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Speaker 1: Welcome to Tuesdays, and this is a Big Blue Kickoff

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Speaker 1: join us. Here is Paul lance Meadow. It's deja vu

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Speaker 1: on Twitter. We're gonna recap Conference Championship Sunday to exhilarating

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Speaker 1: games that both went to overtime the first time in

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Speaker 1: NFL history of the first time I should say since

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Speaker 1: the merger in nineteen seventy that that occurred. And we'll

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Speaker 1: also look ahead to the Senior Bowl. Will hear from

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Speaker 1: John Schmilki is in Mobile, Alabama to get the layout

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Speaker 1: of the land, as today is going to be the

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Speaker 1: first practice the next three days they'll practice leading up

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Speaker 1: to the game over the course of this weekend, so

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Speaker 1: a lot to tackle over the next sixty minutes. We'll

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Speaker 1: get to your phone calls or get to your tweets,

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Speaker 1: but let's start with what was a wild Conference Championships Sunday, Paul,

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Speaker 1: and we now have the table set for the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl Patriots Rams coincidentally, a rematch of really what started

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Speaker 1: the dynasty for the Patriots. They wound up beating the

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Speaker 1: Rams for their first Super Bowl of five, and now

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Speaker 1: they have an opportunity to sort of come full circle

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Speaker 1: to continue their dynasty. And we'll start with the Patriots

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Speaker 1: and the Chiefs and New England getting it done again

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Speaker 1: in crunch time. I don't think that necessarily surprised many,

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Speaker 1: the ability for Tom Brady in the offense and make

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Speaker 1: one big play after another, despite what Brady did. I

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Speaker 1: think guys like Julian Edelman, Chris Hogan and Rob Gronkowski

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Speaker 1: also Paul, deserve a lot of credit. On multiple drives,

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Speaker 1: those guys made some highly contested catches, helped move the chains.

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Speaker 1: As great as Brady is, I don't think some of

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Speaker 1: the weapons around him gets enough credit, as well as

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Speaker 1: the offensive line. Here we know this, we're covering the Giants.

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Speaker 1: The key to getting to Brady and flustering him is

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Speaker 1: to put pressure on him, get some hits on him. Well,

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Speaker 1: you look at the box score. Kansas City Chiefs zero sacks, Paul,

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Speaker 1: and I'll take it a step further. One quarterback hit,

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Speaker 1: zero sacks, one quarterback hit, and the Patriots ran for

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Speaker 1: over a d seventy yards. They won in the trenches.

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Speaker 1: They won on the offensive line. And what has that been?

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Speaker 1: That's been the theme we talked about right postseason ten

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Speaker 1: for ten, that's the bottom line, ten for ten. All

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Speaker 1: ten postseason games to this point were decided by the

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Speaker 1: team that won the trenches. It happened in the Rams

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Speaker 1: Saints game also because if you recall, it was the

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Speaker 1: pressure by the Saints defensive line that got through in

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Speaker 1: overtime against Breeze, forcing that ball when he got hit

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Speaker 1: to flutter up and get intercepted, which eventually led to

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Speaker 1: the winning field goal by Los Angeles. Folks, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: keep saying it until I don't know, I retire, and

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Speaker 1: that's probably another fifty years from now, so you're stuck

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Speaker 1: with me. I'm sorry. The trenches. It always starts in

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Speaker 1: the trenches. Your percentage chance of winning a game is

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Speaker 1: so much greater when you win the trenches, more than

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Speaker 1: any other factor. On NFL Sunday, That's just the way

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Speaker 1: it is, and it happened with the Patriots as well.

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Speaker 1: You sighted the stats, and you know we tried to

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Speaker 1: tell you. I don't know. I don't know how much

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Speaker 1: picked the Patriots over Kansas City too, because I thought

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs had caught lightning in a bottle. Their defense

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Speaker 1: was never going to perform as well as they did

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Speaker 1: the world that that offensive line decided not to show

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Speaker 1: And I said to myself, there's no way that's gonna

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Speaker 1: does not show up. Tom Brady will show up. His

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman will scrap and claw. They may not be

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Speaker 1: To me, the Achilles Hill of the Chiefs, as great

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Speaker 1: But I never thought that the Chiefs defense was gonna

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Speaker 1: Both teams combined for thirty eight points, Paul in the

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Speaker 1: if it was gonna play out to be an offensive clinic,

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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody doubted that Tom Brady and the

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Speaker 1: was not a surprising finish at all. I think though,

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Speaker 1: no matter where you stand on the Patriots, they deserve

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Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of credit. Paul, we're talking about nine

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Speaker 1: super Bowl appearances for the Patriots. Okay, you know, I

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Speaker 1: do not like to single out the quarterback for the

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Speaker 1: New England franchise. Since Tom Brady took over as the daughter,

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Speaker 1: nine super Bowl appearances in seventeen seasons in which he

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Speaker 1: know what's amazing to me, I remember when the forty

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Speaker 1: course they play in a panti division, which of course

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Speaker 1: was completely different. You could argue, Paul, in the wild

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Speaker 1: five or six true Super Bowl contenders. Let's be honest, Paul,

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Speaker 1: where is today in today's NFL. Before the playoffs started,

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Speaker 1: the Saints, but I had New Orleans winning, so I'm

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Speaker 1: already out well. But but the point is, and you're

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Speaker 1: not wrong for picking those teams. But what I'm saying

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Speaker 1: I have tremendous respect for Bill Belichick. I knew him

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Speaker 1: the case closed. Don't even have that conversation with me

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Speaker 1: because you lose. But Montana, I think belongs to the

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Speaker 1: Brady knocked him off. I think there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: You know you you you check you bow on your

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Speaker 1: on a minute. I'm holding off the lebron holicks. Okay

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Speaker 1: when it comes to the Jordan debate, so don't even

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Speaker 1: these conversations to that that is insulting that you even

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Speaker 1: on a public apology? Alright, I'm sorr, but do you

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Speaker 1: understand that Why a Tittle was the Dan Marino and

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Speaker 1: all I'm saying is that Joe Montada belongs to the conversation.

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Speaker 1: I'm not discrediting Johnny Unitis or Why a Tittle or

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Speaker 1: Let's buzz, We're gonna take a look at that again.

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Speaker 1: the answer to that. I certainly believe the Giants, as

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Speaker 1: it again. So yes, they absolutely got cheated of that opportunity.

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Speaker 1: But that's the key. They got cheated out of an opportunity.

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Speaker 1: They did not get cheated by the result because you

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Speaker 1: just don't know, just don't know the remains, just don't

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Speaker 1: know would play out. Why do I have no issue

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Speaker 1: with that? I'm actually fighting off people who were saying,

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Speaker 1: you know, we know for a fact that the Saints

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Speaker 1: would have won the game. No, we don't. We don't

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Speaker 1: know anything. And you go back to a variety of games.

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Speaker 1: We see you are older than I like the old

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Speaker 1: You already dug yourself in a deep You gotta have

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Speaker 1: a few shows to me. By the way, we need

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Speaker 1: to tell people something Giants wise, Yes, Michael Thomas is

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Speaker 1: going to the Pro Bowl. He's on the NFC roster

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Speaker 1: for the Pro Bowl because a littleton of the ram

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Speaker 1: is in the Super Bowl, and he was the selection

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Speaker 1: for the NFC. Thomas was the first alternate and now

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Speaker 1: he gets elevated and goes to Orlando as another Giants

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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl representative. Congratulations to Michael Thomas, echo your sentiments

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Speaker 1: well deserved. Michael Thomas one of the most underrated football

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Speaker 1: players over the last few years because of what he

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Speaker 1: does on special teams, and he proved to be a

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Speaker 1: valuable asset this season, Paul, because of his versatility and

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Speaker 1: the injury to Landon Collins and playing a lot more

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Speaker 1: safety than maybe the Giants had anticipated, and his contributions

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Speaker 1: on special teams well earned. You could have made an

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Speaker 1: argument he could have went to the Pro bowling years

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Speaker 1: past for what he did with the Miami Dolphins, just

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Speaker 1: strictly as a special teamer, and that's five Giants now

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Speaker 1: receiving invites. Only four are gonna play because Landon Collins

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Speaker 1: is injured, but Olivier Vernon, Michael Thomas, Aldrick Rossaus at St.

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Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley all first time Pro bowlers. Out of the five,

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Speaker 1: Landon Collins is the only repeat, So congratulations obviously to

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Speaker 1: Michael Thomas, glad you reminded us of that. And another reminder,

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Speaker 1: you should follow Giants dot com and the Giants on

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Speaker 1: social media all week for live coverage from the Senior

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Speaker 1: Bowl as well as the Pro Bowl, since that is

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Speaker 1: a related note. We're going to be talking Senior Bowl

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Speaker 1: a little bit later on on the program, but right

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Speaker 1: now we want to open up the phone lines postseason Giants,

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Speaker 1: offseason plans, everything up for the dialogue twos one, five,

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Speaker 1: one three. Joe is in Pennsylvania. He gets us going

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday's edition A Big Blue Kickoff Live. How we doing, Joe?

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Speaker 1: A wonderful missus guys yesterday? Uh well, thank you me too.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to work by comparing quarterbacks, Paul, Like you said,

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Speaker 1: unite is tittle. Uh you know, having Brady number one

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Speaker 1: of all time? Okay, the only thing I have against

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Speaker 1: that Paul. You know it was a different game that

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Speaker 1: it was. Jam quarterbacks really got hit, you know, and

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Speaker 1: they had to stay in there where you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, Like you've seen in this play playoff game

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Speaker 1: there as we're talking about the if the guy reaches

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Speaker 1: around the tackle or the guard and touches Brady on

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Speaker 1: the shoulder and there's the flag. You know that there

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Speaker 1: are so many things besides the rules changes that have

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Speaker 1: helped today's quarterbacks. Think about this, Okay, how many of

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Speaker 1: yesteryear's quarterbacks had to play in domes. Not too many

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Speaker 1: of them got to play in domes. You I has

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Speaker 1: never had a chance to play in the dome. Okay,

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Speaker 1: uh so you know needed the Tittle I mean, in fact,

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Speaker 1: it was the weather conditions that screwed Tittle and championship games.

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Speaker 1: If you remember back in the early sixties, he played

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Speaker 1: in horrible, windy, nasty cold conditions and his passing game

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Speaker 1: wound up getting hindered by that. So you had weather conditions,

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Speaker 1: then you also didn't have artificial turf fields. They were

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Speaker 1: playing on baseball fields dual purpose stadiums, and those fields

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Speaker 1: were a mess in the mud in the freezing cold.

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Speaker 1: Those are the heart and fields that they had to

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Speaker 1: play on. Heck, even the Oakland Raiders are still doing

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Speaker 1: it to play the only teams still playing on a

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Speaker 1: baseball field. I mean, you knows there, You know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, You can't touch them. Well, but in fairness,

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Speaker 1: Joe Brady also started playing. But but Joe Brady also

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Speaker 1: started playing before some of these rule changes were implemented.

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Speaker 1: So to say that his entire career was a benefit

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Speaker 1: of that is missing. No, but there are factors in

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Speaker 1: general that certainly I've enhanced the opportunities for today's quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: to succeed. That's all we're saying. I don't think there's

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Speaker 1: any the old quarterbacks when they were getting hit the

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Speaker 1: whole game, of course. I mean, listen, there were guys

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Speaker 1: playing with leather helmets at one point. What are we

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Speaker 1: gonna do the game now? Where we can't touch the receivers,

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Speaker 1: you really can evaluate them right well, but Brady, but

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Speaker 1: Brady still were in a box show. I get that.

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Speaker 1: But Brady still has to make the decisions at the

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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. He still has to make adjustments. You

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Speaker 1: know him them last drive No Third and in third

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Speaker 1: and nine he is right on the on on the ball,

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Speaker 1: they're throwing it to them. Give him crazy and he's

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Speaker 1: number one, He's number one, He's taken the throne right now.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean this stuff here again, I

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Speaker 1: know he's arguing about the refs again, it is ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: I did hear. Uh they were saying that that referee

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Speaker 1: was changing his jersey with Gurley from the that was

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Speaker 1: that was a photoshop photo Joe that Todd Gurley put

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Speaker 1: up on his Instagram count as a joke to rub

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Speaker 1: it into people that were irritating. There was no validity

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Speaker 1: to that. What's over well, But but whatever, I mean,

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Speaker 1: there was so much whatever. It's definitely not ridiculous. They

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Speaker 1: have to it's just so bad this year. Uh, what

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I'm just so happy for the

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Speaker 1: Giants that you know, really there's there are more and

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Speaker 1: more quarterbacks in that that we can really uh get

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Speaker 1: a quarterback if we want this year and we can

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Speaker 1: draft defensive lineman pass rushers. That's really what we need.

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Speaker 1: And uh, that's what I'm very happy for. And uh,

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Speaker 1: I really like the looks of that Murray. But then

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Speaker 1: I see see, uh, you know there's some big quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: from Duke and Missouri with size and it and I

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Speaker 1: really love that to get one and have one more

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Speaker 1: year under Eli Manning near to Tutorum and that. Okay,

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Speaker 1: thank you taking my call. Call reminder, Big Blue Kickoff

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Speaker 1: to the line. Scott is in New Mexico. Scott, Welcome

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Speaker 1: to board. What do you got for us? Hi? Guys,

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Speaker 1: how you doing today? About a month or so ago,

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Speaker 1: I was on with both of you in regards to

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Speaker 1: the officiated, and I had said that the officiating this

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Speaker 1: year seemed to be a lot poorer than it was

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Speaker 1: in previous years. And I know Lance you are because

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Speaker 1: to do college games. It's the same in college etcetera, etcetera.

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Speaker 1: So my point is this, on a blatant call that

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Speaker 1: was missed in the Los Angeles game, even though I

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Speaker 1: had ticked Los Angeles to win, I'm just worried is

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Speaker 1: the officiating actually destroying the game? Because I'm almost on

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Speaker 1: pins and needles when I watch a game that I'm

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Speaker 1: waiting for the call, and because you're leaving it up

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Speaker 1: to the discretion of the referees, even though I agree

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Speaker 1: with you that reviewing every call is the Pandora's box

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Speaker 1: and it's not good for the game when you leave

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Speaker 1: it up to the discretion of the referees on almost

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Speaker 1: any play, because on almost any play you can actually

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Speaker 1: call a penalty. Is the game getting destroyed from within?

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Speaker 1: And what countermeasures can you do to stop the officiating?

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Speaker 1: I mean that that's the human element of the game

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Speaker 1: in an NBA game. Can I argue the same thing

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Speaker 1: that every call is in the hands of the officials.

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Speaker 1: Can't they call a foul on every single play if

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Speaker 1: they what happened to the element of the game, because

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Speaker 1: there are rules in place. You're not supposed to hold

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Speaker 1: anybody beyond five yards if you're But like anything else,

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Speaker 1: almost every single game that you watch, I think I

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Speaker 1: think it depends on the officiating crew. I mean clearly,

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Speaker 1: like I said, some officials are gonna really hone in

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Speaker 1: on that and others are not. For example, the Seattle Seahawks,

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Speaker 1: you know, when the Legion of Boom was together, they

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Speaker 1: were known for their aggressive approach at the line of scrimmage,

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Speaker 1: but they would always just go to look at how

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Speaker 1: things were called in the first quarter to determine what

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Speaker 1: they can get away with. So to me, it's like

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Speaker 1: anything else. The officials do set the tone of a game.

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Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you, but that's the human element,

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Speaker 1: and the human element has been around ever since the

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Speaker 1: game was brought to the forefront. So you're never going

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Speaker 1: to have the perfectly officiated game. That's what I think

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Speaker 1: people need to understand. You're never going to have everything

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Speaker 1: go according to plant. There's gonna be calls, miss There's

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Speaker 1: gonna be bad calls, calls and good teams overcome the

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Speaker 1: ins and out of the human element of the game.

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Speaker 1: That's always a shame of this. Scott and and I'm

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Speaker 1: you're probably gonna be very surprised to hear me say this,

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Speaker 1: but I'm of the opinion, especially in these critical games.

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Speaker 1: Although I don't want to get into the argument about inconsistencies,

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Speaker 1: I like officials who let the guys play. Okay, I'm

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Speaker 1: not one who wants to see thirty five penalty flags

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Speaker 1: in the game. I really, I'm not having said that

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Speaker 1: these egregious mistakes that are changing the course of history

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Speaker 1: and people's lives and the blood, sweat and tears that

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Speaker 1: every organization and every team puts into a season to

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Speaker 1: have it potentially altered by a horrific call that doesn't

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Speaker 1: seem just to me. And yet, and yet again, I'm

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Speaker 1: one who wants to see the players play. Uh that,

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Speaker 1: you know, for lack of a better term, I can't

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Speaker 1: stand when tikie tack penalties are called. Now, technically those

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Speaker 1: are accurate penalties, and one could argue that if I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna be so upset when a penalty has missed or

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Speaker 1: called incorrectly, well, then how could I say that tiki

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Speaker 1: tach fouls are also incorrect. It's a It's like a contradiction.

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Speaker 1: So I appreciate it if you want to get on

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Speaker 1: my case, but that's kind of how I feel. I

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Speaker 1: hate the egregious miscalls or non calls, but I'm okay

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Speaker 1: with letting the tiki tax stuff go because I think

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Speaker 1: that the athletes need to determine the outcome of the

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Speaker 1: game on the field with their skill and their experience

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Speaker 1: and their wiliness. And if there is certain gamesmanship, you

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Speaker 1: know what I remember, you know, Sam Madison and Everson Walls,

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Speaker 1: two veteran defensive facts. When they got to the Giants,

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Speaker 1: they were masters. I've had a picket of guy's jersey

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Speaker 1: on the way down the field, which wasn't really holding,

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Speaker 1: but it was kind of like, you know, and and

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Speaker 1: it was like, that's how they learned their craft, and

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Speaker 1: I kind of want to let those guys be able

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Speaker 1: to do that, but at the same time, the egregious

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Speaker 1: stuff makes me sick. Well, is there a way? And

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Speaker 1: I think Glance you had talked about this, about creating

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Speaker 1: some rules for the referees where you can do better

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Speaker 1: things with them or train them better, etcetera. Because I

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Speaker 1: think the game's sort of getting as I mentioned earlier,

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Speaker 1: sort of getting destroyed because you're waiting for the penalties.

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Speaker 1: I understand the human element, but I also understand that

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Speaker 1: you have to call again, Crail. It's just like any

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Speaker 1: other job. If you don't do it very well, then obviously,

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Speaker 1: the officials, to your point, are part timers. They've got

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Speaker 1: jobs during the week and then they travel to the

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Speaker 1: destinations and officiate games. So I mean, if the NFL

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Speaker 1: go through training each and every weekend, it's a full time,

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Speaker 1: year round job. You can maybe argue that that should

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Speaker 1: certainly help improve the efficiency of their job performance, but

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Speaker 1: the NFL has got to decide to go there. You know,

643
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Speaker 1: the individual officials, if they want to stay sharp, the

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Speaker 1: only way that they can do that is to find

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Speaker 1: time in their daily lives to do that. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: like anything else, the more you do it. To your point, Scott, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would say you're gonna be better at your job.

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Speaker 1: But I also think that when you go full speed

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Speaker 1: and you're watching things as opposed to us who are

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Speaker 1: on our couches or in the press boxes, I don't

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Speaker 1: think people understand how difficult it is to be an official. Now,

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Speaker 1: I get it, it was an egregious miscall, and I'm

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Speaker 1: not defending that's it thinks for the Saints, it really does,

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Speaker 1: because they would have maybe had an opportunity to finish

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Speaker 1: that game differently. I'm not excusing that, But what I

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Speaker 1: will defend is I don't think people understand how difficult

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Speaker 1: it is to be an official, and I think people

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Speaker 1: take that job for granted that they can put on

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Speaker 1: a zebra shirt, they can run up and down the

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Speaker 1: field and make calls, and I think people would be

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Speaker 1: up for a root awakening, and I'd love to see it.

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Speaker 1: I've been talking about this since, so I'm really, really, really,

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Speaker 1: really really into this this topic I had suggested to

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Speaker 1: George young back. Actually, I had said, George, they need

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Speaker 1: to have a better recruitment and schooling policy for revs

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Speaker 1: to kim into the league. What I had suggested to

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Speaker 1: him then when he was VP of Football Operations with

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Speaker 1: the NFL, I said, George, there are a number of

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Speaker 1: receivers and defensive backs, okay, who are coming out of

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Speaker 1: the n C double A ranks and not making it

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Speaker 1: to the NFL. And some of these guys are very

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Speaker 1: intelligent people who really know the game, but they can't

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Speaker 1: make it into the NFL in training camp. Why not

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Speaker 1: recruit those guys? And let's say the safety from Oklahoma

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Speaker 1: is really smart, really intelligent, and he's a heck of

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Speaker 1: a player, but he can't make it into the NFL.

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Speaker 1: He keeps getting cut after two years. Why not say, hey,

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Speaker 1: you want to stay in the game, We're gonna recruit

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00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: you and we're gonna make you in NFL. Referee, how

680
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Speaker 1: would you like to go to referee school? Because not

681
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Speaker 1: only is he gonna be fit. He's gonna understand the

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Speaker 1: game from the players and the coaches perspective, and he

683
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: is probably gonna be really good in using his judgment

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Speaker 1: on the field as to what a penalty is or isn't.

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Speaker 1: And of course I got dismissed out of hand, and

686
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Speaker 1: it's been that way for decades, but that was my plan. Well,

687
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: you've got to put in the time to even make

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Speaker 1: it to the level of being an NFL ref They

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Speaker 1: take him from the high school and the college level.

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Speaker 1: They got to put an x amount of the years

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Speaker 1: before they even can. I ask you a question, how

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Speaker 1: many NFL officials today and I don't know the answer

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Speaker 1: to this, how much of them ever played the game,

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Speaker 1: even at a high school level. It's a good question,

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Speaker 1: I would, don't you think if they had been players,

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Speaker 1: certainly at the college level, they'd have a better idea

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Speaker 1: of what it is that they're watching. Listen if you've

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Speaker 1: been around the game. I mean, for example, some of them,

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Speaker 1: I've never played either, but I know the game really well,

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Speaker 1: so I can appreciate that. But I don't know that

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Speaker 1: i'd want to be a referee. Well, that's why challenging

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Speaker 1: job that I don't think many people understand that it's

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Speaker 1: got Listen, We're gonna let you go because we want

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Speaker 1: to get through a number of other callers. But I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you weighing in. Two zero five, one three. Let's

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Speaker 1: go to Marco in Connecticut. Marco, Welcome the Big Blue

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Speaker 1: Kick Off Live. What do you got for us? Hello? Hello, Marco? Marco? Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: how about coach Marvin and Delaware? Then coach Marvin, what's happening? Oh? Yes, hello? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Now so now we apparently have Marco on the line. Marco,

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Speaker 1: what's happening? Yes, Hey, I'm doing well, guys, good stuff

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Speaker 1: on the on the on the rules stuff. And I

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Speaker 1: wanted to jump in, but I'm gonna stick to my

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Speaker 1: point on why I called. I think watching this the

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Speaker 1: two games though leading up to it, I think we

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Speaker 1: can all agree that the four teams playing were probably four.

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Speaker 1: They were statistically two and and uh and they're seating.

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Speaker 1: There were the four best teams in the league. My

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Speaker 1: biggest takeaway, and I want to get your guys input

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Speaker 1: on this, is when you have four great teams like this,

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Speaker 1: how big of a difference coaching makes in these games?

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Speaker 1: And I think it's easy to look at the Patriots

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Speaker 1: and see Brady. But man, I I continue to get

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Speaker 1: to be so impressed by Belichick and the way he's

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Speaker 1: able to dialogue these game plans and these teams. And

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I don't know if, if offensively what

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Speaker 1: they're doing, if it's entirely Josh McDaniels game plan, or

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Speaker 1: if it's if they're if they're both coming to it

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Speaker 1: with Belichick and McDaniels. But I even looking at that

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Speaker 1: same game, aside from what happened with the penalty, Seampagne

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Speaker 1: made some big mistakes late in the game. U He

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Speaker 1: threw on one play where it stopped the clocks for

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Speaker 1: the Rams and they didn't have to use that time out.

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Speaker 1: Huge play, And and then just getting back to my topics,

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Speaker 1: and I'm looking at the Patriots and I was thinking

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Speaker 1: about this. They lose so many players every year because

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Speaker 1: they have hard a hard line of where they're gonna

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Speaker 1: where they're gonna pay guys. And we've always talked about that.

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Speaker 1: Um Solder ends up on the Giant. He was their

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Speaker 1: starting left tackle. They also lost Cam Flemming, who was

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Speaker 1: who I think was starting with them last year, but

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Speaker 1: it ended up in Dallas, and I'm not sure they

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Speaker 1: lost anybody else. And the way, and by the way, guys,

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Speaker 1: they don't draft really well. I don't know if anyone

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Speaker 1: has talked about that. They don't. They've lost on a

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Speaker 1: lot of draft picks. They pick up guys off the

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Speaker 1: scrap peep and they turn them into functional players is

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Speaker 1: what they do. Well, you know what, they have a

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Speaker 1: lot of volume of picks. They have a big volume.

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Speaker 1: So they figure the more guys they pick, the increase

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Speaker 1: of the chances of having them pan out. That's here's

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Speaker 1: here's where I'm impressed though, when you talk about their

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Speaker 1: specifically their offensive line and they're coaching. I know Scarneki

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Speaker 1: is a great coach. That was the biggest takeaway for

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Speaker 1: the weekend. It's like, these guys, these are all great players.

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Speaker 1: And you can find great players in all capacities, draft,

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Speaker 1: free agent, undrafted, trade, Canadian League, whatever. If you don't

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00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: apply the right coaching and guys that can actually fit

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Speaker 1: into the system, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because

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Speaker 1: what they're doing. Brady just gets older, less mobile. However,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't get touched. He doesn't get touched. And now

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Speaker 1: and and there's there's some time to go before the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. But that's I don't already think. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I think that's what they're gonna scheme Aaron Donald and

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Speaker 1: Sue right out of the game. And they're gonna force

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Speaker 1: those linebackers, which really aren't great for the Saint for

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Speaker 1: the Rams to beat them, and and Brady is gonna

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Speaker 1: have a field day throw into his running backs in

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Speaker 1: the flat, and I don't think it's that easy, but

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Speaker 1: they make it look so easy. So I guess I

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Speaker 1: wanted to get your opinion on I'm just coaching altogether.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, these guys are top, top players,

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Speaker 1: But what is your opinion on if how the coaching

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Speaker 1: is making a difference with the teams around me, especially

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Speaker 1: with so much parody. Well, there are some coaching staffs.

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Speaker 1: You got to Marco appreciate the phone call. There's many

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Speaker 1: coaching staffs that believe this is what we do well,

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Speaker 1: and this is what we're gonna do against every opponent.

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Speaker 1: And then there's the New England Patriots who say to themselves, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we do certain things well, but we're gonna focus more

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Speaker 1: on the matchups and we're gonna look to expose the

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00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: matchups for example, against Kansas City. Who could tell me

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Speaker 1: what Tyree Kill and Travis Kelsey did in that conference

783
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Speaker 1: championship game? And I think those are two extremely talented

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Speaker 1: players who had two really good seasons. Those guys were

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00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: relatively quiet. I don't remember either one of them having

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Speaker 1: a big game changing play other than Paul, I remember

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Speaker 1: Tyreek Kill catching a deep pass down the right sideline

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Speaker 1: that Patrick Mahomes threw to him off the run. Outside

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Speaker 1: of that, I thought New England did a nice job saying,

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Speaker 1: you know what, Mahomes, you want to beat us, You're

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Speaker 1: gonna have to utilize your running backs. You're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to utilize Sammy Watkins, You're gonna have to utilize guys

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Speaker 1: that haven't necessarily been doing a great deal of the

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00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: heavy lifting all season. So he's a very matchup oriented coach,

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Speaker 1: and he doesn't mind varying his game plan week to week,

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Speaker 1: whereas other coaches feel, we've been doing this well all season,

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Speaker 1: we've been using this personnel, We're gonna stick to it.

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Speaker 1: That to me is the biggest difference between New England

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Speaker 1: and the rest of the league. Belichick doesn't get concerned

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Speaker 1: about only having three or four days of practice to

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Speaker 1: implement some new looks. They trust the system and they

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00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 1: trust their personnel. That's why they make constant changes well.

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Speaker 1: And they have an outstanding coaching staff which leaves no

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Speaker 1: stone unturned. There were relentless, just like Belichick is. And

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00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: then they make sure that they get guys on the

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Speaker 1: team who have the mentality to accept that type of

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00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: of of approach and they are willing. For example, David

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Speaker 1: Andrews Okay Andrews is their starting center, undrafted rookie free

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00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: agent in two thousand fift He's the starting center. He's

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Speaker 1: the guy making the line calls. He's the guy who's

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Speaker 1: handing the ball to Brady on the snap. That's a

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00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: big position. Undrafted rookie free agent. Do you know who

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Speaker 1: the highest draft pick is on their offensive line? Just

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Speaker 1: take a guess highest draft pick. I want to say

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Speaker 1: what a fourth rounder? Joe Thuney Okay was a third

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Speaker 1: round draft pick at a North Carolina eight. He is

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Speaker 1: the highest draft pick on because I know Trent Brown's

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Speaker 1: a fifth round or who they acquired from San Francisco

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Speaker 1: before this season, So that's why I thought a mid

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Speaker 1: round pick. Mason's a fourth and Cannon was a fifth

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Speaker 1: third round is not highest draft pick they've got, and

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Speaker 1: their starting center was an undrafted rookie free agent. Okay,

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Speaker 1: but what do all those guys have in common? The

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Speaker 1: mentality to buy in to everything. That is the Patriots

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00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: way to get coached up to understand that it takes

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Speaker 1: a relentless amount of teamwork, effort, and study to excel.

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Speaker 1: And let's not forget this selflessness or unselfish play if

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Speaker 1: you will use whatever type of word you want to use,

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Speaker 1: when you buy into all of that. That's why Dave

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Speaker 1: Gentleman says culture is so important, and I don't like

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Speaker 1: that world. You guys know that, but it's a out

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00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: the mentality, the philosophy, and the work habits of your

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00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: locker room, and the Patriots get it right well. And

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Speaker 1: in addition to grooming players, I think they also deserve

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Speaker 1: credit for grooming coaches. That's what build question a really

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Speaker 1: good job. And you can say all you want about

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Speaker 1: guys leaving New England and not having a great deal

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Speaker 1: of success, but a guy like Brian Flores, who was

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Speaker 1: rumored to be the next Dolphins coach, he started at

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Speaker 1: the bottom of the rankings. He was a coaching assistant

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00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: and every single year they give him different positions. He

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00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: understood how to coach a variety of spots, and all

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00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: of a sudden he's in line to be a coach.

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Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels was groomed. You know, he's had a variety

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Speaker 1: of low level assistants who have moved up the ladder.

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Speaker 1: I think that deserves a lot of taking one step

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Speaker 1: further the Parcels coaching tree and again go back to

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Speaker 1: the eighties, the Bill Walsh coaching tree. Is it any

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Speaker 1: wonder that the coaching trees of those legends succeeded year

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Speaker 1: after year after year as they sprouted their own roots,

851
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: because Belichick is basically an extension of that. So it's

852
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,720
Speaker 1: all what your mentor taught you you now then pass

853
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 1: on to the people that serve under you. So I

854
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: don't think it should surprise anybody that Bill Belichick and

855
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: the Patriots are back in the thicket things and an

856
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: opportunity for them to claim another trophy and add another

857
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: piece of hardware on the mantel. Well, we've been focusing

858
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: a lot on the Giants offseason and what transpired on

859
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: conference championship Sunday. We're gonna switch gears now to the

860
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, another big event coming up this weekend in

861
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: addition to the Pro Bowl, and we are joined by

862
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: our very own John Schmelk, who is in Mobile, Alabama. John,

863
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: how are you doing today, gentlemen? How are you? We're

864
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: nearing the end of the first media availability session. It's

865
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 1: a big chaotic in here. There's a lot of people

866
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 1: running around doing a lot of stuff. But we managed

867
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: to talk to a bunch of the prospects that are

868
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: coming out, so it's been fun. John, What does the

869
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: schedule look like? NFL network is promising everybody a bunch

870
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: of live hours of coverage beginning at one o'clock. Have

871
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: they given you the layout, the logistics as to what's

872
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: gonna happen each day, Let's say people wanted to tune in.

873
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,439
Speaker 1: I don't know if the network's gonna actually have live

874
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: cameras at some of this stuff or they're just gonna

875
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: tape it. But is there any sense as to what

876
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: exactly you're gonna see when? I believe enough the networks

877
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: calling the practices like like like like they would um uh,

878
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: but you almost played by play of the practices, so

879
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: I believe they will be doing that um, first practice

880
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: I believe starts around one twenty. I would imagine coverage

881
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: would be started one on NFL network. People should check

882
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: their local listenings, of course, but um yeah, so imagine

883
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 1: that's gonna be the case. The problem you might run

884
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 1: into here, guys, and this is gonna be really interesting,

885
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 1: is that there's a chance of rain today, but it's

886
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,959
Speaker 1: not bad. Tomorrow it's supposed to be pouring a chance

887
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: of rain all day long, in which case they would

888
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: have to move practice to the Alabama State Indoor Practice facility.

889
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: The problem, as much like the Giants indoor practice facility,

890
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: there's no space to put anybody in there, so it

891
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: would be only I believe the teams, the coaches, and

892
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: maybe one or two representatives from each NFL team and

893
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: everyone else is going to be sent tape of practice

894
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: and that's how they're gonna break down Wednesday's practice. So

895
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 1: weather could put a little damper on Wednesday this week.

896
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: So as media, you might have to watch whatever NFL

897
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: network is able to televise if they have to move inside. Here,

898
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: here's the problem. They might not even have room to

899
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 1: put NFL network in there. Wow, Wow, that's a big deal.

900
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: That that is a pending, developing situation. I heard Jim Naggy,

901
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: who's now the executive director, when he spoke to the

902
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 1: media the day he was laying out that situation, which

903
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: is remarkable. Day. They just feel as if they'll have

904
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: enough video equipment to then at least give out to

905
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: the thirty two teams, But the media is the one

906
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 1: that's gonna be making the ultimate sacrifice to your point, John,

907
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: because they're not necessarily going to get a copy of

908
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: the tape. It's more important for the scouts and so forth. Well,

909
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: Jim Naggy also, I know, laid out the land in

910
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: terms of some of the years to look for, and

911
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: I think obviously the quarterback class John is intriguing this year.

912
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: Maybe not necessarily because it matches what last year's class

913
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: overall in the draft looked like. But I believe there's

914
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 1: eight quarterbacks in this year's game, and they all come

915
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: from different programs, different backgrounds, and this should be a

916
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 1: very interesting group to keep close tabs on. Yeah. Absolutely,

917
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: I don't under chance to talk to Jim Maggy before

918
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: media started today. That'll be on giants dot Com later

919
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: today at a real nice in depth interview in terms

920
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: of how they find the players here. Some of the

921
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: people that are excited about Atlanta A right. People are

922
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: paying attention to the quarterbacks. Uh. We've been waiting for

923
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: Will Greer show off to talk for like the last

924
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 1: forty five minutes. He might be lost in West Virginia somewhere.

925
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, not yet. Uh um and and and

926
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: the next media session features Drew Lock and the kid

927
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: from Duke, So uh, we haven't a chance of to

928
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 1: those guys yet, but yeah, you have three guys here

929
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: that could potentially be first round quarterbacks or Grim might

930
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: be a stretch, but Drew Lock and Jones the uh,

931
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 1: the kid from Duke could get into that second half

932
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: of the first round. And obviously quarterback lance always get

933
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: all the attention no matter where you are. They're the

934
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: people that everybody wants to see. So there will be

935
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: a lot of people looking at that position, even guys

936
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: like you know, Finley and stid him and goes with

937
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 1: guys like that, they could be middle round draft picks.

938
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: Uh that maybe people think they can develop a little bit.

939
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: And then he got one one guy that I'm sure

940
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 1: is gonna, you know, take some breath away here because

941
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: not a lot of people have looked at him. Is

942
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: the quarterback at a Buffalo um who's physically so gifted

943
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: that people are gonna be rowed by him. He checks

944
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: in this week at six seven and two d and

945
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: forty five pounds. He's got a cannon for an arm.

946
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: But he's not the most accurate guy in the world.

947
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: So I think he's somebody that is is gonna gonner

948
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: a lot of attention. But Drew Lock, Daniel Jones, those

949
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: are the two stars. You have not talked to him yet.

950
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: They play in the North team. And there'll be the

951
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 1: guys everyone's keeping an eye on, and that's just referred to.

952
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: That's Tyree Jackson had a Buffalo. Yeah, yeah, he's a moost.

953
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: He's a Dante Colepepper type physical specimen. John, Have they

954
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: given you guys a a full complete roster list of attendees,

955
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,479
Speaker 1: guys who have actually checked in, Because I know every

956
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,399
Speaker 1: once in a while in the last few days, we've

957
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: heard about a guy who guess what, he's not going

958
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: to be there, or maybe this guy did so right

959
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: in the Shrine game, suddenly he was added to the

960
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl week. Yeah, I have I have the list

961
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: that I have the roster that they gave to us

962
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: this morning. Any surprises there since then and I missed

963
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: them that I guess that's possible. But I have what

964
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 1: I would consider the most updated roster in front of me. Yes, yeah,

965
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 1: and any any surprises are there? A bunch of people

966
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: disappointed that certain guys are not gonna be there this week. Well,

967
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: the one, the one that kind of hit yesterday, and

968
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: obviously Josh Allen was last week. That's the big one.

969
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: Everyone's disappointed he's not going to be here. Um. But

970
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: the big name that we found out is here and

971
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: is participating. Um, But is is not gonna play or practice?

972
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: Is Jonathan Abraham, the safety at a Mississippi stating some

973
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: people think is an end of the first round pick. Um.

974
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 1: They found the shoulder injury with him when they did

975
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: medicals yesterday. So he's not going to practice, he's not

976
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: going to play in the game, but he's gonna be

977
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: here this week and go to meetings and and things

978
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 1: of that nature. So that was the last big disappointing

979
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: kind of drop we had, but it was a legitimate injury.

980
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: He's gonna be gone. And then the linebacker Willis is somebody,

981
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: um who's on on the rosters. He got a groin

982
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: injury and he bailed out. I think that was yesterday. Yeah,

983
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: that was the linebacker from Georgia that John is referring to. Correct.

984
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: He also missed his poll game as a result of

985
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: that groin injury too, so that wasn't necessarily a surprise.

986
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: Big picture, John, I know we focused on the quarterbacks

987
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: and you mentioned a few guys that are not gonna

988
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,919
Speaker 1: take part. But what's the other position to watch out

989
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: for in this year's Senior World class. Paul's gonna love it.

990
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 1: Keep an eye in the trenches. Boys. Uh, there are

991
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 1: a decent amount of offensive line prospects that can play, UM,

992
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: but I think the edge rush class is really really strong. UM.

993
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: One guy you're gonna hear about this week, probably for

994
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: the first time in your life, but for good reason,

995
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:06,919
Speaker 1: is a defensive end that of Old Dominion Oceane Ziminez. Um.

996
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: He was very productive playing in a small conference. He's

997
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: the first Old Dominion player to ever come to the

998
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: Senior Boy. He actually is a teammate here with him

999
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: to Travis Fulgum, the wide receiver. UM, he was dominant there.

1000
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,280
Speaker 1: I watched some of his tape last week. They kicking

1001
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: flat out play, but he didn't do it against great competition.

1002
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:27,399
Speaker 1: He'll have a chance. Jalen Ferguson at a Louisiana tech Um.

1003
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: He led the NT double A in sacks last year. Okay, Uh,

1004
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: he is production out the yin Yang, but can he

1005
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: convert that again from a smaller conference to the pros.

1006
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: That's someone to keep an eye of. Montez Sweat, He's

1007
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: a likely first round pick. He's between fifteen and twenty

1008
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: five and a lot of people's big overall boards. Uh.

1009
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: He's measured in at six six with thirty five I

1010
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: think in seven eighths or five eighths arms today. The

1011
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: guy's got polls that Jason Pierre Paul type blank with

1012
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: the arm, so uh, those are those that the position group.

1013
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,760
Speaker 1: And then at at offensive tackle, I think Andre Dillard

1014
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: is someone you watch from Washington State. Now, Paul's not

1015
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: gonna like it because Paul knows what they do at

1016
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: Washington State don't run the football. So I just talked

1017
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,760
Speaker 1: to him a few minutes ago. He's not the biggest

1018
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: frame guy. He's more of a less tackle pass pro type,

1019
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,879
Speaker 1: and he was actually talking about. He goes, yeah, I've

1020
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 1: been working and getting into a three point stands the

1021
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: last few weeks. It's oh, Jay, I'm glad somebody actually

1022
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: told him he had to learn that for a change.

1023
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: By the way, do the Risner is an interesting guy.

1024
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 1: He was a tackle in college. People think he might

1025
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: be a center. You got a couple of the guys

1026
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: from Wisconsin that are here that are good players that

1027
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: you know Wisconsin well, you know how good how good

1028
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: they are producing offensive lineman, So uh, that'll be something

1029
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: you definitely keep an eye because you remember, guys, the

1030
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: way the Senior Bowl works is only seniors. You know,

1031
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: these skill positions receivers, running back and stuff like that.

1032
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: These guys won't come out early. You don't have any

1033
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 1: great seniors at those positions. So uh, you the more

1034
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: of the bigger guys here that are seniors that are

1035
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,439
Speaker 1: going to show out. Well, John, you said that they're

1036
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 1: talking about rain for tomorrow. Do they know or they

1037
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: have any anticipation that it's going to affect the third

1038
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: or fourth day in terms of actually getting to the

1039
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: game as well? What are they saying there? Really is

1040
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: in a fourth day? Friday really is basically the NFL. Saturday,

1041
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: it's a day off. There's really nothing going on on Friday.

1042
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: Uh No, Thursday supposed to beautiful. Its be in the

1043
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: mid fifties and sunny, because they should be a full

1044
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: day of practice and I think by the weekend that

1045
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: should be clear too. So really, the only day you're

1046
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: in danger of losing his Wednesday. Yeah, because really that

1047
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: really puts and I'm not trying to be funny, but

1048
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: what a damper that puts on the whole thing. I mean,

1049
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: because there's so many guys who are there specifically because

1050
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: they need to see these people up close and personal,

1051
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: and to think that they might actually lose the opportunity

1052
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: because they gotta worry about moving them in, It's just

1053
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: that's just horrible. Well, John, I hope you packed the

1054
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: raincode or the umbrella. At least he's working sidelines for

1055
00:54:54,719 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: me during college season. I hope he brought the necessary instruments.

1056
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: All there, we go, any see, any C had any

1057
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: ce Jack and any C gloves. Come on, John, and

1058
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: I know you had that stuff. All right, John, We

1059
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: will speak to you as you move forward with your

1060
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: coverage from Mobile, Alabama the rest of the week. We alright,

1061
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Speaker 1: that is John schmilch our very own from Mobile, Alabama,

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00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: the latest in terms of the Siegor ball. I did

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00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: hear Jim Naggi's press conference, and I'm glad John hit

1064
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: on that. He did not sound very optimistic about Mother

1065
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 1: Nature because the media was questioning the schedule and he

1066
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, we got a college lined up, but

1067
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: don't expect to be able to watch and view practice.

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00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,240
Speaker 1: Their plan is they're gonna be able to distribute tapes

1069
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 1: to the thirty two teams, but the media is not

1070
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: going to like the game plan based on how the

1071
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: layout of the field just does not allow them to

1072
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: take advantage of it. I'm not trying to be a

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00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 1: wise guy, but the combine is held indoors in Indianapolis,

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00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: first at the Who'sia Dome and now of course at

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00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 1: at Lucas Oil States. I'm just asking you, right, I mean,

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00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: for such an important event, a week long event, which

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00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: carries a number of critical results and factors into teams

1078
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: scouting plans, and they're they're drafting plans, wouldn't you think

1079
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,720
Speaker 1: that they would have that's fair kind of thought about

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00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: a better facility that could deal with that. And I

1081
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: know the senior Bowl is synonymous with Alabama. I'm not

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00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 1: saying that I'm an expert on Alabama, but I find

1083
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: it hard to believe that they don't have some indoor

1084
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: facility in Alabama that can at least house NFL workouts

1085
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: or something to that degree. So perhaps that's something to

1086
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: look into. I don't know what the track record is

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00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: or the weather. There may be contracts and sponsorships and

1088
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: different commitments that theyre trying to have them locked in.

1089
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 1: But if this should happen and they get horrible rain

1090
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: tomorrow and it does cause such a dramatic impact on

1091
00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: the scouts ability to do what they want to do, again,

1092
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: people have to think ahead. Okay, it just seems to

1093
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: me so many things happen in pro football where people

1094
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: aren't thinking ahead. The problem is you just you never

1095
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 1: know what the forecast is gonna be in It's hard

1096
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: to predict that three or four weeks in advance. But

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00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: in these times where you have so many dome stadiums

1098
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: and dome facilities that have sprung up in the last

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00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: thirty years, you would think that someone would have said, hey,

1100
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: let's take advantage of this when we have a chance. Well,

1101
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 1: the ones that get hurt the most. Listen, I understand

1102
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: the media is going to be irritated and this and that.

1103
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: It's really the players because the who point of the

1104
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: Senior bowls to try to raise your stock, And if

1105
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: the media is not there to help raise your stock

1106
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 1: and talk about you and do interviews, you're not necessarily

1107
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: taking full advantage of the resources around you. So those

1108
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: are the players that I think suffer the most. It's

1109
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: not so much the scouts and anybody else. To me,

1110
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: it's the players. The Senior Bowl is so that you

1111
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: can showcase your skill set. So that's the unfortunate part.

1112
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Speaker 1: All right, I know we're a little bit over, but

1113
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: let's try to squeeze in another caller or two before

1114
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: we wrap up shop. Here a lot of people waiting patiently.

1115
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: Coach Marvin is on the line. Coach Marvin is in

1116
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: Delaware here on Big Blue Kickoff Live. What's happening to

1117
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: Coach Marvin? How are they're doing? Lasting Paul? Hey, coach, right, coach,

1118
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: what do you got for us? I gotta guess I

1119
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: gotta go quick. Um, I want to try to squeeze

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00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 1: in another caller. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I was going, Um, well,

1121
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: I wanted to say, Uh, I've lived in New England

1122
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: for twenty seven years, so I saw the Patriots when

1123
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: they're bad times to where they are. And this guy

1124
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: that called earlier thinking that think going to neutralize um

1125
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: the Rams, I kind of like disagree. I think, um,

1126
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,919
Speaker 1: but they're gonna the big New England because they're well

1127
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: coached obviously, is you've got to compress the the the

1128
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: throwing zones. Where what I mean by that they are

1129
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: they are a Deacon Dunk type of team. They like

1130
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: crossing routes the majority of the time. They don't stretch

1131
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: the field and if you've noticed over the years, they

1132
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: never really drafted as really good bio receivers, so they

1133
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,919
Speaker 1: don't have outstanding receivers. So what they do they try

1134
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: to utilize and edlement, which they always been doing, um,

1135
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 1: replacing the plot receivers with quick guys until they can

1136
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: have two way goals. And that's what they're basing it on, right.

1137
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: I believe that this is a theme that matches well

1138
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: as this No England because the outside corners can play

1139
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 1: man demand and then you can come down into those

1140
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: zones against those flocks and routes. And I think that's

1141
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 1: what Wade Philip, who is the excellent who can't support

1142
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: me that. I think that's what they're gonna do if

1143
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: they're gonna make Brady hold the ball longer than he

1144
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 1: wants to, And that's what they they're blocking because they

1145
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: get rid of the ball. If they're not getting rid

1146
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: of the ball, Brady has trouble. He has trouble with

1147
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: the Giants because they don't match up well in the

1148
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: middle of the uh up front, so he had to

1149
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 1: he holds the ball a little longer and and then

1150
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: the Giants were able to get to him. Pittsburgh did

1151
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: the same thing this year. Jacksonville did the same thing

1152
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: this year. They can be done. It's just you gotta

1153
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: have the personnel to do it well. And I would

1154
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: argue I think the Chiefs did have some of the personnel.

1155
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: I mean they did tie with Pittsburgh for the team lead,

1156
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: the league lead. Excuse me, in sacks this year, Chris Jones,

1157
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: justin Houston, d Ford, those guys get after the quarterback.

1158
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: New England completely neutralize those guys, well, they did neutralize them,

1159
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: but again, look at the past thing that they did.

1160
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: It was a lot to element underneath a lot to

1161
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: the type well and also over the middle of the field,

1162
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: though they utilized that omen too. You know, Brady was

1163
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 1: throwing about twenty yards down the fields Edleman and grunt

1164
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 1: to it wasn't so much there, but I mean coming

1165
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: out of the slot. I don't know if he threw

1166
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: it twenty yards or compared to Edelman running at twenty yards.

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01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 1: I'm just saying they played a lot of their safeties

1168
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: with deep playing Cover two. At times they came with

1169
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: a cover um with a Cover three which didn't pan out,

1170
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: but they hit ground on a slant matched up with Barry,

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01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: and then they just had a bad defensive secondary plan

1172
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: that left holes in there for them to fry. You know,

1173
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 1: wat Marvin, here's the one thing that I wonder. I'm

1174
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: not disputing what you're saying because there's sound logic behind it,

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01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: and usually you and I agree a lot um. I'm

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01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 1: not so sure that they're going to be able to

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01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 1: force the Patriots to become so one dimensional, because if

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Speaker 1: the Patriots can run the ball, and my goodness, Grant

1179
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 1: was a phenomenal blocker the other day. He was a

1180
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: beast blocking it tight end when he wasn't catching passes

1181
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 1: and that's about as good as he's looked all season,

1182
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 1: and maybe in the last three years he was just

1183
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: an absolute monster and helping that line find holes and

1184
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 1: plow their way. I mean, if if Brady is going

1185
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: to have the opportunity to maintain balance throughout the course

1186
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: of the game, then what you're talking about is not

1187
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: going to have much of an impact. Um and I agree,

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01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: and you agree that. I mean, I can agree with

1189
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 1: those things. I'm not gonna say you're wrong. I'm just saying,

1190
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: but the tighten with the corners that they have, they

1191
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 1: can play press against these mediocre receivers they have well.

1192
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 1: I also, I think this is also going to be

1193
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: a game, Marvin, where they're going to try to utilize

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01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: James White out of the backfield because the Rams, to me,

1195
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 1: don't have coverage guys that match up well with running backs,

1196
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: and we saw that with Alvin Kamara. And I'm not

1197
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: saint James White's Alvin Kamara, but I think they're gonna

1198
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: go after those linebackers and see whether or not they

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Speaker 1: could cover guys out of the backfield. And I agree

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01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 1: with that. But Donald is a different beach. He is

1201
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: different than anybody in the NFL, and he's different than

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01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: anybody they've seen, and also who has played well in

1203
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks. He's come on against the

1204
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 1: run in the last couple of weeks. You know, you

1205
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: can be right. You can be right, but I will

1206
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: be calling you after that Super Bowl to find out

1207
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 1: if I was right or wrong. We got two weeks yet.

1208
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: The other thing I want to talk about is the

1209
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: referee and UM. I don't agree with us to replay

1210
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 1: for um for an inference call. I don't know if

1211
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 1: that is a helmet to helmet. I'm used to seeing

1212
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 1: helmet the helmets where they used the crown of the helmet.

1213
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 1: He didn't look like he used the crown, and watching

1214
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:09,959
Speaker 1: it on TV, I thought something was wrong with it,

1215
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 1: but I wasn't clear until they floated down and then

1216
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, that's a passing offense. But when I

1217
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 1: first saw it, it just looked weird. Looked like you

1218
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 1: got there almost the same time as the ball when

1219
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: it eventually first happened from the angles were watching it.

1220
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 1: But it was a bad call. But I wouldn't open

1221
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 1: up that track where I mean, I've lost a couple

1222
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 1: of games on bad calls and I wouldn't. You just

1223
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 1: have to deal with them. It's just a human error.

1224
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 1: It's like calling, like you said, land in a in

1225
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 1: a basketball game, and you can call a foul every

1226
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 1: time in a in a baseball game. If he complained

1227
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: about the strike zone all the time, helmets, terror is

1228
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 1: just gonna be part of the game and he's just

1229
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 1: gonna have to deal with him. And my my last thing,

1230
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if y'all saw in the site I

1231
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 1: talked to you about earlier this month about um Sutton smiff.

1232
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 1: I guess they put him up on the draft prospect

1233
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: to that. I don't know if you guys saw that. No,

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01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: I didn't. I personally did not see that. Obviously, we'll

1235
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 1: check that out as they continue to update that. One

1236
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 1: thing before you go, Marvin, it wasn't about the crown

1237
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 1: of the helmet. It wasn't a targeting thing that people

1238
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: were talking about. The fact is he ran into a

1239
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 1: defenseless receiver and helmet, the helmet contact was involved. The

1240
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 1: defenseless receiver penalty certainly applies in that case, and it

1241
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 1: wasn't thrown. I'm not talking about a targeting penalty. I'm

1242
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 1: talking about hitting a defenseless receiver. You don't have to

1243
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: use the crown to do that. Yeah, there was clearly early.

1244
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 1: I think he was defenseless. There was no question about that,

1245
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 1: and we don't know what would happen. A good example,

1246
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: real quick was remember when the Patriots um Helman. They

1247
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 1: thought he touched the ball and bumble was hard to

1248
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 1: see it, right. Do you know what happened to plays

1249
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 1: after that? It was in the after Yeah, so you

1250
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 1: never know. You never know. Thanks, go both ways and

1251
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 1: appreciate the phone call lenn Is in Columbia, Maryland, Len,

1252
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: what's happening? Hey, guys, Marvin's always a great listen, really serious,

1253
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 1: he really knows the game. Um. You know, the worst

1254
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 1: penalty of the day on Sunday to me, self inflicted

1255
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 1: damage to your own team was DeFord lining up side

1256
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 1: on third down and given Brady in the last two

1257
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:37,439
Speaker 1: minutes more plays to try to score a Touchdow. God,

1258
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 1: that was a devastating really really, I don't know how

1259
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 1: you line up off side. I just I don't get it,

1260
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 1: but it happens. There's always one call like that in

1261
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 1: a game. But I thought that was the most difficult

1262
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 1: to you know, the most difficult of the of the calls.

1263
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: The good News it was legit. That's at least it

1264
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 1: was a legit. I was really interested in your conversation

1265
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 1: with Joe from Pence Van you're earlier in the call,

1266
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 1: earlier in the program. Um, you know, the discussion between

1267
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 1: Uniteds and the modern day quarterbacks and so forth. The

1268
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: one thing we could say about the United's era, and

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Speaker 1: he really was great. I mean, Uniteds was great. And

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Speaker 1: anybody wants a measure of United's go look at the

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Speaker 1: last player that championship game, of of of the regular game,

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Speaker 1: and then the first series of the playoffs, and oh

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Speaker 1: my goodness and dramatic. The one difference between the two,

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Speaker 1: you know you, I think you were both right if

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Speaker 1: if that's if that's possible, and that is Joe's point

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Speaker 1: was playing quarterback in those days was downright dangerous. I

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Speaker 1: mean they got they got hit a lot, and it

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Speaker 1: was also much more difficult. And you touched on it, Paul,

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Speaker 1: just just thinking about the fields that they played on

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Speaker 1: and things of that nature. Um, that was that was

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Speaker 1: a tough era for quarterbacks. They had more interceptions, they

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Speaker 1: had less yardage, um, all of those things. But there

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Speaker 1: was a combination of reasons why. But I agree with you, Paul,

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Speaker 1: United's right there at the top. UM. I liked your

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Speaker 1: discussions on offensive lines, um, and and thank you for

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Speaker 1: mentioning this. Mentioned in the center position. We gotta get

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Speaker 1: more production out of our center next year. We gotta

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Speaker 1: get more more production out of that position. That's the key.

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Speaker 1: I know they keep talking about left tackles, but man,

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Speaker 1: that offensive center is so important, just that anchored to

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Speaker 1: that offensive line. You know, there's an offensive tackle at

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Speaker 1: Alabama State, and John mentioned that that's where the practice

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Speaker 1: indo practice facility will be. I just can't pull back

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Speaker 1: the name. But he is a big dude and a

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Speaker 1: highly rated offensive tackle. Remember the name. He's from Alabama State. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Alabama State. Yeah. I don't know if he's in the

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. He's on the Senior Bowl roster. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: on the roster. Good, he'll be a good one to watch.

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Speaker 1: He's UM. The writeups on him a very good, very good. Um.

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Speaker 1: The best thing about the Senior Bowl for me is

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Speaker 1: those measurements. I mean, you get the first accurate, semi

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Speaker 1: accurate anyway measurements. I mean, sometimes you know, schools are

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Speaker 1: like no to Dame. They give they you know, they

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Speaker 1: give you a weight in a heighth freshman year, and

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Speaker 1: you can say you can find that same height and

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Speaker 1: weight on the guy who seen you year. It never

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Speaker 1: never begin to see height and weight. It's much more

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Speaker 1: important for the ultimate is to combine. It's much more

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Speaker 1: important to see what they do in pads. Though measurements

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Speaker 1: are all great and it's nice to put numbers on

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Speaker 1: the page, they don't do anything in pads. It's really irrelevant.

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Speaker 1: It's meaningless. Well, you know, I don't know. You look

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Speaker 1: at the top three defensive backs. I'm anxious to see

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Speaker 1: when when the combine comes those top three defensive backs, Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, I really want to see it weight on them. Um,

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Speaker 1: I think they're hovering them right around one eighty. That's

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Speaker 1: that's a little small in the NFL. Well, But the

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Speaker 1: point is if they don't do anything when they put

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Speaker 1: the pads on in the helmet on the field, who

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Speaker 1: cares what the measurements are at the end of the day.

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Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. Well, yeah, okay, yeah, I get that. Lance.

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Speaker 1: It's a very good point. But I still say, you know,

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Speaker 1: you're taking the chance on a guy that's under drafting

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Speaker 1: a guy, particularly in the first round, who was under

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Speaker 1: hunt it in eighty pounds the last in this league,

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Speaker 1: you get beat up. I don't care what position you play.

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Speaker 1: It's a big man's game. It's a big man escape.

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Speaker 1: That's guys. Thanks for taking and I'm looking forward to

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Speaker 1: John's reports from down South. Thank you sounds good. Appreciate

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Speaker 1: the phone call and a reminder to stay locked to

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Speaker 1: Giants dot com over the next few days for Pro

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Speaker 1: Bowl and Senior Bowl reports. And we'll be up and

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Speaker 1: running on Big Blue Kickoff Live each and every weekday

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Speaker 1: for us here on Tuesday's program. Appreciate everybody for tuning in.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back up and running tomorrow for Paul to Tino.

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Speaker 1: I'm Lance metto enjoy the rest of your Tuesday right

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Speaker 1: here on Johnants dot com. I'm a going