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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist,

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Speaker 2: and speaker.

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Speaker 3: And this is Sarah Hartunger. I'm a mother of three,

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Speaker 3: a practicing physician and blogger. On the side, we are

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Speaker 3: two working parents who love our careers and our families.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds.

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Speaker 2: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family,

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Speaker 2: and time for fun. From figuring out childcare to mapping

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Speaker 2: out long term career goals. We want you to get

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Speaker 2: the most out of life.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. This is Laura. This

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Speaker 1: episode is airing in late January of twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 1: and we are going to be talking about mornings, morning routines,

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Speaker 1: how mornings look, things we've thought about over the years

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Speaker 1: for making mornings better. This is a perennial favorite topic.

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Speaker 1: If you came to me randomly, like any of my books,

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Speaker 1: probably the most likely one you read is called What

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Speaker 1: the Most Successful People Do Before Breakfast, which turns out

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Speaker 1: to be my most clickable time I Ever, there's something

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Speaker 1: about mornings, basically because they are useful to many people.

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Speaker 1: If you work a full time job, particularly if you

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Speaker 1: need to commute somewhere if you have a family, mornings

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Speaker 1: are generally going to be your best bet for any

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Speaker 1: serious personal pursuits because you're most likely going to be

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Speaker 1: tired after work. You have your family responsibilities after work,

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Speaker 1: Whereas if you know you get up in the morning,

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Speaker 1: you can do those things before the day starts, and

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Speaker 1: then they are done. You don't have to find a

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Speaker 1: time for them later. So this is how people really

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Speaker 1: put me time into their days, right, Sarah, I mean

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Speaker 1: how the some of the morning routine literature out there

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Speaker 1: is a little bit nutty, Yes, yes it is. I

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Speaker 1: mean I love mornings. I love this topic.

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Speaker 3: I love morning routine, so I'm super excited to talk

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Speaker 3: about them. But when I hear morning routines, I actually

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Speaker 3: tend to have like two images come to mind. One

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Speaker 3: is like some like dude bro that wakes up at

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Speaker 3: four am to do three hours of like he wouldn't

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Speaker 3: brand it a self care because that doesn't sound manly.

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Speaker 1: Enough self care.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but like work, hardcore exercise, special smoothies, cold plunge

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Speaker 3: like whatever to make yourself hardcore with no mention of

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Speaker 3: any kind of like family members or other responsibilities, or

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Speaker 3: like a woman at home presumably childless because again, no

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Speaker 3: one's interrupting her doing a fifteen step hair and makeup

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Speaker 3: routine before she starts her day. We're not going to

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of steps. Seems like your morning could

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Speaker 1: last a while if you're doing that. So, yeah, our

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Speaker 1: mornings don't look like either of those. Uh, don't worry.

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Speaker 1: We're not no cold plunges over here, Sarah. You're not

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Speaker 1: cut into cold plunges, are you.

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Speaker 3: No. I think I'm closer to that dude bro than

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Speaker 3: I am to the woman, but unlike him, no cold plunges.

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Speaker 1: And I really enjoy.

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Speaker 3: Most of the aspects of my morning routine, and I

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Speaker 3: definitely have aspects that involve helping others as well, not

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Speaker 1: So we're going to share a little bit about what

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Speaker 1: our mornings look like, and then we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about some common pitfalls that can happen if you're trying

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Speaker 1: to build a morning routine, and maybe troubleshoot a few

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Speaker 1: of those. So if you've been pondering altering morning routine

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Speaker 1: or creating a morning routine, maybe there will be something

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Speaker 1: helpful in this episode for you. So we're gonna start

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Speaker 1: with Sarah because she is like the Queen of the

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Speaker 1: morning routine. So it's varied a little bit over the years.

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Speaker 1: But what is it looking like these days? Sarah.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you a play by play because I

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Speaker 3: enjoy episodes where people don't just talk in generalities, but

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Speaker 3: specific So we're going to give that to you today,

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Speaker 3: both Laura and IY. So on weekdays, I get up

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Speaker 3: something with carbs. Learn this from Megan Featherston, a sports

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Speaker 3: I love to listen to Up first while I'm in

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Speaker 1: That's my main news source of the day.

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Speaker 3: And then I do a very abbreviated hair and makeup.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I've timed myself it's like seven minutes total,

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Speaker 3: I drive Mondays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Fridays. Josh drives Thursdays.

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Speaker 3: So this is, you know, our kind of our default

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Speaker 3: There are three kids, they have all their stuff, they

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Speaker 1: And you almost always build in an hour before you

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Speaker 3: I just I can't. I know there's some people who

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Speaker 3: just say bedtime is part of my morning routine because

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Speaker 3: I get up really early, and there's no way that

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Speaker 1: Most nights. I'm not saying every night. I don't want

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Speaker 3: you want, and then gradually figuring out if you can

435
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Speaker 3: do kind of more of a split. And then finally,

436
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Speaker 3: a very popular option that I think does work for

437
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Speaker 3: some people is to just give up on having time

438
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Speaker 3: at home in the morning, but to try to reclaim

439
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Speaker 3: some minutes for yourself at the beginning of your work day.

440
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Speaker 3: And depending on what type of work you do, that

441
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Speaker 3: might mean having to get to work a little bit easier,

442
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Speaker 3: which can have two full benefits because sometimes that means

443
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Speaker 3: beating traffic, which I meean your commute is less, which

444
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Speaker 3: means then you actually end up with like more time,

445
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Speaker 3: like you've bought yourself some time, and then you can

446
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Speaker 3: get in those desired habits at your workplace if you

447
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Speaker 3: work outside of your home and as opposed to like

448
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Speaker 3: working from home because it's not going to work as well.

449
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Speaker 3: Then but like you're getting to your office, but you're

450
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Speaker 3: not starting right away with your first meeting or whatever,

451
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Speaker 3: You're actually gonna do your habits that you wanted to do,

452
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Speaker 3: or even if you didn't want to start the day earlier,

453
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Speaker 3: potentially if you did have a lunch break that you

454
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Speaker 3: could play with, shorten that lunch break, but take some

455
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Speaker 3: time in the morning before you start with your regular work.

456
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Speaker 3: So that would be kind of a way of best

457
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Speaker 3: of both worlds.

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Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, yeah, I just having flashbacks of all

459
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Speaker 1: the mornings Alex is up. I wasn't trying to get

460
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Speaker 1: up early to do anything in the morning. He'd just

461
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Speaker 1: be up like he used to wake up at like

462
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Speaker 1: five point forty five every morning for unknown reasons. And yeah,

463
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Speaker 1: as soon as he was interested in videos, that was

464
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Speaker 1: very exciting because then whatever adult was up with him

465
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Speaker 1: could like read at least or something while he was watching. God,

466
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Speaker 1: there's this horrible Chuck video. He ride the truck, the

467
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Speaker 1: little Chuck truck. I don't know, anyway, he was into it.

468
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Speaker 1: That's glad when he was lessened to it. So yeah,

469
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 1: that just sympathies there. But the good news again is

470
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Speaker 1: like kids do get older, and if you are sort

471
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Speaker 1: of average family with two children who are about two

472
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Speaker 1: to three years apart, you are only spending five years

473
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Speaker 1: or so with children under the age of two, and

474
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Speaker 1: you're probably in the thick of it, which is why

475
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Speaker 1: you're listening to this podcast. But it will end and

476
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Speaker 1: then you will have more control over your mornings or

477
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Speaker 1: you know, you can do crazy things like have five

478
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Speaker 1: children spread out over many, many years and then you're

479
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Speaker 1: always dealing with it. But maybe you don't wake up

480
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Speaker 1: all that early as it is, So yeah, pick what

481
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Speaker 1: you want. So there could be oh, go ahead, No,

482
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Speaker 1: I have to say. The other thing is people like, well,

483
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Speaker 1: wait it work. It takes too long to work out

484
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Speaker 1: in the morning, or maybe they're like you and they

485
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Speaker 1: need an hour to go and they're like, I can't

486
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Speaker 1: stomach the thought of waking up an hour even earlier

487
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Speaker 1: than the workout. So what are some things you can

488
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Speaker 1: do with that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So definitely thinking about which workouts are going to

490
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Speaker 3: fit your current season. And there is a reason that

491
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Speaker 3: I did not run any long distance type races for

492
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Speaker 3: a decade, like didn't fit my lifestyle, and so know

493
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Speaker 3: that things may change. At home workouts are super popular

494
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Speaker 3: with parents of young kids for a reason. That might

495
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Speaker 3: be the peloton bike, it might be you know videos,

496
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Speaker 3: there's so many different YouTube creators that make really efficient

497
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Speaker 3: workout sessions you can do at home at weights or cardio,

498
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Speaker 3: and I do feel like during those stages like perfect

499
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Speaker 3: is the enemy of the good, you can do fifteen

500
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Speaker 3: to twenty minutes two or three times a week, and

501
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Speaker 3: maybe a couple of those can be weekends, and that

502
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Speaker 3: still is going to count. That is still activity. Your

503
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Speaker 3: body feels it and probably will bring you at least

504
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Speaker 3: some benefit more than doing nothing.

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Speaker 1: If exercise is something you want in your life. Yeah,

506
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Speaker 1: and you don't have to do the same thing every day,

507
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Speaker 1: like a morning routine does not have to be the

508
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Speaker 1: same every single day. It isn't for either of us.

509
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Speaker 1: And because life changes day to day. Is sort of

510
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Speaker 1: think of the whole week, and are there a couple

511
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Speaker 1: times you can do a workout during the course of

512
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Speaker 1: the week, Then that would be great three times a

513
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Speaker 1: week as a habit, as we often say around here.

514
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Speaker 1: And you know the reason. Yeah, we got a treadmill

515
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Speaker 1: so we can do in home workouts when it's dark

516
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Speaker 1: and cold out in the morning, for instance. But I

517
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Speaker 1: think if I was telling myself, well, what's even the

518
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Speaker 1: point of exercising from six thirty five to six fifty

519
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Speaker 1: five and I didn't do it, well, then that's a

520
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Speaker 1: couple miles less per week that I would run. So

521
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Speaker 1: since I'm saying, well that's time I can use, let

522
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Speaker 1: me use it. You know, I get something in and

523
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Speaker 1: something is is definitely better than nothing awesome.

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Speaker 3: Well, another common problem is that you have two parents,

525
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Speaker 3: maybe they both work, but there's no clearly defined ownership

526
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Speaker 3: of the morning, or a person is a single parent

527
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Speaker 3: or solo parenting during the week.

528
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Speaker 1: This is tough.

529
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Speaker 3: I think the ownership really does bear a conversation, maybe

530
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Speaker 3: not a desired conversation on the part of someone who

531
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Speaker 3: might not be doing as much as the other partner,

532
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Speaker 3: but still an important one to have. And maybe the

533
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Speaker 3: answer is, hey, this person just is not a morning person.

534
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Speaker 3: They're going to help out in other ways, but at

535
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Speaker 3: least it's kind of clearly delineated. And I do feel

536
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Speaker 3: like two people like sort of taking charge can end

537
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Speaker 3: up being like harder for both people than one person,

538
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Speaker 3: like clearly owning I do breakfast, I get the kids dressed,

539
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Speaker 3: you know, I get the kids do xyz before this happens,

540
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Speaker 3: and then you take over, like I think sometimes and

541
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Speaker 3: this is not about tit for tat, It's just about

542
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Speaker 3: making sure each person's needs are met and that people

543
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Speaker 3: kind of know kind of what their role is. You

544
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Speaker 3: would have that discussion in a professional situation, and I

545
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Speaker 3: think it's worthwhile to have at home as well.

546
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there might be some other solution too. I mean,

547
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Speaker 1: some daycare is open relatively early. So if you have

548
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Speaker 1: a situation where your daycare opens at seven, but you

549
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Speaker 1: don't usually start work till nine, I mean, the option

550
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Speaker 1: would exist. Like you know, if you wanted to take

551
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Speaker 1: two mornings a week and bring the kid to daycare

552
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Speaker 1: at seven and then go do a long run and

553
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Speaker 1: shower and then get to work at nine. I mean

554
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Speaker 1: that could work, right, Like, that is an option and

555
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: is there, and you're probably paying the same tuition regardless

556
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Speaker 1: of what hours you're using, and so that's something that

557
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Speaker 1: you could potentially do if you have a situation where

558
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Speaker 1: you know your partner's traveling during the week or you're

559
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Speaker 1: on your own or something like that. Obviously, the in

560
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Speaker 1: home thing is is great. You know, if you can

561
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Speaker 1: get a there's always you know, people are selling treadmills

562
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Speaker 1: all the time because they thought they were going to

563
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Speaker 1: run and then they used it for hanging their clothes on.

564
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Speaker 1: So that might be something to look into. Putting one

565
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Speaker 1: in your basement so that you could get up and

566
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Speaker 1: run if you can't leave the house because you're the

567
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Speaker 1: only adult. There definitely something to think about. I would

568
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Speaker 1: also point out if you have a partner who is

569
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Speaker 1: traveling a lot for work, they are getting mourning solo

570
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Speaker 1: time by default on the days they are gone, so

571
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Speaker 1: it is absolutely fine for you to have it on

572
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Speaker 1: the days that they are home, and that can just

573
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Speaker 1: be part of the understanding and I don't think anyone

574
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Speaker 1: needs to feel like guilty or like they're asking for

575
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Speaker 1: something huge with that trade off. Now, some people have

576
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Speaker 1: to work very early, so morning routines when that happens.

577
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Speaker 1: I mean, this has been more of a thing now

578
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Speaker 1: as people are working in different locations, right, I mean,

579
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Speaker 1: I know you're hearing from people with like five am zooms, right, yeah.

580
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Speaker 3: People, I mean they may have to like call into

581
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Speaker 3: the London office in the London office as they're meeting

582
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Speaker 3: at nine am, which puts you at like four am

583
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Speaker 3: or something, you know, crazy. Obviously depends on the job,

584
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 3: but there are people doing that kind of thing. I

585
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 3: think that's where the bedtime is part of your morning's

586
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 3: conversation really comes into play, because you cannot plan on

587
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Speaker 3: doing that and like also going to bed at ten

588
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 3: o'clock and watch or like midnight and watching a bunch

589
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 3: of shows, like if it's just never going to work,

590
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 3: So do that math, think about when your night needs

591
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 3: to start, and then also make sure that it's fair

592
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 3: from a work perspective. I mean, again, obviously every position

593
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 3: is different, and not every position is going to be like, oh,

594
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Speaker 3: you work an eight hour day and that's what we

595
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Speaker 3: expect you. But at the same time, if you have

596
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Speaker 3: a five am meeting, hopefully that you're not expected to

597
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Speaker 3: then be on meetings until solidly until five pm or

598
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Speaker 3: seven pm or something like that, because that is a

599
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Speaker 3: lot of hours. And so kind of just really thinking

600
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Speaker 3: about the proportions of your week and making sure that

601
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Speaker 3: they are reasonable, or looking for another job because I mean,

602
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't want to do fourteen hours a day of Zoom,

603
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 3: and probably most people don't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, again, this is a situation where you think one

605
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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty eight hours, not twenty four. Like, if

606
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Speaker 1: you have zooms at five am and six pm on Tuesday,

607
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: maybe that means that you should block off Wednesday afternoon

608
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Speaker 1: and decide that that's comp time. It's not that you're

609
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: getting away with anything, it's that you have put in

610
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: a longer day Tuesday, and now you're going to put

611
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: in a shorter day on Wednesday, or you're going to

612
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Speaker 1: come in later on Wednesday morning and you're going to

613
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Speaker 1: do whatever morning routine you would have done on Tuesday

614
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Speaker 1: on Wednesday and take that time for your own purposes.

615
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: And like, again, you don't have to do the same

616
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Speaker 1: routine every single day. I was talking with a group

617
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Speaker 1: of consultants once with a speech and somebody was like, well,

618
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to build a morning routine that I do

619
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Speaker 1: every single day, and I'm like, yeah, good luck with that.

620
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: I know, you are on a plane at six am

621
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Speaker 1: on like Tuesday, and then you're on a train on

622
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Speaker 1: Thursday somewhere in the morning, and then you know, it's

623
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Speaker 1: just the time. It doesn't have to look like that.

624
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Speaker 1: And if you think that you're gonna do something at

625
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Speaker 1: the same time every single morning, at the same time,

626
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: and you are in that sort of job, it's just

627
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna be very frustrated and you're gonna feel like

628
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: you're failing. And you're not failing. It's that you set

629
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Speaker 1: yourself up to do something that doesn't fit with the

630
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: life you have. But you could definitely have what you

631
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: might think of as a morning checklist, like over the

632
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: course of the morning, I am going to do these

633
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: three things. That's what I think of my stuff. I mean,

634
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: I write my sonnets, I you know, listen to my bock,

635
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: I do my back exercises. Now, those are the three

636
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Speaker 1: things I do in the morning. And sometimes it happens

637
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Speaker 1: by seven am. Sometimes it happens by ten am. Sometimes

638
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: it happens by noon. Right, it's still mostly happening in

639
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: the morning. Sometimes I do my morning routine night because

640
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Speaker 1: I haven't gotten to it yet. I think it's better

641
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: to think about what would you like to include it

642
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: in your life? Where can you include it? Now, for

643
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: many people, that is going to wind up being mornings,

644
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: because if you have a full time job and you

645
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: commute and you have a family, that is the time

646
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Speaker 1: you generally can have for yourself. But it doesn't have

647
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Speaker 1: to be and so you know, there's nothing magical about mornings.

648
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Speaker 1: It's just that it tends to be the time that

649
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Speaker 1: works for a lot of people. So quick bonus, Sarah,

650
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Speaker 1: breakfast favorites. What are you eating for breakfast or your

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Speaker 1: kids eating for breakfast these days?

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Speaker 3: By glamorous breakfast, But you're eating your graham crackers and yogurt.

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Speaker 3: That's the breakfast of champions around a protein bar. Yet

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Speaker 3: at a protein bar do so for the kids. So

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Speaker 3: one thing I like to do is to like buy

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Speaker 3: a bake good on Sunday so Monday's more fun. It

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Speaker 3: gets them out of bed. Usually it's like Trader Joe's

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Speaker 3: banana bread whatever. We always have smoothie stuff on hand.

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Speaker 3: They like to make them themselves so they can decide

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Speaker 3: what goes in there. We have lately been embracing it's

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Speaker 3: been cold, I mean our version of cold, like it

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Speaker 3: was fifties this morning. I've been buying the Kodiak oatmeal

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Speaker 3: that has like a little bit of extra protein and

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Speaker 3: they have a chocolate chip flavor that's been extremely popular

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Speaker 3: in this household. Also, if you add peanut butter to that,

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Speaker 3: you have made Reese's oatmeal. It's really delicious. And we

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Speaker 3: also have like a default which is like if I'm

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Speaker 3: just we're in a super I'm like, you're eating cereal.

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Speaker 1: Pick your cereal. End of story. So those are our

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Speaker 1: main breakfast options. That is fine well, as mentioned, Jasper

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Speaker 1: has a peanut butter sandwich and coffee salm, and Ruth

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Speaker 1: will have one of a couple different things, you know,

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Speaker 1: one morning a week, I might make them an egg sandwich.

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Speaker 1: I might do pancakes one morning a week, because it

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Speaker 1: turns out pancakes are very very fast. If you make

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Speaker 1: them from a mix, you just put water in the mix,

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Speaker 1: or I guess some people do milk and then turn

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Speaker 1: on the pan, put them on, flip them. You know

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Speaker 1: it's done in a few minutes. But they might have

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Speaker 1: cereal or toast or toast or bagel. Breakfast is actually

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Speaker 1: free in our school district, so that's always an option

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Speaker 1: too if they get there on the bus where Jasper

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Speaker 1: gets there a little bit early too. You can just

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Speaker 1: pick up a breakfast, and even if you don't really

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Speaker 1: need all of it because you had some breakfast at home,

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Speaker 1: you can use some of the items as a snack

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Speaker 1: later because it tends to be more portable type things,

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Speaker 1: because that's how districts often do breakfast. Alex will have

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Speaker 1: cheerios plus cheese or yogurt, and Henry's been all over

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Speaker 1: the map. He'll sometimes have the pancakes too, but he

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Speaker 1: likes things like smoked salmon, yogurt, cheerios, and me, I

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Speaker 1: eat two fried eggs plus something, so some days that's

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Speaker 1: some like carb product. Some days it's fruit, some days

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Speaker 1: it's nothing because I just eat the two fried eggs.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, that's my breakfast of champions.

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Speaker 3: Here. I feel like Henry might might be your most

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Speaker 3: adventurous eater.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I see signs both directions,

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Speaker 1: but you know, so far he's willing to try different things.

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Speaker 1: So questions Sarah, uh the question this week? How do

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Speaker 1: you manage transitions effectively, such as when your nanny arrives,

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Speaker 1: Like so you're not spending fifteen to twenty minutes getting

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Speaker 1: everyone up to speed on what's going on in the day,

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Speaker 1: or going from the insanity of bedtime antics to sitting

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Speaker 1: down with a book or getting kids in the car

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Speaker 1: or a kid activity when you have things like swimsuits

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Speaker 1: or ice skates, unloading or loading all the kids in

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Speaker 1: the vehicle. This person has three kids under the age

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Speaker 1: of five, and she feels like transitions are eating up

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Speaker 1: a bunch of her life. What do you are there

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Speaker 1: ways to minimize it, Sarah? What do you think? Yes

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Speaker 1: and no?

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Speaker 3: You know, interestingly, some of the things you mentioned, I'm like, yep,

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Speaker 3: takes a long time, and then others I'm like, hmm,

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Speaker 3: I never spent a lot of.

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Speaker 1: Time doing that.

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Speaker 3: So the one that I never did do that might

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Speaker 3: be streamlinable would be the nanny communication stuff. And I

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Speaker 3: think there's probably a lot you could communicate by just

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Speaker 3: having stuff like on a whiteboard, like if you just

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Speaker 3: need to show like who ate, who still needs what like,

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Speaker 3: it might be quicker to just be doing that as

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Speaker 3: the morning's unfolding, so she can just see that when

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Speaker 3: she gets here, or send a quick text. The longer

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Speaker 3: you've had a nanny, the less of a transition time.

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Speaker 3: And I also feel like the less time you have

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Speaker 3: for that nanny transition, the less time you'll spend. So

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Speaker 3: our nanni used to I mean, we no longer have

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Speaker 3: childcare calm in the morning, we don't need that. I

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Speaker 3: drive the kids to school. But back when our Nanni

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Speaker 3: would come and I had to drive there was I

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Speaker 3: had to leave, like basically within two minutes of her

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Speaker 3: getting there or I was gonna be late for work.

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Speaker 1: I had to get on the.

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Speaker 3: Highway, And I think by necessity it was a very

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Speaker 3: short transition. So I think that one may be one

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Speaker 3: worth delving into first streamlining, But a lot of those

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Speaker 3: other things, the bedtime antics, the you mentioned putting on

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Speaker 3: ice skates. Yeah, that stuff is like I mean, skis

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Speaker 3: don't even get me started, Like you just have to

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Speaker 3: I think accept some of that, Like bedtime is never

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Speaker 3: gonna be quick because it takes kids like their nervous

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Speaker 3: systems have to wind down, and so having a routine

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Speaker 3: that's three minutes work probably won't even work. Like there

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Speaker 3: is value in that longer routine because as they go,

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Speaker 3: as you go through each of the steps, it's probably

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Speaker 3: gonna kind of slow we rub them down into the

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Speaker 3: feeling like bedtime, kind of like adults aren't going to

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Speaker 3: be able to just snap straight in into bedtime for

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Speaker 3: things like ice skating. I think just thinking of it

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Speaker 3: as like listen, when you have three kids under five,

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Speaker 3: part of life is just like getting through each day,

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Speaker 3: and an activity like ice skating isn't about like, wow,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna have so much fun ice skating because you're

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Speaker 3: not like they're too young, like it's gonna be terrible.

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Speaker 1: I mean, well in my experience, but putting.

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Speaker 3: The skates on is part of the activity, and if

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Speaker 3: that makes the activity two hours instead of an hour,

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Speaker 3: then great, You've like done more activities for that day,

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Speaker 3: like I think you're winning and not losing, and so

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Speaker 3: reframing it might be helpful because young kid life is

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Speaker 3: not efficient and that's okay. As I said, how long

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Speaker 3: do you really want to skate or swim with your toddlers?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you just have to build those transitions.

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Speaker 1: And I mean I was sort of this has always

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Speaker 1: been a thing because it's possible that one parent in

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Speaker 1: our family may decide that because the why is twenty

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Speaker 1: minutes away, and your swim class starts in twenty minutes,

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Speaker 1: that's the time you leave. It's like, no, that is

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Speaker 1: not the time you leave. It takes ten minutes to

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Speaker 1: get everyone into swimsuits. Ice skating was worse too, I

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Speaker 1: mean even with older children. I mean mine weren't under five,

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Speaker 1: but for whatever reason, they couldn't lace up their own skates,

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Speaker 1: you know, into ages where it felt like people should

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Speaker 1: be able to lace up their own skates. So just

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Speaker 1: sort of have to accept that there is the time

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Speaker 1: to get there. There is the time to park, there

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Speaker 1: is the time to walk into the thing. There is

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Speaker 1: the time to get the equipment on and then get

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Speaker 1: into the pool or the ice skating rink or whatever

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Speaker 1: it is, and all of those things are not zero,

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Speaker 1: and if you think there's zero, you're going to be

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Speaker 1: running late everywhere and frustrated and frustrated. So build it

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Speaker 1: in as the time to Yeah, but then I mean

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Speaker 1: sometimes I think we can also make our transitions longer

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Speaker 1: with our own things. I mean, so not kids are

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Speaker 1: what they are, right, and there's ways you can have

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Speaker 1: routines and can streamline and keep everything you know in

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Speaker 1: packed by the door, like always have the diaper bag packed.

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Speaker 1: Like if you take something out, you put it right

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Speaker 1: back in, or if something's out, you restock it. Make

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Speaker 1: sure the activity stuff is always in a bag and

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Speaker 1: the bag is always by the door. But with your

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Speaker 1: own stuff, like I think often we can have transitions

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Speaker 1: fill the time that is available. And a part of

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Speaker 1: the transition problem is not knowing exactly what you want

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Speaker 1: to do. And so you know, people get their kids

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Speaker 1: down and then it's like you're puttering around the house

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Speaker 1: for another thirty minutes until you're like, oh, yeah, this

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Speaker 1: is what I want to do for the night. So

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Speaker 1: don't do that. Think about it when you're thinking about

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Speaker 1: your day, Like if I have leisure time tonight, I

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Speaker 1: would like to do X, and maybe it's that your

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Speaker 1: favorite show comes on at ten, Great, you're going to

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Speaker 1: watch that. Or maybe it's that you and your husband

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Speaker 1: are going to have a late dinner together. Or maybe

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Speaker 1: it's that you have a book that you are reading

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Speaker 1: and you want to read thirty pages in it tonight. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's or you're doing a puzzle or you're going to

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Speaker 1: call a frint. But if you know what your leisure

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Speaker 1: time is, then and as soon as the kids are down,

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Speaker 1: you can dive into it right instead of losing that

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Speaker 1: time puttering around the house and sort of trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out what you're going to do. And so the

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Speaker 1: transition disappears. It wasn't needing to be a huge transition

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Speaker 1: Anyway's just because the mental transition took a while because

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Speaker 1: you weren't sure exactly what you intended to do. So

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Speaker 1: I'll just throw that out there as an idea.

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Speaker 3: Also, we should link to our entire episode we did

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Speaker 3: on transitions because we did transition.

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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, all right. Love of the Week, Sarah, what's

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Speaker 1: your favorite thing this week?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm going to do morning themed loves

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Speaker 3: of the week. The sunrise on my runs, which especially

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Speaker 3: is during the like right now, because once the time changes,

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Speaker 3: it's going to be dark again, and I'm going to

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Speaker 3: be sad. But right now it's awesome. And my auto

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Speaker 3: timed coffee, oh the best.

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Speaker 1: It's the best. I love our coffee maker. We've got

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Speaker 1: this like one that's built into the wall and it's

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Speaker 1: like a fancy one, so you can just put your

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Speaker 1: cup under it and press the number of ounces you

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Speaker 1: want as long as you're refilling the beans. That's it's

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Speaker 1: like it makes your coffee for you. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's like you order a coffee and it's there and

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Speaker 1: it tastes really good. I don't know. I liked it

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Speaker 1: frush from beans, like it grinds the beans and then

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Speaker 1: does it. But I'll go here with winter sunsets, so

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Speaker 1: sort of the opposite of sunrise. We have some cool

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Speaker 1: sunrises around here, but you can't see them so well

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Speaker 1: from our house because we have like a lot of

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Speaker 1: big trees and houses toward the east, but the west

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Speaker 1: is pretty open, and so especially in the winter, there's

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Speaker 1: this hill and the trees are bare, and so you

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Speaker 1: can see the sun setting and I mean, too bad

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Speaker 1: it's happening at four thirty pm.

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Speaker 3: But you can see that it's happening at four thirty pm.

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Speaker 3: You're there, right, I'm looking.

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Speaker 1: Out my office window as opposed to like running around

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Speaker 1: getting people to bet or something. I guess that's true. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so it's a I can see it in the winter,

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Speaker 1: and so I really try to pause and appreciate given

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Speaker 1: that it will then be dark for like the next

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Speaker 1: sixteen hours. Love. All right, Well, this has been best

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Speaker 1: of both worlds. We've been talking morning routines, troubleshoe, various

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Speaker 1: issues that can go wrong, and is attempting to make

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Speaker 1: a morning routine. We will be back next week with

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Speaker 1: more on making work and life fit together. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 3: You can find me Sarah at the shoebox dot com

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Speaker 3: or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, and you can.

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Speaker 2: Find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This has

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Speaker 2: been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join us

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