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Speaker 2: Welcome to games with names, I'm Julian Edelman, There, Jack

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Speaker 2: and Kyler, and we are on.

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Speaker 1: A mission to find the greatest game of all freaking time.

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Speaker 2: And on today's episode, we are covering Scalabrini game, Game

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Speaker 2: five of the two thousand and four Eastern Conference Semifinals

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Speaker 2: with NBA vet Boston legend the White Mamba himself, Brian Scalabrini.

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Speaker 2: We get into talking how he became the White Mamba

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Speaker 2: And a wild Larry Bird story at the very very end.

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Speaker 2: And then we wrap it up by hitting the old hotline.

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Speaker 2: You gotta stick around to the end. Let's go Games

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Speaker 2: with Names is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: May fourteenth, two thousand and four.

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Speaker 2: The Palace at Auburn Hills, Auburn Hills, Michigan.

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Speaker 1: The Jersey Boys versus the Bad Boys would need a

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Speaker 1: this galapriyah. I feel like the NBA is turned into

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Games with Names.

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Speaker 2: We have a very special guest and we are talking

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Speaker 1: With Brian Scalabrining. Welcome to the studio, man. I love

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Speaker 2: You know, playing in Boston for twelve years, I always

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was a nasty game that I actually

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Speaker 1: Cube stories from all the Big Three stuff, right, But

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00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,160
Speaker 1: I don't go to the parties afterwards, which I wish

430
00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,679
Speaker 1: I would, but I don't know. No. But you know,

431
00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,439
Speaker 1: like ice Cube, the one thing I will say, like

432
00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,600
Speaker 1: he's the founder of the league, but he it's not

433
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,439
Speaker 1: like he's just dropping money and doing other things. Yeah,

434
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,760
Speaker 1: like he's designing uniforms, he's picking making rules. He's like

435
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,720
Speaker 1: on every conference call, he's on me, like, so I

436
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,680
Speaker 1: do everything there, I do a sideline reporting analyst, work

437
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,760
Speaker 1: play by play right, and if I mess up, he's

438
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,359
Speaker 1: on me like right away, text message right. So, like

439
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,880
Speaker 1: he's all over it and this is his baby, right.

440
00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,160
Speaker 1: He still wraps, he still goes on tour, still does movies,

441
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,639
Speaker 1: but like this is like I created this thing and

442
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,640
Speaker 1: he's doing a really good job of building this thing up.

443
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 1: I mean I don't have that I had.

444
00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,240
Speaker 2: I made a Patriots hat, a Boston Patriots hat that

445
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,960
Speaker 2: I always resembled off of his Oakland Raiders hat that

446
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:14,359
Speaker 2: he used to.

447
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 1: Wear back in the day. Like, yeah, match up with

448
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:19,119
Speaker 1: the starter jacket.

449
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love. Yeah, man, I'm a Calli guy. You're

450
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:22,920
Speaker 2: a Kelli guy.

451
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 1: But you did you grow up? I grew up in

452
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 1: the Bay. Oh what right? I watched your your doc? Yeah,

453
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:31,200
Speaker 1: I watched your doc. That's right.

454
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 2: So that's that's off of ice Cube and the Boys. Yeah, yeah,

455
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,639
Speaker 2: I grew up in the Bay. You grew up in

456
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 2: you were born in Long Beach, Then you grew up

457
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:40,640
Speaker 2: in Washington State.

458
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I moved there when I was like twelve twelve. Yeah,

459
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,159
Speaker 1: so you are you a Cally kidd? Are you washing Washington?

460
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:46,920
Speaker 1: Because I grew up high school and all that shuff

461
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,160
Speaker 1: even though I went back to USC you know, I mean,

462
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,639
Speaker 1: is not really my vibe. I like going down to

463
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,359
Speaker 1: LA but it's like it's not my body. Yeah. I

464
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,879
Speaker 1: like like when you came out here and the people

465
00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,120
Speaker 1: were super rough, right, It's like it was to me

466
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 1: it was like a match made in heaven. I was like, man,

467
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 1: this is great. All these people they just tell you

468
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 1: how it is exactly.

469
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 2: That's what it is. I always explain that, you know

470
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 2: when when when people ask me, like East Coast people,

471
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,359
Speaker 2: Boston people, they really I'm like, they're not mean. They're

472
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 2: just very upfront and they're very honest, and they're not

473
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 2: gonna sit here and you know, walk by and say

474
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 2: hello because they got ship to do. Yeah, but that

475
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 2: same person, if something were to happen to you on

476
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 2: the street, that asshole that you think is an asshole

477
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 2: would probably help you. And if you go to different cities,

478
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 2: the people that are nice to you probably just keep

479
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 2: on walking, you know. So that's how I always explain

480
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 2: the Northeastern person. You know, they're they're just very straightforward.

481
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 2: They're straight shooters, they they but they're actually nice, nice

482
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,159
Speaker 2: ass people, like when ship's hitting the fan.

483
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 1: For sure, Like I think when I can explain all

484
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,639
Speaker 1: this when I'm I coached the Warriors one year in

485
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 1: the Bay, or like this, LA's a little like this.

486
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 1: I just the best way to describe it is when

487
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: you drive around, you're like, listen, I gotta get over

488
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: you're there. I got some space. I'm gonna squeeze in.

489
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 1: It is what it is. A guy in here might

490
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 1: just come on, man, like, just what are you doing

491
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: over there? It's on the horn. They speed up, they're

492
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 1: super aggressive to you, but then you saw them later

493
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:20,919
Speaker 1: they'd be like, hey, how you doing, man? I make

494
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 1: this great day outside? Right, It's like like I just

495
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 1: just be who you are. Don't be overly aggressive, passive

496
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 1: aggressive in the car or and then when you see

497
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 1: me into my face or just like super nice. Like

498
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: people here are like and I'm not saying this is

499
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 1: obviously we're blanket statementing a lot of people, but like

500
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 1: in general, like people here are just real, like they're

501
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 1: just real and up front, and I do agree, like

502
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 1: if you meet people here, they are willing to help,

503
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 1: like when you are in trouble. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now

504
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: what was it like growing up in Washington? Uh? I,

505
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: you know, like it was the best place for me

506
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: to grow up. I grew up in a small town

507
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: about forty miles outside of Seattle. Seattle's a really big

508
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: hoop bed, like and it all starts. It all started

509
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 1: a long time ago with Doug Christie, and then that

510
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: got pushed to Michael Dickerson and then Jason Terry and

511
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,239
Speaker 1: then now Jamal Crawford. It's a really inclusive community when

512
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 1: it comes to ball. Like there's other places where everyone

513
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: like mad dogs each other and they're trying to fight

514
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: for the top. In Seattle, it's like, let's bring everybody along.

515
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: So if you're like a young guy and you can

516
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: go to pick up and you see like pros there,

517
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: you just learn differently, right, And so that environment really

518
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: helped me because I didn't think I was a pro ever,

519
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,439
Speaker 1: Like I thought not until I was like a junior

520
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 1: in college that I even think about being a professional athlete.

521
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 1: I would just like, well, I mean I don't know,

522
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 1: like just small town white kid, you know, like just

523
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: not that athletic. No, I didn't know the nuances of

524
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: the game, so I never saw myself like that until

525
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 1: I started going to those pickup runs and seeing the

526
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 1: way that those guys and getting a stop or maybe

527
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 1: going up and finishing over a guy. Right, It's like

528
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: it's like small things that could have happened. But but

529
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 1: those guys, if I'm not in that environment, like your

530
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,360
Speaker 1: trajectory changes when you're young. If you don't see that,

531
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 1: you just stay at a level, play with your friends.

532
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: You are what you are. But until you get thrown

533
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 1: in that fire and you have a little bit of success,

534
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: like that changes your outcome. Whatever that could be five

535
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 1: years from now, but it definitely changes the way you

536
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: look at things.

537
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, now, the pickup run is such a big thing

538
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 2: in basketball. M Like you always hear about these games.

539
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know anything about it. But like

540
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 2: you said, in your area, in you know, Washington, you

541
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 2: guys were all inclusive with each other, and you guys

542
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 2: wanted to help each other ball to make very good.

543
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: I heard you. Are you playing You played pick up

544
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 1: with the new Cooper kid? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well

545
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: how's he doing well? Now? He's amazing, right, like yeah,

546
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 1: but so like at the time, so I know a

547
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: guy up in Maine and he trains Cooper and he

548
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: was like telling me these stories about this at the time,

549
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: thirteen year old playing against the U Maine guys and

550
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 1: he would struggle for like twelve minutes and then for

551
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: the last thirty minutes of the scrimmage he would start

552
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: to dominate. I'm like, man, get the fuck out of here,

553
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: No way, no way, a thirteen year old is better

554
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: than D one players. It's just that's not true. You

555
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 1: can't you can't tell me that you're building up your guy.

556
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 1: So I go, all right, like bring him down. So

557
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: I work with this team at the time, which now

558
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 1: I started my own AAU program, but at the time

559
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: I worked with the Bay State Jaguars and we had

560
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: guys in there and it's great, Like let me kind

561
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: of explain. At first, I was Scow the guy on

562
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 1: TV that played for the Celtics. Within about a month,

563
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: like we're nose to nose with these kids, and we

564
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 1: have a rule like we can push, but no punches. Ever,

565
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: nobody can throw punches. You get to two more on suspension.

566
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 1: So we like to get what we're trying to do

567
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,479
Speaker 1: is take soft ass white kids and like build them

568
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: up and get them. Like, when you're in this environment,

569
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: you'll be able to survive. And you ain't gonna be

570
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: able to survive with us just being like nice shot Johnny,

571
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: Like it's not gonna work. Right, So we have this

572
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: thing like we go nose to nose, and I've gone

573
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: with these guys for a while, So I told the

574
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 1: guy from Maine, send them down, Like if he can

575
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: live here, he'll be fine, right, So send him down.

576
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: Parents show up, great people, great triple drove from Maine.

577
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 1: Like it's four and a half. He's thirteen. No, not

578
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: with the parents, Yeah, four and a half, like four

579
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: and a half hours, gets out of the car, go

580
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,479
Speaker 1: you need to warm them up. He's like he just

581
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: like put on his two knee braces. Right. I'm like,

582
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: all right, man, let's go. So first possession. He goes

583
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: to the right and he pump fakes, and let me

584
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: give you a little bit of a background here, Like

585
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: I brought in some other kids and they were not

586
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: about that. And the guys who I played against were

587
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: killing me about bringing in these other kids. Right, So

588
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: then for me, I'm always talking shit. So I'm like, yo,

589
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: I got somebody for you today. Man, this guy's gonna

590
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: come and whoop your ass right fourteen years old. They're like, man,

591
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: no way, and I go it's Kid Cooper Flag and

592
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: they're like, huh, I heard of him. But nah, man,

593
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: no one can come in here. And on day one

594
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: survive in this environment when we got the music cranking.

595
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: We play games where you can only have the ball

596
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: in your hand for two seconds. You have to shot

597
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: clock in eight seconds. So we're doing all these things

598
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: to mess people up, all right. So he comes down,

599
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,719
Speaker 1: he dribbles right, he pump fakes, he throws it up

600
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: off the backboard, he goes up with the left and

601
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: he dunks it right. The gym was silent, like you

602
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: can hear a pin drop in the gym. And I'm like, ooh,

603
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: I got some motherfuckers for you now, right, So I

604
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: give him a chest pump and then we just start going.

605
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: It was one of our best days. But he survived.

606
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: Guys in the gym or seventeen eighteen nineteen, there's countless

607
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: D one players there, like he held his own more

608
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: than and then when we sped the game up, he

609
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: just like the game just slowed down for him. So

610
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: I get I told to the parents, I'm like, this

611
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: kid's a pro. Like, I don't know what type of pro.

612
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: There's levels of pro. You could be a Hall of Famer,

613
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: an All Star, a starter, a bench player, guy like me, right,

614
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: and you could be a guy that's like ten day contract.

615
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: There's all of them are pros. But like, what level

616
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: are you gonna be? And it depends on what you do.

617
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: So I call USA Basketball the next day, I call

618
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: Duke the next day. I'm telling you, guys, man, this

619
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: guy is nasty. They blew me off kid from Maine.

620
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: He's all right, we'll bring him in for you whatever.

621
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: And he just took off from there. And the key is,

622
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: the key is he's gifted. He's super gifted. He's a

623
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: basketball prodigy. But he's not afraid. Man, he's nasty. Like

624
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: he's not afraid to walk into places and be and

625
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: go at people knows who knows. And you saw it

626
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: when he was scrimmaging USA basketball. You saw him like

627
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: with Anthony Davis, Lebron James, like all those guys. He

628
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: was going at him. Man, the great White Hope. I mean,

629
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: that's what everyone, That's what everyone thinks he just signed

630
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: with New Balance. Maybe he loves Larry Big Larry Bird

631
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: fan Larry. That's that kind of guy. But he's nasty

632
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: like that, is he He's like, he's like tough like

633
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: Larry Bird was tough? Is he is?

634
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 2: He quiet on the court? Does he talks ship? Talked ship,

635
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 2: but he talked ship with his ball.

636
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: He talked ship. He talked ship like after like something.

637
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: He's always talking. He's always talking. Yeah, he yeah, I

638
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: mean he's always chirping, you know. And and he got

639
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: that fire like you know when we went in there.

640
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: I went up to Mania, uh I think it was

641
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: two years ago now, and and we scrimmaged and we

642
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,959
Speaker 1: got him the first day. You could tell he walked in.

643
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: He wasn't talking to nobody. He was coming in. He

644
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: tied his shoes, he's ready. He was not laughing, he

645
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: was not joking. And he murdered us. Murdered us. Yeah,

646
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: so we'll see. He will be one year at Duke.

647
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: Good chance he'll be at number one pick, if not

648
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: a top three pick, and then you know, then there's that.

649
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: Then the league is a different animal. It's like there's

650
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: so many different levels of players in the NBA. There's

651
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: and and you know, we'll see what he becomes. But

652
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: he's a worker, he's tough, he's gifted. You know, he's

653
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: got a great environment, great family. You know. I wish

654
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: I hope him that he's like whatever he could become.

655
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: I feel like you'll maximize this potentially.

656
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 2: You know, it's going to be so fun to watch

657
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 2: because I always like watching the guys that are these

658
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 2: hype guys. Like he's got hype. I mean we're talking

659
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 2: about him. He's not even you know, in college yet. Yeah,

660
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: so like these hype guys, it's pretty It just makes you.

661
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 2: It brings you a little attention to that area. You know,

662
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, I want to see what this guy does.

663
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 2: Can he is going to live up to it? Or

664
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 2: is he going to believe it?

665
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: Yeah? You know, I mean Maine, Maine main Like there's

666
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: like you can't name four NBA players from me, you Like,

667
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: you can't name one really outside of Cooper, Like like

668
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: there's there's just it's just not an environment for that.

669
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: It's just not it's just that makes it more impressive.

670
00:31:55,920 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: It's beyond it's it's prodigy and he's super gifted. He

671
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: has a twin brother who was always like forty fifty

672
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: pounds heavier than him growing up, and beat the shit

673
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: out of him right, and then he just he never

674
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: backed down, He never cried to mom. He just kept

675
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: going out. No, his brother now is small, Say geez,

676
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: his brother played for me on my team, White Mam.

677
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: But he was good. He's a good player. Like I

678
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: think he'll go to U Maine. You know, it's just

679
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: like but his you know, like you grow up. You

680
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: grew up getting your ass whipped like by your older

681
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: by your twin brother. Like you just never think that

682
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: you're good or not, even if you're gifted. You're just

683
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: always going at your brother who's big, and it's like

684
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: hard to beat those guys, can't.

685
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 2: No, No, we got to talk about you said, White Mamba,

686
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 2: the one on ones when you challenge.

687
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: Well, it was kind of like the movie.

688
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: So we were talking about, you know that he had

689
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 2: to get some some fucking mojo. So he went on

690
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 2: and started beating the shit out of people.

691
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: How is that? So I was are you familiar touching

692
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: and Rich? Yeah? Okay, yeah, sports tub. So I was

693
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: on the sports tub and they everyone asked me, like

694
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: listen when I got done playing basketball, like I'm a

695
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,959
Speaker 1: hoop hit. I still play now, even though, like I know,

696
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: like football players, you gotta see it differently, like you

697
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: guys are fucking done when you're done, right, Like yeah,

698
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: So I still play, like I play against these high

699
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: school kids like I go and I just play all

700
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: the time. And but at the time when I just

701
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: got out, I was playing, like you can't believe, like

702
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: I was going. I would do the Celtic games, and

703
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: I think, like a sneaky side of me did the

704
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: Celtic job just so I can go to different cities

705
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: and find pick up to play in like that's how

706
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,239
Speaker 1: I was a I'm like a pickup savage, right. But

707
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: I was thirty three at the time. So I'm playing

708
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: all these pickup games. And I had this rec league

709
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: and the night before I just had I was going

710
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: I had to go and I had sixty five points.

711
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: So someone gets on the chat and was just they

712
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: just started frying me in the chat. So I'm like,

713
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: y'all really think, like I don't think that, Like I

714
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: don't think I could tackle you. I don't think I

715
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: can hit a fucking baseball, Like I don't think I

716
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: can hit a golf ball like I don't think. I

717
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: don't think I could do. I don't think I could

718
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: play Batman, you know, I don't think like that. I

719
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: think I could hoop right, And I don't even think

720
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: I'm that good of a one on one player, but

721
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: I'm better than like average Joe's. So I was just

722
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: you know what, I'll play anybody anytime, just like sending

723
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: your videos. We'll pick the best players and we'll just

724
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: we'll go. I'll play five of you guys in a row.

725
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: Wouldn't matter to me. And so I just went in

726
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: there and once, like the way it works, once I

727
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: see something once or twice, I'm like, all right, I

728
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: know what you are. You're you're a right handed pull up,

729
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: You're a left handed to the cup. You like to

730
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: step back, you know, like I could. I can if

731
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: I see someone live twice like two possessions, I know

732
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: exactly what you are. Right, I've seen it. I've seen

733
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: it on the highest level. And by the way, besides,

734
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: like Kobe Bryant, most guys in the NBA do like

735
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: two to seven things max to get open and get

736
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: a shot off. So I've seen that same move. But

737
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: it was Paul Pierce doing it, and now was you.

738
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: So I can stop you. I might not be able

739
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: to stop Paul Pierce, but I can stop you. So

740
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: I challenged five guys. I played him. You know, I

741
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: won like fifty five to eight. Bind you know, but

742
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: uh that gap is closing at forty six. Still got it,

743
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 1: still got I played?

744
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 4: Uh.

745
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: I played this dude called the Hesy God like he's

746
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: a YouTuber and he whooped my ass. Like he whooped

747
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: my ass. He just he like he built like you

748
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: like small, right and strong, and he just he was

749
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: doing shit that I've never even seen before. Right, So

750
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: these fucking you know what, isn't it crazy?

751
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 2: It is crazy how sport in general and all sports

752
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 2: it's getting to a like you watch some of these

753
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 2: football kids. I watch them on you know, YouTube in

754
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 2: or you know whatever, and you see the skill level

755
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 2: that they have. It's incredible. It's incredible. Or I'll get

756
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 2: into like a wormhole of watching hoopers. Oh yeah, these

757
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 2: like little kids, yeah, you know, like how they got

758
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 2: their their handles. And it's just the information age has

759
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 2: helped athlete worlds so much total because we used to

760
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,919
Speaker 2: I used to like hear folklore of how Jerry Rice

761
00:35:59,040 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 2: chained trained.

762
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't know how it is, and you

763
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: didn't see it. I didn't see it, but you would

764
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: hear and you would go to do it.

765
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 2: Now you can go onto Instagram see what your fucking

766
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 2: favorite athletes do and see everything correct and just be

767
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 2: a little gym rat and go do it and you know,

768
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 2: become great at it.

769
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like, my son loves Steph Curry, but my

770
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: son is not Steph Curry. But I think the best

771
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: Like this is crazy, right, I think the best offensive

772
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 1: player in the NBA, like a guy that every kid

773
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: should watch and every kid should embulate. I don't care

774
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: if you're fucking six ' ten or you're five to

775
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: ten is Trey Young. Trey Young, his footwork is perfect,

776
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: his handle is perfect, deficiency is perfect. Like I get it,

777
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: he's not he doesn't make shots, but everything he does

778
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,439
Speaker 1: is perfect. So if when I go to my son,

779
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, listen, you shouldn't watch Steph Curry Like that's

780
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: that's otherworldly, Like that's what he does is like I

781
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: don't like that's you can't even teach that. But what

782
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: you really should do is watch this guy. So like

783
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 1: like He's just glued to it. Trey Young, Trey Young,

784
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: Trey Young, Trey Jung. And so it's like you, that's

785
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: amazing how on Apple TV and YouTube he can watch

786
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: hours of Trey Young just all day long. Tray Young. Like, like,

787
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: we used to have the video tape put in the

788
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: thing and be watch highlights and it wasn't like learning highlights.

789
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: It was just dunks and threes and whatever. Right, So

790
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: you know the information age and sports and let's not

791
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 1: even I was on Instagram this morning and I saw

792
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: a guy, you know how like you have a feed

793
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: of people you follow, but sometimes they throw somebody in there.

794
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: I saw this dude in Minnesota training people. I'm like,

795
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: I can't do that, but I need a guy that

796
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: could do that to work with my team, right and

797
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: I need that right there, and I'll send him that

798
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: and I'll say, take this guy, study the hell out

799
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: of him, and I want you to do this with

800
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: my kids. Yeah.

801
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 2: I see there's one guy up in New York. I

802
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: see trains all these guys.

803
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: I think Brady Brickley, Yes, Brickley. Yeah. I am like

804
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 1: I watched some of the guys these drills.

805
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: There's so fascinating and they're so awesome to watch the

806
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 2: things they come up with and then see it translate.

807
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: Oh, they actually do that in the game. You know

808
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: what I mean.

809
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 2: You go from what we always used to say, you

810
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: go from the classroom to the drill, to the seven

811
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 2: on seven to the team period. You know, no one

812
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 2: sees those drills, the things that you do in order

813
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: to execute at you know, in the team periods.

814
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: You know.

815
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 2: So it's kind of similar watching these guys. They'll cut

816
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 2: up like one little thing and they'll do it a

817
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 2: million times and then they perfect it and then it's

818
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 2: just it.

819
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,439
Speaker 1: Has that changed in football, Like so like here's here's

820
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: the big thing. So in basketball, it's the dribble to

821
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: the gather, Like you can you could spin that ball

822
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: or hold that ball out as long as you possibly can,

823
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: as long as you don't put your hand underneath the

824
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: ball or put two hands on the ball, and you

825
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: can take a thousand steps if you want. Right. So

826
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: the whole gather series, Uh, Like the float and gather

827
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: is like kind of like James Harden, Right, he puts

828
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: the ball, he floats it and he goes then he

829
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: shoots it. Right, So he's like it's okay with their

830
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: hands on top of the ball. So that's been a

831
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: big change. Like not many players. There were some, but

832
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: not many, and back in the day did it. So

833
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 1: now like when you talk about little kids, like kids

834
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: that can't even play float the ball, high, gather, low, gather,

835
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: power gather, right, has there been a thing in football

836
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: where you watch and say, man, there was nobody doing that,

837
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: and now everybody's doing that.

838
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 2: For me, I think football it's just it's it's for

839
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 2: the receiver position. I think it's their release game. You know,

840
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 2: the releases at the line of scrimmage.

841
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: Shot it.

842
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 2: These guys they have such a big tool belt now

843
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: and they can practice it like my release is I

844
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 2: would release and instinctively just go. They use it as

845
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 2: like a weapon now where they have a counter, they

846
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 2: have a double, they have a speed, they have a

847
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Yeah, it's just I think

848
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 2: they're just everyone's a technician now. Everyone's a technician now,

849
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 2: and these big ass receipts everyone get in and out

850
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 2: of breaks. Like you watch a guy like Jamar Chase

851
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 2: or Justin Jefferson. Those guys used to be guys that

852
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 2: just went down the sideline. Jamar Chase is two hundred

853
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 2: and ten to fifteen pounds, six ' one six, a

854
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 2: tall six ' one, and he can get in and

855
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: out of breaks like like a little guy. You know,

856
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 2: that's the stuff you're starting to see here, you know,

857
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 2: in the league. And then also the rule changes have

858
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 2: allowed guys to, you know, play across the middle.

859
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 1: You know, it kind of happened in the middle of my.

860
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 2: Career where you couldn't hit the guys like they used

861
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 2: to in the head, right in the head or just

862
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 2: in general. You know, guys, we started farming this in

863
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 2: the young kids sports. You know, you start seeing him

864
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 2: Pop Warner, where these guys are starting to see, like

865
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: your favorite guy that used to be a headhunter or

866
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 2: a big hitter, he ain't even playing because he's suspended.

867
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 2: So and then the guy who's making the picks is

868
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 2: getting paid hell of money. So now they don't even

869
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 2: go for the big hit as much. They go for

870
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 2: an interception because you get paid if you get interceptions.

871
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 2: So the whole game has changed. It has become a

872
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 2: space game, very similar to basketball.

873
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: More space. It's spaced now, can I I've always wanted

874
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: to ask you this and this is for all guys

875
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: going over the middle. When you're going over the middle,

876
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: is that a feel that you know that there's a

877
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: guy there or not there?

878
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 2: So you know pre snap what's going to be. You

879
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 2: know the coverage, so I kind of know where guys

880
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: are supposed to be from the look before the snap.

881
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 2: Now there's a lot of variables when that happens. But

882
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 2: you know, if the quarterback comes late to you across

883
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 2: the middle and you're on a twenty yard ind and

884
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 2: you're starting to get past those numbers, that's usually when

885
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 2: you hit that middlefield safety. So I can anticipate if

886
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 2: I'm going to get my clock cleaned.

887
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: So's it's a gut or you actually when the ball's

888
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: in the air, because it's so slow for you, you

889
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: can say, damn about get hit? Well I can.

890
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 2: I can know by the time that you know when

891
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 2: the quarterback throw me the ball, where the quarterback threw

892
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 2: me the ball, that you know, if if the defense.

893
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 1: Is where they're supposed to be, I could be getting hit.

894
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 2: So you're prepared for you you're not, Yeah, you're prepared

895
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 2: for it, but you know going into it, Yeah, you

896
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 2: know if.

897
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: You're gonna get take one or not. Yeah, you know,

898
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: and you know, and you know when you're not. Yeah,

899
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: you know when you're not. You know when you're not.

900
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: You know where you're going. You're like, I'm gonna have

901
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna have a little bit of room here. Yeah,

902
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: So a lot of it.

903
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 2: You know, when you see a lot of those big hits,

904
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 2: it's sometimes it's receivers running through zones, you know what

905
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 2: I mean, because man coverage, you're not really gonna get

906
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 2: a hit unless there's a rat, a guy in the

907
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 2: middle of the field who has no responsibility that's reading

908
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 2: the quarterback size or you're deep and you hit that

909
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 2: middle field safety. So if man coverage you beat your guy,

910
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 2: you're good. But you always see these big hits because

911
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 2: it's a young receiver running like a bat out of

912
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,439
Speaker 2: hell through the zone. Yeah, waiting for and a guy

913
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 2: is waiting for you. So you can kind of anticipate

914
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: when you get older, you know where the soft spots

915
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 2: of the zones are. And if you have a good

916
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 2: rapport with the quarterback, he knows that as well, so

917
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 2: you know, you're his eyes out on the field, Like

918
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 2: I was a lot of times I'd be Tom's eyes

919
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 2: he'd trust where I was going and then you know,

920
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 2: he would throw me to where he wanted me to run.

921
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 2: You know, So if you put it on this shoulder,

922
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 2: he's saying, Hey, there's a guy over here, let's go this.

923
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: I see. I see. So that that's where the nuances come.

924
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: And when you watch that, you pick pick it up

925
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: right away, like you're watching ooh, young receiver or ooh

926
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: quarterback didn't do You can see when a guy gets

927
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: blown up, you know why he got there. So so

928
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: think about like what I do with the Celtics, right,

929
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: Like I love basketball, but it's really hard to explain

930
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: like the nuances of what the game is and then

931
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: try to make it so people can understand it. Right.

932
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: And it's funny how there's a misconception about every time

933
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 1: I meet up football player, the misconception is like dumb

934
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: football player. You guys like the smartest people, every single

935
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 1: one of you guys, and the layers of what you got. Mike,

936
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: you know that you know when you were on layer three, four, five,

937
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 1: like you know in the NBA we stop at two.

938
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 2: It's like, well, it's just because you know when you

939
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: when you play, when you play sixteen seventeen games and

940
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 2: you have a whole week to prepare for one game.

941
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 2: Just imagine, like like what you said when you're going

942
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 2: into playoffs. You guys got that book. Yeah, that's like

943
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: that every week because you can't. You can't slip up

944
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 2: and have a three game skid in the NFL. Your

945
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 2: season's over for sure, for sure. So you have you

946
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 2: have to prepare for everything to put yourself in the

947
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 2: position to go out and perform three hours on a

948
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 2: Sunday the best of your possibility, and then you have

949
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,240
Speaker 2: to dump it and go to the next week. Crazy,

950
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 2: you know, that's that's foot.

951
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: How how when you go to the playoffs is it

952
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: even more?

953
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I mean it's the speeds are always

954
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 2: like this. You know, you come in and March and

955
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 2: you got organized team activities and you start working out

956
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 2: for like six weeks with the team. You work out,

957
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 2: you're working on your speed, and then you guys start

958
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 2: doing a little you know ota where you're installing the offense,

959
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 2: and it's like a little faster because now you have

960
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 2: a guy across from you, but you're still there's no pads.

961
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: That's like faster.

962
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 2: Then you get to training camp and it's like a

963
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 2: lot faster hit, well not hitting, but just the speed.

964
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 2: And when you're feeling another guy on you, you know

965
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 2: what I mean, And when the ball's coming and all

966
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: of a sudden, you know you're not getting hit, but

967
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 2: the ball you know if you would have got hit,

968
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 2: So there's things flying around. Then you get the regular

969
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 2: season when you know you're not going against a guy

970
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 2: who's not going to make the team, and it gets

971
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 2: that much faster, and then you.

972
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 1: Get to the playoffs.

973
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 2: Every week that there's no business decisions anymore. Guys are

974
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 2: going like bad out of hell trying to kill you.

975
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 2: So it's it's crazy, but it's you know, that's that's

976
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 2: why we like playing the game for sure.

977
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: For sure. We'll be right back after this quick break.

978
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 6: Hey Hey, hey, it's Rab Gronkowski here and I'm with

979
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,720
Speaker 6: my bro or my dude, Jules.

980
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: And we are super excited to tell you about our

981
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: new show, Dudes on Dudes.

982
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: We're just regular dudes as well.

983
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 6: Sometimes we can't read, sometimes we can't speak properly, but.

984
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: That's what dudes do. But Dudes on Dudes, seriously, who

985
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: named this?

986
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 6: Anyways, we're spilling all the behind scenes stories crazy details

987
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 6: and honestly just having a blast talking football.

988
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 2: Every week, we're discussing our favorite players of all times,

989
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 2: from legends to our buddies to current stars, and the best.

990
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 6: Part, we're finally answering the age old question what kind

991
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 6: of dudes are these dudes?

992
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 2: Is Travis Kelce a stud or a freak? Is Tom

993
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 2: Brady a dog or dude's dude? We're gonna find out

994
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 2: every episode drops every Thursday during the NFL season.

995
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 6: Those are some good questions right there, Julian. We're gonna

996
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,680
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997
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:06,160
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998
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999
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,239
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1000
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:12,240
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1001
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 1: You don't want to miss this. Dudes on dudes, Let's

1002
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: go now.

1003
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,240
Speaker 2: This is a segment where we go back in time

1004
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 2: around the game. This was around May fourteenth, two thousand

1005
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 2: and four, good year, and we go over pop culture

1006
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 2: and then one movie was Troy brad Pitt You see that.

1007
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, good movie. Let's get a little bit about the

1008
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: Trojan Horse. I went to USC. Yeah, he fight on

1009
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: the Big ten. Now that's so weird. That's so weird

1010
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: to say it's crazy. Yeah, and the quarterback makes eight

1011
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: million bucks. Yeah, that's what thirty years I gotta go back.

1012
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 1: You know this quarterback was making eight million dollars in college.

1013
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 2: What a loser he's making forty now? Yeah, jesus, No

1014
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 2: one song was yeah by Usher. I think we all asked,

1015
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 2: like this was this was my high school? Oh my gosh,

1016
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 2: I was in high school here. I think that was

1017
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 2: like our prom song.

1018
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 1: Forgot Usher got you if you assisted in high school?

1019
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: And also a couple of heartbreaks. You know, you got

1020
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: it bad, bro, you got it bad. Oh you got

1021
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 1: it bad. No way, no way. You were crying out.

1022
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: No way, man, you're shedding a real tear. No way, amen,

1023
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: no way, no way you turn into this shedding a tear.

1024
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: You know, we're not just dumb. Football players are sensitive guys.

1025
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: Ain't no way, ain't no way. You're probably like all right,

1026
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: like like it's like you did well, you know what

1027
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: it's cover two? Now it's a cover three. I go

1028
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: to to the Nickel package. You had a backup playing.

1029
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: I know it.

1030
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 5: Let's find the soft spot in the zone.

1031
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: Oh, Kyler, what was it? What was it?

1032
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 2: Two thousand and four scal like right now, don this

1033
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 2: Oh my god, two thousand and four.

1034
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: So like I was year so I went to school

1035
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: five years so this see I'm twenty oh my gosh,

1036
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: twenty four, twenty three, twenty three, four, twenty five. So

1037
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: the game is just starting to slow down for me, right,

1038
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: Like there's a point when you talk about the speed

1039
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: of the game, Like when I first got into the

1040
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: NBA and it's some bullshit preseason game, I felt like

1041
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: I was in the middle of a highway and it

1042
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: was going a million miles an hour. I finally like

1043
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: kind of like started to carve out like who I am,

1044
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: what I am, this is what I do, trust my

1045
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: work and all that stuff. So just just at that

1046
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: point started to slow down. And you know, I also

1047
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: recognize that I'm never gonna be a this. I'm really

1048
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: happy doing this. Let me master my role and just

1049
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: and like, let me see how far I can go

1050
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: with this particular role. And I thought that was that

1051
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 1: hits a lot of guys, right there. A lot of guys.

1052
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 2: Guys don't manage their expectations and it takes them out

1053
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 2: of the overall big picture of why you just want

1054
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,720
Speaker 2: to be on a team. Yeah, you know so some guys,

1055
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I've seen it. You know, a guy thinks

1056
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 2: he should be here, and he's worrying about you know,

1057
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 2: what the coach is doing.

1058
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: He's worrying about this.

1059
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 2: When you know, if you just sit back and worry

1060
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 2: about what you have to do, that's when the great

1061
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 2: things happen.

1062
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: For sure, you know what I mean. So I can

1063
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: fully you know we had we had Jason Kidd on

1064
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: our team, right, and hey boy, and it's right baby.

1065
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 1: Just think about this, Like I had a really fast

1066
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: I played in junior college as well, I had a

1067
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: really fast team in junior college. I got really good

1068
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 1: at taking the ball out of bounds, right, some simple

1069
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: thing like all goes through the net, like whether it

1070
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: be like a quarterback in their drops. You know, I

1071
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: could want to and step on the line and as

1072
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: I step, I can release the ball. Right. So some

1073
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 1: meaningless nothing right that I got a lot of practice

1074
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,439
Speaker 1: on will be played fast. Well, all of a sudden

1075
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: I get drafted and Jason kids on my team. That

1076
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: shit matters. And if I take the ball out and

1077
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: it goes to Keny Martin for an alu, like my

1078
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 1: coaches are going to realize that it's a way of

1079
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 1: putting it like this. Let's say I was going to

1080
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: play four and a half minutes. Let's say I take

1081
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: the ball out, I get it the kid, and kid

1082
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: goes it to Martin. That might buy me thirty seconds.

1083
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: Let's say in that thirty seconds, I grab a rebound

1084
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 1: and I knocked down at three. I just bought myself

1085
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: three more minutes, right, So I lived under That was

1086
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: the year when I realized that I'm buying my time,

1087
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: like I'm bidding on my minutes by my play. And

1088
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: if I didn't play well, then probably wouldn't go back

1089
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: in the second half. But the point is play well

1090
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: enough to get a second half opportunity.

1091
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 2: See, that's the difference between basketball and football. Like I

1092
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 2: was in that same situation, but that was during practice. Really, yeah,

1093
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,919
Speaker 2: you know where that's how you earned your opportunity because

1094
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 2: on game day you're only dressing forty six out of

1095
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 2: fifty three. And if you don't do it in practice,

1096
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 2: if you don't take advantage of those opportunities those inbounds

1097
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 2: or whatever in practice, and they didn't see you.

1098
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: Do it, they weren't putting you out on that fucking field. Wow,

1099
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: So wait a minute, how many how many possessions offensively

1100
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: in a football game? Typically there's about usually about sixty plays? Okay,

1101
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: going into that, do they know by.

1102
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 2: Like eleven on a high what is it like seven

1103
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 2: to eleven possessions.

1104
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: Per per side? So do you know how many you're getting?

1105
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: Like going in, you're like, I'm gonna get you can

1106
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: forty what place plays? Uh? You could have a package.

1107
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 2: So if you're not a first if you're not a

1108
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 2: guy like how I started, there was a four wide

1109
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 2: package where on third downs you'd have Randy Wes, Joey Galloway,

1110
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 2: they'd take the tight end out and they'd put me

1111
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 2: in called four wide. So there may be five plays

1112
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 2: with that package that they could only use on third down.

1113
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: That was it. That was that was it. So you're

1114
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: on the sideline all you're rooting for third down.

1115
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 7: I'm rooting for I hope those ship in the ground

1116
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 7: so I can get in there for that five white package.

1117
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 7: Say it, admit it, you're like, yo, I could really

1118
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:19,399
Speaker 7: use the third down right now?

1119
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 2: You know how many times I saw Walker got he

1120
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 2: get like this, This is how tough he was.

1121
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 1: I saw him like his helmet came off. I'm over

1122
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 1: here striving, I'm going in hell.

1123
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, the motherfucker get backed up, yo.

1124
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: We are certifiedly tapped. We are tapped. Like that's just

1125
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: like when Key Martin would punch somebody, I'd be like, sweet, yeah,

1126
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: I'm about to buy. Yeah. That's that's how it was.

1127
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 1: That's how it was.

1128
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 2: But it's crazy, you know, like you guys are learning

1129
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 2: your team as the season goes.

1130
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: Each and every game, oh yeah, changing me. So you

1131
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: know we.

1132
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 2: Have to learn our team a lot through the practice

1133
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 2: and then in the games as well. But you know

1134
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 2: you have to you have to go out and do

1135
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 2: everything you can win those which is I heard you

1136
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 2: talking about that.

1137
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: It was crazy. There's dirty needs, third and law.

1138
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:22,760
Speaker 3: Yeah for wide let's get behind the chains baby. Yeah.

1139
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: I bet you can watch you on the sideline, like

1140
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: you get a first down, second, second and eight, you

1141
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: get a first down, you probably or you know return.

1142
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 2: In football, there's a whole different you know, if they

1143
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 2: we punt, I could be out there.

1144
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 1: So you're sitting there cheerleading. The more you can do,

1145
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 1: the more you can do, you got. It's a it's

1146
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 1: a weird mindset. You gotta be like, you gotta want

1147
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: to win, you gotta want the best for your team

1148
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: and all that, but you got to be hungry to

1149
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: get that in there. Else when you go in there,

1150
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: you won't do well.

1151
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you got to take advantage of the opportunity

1152
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 2: because I remember, you know, early on, I would struggle

1153
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 2: because I was used to being in the game as

1154
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,879
Speaker 2: a quarterback in college. Every fucking play touching the ball,

1155
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 2: you know, so your focuses are, you're in the game.

1156
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 2: You could feel the momentum in the swings of the game.

1157
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 2: When I first got in the league, I'm playing like

1158
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 2: eight offensive plays, like you fuck up one? You're like, oh,

1159
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, It's it's fucking life or death.

1160
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 2: And then you may not have been on the field

1161
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 2: for like twenty five minutes, so then you gotta go.

1162
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: You know, that's like a bench player. No, I know,

1163
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: it's tough. In two thousand and three, two thousand and four,

1164
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 1: in the sports world, the Pistons, they won that championship.

1165
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 2: When we get into this right here, shadowing KG was

1166
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 2: the MVP of the NBA. Stanley Cup winners were the

1167
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay Lightning. Wow, they've done it a few times now.

1168
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're great.

1169
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: They do. They like hockey and Florida win. They do.

1170
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 1: It's gotta be about free agents going down there and

1171
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 1: not paying no tax, say.

1172
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 2: Tax, Yeah, it particularly with Canada has extra Texas to

1173
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 2: Lebron James, I was he was drafted. I was at

1174
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 2: Kent when he was over there, Yeah, and was six.

1175
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 2: I was in because I went to Kent State in

1176
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 2: Ohio and he grew up an Akron, which is like

1177
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 2: right there. So like I felt that whole like aura

1178
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 2: of Lebron and that whole thing.

1179
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 1: It was crazy. I went and bought his shoes. He's awesome.

1180
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: I mean it's incredible. It's incredible. He's still yeah, exceed

1181
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: the expectations. He's a great guy, like great businessman. I

1182
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 1: don't know. It's like it's very it's very rare to

1183
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: exceed hype because hype is hype. Hype is hype. Yeah,

1184
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: it's like, but he exceeded it and he still does.

1185
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: He's still exceeding hype.

1186
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, and not even just on the on the court,

1187
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 5: but like in life too.

1188
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: Everything he elevates everything. Yeah, it's amazing.

1189
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 2: Barry Bond set the record for being intentionally walked four

1190
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 2: times in one game.

1191
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: Do you watch baseball? I think I watched back in

1192
00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 1: the day. That was when he was cranking home ranking

1193
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: had a massive head New era making that customs the

1194
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 1: big Lance Armstrong fantasy to what he did.

1195
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 8: I'm desperately trying to do a Twitter France Days as

1196
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 8: an episode here, but it's not getting buy in from

1197
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 8: the team.

1198
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 2: What do you mean, I love I like the Tordate

1199
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 2: French shout out, I forgot you.

1200
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.

1201
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 2: And then Bethany surfer, Bethany Hamilton lost her arm to

1202
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 2: a shark attack.

1203
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: Soul surfer a little bit. We just interviewed Larry Hamilton,

1204
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, like the faitness guy.

1205
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 2: No, the fucking big Waves surf.

1206
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: And all that.

1207
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, his coffee is.

1208
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 2: Great, yeah, surfer mentality man. Yeah, it's just those guys

1209
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 2: are They're crazy, I know, hyper.

1210
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 5: Competitive, but not against anyone else.

1211
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: Yeah they're not.

1212
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 2: They're they're hyper competitive, but like against the climate.

1213
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.

1214
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 3: He invited Jewels up to his spot in malibur to

1215
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 3: do some Jalen Brown underwater weightlifting.

1216
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: Yea, he worked for Jalen Brown. I don't know. I

1217
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: just saw JB. Yeah, yeah, you know that stuff. I

1218
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: saw that stuff like handstands, Yeah, jumps, he does that

1219
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: with him that.

1220
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 2: I was looking at all this stuff, like I wish

1221
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 2: I would have done that because it's not there's no

1222
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 2: impact on your legs and you can still work on

1223
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 2: explosion and keep that nervous system popping.

1224
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: So I don't know if it's placed plays in football,

1225
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: but basketball, a lot of guys don't know how to breathe,

1226
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 1: and I think that one part of that is learning

1227
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: how to control Like you're in so if you're doing

1228
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: handstands into this and that, you obviously you can't breathe

1229
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: when you're under water, So controlling your breath over the

1230
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: course of eighty two one hundred and three offensive possessions

1231
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: in a game, you have to be able to, like

1232
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: learn how to breathe. Yeah, all those moments and stuff

1233
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: like that. I work with so many kids, you'd be

1234
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: surprised how many hold their breath when they do things.

1235
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: It's like, guys, guys like you have to learn teams

1236
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: yourself how to breathe because it's it's a long game.

1237
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: It's a really long game here, and if you're not

1238
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: when the ball goes out of bounds, you're not taking

1239
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,439
Speaker 1: two or three deep breaths when you're there's a free throw,

1240
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: You're not catching your breath, You're not doing any of that.

1241
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: Eventually your body just wears.

1242
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 2: Out, wears out, and then the fourth quarter you're gonna

1243
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 2: get to your toast.

1244
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a big I'm a big Jalen Brown fan

1245
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: like his uh. I loved his approach. He always believed

1246
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: that he was gonna be great man. He always wasn't

1247
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: just talk like he worked And so like, if I'm

1248
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: I I that's all I care about when it comes

1249
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: to my athletes that I like and look up to.

1250
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 1: Are you a worker? Are you doing what you're like?

1251
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: You might have a good game of bad game. You

1252
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 1: might do this and that on the court off the court,

1253
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 1: but like, if you have a consistency with your work,

1254
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: I like I I look at that and say, like

1255
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 1: that's something that you should follow that this is a job.

1256
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure.

1257
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 2: You know, we were getting paid a lot of money

1258
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 2: to do something we love.

1259
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, why not do the most you can? For sure?

1260
00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 1: And out here I do feel like it's different. Sports

1261
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: are different, Like there is a sense that you have

1262
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: to it's okay. There's two things. There's the fans that

1263
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: go in the current climate of the of the sports

1264
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: in the New England area. And there's also like the

1265
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: people of the past who have done it before and

1266
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 1: you have to live up to that legacy. So there's

1267
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 1: two things going on. So it's it takes yourself like

1268
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: a little bit out of the equation. I really felt

1269
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 1: this year, and I think coach Joe Mizzoula did a

1270
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: really good job of it. Is he made it about

1271
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: like the Celtic legacy, the Celtic fan and the New

1272
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: England area. And when you start playing for things more

1273
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: than yourself and you work for things more than yourself,

1274
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 1: then I think you get further than just working for yourself.

1275
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's well, very well said. That's very well said.

1276
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 2: I mean when I got here, I just hated fucking

1277
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 2: here in Belichick talk about the other three Super Bowls

1278
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 2: they won before we want so.

1279
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 1: I was like, fuck that? How much? How often? Like daily?

1280
01:00:58,800 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: On the daily?

1281
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 2: He would just it wouldn't be daily, but he'd always

1282
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 2: show an example, you know of like if there's a

1283
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 2: tackle t a TG pool play and we didn't you know,

1284
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 2: blow it up the right way.

1285
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: He'd bring up anythink Bruski did it like that, he'd

1286
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: throw it, you know what I mean? And you know so.

1287
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 2: But there is that standard and there's that legacy, especially

1288
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 2: in this city for sure, you know, in this area

1289
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 2: that you have to live up to for sure, you

1290
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 2: know forever. All right, Jackie, let's set the stage.

1291
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna want to get into these Pistons.

1292
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 1: It's game time, Baby.

1293
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 3: This was a Pistons team that went fifty four and

1294
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 3: twenty eight, first year of the Larry Brown era up

1295
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 3: there in Detroit. Brown got swept by the Nets in

1296
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 3: the previous playoffs the year before, and they had the

1297
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 3: second overall pick this year.

1298
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 2: Dark O Baby said that it was the Wallace trade.

1299
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, she washed the difference maker. Yeah, turned the turned

1300
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 1: them around.

1301
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 3: Started the year thirty three and sixteen, struggled a little

1302
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 3: bit in febus, but then got new life when Rashid

1303
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 3: came on over won sixteen to nineteen after that trade.

1304
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 3: Tough defense like those like those bad Boys teams always got.

1305
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 3: This is an all time tough guy team too.

1306
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, they when they hit their stride,

1307
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: it was the best defensive team I've ever played against man.

1308
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: But it was like they were just they had everything

1309
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 1: you could want in a defensive team, and they're smart,

1310
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 1: they're physical, Like they had guys coming off the bench,

1311
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 1: so going like at time when they got Rashid Wallace,

1312
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: it took a little bit of time, but once they

1313
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 1: hit their stride. I think they had a stretch of

1314
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 1: games where they didn't give up more than eighty points.

1315
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 1: It was like seventeen games in a row or some

1316
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 1: crazy number, and we were two of those games. So

1317
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 1: these guys were so good and things that they did

1318
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 1: were really difficult to go against.

1319
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 3: No, I mean these like this is a team of

1320
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 3: like we were watching the tape bag like Chauncey Billups, Remulton,

1321
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 3: Tayshawn Prince, Ben Wallace, Rashid while it's like this is

1322
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 3: a classic Pistons are team, I.

1323
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: Mean this classic. They want a championship. Yes, this was

1324
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: a crazy era. And then what could you see Larry

1325
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 1: Brown evolve this team in the year that you saw

1326
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 1: that as well? Yeah, Larry Brown is like a teacher

1327
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: and he loves defense, and it was like perfect and

1328
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 1: you could tell, like you could tell the players love

1329
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 1: Larry Brown. And so when you have a hard ass

1330
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 1: coach and the players like run through a wall for him,

1331
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: that's a dangerous thing to go against because there's like

1332
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 1: a lot of hard asses where the coaches the players

1333
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 1: can check that shit out, right, But these guys, for

1334
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 1: whatever reason, they love Larry Brown. And so it was.

1335
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 1: And he's a good coach. He's a tough coach and

1336
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 1: he loves to teach. I did all the pre draft workouts.

1337
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: I went twenty seven pre draft workouts. I did some twice.

1338
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 1: I learned more about basketball and that Larry Brown pre

1339
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 1: draft work It wasn't like he was working us out

1340
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 1: to evaluate our talent. He just can't help himself, like

1341
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: he wants to teach the game. Yeah, and that was

1342
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 1: when it was in one and that was he was

1343
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 1: with Filly at the time. Yeah, with Iverson. Yeah, I

1344
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: mean it's crazy.

1345
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 3: I think Larry Brown been coaching since nineteen sixty something

1346
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 3: like sixty five and was coaching Memphis with Penny up

1347
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 3: until a couple of years ago.

1348
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 2: Lifer Man, Lifer, that's one of those coaches for life.

1349
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 3: And speaking of coaches, this team had two future head coaches,

1350
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 3: Darvin Ham with the Lakers and Hubert Davis with You

1351
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,439
Speaker 3: and c So some more names on this team.

1352
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 1: Wow, smart dudes. So we were talking. You said, Rashid

1353
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 1: Wallace was like there he was the final piece. Now piece,

1354
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 1: It's like, don't I uh, I could be wrong, tell

1355
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 1: me if I am. But middle linebacker of you guys, right,

1356
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:42,439
Speaker 1: Like in the middle linebacker kind of sets a tone,

1357
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 1: like he tells he has to call the plays and

1358
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 1: he says the formation. He said, this is what's going on. Like,

1359
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 1: Rashid Wallace has got a great mouth. He's like if

1360
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 1: he's back in the back line, he knows everything that's

1361
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 1: going on and he's talking about it. He ain't just

1362
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 1: quiet or anything like that. He's cerebral. He's smart. He

1363
01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: stays ahead of the game. And so if you were

1364
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 1: going to on a sideline pick and roll, he'll be like,

1365
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 1: sideline pick and roll, watch pin down week side. You know,

1366
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 1: so you're thinking about you're a guard, you're facing that way.

1367
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 1: I'm Rashid Wallace. I'm telling you, like, hey, sideline pick

1368
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 1: and roll, Jules is gonna be a pin down. Just

1369
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 1: s down his hip and then play would happen and

1370
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 1: he would do it like that and that would be

1371
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 1: every single play. And then when a play did break down.

1372
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 1: He's gifted enough to get up there, block a shot

1373
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,919
Speaker 1: and get a rebound. You know, So it's just him defensively,

1374
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 1: it's a difference maker. Ben Wallace is really good. Oh

1375
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:34,479
Speaker 1: but Ben Wallace is more like he's raw and he's

1376
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 1: and he's good and block a shot and a rebound.

1377
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 1: He's tough. Shee Wallace is like, and Garnett's a little

1378
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 1: bit like this. He's like they're spitting out the coverages

1379
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 1: and they're spitting out what's happening before it happens. And

1380
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 1: when you're going against guys like that, you just got

1381
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 1: to be good, Like you're just you're not gonna get open,

1382
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 1: You're not gonna get tricked, You're not gonna do you

1383
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 1: just got to be nasty. You've got to be able

1384
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 1: to make a play when things like you know, go

1385
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:57,439
Speaker 1: to shit.

1386
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean playing in a locker room scale like

1387
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 3: Genots years later, but with KG and Rashid Wallace, Like,

1388
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 3: how the heck was that?

1389
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 1: So Rashee Wallace that year was phenomenal, like offensively and

1390
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 1: you know, he could carry a team early on he

1391
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 1: was coming off the bench. But you got the true

1392
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 1: sense of it in the playoffs. Right when the playoffs

1393
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 1: rolled around, I was like, whoa, this guy. These two

1394
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 1: guys are on a different level, right, And that was

1395
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 1: a year that we kind of sucked from Christmas Day

1396
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 1: to the end of the season, and then those two

1397
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 1: guys just like like just owned the defense and Kendrick

1398
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 1: Perkins was back there. It was really good defensively. So

1399
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 1: they are the reasons why we kind of coasted all

1400
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 1: the way to the finals and then Perk got hurt

1401
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 1: and we not winning in twenty ten. But you could

1402
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 1: those guys and Garnett's an everyday guy, but Rashie Wallace

1403
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 1: and the levels that he went to is a big

1404
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 1: reason why. And the levels that that group went to,

1405
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 1: it's the reason why we got back to the final.

1406
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 1: I still think if Perk didn't get hurt, we're winning

1407
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: that thing. Yeah, I mean Lakers deserved it, Like they

1408
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 1: came out, they they rebounded the ball, they did what

1409
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 1: they needed to do. But but no, it was, uh,

1410
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 1: that was a great series. That was that was It

1411
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 1: went to that series. That was That was when I

1412
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: first got here. Damn. It was interesting to see I

1413
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 1: think one guy in particular, Pagasol, right like in two

1414
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, he just wasn't ready for it right,

1415
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 1: and you could tell, like, I don't know if he

1416
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 1: was intimidated by Garnett, he just wasn't ready. But the

1417
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 1: palgasol that he won championships next year and then he's

1418
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 1: coming back to play us. That was a completely different guy.

1419
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: And like at the time, I could be pissed about it,

1420
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 1: but like, you got to show respect when a guy

1421
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 1: gets destroyed and comes back and avenges his demons. I

1422
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 1: got nothing but love for that man, even though it

1423
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 1: cost us a championship and whatever whatever it was, But like, yeah,

1424
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 1: back to him, man, Like that's not an easy thing

1425
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 1: to do when you get your ass whooped by a guy,

1426
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 1: Like it's not easy to come back and like eventually

1427
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 1: avenge what happened. It's not. It's not easy. No, a

1428
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 1: lot of people just some most people just walk away

1429
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 1: or they just can't or they just like they're you

1430
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 1: always going to have their number. I'll tell you what.

1431
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 1: In this game before mister big shot Chauncey Billups and

1432
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 1: all that stuff, Jason Kidd owned him and and when

1433
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 1: they got Rashid Wallace, the tide shifted a lot. You

1434
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: can look at we swept them. You can just watch

1435
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:21,679
Speaker 1: that matchup. Kid own that matchup. But from this point on,

1436
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 1: and I want to say, like in particular, it felt

1437
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:28,680
Speaker 1: like this year and this game, like from that point on,

1438
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 1: like Billups like did his thing against Kid. But before

1439
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 1: that it was like a drastic difference between the two.

1440
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 1: Kid was getting up in age too. Yeah he had

1441
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 1: to knee. Yeah he was a young kid.

1442
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 2: No, we were playing him, you know, ten years earlier

1443
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 2: in fucking hooping up and shit, or was one NBA

1444
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 2: jam when he was in the Phoenix. I played hooping

1445
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 2: up one year in Oakland.

1446
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 1: Uh you like it?

1447
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1448
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 2: We went to the finals and what you're a hoop

1449
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 2: game like football player playing hoop y?

1450
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 1: Gotcha? Gotcha aggressive? Gotcha? All right? Jackie break down to

1451
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:04,679
Speaker 1: these nets. Yeah, these nets.

1452
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 3: Another awesome defensive team forty seven and thirty five. J

1453
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 3: Kidd of course signed the extension before the season. Also

1454
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 3: had Alonso Morning, but had had to hang it up

1455
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 3: shortly into the season with the kidney condition. But he

1456
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 3: stayed on the bench all year, right.

1457
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 1: Ooh, I'm not sure if he was there at the end.

1458
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 3: Okay, because I feel like he was. I feel like

1459
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 3: he was in street clothes on the bench for this one,

1460
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 3: but maybe he was. Maybe he was, but more resilient

1461
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:33,799
Speaker 3: this team with changing head coaches. After forty two games,

1462
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 3: Byron Scott got fired and they brought Lawrence Frank.

1463
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 1: I like Byron and I Lawrence, but I was like, it

1464
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:44,759
Speaker 1: was our third year together, two finals, and now like

1465
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 1: they were starting to see some cracks in the armor. Right,

1466
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 1: whatever it was, we were just a five hundred team

1467
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:51,800
Speaker 1: and whatever the reason, you can see twenty two and

1468
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 1: twenty and they decided to make a coaching change.

1469
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:58,600
Speaker 2: I've never been around a coaching change, let alone in

1470
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 2: the NBA. Coach comes in in the middle of a

1471
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 2: fucking season.

1472
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 1: He was the assistant coach, so he so is he

1473
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 1: just run the same shit you guys are running, or

1474
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 1: little like just a little bit more counters. Lawrence is

1475
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 1: really prepared. He was really prepared. He kind of took

1476
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 1: over and like if it's just our scout, our scouts

1477
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 1: were longer. Everything was like that, right, and I think,

1478
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 1: you know, like I liked the simplicity in which Byron

1479
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: Scott coached that, like he really wanted to get the

1480
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 1: ball to the kid and run, really wanted to run

1481
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 1: the offense simply and just like make plays, you know,

1482
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 1: like I like that. I like that a lot. We

1483
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:36,680
Speaker 1: started fourteen and oh right, but after that we were

1484
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 1: just five hundred, you know, so we just had a

1485
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,600
Speaker 1: really good like we really perked up fourteen and oh

1486
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:43,719
Speaker 1: it's hard to do. Yeah, you get a new coach,

1487
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 1: it's hard to do. And so but we were battle tested,

1488
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 1: like Richard Jefferson was coming to his own. Kenyon Martin

1489
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 1: was awesome. You know. I think really what this came

1490
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 1: down to and the reason why we lost, I think

1491
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 1: a lot of it had to do with this game

1492
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 1: and we went to triple overtime and kids knee it

1493
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 1: just couldn't recover after game five, Like he just wasn't

1494
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:07,680
Speaker 1: the same guy in six, and he really wasn't the

1495
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 1: same guy in seven. You got knee problems on that

1496
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 1: hard court. That's a lot, yeah, cause you got to

1497
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 1: play both ends, not even but just the impact. You know,

1498
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 1: you can't you can't like like you can't go to

1499
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 1: the sideline with the defenses on the field and like

1500
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:25,439
Speaker 1: get it right, yeah, you know, or activation like you're

1501
01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 1: just in the game.

1502
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:29,639
Speaker 2: You're in Yeah, now can you can you for gen

1503
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 2: Z listeners, can you sum up how this net team

1504
01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 2: was what was there like Camp now? Who's their team

1505
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 2: camp now? Because it I mean, you guys went to

1506
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 2: the finals last year.

1507
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 1: Well, like early on we were a fast breaking team,

1508
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 1: like so you could say we were like the Phoenix

1509
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 1: Suns back in the day, right, But we were a

1510
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 1: good defensive team that kind of like struck like. We

1511
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 1: were really versatile and switchable. So that's good in the

1512
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:00,479
Speaker 1: in the league, so you don't have to be in rotation.

1513
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:03,679
Speaker 1: And then offensively, we just get the ball to the kids,

1514
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 1: so it'd be rebound, kid and go, so we'd get

1515
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 1: a lot of easy baskets in transition. Kittles was a flyer,

1516
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:11,559
Speaker 1: Jefferson was a flyer, Keny Martin was a flyer. We

1517
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 1: just had guys like that, so that that kind of

1518
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 1: stummed up a team. Not a great half court team,

1519
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:21,600
Speaker 1: not a great executing team, just didn't didn't shoot it

1520
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 1: well enough, didn't execute well enough, whatever the reason, but

1521
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 1: really good in transition and really good defensively, create steals,

1522
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 1: create have it great turnovers and go what are these

1523
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 1: what are these new Jersey fans? Like? How's that prudential?

1524
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 1: It's funny. It started out nothing and as it became

1525
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 1: a thing like they would show up for the playoffs.

1526
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 1: But when they showed up for the playoffs, he was loud,

1527
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 1: you know, great, But it wasn't like I remember playing

1528
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 1: in the games and I first got there, it'd be

1529
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 1: like five thousand people there, and like, you never see

1530
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 1: five thousand people in the NBA game. Yeah, I mean

1531
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't care how bad you are. We

1532
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:55,599
Speaker 1: have the best record in the league and it just

1533
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 1: starts to pick up. So it's just just a different

1534
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:00,639
Speaker 1: We were at the Continental Airlines Arena, like right by

1535
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 1: met Life and some shopping mall now or something like that,

1536
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 1: and so but yeah, you don't. You just don't see

1537
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 1: like half full arenas anymore, right, So I think that's

1538
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 1: kind of started. But you know, kid was great to watch,

1539
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 1: and I think people liked watching us play because we

1540
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 1: were fast. That's what they liked about it.

1541
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:23,240
Speaker 2: Richard Jefferson, man, he this is young Richard Jefferson too.

1542
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 1: He was a flyer. Like you said, yeah, pack.

1543
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 2: Ten guy, Arizona, right, he went Arizona, Dyeah, pack twelve. Now,

1544
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 2: how sad is that packed twelve?

1545
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:35,600
Speaker 1: I don't pack once. Once you go to college and

1546
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 1: start and it's not just the institutions, the money, the players.

1547
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 1: It's like, it's not college anymore. It's pro. It's pro.

1548
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 1: It's pro. Kids are staying in high school for like

1549
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 1: six years and then going to prep school just so

1550
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 1: they can get some nil money when they get there,

1551
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 1: because like some eighteen year old kid is not getting

1552
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:55,639
Speaker 1: in IL money. So it's it's way different now.

1553
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:59,760
Speaker 2: But no Pac twelve rip. I'm West Coast kid. Loved it,

1554
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 2: loved watching. When I got out here, I'd put on

1555
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 2: fucking you know, the a PAC twelve game that started

1556
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 2: at ten eleven o'clock at night. Bill Walton's over here

1557
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 2: talking about fucking mushroom. I love Bill. I love Bill Walton.

1558
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 1: Watch He's great. All right, pe You got any Bill

1559
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 1: Walton Star? Yeah? Because Bill Bill was a friend because

1560
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 1: he would come and do all the games, right, so

1561
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:29,800
Speaker 1: we get to know him. And then, uh, funny thing

1562
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 1: one time I was at All Star and we interviewed

1563
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 1: Bill Walton, right, So like this interview has been great.

1564
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 1: We're going back and forth. You say something, I say

1565
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 1: something with Billy. See, so Bill, how is man? My

1566
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 1: life is so great? That's the greatest life I've ever had.

1567
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 1: At this point in time, I couldn't live a greater

1568
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 1: life than this. And I think back to the days

1569
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 1: of John Wooden and his life. It was great and

1570
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 1: he made my life great. And he just went off

1571
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 1: for like twenty seven minutes. Yeah you're Bill Walton. Impression

1572
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:04,759
Speaker 1: is bi and you're like, like, what was like playing

1573
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 1: in Boston? Boston is the greatest city to ever have

1574
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:12,880
Speaker 1: a basketball team. And if I never ever thought I

1575
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:14,639
Speaker 1: would ever finish the sheets, and I finished the sheets

1576
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:17,639
Speaker 1: in two times and both those times I was blessed

1577
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 1: enough to win a championship, and one of them is

1578
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:28,799
Speaker 1: right here in Boston. It's it's easy, like the easiest

1579
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:31,519
Speaker 1: interview ever is and you have to interrupt him. You

1580
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:33,599
Speaker 1: have to be like wait till he stops, and like Phil,

1581
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:35,800
Speaker 1: tell me about this guy and he'll go on to

1582
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 1: the next He was great. He's like you know what

1583
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 1: you know what you do and you interview him and

1584
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 1: you go away and be like, man, I gotta be happier,

1585
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 1: Like I just got to be a happier dude. That's

1586
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:49,559
Speaker 1: why I love to listen to him.

1587
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 2: Get bitch at work all day throwing pack twelve games.

1588
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 1: Missing bro, when is this white Mamba nickname come along.

1589
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. So I uh was in Chicago, right,

1590
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 1: and and the guy who does my job for the

1591
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:08,759
Speaker 1: Celtics is Stacey King. And so what I did. Kobe

1592
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 1: had this commercial where he just like, there's this car

1593
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:12,559
Speaker 1: going down the street and he jumps over a car.

1594
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if he did or didn't, but that's

1595
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 1: what it looked like, right. So, and I loved his shoes,

1596
01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 1: like I just all I hooped in is Kobe's right,

1597
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 1: I loved it them. Yeah, they're great, phenomenal. Right, So

1598
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 1: I came and made a pair, and they're like they

1599
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 1: got like a snake skin on him right now, everyone's

1600
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:32,479
Speaker 1: where I think they're the Kobe six's. And so I

1601
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 1: made him their white white snake skin, a couple of laces.

1602
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 1: Red I was playing for the Bulls. I slapped him

1603
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 1: down on the on the card table in the plane.

1604
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of planes you guys flying,

1605
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 1: but we have card tables right where people face each

1606
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 1: other slap him down, like, man, he is the white Mamba.

1607
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:48,560
Speaker 1: One point ohs right, that's all I said. And I

1608
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:50,679
Speaker 1: take him and I go to the back. So that game,

1609
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 1: we fly to DC I have a good game and

1610
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 1: Stacey King just goes off like, oh, the White Mamba,

1611
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,680
Speaker 1: the man, the myth, the legend, like this is the

1612
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:01,520
Speaker 1: White Mamba. And by the time I got back to Chicago,

1613
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:05,840
Speaker 1: like White Mambo was hysteria, Like there were T shirts,

1614
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:09,720
Speaker 1: there were giant heads with like a snake body like

1615
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 1: you know, cause it was like a thing like put

1616
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:12,680
Speaker 1: me in the game at the end of the game, right,

1617
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 1: And the only thing I really I don't regret a lot,

1618
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 1: but I do regret this. Like when I was here

1619
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:20,640
Speaker 1: in Boston and the crowd would cheer for me to

1620
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 1: go in, I didn't like embrace it. I was always like,

1621
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 1: you know, like you guys should be cheering for Garnet

1622
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:27,840
Speaker 1: and all this stuff, right, but I knew I was

1623
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 1: getting up there in age. So in Chicago, man, I

1624
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 1: really embraced it. Like I didn't care what the score was.

1625
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:35,760
Speaker 1: I was going out there to get a bucket, right,

1626
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 1: I'm getting a bucket for the people. I'm shooting the

1627
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 1: bad shot I'm doing. I'm telling the best player, yo,

1628
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:43,559
Speaker 1: clear out, Yo, set me a screen right here, like

1629
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:45,680
Speaker 1: I'm going all in on this, and I'm like, you

1630
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 1: got to give the people what they want, right, So

1631
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 1: then Thibodeau will be walking up and down. He's always gruffy,

1632
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:52,600
Speaker 1: and he would look back and I'm like that we

1633
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 1: up twenty let's go. Come on, man, you know these

1634
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 1: people ain't going They're gonna keepooing you until you put

1635
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 1: me in, right, Like, I'm all all in on air, right.

1636
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 1: That is something I would never do, never do before, right,

1637
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 1: But now I'm like, man, like you got it. This

1638
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 1: is like, you have to understand. The people want to

1639
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 1: see me at the end of game. They don't care

1640
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:16,040
Speaker 1: about Derrick Rose at that point. This is what is

1641
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 1: about formation scall in exactly, exactly exactly. And then, like

1642
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:24,680
Speaker 1: he looked at the score, I'm like, twenty two. If

1643
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 1: you didn't know how to do the map, it's easy.

1644
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 1: Now put me in it. Put me in.

1645
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 2: It's such an epic it's it's an epic nick name.

1646
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:37,599
Speaker 2: I love using it too. Yeah, it's good, So good Jack,

1647
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 2: Let's get the game.

1648
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 3: Leading up to this game, we touched on it a

1649
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 3: little bit earlier, but the Nets swept the Stephan Marbury

1650
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:45,680
Speaker 3: Nicks in the first round. The Pistons got by the

1651
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 3: Bucks four to one. Starberry shout out of Starberry, uh,

1652
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 3: and then they each they held court at home. Pistons

1653
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 3: won the first two in Detroit.

1654
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:59,479
Speaker 1: But go to that eighty eight sixty half time that

1655
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:04,360
Speaker 1: we have time score, that is we had. So you

1656
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:07,800
Speaker 1: see how like we a lot of people like going

1657
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:09,679
Speaker 1: into the games like, man, we can't beat this team,

1658
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:12,679
Speaker 1: right because we had fifty six points and eighty points,

1659
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:14,680
Speaker 1: but then we bounce back, right, So that's where we're

1660
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 1: at right now.

1661
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:15,680
Speaker 9: Oh.

1662
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 3: I know it's a different era and it's pre the

1663
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 3: proliferation threes, but holding a team to fifty six points

1664
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:23,920
Speaker 3: in an NBA game is just like I know, I'm

1665
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 3: I'm thinking nowadays.

1666
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 1: But if you watch the playoffs, right, and you watch

1667
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 1: when the refs allow physical play for everyone, it's fine.

1668
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:34,800
Speaker 1: I don't I know that the players now are better.

1669
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 1: I'm not stupid, Like everybody knows they're better, and you

1670
01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:40,439
Speaker 1: talk about the escapes or whatever it is, right, but

1671
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 1: when you watch, if the refs call a physical game,

1672
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 1: the scores aren't going to be like this, right, but

1673
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:50,320
Speaker 1: they're gonna be under one hundred points because physical play

1674
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 1: leads to like a grimy game. You don't you don't

1675
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:56,640
Speaker 1: sprint up the floor. It's harder to get open, Like

1676
01:19:56,680 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot that goes into it. And so back then,

1677
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 1: game was physical, so it's hard to score, and I

1678
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:08,680
Speaker 1: think I like it. I I'd rather watch seventy eight

1679
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 1: eighty than watch one forty one thirty five. That's just

1680
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:14,799
Speaker 1: me though, Like I'm waking up and down jacking up shots.

1681
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 1: That's fine, But I like I like watching physical play

1682
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:21,640
Speaker 1: and everything being hard and tough and difficult. Just like

1683
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 1: when when you guys run to plan and you get

1684
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 1: five yards, that's a big play. It's like, man, we

1685
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 1: had to work hard for that five yards. We have

1686
01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 1: to work hard for buckets. When we score fifty six

1687
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:35,360
Speaker 1: points and lose seventy eight to fifty six, yeah they're

1688
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:38,400
Speaker 1: both getting paid, and yeah you're going to get suros

1689
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 1: buggets here, no possession, buttons buckets.

1690
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 3: Should we get into this game a little bit here,

1691
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:46,840
Speaker 3: let's go all right, So we start off. This thing

1692
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:49,519
Speaker 3: was back and forth pretty much all game, especially in

1693
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:51,840
Speaker 3: the first half again another one of these these halves.

1694
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:54,080
Speaker 1: We were talking about forty four to forty three at

1695
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 1: the half, Uh, the nets are behind.

1696
01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:59,800
Speaker 3: Then we fast forward to the fourth quarner when the

1697
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 3: act really gets going.

1698
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 1: The eighties.

1699
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 3: Nets are up eighty seven eighty five or thirteen seconds left.

1700
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 3: Missed three out.

1701
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 1: Of four free throws.

1702
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:09,800
Speaker 3: I know you got the big Richard Jefferson block right

1703
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:11,720
Speaker 3: before that that kind of looks like it got iced it.

1704
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:15,719
Speaker 3: And then Chauncey comes down and nails a forty three

1705
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 3: footer at the buzzer.

1706
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. So going into up to this point, right, I

1707
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:24,839
Speaker 1: played in the first half, right, and I got four points. Yeah,

1708
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:26,639
Speaker 1: And I like, by the way, that's my role, that's

1709
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:29,439
Speaker 1: I was. I'm good with that. And I played really

1710
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 1: well against the net the knicks, and now like I

1711
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:35,760
Speaker 1: made two buckets. So I'm like, look, I did my

1712
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 1: job right, and I if everyone is good and healthy,

1713
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:41,680
Speaker 1: I'm not playing in the second half. That's just how

1714
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 1: it goes, right, And then you know, you keep going

1715
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:47,479
Speaker 1: and the Chauncey Billups, we're about to ic the deal.

1716
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:49,479
Speaker 1: All we gotta do is make one free throw in

1717
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 1: Chauncey billups a half court shot. Now we're going to overtime.

1718
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm well aware of the fouls, just

1719
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:57,600
Speaker 1: like you're well aware of the third downs, right, So

1720
01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:00,439
Speaker 1: I'm well aware of the fowls and I'm like all right,

1721
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 1: so i gotta stay locked in and I'm ready, but

1722
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not scared. I'm like, I'm not scared

1723
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 1: of the moment and it's game five, and I'm not

1724
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:10,639
Speaker 1: scared of the magnitude of it. And I'm not scared

1725
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:12,519
Speaker 1: that the pisions are a beast like it's hard to

1726
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 1: score on them. I'm like, if this does now, I'm

1727
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 1: not rooting for Kenya Martin or Rodney Rogers or Aaron

1728
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:21,760
Speaker 1: Williams to get in foul trouble at this point, I'm

1729
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 1: not rooting for them, but I'm ready if it does happen. Yeah,

1730
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 1: you got it. That's what you have to have, that

1731
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 1: mindset for sure. And eight eight guys fouled out in

1732
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:35,640
Speaker 1: this game. Physical, physical, physical. That is a scrappy matcheah.

1733
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:37,719
Speaker 3: Oh big time. And this is just the end of regulation.

1734
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 3: We got three overtimes left, get to the third overtime.

1735
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 3: The big three at the corner forty one seconds left,

1736
01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:47,599
Speaker 3: scoal nails it to put the nail on the coffin.

1737
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:49,400
Speaker 1: Mark, So let me, let me, let me free wind

1738
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:51,519
Speaker 1: a little bit. Let me tell you so I think

1739
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:54,400
Speaker 1: it was Rodney Rogers. This is the funniest shit, right,

1740
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:57,599
Speaker 1: this is the funniest shit. Rodney Rogers fouls out right,

1741
01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 1: and Lawrence Frank, who I love Lawrence, Right, he's on

1742
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:04,480
Speaker 1: my ass, but I'm back like he was my assistant

1743
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:07,080
Speaker 1: coach when I got to when I got drafted by

1744
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 1: the Nets. He was the one working with me and

1745
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 1: watching film together and riding me every day. Right now

1746
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:15,920
Speaker 1: he's the head coach, right. So Lawrence Frank looks down

1747
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:20,759
Speaker 1: the bench, right, and I'm like, Kenyon's out, Aaron. Rodney

1748
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:24,200
Speaker 1: Rogers just fouled out. There's no one left, right, and

1749
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:26,960
Speaker 1: I'm playing like really good ball, like I'm played well

1750
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 1: against the Knicks. I played. I'm two for two in

1751
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:33,120
Speaker 1: this game, like there's no one else. He looks down

1752
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 1: at me and he goes he was pissed that. I

1753
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 1: was like, that's all I got is Scalabrini. So I

1754
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 1: was like, I was heated. I got fucking heated. At

1755
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:49,720
Speaker 1: that point, I got up and I was like, when

1756
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:52,599
Speaker 1: I talk about heated, I was because in my mind,

1757
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:55,920
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, so I played well against the Knicks. I'm

1758
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 1: two for two in this game. There's nobody else. And

1759
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 1: if you don't believe in me, now you ain't never

1760
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:02,680
Speaker 1: gonna believe in me because I don't know if I

1761
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:04,720
Speaker 1: could play any better than this. I'm being honest, like

1762
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:06,719
Speaker 1: I was cut from the ninth grade in high school.

1763
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 1: Like I'm not sure that I can play any better

1764
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 1: than what I'm doing right now. So if you don't

1765
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 1: like me now, then you just don't like me. Right.

1766
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 1: So I got up. I was heated. So I go

1767
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 1: into the game, and this whole overtime performance, my sole

1768
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:26,400
Speaker 1: focus was was fuck Lawrence Frank for not believing in me.

1769
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 1: So I am killing the pistons with corner threes and everything,

1770
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:32,679
Speaker 1: and I gotta be honest with you. I went and watched.

1771
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 1: I didn't see none of them guys out there. I

1772
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:37,519
Speaker 1: didn't see none of the defense out there. I'm knocking

1773
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 1: down threes, and every time I'm flexing, I'm looking and

1774
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of my mind, like this motherfucker didn't believe

1775
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:44,400
Speaker 1: in me. How are you not going to believe in me?

1776
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:48,519
Speaker 1: So this performance was because my coach didn't believe in me.

1777
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:52,240
Speaker 1: Freaking Lawrence Frank when I was playing. When I was playing,

1778
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 1: and it would be like, no, no, he knows about it.

1779
01:24:58,000 --> 01:24:59,720
Speaker 1: And that's my boy. He's my boy now and I

1780
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 1: told the story. He cracked up, right, but like like

1781
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:06,519
Speaker 1: it'll be like you got your break. You caught like

1782
01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:10,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, uh, eight passes in a game, and

1783
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 1: then third and long came and they're just like, nah,

1784
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,679
Speaker 1: you ain't going in the game. You're like, what the fuck?

1785
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 5: This is what I do, dude, this sign Adela.

1786
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:24,800
Speaker 1: That was my career. You're my rookie year, my rookie year.

1787
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:28,680
Speaker 2: I ball out in the playoff game Walker Tours ACL Yeah,

1788
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:31,200
Speaker 2: that's right, and so I balled out. I had two

1789
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:34,559
Speaker 2: touchdowns at like eight catches. We got our fucking teeth

1790
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:37,960
Speaker 2: kicked in by the Ravens that year in the first round.

1791
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:41,080
Speaker 2: All off season, I'm sitting there like like you're saying, oh,

1792
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:44,320
Speaker 2: playing the best, I'm gonna be a fucking baller. I

1793
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:47,080
Speaker 2: have so many more opportunities. I had seven catches for

1794
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:50,360
Speaker 2: the next two years. I mean, I was so fucking pissed.

1795
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:53,599
Speaker 2: Someone had to murder someone, a back injury and some

1796
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 2: broken groins for me to get my goddamn opportunity.

1797
01:25:56,920 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 1: But I never let it go. No, no, But that

1798
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:03,679
Speaker 1: was like that you had to be thinking, like, dude,

1799
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:07,160
Speaker 1: you had to do exactly any better than what I'm

1800
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 1: doing round now.

1801
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 2: But I know that I know that that coach hate fire.

1802
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:14,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's real, it's real, it's real. You look

1803
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 2: like I know exactly what you're talking about.

1804
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:21,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, this this whole like everyone thinks it's

1805
01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 1: the Pistons. And by the way, if it was the Pistons,

1806
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:26,040
Speaker 1: maybe I would have bricked all those shots, right, but

1807
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:28,840
Speaker 1: it wasn't. It was like it was like the fact

1808
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:32,000
Speaker 1: that like I didn't think, I like I really in

1809
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:33,599
Speaker 1: my mind said like, I don't know if I can

1810
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:35,880
Speaker 1: pay any better than what I'm doing, Like I am

1811
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:37,920
Speaker 1: shooting the ship out of the ball right now, right

1812
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:40,800
Speaker 1: my release is fast. I don't know if I can

1813
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:44,400
Speaker 1: play any better. And when he did that, it was

1814
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:50,680
Speaker 1: like this crazy fire goose bumps, like you motherfucker right now,

1815
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I am this this, I'm gonna go off

1816
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:56,519
Speaker 1: right now. What if what if he Jedi mind tricked

1817
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 1: you into that he might know I have to be said,

1818
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:02,439
Speaker 1: I didn't even know I did it. You didn't even

1819
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 1: know that he was like owned it.

1820
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:05,519
Speaker 4: See that.

1821
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:07,720
Speaker 2: Come on, coach, you should have said I did that

1822
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:09,879
Speaker 2: on purpose, because I know I've been working with you

1823
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:11,639
Speaker 2: you played better fucking angry.

1824
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, well there's no doubt about that. There's no doubt

1825
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:17,040
Speaker 1: about that. So when I knew, let me tell you,

1826
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:19,880
Speaker 1: when like this was the in there, there was this

1827
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:24,240
Speaker 1: fun moment, right, So, and you know, like when you

1828
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:28,400
Speaker 1: play when things are fucking slow, it's you feel like

1829
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:32,400
Speaker 1: your flash Gorge Superman or something like that. So, so

1830
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:37,480
Speaker 1: Kid drove to the basket and it's weird because your mind,

1831
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 1: it thinks in normal speed. You don't actually think slow.

1832
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:45,679
Speaker 1: Your mind thinks, but like the seconds take like five seconds.

1833
01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 1: So Kid threw the ball at it like, and I

1834
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 1: had the ball. I was like ready to catch it.

1835
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:53,240
Speaker 1: While the ball was in the air, I could see

1836
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:57,080
Speaker 1: the seams right, and I looked up at the clock

1837
01:27:57,200 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 1: and I could see the clock switch from two and

1838
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:02,760
Speaker 1: almost like it like you could see it switch to

1839
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:06,920
Speaker 1: one like like that, and I and I go, damn,

1840
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:08,840
Speaker 1: I got to shoot this quickly, Like I'm not going

1841
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:12,760
Speaker 1: to have time to catch it, drop it and shoot it.

1842
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:14,840
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna catch it high and shoot it.

1843
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:17,599
Speaker 1: So I caught the ball in the air and I

1844
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 1: shot it. So I caught it and I shot it,

1845
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:25,479
Speaker 1: and the ball rattled out and flew out. I walked back.

1846
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:29,320
Speaker 1: I was running back and said, holy shit, I've never

1847
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:33,559
Speaker 1: felt this before. I am fucking in the zone right now,

1848
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:36,960
Speaker 1: and I think I made a three and then that happened,

1849
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 1: So like whatever happened to my mind? Like and I

1850
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:43,640
Speaker 1: think like the studs, the Jordan's the studs, Like, I

1851
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:45,880
Speaker 1: think that's how they live and that's why they do

1852
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:48,360
Speaker 1: the things that are impossible, and it makes it look

1853
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:51,040
Speaker 1: easy to them because I think like everything they do

1854
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:54,559
Speaker 1: is in slow motion. Yeah. So I experienced that too,

1855
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:58,360
Speaker 1: the heighten the highest level one time. Other times I've

1856
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:00,840
Speaker 1: done some things, but that was like I could not

1857
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:04,559
Speaker 1: believe way that way that that transpired. And that was

1858
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:07,679
Speaker 1: when I just shut it off and just went off sky.

1859
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:10,599
Speaker 2: I remember having that zone in basketball in high school once,

1860
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:13,600
Speaker 2: did you. I swear to god, I just one of

1861
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:17,519
Speaker 2: those days where anything you were shooting, everything was and

1862
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:20,639
Speaker 2: I was on like the Frostshoft team, like shitty team

1863
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 2: JV team. But I remember just shooting and like you said,

1864
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:28,800
Speaker 2: I saw the seams of the ball. Yeah, when it metated.

1865
01:29:29,320 --> 01:29:31,200
Speaker 2: I remember doing that a couple of times. That was

1866
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:33,679
Speaker 2: that was the what about in football? Saying oh yeah,

1867
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 2: I've been on the zone. You because the spin, like

1868
01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:39,559
Speaker 2: for me, it looks like it's spinning, it's fast.

1869
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:40,200
Speaker 1: You was it?

1870
01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:42,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you try and look at the star, you know,

1871
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:44,960
Speaker 2: the very tip of the point of really you try

1872
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:45,599
Speaker 2: to look at that.

1873
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:47,160
Speaker 1: I felt that zone in.

1874
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:51,559
Speaker 2: Super Bowl fifty three, where like I just felt everything.

1875
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:53,840
Speaker 2: Any route I moved, I was bopping everyone. They were

1876
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:56,360
Speaker 2: changing matchups on me. So I was, you know, routing

1877
01:29:56,439 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 2: up different guys ball like when you pluck the ball

1878
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:03,200
Speaker 2: and it's just I've I've felt that a few times.

1879
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:07,080
Speaker 2: That's like the most euphoria you could ever have, you know,

1880
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:09,040
Speaker 2: when you're in that and you're just it's like like

1881
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:09,800
Speaker 2: a superhero.

1882
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:13,000
Speaker 1: You feel like you're in a superhero. Yeah. That's the best.

1883
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:16,559
Speaker 1: It's the best. Now, Jack, let's get back in heck. Yeah.

1884
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:18,880
Speaker 3: So to wrap this thing up, final score one twenty

1885
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:23,639
Speaker 3: seven one twenty Scale dropped nine and ot RJ finished

1886
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 3: with thirty one h SCALE finished with seventeen, and we

1887
01:30:28,439 --> 01:30:31,600
Speaker 3: go back to Jersey up three to two, trying to

1888
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:32,400
Speaker 3: close this thing out.

1889
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:36,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it all went away. I'm sorry. I

1890
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:39,439
Speaker 1: would tell you right now, like what happened is I

1891
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:42,000
Speaker 1: made the scouting report, and I didn't see the hoop

1892
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:44,800
Speaker 1: for the next two games, Like every time I caught

1893
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:46,880
Speaker 1: the ball, it was like they were right there. So

1894
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:49,840
Speaker 1: that's that was it. They didn't let that zone.

1895
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:49,920
Speaker 9: No.

1896
01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:52,760
Speaker 1: I was like, I couldn't even see the hoop. I

1897
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:56,120
Speaker 1: couldn't see the hoop. I was afterthought. And then I

1898
01:30:56,200 --> 01:30:59,000
Speaker 1: became like a featured guy and it was literally like

1899
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:03,000
Speaker 1: I it and all I thought was people in my face.

1900
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:05,280
Speaker 1: And by you know, four minutes to that, I was

1901
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:09,599
Speaker 1: back to being on the bench man and they and

1902
01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:12,680
Speaker 1: they we had a we had a decent lead. We

1903
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:15,640
Speaker 1: had a decent lead in that game, but they just

1904
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:18,320
Speaker 1: chipped away there this game. In the last in game six,

1905
01:31:19,240 --> 01:31:22,679
Speaker 1: for like five minutes, no one scored, No one scored.

1906
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:25,120
Speaker 1: It was is back and forth, miss mans, miss man.

1907
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:29,360
Speaker 1: No one could score. And then Richard Hamilton drives left pump,

1908
01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:31,920
Speaker 1: fake pump, fake pivot, pump, ke pump, fake pivot, pump,

1909
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:34,880
Speaker 1: fake shoots it over Jason kidd up by six. That

1910
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:37,759
Speaker 1: was it. And then game seven we got smoked. Remember

1911
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:39,920
Speaker 1: that was Rip. That's your boy.

1912
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:43,240
Speaker 2: I saw a Rip at a concert recently. Yeah, well

1913
01:31:43,240 --> 01:31:45,439
Speaker 2: he went to Yukon. Yeah, so he's he's like a

1914
01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:48,120
Speaker 2: big Pats fan. I guess, oh yeah, And he would

1915
01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:50,200
Speaker 2: always say that him and Brady used to hang out

1916
01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:51,240
Speaker 2: here and there when they.

1917
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:54,479
Speaker 1: Won the ship this year, got it and what was

1918
01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:57,519
Speaker 1: that concert? It was me it was some rap con

1919
01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 1: I forget, but he was cool as funck. Yeah I

1920
01:32:02,240 --> 01:32:07,400
Speaker 1: played Chicago. Yeah, real lay back, real laid back man,

1921
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:10,840
Speaker 1: and then go ahead. I'm just saying, like later on

1922
01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:14,519
Speaker 1: we end up with Boston and played them, and you

1923
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:18,000
Speaker 1: know the ray Allen rip Hamilton both from Yukon battles,

1924
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:21,519
Speaker 1: and both guys come off screens, and I mean ray

1925
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:24,720
Speaker 1: Allen was just fried. Like his whole arms were just

1926
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:28,840
Speaker 1: like rip, like just there's nails and scratches, and like

1927
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:32,360
Speaker 1: those guys are just you, not only it's like it's different,

1928
01:32:32,479 --> 01:32:34,640
Speaker 1: like those guys got to run around screens. They got

1929
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:36,720
Speaker 1: to chase each other around screens. But then when you

1930
01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:38,400
Speaker 1: do get an open shot, you gotta knock that. You

1931
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:40,640
Speaker 1: gotta knock it down. Yeah, that's that's a hard thing

1932
01:32:40,680 --> 01:32:40,880
Speaker 1: to do.

1933
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:43,720
Speaker 2: It's kind of like the field goal. It reminds me

1934
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:47,839
Speaker 2: of a last shot situation we call it in football. Okay,

1935
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:50,320
Speaker 2: It's it's where you have the ball before half, and

1936
01:32:50,360 --> 01:32:52,160
Speaker 2: you're trying to suck down as much time as you

1937
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:53,840
Speaker 2: can off the clock so you can get that ten

1938
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:54,479
Speaker 2: point swing.

1939
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:55,639
Speaker 1: You kick the field goal.

1940
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:58,000
Speaker 2: You know, we'd always say, you know, great job of

1941
01:32:58,040 --> 01:33:01,400
Speaker 2: executing taking off the time, but it all doesn't mean

1942
01:33:01,439 --> 01:33:02,639
Speaker 2: anything unless you make the kick.

1943
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:06,360
Speaker 1: Gotcha, Yeah, I got it. It's like that, like the shot.

1944
01:33:06,720 --> 01:33:09,559
Speaker 1: You do all the work for the shot. Gotta make

1945
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:10,680
Speaker 1: the shot. Yeah, I got to hit it.

1946
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:12,280
Speaker 3: Maybe you gotta get around all those screens, got to

1947
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:13,920
Speaker 3: get to your spot, gotta knock you down.

1948
01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:19,280
Speaker 1: But was up Jason kidding his knee edge? I know, man,

1949
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 1: I remember that man, he had the microfracture. Yeah, right,

1950
01:33:23,680 --> 01:33:26,200
Speaker 1: you put the holes in the marrow bleeds through and

1951
01:33:26,240 --> 01:33:29,120
Speaker 1: you create a new cartilage. Right. It's like like he

1952
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:33,840
Speaker 1: he ended up like having a long career. I played

1953
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:36,920
Speaker 1: twenty some years, right, But you should see He'll tell

1954
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:40,600
Speaker 1: you like he does his his preparation auhor for the

1955
01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:43,080
Speaker 1: thing that we were talking about earlier, just about I

1956
01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:45,080
Speaker 1: got to get in every day and do my preparation

1957
01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:48,040
Speaker 1: to play, you know, and he does. As you get older,

1958
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 1: you spend a lot more time just like preparing yourself

1959
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:53,240
Speaker 1: to just to play like twenty minutes. You know, you

1960
01:33:53,240 --> 01:33:55,280
Speaker 1: gotta work so much harder when you get older. Yeah,

1961
01:33:55,280 --> 01:33:55,880
Speaker 1: but you're smarter.

1962
01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:59,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's what I They've tried to

1963
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:02,400
Speaker 2: give me a micro surgery. That's why I retired because

1964
01:34:02,479 --> 01:34:06,880
Speaker 2: I was thirty four years old. I saw the whole

1965
01:34:06,920 --> 01:34:10,280
Speaker 2: medial side of my knee wore out. Yeah, and so

1966
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 2: I tore the root of my meniscus and that's what

1967
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:17,200
Speaker 2: holds the meniscus down. So they were like, this was

1968
01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:19,519
Speaker 2: before my last season. They're like, we can go in

1969
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:22,400
Speaker 2: and we can give you microfracture surgery. It's a twelve

1970
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:25,360
Speaker 2: month recovery, or you can try to play a pain.

1971
01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:29,080
Speaker 2: I tried to play the pain and then after that

1972
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:30,080
Speaker 2: I had to hang it up.

1973
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:34,080
Speaker 1: Here's bad. Yeah, with it hard for you at first?

1974
01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:39,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, it was definitely hard because you're

1975
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:43,559
Speaker 2: so accustomed to the routine, the life. I mean, we've

1976
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:47,040
Speaker 2: had the same life since we were eight years old,

1977
01:34:47,080 --> 01:34:49,800
Speaker 2: where you go to school, you come home, you go

1978
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:52,160
Speaker 2: to practice, you eat dinner, you do it again. Now

1979
01:34:52,240 --> 01:34:55,280
Speaker 2: the school's replaced with football school where you're installing, and

1980
01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:57,400
Speaker 2: it's that kind of but I've had that same life

1981
01:34:57,479 --> 01:35:01,559
Speaker 2: so of course, you get I was hurt, but I

1982
01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:06,080
Speaker 2: was also emotionally and physically exhausted for that year where

1983
01:35:06,120 --> 01:35:09,960
Speaker 2: I couldn't even walk until the Friday the next week,

1984
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:12,120
Speaker 2: you know, and then I had to get up to

1985
01:35:12,160 --> 01:35:16,880
Speaker 2: play Sunday, and then you know, the anxiety and of

1986
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:19,920
Speaker 2: having the standard that you've put out on the field

1987
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:23,680
Speaker 2: for you know, five seven years at that point when

1988
01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:26,800
Speaker 2: I was in my you know, my prime to like,

1989
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:29,120
Speaker 2: you don't even look like the same guy on the film,

1990
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:31,439
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So I was like so

1991
01:35:31,560 --> 01:35:35,680
Speaker 2: beat up mentally and my ego was hurt, and the

1992
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:39,120
Speaker 2: pain there was actual pain, where like as soon as

1993
01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:41,120
Speaker 2: I retired, I was like it was like something got

1994
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:42,040
Speaker 2: lifted off of me.

1995
01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:45,639
Speaker 1: You know. I was content. We won three Super Bowls,

1996
01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:46,759
Speaker 1: I had a Super Bowl MVP.

1997
01:35:47,720 --> 01:35:50,479
Speaker 2: I exceeded everything I ever thought I could do, you know,

1998
01:35:50,840 --> 01:35:51,599
Speaker 2: So I was I was.

1999
01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:56,240
Speaker 1: I was cool with that and content with that. But

2000
01:35:56,280 --> 01:35:57,720
Speaker 1: I like hated the.

2001
01:35:57,680 --> 01:36:00,519
Speaker 2: Game for like the first year out, you know, just

2002
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:03,920
Speaker 2: because I felt like shit, Yeah, like it eats you

2003
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:05,600
Speaker 2: up and it spits you out, like you know what

2004
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:06,160
Speaker 2: I mean.

2005
01:36:06,160 --> 01:36:10,560
Speaker 1: You felt worse than you felt playing, Yeah, holy shit.

2006
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:14,879
Speaker 2: You know, and then it wasn't until I started feeling good. Yeah,

2007
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:16,960
Speaker 2: my body start and that's when I started missing the game.

2008
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:18,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was like a year and a half, two

2009
01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:19,400
Speaker 1: years later.

2010
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:22,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, then you're like, you go up on the field

2011
01:36:22,240 --> 01:36:23,920
Speaker 2: and kicking the ball around my daughter.

2012
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:26,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I still got run. Yeah yeah, you know.

2013
01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:29,280
Speaker 1: I man, I do miss that ship, you know what

2014
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:31,320
Speaker 1: I mean? But it was it was crazy. Do you

2015
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:33,840
Speaker 1: miss it now? I had like mine was different, Like

2016
01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:38,240
Speaker 1: I I wasn't good enough, right, Like I wasn't probably

2017
01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:40,160
Speaker 1: good in the last four years I played by somehow

2018
01:36:40,160 --> 01:36:43,000
Speaker 1: I got a job, right, But but then I had

2019
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:46,560
Speaker 1: some opportunities to go play overseas and then you know,

2020
01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:50,519
Speaker 1: I'm very opportunistic like in life, right, So, and I

2021
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:53,880
Speaker 1: just do things, you guys, aiden sets this up, I'm

2022
01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:55,639
Speaker 1: gonna do it, like I don't know, this could turn

2023
01:36:55,640 --> 01:36:57,519
Speaker 1: into something and it's gonna be great if I can.

2024
01:36:57,920 --> 01:36:59,840
Speaker 1: I just chop it up with you, like I don't know.

2025
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:03,120
Speaker 1: This is how life is for me, right. So, Tommy

2026
01:37:03,160 --> 01:37:05,439
Speaker 1: Heinsen was getting up there in age when he was

2027
01:37:05,439 --> 01:37:07,519
Speaker 1: doing the Celtic games, and I know he wasn't traveling.

2028
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:11,560
Speaker 1: So I'm talking like the day I lost to the

2029
01:37:11,560 --> 01:37:14,559
Speaker 1: Philadelphia seventy six ers. Derek Roseters his ACL We were

2030
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:16,400
Speaker 1: set to play the Celtics in the second round of

2031
01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:18,479
Speaker 1: the playoffs, like we were a one seed, they were

2032
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:20,599
Speaker 1: a four or five. They we won, we were supposed

2033
01:37:20,640 --> 01:37:23,120
Speaker 1: to play. I had all my boys lined up, like, Yo,

2034
01:37:23,120 --> 01:37:24,640
Speaker 1: we're going to hang out. This is what we're gonna do.

2035
01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:25,679
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come into town.

2036
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:25,960
Speaker 3: You know.

2037
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:27,920
Speaker 1: I got the game, but it is what it is, right,

2038
01:37:28,360 --> 01:37:31,200
Speaker 1: And so we lost. So I was like, man, I

2039
01:37:31,240 --> 01:37:33,479
Speaker 1: still want to hang out with my boys. So I

2040
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:35,920
Speaker 1: called NBC and said, I want to work the series.

2041
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:38,599
Speaker 1: I know your team and I know the seventy six ers.

2042
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:42,560
Speaker 1: So I had the TV gig that was available, and

2043
01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:44,280
Speaker 1: so I started doing that. I liked it. I was

2044
01:37:44,280 --> 01:37:46,840
Speaker 1: pretty good at it, you know, just I kept it real.

2045
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:50,520
Speaker 1: It's basketball or whatever, right, And so I had that opportunity.

2046
01:37:50,520 --> 01:37:52,920
Speaker 1: I could have went overseas, and then my wife was

2047
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:56,479
Speaker 1: pregnant with at that time would be my son, third kid,

2048
01:37:56,560 --> 01:37:58,960
Speaker 1: and she just basically told me I'm not going overseas. Yeah.

2049
01:37:59,120 --> 01:38:01,600
Speaker 1: So I'm like, well, I got this job. I like,

2050
01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:05,200
Speaker 1: but I but I'd rather keep playing because of my ego.

2051
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:08,600
Speaker 1: It's all it was all ego. It wasn't it wasn't logical,

2052
01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:11,320
Speaker 1: it wasn't like it was just all like, nah, man,

2053
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:14,320
Speaker 1: I'm a hooper. This is what I do. But the

2054
01:38:14,360 --> 01:38:16,400
Speaker 1: smartest decision I've ever made, like this, this thing is

2055
01:38:16,720 --> 01:38:19,000
Speaker 1: I could last for forty years, right, And I'm glad.

2056
01:38:19,160 --> 01:38:21,400
Speaker 1: I like like it. And I went around just playing

2057
01:38:21,400 --> 01:38:24,240
Speaker 1: hoop everywhere. So I was hurt at first that I

2058
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:26,720
Speaker 1: had to stop, and I was like angry I had

2059
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:30,120
Speaker 1: to stop, But then I know the hoop was good.

2060
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:32,120
Speaker 1: And then I'll tell you what happened. The second year,

2061
01:38:32,120 --> 01:38:34,080
Speaker 1: I take a job with the Golden State Warriors, and

2062
01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:36,160
Speaker 1: I started playing pick up with them. And on Monday,

2063
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:39,519
Speaker 1: you play, those guys play four days Monday to Thursday,

2064
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:42,120
Speaker 1: and they take the weekends off and they come back Monday.

2065
01:38:42,160 --> 01:38:44,320
Speaker 1: I was nice, like, I held my own. I was

2066
01:38:44,360 --> 01:38:48,400
Speaker 1: hanging with Steph Curry and David Lee and Draymond Green.

2067
01:38:48,439 --> 01:38:51,280
Speaker 1: I was holding my own. But then Thursday rolls around.

2068
01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:55,720
Speaker 1: I can't move and those guys are getting better, and

2069
01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:59,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, whoa man? Like I can't I literally cannot

2070
01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:02,840
Speaker 1: move my feet at all. And so that was when

2071
01:39:02,920 --> 01:39:06,160
Speaker 1: I was like really content, content with the whole thing,

2072
01:39:06,240 --> 01:39:08,800
Speaker 1: like I'm not even good enough to play. Before that

2073
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:11,720
Speaker 1: I thought I was, but playing against those guys, I

2074
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:15,000
Speaker 1: was like really knowing, like I'm not good enough. I

2075
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:17,960
Speaker 1: can't do it, Like it's just even if I wanted to,

2076
01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:20,960
Speaker 1: it would be too hard. And then you got that

2077
01:39:21,479 --> 01:39:23,720
Speaker 1: there's that place that you were just talking about the

2078
01:39:23,800 --> 01:39:27,040
Speaker 1: amount of work it takes just to be fucking average,

2079
01:39:27,160 --> 01:39:30,280
Speaker 1: like of course just to free, just to fucking suck.

2080
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:33,400
Speaker 1: It was like I'd have to dedicate eight hours a

2081
01:39:33,479 --> 01:39:36,080
Speaker 1: day just to be a twelfth man on a team.

2082
01:39:36,240 --> 01:39:39,880
Speaker 1: Like it's not worth it, Like do something else. That's

2083
01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:43,160
Speaker 1: exactly how it was for me, Jackie, wrap it up.

2084
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:46,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the Pistons go on to beat the Lakers

2085
01:39:46,160 --> 01:39:48,840
Speaker 3: in the NBA Finals. Scal spins his next season with

2086
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:52,200
Speaker 3: the Nets, then comes over to the Celtics selties yes right,

2087
01:39:52,240 --> 01:39:53,479
Speaker 3: and wins an NBA title.

2088
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:56,719
Speaker 1: Fuck yeah, yeah, I went on a stretch there in college.

2089
01:39:56,840 --> 01:39:59,640
Speaker 1: I lost to Duke, then we went to the finals,

2090
01:40:00,040 --> 01:40:03,360
Speaker 1: lost to the Lakers. Then we went to the finals again,

2091
01:40:03,600 --> 01:40:07,080
Speaker 1: lost to the Spurs. Then we played the Pistons they

2092
01:40:07,120 --> 01:40:11,120
Speaker 1: won the championship. Then I think the following year, who

2093
01:40:11,160 --> 01:40:13,200
Speaker 1: wonted I guess it would be the Spurs at that point.

2094
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:16,760
Speaker 1: So I like lost to like four straight champions, right,

2095
01:40:17,160 --> 01:40:19,160
Speaker 1: But that team was a really good team, a little

2096
01:40:19,200 --> 01:40:22,880
Speaker 1: really underrated group, and they were they deserved it. I

2097
01:40:23,200 --> 01:40:25,599
Speaker 1: don't care what anybody says about anything, like that team

2098
01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:28,559
Speaker 1: was really good. Rashie Wallace made a big difference, and

2099
01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:30,760
Speaker 1: I was I was happy I got a chance to

2100
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:33,479
Speaker 1: even be in something like that. That's it's crazy, the

2101
01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:36,680
Speaker 1: only one one. The Spurs were good though, that's like

2102
01:40:36,720 --> 01:40:39,679
Speaker 1: the Duncan Era and they just went back and forth, right,

2103
01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:43,840
Speaker 1: and then like I'm not saying, I'm not saying I'm

2104
01:40:43,880 --> 01:40:46,400
Speaker 1: not a conspiracy theorist, but I felt like they were

2105
01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:49,920
Speaker 1: better than Lebron's team and somehow, like I felt like

2106
01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:53,120
Speaker 1: Lebron got every call in that in a series against them,

2107
01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:55,800
Speaker 1: and then Lebron ended up going to the finals and

2108
01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:58,200
Speaker 1: they got smoked by the Spurs. But I thought, I

2109
01:40:58,240 --> 01:41:00,920
Speaker 1: thought a Piston Spurs. It's like one of those things

2110
01:41:00,920 --> 01:41:04,479
Speaker 1: where for whatever reason, Piston Spurs had no ratings. But

2111
01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:06,519
Speaker 1: I thought it was the greatest finals. Yeah, you know,

2112
01:41:06,840 --> 01:41:10,680
Speaker 1: like it was like everything was hard. Everything inbounding the

2113
01:41:10,720 --> 01:41:14,200
Speaker 1: ball was hard, like so so I just loved that series,

2114
01:41:14,240 --> 01:41:16,640
Speaker 1: but it just didn't look like like people just did

2115
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:20,000
Speaker 1: weren't for whatever reason, they just didn't like it.

2116
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:24,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, the freaking the Spurs kind of like the Patriots

2117
01:41:24,680 --> 01:41:26,120
Speaker 2: coming out on top pop Baby.

2118
01:41:26,200 --> 01:41:29,479
Speaker 1: They figure it out, they figure it out. What what was?

2119
01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:32,519
Speaker 1: How many? I thought they've been to eleven Super Bowls

2120
01:41:32,560 --> 01:41:35,280
Speaker 1: like the Tom Brady era since that era to now

2121
01:41:35,439 --> 01:41:37,760
Speaker 1: they were they went, we went to he went to ten.

2122
01:41:38,280 --> 01:41:40,720
Speaker 1: He's been to Tampa. That's one with Tampa Bay or

2123
01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:42,360
Speaker 1: ten with the Patriots.

2124
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:48,000
Speaker 3: So three oh four or one lost three eleven? Yeah, yeah,

2125
01:41:48,080 --> 01:41:49,599
Speaker 3: eleven all time for the Patriots.

2126
01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:51,680
Speaker 1: That is hard to do.

2127
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:55,040
Speaker 2: Man, it was like one every It was like one

2128
01:41:55,080 --> 01:41:56,960
Speaker 2: every It was like he was going into a super

2129
01:41:56,960 --> 01:41:58,760
Speaker 2: Bowl like every third year.

2130
01:41:59,439 --> 01:42:00,840
Speaker 1: Second is two and a half years.

2131
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:03,800
Speaker 8: There's some crazy stat that his winning percentage in the

2132
01:42:03,800 --> 01:42:05,640
Speaker 8: AFC Championship games.

2133
01:42:05,840 --> 01:42:09,639
Speaker 5: Is higher than or was higher than his completion.

2134
01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:13,200
Speaker 8: He was more likely to have a past be incomplete

2135
01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:15,600
Speaker 8: than he was to miss an AFC Championships.

2136
01:42:15,680 --> 01:42:19,519
Speaker 1: Unreal, that's crazy, unreal. Then you go to the Celts,

2137
01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:20,800
Speaker 1: you get a you got a ship though.

2138
01:42:21,479 --> 01:42:24,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, the boys that was sick, especially with the Big

2139
01:42:24,920 --> 01:42:26,360
Speaker 2: Three that was such a net man.

2140
01:42:26,960 --> 01:42:29,479
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know how it is, but he

2141
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:32,160
Speaker 1: walks in the room. It's different, man, Like everywhere he

2142
01:42:32,680 --> 01:42:37,000
Speaker 1: the locker room, the weight room, the practice, he doesn't.

2143
01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:38,120
Speaker 1: You don't fuck around.

2144
01:42:38,120 --> 01:42:38,280
Speaker 4: Man.

2145
01:42:38,320 --> 01:42:42,160
Speaker 1: He's now. He's a great off the court, great guy,

2146
01:42:42,640 --> 01:42:47,000
Speaker 1: great guy, cared about everything, cared about the twelfth Man.

2147
01:42:47,200 --> 01:42:49,760
Speaker 1: He cared about my daughter who was four, like he

2148
01:42:49,880 --> 01:42:53,120
Speaker 1: cared about everybody's family. It was real, not like, hey,

2149
01:42:53,160 --> 01:42:54,200
Speaker 1: what's up, how's your family?

2150
01:42:54,439 --> 01:42:54,519
Speaker 5: Like?

2151
01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:58,160
Speaker 1: It was like legit right, But he was all business,

2152
01:42:58,280 --> 01:43:01,280
Speaker 1: all business when he was playing basketball at the facility,

2153
01:43:01,280 --> 01:43:04,920
Speaker 1: and that stuff is just like margins in the professional

2154
01:43:04,920 --> 01:43:08,479
Speaker 1: sports are so small. Garnet walks in and everyone's one

2155
01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:12,479
Speaker 1: percent better that month, and they improved one percent every

2156
01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:15,479
Speaker 1: month for a season. Because of Garnett, we're a whole

2157
01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:17,120
Speaker 1: lot better at the end of the season, you know,

2158
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:20,439
Speaker 1: or or a drill is one percent better. It's just

2159
01:43:20,640 --> 01:43:24,800
Speaker 1: it's consistency and how much he changes everything. But I've

2160
01:43:24,840 --> 01:43:29,400
Speaker 1: been around good players teammates. Pierce's great kid is amazing.

2161
01:43:29,760 --> 01:43:35,720
Speaker 1: Derek Rose, nothing was like Kevin Garnett. Yeah, like the

2162
01:43:35,720 --> 01:43:40,520
Speaker 1: big brother. More than it's bigger than that, like a

2163
01:43:40,560 --> 01:43:45,200
Speaker 1: big brother, father, uncle, all that in one. I'm very

2164
01:43:45,200 --> 01:43:48,760
Speaker 1: impressive being around him for the three years. Very impressive

2165
01:43:49,200 --> 01:43:49,760
Speaker 1: human being.

2166
01:43:50,280 --> 01:43:52,720
Speaker 2: I've never got to kick it with him. Me and

2167
01:43:52,760 --> 01:43:54,599
Speaker 2: Paul got we've hung out a few.

2168
01:43:54,640 --> 01:43:56,559
Speaker 5: I mean I got well documented.

2169
01:43:56,640 --> 01:43:57,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's well documented.

2170
01:43:58,160 --> 01:44:01,599
Speaker 2: Arrested slide came to a fucking start skinning hood hood

2171
01:44:01,640 --> 01:44:05,680
Speaker 2: slide anymore for Paul Pierce citizens We we go to

2172
01:44:05,720 --> 01:44:09,080
Speaker 2: this bar, We go to this place, and there's cops everywhere,

2173
01:44:09,160 --> 01:44:11,120
Speaker 2: and we start talking. I did like a hood slide.

2174
01:44:11,160 --> 01:44:13,519
Speaker 2: Some guy gets out of his car. We thought we

2175
01:44:13,560 --> 01:44:13,880
Speaker 2: got to.

2176
01:44:14,439 --> 01:44:17,480
Speaker 1: Await the dude in the car. You a hood slide,

2177
01:44:18,680 --> 01:44:23,640
Speaker 1: nice car, It was a bens. Oh my gosh. What

2178
01:44:23,680 --> 01:44:25,360
Speaker 1: would you do if some much hood slide? Did you?

2179
01:44:26,760 --> 01:44:28,160
Speaker 1: It depends on the hoodslide.

2180
01:44:28,960 --> 01:44:30,639
Speaker 5: Well, if they pulled it off, you would have been cool.

2181
01:44:30,720 --> 01:44:33,360
Speaker 2: Yeah you didn't a little humid in there that had

2182
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:33,799
Speaker 2: a gene.

2183
01:44:33,800 --> 01:44:34,320
Speaker 1: It's stuck.

2184
01:44:34,520 --> 01:44:34,800
Speaker 5: You had.

2185
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:36,400
Speaker 1: Hood slides don't go together.

2186
01:44:36,560 --> 01:44:37,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, you had your moment. You didn't.

2187
01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:43,519
Speaker 1: Capital didn't. This is goodness, Jack. We got any leftovers? No,

2188
01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:46,160
Speaker 1: I just uh, that was amazing. Uh.

2189
01:44:46,200 --> 01:44:50,040
Speaker 3: The only one I think scal better Celebration eight or

2190
01:44:50,080 --> 01:44:52,080
Speaker 3: twenty four twenty four better celebration.

2191
01:44:52,120 --> 01:44:55,360
Speaker 1: Wow, everything is bigger now. I feel everything is the

2192
01:44:55,400 --> 01:44:57,680
Speaker 1: only thing I would say is in O eight, I

2193
01:44:57,680 --> 01:45:00,719
Speaker 1: don't remember one cell phone. All you see it cell phone.

2194
01:45:01,640 --> 01:45:05,160
Speaker 1: Everybody's just like everyone lives life like peeking through their

2195
01:45:05,200 --> 01:45:07,759
Speaker 1: cell phone. You know, I'm not living the moment, buddy,

2196
01:45:08,120 --> 01:45:11,439
Speaker 1: I know. But so besides that. But no, and by

2197
01:45:11,479 --> 01:45:14,360
Speaker 1: the way, like you know, you've celebrated multiple Super Bowls,

2198
01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:17,040
Speaker 1: you got it takes experience, you got to know, like

2199
01:45:17,120 --> 01:45:19,519
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like I regretted the way

2200
01:45:19,560 --> 01:45:21,559
Speaker 1: I celebrated in a way. I wish I would have

2201
01:45:22,080 --> 01:45:24,800
Speaker 1: partied all night with the fans. You know that's just me.

2202
01:45:25,320 --> 01:45:27,720
Speaker 1: So No, it's a twenty four was and they did

2203
01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:30,400
Speaker 1: a great job. And like I said, everything is bigger now.

2204
01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:32,559
Speaker 1: I think it was too million people that showed up,

2205
01:45:33,720 --> 01:45:38,439
Speaker 1: crazy and younger, Like I don't remember that many young

2206
01:45:38,479 --> 01:45:41,240
Speaker 1: people out when I was maybe because I'm older. Yeah,

2207
01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:46,559
Speaker 1: they're out, they are out. They're out. Baby. Let's name

2208
01:45:46,640 --> 01:45:49,839
Speaker 1: the game. We'll be right back after this quick break.

2209
01:45:56,560 --> 01:46:00,479
Speaker 1: So this is Scalabrini game. This is everyone referred as

2210
01:46:00,479 --> 01:46:02,680
Speaker 1: the Scalabrini game. So it's the Scalabrini game, not the

2211
01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:06,360
Speaker 1: white mom at the time. Okay, yeah, let's go. Everybody

2212
01:46:06,360 --> 01:46:08,439
Speaker 1: would say, you remember the Brian Scalabrini game, and they'd

2213
01:46:08,439 --> 01:46:11,040
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, he went off on the pistons.

2214
01:46:11,120 --> 01:46:13,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and then that's the game. Let's score the game.

2215
01:46:14,080 --> 01:46:16,439
Speaker 2: Is this the greatest game of all time? Let's score it.

2216
01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:21,320
Speaker 2: The stakes of this game? Game five in a seven

2217
01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:24,120
Speaker 2: game series, seven game series, but it was this first round,

2218
01:46:25,720 --> 01:46:28,160
Speaker 2: so stas one to ten decimals.

2219
01:46:28,200 --> 01:46:32,599
Speaker 1: Okay, given the fact that both teams were the best

2220
01:46:32,600 --> 01:46:35,040
Speaker 1: teams in the East, right, even though Indiana had the

2221
01:46:35,040 --> 01:46:37,240
Speaker 1: best record in the East, I would say, it's like

2222
01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:40,160
Speaker 1: an eight, that's a good score.

2223
01:46:40,240 --> 01:46:44,160
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, I'll go with I'll go with the seven

2224
01:46:44,160 --> 01:46:46,000
Speaker 2: point eight game five.

2225
01:46:46,600 --> 01:46:48,479
Speaker 3: Nothing on the line line yet I was in that

2226
01:46:48,520 --> 01:46:51,479
Speaker 3: same territory seven point one. But but he's a ball

2227
01:46:51,479 --> 01:46:54,439
Speaker 3: he's a ball guy. So what we got we matched

2228
01:46:54,520 --> 01:46:56,639
Speaker 3: seven point I did some point two.

2229
01:46:56,640 --> 01:46:58,600
Speaker 2: But you know, this is such a swing game for

2230
01:46:58,680 --> 01:47:02,120
Speaker 2: those those seven games series, so there's a little more important, Yeah.

2231
01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:04,400
Speaker 1: A little bit more, but it is a semie. But

2232
01:47:04,520 --> 01:47:07,600
Speaker 1: it's just the magnitude of those two teams. You know,

2233
01:47:07,640 --> 01:47:11,240
Speaker 1: the fact that they spanked us and we spanked them,

2234
01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:14,120
Speaker 1: and you know, like that game on the road, Oh man,

2235
01:47:14,120 --> 01:47:16,400
Speaker 1: you should have seem like Kid Rock was there talking

2236
01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:18,280
Speaker 1: ship to me. I was like running and down like

2237
01:47:19,000 --> 01:47:23,000
Speaker 1: I think Eminem was there. You know, Detroit Detroit real

2238
01:47:23,160 --> 01:47:28,479
Speaker 1: like grimy Doll the fans. So it was it wasn't.

2239
01:47:28,720 --> 01:47:30,880
Speaker 1: It wasn't like what you see in the NBA. Now.

2240
01:47:31,040 --> 01:47:33,880
Speaker 1: It was like there's dudes, you know, I think they

2241
01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:36,160
Speaker 1: had to be pimps and four coats and glass of

2242
01:47:36,320 --> 01:47:40,040
Speaker 1: piggy rings on what you doing? You know, like there

2243
01:47:40,040 --> 01:47:44,799
Speaker 1: were some real characters, real, yo, Detroit is real. Detroit

2244
01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:46,000
Speaker 1: is some real dogs.

2245
01:47:46,080 --> 01:47:46,320
Speaker 2: Man.

2246
01:47:46,720 --> 01:47:48,679
Speaker 5: We had Robert Oriy on the show. He said Eminem

2247
01:47:48,760 --> 01:47:49,080
Speaker 5: was talking.

2248
01:47:50,040 --> 01:47:54,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, they go they go at you. But what they

2249
01:47:54,120 --> 01:47:57,640
Speaker 1: don't understand is like that makes me like when I

2250
01:47:57,800 --> 01:48:00,400
Speaker 1: was a rookie, Like I told you that game I

2251
01:48:00,479 --> 01:48:02,920
Speaker 1: was in was I was spinning right, he was my

2252
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:06,280
Speaker 1: first game, not my preseason No, it was a preseason game.

2253
01:48:06,760 --> 01:48:10,360
Speaker 1: I was spinning. It was going so fast and Latrell

2254
01:48:10,400 --> 01:48:13,320
Speaker 1: Spreewell started talking ship to me, and I was like, cool,

2255
01:48:13,520 --> 01:48:15,640
Speaker 1: I'm good now, if you're gonna take the time and

2256
01:48:15,680 --> 01:48:18,920
Speaker 1: talk ship to me. I belong you know before that,

2257
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:20,479
Speaker 1: and he would have been like, nice shot. I would

2258
01:48:20,479 --> 01:48:26,080
Speaker 1: have been like the fact that he was going to

2259
01:48:26,120 --> 01:48:27,960
Speaker 1: take the time out of his day to talk shit

2260
01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:30,280
Speaker 1: to me. I mean, he's like, all right, I've been

2261
01:48:30,320 --> 01:48:32,679
Speaker 1: here before. I've been the white boy in the gym,

2262
01:48:32,720 --> 01:48:35,719
Speaker 1: if the only white boy before. I'm good with that role.

2263
01:48:36,120 --> 01:48:37,760
Speaker 1: I'm not good with the role I was just in

2264
01:48:37,880 --> 01:48:40,160
Speaker 1: when I don't believe I belonged out there. But I'm

2265
01:48:40,160 --> 01:48:41,760
Speaker 1: good Now. You got it.

2266
01:48:41,840 --> 01:48:45,320
Speaker 2: You gotta hey it's a white guy in sport. Oh yeah,

2267
01:48:45,320 --> 01:48:48,200
Speaker 2: you got you gotta be you gotta be able to

2268
01:48:48,200 --> 01:48:48,640
Speaker 2: handle it.

2269
01:48:48,720 --> 01:48:51,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. Star power. We just talked about.

2270
01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:55,680
Speaker 2: Eminem This could be from team to Ambiyon's who was

2271
01:48:55,720 --> 01:48:58,439
Speaker 2: at the game star zero to ten.

2272
01:48:59,080 --> 01:49:04,080
Speaker 1: Six, Yeah, I mean, but it's a like you get

2273
01:49:04,120 --> 01:49:07,280
Speaker 1: like even like just the basketball players. I think probably

2274
01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:12,960
Speaker 1: Kid is the top thirty. So yeah, it's not loaded

2275
01:49:13,000 --> 01:49:15,559
Speaker 1: with not loaded with Mount rushmorees, you know what I mean.

2276
01:49:15,640 --> 01:49:19,040
Speaker 2: That's a great that's a very honorable score. I'm gonna

2277
01:49:19,040 --> 01:49:20,800
Speaker 2: go with I was gonna go seven to four.

2278
01:49:21,400 --> 01:49:25,080
Speaker 1: Who's the stars? I mean, I grew I love I

2279
01:49:25,160 --> 01:49:28,000
Speaker 1: love that Detroit Pistons team. But they were a group.

2280
01:49:28,280 --> 01:49:31,479
Speaker 2: They were, but like that's still that that that team

2281
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:35,599
Speaker 2: was just tough y oh yeah, and then they're a group.

2282
01:49:35,920 --> 01:49:39,479
Speaker 5: I like, man, I usually rack, what.

2283
01:49:39,280 --> 01:49:46,200
Speaker 1: Were you guys? Who are the stars? Kid Williams, I got,

2284
01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:49,080
Speaker 1: I got a funny ass Corliss Williamson story. So like

2285
01:49:49,160 --> 01:49:53,200
Speaker 1: he year one, like man, he destroyed me, destroyed me.

2286
01:49:53,240 --> 01:49:55,639
Speaker 1: That was my matchup right again in the game, and

2287
01:49:55,680 --> 01:49:58,720
Speaker 1: he was destroying me. It was the different words. He

2288
01:49:58,840 --> 01:50:02,320
Speaker 1: is destroying me and uh and I was like, man,

2289
01:50:02,360 --> 01:50:04,200
Speaker 1: I don't I can't even stop this guy. And I

2290
01:50:04,240 --> 01:50:06,400
Speaker 1: fouled him and he scored on me. I fouled him again.

2291
01:50:06,439 --> 01:50:08,120
Speaker 1: He's scored on me, and like I just subbed out.

2292
01:50:08,200 --> 01:50:11,519
Speaker 1: Like the coaches like the fuck was that right? Just

2293
01:50:11,720 --> 01:50:13,880
Speaker 1: your job is to stop the backup and they would

2294
01:50:13,960 --> 01:50:17,759
Speaker 1: just go at me right that whole year, my strength

2295
01:50:17,800 --> 01:50:19,880
Speaker 1: coach was like Corliss Williamson is in the weight room

2296
01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:22,599
Speaker 1: work and I had a picture Corlius Williamson and every

2297
01:50:22,680 --> 01:50:25,000
Speaker 1: day I worked it was Corlus Williams and he was like,

2298
01:50:25,040 --> 01:50:27,000
Speaker 1: I don't know how to stop. I started studying film.

2299
01:50:27,320 --> 01:50:29,839
Speaker 1: I learned how to work, like I learned how to prepare,

2300
01:50:30,160 --> 01:50:32,679
Speaker 1: so I started watching everything he did and people who

2301
01:50:32,880 --> 01:50:35,280
Speaker 1: did well against him. It was all setting the tone

2302
01:50:35,320 --> 01:50:36,760
Speaker 1: to to be like, this is what a pro does,

2303
01:50:37,320 --> 01:50:40,639
Speaker 1: not just for him, but for everybody. Next year, We're

2304
01:50:40,680 --> 01:50:43,439
Speaker 1: at the Meadowlands, which no one at the game. We're

2305
01:50:43,439 --> 01:50:47,400
Speaker 1: playing the Pistons. It's a preseason game. There's like it's

2306
01:50:47,520 --> 01:50:50,439
Speaker 1: quiet as hell. He gets the ball, I'm in the post.

2307
01:50:50,840 --> 01:50:53,160
Speaker 1: He bumps me. I hit the ball out of bounds

2308
01:50:53,720 --> 01:50:58,200
Speaker 1: and he and I stopped him. I'm like, yeah, motherfucker. Yeah,

2309
01:50:58,280 --> 01:51:02,160
Speaker 1: And everyone looks at me, like what's wrong? But that

2310
01:51:02,320 --> 01:51:06,720
Speaker 1: was my demon right there. Yeah. But I like, I've

2311
01:51:06,760 --> 01:51:09,599
Speaker 1: gone against dudes before and maybe they get me, but like,

2312
01:51:09,680 --> 01:51:12,200
Speaker 1: this was embarrassing the way he got me. And I

2313
01:51:12,280 --> 01:51:15,000
Speaker 1: was in my mind like like, people don't understand how

2314
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:19,120
Speaker 1: much that meaningless possession meant to me. When I just

2315
01:51:19,160 --> 01:51:21,920
Speaker 1: like stopped him, you know, it was like the biggest moment.

2316
01:51:22,160 --> 01:51:24,640
Speaker 1: And I was like thirty pounds heavier and stronger and

2317
01:51:24,680 --> 01:51:26,640
Speaker 1: everything like that, and I was like, this is like

2318
01:51:26,680 --> 01:51:29,880
Speaker 1: the biggest moment of my life. Preseason game. Put your

2319
01:51:29,880 --> 01:51:33,160
Speaker 1: mind here, you got it those demons maybe so I don't.

2320
01:51:33,200 --> 01:51:34,880
Speaker 1: I don't know about you guys in the star power.

2321
01:51:34,880 --> 01:51:36,360
Speaker 1: But that's fine. Yeah, I was wild on this one.

2322
01:51:36,400 --> 01:51:38,080
Speaker 5: I had an eight point three Jack at eight point seven.

2323
01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:41,200
Speaker 1: All right, what's the gameplay? Zero to ten? Gameplay of

2324
01:51:41,320 --> 01:51:44,000
Speaker 1: the flow of the game back and forth? You guys

2325
01:51:44,040 --> 01:51:46,559
Speaker 1: went three overtime in their lives, like because because this

2326
01:51:46,680 --> 01:51:49,000
Speaker 1: was two defensive teams that don't score and we go

2327
01:51:49,040 --> 01:51:51,320
Speaker 1: one twenty seven to win to twenty. I thought the

2328
01:51:51,320 --> 01:51:53,280
Speaker 1: flow of this game was amazing. So I'm gonna say

2329
01:51:53,320 --> 01:51:55,880
Speaker 1: like eight and a half, eight and a half all night. Yeah. Yeah,

2330
01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:59,000
Speaker 1: it was shot making, tough defense, everything you would want.

2331
01:51:59,120 --> 01:52:03,719
Speaker 1: I'm going eight you guys, triple o t buzzer beater.

2332
01:52:06,160 --> 01:52:10,080
Speaker 1: It was. It was incredible because it wasn't that bullshit defense.

2333
01:52:10,160 --> 01:52:10,880
Speaker 1: It was legit.

2334
01:52:11,520 --> 01:52:11,800
Speaker 4: You know.

2335
01:52:12,160 --> 01:52:14,360
Speaker 2: Now you got to score the name of the game,

2336
01:52:14,520 --> 01:52:16,520
Speaker 2: the Scalabrini ten.

2337
01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:22,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna go with the nine to one one.

2338
01:52:22,360 --> 01:52:23,320
Speaker 1: I'll take a nine one.

2339
01:52:23,520 --> 01:52:25,240
Speaker 3: I think I was wild here before I knew what

2340
01:52:25,240 --> 01:52:31,080
Speaker 3: we were calling.

2341
01:52:32,400 --> 01:52:36,680
Speaker 1: Lord to be a guy like me from where I

2342
01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:39,240
Speaker 1: came from, to have a fucking game named after him,

2343
01:52:39,320 --> 01:52:44,479
Speaker 1: I know, I know I was wrong. Starts this before

2344
01:52:44,520 --> 01:52:44,960
Speaker 1: we did.

2345
01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:46,920
Speaker 5: The Jack four, I had a five point five. I

2346
01:52:46,960 --> 01:52:48,280
Speaker 5: stand by my five point five.

2347
01:52:48,479 --> 01:52:49,160
Speaker 1: I don't even know the.

2348
01:52:50,920 --> 01:52:53,320
Speaker 10: Likely it is to have a game named after you

2349
01:52:53,360 --> 01:52:54,800
Speaker 10: when you're coming, when you're me.

2350
01:52:56,320 --> 01:52:59,080
Speaker 1: It's like it'd be like a street named after one

2351
01:52:59,080 --> 01:53:00,000
Speaker 1: of you. Motherfuckers.

2352
01:53:00,040 --> 01:53:04,040
Speaker 10: Man, I'm gonna be like, yo, you know what, I'm

2353
01:53:04,040 --> 01:53:05,160
Speaker 10: gonna give that ship a three.

2354
01:53:05,800 --> 01:53:07,679
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Tyler street breaking.

2355
01:53:09,439 --> 01:53:15,919
Speaker 7: I'm just saying, like, oh, Lebron came Tad, Come on, man.

2356
01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:20,240
Speaker 1: And I'm usually a glazer. Oh I'm sorry, I should be.

2357
01:53:20,439 --> 01:53:28,120
Speaker 10: Everyone else change Come on, Jack, I mean you understand

2358
01:53:29,320 --> 01:53:33,000
Speaker 10: of something like that happening, like you've.

2359
01:53:32,880 --> 01:53:35,040
Speaker 1: Got a better chance being struck by lightning. I didn't

2360
01:53:35,040 --> 01:53:36,680
Speaker 1: think of the nickname. I'm sorry. I screwed up.

2361
01:53:36,880 --> 01:53:39,960
Speaker 8: Okay, but this is cultural and this is gaze with

2362
01:53:40,760 --> 01:53:42,200
Speaker 8: you're up against.

2363
01:53:42,640 --> 01:53:45,000
Speaker 1: When you guys fucking watch you actually thought you can

2364
01:53:45,040 --> 01:53:47,040
Speaker 1: do it because you saw me do it. You don't

2365
01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:50,040
Speaker 1: think that when you watch Lebron, you don't think you

2366
01:53:50,200 --> 01:53:53,040
Speaker 1: see me. And I give hope to fucking millions of kids,

2367
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:55,120
Speaker 1: show them where it stands on.

2368
01:53:55,200 --> 01:53:56,559
Speaker 5: So you're an eight point one two?

2369
01:53:56,640 --> 01:53:58,680
Speaker 1: Now that Jack eight point one two? Where does that

2370
01:53:58,760 --> 01:54:00,400
Speaker 1: stack up in all the games we've done?

2371
01:54:00,479 --> 01:54:03,400
Speaker 11: It is right beat right above kuld Bee versus mcgreor

2372
01:54:03,640 --> 01:54:06,880
Speaker 11: McGregor u f C twenty nine one, right below the

2373
01:54:06,880 --> 01:54:09,439
Speaker 11: two thousand and seven Western Conference Playoffs Game six Mas

2374
01:54:09,520 --> 01:54:12,880
Speaker 11: versus Warriors, and just below two thousand eleven NBA Finals

2375
01:54:12,920 --> 01:54:14,200
Speaker 11: Game six Mavericks versus Heat.

2376
01:54:14,240 --> 01:54:17,439
Speaker 5: So it's a good company where you're right here. Okay,

2377
01:54:17,840 --> 01:54:18,799
Speaker 5: eight point one two.

2378
01:54:18,640 --> 01:54:21,880
Speaker 1: Final MAVs Heat. That was a nasty ass game. That

2379
01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:24,439
Speaker 1: was really good. Wow, that was real star power too.

2380
01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:27,920
Speaker 1: Then you have super Bowl, you have could the could

2381
01:54:27,960 --> 01:54:31,400
Speaker 1: be fight and Greg McGregor kuld bev McGregor that where

2382
01:54:31,439 --> 01:54:34,840
Speaker 1: he broke his leg. No, that's when McGregor lost.

2383
01:54:34,880 --> 01:54:40,200
Speaker 2: To remember that was with like the crazy like pre

2384
01:54:40,320 --> 01:54:44,240
Speaker 2: fight ship where they broke the bus and window.

2385
01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:50,080
Speaker 1: Okay, finals, first Piston Championship. All right, that's good. That's

2386
01:54:50,080 --> 01:54:54,000
Speaker 1: a good score, very good score. That's good, very good school.

2387
01:54:54,280 --> 01:54:56,320
Speaker 1: And what do they call me? If anyone have a name?

2388
01:54:56,520 --> 01:55:00,880
Speaker 1: The butler? Oh that actually? Super Bowl? Yeah?

2389
01:55:00,920 --> 01:55:02,880
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, a lot of these don't really have names,

2390
01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:04,320
Speaker 3: which is these are we have?

2391
01:55:04,400 --> 01:55:06,400
Speaker 8: We do two different types of names. This is the

2392
01:55:06,480 --> 01:55:09,960
Speaker 8: government names, which is like the two thousand and four

2393
01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:11,280
Speaker 8: ALCS game for you.

2394
01:55:12,160 --> 01:55:14,600
Speaker 1: But then the quotes is some of the names. But

2395
01:55:14,640 --> 01:55:15,840
Speaker 1: what is the millennial?

2396
01:55:16,640 --> 01:55:21,240
Speaker 8: Millennium waved the heaviest wave of all time in two thousand.

2397
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:24,320
Speaker 5: He needs some crazy storm. He's riding like a seventy

2398
01:55:24,320 --> 01:55:25,200
Speaker 5: foot wave. It's just like.

2399
01:55:26,680 --> 01:55:31,080
Speaker 1: Crazy crazy you and like you run from people. But

2400
01:55:31,160 --> 01:55:32,760
Speaker 1: can you imagine fucking up and dying?

2401
01:55:33,000 --> 01:55:37,480
Speaker 2: Like no, I can't either that That wave, like the

2402
01:55:37,600 --> 01:55:41,080
Speaker 2: coral is like five ft under you, So if you

2403
01:55:41,120 --> 01:55:43,640
Speaker 2: get hit by the wave, you're dead.

2404
01:55:43,800 --> 01:55:47,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just can't imagine. Like when you watch all

2405
01:55:47,240 --> 01:55:49,640
Speaker 1: that stuff, you just put it in perspective, Like, dude,

2406
01:55:49,680 --> 01:55:52,160
Speaker 1: if I messed up, I just get benched. Yeah, like

2407
01:55:52,400 --> 01:55:56,440
Speaker 1: maybe I lose my job. Maybe, But we're talking death death.

2408
01:55:56,640 --> 01:56:00,280
Speaker 1: That's crazy. They're missing something. Wow, scout, we missed anything?

2409
01:56:00,360 --> 01:56:02,080
Speaker 1: Ye one thing. One thing. I'll tell you. There's the

2410
01:56:02,120 --> 01:56:06,360
Speaker 1: funniest shit with Rasheh Wallace. So I get checked in

2411
01:56:06,360 --> 01:56:08,240
Speaker 1: the game in the first half. And this is like

2412
01:56:08,320 --> 01:56:10,000
Speaker 1: to give you an example of forra Shehe Wallace and

2413
01:56:10,040 --> 01:56:12,200
Speaker 1: how good he is. He gets the ball in the

2414
01:56:12,200 --> 01:56:14,120
Speaker 1: post and I'm right behind him in the post. He

2415
01:56:14,200 --> 01:56:17,000
Speaker 1: takes the ball. He looked and he sees me guarding him.

2416
01:56:17,240 --> 01:56:20,240
Speaker 1: He looks at the bench. He yells at the coach,

2417
01:56:20,760 --> 01:56:25,760
Speaker 1: y'all put this motherfucker on me. And then he and

2418
01:56:25,800 --> 01:56:28,560
Speaker 1: then he and I'm thinking to myself like, man, fuck

2419
01:56:28,640 --> 01:56:32,080
Speaker 1: this dude, right and he goes wow wow, and he

2420
01:56:32,120 --> 01:56:34,320
Speaker 1: goes into the fade away. I jumped as high as

2421
01:56:34,360 --> 01:56:36,600
Speaker 1: I could to contest it. I thought I was gonna

2422
01:56:36,600 --> 01:56:41,560
Speaker 1: block it. He just puts right over me. Man. Yeah,

2423
01:56:41,920 --> 01:56:46,400
Speaker 1: I felt I felt tiny at that point, like insignificant.

2424
01:56:46,440 --> 01:56:48,320
Speaker 1: But I got a bucket in the first half, which

2425
01:56:48,360 --> 01:56:50,320
Speaker 1: I think help me carry over to the second half.

2426
01:56:50,320 --> 01:56:52,720
Speaker 1: But like when he said that to the bench, oh

2427
01:56:52,760 --> 01:56:56,160
Speaker 1: my gosh, it was so bad. Come on, you never

2428
01:56:56,200 --> 01:56:59,320
Speaker 1: went to the sideline, looked at the defensive coordinator be

2429
01:56:59,400 --> 01:57:04,080
Speaker 1: like this, motherfuck, I have no way. Y'all got it

2430
01:57:04,120 --> 01:57:06,680
Speaker 1: before I run this route, y'all gotta change your matchup.

2431
01:57:07,440 --> 01:57:09,600
Speaker 1: I just look. I would just say to this you

2432
01:57:09,720 --> 01:57:13,640
Speaker 1: got no shot. He's just like, nah, you're just not equipped.

2433
01:57:14,680 --> 01:57:17,920
Speaker 2: Especially I'm gonna go there. I remember when they would

2434
01:57:17,960 --> 01:57:21,720
Speaker 2: put Jimmy Leonard or there was another safety of white safety.

2435
01:57:21,800 --> 01:57:27,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, I can't put a white guy. That's fucking racist.

2436
01:57:27,520 --> 01:57:31,640
Speaker 1: No, Like no, like when I when I got when

2437
01:57:31,640 --> 01:57:33,600
Speaker 1: I got out and people wanted to challenge me one

2438
01:57:33,640 --> 01:57:35,200
Speaker 1: on one. I'm like, yo, man, if you're white, you

2439
01:57:35,200 --> 01:57:37,880
Speaker 1: ain't beating me, dude. But if if you if you're

2440
01:57:37,920 --> 01:57:40,200
Speaker 1: not a pro, if you're not a pro and you're white,

2441
01:57:40,240 --> 01:57:42,920
Speaker 1: you one hundred percent ain't beating me. If you're a brother,

2442
01:57:43,080 --> 01:57:45,600
Speaker 1: you might beat me. I doubt you'll beat me, but

2443
01:57:45,720 --> 01:57:53,160
Speaker 1: you have a chance. Oh my gosh, it's true. Man, Like, listen,

2444
01:57:53,240 --> 01:57:54,920
Speaker 1: it is what it is. I know, I know it

2445
01:57:55,000 --> 01:57:57,360
Speaker 1: sounds weird coming from two white guys, but that's.

2446
01:57:57,160 --> 01:57:57,760
Speaker 5: How we think.

2447
01:57:57,840 --> 01:58:01,640
Speaker 1: That's how we think. I mean, I guess Dominique told

2448
01:58:01,640 --> 01:58:03,880
Speaker 1: me this story one time about Larry Bird. And there's

2449
01:58:03,920 --> 01:58:07,520
Speaker 1: this guy named John Contact. Right, So Larry Bird got

2450
01:58:07,560 --> 01:58:11,720
Speaker 1: the ball and he really wanted Dominique to guard him.

2451
01:58:11,960 --> 01:58:13,960
Speaker 1: So I guess, I guess this is the story. I

2452
01:58:13,960 --> 01:58:16,200
Speaker 1: haven't seen it, but this is the story. So Larry

2453
01:58:16,200 --> 01:58:18,520
Speaker 1: got the ball against John Contact and he's like, look

2454
01:58:18,600 --> 01:58:20,760
Speaker 1: through the coach. He's like, you went with him on

2455
01:58:20,800 --> 01:58:23,440
Speaker 1: this matchup, And I guess Larry Bird just dropped the

2456
01:58:23,440 --> 01:58:25,200
Speaker 1: ball and said, man, I don't even want this shit.

2457
01:58:29,960 --> 01:58:32,600
Speaker 1: But the rumor is he just dropped it like that's

2458
01:58:32,600 --> 01:58:34,720
Speaker 1: a waste of my time and he just ran back

2459
01:58:35,160 --> 01:58:37,720
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I guess John Contact was

2460
01:58:37,800 --> 01:58:38,600
Speaker 1: shook by it.

2461
01:58:38,640 --> 01:58:45,879
Speaker 2: Man, basketball man, the guys, Larry bro Larry Legend, fucking

2462
01:58:45,960 --> 01:58:46,919
Speaker 2: Larry the Legend.

2463
01:58:47,160 --> 01:58:49,440
Speaker 1: I love I getting wormholes watching him. He's a beast.

2464
01:58:49,560 --> 01:58:51,720
Speaker 2: Just his shit talking or the stories about him when

2465
01:58:51,760 --> 01:58:53,640
Speaker 2: he just played one whole half left handed.

2466
01:58:53,760 --> 01:58:58,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's like the injury thing. And by the way,

2467
01:58:58,880 --> 01:59:01,040
Speaker 1: a lot of times and why the white guys aren't

2468
01:59:01,040 --> 01:59:03,040
Speaker 1: that goods. Their bodies just can't keep up. You know

2469
01:59:03,160 --> 01:59:08,040
Speaker 1: that surely is. But he was nasty, but like talking

2470
01:59:08,040 --> 01:59:11,040
Speaker 1: about it's just living at that that life. Man, it's

2471
01:59:11,080 --> 01:59:15,360
Speaker 1: hard man every day. But but you get I'll put

2472
01:59:15,400 --> 01:59:18,160
Speaker 1: his three seasons. You could. I don't care who you

2473
01:59:18,160 --> 01:59:20,720
Speaker 1: want to put against Jordan. You want to bring Lebron,

2474
01:59:20,760 --> 01:59:24,880
Speaker 1: And I'll take Larry Bird's triple MVPs against any three

2475
01:59:24,920 --> 01:59:28,800
Speaker 1: seasons out there, any three seasons, because the dude was

2476
01:59:29,480 --> 01:59:32,040
Speaker 1: thirty ten and eight back in the day when it

2477
01:59:32,080 --> 01:59:34,400
Speaker 1: was hard to get thirty ten and eight. Yeah, I

2478
01:59:34,440 --> 01:59:37,440
Speaker 1: don't know the game that well to throw that out there.

2479
01:59:37,440 --> 01:59:40,560
Speaker 1: He has three MVP The one guy that's coming closest

2480
01:59:40,560 --> 01:59:43,840
Speaker 1: to Kolea Jokic like Loki, you know, like low key.

2481
01:59:43,960 --> 01:59:46,240
Speaker 1: He's kind of like just keeps dominating the NBA.

2482
01:59:46,400 --> 01:59:48,360
Speaker 2: But he doesn't even like he didn't even look like

2483
01:59:48,360 --> 01:59:50,480
Speaker 2: he likes basketball. He just goes out here just to

2484
01:59:50,520 --> 01:59:52,800
Speaker 2: play it. I like it though, Yeah, you know what

2485
01:59:52,840 --> 01:59:55,520
Speaker 2: I mean? You like yeah, scot.

2486
01:59:55,280 --> 01:59:58,400
Speaker 1: You want to plug anything? Plug anything? You got anything?

2487
01:59:58,440 --> 02:00:00,200
Speaker 1: What are you working? Yeah? You guys, just follow me

2488
02:00:00,240 --> 02:00:03,040
Speaker 1: on Instagram at White Mamba. You see a lot of

2489
02:00:03,040 --> 02:00:06,680
Speaker 1: me coaching little kids and like just kind of helping

2490
02:00:06,720 --> 02:00:09,200
Speaker 1: kids and paying it forward. That's my thing now. Like

2491
02:00:09,920 --> 02:00:13,520
Speaker 1: I was super blessed to be have great coaches growing up,

2492
02:00:13,600 --> 02:00:15,040
Speaker 1: and I know I don't make it if it's not

2493
02:00:15,080 --> 02:00:18,360
Speaker 1: for those great people. And now I'm just trying to

2494
02:00:18,360 --> 02:00:21,879
Speaker 1: help other kids out. So if you guys follow the kids,

2495
02:00:22,320 --> 02:00:24,040
Speaker 1: you know you see them or just come out and

2496
02:00:24,880 --> 02:00:26,280
Speaker 1: you know, if you ever see us out and about

2497
02:00:26,360 --> 02:00:29,160
Speaker 1: come say what's up? That's what's up? Man. We appreciate

2498
02:00:29,200 --> 02:00:30,360
Speaker 1: you coming on. This was fun.

2499
02:00:30,400 --> 02:00:30,520
Speaker 4: Man.

2500
02:00:30,640 --> 02:00:36,200
Speaker 1: It was awesome for going two hours. But I I

2501
02:00:36,760 --> 02:00:39,040
Speaker 1: really appreciate you having me on. And I just always

2502
02:00:39,080 --> 02:00:40,920
Speaker 1: like to like chop it up with other people and

2503
02:00:41,880 --> 02:00:42,839
Speaker 1: my different walks.

2504
02:00:42,600 --> 02:00:48,520
Speaker 2: So you know we we we shared this cool town together. Sure,

2505
02:00:48,800 --> 02:00:51,040
Speaker 2: and that that's such a cool you know, get to

2506
02:00:51,080 --> 02:00:54,760
Speaker 2: hear your perspective of your stories and you know, to

2507
02:00:54,800 --> 02:00:56,880
Speaker 2: have that common ground where we played for this city

2508
02:00:56,880 --> 02:00:59,040
Speaker 2: which is such a magical cool city. This is a

2509
02:00:59,040 --> 02:01:01,920
Speaker 2: really cool city. Every time I come back, you know,

2510
02:01:02,000 --> 02:01:03,920
Speaker 2: like I live in La right now, but when you

2511
02:01:03,960 --> 02:01:04,560
Speaker 2: come back, it.

2512
02:01:04,520 --> 02:01:06,400
Speaker 1: Feels like home. Oh yeah, you know what I mean.

2513
02:01:07,160 --> 02:01:09,840
Speaker 8: That's that was our best scoring section ever? Was that

2514
02:01:09,880 --> 02:01:11,200
Speaker 8: was our best scoring segment ever?

2515
02:01:11,400 --> 02:01:11,600
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2516
02:01:11,600 --> 02:01:13,760
Speaker 5: If people just like ten ten ten or like lo lo.

2517
02:01:13,800 --> 02:01:15,840
Speaker 2: Bit like you had, you had a real integrity type

2518
02:01:15,840 --> 02:01:18,680
Speaker 2: score Matthew Slater type score, Matthew Slater style score.

2519
02:01:18,800 --> 02:01:20,560
Speaker 1: I needed to be called out and I'm glad Scout

2520
02:01:20,640 --> 02:01:21,320
Speaker 1: was the guy to do it.

2521
02:01:24,280 --> 02:01:27,200
Speaker 5: Man, Old Scal was the assignment.

2522
02:01:27,400 --> 02:01:30,160
Speaker 3: From the second he walked in. Scal brought the energy,

2523
02:01:30,440 --> 02:01:32,160
Speaker 3: he brought the heat. That was incredible.

2524
02:01:32,560 --> 02:01:34,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm interested to see I want to go check

2525
02:01:34,960 --> 02:01:36,400
Speaker 2: out his AAU basketball team.

2526
02:01:36,440 --> 02:01:37,720
Speaker 3: Oh my god, me too. I want to see Scal

2527
02:01:37,800 --> 02:01:40,640
Speaker 3: the coach. I want to see Scal the bronck. Scott

2528
02:01:40,720 --> 02:01:42,040
Speaker 3: can do it all, man, he.

2529
02:01:42,040 --> 02:01:43,280
Speaker 1: Really is just a lovable guy.

2530
02:01:43,360 --> 02:01:45,000
Speaker 5: I just want to see you one on one on him.

2531
02:01:45,320 --> 02:01:47,880
Speaker 1: He's six ' ten. I think I could take him.

2532
02:01:47,920 --> 02:01:53,560
Speaker 1: I think you got that quickness, brother, you'd be able

2533
02:01:53,560 --> 02:01:54,560
Speaker 1: to cut me off. Man.

2534
02:01:54,640 --> 02:01:57,280
Speaker 2: That was fun. That was a really good episode. It

2535
02:01:57,360 --> 02:02:01,040
Speaker 2: was cool to go over and uh so much crossover.

2536
02:02:01,480 --> 02:02:03,880
Speaker 2: And I haven't really got to sit down with Scowl

2537
02:02:03,960 --> 02:02:05,880
Speaker 2: and talk. That was like our first time really talking.

2538
02:02:05,920 --> 02:02:07,600
Speaker 2: Like we we see each I've seen him at a

2539
02:02:07,640 --> 02:02:11,200
Speaker 2: Celtics game. We'll dap each other up and everything, but

2540
02:02:11,520 --> 02:02:13,680
Speaker 2: I've never got to like really sit and talk to him.

2541
02:02:13,680 --> 02:02:16,760
Speaker 2: He's a He's an engaging guy, really good.

2542
02:02:16,600 --> 02:02:19,920
Speaker 8: Storyteller, too awesome storyte And finally we get a guest

2543
02:02:19,960 --> 02:02:23,839
Speaker 8: that like jumps in with scoring, good scoring.

2544
02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:25,200
Speaker 5: He really was a man.

2545
02:02:25,280 --> 02:02:28,320
Speaker 2: You know, time it is boysline glean, time to hit

2546
02:02:28,360 --> 02:02:31,200
Speaker 2: the old hot line. Let's see it again, guys. That

2547
02:02:31,320 --> 02:02:33,640
Speaker 2: number is four two four two nine one two two

2548
02:02:33,760 --> 02:02:36,320
Speaker 2: nine zero bang our line.

2549
02:02:36,960 --> 02:02:38,240
Speaker 1: Julian Edelman.

2550
02:02:39,880 --> 02:02:44,360
Speaker 4: John down here in Oklahoma, high school teacher and soccer coach,

2551
02:02:44,840 --> 02:02:47,360
Speaker 4: soccer coach blowing the greens for the summer time because

2552
02:02:47,560 --> 02:02:48,320
Speaker 4: wait till time.

2553
02:02:49,480 --> 02:02:51,240
Speaker 1: The truest iron man of.

2554
02:02:51,240 --> 02:02:54,480
Speaker 12: The NFL just got done listening to a podcast where

2555
02:02:54,480 --> 02:02:55,360
Speaker 12: you're talking about the.

2556
02:02:55,240 --> 02:02:57,879
Speaker 4: PDR and who do who do interview?

2557
02:02:58,600 --> 02:03:02,200
Speaker 1: You need to interview JB. Mooney. It's n A U

2558
02:03:02,360 --> 02:03:05,640
Speaker 1: N e Y, the truest iron man of the TDR.

2559
02:03:06,240 --> 02:03:10,960
Speaker 4: His story is amazing. I love you guys. Thanks someone that's.

2560
02:03:10,920 --> 02:03:12,080
Speaker 1: Bull riding right right. Yeah.

2561
02:03:12,200 --> 02:03:14,480
Speaker 3: The people love falling in and they want us to

2562
02:03:14,480 --> 02:03:15,600
Speaker 3: be some bull riding guys.

2563
02:03:15,960 --> 02:03:18,600
Speaker 2: I would love to go see these jokers and I

2564
02:03:18,640 --> 02:03:20,480
Speaker 2: want to talk you got Yeah, that'd be fun to

2565
02:03:20,520 --> 02:03:22,280
Speaker 2: interview one of those fucking crazy dudes.

2566
02:03:22,360 --> 02:03:22,800
Speaker 1: I'm down.

2567
02:03:22,840 --> 02:03:26,760
Speaker 8: Bro Lard was like competing against water, these guys compete

2568
02:03:26,800 --> 02:03:28,560
Speaker 8: against bulls.

2569
02:03:29,040 --> 02:03:31,120
Speaker 3: Wow, let me get down there. Let me be the

2570
02:03:31,160 --> 02:03:33,640
Speaker 3: rodeo climb for the day. Come on, now, let's do it.

2571
02:03:34,160 --> 02:03:36,880
Speaker 3: Mutt and busting dude, Mutton busting.

2572
02:03:37,040 --> 02:03:40,640
Speaker 2: Scott Eastwood once. I don't know if he invited me

2573
02:03:40,720 --> 02:03:42,600
Speaker 2: or told me he was going to the PBR in

2574
02:03:42,760 --> 02:03:43,440
Speaker 2: l A.

2575
02:03:44,920 --> 02:03:46,640
Speaker 1: But I was like, what the fuck's PVR.

2576
02:03:46,720 --> 02:03:49,720
Speaker 3: He's like, dude's pro writing bull or pro bullriting. Yeah,

2577
02:03:49,720 --> 02:03:51,600
Speaker 3: pro bul right, they got nationwide.

2578
02:03:51,720 --> 02:03:52,920
Speaker 1: It's it's a big thing. See.

2579
02:03:52,960 --> 02:03:54,600
Speaker 3: I want to go to Texas. I want to steal

2580
02:03:54,600 --> 02:03:56,520
Speaker 3: some Texas valor. I want to wear the I want

2581
02:03:56,520 --> 02:03:58,560
Speaker 3: to wear the hat. I want the belt buckle, you

2582
02:03:59,160 --> 02:04:01,360
Speaker 3: tay guy dole shoe us, the ropes.

2583
02:04:02,040 --> 02:04:03,200
Speaker 1: I want to do it up. I want to do

2584
02:04:03,200 --> 02:04:06,600
Speaker 1: it right. I wanted the whole shebanga bang. Let's do it. Hell, yes,

2585
02:04:06,760 --> 02:04:08,320
Speaker 1: let's do it. JB Money, all right.

2586
02:04:08,480 --> 02:04:11,320
Speaker 8: JB Mooney, we gotta we gotta start fishing for him online.

2587
02:04:11,720 --> 02:04:14,160
Speaker 5: We'll follow him on social all right, fans help us out.

2588
02:04:14,200 --> 02:04:18,040
Speaker 12: All right, hey, Jules stand from Rhode Island.

2589
02:04:18,840 --> 02:04:19,560
Speaker 1: Now that you've.

2590
02:04:19,360 --> 02:04:24,560
Speaker 12: Gotten uh spurge Ernie and some of the support staff

2591
02:04:24,600 --> 02:04:29,400
Speaker 12: on trying to break into the training room and get

2592
02:04:29,520 --> 02:04:30,760
Speaker 12: jimbo Whalen.

2593
02:04:32,480 --> 02:04:40,520
Speaker 2: Allen, Jim Whalen or Joe Van Allen bro deep cut. Wow,

2594
02:04:40,640 --> 02:04:43,840
Speaker 2: they have, I mean, they got some stories. I don't

2595
02:04:43,880 --> 02:04:48,000
Speaker 2: think they would open up bybe She's scared, dude.

2596
02:04:48,120 --> 02:04:49,120
Speaker 1: This is a real deal, Pats.

2597
02:04:49,800 --> 02:04:51,160
Speaker 5: This sounds like an inside job.

2598
02:04:51,280 --> 02:04:53,800
Speaker 1: Inside job by someone in there. But that makes sense.

2599
02:04:54,960 --> 02:04:57,800
Speaker 2: I think inside Jim lives in Rhode Island, and I'm

2600
02:04:57,800 --> 02:05:00,880
Speaker 2: pretty sure I think Joda's.

2601
02:05:00,520 --> 02:05:04,120
Speaker 1: Too interesting interesting because.

2602
02:05:03,880 --> 02:05:05,920
Speaker 2: I used to go to one of I used to

2603
02:05:05,960 --> 02:05:10,040
Speaker 2: go to Joe Joe's little son's hockey games.

2604
02:05:10,360 --> 02:05:12,520
Speaker 5: What a guy won socket.

2605
02:05:12,240 --> 02:05:18,600
Speaker 3: Support, but hockey rink a lot of a lot of

2606
02:05:18,960 --> 02:05:20,400
Speaker 3: What kind of guy were you in the training room?

2607
02:05:21,080 --> 02:05:24,160
Speaker 1: What kind of guy was I in them? Now? What

2608
02:05:24,320 --> 02:05:25,040
Speaker 1: year are we talking?

2609
02:05:25,160 --> 02:05:30,400
Speaker 3: We're talking prime. We're talking prime. Uh like winning? You

2610
02:05:30,400 --> 02:05:33,440
Speaker 3: already got one super Bowl into your belt, Like, heyday baby.

2611
02:05:33,600 --> 02:05:39,640
Speaker 2: Probably pretty needy, Probably pretty needy. Hey, those guys are

2612
02:05:39,640 --> 02:05:42,000
Speaker 2: the best. They put up with me, and they a

2613
02:05:42,080 --> 02:05:46,080
Speaker 2: lot of the times they the trainers act like psychologists.

2614
02:05:46,560 --> 02:05:47,760
Speaker 2: I could see you know what I mean, You're on

2615
02:05:47,800 --> 02:05:50,960
Speaker 2: the table and you're you're beat up. You know, the

2616
02:05:51,000 --> 02:05:54,840
Speaker 2: medical staff and the training staff that we had, you know,

2617
02:05:55,000 --> 02:05:57,920
Speaker 2: like you're bitching to them. They're just taking it. They're

2618
02:05:57,960 --> 02:06:01,280
Speaker 2: listening to everything. I mean, they're they're great dudes. I

2619
02:06:01,320 --> 02:06:03,280
Speaker 2: was probably very needy though, I feel that.

2620
02:06:04,600 --> 02:06:08,040
Speaker 5: Sorry, guys, takes a village baby, all last one here.

2621
02:06:08,880 --> 02:06:12,880
Speaker 4: Hey, this is Carrie from Virginia. You guys, hands down

2622
02:06:12,920 --> 02:06:16,280
Speaker 4: have the best sports podcast. You're the ones that deserve

2623
02:06:16,800 --> 02:06:20,640
Speaker 4: a nine figure deal. Somebody ought to give that to you.

2624
02:06:21,120 --> 02:06:23,560
Speaker 9: But a name a game that I'd love for you

2625
02:06:23,600 --> 02:06:27,960
Speaker 9: to do thank you is the Onto Cincinnati game where

2626
02:06:28,000 --> 02:06:32,440
Speaker 9: the Chiefs whooped up on the Patriots on September twenty ninth,

2627
02:06:33,080 --> 02:06:37,040
Speaker 9: twenty fourteen. Because I believe the backlash from that game

2628
02:06:37,160 --> 02:06:41,200
Speaker 9: spurred on the Second Dynasty. I would love to have

2629
02:06:41,280 --> 02:06:43,839
Speaker 9: maybe Alex Smith cover that game.

2630
02:06:44,320 --> 02:06:46,480
Speaker 4: I think that'd be a really interesting game to cover.

2631
02:06:46,960 --> 02:06:48,240
Speaker 4: Thanks Bett.

2632
02:06:49,040 --> 02:06:50,919
Speaker 1: What's her name, Carrie, Carrie from Virginia.

2633
02:06:51,480 --> 02:06:53,920
Speaker 2: That's it'd be a fun game to go over. Really

2634
02:06:54,120 --> 02:06:57,280
Speaker 2: ripple effects of that game, seriously, And it'd be cool

2635
02:06:57,280 --> 02:06:58,960
Speaker 2: to have Alex Smith to come on here and I

2636
02:06:59,440 --> 02:07:02,200
Speaker 2: got a couple of bones to pick with him.

2637
02:07:02,600 --> 02:07:05,400
Speaker 1: I heard a couple of his takes on NFL Prime coming.

2638
02:07:05,200 --> 02:07:07,200
Speaker 3: On here and plug his UFO Sandals. He said, their

2639
02:07:07,240 --> 02:07:13,440
Speaker 3: life changing UFO. You know those giants. He's promoting those

2640
02:07:13,440 --> 02:07:16,200
Speaker 3: big vix sandals. I haven't seen him, maybe I do

2641
02:07:16,360 --> 02:07:17,840
Speaker 3: have recoveries.

2642
02:07:17,320 --> 02:07:19,960
Speaker 1: And he said they changed his life. That's interesting. He's

2643
02:07:19,960 --> 02:07:20,720
Speaker 1: a stud man.

2644
02:07:21,160 --> 02:07:23,880
Speaker 2: I will give it to Alex Smith the you know,

2645
02:07:24,640 --> 02:07:27,880
Speaker 2: not just his injury thing that he went through, but

2646
02:07:28,200 --> 02:07:30,880
Speaker 2: the second career he had after I grew up in

2647
02:07:30,880 --> 02:07:32,840
Speaker 2: the Niners, when they drafted him number one overall, we

2648
02:07:32,840 --> 02:07:34,880
Speaker 2: thought he was a bust. I thought he was a joke,

2649
02:07:35,320 --> 02:07:38,720
Speaker 2: you know, and then turned it around and started playing

2650
02:07:38,720 --> 02:07:41,800
Speaker 2: pretty good and then he you know, got got paid

2651
02:07:41,880 --> 02:07:44,160
Speaker 2: and did well in Kansas City. Was he was a

2652
02:07:44,200 --> 02:07:48,160
Speaker 2: good good quarterback, you know he from what he started.

2653
02:07:48,880 --> 02:07:51,360
Speaker 2: I mean they also had nothing in San Francisco. They

2654
02:07:51,880 --> 02:07:54,440
Speaker 2: just it was bad. I forgot about that era.

2655
02:07:54,600 --> 02:07:57,640
Speaker 1: That era was bad. It was post Jeff Garcia. I think,

2656
02:07:58,280 --> 02:07:59,640
Speaker 1: oh yeah, and.

2657
02:07:59,600 --> 02:08:01,480
Speaker 2: They were you're still kind of we weren't like good

2658
02:08:01,600 --> 02:08:05,400
Speaker 2: then the Niners, but we were like competitive enough to

2659
02:08:05,400 --> 02:08:09,800
Speaker 2: get to like the wild card. Maybe we lose the

2660
02:08:09,840 --> 02:08:12,360
Speaker 2: Green Bay all the time in the fucking divisional round.

2661
02:08:12,680 --> 02:08:14,640
Speaker 1: That was like, was that like Brandon Lloyd was there.

2662
02:08:15,160 --> 02:08:18,640
Speaker 3: B Lloyd was probably with Alex Smith, right, I thought,

2663
02:08:18,680 --> 02:08:20,080
Speaker 3: I thought that was kind of his only guy.

2664
02:08:20,520 --> 02:08:22,400
Speaker 2: I went to the game where b Lloyd had that

2665
02:08:22,480 --> 02:08:25,440
Speaker 2: crazy catch. I think it was a preseason game.

2666
02:08:25,680 --> 02:08:27,480
Speaker 1: I think of that catch probably like once a month.

2667
02:08:27,600 --> 02:08:28,760
Speaker 1: We went backhand on there.

2668
02:08:28,880 --> 02:08:30,880
Speaker 3: It's insane. It pops up on my Instagram. I share

2669
02:08:30,880 --> 02:08:31,640
Speaker 3: it with you every time.

2670
02:08:31,720 --> 02:08:34,720
Speaker 2: I still remember a story about bu Lloyd. He got

2671
02:08:34,720 --> 02:08:39,160
Speaker 2: this sick Porsche delivered to the stadium nice like insane.

2672
02:08:39,200 --> 02:08:42,000
Speaker 2: It was like one of those specialty Porsches. It had

2673
02:08:42,040 --> 02:08:43,880
Speaker 2: a big wing on the back like it's like a

2674
02:08:43,960 --> 02:08:46,600
Speaker 2: race Porsche and I go, man, things sick.

2675
02:08:46,640 --> 02:08:49,920
Speaker 1: He goes, Nah, this shit sucks. I go, what are

2676
02:08:49,920 --> 02:08:50,440
Speaker 1: you talking about?

2677
02:08:50,480 --> 02:08:54,400
Speaker 2: He goes that Finn looks terrible, Like I'm like, what

2678
02:08:54,440 --> 02:08:54,880
Speaker 2: are you gonna do?

2679
02:08:54,920 --> 02:08:56,960
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm I sent it back. They're gonna take

2680
02:08:56,960 --> 02:08:57,880
Speaker 1: the goddamn fin off.

2681
02:08:59,080 --> 02:09:01,240
Speaker 5: It sounds like me after an episode, Oh my.

2682
02:09:01,120 --> 02:09:04,480
Speaker 1: God, Brandon Lloyd a high standard, high standing top gear.

2683
02:09:04,520 --> 02:09:07,120
Speaker 2: Brandon, I don't understand why you ordered that one then,

2684
02:09:08,040 --> 02:09:09,280
Speaker 2: like I gotta get the story on it.

2685
02:09:09,320 --> 02:09:10,640
Speaker 1: I loved b Lloyd. He was fun.

2686
02:09:10,680 --> 02:09:12,040
Speaker 3: I like the idea of like it's like you order

2687
02:09:12,120 --> 02:09:13,840
Speaker 3: something from Amazon's like, it doesn't really fit.

2688
02:09:13,880 --> 02:09:18,680
Speaker 1: I hate this, like I'll take you by us. It sucks.

2689
02:09:18,920 --> 02:09:21,240
Speaker 2: I don't know what it was that, but yeah, I

2690
02:09:21,280 --> 02:09:25,280
Speaker 2: remember he's like, I hate the fit, Like what it's

2691
02:09:25,320 --> 02:09:27,040
Speaker 2: a Porsche race Porsche.

2692
02:09:27,480 --> 02:09:30,160
Speaker 1: Brandon. What a beast bro he was. I learned a

2693
02:09:30,160 --> 02:09:30,720
Speaker 1: lot from him.

2694
02:09:30,880 --> 02:09:35,880
Speaker 8: I love to ask Alex Smith about Urban Meyer in Utah.

2695
02:09:34,920 --> 02:09:41,760
Speaker 13: Oh yeah, cut old Urban before he got those headaches,

2696
02:09:41,800 --> 02:09:44,920
Speaker 13: Old Urban before he was hanging out with the co

2697
02:09:45,120 --> 02:09:47,000
Speaker 13: ed's up in Ohio, stayed at the bar.

2698
02:09:47,440 --> 02:09:51,440
Speaker 1: Old Urban is that Columbus I hear.

2699
02:09:51,760 --> 02:09:55,080
Speaker 3: I believe so old Urban said, you guys go home,

2700
02:09:55,200 --> 02:09:57,800
Speaker 3: back to Jacksonville, hang around for a day or two.

2701
02:09:57,680 --> 02:10:04,000
Speaker 1: O business to it didn't too man.

2702
02:10:04,000 --> 02:10:07,800
Speaker 3: I'm just I've never heard a coach not go back

2703
02:10:07,800 --> 02:10:10,080
Speaker 3: with the team, you can say, except Bill Parcells after

2704
02:10:10,080 --> 02:10:10,560
Speaker 3: the super Bowl.

2705
02:10:10,560 --> 02:10:11,960
Speaker 1: But he was already out the door. Yeah, but he was.

2706
02:10:12,120 --> 02:10:15,960
Speaker 1: He took the Patriots shop right wild though? Was it

2707
02:10:16,000 --> 02:10:18,160
Speaker 1: the Patriots? He took the Jets Jets shop because he

2708
02:10:18,160 --> 02:10:20,560
Speaker 1: lost the Super Bowl with the Pats. And one more

2709
02:10:20,560 --> 02:10:23,640
Speaker 1: thing on carry here nine figured deals pretty sweet.

2710
02:10:23,440 --> 02:10:24,000
Speaker 5: Pretty sweet?

2711
02:10:24,280 --> 02:10:24,640
Speaker 1: All right?

2712
02:10:24,680 --> 02:10:26,080
Speaker 5: You know, Jeff Bezos give me text.

2713
02:10:26,160 --> 02:10:26,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, Jeff.

2714
02:10:27,480 --> 02:10:29,040
Speaker 2: I did go to a party one so I saw

2715
02:10:29,080 --> 02:10:30,320
Speaker 2: him there.

2716
02:10:30,720 --> 02:10:33,480
Speaker 1: Really rich. He just looks rich. I was gonna say, no,

2717
02:10:33,520 --> 02:10:35,680
Speaker 1: he's buff to super villain swag.

2718
02:10:36,960 --> 02:10:38,720
Speaker 5: The Amazon football, that whole crew.

2719
02:10:39,000 --> 02:10:40,320
Speaker 1: Huh does he really think so?

2720
02:10:40,560 --> 02:10:45,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chris said, cet ct says he's really cool.

2721
02:10:46,000 --> 02:10:48,680
Speaker 1: Hangs out with freaking fitz Patrick. Man.

2722
02:10:48,800 --> 02:10:52,880
Speaker 8: Damn usually go fishing for like stars on the billionaires.

2723
02:10:53,200 --> 02:10:54,040
Speaker 1: That'd be tight, dude.

2724
02:10:54,160 --> 02:10:54,800
Speaker 5: Sponsors.

2725
02:10:55,040 --> 02:10:58,400
Speaker 1: We already had one. We had cubes, cubes, we had

2726
02:10:58,440 --> 02:11:00,800
Speaker 1: a couple, and then we have another one. Uh, Ernie's

2727
02:11:00,800 --> 02:11:04,520
Speaker 1: probably a billionaire. We just secret he probably is.

2728
02:11:05,440 --> 02:11:08,080
Speaker 3: I bet bro, he's got the stock tips man, he

2729
02:11:08,240 --> 02:11:10,160
Speaker 3: cracked it. He definitely did we.

2730
02:11:10,160 --> 02:11:12,080
Speaker 1: Know Trav though. Trav let us hold a couple of that. Bro,

2731
02:11:12,160 --> 02:11:13,800
Speaker 1: You got us in for a couple. You got the

2732
02:11:13,920 --> 02:11:14,480
Speaker 1: Edelman bump.

2733
02:11:14,480 --> 02:11:17,720
Speaker 3: After Jewels came on and told the the hot up story,

2734
02:11:17,760 --> 02:11:19,760
Speaker 3: Bro Man, that was awesome.

2735
02:11:19,840 --> 02:11:21,960
Speaker 2: That was a fun experience, you know. And then to

2736
02:11:22,040 --> 02:11:26,360
Speaker 2: top it off with a Boston legend like Scalabrini Gal

2737
02:11:27,120 --> 02:11:27,840
Speaker 2: And that's been.

2738
02:11:27,760 --> 02:11:29,720
Speaker 1: Another episode of Games with Names.

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02:11:30,040 --> 02:11:34,680
Speaker 2: Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you listen to your podcast.

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02:11:34,240 --> 02:11:36,160
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02:11:36,320 --> 02:11:37,160
Speaker 1: rate and review.

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02:11:38,640 --> 02:11:41,800
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Speaker 2: two four two nine one two two nine zero.

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Speaker 1: See you next week.

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Speaker 2: Games and Names the production of iHeart Radio. For more

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm