job just so I can go to different cities
Speaker 1: and find pick up to play in like that's how
Speaker 1: I was a I'm like a pickup savage, right. But
Speaker 1: I was thirty three at the time. So I'm playing
Speaker 1: all these pickup games. And I had this rec league
Speaker 1: and the night before I just had I was going
Speaker 1: I had to go and I had sixty five points.
Speaker 1: So someone gets on the chat and was just they
Speaker 1: just started frying me in the chat. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: y'all really think, like I don't think that, Like I
Speaker 1: don't think I could tackle you. I don't think I
Speaker 1: can hit a fucking baseball, Like I don't think I
Speaker 1: can hit a golf ball like I don't think. I
Speaker 1: don't think I could do. I don't think I could
Speaker 1: play Batman, you know, I don't think like that. I
Speaker 1: think I could hoop right, And I don't even think
Speaker 1: I'm that good of a one on one player, but
Speaker 1: I'm better than like average Joe's. So I was just
Speaker 1: you know what, I'll play anybody anytime, just like sending
Speaker 1: your videos. We'll pick the best players and we'll just
Speaker 1: we'll go. I'll play five of you guys in a row.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't matter to me. And so I just went in
Speaker 1: there and once, like the way it works, once I
Speaker 1: see something once or twice, I'm like, all right, I
Speaker 1: know what you are. You're you're a right handed pull up,
Speaker 1: You're a left handed to the cup. You like to
Speaker 1: step back, you know, like I could. I can if
Speaker 1: I see someone live twice like two possessions, I know
Speaker 1: exactly what you are. Right, I've seen it. I've seen
Speaker 1: it on the highest level. And by the way, besides,
Speaker 1: like Kobe Bryant, most guys in the NBA do like
Speaker 1: two to seven things max to get open and get
Speaker 1: a shot off. So I've seen that same move. But
Speaker 1: it was Paul Pierce doing it, and now was you.
Speaker 1: So I can stop you. I might not be able
Speaker 1: to stop Paul Pierce, but I can stop you. So
Speaker 1: I challenged five guys. I played him. You know, I
Speaker 1: won like fifty five to eight. Bind you know, but
Speaker 1: uh that gap is closing at forty six. Still got it,
Speaker 1: still got I played?
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: I played this dude called the Hesy God like he's
Speaker 1: a YouTuber and he whooped my ass. Like he whooped
Speaker 1: my ass. He just he like he built like you
Speaker 1: like small, right and strong, and he just he was
Speaker 1: doing shit that I've never even seen before. Right, So
Speaker 1: these fucking you know what, isn't it crazy?
Speaker 2: It is crazy how sport in general and all sports
Speaker 2: it's getting to a like you watch some of these
Speaker 2: football kids. I watch them on you know, YouTube in
Speaker 2: or you know whatever, and you see the skill level
Speaker 2: that they have. It's incredible. It's incredible. Or I'll get
Speaker 2: into like a wormhole of watching hoopers. Oh yeah, these
Speaker 2: like little kids, yeah, you know, like how they got
Speaker 2: their their handles. And it's just the information age has
Speaker 2: helped athlete worlds so much total because we used to
Speaker 2: I used to like hear folklore of how Jerry Rice
Speaker 2: chained trained.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't know how it is, and you
Speaker 1: didn't see it. I didn't see it, but you would
Speaker 1: hear and you would go to do it.
Speaker 2: Now you can go onto Instagram see what your fucking
Speaker 2: favorite athletes do and see everything correct and just be
Speaker 2: a little gym rat and go do it and you know,
Speaker 2: become great at it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like, my son loves Steph Curry, but my
Speaker 1: son is not Steph Curry. But I think the best
Speaker 1: Like this is crazy, right, I think the best offensive
Speaker 1: player in the NBA, like a guy that every kid
Speaker 1: should watch and every kid should embulate. I don't care
Speaker 1: if you're fucking six ' ten or you're five to
Speaker 1: ten is Trey Young. Trey Young, his footwork is perfect,
Speaker 1: his handle is perfect, deficiency is perfect. Like I get it,
Speaker 1: he's not he doesn't make shots, but everything he does
Speaker 1: is perfect. So if when I go to my son,
Speaker 1: I'm like, listen, you shouldn't watch Steph Curry Like that's
Speaker 1: that's otherworldly, Like that's what he does is like I
Speaker 1: don't like that's you can't even teach that. But what
Speaker 1: you really should do is watch this guy. So like
Speaker 1: like He's just glued to it. Trey Young, Trey Young,
Speaker 1: Trey Young, Trey Jung. And so it's like you, that's
Speaker 1: amazing how on Apple TV and YouTube he can watch
Speaker 1: hours of Trey Young just all day long. Tray Young. Like, like,
Speaker 1: we used to have the video tape put in the
Speaker 1: thing and be watch highlights and it wasn't like learning highlights.
Speaker 1: It was just dunks and threes and whatever. Right, So
Speaker 1: you know the information age and sports and let's not
Speaker 1: even I was on Instagram this morning and I saw
Speaker 1: a guy, you know how like you have a feed
Speaker 1: of people you follow, but sometimes they throw somebody in there.
Speaker 1: I saw this dude in Minnesota training people. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I can't do that, but I need a guy that
Speaker 1: could do that to work with my team, right and
Speaker 1: I need that right there, and I'll send him that
Speaker 1: and I'll say, take this guy, study the hell out
Speaker 1: of him, and I want you to do this with
Speaker 1: my kids. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I see there's one guy up in New York. I
Speaker 2: see trains all these guys.
Speaker 1: I think Brady Brickley, Yes, Brickley. Yeah. I am like
Speaker 1: I watched some of the guys these drills.
Speaker 2: There's so fascinating and they're so awesome to watch the
Speaker 2: things they come up with and then see it translate.
Speaker 1: Oh, they actually do that in the game. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 2: You go from what we always used to say, you
Speaker 2: go from the classroom to the drill, to the seven
Speaker 2: on seven to the team period. You know, no one
Speaker 2: sees those drills, the things that you do in order
Speaker 2: to execute at you know, in the team periods.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of similar watching these guys. They'll cut
Speaker 2: up like one little thing and they'll do it a
Speaker 2: million times and then they perfect it and then it's
Speaker 2: just it.
Speaker 1: Has that changed in football, Like so like here's here's
Speaker 1: the big thing. So in basketball, it's the dribble to
Speaker 1: the gather, Like you can you could spin that ball
Speaker 1: or hold that ball out as long as you possibly can,
Speaker 1: as long as you don't put your hand underneath the
Speaker 1: ball or put two hands on the ball, and you
Speaker 1: can take a thousand steps if you want. Right. So
Speaker 1: the whole gather series, Uh, Like the float and gather
Speaker 1: is like kind of like James Harden, Right, he puts
Speaker 1: the ball, he floats it and he goes then he
Speaker 1: shoots it. Right, So he's like it's okay with their
Speaker 1: hands on top of the ball. So that's been a
Speaker 1: big change. Like not many players. There were some, but
Speaker 1: not many, and back in the day did it. So
Speaker 1: now like when you talk about little kids, like kids
Speaker 1: that can't even play float the ball, high, gather, low, gather,
Speaker 1: power gather, right, has there been a thing in football
Speaker 1: where you watch and say, man, there was nobody doing that,
Speaker 1: and now everybody's doing that.
Speaker 2: For me, I think football it's just it's it's for
Speaker 2: the receiver position. I think it's their release game. You know,
Speaker 2: the releases at the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: Shot it.
Speaker 2: These guys they have such a big tool belt now
Speaker 2: and they can practice it like my release is I
Speaker 2: would release and instinctively just go. They use it as
Speaker 2: like a weapon now where they have a counter, they
Speaker 2: have a double, they have a speed, they have a
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Yeah, it's just I think
Speaker 2: they're just everyone's a technician now. Everyone's a technician now,
Speaker 2: and these big ass receipts everyone get in and out
Speaker 2: of breaks. Like you watch a guy like Jamar Chase
Speaker 2: or Justin Jefferson. Those guys used to be guys that
Speaker 2: just went down the sideline. Jamar Chase is two hundred
Speaker 2: and ten to fifteen pounds, six ' one six, a
Speaker 2: tall six ' one, and he can get in and
Speaker 2: out of breaks like like a little guy. You know,
Speaker 2: that's the stuff you're starting to see here, you know,
Speaker 2: in the league. And then also the rule changes have
Speaker 2: allowed guys to, you know, play across the middle.
Speaker 1: You know, it kind of happened in the middle of my.
Speaker 2: Career where you couldn't hit the guys like they used
Speaker 2: to in the head, right in the head or just
Speaker 2: in general. You know, guys, we started farming this in
Speaker 2: the young kids sports. You know, you start seeing him
Speaker 2: Pop Warner, where these guys are starting to see, like
Speaker 2: your favorite guy that used to be a headhunter or
Speaker 2: a big hitter, he ain't even playing because he's suspended.
Speaker 2: So and then the guy who's making the picks is
Speaker 2: getting paid hell of money. So now they don't even
Speaker 2: go for the big hit as much. They go for
Speaker 2: an interception because you get paid if you get interceptions.
Speaker 2: So the whole game has changed. It has become a
Speaker 2: space game, very similar to basketball.
Speaker 1: More space. It's spaced now, can I I've always wanted
Speaker 1: to ask you this and this is for all guys
Speaker 1: going over the middle. When you're going over the middle,
Speaker 1: is that a feel that you know that there's a
Speaker 1: guy there or not there?
Speaker 2: So you know pre snap what's going to be. You
Speaker 2: know the coverage, so I kind of know where guys
Speaker 2: are supposed to be from the look before the snap.
Speaker 2: Now there's a lot of variables when that happens. But
Speaker 2: you know, if the quarterback comes late to you across
Speaker 2: the middle and you're on a twenty yard ind and
Speaker 2: you're starting to get past those numbers, that's usually when
Speaker 2: you hit that middlefield safety. So I can anticipate if
Speaker 2: I'm going to get my clock cleaned.
Speaker 1: So's it's a gut or you actually when the ball's
Speaker 1: in the air, because it's so slow for you, you
Speaker 1: can say, damn about get hit? Well I can.
Speaker 2: I can know by the time that you know when
Speaker 2: the quarterback throw me the ball, where the quarterback threw
Speaker 2: me the ball, that you know, if if the defense.
Speaker 1: Is where they're supposed to be, I could be getting hit.
Speaker 2: So you're prepared for you you're not, Yeah, you're prepared
Speaker 2: for it, but you know going into it, Yeah, you
Speaker 2: know if.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get take one or not. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and you know, and you know when you're not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know when you're not. You know when you're not.
Speaker 1: You know where you're going. You're like, I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna have a little bit of room here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So a lot of it.
Speaker 2: You know, when you see a lot of those big hits,
Speaker 2: it's sometimes it's receivers running through zones, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, because man coverage, you're not really gonna get
Speaker 2: a hit unless there's a rat, a guy in the
Speaker 2: middle of the field who has no responsibility that's reading
Speaker 2: the quarterback size or you're deep and you hit that
Speaker 2: middle field safety. So if man coverage you beat your guy,
Speaker 2: you're good. But you always see these big hits because
Speaker 2: it's a young receiver running like a bat out of
Speaker 2: hell through the zone. Yeah, waiting for and a guy
Speaker 2: is waiting for you. So you can kind of anticipate
Speaker 2: when you get older, you know where the soft spots
Speaker 2: of the zones are. And if you have a good
Speaker 2: rapport with the quarterback, he knows that as well, so
Speaker 2: you know, you're his eyes out on the field, Like
Speaker 2: I was a lot of times I'd be Tom's eyes
Speaker 2: he'd trust where I was going and then you know,
Speaker 2: he would throw me to where he wanted me to run.
Speaker 2: You know, So if you put it on this shoulder,
Speaker 2: he's saying, Hey, there's a guy over here, let's go this.
Speaker 1: I see. I see. So that that's where the nuances come.
Speaker 1: And when you watch that, you pick pick it up
Speaker 1: right away, like you're watching ooh, young receiver or ooh
Speaker 1: quarterback didn't do You can see when a guy gets
Speaker 1: blown up, you know why he got there. So so
Speaker 1: think about like what I do with the Celtics, right,
Speaker 1: Like I love basketball, but it's really hard to explain
Speaker 1: like the nuances of what the game is and then
Speaker 1: try to make it so people can understand it. Right.
Speaker 1: And it's funny how there's a misconception about every time
Speaker 1: I meet up football player, the misconception is like dumb
Speaker 1: football player. You guys like the smartest people, every single
Speaker 1: one of you guys, and the layers of what you got. Mike,
Speaker 1: you know that you know when you were on layer three, four, five,
Speaker 1: like you know in the NBA we stop at two.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, it's just because you know when you
Speaker 2: when you play, when you play sixteen seventeen games and
Speaker 2: you have a whole week to prepare for one game.
Speaker 2: Just imagine, like like what you said when you're going
Speaker 2: into playoffs. You guys got that book. Yeah, that's like
Speaker 2: that every week because you can't. You can't slip up
Speaker 2: and have a three game skid in the NFL. Your
Speaker 2: season's over for sure, for sure. So you have you
Speaker 2: have to prepare for everything to put yourself in the
Speaker 2: position to go out and perform three hours on a
Speaker 2: Sunday the best of your possibility, and then you have
Speaker 2: to dump it and go to the next week. Crazy,
Speaker 2: you know, that's that's foot.
Speaker 1: How how when you go to the playoffs is it
Speaker 1: even more?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I mean it's the speeds are always
Speaker 2: like this. You know, you come in and March and
Speaker 2: you got organized team activities and you start working out
Speaker 2: for like six weeks with the team. You work out,
Speaker 2: you're working on your speed, and then you guys start
Speaker 2: doing a little you know ota where you're installing the offense,
Speaker 2: and it's like a little faster because now you have
Speaker 2: a guy across from you, but you're still there's no pads.
Speaker 1: That's like faster.
Speaker 2: Then you get to training camp and it's like a
Speaker 2: lot faster hit, well not hitting, but just the speed.
Speaker 2: And when you're feeling another guy on you, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, And when the ball's coming and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, you know you're not getting hit, but
Speaker 2: the ball you know if you would have got hit,
Speaker 2: So there's things flying around. Then you get the regular
Speaker 2: season when you know you're not going against a guy
Speaker 2: who's not going to make the team, and it gets
Speaker 2: that much faster, and then you.
Speaker 1: Get to the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Every week that there's no business decisions anymore. Guys are
Speaker 2: going like bad out of hell trying to kill you.
Speaker 2: So it's it's crazy, but it's you know, that's that's
Speaker 2: why we like playing the game for sure.
Speaker 1: For sure. We'll be right back after this quick break.
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Speaker 2: This is a segment where we go back in time
Speaker 2: around the game. This was around May fourteenth, two thousand
Speaker 2: and four, good year, and we go over pop culture
Speaker 2: and then one movie was Troy brad Pitt You see that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good movie. Let's get a little bit about the
Speaker 1: Trojan Horse. I went to USC. Yeah, he fight on
Speaker 1: the Big ten. Now that's so weird. That's so weird
Speaker 1: to say it's crazy. Yeah, and the quarterback makes eight
Speaker 1: million bucks. Yeah, that's what thirty years I gotta go back.
Speaker 1: You know this quarterback was making eight million dollars in college.
Speaker 2: What a loser he's making forty now? Yeah, jesus, No
Speaker 2: one song was yeah by Usher. I think we all asked,
Speaker 2: like this was this was my high school? Oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: I was in high school here. I think that was
Speaker 2: like our prom song.
Speaker 1: Forgot Usher got you if you assisted in high school?
Speaker 1: And also a couple of heartbreaks. You know, you got
Speaker 1: it bad, bro, you got it bad. Oh you got
Speaker 1: it bad. No way, no way. You were crying out.
Speaker 1: No way, man, you're shedding a real tear. No way, amen,
Speaker 1: no way, no way you turn into this shedding a tear.
Speaker 1: You know, we're not just dumb. Football players are sensitive guys.
Speaker 1: Ain't no way, ain't no way. You're probably like all right,
Speaker 1: like like it's like you did well, you know what
Speaker 1: it's cover two? Now it's a cover three. I go
Speaker 1: to to the Nickel package. You had a backup playing.
Speaker 1: I know it.
Speaker 5: Let's find the soft spot in the zone.
Speaker 1: Oh, Kyler, what was it? What was it?
Speaker 2: Two thousand and four scal like right now, don this
Speaker 2: Oh my god, two thousand and four.
Speaker 1: So like I was year so I went to school
Speaker 1: five years so this see I'm twenty oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: twenty four, twenty three, twenty three, four, twenty five. So
Speaker 1: the game is just starting to slow down for me, right,
Speaker 1: Like there's a point when you talk about the speed
Speaker 1: of the game, Like when I first got into the
Speaker 1: NBA and it's some bullshit preseason game, I felt like
Speaker 1: I was in the middle of a highway and it
Speaker 1: was going a million miles an hour. I finally like
Speaker 1: kind of like started to carve out like who I am,
Speaker 1: what I am, this is what I do, trust my
Speaker 1: work and all that stuff. So just just at that
Speaker 1: point started to slow down. And you know, I also
Speaker 1: recognize that I'm never gonna be a this. I'm really
Speaker 1: happy doing this. Let me master my role and just
Speaker 1: and like, let me see how far I can go
Speaker 1: with this particular role. And I thought that was that
Speaker 1: hits a lot of guys, right there. A lot of guys.
Speaker 2: Guys don't manage their expectations and it takes them out
Speaker 2: of the overall big picture of why you just want
Speaker 2: to be on a team. Yeah, you know so some guys,
Speaker 2: I mean, I've seen it. You know, a guy thinks
Speaker 2: he should be here, and he's worrying about you know,
Speaker 2: what the coach is doing.
Speaker 1: He's worrying about this.
Speaker 2: When you know, if you just sit back and worry
Speaker 2: about what you have to do, that's when the great
Speaker 2: things happen.
Speaker 1: For sure, you know what I mean. So I can
Speaker 1: fully you know we had we had Jason Kidd on
Speaker 1: our team, right, and hey boy, and it's right baby.
Speaker 1: Just think about this, Like I had a really fast
Speaker 1: I played in junior college as well, I had a
Speaker 1: really fast team in junior college. I got really good
Speaker 1: at taking the ball out of bounds, right, some simple
Speaker 1: thing like all goes through the net, like whether it
Speaker 1: be like a quarterback in their drops. You know, I
Speaker 1: could want to and step on the line and as
Speaker 1: I step, I can release the ball. Right. So some
Speaker 1: meaningless nothing right that I got a lot of practice
Speaker 1: on will be played fast. Well, all of a sudden
Speaker 1: I get drafted and Jason kids on my team. That
Speaker 1: shit matters. And if I take the ball out and
Speaker 1: it goes to Keny Martin for an alu, like my
Speaker 1: coaches are going to realize that it's a way of
Speaker 1: putting it like this. Let's say I was going to
Speaker 1: play four and a half minutes. Let's say I take
Speaker 1: the ball out, I get it the kid, and kid
Speaker 1: goes it to Martin. That might buy me thirty seconds.
Speaker 1: Let's say in that thirty seconds, I grab a rebound
Speaker 1: and I knocked down at three. I just bought myself
Speaker 1: three more minutes, right, So I lived under That was
Speaker 1: the year when I realized that I'm buying my time,
Speaker 1: like I'm bidding on my minutes by my play. And
Speaker 1: if I didn't play well, then probably wouldn't go back
Speaker 1: in the second half. But the point is play well
Speaker 1: enough to get a second half opportunity.
Speaker 2: See, that's the difference between basketball and football. Like I
Speaker 2: was in that same situation, but that was during practice. Really, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know where that's how you earned your opportunity because
Speaker 2: on game day you're only dressing forty six out of
Speaker 2: fifty three. And if you don't do it in practice,
Speaker 2: if you don't take advantage of those opportunities those inbounds
Speaker 2: or whatever in practice, and they didn't see you.
Speaker 1: Do it, they weren't putting you out on that fucking field. Wow,
Speaker 1: So wait a minute, how many how many possessions offensively
Speaker 1: in a football game? Typically there's about usually about sixty plays? Okay,
Speaker 1: going into that, do they know by.
Speaker 2: Like eleven on a high what is it like seven
Speaker 2: to eleven possessions.
Speaker 1: Per per side? So do you know how many you're getting?
Speaker 1: Like going in, you're like, I'm gonna get you can
Speaker 1: forty what place plays? Uh? You could have a package.
Speaker 2: So if you're not a first if you're not a
Speaker 2: guy like how I started, there was a four wide
Speaker 2: package where on third downs you'd have Randy Wes, Joey Galloway,
Speaker 2: they'd take the tight end out and they'd put me
Speaker 2: in called four wide. So there may be five plays
Speaker 2: with that package that they could only use on third down.
Speaker 1: That was it. That was that was it. So you're
Speaker 1: on the sideline all you're rooting for third down.
Speaker 7: I'm rooting for I hope those ship in the ground
Speaker 7: so I can get in there for that five white package.
Speaker 7: Say it, admit it, you're like, yo, I could really
Speaker 7: use the third down right now?
Speaker 2: You know how many times I saw Walker got he
Speaker 2: get like this, This is how tough he was.
Speaker 1: I saw him like his helmet came off. I'm over
Speaker 1: here striving, I'm going in hell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the motherfucker get backed up, yo.
Speaker 1: We are certifiedly tapped. We are tapped. Like that's just
Speaker 1: like when Key Martin would punch somebody, I'd be like, sweet, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm about to buy. Yeah. That's that's how it was.
Speaker 1: That's how it was.
Speaker 2: But it's crazy, you know, like you guys are learning
Speaker 2: your team as the season goes.
Speaker 1: Each and every game, oh yeah, changing me. So you
Speaker 1: know we.
Speaker 2: Have to learn our team a lot through the practice
Speaker 2: and then in the games as well. But you know
Speaker 2: you have to you have to go out and do
Speaker 2: everything you can win those which is I heard you
Speaker 2: talking about that.
Speaker 1: It was crazy. There's dirty needs, third and law.
Speaker 3: Yeah for wide let's get behind the chains baby. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I bet you can watch you on the sideline, like
Speaker 1: you get a first down, second, second and eight, you
Speaker 1: get a first down, you probably or you know return.
Speaker 2: In football, there's a whole different you know, if they
Speaker 2: we punt, I could be out there.
Speaker 1: So you're sitting there cheerleading. The more you can do,
Speaker 1: the more you can do, you got. It's a it's
Speaker 1: a weird mindset. You gotta be like, you gotta want
Speaker 1: to win, you gotta want the best for your team
Speaker 1: and all that, but you got to be hungry to
Speaker 1: get that in there. Else when you go in there,
Speaker 1: you won't do well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you got to take advantage of the opportunity
Speaker 2: because I remember, you know, early on, I would struggle
Speaker 2: because I was used to being in the game as
Speaker 2: a quarterback in college. Every fucking play touching the ball,
Speaker 2: you know, so your focuses are, you're in the game.
Speaker 2: You could feel the momentum in the swings of the game.
Speaker 2: When I first got in the league, I'm playing like
Speaker 2: eight offensive plays, like you fuck up one? You're like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, It's it's fucking life or death.
Speaker 2: And then you may not have been on the field
Speaker 2: for like twenty five minutes, so then you gotta go.
Speaker 1: You know, that's like a bench player. No, I know,
Speaker 1: it's tough. In two thousand and three, two thousand and four,
Speaker 1: in the sports world, the Pistons, they won that championship.
Speaker 2: When we get into this right here, shadowing KG was
Speaker 2: the MVP of the NBA. Stanley Cup winners were the
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay Lightning. Wow, they've done it a few times now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're great.
Speaker 1: They do. They like hockey and Florida win. They do.
Speaker 1: It's gotta be about free agents going down there and
Speaker 1: not paying no tax, say.
Speaker 2: Tax, Yeah, it particularly with Canada has extra Texas to
Speaker 2: Lebron James, I was he was drafted. I was at
Speaker 2: Kent when he was over there, Yeah, and was six.
Speaker 2: I was in because I went to Kent State in
Speaker 2: Ohio and he grew up an Akron, which is like
Speaker 2: right there. So like I felt that whole like aura
Speaker 2: of Lebron and that whole thing.
Speaker 1: It was crazy. I went and bought his shoes. He's awesome.
Speaker 1: I mean it's incredible. It's incredible. He's still yeah, exceed
Speaker 1: the expectations. He's a great guy, like great businessman. I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's like it's very it's very rare to
Speaker 1: exceed hype because hype is hype. Hype is hype. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like, but he exceeded it and he still does.
Speaker 1: He's still exceeding hype.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and not even just on the on the court,
Speaker 5: but like in life too.
Speaker 1: Everything he elevates everything. Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 2: Barry Bond set the record for being intentionally walked four
Speaker 2: times in one game.
Speaker 1: Do you watch baseball? I think I watched back in
Speaker 1: the day. That was when he was cranking home ranking
Speaker 1: had a massive head New era making that customs the
Speaker 1: big Lance Armstrong fantasy to what he did.
Speaker 8: I'm desperately trying to do a Twitter France Days as
Speaker 8: an episode here, but it's not getting buy in from
Speaker 8: the team.
Speaker 2: What do you mean, I love I like the Tordate
Speaker 2: French shout out, I forgot you.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: And then Bethany surfer, Bethany Hamilton lost her arm to
Speaker 2: a shark attack.
Speaker 1: Soul surfer a little bit. We just interviewed Larry Hamilton,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, like the faitness guy.
Speaker 2: No, the fucking big Waves surf.
Speaker 1: And all that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, his coffee is.
Speaker 2: Great, yeah, surfer mentality man. Yeah, it's just those guys
Speaker 2: are They're crazy, I know, hyper.
Speaker 5: Competitive, but not against anyone else.
Speaker 1: Yeah they're not.
Speaker 2: They're they're hyper competitive, but like against the climate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3: He invited Jewels up to his spot in malibur to
Speaker 3: do some Jalen Brown underwater weightlifting.
Speaker 1: Yea, he worked for Jalen Brown. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just saw JB. Yeah, yeah, you know that stuff. I
Speaker 1: saw that stuff like handstands, Yeah, jumps, he does that
Speaker 1: with him that.
Speaker 2: I was looking at all this stuff, like I wish
Speaker 2: I would have done that because it's not there's no
Speaker 2: impact on your legs and you can still work on
Speaker 2: explosion and keep that nervous system popping.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if it's placed plays in football,
Speaker 1: but basketball, a lot of guys don't know how to breathe,
Speaker 1: and I think that one part of that is learning
Speaker 1: how to control Like you're in so if you're doing
Speaker 1: handstands into this and that, you obviously you can't breathe
Speaker 1: when you're under water, So controlling your breath over the
Speaker 1: course of eighty two one hundred and three offensive possessions
Speaker 1: in a game, you have to be able to, like
Speaker 1: learn how to breathe. Yeah, all those moments and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. I work with so many kids, you'd be
Speaker 1: surprised how many hold their breath when they do things.
Speaker 1: It's like, guys, guys like you have to learn teams
Speaker 1: yourself how to breathe because it's it's a long game.
Speaker 1: It's a really long game here, and if you're not
Speaker 1: when the ball goes out of bounds, you're not taking
Speaker 1: two or three deep breaths when you're there's a free throw,
Speaker 1: You're not catching your breath, You're not doing any of that.
Speaker 1: Eventually your body just wears.
Speaker 2: Out, wears out, and then the fourth quarter you're gonna
Speaker 2: get to your toast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a big I'm a big Jalen Brown fan
Speaker 1: like his uh. I loved his approach. He always believed
Speaker 1: that he was gonna be great man. He always wasn't
Speaker 1: just talk like he worked And so like, if I'm
Speaker 1: I I that's all I care about when it comes
Speaker 1: to my athletes that I like and look up to.
Speaker 1: Are you a worker? Are you doing what you're like?
Speaker 1: You might have a good game of bad game. You
Speaker 1: might do this and that on the court off the court,
Speaker 1: but like, if you have a consistency with your work,
Speaker 1: I like I I look at that and say, like
Speaker 1: that's something that you should follow that this is a job.
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure.
Speaker 2: You know, we were getting paid a lot of money
Speaker 2: to do something we love.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why not do the most you can? For sure?
Speaker 1: And out here I do feel like it's different. Sports
Speaker 1: are different, Like there is a sense that you have
Speaker 1: to it's okay. There's two things. There's the fans that
Speaker 1: go in the current climate of the of the sports
Speaker 1: in the New England area. And there's also like the
Speaker 1: people of the past who have done it before and
Speaker 1: you have to live up to that legacy. So there's
Speaker 1: two things going on. So it's it takes yourself like
Speaker 1: a little bit out of the equation. I really felt
Speaker 1: this year, and I think coach Joe Mizzoula did a
Speaker 1: really good job of it. Is he made it about
Speaker 1: like the Celtic legacy, the Celtic fan and the New
Speaker 1: England area. And when you start playing for things more
Speaker 1: than yourself and you work for things more than yourself,
Speaker 1: then I think you get further than just working for yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's well, very well said. That's very well said.
Speaker 2: I mean when I got here, I just hated fucking
Speaker 2: here in Belichick talk about the other three Super Bowls
Speaker 2: they won before we want so.
Speaker 1: I was like, fuck that? How much? How often? Like daily?
Speaker 1: On the daily?
Speaker 2: He would just it wouldn't be daily, but he'd always
Speaker 2: show an example, you know of like if there's a
Speaker 2: tackle t a TG pool play and we didn't you know,
Speaker 2: blow it up the right way.
Speaker 1: He'd bring up anythink Bruski did it like that, he'd
Speaker 1: throw it, you know what I mean? And you know so.
Speaker 2: But there is that standard and there's that legacy, especially
Speaker 2: in this city for sure, you know, in this area
Speaker 2: that you have to live up to for sure, you
Speaker 2: know forever. All right, Jackie, let's set the stage.
Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna want to get into these Pistons.
Speaker 1: It's game time, Baby.
Speaker 3: This was a Pistons team that went fifty four and
Speaker 3: twenty eight, first year of the Larry Brown era up
Speaker 3: there in Detroit. Brown got swept by the Nets in
Speaker 3: the previous playoffs the year before, and they had the
Speaker 3: second overall pick this year.
Speaker 2: Dark O Baby said that it was the Wallace trade.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she washed the difference maker. Yeah, turned the turned
Speaker 1: them around.
Speaker 3: Started the year thirty three and sixteen, struggled a little
Speaker 3: bit in febus, but then got new life when Rashid
Speaker 3: came on over won sixteen to nineteen after that trade.
Speaker 3: Tough defense like those like those bad Boys teams always got.
Speaker 3: This is an all time tough guy team too.
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, they when they hit their stride,
Speaker 1: it was the best defensive team I've ever played against man.
Speaker 1: But it was like they were just they had everything
Speaker 1: you could want in a defensive team, and they're smart,
Speaker 1: they're physical, Like they had guys coming off the bench,
Speaker 1: so going like at time when they got Rashid Wallace,
Speaker 1: it took a little bit of time, but once they
Speaker 1: hit their stride. I think they had a stretch of
Speaker 1: games where they didn't give up more than eighty points.
Speaker 1: It was like seventeen games in a row or some
Speaker 1: crazy number, and we were two of those games. So
Speaker 1: these guys were so good and things that they did
Speaker 1: were really difficult to go against.
Speaker 3: No, I mean these like this is a team of
Speaker 3: like we were watching the tape bag like Chauncey Billups, Remulton,
Speaker 3: Tayshawn Prince, Ben Wallace, Rashid while it's like this is
Speaker 3: a classic Pistons are team, I.
Speaker 1: Mean this classic. They want a championship. Yes, this was
Speaker 1: a crazy era. And then what could you see Larry
Speaker 1: Brown evolve this team in the year that you saw
Speaker 1: that as well? Yeah, Larry Brown is like a teacher
Speaker 1: and he loves defense, and it was like perfect and
Speaker 1: you could tell, like you could tell the players love
Speaker 1: Larry Brown. And so when you have a hard ass
Speaker 1: coach and the players like run through a wall for him,
Speaker 1: that's a dangerous thing to go against because there's like
Speaker 1: a lot of hard asses where the coaches the players
Speaker 1: can check that shit out, right, But these guys, for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, they love Larry Brown. And so it was.
Speaker 1: And he's a good coach. He's a tough coach and
Speaker 1: he loves to teach. I did all the pre draft workouts.
Speaker 1: I went twenty seven pre draft workouts. I did some twice.
Speaker 1: I learned more about basketball and that Larry Brown pre
Speaker 1: draft work It wasn't like he was working us out
Speaker 1: to evaluate our talent. He just can't help himself, like
Speaker 1: he wants to teach the game. Yeah, and that was
Speaker 1: when it was in one and that was he was
Speaker 1: with Filly at the time. Yeah, with Iverson. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's crazy.
Speaker 3: I think Larry Brown been coaching since nineteen sixty something
Speaker 3: like sixty five and was coaching Memphis with Penny up
Speaker 3: until a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: Lifer Man, Lifer, that's one of those coaches for life.
Speaker 3: And speaking of coaches, this team had two future head coaches,
Speaker 3: Darvin Ham with the Lakers and Hubert Davis with You
Speaker 3: and c So some more names on this team.
Speaker 1: Wow, smart dudes. So we were talking. You said, Rashid
Speaker 1: Wallace was like there he was the final piece. Now piece,
Speaker 1: It's like, don't I uh, I could be wrong, tell
Speaker 1: me if I am. But middle linebacker of you guys, right,
Speaker 1: Like in the middle linebacker kind of sets a tone,
Speaker 1: like he tells he has to call the plays and
Speaker 1: he says the formation. He said, this is what's going on. Like,
Speaker 1: Rashid Wallace has got a great mouth. He's like if
Speaker 1: he's back in the back line, he knows everything that's
Speaker 1: going on and he's talking about it. He ain't just
Speaker 1: quiet or anything like that. He's cerebral. He's smart. He
Speaker 1: stays ahead of the game. And so if you were
Speaker 1: going to on a sideline pick and roll, he'll be like,
Speaker 1: sideline pick and roll, watch pin down week side. You know,
Speaker 1: so you're thinking about you're a guard, you're facing that way.
Speaker 1: I'm Rashid Wallace. I'm telling you, like, hey, sideline pick
Speaker 1: and roll, Jules is gonna be a pin down. Just
Speaker 1: s down his hip and then play would happen and
Speaker 1: he would do it like that and that would be
Speaker 1: every single play. And then when a play did break down.
Speaker 1: He's gifted enough to get up there, block a shot
Speaker 1: and get a rebound. You know, So it's just him defensively,
Speaker 1: it's a difference maker. Ben Wallace is really good. Oh
Speaker 1: but Ben Wallace is more like he's raw and he's
Speaker 1: and he's good and block a shot and a rebound.
Speaker 1: He's tough. Shee Wallace is like, and Garnett's a little
Speaker 1: bit like this. He's like they're spitting out the coverages
Speaker 1: and they're spitting out what's happening before it happens. And
Speaker 1: when you're going against guys like that, you just got
Speaker 1: to be good, Like you're just you're not gonna get open,
Speaker 1: You're not gonna get tricked, You're not gonna do you
Speaker 1: just got to be nasty. You've got to be able
Speaker 1: to make a play when things like you know, go
Speaker 1: to shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean playing in a locker room scale like
Speaker 3: Genots years later, but with KG and Rashid Wallace, Like,
Speaker 3: how the heck was that?
Speaker 1: So Rashee Wallace that year was phenomenal, like offensively and
Speaker 1: you know, he could carry a team early on he
Speaker 1: was coming off the bench. But you got the true
Speaker 1: sense of it in the playoffs. Right when the playoffs
Speaker 1: rolled around, I was like, whoa, this guy. These two
Speaker 1: guys are on a different level, right, And that was
Speaker 1: a year that we kind of sucked from Christmas Day
Speaker 1: to the end of the season, and then those two
Speaker 1: guys just like like just owned the defense and Kendrick
Speaker 1: Perkins was back there. It was really good defensively. So
Speaker 1: they are the reasons why we kind of coasted all
Speaker 1: the way to the finals and then Perk got hurt
Speaker 1: and we not winning in twenty ten. But you could
Speaker 1: those guys and Garnett's an everyday guy, but Rashie Wallace
Speaker 1: and the levels that he went to is a big
Speaker 1: reason why. And the levels that that group went to,
Speaker 1: it's the reason why we got back to the final.
Speaker 1: I still think if Perk didn't get hurt, we're winning
Speaker 1: that thing. Yeah, I mean Lakers deserved it, Like they
Speaker 1: came out, they they rebounded the ball, they did what
Speaker 1: they needed to do. But but no, it was, uh,
Speaker 1: that was a great series. That was that was It
Speaker 1: went to that series. That was That was when I
Speaker 1: first got here. Damn. It was interesting to see I
Speaker 1: think one guy in particular, Pagasol, right like in two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, he just wasn't ready for it right,
Speaker 1: and you could tell, like, I don't know if he
Speaker 1: was intimidated by Garnett, he just wasn't ready. But the
Speaker 1: palgasol that he won championships next year and then he's
Speaker 1: coming back to play us. That was a completely different guy.
Speaker 1: And like at the time, I could be pissed about it,
Speaker 1: but like, you got to show respect when a guy
Speaker 1: gets destroyed and comes back and avenges his demons. I
Speaker 1: got nothing but love for that man, even though it
Speaker 1: cost us a championship and whatever whatever it was, But like, yeah,
Speaker 1: back to him, man, Like that's not an easy thing
Speaker 1: to do when you get your ass whooped by a guy,
Speaker 1: Like it's not easy to come back and like eventually
Speaker 1: avenge what happened. It's not. It's not easy. No, a
Speaker 1: lot of people just some most people just walk away
Speaker 1: or they just can't or they just like they're you
Speaker 1: always going to have their number. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: In this game before mister big shot Chauncey Billups and
Speaker 1: all that stuff, Jason Kidd owned him and and when
Speaker 1: they got Rashid Wallace, the tide shifted a lot. You
Speaker 1: can look at we swept them. You can just watch
Speaker 1: that matchup. Kid own that matchup. But from this point on,
Speaker 1: and I want to say, like in particular, it felt
Speaker 1: like this year and this game, like from that point on,
Speaker 1: like Billups like did his thing against Kid. But before
Speaker 1: that it was like a drastic difference between the two.
Speaker 1: Kid was getting up in age too. Yeah he had
Speaker 1: to knee. Yeah he was a young kid.
Speaker 2: No, we were playing him, you know, ten years earlier
Speaker 2: in fucking hooping up and shit, or was one NBA
Speaker 2: jam when he was in the Phoenix. I played hooping
Speaker 2: up one year in Oakland.
Speaker 1: Uh you like it?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: We went to the finals and what you're a hoop
Speaker 2: game like football player playing hoop y?
Speaker 1: Gotcha? Gotcha aggressive? Gotcha? All right? Jackie break down to
Speaker 1: these nets. Yeah, these nets.
Speaker 3: Another awesome defensive team forty seven and thirty five. J
Speaker 3: Kidd of course signed the extension before the season. Also
Speaker 3: had Alonso Morning, but had had to hang it up
Speaker 3: shortly into the season with the kidney condition. But he
Speaker 3: stayed on the bench all year, right.
Speaker 1: Ooh, I'm not sure if he was there at the end.
Speaker 3: Okay, because I feel like he was. I feel like
Speaker 3: he was in street clothes on the bench for this one,
Speaker 3: but maybe he was. Maybe he was, but more resilient
Speaker 3: this team with changing head coaches. After forty two games,
Speaker 3: Byron Scott got fired and they brought Lawrence Frank.
Speaker 1: I like Byron and I Lawrence, but I was like, it
Speaker 1: was our third year together, two finals, and now like
Speaker 1: they were starting to see some cracks in the armor. Right,
Speaker 1: whatever it was, we were just a five hundred team
Speaker 1: and whatever the reason, you can see twenty two and
Speaker 1: twenty and they decided to make a coaching change.
Speaker 2: I've never been around a coaching change, let alone in
Speaker 2: the NBA. Coach comes in in the middle of a
Speaker 2: fucking season.
Speaker 1: He was the assistant coach, so he so is he
Speaker 1: just run the same shit you guys are running, or
Speaker 1: little like just a little bit more counters. Lawrence is
Speaker 1: really prepared. He was really prepared. He kind of took
Speaker 1: over and like if it's just our scout, our scouts
Speaker 1: were longer. Everything was like that, right, and I think,
Speaker 1: you know, like I liked the simplicity in which Byron
Speaker 1: Scott coached that, like he really wanted to get the
Speaker 1: ball to the kid and run, really wanted to run
Speaker 1: the offense simply and just like make plays, you know,
Speaker 1: like I like that. I like that a lot. We
Speaker 1: started fourteen and oh right, but after that we were
Speaker 1: just five hundred, you know, so we just had a
Speaker 1: really good like we really perked up fourteen and oh
Speaker 1: it's hard to do. Yeah, you get a new coach,
Speaker 1: it's hard to do. And so but we were battle tested,
Speaker 1: like Richard Jefferson was coming to his own. Kenyon Martin
Speaker 1: was awesome. You know. I think really what this came
Speaker 1: down to and the reason why we lost, I think
Speaker 1: a lot of it had to do with this game
Speaker 1: and we went to triple overtime and kids knee it
Speaker 1: just couldn't recover after game five, Like he just wasn't
Speaker 1: the same guy in six, and he really wasn't the
Speaker 1: same guy in seven. You got knee problems on that
Speaker 1: hard court. That's a lot, yeah, cause you got to
Speaker 1: play both ends, not even but just the impact. You know,
Speaker 1: you can't you can't like like you can't go to
Speaker 1: the sideline with the defenses on the field and like
Speaker 1: get it right, yeah, you know, or activation like you're
Speaker 1: just in the game.
Speaker 2: You're in Yeah, now can you can you for gen
Speaker 2: Z listeners, can you sum up how this net team
Speaker 2: was what was there like Camp now? Who's their team
Speaker 2: camp now? Because it I mean, you guys went to
Speaker 2: the finals last year.
Speaker 1: Well, like early on we were a fast breaking team,
Speaker 1: like so you could say we were like the Phoenix
Speaker 1: Suns back in the day, right, But we were a
Speaker 1: good defensive team that kind of like struck like. We
Speaker 1: were really versatile and switchable. So that's good in the
Speaker 1: in the league, so you don't have to be in rotation.
Speaker 1: And then offensively, we just get the ball to the kids,
Speaker 1: so it'd be rebound, kid and go, so we'd get
Speaker 1: a lot of easy baskets in transition. Kittles was a flyer,
Speaker 1: Jefferson was a flyer, Keny Martin was a flyer. We
Speaker 1: just had guys like that, so that that kind of
Speaker 1: stummed up a team. Not a great half court team,
Speaker 1: not a great executing team, just didn't didn't shoot it
Speaker 1: well enough, didn't execute well enough, whatever the reason, but
Speaker 1: really good in transition and really good defensively, create steals,
Speaker 1: create have it great turnovers and go what are these
Speaker 1: what are these new Jersey fans? Like? How's that prudential?
Speaker 1: It's funny. It started out nothing and as it became
Speaker 1: a thing like they would show up for the playoffs.
Speaker 1: But when they showed up for the playoffs, he was loud,
Speaker 1: you know, great, But it wasn't like I remember playing
Speaker 1: in the games and I first got there, it'd be
Speaker 1: like five thousand people there, and like, you never see
Speaker 1: five thousand people in the NBA game. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't care how bad you are. We
Speaker 1: have the best record in the league and it just
Speaker 1: starts to pick up. So it's just just a different
Speaker 1: We were at the Continental Airlines Arena, like right by
Speaker 1: met Life and some shopping mall now or something like that,
Speaker 1: and so but yeah, you don't. You just don't see
Speaker 1: like half full arenas anymore, right, So I think that's
Speaker 1: kind of started. But you know, kid was great to watch,
Speaker 1: and I think people liked watching us play because we
Speaker 1: were fast. That's what they liked about it.
Speaker 2: Richard Jefferson, man, he this is young Richard Jefferson too.
Speaker 1: He was a flyer. Like you said, yeah, pack.
Speaker 2: Ten guy, Arizona, right, he went Arizona, Dyeah, pack twelve. Now,
Speaker 2: how sad is that packed twelve?
Speaker 1: I don't pack once. Once you go to college and
Speaker 1: start and it's not just the institutions, the money, the players.
Speaker 1: It's like, it's not college anymore. It's pro. It's pro.
Speaker 1: It's pro. Kids are staying in high school for like
Speaker 1: six years and then going to prep school just so
Speaker 1: they can get some nil money when they get there,
Speaker 1: because like some eighteen year old kid is not getting
Speaker 1: in IL money. So it's it's way different now.
Speaker 2: But no Pac twelve rip. I'm West Coast kid. Loved it,
Speaker 2: loved watching. When I got out here, I'd put on
Speaker 2: fucking you know, the a PAC twelve game that started
Speaker 2: at ten eleven o'clock at night. Bill Walton's over here
Speaker 2: talking about fucking mushroom. I love Bill. I love Bill Walton.
Speaker 1: Watch He's great. All right, pe You got any Bill
Speaker 1: Walton Star? Yeah? Because Bill Bill was a friend because
Speaker 1: he would come and do all the games, right, so
Speaker 1: we get to know him. And then, uh, funny thing
Speaker 1: one time I was at All Star and we interviewed
Speaker 1: Bill Walton, right, So like this interview has been great.
Speaker 1: We're going back and forth. You say something, I say
Speaker 1: something with Billy. See, so Bill, how is man? My
Speaker 1: life is so great? That's the greatest life I've ever had.
Speaker 1: At this point in time, I couldn't live a greater
Speaker 1: life than this. And I think back to the days
Speaker 1: of John Wooden and his life. It was great and
Speaker 1: he made my life great. And he just went off
Speaker 1: for like twenty seven minutes. Yeah you're Bill Walton. Impression
Speaker 1: is bi and you're like, like, what was like playing
Speaker 1: in Boston? Boston is the greatest city to ever have
Speaker 1: a basketball team. And if I never ever thought I
Speaker 1: would ever finish the sheets, and I finished the sheets
Speaker 1: in two times and both those times I was blessed
Speaker 1: enough to win a championship, and one of them is
Speaker 1: right here in Boston. It's it's easy, like the easiest
Speaker 1: interview ever is and you have to interrupt him. You
Speaker 1: have to be like wait till he stops, and like Phil,
Speaker 1: tell me about this guy and he'll go on to
Speaker 1: the next He was great. He's like you know what
Speaker 1: you know what you do and you interview him and
Speaker 1: you go away and be like, man, I gotta be happier,
Speaker 1: Like I just got to be a happier dude. That's
Speaker 1: why I love to listen to him.
Speaker 2: Get bitch at work all day throwing pack twelve games.
Speaker 1: Missing bro, when is this white Mamba nickname come along.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. So I uh was in Chicago, right,
Speaker 1: and and the guy who does my job for the
Speaker 1: Celtics is Stacey King. And so what I did. Kobe
Speaker 1: had this commercial where he just like, there's this car
Speaker 1: going down the street and he jumps over a car.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he did or didn't, but that's
Speaker 1: what it looked like, right. So, and I loved his shoes,
Speaker 1: like I just all I hooped in is Kobe's right,
Speaker 1: I loved it them. Yeah, they're great, phenomenal. Right, So
Speaker 1: I came and made a pair, and they're like they
Speaker 1: got like a snake skin on him right now, everyone's
Speaker 1: where I think they're the Kobe six's. And so I
Speaker 1: made him their white white snake skin, a couple of laces.
Speaker 1: Red I was playing for the Bulls. I slapped him
Speaker 1: down on the on the card table in the plane.
Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of planes you guys flying,
Speaker 1: but we have card tables right where people face each
Speaker 1: other slap him down, like, man, he is the white Mamba.
Speaker 1: One point ohs right, that's all I said. And I
Speaker 1: take him and I go to the back. So that game,
Speaker 1: we fly to DC I have a good game and
Speaker 1: Stacey King just goes off like, oh, the White Mamba,
Speaker 1: the man, the myth, the legend, like this is the
Speaker 1: White Mamba. And by the time I got back to Chicago,
Speaker 1: like White Mambo was hysteria, Like there were T shirts,
Speaker 1: there were giant heads with like a snake body like
Speaker 1: you know, cause it was like a thing like put
Speaker 1: me in the game at the end of the game, right,
Speaker 1: And the only thing I really I don't regret a lot,
Speaker 1: but I do regret this. Like when I was here
Speaker 1: in Boston and the crowd would cheer for me to
Speaker 1: go in, I didn't like embrace it. I was always like,
Speaker 1: you know, like you guys should be cheering for Garnet
Speaker 1: and all this stuff, right, but I knew I was
Speaker 1: getting up there in age. So in Chicago, man, I
Speaker 1: really embraced it. Like I didn't care what the score was.
Speaker 1: I was going out there to get a bucket, right,
Speaker 1: I'm getting a bucket for the people. I'm shooting the
Speaker 1: bad shot I'm doing. I'm telling the best player, yo,
Speaker 1: clear out, Yo, set me a screen right here, like
Speaker 1: I'm going all in on this, and I'm like, you
Speaker 1: got to give the people what they want, right, So
Speaker 1: then Thibodeau will be walking up and down. He's always gruffy,
Speaker 1: and he would look back and I'm like that we
Speaker 1: up twenty let's go. Come on, man, you know these
Speaker 1: people ain't going They're gonna keepooing you until you put
Speaker 1: me in, right, Like, I'm all all in on air, right.
Speaker 1: That is something I would never do, never do before, right,
Speaker 1: But now I'm like, man, like you got it. This
Speaker 1: is like, you have to understand. The people want to
Speaker 1: see me at the end of game. They don't care
Speaker 1: about Derrick Rose at that point. This is what is
Speaker 1: about formation scall in exactly, exactly exactly. And then, like
Speaker 1: he looked at the score, I'm like, twenty two. If
Speaker 1: you didn't know how to do the map, it's easy.
Speaker 1: Now put me in it. Put me in.
Speaker 2: It's such an epic it's it's an epic nick name.
Speaker 2: I love using it too. Yeah, it's good, So good Jack,
Speaker 2: Let's get the game.
Speaker 3: Leading up to this game, we touched on it a
Speaker 3: little bit earlier, but the Nets swept the Stephan Marbury
Speaker 3: Nicks in the first round. The Pistons got by the
Speaker 3: Bucks four to one. Starberry shout out of Starberry, uh,
Speaker 3: and then they each they held court at home. Pistons
Speaker 3: won the first two in Detroit.
Speaker 1: But go to that eighty eight sixty half time that
Speaker 1: we have time score, that is we had. So you
Speaker 1: see how like we a lot of people like going
Speaker 1: into the games like, man, we can't beat this team,
Speaker 1: right because we had fifty six points and eighty points,
Speaker 1: but then we bounce back, right, So that's where we're
Speaker 1: at right now.
Speaker 9: Oh.
Speaker 3: I know it's a different era and it's pre the
Speaker 3: proliferation threes, but holding a team to fifty six points
Speaker 3: in an NBA game is just like I know, I'm
Speaker 3: I'm thinking nowadays.
Speaker 1: But if you watch the playoffs, right, and you watch
Speaker 1: when the refs allow physical play for everyone, it's fine.
Speaker 1: I don't I know that the players now are better.
Speaker 1: I'm not stupid, Like everybody knows they're better, and you
Speaker 1: talk about the escapes or whatever it is, right, but
Speaker 1: when you watch, if the refs call a physical game,
Speaker 1: the scores aren't going to be like this, right, but
Speaker 1: they're gonna be under one hundred points because physical play
Speaker 1: leads to like a grimy game. You don't you don't
Speaker 1: sprint up the floor. It's harder to get open, Like
Speaker 1: there's a lot that goes into it. And so back then,
Speaker 1: game was physical, so it's hard to score, and I
Speaker 1: think I like it. I I'd rather watch seventy eight
Speaker 1: eighty than watch one forty one thirty five. That's just
Speaker 1: me though, Like I'm waking up and down jacking up shots.
Speaker 1: That's fine, But I like I like watching physical play
Speaker 1: and everything being hard and tough and difficult. Just like
Speaker 1: when when you guys run to plan and you get
Speaker 1: five yards, that's a big play. It's like, man, we
Speaker 1: had to work hard for that five yards. We have
Speaker 1: to work hard for buckets. When we score fifty six
Speaker 1: points and lose seventy eight to fifty six, yeah they're
Speaker 1: both getting paid, and yeah you're going to get suros
Speaker 1: buggets here, no possession, buttons buckets.
Speaker 3: Should we get into this game a little bit here,
Speaker 3: let's go all right, So we start off. This thing
Speaker 3: was back and forth pretty much all game, especially in
Speaker 3: the first half again another one of these these halves.
Speaker 1: We were talking about forty four to forty three at
Speaker 1: the half, Uh, the nets are behind.
Speaker 3: Then we fast forward to the fourth quarner when the
Speaker 3: act really gets going.
Speaker 1: The eighties.
Speaker 3: Nets are up eighty seven eighty five or thirteen seconds left.
Speaker 3: Missed three out.
Speaker 1: Of four free throws.
Speaker 3: I know you got the big Richard Jefferson block right
Speaker 3: before that that kind of looks like it got iced it.
Speaker 3: And then Chauncey comes down and nails a forty three
Speaker 3: footer at the buzzer.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So going into up to this point, right, I
Speaker 1: played in the first half, right, and I got four points. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I like, by the way, that's my role, that's
Speaker 1: I was. I'm good with that. And I played really
Speaker 1: well against the net the knicks, and now like I
Speaker 1: made two buckets. So I'm like, look, I did my
Speaker 1: job right, and I if everyone is good and healthy,
Speaker 1: I'm not playing in the second half. That's just how
Speaker 1: it goes, right, And then you know, you keep going
Speaker 1: and the Chauncey Billups, we're about to ic the deal.
Speaker 1: All we gotta do is make one free throw in
Speaker 1: Chauncey billups a half court shot. Now we're going to overtime.
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm well aware of the fouls, just
Speaker 1: like you're well aware of the third downs, right, So
Speaker 1: I'm well aware of the fowls and I'm like all right,
Speaker 1: so i gotta stay locked in and I'm ready, but
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not scared. I'm like, I'm not scared
Speaker 1: of the moment and it's game five, and I'm not
Speaker 1: scared of the magnitude of it. And I'm not scared
Speaker 1: that the pisions are a beast like it's hard to
Speaker 1: score on them. I'm like, if this does now, I'm
Speaker 1: not rooting for Kenya Martin or Rodney Rogers or Aaron
Speaker 1: Williams to get in foul trouble at this point, I'm
Speaker 1: not rooting for them, but I'm ready if it does happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got it. That's what you have to have, that
Speaker 1: mindset for sure. And eight eight guys fouled out in
Speaker 1: this game. Physical, physical, physical. That is a scrappy matcheah.
Speaker 3: Oh big time. And this is just the end of regulation.
Speaker 3: We got three overtimes left, get to the third overtime.
Speaker 3: The big three at the corner forty one seconds left,
Speaker 3: scoal nails it to put the nail on the coffin.
Speaker 1: Mark, So let me, let me, let me free wind
Speaker 1: a little bit. Let me tell you so I think
Speaker 1: it was Rodney Rogers. This is the funniest shit, right,
Speaker 1: this is the funniest shit. Rodney Rogers fouls out right,
Speaker 1: and Lawrence Frank, who I love Lawrence, Right, he's on
Speaker 1: my ass, but I'm back like he was my assistant
Speaker 1: coach when I got to when I got drafted by
Speaker 1: the Nets. He was the one working with me and
Speaker 1: watching film together and riding me every day. Right now
Speaker 1: he's the head coach, right. So Lawrence Frank looks down
Speaker 1: the bench, right, and I'm like, Kenyon's out, Aaron. Rodney
Speaker 1: Rogers just fouled out. There's no one left, right, and
Speaker 1: I'm playing like really good ball, like I'm played well
Speaker 1: against the Knicks. I played. I'm two for two in
Speaker 1: this game, like there's no one else. He looks down
Speaker 1: at me and he goes he was pissed that. I
Speaker 1: was like, that's all I got is Scalabrini. So I
Speaker 1: was like, I was heated. I got fucking heated. At
Speaker 1: that point, I got up and I was like, when
Speaker 1: I talk about heated, I was because in my mind,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, so I played well against the Knicks. I'm
Speaker 1: two for two in this game. There's nobody else. And
Speaker 1: if you don't believe in me, now you ain't never
Speaker 1: gonna believe in me because I don't know if I
Speaker 1: could play any better than this. I'm being honest, like
Speaker 1: I was cut from the ninth grade in high school.
Speaker 1: Like I'm not sure that I can play any better
Speaker 1: than what I'm doing right now. So if you don't
Speaker 1: like me now, then you just don't like me. Right.
Speaker 1: So I got up. I was heated. So I go
Speaker 1: into the game, and this whole overtime performance, my sole
Speaker 1: focus was was fuck Lawrence Frank for not believing in me.
Speaker 1: So I am killing the pistons with corner threes and everything,
Speaker 1: and I gotta be honest with you. I went and watched.
Speaker 1: I didn't see none of them guys out there. I
Speaker 1: didn't see none of the defense out there. I'm knocking
Speaker 1: down threes, and every time I'm flexing, I'm looking and
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of my mind, like this motherfucker didn't believe
Speaker 1: in me. How are you not going to believe in me?
Speaker 1: So this performance was because my coach didn't believe in me.
Speaker 1: Freaking Lawrence Frank when I was playing. When I was playing,
Speaker 1: and it would be like, no, no, he knows about it.
Speaker 1: And that's my boy. He's my boy now and I
Speaker 1: told the story. He cracked up, right, but like like
Speaker 1: it'll be like you got your break. You caught like
Speaker 1: I don't know, uh, eight passes in a game, and
Speaker 1: then third and long came and they're just like, nah,
Speaker 1: you ain't going in the game. You're like, what the fuck?
Speaker 5: This is what I do, dude, this sign Adela.
Speaker 1: That was my career. You're my rookie year, my rookie year.
Speaker 2: I ball out in the playoff game Walker Tours ACL Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's right, and so I balled out. I had two
Speaker 2: touchdowns at like eight catches. We got our fucking teeth
Speaker 2: kicked in by the Ravens that year in the first round.
Speaker 2: All off season, I'm sitting there like like you're saying, oh,
Speaker 2: playing the best, I'm gonna be a fucking baller. I
Speaker 2: have so many more opportunities. I had seven catches for
Speaker 2: the next two years. I mean, I was so fucking pissed.
Speaker 2: Someone had to murder someone, a back injury and some
Speaker 2: broken groins for me to get my goddamn opportunity.
Speaker 1: But I never let it go. No, no, But that
Speaker 1: was like that you had to be thinking, like, dude,
Speaker 1: you had to do exactly any better than what I'm
Speaker 1: doing round now.
Speaker 2: But I know that I know that that coach hate fire.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's real, it's real, it's real. You look
Speaker 2: like I know exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, this this whole like everyone thinks it's
Speaker 1: the Pistons. And by the way, if it was the Pistons,
Speaker 1: maybe I would have bricked all those shots, right, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't. It was like it was like the fact
Speaker 1: that like I didn't think, I like I really in
Speaker 1: my mind said like, I don't know if I can
Speaker 1: pay any better than what I'm doing, Like I am
Speaker 1: shooting the ship out of the ball right now, right
Speaker 1: my release is fast. I don't know if I can
Speaker 1: play any better. And when he did that, it was
Speaker 1: like this crazy fire goose bumps, like you motherfucker right now,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I am this this, I'm gonna go off
Speaker 1: right now. What if what if he Jedi mind tricked
Speaker 1: you into that he might know I have to be said,
Speaker 1: I didn't even know I did it. You didn't even
Speaker 1: know that he was like owned it.
Speaker 4: See that.
Speaker 2: Come on, coach, you should have said I did that
Speaker 2: on purpose, because I know I've been working with you
Speaker 2: you played better fucking angry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well there's no doubt about that. There's no doubt
Speaker 1: about that. So when I knew, let me tell you,
Speaker 1: when like this was the in there, there was this
Speaker 1: fun moment, right, So, and you know, like when you
Speaker 1: play when things are fucking slow, it's you feel like
Speaker 1: your flash Gorge Superman or something like that. So, so
Speaker 1: Kid drove to the basket and it's weird because your mind,
Speaker 1: it thinks in normal speed. You don't actually think slow.
Speaker 1: Your mind thinks, but like the seconds take like five seconds.
Speaker 1: So Kid threw the ball at it like, and I
Speaker 1: had the ball. I was like ready to catch it.
Speaker 1: While the ball was in the air, I could see
Speaker 1: the seams right, and I looked up at the clock
Speaker 1: and I could see the clock switch from two and
Speaker 1: almost like it like you could see it switch to
Speaker 1: one like like that, and I and I go, damn,
Speaker 1: I got to shoot this quickly, Like I'm not going
Speaker 1: to have time to catch it, drop it and shoot it.
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna catch it high and shoot it.
Speaker 1: So I caught the ball in the air and I
Speaker 1: shot it. So I caught it and I shot it,
Speaker 1: and the ball rattled out and flew out. I walked back.
Speaker 1: I was running back and said, holy shit, I've never
Speaker 1: felt this before. I am fucking in the zone right now,
Speaker 1: and I think I made a three and then that happened,
Speaker 1: So like whatever happened to my mind? Like and I
Speaker 1: think like the studs, the Jordan's the studs, Like, I
Speaker 1: think that's how they live and that's why they do
Speaker 1: the things that are impossible, and it makes it look
Speaker 1: easy to them because I think like everything they do
Speaker 1: is in slow motion. Yeah. So I experienced that too,
Speaker 1: the heighten the highest level one time. Other times I've
Speaker 1: done some things, but that was like I could not
Speaker 1: believe way that way that that transpired. And that was
Speaker 1: when I just shut it off and just went off sky.
Speaker 2: I remember having that zone in basketball in high school once,
Speaker 2: did you. I swear to god, I just one of
Speaker 2: those days where anything you were shooting, everything was and
Speaker 2: I was on like the Frostshoft team, like shitty team
Speaker 2: JV team. But I remember just shooting and like you said,
Speaker 2: I saw the seams of the ball. Yeah, when it metated.
Speaker 2: I remember doing that a couple of times. That was
Speaker 2: that was the what about in football? Saying oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I've been on the zone. You because the spin, like
Speaker 2: for me, it looks like it's spinning, it's fast.
Speaker 1: You was it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you try and look at the star, you know,
Speaker 2: the very tip of the point of really you try
Speaker 2: to look at that.
Speaker 1: I felt that zone in.
Speaker 2: Super Bowl fifty three, where like I just felt everything.
Speaker 2: Any route I moved, I was bopping everyone. They were
Speaker 2: changing matchups on me. So I was, you know, routing
Speaker 2: up different guys ball like when you pluck the ball
Speaker 2: and it's just I've I've felt that a few times.
Speaker 2: That's like the most euphoria you could ever have, you know,
Speaker 2: when you're in that and you're just it's like like
Speaker 2: a superhero.
Speaker 1: You feel like you're in a superhero. Yeah. That's the best.
Speaker 1: It's the best. Now, Jack, let's get back in heck. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So to wrap this thing up, final score one twenty
Speaker 3: seven one twenty Scale dropped nine and ot RJ finished
Speaker 3: with thirty one h SCALE finished with seventeen, and we
Speaker 3: go back to Jersey up three to two, trying to
Speaker 3: close this thing out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it all went away. I'm sorry. I
Speaker 1: would tell you right now, like what happened is I
Speaker 1: made the scouting report, and I didn't see the hoop
Speaker 1: for the next two games, Like every time I caught
Speaker 1: the ball, it was like they were right there. So
Speaker 1: that's that was it. They didn't let that zone.
Speaker 9: No.
Speaker 1: I was like, I couldn't even see the hoop. I
Speaker 1: couldn't see the hoop. I was afterthought. And then I
Speaker 1: became like a featured guy and it was literally like
Speaker 1: I it and all I thought was people in my face.
Speaker 1: And by you know, four minutes to that, I was
Speaker 1: back to being on the bench man and they and
Speaker 1: they we had a we had a decent lead. We
Speaker 1: had a decent lead in that game, but they just
Speaker 1: chipped away there this game. In the last in game six,
Speaker 1: for like five minutes, no one scored, No one scored.
Speaker 1: It was is back and forth, miss mans, miss man.
Speaker 1: No one could score. And then Richard Hamilton drives left pump,
Speaker 1: fake pump, fake pivot, pump, ke pump, fake pivot, pump,
Speaker 1: fake shoots it over Jason kidd up by six. That
Speaker 1: was it. And then game seven we got smoked. Remember
Speaker 1: that was Rip. That's your boy.
Speaker 2: I saw a Rip at a concert recently. Yeah, well
Speaker 2: he went to Yukon. Yeah, so he's he's like a
Speaker 2: big Pats fan. I guess, oh yeah, And he would
Speaker 2: always say that him and Brady used to hang out
Speaker 2: here and there when they.
Speaker 1: Won the ship this year, got it and what was
Speaker 1: that concert? It was me it was some rap con
Speaker 1: I forget, but he was cool as funck. Yeah I
Speaker 1: played Chicago. Yeah, real lay back, real laid back man,
Speaker 1: and then go ahead. I'm just saying, like later on
Speaker 1: we end up with Boston and played them, and you
Speaker 1: know the ray Allen rip Hamilton both from Yukon battles,
Speaker 1: and both guys come off screens, and I mean ray
Speaker 1: Allen was just fried. Like his whole arms were just
Speaker 1: like rip, like just there's nails and scratches, and like
Speaker 1: those guys are just you, not only it's like it's different,
Speaker 1: like those guys got to run around screens. They got
Speaker 1: to chase each other around screens. But then when you
Speaker 1: do get an open shot, you gotta knock that. You
Speaker 1: gotta knock it down. Yeah, that's that's a hard thing
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like the field goal. It reminds me
Speaker 2: of a last shot situation we call it in football. Okay,
Speaker 2: It's it's where you have the ball before half, and
Speaker 2: you're trying to suck down as much time as you
Speaker 2: can off the clock so you can get that ten
Speaker 2: point swing.
Speaker 1: You kick the field goal.
Speaker 2: You know, we'd always say, you know, great job of
Speaker 2: executing taking off the time, but it all doesn't mean
Speaker 2: anything unless you make the kick.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, Yeah, I got it. It's like that, like the shot.
Speaker 1: You do all the work for the shot. Gotta make
Speaker 1: the shot. Yeah, I got to hit it.
Speaker 3: Maybe you gotta get around all those screens, got to
Speaker 3: get to your spot, gotta knock you down.
Speaker 1: But was up Jason kidding his knee edge? I know, man,
Speaker 1: I remember that man, he had the microfracture. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: you put the holes in the marrow bleeds through and
Speaker 1: you create a new cartilage. Right. It's like like he
Speaker 1: he ended up like having a long career. I played
Speaker 1: twenty some years, right, But you should see He'll tell
Speaker 1: you like he does his his preparation auhor for the
Speaker 1: thing that we were talking about earlier, just about I
Speaker 1: got to get in every day and do my preparation
Speaker 1: to play, you know, and he does. As you get older,
Speaker 1: you spend a lot more time just like preparing yourself
Speaker 1: to just to play like twenty minutes. You know, you
Speaker 1: gotta work so much harder when you get older. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're smarter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's what I They've tried to
Speaker 2: give me a micro surgery. That's why I retired because
Speaker 2: I was thirty four years old. I saw the whole
Speaker 2: medial side of my knee wore out. Yeah, and so
Speaker 2: I tore the root of my meniscus and that's what
Speaker 2: holds the meniscus down. So they were like, this was
Speaker 2: before my last season. They're like, we can go in
Speaker 2: and we can give you microfracture surgery. It's a twelve
Speaker 2: month recovery, or you can try to play a pain.
Speaker 2: I tried to play the pain and then after that
Speaker 2: I had to hang it up.
Speaker 1: Here's bad. Yeah, with it hard for you at first?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, it was definitely hard because you're
Speaker 2: so accustomed to the routine, the life. I mean, we've
Speaker 2: had the same life since we were eight years old,
Speaker 2: where you go to school, you come home, you go
Speaker 2: to practice, you eat dinner, you do it again. Now
Speaker 2: the school's replaced with football school where you're installing, and
Speaker 2: it's that kind of but I've had that same life
Speaker 2: so of course, you get I was hurt, but I
Speaker 2: was also emotionally and physically exhausted for that year where
Speaker 2: I couldn't even walk until the Friday the next week,
Speaker 2: you know, and then I had to get up to
Speaker 2: play Sunday, and then you know, the anxiety and of
Speaker 2: having the standard that you've put out on the field
Speaker 2: for you know, five seven years at that point when
Speaker 2: I was in my you know, my prime to like,
Speaker 2: you don't even look like the same guy on the film,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So I was like so
Speaker 2: beat up mentally and my ego was hurt, and the
Speaker 2: pain there was actual pain, where like as soon as
Speaker 2: I retired, I was like it was like something got
Speaker 2: lifted off of me.
Speaker 1: You know. I was content. We won three Super Bowls,
Speaker 1: I had a Super Bowl MVP.
Speaker 2: I exceeded everything I ever thought I could do, you know,
Speaker 2: So I was I was.
Speaker 1: I was cool with that and content with that. But
Speaker 1: I like hated the.
Speaker 2: Game for like the first year out, you know, just
Speaker 2: because I felt like shit, Yeah, like it eats you
Speaker 2: up and it spits you out, like you know what
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: You felt worse than you felt playing, Yeah, holy shit.
Speaker 2: You know, and then it wasn't until I started feeling good. Yeah,
Speaker 2: my body start and that's when I started missing the game.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was like a year and a half, two
Speaker 1: years later.
Speaker 2: Yeah, then you're like, you go up on the field
Speaker 2: and kicking the ball around my daughter.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I still got run. Yeah yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: I man, I do miss that ship, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? But it was it was crazy. Do you
Speaker 1: miss it now? I had like mine was different, Like
Speaker 1: I I wasn't good enough, right, Like I wasn't probably
Speaker 1: good in the last four years I played by somehow
Speaker 1: I got a job, right, But but then I had
Speaker 1: some opportunities to go play overseas and then you know,
Speaker 1: I'm very opportunistic like in life, right, So, and I
Speaker 1: just do things, you guys, aiden sets this up, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do it, like I don't know, this could turn
Speaker 1: into something and it's gonna be great if I can.
Speaker 1: I just chop it up with you, like I don't know.
Speaker 1: This is how life is for me, right. So, Tommy
Speaker 1: Heinsen was getting up there in age when he was
Speaker 1: doing the Celtic games, and I know he wasn't traveling.
Speaker 1: So I'm talking like the day I lost to the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia seventy six ers. Derek Roseters his ACL We were
Speaker 1: set to play the Celtics in the second round of
Speaker 1: the playoffs, like we were a one seed, they were
Speaker 1: a four or five. They we won, we were supposed
Speaker 1: to play. I had all my boys lined up, like, Yo,
Speaker 1: we're going to hang out. This is what we're gonna do.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come into town.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I got the game, but it is what it is, right,
Speaker 1: And so we lost. So I was like, man, I
Speaker 1: still want to hang out with my boys. So I
Speaker 1: called NBC and said, I want to work the series.
Speaker 1: I know your team and I know the seventy six ers.
Speaker 1: So I had the TV gig that was available, and
Speaker 1: so I started doing that. I liked it. I was
Speaker 1: pretty good at it, you know, just I kept it real.
Speaker 1: It's basketball or whatever, right, And so I had that opportunity.
Speaker 1: I could have went overseas, and then my wife was
Speaker 1: pregnant with at that time would be my son, third kid,
Speaker 1: and she just basically told me I'm not going overseas. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, well, I got this job. I like,
Speaker 1: but I but I'd rather keep playing because of my ego.
Speaker 1: It's all it was all ego. It wasn't it wasn't logical,
Speaker 1: it wasn't like it was just all like, nah, man,
Speaker 1: I'm a hooper. This is what I do. But the
Speaker 1: smartest decision I've ever made, like this, this thing is
Speaker 1: I could last for forty years, right, And I'm glad.
Speaker 1: I like like it. And I went around just playing
Speaker 1: hoop everywhere. So I was hurt at first that I
Speaker 1: had to stop, and I was like angry I had
Speaker 1: to stop, But then I know the hoop was good.
Speaker 1: And then I'll tell you what happened. The second year,
Speaker 1: I take a job with the Golden State Warriors, and
Speaker 1: I started playing pick up with them. And on Monday,
Speaker 1: you play, those guys play four days Monday to Thursday,
Speaker 1: and they take the weekends off and they come back Monday.
Speaker 1: I was nice, like, I held my own. I was
Speaker 1: hanging with Steph Curry and David Lee and Draymond Green.
Speaker 1: I was holding my own. But then Thursday rolls around.
Speaker 1: I can't move and those guys are getting better, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, whoa man? Like I can't I literally cannot
Speaker 1: move my feet at all. And so that was when
Speaker 1: I was like really content, content with the whole thing,
Speaker 1: like I'm not even good enough to play. Before that
Speaker 1: I thought I was, but playing against those guys, I
Speaker 1: was like really knowing, like I'm not good enough. I
Speaker 1: can't do it, Like it's just even if I wanted to,
Speaker 1: it would be too hard. And then you got that
Speaker 1: there's that place that you were just talking about the
Speaker 1: amount of work it takes just to be fucking average,
Speaker 1: like of course just to free, just to fucking suck.
Speaker 1: It was like I'd have to dedicate eight hours a
Speaker 1: day just to be a twelfth man on a team.
Speaker 1: Like it's not worth it, Like do something else. That's
Speaker 1: exactly how it was for me, Jackie, wrap it up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the Pistons go on to beat the Lakers
Speaker 3: in the NBA Finals. Scal spins his next season with
Speaker 3: the Nets, then comes over to the Celtics selties yes right,
Speaker 3: and wins an NBA title.
Speaker 1: Fuck yeah, yeah, I went on a stretch there in college.
Speaker 1: I lost to Duke, then we went to the finals,
Speaker 1: lost to the Lakers. Then we went to the finals again,
Speaker 1: lost to the Spurs. Then we played the Pistons they
Speaker 1: won the championship. Then I think the following year, who
Speaker 1: wonted I guess it would be the Spurs at that point.
Speaker 1: So I like lost to like four straight champions, right,
Speaker 1: But that team was a really good team, a little
Speaker 1: really underrated group, and they were they deserved it. I
Speaker 1: don't care what anybody says about anything, like that team
Speaker 1: was really good. Rashie Wallace made a big difference, and
Speaker 1: I was I was happy I got a chance to
Speaker 1: even be in something like that. That's it's crazy, the
Speaker 1: only one one. The Spurs were good though, that's like
Speaker 1: the Duncan Era and they just went back and forth, right,
Speaker 1: and then like I'm not saying, I'm not saying I'm
Speaker 1: not a conspiracy theorist, but I felt like they were
Speaker 1: better than Lebron's team and somehow, like I felt like
Speaker 1: Lebron got every call in that in a series against them,
Speaker 1: and then Lebron ended up going to the finals and
Speaker 1: they got smoked by the Spurs. But I thought, I
Speaker 1: thought a Piston Spurs. It's like one of those things
Speaker 1: where for whatever reason, Piston Spurs had no ratings. But
Speaker 1: I thought it was the greatest finals. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: like it was like everything was hard. Everything inbounding the
Speaker 1: ball was hard, like so so I just loved that series,
Speaker 1: but it just didn't look like like people just did
Speaker 1: weren't for whatever reason, they just didn't like it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the freaking the Spurs kind of like the Patriots
Speaker 2: coming out on top pop Baby.
Speaker 1: They figure it out, they figure it out. What what was?
Speaker 1: How many? I thought they've been to eleven Super Bowls
Speaker 1: like the Tom Brady era since that era to now
Speaker 1: they were they went, we went to he went to ten.
Speaker 1: He's been to Tampa. That's one with Tampa Bay or
Speaker 1: ten with the Patriots.
Speaker 3: So three oh four or one lost three eleven? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: eleven all time for the Patriots.
Speaker 1: That is hard to do.
Speaker 2: Man, it was like one every It was like one
Speaker 2: every It was like he was going into a super
Speaker 2: Bowl like every third year.
Speaker 1: Second is two and a half years.
Speaker 8: There's some crazy stat that his winning percentage in the
Speaker 8: AFC Championship games.
Speaker 5: Is higher than or was higher than his completion.
Speaker 8: He was more likely to have a past be incomplete
Speaker 8: than he was to miss an AFC Championships.
Speaker 1: Unreal, that's crazy, unreal. Then you go to the Celts,
Speaker 1: you get a you got a ship though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the boys that was sick, especially with the Big
Speaker 2: Three that was such a net man.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know how it is, but he
Speaker 1: walks in the room. It's different, man, Like everywhere he
Speaker 1: the locker room, the weight room, the practice, he doesn't.
Speaker 1: You don't fuck around.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: He's now. He's a great off the court, great guy,
Speaker 1: great guy, cared about everything, cared about the twelfth Man.
Speaker 1: He cared about my daughter who was four, like he
Speaker 1: cared about everybody's family. It was real, not like, hey,
Speaker 1: what's up, how's your family?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 1: It was like legit right, But he was all business,
Speaker 1: all business when he was playing basketball at the facility,
Speaker 1: and that stuff is just like margins in the professional
Speaker 1: sports are so small. Garnet walks in and everyone's one
Speaker 1: percent better that month, and they improved one percent every
Speaker 1: month for a season. Because of Garnett, we're a whole
Speaker 1: lot better at the end of the season, you know,
Speaker 1: or or a drill is one percent better. It's just
Speaker 1: it's consistency and how much he changes everything. But I've
Speaker 1: been around good players teammates. Pierce's great kid is amazing.
Speaker 1: Derek Rose, nothing was like Kevin Garnett. Yeah, like the
Speaker 1: big brother. More than it's bigger than that, like a
Speaker 1: big brother, father, uncle, all that in one. I'm very
Speaker 1: impressive being around him for the three years. Very impressive
Speaker 1: human being.
Speaker 2: I've never got to kick it with him. Me and
Speaker 2: Paul got we've hung out a few.
Speaker 5: I mean I got well documented.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's well documented.
Speaker 2: Arrested slide came to a fucking start skinning hood hood
Speaker 2: slide anymore for Paul Pierce citizens We we go to
Speaker 2: this bar, We go to this place, and there's cops everywhere,
Speaker 2: and we start talking. I did like a hood slide.
Speaker 2: Some guy gets out of his car. We thought we
Speaker 2: got to.
Speaker 1: Await the dude in the car. You a hood slide,
Speaker 1: nice car, It was a bens. Oh my gosh. What
Speaker 1: would you do if some much hood slide? Did you?
Speaker 1: It depends on the hoodslide.
Speaker 5: Well, if they pulled it off, you would have been cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah you didn't a little humid in there that had
Speaker 2: a gene.
Speaker 1: It's stuck.
Speaker 5: You had.
Speaker 1: Hood slides don't go together.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you had your moment. You didn't.
Speaker 1: Capital didn't. This is goodness, Jack. We got any leftovers? No,
Speaker 1: I just uh, that was amazing. Uh.
Speaker 3: The only one I think scal better Celebration eight or
Speaker 3: twenty four twenty four better celebration.
Speaker 1: Wow, everything is bigger now. I feel everything is the
Speaker 1: only thing I would say is in O eight, I
Speaker 1: don't remember one cell phone. All you see it cell phone.
Speaker 1: Everybody's just like everyone lives life like peeking through their
Speaker 1: cell phone. You know, I'm not living the moment, buddy,
Speaker 1: I know. But so besides that. But no, and by
Speaker 1: the way, like you know, you've celebrated multiple Super Bowls,
Speaker 1: you got it takes experience, you got to know, like
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like I regretted the way
Speaker 1: I celebrated in a way. I wish I would have
Speaker 1: partied all night with the fans. You know that's just me.
Speaker 1: So No, it's a twenty four was and they did
Speaker 1: a great job. And like I said, everything is bigger now.
Speaker 1: I think it was too million people that showed up,
Speaker 1: crazy and younger, Like I don't remember that many young
Speaker 1: people out when I was maybe because I'm older. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're out, they are out. They're out. Baby. Let's name
Speaker 1: the game. We'll be right back after this quick break.
Speaker 1: So this is Scalabrini game. This is everyone referred as
Speaker 1: the Scalabrini game. So it's the Scalabrini game, not the
Speaker 1: white mom at the time. Okay, yeah, let's go. Everybody
Speaker 1: would say, you remember the Brian Scalabrini game, and they'd
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, he went off on the pistons.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and then that's the game. Let's score the game.
Speaker 2: Is this the greatest game of all time? Let's score it.
Speaker 2: The stakes of this game? Game five in a seven
Speaker 2: game series, seven game series, but it was this first round,
Speaker 2: so stas one to ten decimals.
Speaker 1: Okay, given the fact that both teams were the best
Speaker 1: teams in the East, right, even though Indiana had the
Speaker 1: best record in the East, I would say, it's like
Speaker 1: an eight, that's a good score.
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, I'll go with I'll go with the seven
Speaker 2: point eight game five.
Speaker 3: Nothing on the line line yet I was in that
Speaker 3: same territory seven point one. But but he's a ball
Speaker 3: he's a ball guy. So what we got we matched
Speaker 3: seven point I did some point two.
Speaker 2: But you know, this is such a swing game for
Speaker 2: those those seven games series, so there's a little more important, Yeah.
Speaker 1: A little bit more, but it is a semie. But
Speaker 1: it's just the magnitude of those two teams. You know,
Speaker 1: the fact that they spanked us and we spanked them,
Speaker 1: and you know, like that game on the road, Oh man,
Speaker 1: you should have seem like Kid Rock was there talking
Speaker 1: ship to me. I was like running and down like
Speaker 1: I think Eminem was there. You know, Detroit Detroit real
Speaker 1: like grimy Doll the fans. So it was it wasn't.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like what you see in the NBA. Now.
Speaker 1: It was like there's dudes, you know, I think they
Speaker 1: had to be pimps and four coats and glass of
Speaker 1: piggy rings on what you doing? You know, like there
Speaker 1: were some real characters, real, yo, Detroit is real. Detroit
Speaker 1: is some real dogs.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 5: We had Robert Oriy on the show. He said Eminem
Speaker 5: was talking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they go they go at you. But what they
Speaker 1: don't understand is like that makes me like when I
Speaker 1: was a rookie, Like I told you that game I
Speaker 1: was in was I was spinning right, he was my
Speaker 1: first game, not my preseason No, it was a preseason game.
Speaker 1: I was spinning. It was going so fast and Latrell
Speaker 1: Spreewell started talking ship to me, and I was like, cool,
Speaker 1: I'm good now, if you're gonna take the time and
Speaker 1: talk ship to me. I belong you know before that,
Speaker 1: and he would have been like, nice shot. I would
Speaker 1: have been like the fact that he was going to
Speaker 1: take the time out of his day to talk shit
Speaker 1: to me. I mean, he's like, all right, I've been
Speaker 1: here before. I've been the white boy in the gym,
Speaker 1: if the only white boy before. I'm good with that role.
Speaker 1: I'm not good with the role I was just in
Speaker 1: when I don't believe I belonged out there. But I'm
Speaker 1: good Now. You got it.
Speaker 2: You gotta hey it's a white guy in sport. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: you got you gotta be you gotta be able to
Speaker 2: handle it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Star power. We just talked about.
Speaker 2: Eminem This could be from team to Ambiyon's who was
Speaker 2: at the game star zero to ten.
Speaker 1: Six, Yeah, I mean, but it's a like you get
Speaker 1: like even like just the basketball players. I think probably
Speaker 1: Kid is the top thirty. So yeah, it's not loaded
Speaker 1: with not loaded with Mount rushmorees, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: That's a great that's a very honorable score. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go with I was gonna go seven to four.
Speaker 1: Who's the stars? I mean, I grew I love I
Speaker 1: love that Detroit Pistons team. But they were a group.
Speaker 2: They were, but like that's still that that that team
Speaker 2: was just tough y oh yeah, and then they're a group.
Speaker 5: I like, man, I usually rack, what.
Speaker 1: Were you guys? Who are the stars? Kid Williams, I got,
Speaker 1: I got a funny ass Corliss Williamson story. So like
Speaker 1: he year one, like man, he destroyed me, destroyed me.
Speaker 1: That was my matchup right again in the game, and
Speaker 1: he was destroying me. It was the different words. He
Speaker 1: is destroying me and uh and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I don't I can't even stop this guy. And I
Speaker 1: fouled him and he scored on me. I fouled him again.
Speaker 1: He's scored on me, and like I just subbed out.
Speaker 1: Like the coaches like the fuck was that right? Just
Speaker 1: your job is to stop the backup and they would
Speaker 1: just go at me right that whole year, my strength
Speaker 1: coach was like Corliss Williamson is in the weight room
Speaker 1: work and I had a picture Corlius Williamson and every
Speaker 1: day I worked it was Corlus Williams and he was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how to stop. I started studying film.
Speaker 1: I learned how to work, like I learned how to prepare,
Speaker 1: so I started watching everything he did and people who
Speaker 1: did well against him. It was all setting the tone
Speaker 1: to to be like, this is what a pro does,
Speaker 1: not just for him, but for everybody. Next year, We're
Speaker 1: at the Meadowlands, which no one at the game. We're
Speaker 1: playing the Pistons. It's a preseason game. There's like it's
Speaker 1: quiet as hell. He gets the ball, I'm in the post.
Speaker 1: He bumps me. I hit the ball out of bounds
Speaker 1: and he and I stopped him. I'm like, yeah, motherfucker. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And everyone looks at me, like what's wrong? But that
Speaker 1: was my demon right there. Yeah. But I like, I've
Speaker 1: gone against dudes before and maybe they get me, but like,
Speaker 1: this was embarrassing the way he got me. And I
Speaker 1: was in my mind like like, people don't understand how
Speaker 1: much that meaningless possession meant to me. When I just
Speaker 1: like stopped him, you know, it was like the biggest moment.
Speaker 1: And I was like thirty pounds heavier and stronger and
Speaker 1: everything like that, and I was like, this is like
Speaker 1: the biggest moment of my life. Preseason game. Put your
Speaker 1: mind here, you got it those demons maybe so I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know about you guys in the star power.
Speaker 1: But that's fine. Yeah, I was wild on this one.
Speaker 5: I had an eight point three Jack at eight point seven.
Speaker 1: All right, what's the gameplay? Zero to ten? Gameplay of
Speaker 1: the flow of the game back and forth? You guys
Speaker 1: went three overtime in their lives, like because because this
Speaker 1: was two defensive teams that don't score and we go
Speaker 1: one twenty seven to win to twenty. I thought the
Speaker 1: flow of this game was amazing. So I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: like eight and a half, eight and a half all night. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was shot making, tough defense, everything you would want.
Speaker 1: I'm going eight you guys, triple o t buzzer beater.
Speaker 1: It was. It was incredible because it wasn't that bullshit defense.
Speaker 1: It was legit.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Now you got to score the name of the game,
Speaker 2: the Scalabrini ten.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna go with the nine to one one.
Speaker 1: I'll take a nine one.
Speaker 3: I think I was wild here before I knew what
Speaker 3: we were calling.
Speaker 1: Lord to be a guy like me from where I
Speaker 1: came from, to have a fucking game named after him,
Speaker 1: I know, I know I was wrong. Starts this before
Speaker 1: we did.
Speaker 5: The Jack four, I had a five point five. I
Speaker 5: stand by my five point five.
Speaker 1: I don't even know the.
Speaker 10: Likely it is to have a game named after you
Speaker 10: when you're coming, when you're me.
Speaker 1: It's like it'd be like a street named after one
Speaker 1: of you. Motherfuckers.
Speaker 10: Man, I'm gonna be like, yo, you know what, I'm
Speaker 10: gonna give that ship a three.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Tyler street breaking.
Speaker 7: I'm just saying, like, oh, Lebron came Tad, Come on, man.
Speaker 1: And I'm usually a glazer. Oh I'm sorry, I should be.
Speaker 10: Everyone else change Come on, Jack, I mean you understand
Speaker 10: of something like that happening, like you've.
Speaker 1: Got a better chance being struck by lightning. I didn't
Speaker 1: think of the nickname. I'm sorry. I screwed up.
Speaker 8: Okay, but this is cultural and this is gaze with
Speaker 8: you're up against.
Speaker 1: When you guys fucking watch you actually thought you can
Speaker 1: do it because you saw me do it. You don't
Speaker 1: think that when you watch Lebron, you don't think you
Speaker 1: see me. And I give hope to fucking millions of kids,
Speaker 1: show them where it stands on.
Speaker 5: So you're an eight point one two?
Speaker 1: Now that Jack eight point one two? Where does that
Speaker 1: stack up in all the games we've done?
Speaker 11: It is right beat right above kuld Bee versus mcgreor
Speaker 11: McGregor u f C twenty nine one, right below the
Speaker 11: two thousand and seven Western Conference Playoffs Game six Mas
Speaker 11: versus Warriors, and just below two thousand eleven NBA Finals
Speaker 11: Game six Mavericks versus Heat.
Speaker 5: So it's a good company where you're right here. Okay,
Speaker 5: eight point one two.
Speaker 1: Final MAVs Heat. That was a nasty ass game. That
Speaker 1: was really good. Wow, that was real star power too.
Speaker 1: Then you have super Bowl, you have could the could
Speaker 1: be fight and Greg McGregor kuld bev McGregor that where
Speaker 1: he broke his leg. No, that's when McGregor lost.
Speaker 2: To remember that was with like the crazy like pre
Speaker 2: fight ship where they broke the bus and window.
Speaker 1: Okay, finals, first Piston Championship. All right, that's good. That's
Speaker 1: a good score, very good score. That's good, very good school.
Speaker 1: And what do they call me? If anyone have a name?
Speaker 1: The butler? Oh that actually? Super Bowl? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, a lot of these don't really have names,
Speaker 3: which is these are we have?
Speaker 8: We do two different types of names. This is the
Speaker 8: government names, which is like the two thousand and four
Speaker 8: ALCS game for you.
Speaker 1: But then the quotes is some of the names. But
Speaker 1: what is the millennial?
Speaker 8: Millennium waved the heaviest wave of all time in two thousand.
Speaker 5: He needs some crazy storm. He's riding like a seventy
Speaker 5: foot wave. It's just like.
Speaker 1: Crazy crazy you and like you run from people. But
Speaker 1: can you imagine fucking up and dying?
Speaker 2: Like no, I can't either that That wave, like the
Speaker 2: coral is like five ft under you, So if you
Speaker 2: get hit by the wave, you're dead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just can't imagine. Like when you watch all
Speaker 1: that stuff, you just put it in perspective, Like, dude,
Speaker 1: if I messed up, I just get benched. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: maybe I lose my job. Maybe, But we're talking death death.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. They're missing something. Wow, scout, we missed anything?
Speaker 1: Ye one thing. One thing. I'll tell you. There's the
Speaker 1: funniest shit with Rasheh Wallace. So I get checked in
Speaker 1: the game in the first half. And this is like
Speaker 1: to give you an example of forra Shehe Wallace and
Speaker 1: how good he is. He gets the ball in the
Speaker 1: post and I'm right behind him in the post. He
Speaker 1: takes the ball. He looked and he sees me guarding him.
Speaker 1: He looks at the bench. He yells at the coach,
Speaker 1: y'all put this motherfucker on me. And then he and
Speaker 1: then he and I'm thinking to myself like, man, fuck
Speaker 1: this dude, right and he goes wow wow, and he
Speaker 1: goes into the fade away. I jumped as high as
Speaker 1: I could to contest it. I thought I was gonna
Speaker 1: block it. He just puts right over me. Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I felt I felt tiny at that point, like insignificant.
Speaker 1: But I got a bucket in the first half, which
Speaker 1: I think help me carry over to the second half.
Speaker 1: But like when he said that to the bench, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, it was so bad. Come on, you never
Speaker 1: went to the sideline, looked at the defensive coordinator be
Speaker 1: like this, motherfuck, I have no way. Y'all got it
Speaker 1: before I run this route, y'all gotta change your matchup.
Speaker 1: I just look. I would just say to this you
Speaker 1: got no shot. He's just like, nah, you're just not equipped.
Speaker 2: Especially I'm gonna go there. I remember when they would
Speaker 2: put Jimmy Leonard or there was another safety of white safety.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I can't put a white guy. That's fucking racist.
Speaker 1: No, Like no, like when I when I got when
Speaker 1: I got out and people wanted to challenge me one
Speaker 1: on one. I'm like, yo, man, if you're white, you
Speaker 1: ain't beating me, dude. But if if you if you're
Speaker 1: not a pro, if you're not a pro and you're white,
Speaker 1: you one hundred percent ain't beating me. If you're a brother,
Speaker 1: you might beat me. I doubt you'll beat me, but
Speaker 1: you have a chance. Oh my gosh, it's true. Man, Like, listen,
Speaker 1: it is what it is. I know, I know it
Speaker 1: sounds weird coming from two white guys, but that's.
Speaker 5: How we think.
Speaker 1: That's how we think. I mean, I guess Dominique told
Speaker 1: me this story one time about Larry Bird. And there's
Speaker 1: this guy named John Contact. Right, So Larry Bird got
Speaker 1: the ball and he really wanted Dominique to guard him.
Speaker 1: So I guess, I guess this is the story. I
Speaker 1: haven't seen it, but this is the story. So Larry
Speaker 1: got the ball against John Contact and he's like, look
Speaker 1: through the coach. He's like, you went with him on
Speaker 1: this matchup, And I guess Larry Bird just dropped the
Speaker 1: ball and said, man, I don't even want this shit.
Speaker 1: But the rumor is he just dropped it like that's
Speaker 1: a waste of my time and he just ran back
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I guess John Contact was
Speaker 1: shook by it.
Speaker 2: Man, basketball man, the guys, Larry bro Larry Legend, fucking
Speaker 2: Larry the Legend.
Speaker 1: I love I getting wormholes watching him. He's a beast.
Speaker 2: Just his shit talking or the stories about him when
Speaker 2: he just played one whole half left handed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's like the injury thing. And by the way,
Speaker 1: a lot of times and why the white guys aren't
Speaker 1: that goods. Their bodies just can't keep up. You know
Speaker 1: that surely is. But he was nasty, but like talking
Speaker 1: about it's just living at that that life. Man, it's
Speaker 1: hard man every day. But but you get I'll put
Speaker 1: his three seasons. You could. I don't care who you
Speaker 1: want to put against Jordan. You want to bring Lebron,
Speaker 1: And I'll take Larry Bird's triple MVPs against any three
Speaker 1: seasons out there, any three seasons, because the dude was
Speaker 1: thirty ten and eight back in the day when it
Speaker 1: was hard to get thirty ten and eight. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know the game that well to throw that out there.
Speaker 1: He has three MVP The one guy that's coming closest
Speaker 1: to Kolea Jokic like Loki, you know, like low key.
Speaker 1: He's kind of like just keeps dominating the NBA.
Speaker 2: But he doesn't even like he didn't even look like
Speaker 2: he likes basketball. He just goes out here just to
Speaker 2: play it. I like it though, Yeah, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? You like yeah, scot.
Speaker 1: You want to plug anything? Plug anything? You got anything?
Speaker 1: What are you working? Yeah? You guys, just follow me
Speaker 1: on Instagram at White Mamba. You see a lot of
Speaker 1: me coaching little kids and like just kind of helping
Speaker 1: kids and paying it forward. That's my thing now. Like
Speaker 1: I was super blessed to be have great coaches growing up,
Speaker 1: and I know I don't make it if it's not
Speaker 1: for those great people. And now I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: help other kids out. So if you guys follow the kids,
Speaker 1: you know you see them or just come out and
Speaker 1: you know, if you ever see us out and about
Speaker 1: come say what's up? That's what's up? Man. We appreciate
Speaker 1: you coming on. This was fun.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: It was awesome for going two hours. But I I
Speaker 1: really appreciate you having me on. And I just always
Speaker 1: like to like chop it up with other people and
Speaker 1: my different walks.
Speaker 2: So you know we we we shared this cool town together. Sure,
Speaker 2: and that that's such a cool you know, get to
Speaker 2: hear your perspective of your stories and you know, to
Speaker 2: have that common ground where we played for this city
Speaker 2: which is such a magical cool city. This is a
Speaker 2: really cool city. Every time I come back, you know,
Speaker 2: like I live in La right now, but when you
Speaker 2: come back, it.
Speaker 1: Feels like home. Oh yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8: That's that was our best scoring section ever? Was that
Speaker 8: was our best scoring segment ever?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: If people just like ten ten ten or like lo lo.
Speaker 2: Bit like you had, you had a real integrity type
Speaker 2: score Matthew Slater type score, Matthew Slater style score.
Speaker 1: I needed to be called out and I'm glad Scout
Speaker 1: was the guy to do it.
Speaker 5: Man, Old Scal was the assignment.
Speaker 3: From the second he walked in. Scal brought the energy,
Speaker 3: he brought the heat. That was incredible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm interested to see I want to go check
Speaker 2: out his AAU basketball team.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, me too. I want to see Scal
Speaker 3: the coach. I want to see Scal the bronck. Scott
Speaker 3: can do it all, man, he.
Speaker 1: Really is just a lovable guy.
Speaker 5: I just want to see you one on one on him.
Speaker 1: He's six ' ten. I think I could take him.
Speaker 1: I think you got that quickness, brother, you'd be able
Speaker 1: to cut me off. Man.
Speaker 2: That was fun. That was a really good episode. It
Speaker 2: was cool to go over and uh so much crossover.
Speaker 2: And I haven't really got to sit down with Scowl
Speaker 2: and talk. That was like our first time really talking.
Speaker 2: Like we we see each I've seen him at a
Speaker 2: Celtics game. We'll dap each other up and everything, but
Speaker 2: I've never got to like really sit and talk to him.
Speaker 2: He's a He's an engaging guy, really good.
Speaker 8: Storyteller, too awesome storyte And finally we get a guest
Speaker 8: that like jumps in with scoring, good scoring.
Speaker 5: He really was a man.
Speaker 2: You know, time it is boysline glean, time to hit
Speaker 2: the old hot line. Let's see it again, guys. That
Speaker 2: number is four two four two nine one two two
Speaker 2: nine zero bang our line.
Speaker 1: Julian Edelman.
Speaker 4: John down here in Oklahoma, high school teacher and soccer coach,
Speaker 4: soccer coach blowing the greens for the summer time because
Speaker 4: wait till time.
Speaker 1: The truest iron man of.
Speaker 12: The NFL just got done listening to a podcast where
Speaker 12: you're talking about the.
Speaker 4: PDR and who do who do interview?
Speaker 1: You need to interview JB. Mooney. It's n A U
Speaker 1: N e Y, the truest iron man of the TDR.
Speaker 4: His story is amazing. I love you guys. Thanks someone that's.
Speaker 1: Bull riding right right. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The people love falling in and they want us to
Speaker 3: be some bull riding guys.
Speaker 2: I would love to go see these jokers and I
Speaker 2: want to talk you got Yeah, that'd be fun to
Speaker 2: interview one of those fucking crazy dudes.
Speaker 1: I'm down.
Speaker 8: Bro Lard was like competing against water, these guys compete
Speaker 8: against bulls.
Speaker 3: Wow, let me get down there. Let me be the
Speaker 3: rodeo climb for the day. Come on, now, let's do it.
Speaker 3: Mutt and busting dude, Mutton busting.
Speaker 2: Scott Eastwood once. I don't know if he invited me
Speaker 2: or told me he was going to the PBR in
Speaker 2: l A.
Speaker 1: But I was like, what the fuck's PVR.
Speaker 3: He's like, dude's pro writing bull or pro bullriting. Yeah,
Speaker 3: pro bul right, they got nationwide.
Speaker 1: It's it's a big thing. See.
Speaker 3: I want to go to Texas. I want to steal
Speaker 3: some Texas valor. I want to wear the I want
Speaker 3: to wear the hat. I want the belt buckle, you
Speaker 3: tay guy dole shoe us, the ropes.
Speaker 1: I want to do it up. I want to do
Speaker 1: it right. I wanted the whole shebanga bang. Let's do it. Hell, yes,
Speaker 1: let's do it. JB Money, all right.
Speaker 8: JB Mooney, we gotta we gotta start fishing for him online.
Speaker 5: We'll follow him on social all right, fans help us out.
Speaker 12: All right, hey, Jules stand from Rhode Island.
Speaker 1: Now that you've.
Speaker 12: Gotten uh spurge Ernie and some of the support staff
Speaker 12: on trying to break into the training room and get
Speaker 12: jimbo Whalen.
Speaker 2: Allen, Jim Whalen or Joe Van Allen bro deep cut. Wow,
Speaker 2: they have, I mean, they got some stories. I don't
Speaker 2: think they would open up bybe She's scared, dude.
Speaker 1: This is a real deal, Pats.
Speaker 5: This sounds like an inside job.
Speaker 1: Inside job by someone in there. But that makes sense.
Speaker 2: I think inside Jim lives in Rhode Island, and I'm
Speaker 2: pretty sure I think Joda's.
Speaker 1: Too interesting interesting because.
Speaker 2: I used to go to one of I used to
Speaker 2: go to Joe Joe's little son's hockey games.
Speaker 5: What a guy won socket.
Speaker 3: Support, but hockey rink a lot of a lot of
Speaker 3: What kind of guy were you in the training room?
Speaker 1: What kind of guy was I in them? Now? What
Speaker 1: year are we talking?
Speaker 3: We're talking prime. We're talking prime. Uh like winning? You
Speaker 3: already got one super Bowl into your belt, Like, heyday baby.
Speaker 2: Probably pretty needy, Probably pretty needy. Hey, those guys are
Speaker 2: the best. They put up with me, and they a
Speaker 2: lot of the times they the trainers act like psychologists.
Speaker 2: I could see you know what I mean, You're on
Speaker 2: the table and you're you're beat up. You know, the
Speaker 2: medical staff and the training staff that we had, you know,
Speaker 2: like you're bitching to them. They're just taking it. They're
Speaker 2: listening to everything. I mean, they're they're great dudes. I
Speaker 2: was probably very needy though, I feel that.
Speaker 5: Sorry, guys, takes a village baby, all last one here.
Speaker 4: Hey, this is Carrie from Virginia. You guys, hands down
Speaker 4: have the best sports podcast. You're the ones that deserve
Speaker 4: a nine figure deal. Somebody ought to give that to you.
Speaker 9: But a name a game that I'd love for you
Speaker 9: to do thank you is the Onto Cincinnati game where
Speaker 9: the Chiefs whooped up on the Patriots on September twenty ninth,
Speaker 9: twenty fourteen. Because I believe the backlash from that game
Speaker 9: spurred on the Second Dynasty. I would love to have
Speaker 9: maybe Alex Smith cover that game.
Speaker 4: I think that'd be a really interesting game to cover.
Speaker 4: Thanks Bett.
Speaker 1: What's her name, Carrie, Carrie from Virginia.
Speaker 2: That's it'd be a fun game to go over. Really
Speaker 2: ripple effects of that game, seriously, And it'd be cool
Speaker 2: to have Alex Smith to come on here and I
Speaker 2: got a couple of bones to pick with him.
Speaker 1: I heard a couple of his takes on NFL Prime coming.
Speaker 3: On here and plug his UFO Sandals. He said, their
Speaker 3: life changing UFO. You know those giants. He's promoting those
Speaker 3: big vix sandals. I haven't seen him, maybe I do
Speaker 3: have recoveries.
Speaker 1: And he said they changed his life. That's interesting. He's
Speaker 1: a stud man.
Speaker 2: I will give it to Alex Smith the you know,
Speaker 2: not just his injury thing that he went through, but
Speaker 2: the second career he had after I grew up in
Speaker 2: the Niners, when they drafted him number one overall, we
Speaker 2: thought he was a bust. I thought he was a joke,
Speaker 2: you know, and then turned it around and started playing
Speaker 2: pretty good and then he you know, got got paid
Speaker 2: and did well in Kansas City. Was he was a
Speaker 2: good good quarterback, you know he from what he started.
Speaker 2: I mean they also had nothing in San Francisco. They
Speaker 2: just it was bad. I forgot about that era.
Speaker 1: That era was bad. It was post Jeff Garcia. I think,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, and.
Speaker 2: They were you're still kind of we weren't like good
Speaker 2: then the Niners, but we were like competitive enough to
Speaker 2: get to like the wild card. Maybe we lose the
Speaker 2: Green Bay all the time in the fucking divisional round.
Speaker 1: That was like, was that like Brandon Lloyd was there.
Speaker 3: B Lloyd was probably with Alex Smith, right, I thought,
Speaker 3: I thought that was kind of his only guy.
Speaker 2: I went to the game where b Lloyd had that
Speaker 2: crazy catch. I think it was a preseason game.
Speaker 1: I think of that catch probably like once a month.
Speaker 1: We went backhand on there.
Speaker 3: It's insane. It pops up on my Instagram. I share
Speaker 3: it with you every time.
Speaker 2: I still remember a story about bu Lloyd. He got
Speaker 2: this sick Porsche delivered to the stadium nice like insane.
Speaker 2: It was like one of those specialty Porsches. It had
Speaker 2: a big wing on the back like it's like a
Speaker 2: race Porsche and I go, man, things sick.
Speaker 1: He goes, Nah, this shit sucks. I go, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about?
Speaker 2: He goes that Finn looks terrible, Like I'm like, what
Speaker 2: are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm I sent it back. They're gonna take
Speaker 1: the goddamn fin off.
Speaker 5: It sounds like me after an episode, Oh my.
Speaker 1: God, Brandon Lloyd a high standard, high standing top gear.
Speaker 2: Brandon, I don't understand why you ordered that one then,
Speaker 2: like I gotta get the story on it.
Speaker 1: I loved b Lloyd. He was fun.
Speaker 3: I like the idea of like it's like you order
Speaker 3: something from Amazon's like, it doesn't really fit.
Speaker 1: I hate this, like I'll take you by us. It sucks.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it was that, but yeah, I
Speaker 2: remember he's like, I hate the fit, Like what it's
Speaker 2: a Porsche race Porsche.
Speaker 1: Brandon. What a beast bro he was. I learned a
Speaker 1: lot from him.
Speaker 8: I love to ask Alex Smith about Urban Meyer in Utah.
Speaker 13: Oh yeah, cut old Urban before he got those headaches,
Speaker 13: Old Urban before he was hanging out with the co
Speaker 13: ed's up in Ohio, stayed at the bar.
Speaker 1: Old Urban is that Columbus I hear.
Speaker 3: I believe so old Urban said, you guys go home,
Speaker 3: back to Jacksonville, hang around for a day or two.
Speaker 1: O business to it didn't too man.
Speaker 3: I'm just I've never heard a coach not go back
Speaker 3: with the team, you can say, except Bill Parcells after
Speaker 3: the super Bowl.
Speaker 1: But he was already out the door. Yeah, but he was.
Speaker 1: He took the Patriots shop right wild though? Was it
Speaker 1: the Patriots? He took the Jets Jets shop because he
Speaker 1: lost the Super Bowl with the Pats. And one more
Speaker 1: thing on carry here nine figured deals pretty sweet.
Speaker 5: Pretty sweet?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 5: You know, Jeff Bezos give me text.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Jeff.
Speaker 2: I did go to a party one so I saw
Speaker 2: him there.
Speaker 1: Really rich. He just looks rich. I was gonna say, no,
Speaker 1: he's buff to super villain swag.
Speaker 5: The Amazon football, that whole crew.
Speaker 1: Huh does he really think so?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chris said, cet ct says he's really cool.
Speaker 1: Hangs out with freaking fitz Patrick. Man.
Speaker 8: Damn usually go fishing for like stars on the billionaires.
Speaker 1: That'd be tight, dude.
Speaker 5: Sponsors.
Speaker 1: We already had one. We had cubes, cubes, we had
Speaker 1: a couple, and then we have another one. Uh, Ernie's
Speaker 1: probably a billionaire. We just secret he probably is.
Speaker 3: I bet bro, he's got the stock tips man, he
Speaker 3: cracked it. He definitely did we.
Speaker 1: Know Trav though. Trav let us hold a couple of that. Bro,
Speaker 1: You got us in for a couple. You got the
Speaker 1: Edelman bump.
Speaker 3: After Jewels came on and told the the hot up story,
Speaker 3: Bro Man, that was awesome.
Speaker 2: That was a fun experience, you know. And then to
Speaker 2: top it off with a Boston legend like Scalabrini Gal
Speaker 2: And that's been.
Speaker 1: Another episode of Games with Names.
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