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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukeleman.

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Speaker 2: This is a production of the Bear Grease podcast called

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Speaker 2: The Bear Grease Render, where we render down, dive deeper,

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Speaker 2: and look behind the scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast,

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Speaker 2: presented by f HF Gear, American Maid, purpose built hunting

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Speaker 2: and fishing gear that's designed to be as rugged as

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Speaker 2: the place as we explore.

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Speaker 3: I'm a little disappointed with I was listening to the

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Speaker 3: podcast and the ad came on for the.

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Speaker 4: Dog, the company that makes.

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Speaker 3: The callers right, Yeah, And I feel like I feel

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Speaker 3: like Jud's been Lloyd that he shouldn't get a bad

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Speaker 3: rap on a commercial.

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Speaker 4: Did Jed my coon dog? That's not very good?

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Speaker 2: Jed oh Man. Yeah, all of a sudden, like some somehow,

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Speaker 2: when I'm in my office alone recording the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Ads that seemed completely fair might have been late at night.

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Speaker 4: Now now it.

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Speaker 2: Seems really it seems really Wronged is getting really old.

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Speaker 1: Jed has been.

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Speaker 2: When I see Jed walking through my yard, who's now

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Speaker 2: like fully retired, he's just a yard dog. He has

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Speaker 2: reverted Brent to wearing out a rabbit race. Really oh,

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Speaker 2: he runs rabbits all the time. He loves But for

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Speaker 2: I've given Jed a bad rap. Jed has literally been

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Speaker 2: on hundreds of coon trees, hundreds of coon tracks, and

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Speaker 2: I took him three times after Fern died, and he

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Speaker 2: ran backtrack three times, and so I gave up on him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's probably not.

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Speaker 4: Fair, is what I want to know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, probably, Jedi.

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Speaker 4: I have been on literally thousands of trees and I

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Speaker 4: didn't treat one of them either. So I like, have

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Speaker 4: you ever treated a rabbit? Nope?

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Speaker 1: Well I thank you for bringing that up, Josh.

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Speaker 4: It just it hurts me a little bit for Jed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, Jed helped me early back in

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Speaker 2: the Bare Hunting magazine days.

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Speaker 1: You know, Jed would jump up on the desk.

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Speaker 4: That was Alexis favorite everything.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he was.

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Speaker 1: He's quite the hound.

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Speaker 5: He's a character, you know, Jed. He doesn't have the

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Speaker 5: strength he used to, but he doesn't know it. And

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Speaker 5: Tim is a little more athletic than Jed. Can't get

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Speaker 5: across the yard pretty fast. And when Jed sees it,

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Speaker 5: you can see in his eyes he's like, yeah, let's go,

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Speaker 5: and then he tries to do it and it just moves.

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Speaker 2: Really.

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Speaker 5: So, whenever I go on wall, the dogs always come

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Speaker 5: with me, and Jed used to. We couldn't let Jed

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Speaker 5: come with us because he, you know, who knows where

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Speaker 5: he'd go holiday be going.

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Speaker 6: But he moves pretty slow.

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Speaker 7: Id you still can run with the dogs.

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Speaker 4: You're getting smarter.

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Speaker 2: Well, we've we've got a great crew here today. To

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Speaker 2: my right, Josh Landbridge, spillmaker. I'm to Josh's right, doctor

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Speaker 2: Misty Nukelem. Hello, have you here? Misty's right bear John Newcomb,

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Speaker 2: who has something in his hand that we're going to

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Speaker 2: talk about here in a minute too. All right, we've

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Speaker 2: got a mystery guest skipping over. The mystery guest, Brent Reeves.

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Speaker 2: Great to hear. I hear almost every day that people

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Speaker 2: tell me they still think you're an under undercover game warden.

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Speaker 1: Really almost daily.

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Speaker 4: Really, I'm retired, man.

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Speaker 2: You know how what a great play though would be?

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Speaker 4: Though, Yeah, that would work. Here's here's the that is

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Speaker 4: the ultimate undercover assignment thirty two years, seven months, and

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Speaker 4: then we're going to tell everybody you retired and like

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Speaker 4: like that guy. I'm like that guy in the Mountains

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Speaker 4: of Living by Itself and the government sins a helicopter.

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Speaker 2: We got to have you back like Rambo First Blood

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Speaker 2: Part two, Colonel Troutman goes back to the penitentiary, gets

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Speaker 2: Rambo out after that crazy night up in Port up

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Speaker 2: in Oregon. You tell Northwest, Yeah, and then they call

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Speaker 2: him out and go back into Vietnam to get those POWs.

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Speaker 4: I'd go, it's kind of like your movie. I'd go, Okay,

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't come out just to get.

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Speaker 2: You our mystery guest, Our mystery guest. It's Kyle Carroll. Yeah, Kyle,

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Speaker 2: awesome to have you.

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Speaker 8: Man.

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Speaker 1: Came all the way from north west Missouri.

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Speaker 2: North of the river.

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Speaker 7: Good to be here on a great Arkansas spring day. Yeah. Man.

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Speaker 2: So I intentionally have held off like talking to Kyle

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Speaker 2: before he got here. When the time I was on

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Speaker 2: Meat Eater, Uh, Steve Ronella wouldn't talk to me before

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Speaker 2: I came.

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Speaker 1: I was there like a little early, and I was.

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Speaker 2: Just like, what a jerk and uh, And then I

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Speaker 2: realized it was actually, it's a podcast strategy, and other

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Speaker 2: podcasts that I've been on people have done that, They've

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Speaker 2: not wanted to talk to you beforehand. So Kyle came

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Speaker 2: in and I was like, oh, sorry, I can't talk

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Speaker 7: But well, Brenda understand this. If you're on time, you're

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Speaker 7: late five minutes early. I did send a text, don't

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Speaker 7: shoot I'm coming in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Now listen, y'all don't probably don't know this.

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Speaker 2: Do you see this? This painting right here of Tecumsa.

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Speaker 2: I put that on my Instagram a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 2: This is a what kind of what medium is that?

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Speaker 7: The original was an oil painting and oil oil oil

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Speaker 7: on I think it was on linen, maybe oil on canvas,

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Speaker 7: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, So Kyle is an artist, a distinguished artist,

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Speaker 2: which we're getting very interested in. This is to surprise you.

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Speaker 2: He's a he was a he's a retired game boarding Missouri.

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Speaker 6: I didn't know that.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know that those two things could exist in

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Speaker 2: the same person.

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Speaker 7: Two game boards in a room kind of sort of.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sustin or.

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Speaker 6: Second.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So how long have you been doing art that

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Speaker 1: you know?

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Speaker 7: I started actually out of uh when I went to

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Speaker 7: college as an art major, and and I had to

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Speaker 7: decide the first year.

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Speaker 6: A lot of art majors law enforcement or art.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, going on paint over hook yet. No, it

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Speaker 7: was just I didn't really know for sure what I

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Speaker 7: that I kind of wanted to work like for for

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Speaker 7: Missouri Missouri Conservation Department, and I knew they had one artist,

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Speaker 7: so I'm thinking, how's that gonna work, you know. And

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Speaker 7: then about the same time I was interested in applying

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Speaker 7: owming in the summers. And so the summer that freshman year,

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Speaker 7: as a game ward. Okay, so I went ahead and

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Speaker 7: switched to biology as a major, and so I just

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Speaker 7: I never really left it, but I didn't start doing

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Speaker 1: So you were always as a good artist, just naturally.

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Speaker 7: Well yeah, I mean my mom kind of encouraged it,

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Speaker 7: and I always I drew stuff in entertained my brothers

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Speaker 2: Nice. So what kind of stuff did you draw when

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Speaker 2: you were a kid, Like if your notebook was out

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Speaker 2: in front of you during class what would.

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Speaker 7: Probably two things. It's either wildlife or there were bombs

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So this where did you get this image

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Speaker 2: of tacumsa because you painted it? But were you looking

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Speaker 7: That's it interesting that you asked that because I was

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Speaker 7: asked to do that for a project that was put

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Speaker 7: in Tennessee and really probably the reason I'm in any

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Speaker 7: kind of artists today is his mentorship. But he was

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Speaker 7: working on that that gun in the end, the painting

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Speaker 7: is actually a gun that's in the Museum of the

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Speaker 7: Fur Trade that has the UH can be traced back

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Speaker 7: to tokumps And so they wanted they add a group

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Speaker 7: that went out and they actually let them photograph it,

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Speaker 7: take it apart, and they made an exact replica. And

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Speaker 7: then when that story was going to be in the magazine,

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Speaker 7: are no picture where you you know from your research,

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Speaker 7: there's really no picture of takumpasas. So that's a compilation

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Speaker 7: pretty tattooed. So it's just sort of what we know,

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Speaker 2: We did have a couple of legitimate portrait artists that

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Speaker 2: painted him, yes, and so you I guess you had

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Speaker 7: I had seen those, and I use some of what

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Speaker 7: Ostrich plume was something that they had done before.

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Speaker 1: That always throws me off.

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Speaker 2: You kind of have this romantic idea of Native Americans

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Speaker 2: huge Ostrich plume. It's just interesting.

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Speaker 1: Because that's what that's what they said he wore.

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Speaker 7: I read it somewhere.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, absolutely, he was described. You know, back in

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well that's the original went to a collector in Ohio.

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Speaker 7: Pretty close to where it comes was from.

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Speaker 1: And how big was the original painting.

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Speaker 7: I don't remember it. It's a little bit bigger than that.

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Speaker 7: That's probably nine by twelve ish. I think what we

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Speaker 7: but I don't I don't remember. But it wasn't no, no, no, I.

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Speaker 1: Thought I thought maybe a big one. Taking some heat

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Speaker 2: It's a it's a The beep that you just heard

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Speaker 2: was not a burrito going off. It was not a garment.

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Speaker 2: It was not a burrito in a microwave. It's a

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Speaker 2: battery pack from my computer. Somebody, somebody wrote me a

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Speaker 2: very long, thoughtful email this week about how they thought

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Speaker 2: it was my laptop and they were worried that my

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Speaker 2: laptop was going to die. And so I'm working on that. Actually,

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Speaker 2: every time that beeps during a render, we're going to

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Speaker 2: give away thirty Unty's favorite conservation organization.

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Speaker 1: That's a joke.

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Speaker 7: You know. One benefit of not being able to hear

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Speaker 7: real well out of my left ear is I don't

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Speaker 7: hear it. I did not hear the beat.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it was loud.

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Speaker 2: The oh shoot, oh, I was going to say, or

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Speaker 2: is going to ask you, what's your favorite, Like, do

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Speaker 2: you you have a bunch of art? I mean, like

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Speaker 2: you've got a lot of this kind of pain. What's

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Speaker 2: some of your favorites stuff you've done.

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Speaker 7: I use what I like at least, and I'm not

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Speaker 7: It's just I just posted it, okay, recent posting, So.

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Speaker 7: Of Actually I never did work for them as an artist.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I want to I want to come

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Speaker 9: Outline of self bow that I'm making an O Sage

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Speaker 2: Someone who doesn't just knows that archery means something that

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Speaker 9: And then we cut off our place here yep, that's

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Speaker 4: So yeah, you won't find one of those where I live.

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Speaker 3: So he's making a self bow until we get an

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's going like that. Dude, what was that?

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Speaker 1: Had the long hair? I met the guy about him? Oh,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's where Bears bears going.

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Speaker 4: I thought I thought I had something to do with No, Okay,

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Speaker 6: And I always thought he was going to be an engineer.

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Speaker 2: That reminds me of you know that, you know that

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Speaker 2: Is it's John Daley and they've they've cropped a coonskin.

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Speaker 2: And you thought Bear would be an engineer, he still

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Speaker 3: He'seering that boat, that's right, Uh huh, Yeah, yep.

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Speaker 6: I'm pretty happy with how Bears turned out. I'm good.

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Speaker 1: He's not done yet. He's just a kid.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think he's head towards engineering though.

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Speaker 2: So Kyle, you you were, you were a Missouri game

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Speaker 2: more than for twenty seven years. Yeah, that's right, just

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Speaker 1: What region of the state, did you.

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Speaker 7: In the northwest part? Okay, all the time? I pretty

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Speaker 7: what would that be in today's dollars seventy bucks or something?

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Speaker 7: Be crazy, crazy, it'd be better.

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Speaker 4: It'd be better than a dollar and a half, because

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, an engineering that's I got a question about engineers.

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Speaker 1: You can you can shoot me straight here.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So we did this Donnie Baker's yes, yes, about Missouri. Yes,

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Speaker 7: No? No, I didn't think so well, I thought it

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Speaker 7: Holy cow. Yeah, though, I mean.

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Speaker 2: Because I basically I didn't I didn't give them. I

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Speaker 1: That's who I wanted. Wasn't that I couldn't do that.

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Speaker 2: So there were I could have had other people in

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Speaker 1: That's kind of what I'm getting out.

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Speaker 7: I thought that was completely fair. I thought it was

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Speaker 7: I don't think it was They're a problem at all.

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, yeah, good. So it's good here.

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Speaker 1: So what's the main in your twenty seven years?

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Speaker 4: What would you.

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Speaker 2: Say was the bulk of the what were you patrolling for? Like,

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Speaker 2: it might be people fishing without a license.

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Speaker 1: What was going on?

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Speaker 7: Well, in that period of time, it changed obviously, when

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Speaker 2: So, oh really, can you can you go in any

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Speaker 7: Well, Uh, yeah, I guess I could. It was it

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Speaker 7: The guys had shot a quail off of a fence post.

443
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Speaker 7: Somebody called us about that when we when I went

444
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 7: with actually I called another agent friend of mine when

445
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 7: when he and I went to investigate it. Uh, something

446
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 7: just didn't that app It didn't smell right there. Like

447
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 7: all those guys they were from Kentucky. They worked for me.

448
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 7: I'll just pay their fine. It's okay. Well, nobody just

449
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 7: wants to pay them, you know. So we did a

450
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 7: little check in with Kentucky and figured out who we

451
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 7: were dealing with, figuring out like something else. Long story short,

452
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 7: it was with the highway patrol and investigation through the

453
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 7: summer and to take down the fall. It's a couple

454
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 7: of farms seized and so they're looking around.

455
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 2: They had a marijuana they were growing illegal marijuana in Missouri. Yes,

456
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 2: and these guys from another state had come in and

457
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 2: shot at Quail.

458
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 7: Well they the guys were from another state that were

459
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 7: doing it. They were all from Kentucky.

460
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Speaker 4: Uhh.

461
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 7: And they would they had they would take it back

462
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 7: to Kentucky and trucks looked like farm Gate.

463
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 4: Quick.

464
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, that wasn't and that's that's kind of what was

465
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 7: going on there. So yeah, it was that got to

466
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 7: be a pretty hairy situation. So we had a couple

467
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 7: of people ended up dead and questionable suicide supposed to

468
00:23:58,119 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 7: be suicide, but I don't know if it was or not,

469
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 7: you know kind of thing. So yeah, it was an

470
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 7: interesting time for a little while.

471
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 4: Sometimes people steal more change and they can swim with

472
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 4: that's right.

473
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 2: And they sink that's what that means. I just got

474
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 2: done with a very interesting book. I wish I could

475
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 2: figure out a way to do a bear grease podcast

476
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,919
Speaker 2: on it. It's a book called When Money Grew on

477
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 2: Trees and it's about Uh I just picked it up.

478
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 4: Oh is that about to share?

479
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 2: It's about It was written by a guy named David Mack.

480
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 2: It's kind of When I got the book, it was

481
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 2: it was like a I felt like it was going

482
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 2: to be like a homegrown like self published.

483
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:38,679
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I'm just so cold.

484
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 1: Yep, you're hurting my bear.

485
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 2: There we go. I thought it was going to be

486
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 2: like this homegrown, not that well put together book. It's

487
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 2: called When Money Grows on Trees from by David Mack,

488
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 2: and it's about the sheriff in Madison County, Arkansas named

489
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 2: Ralph Baker who's dead now, and he was a he was.

490
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: A really crooked sheriff.

491
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 2: But basically the story is about how this guy, David Mack,

492
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 2: who's also now dead, for about ten years he was

493
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 2: growing marijuana in Madison County at the marijuana boom. It's

494
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 2: kind of funny, like Brent spent his life fighting illegal

495
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 2: drugs and then now a lot of these drugs are

496
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 2: not a lot are some of them are are legal?

497
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 4: Yeah?

498
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 1: Did you know that upset Sprent?

499
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 4: That's the next verse. Yeah.

500
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

501
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 2: Anyway, there was a lot of marijuana.

502
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: Was a big deal.

503
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 2: Marijuana was being grown in wild places, so game Mordans

504
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 2: interacted with marijuana.

505
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: Look, is that right?

506
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, we didn't have it so much in the northern

507
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 7: part of Missouri. That was more like.

508
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 4: Hard to start to hide it in the planes.

509
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 7: Well, what they did was they they'd planted in corn.

510
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 7: See corn was so cheap back then that they would

511
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 7: go in and take out individual rose of corn, hide

512
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 7: it in the corn. Unless you flew over it, you

513
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 7: weren't going to see it. So that's kind of what that.

514
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 7: But what these guys are probably you're talking about, is

515
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 7: in the in the national forests and places, they plight

516
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 7: it back up the hollers.

517
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 2: And yeah they were. They were growing it all over,

518
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 2: making which.

519
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 4: Is this is just like thirty miles from here.

520
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're making a ton of money. Wild, wild, wild stories,

521
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 2: just unbelievable stories. Ralph Baker was.

522
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 7: Like Copperhead Road, baby, Yeah, that's what that's like.

523
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: So Kyle, your game warden?

524
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 2: What are you are you?

525
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 4: Like?

526
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 2: How do you approach enforcement? Were you I don't know,

527
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 2: you're you're such a.

528
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: Nice guy, nice law enforce.

529
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're way too. No, were you able to

530
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 2: put on a hard face and bust somebody in the chops?

531
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 1: Not physically like metaphorically when you needed to?

532
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 7: You never wanted to do that. You didn't enjoy doing that.

533
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 7: But yeah, uh, the only way I could describe, but

534
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 7: if I was telling somebody like if Bear's gonna take

535
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 7: my job, and he's gonna run, he's he's gonna start. Yeah,

536
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 7: I'm gonna say, look, you you're gonna you're gonna be

537
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 7: here for a long time. Your kids are gonna go

538
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 7: to school with everybody's kids here. You know, treat people

539
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 7: the way you want to be treated, and you can't

540
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 7: be behind every tree. You have got to have cooperation.

541
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 7: You've got to have people that will say, look, you

542
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 7: need to know about this. You didn't hear it from me.

543
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,239
Speaker 7: But so that's the only way that works when you

544
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 7: have four or five hundred square miles or one of you. Uh,

545
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 7: it's not it's not like other kinds of law enforcement.

546
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 7: And in a way it is. I mean, you have

547
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 7: to have that kind of same rapport with people you

548
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 7: work with, even the bad guys got to If you

549
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 7: don't treat them with respect, you're not gonna get respect.

550
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 7: So you have to do that. I think that's a prerequisite.

551
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: You know, yes, yeah, so that makes sense.

552
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, so then when when it when it does go bad, uh,

553
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 7: you know, they're they're actually sometimes will come come and

554
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 7: help you, or you know, if you're finding somebody on

555
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 7: the bank, which I know ever had this happen to me,

556
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 7: but I had other guys that they have guys come

557
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 7: pile in help them get everything straightened up, you know.

558
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 2: So, yeah, what's the This is such a cliche question,

559
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: and I've asked this to almost every law enforcement person

560
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 2: I've ever dealt with.

561
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, law enforcement people.

562
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 2: It this is equivalent to someone asking me, Hey, Clay,

563
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: have you ever been attacked by a bear? And I'm

564
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 2: just like, come on, don't you have a better question

565
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 2: than that. What's the wildest thing you've ever been a

566
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 2: part of in law enforcement? Like a big sting or

567
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 2: something a shootout?

568
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 7: Like what? Here's the thing if if if I thought

569
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 7: for five minutes, i'd tell you something i'd have I'd

570
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 7: tell you something different tomorrow probably. I mean, it's just

571
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 7: it just depends on what what the thing was.

572
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:51,719
Speaker 1: Do you ever felt really in danger?

573
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 7: There are times there were I mean there were some

574
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 7: times where the hair stand up on your neck pretty good,

575
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 7: you know. Yeah, I mean I probably as a trooper

576
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 7: you had to deal with that more often than so.

577
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: You were a state trooper too.

578
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 7: I retired as a trooper. Yeah, I went over when

579
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 7: I was You.

580
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 2: Were Game Warning for twenty seven and then worked as

581
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 2: a Missouri State trooper.

582
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 7: Right, that's that's why I retired as a trooper, so gotcha.

583
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 7: And the context a number of contexts as a trooper

584
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 7: does in a year's time, or like ten times what

585
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 7: a what a game board does. So game boards all

586
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 7: around people with firearms and everything all the time by

587
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 7: yourself a lot, it's different, you know. But just approaching cars,

588
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 7: night time stuff, search and buildings, drugs, people, you don't.

589
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 7: People are just on a cell phone hitting you on

590
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 7: the side of the road. It's probably as scary as anything.

591
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 7: So uh so I.

592
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 4: Don't quite as flashy to talk about though.

593
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 7: No, it's not. It's not the way you want to

594
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 7: want to go on a shootout, you know, you don't

595
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 7: want to.

596
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 2: Go well, you know, it's like, uh, it's kind of

597
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 2: like training a mule. If you do it right, he

598
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 2: doesn't bust.

599
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 7: No true troopers and mules.

600
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: That yeah, it makes perfect sense.

601
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: I'm surprised you all didn't go with the analogy yourself.

602
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 2: If you if you do it right, the meal doesn't

603
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: buck and it's non climactic. So in a way, if

604
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: you're doing it right, like you de escalate situation, that's

605
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 2: don't get in trouble, you don't get shot at.

606
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 7: That's the skill is you're trying to get somebody to

607
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 7: do something you don't want them to do, they don't

608
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 7: want to do, and you're going to talk talking them

609
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 7: into it's easier than force them into.

610
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 8: Yeah right, I mean that's that's I mean, that's so fair. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

611
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 8: one hundred percent. You just try to always let them

612
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 8: dictate the level of That's right. How we talked, you know,

613
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 8: how I talked to them, and yeah, lots of times,

614
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 8: you know, escalated quickly. But you got to be on

615
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 8: top of that kind of stuff.

616
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: And were you were you a game more than Missouri

617
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine.

618
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 7: No, seven would have been my last okay, right, So

619
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 7: you know what I was thinking about though, when you

620
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 7: had that date only with Donnie was the five hundred

621
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 7: dollars I think was the maximum fine.

622
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: You could get really really at that time.

623
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 7: I think that was for white tail, well, for for

624
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 7: for any misdemeanor.

625
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: While is that right?

626
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 4: Yeah?

627
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 7: So so now once in a while there'd be a

628
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 7: hunting privileges could be revoked or something like that. That'd

629
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 7: be the most serious thing probably would happen, even if

630
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 7: you seize the firearm unless the judge orders that destroyed.

631
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 7: Usually that went back.

632
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 2: So huh, yeah, there's a lot different now, probably, I

633
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: would imagine.

634
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 7: I don't think it's I think there was some adjustment

635
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 7: to that in general, but it's not that much different.

636
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 7: They don't have liquidated damages, I'm pretty sure.

637
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: What about trophy penalties.

638
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 7: That they don't have that?

639
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 4: Iowa has thirty grand.

640
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 7: Podcast, I don't hear it.

641
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: Interesting, Yeah, so you don't think they have a trophy penalty?

642
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 7: No, A lot of states do, Yeah, I know Iowa does.

643
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 7: I think maybe Kansas does. I'm not sure, but uh,

644
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 7: not so much for so many points or what the

645
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 7: deer scores. We don't have that mm I. Any less,

646
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 7: it's changed after I was there, and I don't think

647
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 7: it has.

648
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,959
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, okay, so interesting.

649
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: Interesting. Why would it have only been five hundred dollars.

650
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,239
Speaker 7: That was that's the maximum for a misdemeanor crime. So

651
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 7: whether it's you know, you threw a beer can out

652
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 7: the window, maybe it's twenty five bucks, maybe throw the

653
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 7: whole box out, maybe that was hot. You know, it

654
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 7: could go up to the range that was a range, Yeah.

655
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 4: It's a thousand here let's just change.

656
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, and really it may be a thousand there now too,

657
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 7: because there was an adjustment to that whole criminal code

658
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 7: about that time. And of course once you're once you

659
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 7: it's not your thing every day. Well you could get

660
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 7: by me, but it wouldn't shock me if it's a thousand.

661
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 7: Put it that way.

662
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 2: So interesting. We need to talk about American wilderness, all right. Uh,

663
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 2: Kyle told me that he's he's been reading Roderic Nash's

664
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 2: Wilderness in the American Mind, which is didn't you tell

665
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 2: me that? Man? I sent that book to uh two

666
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 2: people who will remain unnamed. They're not in this uh

667
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 2: in this uh in this room.

668
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 4: That were a couple of nerds.

669
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I actually sent it to him to read

670
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 2: because I wanted to be a guest on the podcast.

671
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 2: And they were basically like, uh, no things.

672
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: So I love the book.

673
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 5: Yeah.

674
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: It was interesting to hear some criticism of the book

675
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 2: from from some of my guests. But uh, American Wilderness,

676
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 2: there's so much I wanna I want to I want

677
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 2: to talk about.

678
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: Let me let me run through the list here.

679
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 2: So we talked about the myth of American wilderness, and

680
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 2: the myth was connected to this in a way towards

681
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 2: the end of the podcast about the irony of American wilderness.

682
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 2: You know how we you know, perceived a wilderness and

683
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 2: then but then also later tried to after we had

684
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: destroyed all the wilderness, tried to save some of it.

685
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 2: And that's when I wrote the fourth verse to Ironic

686
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 2: by Atlantis Morse.

687
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 4: My friend Colts imposed down in Texas. He sent me

688
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 4: a message said, friends don't let their friends.

689
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 2: I told I actually I literally sent it to Phil

690
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 2: Taylor at Meat Eater and said, Phil, I fully intend

691
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 2: for this to be taken out.

692
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 1: You let me know. And he wrote me back and he.

693
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 2: Was like, I love it, Clay, you got to take

694
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 2: it risk. I guess that's what we do every week,

695
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 2: is put our necks on the line.

696
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 1: Okay, a myth of wilderness.

697
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 2: And then we talked about how scarcity is a more

698
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 2: powerful thing than than than plenty. We talked about pragmatism,

699
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 2: rock and ice, and then on the Bear Grease Academy

700
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 2: pop quiz who wrote the Frontier thesis? Who wrote it?

701
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 2: You know, we'll tell y.

702
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 7: You've talked about Frederick Jackson.

703
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 2: Turner's right, you have got that dude, This was on

704
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 2: the Bear Grease Academy. Now this series leans on more

705
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: of the academic side of what we do on Bear Grease.

706
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: Okay, the Donnie.

707
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: I feel like this year we've kind of gone to

708
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 2: the pendulum, the pendulum of of kind of topics, Like

709
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 2: the Donnie Baker story was this modern you know, didn't

710
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 2: have anything to do with history, and it was this

711
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 2: very huge It was a human interest story about wildlife crime,

712
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 2: which is really cool. Which those are hard to come by.

713
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 2: I mean, I probably do one like that, you know,

714
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 2: ten times a year if I could get them in hand.

715
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,959
Speaker 2: They're just hard to come by when they work like that.

716
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 7: There's not very many Donny Baker's. That's the problem.

717
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's true.

718
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, But this one, to me is just as core

719
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,959
Speaker 2: to I feel like what we're doing here at Bear

720
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 2: Grease because I think these things like I was an

721
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 2: adult really before I learned about the really American history,

722
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 2: the history of wilderness and all this stuff, and I

723
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 2: looked back into the previous thirty years and was like, oh,

724
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 2: that's where all that came from. So it's almost like

725
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: I was reading a history book about myself. I wasn't

726
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 2: learning new ways to think a lot of these ways,

727
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: I thought, and it was it was so revelatory to

728
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: me to come into a position of understanding about why

729
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 2: as a Americans we think about wild places the way

730
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 2: we do, and particularly as Americans that love to hunt

731
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: and fish, we would be on the extreme of people

732
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 2: that probably are thinking about wild places. There are others

733
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 2: that don't hunt and fish that think about wild places,

734
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 2: but we think about it in a particular way, And

735
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 2: to me, that's really fascinating when you look back and

736
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 2: see how you've been influenced unknowingly by culture. And that

737
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: kind of goes back to the first episode when I

738
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 2: was talking Steve Vanella and I messed up and brought

739
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 2: up throat, But what I really was trying to ask him,

740
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 2: What I was really trying to ask him was how

741
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 2: have you been influenced unknowingly just because you're an American

742
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 2: to think about wild places?

743
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 4: You know?

744
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: And I think if I had asked that question, he

745
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 2: might have answered a little different. But I know how

746
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: I would answer is that I'm like, dude, I have

747
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: a like I'm very much so influenced by my culture.

748
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 2: But uh, who would like to start what what stood

749
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 2: out to you about the second part.

750
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 4: I'll tell you. What was cool to me was listening

751
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 4: to the Rough Draft talking about Yellowstone. Well, you and

752
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 4: I were riding through Yellowstone. Yeah. Yeah, the stuff they

753
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 4: were talking about of finding value in something and looking

754
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 4: at the window and being able to see it. Yeah,

755
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 4: that was that was a double for me.

756
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 2: But it's just Brent and I were in Bozeman last

757
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 2: week and yeah, I had to listen to the podcast

758
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 2: before it came out, and so we were in a

759
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 2: truck with Corey Coins for Meat Eater driving through Yellowstone

760
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 2: looking at bison.

761
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: We saw, Brent saw a wolf.

762
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was very cool.

763
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 2: We saw big horn sheep. We were like driving through

764
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 2: and we're listening to this podcast about wilderness where we

765
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 2: talked about the creation of Yellowstone.

766
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it was just it was just very I

767
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 4: wouldn't have gotten I didn't get more out of it

768
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 4: by being there, but it was something I could, I

769
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 4: could hear, and usually when I'm visualized in my mind,

770
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 4: like you're talking about the cumpsor or any Daniel Boone

771
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 4: or anything else. But I was able to look out

772
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 4: and see the tangible benefits of what had taken place

773
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 4: and what had been preserved and that's it was pretty

774
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 4: awesome to be able to do that. And during that

775
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 4: time of year, there wasn't a lot of people there.

776
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 4: I mean there were stretches of road that we drove

777
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 4: down there that we were only folks driving. Yeah, you know,

778
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 4: for a few minutes, we didn't see anyone cool. So

779
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 4: it's it's easy to see. I'm glad they saw the

780
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 4: value back then. I'm glad they saw it. It could

781
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 4: have been any number of historical things that could have

782
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 4: happened and that never taking place. You think about the

783
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 4: what it took for all that to happen, for Roosevelt

784
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 4: to be president, for him to have the feelings that

785
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 4: he had towards things that everyone in this room still

786
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 4: has that same love and respect for wilderness, whether it's

787
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 4: a capital W or either one. Which wilderness is wilderness

788
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 4: to me. I dig it all, you know. I dig

789
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 4: the scope of woods right here behind your house that

790
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 4: you talk about not being really big, but it's all

791
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 4: relative to where you are experience. You can only take

792
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 4: up so much space regardless of where you are, So

793
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 4: you know, one hundred acres doesn't look any different than

794
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 4: two million.

795
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 2: Because we had a review on iTunes where a guy

796
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 2: that I think is a like likes the Beggars podcast,

797
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 2: but he's he's written several reviews and he's, uh, I'm

798
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 2: gonna call him out.

799
00:40:58,360 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 4: I love it.

800
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 1: He says, I'm a Bison, not a buffalo. That's his name.

801
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 2: And he said, listening to a bunch of Easterners squabble

802
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 2: that Yellowstone isn't wild or wilderness is laughable. Over two

803
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 2: million acres of back country of an intact ecosystem, pre

804
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 2: European contact and harboring the most remote area from the

805
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 2: lower forty A da da da da da.

806
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: I was trying to remember did we talk about I

807
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: think maybe in the first render somebody said, well, if

808
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 1: Yellowstone's really a wilderness, and that was Josh. I think

809
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: mister Buffalo, Miss mister Buffalo, our dear friend, mister Buffalo.

810
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 3: I may I alluded to that there were wilderness areas

811
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 3: in a not capital w wilderness areas, and mister Newcomb

812
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 3: shot me down.

813
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 2: Now, I mean it may have been me, but I

814
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 2: don't think if we got down to it, that I

815
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 2: was saying Yellowstone isn't wild. What I was saying is

816
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 2: that highway corridors, the highway.

817
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 4: Is accusing you of being an Easterner.

818
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 2: It looks sounds like it. Oh that's a first well,

819
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: I mean the cardinal direction is all the matter of perspective.

820
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 4: That's profound t shirt.

821
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 2: No, so I stand correct about it. I mean, yeah,

822
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 2: Yellowstone is a massive wilderness. Yea, it is the highway

823
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 2: corridors during the tourist months, like, it doesn't feel like

824
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 2: a wilderness.

825
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 7: There was a statement in the tail end of that

826
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 7: book of Nash's book about the lower forty eight. Anyway,

827
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 7: whatever the figure is, when you see that, what the

828
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 7: wilderness number of wilderness acres in the United States sounds

829
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 7: like a lot. It's equal to what we have paved.

830
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 4: Wow.

831
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: Wow, that's interesting.

832
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 7: That gives you kind of a perspective. Really, it's in

833
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 7: the last part of that if.

834
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: It's in Nash's book.

835
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 2: He did a revised version of that book in the

836
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 2: last like fifteen.

837
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 7: I think that's what he wrote.

838
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 2: He originally wrote that book in nineteen sixty seven as

839
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: a like a doctoral thesis, and then he revised it.

840
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 2: But I was surprised to learn and it still seems

841
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 2: like a lot to me. But this is the research

842
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: that I found that there's one hundred and eleven million

843
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 2: acres in America that are designated as federal wilderness, which

844
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 2: is about five percent of the total land mass of America.

845
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:17,959
Speaker 4: I still don't really it's a lot, and kept saying

846
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 4: that's a lot, dude.

847
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 2: That's a lot of lank five percent, but five.

848
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: Percent of federal wilderness.

849
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 7: But that includes Alaska.

850
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: Now probably it does, and much of it's in Alasta.

851
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 7: So if you take yes, I think it was something

852
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 7: like two percent whatever it was, the figure in the

853
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 7: lower forty eight equals to paved acres.

854
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's why two percent is what I think.

855
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 2: That's it worked off of before that two percent is wilderness.

856
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 2: But maybe it's two percent of the lower forty eight.

857
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 2: I'm not sure.

858
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I found it interesting that the census caused

859
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 3: so much of a stir.

860
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 4: That people have angst.

861
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, that people had the that that was a thought

862
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 3: to say, wait a minute, yeah, this is what defines us.

863
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 3: And it's gone, like, what are we going to do now?

864
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 3: How are we going to raise American kids? They're just

865
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 3: going to be like every other kid.

866
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 2: Well, think about eighteen ninety Yeah, in the country was

867
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: founded in seventeen seventy six. So for one hundred and

868
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 2: twenty five years, basically, well one hundred and fifteen years,

869
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 2: there had been a frontier. Yeah, I mean for a

870
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 2: century there was a frontier. If you were an American,

871
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: you could go to that frontier, like if you wanted

872
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: to risk risk it for the biscuit, go west twice.

873
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 7: And you have not said wimplification.

874
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I got it right down, and we got

875
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: to talk about whimpification.

876
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 4: Yeah.

877
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 2: Well, just you can see how it could be etched

878
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: into American ideals of just what it meant to be

879
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 2: an American. I messed up on the naming of this podcast.

880
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 2: I named this podcast in haste. I should have named

881
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 2: it Homo americanas that's that's what doctor Sarah Dant said,

882
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 2: and that's a term that's used by by historians when

883
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 2: they talk about America. And the idea is that there

884
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 2: was this you know, new new kind of person created

885
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 2: in the world, you know, the American.

886
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 3: And it is a pretty unique experience, the American experience,

887
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 3: especially during that time.

888
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

889
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 7: Well, another thing that happened that helped turn the tide,

890
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 7: you know, from the Howling Wilderness to the wilderness we

891
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 7: wanted to protect was as a young country. We didn't

892
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 7: have these big fancy you know, taj mahals and all

893
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 7: these things over back in Europe. But we had wilderness.

894
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 7: And once it looked like we were we could run

895
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 7: out of that, that changed it. We wanted that. We've

896
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 7: we've identified with that as Americans. It is Yeah.

897
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: To me, that's one of the most fascinating things is that, Yeah,

898
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:03,959
Speaker 2: we a our artists are our painters. They focused on Well, mister,

899
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 2: what was this that you said about.

900
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 5: That two thirds of the world lives in urbanized areas today?

901
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 5: And I was actually just looking just at a map

902
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,760
Speaker 5: here and if you so, if you look at this map,

903
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 5: it's like a line graph that has a huge jump

904
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 5: in eighteen hundreds and it you know, continues to peak

905
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 5: out in the nineteen hundreds when when people were moving

906
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 5: to urban areas. And I was looking at that and

907
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 5: then you can see it compared to this map, like

908
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 5: the the graph.

909
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: Uh interpreted, No, just interpret them.

910
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 5: Well, I'm just I was just thinking about I was

911
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 5: looking at that graph because I was thinking about the

912
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 5: time that Josh was saying that angst was was happening.

913
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 5: It was happening when there was this huge upswing in

914
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 5: people moving, people move into the urban areas, and now

915
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 5: it's you know, it's increased so much more. And they

916
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 5: project that you know, by by twenty fifty, I think

917
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 5: it's like maybe even eighty percent of people. And there's arguments,

918
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 5: there's arguments about those numbers. It really depends on how

919
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 5: you define an urban area. You know, if you a

920
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 5: town in a suburb, you know, it really does depend

921
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 5: on how you how you define the area. So there's

922
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 5: a lot of arguments around it. But it's it's dramatically

923
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:20,439
Speaker 5: increased and we're becoming more urbanized and and yeah, it's

924
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 5: it's just kind of fascinating how if you if you're

925
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 5: in an urban area, how you would and if people

926
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 5: were at that time, if the US was becoming more urbanized,

927
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 5: how it would create that sense of anxiety.

928
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 6: But it's interesting to me.

929
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 5: It's a sense of anxiety, but there's still no one

930
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 5: stayed in the wilderness, right, is kind of.

931
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,919
Speaker 2: Well, and it would be way different now the back

932
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 2: in those days, people were so much more in touch with,

933
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 2: you know, the natural landscape. Yeah, what I think about

934
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 2: when you say that two thirds of the world is urbanized,

935
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,479
Speaker 2: I don't know what that would be in the US.

936
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 2: But what does somebody that's lived their whole life in

937
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 2: one of the major cities in the US and you

938
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 2: talk to them about wilderness, like, what do they.

939
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: What's their thought on it?

940
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 2: And you know, I'm sure there's some people that live

941
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 2: in the cities that would love wilderness and value it,

942
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 2: but I'm sure there's a lot of people that have

943
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 2: never been there. They have no context the value of it.

944
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 7: Well, that part where you were talking about definitions of

945
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 7: wilderness was pretty interesting because that is I mean, when

946
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 7: you guys run the Mississippi excuse me, and it's night

947
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 7: time and you're inside those levees, you're pretty much out

948
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 7: there by yourself. Yeah, but it's not a it's not

949
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 7: designative wilderness, but it's a wild country.

950
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

951
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think it's interesting if you look I mean,

952
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 5: and let's just take the US. If you look at

953
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 5: the US and you look at where all the population

954
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 5: centers are. I mean, this comes up every year, every

955
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 5: single year when we talk about voting, because so much

956
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 5: of the US is population is those people.

957
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 6: Live in New York City, LA. You know, these big,

958
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:05,720
Speaker 6: these big.

959
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 5: Hubs on the coast, and that's why they call the

960
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 5: middle part of the US, the flyover States, because it's

961
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 5: you fly over one the and it's a it's a

962
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 5: big deal because they're making decisions politically that impact the

963
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 5: whole country because there's more of them than there are

964
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:23,959
Speaker 5: the people in the middle. And so if you're thinking

965
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 5: about the value of wilderness and you think about the

966
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 5: people who are choosing to live outside of the wilderness,

967
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 5: not just outside of it, but far far away from

968
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 5: it and maybe never experiencing it, and that's the majority

969
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 5: of the people now, then what how does that impact

970
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 5: the decisions that are made in those places and whether

971
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 5: people value it or not. And it's I've heard people

972
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 5: I would not call us urban, like I some definitions

973
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 5: would put us urban right here where we where we're

974
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,760
Speaker 5: sitting right now, and I would not. I would there's

975
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 5: nothing to me urban about this location. But I've talked

976
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 5: to people and they talk about like research and things

977
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 5: that we're spending money on, and you know, the.

978
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 6: What's that little lizard?

979
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 4: Is it?

980
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 6: The ozark? Hell bender? Is that what it's called? You know?

981
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 5: And they want to know, like, why are we spending

982
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 5: any money? Who cares if that little.

983
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 7: It's a salamander?

984
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 6: It's a it's a salamander.

985
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, who cares? Who cares if those things if we

986
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 5: if those things are extinct or not. And and I

987
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 5: just think about some of the things that you value

988
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 5: about the wilderness areas you have to that value comes from.

989
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: Expos Yeah, yeah, Bear, what stood out to you?

990
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 9: Well, whenever I was listening to the first one, whenever

991
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 9: you said it was going to be about wilderness, like

992
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 9: just looking at the title here and you talk about it,

993
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 9: it didn't really make sense to me, like what story

994
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 9: could even be behind wilderness? And I thought it was

995
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 9: interesting how like you kind of you talked about how

996
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 9: like even just being an American can shape your perception

997
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 9: of wilderness. Whenever I really thought about it, like I

998
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 9: was just thinking about like the way that I look

999
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 9: at everything, Like whenever I'm like in a city and

1000
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 9: I see, like, you know, a strip mall, I'm thinking

1001
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:09,919
Speaker 9: like what was there before that?

1002
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,919
Speaker 1: Like what what would have been there two hundred years ago?

1003
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 9: And so I think part of it could have just

1004
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 9: been like the way that you know, I was raised,

1005
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 9: and even like the way that like we hunt is

1006
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 9: like we try to go as deep as we can,

1007
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 9: and there's there's more value to something if you if

1008
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 9: you really kill it like wild, like like with a

1009
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 9: self bow, or like way back in a hard place. Yeah,

1010
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 9: and so I thought that that that was kind of interesting,

1011
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 9: just seeing the way that that actually did change my

1012
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 9: perceptions on like what I do.

1013
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 2: Did you see you saw some of the value systems

1014
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 2: that you had, you connected it back to deeper stuff

1015
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 2: than more than just like right, just what we've done together.

1016
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, yeah, yeah, interesting, man, I really believe.

1017
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 2: And it's happening today, So it's not that profound to

1018
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 2: say this, but the most scarce invaluable commodity on planet

1019
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 2: Earth will one day be places that are unscarred by humanity.

1020
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 2: I mean there's no way, you know, like Renella said

1021
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 2: so emphatically, you can't get it back, like very rarely

1022
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 2: do you get anything back from civilization in any reasonable

1023
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 2: amount of time. I mean, like if the Earth persists

1024
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 2: another ten thousand years and you know civilization's rise and fall,

1025
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I'm foreshadowing it, but what's gonna

1026
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 2: be on the next episode, But perhaps one day what

1027
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 2: we've done here will be ruins like what's in the

1028
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 2: Amazon that they're finding with lidar and all this stuff

1029
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,720
Speaker 2: where they're finding, like these civilizations, that nothing is left

1030
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 2: up just for a few ways they've crafted the land.

1031
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 4: And is that considered wilderness? You know what I mean?

1032
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 4: If there's ruins right right? Right? I mean, what at

1033
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,919
Speaker 4: what point does it go? Could it ever go back

1034
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 4: to wilderness? Right? It's it just won't matter to us

1035
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 4: because we'll all be dead.

1036
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 2: Well, you're right, But in here I have my eighteen

1037
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,399
Speaker 2: year old son in the room with me, and I

1038
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 2: think about, like there's something about seeing bear and mother

1039
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 2: kids grow up a little bit and become adults, and

1040
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 2: think about them having kids. Yep, and you think it's

1041
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 2: not but just like a couple of generation jumps, and

1042
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 2: you realize time is marching on, and what will the

1043
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 2: interface with wild places look like to my great great

1044
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 2: grandchildren I'll be gone, you know, Will they have the

1045
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 2: opportunity to interface with wild places like I have? And

1046
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 2: it goes back to this whole Homo americanas thing.

1047
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 1: I feel like for them to be like.

1048
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 2: Newcombs, they would have to have a wild place to

1049
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 2: interact with.

1050
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 7: You know.

1051
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 2: It's kind of a romantic idea because maybe by that

1052
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 2: time that just won't be important. Or there's you know,

1053
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 2: I let go of the legacy, like you can't hold

1054
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 2: on to it that tight. But that's why I mean,

1055
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 2: we are reaping the benefits of stuff that all these

1056
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 2: guys did back in the day. I mean kind of

1057
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 2: basically around the mid nineteenth century, in the eighteen fifties,

1058
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 2: you know, the first the preservation of land in America.

1059
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 7: Leopold and Marshall and all those.

1060
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 2: Well, it was in the eighteen thirties. And best I

1061
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 2: could tell, somebody correct me, Byson out a buffalo, you

1062
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:01,879
Speaker 2: can correct me. I'm pretty sure Springs, Arkansas was the

1063
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 2: first designation by the federal government of something that was

1064
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,399
Speaker 2: blocked off, which was surprising that they know. They call

1065
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 2: it the first national park down there, which is not

1066
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 2: quite that there's a way to spin it. Yeah, yeah,

1067
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 2: But point being, those guys started doing something, and with

1068
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 2: the trajectory as it was going, they might have said, man,

1069
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 2: what in twenty twenty four, those futuristic humans. Will they

1070
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 2: be able to shoot a deer with a bow, Will

1071
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 2: they be able to hunt elk? Will they be able

1072
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 2: to see a bison? Will they be able to interact

1073
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 2: with you know, maybe I don't know what they would

1074
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 2: have thought or if they would have cared. But we're

1075
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 2: living inside the fruit of that. So people will live

1076
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 2: point being, people will live inside the fruit of our

1077
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 2: conservation decisions today. Should the earth persist, and you know,

1078
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 2: I don't know that it will, but we're going to

1079
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 2: be two hundred and fifty years from now and they're

1080
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 2: going to be talking about what we did during this

1081
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 2: time of massive ex of civilization, like unprecedented ever before

1082
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 2: in human history. It's so you know, you wake up

1083
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 2: and planet, our time is so deceptive. You wake up

1084
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 2: and you just think it's normal. You wake up and

1085
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 2: you think having a forward truck is normal, that uses

1086
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 2: you know, fossil fuels that have been dug out of

1087
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 2: the ground, and you think that getting water out of

1088
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 2: a tap. And you think that not having polio is normal. No,

1089
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 2: it's not normal. Those things would have been normal to

1090
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 2: most of humanity. And then we also just think that

1091
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 2: that it's just we're on such a fragile a fragile

1092
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 2: place with wild places in our interaction with us.

1093
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 3: When when you and Steve were talking about the he's

1094
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 3: the analogy of the britty mix concrete. Yeah, it's like

1095
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 3: there was a point in time when really the life

1096
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 3: of an American was about dominating the frontier, going to

1097
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 3: the frontier, right, And now it's like our philosophy is

1098
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,439
Speaker 3: teaching our kids and imparting our kids into values that

1099
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 3: just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Yeah,

1100
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 3: and that that spills over into way more than just wilderness.

1101
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 3: I mean, that is a life principle that just because

1102
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 3: you can doesn't mean that you should.

1103
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 7: How Herring touched on that, you know, the last barrel

1104
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 7: of oil. Couldn't we get it? Yeah, we could get it.

1105
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 7: But as Americans, and you know, because of capitalism and

1106
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,439
Speaker 7: our way of life, we have the ability to set

1107
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 7: we have the luxury of setting those things aside.

1108
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 2: But it's yeah, yeah.

1109
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 7: The thing that stuck with me through all this is

1110
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 7: that you see through all those different periods reading that book,

1111
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 7: that they'd come up with the idea and we do,

1112
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 7: we'd do Yosemite, But then they couldn't save hitch Hitchy.

1113
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 7: Then we'd got you know, it is a constant. Just

1114
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 7: because there's wilderness designated out there now doesn't mean that

1115
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 7: when bear's sitting here some day, it'll be there. If

1116
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 7: somebody decides they want to go get something they can

1117
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 7: at the political are you know what you guys are

1118
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 7: doing with this with podcasts and what media. It's important.

1119
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1120
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 7: I mean I feel like I'm handing the baton off

1121
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 7: now to you guys. It's your turn to run with it,

1122
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 7: and you're doing a great job. But it's important that

1123
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 7: that that message is understood.

1124
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because it's.

1125
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 7: A constant gotta stay gotta stay vigilant, you know.

1126
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 5: So yeah, for sure, I could be I could be wrong,

1127
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 5: but I think that the the inspiration it was somehow

1128
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 5: influenced because they saw what was happening to Niagara Falls.

1129
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 5: Have you ever been to Niagara Falls? You've been there

1130
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 5: and and you know it's super commercialized, and that was

1131
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 5: happening way back and.

1132
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 6: Back in the day.

1133
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 5: And I mean, can you imagine what Niagara Falls would

1134
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 5: be like if you just stumbled on that, like, no,

1135
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 5: none of all the thing about, none of the shops,

1136
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 5: none of the none of that, and you just kind

1137
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 5: of walked up on that. I mean, that would be

1138
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 5: so incredible. That would be so incredible. And they were

1139
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 5: Teddy Roosevelt saw what happened there and how it had

1140
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 5: become commercialized and had basically been like, you know, a

1141
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 5: circus built right on top of this incredible wilderness area,

1142
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 5: and that was the that was in part the inspiration

1143
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 5: for preserving the other things.

1144
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 2: This series for me has been trying to understand if,

1145
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 2: in fact America had a unique ideology on wild places

1146
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 2: that was a given to me that we did. But

1147
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot of American myths that aren't real,

1148
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 2: you know, and we talk about American exceptionalism and all

1149
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 2: this stuff. You know, we like to pat ourselves on

1150
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 2: the back and say, oh, we're this great civilization and

1151
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 2: all this, and I mean, I want that to be true.

1152
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 2: And so that's kind of like, do we has the

1153
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 2: way that we've handled wilderness really? Is it really unique

1154
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 2: in the world. That's part of what I've been asking

1155
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 2: and and as it gets to the end of this,

1156
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 2: I think the answer is an emphatic Yes, we're not

1157
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 2: the only people that value wilderness, but we were. We

1158
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 2: did set a trend in the world. But it's not

1159
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 2: really comparing apples to apples if you're trying to establish

1160
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 2: like some like moral hierarchy of well, we were the

1161
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 2: civilization that that set aside wilderness because we did it.

1162
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 2: And going back to what you said and what House said.

1163
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 2: We did it because we could. We America became economically prosperous,

1164
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 2: and we had the liberty to set aside these huge

1165
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 2: wild places that we didn't have to extract resource from

1166
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 2: to feed our families. You see, prosperity is what allowed

1167
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 2: us to do this. I kind of made an analogy

1168
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 2: maybe even in the first one, about you know, sometimes

1169
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 2: you see somebody and you're like, man, why do they

1170
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 2: always why is their truck always cleaning their yard? Always mode?

1171
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 2: And they're they're this, always that, and they're this and

1172
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 2: this and this and this, and it's it's literally just

1173
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 2: they've got the they've got the money, they got the time,

1174
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 2: they got their life in order, and it's like finances

1175
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 2: is the fuel of their ability.

1176
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 1: To to do a lot of stuff. Not the perfect analogy, but.

1177
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 4: I cleaned my garage this weekend, and you're rich.

1178
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 2: Rich.

1179
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 5: No, you know, like I think about like Japanese farming

1180
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 5: practices and they're you know, how they their belief was

1181
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 5: that they were not farming for themselves, but they were

1182
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 5: farming for a future generation. And the way they had

1183
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 5: to do it was so it's not it's interesting to

1184
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 5: me because we're not the only ones who who valued

1185
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 5: preserving natural spaces for the next generation. It just looked

1186
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 5: it is a little different here. Then then we're not

1187
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 5: the only ones.

1188
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 2: Well, and it's it's different because of and And this

1189
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 2: goes back to what Dan Flores was talking about, which

1190
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 2: to me is probably the most interesting part of the

1191
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 2: whole Wilderness conversation, is that when Europeans got here, the

1192
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 2: bulk of Europeans got here, there had already been enough

1193
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 2: pre contact from Hernando de Soto and all these guys

1194
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:20,439
Speaker 2: that had come in and basically spread disease in the

1195
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 2: interior of America that you know, what.

1196
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 7: Did he say, de peopled or something like that the people.

1197
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 2: But I believe he said there were nine They believed

1198
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 2: there to be nine million Native Americans. That dropped down

1199
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 2: to a million. So imagine, I told I was with

1200
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 2: Shepherd and one of his other basketball buddies the other day,

1201
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 2: were listening to the car and I said, imagine that

1202
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 2: there were ten people in your family and only one

1203
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 2: of them lived. Like That's essentially what happened to the

1204
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 2: Native American people. So by the seventeen hundreds, when a

1205
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 2: lot of European started coming here, they what they perceived

1206
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 2: was a what we called a wilderness, but really it

1207
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 2: was a great American civil a great Native American civilization

1208
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 2: on the decline because of disease cause ecological boom with

1209
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 2: animal I mean, it's just fascinating, and so that peculiar

1210
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 2: history made us come on to this. The only kind

1211
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 2: of dan floor is called the last undiscovered continent. Now,

1212
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 2: Miss doctor Newcomb over here earlier today was like, what

1213
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 2: about Antarctica? And I was like, well, okay, if we

1214
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 2: want to talk about an article.

1215
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm just saying it's not like.

1216
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 2: She's getting a tattooed Antarctica frontier.

1217
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 6: I've actually got lots of arguments. Were you even what

1218
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 6: you just.

1219
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 4: Said about lots of tattoos?

1220
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 5: I had zero, But about prosperity enabling us, it makes

1221
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 5: me think about you, remember this is like twenty years ago.

1222
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 5: There's someplace out in the Buffalo No it's it's it's

1223
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 5: a fun street. There's someplace close to the Buffalo River.

1224
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 5: You know, it's economically it's an economically depressed area.

1225
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 6: I can't think of the name of the city. But

1226
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 6: the guy was.

1227
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 5: Talking to you about how everyone out there, people would

1228
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 5: come in and it's such a well put together little town.

1229
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 4: But it's impossible Ville, Arkansas.

1230
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 5: It was not Yellville. But like all the houses were clean,

1231
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 5: all of those And and someone asked them. Someone came

1232
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 5: to the little diner that that guy said out, and

1233
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 5: they said, man, how do they always how they always

1234
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 5: keep this This place looks so nice and so well

1235
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 5: well put together, and everybody's poor.

1236
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 6: And and he said, well, pride's cheap.

1237
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 2: Pride cheap.

1238
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 5: In other words, you don't have to have the economic

1239
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 5: it's not necessarily prosperity that that causes you to value

1240
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 5: certain things and keep things in order and keep things protected.

1241
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 4: I mean what you say, because you have, your possessions

1242
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 4: are precious, regardless what they owe stewardship.

1243
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 2: I would argue that in America, the heartbeat, that the

1244
01:04:55,720 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 2: blood that runs through the veins of this place, Chevrolet, Chevrolet,

1245
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 2: just like that capitalism, capitalism, money. I mean, I I

1246
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 2: think it's Uh. I think we saved a lot of

1247
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 2: this wilderness by the skin of our teeth. And I

1248
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 2: think if we had been not as prosperous, we wouldn't

1249
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 2: have done it. And and uh, but we did it.

1250
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:31,439
Speaker 2: So we we saved some of it, you know, which

1251
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 2: is honorable.

1252
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 6: But man, I just I just want to argue with that.

1253
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 1: Come on, yeah, I want to hear what.

1254
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 6: You I think that it.

1255
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 5: I mean, a person could argue that capitalism is actually

1256
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 5: what keeps us from saving the wild places.

1257
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 6: That is the is actually.

1258
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 1: That's why you nailed the fourth verse of my Atlantis.

1259
01:05:55,200 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 10: Again, isn't it that's written sur Yeah, we wiped out

1260
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 10: the wilderness and then right at the end we skid

1261
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 10: to a halt and saved five percent.

1262
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's both, it's both.

1263
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 1: Well, what Hal Harring said, he said.

1264
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 2: He said John Muir and Giff Pinchot were like two

1265
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 2: turbans spinning in opposite directions. Pinchot was utilitarian conservation, like

1266
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 2: utilize the land, take the resource, greatest good for the

1267
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 2: greatest number. And then John Muir was like, he's sacradlized wilderness.

1268
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 2: He was like, let's save it all. It's sacred, it's holy,

1269
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 2: it's this temple. And so it was these two things

1270
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 2: that created what we have, which is this very vast,

1271
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 2: vast ideology. Like some people are like, put an oil

1272
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 2: pipeline through Alaska. Yeah, we want to keep this thing.

1273
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 2: We want to keep this economy running, which is and

1274
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 2: I got to say it, it's wild to me the

1275
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 2: political positions that a lot of hunter and fisher hunters

1276
01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 2: in the country like were typically most times would be

1277
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 2: very conservative, like like politically conservative, which I we are.

1278
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:10,440
Speaker 2: But at the same time, politically conservative usually means very

1279
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 2: light on or very well, what's the right word, anti environment,

1280
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 2: you know, and then to be liberal means to be

1281
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 2: pro environment, and uh, you know, I've heard. Yeah, it's

1282
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 2: it's kind of wild. It'd be cool if we could be.

1283
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 1: A couple of those things switched around, you know, and

1284
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 1: not cars.

1285
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 4: I think it would be really cool. And we ain't

1286
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 4: seen those yet. Flying cars, Buddy, the Turkey ain't safe.

1287
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 4: If I got a flying car.

1288
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 2: That was a good segue side of that.

1289
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 4: That was great.

1290
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 3: It's all Brent's been thinking about this whole podcast.

1291
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, car, Hey, wimplification.

1292
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 2: Do you all think Google the Google algorithm is gonna

1293
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 2: pick it up?

1294
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 4: I hope so if someone if I mean, isn't it

1295
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 4: for everything? Yeah, not just wilderness? I got it.

1296
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 2: I got a good Hal Harry impression, the wimplification of America,

1297
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 2: I mean, give for Pinchot and John Muir, the like

1298
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 2: two turbines, and I'm telling you, by God, the Easterns

1299
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:18,679
Speaker 2: force of white pines were falling like corn in front.

1300
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 1: Of a combine.

1301
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 2: That's pretty good, you know, Clay.

1302
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:23,559
Speaker 1: I love that.

1303
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 4: Have Ben masters on there too.

1304
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 3: This film was really impacting to me when we saw

1305
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 3: it years ago, years ago. I think it was at

1306
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 3: the band Fountain film and man, have you ever seen

1307
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 3: that film?

1308
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 4: I did, but I didn't recognize the name. And we

1309
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:40,600
Speaker 4: were listening to it driving through Yellowstone. Yeah, story, he

1310
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 4: said his name. I didn't realize who it was, and

1311
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:45,599
Speaker 4: then he said the name of that movie, where I thought, oh, man,

1312
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 4: I watched that like last year.

1313
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, man it.

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01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 2: Ben's done a lot of He's a he's a documentary

1315
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 2: filmmaker now made a lot of documentary films. So I'm

1316
01:08:56,240 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 2: sure me bringing up Unbranded would be like someone bringing

1317
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:00,879
Speaker 2: up some.

1318
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 1: I did back.

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01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah something, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's cool. I

1320
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 2: haven't been on wimplification. Okay, we we I mean, did

1321
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 2: we talk about that or did we just laugh.

1322
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 4: About laugh laught about? I think we all know what

1323
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 4: it means.

1324
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 2: We got, Okay, pragmatism. That was one that I wouldn't

1325
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 2: have understood. How said, almost all the wildernesses in the

1326
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 2: West are our headwaters of major major.

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01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 4: When we listened to that with Corey, you know, and

1329
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 4: Corey's from out there and has lived out there his

1330
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:45,840
Speaker 4: whole life, and he didn't know that, right that that

1331
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 4: surprised me, right, Yeah.

1332
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 1: Talking about the Bob Marshall.

1333
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:54,639
Speaker 7: Well, a lot of it was forest service ground before

1334
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 7: it was wilderness, and then it was because the watershed stuff,

1335
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,600
Speaker 7: so it was protected before it was DESI needed you know,

1336
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 7: that came later. But yeah, that's that's.

1337
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:04,759
Speaker 4: It was pretty interesting.

1338
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and then I have one more thing here,

1339
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 2: rock and Ice. I thought, I like, how.

1340
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 6: How how he got away with words?

1341
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 2: Well, he just knows he has a good grasp on

1342
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 2: the history and we didn't.

1343
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 4: He didn't.

1344
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 2: I didn't give him a chance to touch on all

1345
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:22,600
Speaker 2: of it. I just kind of cherry picked some of

1346
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 2: the stuff that he talked to me about. But how Yeah,

1347
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:29,599
Speaker 2: we kind of get this sense of nobility about Yeah,

1348
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 2: we saved all this wilderness and we were the first

1349
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 2: in the world to do this kind of stuff. We

1350
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 2: also saved all the places that were completely like we

1351
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 2: couldn't do anything with it.

1352
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 7: Like he said, there's no national parks in Iowa.

1353
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was very good.

1354
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,679
Speaker 7: And you think about if you had a national park

1355
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 7: and they kind of tried to do this, but it

1356
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:52,839
Speaker 7: was way late in the Flint Hills area in Kansas.

1357
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 7: How cool that would be. And it's still pretty cool.

1358
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:58,719
Speaker 7: They've protected it with that grassland Preserve and they've got

1359
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 7: agreements farm they still ranch some of it stuff. So

1360
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 7: it's it's cool what they've done. But think about it

1361
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 7: a national park there. But it's not rock and ice.

1362
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:08,680
Speaker 7: It's pretty good stuff.

1363
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 2: Right right, Well, what we're going to get into this

1364
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:16,639
Speaker 2: and we're gonna do one more episode.

1365
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sorry, Josh.

1366
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:19,760
Speaker 4: To win it now.

1367
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 2: Man, it's it's this is core to the bear grease

1368
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:27,919
Speaker 2: way of life. We have to understand wildernance.

1369
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:33,839
Speaker 3: We just must suffer, have to what doesn't kill us, folks.

1370
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 2: That's four times I had somebody I trust very much.

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01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 2: I won't say his name. Was like, it was good,

1372
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 2: it was pretty academic. I'll be interested in seeing how

1373
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 2: many people listen to it.

1374
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 7: I thought, I thought, man, you have bit off a

1375
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 7: wad here. Yeah, but it's good. I mean, it's been good.

1376
01:11:59,880 --> 01:12:02,760
Speaker 1: I absolutely I love it.

1377
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 4: Man.

1378
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 2: I just think it's we have to you know. The

1379
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 2: good thing about having loyal people that listen to something.

1380
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:13,200
Speaker 2: And I realized that there's a lot of people that

1381
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 2: don't listen to every bear Grease, Like if you listen

1382
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 2: to maybe they've listened to twenty five percent of them.

1383
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 2: Or but if you just if you, if you could

1384
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 2: just bear with me and listen to them all.

1385
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:27,720
Speaker 1: You have a pretty.

1386
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 3: Strong who only listens to these podcasts but won't listen

1387
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 3: to the render.

1388
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:35,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's a lot of people like why, I mean,

1389
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 1: do you.

1390
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 4: Remember, Clay, do you remember when we were in Saskatchewan

1391
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:41,640
Speaker 4: bear hunt and it was like day four and we

1392
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 4: were seeing ten and fifteen bears a day, but they

1393
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 4: were all the same bears we looked at and they're

1394
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 4: standing thirty yards from we're inside of thirty yards to

1395
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:53,719
Speaker 4: where we're sitting, and we've been doing this every day

1396
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:57,800
Speaker 4: and we're in like our six of the day, number four.

1397
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 4: Clay Joe looks at me and I said, boring. But

1398
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 4: the best it came we got a bear later on,

1399
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 4: So you just wait. This is foundational stuff here.

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01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 1: Foundational have a.

1401
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:16,599
Speaker 4: Good way, you have a good way of bringing it all.

1402
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 2: The podcast can't all be downy Boker, Okay, I'm sorry.

1403
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 4: I'll be uplifting and.

1404
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 3: Encourage you gotta suffer through it.

1405
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 2: We're in the Bear Grease Academy of Backwoodsmanship, Philosophy, and Culture.

1406
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:35,679
Speaker 2: You guys are maybe going to be graduates if you finish,

1407
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:37,799
Speaker 2: if you finished the series.

1408
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:40,640
Speaker 4: It's going to be a test at the end of this,

1409
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 4: because that's gonna be a problem.

1410
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:45,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, is gonna be huge tests.

1411
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kyle, I'm gonna give you one last chance to

1412
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:53,880
Speaker 2: tell me your best Game Warden story.

1413
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 7: Oh man, I'm just gonna tell you what pops into

1414
01:13:57,320 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 7: my head. So this was a day when and uh,

1415
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 7: we had a lake that opened, a new lake and

1416
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 7: so they're closed to fishing until they open up, and

1417
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:08,719
Speaker 7: then when they opened usually got all kinds of fishing pressures.

1418
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 7: So we had a boat in the lake. Some an

1419
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,759
Speaker 7: agent like watching. I'm on the shore. They watch everybody

1420
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 7: on this shoreline. They say, okay, they're all fishing, going

1421
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 7: go go down check them. So I walk down and

1422
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 7: I walk up to this the first the first people

1423
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 7: I come to this older black couple and I'm I

1424
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 7: think older then they're probably my age now, you know.

1425
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 7: But they were retired, we'll say fishing. And of course

1426
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:35,719
Speaker 7: the lake. The lake has a fifteen inch slink limit

1427
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 7: on bass, and they're on a little stringer. There is

1428
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 7: obviously a short bass. And I'm like, I do not

1429
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:44,599
Speaker 7: I do not want to, you know, ruin their day.

1430
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,680
Speaker 7: They're just down here fishing. This bass is fine. And

1431
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 7: I said it was kind of a way from them,

1432
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 7: just a little ways. I said, what's the deal with

1433
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 7: the bass here? And they said, oh, we we don't know.

1434
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:57,640
Speaker 7: We don't know about that guy, you know. So I said, well,

1435
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:00,080
Speaker 7: if that guy comes back, tell him it's fifteen and

1436
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 7: slength limit and that need to let that fish go.

1437
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:05,599
Speaker 7: So I go on down the lake. They check everybody,

1438
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 7: everything's fine. I come back and now the stringer is

1439
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 7: the bass has gone. The stringer sitting right by the gentleman.

1440
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 7: I'm like, oh great, they claimed this fish. The guys

1441
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 7: in the boat are probably going to say they you know.

1442
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:21,800
Speaker 1: So I said, I don't understand. When you came back,

1443
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 1: they had not released them.

1444
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 7: So they released the fish and took this little twenty

1445
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 7: five cent rope stringer and put it with their stuff. Well,

1446
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:32,679
Speaker 7: no I knew whose fish it was. I just wanted

1447
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 7: them to just I'm trying to just tell them that

1448
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 7: fish is not cool to you know. And so I

1449
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 7: come back and now that they have the stringer, and

1450
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 7: I know the guys in the boat probably saw him

1451
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 7: let the fish go. So I said, well, did you

1452
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:47,640
Speaker 7: guys decide that fish is yours after all? And the

1453
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:50,559
Speaker 7: lady said, no, sir, but we decided if he wasn't

1454
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 7: going to come back, we might as well have that stringer.

1455
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 7: Never came back again, and I walked up the hill.

1456
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 1: That's a good story.

1457
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 4: That's a good story.

1458
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that answers my question about how you, uh, you

1459
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 2: handled dealing with people if.

1460
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 7: You could, if you could, I mean, you know, most

1461
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:20,280
Speaker 7: most violations were not intentional. Yes, something happened, right, the

1462
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 7: bird flew up, You shots the wrong bird, You didn't

1463
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 7: plan to go out, and you know, something just happened. Yeah,

1464
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 7: So a lot of times you have to write those anyway,

1465
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 7: you know, like Donnie's deal. But it all works out

1466
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 7: in the end. So hey, I brought something for it.

1467
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I wanted to not forget this before. Now

1468
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 7: it's not I don't want to get get to your

1469
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 7: hope's up too high here. I mean, it's it's not

1470
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 7: it's not from Cabelli's. But I had this on my

1471
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 7: desk for years. This is salt that I rendered from

1472
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 7: a salt lick at Boon's Lick. Yeah, it's just Nathan

1473
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:54,799
Speaker 7: Boone and and Daniel Morgan Boone ran that salt works

1474
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 7: and so it still comes out of the ground. It's

1475
01:16:57,439 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 7: not a salty But I went there one time with

1476
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 7: a buddy and we got to get that's from maybe

1477
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 7: a gallon of water that.

1478
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:08,599
Speaker 1: He boons lick and I didn't want.

1479
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:10,599
Speaker 7: I didn't want. Wow, I didn't have two of them.

1480
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 2: Hey, that is so you've nailed it. You know what

1481
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:15,680
Speaker 2: I tell you. I have a lot of people give

1482
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 2: me stuff, which I'm always grateful for. Hey, there was

1483
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 2: a lady I'm gonna call them out, uh Snake River

1484
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:23,599
Speaker 2: Produce up in Idaho.

1485
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 1: I met I met.

1486
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 2: This this lady up in uh in Utah and she

1487
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:35,599
Speaker 2: gave me a pack of uh dried onions. So people

1488
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 2: give me stuff all the time. Uh Kyle gave me

1489
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:41,559
Speaker 2: that to come to painting, and I've made a post.

1490
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 2: I said, of all the gifts, this is like spot on.

1491
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 2: This is probably as good as it comes to painting.

1492
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 7: Well, you could.

1493
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 2: You can sprint right here by the by the bearers.

1494
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 7: All right, there you go. I have I'm having to

1495
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 7: move stuff out of my office to do some new flooring, so.

1496
01:17:59,240 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 1: That's cool.

1497
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 7: So Brent, Yeah, I don't have an old decoy for you,

1498
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:05,639
Speaker 7: but I got a paper shotgunsholl.

1499
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 4: And.

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01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 7: I don't know if you collect patches, but there's an

1501
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 7: ms h P pat.

1502
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:14,559
Speaker 4: I've been getting a lot of these. I never was

1503
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 4: a patch collector. I've given away same hundreds, but since

1504
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 4: I've gotten on this platform, I get them from all over.

1505
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 4: I got him from a guy Michigan sergeant Michigan State

1506
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 4: trooper sent sent me some cool and something that he

1507
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:33,719
Speaker 4: wore on his uniform. Yeah, there you go, thank you, brother.

1508
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 7: Yeah, I appreciated very much.

1509
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 1: Well, thanks for coming, Kyle, really appreciate it.

1510
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:40,040
Speaker 7: Enjoyed it, everybody.

1511
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, great conversation. We got one more and it's gonna

1512
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:45,799
Speaker 1: be racy.

1513
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 2: I hate to tell you, it's just it's gonna get

1514
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 2: down right.

1515
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:53,680
Speaker 4: Are you rewriting any more song?

1516
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 1: WHOA, You're not gonna believe the song I'm going to

1517
01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 1: sing on that.

1518
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 4: Careful lots of foreshadow here.

1519
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:08,200
Speaker 2: Hey, I gotta say this. I met Evan Felker in Montana. Josh,

1520
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 2: you know who that is?

1521
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 4: Should I?

1522
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:14,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, the lead singer for the Turnpike Contributors.

1523
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 4: Okay, I do.

1524
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 2: Me and Brent met him, and man, there's no I wish.

1525
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:25,559
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, he doesn't even know that. I have like

1526
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 2: five hit songs ready to be recorded literally as we speak.

1527
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 2: All he needs to do is say the word.

1528
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:38,800
Speaker 4: He needs to just reach out on Instagram d M.

1529
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:41,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know whatever.

1530
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 2: Uh but uh no, I enjoyed. It's I think he's

1531
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 2: the first musician that I've ever met that I actually

1532
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:58,559
Speaker 2: wanted to meet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well no, Hawking

1533
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:01,560
Speaker 2: Horse doesn't count. He's like my friend, Andrew will is

1534
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:05,840
Speaker 2: my friend. But no, so I so I was like, uh.

1535
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 4: It's like, hey, man, like, can you sign my shirt?

1536
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:10,719
Speaker 4: What are you doing?

1537
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:16,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? Anyway, I've been I've been jamming out of the

1538
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:20,559
Speaker 2: Turnpike Truders a lot. So maybe I'll maybe, I'll I'll

1539
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 2: probably ride a fourth verse love it to do this

1540
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:32,679
Speaker 2: to turn You just got the band back together, all right, guys? Well,

1541
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:36,759
Speaker 2: oh March ninth, Brent and I black bur Banana.

1542
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:37,559
Speaker 4: I'll be there too.

1543
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:39,920
Speaker 1: Josh will be there, Josh Lambridge will be there.

1544
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 7: John, I'm going to try.

1545
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 1: Kyle's going to be there. Doctor Nuklem probably be there.

1546
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:45,679
Speaker 6: I'm betting.

1547
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 5: I'll just be honest, I'm betting that Ship is going

1548
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 5: to play in the state championships.

1549
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:54,400
Speaker 2: So, yeah, we got major problems ships in the state championship,

1550
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:58,479
Speaker 2: which we have four games to win between here and there.

1551
01:20:58,600 --> 01:20:59,759
Speaker 6: It's not very many.

1552
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 2: Misty basically prophesied ten years ago that Shep would be

1553
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:09,840
Speaker 2: the state champion in twenty twenty four.

1554
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:11,680
Speaker 6: Now I said that he'd playing the state championship in

1555
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 6: twenty twenty four.

1556
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 4: Okay, you know that she has done a lot of that,

1557
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 4: and I know I'm telling no about the flood. Yeah,

1558
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 4: I'm talking about Yeah, it comes to fruition very good.

1559
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:25,240
Speaker 1: Shep Newcomb hitting nine and threes two nights.

1560
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 6: Ago in the regional championship.

1561
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:28,679
Speaker 1: He was in a haze.

1562
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:31,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like it was like watching a wolf

1563
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:34,800
Speaker 2: ketchup like a bison calf and then just go catch

1564
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:35,920
Speaker 2: another one for no reason.

1565
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:36,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1566
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:39,200
Speaker 2: They did lose though, that's all right.

1567
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:43,720
Speaker 1: That the regional championship, Regional chip. They lost the regional championship.

1568
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 5: Now they they've done pretty far. They were pretty good

1569
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 5: little scrappy team. Yeah, it's a lot of fun to watch.

1570
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:54,240
Speaker 1: This is like a bonus segment here, so all of

1571
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:55,679
Speaker 1: us will most likely.

1572
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 4: You know, have to pay extra for this part, folks. Yeah.

1573
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Misty may not be there, maybe at the

1574
01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 2: state championship, and I may be streaming on my phone

1575
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 2: the live podcast that we're gonna do. We have we

1576
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 2: oh man, we got a lot planned. We're gonna have

1577
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 2: some live music. It won't be me, Brent, I'm out.

1578
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:15,160
Speaker 1: But we got we gotta will be the musicians.

1579
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 6: What you won't, It's gonna be our friend, Brent.

1580
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 1: I might just step up and take over.

1581
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 6: You know you will. I mean, there's no chance you won't.

1582
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:30,719
Speaker 2: Alright, maybe all right, thank you guys,