WEBVTT - The Scalabrine Game with Brian Scalabrine | 2004 Eastern Conf. Semifinals: Game 5 Nets vs. Pistons 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.640 One thing. I'll tell you the funniest with Rashid Wallace. 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:04.400 I get checked in the game in the first half. 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:05.920 He gets the ball in the post and I'm right 0:00:05.960 --> 0:00:08.239 behind him in the post. He takes the ball. He 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:11.160 looked and he sees me guarding him, yells at the coach, 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:15.640 y'all put this mother on me. Come on, you never 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:18.840 went to the sideline, looked at the defensive coordinator, be 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:20.400 like this mother freak guard me. 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:23.000 I'm gonna go there. I remember when they would put 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:25.560 Jimmy Leonard or there was another. 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:28.120 Safety of white safety. I'm like, I can't put a 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:28.920 white guy. 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:33.640 Welcome to games with names, I'm Julian Edelman, There, Jack 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:35.000 and Kyler, and we are on. 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:39.320 A mission to find the greatest game of all freaking time. 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:45.280 And on today's episode, we are covering Scalabrini game, Game 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:49.640 five of the two thousand and four Eastern Conference Semifinals 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:56.080 with NBA vet Boston legend the White Mamba himself, Brian Scalabrini. 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:59.720 We get into talking how he became the White Mamba 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:00.760 in Chicago. 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:03.480 I really embraced it, like I didn't care what the 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:05.520 score was. I was going out there to get a bucket, right, 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:08.040 I'm getting a bucket for the people. Plane pick up 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:11.600 with Cooper flag first possession. He goes to the right, 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:14.080 he pump fakes, he throws it up off the back, 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:17.880 and he dunks it right. The gym was silent. 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:22.880 And a wild Larry Bird story at the very very end. 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:25.559 I guess Dominique told me the story one time about 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:28.320 Larry Bird and Bird got the ball and he really 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:31.520 wanted Dominique to guard him. So I guess, I guess 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:33.200 this is the story. I haven't seen it, but this 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:33.759 is the story. 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:37.000 And then we wrap it up by hitting the old hotline. 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:41.679 You gotta stick around to the end. Let's go Games 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:44.560 with Names is a production of iHeartRadio. 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:47.600 May fourteenth, two thousand and four. 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:52.800 The Palace at Auburn Hills, Auburn Hills, Michigan. 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:55.760 The Jersey Boys versus the Bad Boys would need a 0:01:55.760 --> 0:02:00.280 lot more than regulation to settle this one, but the 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:06.840 red hot White Mamba would show up big. This is 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:21.240 this galapriyah. I feel like the NBA is turned into 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:23.919 right now, and I know like football has a different structure, 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:27.799 but the NBA is basically like you better have fuck 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:30.840 you money, like fuck you money, and you're you're gonna 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:33.119 spend it and knock get it back and then maybe 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:36.200 like in ten years a team will gain value. But 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:39.480 in the meantime, you're gonna pay fucking tax tax. You're 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:40.040 not gonna make. 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:43.080 Any Wait, so you're talking about investing into an NBA team, Yeah, 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:43.360 like you. 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:45.920 Make money like like when you buy it and then 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:48.200 when you sell it. Yeah, and then you just there's 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:52.000 probably a lot of overheaded like if you're good, yeah, 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:54.160 I don't know how football works, but like in the NBA, 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:56.320 if you're good, you pay the most and you might 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:58.800 lose the most. But if you suck, you get a 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:00.600 fact check at the end of the year. How is 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:03.480 that fucking possible. I don't know. I don't know the 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:06.320 NBA rules at all. See, it's all based off of taxes. 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:09.160 Like the better you are, the more salary, The more salary, 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:11.400 the more tax like and then you win and you 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:15.079 sign everybody back. The tax was one now it's two. Yeah, 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:17.560 just like that, and it's like, really they don't want 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:19.959 like the same teams to be good for five years. 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:24.800 That's why it's interesting. Like the Patriots, how they fucking 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:28.760 stayed on top. It's impossible because first of all, your 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:31.280 schedule gets harder, and then like if you're really good, 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:33.800 guys go to other places to get paid. So like 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:36.720 how you like, it's really there's a couple of reasons. 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:41.600 There's a guy named Tom Tom, but that's hard to do. Like, 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:44.800 it's very hard to do. Yeah, let's get it go. 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:47.680 Welcome to Games with Names. 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:52.040 We have a very special guest and we are talking 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:55.840 over the two thousand and four Eastern Conference Semifinals game 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:59.160 five Nets versus the Pistons. 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:01.640 With Brian Scalabrining. Welcome to the studio, man. I love 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:05.480 the concept and the studio is nice. Man. As soon 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:07.920 as you guys reached out and I said, oh man, like, 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:10.560 when you think about pro sports, a lot of people 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:13.600 remember games, but there's so many backstories to every game, 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:17.000 to how something unfolds or you know, maybe a locker 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:19.279 room fight that happened right before and then next you 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:20.840 know you're going out and playing a game and now 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:22.880 you're kind of unfolding all that. I just I love 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:25.719 the concept and I appreciate the Inbo, well, we appreciate you coming. 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:29.640 You know, playing in Boston for twelve years, I always 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:33.960 saw this big ass white dude at every anything to 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:36.320 do with something Boston, I see you there, Oh yeah, 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:39.400 so you have. You're such a legend here and it's 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:42.080 an honor to have you in the studio. And we 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:45.080 start our with our guests. The first question we always 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:48.240 give them, can you sum up why you picked this 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:50.080 game in one sentence. 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:52.159 I mean, it was a nasty game that I actually 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:55.000 played well in. That's it. That's it. That's it. 0:04:56.080 --> 0:05:01.880 Triple overtime corner three when it mattered most. 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:05.520 Yeah, And I just thought, like there's so much that 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:08.880 went into this game and from the you know, like 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:12.520 the like the Pistons, we were the team and we 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:15.400 crushed them. But that year they traded for Rashid Wallace 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:17.840 and he's a difference maker. I don't care what anybody says. 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:20.359 Like Rashid Wallace, Like when he's on the floor, you 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:22.800 know where he's at. He's on the floor offensively, defensively, 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:24.479 you just know where he's at at all times. So 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:27.480 they have them. Now we're matching up. We're getting a 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:31.000 little bit older, like Kid is dealing with the knee injury, 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:33.600 so like it like really even the playing field out 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:38.119 and the series obviously at this point going into game five, 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:40.800 like they whooped our ass in one and two, and 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:42.640 then we whooped their ass in three and four. So 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:45.599 like at this point the games haven't really been like 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:49.760 epic or close, but but in you know everything kind 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:52.040 of sometimes in the NBA it's a field out series 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:55.159 and five is that determining swing game. And that's exactly 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:57.560 what this was. Wow. Now, is this the greatest game 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:00.800 of all time? No, it's not the greatest. It's my 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:04.960 greatest game of all time. Given the magnitude, given the magnitude, 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:08.159 and like where I was, where I grew up, where 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:10.640 I came from, where, and the opportunity to play in 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:13.280 a game like this, it's my greatest game of all time. 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:16.720 I've had more points in meaningless games. You know, when 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:18.400 we win by this, I get in there and I 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:21.719 get going, but nothing where like the stakes were this 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:24.840 high and the tension and I don't know about you, 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.440 but like, like I live for that shit, man. I 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:30.880 just like when it's thing that you can't replicate, I 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:33.400 wish I was a better player because I can experience 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:36.240 that more. But like the heightened sense of awareness of 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:38.680 the playoffs, the details going into that, like all that 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:42.200 stuff like, I just thrive in that environment. You watch, like, 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:44.719 I know, you guys prepare once a week. That's very 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:47.600 similar to the way we prepare for the playoffs, right, 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:50.479 But in the regular season, it's, you know, ten clips, 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:53.159 move on, ten clips, let's go watch five let's watch 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:55.480 five clips of what we did, and ten clips of 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:57.560 what we need to do. But in the playoffs, it's 0:06:57.640 --> 0:06:59.920 deep dive every day. You know, like you get your book. 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:02.280 You guys get your book, and we go through every 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:05.480 play every option. And so it's just like that felt real, 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:07.560 and that felt like very meaningful. 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:13.000 Hell yeah, I mean, playoff anything when it's do or die, 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:17.720 it's just it just brings the stakes up and and 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:20.760 you when I get into prepare mode for those kind 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:25.520 of situations, I always am the guy who's like, I 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:27.440 don't want to come up with the I wish I 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:28.760 would was at the end of this game. 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:29.120 Yep. 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:32.200 So I always prepared more. I always caught fifty to 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:34.720 one hundred more balls than I'm supposed to. Or you know, 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:37.560 you go do an extra you know, prehab lift, or 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:39.920 you do an extra lift of the week, you eat 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:42.440 a little better, You just all these little things because 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:44.000 you don't want to be at the couch the next 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:45.360 week watching the goddamn series. 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:48.280 Yeah game, you know what I mean. Yeah, And then 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:51.320 sometimes there's is there like you're you're probably it seems 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:52.920 like you're a do I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:55.000 do more, I'm gonna do this. Was there ever a 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:57.880 point where it became like, man, I'm freaking doing too much. 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:00.440 I need to Yeah, that's how I retired. That's my body. 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:06.760 My body broke down when you're like, man, fifty catches, Man, 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:08.520 I got to like I go back and ice stuff, 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:08.960 you know what. 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:13.080 That's that's honestly, probably one of the reasons why my 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:14.960 body broke down the way it did is because I 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:18.080 would I never stopped training during the whole year, you know. 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:20.600 And it is because I had an insecurity of like 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:23.040 I didn't want people to catch me. Yeah, yeah, you know, 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:25.880 and so you don't let your body rest, You're gonna 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:26.320 break down. 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:28.320 That's kind of what happened, you know. We call that 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:31.080 uh in the league. It's like for me, I lived 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:33.360 I had like for me to for this to happen 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:36.600 and for me to consistently play well, it's like living 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:39.439 on Mount Everest, like if you stumble on mount ever, 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:42.560 you die. Like a lot of people have so much 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:45.560 freaking talent that they can stumble in the planes and 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:47.440 just get up and dust themselves off and move on 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:50.000 to the next day. But for me to be operating 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:52.360 at that level, like just you know, like whatever my 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:54.120 gifts are and where I came from or whatever it 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:56.960 may be, Like I'm living on a mountaintop right there, right, 0:08:57.000 --> 0:09:00.559 and like every step is important, every every detail was important. 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:03.520 Like if I had two beers and I'm screwed the 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:05.960 next day, right, Like I gotta be on point. And 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:08.240 you know, sometimes you lose a game and you're emotional, 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:10.400 You're just like, man, screw that, give me the stake 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:12.839 and give me two beers. I I'm just gonna you know, 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:15.000 I'm gonna like take my mind off of what I 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:17.120 just did. Well, I'm gonna pay the price later, right, 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:20.080 So it's really hard, Like it was really hard for me, 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:22.360 And I played eleven years. I was really fortunate and 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:25.160 all that. But for me to be playing, well, I'm 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:27.640 living on Mount Everest. Hell, yeah, you got to. So 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:29.160 what are you up to these days? You do a 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:29.720 bunch of TV. 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:32.600 You have fun with the parade talking, I mean the championship, 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:34.200 you're pretty much part of the team. 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:36.760 Yeah, you know, I always like, yeah, well I love 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:39.240 the journey. You know. The only thing is what's crazy 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:41.720 is I always think it's really difficult to win a championship, 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:44.400 right we're talking Celtics. Didn't I didn't slate the team. Yeah, 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:47.960 So twenty twenty four NBA champ Boston Celtics. Uh, you know, 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.880 like every championship run typically is really difficult, like I 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:53.400 don't know, like a moment here, a moment there, like 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:56.280 a play here, whatever, even like like us in eight, 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:58.680 like we went to Game seven with Atlanta, they were 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:00.439 an a C. We were a one seat Like everything's 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:03.600 a ruling battle. Man. This Celtic team was so freaking good, 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:05.880 like they almost I mean Perzinc has played a little bit, 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:09.439 but they almost like coasted to a championship without one 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:12.240 of their better players. It's amazing, right, that's how good 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:14.720 they were. And you know it's gonna be hard, like 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:19.880 the league and the NBA catches upright, like the gap 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:22.040 that you make. When the Golden State Warriors did what 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:24.680 they did, they jumped out to a massive lead, but 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:27.120 then the NBA catches up quickly. So I think a 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:29.160 lot of teams are gunning for them this year, but 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:32.360 before that, it's just in general, like they were so 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:35.360 far ahead of everybody else that I don't think anybody 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:37.439 could have touched them. Yeah, no, it was. 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:41.360 It was almost surreal to watch, Like it didn't even 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:42.559 seem really competitive. 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:44.400 No, not at all. That's what I thought. I know, 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:46.880 they would tell you something different. Well, yeah, they're in 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:50.880 the they're in the heat of it. Yeah. Like seeing that, 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:54.080 I was like, man, are they that they're that good? Yeah, 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:58.679 they're just smoking fools. Like it wasn't even close. It's 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:00.800 supposed to be. It's not suppose to look like that. 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:03.520 I think this year will be more of a reflection 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:06.959 of what true professional sports are. Like, you know, you'll 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:09.480 get when you get good, you get pulled different directions 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:11.360 and you're trying to stay and you're trying to stay 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:13.160 the course, and the playoffs come and you're going to 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:16.720 be tested and people are working with you like you 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:19.320 got a bullgeye on your chest all summer long. So 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:22.559 I do think that gap will close a little bit, 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:25.080 and you know, like and the glaring thing for the 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:28.560 Seas going next year is Al Horford, porzingis like those guys. 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:31.560 Porzingis has to stay healthy. Alhovd's getting up there in age, 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:35.040 but Al was awesome last year. He's ageless. No, I know, well, 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.880 you've been around a guy like that too. It's truly amazing. 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:41.160 It's fucking crazy because when I when I was when 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:43.559 I was on my vacation when I was suspended in 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:49.120 twenty eighteen, I actually went to the Celtics facility because 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:52.280 I was still rehabbing my knee, my aco and so 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:55.160 when I was away from the team, I would go 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:59.000 into the Celtics facility every day. And the guy that 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:04.080 was like the most professional, like businessman, look like a pro, 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:06.640 Al Horford, Oh my god, you know, just when it 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:09.840 came to like being a professional athlete, getting there early, 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:12.520 getting his shit in his treatment, because you know, I was, 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:14.600 I was hanging around the boys and they were letting 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:16.960 me rehab there and stuff, and it was fucking cool 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:20.760 to see. But he was just consummate professional, just a pro. 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:23.960 And that's why he's having such a lengthy career. 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:24.240 You know. 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:27.800 He eliminates distraction, He does everything for his game, and 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:29.280 it's awesome to see him get one. 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:31.240 Yeah, and I always say, like I try to tell 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:35.960 people like, obviously Al Horford's gifted, you can't get to that. 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:40.199 He's so good and he's really smart. But like being 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:44.120 a pro like that is just doing all the simple 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:47.000 stuff every single day. It's not like they have some 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:50.400 magical drill that they use or this this trainer that 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:53.560 they have or this, hey dude, this workout. Like every 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:57.280 time you go down in the hotel, he's down there stretching, working, 0:12:57.480 --> 0:12:59.720 he does this prehab before the game. He's like, he 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:02.640 does all the stuff every single day and he doesn't 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:05.400 miss a day. And so I asked him, I go, well, 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:07.120 what are you gonna do next year? Like you could 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:08.480 tell a man a lot to him, He's like, no, 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:11.000 I feel good, Like I'm just gonna trust my work 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:14.480 and trust my preparation, and I'm gonna be consistent with it. Right, everybody, 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:16.560 all these young kids, they want some special thing, but 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:19.160 it's just being consistent with what you're doing. You know, 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:21.720 my dad would always say life's hard, but it's simple. 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:23.840 We don't know what we have to do. It's just 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:24.599 hard to always do it. 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:27.160 Yeah, you know, having a guy like Al Horford is 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:29.959 not just good for you know his performance and how 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:32.200 he is, but it's as an example for the younger 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:34.040 guys to watch in the locker room. 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:34.480 For sure. 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:37.160 You know, I'm pretty I'm pretty excited to see what 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:40.120 they do this year because you know, like Scout said, 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:45.360 I mean these leagues everyone when you're America's most wanted, now, yeah, 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:48.280 that's where they're at. They're they're they're the measuring stick. 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:52.520 You're circled every night. That's eighty eighty six games, eighty 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:56.480 two eighty two every night, every night you're the champ. 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:59.440 It's hard, it's hard to stay on the top. 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:02.160 And we go to arenas. So you have to tell me, 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:06.240 like when you hit the road, did the Patriot fans travel? Like, yeah, 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:07.320 we would travel. 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:10.280 But it's it's different and certain like if we were 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:12.839 playing a team we didn't play a lot of If 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:14.720 you go to the NFC West, we go to the Niners, 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:17.400 we go you know, San Diego, we would show up. 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:18.880 A bunch of fans, yep. 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:23.000 But when you're playing in Division like Jets Buffalo Miami, Yeah, 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:25.920 Miami would have a lot of fans, but the Jets 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:28.320 in Buffalo, it's pretty much yeah. 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:31.360 But we I always think like when we go on 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:34.520 the road and let's say it's fifty to fifty. Let's 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:37.520 just say for our argument's sake, I think that gives 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:40.840 juice to the other team, Like you're in their building 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:44.400 and they people are paying to cheer for the team 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:47.760 that you're going against. Like athletes in our mind, we're 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:51.280 all sick. Oh, and we create like narratives to like, 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:54.720 oh man, I'm going at them because you know they're there. 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:57.800 This is disrespectful to me, right, So I think it 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:00.480 like when you get everyone's best shot when we travel 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:03.240 and the Celtic fans or let's go Celtics, Like I 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:05.680 can see like a little perk up from the other team. Yeah, now, 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:06.720 we're not gonna let this happen. 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:07.080 You know. 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:10.000 In my like when we would go on the road, 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:13.240 I would always see the crowd, and like you said, 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:14.960 it just brought me into that when you said you 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:17.640 we have to manifest, like you have to make your 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:20.840 own motivation. Sometimes I loved being the villain. I loved 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:25.480 going into MetLife Stadium and fucking running down that field 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:29.480 trying to fire and they're all pooling. Like I embraced that. 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:31.400 Oh yeah, you know it got you up. 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:32.640 Oh yeah, Oh yeah. 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:34.760 So it's crazy with the little things you have to 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:36.240 do in your head to get it going. 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:37.280 Like if you're on the other. 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:39.240 Team and you see fifty percent of the crowd is 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:41.400 not your crowd at your home stadium, you're getting pistol 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:44.520 putting that in there area? Yeah, how did you enjoy 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:46.080 enjoy these Olympics? 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:46.560 You know? 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:48.200 I watched this a little bit of it, Like I 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:50.720 wasn't I think people really did dive in. I watched 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:53.440 all the basketball, you know what, it was crazy. I 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:56.520 gotta admit I don't I've never seen I was so 0:15:56.720 --> 0:16:02.080 shocked by it's gonna sound crazy. Doubles badminton, Yeah, what 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:05.360 the hell? They would hit the thing like sixty seventy times, 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:08.800 Like I was like, what what? What is his action? 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:12.240 How come this is not always on? So somehow I 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:15.520 got like sucked into doubles badminton, and I was like, 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:19.120 these people are nasty at what they do, right, And 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:21.120 then I won't watch badminton for four more years. 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:25.680 Yeah no, and everyone watching badminton thinks they can go 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:26.480 out and play. 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:29.640 With these jokers. Oh hell no, it's in the backyard. 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:34.120 My offensive coordinator at my juco, I went to junior college. 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:37.680 He was like he was the badminton coach or fucking 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:39.960 he was like a pro or something. I said, I'll 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.400 fucking go play you. I went and play this guy 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:43.320 for five hours. 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:45.840 Didn't beat him once. I was like, I'm not going 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:51.400 until I beat you. Shuttlecock was flying. Shuttle Cock was fine. 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:52.680 And wait, scal. 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:55.400 Speaking of the Olympics, do you think we're gonna get 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:58.600 a fired up JB and JT this year after the snubs? 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:03.000 Yeah, I'm in disrespect. I don't know them like that, right, 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:06.400 I don't know him, like, are they like, are they 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:12.359 highly motivated to destroy you know, the Warriors. I don't 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:15.720 really know him like that because I just know this 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:18.920 is what I do. When Jason Tatum does get like that, 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:22.080 he's tough like like that, no one could stop him. 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:25.439 But I don't know how that works, Like is that 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:28.479 motivating him to be like that every night? I have 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:31.880 no idea. Is it motivating him to be the fact 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:36.119 that everyone's jumping on the Anthony Edwards bandwagon when he's Yeah, like, 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:40.600 like Tatum deserves accolades and you know, he made sacrifices 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:44.080 last year to move the ball and now he didn't 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:47.399 get the proper respect for winning a championship. So I 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:51.480 don't know, but I'm curious to watch. I'm hoping so yeah, 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:54.640 I'm hoping so as a Green teamer over here for sure. See, 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:58.040 I don't know how many more rap albums I can 0:17:58.080 --> 0:17:58.520 go through. 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:01.719 Yo, that song with a it goes hard, dude. We 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:04.160 love Jalen Brown. They just do it on. 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:06.640 Your peats coming out. Hey, when you win the ship, 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:09.840 you can do that. Yeah, yeah you can. Now now 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:13.200 you're you're an o G big three guy. I am. Yeah. 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:16.480 I watched, and they're going to the Olympics next or 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:19.399 they're going in an Olympics twenty twenty five or twenty one. 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:21.240 It was in this year too, this year, but yeah, 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:23.400 or three on three? Well, how come they didn't let 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:26.359 the phoebe three guys in? Right? All right? So you 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:29.800 have to so foba. It's interesting in a sense. They 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:33.600 want the three on three to be like a cohesive unit. 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:36.679 They don't like, you know how Team usay, you know 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:40.639 that other guys qualify and then Team USA comes in 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:43.200 and goes to the Olympics, right, And you can qualify 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:45.240 by winning the World Cup and there's other things you 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:47.840 can do. But in the three on three, you've got 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:50.040 to like do a process. So you have to in 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:52.440 the middle of a basketball season, you have to take 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:55.879 three guys and go and play in a tournament. Now, 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:58.720 guys can't leave their jobs in the middle, So it's 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:02.480 not actually situ weighted the way that like the five 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:05.760 on five is. So what happened like the thing that happened, 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:08.680 which was bogus because it's just whole. It feels a 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:11.000 little bit like how college used to be. You know. 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:13.080 Now these kids be making money and it's not the 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:16.080 same way. But Foeba said that those guys could not 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:18.480 come over and play the three on three. Those guys 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:20.960 could have made one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. So 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:23.920 these guys are not like high level five on five 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:26.960 pros that are making a million, ten million, whatever they're making. 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:28.879 These guys are like grinding out on the three on 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:32.440 three grind and so ice Cube offers them to come 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:34.719 and play art three on three All Stars, and they 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:36.919 could have made some money. I mean, it's four guys 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:38.520 one hundred you know, it's like what at thirty five 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:40.760 grand a pop, you know, so those guys could have 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:42.760 made some money and Foeba just shut it down, Yes, 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:46.000 And I like that's like I just first of all, 0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:48.760 if you're a pro athlete, you should and these guys 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:50.919 aren't making big money. You should have the right to 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:53.080 make as much money as you possibly can. If people 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:56.080 want to watch it, then let's make some money doing it. 0:19:56.119 --> 0:19:58.679 And I thought that was low down by Foeba not 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:01.280 allowing that group to come in and play the Big Three. 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:03.800 By the way, the rules are really different. It would 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:05.679 have been good, like it's a it's a way of 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:08.840 bringing people together and it's the institution. I thought, like, 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:12.840 you know, keeping people apart. Yeah, bringing ice Cube down? Amen? Brother, 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:14.600 would you just try and get the league bigger? Come on, 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:17.320 Manjube will get on this on this podcast and he'll 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:19.080 go off on that on the feedba, I wouldn't hear it. 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:21.840 You got any Cube stories? Well, I just got the 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:24.040 Cube stories from all the Big Three stuff, right, But 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:26.160 I don't go to the parties afterwards, which I wish 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:29.679 I would, but I don't know. No. But you know, 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:32.439 like ice Cube, the one thing I will say, like 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:35.600 he's the founder of the league, but he it's not 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:38.439 like he's just dropping money and doing other things. Yeah, 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:41.760 like he's designing uniforms, he's picking making rules. He's like 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:45.720 on every conference call, he's on me, like, so I 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:49.680 do everything there, I do a sideline reporting analyst, work 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:52.760 play by play right, and if I mess up, he's 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:55.359 on me like right away, text message right. So, like 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:57.880 he's all over it and this is his baby, right. 0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:01.160 He still wraps, he still goes on tour, still does movies, 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:03.639 but like this is like I created this thing and 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:05.640 he's doing a really good job of building this thing up. 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:07.840 I mean I don't have that I had. 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:11.240 I made a Patriots hat, a Boston Patriots hat that 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:13.960 I always resembled off of his Oakland Raiders hat that 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:14.359 he used to. 0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:18.320 Wear back in the day. Like, yeah, match up with 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:19.119 the starter jacket. 0:21:19.400 --> 0:21:22.400 Yeah, I love. Yeah, man, I'm a Calli guy. You're 0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:22.920 a Kelli guy. 0:21:22.920 --> 0:21:24.720 But you did you grow up? I grew up in 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:29.800 the Bay. Oh what right? I watched your your doc? Yeah, 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:31.200 I watched your doc. That's right. 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:35.600 So that's that's off of ice Cube and the Boys. Yeah, yeah, 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:37.639 I grew up in the Bay. You grew up in 0:21:37.760 --> 0:21:39.760 you were born in Long Beach, Then you grew up 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:40.640 in Washington State. 0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:42.920 Yeah, I moved there when I was like twelve twelve. Yeah, 0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:45.159 so you are you a Cally kidd? Are you washing Washington? 0:21:45.160 --> 0:21:46.920 Because I grew up high school and all that shuff 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:49.160 even though I went back to USC you know, I mean, 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:51.639 is not really my vibe. I like going down to 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:54.359 LA but it's like it's not my body. Yeah. I 0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:56.879 like like when you came out here and the people 0:21:56.880 --> 0:22:00.120 were super rough, right, It's like it was to me 0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:02.320 it was like a match made in heaven. I was like, man, 0:22:02.359 --> 0:22:05.240 this is great. All these people they just tell you 0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:06.680 how it is exactly. 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:09.520 That's what it is. I always explain that, you know 0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:12.480 when when when people ask me, like East Coast people, 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:16.359 Boston people, they really I'm like, they're not mean. They're 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:20.760 just very upfront and they're very honest, and they're not 0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:24.160 gonna sit here and you know, walk by and say 0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:27.840 hello because they got ship to do. Yeah, but that 0:22:28.040 --> 0:22:30.280 same person, if something were to happen to you on 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:33.520 the street, that asshole that you think is an asshole 0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:35.840 would probably help you. And if you go to different cities, 0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:38.320 the people that are nice to you probably just keep 0:22:38.320 --> 0:22:41.720 on walking, you know. So that's how I always explain 0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:46.800 the Northeastern person. You know, they're they're just very straightforward. 0:22:46.840 --> 0:22:50.840 They're straight shooters, they they but they're actually nice, nice 0:22:50.840 --> 0:22:53.159 ass people, like when ship's hitting the fan. 0:22:53.200 --> 0:22:56.119 For sure, Like I think when I can explain all 0:22:56.160 --> 0:22:58.639 this when I'm I coached the Warriors one year in 0:22:59.080 --> 0:23:02.320 the Bay, or like this, LA's a little like this. 0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:04.880 I just the best way to describe it is when 0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:07.600 you drive around, you're like, listen, I gotta get over 0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:09.840 you're there. I got some space. I'm gonna squeeze in. 0:23:09.920 --> 0:23:11.560 It is what it is. A guy in here might 0:23:11.600 --> 0:23:13.879 just come on, man, like, just what are you doing 0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:16.840 over there? It's on the horn. They speed up, they're 0:23:16.840 --> 0:23:19.320 super aggressive to you, but then you saw them later 0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:20.919 they'd be like, hey, how you doing, man? I make 0:23:21.040 --> 0:23:24.000 this great day outside? Right, It's like like I just 0:23:24.000 --> 0:23:28.320 just be who you are. Don't be overly aggressive, passive 0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:31.360 aggressive in the car or and then when you see 0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:33.320 me into my face or just like super nice. Like 0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:36.840 people here are like and I'm not saying this is 0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:39.800 obviously we're blanket statementing a lot of people, but like 0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:42.480 in general, like people here are just real, like they're 0:23:42.560 --> 0:23:45.399 just real and up front, and I do agree, like 0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:48.600 if you meet people here, they are willing to help, 0:23:48.880 --> 0:23:51.720 like when you are in trouble. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now 0:23:51.800 --> 0:23:54.800 what was it like growing up in Washington? Uh? I, 0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:56.600 you know, like it was the best place for me 0:23:56.640 --> 0:23:58.280 to grow up. I grew up in a small town 0:23:59.040 --> 0:24:03.000 about forty miles outside of Seattle. Seattle's a really big 0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:06.720 hoop bed, like and it all starts. It all started 0:24:06.720 --> 0:24:09.119 a long time ago with Doug Christie, and then that 0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:12.960 got pushed to Michael Dickerson and then Jason Terry and 0:24:13.000 --> 0:24:16.239 then now Jamal Crawford. It's a really inclusive community when 0:24:16.280 --> 0:24:19.240 it comes to ball. Like there's other places where everyone 0:24:19.400 --> 0:24:21.320 like mad dogs each other and they're trying to fight 0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:24.840 for the top. In Seattle, it's like, let's bring everybody along. 0:24:24.960 --> 0:24:27.000 So if you're like a young guy and you can 0:24:27.040 --> 0:24:29.240 go to pick up and you see like pros there, 0:24:29.400 --> 0:24:35.240 you just learn differently, right, And so that environment really 0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:37.760 helped me because I didn't think I was a pro ever, 0:24:37.960 --> 0:24:41.439 Like I thought not until I was like a junior 0:24:41.640 --> 0:24:44.919 in college that I even think about being a professional athlete. 0:24:45.000 --> 0:24:47.359 I would just like, well, I mean I don't know, 0:24:47.520 --> 0:24:50.199 like just small town white kid, you know, like just 0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:54.080 not that athletic. No, I didn't know the nuances of 0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:57.520 the game, so I never saw myself like that until 0:24:57.960 --> 0:25:00.639 I started going to those pickup runs and seeing the 0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:03.639 way that those guys and getting a stop or maybe 0:25:03.720 --> 0:25:06.159 going up and finishing over a guy. Right, It's like 0:25:06.400 --> 0:25:09.520 it's like small things that could have happened. But but 0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:12.640 those guys, if I'm not in that environment, like your 0:25:12.680 --> 0:25:16.360 trajectory changes when you're young. If you don't see that, 0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:18.639 you just stay at a level, play with your friends. 0:25:18.840 --> 0:25:21.320 You are what you are. But until you get thrown 0:25:21.400 --> 0:25:24.679 in that fire and you have a little bit of success, 0:25:24.840 --> 0:25:28.560 like that changes your outcome. Whatever that could be five 0:25:28.640 --> 0:25:31.199 years from now, but it definitely changes the way you 0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:31.879 look at things. 0:25:32.040 --> 0:25:35.280 Yeah, now, the pickup run is such a big thing 0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:38.960 in basketball. M Like you always hear about these games. 0:25:39.359 --> 0:25:42.280 You know, I don't know anything about it. But like 0:25:42.359 --> 0:25:46.679 you said, in your area, in you know, Washington, you 0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:48.600 guys were all inclusive with each other, and you guys 0:25:48.640 --> 0:25:51.000 wanted to help each other ball to make very good. 0:25:51.400 --> 0:25:54.040 I heard you. Are you playing You played pick up 0:25:54.040 --> 0:25:58.160 with the new Cooper kid? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well 0:25:58.200 --> 0:26:01.320 how's he doing well? Now? He's amazing, right, like yeah, 0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:04.680 but so like at the time, so I know a 0:26:04.720 --> 0:26:07.119 guy up in Maine and he trains Cooper and he 0:26:07.240 --> 0:26:10.000 was like telling me these stories about this at the time, 0:26:10.080 --> 0:26:12.840 thirteen year old playing against the U Maine guys and 0:26:12.880 --> 0:26:15.919 he would struggle for like twelve minutes and then for 0:26:16.000 --> 0:26:20.040 the last thirty minutes of the scrimmage he would start 0:26:20.080 --> 0:26:22.240 to dominate. I'm like, man, get the fuck out of here, 0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:25.280 No way, no way, a thirteen year old is better 0:26:25.320 --> 0:26:29.080 than D one players. It's just that's not true. You 0:26:29.160 --> 0:26:33.680 can't you can't tell me that you're building up your guy. 0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:35.879 So I go, all right, like bring him down. So 0:26:35.960 --> 0:26:38.440 I work with this team at the time, which now 0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:40.640 I started my own AAU program, but at the time 0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:43.720 I worked with the Bay State Jaguars and we had 0:26:43.760 --> 0:26:46.080 guys in there and it's great, Like let me kind 0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:49.560 of explain. At first, I was Scow the guy on 0:26:49.640 --> 0:26:52.399 TV that played for the Celtics. Within about a month, 0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:54.960 like we're nose to nose with these kids, and we 0:26:55.040 --> 0:26:58.200 have a rule like we can push, but no punches. Ever, 0:26:58.440 --> 0:27:00.760 nobody can throw punches. You get to two more on suspension. 0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:03.440 So we like to get what we're trying to do 0:27:03.960 --> 0:27:06.479 is take soft ass white kids and like build them 0:27:06.560 --> 0:27:08.480 up and get them. Like, when you're in this environment, 0:27:08.520 --> 0:27:11.280 you'll be able to survive. And you ain't gonna be 0:27:11.280 --> 0:27:13.840 able to survive with us just being like nice shot Johnny, 0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:16.879 Like it's not gonna work. Right, So we have this 0:27:16.920 --> 0:27:19.520 thing like we go nose to nose, and I've gone 0:27:19.560 --> 0:27:21.560 with these guys for a while, So I told the 0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:24.160 guy from Maine, send them down, Like if he can 0:27:24.240 --> 0:27:28.120 live here, he'll be fine, right, So send him down. 0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:33.240 Parents show up, great people, great triple drove from Maine. 0:27:33.440 --> 0:27:36.199 Like it's four and a half. He's thirteen. No, not 0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:38.800 with the parents, Yeah, four and a half, like four 0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:40.560 and a half hours, gets out of the car, go 0:27:40.680 --> 0:27:42.479 you need to warm them up. He's like he just 0:27:42.520 --> 0:27:44.399 like put on his two knee braces. Right. I'm like, 0:27:44.440 --> 0:27:47.920 all right, man, let's go. So first possession. He goes 0:27:48.000 --> 0:27:51.520 to the right and he pump fakes, and let me 0:27:51.520 --> 0:27:53.080 give you a little bit of a background here, Like 0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:56.159 I brought in some other kids and they were not 0:27:56.320 --> 0:27:59.320 about that. And the guys who I played against were 0:27:59.400 --> 0:28:02.840 killing me about bringing in these other kids. Right, So 0:28:02.920 --> 0:28:05.119 then for me, I'm always talking shit. So I'm like, yo, 0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:07.320 I got somebody for you today. Man, this guy's gonna 0:28:07.320 --> 0:28:10.840 come and whoop your ass right fourteen years old. They're like, man, 0:28:10.960 --> 0:28:13.280 no way, and I go it's Kid Cooper Flag and 0:28:13.280 --> 0:28:16.520 they're like, huh, I heard of him. But nah, man, 0:28:16.720 --> 0:28:19.280 no one can come in here. And on day one 0:28:19.760 --> 0:28:22.680 survive in this environment when we got the music cranking. 0:28:23.400 --> 0:28:25.480 We play games where you can only have the ball 0:28:25.480 --> 0:28:27.399 in your hand for two seconds. You have to shot 0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:30.119 clock in eight seconds. So we're doing all these things 0:28:30.119 --> 0:28:32.720 to mess people up, all right. So he comes down, 0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:35.719 he dribbles right, he pump fakes, he throws it up 0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:38.080 off the backboard, he goes up with the left and 0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:41.520 he dunks it right. The gym was silent, like you 0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:44.240 can hear a pin drop in the gym. And I'm like, ooh, 0:28:44.280 --> 0:28:48.200 I got some motherfuckers for you now, right, So I 0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:50.320 give him a chest pump and then we just start going. 0:28:50.680 --> 0:28:53.080 It was one of our best days. But he survived. 0:28:53.160 --> 0:28:56.200 Guys in the gym or seventeen eighteen nineteen, there's countless 0:28:56.240 --> 0:28:59.040 D one players there, like he held his own more 0:28:59.080 --> 0:29:01.280 than and then when we sped the game up, he 0:29:01.880 --> 0:29:04.720 just like the game just slowed down for him. So 0:29:04.800 --> 0:29:06.480 I get I told to the parents, I'm like, this 0:29:06.560 --> 0:29:08.640 kid's a pro. Like, I don't know what type of pro. 0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:11.680 There's levels of pro. You could be a Hall of Famer, 0:29:11.880 --> 0:29:16.000 an All Star, a starter, a bench player, guy like me, right, 0:29:16.040 --> 0:29:18.760 and you could be a guy that's like ten day contract. 0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:21.440 There's all of them are pros. But like, what level 0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:23.400 are you gonna be? And it depends on what you do. 0:29:23.680 --> 0:29:26.640 So I call USA Basketball the next day, I call 0:29:26.960 --> 0:29:29.000 Duke the next day. I'm telling you, guys, man, this 0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:32.640 guy is nasty. They blew me off kid from Maine. 0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:35.800 He's all right, we'll bring him in for you whatever. 0:29:36.160 --> 0:29:39.200 And he just took off from there. And the key is, 0:29:39.240 --> 0:29:41.720 the key is he's gifted. He's super gifted. He's a 0:29:41.760 --> 0:29:46.120 basketball prodigy. But he's not afraid. Man, he's nasty. Like 0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:49.520 he's not afraid to walk into places and be and 0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:51.800 go at people knows who knows. And you saw it 0:29:51.800 --> 0:29:54.680 when he was scrimmaging USA basketball. You saw him like 0:29:54.720 --> 0:29:57.320 with Anthony Davis, Lebron James, like all those guys. He 0:29:57.400 --> 0:30:00.680 was going at him. Man, the great White Hope. I mean, 0:30:00.680 --> 0:30:03.880 that's what everyone, That's what everyone thinks he just signed 0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:08.160 with New Balance. Maybe he loves Larry Big Larry Bird 0:30:08.160 --> 0:30:12.760 fan Larry. That's that kind of guy. But he's nasty 0:30:12.920 --> 0:30:16.200 like that, is he He's like, he's like tough like 0:30:16.280 --> 0:30:18.120 Larry Bird was tough? Is he is? 0:30:18.120 --> 0:30:20.440 He quiet on the court? Does he talks ship? Talked ship, 0:30:20.440 --> 0:30:21.640 but he talked ship with his ball. 0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:25.640 He talked ship. He talked ship like after like something. 0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:28.920 He's always talking. He's always talking. Yeah, he yeah, I 0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:32.000 mean he's always chirping, you know. And and he got 0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:35.040 that fire like you know when we went in there. 0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:36.680 I went up to Mania, uh I think it was 0:30:36.720 --> 0:30:40.360 two years ago now, and and we scrimmaged and we 0:30:40.400 --> 0:30:42.959 got him the first day. You could tell he walked in. 0:30:43.080 --> 0:30:45.400 He wasn't talking to nobody. He was coming in. He 0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:48.120 tied his shoes, he's ready. He was not laughing, he 0:30:48.200 --> 0:30:50.800 was not joking. And he murdered us. Murdered us. Yeah, 0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:53.040 so we'll see. He will be one year at Duke. 0:30:53.520 --> 0:30:55.280 Good chance he'll be at number one pick, if not 0:30:55.320 --> 0:30:57.880 a top three pick, and then you know, then there's that. 0:30:58.200 --> 0:31:01.640 Then the league is a different animal. It's like there's 0:31:01.680 --> 0:31:04.360 so many different levels of players in the NBA. There's 0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:06.640 and and you know, we'll see what he becomes. But 0:31:07.040 --> 0:31:09.520 he's a worker, he's tough, he's gifted. You know, he's 0:31:09.520 --> 0:31:12.120 got a great environment, great family. You know. I wish 0:31:12.280 --> 0:31:15.880 I hope him that he's like whatever he could become. 0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:18.240 I feel like you'll maximize this potentially. 0:31:18.520 --> 0:31:20.160 You know, it's going to be so fun to watch 0:31:20.240 --> 0:31:23.360 because I always like watching the guys that are these 0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:26.640 hype guys. Like he's got hype. I mean we're talking 0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:29.600 about him. He's not even you know, in college yet. Yeah, 0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:32.440 so like these hype guys, it's pretty It just makes you. 0:31:33.320 --> 0:31:35.200 It brings you a little attention to that area. You know, 0:31:35.280 --> 0:31:37.080 you're like, oh, I want to see what this guy does. 0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:38.560 Can he is going to live up to it? Or 0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:39.360 is he going to believe it? 0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:42.760 Yeah? You know, I mean Maine, Maine main Like there's 0:31:43.360 --> 0:31:47.080 like you can't name four NBA players from me, you Like, 0:31:47.960 --> 0:31:50.600 you can't name one really outside of Cooper, Like like 0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:53.560 there's there's just it's just not an environment for that. 0:31:53.680 --> 0:31:55.800 It's just not it's just that makes it more impressive. 0:31:55.920 --> 0:32:01.000 It's beyond it's it's prodigy and he's super gifted. He 0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:04.320 has a twin brother who was always like forty fifty 0:32:04.360 --> 0:32:06.680 pounds heavier than him growing up, and beat the shit 0:32:06.760 --> 0:32:08.880 out of him right, and then he just he never 0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:11.080 backed down, He never cried to mom. He just kept 0:32:11.080 --> 0:32:15.840 going out. No, his brother now is small, Say geez, 0:32:16.320 --> 0:32:18.440 his brother played for me on my team, White Mam. 0:32:18.480 --> 0:32:20.320 But he was good. He's a good player. Like I 0:32:20.320 --> 0:32:22.520 think he'll go to U Maine. You know, it's just 0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:26.000 like but his you know, like you grow up. You 0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:28.280 grew up getting your ass whipped like by your older 0:32:28.320 --> 0:32:30.360 by your twin brother. Like you just never think that 0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:32.920 you're good or not, even if you're gifted. You're just 0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:35.880 always going at your brother who's big, and it's like 0:32:35.920 --> 0:32:37.240 hard to beat those guys, can't. 0:32:37.480 --> 0:32:40.520 No, No, we got to talk about you said, White Mamba, 0:32:41.080 --> 0:32:44.520 the one on ones when you challenge. 0:32:44.720 --> 0:32:45.880 Well, it was kind of like the movie. 0:32:46.480 --> 0:32:48.160 So we were talking about, you know that he had 0:32:48.200 --> 0:32:50.880 to get some some fucking mojo. So he went on 0:32:50.960 --> 0:32:52.280 and started beating the shit out of people. 0:32:52.280 --> 0:32:55.920 How is that? So I was are you familiar touching 0:32:55.920 --> 0:32:58.560 and Rich? Yeah? Okay, yeah, sports tub. So I was 0:32:58.600 --> 0:33:01.080 on the sports tub and they everyone asked me, like 0:33:01.120 --> 0:33:03.560 listen when I got done playing basketball, like I'm a 0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:05.959 hoop hit. I still play now, even though, like I know, 0:33:06.000 --> 0:33:07.720 like football players, you gotta see it differently, like you 0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:11.120 guys are fucking done when you're done, right, Like yeah, 0:33:11.400 --> 0:33:13.160 So I still play, like I play against these high 0:33:13.160 --> 0:33:15.000 school kids like I go and I just play all 0:33:15.040 --> 0:33:17.440 the time. And but at the time when I just 0:33:17.520 --> 0:33:19.920 got out, I was playing, like you can't believe, like 0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:23.000 I was going. I would do the Celtic games, and 0:33:23.080 --> 0:33:25.960 I think, like a sneaky side of me did the 0:33:26.000 --> 0:33:28.480 Celtic job just so I can go to different cities 0:33:28.520 --> 0:33:30.120 and find pick up to play in like that's how 0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:33.239 I was a I'm like a pickup savage, right. But 0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:36.480 I was thirty three at the time. So I'm playing 0:33:36.480 --> 0:33:39.280 all these pickup games. And I had this rec league 0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:40.760 and the night before I just had I was going 0:33:40.760 --> 0:33:42.600 I had to go and I had sixty five points. 0:33:42.880 --> 0:33:46.000 So someone gets on the chat and was just they 0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:48.880 just started frying me in the chat. So I'm like, 0:33:49.080 --> 0:33:51.960 y'all really think, like I don't think that, Like I 0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:54.080 don't think I could tackle you. I don't think I 0:33:54.080 --> 0:33:56.120 can hit a fucking baseball, Like I don't think I 0:33:56.120 --> 0:33:57.760 can hit a golf ball like I don't think. I 0:33:57.760 --> 0:33:59.400 don't think I could do. I don't think I could 0:33:59.400 --> 0:34:02.000 play Batman, you know, I don't think like that. I 0:34:02.040 --> 0:34:04.160 think I could hoop right, And I don't even think 0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:05.720 I'm that good of a one on one player, but 0:34:05.800 --> 0:34:08.840 I'm better than like average Joe's. So I was just 0:34:08.880 --> 0:34:11.160 you know what, I'll play anybody anytime, just like sending 0:34:11.160 --> 0:34:13.239 your videos. We'll pick the best players and we'll just 0:34:13.360 --> 0:34:15.440 we'll go. I'll play five of you guys in a row. 0:34:15.440 --> 0:34:18.160 Wouldn't matter to me. And so I just went in 0:34:18.200 --> 0:34:20.920 there and once, like the way it works, once I 0:34:20.960 --> 0:34:23.120 see something once or twice, I'm like, all right, I 0:34:23.200 --> 0:34:25.600 know what you are. You're you're a right handed pull up, 0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:27.640 You're a left handed to the cup. You like to 0:34:27.680 --> 0:34:30.239 step back, you know, like I could. I can if 0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:33.680 I see someone live twice like two possessions, I know 0:34:33.760 --> 0:34:36.160 exactly what you are. Right, I've seen it. I've seen 0:34:36.200 --> 0:34:39.120 it on the highest level. And by the way, besides, 0:34:39.160 --> 0:34:41.640 like Kobe Bryant, most guys in the NBA do like 0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:44.799 two to seven things max to get open and get 0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:49.040 a shot off. So I've seen that same move. But 0:34:49.160 --> 0:34:50.920 it was Paul Pierce doing it, and now was you. 0:34:51.160 --> 0:34:53.440 So I can stop you. I might not be able 0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:55.120 to stop Paul Pierce, but I can stop you. So 0:34:55.480 --> 0:34:57.600 I challenged five guys. I played him. You know, I 0:34:57.680 --> 0:35:01.360 won like fifty five to eight. Bind you know, but 0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:06.319 uh that gap is closing at forty six. Still got it, 0:35:06.400 --> 0:35:07.800 still got I played? 0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:08.040 Uh. 0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:11.359 I played this dude called the Hesy God like he's 0:35:11.400 --> 0:35:14.640 a YouTuber and he whooped my ass. Like he whooped 0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:16.520 my ass. He just he like he built like you 0:35:16.800 --> 0:35:21.440 like small, right and strong, and he just he was 0:35:21.560 --> 0:35:23.960 doing shit that I've never even seen before. Right, So 0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:26.120 these fucking you know what, isn't it crazy? 0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:30.480 It is crazy how sport in general and all sports 0:35:30.960 --> 0:35:32.759 it's getting to a like you watch some of these 0:35:32.800 --> 0:35:36.120 football kids. I watch them on you know, YouTube in 0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:38.839 or you know whatever, and you see the skill level 0:35:38.880 --> 0:35:41.799 that they have. It's incredible. It's incredible. Or I'll get 0:35:41.800 --> 0:35:44.680 into like a wormhole of watching hoopers. Oh yeah, these 0:35:44.719 --> 0:35:47.520 like little kids, yeah, you know, like how they got 0:35:47.560 --> 0:35:50.960 their their handles. And it's just the information age has 0:35:51.000 --> 0:35:54.880 helped athlete worlds so much total because we used to 0:35:55.680 --> 0:35:58.919 I used to like hear folklore of how Jerry Rice 0:35:59.040 --> 0:35:59.800 chained trained. 0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:01.640 I didn't. I didn't know how it is, and you 0:36:01.640 --> 0:36:03.640 didn't see it. I didn't see it, but you would 0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:05.200 hear and you would go to do it. 0:36:05.239 --> 0:36:07.319 Now you can go onto Instagram see what your fucking 0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:10.239 favorite athletes do and see everything correct and just be 0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:13.040 a little gym rat and go do it and you know, 0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:14.160 become great at it. 0:36:14.239 --> 0:36:17.759 Yeah, I like, my son loves Steph Curry, but my 0:36:17.880 --> 0:36:20.600 son is not Steph Curry. But I think the best 0:36:20.680 --> 0:36:23.640 Like this is crazy, right, I think the best offensive 0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:25.879 player in the NBA, like a guy that every kid 0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:28.200 should watch and every kid should embulate. I don't care 0:36:28.239 --> 0:36:30.040 if you're fucking six ' ten or you're five to 0:36:30.080 --> 0:36:34.000 ten is Trey Young. Trey Young, his footwork is perfect, 0:36:34.040 --> 0:36:37.560 his handle is perfect, deficiency is perfect. Like I get it, 0:36:37.600 --> 0:36:40.560 he's not he doesn't make shots, but everything he does 0:36:40.719 --> 0:36:43.439 is perfect. So if when I go to my son, 0:36:43.440 --> 0:36:45.359 I'm like, listen, you shouldn't watch Steph Curry Like that's 0:36:46.239 --> 0:36:50.120 that's otherworldly, Like that's what he does is like I 0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:52.960 don't like that's you can't even teach that. But what 0:36:53.080 --> 0:36:55.400 you really should do is watch this guy. So like 0:36:55.400 --> 0:36:57.799 like He's just glued to it. Trey Young, Trey Young, 0:36:57.840 --> 0:37:01.440 Trey Young, Trey Jung. And so it's like you, that's 0:37:01.640 --> 0:37:07.000 amazing how on Apple TV and YouTube he can watch 0:37:07.400 --> 0:37:11.960 hours of Trey Young just all day long. Tray Young. Like, like, 0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:14.440 we used to have the video tape put in the 0:37:14.480 --> 0:37:18.000 thing and be watch highlights and it wasn't like learning highlights. 0:37:18.200 --> 0:37:20.640 It was just dunks and threes and whatever. Right, So 0:37:20.960 --> 0:37:23.920 you know the information age and sports and let's not 0:37:23.960 --> 0:37:27.879 even I was on Instagram this morning and I saw 0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:29.680 a guy, you know how like you have a feed 0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:32.520 of people you follow, but sometimes they throw somebody in there. 0:37:32.600 --> 0:37:35.480 I saw this dude in Minnesota training people. I'm like, 0:37:36.440 --> 0:37:39.080 I can't do that, but I need a guy that 0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:41.200 could do that to work with my team, right and 0:37:41.280 --> 0:37:43.600 I need that right there, and I'll send him that 0:37:44.000 --> 0:37:46.680 and I'll say, take this guy, study the hell out 0:37:46.719 --> 0:37:48.200 of him, and I want you to do this with 0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:49.400 my kids. Yeah. 0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:52.480 I see there's one guy up in New York. I 0:37:52.800 --> 0:37:53.960 see trains all these guys. 0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:57.719 I think Brady Brickley, Yes, Brickley. Yeah. I am like 0:37:57.880 --> 0:37:59.760 I watched some of the guys these drills. 0:37:59.760 --> 0:38:03.200 There's so fascinating and they're so awesome to watch the 0:38:03.520 --> 0:38:06.640 things they come up with and then see it translate. 0:38:06.719 --> 0:38:08.080 Oh, they actually do that in the game. You know 0:38:08.120 --> 0:38:08.440 what I mean. 0:38:08.640 --> 0:38:10.600 You go from what we always used to say, you 0:38:10.640 --> 0:38:13.680 go from the classroom to the drill, to the seven 0:38:13.719 --> 0:38:17.160 on seven to the team period. You know, no one 0:38:17.320 --> 0:38:21.399 sees those drills, the things that you do in order 0:38:21.480 --> 0:38:24.200 to execute at you know, in the team periods. 0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:24.440 You know. 0:38:24.520 --> 0:38:27.239 So it's kind of similar watching these guys. They'll cut 0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:29.680 up like one little thing and they'll do it a 0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:33.319 million times and then they perfect it and then it's 0:38:33.360 --> 0:38:35.000 just it. 0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:38.439 Has that changed in football, Like so like here's here's 0:38:38.440 --> 0:38:42.520 the big thing. So in basketball, it's the dribble to 0:38:42.640 --> 0:38:45.239 the gather, Like you can you could spin that ball 0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:47.680 or hold that ball out as long as you possibly can, 0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:49.520 as long as you don't put your hand underneath the 0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:50.920 ball or put two hands on the ball, and you 0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:53.799 can take a thousand steps if you want. Right. So 0:38:53.880 --> 0:38:57.520 the whole gather series, Uh, Like the float and gather 0:38:57.680 --> 0:38:59.640 is like kind of like James Harden, Right, he puts 0:38:59.680 --> 0:39:02.080 the ball, he floats it and he goes then he 0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:04.160 shoots it. Right, So he's like it's okay with their 0:39:04.160 --> 0:39:06.480 hands on top of the ball. So that's been a 0:39:06.480 --> 0:39:09.799 big change. Like not many players. There were some, but 0:39:09.840 --> 0:39:12.000 not many, and back in the day did it. So 0:39:12.080 --> 0:39:14.359 now like when you talk about little kids, like kids 0:39:14.360 --> 0:39:17.840 that can't even play float the ball, high, gather, low, gather, 0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:20.600 power gather, right, has there been a thing in football 0:39:20.600 --> 0:39:24.319 where you watch and say, man, there was nobody doing that, 0:39:24.400 --> 0:39:25.799 and now everybody's doing that. 0:39:27.680 --> 0:39:31.040 For me, I think football it's just it's it's for 0:39:31.120 --> 0:39:35.680 the receiver position. I think it's their release game. You know, 0:39:35.800 --> 0:39:37.520 the releases at the line of scrimmage. 0:39:37.560 --> 0:39:37.920 Shot it. 0:39:38.080 --> 0:39:40.520 These guys they have such a big tool belt now 0:39:40.760 --> 0:39:43.040 and they can practice it like my release is I 0:39:43.040 --> 0:39:47.680 would release and instinctively just go. They use it as 0:39:47.680 --> 0:39:49.640 like a weapon now where they have a counter, they 0:39:49.680 --> 0:39:52.360 have a double, they have a speed, they have a 0:39:52.600 --> 0:39:54.879 you know what I mean. Yeah, it's just I think 0:39:55.160 --> 0:39:58.600 they're just everyone's a technician now. Everyone's a technician now, 0:39:58.640 --> 0:40:02.000 and these big ass receipts everyone get in and out 0:40:02.000 --> 0:40:04.520 of breaks. Like you watch a guy like Jamar Chase 0:40:05.200 --> 0:40:07.680 or Justin Jefferson. Those guys used to be guys that 0:40:07.800 --> 0:40:10.560 just went down the sideline. Jamar Chase is two hundred 0:40:10.560 --> 0:40:14.200 and ten to fifteen pounds, six ' one six, a 0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:16.600 tall six ' one, and he can get in and 0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:19.560 out of breaks like like a little guy. You know, 0:40:19.600 --> 0:40:22.359 that's the stuff you're starting to see here, you know, 0:40:22.440 --> 0:40:25.799 in the league. And then also the rule changes have 0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:29.840 allowed guys to, you know, play across the middle. 0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:32.399 You know, it kind of happened in the middle of my. 0:40:32.440 --> 0:40:35.399 Career where you couldn't hit the guys like they used 0:40:35.440 --> 0:40:37.200 to in the head, right in the head or just 0:40:37.239 --> 0:40:41.319 in general. You know, guys, we started farming this in 0:40:41.360 --> 0:40:44.239 the young kids sports. You know, you start seeing him 0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:48.040 Pop Warner, where these guys are starting to see, like 0:40:48.200 --> 0:40:50.680 your favorite guy that used to be a headhunter or 0:40:50.800 --> 0:40:54.400 a big hitter, he ain't even playing because he's suspended. 0:40:55.160 --> 0:40:58.080 So and then the guy who's making the picks is 0:40:58.120 --> 0:41:00.799 getting paid hell of money. So now they don't even 0:41:00.840 --> 0:41:02.759 go for the big hit as much. They go for 0:41:02.800 --> 0:41:06.399 an interception because you get paid if you get interceptions. 0:41:06.560 --> 0:41:08.880 So the whole game has changed. It has become a 0:41:08.920 --> 0:41:11.239 space game, very similar to basketball. 0:41:12.040 --> 0:41:16.640 More space. It's spaced now, can I I've always wanted 0:41:16.640 --> 0:41:18.160 to ask you this and this is for all guys 0:41:18.160 --> 0:41:20.000 going over the middle. When you're going over the middle, 0:41:20.080 --> 0:41:21.719 is that a feel that you know that there's a 0:41:21.719 --> 0:41:22.759 guy there or not there? 0:41:22.880 --> 0:41:26.080 So you know pre snap what's going to be. You 0:41:26.120 --> 0:41:28.880 know the coverage, so I kind of know where guys 0:41:28.920 --> 0:41:32.600 are supposed to be from the look before the snap. 0:41:33.160 --> 0:41:36.560 Now there's a lot of variables when that happens. But 0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:40.280 you know, if the quarterback comes late to you across 0:41:40.320 --> 0:41:43.080 the middle and you're on a twenty yard ind and 0:41:43.120 --> 0:41:46.160 you're starting to get past those numbers, that's usually when 0:41:46.200 --> 0:41:49.719 you hit that middlefield safety. So I can anticipate if 0:41:49.760 --> 0:41:51.200 I'm going to get my clock cleaned. 0:41:51.719 --> 0:41:55.640 So's it's a gut or you actually when the ball's 0:41:55.680 --> 0:41:58.120 in the air, because it's so slow for you, you 0:41:58.160 --> 0:42:00.920 can say, damn about get hit? Well I can. 0:42:01.080 --> 0:42:04.520 I can know by the time that you know when 0:42:04.560 --> 0:42:06.719 the quarterback throw me the ball, where the quarterback threw 0:42:06.719 --> 0:42:09.880 me the ball, that you know, if if the defense. 0:42:09.520 --> 0:42:11.839 Is where they're supposed to be, I could be getting hit. 0:42:12.040 --> 0:42:14.920 So you're prepared for you you're not, Yeah, you're prepared 0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:17.560 for it, but you know going into it, Yeah, you 0:42:17.600 --> 0:42:18.320 know if. 0:42:18.160 --> 0:42:20.400 You're gonna get take one or not. Yeah, you know, 0:42:20.560 --> 0:42:22.960 and you know, and you know when you're not. Yeah, 0:42:23.000 --> 0:42:24.440 you know when you're not. You know when you're not. 0:42:24.520 --> 0:42:26.040 You know where you're going. You're like, I'm gonna have 0:42:26.160 --> 0:42:29.320 like I'm gonna have a little bit of room here. Yeah, 0:42:29.360 --> 0:42:30.160 So a lot of it. 0:42:30.360 --> 0:42:32.520 You know, when you see a lot of those big hits, 0:42:32.560 --> 0:42:36.840 it's sometimes it's receivers running through zones, you know what 0:42:36.920 --> 0:42:39.160 I mean, because man coverage, you're not really gonna get 0:42:39.360 --> 0:42:41.239 a hit unless there's a rat, a guy in the 0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:43.520 middle of the field who has no responsibility that's reading 0:42:43.560 --> 0:42:46.359 the quarterback size or you're deep and you hit that 0:42:46.400 --> 0:42:50.600 middle field safety. So if man coverage you beat your guy, 0:42:50.960 --> 0:42:54.360 you're good. But you always see these big hits because 0:42:54.440 --> 0:42:57.759 it's a young receiver running like a bat out of 0:42:57.800 --> 0:43:00.439 hell through the zone. Yeah, waiting for and a guy 0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:03.759 is waiting for you. So you can kind of anticipate 0:43:03.840 --> 0:43:05.560 when you get older, you know where the soft spots 0:43:05.560 --> 0:43:07.319 of the zones are. And if you have a good 0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:10.560 rapport with the quarterback, he knows that as well, so 0:43:10.800 --> 0:43:12.680 you know, you're his eyes out on the field, Like 0:43:12.719 --> 0:43:14.920 I was a lot of times I'd be Tom's eyes 0:43:14.960 --> 0:43:17.960 he'd trust where I was going and then you know, 0:43:18.120 --> 0:43:20.960 he would throw me to where he wanted me to run. 0:43:21.440 --> 0:43:23.080 You know, So if you put it on this shoulder, 0:43:23.440 --> 0:43:25.759 he's saying, Hey, there's a guy over here, let's go this. 0:43:25.920 --> 0:43:28.640 I see. I see. So that that's where the nuances come. 0:43:29.280 --> 0:43:31.960 And when you watch that, you pick pick it up 0:43:32.040 --> 0:43:36.840 right away, like you're watching ooh, young receiver or ooh 0:43:37.000 --> 0:43:40.560 quarterback didn't do You can see when a guy gets 0:43:40.560 --> 0:43:43.719 blown up, you know why he got there. So so 0:43:43.840 --> 0:43:45.960 think about like what I do with the Celtics, right, 0:43:46.640 --> 0:43:50.440 Like I love basketball, but it's really hard to explain 0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:52.960 like the nuances of what the game is and then 0:43:53.000 --> 0:43:55.080 try to make it so people can understand it. Right. 0:43:55.760 --> 0:43:59.600 And it's funny how there's a misconception about every time 0:43:59.600 --> 0:44:02.399 I meet up football player, the misconception is like dumb 0:44:02.400 --> 0:44:05.960 football player. You guys like the smartest people, every single 0:44:05.960 --> 0:44:08.399 one of you guys, and the layers of what you got. Mike, 0:44:08.680 --> 0:44:11.560 you know that you know when you were on layer three, four, five, 0:44:11.760 --> 0:44:13.399 like you know in the NBA we stop at two. 0:44:13.760 --> 0:44:16.920 It's like, well, it's just because you know when you 0:44:16.960 --> 0:44:22.960 when you play, when you play sixteen seventeen games and 0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:26.120 you have a whole week to prepare for one game. 0:44:26.480 --> 0:44:29.080 Just imagine, like like what you said when you're going 0:44:29.080 --> 0:44:32.480 into playoffs. You guys got that book. Yeah, that's like 0:44:32.520 --> 0:44:35.480 that every week because you can't. You can't slip up 0:44:35.520 --> 0:44:37.680 and have a three game skid in the NFL. Your 0:44:37.719 --> 0:44:40.000 season's over for sure, for sure. So you have you 0:44:40.040 --> 0:44:42.680 have to prepare for everything to put yourself in the 0:44:42.719 --> 0:44:45.560 position to go out and perform three hours on a 0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:48.880 Sunday the best of your possibility, and then you have 0:44:48.920 --> 0:44:51.240 to dump it and go to the next week. Crazy, 0:44:51.239 --> 0:44:52.279 you know, that's that's foot. 0:44:52.440 --> 0:44:54.680 How how when you go to the playoffs is it 0:44:54.800 --> 0:44:55.319 even more? 0:44:55.600 --> 0:44:58.360 Oh my god, I mean it's the speeds are always 0:44:58.400 --> 0:45:01.319 like this. You know, you come in and March and 0:45:01.400 --> 0:45:04.440 you got organized team activities and you start working out 0:45:04.480 --> 0:45:06.680 for like six weeks with the team. You work out, 0:45:06.760 --> 0:45:08.520 you're working on your speed, and then you guys start 0:45:08.560 --> 0:45:11.880 doing a little you know ota where you're installing the offense, 0:45:11.920 --> 0:45:13.880 and it's like a little faster because now you have 0:45:13.920 --> 0:45:16.640 a guy across from you, but you're still there's no pads. 0:45:16.640 --> 0:45:17.480 That's like faster. 0:45:18.160 --> 0:45:20.560 Then you get to training camp and it's like a 0:45:20.600 --> 0:45:24.400 lot faster hit, well not hitting, but just the speed. 0:45:24.480 --> 0:45:27.320 And when you're feeling another guy on you, you know 0:45:27.320 --> 0:45:29.759 what I mean, And when the ball's coming and all 0:45:29.760 --> 0:45:31.200 of a sudden, you know you're not getting hit, but 0:45:31.560 --> 0:45:33.480 the ball you know if you would have got hit, 0:45:33.600 --> 0:45:36.360 So there's things flying around. Then you get the regular 0:45:36.480 --> 0:45:38.719 season when you know you're not going against a guy 0:45:38.760 --> 0:45:41.120 who's not going to make the team, and it gets 0:45:41.239 --> 0:45:42.759 that much faster, and then you. 0:45:42.719 --> 0:45:43.839 Get to the playoffs. 0:45:43.880 --> 0:45:47.680 Every week that there's no business decisions anymore. Guys are 0:45:47.680 --> 0:45:49.920 going like bad out of hell trying to kill you. 0:45:50.000 --> 0:45:52.960 So it's it's crazy, but it's you know, that's that's 0:45:52.960 --> 0:45:54.520 why we like playing the game for sure. 0:45:54.719 --> 0:45:57.400 For sure. We'll be right back after this quick break. 0:45:58.800 --> 0:46:01.680 Hey Hey, hey, it's Rab Gronkowski here and I'm with 0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:05.720 my bro or my dude, Jules. 0:46:06.080 --> 0:46:08.520 And we are super excited to tell you about our 0:46:08.600 --> 0:46:11.080 new show, Dudes on Dudes. 0:46:11.480 --> 0:46:13.160 We're just regular dudes as well. 0:46:13.280 --> 0:46:17.040 Sometimes we can't read, sometimes we can't speak properly, but. 0:46:17.080 --> 0:46:21.239 That's what dudes do. 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And watch us on YouTube, listen wherever 0:47:02.719 --> 0:47:06.160 you listen to podcasts, and of course, follow us all 0:47:06.160 --> 0:47:08.080 over social media. 0:47:07.560 --> 0:47:11.239 So hit that subscribe button, follow us everywhere and join 0:47:11.320 --> 0:47:12.240 the dude party. 0:47:12.600 --> 0:47:15.439 You don't want to miss this. Dudes on dudes, Let's 0:47:15.480 --> 0:47:25.200 go now. 0:47:25.239 --> 0:47:27.240 This is a segment where we go back in time 0:47:27.320 --> 0:47:31.960 around the game. This was around May fourteenth, two thousand 0:47:32.000 --> 0:47:34.880 and four, good year, and we go over pop culture 0:47:34.880 --> 0:47:37.520 and then one movie was Troy brad Pitt You see that. 0:47:37.640 --> 0:47:39.400 Yeah, good movie. Let's get a little bit about the 0:47:39.440 --> 0:47:43.680 Trojan Horse. I went to USC. Yeah, he fight on 0:47:45.040 --> 0:47:48.360 the Big ten. Now that's so weird. That's so weird 0:47:48.360 --> 0:47:52.160 to say it's crazy. Yeah, and the quarterback makes eight 0:47:52.160 --> 0:47:56.759 million bucks. Yeah, that's what thirty years I gotta go back. 0:47:56.800 --> 0:47:59.320 You know this quarterback was making eight million dollars in college. 0:47:59.360 --> 0:48:07.000 What a loser he's making forty now? Yeah, jesus, No 0:48:07.120 --> 0:48:09.600 one song was yeah by Usher. I think we all asked, 0:48:09.640 --> 0:48:12.120 like this was this was my high school? Oh my gosh, 0:48:12.160 --> 0:48:13.920 I was in high school here. I think that was 0:48:13.920 --> 0:48:15.120 like our prom song. 0:48:16.400 --> 0:48:19.320 Forgot Usher got you if you assisted in high school? 0:48:22.160 --> 0:48:24.120 And also a couple of heartbreaks. You know, you got 0:48:24.120 --> 0:48:27.279 it bad, bro, you got it bad. Oh you got 0:48:27.280 --> 0:48:31.839 it bad. No way, no way. You were crying out. 0:48:32.200 --> 0:48:36.200 No way, man, you're shedding a real tear. No way, amen, 0:48:36.400 --> 0:48:39.200 no way, no way you turn into this shedding a tear. 0:48:40.239 --> 0:48:44.040 You know, we're not just dumb. Football players are sensitive guys. 0:48:45.400 --> 0:48:49.160 Ain't no way, ain't no way. You're probably like all right, 0:48:49.280 --> 0:48:51.520 like like it's like you did well, you know what 0:48:51.560 --> 0:48:53.560 it's cover two? Now it's a cover three. I go 0:48:53.640 --> 0:48:56.480 to to the Nickel package. You had a backup playing. 0:48:56.480 --> 0:48:56.880 I know it. 0:48:57.239 --> 0:48:59.719 Let's find the soft spot in the zone. 0:49:00.400 --> 0:49:02.239 Oh, Kyler, what was it? What was it? 0:49:02.280 --> 0:49:05.359 Two thousand and four scal like right now, don this 0:49:05.640 --> 0:49:07.160 Oh my god, two thousand and four. 0:49:07.080 --> 0:49:09.960 So like I was year so I went to school 0:49:10.000 --> 0:49:14.759 five years so this see I'm twenty oh my gosh, 0:49:14.800 --> 0:49:20.719 twenty four, twenty three, twenty three, four, twenty five. So 0:49:20.840 --> 0:49:23.120 the game is just starting to slow down for me, right, 0:49:23.200 --> 0:49:25.600 Like there's a point when you talk about the speed 0:49:25.680 --> 0:49:27.160 of the game, Like when I first got into the 0:49:27.200 --> 0:49:30.040 NBA and it's some bullshit preseason game, I felt like 0:49:30.080 --> 0:49:32.040 I was in the middle of a highway and it 0:49:32.080 --> 0:49:34.440 was going a million miles an hour. I finally like 0:49:34.520 --> 0:49:36.680 kind of like started to carve out like who I am, 0:49:37.239 --> 0:49:40.080 what I am, this is what I do, trust my 0:49:40.120 --> 0:49:42.759 work and all that stuff. So just just at that 0:49:42.920 --> 0:49:46.440 point started to slow down. And you know, I also 0:49:46.520 --> 0:49:49.040 recognize that I'm never gonna be a this. I'm really 0:49:49.080 --> 0:49:51.799 happy doing this. Let me master my role and just 0:49:52.000 --> 0:49:53.640 and like, let me see how far I can go 0:49:53.680 --> 0:49:57.400 with this particular role. And I thought that was that 0:49:57.520 --> 0:49:59.839 hits a lot of guys, right there. A lot of guys. 0:50:00.200 --> 0:50:05.120 Guys don't manage their expectations and it takes them out 0:50:05.160 --> 0:50:08.440 of the overall big picture of why you just want 0:50:08.480 --> 0:50:10.720 to be on a team. Yeah, you know so some guys, 0:50:10.840 --> 0:50:12.840 I mean, I've seen it. You know, a guy thinks 0:50:12.840 --> 0:50:15.960 he should be here, and he's worrying about you know, 0:50:16.040 --> 0:50:17.160 what the coach is doing. 0:50:17.280 --> 0:50:18.239 He's worrying about this. 0:50:18.400 --> 0:50:21.160 When you know, if you just sit back and worry 0:50:21.160 --> 0:50:23.160 about what you have to do, that's when the great 0:50:23.200 --> 0:50:24.040 things happen. 0:50:24.000 --> 0:50:26.040 For sure, you know what I mean. So I can 0:50:26.160 --> 0:50:30.960 fully you know we had we had Jason Kidd on 0:50:31.000 --> 0:50:34.200 our team, right, and hey boy, and it's right baby. 0:50:34.880 --> 0:50:37.319 Just think about this, Like I had a really fast 0:50:37.360 --> 0:50:39.560 I played in junior college as well, I had a 0:50:39.600 --> 0:50:43.560 really fast team in junior college. I got really good 0:50:43.600 --> 0:50:45.800 at taking the ball out of bounds, right, some simple 0:50:45.840 --> 0:50:48.600 thing like all goes through the net, like whether it 0:50:48.680 --> 0:50:51.640 be like a quarterback in their drops. You know, I 0:50:51.640 --> 0:50:53.480 could want to and step on the line and as 0:50:53.480 --> 0:50:55.480 I step, I can release the ball. Right. So some 0:50:55.840 --> 0:50:58.320 meaningless nothing right that I got a lot of practice 0:50:58.360 --> 0:51:00.439 on will be played fast. Well, all of a sudden 0:51:00.440 --> 0:51:02.719 I get drafted and Jason kids on my team. That 0:51:02.800 --> 0:51:05.440 shit matters. And if I take the ball out and 0:51:05.480 --> 0:51:07.680 it goes to Keny Martin for an alu, like my 0:51:07.719 --> 0:51:10.360 coaches are going to realize that it's a way of 0:51:10.440 --> 0:51:12.800 putting it like this. Let's say I was going to 0:51:12.840 --> 0:51:15.600 play four and a half minutes. Let's say I take 0:51:15.640 --> 0:51:17.600 the ball out, I get it the kid, and kid 0:51:17.760 --> 0:51:20.480 goes it to Martin. That might buy me thirty seconds. 0:51:20.520 --> 0:51:23.200 Let's say in that thirty seconds, I grab a rebound 0:51:23.280 --> 0:51:25.320 and I knocked down at three. I just bought myself 0:51:25.520 --> 0:51:28.560 three more minutes, right, So I lived under That was 0:51:28.560 --> 0:51:32.960 the year when I realized that I'm buying my time, 0:51:33.120 --> 0:51:36.200 like I'm bidding on my minutes by my play. And 0:51:36.239 --> 0:51:38.120 if I didn't play well, then probably wouldn't go back 0:51:38.120 --> 0:51:40.520 in the second half. But the point is play well 0:51:40.640 --> 0:51:42.680 enough to get a second half opportunity. 0:51:42.760 --> 0:51:46.279 See, that's the difference between basketball and football. Like I 0:51:46.360 --> 0:51:50.879 was in that same situation, but that was during practice. Really, yeah, 0:51:50.920 --> 0:51:53.919 you know where that's how you earned your opportunity because 0:51:54.120 --> 0:51:58.000 on game day you're only dressing forty six out of 0:51:58.040 --> 0:52:02.120 fifty three. And if you don't do it in practice, 0:52:02.160 --> 0:52:05.360 if you don't take advantage of those opportunities those inbounds 0:52:05.440 --> 0:52:07.640 or whatever in practice, and they didn't see you. 0:52:07.680 --> 0:52:10.160 Do it, they weren't putting you out on that fucking field. Wow, 0:52:10.760 --> 0:52:14.480 So wait a minute, how many how many possessions offensively 0:52:14.520 --> 0:52:18.480 in a football game? Typically there's about usually about sixty plays? Okay, 0:52:19.040 --> 0:52:20.680 going into that, do they know by. 0:52:20.680 --> 0:52:24.560 Like eleven on a high what is it like seven 0:52:24.600 --> 0:52:26.600 to eleven possessions. 0:52:26.440 --> 0:52:30.520 Per per side? So do you know how many you're getting? 0:52:30.920 --> 0:52:33.120 Like going in, you're like, I'm gonna get you can 0:52:34.400 --> 0:52:38.440 forty what place plays? Uh? You could have a package. 0:52:38.880 --> 0:52:41.759 So if you're not a first if you're not a 0:52:41.800 --> 0:52:45.200 guy like how I started, there was a four wide 0:52:45.239 --> 0:52:51.400 package where on third downs you'd have Randy Wes, Joey Galloway, 0:52:51.520 --> 0:52:53.440 they'd take the tight end out and they'd put me 0:52:53.520 --> 0:52:57.120 in called four wide. So there may be five plays 0:52:57.120 --> 0:53:00.839 with that package that they could only use on third down. 0:53:01.200 --> 0:53:03.120 That was it. That was that was it. So you're 0:53:03.160 --> 0:53:06.120 on the sideline all you're rooting for third down. 0:53:06.719 --> 0:53:10.200 I'm rooting for I hope those ship in the ground 0:53:10.400 --> 0:53:12.680 so I can get in there for that five white package. 0:53:12.920 --> 0:53:18.200 Say it, admit it, you're like, yo, I could really 0:53:18.280 --> 0:53:19.399 use the third down right now? 0:53:19.600 --> 0:53:22.160 You know how many times I saw Walker got he 0:53:22.360 --> 0:53:24.960 get like this, This is how tough he was. 0:53:25.160 --> 0:53:27.879 I saw him like his helmet came off. I'm over 0:53:27.920 --> 0:53:29.319 here striving, I'm going in hell. 0:53:29.400 --> 0:53:37.040 Yeah, the motherfucker get backed up, yo. 0:53:37.400 --> 0:53:41.279 We are certifiedly tapped. We are tapped. Like that's just 0:53:41.400 --> 0:53:46.040 like when Key Martin would punch somebody, I'd be like, sweet, yeah, 0:53:46.120 --> 0:53:49.200 I'm about to buy. Yeah. That's that's how it was. 0:53:49.520 --> 0:53:50.399 That's how it was. 0:53:50.480 --> 0:53:55.480 But it's crazy, you know, like you guys are learning 0:53:55.520 --> 0:53:57.799 your team as the season goes. 0:53:57.719 --> 0:54:02.239 Each and every game, oh yeah, changing me. So you 0:54:02.280 --> 0:54:03.080 know we. 0:54:02.960 --> 0:54:05.040 Have to learn our team a lot through the practice 0:54:06.239 --> 0:54:08.920 and then in the games as well. But you know 0:54:08.960 --> 0:54:10.279 you have to you have to go out and do 0:54:10.320 --> 0:54:12.319 everything you can win those which is I heard you 0:54:12.400 --> 0:54:13.000 talking about that. 0:54:13.040 --> 0:54:16.400 It was crazy. There's dirty needs, third and law. 0:54:16.760 --> 0:54:22.760 Yeah for wide let's get behind the chains baby. Yeah. 0:54:22.760 --> 0:54:25.000 I bet you can watch you on the sideline, like 0:54:25.200 --> 0:54:27.600 you get a first down, second, second and eight, you 0:54:27.600 --> 0:54:32.080 get a first down, you probably or you know return. 0:54:34.800 --> 0:54:36.839 In football, there's a whole different you know, if they 0:54:36.880 --> 0:54:38.480 we punt, I could be out there. 0:54:38.960 --> 0:54:41.319 So you're sitting there cheerleading. The more you can do, 0:54:41.600 --> 0:54:43.759 the more you can do, you got. It's a it's 0:54:43.760 --> 0:54:46.839 a weird mindset. You gotta be like, you gotta want 0:54:46.840 --> 0:54:48.840 to win, you gotta want the best for your team 0:54:48.880 --> 0:54:51.080 and all that, but you got to be hungry to 0:54:51.160 --> 0:54:53.000 get that in there. Else when you go in there, 0:54:53.000 --> 0:54:53.759 you won't do well. 0:54:53.840 --> 0:54:56.200 Yeah, and you got to take advantage of the opportunity 0:54:56.239 --> 0:54:59.040 because I remember, you know, early on, I would struggle 0:54:59.080 --> 0:55:01.000 because I was used to being in the game as 0:55:01.000 --> 0:55:03.879 a quarterback in college. Every fucking play touching the ball, 0:55:04.560 --> 0:55:07.320 you know, so your focuses are, you're in the game. 0:55:07.400 --> 0:55:09.640 You could feel the momentum in the swings of the game. 0:55:10.120 --> 0:55:12.279 When I first got in the league, I'm playing like 0:55:12.719 --> 0:55:17.200 eight offensive plays, like you fuck up one? You're like, oh, 0:55:17.719 --> 0:55:20.880 you know what I mean, It's it's fucking life or death. 0:55:21.680 --> 0:55:23.600 And then you may not have been on the field 0:55:23.640 --> 0:55:26.200 for like twenty five minutes, so then you gotta go. 0:55:26.320 --> 0:55:28.680 You know, that's like a bench player. No, I know, 0:55:28.760 --> 0:55:31.640 it's tough. In two thousand and three, two thousand and four, 0:55:31.640 --> 0:55:35.799 in the sports world, the Pistons, they won that championship. 0:55:35.960 --> 0:55:39.040 When we get into this right here, shadowing KG was 0:55:39.080 --> 0:55:43.120 the MVP of the NBA. Stanley Cup winners were the 0:55:43.239 --> 0:55:48.120 Tampa Bay Lightning. Wow, they've done it a few times now. 0:55:48.280 --> 0:55:49.080 Yeah, they're great. 0:55:49.280 --> 0:55:53.600 They do. They like hockey and Florida win. They do. 0:55:54.160 --> 0:55:56.239 It's gotta be about free agents going down there and 0:55:56.239 --> 0:55:57.360 not paying no tax, say. 0:55:57.320 --> 0:56:00.440 Tax, Yeah, it particularly with Canada has extra Texas to 0:56:01.320 --> 0:56:04.640 Lebron James, I was he was drafted. I was at 0:56:04.719 --> 0:56:08.080 Kent when he was over there, Yeah, and was six. 0:56:08.960 --> 0:56:10.920 I was in because I went to Kent State in 0:56:10.960 --> 0:56:15.000 Ohio and he grew up an Akron, which is like 0:56:15.080 --> 0:56:19.040 right there. So like I felt that whole like aura 0:56:19.480 --> 0:56:21.680 of Lebron and that whole thing. 0:56:21.719 --> 0:56:24.320 It was crazy. I went and bought his shoes. He's awesome. 0:56:24.360 --> 0:56:30.160 I mean it's incredible. It's incredible. He's still yeah, exceed 0:56:30.160 --> 0:56:33.560 the expectations. He's a great guy, like great businessman. I 0:56:33.560 --> 0:56:36.960 don't know. It's like it's very it's very rare to 0:56:37.000 --> 0:56:40.560 exceed hype because hype is hype. Hype is hype. Yeah, 0:56:40.600 --> 0:56:42.560 it's like, but he exceeded it and he still does. 0:56:42.600 --> 0:56:43.600 He's still exceeding hype. 0:56:43.760 --> 0:56:45.760 Yeah, and not even just on the on the court, 0:56:45.840 --> 0:56:47.080 but like in life too. 0:56:47.480 --> 0:56:51.080 Everything he elevates everything. Yeah, it's amazing. 0:56:51.160 --> 0:56:54.120 Barry Bond set the record for being intentionally walked four 0:56:54.200 --> 0:56:55.279 times in one game. 0:56:55.640 --> 0:56:57.960 Do you watch baseball? I think I watched back in 0:56:58.000 --> 0:56:59.880 the day. That was when he was cranking home ranking 0:57:00.080 --> 0:57:07.360 had a massive head New era making that customs the 0:57:07.400 --> 0:57:11.719 big Lance Armstrong fantasy to what he did. 0:57:13.640 --> 0:57:15.839 I'm desperately trying to do a Twitter France Days as 0:57:15.840 --> 0:57:17.760 an episode here, but it's not getting buy in from 0:57:17.760 --> 0:57:18.120 the team. 0:57:18.320 --> 0:57:20.840 What do you mean, I love I like the Tordate 0:57:20.920 --> 0:57:22.800 French shout out, I forgot you. 0:57:23.160 --> 0:57:24.400 Yeah yeah. 0:57:24.760 --> 0:57:28.600 And then Bethany surfer, Bethany Hamilton lost her arm to 0:57:28.640 --> 0:57:29.320 a shark attack. 0:57:29.520 --> 0:57:34.840 Soul surfer a little bit. We just interviewed Larry Hamilton, 0:57:35.480 --> 0:57:37.320 you know, yeah, like the faitness guy. 0:57:37.480 --> 0:57:44.480 No, the fucking big Waves surf. 0:57:41.840 --> 0:57:42.240 And all that. 0:57:42.440 --> 0:57:43.520 Yeah, yeah, his coffee is. 0:57:43.480 --> 0:57:47.440 Great, yeah, surfer mentality man. Yeah, it's just those guys 0:57:47.440 --> 0:57:49.600 are They're crazy, I know, hyper. 0:57:49.320 --> 0:57:51.160 Competitive, but not against anyone else. 0:57:51.240 --> 0:57:51.680 Yeah they're not. 0:57:51.720 --> 0:57:56.240 They're they're hyper competitive, but like against the climate. 0:57:56.400 --> 0:57:57.080 Yeah, I know. 0:57:57.320 --> 0:57:59.560 He invited Jewels up to his spot in malibur to 0:57:59.600 --> 0:58:01.800 do some Jalen Brown underwater weightlifting. 0:58:02.160 --> 0:58:04.320 Yea, he worked for Jalen Brown. I don't know. I 0:58:04.320 --> 0:58:06.520 just saw JB. Yeah, yeah, you know that stuff. I 0:58:06.600 --> 0:58:10.240 saw that stuff like handstands, Yeah, jumps, he does that 0:58:11.560 --> 0:58:12.040 with him that. 0:58:13.040 --> 0:58:15.680 I was looking at all this stuff, like I wish 0:58:15.760 --> 0:58:17.480 I would have done that because it's not there's no 0:58:17.600 --> 0:58:20.480 impact on your legs and you can still work on 0:58:20.600 --> 0:58:22.960 explosion and keep that nervous system popping. 0:58:23.880 --> 0:58:28.120 So I don't know if it's placed plays in football, 0:58:28.160 --> 0:58:30.960 but basketball, a lot of guys don't know how to breathe, 0:58:31.000 --> 0:58:33.920 and I think that one part of that is learning 0:58:33.920 --> 0:58:36.280 how to control Like you're in so if you're doing 0:58:36.400 --> 0:58:39.120 handstands into this and that, you obviously you can't breathe 0:58:39.120 --> 0:58:42.240 when you're under water, So controlling your breath over the 0:58:42.280 --> 0:58:45.680 course of eighty two one hundred and three offensive possessions 0:58:45.680 --> 0:58:47.680 in a game, you have to be able to, like 0:58:47.960 --> 0:58:50.840 learn how to breathe. Yeah, all those moments and stuff 0:58:50.840 --> 0:58:53.000 like that. I work with so many kids, you'd be 0:58:53.040 --> 0:58:55.640 surprised how many hold their breath when they do things. 0:58:55.920 --> 0:58:58.960 It's like, guys, guys like you have to learn teams 0:58:59.000 --> 0:59:02.360 yourself how to breathe because it's it's a long game. 0:59:02.520 --> 0:59:04.880 It's a really long game here, and if you're not 0:59:05.200 --> 0:59:07.000 when the ball goes out of bounds, you're not taking 0:59:07.040 --> 0:59:09.439 two or three deep breaths when you're there's a free throw, 0:59:09.440 --> 0:59:11.360 You're not catching your breath, You're not doing any of that. 0:59:11.600 --> 0:59:13.280 Eventually your body just wears. 0:59:13.000 --> 0:59:15.480 Out, wears out, and then the fourth quarter you're gonna 0:59:15.480 --> 0:59:16.920 get to your toast. 0:59:17.000 --> 0:59:19.240 Yeah, I'm a big I'm a big Jalen Brown fan 0:59:19.360 --> 0:59:23.360 like his uh. I loved his approach. He always believed 0:59:23.400 --> 0:59:25.720 that he was gonna be great man. He always wasn't 0:59:25.720 --> 0:59:29.240 just talk like he worked And so like, if I'm 0:59:29.360 --> 0:59:32.400 I I that's all I care about when it comes 0:59:32.440 --> 0:59:34.600 to my athletes that I like and look up to. 0:59:35.200 --> 0:59:36.920 Are you a worker? Are you doing what you're like? 0:59:36.960 --> 0:59:38.960 You might have a good game of bad game. You 0:59:39.040 --> 0:59:41.120 might do this and that on the court off the court, 0:59:41.160 --> 0:59:43.320 but like, if you have a consistency with your work, 0:59:43.360 --> 0:59:45.520 I like I I look at that and say, like 0:59:45.560 --> 0:59:48.640 that's something that you should follow that this is a job. 0:59:48.760 --> 0:59:49.440 Yeah for sure. 0:59:49.680 --> 0:59:51.520 You know, we were getting paid a lot of money 0:59:52.040 --> 0:59:53.840 to do something we love. 0:59:54.040 --> 0:59:56.560 Yeah, why not do the most you can? For sure? 0:59:56.680 --> 1:00:00.880 And out here I do feel like it's different. Sports 1:00:00.880 --> 1:00:04.520 are different, Like there is a sense that you have 1:00:04.600 --> 1:00:08.000 to it's okay. There's two things. There's the fans that 1:00:08.120 --> 1:00:11.160 go in the current climate of the of the sports 1:00:11.200 --> 1:00:14.200 in the New England area. And there's also like the 1:00:14.240 --> 1:00:17.160 people of the past who have done it before and 1:00:17.200 --> 1:00:19.120 you have to live up to that legacy. So there's 1:00:19.160 --> 1:00:22.440 two things going on. So it's it takes yourself like 1:00:22.520 --> 1:00:24.880 a little bit out of the equation. I really felt 1:00:24.920 --> 1:00:27.160 this year, and I think coach Joe Mizzoula did a 1:00:27.200 --> 1:00:29.840 really good job of it. Is he made it about 1:00:29.880 --> 1:00:34.120 like the Celtic legacy, the Celtic fan and the New 1:00:34.120 --> 1:00:36.880 England area. And when you start playing for things more 1:00:36.920 --> 1:00:39.280 than yourself and you work for things more than yourself, 1:00:39.440 --> 1:00:42.360 then I think you get further than just working for yourself. 1:00:42.480 --> 1:00:46.760 Yeah, that's well, very well said. That's very well said. 1:00:47.320 --> 1:00:50.800 I mean when I got here, I just hated fucking 1:00:50.840 --> 1:00:53.520 here in Belichick talk about the other three Super Bowls 1:00:53.520 --> 1:00:55.280 they won before we want so. 1:00:55.280 --> 1:00:58.400 I was like, fuck that? How much? How often? Like daily? 1:00:58.800 --> 1:00:59.480 On the daily? 1:01:00.280 --> 1:01:02.880 He would just it wouldn't be daily, but he'd always 1:01:02.920 --> 1:01:06.960 show an example, you know of like if there's a 1:01:07.800 --> 1:01:12.360 tackle t a TG pool play and we didn't you know, 1:01:12.880 --> 1:01:14.040 blow it up the right way. 1:01:14.080 --> 1:01:17.280 He'd bring up anythink Bruski did it like that, he'd 1:01:17.320 --> 1:01:19.680 throw it, you know what I mean? And you know so. 1:01:19.800 --> 1:01:23.480 But there is that standard and there's that legacy, especially 1:01:23.520 --> 1:01:25.560 in this city for sure, you know, in this area 1:01:25.720 --> 1:01:28.320 that you have to live up to for sure, you 1:01:28.360 --> 1:01:31.240 know forever. All right, Jackie, let's set the stage. 1:01:31.280 --> 1:01:33.080 All right, We're gonna want to get into these Pistons. 1:01:33.160 --> 1:01:34.120 It's game time, Baby. 1:01:34.800 --> 1:01:37.120 This was a Pistons team that went fifty four and 1:01:37.200 --> 1:01:40.160 twenty eight, first year of the Larry Brown era up 1:01:40.200 --> 1:01:43.200 there in Detroit. Brown got swept by the Nets in 1:01:43.240 --> 1:01:46.680 the previous playoffs the year before, and they had the 1:01:46.720 --> 1:01:48.040 second overall pick this year. 1:01:48.400 --> 1:01:51.560 Dark O Baby said that it was the Wallace trade. 1:01:51.880 --> 1:01:55.200 Yeah, she washed the difference maker. Yeah, turned the turned 1:01:55.240 --> 1:01:55.760 them around. 1:01:56.760 --> 1:01:59.520 Started the year thirty three and sixteen, struggled a little 1:01:59.520 --> 1:02:02.240 bit in febus, but then got new life when Rashid 1:02:02.280 --> 1:02:05.240 came on over won sixteen to nineteen after that trade. 1:02:05.960 --> 1:02:09.360 Tough defense like those like those bad Boys teams always got. 1:02:09.520 --> 1:02:11.720 This is an all time tough guy team too. 1:02:11.720 --> 1:02:14.720 I feel like, yeah, they when they hit their stride, 1:02:14.800 --> 1:02:17.520 it was the best defensive team I've ever played against man. 1:02:17.640 --> 1:02:20.400 But it was like they were just they had everything 1:02:20.440 --> 1:02:22.800 you could want in a defensive team, and they're smart, 1:02:22.840 --> 1:02:25.040 they're physical, Like they had guys coming off the bench, 1:02:25.120 --> 1:02:28.120 so going like at time when they got Rashid Wallace, 1:02:28.160 --> 1:02:30.120 it took a little bit of time, but once they 1:02:30.200 --> 1:02:31.720 hit their stride. I think they had a stretch of 1:02:31.760 --> 1:02:34.760 games where they didn't give up more than eighty points. 1:02:35.040 --> 1:02:37.080 It was like seventeen games in a row or some 1:02:37.120 --> 1:02:39.680 crazy number, and we were two of those games. So 1:02:39.880 --> 1:02:43.040 these guys were so good and things that they did 1:02:43.240 --> 1:02:45.720 were really difficult to go against. 1:02:45.880 --> 1:02:47.600 No, I mean these like this is a team of 1:02:47.640 --> 1:02:52.360 like we were watching the tape bag like Chauncey Billups, Remulton, 1:02:52.720 --> 1:02:56.760 Tayshawn Prince, Ben Wallace, Rashid while it's like this is 1:02:56.800 --> 1:02:59.120 a classic Pistons are team, I. 1:02:59.040 --> 1:03:03.080 Mean this classic. They want a championship. Yes, this was 1:03:03.120 --> 1:03:07.240 a crazy era. And then what could you see Larry 1:03:07.280 --> 1:03:10.240 Brown evolve this team in the year that you saw 1:03:10.280 --> 1:03:12.920 that as well? Yeah, Larry Brown is like a teacher 1:03:13.360 --> 1:03:17.360 and he loves defense, and it was like perfect and 1:03:17.400 --> 1:03:20.080 you could tell, like you could tell the players love 1:03:20.160 --> 1:03:23.360 Larry Brown. And so when you have a hard ass 1:03:23.400 --> 1:03:26.960 coach and the players like run through a wall for him, 1:03:27.120 --> 1:03:30.120 that's a dangerous thing to go against because there's like 1:03:30.160 --> 1:03:32.520 a lot of hard asses where the coaches the players 1:03:32.560 --> 1:03:35.680 can check that shit out, right, But these guys, for 1:03:35.720 --> 1:03:40.440 whatever reason, they love Larry Brown. And so it was. 1:03:40.080 --> 1:03:42.640 And he's a good coach. He's a tough coach and 1:03:42.680 --> 1:03:45.600 he loves to teach. I did all the pre draft workouts. 1:03:45.840 --> 1:03:48.720 I went twenty seven pre draft workouts. I did some twice. 1:03:49.440 --> 1:03:52.080 I learned more about basketball and that Larry Brown pre 1:03:52.160 --> 1:03:54.840 draft work It wasn't like he was working us out 1:03:54.960 --> 1:03:58.240 to evaluate our talent. He just can't help himself, like 1:03:58.280 --> 1:04:00.400 he wants to teach the game. Yeah, and that was 1:04:00.440 --> 1:04:03.800 when it was in one and that was he was 1:04:03.840 --> 1:04:07.000 with Filly at the time. Yeah, with Iverson. Yeah, I 1:04:07.040 --> 1:04:07.560 mean it's crazy. 1:04:07.600 --> 1:04:10.040 I think Larry Brown been coaching since nineteen sixty something 1:04:10.040 --> 1:04:13.520 like sixty five and was coaching Memphis with Penny up 1:04:13.600 --> 1:04:14.640 until a couple of years ago. 1:04:15.360 --> 1:04:18.600 Lifer Man, Lifer, that's one of those coaches for life. 1:04:18.800 --> 1:04:22.280 And speaking of coaches, this team had two future head coaches, 1:04:22.520 --> 1:04:25.120 Darvin Ham with the Lakers and Hubert Davis with You 1:04:25.200 --> 1:04:27.439 and c So some more names on this team. 1:04:27.800 --> 1:04:30.680 Wow, smart dudes. So we were talking. You said, Rashid 1:04:30.720 --> 1:04:34.040 Wallace was like there he was the final piece. Now piece, 1:04:34.560 --> 1:04:38.360 It's like, don't I uh, I could be wrong, tell 1:04:38.440 --> 1:04:40.640 me if I am. But middle linebacker of you guys, right, 1:04:40.680 --> 1:04:42.439 Like in the middle linebacker kind of sets a tone, 1:04:42.480 --> 1:04:44.200 like he tells he has to call the plays and 1:04:44.240 --> 1:04:47.000 he says the formation. He said, this is what's going on. Like, 1:04:47.080 --> 1:04:49.720 Rashid Wallace has got a great mouth. He's like if 1:04:49.760 --> 1:04:52.480 he's back in the back line, he knows everything that's 1:04:52.480 --> 1:04:54.280 going on and he's talking about it. He ain't just 1:04:54.360 --> 1:04:57.240 quiet or anything like that. He's cerebral. He's smart. He 1:04:57.360 --> 1:04:59.600 stays ahead of the game. And so if you were 1:04:59.640 --> 1:05:02.240 going to on a sideline pick and roll, he'll be like, 1:05:02.360 --> 1:05:05.240 sideline pick and roll, watch pin down week side. You know, 1:05:05.320 --> 1:05:09.240 so you're thinking about you're a guard, you're facing that way. 1:05:09.800 --> 1:05:13.680 I'm Rashid Wallace. I'm telling you, like, hey, sideline pick 1:05:13.720 --> 1:05:15.840 and roll, Jules is gonna be a pin down. Just 1:05:15.840 --> 1:05:17.680 s down his hip and then play would happen and 1:05:17.720 --> 1:05:19.840 he would do it like that and that would be 1:05:19.880 --> 1:05:23.200 every single play. And then when a play did break down. 1:05:23.240 --> 1:05:24.880 He's gifted enough to get up there, block a shot 1:05:24.880 --> 1:05:27.919 and get a rebound. You know, So it's just him defensively, 1:05:28.840 --> 1:05:31.680 it's a difference maker. Ben Wallace is really good. Oh 1:05:31.720 --> 1:05:34.479 but Ben Wallace is more like he's raw and he's 1:05:34.560 --> 1:05:36.440 and he's good and block a shot and a rebound. 1:05:36.480 --> 1:05:39.840 He's tough. Shee Wallace is like, and Garnett's a little 1:05:39.840 --> 1:05:42.000 bit like this. He's like they're spitting out the coverages 1:05:42.040 --> 1:05:45.040 and they're spitting out what's happening before it happens. And 1:05:45.040 --> 1:05:47.760 when you're going against guys like that, you just got 1:05:47.760 --> 1:05:49.920 to be good, Like you're just you're not gonna get open, 1:05:50.120 --> 1:05:51.960 You're not gonna get tricked, You're not gonna do you 1:05:52.120 --> 1:05:54.080 just got to be nasty. You've got to be able 1:05:54.160 --> 1:05:57.080 to make a play when things like you know, go 1:05:57.160 --> 1:05:57.439 to shit. 1:05:57.760 --> 1:06:00.480 Yeah, I mean playing in a locker room scale like 1:06:00.520 --> 1:06:03.560 Genots years later, but with KG and Rashid Wallace, Like, 1:06:04.000 --> 1:06:05.160 how the heck was that? 1:06:06.280 --> 1:06:11.640 So Rashee Wallace that year was phenomenal, like offensively and 1:06:12.440 --> 1:06:14.080 you know, he could carry a team early on he 1:06:14.160 --> 1:06:16.560 was coming off the bench. But you got the true 1:06:16.880 --> 1:06:19.320 sense of it in the playoffs. Right when the playoffs 1:06:19.400 --> 1:06:22.600 rolled around, I was like, whoa, this guy. These two 1:06:22.600 --> 1:06:24.560 guys are on a different level, right, And that was 1:06:24.600 --> 1:06:27.680 a year that we kind of sucked from Christmas Day 1:06:27.720 --> 1:06:30.240 to the end of the season, and then those two 1:06:30.240 --> 1:06:33.640 guys just like like just owned the defense and Kendrick 1:06:33.680 --> 1:06:36.600 Perkins was back there. It was really good defensively. So 1:06:36.960 --> 1:06:39.280 they are the reasons why we kind of coasted all 1:06:39.320 --> 1:06:41.520 the way to the finals and then Perk got hurt 1:06:41.520 --> 1:06:44.240 and we not winning in twenty ten. But you could 1:06:44.680 --> 1:06:48.640 those guys and Garnett's an everyday guy, but Rashie Wallace 1:06:48.720 --> 1:06:51.080 and the levels that he went to is a big 1:06:51.120 --> 1:06:53.200 reason why. And the levels that that group went to, 1:06:53.600 --> 1:06:55.280 it's the reason why we got back to the final. 1:06:55.360 --> 1:06:57.040 I still think if Perk didn't get hurt, we're winning 1:06:57.080 --> 1:06:59.680 that thing. Yeah, I mean Lakers deserved it, Like they 1:06:59.760 --> 1:07:02.160 came out, they they rebounded the ball, they did what 1:07:02.200 --> 1:07:04.280 they needed to do. But but no, it was, uh, 1:07:04.880 --> 1:07:07.520 that was a great series. That was that was It 1:07:07.600 --> 1:07:09.360 went to that series. That was That was when I 1:07:09.360 --> 1:07:12.880 first got here. Damn. It was interesting to see I 1:07:12.920 --> 1:07:15.520 think one guy in particular, Pagasol, right like in two 1:07:15.560 --> 1:07:18.600 thousand and eight, he just wasn't ready for it right, 1:07:18.680 --> 1:07:20.200 and you could tell, like, I don't know if he 1:07:20.280 --> 1:07:22.840 was intimidated by Garnett, he just wasn't ready. But the 1:07:22.880 --> 1:07:25.360 palgasol that he won championships next year and then he's 1:07:25.400 --> 1:07:28.320 coming back to play us. That was a completely different guy. 1:07:28.480 --> 1:07:31.280 And like at the time, I could be pissed about it, 1:07:31.560 --> 1:07:34.720 but like, you got to show respect when a guy 1:07:35.360 --> 1:07:39.080 gets destroyed and comes back and avenges his demons. I 1:07:39.120 --> 1:07:41.480 got nothing but love for that man, even though it 1:07:41.560 --> 1:07:45.160 cost us a championship and whatever whatever it was, But like, yeah, 1:07:45.440 --> 1:07:48.040 back to him, man, Like that's not an easy thing 1:07:48.080 --> 1:07:50.080 to do when you get your ass whooped by a guy, 1:07:50.520 --> 1:07:53.160 Like it's not easy to come back and like eventually 1:07:53.160 --> 1:07:55.960 avenge what happened. It's not. It's not easy. No, a 1:07:55.960 --> 1:07:58.840 lot of people just some most people just walk away 1:07:59.160 --> 1:08:02.040 or they just can't or they just like they're you 1:08:02.200 --> 1:08:04.480 always going to have their number. I'll tell you what. 1:08:04.520 --> 1:08:08.040 In this game before mister big shot Chauncey Billups and 1:08:08.080 --> 1:08:11.320 all that stuff, Jason Kidd owned him and and when 1:08:11.360 --> 1:08:15.000 they got Rashid Wallace, the tide shifted a lot. You 1:08:15.040 --> 1:08:17.400 can look at we swept them. You can just watch 1:08:17.479 --> 1:08:21.679 that matchup. Kid own that matchup. But from this point on, 1:08:22.479 --> 1:08:25.080 and I want to say, like in particular, it felt 1:08:25.080 --> 1:08:28.680 like this year and this game, like from that point on, 1:08:28.920 --> 1:08:32.240 like Billups like did his thing against Kid. But before 1:08:32.280 --> 1:08:35.960 that it was like a drastic difference between the two. 1:08:36.120 --> 1:08:38.120 Kid was getting up in age too. Yeah he had 1:08:38.160 --> 1:08:40.920 to knee. Yeah he was a young kid. 1:08:41.120 --> 1:08:43.960 No, we were playing him, you know, ten years earlier 1:08:44.000 --> 1:08:47.240 in fucking hooping up and shit, or was one NBA 1:08:47.400 --> 1:08:51.320 jam when he was in the Phoenix. I played hooping 1:08:51.400 --> 1:08:52.400 up one year in Oakland. 1:08:52.640 --> 1:08:53.920 Uh you like it? 1:08:54.240 --> 1:08:54.439 Yeah? 1:08:54.479 --> 1:08:56.080 We went to the finals and what you're a hoop 1:08:56.120 --> 1:08:58.439 game like football player playing hoop y? 1:08:58.439 --> 1:09:03.360 Gotcha? Gotcha aggressive? Gotcha? All right? Jackie break down to 1:09:03.400 --> 1:09:04.679 these nets. Yeah, these nets. 1:09:04.760 --> 1:09:08.960 Another awesome defensive team forty seven and thirty five. J 1:09:09.200 --> 1:09:12.080 Kidd of course signed the extension before the season. Also 1:09:12.120 --> 1:09:15.240 had Alonso Morning, but had had to hang it up 1:09:15.920 --> 1:09:18.439 shortly into the season with the kidney condition. But he 1:09:18.479 --> 1:09:19.760 stayed on the bench all year, right. 1:09:20.200 --> 1:09:23.120 Ooh, I'm not sure if he was there at the end. 1:09:23.000 --> 1:09:24.840 Okay, because I feel like he was. I feel like 1:09:24.880 --> 1:09:26.479 he was in street clothes on the bench for this one, 1:09:26.479 --> 1:09:30.439 but maybe he was. Maybe he was, but more resilient 1:09:30.520 --> 1:09:33.799 this team with changing head coaches. After forty two games, 1:09:34.040 --> 1:09:36.240 Byron Scott got fired and they brought Lawrence Frank. 1:09:36.320 --> 1:09:39.320 I like Byron and I Lawrence, but I was like, it 1:09:39.360 --> 1:09:44.759 was our third year together, two finals, and now like 1:09:44.960 --> 1:09:47.360 they were starting to see some cracks in the armor. Right, 1:09:47.400 --> 1:09:49.240 whatever it was, we were just a five hundred team 1:09:49.320 --> 1:09:51.800 and whatever the reason, you can see twenty two and 1:09:51.840 --> 1:09:55.080 twenty and they decided to make a coaching change. 1:09:55.479 --> 1:09:58.600 I've never been around a coaching change, let alone in 1:09:58.640 --> 1:10:01.320 the NBA. Coach comes in in the middle of a 1:10:01.360 --> 1:10:02.040 fucking season. 1:10:02.040 --> 1:10:04.760 He was the assistant coach, so he so is he 1:10:04.960 --> 1:10:07.280 just run the same shit you guys are running, or 1:10:07.680 --> 1:10:11.120 little like just a little bit more counters. Lawrence is 1:10:11.200 --> 1:10:15.439 really prepared. He was really prepared. He kind of took 1:10:15.479 --> 1:10:18.920 over and like if it's just our scout, our scouts 1:10:18.960 --> 1:10:21.360 were longer. Everything was like that, right, and I think, 1:10:22.160 --> 1:10:24.880 you know, like I liked the simplicity in which Byron 1:10:24.920 --> 1:10:26.960 Scott coached that, like he really wanted to get the 1:10:26.960 --> 1:10:28.960 ball to the kid and run, really wanted to run 1:10:28.960 --> 1:10:31.040 the offense simply and just like make plays, you know, 1:10:31.160 --> 1:10:32.960 like I like that. I like that a lot. We 1:10:33.000 --> 1:10:36.680 started fourteen and oh right, but after that we were 1:10:36.680 --> 1:10:38.840 just five hundred, you know, so we just had a 1:10:38.840 --> 1:10:41.600 really good like we really perked up fourteen and oh 1:10:41.640 --> 1:10:43.719 it's hard to do. Yeah, you get a new coach, 1:10:43.720 --> 1:10:47.559 it's hard to do. And so but we were battle tested, 1:10:47.720 --> 1:10:50.240 like Richard Jefferson was coming to his own. Kenyon Martin 1:10:50.280 --> 1:10:54.120 was awesome. You know. I think really what this came 1:10:54.160 --> 1:10:56.680 down to and the reason why we lost, I think 1:10:56.720 --> 1:10:58.360 a lot of it had to do with this game 1:10:58.439 --> 1:11:02.000 and we went to triple overtime and kids knee it 1:11:02.120 --> 1:11:05.320 just couldn't recover after game five, Like he just wasn't 1:11:05.320 --> 1:11:07.680 the same guy in six, and he really wasn't the 1:11:07.680 --> 1:11:11.200 same guy in seven. You got knee problems on that 1:11:11.320 --> 1:11:14.320 hard court. That's a lot, yeah, cause you got to 1:11:14.320 --> 1:11:17.720 play both ends, not even but just the impact. You know, 1:11:17.800 --> 1:11:20.360 you can't you can't like like you can't go to 1:11:20.400 --> 1:11:22.439 the sideline with the defenses on the field and like 1:11:22.840 --> 1:11:25.439 get it right, yeah, you know, or activation like you're 1:11:25.479 --> 1:11:26.000 just in the game. 1:11:26.080 --> 1:11:29.639 You're in Yeah, now can you can you for gen 1:11:29.760 --> 1:11:32.360 Z listeners, can you sum up how this net team 1:11:33.479 --> 1:11:37.200 was what was there like Camp now? Who's their team 1:11:37.280 --> 1:11:40.200 camp now? Because it I mean, you guys went to 1:11:40.240 --> 1:11:41.120 the finals last year. 1:11:41.640 --> 1:11:44.960 Well, like early on we were a fast breaking team, 1:11:45.080 --> 1:11:47.479 like so you could say we were like the Phoenix 1:11:47.479 --> 1:11:51.559 Suns back in the day, right, But we were a 1:11:51.560 --> 1:11:54.240 good defensive team that kind of like struck like. We 1:11:54.240 --> 1:11:58.800 were really versatile and switchable. So that's good in the 1:11:58.840 --> 1:12:00.479 in the league, so you don't have to be in rotation. 1:12:01.120 --> 1:12:03.679 And then offensively, we just get the ball to the kids, 1:12:03.680 --> 1:12:05.800 so it'd be rebound, kid and go, so we'd get 1:12:05.840 --> 1:12:09.000 a lot of easy baskets in transition. Kittles was a flyer, 1:12:09.080 --> 1:12:11.559 Jefferson was a flyer, Keny Martin was a flyer. We 1:12:11.640 --> 1:12:15.000 just had guys like that, so that that kind of 1:12:15.000 --> 1:12:17.280 stummed up a team. Not a great half court team, 1:12:17.320 --> 1:12:21.600 not a great executing team, just didn't didn't shoot it 1:12:21.640 --> 1:12:24.400 well enough, didn't execute well enough, whatever the reason, but 1:12:24.920 --> 1:12:28.439 really good in transition and really good defensively, create steals, 1:12:28.479 --> 1:12:31.920 create have it great turnovers and go what are these 1:12:32.000 --> 1:12:34.960 what are these new Jersey fans? Like? How's that prudential? 1:12:35.240 --> 1:12:39.519 It's funny. It started out nothing and as it became 1:12:39.560 --> 1:12:41.200 a thing like they would show up for the playoffs. 1:12:41.240 --> 1:12:43.000 But when they showed up for the playoffs, he was loud, 1:12:43.080 --> 1:12:46.120 you know, great, But it wasn't like I remember playing 1:12:46.120 --> 1:12:48.200 in the games and I first got there, it'd be 1:12:48.240 --> 1:12:50.240 like five thousand people there, and like, you never see 1:12:50.240 --> 1:12:52.280 five thousand people in the NBA game. Yeah, I mean 1:12:52.280 --> 1:12:53.840 I don't. I don't care how bad you are. We 1:12:53.920 --> 1:12:55.599 have the best record in the league and it just 1:12:55.640 --> 1:12:58.080 starts to pick up. So it's just just a different 1:12:58.120 --> 1:13:00.639 We were at the Continental Airlines Arena, like right by 1:13:00.760 --> 1:13:03.400 met Life and some shopping mall now or something like that, 1:13:03.439 --> 1:13:06.200 and so but yeah, you don't. You just don't see 1:13:06.720 --> 1:13:10.400 like half full arenas anymore, right, So I think that's 1:13:10.479 --> 1:13:13.479 kind of started. But you know, kid was great to watch, 1:13:13.479 --> 1:13:17.240 and I think people liked watching us play because we 1:13:17.240 --> 1:13:19.519 were fast. That's what they liked about it. 1:13:19.640 --> 1:13:23.240 Richard Jefferson, man, he this is young Richard Jefferson too. 1:13:23.280 --> 1:13:25.960 He was a flyer. Like you said, yeah, pack. 1:13:25.840 --> 1:13:30.439 Ten guy, Arizona, right, he went Arizona, Dyeah, pack twelve. Now, 1:13:30.479 --> 1:13:32.040 how sad is that packed twelve? 1:13:32.680 --> 1:13:35.600 I don't pack once. Once you go to college and 1:13:35.640 --> 1:13:40.080 start and it's not just the institutions, the money, the players. 1:13:40.080 --> 1:13:43.120 It's like, it's not college anymore. It's pro. It's pro. 1:13:43.479 --> 1:13:46.519 It's pro. Kids are staying in high school for like 1:13:46.680 --> 1:13:49.200 six years and then going to prep school just so 1:13:49.280 --> 1:13:50.960 they can get some nil money when they get there, 1:13:50.960 --> 1:13:52.800 because like some eighteen year old kid is not getting 1:13:52.800 --> 1:13:55.639 in IL money. So it's it's way different now. 1:13:55.880 --> 1:13:59.760 But no Pac twelve rip. I'm West Coast kid. Loved it, 1:14:00.240 --> 1:14:03.800 loved watching. When I got out here, I'd put on 1:14:03.960 --> 1:14:06.880 fucking you know, the a PAC twelve game that started 1:14:06.880 --> 1:14:09.800 at ten eleven o'clock at night. Bill Walton's over here 1:14:09.840 --> 1:14:16.200 talking about fucking mushroom. I love Bill. I love Bill Walton. 1:14:16.400 --> 1:14:19.200 Watch He's great. All right, pe You got any Bill 1:14:19.240 --> 1:14:24.080 Walton Star? Yeah? Because Bill Bill was a friend because 1:14:24.439 --> 1:14:26.400 he would come and do all the games, right, so 1:14:26.439 --> 1:14:29.800 we get to know him. And then, uh, funny thing 1:14:30.080 --> 1:14:32.280 one time I was at All Star and we interviewed 1:14:32.280 --> 1:14:35.000 Bill Walton, right, So like this interview has been great. 1:14:35.040 --> 1:14:36.920 We're going back and forth. You say something, I say 1:14:36.960 --> 1:14:40.000 something with Billy. See, so Bill, how is man? My 1:14:40.160 --> 1:14:44.120 life is so great? That's the greatest life I've ever had. 1:14:44.560 --> 1:14:46.840 At this point in time, I couldn't live a greater 1:14:46.960 --> 1:14:49.479 life than this. And I think back to the days 1:14:49.520 --> 1:14:52.760 of John Wooden and his life. It was great and 1:14:52.800 --> 1:14:54.960 he made my life great. And he just went off 1:14:54.960 --> 1:14:58.559 for like twenty seven minutes. Yeah you're Bill Walton. Impression 1:14:58.600 --> 1:15:04.759 is bi and you're like, like, what was like playing 1:15:04.800 --> 1:15:09.120 in Boston? Boston is the greatest city to ever have 1:15:09.160 --> 1:15:12.880 a basketball team. And if I never ever thought I 1:15:12.880 --> 1:15:14.639 would ever finish the sheets, and I finished the sheets 1:15:14.640 --> 1:15:17.639 in two times and both those times I was blessed 1:15:17.720 --> 1:15:19.720 enough to win a championship, and one of them is 1:15:19.840 --> 1:15:28.799 right here in Boston. It's it's easy, like the easiest 1:15:28.840 --> 1:15:31.519 interview ever is and you have to interrupt him. You 1:15:31.560 --> 1:15:33.599 have to be like wait till he stops, and like Phil, 1:15:33.640 --> 1:15:35.800 tell me about this guy and he'll go on to 1:15:35.880 --> 1:15:39.280 the next He was great. He's like you know what 1:15:39.880 --> 1:15:42.200 you know what you do and you interview him and 1:15:42.240 --> 1:15:44.280 you go away and be like, man, I gotta be happier, 1:15:44.560 --> 1:15:48.240 Like I just got to be a happier dude. That's 1:15:48.280 --> 1:15:49.559 why I love to listen to him. 1:15:49.920 --> 1:15:56.280 Get bitch at work all day throwing pack twelve games. 1:15:55.080 --> 1:15:59.080 Missing bro, when is this white Mamba nickname come along. 1:15:59.120 --> 1:16:02.080 Oh my gosh. So I uh was in Chicago, right, 1:16:02.160 --> 1:16:04.920 and and the guy who does my job for the 1:16:04.960 --> 1:16:08.759 Celtics is Stacey King. And so what I did. Kobe 1:16:08.800 --> 1:16:10.840 had this commercial where he just like, there's this car 1:16:10.920 --> 1:16:12.559 going down the street and he jumps over a car. 1:16:12.600 --> 1:16:14.000 I don't know if he did or didn't, but that's 1:16:14.040 --> 1:16:17.439 what it looked like, right. So, and I loved his shoes, 1:16:17.479 --> 1:16:19.920 like I just all I hooped in is Kobe's right, 1:16:20.080 --> 1:16:23.360 I loved it them. Yeah, they're great, phenomenal. Right, So 1:16:24.280 --> 1:16:27.479 I came and made a pair, and they're like they 1:16:27.520 --> 1:16:30.200 got like a snake skin on him right now, everyone's 1:16:30.200 --> 1:16:32.479 where I think they're the Kobe six's. And so I 1:16:32.520 --> 1:16:36.120 made him their white white snake skin, a couple of laces. 1:16:36.160 --> 1:16:38.040 Red I was playing for the Bulls. I slapped him 1:16:38.040 --> 1:16:39.880 down on the on the card table in the plane. 1:16:39.920 --> 1:16:41.160 I don't know what kind of planes you guys flying, 1:16:41.200 --> 1:16:43.519 but we have card tables right where people face each 1:16:43.520 --> 1:16:45.800 other slap him down, like, man, he is the white Mamba. 1:16:45.880 --> 1:16:48.560 One point ohs right, that's all I said. And I 1:16:48.600 --> 1:16:50.679 take him and I go to the back. So that game, 1:16:50.920 --> 1:16:53.320 we fly to DC I have a good game and 1:16:53.400 --> 1:16:56.000 Stacey King just goes off like, oh, the White Mamba, 1:16:56.320 --> 1:16:58.680 the man, the myth, the legend, like this is the 1:16:58.720 --> 1:17:01.520 White Mamba. And by the time I got back to Chicago, 1:17:02.040 --> 1:17:05.840 like White Mambo was hysteria, Like there were T shirts, 1:17:06.360 --> 1:17:09.720 there were giant heads with like a snake body like 1:17:09.920 --> 1:17:11.320 you know, cause it was like a thing like put 1:17:11.320 --> 1:17:12.680 me in the game at the end of the game, right, 1:17:13.200 --> 1:17:15.200 And the only thing I really I don't regret a lot, 1:17:15.240 --> 1:17:18.040 but I do regret this. Like when I was here 1:17:18.080 --> 1:17:20.640 in Boston and the crowd would cheer for me to 1:17:20.720 --> 1:17:23.320 go in, I didn't like embrace it. I was always like, 1:17:23.760 --> 1:17:26.160 you know, like you guys should be cheering for Garnet 1:17:26.280 --> 1:17:27.840 and all this stuff, right, but I knew I was 1:17:27.880 --> 1:17:31.280 getting up there in age. So in Chicago, man, I 1:17:31.439 --> 1:17:34.280 really embraced it. Like I didn't care what the score was. 1:17:34.360 --> 1:17:35.760 I was going out there to get a bucket, right, 1:17:35.800 --> 1:17:38.160 I'm getting a bucket for the people. I'm shooting the 1:17:38.200 --> 1:17:41.240 bad shot I'm doing. I'm telling the best player, yo, 1:17:41.360 --> 1:17:43.559 clear out, Yo, set me a screen right here, like 1:17:43.600 --> 1:17:45.680 I'm going all in on this, and I'm like, you 1:17:45.720 --> 1:17:47.559 got to give the people what they want, right, So 1:17:47.600 --> 1:17:49.960 then Thibodeau will be walking up and down. He's always gruffy, 1:17:50.640 --> 1:17:52.600 and he would look back and I'm like that we 1:17:52.720 --> 1:17:56.840 up twenty let's go. Come on, man, you know these 1:17:56.880 --> 1:17:58.960 people ain't going They're gonna keepooing you until you put 1:17:59.000 --> 1:18:01.040 me in, right, Like, I'm all all in on air, right. 1:18:01.640 --> 1:18:05.800 That is something I would never do, never do before, right, 1:18:05.880 --> 1:18:08.280 But now I'm like, man, like you got it. This 1:18:08.360 --> 1:18:11.439 is like, you have to understand. The people want to 1:18:11.479 --> 1:18:13.200 see me at the end of game. They don't care 1:18:13.240 --> 1:18:16.040 about Derrick Rose at that point. This is what is 1:18:16.040 --> 1:18:22.320 about formation scall in exactly, exactly exactly. And then, like 1:18:22.360 --> 1:18:24.680 he looked at the score, I'm like, twenty two. If 1:18:24.680 --> 1:18:29.080 you didn't know how to do the map, it's easy. 1:18:29.400 --> 1:18:31.240 Now put me in it. Put me in. 1:18:31.439 --> 1:18:34.400 It's such an epic it's it's an epic nick name. 1:18:34.840 --> 1:18:37.599 I love using it too. Yeah, it's good, So good Jack, 1:18:37.720 --> 1:18:38.400 Let's get the game. 1:18:38.520 --> 1:18:40.120 Leading up to this game, we touched on it a 1:18:40.160 --> 1:18:43.400 little bit earlier, but the Nets swept the Stephan Marbury 1:18:43.479 --> 1:18:45.680 Nicks in the first round. The Pistons got by the 1:18:45.720 --> 1:18:48.479 Bucks four to one. Starberry shout out of Starberry, uh, 1:18:49.040 --> 1:18:52.080 and then they each they held court at home. Pistons 1:18:52.080 --> 1:18:53.240 won the first two in Detroit. 1:18:53.400 --> 1:18:59.479 But go to that eighty eight sixty half time that 1:19:00.000 --> 1:19:04.360 we have time score, that is we had. So you 1:19:04.360 --> 1:19:07.800 see how like we a lot of people like going 1:19:07.840 --> 1:19:09.679 into the games like, man, we can't beat this team, 1:19:09.760 --> 1:19:12.679 right because we had fifty six points and eighty points, 1:19:12.720 --> 1:19:14.680 but then we bounce back, right, So that's where we're 1:19:14.680 --> 1:19:15.120 at right now. 1:19:15.560 --> 1:19:15.680 Oh. 1:19:16.080 --> 1:19:18.320 I know it's a different era and it's pre the 1:19:18.320 --> 1:19:21.240 proliferation threes, but holding a team to fifty six points 1:19:21.520 --> 1:19:23.920 in an NBA game is just like I know, I'm 1:19:23.960 --> 1:19:24.960 I'm thinking nowadays. 1:19:24.960 --> 1:19:28.360 But if you watch the playoffs, right, and you watch 1:19:28.520 --> 1:19:32.360 when the refs allow physical play for everyone, it's fine. 1:19:32.439 --> 1:19:34.800 I don't I know that the players now are better. 1:19:34.840 --> 1:19:37.400 I'm not stupid, Like everybody knows they're better, and you 1:19:37.479 --> 1:19:40.439 talk about the escapes or whatever it is, right, but 1:19:40.960 --> 1:19:44.920 when you watch, if the refs call a physical game, 1:19:45.080 --> 1:19:47.160 the scores aren't going to be like this, right, but 1:19:47.200 --> 1:19:50.320 they're gonna be under one hundred points because physical play 1:19:50.960 --> 1:19:54.080 leads to like a grimy game. You don't you don't 1:19:54.080 --> 1:19:56.640 sprint up the floor. It's harder to get open, Like 1:19:56.680 --> 1:20:00.000 there's a lot that goes into it. And so back then, 1:20:00.400 --> 1:20:03.080 game was physical, so it's hard to score, and I 1:20:03.120 --> 1:20:08.680 think I like it. I I'd rather watch seventy eight 1:20:08.920 --> 1:20:12.240 eighty than watch one forty one thirty five. That's just 1:20:12.320 --> 1:20:14.799 me though, Like I'm waking up and down jacking up shots. 1:20:14.800 --> 1:20:17.840 That's fine, But I like I like watching physical play 1:20:18.080 --> 1:20:21.640 and everything being hard and tough and difficult. Just like 1:20:22.200 --> 1:20:24.320 when when you guys run to plan and you get 1:20:24.360 --> 1:20:27.000 five yards, that's a big play. It's like, man, we 1:20:27.040 --> 1:20:29.360 had to work hard for that five yards. We have 1:20:29.439 --> 1:20:32.320 to work hard for buckets. When we score fifty six 1:20:32.360 --> 1:20:35.360 points and lose seventy eight to fifty six, yeah they're 1:20:35.400 --> 1:20:38.400 both getting paid, and yeah you're going to get suros 1:20:39.680 --> 1:20:43.040 buggets here, no possession, buttons buckets. 1:20:43.280 --> 1:20:44.760 Should we get into this game a little bit here, 1:20:44.840 --> 1:20:46.840 let's go all right, So we start off. This thing 1:20:46.960 --> 1:20:49.519 was back and forth pretty much all game, especially in 1:20:49.520 --> 1:20:51.840 the first half again another one of these these halves. 1:20:51.880 --> 1:20:54.080 We were talking about forty four to forty three at 1:20:54.080 --> 1:20:56.479 the half, Uh, the nets are behind. 1:20:56.960 --> 1:20:59.800 Then we fast forward to the fourth quarner when the 1:20:59.800 --> 1:21:00.960 act really gets going. 1:21:01.320 --> 1:21:02.280 The eighties. 1:21:02.439 --> 1:21:05.120 Nets are up eighty seven eighty five or thirteen seconds left. 1:21:05.360 --> 1:21:06.240 Missed three out. 1:21:06.080 --> 1:21:07.120 Of four free throws. 1:21:07.200 --> 1:21:09.800 I know you got the big Richard Jefferson block right 1:21:09.840 --> 1:21:11.720 before that that kind of looks like it got iced it. 1:21:12.240 --> 1:21:15.719 And then Chauncey comes down and nails a forty three 1:21:15.760 --> 1:21:17.160 footer at the buzzer. 1:21:17.240 --> 1:21:21.040 Yeah. So going into up to this point, right, I 1:21:21.120 --> 1:21:24.839 played in the first half, right, and I got four points. Yeah, 1:21:24.880 --> 1:21:26.639 And I like, by the way, that's my role, that's 1:21:26.760 --> 1:21:29.439 I was. I'm good with that. And I played really 1:21:29.479 --> 1:21:33.240 well against the net the knicks, and now like I 1:21:33.560 --> 1:21:35.760 made two buckets. So I'm like, look, I did my 1:21:35.880 --> 1:21:40.000 job right, and I if everyone is good and healthy, 1:21:40.040 --> 1:21:41.680 I'm not playing in the second half. That's just how 1:21:41.680 --> 1:21:44.920 it goes, right, And then you know, you keep going 1:21:44.920 --> 1:21:47.479 and the Chauncey Billups, we're about to ic the deal. 1:21:47.520 --> 1:21:49.479 All we gotta do is make one free throw in 1:21:49.560 --> 1:21:52.080 Chauncey billups a half court shot. Now we're going to overtime. 1:21:52.160 --> 1:21:55.120 And you know, I'm well aware of the fouls, just 1:21:55.120 --> 1:21:57.600 like you're well aware of the third downs, right, So 1:21:57.680 --> 1:22:00.439 I'm well aware of the fowls and I'm like all right, 1:22:00.560 --> 1:22:02.840 so i gotta stay locked in and I'm ready, but 1:22:02.880 --> 1:22:06.400 I'm not I'm not scared. I'm like, I'm not scared 1:22:06.400 --> 1:22:08.360 of the moment and it's game five, and I'm not 1:22:08.400 --> 1:22:10.639 scared of the magnitude of it. And I'm not scared 1:22:10.680 --> 1:22:12.519 that the pisions are a beast like it's hard to 1:22:12.520 --> 1:22:15.040 score on them. I'm like, if this does now, I'm 1:22:15.080 --> 1:22:19.000 not rooting for Kenya Martin or Rodney Rogers or Aaron 1:22:19.040 --> 1:22:21.760 Williams to get in foul trouble at this point, I'm 1:22:21.800 --> 1:22:25.360 not rooting for them, but I'm ready if it does happen. Yeah, 1:22:25.400 --> 1:22:26.800 you got it. That's what you have to have, that 1:22:26.880 --> 1:22:29.160 mindset for sure. And eight eight guys fouled out in 1:22:29.200 --> 1:22:35.640 this game. Physical, physical, physical. That is a scrappy matcheah. 1:22:34.840 --> 1:22:37.719 Oh big time. And this is just the end of regulation. 1:22:37.960 --> 1:22:41.400 We got three overtimes left, get to the third overtime. 1:22:41.920 --> 1:22:45.200 The big three at the corner forty one seconds left, 1:22:45.400 --> 1:22:47.599 scoal nails it to put the nail on the coffin. 1:22:47.640 --> 1:22:49.400 Mark, So let me, let me, let me free wind 1:22:49.439 --> 1:22:51.519 a little bit. Let me tell you so I think 1:22:51.560 --> 1:22:54.400 it was Rodney Rogers. This is the funniest shit, right, 1:22:54.560 --> 1:22:57.599 this is the funniest shit. Rodney Rogers fouls out right, 1:22:58.160 --> 1:23:01.920 and Lawrence Frank, who I love Lawrence, Right, he's on 1:23:02.040 --> 1:23:04.480 my ass, but I'm back like he was my assistant 1:23:04.520 --> 1:23:07.080 coach when I got to when I got drafted by 1:23:07.080 --> 1:23:09.000 the Nets. He was the one working with me and 1:23:09.120 --> 1:23:11.960 watching film together and riding me every day. Right now 1:23:12.000 --> 1:23:15.920 he's the head coach, right. So Lawrence Frank looks down 1:23:16.080 --> 1:23:20.759 the bench, right, and I'm like, Kenyon's out, Aaron. Rodney 1:23:20.840 --> 1:23:24.200 Rogers just fouled out. There's no one left, right, and 1:23:24.240 --> 1:23:26.960 I'm playing like really good ball, like I'm played well 1:23:27.000 --> 1:23:30.040 against the Knicks. I played. I'm two for two in 1:23:30.080 --> 1:23:33.120 this game, like there's no one else. He looks down 1:23:33.160 --> 1:23:39.240 at me and he goes he was pissed that. I 1:23:39.400 --> 1:23:42.080 was like, that's all I got is Scalabrini. So I 1:23:42.240 --> 1:23:45.720 was like, I was heated. I got fucking heated. At 1:23:45.720 --> 1:23:49.720 that point, I got up and I was like, when 1:23:49.760 --> 1:23:52.599 I talk about heated, I was because in my mind, 1:23:52.600 --> 1:23:55.920 I'm thinking, so I played well against the Knicks. I'm 1:23:55.920 --> 1:23:58.439 two for two in this game. There's nobody else. And 1:23:58.479 --> 1:24:01.320 if you don't believe in me, now you ain't never 1:24:01.360 --> 1:24:02.680 gonna believe in me because I don't know if I 1:24:02.720 --> 1:24:04.720 could play any better than this. I'm being honest, like 1:24:04.760 --> 1:24:06.719 I was cut from the ninth grade in high school. 1:24:06.800 --> 1:24:09.880 Like I'm not sure that I can play any better 1:24:09.920 --> 1:24:11.960 than what I'm doing right now. So if you don't 1:24:12.040 --> 1:24:14.320 like me now, then you just don't like me. Right. 1:24:14.600 --> 1:24:16.960 So I got up. I was heated. So I go 1:24:17.000 --> 1:24:22.439 into the game, and this whole overtime performance, my sole 1:24:22.560 --> 1:24:26.400 focus was was fuck Lawrence Frank for not believing in me. 1:24:26.920 --> 1:24:30.479 So I am killing the pistons with corner threes and everything, 1:24:30.560 --> 1:24:32.679 and I gotta be honest with you. I went and watched. 1:24:33.240 --> 1:24:35.000 I didn't see none of them guys out there. I 1:24:35.040 --> 1:24:37.519 didn't see none of the defense out there. I'm knocking 1:24:37.560 --> 1:24:39.960 down threes, and every time I'm flexing, I'm looking and 1:24:39.960 --> 1:24:42.439 I'm thinking of my mind, like this motherfucker didn't believe 1:24:42.479 --> 1:24:44.400 in me. How are you not going to believe in me? 1:24:44.760 --> 1:24:48.519 So this performance was because my coach didn't believe in me. 1:24:49.240 --> 1:24:52.240 Freaking Lawrence Frank when I was playing. When I was playing, 1:24:52.280 --> 1:24:57.960 and it would be like, no, no, he knows about it. 1:24:58.000 --> 1:24:59.720 And that's my boy. He's my boy now and I 1:24:59.720 --> 1:25:03.120 told the story. He cracked up, right, but like like 1:25:03.320 --> 1:25:06.519 it'll be like you got your break. You caught like 1:25:07.240 --> 1:25:10.920 I don't know, uh, eight passes in a game, and 1:25:10.920 --> 1:25:13.000 then third and long came and they're just like, nah, 1:25:13.000 --> 1:25:15.679 you ain't going in the game. You're like, what the fuck? 1:25:16.400 --> 1:25:19.320 This is what I do, dude, this sign Adela. 1:25:20.040 --> 1:25:24.800 That was my career. You're my rookie year, my rookie year. 1:25:25.200 --> 1:25:28.680 I ball out in the playoff game Walker Tours ACL Yeah, 1:25:28.720 --> 1:25:31.200 that's right, and so I balled out. I had two 1:25:31.280 --> 1:25:34.559 touchdowns at like eight catches. We got our fucking teeth 1:25:34.600 --> 1:25:37.960 kicked in by the Ravens that year in the first round. 1:25:38.280 --> 1:25:41.080 All off season, I'm sitting there like like you're saying, oh, 1:25:41.400 --> 1:25:44.320 playing the best, I'm gonna be a fucking baller. I 1:25:44.360 --> 1:25:47.080 have so many more opportunities. I had seven catches for 1:25:47.120 --> 1:25:50.360 the next two years. I mean, I was so fucking pissed. 1:25:51.000 --> 1:25:53.599 Someone had to murder someone, a back injury and some 1:25:53.600 --> 1:25:56.280 broken groins for me to get my goddamn opportunity. 1:25:56.920 --> 1:26:00.840 But I never let it go. No, no, But that 1:26:01.080 --> 1:26:03.679 was like that you had to be thinking, like, dude, 1:26:03.960 --> 1:26:07.160 you had to do exactly any better than what I'm 1:26:07.160 --> 1:26:07.720 doing round now. 1:26:07.720 --> 1:26:11.040 But I know that I know that that coach hate fire. 1:26:11.439 --> 1:26:14.680 Oh yeah, it's real, it's real, it's real. You look 1:26:14.920 --> 1:26:16.960 like I know exactly what you're talking about. 1:26:17.000 --> 1:26:21.320 Yeah, yeah, yeah, this this whole like everyone thinks it's 1:26:21.320 --> 1:26:24.080 the Pistons. And by the way, if it was the Pistons, 1:26:24.080 --> 1:26:26.040 maybe I would have bricked all those shots, right, but 1:26:26.120 --> 1:26:28.840 it wasn't. It was like it was like the fact 1:26:28.840 --> 1:26:32.000 that like I didn't think, I like I really in 1:26:32.040 --> 1:26:33.599 my mind said like, I don't know if I can 1:26:33.960 --> 1:26:35.880 pay any better than what I'm doing, Like I am 1:26:35.920 --> 1:26:37.920 shooting the ship out of the ball right now, right 1:26:38.280 --> 1:26:40.800 my release is fast. I don't know if I can 1:26:40.880 --> 1:26:44.400 play any better. And when he did that, it was 1:26:44.439 --> 1:26:50.680 like this crazy fire goose bumps, like you motherfucker right now, 1:26:50.720 --> 1:26:54.040 I'm gonna I am this this, I'm gonna go off 1:26:54.160 --> 1:26:56.519 right now. What if what if he Jedi mind tricked 1:26:56.560 --> 1:26:58.360 you into that he might know I have to be said, 1:26:58.520 --> 1:27:02.439 I didn't even know I did it. You didn't even 1:27:02.560 --> 1:27:04.920 know that he was like owned it. 1:27:05.200 --> 1:27:05.519 See that. 1:27:05.600 --> 1:27:07.720 Come on, coach, you should have said I did that 1:27:07.760 --> 1:27:09.879 on purpose, because I know I've been working with you 1:27:09.880 --> 1:27:11.639 you played better fucking angry. 1:27:11.720 --> 1:27:14.200 Yeah, well there's no doubt about that. There's no doubt 1:27:14.240 --> 1:27:17.040 about that. So when I knew, let me tell you, 1:27:17.120 --> 1:27:19.880 when like this was the in there, there was this 1:27:20.000 --> 1:27:24.240 fun moment, right, So, and you know, like when you 1:27:24.320 --> 1:27:28.400 play when things are fucking slow, it's you feel like 1:27:28.479 --> 1:27:32.400 your flash Gorge Superman or something like that. So, so 1:27:32.600 --> 1:27:37.480 Kid drove to the basket and it's weird because your mind, 1:27:38.080 --> 1:27:41.280 it thinks in normal speed. You don't actually think slow. 1:27:41.320 --> 1:27:45.679 Your mind thinks, but like the seconds take like five seconds. 1:27:46.040 --> 1:27:48.960 So Kid threw the ball at it like, and I 1:27:49.000 --> 1:27:50.960 had the ball. I was like ready to catch it. 1:27:51.320 --> 1:27:53.240 While the ball was in the air, I could see 1:27:53.240 --> 1:27:57.080 the seams right, and I looked up at the clock 1:27:57.200 --> 1:28:00.200 and I could see the clock switch from two and 1:28:00.280 --> 1:28:02.760 almost like it like you could see it switch to 1:28:02.840 --> 1:28:06.920 one like like that, and I and I go, damn, 1:28:06.960 --> 1:28:08.840 I got to shoot this quickly, Like I'm not going 1:28:08.920 --> 1:28:12.760 to have time to catch it, drop it and shoot it. 1:28:12.800 --> 1:28:14.840 So I'm just gonna catch it high and shoot it. 1:28:14.840 --> 1:28:17.599 So I caught the ball in the air and I 1:28:17.680 --> 1:28:20.280 shot it. So I caught it and I shot it, 1:28:20.360 --> 1:28:25.479 and the ball rattled out and flew out. I walked back. 1:28:25.520 --> 1:28:29.320 I was running back and said, holy shit, I've never 1:28:29.400 --> 1:28:33.559 felt this before. I am fucking in the zone right now, 1:28:33.920 --> 1:28:36.960 and I think I made a three and then that happened, 1:28:37.000 --> 1:28:39.960 So like whatever happened to my mind? Like and I 1:28:40.000 --> 1:28:43.640 think like the studs, the Jordan's the studs, Like, I 1:28:43.680 --> 1:28:45.880 think that's how they live and that's why they do 1:28:45.920 --> 1:28:48.360 the things that are impossible, and it makes it look 1:28:48.400 --> 1:28:51.040 easy to them because I think like everything they do 1:28:51.120 --> 1:28:54.559 is in slow motion. Yeah. So I experienced that too, 1:28:54.680 --> 1:28:58.360 the heighten the highest level one time. Other times I've 1:28:58.360 --> 1:29:00.840 done some things, but that was like I could not 1:29:01.080 --> 1:29:04.559 believe way that way that that transpired. And that was 1:29:04.760 --> 1:29:07.679 when I just shut it off and just went off sky. 1:29:07.920 --> 1:29:10.599 I remember having that zone in basketball in high school once, 1:29:10.840 --> 1:29:13.600 did you. I swear to god, I just one of 1:29:13.600 --> 1:29:17.519 those days where anything you were shooting, everything was and 1:29:18.280 --> 1:29:20.639 I was on like the Frostshoft team, like shitty team 1:29:20.720 --> 1:29:25.320 JV team. But I remember just shooting and like you said, 1:29:25.360 --> 1:29:28.800 I saw the seams of the ball. Yeah, when it metated. 1:29:29.320 --> 1:29:31.200 I remember doing that a couple of times. That was 1:29:31.280 --> 1:29:33.679 that was the what about in football? Saying oh yeah, 1:29:34.120 --> 1:29:37.400 I've been on the zone. You because the spin, like 1:29:37.439 --> 1:29:39.559 for me, it looks like it's spinning, it's fast. 1:29:39.640 --> 1:29:40.200 You was it? 1:29:40.360 --> 1:29:42.360 Yeah, you try and look at the star, you know, 1:29:42.439 --> 1:29:44.960 the very tip of the point of really you try 1:29:44.960 --> 1:29:45.599 to look at that. 1:29:45.960 --> 1:29:47.160 I felt that zone in. 1:29:47.160 --> 1:29:51.559 Super Bowl fifty three, where like I just felt everything. 1:29:51.600 --> 1:29:53.840 Any route I moved, I was bopping everyone. They were 1:29:53.960 --> 1:29:56.360 changing matchups on me. So I was, you know, routing 1:29:56.439 --> 1:29:59.880 up different guys ball like when you pluck the ball 1:30:00.040 --> 1:30:03.200 and it's just I've I've felt that a few times. 1:30:03.280 --> 1:30:07.080 That's like the most euphoria you could ever have, you know, 1:30:07.120 --> 1:30:09.040 when you're in that and you're just it's like like 1:30:09.080 --> 1:30:09.800 a superhero. 1:30:09.840 --> 1:30:13.000 You feel like you're in a superhero. Yeah. That's the best. 1:30:13.040 --> 1:30:16.559 It's the best. Now, Jack, let's get back in heck. Yeah. 1:30:16.680 --> 1:30:18.880 So to wrap this thing up, final score one twenty 1:30:18.920 --> 1:30:23.639 seven one twenty Scale dropped nine and ot RJ finished 1:30:23.640 --> 1:30:28.360 with thirty one h SCALE finished with seventeen, and we 1:30:28.439 --> 1:30:31.600 go back to Jersey up three to two, trying to 1:30:31.600 --> 1:30:32.400 close this thing out. 1:30:32.880 --> 1:30:36.360 Yeah, and then it all went away. I'm sorry. I 1:30:36.400 --> 1:30:39.439 would tell you right now, like what happened is I 1:30:39.520 --> 1:30:42.000 made the scouting report, and I didn't see the hoop 1:30:42.000 --> 1:30:44.800 for the next two games, Like every time I caught 1:30:44.840 --> 1:30:46.880 the ball, it was like they were right there. So 1:30:47.040 --> 1:30:49.840 that's that was it. They didn't let that zone. 1:30:49.880 --> 1:30:49.920 No. 1:30:50.040 --> 1:30:52.760 I was like, I couldn't even see the hoop. I 1:30:52.760 --> 1:30:56.120 couldn't see the hoop. I was afterthought. And then I 1:30:56.200 --> 1:30:59.000 became like a featured guy and it was literally like 1:30:59.640 --> 1:31:03.000 I it and all I thought was people in my face. 1:31:03.120 --> 1:31:05.280 And by you know, four minutes to that, I was 1:31:05.320 --> 1:31:09.599 back to being on the bench man and they and 1:31:09.640 --> 1:31:12.680 they we had a we had a decent lead. We 1:31:12.720 --> 1:31:15.640 had a decent lead in that game, but they just 1:31:15.720 --> 1:31:18.320 chipped away there this game. In the last in game six, 1:31:19.240 --> 1:31:22.679 for like five minutes, no one scored, No one scored. 1:31:22.920 --> 1:31:25.120 It was is back and forth, miss mans, miss man. 1:31:25.160 --> 1:31:29.360 No one could score. And then Richard Hamilton drives left pump, 1:31:29.400 --> 1:31:31.920 fake pump, fake pivot, pump, ke pump, fake pivot, pump, 1:31:31.960 --> 1:31:34.880 fake shoots it over Jason kidd up by six. That 1:31:35.000 --> 1:31:37.759 was it. And then game seven we got smoked. Remember 1:31:37.840 --> 1:31:39.920 that was Rip. That's your boy. 1:31:40.320 --> 1:31:43.240 I saw a Rip at a concert recently. Yeah, well 1:31:43.240 --> 1:31:45.439 he went to Yukon. Yeah, so he's he's like a 1:31:45.439 --> 1:31:48.120 big Pats fan. I guess, oh yeah, And he would 1:31:48.120 --> 1:31:50.200 always say that him and Brady used to hang out 1:31:50.240 --> 1:31:51.240 here and there when they. 1:31:51.120 --> 1:31:54.479 Won the ship this year, got it and what was 1:31:54.520 --> 1:31:57.519 that concert? It was me it was some rap con 1:31:59.120 --> 1:32:02.200 I forget, but he was cool as funck. Yeah I 1:32:02.240 --> 1:32:07.400 played Chicago. Yeah, real lay back, real laid back man, 1:32:07.840 --> 1:32:10.840 and then go ahead. I'm just saying, like later on 1:32:11.200 --> 1:32:14.519 we end up with Boston and played them, and you 1:32:14.520 --> 1:32:18.000 know the ray Allen rip Hamilton both from Yukon battles, 1:32:18.000 --> 1:32:21.519 and both guys come off screens, and I mean ray 1:32:21.560 --> 1:32:24.720 Allen was just fried. Like his whole arms were just 1:32:24.760 --> 1:32:28.840 like rip, like just there's nails and scratches, and like 1:32:28.880 --> 1:32:32.360 those guys are just you, not only it's like it's different, 1:32:32.479 --> 1:32:34.640 like those guys got to run around screens. They got 1:32:34.760 --> 1:32:36.720 to chase each other around screens. But then when you 1:32:36.760 --> 1:32:38.400 do get an open shot, you gotta knock that. You 1:32:38.400 --> 1:32:40.640 gotta knock it down. Yeah, that's that's a hard thing 1:32:40.680 --> 1:32:40.880 to do. 1:32:41.040 --> 1:32:43.720 It's kind of like the field goal. It reminds me 1:32:43.800 --> 1:32:47.839 of a last shot situation we call it in football. Okay, 1:32:48.000 --> 1:32:50.320 It's it's where you have the ball before half, and 1:32:50.360 --> 1:32:52.160 you're trying to suck down as much time as you 1:32:52.200 --> 1:32:53.840 can off the clock so you can get that ten 1:32:53.880 --> 1:32:54.479 point swing. 1:32:54.640 --> 1:32:55.639 You kick the field goal. 1:32:56.080 --> 1:32:58.000 You know, we'd always say, you know, great job of 1:32:58.040 --> 1:33:01.400 executing taking off the time, but it all doesn't mean 1:33:01.439 --> 1:33:02.639 anything unless you make the kick. 1:33:02.760 --> 1:33:06.360 Gotcha, Yeah, I got it. It's like that, like the shot. 1:33:06.720 --> 1:33:09.559 You do all the work for the shot. Gotta make 1:33:09.560 --> 1:33:10.680 the shot. Yeah, I got to hit it. 1:33:10.720 --> 1:33:12.280 Maybe you gotta get around all those screens, got to 1:33:12.320 --> 1:33:13.920 get to your spot, gotta knock you down. 1:33:14.680 --> 1:33:19.280 But was up Jason kidding his knee edge? I know, man, 1:33:19.840 --> 1:33:23.479 I remember that man, he had the microfracture. Yeah, right, 1:33:23.680 --> 1:33:26.200 you put the holes in the marrow bleeds through and 1:33:26.240 --> 1:33:29.120 you create a new cartilage. Right. It's like like he 1:33:29.479 --> 1:33:33.840 he ended up like having a long career. I played 1:33:33.880 --> 1:33:36.920 twenty some years, right, But you should see He'll tell 1:33:36.960 --> 1:33:40.600 you like he does his his preparation auhor for the 1:33:40.600 --> 1:33:43.080 thing that we were talking about earlier, just about I 1:33:43.120 --> 1:33:45.080 got to get in every day and do my preparation 1:33:45.200 --> 1:33:48.040 to play, you know, and he does. As you get older, 1:33:48.560 --> 1:33:51.000 you spend a lot more time just like preparing yourself 1:33:51.040 --> 1:33:53.240 to just to play like twenty minutes. You know, you 1:33:53.240 --> 1:33:55.280 gotta work so much harder when you get older. Yeah, 1:33:55.280 --> 1:33:55.880 but you're smarter. 1:33:56.080 --> 1:33:59.160 Yeah, yeah, I mean that's what I They've tried to 1:33:59.160 --> 1:34:02.400 give me a micro surgery. That's why I retired because 1:34:02.479 --> 1:34:06.880 I was thirty four years old. I saw the whole 1:34:06.920 --> 1:34:10.280 medial side of my knee wore out. Yeah, and so 1:34:10.960 --> 1:34:13.439 I tore the root of my meniscus and that's what 1:34:13.520 --> 1:34:17.200 holds the meniscus down. So they were like, this was 1:34:17.240 --> 1:34:19.519 before my last season. They're like, we can go in 1:34:19.520 --> 1:34:22.400 and we can give you microfracture surgery. It's a twelve 1:34:22.439 --> 1:34:25.360 month recovery, or you can try to play a pain. 1:34:26.520 --> 1:34:29.080 I tried to play the pain and then after that 1:34:29.120 --> 1:34:30.080 I had to hang it up. 1:34:30.080 --> 1:34:34.080 Here's bad. Yeah, with it hard for you at first? 1:34:35.640 --> 1:34:39.719 Yeah, I mean yeah, it was definitely hard because you're 1:34:39.760 --> 1:34:43.559 so accustomed to the routine, the life. I mean, we've 1:34:43.600 --> 1:34:47.040 had the same life since we were eight years old, 1:34:47.080 --> 1:34:49.800 where you go to school, you come home, you go 1:34:49.840 --> 1:34:52.160 to practice, you eat dinner, you do it again. Now 1:34:52.240 --> 1:34:55.280 the school's replaced with football school where you're installing, and 1:34:55.360 --> 1:34:57.400 it's that kind of but I've had that same life 1:34:57.479 --> 1:35:01.559 so of course, you get I was hurt, but I 1:35:01.640 --> 1:35:06.080 was also emotionally and physically exhausted for that year where 1:35:06.120 --> 1:35:09.960 I couldn't even walk until the Friday the next week, 1:35:10.920 --> 1:35:12.120 you know, and then I had to get up to 1:35:12.160 --> 1:35:16.880 play Sunday, and then you know, the anxiety and of 1:35:17.520 --> 1:35:19.920 having the standard that you've put out on the field 1:35:20.080 --> 1:35:23.680 for you know, five seven years at that point when 1:35:23.680 --> 1:35:26.800 I was in my you know, my prime to like, 1:35:27.160 --> 1:35:29.120 you don't even look like the same guy on the film, 1:35:29.280 --> 1:35:31.439 you know what I mean. So I was like so 1:35:31.560 --> 1:35:35.680 beat up mentally and my ego was hurt, and the 1:35:35.720 --> 1:35:39.120 pain there was actual pain, where like as soon as 1:35:39.120 --> 1:35:41.120 I retired, I was like it was like something got 1:35:41.200 --> 1:35:42.040 lifted off of me. 1:35:42.320 --> 1:35:45.639 You know. I was content. We won three Super Bowls, 1:35:45.680 --> 1:35:46.759 I had a Super Bowl MVP. 1:35:47.720 --> 1:35:50.479 I exceeded everything I ever thought I could do, you know, 1:35:50.840 --> 1:35:51.599 So I was I was. 1:35:51.760 --> 1:35:56.240 I was cool with that and content with that. But 1:35:56.280 --> 1:35:57.720 I like hated the. 1:35:57.680 --> 1:36:00.519 Game for like the first year out, you know, just 1:36:00.560 --> 1:36:03.920 because I felt like shit, Yeah, like it eats you 1:36:04.000 --> 1:36:05.600 up and it spits you out, like you know what 1:36:05.640 --> 1:36:06.160 I mean. 1:36:06.160 --> 1:36:10.560 You felt worse than you felt playing, Yeah, holy shit. 1:36:10.600 --> 1:36:14.879 You know, and then it wasn't until I started feeling good. Yeah, 1:36:14.880 --> 1:36:16.960 my body start and that's when I started missing the game. 1:36:17.040 --> 1:36:18.840 Yeah. It was like a year and a half, two 1:36:18.920 --> 1:36:19.400 years later. 1:36:19.600 --> 1:36:22.240 Yeah, then you're like, you go up on the field 1:36:22.240 --> 1:36:23.920 and kicking the ball around my daughter. 1:36:23.920 --> 1:36:26.800 I'm like, oh, I still got run. Yeah yeah, you know. 1:36:27.080 --> 1:36:29.280 I man, I do miss that ship, you know what 1:36:29.280 --> 1:36:31.320 I mean? But it was it was crazy. Do you 1:36:31.360 --> 1:36:33.840 miss it now? I had like mine was different, Like 1:36:35.080 --> 1:36:38.240 I I wasn't good enough, right, Like I wasn't probably 1:36:38.240 --> 1:36:40.160 good in the last four years I played by somehow 1:36:40.160 --> 1:36:43.000 I got a job, right, But but then I had 1:36:43.000 --> 1:36:46.560 some opportunities to go play overseas and then you know, 1:36:46.600 --> 1:36:50.519 I'm very opportunistic like in life, right, So, and I 1:36:50.600 --> 1:36:53.880 just do things, you guys, aiden sets this up, I'm 1:36:53.880 --> 1:36:55.639 gonna do it, like I don't know, this could turn 1:36:55.640 --> 1:36:57.519 into something and it's gonna be great if I can. 1:36:57.920 --> 1:36:59.840 I just chop it up with you, like I don't know. 1:37:00.000 --> 1:37:03.120 This is how life is for me, right. So, Tommy 1:37:03.160 --> 1:37:05.439 Heinsen was getting up there in age when he was 1:37:05.439 --> 1:37:07.519 doing the Celtic games, and I know he wasn't traveling. 1:37:07.560 --> 1:37:11.560 So I'm talking like the day I lost to the 1:37:11.560 --> 1:37:14.559 Philadelphia seventy six ers. Derek Roseters his ACL We were 1:37:14.600 --> 1:37:16.400 set to play the Celtics in the second round of 1:37:16.400 --> 1:37:18.479 the playoffs, like we were a one seed, they were 1:37:18.520 --> 1:37:20.599 a four or five. They we won, we were supposed 1:37:20.640 --> 1:37:23.120 to play. I had all my boys lined up, like, Yo, 1:37:23.120 --> 1:37:24.640 we're going to hang out. This is what we're gonna do. 1:37:24.680 --> 1:37:25.679 I'm gonna come into town. 1:37:25.840 --> 1:37:25.960 You know. 1:37:26.000 --> 1:37:27.920 I got the game, but it is what it is, right, 1:37:28.360 --> 1:37:31.200 And so we lost. So I was like, man, I 1:37:31.240 --> 1:37:33.479 still want to hang out with my boys. So I 1:37:33.600 --> 1:37:35.920 called NBC and said, I want to work the series. 1:37:36.000 --> 1:37:38.599 I know your team and I know the seventy six ers. 1:37:38.960 --> 1:37:42.560 So I had the TV gig that was available, and 1:37:42.640 --> 1:37:44.280 so I started doing that. I liked it. I was 1:37:44.280 --> 1:37:46.840 pretty good at it, you know, just I kept it real. 1:37:46.960 --> 1:37:50.520 It's basketball or whatever, right, And so I had that opportunity. 1:37:50.520 --> 1:37:52.920 I could have went overseas, and then my wife was 1:37:53.040 --> 1:37:56.479 pregnant with at that time would be my son, third kid, 1:37:56.560 --> 1:37:58.960 and she just basically told me I'm not going overseas. Yeah. 1:37:59.120 --> 1:38:01.600 So I'm like, well, I got this job. I like, 1:38:02.520 --> 1:38:05.200 but I but I'd rather keep playing because of my ego. 1:38:05.280 --> 1:38:08.600 It's all it was all ego. It wasn't it wasn't logical, 1:38:08.840 --> 1:38:11.320 it wasn't like it was just all like, nah, man, 1:38:11.320 --> 1:38:14.320 I'm a hooper. This is what I do. But the 1:38:14.360 --> 1:38:16.400 smartest decision I've ever made, like this, this thing is 1:38:16.720 --> 1:38:19.000 I could last for forty years, right, And I'm glad. 1:38:19.160 --> 1:38:21.400 I like like it. And I went around just playing 1:38:21.400 --> 1:38:24.240 hoop everywhere. So I was hurt at first that I 1:38:24.320 --> 1:38:26.720 had to stop, and I was like angry I had 1:38:26.760 --> 1:38:30.120 to stop, But then I know the hoop was good. 1:38:30.560 --> 1:38:32.120 And then I'll tell you what happened. The second year, 1:38:32.120 --> 1:38:34.080 I take a job with the Golden State Warriors, and 1:38:34.160 --> 1:38:36.160 I started playing pick up with them. And on Monday, 1:38:36.680 --> 1:38:39.519 you play, those guys play four days Monday to Thursday, 1:38:39.560 --> 1:38:42.120 and they take the weekends off and they come back Monday. 1:38:42.160 --> 1:38:44.320 I was nice, like, I held my own. I was 1:38:44.360 --> 1:38:48.400 hanging with Steph Curry and David Lee and Draymond Green. 1:38:48.439 --> 1:38:51.280 I was holding my own. But then Thursday rolls around. 1:38:51.360 --> 1:38:55.720 I can't move and those guys are getting better, and 1:38:55.760 --> 1:38:59.920 I'm like, whoa man? Like I can't I literally cannot 1:39:00.120 --> 1:39:02.840 move my feet at all. And so that was when 1:39:02.920 --> 1:39:06.160 I was like really content, content with the whole thing, 1:39:06.240 --> 1:39:08.800 like I'm not even good enough to play. Before that 1:39:08.960 --> 1:39:11.720 I thought I was, but playing against those guys, I 1:39:11.800 --> 1:39:15.000 was like really knowing, like I'm not good enough. I 1:39:15.040 --> 1:39:17.960 can't do it, Like it's just even if I wanted to, 1:39:18.400 --> 1:39:20.960 it would be too hard. And then you got that 1:39:21.479 --> 1:39:23.720 there's that place that you were just talking about the 1:39:23.800 --> 1:39:27.040 amount of work it takes just to be fucking average, 1:39:27.160 --> 1:39:30.280 like of course just to free, just to fucking suck. 1:39:30.800 --> 1:39:33.400 It was like I'd have to dedicate eight hours a 1:39:33.479 --> 1:39:36.080 day just to be a twelfth man on a team. 1:39:36.240 --> 1:39:39.880 Like it's not worth it, Like do something else. That's 1:39:39.920 --> 1:39:43.160 exactly how it was for me, Jackie, wrap it up. 1:39:43.280 --> 1:39:46.040 Yeah, So the Pistons go on to beat the Lakers 1:39:46.160 --> 1:39:48.840 in the NBA Finals. Scal spins his next season with 1:39:48.880 --> 1:39:52.200 the Nets, then comes over to the Celtics selties yes right, 1:39:52.240 --> 1:39:53.479 and wins an NBA title. 1:39:54.000 --> 1:39:56.719 Fuck yeah, yeah, I went on a stretch there in college. 1:39:56.840 --> 1:39:59.640 I lost to Duke, then we went to the finals, 1:40:00.040 --> 1:40:03.360 lost to the Lakers. Then we went to the finals again, 1:40:03.600 --> 1:40:07.080 lost to the Spurs. Then we played the Pistons they 1:40:07.120 --> 1:40:11.120 won the championship. Then I think the following year, who 1:40:11.160 --> 1:40:13.200 wonted I guess it would be the Spurs at that point. 1:40:13.360 --> 1:40:16.760 So I like lost to like four straight champions, right, 1:40:17.160 --> 1:40:19.160 But that team was a really good team, a little 1:40:19.200 --> 1:40:22.880 really underrated group, and they were they deserved it. I 1:40:23.200 --> 1:40:25.599 don't care what anybody says about anything, like that team 1:40:25.640 --> 1:40:28.559 was really good. Rashie Wallace made a big difference, and 1:40:28.760 --> 1:40:30.760 I was I was happy I got a chance to 1:40:30.800 --> 1:40:33.479 even be in something like that. That's it's crazy, the 1:40:33.520 --> 1:40:36.680 only one one. The Spurs were good though, that's like 1:40:36.720 --> 1:40:39.679 the Duncan Era and they just went back and forth, right, 1:40:40.320 --> 1:40:43.840 and then like I'm not saying, I'm not saying I'm 1:40:43.880 --> 1:40:46.400 not a conspiracy theorist, but I felt like they were 1:40:46.400 --> 1:40:49.920 better than Lebron's team and somehow, like I felt like 1:40:50.040 --> 1:40:53.120 Lebron got every call in that in a series against them, 1:40:53.160 --> 1:40:55.800 and then Lebron ended up going to the finals and 1:40:55.840 --> 1:40:58.200 they got smoked by the Spurs. But I thought, I 1:40:58.240 --> 1:41:00.920 thought a Piston Spurs. It's like one of those things 1:41:00.920 --> 1:41:04.479 where for whatever reason, Piston Spurs had no ratings. But 1:41:04.560 --> 1:41:06.519 I thought it was the greatest finals. Yeah, you know, 1:41:06.840 --> 1:41:10.680 like it was like everything was hard. Everything inbounding the 1:41:10.720 --> 1:41:14.200 ball was hard, like so so I just loved that series, 1:41:14.240 --> 1:41:16.640 but it just didn't look like like people just did 1:41:16.800 --> 1:41:20.000 weren't for whatever reason, they just didn't like it. 1:41:20.280 --> 1:41:24.600 Yeah, the freaking the Spurs kind of like the Patriots 1:41:24.680 --> 1:41:26.120 coming out on top pop Baby. 1:41:26.200 --> 1:41:29.479 They figure it out, they figure it out. What what was? 1:41:29.680 --> 1:41:32.519 How many? I thought they've been to eleven Super Bowls 1:41:32.560 --> 1:41:35.280 like the Tom Brady era since that era to now 1:41:35.439 --> 1:41:37.760 they were they went, we went to he went to ten. 1:41:38.280 --> 1:41:40.720 He's been to Tampa. That's one with Tampa Bay or 1:41:40.960 --> 1:41:42.360 ten with the Patriots. 1:41:42.800 --> 1:41:48.000 So three oh four or one lost three eleven? Yeah, yeah, 1:41:48.080 --> 1:41:49.599 eleven all time for the Patriots. 1:41:50.600 --> 1:41:51.680 That is hard to do. 1:41:51.840 --> 1:41:55.040 Man, it was like one every It was like one 1:41:55.080 --> 1:41:56.960 every It was like he was going into a super 1:41:56.960 --> 1:41:58.760 Bowl like every third year. 1:41:59.439 --> 1:42:00.840 Second is two and a half years. 1:42:00.880 --> 1:42:03.800 There's some crazy stat that his winning percentage in the 1:42:03.800 --> 1:42:05.640 AFC Championship games. 1:42:05.840 --> 1:42:09.639 Is higher than or was higher than his completion. 1:42:09.920 --> 1:42:13.200 He was more likely to have a past be incomplete 1:42:13.280 --> 1:42:15.600 than he was to miss an AFC Championships. 1:42:15.680 --> 1:42:19.519 Unreal, that's crazy, unreal. Then you go to the Celts, 1:42:19.520 --> 1:42:20.800 you get a you got a ship though. 1:42:21.479 --> 1:42:24.880 Yeah, the boys that was sick, especially with the Big 1:42:24.920 --> 1:42:26.360 Three that was such a net man. 1:42:26.960 --> 1:42:29.479 I don't I don't know how it is, but he 1:42:29.520 --> 1:42:32.160 walks in the room. It's different, man, Like everywhere he 1:42:32.680 --> 1:42:37.000 the locker room, the weight room, the practice, he doesn't. 1:42:37.200 --> 1:42:38.120 You don't fuck around. 1:42:38.120 --> 1:42:38.280 Man. 1:42:38.320 --> 1:42:42.160 He's now. He's a great off the court, great guy, 1:42:42.640 --> 1:42:47.000 great guy, cared about everything, cared about the twelfth Man. 1:42:47.200 --> 1:42:49.760 He cared about my daughter who was four, like he 1:42:49.880 --> 1:42:53.120 cared about everybody's family. It was real, not like, hey, 1:42:53.160 --> 1:42:54.200 what's up, how's your family? 1:42:54.439 --> 1:42:54.519 Like? 1:42:54.560 --> 1:42:58.160 It was like legit right, But he was all business, 1:42:58.280 --> 1:43:01.280 all business when he was playing basketball at the facility, 1:43:01.280 --> 1:43:04.920 and that stuff is just like margins in the professional 1:43:04.920 --> 1:43:08.479 sports are so small. Garnet walks in and everyone's one 1:43:08.520 --> 1:43:12.479 percent better that month, and they improved one percent every 1:43:12.560 --> 1:43:15.479 month for a season. Because of Garnett, we're a whole 1:43:15.520 --> 1:43:17.120 lot better at the end of the season, you know, 1:43:17.600 --> 1:43:20.439 or or a drill is one percent better. It's just 1:43:20.640 --> 1:43:24.800 it's consistency and how much he changes everything. But I've 1:43:24.840 --> 1:43:29.400 been around good players teammates. Pierce's great kid is amazing. 1:43:29.760 --> 1:43:35.720 Derek Rose, nothing was like Kevin Garnett. Yeah, like the 1:43:35.720 --> 1:43:40.520 big brother. More than it's bigger than that, like a 1:43:40.560 --> 1:43:45.200 big brother, father, uncle, all that in one. I'm very 1:43:45.200 --> 1:43:48.760 impressive being around him for the three years. Very impressive 1:43:49.200 --> 1:43:49.760 human being. 1:43:50.280 --> 1:43:52.720 I've never got to kick it with him. Me and 1:43:52.760 --> 1:43:54.599 Paul got we've hung out a few. 1:43:54.640 --> 1:43:56.559 I mean I got well documented. 1:43:56.640 --> 1:43:57.679 Yeah, it's well documented. 1:43:58.160 --> 1:44:01.599 Arrested slide came to a fucking start skinning hood hood 1:44:01.640 --> 1:44:05.680 slide anymore for Paul Pierce citizens We we go to 1:44:05.720 --> 1:44:09.080 this bar, We go to this place, and there's cops everywhere, 1:44:09.160 --> 1:44:11.120 and we start talking. I did like a hood slide. 1:44:11.160 --> 1:44:13.519 Some guy gets out of his car. We thought we 1:44:13.560 --> 1:44:13.880 got to. 1:44:14.439 --> 1:44:17.480 Await the dude in the car. You a hood slide, 1:44:18.680 --> 1:44:23.640 nice car, It was a bens. Oh my gosh. What 1:44:23.680 --> 1:44:25.360 would you do if some much hood slide? Did you? 1:44:26.760 --> 1:44:28.160 It depends on the hoodslide. 1:44:28.960 --> 1:44:30.639 Well, if they pulled it off, you would have been cool. 1:44:30.720 --> 1:44:33.360 Yeah you didn't a little humid in there that had 1:44:33.360 --> 1:44:33.799 a gene. 1:44:33.800 --> 1:44:34.320 It's stuck. 1:44:34.520 --> 1:44:34.800 You had. 1:44:35.280 --> 1:44:36.400 Hood slides don't go together. 1:44:36.560 --> 1:44:37.880 Yeah, you had your moment. You didn't. 1:44:37.880 --> 1:44:43.519 Capital didn't. This is goodness, Jack. We got any leftovers? No, 1:44:43.600 --> 1:44:46.160 I just uh, that was amazing. Uh. 1:44:46.200 --> 1:44:50.040 The only one I think scal better Celebration eight or 1:44:50.080 --> 1:44:52.080 twenty four twenty four better celebration. 1:44:52.120 --> 1:44:55.360 Wow, everything is bigger now. I feel everything is the 1:44:55.400 --> 1:44:57.680 only thing I would say is in O eight, I 1:44:57.680 --> 1:45:00.719 don't remember one cell phone. All you see it cell phone. 1:45:01.640 --> 1:45:05.160 Everybody's just like everyone lives life like peeking through their 1:45:05.200 --> 1:45:07.759 cell phone. You know, I'm not living the moment, buddy, 1:45:08.120 --> 1:45:11.439 I know. But so besides that. But no, and by 1:45:11.479 --> 1:45:14.360 the way, like you know, you've celebrated multiple Super Bowls, 1:45:14.880 --> 1:45:17.040 you got it takes experience, you got to know, like 1:45:17.120 --> 1:45:19.519 you know what I mean. Like I regretted the way 1:45:19.560 --> 1:45:21.559 I celebrated in a way. I wish I would have 1:45:22.080 --> 1:45:24.800 partied all night with the fans. You know that's just me. 1:45:25.320 --> 1:45:27.720 So No, it's a twenty four was and they did 1:45:27.760 --> 1:45:30.400 a great job. And like I said, everything is bigger now. 1:45:30.400 --> 1:45:32.559 I think it was too million people that showed up, 1:45:33.720 --> 1:45:38.439 crazy and younger, Like I don't remember that many young 1:45:38.479 --> 1:45:41.240 people out when I was maybe because I'm older. Yeah, 1:45:42.760 --> 1:45:46.559 they're out, they are out. They're out. Baby. Let's name 1:45:46.640 --> 1:45:49.839 the game. We'll be right back after this quick break. 1:45:56.560 --> 1:46:00.479 So this is Scalabrini game. This is everyone referred as 1:46:00.479 --> 1:46:02.680 the Scalabrini game. So it's the Scalabrini game, not the 1:46:02.680 --> 1:46:06.360 white mom at the time. Okay, yeah, let's go. Everybody 1:46:06.360 --> 1:46:08.439 would say, you remember the Brian Scalabrini game, and they'd 1:46:08.439 --> 1:46:11.040 be like, yeah, he went off on the pistons. 1:46:11.120 --> 1:46:13.719 Yeah, yeah, and then that's the game. Let's score the game. 1:46:14.080 --> 1:46:16.439 Is this the greatest game of all time? Let's score it. 1:46:17.040 --> 1:46:21.320 The stakes of this game? Game five in a seven 1:46:21.360 --> 1:46:24.120 game series, seven game series, but it was this first round, 1:46:25.720 --> 1:46:28.160 so stas one to ten decimals. 1:46:28.200 --> 1:46:32.599 Okay, given the fact that both teams were the best 1:46:32.600 --> 1:46:35.040 teams in the East, right, even though Indiana had the 1:46:35.040 --> 1:46:37.240 best record in the East, I would say, it's like 1:46:37.280 --> 1:46:40.160 an eight, that's a good score. 1:46:40.240 --> 1:46:44.160 Yep, yeah, I'll go with I'll go with the seven 1:46:44.160 --> 1:46:46.000 point eight game five. 1:46:46.600 --> 1:46:48.479 Nothing on the line line yet I was in that 1:46:48.520 --> 1:46:51.479 same territory seven point one. But but he's a ball 1:46:51.479 --> 1:46:54.439 he's a ball guy. So what we got we matched 1:46:54.520 --> 1:46:56.639 seven point I did some point two. 1:46:56.640 --> 1:46:58.600 But you know, this is such a swing game for 1:46:58.680 --> 1:47:02.120 those those seven games series, so there's a little more important, Yeah. 1:47:01.920 --> 1:47:04.400 A little bit more, but it is a semie. But 1:47:04.520 --> 1:47:07.600 it's just the magnitude of those two teams. You know, 1:47:07.640 --> 1:47:11.240 the fact that they spanked us and we spanked them, 1:47:11.280 --> 1:47:14.120 and you know, like that game on the road, Oh man, 1:47:14.120 --> 1:47:16.400 you should have seem like Kid Rock was there talking 1:47:16.400 --> 1:47:18.280 ship to me. I was like running and down like 1:47:19.000 --> 1:47:23.000 I think Eminem was there. You know, Detroit Detroit real 1:47:23.160 --> 1:47:28.479 like grimy Doll the fans. So it was it wasn't. 1:47:28.720 --> 1:47:30.880 It wasn't like what you see in the NBA. Now. 1:47:31.040 --> 1:47:33.880 It was like there's dudes, you know, I think they 1:47:33.920 --> 1:47:36.160 had to be pimps and four coats and glass of 1:47:36.320 --> 1:47:40.040 piggy rings on what you doing? You know, like there 1:47:40.040 --> 1:47:44.799 were some real characters, real, yo, Detroit is real. Detroit 1:47:44.880 --> 1:47:46.000 is some real dogs. 1:47:46.080 --> 1:47:46.320 Man. 1:47:46.720 --> 1:47:48.679 We had Robert Oriy on the show. He said Eminem 1:47:48.760 --> 1:47:49.080 was talking. 1:47:50.040 --> 1:47:54.120 Yeah, they go they go at you. But what they 1:47:54.120 --> 1:47:57.640 don't understand is like that makes me like when I 1:47:57.800 --> 1:48:00.400 was a rookie, Like I told you that game I 1:48:00.479 --> 1:48:02.920 was in was I was spinning right, he was my 1:48:03.000 --> 1:48:06.280 first game, not my preseason No, it was a preseason game. 1:48:06.760 --> 1:48:10.360 I was spinning. It was going so fast and Latrell 1:48:10.400 --> 1:48:13.320 Spreewell started talking ship to me, and I was like, cool, 1:48:13.520 --> 1:48:15.640 I'm good now, if you're gonna take the time and 1:48:15.680 --> 1:48:18.920 talk ship to me. I belong you know before that, 1:48:18.960 --> 1:48:20.479 and he would have been like, nice shot. I would 1:48:20.479 --> 1:48:26.080 have been like the fact that he was going to 1:48:26.120 --> 1:48:27.960 take the time out of his day to talk shit 1:48:28.080 --> 1:48:30.280 to me. I mean, he's like, all right, I've been 1:48:30.320 --> 1:48:32.679 here before. I've been the white boy in the gym, 1:48:32.720 --> 1:48:35.719 if the only white boy before. I'm good with that role. 1:48:36.120 --> 1:48:37.760 I'm not good with the role I was just in 1:48:37.880 --> 1:48:40.160 when I don't believe I belonged out there. But I'm 1:48:40.160 --> 1:48:41.760 good Now. You got it. 1:48:41.840 --> 1:48:45.320 You gotta hey it's a white guy in sport. Oh yeah, 1:48:45.320 --> 1:48:48.200 you got you gotta be you gotta be able to 1:48:48.200 --> 1:48:48.640 handle it. 1:48:48.720 --> 1:48:51.440 Yeah. Star power. We just talked about. 1:48:51.280 --> 1:48:55.680 Eminem This could be from team to Ambiyon's who was 1:48:55.720 --> 1:48:58.439 at the game star zero to ten. 1:48:59.080 --> 1:49:04.080 Six, Yeah, I mean, but it's a like you get 1:49:04.120 --> 1:49:07.280 like even like just the basketball players. I think probably 1:49:07.600 --> 1:49:12.960 Kid is the top thirty. So yeah, it's not loaded 1:49:13.000 --> 1:49:15.559 with not loaded with Mount rushmorees, you know what I mean. 1:49:15.640 --> 1:49:19.040 That's a great that's a very honorable score. I'm gonna 1:49:19.040 --> 1:49:20.800 go with I was gonna go seven to four. 1:49:21.400 --> 1:49:25.080 Who's the stars? I mean, I grew I love I 1:49:25.160 --> 1:49:28.000 love that Detroit Pistons team. But they were a group. 1:49:28.280 --> 1:49:31.479 They were, but like that's still that that that team 1:49:32.400 --> 1:49:35.599 was just tough y oh yeah, and then they're a group. 1:49:35.920 --> 1:49:39.479 I like, man, I usually rack, what. 1:49:39.280 --> 1:49:46.200 Were you guys? Who are the stars? Kid Williams, I got, 1:49:47.000 --> 1:49:49.080 I got a funny ass Corliss Williamson story. So like 1:49:49.160 --> 1:49:53.200 he year one, like man, he destroyed me, destroyed me. 1:49:53.240 --> 1:49:55.639 That was my matchup right again in the game, and 1:49:55.680 --> 1:49:58.720 he was destroying me. It was the different words. He 1:49:58.840 --> 1:50:02.320 is destroying me and uh and I was like, man, 1:50:02.360 --> 1:50:04.200 I don't I can't even stop this guy. And I 1:50:04.240 --> 1:50:06.400 fouled him and he scored on me. I fouled him again. 1:50:06.439 --> 1:50:08.120 He's scored on me, and like I just subbed out. 1:50:08.200 --> 1:50:11.519 Like the coaches like the fuck was that right? Just 1:50:11.720 --> 1:50:13.880 your job is to stop the backup and they would 1:50:13.960 --> 1:50:17.759 just go at me right that whole year, my strength 1:50:17.800 --> 1:50:19.880 coach was like Corliss Williamson is in the weight room 1:50:19.920 --> 1:50:22.599 work and I had a picture Corlius Williamson and every 1:50:22.680 --> 1:50:25.000 day I worked it was Corlus Williams and he was like, 1:50:25.040 --> 1:50:27.000 I don't know how to stop. I started studying film. 1:50:27.320 --> 1:50:29.839 I learned how to work, like I learned how to prepare, 1:50:30.160 --> 1:50:32.679 so I started watching everything he did and people who 1:50:32.880 --> 1:50:35.280 did well against him. It was all setting the tone 1:50:35.320 --> 1:50:36.760 to to be like, this is what a pro does, 1:50:37.320 --> 1:50:40.639 not just for him, but for everybody. Next year, We're 1:50:40.680 --> 1:50:43.439 at the Meadowlands, which no one at the game. We're 1:50:43.439 --> 1:50:47.400 playing the Pistons. It's a preseason game. There's like it's 1:50:47.520 --> 1:50:50.439 quiet as hell. He gets the ball, I'm in the post. 1:50:50.840 --> 1:50:53.160 He bumps me. I hit the ball out of bounds 1:50:53.720 --> 1:50:58.200 and he and I stopped him. I'm like, yeah, motherfucker. Yeah, 1:50:58.280 --> 1:51:02.160 And everyone looks at me, like what's wrong? But that 1:51:02.320 --> 1:51:06.720 was my demon right there. Yeah. But I like, I've 1:51:06.760 --> 1:51:09.599 gone against dudes before and maybe they get me, but like, 1:51:09.680 --> 1:51:12.200 this was embarrassing the way he got me. And I 1:51:12.280 --> 1:51:15.000 was in my mind like like, people don't understand how 1:51:15.040 --> 1:51:19.120 much that meaningless possession meant to me. When I just 1:51:19.160 --> 1:51:21.920 like stopped him, you know, it was like the biggest moment. 1:51:22.160 --> 1:51:24.640 And I was like thirty pounds heavier and stronger and 1:51:24.680 --> 1:51:26.640 everything like that, and I was like, this is like 1:51:26.680 --> 1:51:29.880 the biggest moment of my life. Preseason game. Put your 1:51:29.880 --> 1:51:33.160 mind here, you got it those demons maybe so I don't. 1:51:33.200 --> 1:51:34.880 I don't know about you guys in the star power. 1:51:34.880 --> 1:51:36.360 But that's fine. Yeah, I was wild on this one. 1:51:36.400 --> 1:51:38.080 I had an eight point three Jack at eight point seven. 1:51:38.080 --> 1:51:41.200 All right, what's the gameplay? Zero to ten? Gameplay of 1:51:41.320 --> 1:51:44.000 the flow of the game back and forth? You guys 1:51:44.040 --> 1:51:46.559 went three overtime in their lives, like because because this 1:51:46.680 --> 1:51:49.000 was two defensive teams that don't score and we go 1:51:49.040 --> 1:51:51.320 one twenty seven to win to twenty. I thought the 1:51:51.320 --> 1:51:53.280 flow of this game was amazing. So I'm gonna say 1:51:53.320 --> 1:51:55.880 like eight and a half, eight and a half all night. Yeah. Yeah, 1:51:56.000 --> 1:51:59.000 it was shot making, tough defense, everything you would want. 1:51:59.120 --> 1:52:03.719 I'm going eight you guys, triple o t buzzer beater. 1:52:06.160 --> 1:52:10.080 It was. It was incredible because it wasn't that bullshit defense. 1:52:10.160 --> 1:52:10.880 It was legit. 1:52:11.520 --> 1:52:11.800 You know. 1:52:12.160 --> 1:52:14.360 Now you got to score the name of the game, 1:52:14.520 --> 1:52:16.520 the Scalabrini ten. 1:52:19.040 --> 1:52:22.320 Yeah, I'm gonna go with the nine to one one. 1:52:22.360 --> 1:52:23.320 I'll take a nine one. 1:52:23.520 --> 1:52:25.240 I think I was wild here before I knew what 1:52:25.240 --> 1:52:31.080 we were calling. 1:52:32.400 --> 1:52:36.680 Lord to be a guy like me from where I 1:52:36.720 --> 1:52:39.240 came from, to have a fucking game named after him, 1:52:39.320 --> 1:52:44.479 I know, I know I was wrong. Starts this before 1:52:44.520 --> 1:52:44.960 we did. 1:52:44.800 --> 1:52:46.920 The Jack four, I had a five point five. I 1:52:46.960 --> 1:52:48.280 stand by my five point five. 1:52:48.479 --> 1:52:49.160 I don't even know the. 1:52:50.920 --> 1:52:53.320 Likely it is to have a game named after you 1:52:53.360 --> 1:52:54.800 when you're coming, when you're me. 1:52:56.320 --> 1:52:59.080 It's like it'd be like a street named after one 1:52:59.080 --> 1:53:00.000 of you. Motherfuckers. 1:53:00.040 --> 1:53:04.040 Man, I'm gonna be like, yo, you know what, I'm 1:53:04.040 --> 1:53:05.160 gonna give that ship a three. 1:53:05.800 --> 1:53:07.679 I'm sorry, Tyler street breaking. 1:53:09.439 --> 1:53:15.919 I'm just saying, like, oh, Lebron came Tad, Come on, man. 1:53:15.840 --> 1:53:20.240 And I'm usually a glazer. Oh I'm sorry, I should be. 1:53:20.439 --> 1:53:28.120 Everyone else change Come on, Jack, I mean you understand 1:53:29.320 --> 1:53:33.000 of something like that happening, like you've. 1:53:32.880 --> 1:53:35.040 Got a better chance being struck by lightning. I didn't 1:53:35.040 --> 1:53:36.680 think of the nickname. I'm sorry. I screwed up. 1:53:36.880 --> 1:53:39.960 Okay, but this is cultural and this is gaze with 1:53:40.760 --> 1:53:42.200 you're up against. 1:53:42.640 --> 1:53:45.000 When you guys fucking watch you actually thought you can 1:53:45.040 --> 1:53:47.040 do it because you saw me do it. You don't 1:53:47.040 --> 1:53:50.040 think that when you watch Lebron, you don't think you 1:53:50.200 --> 1:53:53.040 see me. And I give hope to fucking millions of kids, 1:53:54.000 --> 1:53:55.120 show them where it stands on. 1:53:55.200 --> 1:53:56.559 So you're an eight point one two? 1:53:56.640 --> 1:53:58.680 Now that Jack eight point one two? Where does that 1:53:58.760 --> 1:54:00.400 stack up in all the games we've done? 1:54:00.479 --> 1:54:03.400 It is right beat right above kuld Bee versus mcgreor 1:54:03.640 --> 1:54:06.880 McGregor u f C twenty nine one, right below the 1:54:06.880 --> 1:54:09.439 two thousand and seven Western Conference Playoffs Game six Mas 1:54:09.520 --> 1:54:12.880 versus Warriors, and just below two thousand eleven NBA Finals 1:54:12.920 --> 1:54:14.200 Game six Mavericks versus Heat. 1:54:14.240 --> 1:54:17.439 So it's a good company where you're right here. Okay, 1:54:17.840 --> 1:54:18.799 eight point one two. 1:54:18.640 --> 1:54:21.880 Final MAVs Heat. That was a nasty ass game. That 1:54:22.000 --> 1:54:24.439 was really good. Wow, that was real star power too. 1:54:24.800 --> 1:54:27.920 Then you have super Bowl, you have could the could 1:54:27.960 --> 1:54:31.400 be fight and Greg McGregor kuld bev McGregor that where 1:54:31.439 --> 1:54:34.840 he broke his leg. No, that's when McGregor lost. 1:54:34.880 --> 1:54:40.200 To remember that was with like the crazy like pre 1:54:40.320 --> 1:54:44.240 fight ship where they broke the bus and window. 1:54:44.880 --> 1:54:50.080 Okay, finals, first Piston Championship. All right, that's good. That's 1:54:50.080 --> 1:54:54.000 a good score, very good score. That's good, very good school. 1:54:54.280 --> 1:54:56.320 And what do they call me? If anyone have a name? 1:54:56.520 --> 1:55:00.880 The butler? Oh that actually? Super Bowl? Yeah? 1:55:00.920 --> 1:55:02.880 Okay, yeah, a lot of these don't really have names, 1:55:02.880 --> 1:55:04.320 which is these are we have? 1:55:04.400 --> 1:55:06.400 We do two different types of names. This is the 1:55:06.480 --> 1:55:09.960 government names, which is like the two thousand and four 1:55:10.080 --> 1:55:11.280 ALCS game for you. 1:55:12.160 --> 1:55:14.600 But then the quotes is some of the names. But 1:55:14.640 --> 1:55:15.840 what is the millennial? 1:55:16.640 --> 1:55:21.240 Millennium waved the heaviest wave of all time in two thousand. 1:55:22.320 --> 1:55:24.320 He needs some crazy storm. He's riding like a seventy 1:55:24.320 --> 1:55:25.200 foot wave. It's just like. 1:55:26.680 --> 1:55:31.080 Crazy crazy you and like you run from people. But 1:55:31.160 --> 1:55:32.760 can you imagine fucking up and dying? 1:55:33.000 --> 1:55:37.480 Like no, I can't either that That wave, like the 1:55:37.600 --> 1:55:41.080 coral is like five ft under you, So if you 1:55:41.120 --> 1:55:43.640 get hit by the wave, you're dead. 1:55:43.800 --> 1:55:47.200 Yeah, I just can't imagine. Like when you watch all 1:55:47.240 --> 1:55:49.640 that stuff, you just put it in perspective, Like, dude, 1:55:49.680 --> 1:55:52.160 if I messed up, I just get benched. Yeah, like 1:55:52.400 --> 1:55:56.440 maybe I lose my job. Maybe, But we're talking death death. 1:55:56.640 --> 1:56:00.280 That's crazy. They're missing something. Wow, scout, we missed anything? 1:56:00.360 --> 1:56:02.080 Ye one thing. One thing. I'll tell you. There's the 1:56:02.120 --> 1:56:06.360 funniest shit with Rasheh Wallace. So I get checked in 1:56:06.360 --> 1:56:08.240 the game in the first half. And this is like 1:56:08.320 --> 1:56:10.000 to give you an example of forra Shehe Wallace and 1:56:10.040 --> 1:56:12.200 how good he is. He gets the ball in the 1:56:12.200 --> 1:56:14.120 post and I'm right behind him in the post. He 1:56:14.200 --> 1:56:17.000 takes the ball. He looked and he sees me guarding him. 1:56:17.240 --> 1:56:20.240 He looks at the bench. He yells at the coach, 1:56:20.760 --> 1:56:25.760 y'all put this motherfucker on me. And then he and 1:56:25.800 --> 1:56:28.560 then he and I'm thinking to myself like, man, fuck 1:56:28.640 --> 1:56:32.080 this dude, right and he goes wow wow, and he 1:56:32.120 --> 1:56:34.320 goes into the fade away. I jumped as high as 1:56:34.360 --> 1:56:36.600 I could to contest it. I thought I was gonna 1:56:36.600 --> 1:56:41.560 block it. He just puts right over me. Man. Yeah, 1:56:41.920 --> 1:56:46.400 I felt I felt tiny at that point, like insignificant. 1:56:46.440 --> 1:56:48.320 But I got a bucket in the first half, which 1:56:48.360 --> 1:56:50.320 I think help me carry over to the second half. 1:56:50.320 --> 1:56:52.720 But like when he said that to the bench, oh 1:56:52.760 --> 1:56:56.160 my gosh, it was so bad. Come on, you never 1:56:56.200 --> 1:56:59.320 went to the sideline, looked at the defensive coordinator be 1:56:59.400 --> 1:57:04.080 like this, motherfuck, I have no way. Y'all got it 1:57:04.120 --> 1:57:06.680 before I run this route, y'all gotta change your matchup. 1:57:07.440 --> 1:57:09.600 I just look. I would just say to this you 1:57:09.720 --> 1:57:13.640 got no shot. He's just like, nah, you're just not equipped. 1:57:14.680 --> 1:57:17.920 Especially I'm gonna go there. I remember when they would 1:57:17.960 --> 1:57:21.720 put Jimmy Leonard or there was another safety of white safety. 1:57:21.800 --> 1:57:27.240 I'm like, I can't put a white guy. That's fucking racist. 1:57:27.520 --> 1:57:31.640 No, Like no, like when I when I got when 1:57:31.640 --> 1:57:33.600 I got out and people wanted to challenge me one 1:57:33.640 --> 1:57:35.200 on one. I'm like, yo, man, if you're white, you 1:57:35.200 --> 1:57:37.880 ain't beating me, dude. But if if you if you're 1:57:37.920 --> 1:57:40.200 not a pro, if you're not a pro and you're white, 1:57:40.240 --> 1:57:42.920 you one hundred percent ain't beating me. If you're a brother, 1:57:43.080 --> 1:57:45.600 you might beat me. I doubt you'll beat me, but 1:57:45.720 --> 1:57:53.160 you have a chance. Oh my gosh, it's true. Man, Like, listen, 1:57:53.240 --> 1:57:54.920 it is what it is. I know, I know it 1:57:55.000 --> 1:57:57.360 sounds weird coming from two white guys, but that's. 1:57:57.160 --> 1:57:57.760 How we think. 1:57:57.840 --> 1:58:01.640 That's how we think. I mean, I guess Dominique told 1:58:01.640 --> 1:58:03.880 me this story one time about Larry Bird. And there's 1:58:03.920 --> 1:58:07.520 this guy named John Contact. Right, So Larry Bird got 1:58:07.560 --> 1:58:11.720 the ball and he really wanted Dominique to guard him. 1:58:11.960 --> 1:58:13.960 So I guess, I guess this is the story. I 1:58:13.960 --> 1:58:16.200 haven't seen it, but this is the story. So Larry 1:58:16.200 --> 1:58:18.520 got the ball against John Contact and he's like, look 1:58:18.600 --> 1:58:20.760 through the coach. He's like, you went with him on 1:58:20.800 --> 1:58:23.440 this matchup, And I guess Larry Bird just dropped the 1:58:23.440 --> 1:58:25.200 ball and said, man, I don't even want this shit. 1:58:29.960 --> 1:58:32.600 But the rumor is he just dropped it like that's 1:58:32.600 --> 1:58:34.720 a waste of my time and he just ran back 1:58:35.160 --> 1:58:37.720 and all of a sudden, I guess John Contact was 1:58:37.800 --> 1:58:38.600 shook by it. 1:58:38.640 --> 1:58:45.879 Man, basketball man, the guys, Larry bro Larry Legend, fucking 1:58:45.960 --> 1:58:46.919 Larry the Legend. 1:58:47.160 --> 1:58:49.440 I love I getting wormholes watching him. He's a beast. 1:58:49.560 --> 1:58:51.720 Just his shit talking or the stories about him when 1:58:51.760 --> 1:58:53.640 he just played one whole half left handed. 1:58:53.760 --> 1:58:58.840 Yeah, yeah, it's like the injury thing. And by the way, 1:58:58.880 --> 1:59:01.040 a lot of times and why the white guys aren't 1:59:01.040 --> 1:59:03.040 that goods. Their bodies just can't keep up. You know 1:59:03.160 --> 1:59:08.040 that surely is. But he was nasty, but like talking 1:59:08.040 --> 1:59:11.040 about it's just living at that that life. Man, it's 1:59:11.080 --> 1:59:15.360 hard man every day. But but you get I'll put 1:59:15.400 --> 1:59:18.160 his three seasons. You could. I don't care who you 1:59:18.160 --> 1:59:20.720 want to put against Jordan. You want to bring Lebron, 1:59:20.760 --> 1:59:24.880 And I'll take Larry Bird's triple MVPs against any three 1:59:24.920 --> 1:59:28.800 seasons out there, any three seasons, because the dude was 1:59:29.480 --> 1:59:32.040 thirty ten and eight back in the day when it 1:59:32.080 --> 1:59:34.400 was hard to get thirty ten and eight. Yeah, I 1:59:34.440 --> 1:59:37.440 don't know the game that well to throw that out there. 1:59:37.440 --> 1:59:40.560 He has three MVP The one guy that's coming closest 1:59:40.560 --> 1:59:43.840 to Kolea Jokic like Loki, you know, like low key. 1:59:43.960 --> 1:59:46.240 He's kind of like just keeps dominating the NBA. 1:59:46.400 --> 1:59:48.360 But he doesn't even like he didn't even look like 1:59:48.360 --> 1:59:50.480 he likes basketball. He just goes out here just to 1:59:50.520 --> 1:59:52.800 play it. I like it though, Yeah, you know what 1:59:52.840 --> 1:59:55.520 I mean? You like yeah, scot. 1:59:55.280 --> 1:59:58.400 You want to plug anything? Plug anything? You got anything? 1:59:58.440 --> 2:00:00.200 What are you working? Yeah? You guys, just follow me 2:00:00.240 --> 2:00:03.040 on Instagram at White Mamba. You see a lot of 2:00:03.040 --> 2:00:06.680 me coaching little kids and like just kind of helping 2:00:06.720 --> 2:00:09.200 kids and paying it forward. That's my thing now. Like 2:00:09.920 --> 2:00:13.520 I was super blessed to be have great coaches growing up, 2:00:13.600 --> 2:00:15.040 and I know I don't make it if it's not 2:00:15.080 --> 2:00:18.360 for those great people. And now I'm just trying to 2:00:18.360 --> 2:00:21.879 help other kids out. So if you guys follow the kids, 2:00:22.320 --> 2:00:24.040 you know you see them or just come out and 2:00:24.880 --> 2:00:26.280 you know, if you ever see us out and about 2:00:26.360 --> 2:00:29.160 come say what's up? That's what's up? Man. We appreciate 2:00:29.200 --> 2:00:30.360 you coming on. This was fun. 2:00:30.400 --> 2:00:30.520 Man. 2:00:30.640 --> 2:00:36.200 It was awesome for going two hours. But I I 2:00:36.760 --> 2:00:39.040 really appreciate you having me on. And I just always 2:00:39.080 --> 2:00:40.920 like to like chop it up with other people and 2:00:41.880 --> 2:00:42.839 my different walks. 2:00:42.600 --> 2:00:48.520 So you know we we we shared this cool town together. Sure, 2:00:48.800 --> 2:00:51.040 and that that's such a cool you know, get to 2:00:51.080 --> 2:00:54.760 hear your perspective of your stories and you know, to 2:00:54.800 --> 2:00:56.880 have that common ground where we played for this city 2:00:56.880 --> 2:00:59.040 which is such a magical cool city. This is a 2:00:59.040 --> 2:01:01.920 really cool city. Every time I come back, you know, 2:01:02.000 --> 2:01:03.920 like I live in La right now, but when you 2:01:03.960 --> 2:01:04.560 come back, it. 2:01:04.520 --> 2:01:06.400 Feels like home. Oh yeah, you know what I mean. 2:01:07.160 --> 2:01:09.840 That's that was our best scoring section ever? Was that 2:01:09.880 --> 2:01:11.200 was our best scoring segment ever? 2:01:11.400 --> 2:01:11.600 Yeah? 2:01:11.600 --> 2:01:13.760 If people just like ten ten ten or like lo lo. 2:01:13.800 --> 2:01:15.840 Bit like you had, you had a real integrity type 2:01:15.840 --> 2:01:18.680 score Matthew Slater type score, Matthew Slater style score. 2:01:18.800 --> 2:01:20.560 I needed to be called out and I'm glad Scout 2:01:20.640 --> 2:01:21.320 was the guy to do it. 2:01:24.280 --> 2:01:27.200 Man, Old Scal was the assignment. 2:01:27.400 --> 2:01:30.160 From the second he walked in. Scal brought the energy, 2:01:30.440 --> 2:01:32.160 he brought the heat. That was incredible. 2:01:32.560 --> 2:01:34.960 Yeah, I'm interested to see I want to go check 2:01:34.960 --> 2:01:36.400 out his AAU basketball team. 2:01:36.440 --> 2:01:37.720 Oh my god, me too. I want to see Scal 2:01:37.800 --> 2:01:40.640 the coach. I want to see Scal the bronck. Scott 2:01:40.720 --> 2:01:42.040 can do it all, man, he. 2:01:42.040 --> 2:01:43.280 Really is just a lovable guy. 2:01:43.360 --> 2:01:45.000 I just want to see you one on one on him. 2:01:45.320 --> 2:01:47.880 He's six ' ten. I think I could take him. 2:01:47.920 --> 2:01:53.560 I think you got that quickness, brother, you'd be able 2:01:53.560 --> 2:01:54.560 to cut me off. Man. 2:01:54.640 --> 2:01:57.280 That was fun. That was a really good episode. It 2:01:57.360 --> 2:02:01.040 was cool to go over and uh so much crossover. 2:02:01.480 --> 2:02:03.880 And I haven't really got to sit down with Scowl 2:02:03.960 --> 2:02:05.880 and talk. That was like our first time really talking. 2:02:05.920 --> 2:02:07.600 Like we we see each I've seen him at a 2:02:07.640 --> 2:02:11.200 Celtics game. We'll dap each other up and everything, but 2:02:11.520 --> 2:02:13.680 I've never got to like really sit and talk to him. 2:02:13.680 --> 2:02:16.760 He's a He's an engaging guy, really good. 2:02:16.600 --> 2:02:19.920 Storyteller, too awesome storyte And finally we get a guest 2:02:19.960 --> 2:02:23.839 that like jumps in with scoring, good scoring. 2:02:24.000 --> 2:02:25.200 He really was a man. 2:02:25.280 --> 2:02:28.320 You know, time it is boysline glean, time to hit 2:02:28.360 --> 2:02:31.200 the old hot line. Let's see it again, guys. That 2:02:31.320 --> 2:02:33.640 number is four two four two nine one two two 2:02:33.760 --> 2:02:36.320 nine zero bang our line. 2:02:36.960 --> 2:02:38.240 Julian Edelman. 2:02:39.880 --> 2:02:44.360 John down here in Oklahoma, high school teacher and soccer coach, 2:02:44.840 --> 2:02:47.360 soccer coach blowing the greens for the summer time because 2:02:47.560 --> 2:02:48.320 wait till time. 2:02:49.480 --> 2:02:51.240 The truest iron man of. 2:02:51.240 --> 2:02:54.480 The NFL just got done listening to a podcast where 2:02:54.480 --> 2:02:55.360 you're talking about the. 2:02:55.240 --> 2:02:57.879 PDR and who do who do interview? 2:02:58.600 --> 2:03:02.200 You need to interview JB. Mooney. It's n A U 2:03:02.360 --> 2:03:05.640 N e Y, the truest iron man of the TDR. 2:03:06.240 --> 2:03:10.960 His story is amazing. I love you guys. Thanks someone that's. 2:03:10.920 --> 2:03:12.080 Bull riding right right. Yeah. 2:03:12.200 --> 2:03:14.480 The people love falling in and they want us to 2:03:14.480 --> 2:03:15.600 be some bull riding guys. 2:03:15.960 --> 2:03:18.600 I would love to go see these jokers and I 2:03:18.640 --> 2:03:20.480 want to talk you got Yeah, that'd be fun to 2:03:20.520 --> 2:03:22.280 interview one of those fucking crazy dudes. 2:03:22.360 --> 2:03:22.800 I'm down. 2:03:22.840 --> 2:03:26.760 Bro Lard was like competing against water, these guys compete 2:03:26.800 --> 2:03:28.560 against bulls. 2:03:29.040 --> 2:03:31.120 Wow, let me get down there. Let me be the 2:03:31.160 --> 2:03:33.640 rodeo climb for the day. Come on, now, let's do it. 2:03:34.160 --> 2:03:36.880 Mutt and busting dude, Mutton busting. 2:03:37.040 --> 2:03:40.640 Scott Eastwood once. I don't know if he invited me 2:03:40.720 --> 2:03:42.600 or told me he was going to the PBR in 2:03:42.760 --> 2:03:43.440 l A. 2:03:44.920 --> 2:03:46.640 But I was like, what the fuck's PVR. 2:03:46.720 --> 2:03:49.720 He's like, dude's pro writing bull or pro bullriting. Yeah, 2:03:49.720 --> 2:03:51.600 pro bul right, they got nationwide. 2:03:51.720 --> 2:03:52.920 It's it's a big thing. See. 2:03:52.960 --> 2:03:54.600 I want to go to Texas. I want to steal 2:03:54.600 --> 2:03:56.520 some Texas valor. I want to wear the I want 2:03:56.520 --> 2:03:58.560 to wear the hat. I want the belt buckle, you 2:03:59.160 --> 2:04:01.360 tay guy dole shoe us, the ropes. 2:04:02.040 --> 2:04:03.200 I want to do it up. I want to do 2:04:03.200 --> 2:04:06.600 it right. I wanted the whole shebanga bang. Let's do it. Hell, yes, 2:04:06.760 --> 2:04:08.320 let's do it. JB Money, all right. 2:04:08.480 --> 2:04:11.320 JB Mooney, we gotta we gotta start fishing for him online. 2:04:11.720 --> 2:04:14.160 We'll follow him on social all right, fans help us out. 2:04:14.200 --> 2:04:18.040 All right, hey, Jules stand from Rhode Island. 2:04:18.840 --> 2:04:19.560 Now that you've. 2:04:19.360 --> 2:04:24.560 Gotten uh spurge Ernie and some of the support staff 2:04:24.600 --> 2:04:29.400 on trying to break into the training room and get 2:04:29.520 --> 2:04:30.760 jimbo Whalen. 2:04:32.480 --> 2:04:40.520 Allen, Jim Whalen or Joe Van Allen bro deep cut. Wow, 2:04:40.640 --> 2:04:43.840 they have, I mean, they got some stories. I don't 2:04:43.880 --> 2:04:48.000 think they would open up bybe She's scared, dude. 2:04:48.120 --> 2:04:49.120 This is a real deal, Pats. 2:04:49.800 --> 2:04:51.160 This sounds like an inside job. 2:04:51.280 --> 2:04:53.800 Inside job by someone in there. But that makes sense. 2:04:54.960 --> 2:04:57.800 I think inside Jim lives in Rhode Island, and I'm 2:04:57.800 --> 2:05:00.880 pretty sure I think Joda's. 2:05:00.520 --> 2:05:04.120 Too interesting interesting because. 2:05:03.880 --> 2:05:05.920 I used to go to one of I used to 2:05:05.960 --> 2:05:10.040 go to Joe Joe's little son's hockey games. 2:05:10.360 --> 2:05:12.520 What a guy won socket. 2:05:12.240 --> 2:05:18.600 Support, but hockey rink a lot of a lot of 2:05:18.960 --> 2:05:20.400 What kind of guy were you in the training room? 2:05:21.080 --> 2:05:24.160 What kind of guy was I in them? Now? What 2:05:24.320 --> 2:05:25.040 year are we talking? 2:05:25.160 --> 2:05:30.400 We're talking prime. We're talking prime. Uh like winning? You 2:05:30.400 --> 2:05:33.440 already got one super Bowl into your belt, Like, heyday baby. 2:05:33.600 --> 2:05:39.640 Probably pretty needy, Probably pretty needy. Hey, those guys are 2:05:39.640 --> 2:05:42.000 the best. They put up with me, and they a 2:05:42.080 --> 2:05:46.080 lot of the times they the trainers act like psychologists. 2:05:46.560 --> 2:05:47.760 I could see you know what I mean, You're on 2:05:47.800 --> 2:05:50.960 the table and you're you're beat up. You know, the 2:05:51.000 --> 2:05:54.840 medical staff and the training staff that we had, you know, 2:05:55.000 --> 2:05:57.920 like you're bitching to them. They're just taking it. They're 2:05:57.960 --> 2:06:01.280 listening to everything. I mean, they're they're great dudes. I 2:06:01.320 --> 2:06:03.280 was probably very needy though, I feel that. 2:06:04.600 --> 2:06:08.040 Sorry, guys, takes a village baby, all last one here. 2:06:08.880 --> 2:06:12.880 Hey, this is Carrie from Virginia. You guys, hands down 2:06:12.920 --> 2:06:16.280 have the best sports podcast. You're the ones that deserve 2:06:16.800 --> 2:06:20.640 a nine figure deal. Somebody ought to give that to you. 2:06:21.120 --> 2:06:23.560 But a name a game that I'd love for you 2:06:23.600 --> 2:06:27.960 to do thank you is the Onto Cincinnati game where 2:06:28.000 --> 2:06:32.440 the Chiefs whooped up on the Patriots on September twenty ninth, 2:06:33.080 --> 2:06:37.040 twenty fourteen. Because I believe the backlash from that game 2:06:37.160 --> 2:06:41.200 spurred on the Second Dynasty. I would love to have 2:06:41.280 --> 2:06:43.839 maybe Alex Smith cover that game. 2:06:44.320 --> 2:06:46.480 I think that'd be a really interesting game to cover. 2:06:46.960 --> 2:06:48.240 Thanks Bett. 2:06:49.040 --> 2:06:50.919 What's her name, Carrie, Carrie from Virginia. 2:06:51.480 --> 2:06:53.920 That's it'd be a fun game to go over. Really 2:06:54.120 --> 2:06:57.280 ripple effects of that game, seriously, And it'd be cool 2:06:57.280 --> 2:06:58.960 to have Alex Smith to come on here and I 2:06:59.440 --> 2:07:02.200 got a couple of bones to pick with him. 2:07:02.600 --> 2:07:05.400 I heard a couple of his takes on NFL Prime coming. 2:07:05.200 --> 2:07:07.200 On here and plug his UFO Sandals. He said, their 2:07:07.240 --> 2:07:13.440 life changing UFO. You know those giants. He's promoting those 2:07:13.440 --> 2:07:16.200 big vix sandals. I haven't seen him, maybe I do 2:07:16.360 --> 2:07:17.840 have recoveries. 2:07:17.320 --> 2:07:19.960 And he said they changed his life. That's interesting. He's 2:07:19.960 --> 2:07:20.720 a stud man. 2:07:21.160 --> 2:07:23.880 I will give it to Alex Smith the you know, 2:07:24.640 --> 2:07:27.880 not just his injury thing that he went through, but 2:07:28.200 --> 2:07:30.880 the second career he had after I grew up in 2:07:30.880 --> 2:07:32.840 the Niners, when they drafted him number one overall, we 2:07:32.840 --> 2:07:34.880 thought he was a bust. I thought he was a joke, 2:07:35.320 --> 2:07:38.720 you know, and then turned it around and started playing 2:07:38.720 --> 2:07:41.800 pretty good and then he you know, got got paid 2:07:41.880 --> 2:07:44.160 and did well in Kansas City. Was he was a 2:07:44.200 --> 2:07:48.160 good good quarterback, you know he from what he started. 2:07:48.880 --> 2:07:51.360 I mean they also had nothing in San Francisco. They 2:07:51.880 --> 2:07:54.440 just it was bad. I forgot about that era. 2:07:54.600 --> 2:07:57.640 That era was bad. It was post Jeff Garcia. I think, 2:07:58.280 --> 2:07:59.640 oh yeah, and. 2:07:59.600 --> 2:08:01.480 They were you're still kind of we weren't like good 2:08:01.600 --> 2:08:05.400 then the Niners, but we were like competitive enough to 2:08:05.400 --> 2:08:09.800 get to like the wild card. Maybe we lose the 2:08:09.840 --> 2:08:12.360 Green Bay all the time in the fucking divisional round. 2:08:12.680 --> 2:08:14.640 That was like, was that like Brandon Lloyd was there. 2:08:15.160 --> 2:08:18.640 B Lloyd was probably with Alex Smith, right, I thought, 2:08:18.680 --> 2:08:20.080 I thought that was kind of his only guy. 2:08:20.520 --> 2:08:22.400 I went to the game where b Lloyd had that 2:08:22.480 --> 2:08:25.440 crazy catch. I think it was a preseason game. 2:08:25.680 --> 2:08:27.480 I think of that catch probably like once a month. 2:08:27.600 --> 2:08:28.760 We went backhand on there. 2:08:28.880 --> 2:08:30.880 It's insane. It pops up on my Instagram. I share 2:08:30.880 --> 2:08:31.640 it with you every time. 2:08:31.720 --> 2:08:34.720 I still remember a story about bu Lloyd. He got 2:08:34.720 --> 2:08:39.160 this sick Porsche delivered to the stadium nice like insane. 2:08:39.200 --> 2:08:42.000 It was like one of those specialty Porsches. It had 2:08:42.040 --> 2:08:43.880 a big wing on the back like it's like a 2:08:43.960 --> 2:08:46.600 race Porsche and I go, man, things sick. 2:08:46.640 --> 2:08:49.920 He goes, Nah, this shit sucks. I go, what are 2:08:49.920 --> 2:08:50.440 you talking about? 2:08:50.480 --> 2:08:54.400 He goes that Finn looks terrible, Like I'm like, what 2:08:54.440 --> 2:08:54.880 are you gonna do? 2:08:54.920 --> 2:08:56.960 He's like, I'm I sent it back. They're gonna take 2:08:56.960 --> 2:08:57.880 the goddamn fin off. 2:08:59.080 --> 2:09:01.240 It sounds like me after an episode, Oh my. 2:09:01.120 --> 2:09:04.480 God, Brandon Lloyd a high standard, high standing top gear. 2:09:04.520 --> 2:09:07.120 Brandon, I don't understand why you ordered that one then, 2:09:08.040 --> 2:09:09.280 like I gotta get the story on it. 2:09:09.320 --> 2:09:10.640 I loved b Lloyd. He was fun. 2:09:10.680 --> 2:09:12.040 I like the idea of like it's like you order 2:09:12.120 --> 2:09:13.840 something from Amazon's like, it doesn't really fit. 2:09:13.880 --> 2:09:18.680 I hate this, like I'll take you by us. It sucks. 2:09:18.920 --> 2:09:21.240 I don't know what it was that, but yeah, I 2:09:21.280 --> 2:09:25.280 remember he's like, I hate the fit, Like what it's 2:09:25.320 --> 2:09:27.040 a Porsche race Porsche. 2:09:27.480 --> 2:09:30.160 Brandon. What a beast bro he was. I learned a 2:09:30.160 --> 2:09:30.720 lot from him. 2:09:30.880 --> 2:09:35.880 I love to ask Alex Smith about Urban Meyer in Utah. 2:09:34.920 --> 2:09:41.760 Oh yeah, cut old Urban before he got those headaches, 2:09:41.800 --> 2:09:44.920 Old Urban before he was hanging out with the co 2:09:45.120 --> 2:09:47.000 ed's up in Ohio, stayed at the bar. 2:09:47.440 --> 2:09:51.440 Old Urban is that Columbus I hear. 2:09:51.760 --> 2:09:55.080 I believe so old Urban said, you guys go home, 2:09:55.200 --> 2:09:57.800 back to Jacksonville, hang around for a day or two. 2:09:57.680 --> 2:10:04.000 O business to it didn't too man. 2:10:04.000 --> 2:10:07.800 I'm just I've never heard a coach not go back 2:10:07.800 --> 2:10:10.080 with the team, you can say, except Bill Parcells after 2:10:10.080 --> 2:10:10.560 the super Bowl. 2:10:10.560 --> 2:10:11.960 But he was already out the door. Yeah, but he was. 2:10:12.120 --> 2:10:15.960 He took the Patriots shop right wild though? Was it 2:10:16.000 --> 2:10:18.160 the Patriots? He took the Jets Jets shop because he 2:10:18.160 --> 2:10:20.560 lost the Super Bowl with the Pats. And one more 2:10:20.560 --> 2:10:23.640 thing on carry here nine figured deals pretty sweet. 2:10:23.440 --> 2:10:24.000 Pretty sweet? 2:10:24.280 --> 2:10:24.640 All right? 2:10:24.680 --> 2:10:26.080 You know, Jeff Bezos give me text. 2:10:26.160 --> 2:10:26.800 I don't know, Jeff. 2:10:27.480 --> 2:10:29.040 I did go to a party one so I saw 2:10:29.080 --> 2:10:30.320 him there. 2:10:30.720 --> 2:10:33.480 Really rich. He just looks rich. I was gonna say, no, 2:10:33.520 --> 2:10:35.680 he's buff to super villain swag. 2:10:36.960 --> 2:10:38.720 The Amazon football, that whole crew. 2:10:39.000 --> 2:10:40.320 Huh does he really think so? 2:10:40.560 --> 2:10:45.920 Yeah, Chris said, cet ct says he's really cool. 2:10:46.000 --> 2:10:48.680 Hangs out with freaking fitz Patrick. Man. 2:10:48.800 --> 2:10:52.880 Damn usually go fishing for like stars on the billionaires. 2:10:53.200 --> 2:10:54.040 That'd be tight, dude. 2:10:54.160 --> 2:10:54.800 Sponsors. 2:10:55.040 --> 2:10:58.400 We already had one. We had cubes, cubes, we had 2:10:58.440 --> 2:11:00.800 a couple, and then we have another one. Uh, Ernie's 2:11:00.800 --> 2:11:04.520 probably a billionaire. We just secret he probably is. 2:11:05.440 --> 2:11:08.080 I bet bro, he's got the stock tips man, he 2:11:08.240 --> 2:11:10.160 cracked it. He definitely did we. 2:11:10.160 --> 2:11:12.080 Know Trav though. Trav let us hold a couple of that. Bro, 2:11:12.160 --> 2:11:13.800 You got us in for a couple. You got the 2:11:13.920 --> 2:11:14.480 Edelman bump. 2:11:14.480 --> 2:11:17.720 After Jewels came on and told the the hot up story, 2:11:17.760 --> 2:11:19.760 Bro Man, that was awesome. 2:11:19.840 --> 2:11:21.960 That was a fun experience, you know. And then to 2:11:22.040 --> 2:11:26.360 top it off with a Boston legend like Scalabrini Gal 2:11:27.120 --> 2:11:27.840 And that's been. 2:11:27.760 --> 2:11:29.720 Another episode of Games with Names. 2:11:30.040 --> 2:11:34.680 Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you listen to your podcast. 2:11:34.240 --> 2:11:36.160 Comment a game you want us to do and remember, 2:11:36.320 --> 2:11:37.160 rate and review. 2:11:38.640 --> 2:11:41.800 Remember to follow Games with Names on YouTube, Instagram, x TikTok, 2:11:41.920 --> 2:11:45.120 and Snapchat. Leave a message on the hotline at four 2:11:45.160 --> 2:11:48.320 two four two nine one two two nine zero. 2:11:48.560 --> 2:11:49.520 See you next week. 2:11:53.400 --> 2:11:55.880 Games and Names the production of iHeart Radio. 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