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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff.

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Speaker 1: I ever told you protected I heart radio. Happy Happy

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Speaker 1: happy hour Annie to you as well. I believe as

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Speaker 1: Happy Earth Day. However, we're recording on for twenty, so

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Speaker 1: happy for twining everyone as well. A lot of things

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Speaker 1: which by the way, I had to look up that

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Speaker 1: does this mean? So essentially it was like, you're sexy

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Speaker 1: Urban dictionary dot com, sexy because you got vaccinated. I

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Speaker 1: like it to be fair. Um, and today we are

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Speaker 1: sipping on some lovely, lovely beer from Dovetail Brewery. So

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Speaker 1: You could have had a very embarrassing You're opening from

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Speaker 1: the face, your facial expression as well as just the

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Speaker 1: But You're like, I smell like beer, and I was like, well,

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Speaker 1: it could be worse. It's true. I'm glad I at

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Speaker 1: least gave you a delight you did. As a reminder,

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Speaker 1: we are not sponsored f y I. Devetail Brewery came

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Speaker 1: through our friend Jason at Orpheus, who connected us with

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Speaker 1: their brewer, Jenny or JP according to her bio, at

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Speaker 1: Devetail Brewery in Chicago, Illinois, and apparently I think they

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Speaker 1: have expanded up to Wisconsin. So if you need some

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Speaker 1: of their delicious bears um, their site is pretty fun

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Speaker 1: thank you very much. And by the way, I am

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Speaker 1: drinking the Coulche Year from Devetail Brewery mm hmm, and

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Speaker 1: you Anye, Yes, I am drinking the Vin style Logger.

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Speaker 1: Love a good logger as always, drink responsibly if you

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Speaker 1: choose to do so, you don't have to. I just

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Speaker 1: want you to have a happy time with us. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: um and just what we wanted to talk a little

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