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Speaker 2: It's me, Joey p Joe, Piece of Pia with me

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Speaker 2: of course, Andrew ericson Mister Big Pod Energy, and Debro

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Speaker 2: Derek Brown the King of Bros. We're talking about some

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Speaker 2: teams so we think are actually pointing in the right

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Speaker 2: direction for a change. Because we had a great discussion

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Speaker 2: on our Power rank show. So if you like the long,

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Speaker 2: deep dive kind of shows, well you can go listen

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Speaker 2: to them because we've got two of them.

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Speaker 1: They're over an hour long both.

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Speaker 2: So you can sit down and you know, light the

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Speaker 2: fire pit outside, whatever you want to do, grab a

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Speaker 2: each other about the Power rankings. Because you know, I'm

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Speaker 2: very brave. I put myself out there and then let

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Speaker 2: other people take it apart, you know, and then these

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Speaker 2: But we decided after that it would be fun to

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Speaker 2: kind of bring some of that conversation over into a

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Speaker 2: shorter form here, So this is a shorter video we're

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Speaker 2: gonna do today on the Tailgate where we just talk NFL.

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Speaker 2: It's not really fantasy it's not really betting, it's just football.

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Speaker 2: We're just talking football and having a good time here.

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Speaker 2: And I would say that there's a couple little pieces

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Speaker 2: here and there from the power shows that I think

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Speaker 2: it was worth expanding on. And some of these teams

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Speaker 2: that we think are finally going in the right direction.

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Speaker 2: So I want to kick things off here with one

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Speaker 2: of those teams being the Tennessee Titans. We've talked about

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Speaker 2: the handsomeness of the coaching staff. We know they're all bald,

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Speaker 2: which we support. Derek Brown and I have very supportive.

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Speaker 2: We turned down offers to be on that coaching staff,

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Speaker 2: which I now regret because now I'm here with you

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Speaker 2: two defending Daniel Jones on.

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Speaker 1: Aname salary just isn't enough, though, Joe, it's not.

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Speaker 2: But the thing is, we saw progress at a cam

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Speaker 1: We like the Carnel Taate draft.

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Speaker 2: We like the Robert Sala High, We like Brian Dable,

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Speaker 2: We like the fact that he brought Wondell Robinson with it.

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Speaker 1: We think that the defense.

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Speaker 2: Showed some improvement in year over year, and we think

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Speaker 1: There's a lot to like here. Andrew Rickson Tennessee Titans.

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Speaker 2: I don't think is a I don't see them as

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Speaker 2: being a playoff team, but I definitely see them being

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Speaker 2: a team that we're gonna wake up, you know, on

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Speaker 2: going to be more prepared and they're gonna be ready

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Speaker 2: to bring it to their opponents on a more regular basis.

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Speaker 2: What do you think about the changes they've made in

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Speaker 2: who now might be on the upswing.

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Speaker 3: They check off every single box of a team that

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Speaker 3: is going to go from worse to first in their

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Speaker 3: playting because I think they're going to win the AFC

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Speaker 3: so everything. Do you look at their schedule last year?

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Speaker 3: So we're gonna talk about this enough. Cam Ward played

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Speaker 3: an absolute Bruto schedule. We talked about on the Rookie

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Speaker 3: Impact Show about well, who the Raider is going to

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Speaker 3: play week one. I think the NFL will do them

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Speaker 4: Well, that's where cam.

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Speaker 3: Ward played his first NFL game last year at Tunver,

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Speaker 4: They covered the spread.

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Speaker 3: So cam Ward played last year the Texans twice best

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Speaker 3: I just think that this is so setting up perfectly

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Speaker 2: Last year obviously only three wins for them looking at

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Speaker 1: Deebro, what would you said it at just out.

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Speaker 2: Of curiosity in your brain? Because I know you probably

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Speaker 1: And I would have six and a half. That's exactly

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Speaker 2: So do you think the Titans did enough this offseason

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Speaker 1: I think they get to the over.

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Speaker 5: But for them to pay off on Ericson's proclamation, they're

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Speaker 5: So all of those games, if not we're saying those

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Speaker 2: All right, next team owner list we're going to talk

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Speaker 2: about is the New York Football Giants. Now, there's a

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Speaker 2: Deebro and I were on an island last year yelling

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Speaker 5: The rod with the same island sunburned together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, God, what a nightmare you and me living on

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Speaker 1: Because no, just no. But let's talk about last year

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Speaker 1: on the fourth quarter collapses of this team. Right.

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Speaker 2: You had Week seven against the Broncos, which I watched

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Speaker 1: It was hilarious and painful but yet entertaining. Week ten, Week.

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Speaker 1: Could win this division.

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Speaker 2: I could see them also finishing dead last in this division.

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Speaker 2: It's just whether or not Harback can harness all of

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Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about some of those games, and I

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Speaker 2: with all the offseason changes for the Giants, the interesting

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Speaker 2: And Hardball certainly is kind of that old school football

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Speaker 4: So I like the optics of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember.

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Speaker 4: Talking about it.

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Speaker 3: They were two and zer to start the year. They

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Speaker 3: I think that you could see the Vikings winning this division.

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Speaker 5: I this this team kind of screams like they're a

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Speaker 1: The upside for this team is winning the division and

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Speaker 5: Jonathan Allen, Dexter, Lawrence Boya, Mafe, Casius Howell, Okay, pretty

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Speaker 5: much entirely new defensive line, as well as Brian Cook,

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Speaker 5: Kyle Duggar, and Takario Davis on the back end. And

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Speaker 5: also Joe I talked about it, we will not be

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Speaker 5: standing for any Dj Turner slander. I'm gonna give you

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Speaker 5: the list, the laundry list of DJ Turner last year

444
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Speaker 5: as a shutdown corner. He had twelve wide receivers he

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Speaker 5: faced at least fifty percent of their routes. Only one

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Speaker 5: of them, Joey. One of them surpassed sixty receiving yards

447
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Speaker 5: in his coverage and only one touchdown in his coverage. So,

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Speaker 5: if the defensive line could bring the pressure, if Joe

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Speaker 5: Burrow can stay healthy, and the offense does what we

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Speaker 5: think it can do, what we've seen it do, be

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Speaker 5: a top five to ten offense, and the defense can

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Speaker 5: at least be middle of the road, Cincinnati is super.

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Speaker 2: Bowl beound, all right, Andrew Erickson, give me your Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl take here for the Bengals.

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Speaker 4: Third easiest schedule in the NFL this year. Cincinnati Bengals cow.

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Speaker 3: Al Golden showed promise with this defense in the second

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Speaker 3: half of last year. And although the linebacker room is

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Speaker 3: still really scared to look at, those rookies got cooked

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Speaker 3: last year. They also got a lot of experience, so

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Speaker 3: he threw the rookie linebackers into the fire. They got

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Speaker 3: cooked last year. I think that experience will help them

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Speaker 3: in year two. So although they didn't address the linebacker

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Speaker 3: room that much in free agency in the draft, all

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Speaker 3: the other additions they made, like deebro laid out, I

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Speaker 3: think this defense can be average. I think the offense

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Speaker 3: can be the best in the NFL with all the

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Speaker 3: weapons that Joe Burrow has. And another thing to mention too,

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Speaker 3: they started the year two and zero because Zach Taylor

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Speaker 3: came out and said last offseason, we're not doing this

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Speaker 3: craft start out every year. And it looked like that

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Speaker 3: was working because they started out really, really well. But

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Speaker 3: then obviously Borrow got hurt. So I think that this

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Speaker 3: team is ready to go.

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Speaker 1: So all right, one more team to talk about.

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Speaker 2: Who we're looking at bouncing back after a disastrous year

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Speaker 2: last year now.

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Speaker 1: I think there's only one of two ways here.

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Speaker 2: Either we don't realize that we were in the end

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Speaker 2: of days for the Baltimore Ravens as we know them,

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Speaker 2: or last year was just a circumstance where everything that

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Speaker 2: could have gone wrong went wrong and all the injuries

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Speaker 2: that Lamar Jackson had and then he came back and

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Speaker 2: was clearly not healthy and tried to play through them.

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Speaker 2: The Ravens last year were the favorites on a lot

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Speaker 2: of boards, including my own, and I feel like it's

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Speaker 2: hard to look at this team, the talent on this roster.

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Speaker 2: I understand it's a different coach now, but you know,

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Speaker 2: sometimes you need a different voice and sometimes that gives

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Speaker 2: everybody boosts and sometimes it kind of pulls everybody together too,

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Speaker 2: especially those veteran players, and said, hey, look, you kind

491
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Speaker 2: of you know, last year was a disaster. We got

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Speaker 2: to like self police ourselves a little bit here sometimes too. Ericson,

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Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, we're just a year removed

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Speaker 2: basically from Lamar Jackson being MVP having the best season

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Speaker 2: of his career. Throw them for a bunch of touchdowns,

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Speaker 2: running a muck. I'm not ready to be out on

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Speaker 2: the Ravens. Yet I do think they bounce back and

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Speaker 2: I still think they're the class this division, but clearly

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Speaker 2: you think the Bengals might be regardless. Do you think

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Speaker 2: the Ravens are a team that is ready for a.

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Speaker 1: Bounce back this year?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I knew because their defense was completely gutted by

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Speaker 3: injuries and bringing in Jesse Minter, who got the most

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Speaker 3: out of I think, not the greatest personnel in Los Angeles,

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Speaker 3: that Chargers defense was really really good. So I think

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Speaker 3: that the Ravens defense getting guys back healthy is going

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Speaker 3: to be a big boost for them because and then

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Speaker 3: with Lamar, look, if he's healthy and on the field,

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Speaker 3: they give me the best team in the NFL. And

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Speaker 3: I do like the offensive coordinator edition they made with

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Speaker 3: Declan Doyle coming from the Chicago Bears where he was

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Speaker 3: under Ben Johnson, and the thing with Todd Munkin with

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Speaker 3: the Ravens. One thing that they didn't play fast. They

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Speaker 3: were a very slow paced offense under Todd Munkin Declan

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Speaker 3: Doyle with Ben Johnson last year they're one of the

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Speaker 3: fastest al offl offenses in the league in twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 3: So I like the upside here. With a new play

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Speaker 3: caller coming in, I think the defense is going to

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Speaker 3: take significant strides, and I like the additions they made

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Speaker 3: in the draft Biga Ljuane zion Yon. They still need

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Speaker 3: a center that's kind of like their big deal in

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Speaker 3: terms of the gammonsive line, but I like the pieces

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Speaker 3: they added wide receiver tight in the NFL Draft, and

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Speaker 3: can't forget Trey Hendrickson.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 4: Been mixed on Max Crosby, but heyt Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Rusher named tray heads home a consolation price, it really is,

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Speaker 2: and look took him away from the Bengals too, which

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Speaker 2: is also you know, tough indivision loss there for the

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati All Right, So Ravens Deebro, talk to me about

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Speaker 2: all the bounce back features, because Eric jam makes some

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Speaker 2: really good points there and including the coordinators, but also

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Speaker 2: the talent that's on this roster is undeniable still, and

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Speaker 2: I just don't think it's ready to go quietly into

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Speaker 2: that good night yet.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 5: I think they can definitely bounce back, and for all

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Speaker 5: the reasons that that y'all have laid out to this point,

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Speaker 5: I guess I'll give the flip side case scenario here though,

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Speaker 5: is that if they don't bounce back, the offensive line

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Speaker 5: issues could be a really big problem. It's Ronnie Stanley,

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Speaker 5: can he stay healthy? Ione is a really good piece,

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Speaker 5: but they don't have like a true starting center. John

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Speaker 5: Simpson's not been good, Rosengarten has been up and down.

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Speaker 5: So what are you going to get out of the

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Speaker 5: offensive line? When we talk about keeping Lamar Jackson and healthy,

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Speaker 5: allowing Derrick Henry to rumble, and if Derrick Henry anything,

548
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Speaker 5: if he were to miss time, we got Justice Hill,

549
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Speaker 5: Rashein Ali and Adam Randle behind him.

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Speaker 4: Wolf.

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Speaker 5: Now did they add more pass catching options, sure, but

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Speaker 5: Devontes Walker, what are you getting out of him? They

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Speaker 5: got a bunch of rookies added this Mark Andrews. What

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Speaker 5: does he have left in the tank?

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Speaker 1: So a lot of it. I feel a lot better.

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Speaker 5: About the defensive side of the of this roster than

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Speaker 5: I do about the offensive sign honestly. But and the

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Speaker 5: other thing about Lamar Jackson, Like, yes, the injuries played

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Speaker 5: a part of it. He was running less, but as

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Speaker 5: a passer he was got awful last year down the Straws.

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Speaker 2: But the year before he was very good. I just

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Speaker 2: don't think he was. But he was watched the last

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Speaker 2: year down the back.

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Speaker 1: But he couldn't. He just looked completely uncomfortable, de bro like.

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Speaker 2: I think he was out there on one leg most

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Speaker 2: of the time trying to do the yeoman's work of saying, Hey,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to try to be a warrior and play

568
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Speaker 2: through all this, but I'm really should be playing at all, so.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to take too much out.

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Speaker 2: I just did a whole profile for him in the

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Speaker 2: Black Book, and I went through all the game logs

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Speaker 2: and went through all the tams, and I still feel

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Speaker 2: the same way, which is like, he just shouldn't have

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Speaker 2: been playing last year, and he tried and the performance

575
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 2: was bad, but I'm not gonna It's not enough to

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Speaker 2: make me forget the elite everything and the development that

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Speaker 2: we saw on twenty twenty four from him.

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Speaker 5: No, And I don't want to say I'll doom and gloom,

579
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Speaker 5: but I will say with the archetype of quarterback, Lamar

580
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Speaker 5: is the cliff when it comes, it comes quickly, you're

581
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Speaker 5: not so not. The The part about that is could

582
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Speaker 5: we start Could that be the beginning of the decline

583
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Speaker 5: for Lamar Jackson as not being like MVP level but

584
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Speaker 5: just pretty good even when he's healthy. And the other

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Speaker 5: thing we haven't talked about here is Declan Doyle is

586
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Speaker 5: a sexy higher on paper, he still hasn't been a

587
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Speaker 5: full time play caller as far as like Ben Johnson

588
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Speaker 5: was the run running all the things for the Bears.

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Speaker 5: So is Declan Doyle really as good as we all

590
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Speaker 5: hope or it is a lot of flash and not

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Speaker 5: a lot of substance.

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Speaker 1: We don't know what to see.

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Speaker 4: Rather than that, Aggie, No, that's fair.

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Speaker 2: Fair, We're gonna leave on that note because we'ther have

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Speaker 2: YouTube than Matt and Aggy at this point here, But

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Speaker 2: who is the big turnaround team in twenty twenty six

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Speaker 2: in your eyes?

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