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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Second hour Clay and Buck kicks off. Now we're joined

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Speaker 2: by Dave McCormick. He is a veteran, a Wall Street guru,

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Speaker 2: and he is running for United States Senate in Pennsylvania. Dave,

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Speaker 2: good to have you back on the program.

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Speaker 3: Oh guys, how are you good?

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Speaker 2: Let's start with this if we can, Dave, are you

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Speaker 2: going to win in Pennsylvania?

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Speaker 4: Why?

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you're going to say yes, But why and

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Speaker 2: what can be done there to make sure that it's

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Speaker 2: not just you, but other Republicans who come away with

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Speaker 2: w's this time, given what the Shenanigans we saw in

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Speaker 2: Pennsylvania back in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's gonna be a great election in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four, primarily because eighty percent of Pennsylvanians think the

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Speaker 3: Touchy's going in the wrong direction. They look at this

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Speaker 3: order crisis, they look at record high inflation, they look

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Speaker 3: at crime five thousand cent in all deaths, and they

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Speaker 3: are terribly worried about the future of the country and

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Speaker 3: the future Pennsylvania. And my opponent Bob Casey's been there

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Speaker 3: seventeen years and frankly hasn't done much of anything and

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Speaker 3: has vot voted ninety eight percent of the time with

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden. So it's a change election. People see this

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Speaker 3: as an opportunity to put new leadership in place. And

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Speaker 3: I'm someone who's been a leader in the military and

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Speaker 3: in business, and I'm going to go there to shake

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Speaker 3: up Washington. And that is the contrast. And I think

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Speaker 3: that same thing holds true for other candidates, whether it's

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Speaker 3: the top of the ticket or other candidates down the path.

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Speaker 3: Everybody views our current country as in decline and we

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Speaker 3: need leadership to fix it.

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Speaker 5: Dave, great to see you last night. I know you're

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Speaker 5: going all over the country and all over Pennsylvania raising

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Speaker 5: money to be able to win what I think is

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Speaker 5: one of the two or three most important Senate races

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Speaker 5: in the entire country coming up in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 5: It looks like Trump is going to be the Republican

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Speaker 5: nominee and you will be the nominee for the Senate

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Speaker 5: in Pennsylvania. Do you think you helped Trump? How do

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Speaker 5: you think Trump helps you? What does a coalition of

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Speaker 5: winners look like in Pennsylvania? Because if Trump wins Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 5: He's going to be the president. And if you win Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 5: Republicans are going to have control of the Senate too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the stakes are high, which is why I'm so

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Speaker 3: committed to winning and why I'm making this run. I

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Speaker 3: think President Trump and I see it across the Commonwealth.

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Speaker 3: I mean, people come out on behalf. He mobilizes a

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Speaker 3: huge part of the Republican Party that came out very

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Speaker 3: enthusiastically for him, and that happened in twenty sixteen, it

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Speaker 3: happened in twenty twenty, and that'll happen in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: And I think I hopefully will be the beneficiary of

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Speaker 3: that great turnout. But I also to bring to the

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Speaker 3: ticket someone who can really appeal across all Pennsylvania. Build

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Speaker 3: a coalition of those independents that are very unhappy with

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Speaker 3: the direction of the country, conservative Democrats, of business people

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Speaker 3: that see the regulations coming under President Biden killing their businesses,

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Speaker 3: and so I you know, my guess is that President

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Speaker 3: Trump at the top set will help me, and I

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Speaker 2: Dave, you know you ran in uh the last cycle

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Speaker 2: right as a as a Republican and lost in the primary,

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Speaker 2: and then that set ended up going to doc I

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Speaker 2: mean to uh, not doctor Fetterman. Uh to John Fetterman.

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Speaker 2: What would you say are the lessons learned? I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know, you got to observe that contest, right, you

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Speaker 2: got to see Fetterman versus doctor Oz. I think for

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Speaker 2: and that cycle that Fetterman was able to win. Put

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Speaker 2: aside some of his more saying commentary recently, What lessons

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Speaker 2: did you take from that as somebody who's now going

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, listen, you know, when you lose by nine

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Speaker 3: I certainly throughout my life, you know, when I've failed,

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Speaker 3: that's the way you get better is you learn from

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Speaker 3: the most important thing. The most important thing is Pennsylvanians

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Speaker 3: want leadership and they want authenticity, and I'm running a

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Speaker 3: love America. I feel like I've been blessed. I want

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Speaker 3: resonates with Pennsylvanians. I'm on a Pennsylvania kid. I grew

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Speaker 3: I came back to Pennsylvania after serving in the Golf

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Speaker 3: create hundreds of jobs. So they want leadership. It's a

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Speaker 5: You lost to Oz by about one hundred votes. I

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Speaker 5: don't remember. I think you may have just told this,

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Speaker 5: but is a tying number, and I'm sure that was crushing.

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Speaker 5: Do you think if you had been the nominee.

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Speaker 4: In twenty twenty two you would have eaten Fetterman.

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Speaker 3: You know it's hard to say you never want a

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Speaker 3: it's so vicious, why would you do it again? And

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Speaker 3: the reason is, you know, I love American I want

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Speaker 3: what would have happened. The thing I know is that

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Speaker 3: I feel the energy on the campaign trow. I feel

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Speaker 3: Pennsylvanians crying out for change and leadership in candor and

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Speaker 3: you know, calling out things that don't make sense, like

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Speaker 5: We were talking last night. You have decided I don't

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Speaker 5: hope I'm not stepping on a big announcement, but you're

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Speaker 5: basically to try to make sure that you get to

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I grew up in one of those communities,

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Speaker 3: one of those small towns in Bloomsburg, which is about

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Speaker 3: for me. And you know, stepping back, sixty percent of

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Speaker 3: haven't been focused on their needs. So I want to

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Speaker 3: the fentanyl crisis, which I mentioned last night. Five thousand

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Speaker 3: I want to hear it from them, and I will

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Speaker 3: also want to introduce myself to them and tell them

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Speaker 3: there's anything that can replace that personal connection. And you know,

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Speaker 3: Of course, you got to do that to run a

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Speaker 3: And so I'm going to be spending you know, thousands

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Speaker 3: I'm honestly excited about it, because that's why I'm running.

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Speaker 3: I want to I want to serve the great people

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Speaker 2: Dave, in your previous life, or I guess earlier in

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Speaker 2: so you had to be right about the trajectory of

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Speaker 2: into that position. What do you think the Biden administration,

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Speaker 2: what are you anticipating, Because we talked about this a

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Speaker 2: little bit in the first hour with some of the

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Speaker 2: think they're going to try. You know, I think this

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Speaker 2: if we all have a sense of what games are

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Speaker 4: What do you foresee?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think you know you're gonna start with the

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Speaker 3: on top of that, what's happened as interest rates have

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Speaker 3: What's going to happen is that the Democrats going to

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Speaker 3: say crazy things like my opponent Bob case He's talking

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Speaker 3: This is exactly what a career politician who's never made payroll,

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Speaker 3: All right, I'm Steelers all the way. I grew up

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Speaker 3: I'm so grateful to be on the show. Thank you.

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Speaker 5: And by the way, David, last night, funny fact. If

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Speaker 3: Yeah, people ask me. You know Ranger School, you know

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Speaker 4: No doubt.

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Speaker 5: Dave, thanks for all the work. We'll have you on again.

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Speaker 5: But encourage Pennsylvanians to go check it out. You were

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Speaker 4: Thanks for the time.

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Speaker 5: Thanks guys, it's Dave McCormick. All right, Buck, super Bowl

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Speaker 2: Least American thing I've said in a long time, Clay.

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Speaker 5: Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show. Appreciate Dave McCormick,

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Speaker 6: What is being done to get the public to really

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Speaker 2: The whole thing. They don't have a real narrative here.

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Speaker 2: They just they're sputtering. They're they're desperate, they're looking for something.

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Speaker 5: a lot of black voters who feel like their cities

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Speaker 5: and their states are not helping people in their community

437
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Speaker 5: are looking around and saying, wait a minute, we don't

438
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Speaker 5: have the money to take care of underprivileged people right

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Speaker 5: now in New York City or Chicago or Washington, d C.

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Speaker 5: Or Atlanta or Denver or La or San Francisco, whatever

441
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Speaker 5: city you want to point to, and all of these

442
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Speaker 5: cities are giving millions and millions of dollars to non

443
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Speaker 5: citizens to enable them to have a better quality of life.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if you saw this, tu Buck. I'm

445
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Speaker 5: not claiming. I'm not someone who likes to point to

446
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Speaker 5: celebrities and say, oh, this is really an intriguing and

447
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Speaker 5: incredible perspective because, as we've said before, only the royal

448
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 5: family but not others. Yeah, oh, Queen Elizabeth, don't even

449
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 5: know the dastardly The dastardly turn that you took to

450
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Speaker 5: go after Queen Elizabeth is still still echoing throughout the universe.

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Speaker 4: Here and then disrepute.

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Speaker 5: But I will say this, when you see Al Sharpton

453
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Speaker 5: talking about an invasion, and I'm going to use a

454
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Speaker 5: rapper here that a lot of you may not be

455
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Speaker 5: familiar with, depending on your age. The rapper fifty cent

456
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Speaker 5: came out and said when Eric Adams in New York City,

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Speaker 5: I think we talked about this, the fifty three million

458
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Speaker 5: dollars basically that they are giving to immigrants illegal immigrants.

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Speaker 5: Fifty cent came out and said, I got to vote

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Speaker 5: for Trump here because and I'm paraphrasing him, because what

461
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Speaker 5: in the world is going on with Eric Adams that

462
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Speaker 5: the mayor of New York City is making the decision

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Speaker 5: to continue to take care of people that are not

464
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Speaker 5: actually American citizens? And I think for many people out

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Speaker 5: there black voters, this is what they're They're looking around

466
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Speaker 5: and they're saying, this doesn't add up. What is the

467
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Speaker 5: Democrat Party doing for me? They promise all these bells

468
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Speaker 5: and whistles, They say that Republicans will put us back

469
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Speaker 5: in chains, even though Republicans are the ones who took

470
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Speaker 5: you out of chains. Historically, what has Joe Biden done

471
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Speaker 5: to actually make the average like forty four? I feel

472
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Speaker 5: old school in the sense that for most of us

473
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Speaker 5: out there who are around your in mind's age, we

474
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Speaker 5: grew up in the eighties and the nineties. We didn't

475
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Speaker 5: go through the Civil rights movement. We didn't go through

476
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Speaker 5: all the battles about integration, schoolhouse doors nobody was standing

477
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Speaker 5: in front of in the eighties and the nineties. In

478
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Speaker 5: the early two thousands, all of us were taught. And

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Speaker 5: I still believe this to be true that despite whatever

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Speaker 5: racial differences we might have, we all have way more

481
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Speaker 5: in common than we do different. And that is actually

482
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Speaker 5: not what democrats believe anymore. They believe that based on

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Speaker 5: the color of your skin, or the desire of your

484
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Speaker 5: sexuality or even your gender, that you can't have common

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Speaker 5: ideals with others based on those differences.

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Speaker 4: And I just reject that.

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Speaker 5: And I think a lot of black people in their

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Speaker 5: thirties and their forties who grew up in the eighties

489
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Speaker 5: and nineties are looking around now at this migrant invasion,

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Speaker 5: as Al Sharpton called it, and they're saying, how is

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Speaker 5: this making America better for me or my community or

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Speaker 5: my city? And there aren't good answers here. And I

493
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Speaker 5: think we have a clip this is from October, right

494
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Speaker 5: of the new mayor of Chicago, Brandon Johnson, going off

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Speaker 5: on people who are asking about this migrant issue in

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Speaker 5: this invasion in Chicago.

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Speaker 4: Can we play that clip?

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Speaker 5: This is again from October, But this is emblematic I

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Speaker 5: think of the pressures that suddenly Democrat office holders are

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Speaker 5: feeling in cities.

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Speaker 7: I have children who attend schools who have soccer games.

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Speaker 4: Y'all.

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Speaker 7: You know you're all asking me as if I'm not

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Speaker 7: a parent in this city.

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Speaker 4: I get it.

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Speaker 7: A mayor, I get it, But you're asking me to

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Speaker 7: give you a date and I have to court. Do

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Speaker 7: you understand that you have not had.

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Speaker 4: A mayor like me. I get that.

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Speaker 7: I have a wife, I have children, they have schedules,

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Speaker 7: and plus we still have public safety that we have

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Speaker 7: to address. We still have the un housed that we

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Speaker 7: have to address. I still have a budget that I

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Speaker 7: have to address. And I'm doing all of that with

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Speaker 7: a black wife, raising three black children on the west

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Speaker 7: out of Sea of Chicago. I am going to the

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Speaker 7: border as soon as possible.

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Speaker 5: This is funny to be buck, because most people have

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Speaker 5: kids and wives or husbands and kids, and they still

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Speaker 5: have serious jobs too. So when you get criticized for

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Speaker 5: what's going on with migrants in your city and your

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Speaker 5: response is I've got soccer games to go to, I'm

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Speaker 5: a dad, I.

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Speaker 4: Don't think that plays very well.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's one thing to be normal and have

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Speaker 5: a normal life, which many parents and grandparents out there

527
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Speaker 5: listening to us do, But that doesn't mean you don't

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Speaker 5: have an obligation and a responsibility to get your job done,

529
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Speaker 5: especially when you're being highly paid for it, and you

530
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Speaker 5: ran for the obligation. Don't beg for the responsibility of

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Speaker 5: being the leader of a city.

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Speaker 4: Get it. And then as soon as.

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Speaker 5: The criticism starts to rain down on you say, hey,

534
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Speaker 5: I got kids soccer games to get to. But I

535
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 5: think this is what the pressure is doing to Democrat

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Speaker 5: politicians in their marketplaces.

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Speaker 4: Buck. This is different, and I.

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Speaker 5: Give credit to Greg Abbott for helping the to further

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Speaker 5: this conversation. But it is super super interesting that this

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Speaker 5: could be could be happening.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I agree, very important, very interesting that it's happening.

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Speaker 2: So we will continue to follow this one as closely

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Speaker 2: as we can.

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Speaker 5: And we got a jury verdict that will tell you

545
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Speaker 5: about when we come back coming out of Michigan in

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Speaker 5: that school shooting case that some of you may be

547
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Speaker 5: intrigued about because it's a relatively uncommon precedent as it

548
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Speaker 5: pertains to what's occurring there. But I want to tell

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Speaker 5: you right now, you've seen QR codes and restaurants are

550
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 5: on products. It's computer generated, little black and white square.

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Speaker 5: You zoom in on it with your phone, Get the menu.

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Speaker 5: I hate this, By the way, Can we bring back

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Speaker 5: menus everywhere? I don't know anybody who's like, you know what,

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Speaker 5: I love a QR code, but that's just me.

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Speaker 4: I want actual paper.

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Speaker 5: Remember they were like, oh, we can't have menus anymore

557
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Speaker 5: because that'll spread COVID. Can we just have menus everywhere anyway?

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Speaker 5: I hate QR codes, but especially when they're using it.

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Speaker 5: Guess what's also happening now. Cyber criminals are taking advantage

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Speaker 5: of that. They can replace QR codes with their owns,

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Speaker 5: and if you scan those, you can be redirected to

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Speaker 5: Welcome back in breaking news. Some of you may be

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Speaker 5: interested in this, particularly if you are from Michigan, the

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Speaker 5: Oxford area, Michigan. In fact, my wife lived in Oxford

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Speaker 5: for a while when she was a little girl. She

585
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Speaker 5: grew up in Oakland County to a large extent. But

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Speaker 5: there was a school shooting that happened in Oxford, Michigan,

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Speaker 5: about forty miles north of Detroit. We have a lot

588
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Speaker 5: of in Oxford. High was fifteen years old. He murdered

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Speaker 5: four people and this is the first time ever that

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Speaker 5: a parent has been charged as well. She was convicted

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Speaker 5: now found guilty of four different counts of voluntary manslaughter.

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Speaker 5: This was that jury verdict that just came down on

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Speaker 5: count one.

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Speaker 8: Of involuntary manslaughter. As to Madison Baldwin, we find the

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Speaker 8: defendant guilty of involuntary manslaughter. On count two of involuntary manslaughter.

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Speaker 8: In regards to Taitmier, we find the defendant guilty of

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Speaker 8: involuntary manslaughter on count three. As to involuntary manslaughter regarding

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Speaker 8: Hannah Hannah Saint Juliana, we find the defendant guilty of

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Speaker 8: involuntary manslaughter. And in count four of involuntary manslaughter against

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Speaker 8: Justin Shilling, we find the defendant guilty of involuntary manslaughter.

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Speaker 5: So Buck, the father in this case, is also still

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Speaker 5: going to stand trial for the same charges next month,

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Speaker 5: But the mom now of this school shooter, has been

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Speaker 5: found guilty of involuntary manslaughter all four counts.

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Speaker 2: I didn't follow this trial closely, so I'm just catching

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Speaker 2: up with it, and like a lot of so I'm

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Speaker 2: asking this in the perspective of somebody, like I think

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Speaker 2: a lot of a lot of our people listening right now,

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Speaker 2: What was the.

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Speaker 4: You know, being a bad.

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Speaker 2: Parent obviously is not enough for you to be guilty

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Speaker 2: of involuntary manslater, what were the you know, what was

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Speaker 2: the crux of the argument here why they would be accountable.

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Speaker 2: Did they give him I don't remember that. Did they

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Speaker 2: give him back his guns after they were taken or something.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't there something that they did that was particularly reckless

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Speaker 2: because you would have to establish for an involuntary manslaughter

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Speaker 2: charge like this, an extreme level of disregard for the

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Speaker 2: safety of others in recklessness, right, because you usually we

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Speaker 2: don't hold people responsible for things that their family members do,

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Speaker 2: so even if it's.

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Speaker 4: Offend in the mind.

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Speaker 5: It's a really interesting question. And my understanding is basically,

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Speaker 5: when you get to involuntary manslaughter and every state has

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Speaker 5: a different, different specific standard, what you're really applying is

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Speaker 5: a negligence standard to behavior. So effectively, this jury in

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Speaker 5: Michigan found that this mother should have been aware based

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Speaker 5: on what they were able to establish, that her fifteen

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Speaker 5: year old son was had access to these weapons, that

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Speaker 5: he was plotting, effectively, some sort of action like this,

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Speaker 5: and they presented evidence that she was aware of it

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Speaker 5: and that basically her parenting was so reckless and negligent

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Speaker 5: that she was criminally culpable for the actions of her son.

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Speaker 5: I think buck also the fact that this is a

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Speaker 5: minor child is a big part of this. Because the

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Speaker 5: school shooter was fifteen years old. I think it would

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Speaker 5: be harder to argue that someone.

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Speaker 4: Would be harder if he was eighteen. I mean, it

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Speaker 4: seems as he could.

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Speaker 5: Get the game himself in and I think it would

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Speaker 5: be a hard time.

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Speaker 2: And it seems to be that It's like when there's cases,

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Speaker 2: for example, it is really very tragic, very different kind

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Speaker 2: of circumstance, but where a minor gets a hold of

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Speaker 2: a gun and ends up killing himself or herself by

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Speaker 2: accident with it, especially if it's like a you know,

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Speaker 2: six year old or something, then in some states, the

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Speaker 2: person who left the loaded handgun, you know, on the

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Speaker 2: floor in the living room can be held accountable.

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Speaker 4: It seems to me is I'm looking at.

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Speaker 2: The reasoning here behind the Michigan prosecution that allowing a

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Speaker 2: fifteen year old access to these firearms and given the

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Speaker 2: circumstances that that's where the recklessness comes in. It's really

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Speaker 2: about access to the guns.

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Speaker 5: And we've talked a lot about this on so many

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Speaker 5: different teenage related shooting school and beyond. Every parent, in

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Speaker 5: my opinion, who allows this to happen has failed. The

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Speaker 5: Uvali Day shooting, which we talked about a great extent.

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Speaker 5: None of these kids that go in and shoot up

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Speaker 5: a school are great, you know, honor students who have

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Speaker 5: no issues at all prior to this.

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Speaker 2: They're doing they're not doing well in life. We can

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Speaker 2: all just look at this and understand that they're they're

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Speaker 2: they're very, very challenged by the day to day existence

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Speaker 2: that they have.

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Speaker 5: And I would just say anybody out there listening, if

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Speaker 5: you have a kid who is behaving recklessly and they're

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Speaker 5: a minor, and you know that they have acts to

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Speaker 5: weapons and they're behaving in any way that suggests violence,

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Speaker 5: not only for by the way, for external factors, but

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Speaker 5: for suicide.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 5: I mean to me, this all starts every time I

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Speaker 5: read one of these stories. It makes me sick to

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Speaker 5: my stomach. As a parent, to think that the relationship

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Speaker 5: between parent and child got so bad that the kid's behavior,

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Speaker 5: which was toxic, just led and led and led to

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Speaker 5: this point and they were never able to stop it.

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Speaker 4: Wasn't There also a verdict recently.

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Speaker 2: Of a couple of I think they were they were

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Speaker 2: They were teenagers who beat a kid to death, and

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Speaker 2: they got pretty light sentences as well.

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Speaker 5: I think it's I'll try to pull this on. I

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Speaker 5: think that was Lebron James's high school. Yeah, and for

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Speaker 5: the I Promise School in Akron, Ohio, and those two

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Speaker 5: I think one of them was under eighteen, one of

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Speaker 5: them was over eighteen. I got to go check the detail,

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Speaker 5: but you're right, they got basically no punishment. They got

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Speaker 5: basically no punishment. Okay, So a couple of black kids

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Speaker 5: who beat a kid to death, white kids to death

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Speaker 5: in a parking lot of Lebron James's school. That happened,

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Speaker 5: I think so, yeah, six months something like that.

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Speaker 2: And I just juxtaposed this with in Michigan a parent

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Speaker 2: who no one would argue was anything other than obviously

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Speaker 2: a very poor parent.

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Speaker 4: And there's a recklessness here.

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Speaker 2: But I wonder how long she is she going to

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Speaker 2: get more time in prison on involuntary manslaughter than the

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Speaker 2: two young black individuals at that school who stopped a

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Speaker 2: kid to death.

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Speaker 5: And broad I'll just point out Lebron James comments on

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Speaker 5: everything at his school. Kid gets beaten to death in

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Speaker 5: the parking lot, he said, virtually nothing like thoughts and prayers,

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Speaker 5: you know, when you consider the other things that he's

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Speaker 5: put out there by the way, in particular, our staff

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Speaker 5: letting us know, prosecutors accused and the jury believed the

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Speaker 5: gunman's parents disregarded the risks. They bought a gun for

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Speaker 5: their son four days before the shooting, fifteen year old son,

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Speaker 5: even though he was struggling with mental health and contemplating violence,

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Speaker 5: and they knew about it that they gave him that

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Speaker 5: access to the firearm. And it was so reckless in

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Speaker 5: the mind of the jury and certainly of the prosecutors

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Speaker 5: that the mom now has been convicted of four different

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Speaker 5: counts of involuntary manslayers.

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Speaker 2: So that journey came to that conclusion. I got to say,

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Speaker 2: under the circumstances, you know there are limits, right, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I understand people would be concerned about how this kind

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Speaker 2: of thing could be abused in other circumstances, but in

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Speaker 2: this one there was a recklessness and that is part

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Speaker 2: of statute no doubt.

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Speaker 5: We come back our boy, Andy McCarthy, the absolute latest

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Speaker 5: on lawfare.

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Speaker 4: We'll dive into it next