WEBVTT - Ep. 192: BEAR GREASE [RENDER] - Homo Americanis & a Missouri Game Warden 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:16.120 My name is Clay Nukeleman. 0:00:16.239 --> 0:00:19.400 This is a production of the Bear Grease podcast called 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:23.759 The Bear Grease Render, where we render down, dive deeper, 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:28.240 and look behind the scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:34.400 presented by f HF Gear, American Maid, purpose built hunting 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:37.959 and fishing gear that's designed to be as rugged as 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:39.320 the place as we explore. 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:45.240 I'm a little disappointed with I was listening to the 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:49.479 podcast and the ad came on for the. 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:53.000 Dog, the company that makes. 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:58.880 The callers right, Yeah, And I feel like I feel 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:01.760 like Jud's been Lloyd that he shouldn't get a bad 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:03.480 rap on a commercial. 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:09.120 Did Jed my coon dog? That's not very good? 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:20.959 Jed oh Man. Yeah, all of a sudden, like some somehow, 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:23.720 when I'm in my office alone recording the podcast. 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:27.840 Ads that seemed completely fair might have been late at night. 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:29.920 Now now it. 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:34.479 Seems really it seems really Wronged is getting really old. 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:36.240 Jed has been. 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:39.039 When I see Jed walking through my yard, who's now 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:42.200 like fully retired, he's just a yard dog. He has 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:47.360 reverted Brent to wearing out a rabbit race. Really oh, 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:51.680 he runs rabbits all the time. He loves But for 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:56.080 I've given Jed a bad rap. Jed has literally been 0:01:56.120 --> 0:02:00.320 on hundreds of coon trees, hundreds of coon tracks, and 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:02.840 I took him three times after Fern died, and he 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:06.160 ran backtrack three times, and so I gave up on him. 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:07.680 I mean, it's probably not. 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:09.680 Fair, is what I want to know. 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:11.799 Yeah, yeah, probably, Jedi. 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:14.720 I have been on literally thousands of trees and I 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:17.760 didn't treat one of them either. So I like, have 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:20.359 you ever treated a rabbit? Nope? 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:24.520 Well I thank you for bringing that up, Josh. 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:26.920 It just it hurts me a little bit for Jed. 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:30.320 Yeah, you know what, Jed helped me early back in 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:31.560 the Bare Hunting magazine days. 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:35.400 You know, Jed would jump up on the desk. 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:38.040 That was Alexis favorite everything. 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:39.520 Yeah, yeah, he was. 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:41.200 He's quite the hound. 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:44.240 He's a character, you know, Jed. He doesn't have the 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:46.720 strength he used to, but he doesn't know it. And 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:49.040 Tim is a little more athletic than Jed. Can't get 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:51.720 across the yard pretty fast. And when Jed sees it, 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:54.119 you can see in his eyes he's like, yeah, let's go, 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:56.840 and then he tries to do it and it just moves. 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:57.160 Really. 0:02:57.200 --> 0:03:00.960 So, whenever I go on wall, the dogs always come 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:03.880 with me, and Jed used to. We couldn't let Jed 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:06.200 come with us because he, you know, who knows where 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:07.280 he'd go holiday be going. 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:08.800 But he moves pretty slow. 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:15.480 Id you still can run with the dogs. 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:18.200 You're getting smarter. 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:21.320 Well, we've we've got a great crew here today. To 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:27.280 my right, Josh Landbridge, spillmaker. I'm to Josh's right, doctor 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:32.320 Misty Nukelem. Hello, have you here? Misty's right bear John Newcomb, 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:35.240 who has something in his hand that we're going to 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:37.480 talk about here in a minute too. All right, we've 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:41.440 got a mystery guest skipping over. The mystery guest, Brent Reeves. 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:45.960 Great to hear. I hear almost every day that people 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:49.360 tell me they still think you're an under undercover game warden. 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:51.880 Really almost daily. 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:53.560 Really, I'm retired, man. 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:57.000 You know how what a great play though would be? 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:59.520 Though, Yeah, that would work. Here's here's the that is 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:06.800 the ultimate undercover assignment thirty two years, seven months, and 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:10.400 then we're going to tell everybody you retired and like 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:13.240 like that guy. I'm like that guy in the Mountains 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:15.520 of Living by Itself and the government sins a helicopter. 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:20.159 We got to have you back like Rambo First Blood 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:24.120 Part two, Colonel Troutman goes back to the penitentiary, gets 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:27.480 Rambo out after that crazy night up in Port up 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:32.080 in Oregon. You tell Northwest, Yeah, and then they call 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:34.800 him out and go back into Vietnam to get those POWs. 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:38.560 I'd go, it's kind of like your movie. I'd go, Okay, 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:39.960 I wouldn't come out just to get. 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:44.320 You our mystery guest, Our mystery guest. It's Kyle Carroll. Yeah, Kyle, 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:45.440 awesome to have you. 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:45.680 Man. 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:48.400 Came all the way from north west Missouri. 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:48.880 North of the river. 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:52.560 Good to be here on a great Arkansas spring day. Yeah. Man. 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:58.080 So I intentionally have held off like talking to Kyle 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:00.680 before he got here. When the time I was on 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:03.840 Meat Eater, Uh, Steve Ronella wouldn't talk to me before 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:04.200 I came. 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:06.320 I was there like a little early, and I was. 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:09.599 Just like, what a jerk and uh, And then I 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:12.600 realized it was actually, it's a podcast strategy, and other 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:16.200 podcasts that I've been on people have done that, They've 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:18.599 not wanted to talk to you beforehand. So Kyle came 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:21.400 in and I was like, oh, sorry, I can't talk 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:21.799 to you. 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:23.960 But well, Brenda understand this. If you're on time, you're 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:28.600 late five minutes early. I did send a text, don't 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:29.440 shoot I'm coming in. 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:30.440 Yeah. 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:34.280 Yeah, Now listen, y'all don't probably don't know this. 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:37.760 Do you see this? This painting right here of Tecumsa. 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:40.520 I put that on my Instagram a couple of weeks ago. 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:44.880 This is a what kind of what medium is that? 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:49.000 The original was an oil painting and oil oil oil 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:51.279 on I think it was on linen, maybe oil on canvas, 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:51.960 I'm not sure. 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:57.080 But yeah, So Kyle is an artist, a distinguished artist, 0:05:57.080 --> 0:06:00.839 which we're getting very interested in. This is to surprise you. 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:03.960 He's a he was a he's a retired game boarding Missouri. 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:04.560 I didn't know that. 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:07.640 I didn't know that those two things could exist in 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:08.960 the same person. 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:10.880 Two game boards in a room kind of sort of. 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:13.359 Yeah, sustin or. 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:15.680 Second. 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:21.440 Yeah, So how long have you been doing art that 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:21.880 you know? 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:24.840 I started actually out of uh when I went to 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:28.200 college as an art major, and and I had to 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:29.520 decide the first year. 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:33.280 A lot of art majors law enforcement or art. 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:39.000 Yeah, yeah, going on paint over hook yet. No, it 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:40.960 was just I didn't really know for sure what I 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:43.040 didn't know how to get in the business. I knew 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:45.800 that I kind of wanted to work like for for 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:49.120 Missouri Missouri Conservation Department, and I knew they had one artist, 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:51.520 so I'm thinking, how's that gonna work, you know. And 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:55.800 then about the same time I was interested in applying 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:57.920 for the game boarding position. I was either going to 0:06:57.960 --> 0:06:59.919 be in Wyoming or Missouri because I was working in 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:04.320 owming in the summers. And so the summer that freshman year, 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:06.800 they decided that you had to have a full college 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:10.360 degree to apply in Missouri to be to apply it 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:13.040 as a game ward. Okay, so I went ahead and 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:15.760 switched to biology as a major, and so I just 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:18.400 I never really left it, but I didn't start doing 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:22.640 anything professionally or really seriously until about ninety nine or 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:23.200 two thousand. 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:25.480 So you were always as a good artist, just naturally. 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:28.520 Well yeah, I mean my mom kind of encouraged it, 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:32.160 and I always I drew stuff in entertained my brothers 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:34.080 and sisters, you know, on paper, and then I turned 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:36.440 the paper like this, so it's moving pictures, you know. 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:39.240 Nice. So what kind of stuff did you draw when 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:41.000 you were a kid, Like if your notebook was out 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:42.560 in front of you during class what would. 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:45.880 Probably two things. It's either wildlife or there were bombs 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:47.400 going off like bombs you know. 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:55.760 Yeah, yeah, So this where did you get this image 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:58.360 of tacumsa because you painted it? But were you looking 0:07:58.400 --> 0:07:59.280 at an image? 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:02.440 That's it interesting that you asked that because I was 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:05.560 asked to do that for a project that was put 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:08.320 together uh by David Wright, a good friend of mine 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:11.760 in Tennessee and really probably the reason I'm in any 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:15.320 kind of artists today is his mentorship. But he was 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:17.760 working on that that gun in the end, the painting 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:19.560 is actually a gun that's in the Museum of the 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:24.680 Fur Trade that has the UH can be traced back 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:29.560 to tokumps And so they wanted they add a group 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:31.400 that went out and they actually let them photograph it, 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:34.000 take it apart, and they made an exact replica. And 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:36.240 then when that story was going to be in the magazine, 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:39.720 they wanted a cover piece for it. So there there 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:43.640 are no picture where you you know from your research, 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:46.520 there's really no picture of takumpasas. So that's a compilation 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:49.480 of just what we know that by the time he 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:53.079 was prominent, the tattoos had kind of gone away because 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:55.880 whites weren't tattooed, so the Indians were prior to that 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:59.280 pretty tattooed. So it's just sort of what we know, 0:08:59.400 --> 0:08:59.920 what we think. 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:03.800 We did have a couple of legitimate portrait artists that 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:06.679 painted him, yes, and so you I guess you had 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:07.240 seen those. 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:10.440 I had seen those, and I use some of what 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:13.680 matched up with what I'd read and so forth. The 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:17.480 Ostrich plume was something that they had done before. 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:18.960 That always throws me off. 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:23.360 You kind of have this romantic idea of Native Americans 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:28.200 wearing a feathered headband, but you think of a native 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:31.520 bird and then that, and then it comes has this 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:34.640 huge Ostrich plume. It's just interesting. 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:36.720 Because that's what that's what they said he wore. 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:37.640 I read it somewhere. 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:40.480 Yes, yes, absolutely, he was described. You know, back in 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:45.560 those days, they didn't have video, they didn't have photography, 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:49.040 so writers wrote about what they saw to report back 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:52.439 as journalism, and they described they would describe what comes 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:55.360 to look like when he met with these US military 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:58.520 generals and British guys, and he would often have this 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:01.199 big white plume and is in. 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:05.200 Yeah, well that's the original went to a collector in Ohio. 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:07.360 Pretty close to where it comes was from. 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:09.160 And how big was the original painting. 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:12.959 I don't remember it. It's a little bit bigger than that. 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:15.120 That's probably nine by twelve ish. I think what we 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:18.200 did the Prince, but it was a little bit bigger, 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:22.800 but I don't I don't remember. But it wasn't no, no, no, I. 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:26.760 Thought I thought maybe a big one. Taking some heat 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:27.160 for that. 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:31.439 It's a it's a The beep that you just heard 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:34.800 was not a burrito going off. It was not a garment. 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:37.440 It was not a burrito in a microwave. It's a 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:42.080 battery pack from my computer. Somebody, somebody wrote me a 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:45.320 very long, thoughtful email this week about how they thought 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:48.080 it was my laptop and they were worried that my 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:53.000 laptop was going to die. And so I'm working on that. Actually, 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:55.120 every time that beeps during a render, we're going to 0:10:55.200 --> 0:11:01.920 give away thirty Unty's favorite conservation organization. 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:02.880 That's a joke. 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:06.400 You know. One benefit of not being able to hear 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:08.120 real well out of my left ear is I don't 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:10.320 hear it. I did not hear the beat. 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:12.040 Okay, it was loud. 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:17.240 The oh shoot, oh, I was going to say, or 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:20.440 is going to ask you, what's your favorite, Like, do 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:23.760 you you have a bunch of art? I mean, like 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:25.800 you've got a lot of this kind of pain. What's 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:27.160 some of your favorites stuff you've done. 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:30.520 I use what I like at least, and I'm not 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:32.840 talking so much about what I do, but what I like, 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:36.120 which is end up what I do some of is 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:42.280 something that's historically accurate that portrays frontier people, whether it's 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:46.440 natives or us or whatever in a historical setting, so 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:49.480 you get all the You can use your imagination, but 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:52.720 you can see this nice, beautiful historic setting with a 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:54.960 historic scene in it that's accurate. Or if you're just 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:58.000 doing figures, I like to make sure that the accouterments 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:00.560 and the gun and everything's right for the time. So 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:02.840 it's it's a little harder to do historic art than 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:04.679 it is just to do a portrait. You can do 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:08.240 a portrait, you do that with something historically, you still 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:10.760 have to do the art well, but then you have 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:12.720 to do some research. But that's the fun part because 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:15.280 it comes out of stuff that we read, like what 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:15.840 you read. 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:18.600 The detail on this is unbelievable. The latest one that 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:22.200 you did that I saw on your Instagram, that mutual surprise. 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:22.520 That new one. 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:24.199 Yeah, yeah, what was that one. 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:26.480 It's a guy that's a dude in the canoe, the trapper, 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:31.240 I guess, and he's, yeah, sculling down next to the 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:32.960 edge of the bank, and all of a sudden you 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:35.120 see him. He's kind of taking a back and as 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:38.640 a bear stand up looking at him there and they're 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:39.400 looking at one another. 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:41.520 That one you just kind of created out of your 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:42.319 own mind. 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:45.440 Yeah, that's not from any that's not from like a 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:47.720 reference or anything. That's just I had. I had some 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:50.360 good reference that I shot with a buddy in Tennessee. 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:52.920 It with a that had made the dugout canoe and stuff, 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:55.319 and so then I just put all that together. So 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:56.560 sometimes you just make it up. 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:57.240 It's fun. 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:01.320 It's just I just posted it, okay, recent posting, So. 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:03.480 Yeah, I got to see it. 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.560 So were you ever? So you did some art for 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:08.320 the Missouri Department. 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:10.640 Of Actually I never did work for them as an artist. 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:13.320 There might have been something in a magazine I can't 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:17.040 remember in the past, but all the time I spent 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:19.600 there was as an agent, as an illustration officer. 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:22.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I want to I want to come 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:25.520 back to that. Uh, we got I want to come 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:27.880 back to your game ward and stuff. Bart, What do 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:32.559 you got there in your hand? This is the rough. 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:38.120 Outline of self bow that I'm making an O Sage 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:43.120 self bow. So right now I'm probably like five hours 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:45.840 into this one. I've got the limbs to where they 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:49.079 can bend in kind of just like the general shape 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:51.559 of the bow. I don't have it quite though, to 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:53.360 where it tell us what a self bow is. 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:56.440 Someone who doesn't just knows that archery means something that 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:57.079 shoots an arrow. 0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:57.400 Yep. 0:13:57.480 --> 0:13:59.520 So selfo woud pretty much just be like a one 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:06.640 piece traditional bow that would be like carved out of 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:10.559 a stave or like a log, so like it wouldn't 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:15.240 be stacked wood like a lot of traditional bows one 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:15.680 piece of. 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:19.000 Wooden bows are laminated wood, like most re curves you 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:23.120 would buy in the commercial market are multiple pieces of 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:26.720 laminated wood. A self bow, it's made from one piece 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:29.600 of wood. Yep, that's it, yep. And so it split 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:32.320 like a an O Sage log. 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:35.520 And then we cut off our place here yep, that's 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:39.080 been sitting for a few years, and then just pretty 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:42.600 much cut you know, the outline of this bow. 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:45.320 And yeah, it takes a while it's pretty hard work. 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:47.960 But how is that that dry? 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:48.280 Is? 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:50.920 How is it to draw? Because it looks like it'd 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:51.280 be hard. 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:54.280 Yeah, it definitely is because osage is real tough and 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:56.480 the draw knife I have isn't very. 0:14:56.280 --> 0:15:05.520 Sharp, especially now. But yeah, Osage wood is. It's really interesting. 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:09.600 We live where we live in western Arkansas. We're really 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:14.320 on the Echo tone, which is the transition zone between 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:19.600 the eastern deciduous forest and the Great Plains, and the 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:24.160 os Geornge is kind of a plains type tree, and 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:26.440 so a lot of times people are really surprised that 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:30.440 we have os Jordan's Bow dark in this region. And 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:34.880 even two hours away any direct well two hours south 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:44.760 of here, you might thirty thousand dollars conservation the even 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:48.120 two hours south of here, there's not very many Osa George. 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:51.440 You get east of here very far, and there's not many. 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:55.160 And so oce George is a wild wild wood. When 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:58.800 you cut it with a chainsaw, it almost the wood 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:04.000 chips almost glow literally, they're they're bright orange. And as 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:07.080 the wood is exposed to the sunlight, it darkens and 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:10.080 it ends up darkening into kind of this like deep 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:11.560 robust orange. 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:13.520 But right now it's almost yellow. 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:15.720 Yeah, I was gonna say yellow is how describe it? 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:18.040 Yeah, right now it is, but and unfortunately it doesn't 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:21.640 keep that color. But uh yeah, Bears getting into some 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:24.600 primitive archery, and the self bo is the most primitive 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:29.840 methodology of making a bow. There's there's no more primitive way. 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:33.440 So yeah, you won't find one of those where I live. 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:36.680 A bow dark just two and a half hours from here. Yeah, 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:40.479 and it's closer than that in a straight line. Yeah. Yeah, 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:41.760 Bear's going primitive. 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:43.960 So he's making a self bow until we get an 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:46.840 at laddle season and then he's gone full on at laddle. 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:49.640 Yeah, well it's going like that. Dude, what was that? 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:51.960 What was that guy's name we did? You did the 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:54.840 podcast on had the hair like Crystal Gale? 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:59.960 Oh, who are we talking about? 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:02.000 The guy the. 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:08.560 Had the long hair? I met the guy about him? Oh, 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:09.280 Louis Wetzel. 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:12.360 Yeah, that's where Bears bears going. 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:17.720 Pretty notorious. 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:22.640 Uh criminal saying anything like that. 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:24.760 Trying to figure out what you are saying. 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:29.840 I thought I thought I had something to do with No, Okay, 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:33.480 he's just going going through the woods and taking control. 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:37.200 When Bear was a little boy, he would gather up, 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:40.359 you know, all sorts of stuff, anything you could find, 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:46.000 would rocks, pieces of metal, and he would make stuff 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:46.480 out of it. 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:48.640 And I always thought he was going to be an engineer. 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:53.640 That reminds me of you know that, you know that 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:56.240 memes of the Internet. You've all seen it, the meme 0:17:56.280 --> 0:18:01.159 on the Internet of John Daily Arkansas standing there in 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:03.800 like a pair of like pink golf pants smoking a 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:08.760 cigarette and then there's this like really prestigious looking golf 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:11.679 guy looking at him, and it always said, yeah, is 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:12.320 it Tiger Woods? 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:15.640 And it says, slightly more famous, what my. 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:20.479 Parents thought they wanted me to become and what I became. 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:23.520 And the best one I've ever seen. 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:26.840 Is it's John Daley and they've they've cropped a coonskin. 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:26.960 Hat on it. 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:30.719 He's holding the back of corn and the boat. And 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:33.040 then it said what my parents wanted me to become, 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:35.760 what I became. That's kind of like what you're saying. 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:38.640 And you thought Bear would be an engineer, he still 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:39.520 might be an engineer. 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:43.600 He'seering that boat, that's right, Uh huh, Yeah, yep. 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:46.400 I'm pretty happy with how Bears turned out. I'm good. 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:48.400 He's not done yet. He's just a kid. 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:51.440 Yeah, I don't think he's head towards engineering though. 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:08.640 So Kyle, you you were, you were a Missouri game 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:11.399 more than for twenty seven years. Yeah, that's right, just 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:13.040 patrol like you had. 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:14.560 What region of the state, did you. 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:18.280 In the northwest part? Okay, all the time? I pretty 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:20.080 much before I grew up in the northwest part of 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:22.919 the state. So that was rolling hills, prairie, you know, 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:27.320 big coons nice And I was thinking on the way 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:30.720 down here, how much that changed from when I started 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:35.000 in nineteen eighty coons were forty dollars a piece, So 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:37.639 what would that be in today's dollars seventy bucks or something? 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:40.400 Be crazy, crazy, it'd be better. 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:42.400 It'd be better than a dollar and a half, because 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:43.080 that's what it is. 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:49.359 Yeah, exactly, an engineering that's I got a question about engineers. 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:51.360 You can you can shoot me straight here. 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:56.880 Okay, So we did this Donnie Baker's yes, yes, about Missouri. Yes, 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:02.720 it occurred to me as we were doing this that 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:06.240 that could I don't know. Did you feel like that 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:12.879 in any way undermined the law enforcement people in Missouri 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:13.320 at all? 0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:15.760 No? No, I didn't think so well, I thought it 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:19.400 was fairly handled. I thought that was a hard hitting podcast. 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:22.960 Holy cow. Yeah, though, I mean. 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:26.600 Because I basically I didn't I didn't give them. I 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:29.520 tried to get the guys that dealt with Donnie. 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:32.000 That's who I wanted. Wasn't that I couldn't do that. 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:34.879 So there were I could have had other people in 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:37.320 the department on kind of speaking on behalf of the 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:39.520 Missouri game, and they and I chose not to do that. 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:41.080 That's kind of what I'm getting out. 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:43.399 I thought that was completely fair. I thought it was 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:46.920 I understood what you wanted to do. I understood why 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:49.159 they kind of were doing what they were doing. I 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:52.280 thought it was all it was all good. It was fine. Yeah, 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:55.080