Speaker 1: Look Mayer, Oh, I see you my own line Bowen,
Speaker 1: look over there. How is that culture? Yes? Goodness wow
Speaker 1: lost cult ding Dong lost culturistas calling. Yes, I know
Speaker 1: that is one voice. Do not adjust the settings on
Speaker 1: your devices. It is just me, Matt. I'm gonna explain why.
Speaker 1: So as you guys may know, if you have Instagram
Speaker 1: and are into that sort of thing, Bowen Yang is
Speaker 1: going to be taking a little bit of a break,
Speaker 1: and it is for good reason. Bowen has been sort
Speaker 1: of heroically spreading himself thin, being just the busiest person ever.
Speaker 1: He's literally flying to London to shoot Wicked back here
Speaker 1: do episodes of the podcast. You know SNL was in
Speaker 1: season all year. He was flying New York London back forth.
Speaker 1: And he's expressed on the podcast over the past couple
Speaker 1: of months feeling quite frankly exhausted. And so my thing
Speaker 1: is I am first and foremost his best friend, and
Speaker 1: I just want the best for him and for him
Speaker 1: to feel like he has energy and can feel good
Speaker 1: about coming to the podcast and joining this because this
Speaker 1: should be fun. And lately I think he's just been
Speaker 1: feeling a little spread thin. So this is something that
Speaker 1: we have no qualms about saying, just take a fucking break.
Speaker 1: So I said to him, like, take as much time
Speaker 1: as you need, focus on getting to the end of Wicked.
Speaker 1: They have about a month more of shooting, probably about
Speaker 1: five more weeks of working, and he's gonna focus on
Speaker 1: that and do that. And he has all of our
Speaker 1: support and obviously all of my support because I love
Speaker 1: my sister, and thanks everyone for reaching out, and you know,
Speaker 1: seeing if he's okay, everything is gonna be totally fine.
Speaker 1: He just needs some time and some space. We've also
Speaker 1: been doing a lot, like we hosted the last Culture
Speaker 1: Racas Cultural Awards, which was a big endeavor. We did
Speaker 1: watch What Happens Live, We launched our merch on top
Speaker 1: of him again and flying back and forth to shoot
Speaker 1: Wicked and do all the things you do in life
Speaker 1: on top of all this other stuff. So it's just
Speaker 1: been going at a ten, eleven, twelve, and then it
Speaker 1: all culminated in the Kelly episode, which we put so
Speaker 1: much emotional energy into as you saw, and was truly
Speaker 1: just a peak of the pod. And so now we're
Speaker 1: just gonna take a second to just get our shit
Speaker 1: together and come back better than ever together for you, guys,
Speaker 1: the readers, the kitties, the publicist, the finalists, because we
Speaker 1: love you and you deserve us at our best. And
Speaker 1: Bowen knows that I am here though, And the good
Speaker 1: news is I've actually turned it out with the guests
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna be giving you starting with today, so
Speaker 1: over the next month or so, like I said, it's
Speaker 1: just gonna be me and the guests, but I do
Speaker 1: hope you'll still join me. The sounds of thousands of
Speaker 1: people turning off their podcasts, it's just like, not this Fagan,
Speaker 1: not just this Fagon. I'm done. So basically, I just
Speaker 1: sort of put myself in the pov of someone who
Speaker 1: would be listening to just me, and I said, well,
Speaker 1: I got to give them someone who's fifty thousand times
Speaker 1: the star, just super nova energy. And that's why I
Speaker 1: sort of landed on my guest today. So here's the
Speaker 1: fucking deal. Here's the t If you're watching Glamorous on Netflix,
Speaker 1: you know what's good for you. You know that this
Speaker 1: show is giving you comedy, is giving you a little
Speaker 1: bit of that soapy campiness. It's giving you a little
Speaker 1: bit of the throwback to the ugly Betty vibes. It's
Speaker 1: giving you Devil War's product energy. It's giving you Kim
Speaker 1: Katrall in a return to television, we'll talk about that.
Speaker 1: It's giving you get this very queer cast, queer power.
Speaker 1: It's giving everything, but mostly it's giving you a star
Speaker 1: turn by Miss Benny, who is not just an actress
Speaker 1: but a recording artist. Will get into it and all
Speaker 1: around powerhouse. I was lucky enough to guest star on
Speaker 1: the eighth episode they called one eight in the Biz.
Speaker 1: I iconically portray the role of Pete town Tony. And
Speaker 1: if you've watched the show, you know that I have
Speaker 1: two lines that get repeated many times. The words are
Speaker 1: not this. I like to think I turned it. We'll
Speaker 1: get into it. I can't wait to hear what my
Speaker 1: what my guest thinks of my performance as edited. It
Speaker 1: felt good on set, but you never know how it's
Speaker 1: gonna come out in the edit, you know, But I
Speaker 1: just could not be more excited. This is a big
Speaker 1: day for Lost College. It's actually a long away to
Speaker 1: day because even when I was on set, I was like,
Speaker 1: I can't wait to get this bitch on most coach
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna get into it with the bitch because,
Speaker 1: let me tell you some thing, she turns opinions. We
Speaker 1: played the most intense game of Star Actress during a
Speaker 1: stopdown which ever heard we have thought about that. Everyone.
Speaker 1: Please welcome into your ears the star of Glamorous and
Speaker 1: so much more, Miss Benny. Did you hear that little
Speaker 1: crack in my voice, Miss Benny? Moment?
Speaker 2: That's exciting. I'm also going through puberty bite in the
Speaker 2: opposite direction. Absolutely starts to sound and my breasket a
Speaker 2: little larger while we talked.
Speaker 1: Just know it's Tine. Just understand the waves.
Speaker 2: I have to say, that was really hilarious to watch,
Speaker 2: and I kind of started to fantasize as you were
Speaker 2: talking about being the only guest in this episode that
Speaker 2: you just never introduced me and you just did the
Speaker 2: podcast as normal.
Speaker 1: I know. I've just like realized, like all the way through,
Speaker 1: like maybe you actually kind of like this like section
Speaker 1: the City Carrie Bradshaw Podcast vibe.
Speaker 2: I can leave if you would like to do this,
Speaker 2: I say, yeah, you got all these great guests, but
Speaker 2: the fans know what they want.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited you're here.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited to be here. I have like butterflies
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I was like, see, if my sister is going
Speaker 1: to be away, I need someone that's going to give
Speaker 1: co host energy. And I mean we've known each other
Speaker 1: for do you remember where we met? This is iconic.
Speaker 2: I actually wanted to ask you because in my mind
Speaker 2: I've known you my whole life.
Speaker 1: But I know that they're probably Yeah, it was the
Speaker 1: Betty who concerted the Fonda.
Speaker 2: I got my pass out.
Speaker 1: It was your year of the Fonda, My year of
Speaker 1: the Fonda.
Speaker 2: I went to concerts like every three days at the Fonda.
Speaker 1: Tell me about some fond of moments.
Speaker 2: I saw Iggy isalea there by accident. Oh everyone hold on.
Speaker 1: Again, thousands more turn off their podcast, right.
Speaker 2: Sorry, guys, I really bones coming back, I swear. But
Speaker 2: I was like passing the Fond to do something else.
Speaker 2: And there was like they had on the marquee that
Speaker 2: was Iggy as Alien. I was like, what are the
Speaker 2: odds there's still tickets right now? And so I walked
Speaker 2: up while her show was going, got a ticket when
Speaker 2: there were odds you know.
Speaker 1: Now that I'm telling a story, and I walked in.
Speaker 1: I had the best see in my house. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was just for me.
Speaker 2: It was so crazy. No, and I was gagged to
Speaker 2: find out that it was. At the time, I guess
Speaker 2: she was touring with Miss BANGI and so literally it
Speaker 2: was like Iggy would like do a song, then like
Speaker 2: Vanji would like do a bit. It was really an
Speaker 2: interesting take on like a comedy pop rap.
Speaker 1: It was a hybrid show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a hybrid show and honestly not far
Speaker 2: off from your shows. Probably not Miss banjiebat Rogers. Definitely
Speaker 2: the same world. I honestly could see that as a
Speaker 2: headlining act. I would kill the three of us. I
Speaker 2: want you to dress in the same outfits that they.
Speaker 1: Wear fighting over Hugo's last Oh my god, I think
Speaker 1: I have some claim none, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean you probably all have the exact same pool of
Speaker 2: gay fans like it before we did the same crowd.
Speaker 1: Are you real I did headline in the phone. It's
Speaker 1: two nights in a row. Hell yeah, okay, and that's
Speaker 1: a good show too, Thank you.
Speaker 2: I want you to know that my best friend, who
Speaker 2: I don't think has ever met you, literally is constantly
Speaker 2: doing your Martha May song. Really, yes, we it's like
Speaker 2: such a recurring thing female up in Jolo. Yes, I
Speaker 2: supposed to be on the Jovio thriller.
Speaker 1: Thank you for remembering the lyrics. I feel like I
Speaker 1: could channel you as I sing it.
Speaker 2: It's so funny. I had never heard it. I was like,
Speaker 2: when I saw the show, I was like, talking you
Speaker 2: up so much, but FULLY was like, I haven't seen
Speaker 2: the show either, I don't know if it's good. So
Speaker 2: I was like, guys, wa is just hilarious crossing my fingers. No,
Speaker 2: you were so fucking funny, and specifically that song, I've
Speaker 2: always idolized Martha May.
Speaker 1: So I literally was like, Martha May is a moment
Speaker 1: in culture. Yeah, she got the jacuzzi running, she got
Speaker 1: the dracuzie running. My thing is like Martha May, that's
Speaker 1: the kind of person I want explored more.
Speaker 2: And You've always said that.
Speaker 1: And I've always haaid that there's two characters in that
Speaker 1: show that I'm like, what's their real story? Martha May
Speaker 1: and missus Claus. They go untold the women. Women's stories
Speaker 1: matters for this Moon Ramen's stories matter, they just do.
Speaker 1: Can we celebrate her? Yeah? So fond of moments. You
Speaker 1: had a fond of moment seeing Iggy Azelia. You had
Speaker 1: fond a moment seeing me years later, we met at
Speaker 1: the Betty Who concert. Yes, Betty that was a great
Speaker 1: show too. Here was that? That was twenty nineteen. Okay,
Speaker 1: Wow that moment when you realize we actually have known
Speaker 1: each other for years.
Speaker 2: So it's crazy because in my brain, twenty nineteen is
Speaker 2: I think, twenty nineteen is my new two thousand and
Speaker 2: seven where like, oh my god, two years ago whatever,
Speaker 2: but like it was now four years.
Speaker 1: Ago, you know what is it? Because two thousand and
Speaker 1: seven was like a what you did that? Your mean
Speaker 1: for you? Were you met? Okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like high school musical or like was his
Speaker 2: Waverley place?
Speaker 1: Yeah? What about you? I mean, I guess two thousand
Speaker 1: and seven for me, that was two thousand and eight.
Speaker 1: Are graduated high school? So actually, you know what what
Speaker 1: really like dictates two thousand and seven, two thousand and
Speaker 1: eight for me, which, by the way, was a rough
Speaker 1: time for the queers because this was like I remember
Speaker 1: going into class. This is before Glee. Literally, yeah, Glee
Speaker 1: changed it all.
Speaker 2: Glee.
Speaker 1: They say, if there had been no Glee, Obama would
Speaker 1: have never said the gay marriage should.
Speaker 2: Be I actually do believe that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard saying roses turn Obama would not have.
Speaker 2: Blanked any I will say people have been asking me
Speaker 2: all the time about like what gay representation made me.
Speaker 2: I like referenced Glee, And then I realized how kind
Speaker 2: of funny that is, because if you look at Glee
Speaker 2: as like now, it's so funny to think that was. Like,
Speaker 2: so I remember crying watching the like first gig kiss
Speaker 2: on Glee, and absolutely I watched it over and over
Speaker 2: and over.
Speaker 1: First of all, the first season of Glee. Well, let's
Speaker 1: say this, the first half of the first season of Glee.
Speaker 2: You're like the first moment of the first season of Glee,
Speaker 2: the first.
Speaker 1: Seconds of Glee, Like, well, I literally say all the time,
Speaker 1: you know, Ryan Murphy, bitch could turn a pilot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like some of the best pilots. And I remember watching
Speaker 1: Glee and genuinely feeling like really excited about what it
Speaker 1: was and then like it got crazy. But I remember
Speaker 1: being like the kind of gay that at the time.
Speaker 1: I think it was like two thousand and eight, two
Speaker 1: thousand and nine. I think I was still closeted when
Speaker 1: it started, and I was like, and I remained closeted
Speaker 1: until just minutes we have to talk about it, and
Speaker 1: I'm not ready okay, But I remember like when Kurt
Speaker 1: was being so gay, there was like a part of
Speaker 1: me that was like a little nervous about it. Like
Speaker 1: I remember when he's saying roses turn, I was like,
Speaker 1: we can't know, we can't do this. No, it's too much.
Speaker 1: I don't like her. Yeah, I got her to do this.
Speaker 1: And it was not this thing of like, oh fuck
Speaker 1: this show, I don't like it. I think it was
Speaker 1: genuinely like I'm scared that he is out there doing
Speaker 1: this thing that I've only done in my bedroom, because
Speaker 1: now everyone's gonna know I deeply want to do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we all wanted to sing roses turn.
Speaker 2: I talked about this the other day in some interview,
Speaker 2: but I was like talking specifically about Kurt. It was
Speaker 2: like it was just so funny because watching that, I
Speaker 2: remember being like, oh my god, that's me. I love that.
Speaker 2: But then like looking around me and taking the temperature
Speaker 2: of the room, everyone was so critical and uncomfortable flamboyant
Speaker 2: he was, and I remember at the time that was
Speaker 2: like one of my early memories of clocking that, like, oh,
Speaker 2: y'all don't also want to be that, so I should
Speaker 2: probably like take that in yeah, and then I guess
Speaker 2: here I am. Now maybe someone's also seeing me do
Speaker 2: what I do and they're like scared.
Speaker 1: No. But the thing is, like, I think it has
Speaker 1: changed so much because like that's what made Glee stand
Speaker 1: out so much, because it's funny, you say, we think
Speaker 1: of Glee as being this groundbreaking thing and then you
Speaker 1: go back and it's like essentially what two white gay,
Speaker 1: singing teenage dreamer at each other and we're like her, now,
Speaker 1: that's like a Winter Green commercial or whatever the fuck.
Speaker 1: But back then it was like I'm nervous. I'm nervous.
Speaker 1: I've never I'm nervous to the point where now here
Speaker 1: we are with Glamorous and it feels like and I
Speaker 1: mean this in the most complimentary way, but it's like
Speaker 1: we're joining this workplace in process and we really don't
Speaker 1: question it. Yeah, you know what I mean. Like the
Speaker 1: world is very saturated but also grounded in that queerness yea,
Speaker 1: and even in the very familiar elements, like you know,
Speaker 1: you have Kim who we all know from like what
Speaker 1: was an iconic show of what was one of the
Speaker 1: most white woman, straight woman shows of all time, and
Speaker 1: like she comes from that and now here she is,
Speaker 1: but it all feels very like harmonious. So I wonder like,
Speaker 1: did it feel like normal and harmonious doing it, because
Speaker 1: that would not have been the feeling like a while
Speaker 1: back doing that, like you would have been looking over
Speaker 1: your shoulder, like at the crew, which is probably a
Speaker 1: lot of straits, you know what I mean, Like because
Speaker 1: when I guess, did it felt like that? But did
Speaker 1: it feel like that throughout?
Speaker 2: Well? What's interesting because you know, we're like a workplace
Speaker 2: drama comedy, and I'm just so used to I'm sure
Speaker 2: you'll feel this too, But like when you've like guest
Speaker 2: starred on so many random shows as like the funny
Speaker 2: gay character, like you get really used to just being like, okay,
Speaker 2: I have to like carry so much right now, and
Speaker 2: like I'm in a room full of straight actors who
Speaker 2: are like it's really brave that you're doing what you're doing,
Speaker 2: Like it just does it. It feels like you're doing
Speaker 2: something so like specific. And then with this, like pretty
Speaker 2: much the whole cast and characters are queer, So there
Speaker 2: was this funny sense of like we've never had that
Speaker 2: many gay people at a work environment before, and there
Speaker 2: was like sort of a talk on set of like,
Speaker 2: how do you conduct yourself when you feel like you're
Speaker 2: at the gay club but you're not, You're actually at work.
Speaker 1: I know, isn't that funny?
Speaker 2: I actually remember our episode one o eight. As they
Speaker 2: say in the biz, it was so funny because up
Speaker 2: to that point we had done such a good job
Speaker 2: of like clipping our language and like keeping it like
Speaker 2: understandable for the street people in the Mountain. No, as
Speaker 2: soon as we imported you a jel, it was like
Speaker 2: there was no hope. I actually think the crew after
Speaker 2: that had such like I remember this sound guy came
Speaker 2: up to us and asked me specifically what the word
Speaker 2: cunt meant in this context, and I was like I
Speaker 2: had to explain to him that. I was like no, no, no,
Speaker 2: Like Matt calling me that is like actually the nicest
Speaker 2: thing that could do.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, I look at out on the ground. Absolutely
Speaker 1: when I wave my finger it you wouldn't say the
Speaker 1: word cunt. Yeah, Like, it's not me saying the meanest thing.
Speaker 2: Seen me at the top of our lungs, like horrible
Speaker 2: homophobic slurs that could never be repeated on air. It's
Speaker 2: like entirely it's like I love you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like you'll go home with a badge of honor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was such a fun time. That was the best.
Speaker 1: And then even thinking like about the sound guy, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, just like the sound guy, we're miked,
Speaker 1: So we're miked and they hear everything and they do
Speaker 1: warn you about that when which is something you don't
Speaker 1: think about when you're like going on set to act
Speaker 1: like that you're miked and like there's a sound person
Speaker 1: or a poor sound mixers that can hear it all.
Speaker 1: The person that was like privy to our conversation, our
Speaker 1: game of Star or Actress. We have to get into this.
Speaker 1: Oh got okay? Joel Kim and I we love this
Speaker 1: game Star Actress. And if you go way back on
Speaker 1: the podcast, this game was introduced on most Cultures this
Speaker 1: years ago. It was at some episode where Joel Kim
Speaker 1: was guesting on and we just played this game for
Speaker 1: about forty five minutes. So we love to play this game.
Speaker 1: We brought it to the set of Glamorous because we're
Speaker 1: a bunch of fucking queers, and what do queers have
Speaker 1: to do during a stop done more than argue about
Speaker 1: whether Jennifer Garner is a star or an actress got
Speaker 1: and so you could not wrap your mind around this.
Speaker 1: I still kind of can't if you ask me to
Speaker 1: explain it right now. I do it wrong partly, what
Speaker 1: is star actress? What is it a game?
Speaker 2: This is wrong and this is what I got absolutely
Speaker 2: fucking crucified for.
Speaker 1: And I'm having xaning on this podcast next week. And
Speaker 1: I remember you were having such a hard time and
Speaker 1: zaying at one point goes, well, when we think about it,
Speaker 1: this hard, it's not fun.
Speaker 2: Well I that because I remember the crew was trying
Speaker 2: to like rally us to get ready for the next setup,
Speaker 2: but we weren't.
Speaker 1: No, Amanda seipher it is a star, and.
Speaker 2: For me it was one of those things. So in
Speaker 2: my world, we use the word star to mean like
Speaker 2: that that's like the best thing you could call somebody.
Speaker 2: So if you're a star, that means like you can
Speaker 2: do all of it. You're you're a great actress, you're
Speaker 2: a great performer, like you are the person while like
Speaker 2: an actress in my mind, to my understanding was like
Speaker 2: that's all you'll ever do is you'll just be the
Speaker 2: girl who acts like you're not like a presence, You're
Speaker 2: just like on screen but and you can correct me.
Speaker 2: Now I've found the understanding later to be that actually
Speaker 2: it's the other way.
Speaker 1: So basically, there's not a pejorative in being either. I mean,
Speaker 1: I can't so if you are Jennifer Garner out there
Speaker 1: and I say Jennifer Garner is a star, not an actress,
Speaker 1: and she takes offense to that, that's on her right
Speaker 1: because guess what being a star is, Like you said,
Speaker 1: it's huge, it's everything. Being a star is endorsements, products,
Speaker 1: selling tickets. You know what I'm saying. Being a star
Speaker 1: is hitting the carpet. So passionate well because I have
Speaker 1: conviction about it, because I want to speak for people
Speaker 1: who might hear that they're a star and feel disappointed
Speaker 1: that they're not also a technician actress or a journeyman actor.
Speaker 1: A star is that an actress is someone who comes
Speaker 1: in and is about the work and is always going
Speaker 1: to give you the take and is going to give
Speaker 1: you the performance. But maybe you're not necessarily like the
Speaker 1: box office slam dunk for example, Like I'll sell someone
Speaker 1: out there. And remember it's hard to do this on
Speaker 1: this podcast now because the podcast has become more successful
Speaker 1: and I get a little nervous because then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, one day, and this is true, you hear
Speaker 1: that someone like major listens to the podcast, and you're like, well, fuck,
Speaker 1: I hope I didn't call them a flop?
Speaker 2: Do you think that any like female celebrities are listening
Speaker 2: to this this right now?
Speaker 1: I don't say me. I know for a fact they are,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna keep their names out of it. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: so let's do someone that I know is not listening. Okay,
Speaker 1: Juliana Margolise, Okay, star actress. I'm gonna be honest, I
Speaker 1: don't know who you're talking about.
Speaker 2: I really I really wanted to do that bit where
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, that's so funny that give me
Speaker 2: what she's from.
Speaker 1: She's okay, I'm gonna like was the star of r
Speaker 1: OH that I was not gonna know? I mean, you
Speaker 1: know any way, No, that was so stupid to me. Okay,
Speaker 1: how about this? This is a good one, Sidney Sweeney,
Speaker 1: Oh oh ship. My instinct is start. My instinct is
Speaker 1: start too, Like, I'm so relieated. I can't believe my
Speaker 1: fucking gay ass just said Juliana Margolie to you.
Speaker 2: You looked at me, and I thought that was gonna
Speaker 2: be the first question. I'd be like, oh, I have
Speaker 2: thoughts on this, Sony.
Speaker 1: So but get this with Sidney Sweeney, I agree, it's
Speaker 1: star because you think of her and you think of persona,
Speaker 1: you think of the Sydney Sweeniness.
Speaker 2: Ohso the name like she has it in like lights.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But this is where we got fucked up when we
Speaker 2: were filming, is that. I think the name that came
Speaker 2: up that threw us for a loop was Kate Blanchette
Speaker 2: because in my world, Kate Blanchett is like star of everything,
Speaker 2: where it's like she has power to be all of it.
Speaker 2: But I remember the people in the room are saying,
Speaker 2: like actress in the way that she's like making notes
Speaker 2: next to every single word on a page, right, And
Speaker 2: so I was like mind blown at trying to wrap
Speaker 2: my head around this game. And I remember specifically that
Speaker 2: was the one that made us start fighting, and that.
Speaker 1: We started fighting and were late to set, and it
Speaker 1: was a thing of like, Okay, now we've really made it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because now the clearer actors are truly running the set.
Speaker 1: We're beef they're too busy, they're beefing they're too busy
Speaker 1: down in the basement and they're like fucking lingerie. We
Speaker 1: literally were in full drag like hooker clothes.
Speaker 2: Like literally and by the way, I want to just
Speaker 2: specifically give you when we were doing fittings for Cell
Speaker 2: Black Tango, I remember they at least for me, they
Speaker 2: gave me a rack of like just like sex shop
Speaker 2: clothes and they were like, pick whatever you want. And
Speaker 2: so I was like, oh, this is so fun. We're
Speaker 2: all gonna get to do our drag race mini Challenge
Speaker 2: quick drag like and so I put together my little
Speaker 2: like Nsfia rab Bob and was like so ready, and
Speaker 2: then literally you showed up, Like how would you describe
Speaker 2: what you were in.
Speaker 1: The eighth pisode. Here's what I would describe my aesthetic, ays,
Speaker 1: and I want to say my drag aesthetic is often
Speaker 1: this okay late nineties white girl R and B singer.
Speaker 2: That is exactly what I wanted to say, But I
Speaker 2: wanted you to it like owed.
Speaker 1: Up to it like Pink when she first came out. Literally,
Speaker 1: some girls got they like, God, there you go.
Speaker 2: That was exactly what you gave. You also had that
Speaker 2: swish to your walk the whole way through.
Speaker 1: It was giving Houcci Mama. I didn't even know that it.
Speaker 2: Was in the options when they showed us all the
Speaker 2: wigs that was not there. I believe you brought that well.
Speaker 2: First of all, I have like history with that kind
Speaker 2: of wig. That's of like swoopy bang is something that
Speaker 2: I gravitate to, that like feathery like y.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny because like I don't know, like growing up,
Speaker 1: when you picture yourself in your giche, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, when you see in your mind's eye the
Speaker 1: woman you are right Like I always thought, Oh, I'll
Speaker 1: have really long blonde hair like Sharon Clueless, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like that's my essence, like you know,
Speaker 1: popular girl. Meanwhile, you then get the opportunity to literally
Speaker 1: pick and I'm like, I think I'm white girl late
Speaker 1: nineties R and B singer with this swoopy bang.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you're like presented with your like Pokemon starter Pokemon.
Speaker 2: You're like, I guess I never thought of this until
Speaker 2: this moment, because now that it's in front of me,
Speaker 2: nothing is clear.
Speaker 1: I didn't know I was charm Million, Yeah, until I
Speaker 1: had the option to pick tre Million's heels.
Speaker 2: The only people on that lineup that I knew were
Speaker 2: like had a vision from the beginning of their life.
Speaker 2: Was Zane wearing the like surgy red curly hair, and
Speaker 2: then Michael si Rosen wearing his like Madam Blueberry bob.
Speaker 2: But by the way, that's not scripted that he was
Speaker 2: supposed to be like a secretary. He in the fitting
Speaker 2: was like you have a little pair of glasses and
Speaker 2: his tiny little blouse.
Speaker 1: It's so funny that he would pick that, but he
Speaker 1: served it up. Shure, Well, first of all, the gag
Speaker 1: is watching Michael Sue Rosen dance.
Speaker 2: The scariest moment of filming for me the entire five
Speaker 2: months we filmed was the two seconds we did choreo together.
Speaker 2: And by that I mean we grabbed each other's arms
Speaker 2: and pooled each other back and he literally when I
Speaker 2: was doing that, he like came over and like pushed
Speaker 2: my shoulders and like twisted my body and was like
Speaker 2: it was like Suspiria.
Speaker 1: He was like breaking my bones to get into the
Speaker 1: desision and I couldn't do it. I was like, you've
Speaker 1: been on Broadway.
Speaker 2: I did like a church play when I was a kid,
Speaker 2: where I wore like a little robe and was like,
Speaker 2: do not be afraid.
Speaker 1: So Michael Sue Rosen, iconically Chino in the West Side
Speaker 1: Story revival on Broadway, was twisting you into the Spi
Speaker 1: Pretzel doing choreo when you were like, bitch, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is not the way she dances.
Speaker 2: Well, I was also so freaked out because in that episode,
Speaker 2: my character Marco was supposed to win this like lip
Speaker 2: sync battle. But then like everyone else in the night,
Speaker 2: all of y'all like have done musical theater, like this
Speaker 2: is what you do girl, I'm the only one who hadn't.
Speaker 2: So I literally was like, oh my god, I have
Speaker 2: to actually like somehow turn this out. And they got
Speaker 2: me together. I'm proud of it.
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, here's what I'll say. There was
Speaker 1: no question that you won on set being there, you
Speaker 1: won for real. You had a close competition for Michael
Speaker 1: Seuer Rosen, who was doing like leaps and twirls and
Speaker 1: way unchoreographed. He added those he's amazing. Yeah, I really do. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The problem is that I am so in love with
Speaker 2: him that, like when anyone else partakes in the love,
Speaker 2: I'm like, fuck god.
Speaker 1: Yeah, get away, like he's mine. He's one of those Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's you know what I always say about people who
Speaker 1: like you ever meet someone and you say like, oh,
Speaker 1: that person's great, like they're kind of cool, and then
Speaker 1: someone goes, oh, yeah, they tend to have that effect
Speaker 1: on people bitter. I'm always like, put those people in jail.
Speaker 1: I love that though, Like I love that.
Speaker 2: It's the same vibe to me as people who are like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I just meant this person they're so nice,
Speaker 2: and they're like, oh my god, I've literally known them forever. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, it's so cool. What do you
Speaker 2: know me share? They were like, literally, it's so.
Speaker 1: Long ever, it's such a long story, and like there's
Speaker 1: so much history in the way they're saying it.
Speaker 2: And I can't even like say, like too much. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And the next time you see them together, that person
Speaker 2: like introduces themselves to them.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was like, if you're someone who walks around
Speaker 1: in the world with the knowledge that you, quote unquote
Speaker 1: have that effect on people, okay, you have to know
Speaker 1: that and understand you might be having people fall in
Speaker 1: love with you left and right. Yeah. And then meanwhile
Speaker 1: the show comes out and what's happening in the gay
Speaker 1: group chat that gets our starting to say I love
Speaker 1: that Michael Sue Rosen, and you do have that thing
Speaker 1: of like, well, back off, I do.
Speaker 2: And it's also that I didn't. Yeah, the thing is
Speaker 2: that I am exactly that person with Michael particularly. And
Speaker 2: what's crazy is we didn't chemistry read for the show,
Speaker 2: like really we were supposed to chemistry read, but things
Speaker 2: were moving fast and they were so confident with Michael
Speaker 2: that they were like, you're gonna have great chemistry.
Speaker 1: And I was like, he's so cool and he's so good.
Speaker 2: And then I was filming one day, like at the
Speaker 2: very beginning of the show, and I had like a
Speaker 2: couple hours to like go home, which like never happens,
Speaker 2: and so I took that opportunity and he met me
Speaker 2: for coffee, and I remember the whole time I was
Speaker 2: talking to him, I was like, oh, no, I'm going
Speaker 2: to actually.
Speaker 1: Fall in love with you. I don't know. That's a thing.
Speaker 2: It was like a big fear of mine in it.
Speaker 2: It happened, and I am still in love with him.
Speaker 2: If he's out there right now, Michael just knowing, and he.
Speaker 1: Is out there, I know he's one of those actresses
Speaker 1: that's going to be listening. Okay, ready Michael Sudro's and
Speaker 1: star actress. I'm like, oh my god, he would want
Speaker 1: to be called an actress. He would, and we'll call
Speaker 1: you an actress.
Speaker 2: I kind of wanted to be by to call the
Speaker 2: star because I know he would call you as soon
Speaker 2: as he heard this and'd be like, what the fuck
Speaker 2: was that about? No, of course, I mean we have
Speaker 2: a scene. We have so many scenes in the show
Speaker 2: where where like supposed to be like really acting, and
Speaker 2: we did one where we were supposed to be like
Speaker 2: screaming at each other. And I remember after the first take,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh shit, you're actually like good. I
Speaker 2: was like, don't do that.
Speaker 1: How dare you don't be all being all good?
Speaker 2: I was like, not you earnestly acting right now? Like
Speaker 2: grow up.
Speaker 1: Younestly acting in the show. That's what we're paid to do.
Speaker 2: No, are you being hired to act trying to do it?
Speaker 1: I thought we were sort of doing this with a
Speaker 1: wink in and us. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I had this bit on set where after like ten
Speaker 2: takes in multiple cover I would look at him and
Speaker 2: be like, guys, we should start doing we should do good.
Speaker 2: We should do a good take you guys and I
Speaker 2: see a good take, and I look at the crew
Speaker 2: and I would just be like, I'm gonna do a
Speaker 2: good one. Is really I wasn't. I also had this
Speaker 2: really fun bit that kind of bit me in the
Speaker 2: ass later, which is before every take with Michael and
Speaker 2: with a lot of the actors, but mainly Michael, I
Speaker 2: would like, as they're being like sound speeding and hammer speeding,
Speaker 2: I would literally look at me and be like, I
Speaker 2: think you have something on you and actually not just
Speaker 2: take you after Right before I take, I'd be like, Michael,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm just like I have to get off my chest.
Speaker 2: I'm really upset that you said this. Well, I'll tell
Speaker 2: you after this, or I'll be like, hey, Jordan had
Speaker 2: a note for you. He didn't give it to you.
Speaker 1: He'll probably come up after maybe after your coverage.
Speaker 2: And then Karma got it's kiss for me because then
Speaker 2: one time I was filming with Kim and we had
Speaker 2: our like comfort shoes because if our feet weren't in it,
Speaker 2: we were like, why not wear crocs and shit, And
Speaker 2: so I remember I was wearing like these platform purple
Speaker 2: crocs with like butterfly little like whether those like sticker things.
Speaker 1: Are those little bit embellishers.
Speaker 2: Forget what they're called. They have a funny, quirky cut, like.
Speaker 1: They're going POGs or something. What are those that called?
Speaker 2: Are those?
Speaker 1: I just turned to my engineer dog and likes to
Speaker 1: gibbs there gibbing, Doug, would you have known what a
Speaker 1: gibbet was in a croc show? Absolutely not?
Speaker 2: Okakay, well then the listener's at home you can imagine.
Speaker 2: But anyway, so Kim, right before I take where we're
Speaker 2: supposed to have like this inspirational speech with each other,
Speaker 2: she just like looked down at my feet, saw the
Speaker 2: crocs and laughed and then it was like action and
Speaker 2: I was like, just laughed at my laughed at She
Speaker 2: like did like a full like take of my body,
Speaker 2: saw my feet and laughed, and I was like, I
Speaker 2: think I get to go to gay Heaven now.
Speaker 1: I think that's what this moment means. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: were you gagged when you found out that Glamorous was
Speaker 1: gonna premiere the same day as just like that? And
Speaker 1: do you think it was planned?
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm speaking from the place of no authority,
Speaker 2: like no one communicated with me. I've dodo this to
Speaker 2: be fact. I do believe it is true. I mean,
Speaker 2: come on, because why, I mean, I can't imagine anyone
Speaker 2: in the planning of that was like, we had no
Speaker 2: can you imagine when I will say, I know that
Speaker 2: we were The show was supposed to come out like
Speaker 2: the end of May, beginning of June, and then something happened,
Speaker 2: and I remember hearing that it was getting moved, and
Speaker 2: then it got announced the same week and it was
Speaker 2: gonna be the same day.
Speaker 1: So that to me feels like they heard I have
Speaker 1: to and we're like because also it's like sort of
Speaker 1: rich to have her out there doing press at the
Speaker 1: same time as all the Sex and the City people,
Speaker 1: and also the announcement that she's going to be back
Speaker 1: on the show.
Speaker 2: Which none of us knew about. You didn't know, no,
Speaker 2: I mean, it was truly the experience of watching all
Speaker 2: that unfold was completely authentic to me. Like I was
Speaker 2: so gagged and so stunned, and I was doing press
Speaker 2: and they were being like, we're so excited that the
Speaker 2: secret was finally out. I was like, I didn't know.
Speaker 1: You think.
Speaker 2: Kim was calling me being like, I've got an idea,
Speaker 2: I'm going back, Like I.
Speaker 1: Don't think I wasn't running it by you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she didn't get the call from HBO, call Pat
Speaker 2: Fields and then me like it wasn't that speaking.
Speaker 1: Of So this is the bit that I have about
Speaker 1: I'm just like that on the show. Okay'm ready. So
Speaker 1: the first season just like that, And let me just say,
Speaker 1: massive fan of Sex and the City as we all are.
Speaker 1: And then and just like that happens last season and
Speaker 1: there was like the chay of it all and the
Speaker 1: sort of you know, new Sex and the City two
Speaker 1: point zero as it were, to the point where it's
Speaker 1: not even really Sex and the City anymore, it fully is,
Speaker 1: And just like that, it's really more of an hour
Speaker 1: long drama with these characters and more. My bit was
Speaker 1: that the first season was written by the third graders.
Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is that it's as
Speaker 1: if this was the scenario a teacher came into class
Speaker 1: and said to a group of third graders, Okay, everyone, today,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be writing an episode of TV and here
Speaker 1: are the characters, and whatever you do by the end
Speaker 1: of the day is what's gonna go on. And here
Speaker 1: are the rules you have to do an episode of
Speaker 1: Sex and the City. Now I know you guys are
Speaker 1: probably a little little for that. Maybe not no, but
Speaker 1: here's what it is. And they got all the information
Speaker 1: and by the end of the day as a group
Speaker 1: wrote an episode of television and that is what we
Speaker 1: see on screen. And I loved that about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I would not hear any criticism about that first season.
Speaker 1: No, no.
Speaker 2: I literally was like, I respect your decision to have
Speaker 2: that opinion. But I was like, I will be tuning
Speaker 2: in every single.
Speaker 1: And let me say with energy, I put it on
Speaker 1: every week and I was like, thank God, my show
Speaker 1: is on. It's not Sex in the City. I've left
Speaker 1: it behind. We are in and just like that now
Speaker 1: where we are dealing with Miranda screaming from the depths
Speaker 1: of the bottom of her stomach as she orgasms. Because
Speaker 1: Jay is the best finger blaster in the world. They
Speaker 1: are the best at what they do. They could teach
Speaker 1: a college course and how to finger and pleasure a woman. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm here and I'm on board. I was acclimating
Speaker 1: to the new characters. I kind of liked the drama
Speaker 1: with BIG's death and Carrie's grieving. I thought sarahj Justsica
Speaker 1: turned it this season. Mama Honey, girl, there's nothing happening.
Speaker 2: My mind is just blown how much Carrie's not in it.
Speaker 2: That's like truly the number one thing that's blowing my mind,
Speaker 2: Like I really when I watch it at home, like
Speaker 2: the number one thing that we say is just like
Speaker 2: where is Carrie during all of this?
Speaker 1: Like she's so cut off from the rest of everyone,
Speaker 1: I guess, and this is the problem. I think, like
Speaker 1: just like with the background and TV writing that I have,
Speaker 1: and like, just like from someone who watches and tries
Speaker 1: to enjoy a lot and like observe a lot, I
Speaker 1: think what's happening is there's just too many fucking characters.
Speaker 2: There's so many characters. I love that everyone's getting to
Speaker 2: have their storylines. Like if I was on the show,
Speaker 2: I would be so thrilled to have like my own substory,
Speaker 2: but like watching it, I'm just like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: there's so there's like minutes that go by where we
Speaker 2: never see the original three girls, and it's like we
Speaker 2: want to see the girl.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know who's really suffering is Charlotte. Poor Charlotte,
Speaker 1: Like she doesn't have a storyline.
Speaker 2: Which I don't know how you feel about the original
Speaker 2: sex and the City. But I feel like when I
Speaker 2: first watched it and when people would talk about it,
Speaker 2: I feel like Charlotte never got enough props for like
Speaker 2: how much he carried the comedy in the show course,
Speaker 2: and then I rewatched it before I filmed Glamorous. I
Speaker 2: literally was like Charlotte's kind of like comedic powerhouse character
Speaker 2: of this show. Like she a lot of the time,
Speaker 2: like everyone has like earnest storylines, and then she's doing
Speaker 2: like physical bits and like face bits and like, so
Speaker 2: I love the character of Charlotte. So watching the show,
Speaker 2: I'm like, give me Charlotte.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I guess like for me, it's like when
Speaker 1: you're watching a sitcom like Sex and the City, It's
Speaker 1: like it actually breaks down pretty mathematically, like you have
Speaker 1: Carrie is gonna carry the a story, so she's gonna
Speaker 1: drive the narrative, and then really the second character that
Speaker 1: gets that's really like more of the second lead like
Speaker 1: in terms of like getting the dramatic aft is Miranda,
Speaker 1: So like she'll encompass a lot of those dramatic themes
Speaker 1: and that's why you see her continue to get a
Speaker 1: lot in like an hour long drama version of this show,
Speaker 1: because we're used to seeing that character in three dimensionality,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Whereas like Samantha and Charlotte
Speaker 1: were sort of two sides of this coin where it
Speaker 1: was like we're living in prude, yuppie world and then
Speaker 1: we're living in like horror like you know, superhero professional world,
Speaker 1: and like those are two different sides of Carrie's personality
Speaker 1: that tug of war. So without the Samantha, it's hard
Speaker 1: to really enjoy Charlotte. And when there's so many new
Speaker 1: characters coming out without a defined thing, it just feels
Speaker 1: like we're living in the sea of people. So we
Speaker 1: have Carrie doing what she's doing, Miranda doing what she's doing,
Speaker 1: and then the rest of them sort of occupying the
Speaker 1: bottom and it's like none of them are served by it.
Speaker 2: I really think the show like not even adjusting any
Speaker 2: of the storylines. I know people have so many thoughts
Speaker 2: on like how the character stories are actually going about,
Speaker 2: like just structurally speaking. The two things that I think
Speaker 2: would make the show have like the most magic possible
Speaker 2: that I'm like I was counting on for season two.
Speaker 2: I hope if season three comes around that they will
Speaker 2: do this. But like the first is that I think
Speaker 2: there needs to be because Sex and the City this
Speaker 2: so well was a thematic thing every episode, so like, yes,
Speaker 2: if the topic was being the one, then it's like
Speaker 2: everyone needs to have their own story pertaining to that.
Speaker 2: And I feel like the new season, like there's sometimes
Speaker 2: an episode where I'm like, I don't know what it's about,
Speaker 2: what it's like, what the end of the results of that.
Speaker 2: I enjoy it and I'm like having fun watching it,
Speaker 2: but I'm like, I don't know what the intention of
Speaker 2: this episode was and the other thing, and I know
Speaker 2: that they intentionally don't want to do this because of
Speaker 2: the fact that they want to make it a new show.
Speaker 2: I want it be like I'm in a writer's remote.
Speaker 2: I'm like pitching. I'm like this would you Michel Patrick?
Speaker 1: But this is part of being a queer person watching
Speaker 1: the show is it's like we do have ownership.
Speaker 2: I'm doing more press for and just like that that
Speaker 2: I'm doing for Glamorous if I being odists because I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: we know.
Speaker 1: The two feed each other famously. They accept, but they're
Speaker 1: absolutely obsessed with and I said.
Speaker 2: If they want they love a transor non binary actor
Speaker 2: on and just like that, if they want someone, I
Speaker 2: will come in, I will move mountains, I will do anything.
Speaker 1: Did you believe Marcomhea exists in the same world of
Speaker 1: and just like that? Do you think it's the same universe?
Speaker 1: I do? I mean I find it that way. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, in the original versions of the script there
Speaker 2: were sex and the City references, which, like obviously with
Speaker 2: Kim being attached, kind of had to be moved around,
Speaker 2: I would imagine, because it would have been like listen,
Speaker 2: where can be fun show? But there's something really weird
Speaker 2: about the idea of Kim saying sex and the City
Speaker 2: as a different character, like referring to the show Tod. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I mean, I well, I just got like.
Speaker 1: Chills thinking about it. I don't like it. I gotta
Speaker 1: love it, though maybe I do love it. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: why I got chills. It's gonna be like a multiverse thing.
Speaker 1: Kim Krall, she did like everything everywhere, all at once. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's one way I'm still open to the multiverse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's like there's three multiverses. I'm seeing I'm
Speaker 2: seeing sex in the city, I'm seeing glamorous, and I'm
Speaker 2: seeing I'm Kim Katrall scouting that specific video is its
Speaker 2: own universe. When that Kim katrall in that video leaves
Speaker 2: that scatting world, it's a different COVID never happened there.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, a world where Kim Katrol, actual Kim Katrol,
Speaker 1: Madeline and Samantha Jones were all in the room together.
Speaker 1: I want the Hollywood Report, a round table.
Speaker 2: I will pay for that. I will produce that.
Speaker 1: She can make it happen. Yeah, but yeah, So basically,
Speaker 1: like I'm watching the show and I just want to
Speaker 1: say something, like something really struck me. So I'm watching
Speaker 1: it just like that. And of course I could go
Speaker 1: in now on like the Chay of it all. Like
Speaker 1: it's just so the Chae Miranda relationship is so not
Speaker 1: fun to watch. It's weird. It's weird.
Speaker 2: I want to love it because on paper, I'm like
Speaker 2: that's fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, But like the thing is, like I think
Speaker 1: that what they've done with Chay that I don't think
Speaker 1: they intended to do is Chay is so unlikable. I
Speaker 1: don't like Chree.
Speaker 2: It's got to be the writing there, because there's moments
Speaker 2: where I'm like, I like see like a flash of
Speaker 2: what the point is. Yeah, but then they have moments
Speaker 2: where like if there's conflict between Miranda and Chay, I
Speaker 2: just like don't believe that anyone would respond in an
Speaker 2: argument in that way exactly, And so like I never
Speaker 2: know what. Like in the first season, I feel like
Speaker 2: we're gonna talk about it. I just like that this
Speaker 2: whole pot I know. Literally, I'm so happy to do that. Literally,
Speaker 2: I'm totally okay to never talk about anything that I do.
Speaker 2: But to me, like the first season, Chay was very
Speaker 2: like fuck boy, just like, yeah, all my cards are
Speaker 2: on the table, and I liked that. I was like, okay, cool,
Speaker 2: We're seeing Miranda like pursue this like never ending like
Speaker 2: pursuit or whatever. But then in season two now it
Speaker 2: feels like Chay is like also like in pursuit of
Speaker 2: something that they can't get. So like it's just weird
Speaker 2: thing where I'm like, you guys on paper should just
Speaker 2: be happy, yeah, but for some reason something is not happening.
Speaker 1: I think that what's happening is they are trying to
Speaker 1: make Chay one of the main characters of the show.
Speaker 1: Like we're seeing Chay get their own scenes like in
Speaker 1: the dressing room where there's a concern about Chay's weight
Speaker 1: from a producer things like that.
Speaker 2: That's pretty serious, right.
Speaker 1: I think what the show is losing is the fact
Speaker 1: that like we have to stay with the main character.
Speaker 2: We stay with the girls, and like stay everyone else
Speaker 2: can be a part of it, but like you have
Speaker 2: to put Miranda in that fitting. Yes, we have to
Speaker 2: see them Miranda through her eyes. Because the whole thing
Speaker 2: of Sex and the City, to like take it to
Speaker 2: like a biblical way, it's like we are all of
Speaker 2: those girls, all of us, my girl.
Speaker 1: It's literally like the quadrants of personality. Why it's like four.
Speaker 1: It's like not to bring this in, but it's like
Speaker 1: that's why they separate the Hogwarts houses, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like the Sex and the City girls, Like
Speaker 1: there's four, you know what I mean. It's like you
Speaker 1: can quadrant it in a way that makes sense, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And so when we're split into
Speaker 1: a million different directions. And also they're changing the characters
Speaker 1: a lot, it's like, of course, women over time, they change,
Speaker 1: they grow, but they are centrally who they are and
Speaker 1: that's important in storytelling.
Speaker 2: And so like when if we started crying right now, yeah, and.
Speaker 1: We are and one thing that you don't know about,
Speaker 1: miss Benning, and I is this is how we cry,
Speaker 1: like we're really crying hard, but anyway, like losing the characters. Yes,
Speaker 1: but the one thing I really wanted to talk about
Speaker 1: and this is important to me as a podcaster. Okay,
Speaker 1: so when Carrie he gets an ad that has to
Speaker 1: read in her podcast for a feminine odor product and
Speaker 1: can't wrap her head around it after.
Speaker 2: You already has sex column for decades.
Speaker 1: Honey, you first of all, let me give you a
Speaker 1: glimpse into what podcasting is. You're getting that you just
Speaker 1: fucking read it. Yeah, you just fucking read it. There's
Speaker 1: no integrity involved. Do they put it in front of you,
Speaker 1: You read it, and you make your check and you
Speaker 1: go the fuck home. And if anyone should know that
Speaker 1: it's Carrie fucking Bradshaw, it blew my mind. It was
Speaker 1: mind blowing. And I also just love that she was like, wow,
Speaker 1: we got a week off of work or like whatever,
Speaker 1: and I was like, these people is it?
Speaker 2: Like you literally have scenes where her people that she works,
Speaker 2: they're like all of her colleagues are literally like please
Speaker 2: do this ad and She's like, it's just not my style.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, honey, that blew my mind.
Speaker 1: It was It's just like who is this woman? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, and it's just such a
Speaker 1: misunderstanding of how it all works. And then for the
Speaker 1: podcast company to fold because it's like quote unquote tough
Speaker 1: for podcasts right now.
Speaker 2: It's not also that one ad broke them, like we
Speaker 2: don't do vagina, lubricate, well, pack it up.
Speaker 1: We're all going like look around at this budgeted like
Speaker 1: podcast studio. Also, the guy, the podcast producer, she was
Speaker 1: fucking was hot, but there was nothing there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I'm also like I'm kind of
Speaker 2: miss on sex in the City. I feel like the
Speaker 2: men were like really objectified in a way that I
Speaker 2: really rotate them out. They were rotated. They were also
Speaker 2: like naked a lot. Like I feel like when we
Speaker 2: saw Steve's I will never forget seeing Steve like laying
Speaker 2: on his stomach and see and being like, oh, this
Speaker 2: is made for me, Like this is what I want
Speaker 2: to see. And I feel like there's like not as
Speaker 2: much sex appeal and the men in the show, and
Speaker 2: the men are attractive, so I'm like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're just not They're not being utilized in that way,
Speaker 1: it feels like a neutered version of the show, which
Speaker 1: is bizarre.
Speaker 2: It's strange to have a show like based around I
Speaker 2: guess it's not based on sex anymore, but like, I
Speaker 2: want to see this.
Speaker 1: We got we got lots of good ass and glamorous.
Speaker 2: We did get some good ass and glamorous, and we
Speaker 2: didn't know how much was going to make it because
Speaker 2: we shot every scene that we did that had nudity.
Speaker 2: We shot it like at every stage of nudity.
Speaker 1: I see you got the PG version.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did all of them just in case, and
Speaker 2: they used most of them. Like I was actually really
Speaker 2: shocked to find out that there was a lot of
Speaker 2: butt in the show.
Speaker 1: Oh yea, there's so much butt the show in quality
Speaker 1: but too Yeah. And also like I just love when
Speaker 1: you have a gay director and they framed the ass
Speaker 1: in the shot, Like David Warren, who directed the PROVINCETI episode,
Speaker 1: if he thinks that people don't know what he was
Speaker 1: doing with Zane Phillips' ass in that scene where he
Speaker 1: Zane is standing on the diving board and it's like
Speaker 1: we're all in the foreground, like playing in the pool,
Speaker 1: and then it's just Zane's like fifteen out of ten
Speaker 1: ass just like standing on the diving board. I was
Speaker 1: just like, it's so funny because he's so gorgeous that
Speaker 1: you just laugh. It's almost not human. Like I talked
Speaker 1: to him about this one time.
Speaker 2: I was like, he's so sexy that it's like there's
Speaker 2: no sex to me anymore. Like I literally am like
Speaker 2: he's so I've now like just see him as like, oh,
Speaker 2: you're like an action figure.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: It was also funny because Marco, like Netflix had this
Speaker 2: like really funny attitude towards Marco where it was like
Speaker 2: Marco's like having sex and doing drugs and like doing
Speaker 2: all these young adult things, but also like Marco's a sweetheart.
Speaker 2: We need to like protect Marco. It's like a little virginal.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, you're like, no, Marco's a whore. No.
Speaker 2: I was like, literally, Marco is like fucking around show.
Speaker 2: It's crazy. And anytime everyone else had to be naked,
Speaker 2: I was like always the most covered up to the
Speaker 2: point that it created this narrative on set that people
Speaker 2: were like, if you're not comfortable, you can keep your
Speaker 2: shirt on into seat.
Speaker 1: I remember just what to be naked to see me.
Speaker 2: I was my body to be out. There's like a
Speaker 2: whole we shot. The we did like an underwear party
Speaker 2: sequence and it's like one hundred extras in jockstraps and
Speaker 2: then us in our little tidy white's and they were
Speaker 2: just telling us to do stuff. So it was like
Speaker 2: go to the DJ booth and stand on this desk
Speaker 2: and like dance into a shot. And then at one
Speaker 2: point they had Michael c Rosen walking down a line
Speaker 2: of background actors, kissing them on the cheek, and then
Speaker 2: me on a stripper pole and I'm supposed to be
Speaker 2: like dancing on and we were so fatigued and tired
Speaker 2: because you know, and Eve ben filming in a hot
Speaker 2: steo for so long and eventually you're just like saying.
Speaker 1: Whatever they asked or like sure.
Speaker 2: So I like did like a minute long take where
Speaker 2: I like I did things that God would not be
Speaker 2: proud of. And I remember the note I got back
Speaker 2: the next day was that Netflix watched the dailies and
Speaker 2: we're like, so miss Binny on a pole that was
Speaker 2: a lot and I was like, sorry, I did not
Speaker 2: mean and it was used for half a second in
Speaker 2: the cut.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's why you give them options. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you what it feels like I
Speaker 1: was doing to actually be up on this pole. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like, listen, if we get one sex moment
Speaker 2: in the show where someone gets to be an absolute whore,
Speaker 2: I'm going to claim it.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget getting to set. I think Joel and
Speaker 1: I ended on set, and I think you guys had
Speaker 1: like just done that very acrobatic like sex sequence. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you and Graham had, like I guess, like really went
Speaker 1: for it.
Speaker 2: Like we had like five days of just sex and
Speaker 2: making out, which was cut into a thirty second montage,
Speaker 2: And it was so funny because me and Graham up
Speaker 2: to that point were very friendly, but we hadn't really
Speaker 2: like had like a moment yet because we hadn't really
Speaker 2: shot anything very intimate like that. And then like day
Speaker 2: four of just like consistently making out and being like
Speaker 2: oiled up because like he was always naked, so he's
Speaker 2: like oiled up in body makeup. I have like heels
Speaker 2: and ruffles on because once again and they will not
Speaker 2: let me show any inch of skin. And I know
Speaker 2: there's actually a scene where and I remember fighting with
Speaker 2: the director about this because it was so crazy. But
Speaker 2: I'm supposed to completely take off that whole outfit in
Speaker 2: the scene, and so every time we reset, I had
Speaker 2: to literally like re button and reput on everything and
Speaker 2: then take it all off again. And I was like
Speaker 2: being an actor so.
Speaker 1: Hard, an actor faking sex.
Speaker 2: And also the famous story from that is that so
Speaker 2: Graham is naked, naked, barefoot, like dripping out of the
Speaker 2: shower and I'm wearing these Alexander McQueen shoes with these
Speaker 2: three spikes on the end that are like legitimately weapons,
Speaker 2: and I kept telling everyone on set.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you heard him right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like, these will hurt somebody, like, please be careful.
Speaker 2: And then in the scene, because Marco's the top, I'm
Speaker 2: supposed to like whip him around and push him down,
Speaker 2: and I remember we did like twenty takes of it,
Speaker 2: and then the last take, I like pulled him in
Speaker 2: for the kiss, and when I whipped him around, I
Speaker 2: heard a pop, as if someone had stepped on a balloon.
Speaker 2: And then when I pushed him down, he had like
Speaker 2: a wind on his face, and I was like, I
Speaker 2: just I thought I did good and maybe the kiss
Speaker 2: wasn't featuring like I was like wondering why he looked
Speaker 2: so like distraught, and then we looked down and there
Speaker 2: was like a puddle of blood.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: It stepped on the spikes and I essentially twisted him
Speaker 2: onto the spikes and then tiled the girl.
Speaker 1: I did. Yeah, and then not just in a twin
Speaker 1: top way. I know.
Speaker 2: Lots of them, pale, yeah, sex, montagement, a lot of
Speaker 2: things in that in that element, And to this day
Speaker 2: he still has like a three prong scar on the
Speaker 2: bottom of his FID shut the fuck up, And I
Speaker 2: think he owns a part of Netflix now, I think
Speaker 2: that was part of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was it. It's like years ago I heard
Speaker 1: a story about like, well I won't say what massive
Speaker 1: theme park it was, but a friend of mine went,
Speaker 1: Dolly was it wasn't, sorry, Dolly, no injuries have ever
Speaker 1: happened there. I'm sure she just clicked off of this. Now.
Speaker 1: She was like, by the way, you're a star, Dolly.
Speaker 1: But someone I guess was at this like massive theme
Speaker 1: park chain and like you know those like umbrellas that
Speaker 1: you put in a hole on a table so like
Speaker 1: if it's really windy, it could come out of the hole.
Speaker 1: Ostensibly so I guess the the umbrella. The umbrella flew
Speaker 1: out of the hole because a gust of wind came
Speaker 1: and you know the top of those umbrellas have those
Speaker 1: pointy tops, So it flew over and lodged into my
Speaker 1: friend's little brother's head, okay. And it was the kind
Speaker 1: of thing where it went into his skull, and it
Speaker 1: was the kind of thing where it was like, oh wow,
Speaker 1: this traumatic thing has just happened, and I feel no pain, right,
Speaker 1: And so first they came over and took care of it.
Speaker 1: And apparently they get to go to that theme park
Speaker 1: now for the rest of their lives for free, as
Speaker 1: long as they don't ever say anything.
Speaker 2: Okay, and I won't say so you're telling this tor
Speaker 2: right now. They like are at that theme park right
Speaker 2: now being removed, and they're like, you talk.
Speaker 1: Well, you shouldn't have told your fucking blabbermouth gay friend.
Speaker 2: Right with the podcast radio mouth over here. I know, period,
Speaker 2: that is crazy. It was completely insane. Actually, I see
Speaker 2: those umbrellas that are like locked into the table. I'm like,
Speaker 2: this is a bad idea.
Speaker 1: Crazy, It's just like it's too much. There's got to
Speaker 1: be a better way. I literally watched.
Speaker 2: I was at the beach the other day and somebody
Speaker 2: had one of those umbrellas you like screw into this
Speaker 2: hand and it had come out and was like flew
Speaker 2: over and literally almost impaled somebody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it happens. You're like, happens to me all the time,
Speaker 1: all the time. You get used to it. You can't
Speaker 1: have fun anywhere these baby malleble baby, speaking of speaking
Speaker 1: of formative experiences, like the traumatic experience that my friend's
Speaker 1: little brother went through. Right, We're going to transition out
Speaker 1: to this part of the podcast, which is really the
Speaker 1: central question of this podcast, And I'm thrilled that I
Speaker 1: get to talk to you about this because I know
Speaker 1: it's going to be a thrilling, engrossing answer, which is
Speaker 1: Miss Benny, what was the culture that made you say
Speaker 1: culture was for you? This is that thing that you
Speaker 1: can look back and you're like, when I consume this culture, Sure,
Speaker 1: when I was privy to this pop culture, that's when
Speaker 1: I can pinpoint me becoming who I am.
Speaker 2: I'm really excited to say this because I'm curious if
Speaker 2: you were also this person. But for me, it was always, always, always,
Speaker 2: I could sim off one hundred stories about America's Next
Speaker 2: Time Model.
Speaker 1: Oh come on.
Speaker 2: Particularly, one of my earliest trans thoughts and memories that
Speaker 2: should have like illuminated everything to me was when I
Speaker 2: was a kid, I would watch the show and I
Speaker 2: would dream of and not dream of in a way
Speaker 2: of like that would be fun. It's like I originally
Speaker 2: was like, this will happen for me. I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm going to be on this show. I'm going to
Speaker 2: be one of the contestants. And I remember I would
Speaker 2: tell that to people and they'd be like, oh, if
Speaker 2: they ever had like boys to the cast, and I
Speaker 2: was like, what the fuck is.
Speaker 1: There?
Speaker 2: Was like that literally is don't talk, don't talk, you
Speaker 2: are ton't invest, don't talk.
Speaker 1: I was like, We're not doing that.
Speaker 2: And then when they actually eventually added boys to the show,
Speaker 2: I stopped watching. I was like, Yeah, this is the show.
Speaker 2: I wanted to be one of the girls.
Speaker 1: I want to go to Rome.
Speaker 2: I wanted to like do all of the Tyra banks
Speaker 2: like Trauma, Shananigan.
Speaker 1: You want to do Gosties, Yes, I wanted.
Speaker 2: To go on the go Sies and have them tell
Speaker 2: me that I'm too Southern, Like that's what I wanted.
Speaker 2: I wanted to go to after all of those and
Speaker 2: go booked, like I wanted to have my confessional moment.
Speaker 2: I wanted to like hook up with a boy in
Speaker 2: Italy and cry about it, like I wanted to have
Speaker 2: the whole thing. And then it was also my first
Speaker 2: time I ever saw gay people, the first time I
Speaker 2: ever saw a transperson with Isis King, and I remember
Speaker 2: her experience on the show that time in television was
Speaker 2: just crazy. And obviously America's ex Model was very famously
Speaker 2: like when people watch it back, they're gagged at what
Speaker 2: made it on TV at the.
Speaker 1: Time problematic culture, but it was formative.
Speaker 2: Culture, formative, and I remember Isis on the show specifically
Speaker 2: was the first time I ever heard of what being
Speaker 2: trans was. And it was crazy because she was like
Speaker 2: met with so much blatant transphobia. I mean, they were
Speaker 2: just like zooming in on her body in very crazy
Speaker 2: ways during like all of these photo shoots, and I
Speaker 2: remember just being like, this is insane that they're treating
Speaker 2: her this way, but also feeling like I'm so I
Speaker 2: like see myself in this person for the first time,
Speaker 2: and she was like one of the girls, one of
Speaker 2: the models, and like I remember, it was just like
Speaker 2: so cool to me to watch queer people on a
Speaker 2: show like that, And it was like somehow able to
Speaker 2: be like sneak that into my like conservative Christian household
Speaker 2: because my sister liked it and it was seen as
Speaker 2: like a girly thing. So if I watched it, it
Speaker 2: was like, oh, that's just because it's on. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: one might as well. But I fully like with the
Speaker 2: little digital camera we had, I would like hang things
Speaker 2: on my body and like pose And I remember Eva
Speaker 2: and Cycle three like had this famous photo with this
Speaker 2: transl onnic where her hands like cascading over her eye and.
Speaker 1: Maybe the best picture ever taken on that series.
Speaker 2: To this day. If someone's ever like be Fierce, I'm like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's the little v over the eye.
Speaker 2: Huh, which is like, by the way, what are the
Speaker 2: corniest posts you could possibly.
Speaker 1: That's maybe why I like it so much, just because
Speaker 1: those girls they see in the comedy queed literally literally wow,
Speaker 1: okay wait. The fact that you were the only one
Speaker 1: on set that understood when I said.
Speaker 2: Came from there's so many particularly by favor with you
Speaker 2: is you were one of the only people that understand
Speaker 2: my like random drag race preferences because everyone can do
Speaker 2: the like back rolls moms.
Speaker 1: But I remember I was.
Speaker 2: Like, let's take a second to see how this goes, right.
Speaker 1: And I was, oh, please, because there's nothing more important
Speaker 1: to me, and we will get back to the top model.
Speaker 1: But like, the thing I think is the funniest thing
Speaker 1: in the world is Cadence's like when people say things
Speaker 1: a certain way, like the choice of Alroy, Like to me,
Speaker 1: it's like I will always say to Bow and I'll
Speaker 1: just go Orroy and I can say that sort of
Speaker 1: knowing what it is, like some people in my life
Speaker 1: sort of knowing what it is. But I do have
Speaker 1: to always remind people. The one time I did not
Speaker 1: have to remind people where it was from, was you.
Speaker 2: My best friend Buddy always makes funny because if I
Speaker 2: say something with a particular Cadence and he doesn't recognize
Speaker 2: what it's from, He's like, what, like two thousand and
Speaker 2: eight reality show, I'm constantly doing from top motto. There's
Speaker 2: a moment where I think it's cycles stick. It is
Speaker 2: whatever Nicole's season was, but she there's an argument between
Speaker 2: Lisa and this other girl who I'm forgetting the name
Speaker 2: of right now and she he literally is like calling
Speaker 2: her out for something. They were goes and what are
Speaker 2: you doing, stupid alcoholic bitch. I say that if someone's
Speaker 2: ever like, oh, Benny, You're like you're in the wrong
Speaker 2: lane or something, I'll be like, and what are you doing?
Speaker 2: It's my favorite thing in the world.
Speaker 1: There were so much from that show that like remained
Speaker 1: in pop culture, not even just as like you know,
Speaker 1: a funny tyre thing or like a funny thing about
Speaker 1: the contestants, but just reality show culture, Like there are
Speaker 1: two beautiful girls standing in front of me, I only
Speaker 1: have one photo in my hands, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like study and I always go. My friend Sudi and
Speaker 1: I always go, like whenever we have to like say something,
Speaker 1: I always do.
Speaker 2: And if I'm talking about anything to do with Brazil.
Speaker 1: There's something about the season with Melrose and Carrie D
Speaker 1: which is my favorite. Unhinged. Those girls were out well,
Speaker 1: they were completely insane. Carrie D was completely remember the runway,
Speaker 1: the final runway, which was them like screaming down the hall.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were doing this like Alexander McQueen screeching thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was insane.
Speaker 2: I love that show.
Speaker 1: And I know it was amazing.
Speaker 2: I know that it's aged in such a crazy way,
Speaker 2: but there's just nothing quite like the moment where I
Speaker 2: forget the name of the girl who literally like faints
Speaker 2: in the middle of the yes yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: and then they just like resume judging afterwards, Like it
Speaker 2: is the craziest I think.
Speaker 1: Tyro was like, and this is the reason why we
Speaker 1: drink water. Okay, keep it going.
Speaker 2: She's like when I was a model working backstage, if
Speaker 2: I fainted, I just went out there and I fainted
Speaker 2: on stage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I made it part of the show.
Speaker 2: Also, just the pop culture of every single time they
Speaker 2: makeovers came Tyra being like, you're gonna have a pixy
Speaker 2: cut like Mia Farroh, and you're gonna have long, straight
Speaker 2: hair like Naomi Campbell. Ye always talked so highly of Naomi,
Speaker 2: which was so wild when you were also a fan
Speaker 2: of like the Tyra Banks show.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh I loved it. I ate it all.
Speaker 1: I mean, one of the great YouTube videos you can
Speaker 1: go back and rewatch is the Tyro Naomi interview.
Speaker 2: But there's no audience and it's literally just them too,
Speaker 2: just like.
Speaker 1: Just like the way they couldn't get there, and they
Speaker 1: had to clearly like have a commercial break, and the
Speaker 1: producers had to say to Naomi like, hey, like we
Speaker 1: definitely need some resolution here, like it's going to be
Speaker 1: really bad. I dream I actually thought about I do apologize, yeah,
Speaker 1: And she's like, I don't know what fool, but I apologize,
Speaker 1: like's not that deep? I it's not that deep. Is
Speaker 1: a moment in culture, so good.
Speaker 2: And I Also my favorite quote from that too is
Speaker 2: when Tyler's talking about something that Naomi said a photoshot.
Speaker 2: She's like, you came over to me and you said,
Speaker 2: you know what you said? And Amy goes, what did
Speaker 2: I say?
Speaker 1: What did I say?
Speaker 2: It's so fiir. She's like excited, She's like kaking about it.
Speaker 2: What did I She's like, where did I get you it?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? How did I get you together that day?
Speaker 1: Little girl?
Speaker 2: And then I think it was that she had said
Speaker 2: something of like I heard what you were saying about
Speaker 2: me earlier, bitch, and then like walked away, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: first of all, if I said that to somebody, it
Speaker 2: would absolutely be funny, Like it would be a joke.
Speaker 2: I'd be like, I heard what you said about me.
Speaker 1: That's what I love about being not that's what I
Speaker 1: love about being queer. But like the thing is like
Speaker 1: like pride is over man and and like I said,
Speaker 1: I am sobbing full and like this is the thing
Speaker 1: about me. But that is something at least that is
Speaker 1: like gifted to us. Is It's like nothing is ever
Speaker 1: that serious, like unless it is. But like if I
Speaker 1: came over to you during a take and was like
Speaker 1: I heard what you said about me, you fucking bitch,
Speaker 1: I know you would laugh, yeah, of course. Wellas back
Speaker 1: in the model days of Tyra and Naomi there was
Speaker 1: no laughing.
Speaker 2: There was nowhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 2: And then just to like really, I mean the pinnacle
Speaker 2: of like pop model personalities was Jade because how could
Speaker 2: you ever top that, I mean, proto type villain. I
Speaker 2: wonder where she is now. I would love you to
Speaker 2: have her on the pod if you haven't already, like
Speaker 2: that would it would be iconic. She understood reality TV
Speaker 2: before I think people understood how to do reality TV.
Speaker 2: It was like, oh, you're in Tiffany Pollard, Like it
Speaker 2: was like two people who understood how to do this.
Speaker 1: And can we just say justice for all of these
Speaker 1: mostly women who got the bad rap of like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's a villain, she's the quote unquote bitch. Like whatever, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: what they were doing was giving you something to watch.
Speaker 1: It's like, if you go back, this is probably before
Speaker 1: your time too, but like years and years and years ago,
Speaker 1: I know you're a Survivor Queen Jerry Manthe on the
Speaker 1: second season of Survivor Australian Outback. She was like aspiring actress.
Speaker 1: She she did well in the competition. She was unabashedly horny,
Speaker 1: she was devious, she was like one of the girls cackling.
Speaker 1: She was making up lies about other people. She said
Speaker 1: that one of the tell me literally. And she did well,
Speaker 1: and she had such a bad reputation at the time
Speaker 1: in the media because she was like, you know, like
Speaker 1: the vixen and like the bitch goddess of the island
Speaker 1: and like the villain and the antagonist. Meanwhile, if she
Speaker 1: competed on Survivor today, people would be like, that's genius
Speaker 1: that you made everyone think he smuggled in beef jerky.
Speaker 1: That's amazing you told that personally said something bitchy about them,
Speaker 1: because that's how you win. Now, cut on these antagonists,
Speaker 1: these girls that were doing the show and getting in
Speaker 1: each other's heads and doing reality television. Yeah that got
Speaker 1: this bad rap at the time and probably couldn't leave
Speaker 1: the house would be celebrated today, and we celebrate them
Speaker 1: on this party.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. And I feel like gay people have like always
Speaker 2: been a little in on that. Like I was just okay,
Speaker 2: this is crazy. But when I was with Zaane last night,
Speaker 2: we were at some party that Parverty was at.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Parverty is very around. I watched the
Speaker 1: finale of Survival with Parverty this year. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: so you're a blessed child. That is so lucky of you.
Speaker 1: Did you get to engage with Parverty? Yes?
Speaker 2: And the person who was hosting this party was like, Hey,
Speaker 2: I know this is funny, but this is real. I've
Speaker 2: hidden like a hidden immunity idle at this party and
Speaker 2: so whoever finds it. I don't rember what the like
Speaker 2: prize actually was, but I was like, you have to
Speaker 2: find it, and so me, of course, me and Zaye
Speaker 2: were like, we will.
Speaker 1: All over the house. Wait, this happened last night.
Speaker 2: This happened last night.
Speaker 1: Because this same thing happened at the finale party. I
Speaker 1: was at her with I'm wondering if this is something
Speaker 1: she does at party.
Speaker 2: She does because she knows we want it, because when
Speaker 2: we met her, we were like skirting around the fact
Speaker 2: that we're all like this is a fivate legit, like
Speaker 2: this is crazy. And so the next thing, like Parvety's
Speaker 2: like giving us tips on where to look, like she
Speaker 2: like had heard notes and hints that were given, and
Speaker 2: so like then it looks like we're just like robbing
Speaker 2: this person's house because I'm like, you're.
Speaker 1: Like in the bathroom going through cabinets now.
Speaker 2: But listen, Like if somebody who's hosting a party and
Speaker 2: by the way, didn't know the host before this, if
Speaker 2: somebody's housing a party that you're going to and you
Speaker 2: don't know them very well, and they tell you I've
Speaker 2: hitden a hatmmunity to ido you need to find it,
Speaker 2: You're then negotiating with yourself like how serious can I
Speaker 2: take this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just carte blanche because I'm going through your pills.
Speaker 2: We opened the microwave, like yeah, like going through drawers,
Speaker 2: Like there was a room that was closed and I
Speaker 2: was like do I go in there? Like I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what the rules you would Parverty and
Speaker 2: then guess what. About an hour into it, I went
Speaker 2: up to the host and asked for another hint and
Speaker 2: was like, I think, I know it's probably over here,
Speaker 2: and they were like, somebody found it, and I think
Speaker 2: it was Poverty.
Speaker 1: I really do well. She's so good at that.
Speaker 2: And so then we went up to Parvety and we
Speaker 2: were like, but whoever gets it, I'll probably isn't gonna
Speaker 2: tell anyone about it, right, And she was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I've heard that that's probably the right way to do it.
Speaker 1: Isn't it funny? Like when you meet Poverty in person
Speaker 1: and she like, is Parverty? Yes, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like it's been years since she was on the show,
Speaker 1: but it's giving part.
Speaker 2: Yes, she's perfect. She's perfect every season I've watched with
Speaker 2: her in it. I'm just like, how if I was
Speaker 2: in that competition and she was there, I would sacrifice
Speaker 2: myself for her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and anyway I'd be like she is one of
Speaker 1: them too, though, like because she also was like on
Speaker 1: Survivor at that time. Yeah, where now I think looking
Speaker 1: back and I think, like true Survivor fans like always
Speaker 1: do think of her as one of the greats, obviously
Speaker 1: because she is. But at the time I remember her
Speaker 1: first season like, yeah, which is cook Islands, she was
Speaker 1: looked at as like, oh, she's the flirtatious one, like
Speaker 1: her game is not to be taken seriously, et cetera,
Speaker 1: to the point where I remember when she came back
Speaker 1: for Micronesia, which she ended up winning again, everyone was like, oh,
Speaker 1: we know her game already, like it doesn't work. Then
Speaker 1: it worked beautifully. And at what I love is seeing
Speaker 1: girls come on the show and try to do the
Speaker 1: poverty thing and I'm like, girl, you could never be party,
Speaker 1: you could never be watched to.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: That's my favorite thing is when you people are like
Speaker 1: what kind of game do you think you're gonna play?
Speaker 1: Because you know, I watch all the pre interviews and
Speaker 1: people are like, I think I'm gonna be like poverty.
Speaker 1: I'm like, shut up.
Speaker 2: The thing about Poverty that watching it, that truly it
Speaker 2: gets me every time, is like she somehow has this
Speaker 2: like aura of I'm like so clued in, but I
Speaker 2: also don't give a fuck. Yeah, she truly like knows
Speaker 2: how to give somebody just enough attention in a way
Speaker 2: that does and that's something that I absolutely don't have
Speaker 2: as a person, like I fully will give way too
Speaker 2: much to somebody because I'm like, this is what you want, right,
Speaker 2: But she like in every conversation she had, she just
Speaker 2: felt like she was like, we're the cool one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's never done too much in her life.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think she even knows what that feels like.
Speaker 2: And so every time I watch her, I was just
Speaker 2: like taking like social notes on how to speak to people.
Speaker 1: She's so good, social notes that you probably were not
Speaker 1: taking during Top Model because they were the collection of
Speaker 1: the craziest people in America.
Speaker 2: No, I think Top Model like formed me and then
Speaker 2: parverties me trying to unform. Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to
Speaker 2: like take what I have and likes it.
Speaker 1: Okay, So America's Top Model culture like that was formative.
Speaker 1: Do you have just to throw out there? Do you
Speaker 1: have a picture in your mind of who the best
Speaker 1: not winner, but contestant and in America's next Top Model
Speaker 1: history is like who is the most iconic? And it
Speaker 1: can be a winner who.
Speaker 2: Is the most iconic? Oh that's a hard one. I
Speaker 2: do feel like when people post clips of Top Model
Speaker 2: obviously like not of Tyra. I feel like it is Jade,
Speaker 2: Like I do feel like it has to be her.
Speaker 2: I feel like I remember vividly the warfare when Alis
Speaker 2: and Harvard did not win her season of Psychoto, and
Speaker 2: I remember just how scary it was to be a
Speaker 2: Top Model fan at that time, because it felt like our.
Speaker 1: World who was scared of? I was scared.
Speaker 2: I was scared. Yeah, I think that, like I'd never
Speaker 2: seen like a fan favorite on that show more than her,
Speaker 2: and I've met her a couple of times. Down every
Speaker 2: single time she Like you know when you meet someone
Speaker 2: that like you really admire their famous and they've like
Speaker 2: worked on something years ago and you don't want to
Speaker 2: like ask them about it, so you just like talk
Speaker 2: to them and they like refer to this thing that
Speaker 2: they did and they're like, oh, yeah, I did this
Speaker 2: show and I was like twenty that was like super
Speaker 2: crazy and now.
Speaker 1: You have to like be like oh cool, Like oh wow,
Speaker 1: what was the what was it?
Speaker 2: Then they're like, oh, it's like a America's Next Time
Speaker 2: Model And you're like, oh that's so yeah, I've seen that.
Speaker 1: So did you play that game or were you you did? Oh?
Speaker 2: I'm of course that girl. Are you kidding me.
Speaker 1: Again, you are being part of you could not give
Speaker 1: too much.
Speaker 2: No, I can't because it'd be too much to give
Speaker 2: too much.
Speaker 1: I always I feel like it's better now to just
Speaker 1: be like I saw this thing, I know this thing.
Speaker 2: You're really good at that though, I will say, like
Speaker 2: when you meet the girls, you're really good about just
Speaker 2: being like I worship you and we can move on.
Speaker 1: I feel because I feel like it does get it
Speaker 1: out of the way, because then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: you realize you're like drained. Later when you're trying, especially
Speaker 1: like when you yourself are meeting someone like and then
Speaker 1: they revealed like I've been on dates very good where
Speaker 1: thank you so much. I've been on dates period. Okay,
Speaker 1: end of podcasts, no, but like I've been on dates
Speaker 1: and like it'll be like the third or fourth date
Speaker 1: that someone will be like, hey, I just feel at
Speaker 1: this point it's a little weird, and I want to
Speaker 1: tell you like I do listen to the podcast weird,
Speaker 1: or I do watch this show, or I do know
Speaker 1: this movie, or I do know this thing, or even
Speaker 1: sometimes like I've actually been to your shows, and at
Speaker 1: that point I'm just like see and now being on
Speaker 1: that side of it. Now, I really know, just tell
Speaker 1: people the knowledge that you have.
Speaker 2: You have to acknowledge it.
Speaker 1: They move on because all of a sudden, it's like honey.
Speaker 2: Because then it feels like they've been hiding something from you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it's like, well now I feel like looking back
Speaker 2: at every interaction, I'm like, this was all colored by
Speaker 2: you knowing me versus I would have just known that before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting. I would never think like, oh, what
Speaker 1: was your motive until now, Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: That's creepy. I'm so sorry that happened to you.
Speaker 1: Are you partnered up right now? Are you booing? You know?
Speaker 1: She's Oh my.
Speaker 2: God, answer, it's so crazy of me.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I have this like she's taken care of she you
Speaker 2: know that I know about the that was so sorry.
Speaker 2: You know, she's having orgasms. She's very and just like that.
Speaker 2: But you know what's so funny is I have this
Speaker 2: like because of the era that I became like privy
Speaker 2: to pop culture, I'm like so burned in my brain
Speaker 2: with two thousand and eight logic where I'm like, when
Speaker 2: you're a public figure, you need to be like so open.
Speaker 2: People need to feel like they could have you if
Speaker 2: they knew you. Okay, talk about this because you know
Speaker 2: how like think about like Justin Bieber or like any
Speaker 2: of these like pop stars. Early on, it was always
Speaker 2: like you want the audience to feel like you're attainable
Speaker 2: and if you were like dating something. I mean I
Speaker 2: think of a lot of these like boy bands and
Speaker 2: pop stars who like it was always like, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't really talking about it, Ariana Grande being like.
Speaker 1: You know, just flirting. Yeah, it's yeah.
Speaker 2: And so I have that burned in my brain, which
Speaker 2: is like not how it is now to the point
Speaker 2: that like if I go on a date with anyone,
Speaker 2: or I meet anyone or anything's going on, like I
Speaker 2: hold that so close to my chest, like the world
Speaker 2: is banging on the door to know anything about my life.
Speaker 2: It's so right. And I will say the weird thing
Speaker 2: now about being like on the like weird like Z
Speaker 2: list of gay famous is like the ways that people
Speaker 2: recognize me and know of me previously are so weird
Speaker 2: where it's like if I go to like Forever twenty one,
Speaker 2: someone will know me. If I go to like a
Speaker 2: max store, someone will know me. But people also like
Speaker 2: grew up with my music and my YouTube videos. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: to the point that now, like even on like the apps,
Speaker 2: someone will message me and be like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I grew up with your music or whatever, like it's
Speaker 2: so great, and then they like send the folder and
Speaker 2: I'm like that is the strangest segue.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so like I don't know what to do. It's like, hey,
Speaker 3: I don't think so, honey, if this is not actually you,
Speaker 3: ha ha oh yeah. And then you see their hole yeah,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh my god. It's like if you
Speaker 3: sat on Santa's lap and we're like, well, you're doing liter.
Speaker 1: And I just want to let you know that I
Speaker 1: grew up with you. I've been leaving. She's out for
Speaker 1: you all my life. Here's a picture of me sliding
Speaker 1: into someone else. I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: And then it's like a voice message Santa. Yeah, Santa's hot.
Speaker 1: Though.
Speaker 2: I guess now I'm humanizing I'm Santa. I guess in
Speaker 2: this context, would she fuck Sannah?
Speaker 1: Yeah you would. Yeah, I mean you have to remember game.
Speaker 1: I'm like, but.
Speaker 2: Imagine the steps to this moment. Yeah, I would need
Speaker 2: to know, like this isn't a Santa personate. I need
Speaker 2: to know, like this is real Santa's reo.
Speaker 1: First of all, well, first of all, let's let's exist
Speaker 1: in mall logic, right, So when you go to the mall,
Speaker 1: that logic, yeah that's Sanah. So like just know when
Speaker 1: you meet Santa, that is Santa. Yeah, okay, period, Absolutely
Speaker 1: I would the dick of death. I would take the
Speaker 1: dick of death from Santa. I am ready for Sana.
Speaker 1: I think he gives the dick of death.
Speaker 2: I think so probably Yeah, he says he ho ho,
Speaker 2: that's so true.
Speaker 1: Do you think he's faithful in missus Claus. I think
Speaker 1: there's no way he's what faithful to missus Claus.
Speaker 2: I think they're open. And I think she's plugging up
Speaker 2: at home too.
Speaker 1: You think so, yeah, she got it.
Speaker 2: Listen, think about the North Pole, think about all of
Speaker 2: these like workers that grow up. They can't always work
Speaker 2: in the twenty factory.
Speaker 1: So years and years and years ago. This is back
Speaker 1: in the day when like doing comedy, when I was
Speaker 1: in like you know, the late aughts, like Twine twenty ten,
Speaker 1: like this is when I was like starting to like
Speaker 1: do comedy. And one of the things that was very
Speaker 1: sort of common about doing comedy at that time was
Speaker 1: like you would do a comedy rap. So years ago
Speaker 1: I wrote a comedy rap that actually does exist online.
Speaker 1: It's called When Santa Leave, and it's about when Santa
Speaker 1: leaves the North Pole, how high everyone gets because it's
Speaker 1: a celebration. And there was a verse that I wrote
Speaker 1: as Missus Clause and it was sort of talking about
Speaker 1: how what a horse she is, and.
Speaker 2: There was theme now and you're a creative process.
Speaker 1: All I want is writ everyone Christmas. She's she gets.
Speaker 1: It was literally like you get in a North Pole.
Speaker 1: I got a tight hole. It was like the most
Speaker 1: like dra basic And again it was like I would
Speaker 1: never perform it again because again I don't think the
Speaker 1: world needs me to be rapping, but at the time
Speaker 1: it's just like I need you to lonely Island culture.
Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, we're rapping. That's combedy and so
Speaker 1: like I just ripped this viciously horrish line as Missus
Speaker 1: Claus and I continue to talk about her and my
Speaker 1: Christmas content. I'm fascinated by her, but I hope she's
Speaker 1: getting fucked. I hope so too.
Speaker 2: I mean, here's the thing, like Missus Claws and Sanna
Speaker 2: are immortal, so they figured it out. They've got a system,
Speaker 2: I'm sure, Like I imagine they're not like new to this,
Speaker 2: they've had.
Speaker 1: A wait, that's actually at Culture R fifty. Missus Claus
Speaker 1: and Santa aren't new to this. Yeah, and that's the
Speaker 1: Christmas spirit they figured out. So you think that it's
Speaker 1: a little bit like, you know, maybe like Tom Cruisey.
Speaker 2: It's like, here's a question just amongst your question for
Speaker 2: the culture culture. Do you think they are in the
Speaker 2: open situation where they it's like out of sight, out
Speaker 2: of mind, like when he's gone, they can that's I
Speaker 2: preferred situation, okay, Or do you think they're more of
Speaker 2: like he goes and does it, she has her moment,
Speaker 2: and then they come home and they talk.
Speaker 1: About it there. I hope not.
Speaker 2: She can't lie though, because it'll be on the naughty list.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: So literally, he's like, what did you do last night?
Speaker 2: She goes, you don't want to know about it.
Speaker 1: And now all of a sudden, I really want to
Speaker 1: know about it. My god. I would imagine that with them,
Speaker 1: it's like there's no one else in the world for them,
Speaker 1: so there's no reason to not be brutally honest. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean, like I guess I'll say this,
Speaker 2: I would sleep with Sanna.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't date Sanna. No, that's too much because
Speaker 1: first of all, he's so busy, always on the road,
Speaker 1: always on the road, and al so you know you're
Speaker 1: not the only girl. Yeah, and you don't catch feelings.
Speaker 2: You can't catch feelings?
Speaker 1: Do you catch feelings? Easy? You do? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean I can true coffee with Michael Sue Rosen
Speaker 1: and you're talking about it months later on.
Speaker 2: The podcast, and I did just say I would sleep
Speaker 2: with Sanna, So I guess.
Speaker 1: So it's giving horror. Yeah, it's giving easy. Yeah, said
Speaker 1: she is the discount doll everyone can purchase discount all
Speaker 1: maybe is a better title of app.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I can't really romanticize anyone. Yeah, I think truly,
Speaker 2: Like I think about when I first started dating, and
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know, like like my best friend,
Speaker 2: for example, can be single for like a really long
Speaker 2: time and be so happy and like he's truly he's
Speaker 2: like such high standards, which I think is good.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I on the other hand, of like I am always
Speaker 2: booed up in some form, and so like for me,
Speaker 2: I'm like, what do you mean you can't find somebody
Speaker 2: that you like, love and enjoy? Like, yeah, I love everyone.
Speaker 2: I can enjoy anyone.
Speaker 1: My therapist threw at me the other day. Not the
Speaker 1: other day, this is a few months ago. She goes,
Speaker 1: I don't know, do you think maybe we're a little
Speaker 1: bit of a love addict? And I was like, uh,
Speaker 1: what do you mean? She was like, I think you
Speaker 1: might be addicted to the idea of and concept of
Speaker 1: being in love and being partnered in like that excitement,
Speaker 1: in that rush, which then did end up playing itself
Speaker 1: out in a way. Yeah. So now it's like when
Speaker 1: you know you're susceptible to that, it's actually good to
Speaker 1: know because like it's a lot of emotional energy and
Speaker 1: like you also know it's less about the person and
Speaker 1: it is you. You're looking for something, don't necessarily like
Speaker 1: think you're finding it everywhere.
Speaker 2: You know what It also is too, like I this
Speaker 2: isn't like a new thought, Like I definitely know people
Speaker 2: on like TikTok are talking about this, but it's like
Speaker 2: it's also the thing of I can entertain myself on
Speaker 2: a date, no matter what. If somebody's like not giving
Speaker 2: me anything, I can like make that fun for myself.
Speaker 1: And that's the part that I think is dangerous though,
Speaker 1: because when you're on a date and you're sort of
Speaker 1: thinking about it, like I'm going to crush this date. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is different than connecting with a person and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden you leave and you're like that went well,
Speaker 1: and it's like, no, bitch, you turned it because you're
Speaker 1: the moment. I turned it out. You turned it because
Speaker 1: you're the moment, but you didn't like the person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, congragulations, but engagulations.
Speaker 1: You are the winner of this challenge. Yeah, but there's
Speaker 1: no immunity now. Fully.
Speaker 2: I fully dated this boy one time for like it
Speaker 2: was like two or three dates, and I remember like
Speaker 2: being so gushy about him to my friends, but then
Speaker 2: like had I had no anecdotes or like stories to tell.
Speaker 2: I was just like, but I just feel so good
Speaker 2: on the dates. It's like, oh, it's because I'm doing
Speaker 2: it tight under ten, like I'm showing up and being like,
Speaker 2: you'll never believe it happened to me this way. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I love that because I love me exactly. When
Speaker 2: you live for your fantasy.
Speaker 1: You are your own diva. You are the doll. Yes,
Speaker 1: and that's actually really culture number ninety nine. When you
Speaker 1: are your own diva, you are the doll. But this
Speaker 1: is just a question that I have because I do
Speaker 1: this all the time. Because I have this, I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's because I have a background in writing
Speaker 1: or because I'm a performer or whatever. I often will
Speaker 1: show up on dates and now I really try not
Speaker 1: to do this, but I used to show up on
Speaker 1: dates all the time with a line I was going
Speaker 1: to say. It was like a joke. I was open
Speaker 1: with an icebreaker. Are you giving rehearsed Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm in the same boat as you, where I have
Speaker 2: to try that for everything though, where it's like if
Speaker 2: I'm going, I mean, this is social anxiety.
Speaker 1: Hi, thank yeah, of course, thank you.
Speaker 2: I medica every situation I go into with like an
Speaker 2: opening icebreaker, and I'm trying to break that because then
Speaker 2: what happens is if it doesn't land, my life's over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the situation's done.
Speaker 2: If we had started this pod and like we didn't
Speaker 2: immediately start kiking right away, it would have been I
Speaker 2: would have left anyway.
Speaker 1: Well, that's why I was so excited you were coming.
Speaker 1: Is because I was like, I don't have to I
Speaker 1: feel like I could just show up with Ms Benning
Speaker 1: and just you know, it's the gusts. And I've always
Speaker 1: felt that about you. I've always felt that about you.
Speaker 1: You're my girl.
Speaker 2: We have like the weirdest I feel like upbringing. It
Speaker 2: is like social friends, because I feel like I met
Speaker 2: you at Betty Who. I saw you here and there,
Speaker 2: and then we ended Queen. Yeah, and then we randomly
Speaker 2: ended up at a Jessica Simpson book tour.
Speaker 1: Ohn, my god, do you remember that.
Speaker 2: And the Pita running on stage moment?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Quickly before we get into I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: we have to relive this moment. So we were we
Speaker 1: were at Jessica Simpson's what was she was? She was
Speaker 1: being interviewed by Katherine Schwarzenegger. Lots to unpack there. Who
Speaker 1: was married to Chris Pratt? Is she not anymore? Who
Speaker 1: is married to? I think they are so like Catherine
Speaker 1: was interviewing Jessica Simpson about her inspiring new book, Open Book,
Speaker 1: and you know, like the Qus we are we were like,
Speaker 1: we're absolutely going to this and I should have known.
Speaker 2: Of course that y'all would be there, and also the
Speaker 2: fact that it was like a two hour book Q
Speaker 2: and a moment and I don't believe anything was said no,
Speaker 2: but I loved it.
Speaker 1: There was then the moment where a peda person represented
Speaker 1: I almost a representative them, like they certainly were representing Petah.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you that. So they're giving a peta
Speaker 1: their mind, Peter, their minds. I'm gonna stand up and
Speaker 1: give you a peeda something Peter my heart take another
Speaker 1: little one. So basically they stand up like and they
Speaker 1: waited a long time, like this is like an hour
Speaker 1: long conversation. They waited what had to be like forty
Speaker 1: five minutes, OK. To then get up and scream at
Speaker 1: Jessica for using.
Speaker 2: Fur and was crazy because I don't know if you remember,
Speaker 2: but it was one person who was in like the
Speaker 2: middle of the aisle so like they couldn't really remove them.
Speaker 2: And then that person, I don't know how it got handled.
Speaker 2: And then like popcorn, they just showed up around every
Speaker 2: bunch they organized where they were sitting to where I
Speaker 2: didn't I thought you were going to stand up.
Speaker 1: I know, all of a sudden, can you the gag
Speaker 1: that would have been had I stood up and been like, hey,
Speaker 1: Jessica was like if I had been like.
Speaker 2: A crazy social anxity apply not.
Speaker 1: That they're crazy people, they have all the right in
Speaker 1: the world to do this, but like in the moment,
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: Just like, they're advocating for his great but I was
Speaker 2: scared of Jessica SIMPSONID like, why are we fighting Jessica
Speaker 2: Simpson at this moment? Yeah, in two thousand and whatever
Speaker 2: that was, But.
Speaker 1: I guess that's how you do it, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, you take your space in the moment
Speaker 1: to let people do go to Jessica up and you screamed,
Speaker 1: you sit there for hours, Yeah, make sure that you
Speaker 1: were not sitting near your friends, and then you make
Speaker 1: it a moment and honestly, I'll give it to him.
Speaker 1: That's what I remember about that night.
Speaker 2: It's my favorite part of the night. Also watching Jessica
Speaker 2: fully play it off. So while she was like literally
Speaker 2: on stage being like, I just love my book. My
Speaker 2: book is the reward that I love, Like.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and then don't you feel like after they
Speaker 1: were all doing that, because it was like four or
Speaker 1: five outbursts of that, I then was kind of like, well,
Speaker 1: I feel like, now you kind of have to speak
Speaker 1: to this. Yeah, and she did.
Speaker 2: It because in the audience was like kind of like
Speaker 2: and so let's talk about Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: Like okay, so clearly this is something that's like an issue,
Speaker 1: So like what is the t like does your million
Speaker 1: dollar company use these products?
Speaker 2: And the same way that you have to address to
Speaker 2: a celebrity that you love, that you know who they
Speaker 2: are ahead of time, I feel like they needed to
Speaker 2: address that they rerepew of people in the building because
Speaker 2: then when it created with a sense of unease where
Speaker 2: I felt like all of us were just like waiting
Speaker 2: for the net. We weren't even listening to the stories.
Speaker 2: We were like everyone nervous waiting for the next moment
Speaker 2: where it.
Speaker 1: Was yeah, I think we even did that bit like
Speaker 1: I think we did like yeah, no of us.
Speaker 2: They also, like the members, we had to go through
Speaker 2: a metal detector and put all of our stuff out
Speaker 2: to check. So I'm like, where did they put their
Speaker 2: signs exactly?
Speaker 1: I mean signs for years in my mind's I now
Speaker 1: it now looks like they fully had like a huge
Speaker 1: like plaster sign but.
Speaker 2: Maybe like paintball guns or like shooting the red like
Speaker 2: cur it.
Speaker 1: Was officially a chaotic atmosphere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I loved it. I love you, go back today,
Speaker 2: I go today.
Speaker 1: And I want it again. Speaking of chaotic atmospheres and
Speaker 1: doing it again, this is now the segment of the
Speaker 1: podcast that we do every single time. It's called I
Speaker 1: Don't Think So, Honey. It's our world famous segment where
Speaker 1: we take one minute to rant rave rail and more
Speaker 1: against something in culture that absolutely deserves the railing. We're
Speaker 1: not the only things that deserve railing, cause all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, I'm looking for my poll, seriously looking for
Speaker 1: a pole these days too, really genuine. It's actually been
Speaker 1: several months since I've had like just an honest to god.
Speaker 2: Pole penetrative sex. A fucked a long time, okay, and
Speaker 2: if not a pole, what.
Speaker 1: Six weeks maybe? Well, there was a little moment there
Speaker 1: where I was actually experiment because I'm kind of newly
Speaker 1: in my bottom era, Okay, So there was like a
Speaker 1: moment there where I had like an actual vibe bread
Speaker 1: that I was sticking up there, and it was really
Speaker 1: thrilling because I've never done that. I've never like, you know,
Speaker 1: We're on the street.
Speaker 2: Is proste play is in Baby.
Speaker 1: We're on the Street is it's actually a real coaching number.
Speaker 1: Nine We're on the Street is proste play is in
Speaker 1: Baby And so all of a sudden, there I am
Speaker 1: like sort of like really rocking my own ass, like
Speaker 1: while I was jacking.
Speaker 2: Off, rocking your whole world, the world.
Speaker 1: And I haven't done that in a while. Maybe I will.
Speaker 1: But also looking for a pole.
Speaker 2: And it was really funny about talking about it to
Speaker 2: be like I think I'm gonna do that when I
Speaker 2: get home, because it's like you're gonna go home and
Speaker 2: be like, oh, I mean this Bitdy talked about this,
Speaker 2: I should masturbate.
Speaker 1: Like it's like, oh yeah, I meant to put that
Speaker 1: thing in the mail. Oh yeah, I said I was
Speaker 1: going to being real quick myself. Anyways, transitioning to the segment,
Speaker 1: I don't think, so honey, I'm gonna go first, I'm nervous,
Speaker 1: and then Miss Benning is gonna absolutely rock the house. Okay,
Speaker 1: so this is my Matt Rogers. I don't think so honey,
Speaker 1: and my time starts now. I don't think so honey
Speaker 1: that you can't go to a concert anymore without wondering
Speaker 1: is the star on stage gonna get something fucking thrown
Speaker 1: at them.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Okay, first Bby Rexa, then it happened to it just
Speaker 1: happened to Kelsey Ballerini. It went down with a pink
Speaker 1: cause being mother's ashes are being thrown at her being
Speaker 1: hands in a bree cheese like everyone. I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: bring your phone and keep it in your goddamn pocket.
Speaker 1: I don't even think so, honey. People filming the concerts,
Speaker 1: I'm guilty of this, but just like if we can't
Speaker 1: be trusted to have anything honest, like, that's gonna ruin
Speaker 1: the concert experience for everyone. I have thirty seconds. So
Speaker 1: basically my thing is just like people stop. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it has anything to do with more than
Speaker 1: like you're trying to give them something. If you're trying
Speaker 1: to give Kelsey Ballerini a bracelet, I can send it
Speaker 1: to the fucking president of the fan club. Okay, don't
Speaker 1: be throwing things that hit her in the eye. You
Speaker 1: could seriously hurt her. I don't think so, honey. Like
Speaker 1: even as a viewer of the concerts, now, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: sit there. It's like a Jessica Simpson open book. I
Speaker 1: don't know what's gonna happen next, and that's one minute. Wow,
Speaker 1: I just can't with And it happened to someone else too.
Speaker 1: It was bb Rexa got like a fucking huge eye.
Speaker 2: Bruce because android it was like someone the guy laughed after.
Speaker 1: Yeah, then you know who. It was Ava Max at
Speaker 1: the Fonda. Someone rushed her and like she essentially got
Speaker 1: like slapped in the face because the fan got so excited.
Speaker 2: It's all of our like bubbling pop girls who are
Speaker 2: like they have their hits, but they're not like a
Speaker 2: dua where it's like.
Speaker 1: It's our bubbling unders.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like no one would dare to do those to
Speaker 2: our girls, and that's so evil.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what was fucked up was like there
Speaker 1: was this idea that like, oh, it's just fans getting
Speaker 1: too excited and like doing things giving give us so
Speaker 1: much kind and and then I was like no, actually no.
Speaker 1: And Kelsey Valerini actually posted some screenshots of people in
Speaker 1: her comments being like, that's what you get for going
Speaker 1: woke is targeted? I think so I believe. I mean
Speaker 1: people were commenting saying it and that even if those
Speaker 1: instances were not targeted, even if it was a stupid
Speaker 1: fan like being like, let me throw this bracelet on
Speaker 1: stage because I want her to have it. It gives
Speaker 1: people the idea, yea to throw something.
Speaker 2: I'm nervous for Aaron Morris and like they're going after
Speaker 2: the country girls and she is the kissed of them all.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, it's it's just like getting scarier and scarier,
Speaker 1: especially when you see it happened to four of the girls.
Speaker 1: That is a lot like that's crazy, and then the
Speaker 1: mother's ashes of it all.
Speaker 2: It's like Dave and I remember day days after the
Speaker 2: bb rex A throwing thing was the clip of when
Speaker 2: someone came out in front of her to their mom.
Speaker 2: And what's crazy about that clip is like he says like,
Speaker 2: I'm going to do this in front of you, and
Speaker 2: she literally goes, what are you going to do in
Speaker 2: front of me?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Fear, Yeah, she's scared now.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Because also it's like me too. That could have
Speaker 1: been anything.
Speaker 2: If a gay person ever says I'm going to do
Speaker 2: this in front of you, I'm running, I'm out of here,
Speaker 2: I'm taking off my leg something I've been fooled before.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this in front of you could mean
Speaker 1: a lot of things. Yeah, Also, it's just like, as
Speaker 1: someone who I guarantee there's people out there that want
Speaker 1: to throw things at me.
Speaker 2: It makes me nerv I would throw fun things at you.
Speaker 1: Listen, throw a Roso Donald coushe ball at me.
Speaker 2: Anytime I was right there in your brain, you were
Speaker 2: really ready to say that.
Speaker 1: I thought of what's soft and the first thing that
Speaker 1: jumped out in my fucking little gay brain was Roseod.
Speaker 2: We got a lot of weird day, just like on
Speaker 2: the tip of your tongue, ready to go.
Speaker 1: I think that's what makes me a dynamic podcast host. Okay,
Speaker 1: well listen, okay, if you think that's true. And I
Speaker 1: really do hope that everyone still remained listening to this podcast,
Speaker 1: because it's been a thrilling one.
Speaker 2: Dollie's still listening, I know that much. I think Dolly
Speaker 2: he almost clicked out when we started to almost read
Speaker 2: her for Dollywood, but we actually.
Speaker 1: Think they're so funny. I love my gay fans. And
Speaker 1: that was my Dolly parton which is, as you just
Speaker 1: evidenced by my impression, will not be my snatch game.
Speaker 2: We'll still on the other side of snatch game. Not
Speaker 2: to compliment you too much for that. Wait, actually I
Speaker 2: have to pause for one second. Was the lip sync
Speaker 2: your idea or did that get suggested to y'all?
Speaker 1: No, so what happens is, oh, you mean the lips
Speaker 1: think that we did during this time? Yes. No, they
Speaker 1: were like, and we think it will be funny if
Speaker 1: you guys did the red you wrote you lip sync
Speaker 1: the entire Roxy Andrews verse. So right, we did the
Speaker 1: entire Roxy Andrews verse and the chorus, and they actually
Speaker 1: only showed the chorus, which to me was like sort
Speaker 1: of the antithis of why I wanted to do it,
Speaker 1: because I was like, what's so funny is that we're
Speaker 1: doing the verse? And I was so happy that any
Speaker 1: of that made in there at all. But we actually
Speaker 1: gave and had choreo for the entire Roxy Andrews verse
Speaker 1: and that's what was left on the cutting rod. How
Speaker 1: long did that? It was their idea?
Speaker 2: How long did they give you to prep this?
Speaker 1: We did it once? Wow, we got it in one take.
Speaker 1: But they told her girls, because you know they shop infessional. Yes,
Speaker 1: but they gave us all day and I'm like dying,
Speaker 1: Like truly, my stomach is die ying. And then we
Speaker 1: went out there and we did turn it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the.
Speaker 2: Sort of thing I feel right now doing I don't
Speaker 2: think so, honey, like I'm genuinely shaking. I'm scared.
Speaker 1: Don't be scared, because you're made for this, and I
Speaker 1: made I made for this in a macro sense, and
Speaker 1: made from this in a micro sense. You were made
Speaker 1: for this.
Speaker 2: I do have tiger Bomb in my bag, so if
Speaker 2: I start panicking and I grab it, just not ites
Speaker 2: because I've lated my whole life for this moment.
Speaker 1: Anyway, this is miss manis. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: Your time starts now.
Speaker 2: I don't think so honey. Social media changing and a
Speaker 2: Now I understand we've complained for years about the chronological changes,
Speaker 2: the ad changes. I don't give a fuck. Show me
Speaker 2: the ads. Let me see Porsche's wardrobe from the White Lotus. Come,
Speaker 2: I don't care. What I don't like is that we're
Speaker 2: changing limits. We're adding word counts. Elon musk you siss sissy,
Speaker 2: and I am saying that it's a slur in your case.
Speaker 2: I cannot handle it. I miss the days when every
Speaker 2: social media platform had its own designated thing. I'm tired
Speaker 2: of doing twinner on Instagram. I am tired of doing
Speaker 2: YouTube clips TikTok's rails. I'm sick of it. I'm a
Speaker 2: child of the Internet and I have grown up. Yes,
Speaker 2: I am tired. And you can also.
Speaker 1: Follow me on Instagram and Twitter and TikTok. Fifteen seconds
Speaker 1: has become a plug miss Bette and on TikTok am
Speaker 1: i hate Miss Bennet because somebody took Miss Betty and
Speaker 1: I'm sail that too. Five seconds. I got at that's
Speaker 1: one minute. Oh my god. See the thing is I
Speaker 1: love when you started an eighth and it goes to
Speaker 1: a fifteen and that's levels.
Speaker 2: And the best part about this is I am overheating
Speaker 2: and I'm in the middle of doing like vocal feminization,
Speaker 2: and that undid everything that I've worked on.
Speaker 1: I'm really sorry.
Speaker 2: That's okay, listen, but the thing is over. We don't
Speaker 2: have to take care of towards people hurt.
Speaker 1: Out someone brought up online exactly. It's like back to them,
Speaker 1: We're back in the show.
Speaker 2: I don't think Sony more than two genders like me
Speaker 2: to have that take.
Speaker 1: On the binary is alive. Suddenly, Oh my god. No.
Speaker 1: Someone said the other day they were like, can you
Speaker 1: imagine the election like with all these fucking rules in place,
Speaker 1: like can you imagine like when like we actually need
Speaker 1: to be able to share? Because it's like, first of all,
Speaker 1: can I just say, how about this as an idea
Speaker 1: for a social media website, Why don't you put someone
Speaker 1: in charge who has even one iota of what it
Speaker 1: means to have any social grace at all? This is
Speaker 1: very clearly someone yeah, deeply without any social skills at all.
Speaker 2: Give brettman Rock ownership of Twitter, period. And that's what
Speaker 2: I've always said.
Speaker 1: You've always been saying that you can be kidding. I
Speaker 1: didn't know about to say it on the pod, but
Speaker 1: I'm here to say it now. I mean this, we'd
Speaker 1: be in better hands. It's just like this is so
Speaker 1: poorly thought out, and the way that he kept being like,
Speaker 1: actually it's eight thousand that you can see, Actually it's ten.
Speaker 1: It's like, crazy, bitch, like ask someone smarter than you,
Speaker 1: and like I get it.
Speaker 2: They want people to pay for the verification, but like, oh,
Speaker 2: we're not paying for the verification.
Speaker 1: How long do you think it has I don't know.
Speaker 2: I feel here's the thing. Twitter used to always be
Speaker 2: my favorite, and I remember it was always on the
Speaker 2: brink of like going away, and I feel like now
Speaker 2: more than ever, it feels like it is truly minutes
Speaker 2: away from it, which breaks my heart because I love
Speaker 2: Twitter and I miss good old Twitter.
Speaker 1: You know, It's like when Twitter was a fun place,
Speaker 1: I really did like it. Then Twitter became an un
Speaker 1: fun place for all the you know reasons, which is
Speaker 1: just like, you know, you can't go on there without
Speaker 1: like someone being negative immediately. Everything nothing translates, like you know,
Speaker 1: that's almost like why I don't have the personal Twitter anymore.
Speaker 1: I just use the lost coach Twitter. I feel like
Speaker 1: I get my like opinions and things across, like on
Speaker 1: this podcast, and you can literally hear a human voice
Speaker 1: like hint at a joke or like, you know, do
Speaker 1: say whatever the fuck or like give some gray area
Speaker 1: that's not limited to characters. But it's like Twitter could
Speaker 1: be such a fun, little stupid place, and it's so
Speaker 1: toxic and so dark, and now with these limitations, it's
Speaker 1: actually gonna make it even harder to communicate, yeah, because
Speaker 1: it's just gonna take context away, it's gonna take expanse away.
Speaker 1: It's gonna like literally limit the amount of intake we
Speaker 1: can have, which should be the antithesis of something like
Speaker 1: a social media website where like everyone can get their
Speaker 1: voice across. And that's why it's good.
Speaker 2: It used to be the first thing that I checked
Speaker 2: in the morning. I would literally go to Twitter and
Speaker 2: be like, Okay, what's happening, what's new, what's right going
Speaker 2: on in the world. And now I'm like, you can't
Speaker 2: trust it for that. And also, and this is where
Speaker 2: I start to empathize with like a little bit of
Speaker 2: the Boomer idea of like why don't things have to change?
Speaker 2: But yeah, truly, like I feel like the golden era
Speaker 2: of social media was when we were able to live
Speaker 2: tweet things. Yeah, but that's like been a dead concept
Speaker 2: for so long. Yeah, because that's not how things appear
Speaker 2: in the algorithm. Yeah, it's like I could tweet it
Speaker 2: be completely out of order. And then I also feel
Speaker 2: like it was so fun because you used to be
Speaker 2: able to like access the famous people that you liked,
Speaker 2: or if you're watching a reality TV show that you
Speaker 2: could tweet Tyra Banks and she would respond. And now
Speaker 2: it's like that's not happening. So then it's like, what
Speaker 2: is this for now?
Speaker 1: The way that I've moved over to Instagram like exclusively
Speaker 1: has been pretty wild because there's also the flaws of Instagram,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There's the thing of like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's like constantly like a visual parade of like the
Speaker 1: perfected versions of everyone, like no one's actually being real
Speaker 1: like it. It's also not as fun as it used
Speaker 1: to be anymore. And then there comes this thing of
Speaker 1: like when you do get verified in a republic figure,
Speaker 1: there's like all these other things that go into that,
Speaker 1: and like et cetera, blah blah blah. You feel like
Speaker 1: heady about it. But at least I feel like if
Speaker 1: I want to find what someone is doing or saying,
Speaker 1: I know how to do it right. Where it's like
Speaker 1: Twitter just feels like a jumbled mess. It has the
Speaker 1: same like people that you don't even follow your snea,
Speaker 1: which is what I hate.
Speaker 2: It has the same interface ideas like scruff have you
Speaker 2: ever heard.
Speaker 1: I'm unfortunately like I've never did my tone to scruff.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of only exclusively been a grinder girling.
Speaker 2: I've downloaded both before to try them both, and I
Speaker 2: just tried them both, like I just trying, I.
Speaker 1: Try it all. I just tried to trysexual. Yeah, I'll.
Speaker 2: Es, oh my god, when you're sucking is ball, I know.
Speaker 2: And the thing about Scruff that always blew my mind,
Speaker 2: because that's what we're talking about now, is it has
Speaker 2: like really I think a better selection of men in
Speaker 2: your singles in your area, but the interface is absolutely batshit.
Speaker 2: And that's how Twitter is becoming. Twitter is the Scruff
Speaker 2: to Instagram's grinder. And if there were one SoundBite that
Speaker 2: I hope you get from this, I hope it's well, that's.
Speaker 1: Going to be People magazine, that's going to be the poll. Hello.
Speaker 1: Like last week we did that episode with Kelly and
Speaker 1: what the media chose to pull was Kelly Clarkson opens
Speaker 1: up about antidepressant use. Love that, and for you, it's
Speaker 1: going to be that I Scruff is the Instagram to
Speaker 1: grinder Twitter.
Speaker 2: I'm so brave for coming out and saying that.
Speaker 1: You've been brave this whole time. And I want to
Speaker 1: just really commend you, and I want to say I
Speaker 1: appreciate you and adore you for showing up in your
Speaker 1: brave truth on lost Culturista to speak real truths to
Speaker 1: power about the fucking pop culture landscape, about app landscape.
Speaker 2: I do love that I've come on here and said
Speaker 2: nothing about anything to do with transitioning, but said everything
Speaker 2: about being a Top Model fan.
Speaker 1: Being on the app, that's last coach, baby, that is listen,
Speaker 1: We're here to be honest.
Speaker 2: All of those things point to transitioning. I'm here to
Speaker 2: tell you right now that if you watch Top Model
Speaker 2: as a kid and want to be one of the girls,
Speaker 2: your day is coming.
Speaker 1: Well, just to touch on that, I was so proud
Speaker 1: of you about the Time magazine thing and you that
Speaker 1: was beautiful and we're talking about you know, representation and
Speaker 1: like throwing it all the way back to you know,
Speaker 1: the glee of it all, and I would say, like,
Speaker 1: what a beautiful and what a lovely evolving world we
Speaker 1: are in that the youth and the kids can watch
Speaker 1: Glamorous and see you. You're such a star. I'm so
Speaker 1: proud of you, and I'm so proud to know you.
Speaker 1: I'm so proud to be a part of the project
Speaker 1: that has you as the star of it. Glamorous is
Speaker 1: streaming now on Netflix. You can watch all the episodes.
Speaker 1: Listen to the ep Swelter because we didn't get into it.
Speaker 1: But our girl was also a recording artist, and I'm
Speaker 1: also gagged that you wrote and produce this yourself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's amazing, Thank you so much, And I'm just like
Speaker 1: so blown away by you and you have to come back.
Speaker 1: But when Bowen is back, I want us all three
Speaker 1: to raw Rob because like you're.
Speaker 2: And I'm building this story that me and Bowe have
Speaker 2: beef and that's why he's not here today exactly. I
Speaker 2: can't wait to like further develop that well.
Speaker 1: As a result of the beef, Bowe needed to take
Speaker 1: a extended hiatus from the.
Speaker 2: Podcast, and I want to say that I'm also just
Speaker 2: so busy flying, shooting Wicked and shooting SNL and coming
Speaker 2: to LA to do my podcast. Like I totally sympathize,
Speaker 2: and it's hard when you're this books like me and Bone.
Speaker 1: Blessings to all and miss Benny's in the moment, And
Speaker 1: we do end every episode with a song was flying
Speaker 1: first Class, up in sky, drinking sapin living life in
Speaker 1: the first line. I don't know what vocal choice this is,
Speaker 1: but I won't change. Bob Glamour is Ooh the flowersy
Speaker 1: Flower said, if you want to hear that song listening
Speaker 1: to Fergie's album The Duchess or go on the roller coaster, Hollywood, Ripride,
Speaker 1: Rocket and Universal Studios Florida, where you're allowed to choose
Speaker 1: a song as you write on the roller coaster, and
Speaker 1: that is one of the options. Hell yeah, hell yeah.
Speaker 1: Bye