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Speaker 1: the readers, the kitties, the publicist, the finalists, because we

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Speaker 1: Juliana Margolise, Okay, star actress. I'm gonna be honest, I

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Speaker 2: like Nsfia rab Bob and was like so ready, and

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00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,240
Speaker 2: then literally you showed up, Like how would you describe

435
00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:22,840
Speaker 2: what you were in.

436
00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,280
Speaker 1: The eighth pisode. Here's what I would describe my aesthetic, ays,

437
00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,680
Speaker 1: and I want to say my drag aesthetic is often

438
00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:32,040
Speaker 1: this okay late nineties white girl R and B singer.

439
00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,840
Speaker 2: That is exactly what I wanted to say, But I

440
00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,440
Speaker 2: wanted you to it like owed.

441
00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,360
Speaker 1: Up to it like Pink when she first came out. Literally,

442
00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:43,000
Speaker 1: some girls got they like, God, there you go.

443
00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,680
Speaker 2: That was exactly what you gave. You also had that

444
00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:48,879
Speaker 2: swish to your walk the whole way through.

445
00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,359
Speaker 1: It was giving Houcci Mama. I didn't even know that it.

446
00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,399
Speaker 2: Was in the options when they showed us all the

447
00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,760
Speaker 2: wigs that was not there. I believe you brought that well.

448
00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:58,880
Speaker 2: First of all, I have like history with that kind

449
00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,359
Speaker 2: of wig. That's of like swoopy bang is something that

450
00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,080
Speaker 2: I gravitate to, that like feathery like y.

451
00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny because like I don't know, like growing up,

452
00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,680
Speaker 1: when you picture yourself in your giche, you know what

453
00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:12,720
Speaker 1: I mean, when you see in your mind's eye the

454
00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:16,320
Speaker 1: woman you are right Like I always thought, Oh, I'll

455
00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:20,680
Speaker 1: have really long blonde hair like Sharon Clueless, you know

456
00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,080
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like that's my essence, like you know,

457
00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,920
Speaker 1: popular girl. Meanwhile, you then get the opportunity to literally

458
00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,400
Speaker 1: pick and I'm like, I think I'm white girl late

459
00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,400
Speaker 1: nineties R and B singer with this swoopy bang.

460
00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:36,320
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you're like presented with your like Pokemon starter Pokemon.

461
00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,520
Speaker 2: You're like, I guess I never thought of this until

462
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,399
Speaker 2: this moment, because now that it's in front of me,

463
00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:41,280
Speaker 2: nothing is clear.

464
00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,919
Speaker 1: I didn't know I was charm Million, Yeah, until I

465
00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,040
Speaker 1: had the option to pick tre Million's heels.

466
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Speaker 2: The only people on that lineup that I knew were

467
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 2: like had a vision from the beginning of their life.

468
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,280
Speaker 2: Was Zane wearing the like surgy red curly hair, and

469
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:59,280
Speaker 2: then Michael si Rosen wearing his like Madam Blueberry bob.

470
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Speaker 2: But by the way, that's not scripted that he was

471
00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,720
Speaker 2: supposed to be like a secretary. He in the fitting

472
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:05,439
Speaker 2: was like you have a little pair of glasses and

473
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:06,640
Speaker 2: his tiny little blouse.

474
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,399
Speaker 1: It's so funny that he would pick that, but he

475
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,679
Speaker 1: served it up. Shure, Well, first of all, the gag

476
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 1: is watching Michael Sue Rosen dance.

477
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Speaker 2: The scariest moment of filming for me the entire five

478
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,440
Speaker 2: months we filmed was the two seconds we did choreo together.

479
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,120
Speaker 2: And by that I mean we grabbed each other's arms

480
00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,639
Speaker 2: and pooled each other back and he literally when I

481
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 2: was doing that, he like came over and like pushed

482
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 2: my shoulders and like twisted my body and was like

483
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 2: it was like Suspiria.

484
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Speaker 1: He was like breaking my bones to get into the

485
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Speaker 1: desision and I couldn't do it. I was like, you've

486
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 1: been on Broadway.

487
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 2: I did like a church play when I was a kid,

488
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:39,919
Speaker 2: where I wore like a little robe and was like,

489
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:40,800
Speaker 2: do not be afraid.

490
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Speaker 1: So Michael Sue Rosen, iconically Chino in the West Side

491
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 1: Story revival on Broadway, was twisting you into the Spi

492
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 1: Pretzel doing choreo when you were like, bitch, yeah, this

493
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:51,960
Speaker 1: is not the way she dances.

494
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 2: Well, I was also so freaked out because in that episode,

495
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,160
Speaker 2: my character Marco was supposed to win this like lip

496
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,959
Speaker 2: sync battle. But then like everyone else in the night,

497
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 2: all of y'all like have done musical theater, like this

498
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 2: is what you do girl, I'm the only one who hadn't.

499
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 2: So I literally was like, oh my god, I have

500
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,880
Speaker 2: to actually like somehow turn this out. And they got

501
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 2: me together. I'm proud of it.

502
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:13,919
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, here's what I'll say. There was

503
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 1: no question that you won on set being there, you

504
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 1: won for real. You had a close competition for Michael

505
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,959
Speaker 1: Seuer Rosen, who was doing like leaps and twirls and

506
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 1: way unchoreographed. He added those he's amazing. Yeah, I really do. Yeah.

507
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:31,919
Speaker 2: The problem is that I am so in love with

508
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:33,880
Speaker 2: him that, like when anyone else partakes in the love,

509
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, fuck god.

510
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, get away, like he's mine. He's one of those Yeah,

511
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 1: he's you know what I always say about people who

512
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,160
Speaker 1: like you ever meet someone and you say like, oh,

513
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 1: that person's great, like they're kind of cool, and then

514
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 1: someone goes, oh, yeah, they tend to have that effect

515
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 1: on people bitter. I'm always like, put those people in jail.

516
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 1: I love that though, Like I love that.

517
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Speaker 2: It's the same vibe to me as people who are like,

518
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 2: oh my god, I just meant this person they're so nice,

519
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 2: and they're like, oh my god, I've literally known them forever. Yeah,

520
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, it's so cool. What do you

521
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 2: know me share? They were like, literally, it's so.

522
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 1: Long ever, it's such a long story, and like there's

523
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 1: so much history in the way they're saying it.

524
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 2: And I can't even like say, like too much. Yeah,

525
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 2: And the next time you see them together, that person

526
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 2: like introduces themselves to them.

527
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was like, if you're someone who walks around

528
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,719
Speaker 1: in the world with the knowledge that you, quote unquote

529
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 1: have that effect on people, okay, you have to know

530
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 1: that and understand you might be having people fall in

531
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: love with you left and right. Yeah. And then meanwhile

532
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 1: the show comes out and what's happening in the gay

533
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,120
Speaker 1: group chat that gets our starting to say I love

534
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 1: that Michael Sue Rosen, and you do have that thing

535
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 1: of like, well, back off, I do.

536
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 2: And it's also that I didn't. Yeah, the thing is

537
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 2: that I am exactly that person with Michael particularly. And

538
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 2: what's crazy is we didn't chemistry read for the show,

539
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,120
Speaker 2: like really we were supposed to chemistry read, but things

540
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 2: were moving fast and they were so confident with Michael

541
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:49,959
Speaker 2: that they were like, you're gonna have great chemistry.

542
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 1: And I was like, he's so cool and he's so good.

543
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 2: And then I was filming one day, like at the

544
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 2: very beginning of the show, and I had like a

545
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,400
Speaker 2: couple hours to like go home, which like never happens,

546
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 2: and so I took that opportunity and he met me

547
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 2: for coffee, and I remember the whole time I was

548
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 2: talking to him, I was like, oh, no, I'm going

549
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 2: to actually.

550
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: Fall in love with you. I don't know. That's a thing.

551
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 2: It was like a big fear of mine in it.

552
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 2: It happened, and I am still in love with him.

553
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 2: If he's out there right now, Michael just knowing, and he.

554
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,360
Speaker 1: Is out there, I know he's one of those actresses

555
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: that's going to be listening. Okay, ready Michael Sudro's and

556
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,360
Speaker 1: star actress. I'm like, oh my god, he would want

557
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,360
Speaker 1: to be called an actress. He would, and we'll call

558
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:23,959
Speaker 1: you an actress.

559
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 2: I kind of wanted to be by to call the

560
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:26,479
Speaker 2: star because I know he would call you as soon

561
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 2: as he heard this and'd be like, what the fuck

562
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 2: was that about? No, of course, I mean we have

563
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 2: a scene. We have so many scenes in the show

564
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 2: where where like supposed to be like really acting, and

565
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,199
Speaker 2: we did one where we were supposed to be like

566
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 2: screaming at each other. And I remember after the first take,

567
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 2: I was like, oh shit, you're actually like good. I

568
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 2: was like, don't do that.

569
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 1: How dare you don't be all being all good?

570
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 2: I was like, not you earnestly acting right now? Like

571
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 2: grow up.

572
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: Younestly acting in the show. That's what we're paid to do.

573
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 2: No, are you being hired to act trying to do it?

574
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 1: I thought we were sort of doing this with a

575
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 1: wink in and us. Yeah.

576
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 2: I had this bit on set where after like ten

577
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 2: takes in multiple cover I would look at him and

578
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 2: be like, guys, we should start doing we should do good.

579
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 2: We should do a good take you guys and I

580
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 2: see a good take, and I look at the crew

581
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 2: and I would just be like, I'm gonna do a

582
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 2: good one. Is really I wasn't. I also had this

583
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 2: really fun bit that kind of bit me in the

584
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 2: ass later, which is before every take with Michael and

585
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 2: with a lot of the actors, but mainly Michael, I

586
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 2: would like, as they're being like sound speeding and hammer speeding,

587
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 2: I would literally look at me and be like, I

588
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 2: think you have something on you and actually not just

589
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 2: take you after Right before I take, I'd be like, Michael,

590
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 2: I'm I'm just like I have to get off my chest.

591
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 2: I'm really upset that you said this. Well, I'll tell

592
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 2: you after this, or I'll be like, hey, Jordan had

593
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 2: a note for you. He didn't give it to you.

594
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,719
Speaker 1: He'll probably come up after maybe after your coverage.

595
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 2: And then Karma got it's kiss for me because then

596
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 2: one time I was filming with Kim and we had

597
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 2: our like comfort shoes because if our feet weren't in it,

598
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 2: we were like, why not wear crocs and shit, And

599
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 2: so I remember I was wearing like these platform purple

600
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 2: crocs with like butterfly little like whether those like sticker things.

601
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: Are those little bit embellishers.

602
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 2: Forget what they're called. They have a funny, quirky cut, like.

603
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 1: They're going POGs or something. What are those that called?

604
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 2: Are those?

605
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: I just turned to my engineer dog and likes to

606
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: gibbs there gibbing, Doug, would you have known what a

607
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: gibbet was in a croc show? Absolutely not?

608
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 2: Okakay, well then the listener's at home you can imagine.

609
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,479
Speaker 2: But anyway, so Kim, right before I take where we're

610
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: supposed to have like this inspirational speech with each other,

611
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 2: she just like looked down at my feet, saw the

612
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 2: crocs and laughed and then it was like action and

613
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 2: I was like, just laughed at my laughed at She

614
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 2: like did like a full like take of my body,

615
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 2: saw my feet and laughed, and I was like, I

616
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 2: think I get to go to gay Heaven now.

617
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 1: I think that's what this moment means. Oh my god,

618
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 1: were you gagged when you found out that Glamorous was

619
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: gonna premiere the same day as just like that? And

620
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: do you think it was planned?

621
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm speaking from the place of no authority,

622
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 2: like no one communicated with me. I've dodo this to

623
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,239
Speaker 2: be fact. I do believe it is true. I mean,

624
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 2: come on, because why, I mean, I can't imagine anyone

625
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 2: in the planning of that was like, we had no

626
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 2: can you imagine when I will say, I know that

627
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 2: we were The show was supposed to come out like

628
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: the end of May, beginning of June, and then something happened,

629
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 2: and I remember hearing that it was getting moved, and

630
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 2: then it got announced the same week and it was

631
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 2: gonna be the same day.

632
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: So that to me feels like they heard I have

633
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 1: to and we're like because also it's like sort of

634
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 1: rich to have her out there doing press at the

635
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: same time as all the Sex and the City people,

636
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: and also the announcement that she's going to be back

637
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: on the show.

638
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 2: Which none of us knew about. You didn't know, no,

639
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 2: I mean, it was truly the experience of watching all

640
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 2: that unfold was completely authentic to me. Like I was

641
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: so gagged and so stunned, and I was doing press

642
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 2: and they were being like, we're so excited that the

643
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 2: secret was finally out. I was like, I didn't know.

644
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: You think.

645
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 2: Kim was calling me being like, I've got an idea,

646
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 2: I'm going back, Like I.

647
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 1: Don't think I wasn't running it by you.

648
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, she didn't get the call from HBO, call Pat

649
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 2: Fields and then me like it wasn't that speaking.

650
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: Of So this is the bit that I have about

651
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: I'm just like that on the show. Okay'm ready. So

652
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 1: the first season just like that, And let me just say,

653
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: massive fan of Sex and the City as we all are.

654
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: And then and just like that happens last season and

655
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: there was like the chay of it all and the

656
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: sort of you know, new Sex and the City two

657
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: point zero as it were, to the point where it's

658
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: not even really Sex and the City anymore, it fully is,

659
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: And just like that, it's really more of an hour

660
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: long drama with these characters and more. My bit was

661
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: that the first season was written by the third graders.

662
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is that it's as

663
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: if this was the scenario a teacher came into class

664
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 1: and said to a group of third graders, Okay, everyone, today,

665
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna be writing an episode of TV and here

666
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: are the characters, and whatever you do by the end

667
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: of the day is what's gonna go on. And here

668
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: are the rules you have to do an episode of

669
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: Sex and the City. Now I know you guys are

670
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: probably a little little for that. Maybe not no, but

671
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: here's what it is. And they got all the information

672
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: and by the end of the day as a group

673
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: wrote an episode of television and that is what we

674
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: see on screen. And I loved that about it.

675
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. I would not hear any criticism about that first season.

676
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: No, no.

677
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,479
Speaker 2: I literally was like, I respect your decision to have

678
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: that opinion. But I was like, I will be tuning

679
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 2: in every single.

680
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: And let me say with energy, I put it on

681
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: every week and I was like, thank God, my show

682
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: is on. It's not Sex in the City. I've left

683
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: it behind. We are in and just like that now

684
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: where we are dealing with Miranda screaming from the depths

685
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: of the bottom of her stomach as she orgasms. Because

686
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: Jay is the best finger blaster in the world. They

687
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: are the best at what they do. They could teach

688
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: a college course and how to finger and pleasure a woman. Yeah,

689
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: and I'm here and I'm on board. I was acclimating

690
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: to the new characters. I kind of liked the drama

691
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: with BIG's death and Carrie's grieving. I thought sarahj Justsica

692
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: turned it this season. Mama Honey, girl, there's nothing happening.

693
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: My mind is just blown how much Carrie's not in it.

694
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: That's like truly the number one thing that's blowing my mind,

695
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 2: Like I really when I watch it at home, like

696
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: the number one thing that we say is just like

697
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 2: where is Carrie during all of this?

698
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: Like she's so cut off from the rest of everyone,

699
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: I guess, and this is the problem. I think, like

700
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: just like with the background and TV writing that I have,

701
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: and like, just like from someone who watches and tries

702
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: to enjoy a lot and like observe a lot, I

703
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,719
Speaker 1: think what's happening is there's just too many fucking characters.

704
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 2: There's so many characters. I love that everyone's getting to

705
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: have their storylines. Like if I was on the show,

706
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 2: I would be so thrilled to have like my own substory,

707
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 2: but like watching it, I'm just like, oh my gosh,

708
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 2: there's so there's like minutes that go by where we

709
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 2: never see the original three girls, and it's like we

710
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: want to see the girl.

711
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know who's really suffering is Charlotte. Poor Charlotte,

712
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: Like she doesn't have a storyline.

713
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 2: Which I don't know how you feel about the original

714
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 2: sex and the City. But I feel like when I

715
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 2: first watched it and when people would talk about it,

716
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 2: I feel like Charlotte never got enough props for like

717
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 2: how much he carried the comedy in the show course,

718
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: and then I rewatched it before I filmed Glamorous. I

719
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 2: literally was like Charlotte's kind of like comedic powerhouse character

720
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 2: of this show. Like she a lot of the time,

721
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: like everyone has like earnest storylines, and then she's doing

722
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: like physical bits and like face bits and like, so

723
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 2: I love the character of Charlotte. So watching the show,

724
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, give me Charlotte.

725
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I guess like for me, it's like when

726
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: you're watching a sitcom like Sex and the City, It's

727
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: like it actually breaks down pretty mathematically, like you have

728
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: Carrie is gonna carry the a story, so she's gonna

729
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: drive the narrative, and then really the second character that

730
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: gets that's really like more of the second lead like

731
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: in terms of like getting the dramatic aft is Miranda,

732
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: So like she'll encompass a lot of those dramatic themes

733
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: and that's why you see her continue to get a

734
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: lot in like an hour long drama version of this show,

735
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: because we're used to seeing that character in three dimensionality,

736
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Whereas like Samantha and Charlotte

737
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: were sort of two sides of this coin where it

738
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: was like we're living in prude, yuppie world and then

739
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: we're living in like horror like you know, superhero professional world,

740
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: and like those are two different sides of Carrie's personality

741
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: that tug of war. So without the Samantha, it's hard

742
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: to really enjoy Charlotte. And when there's so many new

743
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: characters coming out without a defined thing, it just feels

744
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: like we're living in the sea of people. So we

745
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: have Carrie doing what she's doing, Miranda doing what she's doing,

746
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: and then the rest of them sort of occupying the

747
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: bottom and it's like none of them are served by it.

748
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 2: I really think the show like not even adjusting any

749
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: of the storylines. I know people have so many thoughts

750
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 2: on like how the character stories are actually going about,

751
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 2: like just structurally speaking. The two things that I think

752
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: would make the show have like the most magic possible

753
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 2: that I'm like I was counting on for season two.

754
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: I hope if season three comes around that they will

755
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: do this. But like the first is that I think

756
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: there needs to be because Sex and the City this

757
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: so well was a thematic thing every episode, so like, yes,

758
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 2: if the topic was being the one, then it's like

759
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 2: everyone needs to have their own story pertaining to that.

760
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 2: And I feel like the new season, like there's sometimes

761
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 2: an episode where I'm like, I don't know what it's about,

762
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: what it's like, what the end of the results of that.

763
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 2: I enjoy it and I'm like having fun watching it,

764
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: but I'm like, I don't know what the intention of

765
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: this episode was and the other thing, and I know

766
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 2: that they intentionally don't want to do this because of

767
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 2: the fact that they want to make it a new show.

768
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 2: I want it be like I'm in a writer's remote.

769
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 2: I'm like pitching. I'm like this would you Michel Patrick?

770
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: But this is part of being a queer person watching

771
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: the show is it's like we do have ownership.

772
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 2: I'm doing more press for and just like that that

773
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 2: I'm doing for Glamorous if I being odists because I'm like, well,

774
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: we know.

775
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: The two feed each other famously. They accept, but they're

776
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: absolutely obsessed with and I said.

777
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 2: If they want they love a transor non binary actor

778
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 2: on and just like that, if they want someone, I

779
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,719
Speaker 2: will come in, I will move mountains, I will do anything.

780
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: Did you believe Marcomhea exists in the same world of

781
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: and just like that? Do you think it's the same universe?

782
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: I do? I mean I find it that way. Yeah.

783
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 2: I mean, in the original versions of the script there

784
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 2: were sex and the City references, which, like obviously with

785
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 2: Kim being attached, kind of had to be moved around,

786
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 2: I would imagine, because it would have been like listen,

787
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 2: where can be fun show? But there's something really weird

788
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 2: about the idea of Kim saying sex and the City

789
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 2: as a different character, like referring to the show Tod. Yeah,

790
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 2: but I mean, I well, I just got like.

791
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: Chills thinking about it. I don't like it. I gotta

792
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: love it, though maybe I do love it. Maybe that's

793
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 1: why I got chills. It's gonna be like a multiverse thing.

794
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: Kim Krall, she did like everything everywhere, all at once. Yeah,

795
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: that's one way I'm still open to the multiverse.

796
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's like there's three multiverses. I'm seeing I'm

797
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 2: seeing sex in the city, I'm seeing glamorous, and I'm

798
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 2: seeing I'm Kim Katrall scouting that specific video is its

799
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 2: own universe. When that Kim katrall in that video leaves

800
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 2: that scatting world, it's a different COVID never happened there.

801
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god, a world where Kim Katrol, actual Kim Katrol,

802
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: Madeline and Samantha Jones were all in the room together.

803
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: I want the Hollywood Report, a round table.

804
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 2: I will pay for that. I will produce that.

805
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: She can make it happen. Yeah, but yeah, So basically,

806
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: like I'm watching the show and I just want to

807
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 1: say something, like something really struck me. So I'm watching

808
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: it just like that. And of course I could go

809
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: in now on like the Chay of it all. Like

810
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: it's just so the Chae Miranda relationship is so not

811
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: fun to watch. It's weird. It's weird.

812
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 2: I want to love it because on paper, I'm like

813
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 2: that's fine.

814
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, But like the thing is, like I think

815
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,959
Speaker 1: that what they've done with Chay that I don't think

816
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: they intended to do is Chay is so unlikable. I

817
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: don't like Chree.

818
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: It's got to be the writing there, because there's moments

819
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 2: where I'm like, I like see like a flash of

820
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: what the point is. Yeah, but then they have moments

821
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 2: where like if there's conflict between Miranda and Chay, I

822
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 2: just like don't believe that anyone would respond in an

823
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 2: argument in that way exactly, And so like I never

824
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: know what. Like in the first season, I feel like

825
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 2: we're gonna talk about it. I just like that this

826
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 2: whole pot I know. Literally, I'm so happy to do that. Literally,

827
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 2: I'm totally okay to never talk about anything that I do.

828
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 2: But to me, like the first season, Chay was very

829
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 2: like fuck boy, just like, yeah, all my cards are

830
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 2: on the table, and I liked that. I was like, okay, cool,

831
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 2: We're seeing Miranda like pursue this like never ending like

832
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 2: pursuit or whatever. But then in season two now it

833
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 2: feels like Chay is like also like in pursuit of

834
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 2: something that they can't get. So like it's just weird

835
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 2: thing where I'm like, you guys on paper should just

836
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 2: be happy, yeah, but for some reason something is not happening.

837
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: I think that what's happening is they are trying to

838
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,479
Speaker 1: make Chay one of the main characters of the show.

839
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: Like we're seeing Chay get their own scenes like in

840
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: the dressing room where there's a concern about Chay's weight

841
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: from a producer things like that.

842
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 2: That's pretty serious, right.

843
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 1: I think what the show is losing is the fact

844
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: that like we have to stay with the main character.

845
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 2: We stay with the girls, and like stay everyone else

846
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: can be a part of it, but like you have

847
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 2: to put Miranda in that fitting. Yes, we have to

848
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: see them Miranda through her eyes. Because the whole thing

849
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 2: of Sex and the City, to like take it to

850
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 2: like a biblical way, it's like we are all of

851
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: those girls, all of us, my girl.

852
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: It's literally like the quadrants of personality. Why it's like four.

853
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: It's like not to bring this in, but it's like

854
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: that's why they separate the Hogwarts houses, you know what

855
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: I mean, Like the Sex and the City girls, Like

856
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: there's four, you know what I mean. It's like you

857
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: can quadrant it in a way that makes sense, you

858
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And so when we're split into

859
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: a million different directions. And also they're changing the characters

860
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: a lot, it's like, of course, women over time, they change,

861
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: they grow, but they are centrally who they are and

862
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: that's important in storytelling.

863
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 2: And so like when if we started crying right now, yeah, and.

864
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: We are and one thing that you don't know about,

865
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: miss Benning, and I is this is how we cry,

866
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: like we're really crying hard, but anyway, like losing the characters. Yes,

867
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: but the one thing I really wanted to talk about

868
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 1: and this is important to me as a podcaster. Okay,

869
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: so when Carrie he gets an ad that has to

870
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: read in her podcast for a feminine odor product and

871
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: can't wrap her head around it after.

872
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 2: You already has sex column for decades.

873
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 1: Honey, you first of all, let me give you a

874
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: glimpse into what podcasting is. You're getting that you just

875
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: fucking read it. Yeah, you just fucking read it. There's

876
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: no integrity involved. Do they put it in front of you,

877
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: You read it, and you make your check and you

878
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: go the fuck home. And if anyone should know that

879
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: it's Carrie fucking Bradshaw, it blew my mind. It was

880
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: mind blowing. And I also just love that she was like, wow,

881
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: we got a week off of work or like whatever,

882
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: and I was like, these people is it?

883
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 2: Like you literally have scenes where her people that she works,

884
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 2: they're like all of her colleagues are literally like please

885
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: do this ad and She's like, it's just not my style.

886
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 2: And I'm like, honey, that blew my mind.

887
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: It was It's just like who is this woman? You

888
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, and it's just such a

889
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: misunderstanding of how it all works. And then for the

890
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: podcast company to fold because it's like quote unquote tough

891
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: for podcasts right now.

892
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 2: It's not also that one ad broke them, like we

893
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 2: don't do vagina, lubricate, well, pack it up.

894
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: We're all going like look around at this budgeted like

895
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 1: podcast studio. Also, the guy, the podcast producer, she was

896
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: fucking was hot, but there was nothing there.

897
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I'm also like I'm kind of

898
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 2: miss on sex in the City. I feel like the

899
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 2: men were like really objectified in a way that I

900
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 2: really rotate them out. They were rotated. They were also

901
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 2: like naked a lot. Like I feel like when we

902
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 2: saw Steve's I will never forget seeing Steve like laying

903
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 2: on his stomach and see and being like, oh, this

904
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 2: is made for me, Like this is what I want

905
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 2: to see. And I feel like there's like not as

906
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 2: much sex appeal and the men in the show, and

907
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 2: the men are attractive, so I'm like.

908
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're just not They're not being utilized in that way,

909
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: it feels like a neutered version of the show, which

910
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: is bizarre.

911
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 2: It's strange to have a show like based around I

912
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 2: guess it's not based on sex anymore, but like, I

913
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 2: want to see this.

914
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: We got we got lots of good ass and glamorous.

915
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 2: We did get some good ass and glamorous, and we

916
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 2: didn't know how much was going to make it because

917
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: we shot every scene that we did that had nudity.

918
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 2: We shot it like at every stage of nudity.

919
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: I see you got the PG version.

920
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did all of them just in case, and

921
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 2: they used most of them. Like I was actually really

922
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 2: shocked to find out that there was a lot of

923
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 2: butt in the show.

924
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: Oh yea, there's so much butt the show in quality

925
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: but too Yeah. And also like I just love when

926
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 1: you have a gay director and they framed the ass

927
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: in the shot, Like David Warren, who directed the PROVINCETI episode,

928
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: if he thinks that people don't know what he was

929
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: doing with Zane Phillips' ass in that scene where he

930
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: Zane is standing on the diving board and it's like

931
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: we're all in the foreground, like playing in the pool,

932
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: and then it's just Zane's like fifteen out of ten

933
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: ass just like standing on the diving board. I was

934
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: just like, it's so funny because he's so gorgeous that

935
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 1: you just laugh. It's almost not human. Like I talked

936
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: to him about this one time.

937
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 2: I was like, he's so sexy that it's like there's

938
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 2: no sex to me anymore. Like I literally am like

939
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 2: he's so I've now like just see him as like, oh,

940
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 2: you're like an action figure.

941
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: I know.

942
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 2: It was also funny because Marco, like Netflix had this

943
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 2: like really funny attitude towards Marco where it was like

944
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,919
Speaker 2: Marco's like having sex and doing drugs and like doing

945
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 2: all these young adult things, but also like Marco's a sweetheart.

946
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 2: We need to like protect Marco. It's like a little virginal.

947
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, you're like, no, Marco's a whore. No.

948
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 2: I was like, literally, Marco is like fucking around show.

949
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 2: It's crazy. And anytime everyone else had to be naked,

950
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 2: I was like always the most covered up to the

951
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: point that it created this narrative on set that people

952
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 2: were like, if you're not comfortable, you can keep your

953
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 2: shirt on into seat.

954
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 1: I remember just what to be naked to see me.

955
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 2: I was my body to be out. There's like a

956
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 2: whole we shot. The we did like an underwear party

957
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 2: sequence and it's like one hundred extras in jockstraps and

958
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 2: then us in our little tidy white's and they were

959
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 2: just telling us to do stuff. So it was like

960
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 2: go to the DJ booth and stand on this desk

961
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 2: and like dance into a shot. And then at one

962
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 2: point they had Michael c Rosen walking down a line

963
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 2: of background actors, kissing them on the cheek, and then

964
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 2: me on a stripper pole and I'm supposed to be

965
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 2: like dancing on and we were so fatigued and tired

966
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 2: because you know, and Eve ben filming in a hot

967
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 2: steo for so long and eventually you're just like saying.

968
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: Whatever they asked or like sure.

969
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 2: So I like did like a minute long take where

970
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 2: I like I did things that God would not be

971
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 2: proud of. And I remember the note I got back

972
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 2: the next day was that Netflix watched the dailies and

973
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 2: we're like, so miss Binny on a pole that was

974
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 2: a lot and I was like, sorry, I did not

975
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 2: mean and it was used for half a second in

976
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 2: the cut.

977
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's why you give them options. Yeah,

978
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you what it feels like I

979
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 1: was doing to actually be up on this pole. Yeah.

980
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 2: I was like, listen, if we get one sex moment

981
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 2: in the show where someone gets to be an absolute whore,

982
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 2: I'm going to claim it.

983
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: I'll never forget getting to set. I think Joel and

984
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: I ended on set, and I think you guys had

985
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: like just done that very acrobatic like sex sequence. Oh yeah,

986
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: you and Graham had, like I guess, like really went

987
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: for it.

988
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 2: Like we had like five days of just sex and

989
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 2: making out, which was cut into a thirty second montage,

990
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 2: And it was so funny because me and Graham up

991
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 2: to that point were very friendly, but we hadn't really

992
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 2: like had like a moment yet because we hadn't really

993
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 2: shot anything very intimate like that. And then like day

994
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 2: four of just like consistently making out and being like

995
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 2: oiled up because like he was always naked, so he's

996
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 2: like oiled up in body makeup. I have like heels

997
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 2: and ruffles on because once again and they will not

998
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 2: let me show any inch of skin. And I know

999
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: there's actually a scene where and I remember fighting with

1000
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 2: the director about this because it was so crazy. But

1001
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 2: I'm supposed to completely take off that whole outfit in

1002
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 2: the scene, and so every time we reset, I had

1003
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 2: to literally like re button and reput on everything and

1004
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: then take it all off again. And I was like

1005
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 2: being an actor so.

1006
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: Hard, an actor faking sex.

1007
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 2: And also the famous story from that is that so

1008
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: Graham is naked, naked, barefoot, like dripping out of the

1009
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 2: shower and I'm wearing these Alexander McQueen shoes with these

1010
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 2: three spikes on the end that are like legitimately weapons,

1011
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,240
Speaker 2: and I kept telling everyone on set.

1012
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, you heard him right, Yeah.

1013
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 2: I was like, these will hurt somebody, like, please be careful.

1014
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 2: And then in the scene, because Marco's the top, I'm

1015
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 2: supposed to like whip him around and push him down,

1016
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 2: and I remember we did like twenty takes of it,

1017
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 2: and then the last take, I like pulled him in

1018
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 2: for the kiss, and when I whipped him around, I

1019
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 2: heard a pop, as if someone had stepped on a balloon.

1020
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: And then when I pushed him down, he had like

1021
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 2: a wind on his face, and I was like, I

1022
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 2: just I thought I did good and maybe the kiss

1023
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 2: wasn't featuring like I was like wondering why he looked

1024
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 2: so like distraught, and then we looked down and there

1025
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 2: was like a puddle of blood.

1026
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1027
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 2: It stepped on the spikes and I essentially twisted him

1028
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 2: onto the spikes and then tiled the girl.

1029
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: I did. Yeah, and then not just in a twin

1030
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: top way. I know.

1031
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: Lots of them, pale, yeah, sex, montagement, a lot of

1032
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 2: things in that in that element, And to this day

1033
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 2: he still has like a three prong scar on the

1034
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 2: bottom of his FID shut the fuck up, And I

1035
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 2: think he owns a part of Netflix now, I think

1036
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 2: that was part of that.

1037
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was it. It's like years ago I heard

1038
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: a story about like, well I won't say what massive

1039
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: theme park it was, but a friend of mine went,

1040
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 1: Dolly was it wasn't, sorry, Dolly, no injuries have ever

1041
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: happened there. I'm sure she just clicked off of this. Now.

1042
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 1: She was like, by the way, you're a star, Dolly.

1043
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: But someone I guess was at this like massive theme

1044
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: park chain and like you know those like umbrellas that

1045
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: you put in a hole on a table so like

1046
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: if it's really windy, it could come out of the hole.

1047
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 1: Ostensibly so I guess the the umbrella. The umbrella flew

1048
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: out of the hole because a gust of wind came

1049
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: and you know the top of those umbrellas have those

1050
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: pointy tops, So it flew over and lodged into my

1051
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: friend's little brother's head, okay. And it was the kind

1052
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: of thing where it went into his skull, and it

1053
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: was the kind of thing where it was like, oh wow,

1054
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,280
Speaker 1: this traumatic thing has just happened, and I feel no pain, right,

1055
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: And so first they came over and took care of it.

1056
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: And apparently they get to go to that theme park

1057
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: now for the rest of their lives for free, as

1058
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: long as they don't ever say anything.

1059
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 2: Okay, and I won't say so you're telling this tor

1060
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 2: right now. They like are at that theme park right

1061
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 2: now being removed, and they're like, you talk.

1062
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 1: Well, you shouldn't have told your fucking blabbermouth gay friend.

1063
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 2: Right with the podcast radio mouth over here. I know, period,

1064
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 2: that is crazy. It was completely insane. Actually, I see

1065
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 2: those umbrellas that are like locked into the table. I'm like,

1066
00:45:58,640 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: this is a bad idea.

1067
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: Crazy, It's just like it's too much. There's got to

1068
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 1: be a better way. I literally watched.

1069
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 2: I was at the beach the other day and somebody

1070
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 2: had one of those umbrellas you like screw into this

1071
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 2: hand and it had come out and was like flew

1072
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 2: over and literally almost impaled somebody.

1073
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it happens. You're like, happens to me all the time,

1074
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: all the time. You get used to it. You can't

1075
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: have fun anywhere these baby malleble baby, speaking of speaking

1076
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: of formative experiences, like the traumatic experience that my friend's

1077
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: little brother went through. Right, We're going to transition out

1078
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: to this part of the podcast, which is really the

1079
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: central question of this podcast, And I'm thrilled that I

1080
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: get to talk to you about this because I know

1081
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 1: it's going to be a thrilling, engrossing answer, which is

1082
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,479
Speaker 1: Miss Benny, what was the culture that made you say

1083
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: culture was for you? This is that thing that you

1084
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: can look back and you're like, when I consume this culture, Sure,

1085
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: when I was privy to this pop culture, that's when

1086
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: I can pinpoint me becoming who I am.

1087
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 2: I'm really excited to say this because I'm curious if

1088
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 2: you were also this person. But for me, it was always, always, always,

1089
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 2: I could sim off one hundred stories about America's Next

1090
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 2: Time Model.

1091
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: Oh come on.

1092
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 2: Particularly, one of my earliest trans thoughts and memories that

1093
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 2: should have like illuminated everything to me was when I

1094
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 2: was a kid, I would watch the show and I

1095
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 2: would dream of and not dream of in a way

1096
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 2: of like that would be fun. It's like I originally

1097
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: was like, this will happen for me. I was like,

1098
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 2: I'm going to be on this show. I'm going to

1099
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 2: be one of the contestants. And I remember I would

1100
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 2: tell that to people and they'd be like, oh, if

1101
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 2: they ever had like boys to the cast, and I

1102
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 2: was like, what the fuck is.

1103
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: There?

1104
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 2: Was like that literally is don't talk, don't talk, you

1105
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 2: are ton't invest, don't talk.

1106
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: I was like, We're not doing that.

1107
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 2: And then when they actually eventually added boys to the show,

1108
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 2: I stopped watching. I was like, Yeah, this is the show.

1109
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 2: I wanted to be one of the girls.

1110
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: I want to go to Rome.

1111
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 2: I wanted to like do all of the Tyra banks

1112
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 2: like Trauma, Shananigan.

1113
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: You want to do Gosties, Yes, I wanted.

1114
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 2: To go on the go Sies and have them tell

1115
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 2: me that I'm too Southern, Like that's what I wanted.

1116
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 2: I wanted to go to after all of those and

1117
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 2: go booked, like I wanted to have my confessional moment.

1118
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 2: I wanted to like hook up with a boy in

1119
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 2: Italy and cry about it, like I wanted to have

1120
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 2: the whole thing. And then it was also my first

1121
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 2: time I ever saw gay people, the first time I

1122
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 2: ever saw a transperson with Isis King, and I remember

1123
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 2: her experience on the show that time in television was

1124
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 2: just crazy. And obviously America's ex Model was very famously

1125
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 2: like when people watch it back, they're gagged at what

1126
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 2: made it on TV at the.

1127
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: Time problematic culture, but it was formative.

1128
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,280
Speaker 2: Culture, formative, and I remember Isis on the show specifically

1129
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 2: was the first time I ever heard of what being

1130
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 2: trans was. And it was crazy because she was like

1131
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 2: met with so much blatant transphobia. I mean, they were

1132
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 2: just like zooming in on her body in very crazy

1133
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 2: ways during like all of these photo shoots, and I

1134
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 2: remember just being like, this is insane that they're treating

1135
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 2: her this way, but also feeling like I'm so I

1136
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 2: like see myself in this person for the first time,

1137
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 2: and she was like one of the girls, one of

1138
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 2: the models, and like I remember, it was just like

1139
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 2: so cool to me to watch queer people on a

1140
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 2: show like that, And it was like somehow able to

1141
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 2: be like sneak that into my like conservative Christian household

1142
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 2: because my sister liked it and it was seen as

1143
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 2: like a girly thing. So if I watched it, it

1144
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 2: was like, oh, that's just because it's on. Yeah, it's

1145
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 2: one might as well. But I fully like with the

1146
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 2: little digital camera we had, I would like hang things

1147
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 2: on my body and like pose And I remember Eva

1148
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 2: and Cycle three like had this famous photo with this

1149
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 2: transl onnic where her hands like cascading over her eye and.

1150
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: Maybe the best picture ever taken on that series.

1151
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 2: To this day. If someone's ever like be Fierce, I'm like.

1152
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's the little v over the eye.

1153
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 2: Huh, which is like, by the way, what are the

1154
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 2: corniest posts you could possibly.

1155
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:45,879
Speaker 1: That's maybe why I like it so much, just because

1156
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:52,760
Speaker 1: those girls they see in the comedy queed literally literally wow,

1157
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: okay wait. The fact that you were the only one

1158
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 1: on set that understood when I said.

1159
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 2: Came from there's so many particularly by favor with you

1160
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 2: is you were one of the only people that understand

1161
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 2: my like random drag race preferences because everyone can do

1162
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 2: the like back rolls moms.

1163
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: But I remember I was.

1164
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 2: Like, let's take a second to see how this goes, right.

1165
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 1: And I was, oh, please, because there's nothing more important

1166
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: to me, and we will get back to the top model.

1167
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 1: But like, the thing I think is the funniest thing

1168
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: in the world is Cadence's like when people say things

1169
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: a certain way, like the choice of Alroy, Like to me,

1170
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: it's like I will always say to Bow and I'll

1171
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: just go Orroy and I can say that sort of

1172
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: knowing what it is, like some people in my life

1173
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: sort of knowing what it is. But I do have

1174
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: to always remind people. The one time I did not

1175
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: have to remind people where it was from, was you.

1176
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 2: My best friend Buddy always makes funny because if I

1177
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,720
Speaker 2: say something with a particular Cadence and he doesn't recognize

1178
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 2: what it's from, He's like, what, like two thousand and

1179
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 2: eight reality show, I'm constantly doing from top motto. There's

1180
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 2: a moment where I think it's cycles stick. It is

1181
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 2: whatever Nicole's season was, but she there's an argument between

1182
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 2: Lisa and this other girl who I'm forgetting the name

1183
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 2: of right now and she he literally is like calling

1184
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 2: her out for something. They were goes and what are

1185
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 2: you doing, stupid alcoholic bitch. I say that if someone's

1186
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 2: ever like, oh, Benny, You're like you're in the wrong

1187
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 2: lane or something, I'll be like, and what are you doing?

1188
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 2: It's my favorite thing in the world.

1189
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: There were so much from that show that like remained

1190
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: in pop culture, not even just as like you know,

1191
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: a funny tyre thing or like a funny thing about

1192
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: the contestants, but just reality show culture, Like there are

1193
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: two beautiful girls standing in front of me, I only

1194
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,399
Speaker 1: have one photo in my hands, you know what I mean?

1195
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: Like study and I always go. My friend Sudi and

1196
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: I always go, like whenever we have to like say something,

1197
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: I always do.

1198
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 2: And if I'm talking about anything to do with Brazil.

1199
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: There's something about the season with Melrose and Carrie D

1200
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: which is my favorite. Unhinged. Those girls were out well,

1201
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: they were completely insane. Carrie D was completely remember the runway,

1202
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: the final runway, which was them like screaming down the hall.

1203
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1204
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were doing this like Alexander McQueen screeching thing.

1205
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was insane.

1206
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 2: I love that show.

1207
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:05,720
Speaker 1: And I know it was amazing.

1208
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 2: I know that it's aged in such a crazy way,

1209
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 2: but there's just nothing quite like the moment where I

1210
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 2: forget the name of the girl who literally like faints

1211
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 2: in the middle of the yes yes, yes, yes, yes,

1212
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 2: and then they just like resume judging afterwards, Like it

1213
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 2: is the craziest I think.

1214
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: Tyro was like, and this is the reason why we

1215
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: drink water. Okay, keep it going.

1216
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 2: She's like when I was a model working backstage, if

1217
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 2: I fainted, I just went out there and I fainted

1218
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 2: on stage.

1219
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I made it part of the show.

1220
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 2: Also, just the pop culture of every single time they

1221
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,280
Speaker 2: makeovers came Tyra being like, you're gonna have a pixy

1222
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 2: cut like Mia Farroh, and you're gonna have long, straight

1223
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:45,240
Speaker 2: hair like Naomi Campbell. Ye always talked so highly of Naomi,

1224
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 2: which was so wild when you were also a fan

1225
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 2: of like the Tyra Banks show.

1226
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh I loved it. I ate it all.

1227
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: I mean, one of the great YouTube videos you can

1228
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 1: go back and rewatch is the Tyro Naomi interview.

1229
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 2: But there's no audience and it's literally just them too,

1230
00:52:59,160 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 2: just like.

1231
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: Just like the way they couldn't get there, and they

1232
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: had to clearly like have a commercial break, and the

1233
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: producers had to say to Naomi like, hey, like we

1234
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: definitely need some resolution here, like it's going to be

1235
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: really bad. I dream I actually thought about I do apologize, yeah,

1236
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: And she's like, I don't know what fool, but I apologize,

1237
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: like's not that deep? I it's not that deep. Is

1238
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 1: a moment in culture, so good.

1239
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 2: And I Also my favorite quote from that too is

1240
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 2: when Tyler's talking about something that Naomi said a photoshot.

1241
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 2: She's like, you came over to me and you said,

1242
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 2: you know what you said? And Amy goes, what did

1243
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 2: I say?

1244
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:31,919
Speaker 1: What did I say?

1245
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 2: It's so fiir. She's like excited, She's like kaking about it.

1246
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 2: What did I She's like, where did I get you it?

1247
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: Oh my god? How did I get you together that day?

1248
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: Little girl?

1249
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 2: And then I think it was that she had said

1250
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 2: something of like I heard what you were saying about

1251
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 2: me earlier, bitch, and then like walked away, and I'm like, okay,

1252
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 2: first of all, if I said that to somebody, it

1253
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:48,919
Speaker 2: would absolutely be funny, Like it would be a joke.

1254
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 2: I'd be like, I heard what you said about me.

1255
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 1: That's what I love about being not that's what I

1256
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,240
Speaker 1: love about being queer. But like the thing is like

1257
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: like pride is over man and and like I said,

1258
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: I am sobbing full and like this is the thing

1259
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 1: about me. But that is something at least that is

1260
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 1: like gifted to us. Is It's like nothing is ever

1261
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: that serious, like unless it is. But like if I

1262
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: came over to you during a take and was like

1263
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: I heard what you said about me, you fucking bitch,

1264
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: I know you would laugh, yeah, of course. Wellas back

1265
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: in the model days of Tyra and Naomi there was

1266
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 1: no laughing.

1267
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 2: There was nowhere.

1268
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god.

1269
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 2: And then just to like really, I mean the pinnacle

1270
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 2: of like pop model personalities was Jade because how could

1271
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 2: you ever top that, I mean, proto type villain. I

1272
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 2: wonder where she is now. I would love you to

1273
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 2: have her on the pod if you haven't already, like

1274
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 2: that would it would be iconic. She understood reality TV

1275
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 2: before I think people understood how to do reality TV.

1276
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 2: It was like, oh, you're in Tiffany Pollard, Like it

1277
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:44,760
Speaker 2: was like two people who understood how to do this.

1278
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: And can we just say justice for all of these

1279
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 1: mostly women who got the bad rap of like, oh,

1280
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: she's a villain, she's the quote unquote bitch. Like whatever, no, no, no,

1281
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 1: what they were doing was giving you something to watch.

1282
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: It's like, if you go back, this is probably before

1283
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: your time too, but like years and years and years ago,

1284
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: I know you're a Survivor Queen Jerry Manthe on the

1285
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: second season of Survivor Australian Outback. She was like aspiring actress.

1286
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: She she did well in the competition. She was unabashedly horny,

1287
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 1: she was devious, she was like one of the girls cackling.

1288
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,760
Speaker 1: She was making up lies about other people. She said

1289
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: that one of the tell me literally. And she did well,

1290
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: and she had such a bad reputation at the time

1291
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 1: in the media because she was like, you know, like

1292
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 1: the vixen and like the bitch goddess of the island

1293
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: and like the villain and the antagonist. Meanwhile, if she

1294
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: competed on Survivor today, people would be like, that's genius

1295
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 1: that you made everyone think he smuggled in beef jerky.

1296
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: That's amazing you told that personally said something bitchy about them,

1297
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: because that's how you win. Now, cut on these antagonists,

1298
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 1: these girls that were doing the show and getting in

1299
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: each other's heads and doing reality television. Yeah that got

1300
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: this bad rap at the time and probably couldn't leave

1301
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: the house would be celebrated today, and we celebrate them

1302
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 1: on this party.

1303
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 2: Absolutely. And I feel like gay people have like always

1304
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 2: been a little in on that. Like I was just okay,

1305
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 2: this is crazy. But when I was with Zaane last night,

1306
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 2: we were at some party that Parverty was at.

1307
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Parverty is very around. I watched the

1308
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: finale of Survival with Parverty this year. Oh my god,

1309
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: so you're a blessed child. That is so lucky of you.

1310
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 1: Did you get to engage with Parverty? Yes?

1311
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 2: And the person who was hosting this party was like, Hey,

1312
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 2: I know this is funny, but this is real. I've

1313
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 2: hidden like a hidden immunity idle at this party and

1314
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 2: so whoever finds it. I don't rember what the like

1315
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 2: prize actually was, but I was like, you have to

1316
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,399
Speaker 2: find it, and so me, of course, me and Zaye

1317
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 2: were like, we will.

1318
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: All over the house. Wait, this happened last night.

1319
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 2: This happened last night.

1320
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: Because this same thing happened at the finale party. I

1321
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 1: was at her with I'm wondering if this is something

1322
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: she does at party.

1323
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 2: She does because she knows we want it, because when

1324
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 2: we met her, we were like skirting around the fact

1325
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 2: that we're all like this is a fivate legit, like

1326
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 2: this is crazy. And so the next thing, like Parvety's

1327
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 2: like giving us tips on where to look, like she

1328
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 2: like had heard notes and hints that were given, and

1329
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 2: so like then it looks like we're just like robbing

1330
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 2: this person's house because I'm like, you're.

1331
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: Like in the bathroom going through cabinets now.

1332
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 2: But listen, Like if somebody who's hosting a party and

1333
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 2: by the way, didn't know the host before this, if

1334
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 2: somebody's housing a party that you're going to and you

1335
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 2: don't know them very well, and they tell you I've

1336
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 2: hitden a hatmmunity to ido you need to find it,

1337
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 2: You're then negotiating with yourself like how serious can I

1338
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 2: take this?

1339
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just carte blanche because I'm going through your pills.

1340
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 2: We opened the microwave, like yeah, like going through drawers,

1341
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 2: Like there was a room that was closed and I

1342
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 2: was like do I go in there? Like I was like,

1343
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 2: I don't know what the rules you would Parverty and

1344
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 2: then guess what. About an hour into it, I went

1345
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 2: up to the host and asked for another hint and

1346
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 2: was like, I think, I know it's probably over here,

1347
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 2: and they were like, somebody found it, and I think

1348
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 2: it was Poverty.

1349
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: I really do well. She's so good at that.

1350
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 2: And so then we went up to Parvety and we

1351
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 2: were like, but whoever gets it, I'll probably isn't gonna

1352
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 2: tell anyone about it, right, And she was like, yeah,

1353
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 2: I've heard that that's probably the right way to do it.

1354
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: Isn't it funny? Like when you meet Poverty in person

1355
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: and she like, is Parverty? Yes, you know what I mean?

1356
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 1: Like it's been years since she was on the show,

1357
00:57:58,800 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: but it's giving part.

1358
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 2: Yes, she's perfect. She's perfect every season I've watched with

1359
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 2: her in it. I'm just like, how if I was

1360
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 2: in that competition and she was there, I would sacrifice

1361
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 2: myself for her.

1362
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and anyway I'd be like she is one of

1363
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 1: them too, though, like because she also was like on

1364
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: Survivor at that time. Yeah, where now I think looking

1365
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: back and I think, like true Survivor fans like always

1366
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: do think of her as one of the greats, obviously

1367
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: because she is. But at the time I remember her

1368
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: first season like, yeah, which is cook Islands, she was

1369
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: looked at as like, oh, she's the flirtatious one, like

1370
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: her game is not to be taken seriously, et cetera,

1371
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 1: to the point where I remember when she came back

1372
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: for Micronesia, which she ended up winning again, everyone was like, oh,

1373
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,959
Speaker 1: we know her game already, like it doesn't work. Then

1374
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: it worked beautifully. And at what I love is seeing

1375
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: girls come on the show and try to do the

1376
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: poverty thing and I'm like, girl, you could never be party,

1377
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: you could never be watched to.

1378
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1379
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: That's my favorite thing is when you people are like

1380
00:58:58,240 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: what kind of game do you think you're gonna play?

1381
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: Because you know, I watch all the pre interviews and

1382
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: people are like, I think I'm gonna be like poverty.

1383
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, shut up.

1384
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 2: The thing about Poverty that watching it, that truly it

1385
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 2: gets me every time, is like she somehow has this

1386
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 2: like aura of I'm like so clued in, but I

1387
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 2: also don't give a fuck. Yeah, she truly like knows

1388
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 2: how to give somebody just enough attention in a way

1389
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 2: that does and that's something that I absolutely don't have

1390
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 2: as a person, like I fully will give way too

1391
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 2: much to somebody because I'm like, this is what you want, right,

1392
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 2: But she like in every conversation she had, she just

1393
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 2: felt like she was like, we're the cool one.

1394
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's never done too much in her life.

1395
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 2: No, I don't think she even knows what that feels like.

1396
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 2: And so every time I watch her, I was just

1397
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 2: like taking like social notes on how to speak to people.

1398
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: She's so good, social notes that you probably were not

1399
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 1: taking during Top Model because they were the collection of

1400
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 1: the craziest people in America.

1401
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 2: No, I think Top Model like formed me and then

1402
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 2: parverties me trying to unform. Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to

1403
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 2: like take what I have and likes it.

1404
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: Okay, So America's Top Model culture like that was formative.

1405
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: Do you have just to throw out there? Do you

1406
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: have a picture in your mind of who the best

1407
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: not winner, but contestant and in America's next Top Model

1408
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: history is like who is the most iconic? And it

1409
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: can be a winner who.

1410
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 2: Is the most iconic? Oh that's a hard one. I

1411
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 2: do feel like when people post clips of Top Model

1412
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:23,959
Speaker 2: obviously like not of Tyra. I feel like it is Jade,

1413
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 2: Like I do feel like it has to be her.

1414
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 2: I feel like I remember vividly the warfare when Alis

1415
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 2: and Harvard did not win her season of Psychoto, and

1416
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 2: I remember just how scary it was to be a

1417
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 2: Top Model fan at that time, because it felt like our.

1418
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: World who was scared of? I was scared.

1419
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 2: I was scared. Yeah, I think that, like I'd never

1420
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 2: seen like a fan favorite on that show more than her,

1421
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 2: and I've met her a couple of times. Down every

1422
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 2: single time she Like you know when you meet someone

1423
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 2: that like you really admire their famous and they've like

1424
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 2: worked on something years ago and you don't want to

1425
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 2: like ask them about it, so you just like talk

1426
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,040
Speaker 2: to them and they like refer to this thing that

1427
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 2: they did and they're like, oh, yeah, I did this

1428
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 2: show and I was like twenty that was like super

1429
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 2: crazy and now.

1430
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: You have to like be like oh cool, Like oh wow,

1431
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: what was the what was it?

1432
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 2: Then they're like, oh, it's like a America's Next Time

1433
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 2: Model And you're like, oh that's so yeah, I've seen that.

1434
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: So did you play that game or were you you did? Oh?

1435
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:17,439
Speaker 2: I'm of course that girl. Are you kidding me.

1436
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 1: Again, you are being part of you could not give

1437
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: too much.

1438
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 2: No, I can't because it'd be too much to give

1439
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:21,919
Speaker 2: too much.

1440
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: I always I feel like it's better now to just

1441
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 1: be like I saw this thing, I know this thing.

1442
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 2: You're really good at that though, I will say, like

1443
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 2: when you meet the girls, you're really good about just

1444
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 2: being like I worship you and we can move on.

1445
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 1: I feel because I feel like it does get it

1446
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 1: out of the way, because then all of a sudden

1447
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: you realize you're like drained. Later when you're trying, especially

1448
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 1: like when you yourself are meeting someone like and then

1449
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: they revealed like I've been on dates very good where

1450
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 1: thank you so much. I've been on dates period. Okay,

1451
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: end of podcasts, no, but like I've been on dates

1452
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: and like it'll be like the third or fourth date

1453
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 1: that someone will be like, hey, I just feel at

1454
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 1: this point it's a little weird, and I want to

1455
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 1: tell you like I do listen to the podcast weird,

1456
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 1: or I do watch this show, or I do know

1457
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 1: this movie, or I do know this thing, or even

1458
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: sometimes like I've actually been to your shows, and at

1459
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: that point I'm just like see and now being on

1460
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: that side of it. Now, I really know, just tell

1461
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: people the knowledge that you have.

1462
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 2: You have to acknowledge it.

1463
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 1: They move on because all of a sudden, it's like honey.

1464
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:28,479
Speaker 2: Because then it feels like they've been hiding something from you. Yeah,

1465
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:30,919
Speaker 2: and it's like, well now I feel like looking back

1466
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 2: at every interaction, I'm like, this was all colored by

1467
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 2: you knowing me versus I would have just known that before.

1468
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting. I would never think like, oh, what

1469
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 1: was your motive until now, Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

1470
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 2: That's creepy. I'm so sorry that happened to you.

1471
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: Are you partnered up right now? Are you booing? You know?

1472
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 1: She's Oh my.

1473
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 2: God, answer, it's so crazy of me.

1474
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1475
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 2: I have this like she's taken care of she you

1476
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 2: know that I know about the that was so sorry.

1477
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 2: You know, she's having orgasms. She's very and just like that.

1478
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 2: But you know what's so funny is I have this

1479
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 2: like because of the era that I became like privy

1480
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 2: to pop culture, I'm like so burned in my brain

1481
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 2: with two thousand and eight logic where I'm like, when

1482
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 2: you're a public figure, you need to be like so open.

1483
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 2: People need to feel like they could have you if

1484
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 2: they knew you. Okay, talk about this because you know

1485
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 2: how like think about like Justin Bieber or like any

1486
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 2: of these like pop stars. Early on, it was always

1487
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 2: like you want the audience to feel like you're attainable

1488
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 2: and if you were like dating something. I mean I

1489
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 2: think of a lot of these like boy bands and

1490
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 2: pop stars who like it was always like, oh, you know,

1491
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 2: I don't really talking about it, Ariana Grande being like.

1492
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 1: You know, just flirting. Yeah, it's yeah.

1493
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 2: And so I have that burned in my brain, which

1494
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 2: is like not how it is now to the point

1495
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 2: that like if I go on a date with anyone,

1496
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 2: or I meet anyone or anything's going on, like I

1497
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 2: hold that so close to my chest, like the world

1498
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 2: is banging on the door to know anything about my life.

1499
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 2: It's so right. And I will say the weird thing

1500
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 2: now about being like on the like weird like Z

1501
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 2: list of gay famous is like the ways that people

1502
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 2: recognize me and know of me previously are so weird

1503
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 2: where it's like if I go to like Forever twenty one,

1504
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 2: someone will know me. If I go to like a

1505
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 2: max store, someone will know me. But people also like

1506
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 2: grew up with my music and my YouTube videos. Yeah yeah,

1507
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 2: to the point that now, like even on like the apps,

1508
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 2: someone will message me and be like, oh my god,

1509
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 2: I grew up with your music or whatever, like it's

1510
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 2: so great, and then they like send the folder and

1511
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 2: I'm like that is the strangest segue.

1512
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, so like I don't know what to do. It's like, hey,

1513
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 3: I don't think so, honey, if this is not actually you,

1514
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 3: ha ha oh yeah. And then you see their hole yeah,

1515
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh my god. It's like if you

1516
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 3: sat on Santa's lap and we're like, well, you're doing liter.

1517
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 1: And I just want to let you know that I

1518
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 1: grew up with you. I've been leaving. She's out for

1519
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 1: you all my life. Here's a picture of me sliding

1520
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 1: into someone else. I'm like, oh my god.

1521
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 2: And then it's like a voice message Santa. Yeah, Santa's hot.

1522
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: Though.

1523
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 2: I guess now I'm humanizing I'm Santa. I guess in

1524
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 2: this context, would she fuck Sannah?

1525
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: Yeah you would. Yeah, I mean you have to remember game.

1526
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, but.

1527
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 2: Imagine the steps to this moment. Yeah, I would need

1528
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 2: to know, like this isn't a Santa personate. I need

1529
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 2: to know, like this is real Santa's reo.

1530
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 1: First of all, well, first of all, let's let's exist

1531
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 1: in mall logic, right, So when you go to the mall,

1532
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 1: that logic, yeah that's Sanah. So like just know when

1533
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 1: you meet Santa, that is Santa. Yeah, okay, period, Absolutely

1534
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: I would the dick of death. I would take the

1535
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 1: dick of death from Santa. I am ready for Sana.

1536
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 1: I think he gives the dick of death.

1537
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 2: I think so probably Yeah, he says he ho ho,

1538
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 2: that's so true.

1539
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 1: Do you think he's faithful in missus Claus. I think

1540
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 1: there's no way he's what faithful to missus Claus.

1541
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 2: I think they're open. And I think she's plugging up

1542
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 2: at home too.

1543
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 1: You think so, yeah, she got it.

1544
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 2: Listen, think about the North Pole, think about all of

1545
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 2: these like workers that grow up. They can't always work

1546
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 2: in the twenty factory.

1547
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 1: So years and years and years ago. This is back

1548
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: in the day when like doing comedy, when I was

1549
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 1: in like you know, the late aughts, like Twine twenty ten,

1550
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 1: like this is when I was like starting to like

1551
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 1: do comedy. And one of the things that was very

1552
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 1: sort of common about doing comedy at that time was

1553
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:24,919
Speaker 1: like you would do a comedy rap. So years ago

1554
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 1: I wrote a comedy rap that actually does exist online.

1555
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 1: It's called When Santa Leave, and it's about when Santa

1556
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 1: leaves the North Pole, how high everyone gets because it's

1557
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 1: a celebration. And there was a verse that I wrote

1558
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 1: as Missus Clause and it was sort of talking about

1559
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 1: how what a horse she is, and.

1560
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 2: There was theme now and you're a creative process.

1561
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 1: All I want is writ everyone Christmas. She's she gets.

1562
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 1: It was literally like you get in a North Pole.

1563
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 1: I got a tight hole. It was like the most

1564
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 1: like dra basic And again it was like I would

1565
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 1: never perform it again because again I don't think the

1566
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,439
Speaker 1: world needs me to be rapping, but at the time

1567
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 1: it's just like I need you to lonely Island culture.

1568
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, we're rapping. That's combedy and so

1569
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 1: like I just ripped this viciously horrish line as Missus

1570
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 1: Claus and I continue to talk about her and my

1571
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 1: Christmas content. I'm fascinated by her, but I hope she's

1572
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 1: getting fucked. I hope so too.

1573
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 2: I mean, here's the thing, like Missus Claws and Sanna

1574
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 2: are immortal, so they figured it out. They've got a system,

1575
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 2: I'm sure, Like I imagine they're not like new to this,

1576
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 2: they've had.

1577
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:36,439
Speaker 1: A wait, that's actually at Culture R fifty. Missus Claus

1578
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 1: and Santa aren't new to this. Yeah, and that's the

1579
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 1: Christmas spirit they figured out. So you think that it's

1580
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 1: a little bit like, you know, maybe like Tom Cruisey.

1581
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 2: It's like, here's a question just amongst your question for

1582
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 2: the culture culture. Do you think they are in the

1583
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 2: open situation where they it's like out of sight, out

1584
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:00,160
Speaker 2: of mind, like when he's gone, they can that's I

1585
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:02,440
Speaker 2: preferred situation, okay, Or do you think they're more of

1586
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 2: like he goes and does it, she has her moment,

1587
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 2: and then they come home and they talk.

1588
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 1: About it there. I hope not.

1589
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 2: She can't lie though, because it'll be on the naughty list.

1590
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 1: I know.

1591
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 2: So literally, he's like, what did you do last night?

1592
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 2: She goes, you don't want to know about it.

1593
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:16,720
Speaker 1: And now all of a sudden, I really want to

1594
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,720
Speaker 1: know about it. My god. I would imagine that with them,

1595
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 1: it's like there's no one else in the world for them,

1596
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 1: so there's no reason to not be brutally honest. You

1597
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:25,759
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.

1598
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean, like I guess I'll say this,

1599
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 2: I would sleep with Sanna.

1600
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't date Sanna. No, that's too much because

1601
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:34,719
Speaker 1: first of all, he's so busy, always on the road,

1602
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 1: always on the road, and al so you know you're

1603
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 1: not the only girl. Yeah, and you don't catch feelings.

1604
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:40,440
Speaker 2: You can't catch feelings?

1605
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 1: Do you catch feelings? Easy? You do? I don't know.

1606
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,719
Speaker 1: I mean I can true coffee with Michael Sue Rosen

1607
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 1: and you're talking about it months later on.

1608
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 2: The podcast, and I did just say I would sleep

1609
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 2: with Sanna, So I guess.

1610
01:08:51,840 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 1: So it's giving horror. Yeah, it's giving easy. Yeah, said

1611
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 1: she is the discount doll everyone can purchase discount all

1612
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 1: maybe is a better title of app.

1613
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:11,839
Speaker 2: Yeah. I can't really romanticize anyone. Yeah, I think truly,

1614
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 2: Like I think about when I first started dating, and

1615
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know, like like my best friend,

1616
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 2: for example, can be single for like a really long

1617
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 2: time and be so happy and like he's truly he's

1618
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 2: like such high standards, which I think is good.

1619
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1620
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:24,759
Speaker 2: I on the other hand, of like I am always

1621
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 2: booed up in some form, and so like for me,

1622
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, what do you mean you can't find somebody

1623
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:31,839
Speaker 2: that you like, love and enjoy? Like, yeah, I love everyone.

1624
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:32,719
Speaker 2: I can enjoy anyone.

1625
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 1: My therapist threw at me the other day. Not the

1626
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:36,719
Speaker 1: other day, this is a few months ago. She goes,

1627
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, do you think maybe we're a little

1628
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 1: bit of a love addict? And I was like, uh,

1629
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 1: what do you mean? She was like, I think you

1630
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:51,679
Speaker 1: might be addicted to the idea of and concept of

1631
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 1: being in love and being partnered in like that excitement,

1632
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 1: in that rush, which then did end up playing itself

1633
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 1: out in a way. Yeah. So now it's like when

1634
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 1: you know you're susceptible to that, it's actually good to

1635
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 1: know because like it's a lot of emotional energy and

1636
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 1: like you also know it's less about the person and

1637
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 1: it is you. You're looking for something, don't necessarily like

1638
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:15,879
Speaker 1: think you're finding it everywhere.

1639
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 2: You know what It also is too, like I this

1640
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 2: isn't like a new thought, Like I definitely know people

1641
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 2: on like TikTok are talking about this, but it's like

1642
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 2: it's also the thing of I can entertain myself on

1643
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 2: a date, no matter what. If somebody's like not giving

1644
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 2: me anything, I can like make that fun for myself.

1645
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 1: And that's the part that I think is dangerous though,

1646
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 1: because when you're on a date and you're sort of

1647
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 1: thinking about it, like I'm going to crush this date. Yeah,

1648
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 1: that is different than connecting with a person and all

1649
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 1: of a sudden you leave and you're like that went well,

1650
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 1: and it's like, no, bitch, you turned it because you're

1651
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 1: the moment. I turned it out. You turned it because

1652
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 1: you're the moment, but you didn't like the person.

1653
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, congragulations, but engagulations.

1654
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 1: You are the winner of this challenge. Yeah, but there's

1655
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 1: no immunity now. Fully.

1656
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 2: I fully dated this boy one time for like it

1657
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 2: was like two or three dates, and I remember like

1658
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 2: being so gushy about him to my friends, but then

1659
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 2: like had I had no anecdotes or like stories to tell.

1660
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 2: I was just like, but I just feel so good

1661
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 2: on the dates. It's like, oh, it's because I'm doing

1662
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 2: it tight under ten, like I'm showing up and being like,

1663
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 2: you'll never believe it happened to me this way. Yeah,

1664
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:15,760
Speaker 2: And I love that because I love me exactly. When

1665
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 2: you live for your fantasy.

1666
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 1: You are your own diva. You are the doll. Yes,

1667
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 1: and that's actually really culture number ninety nine. When you

1668
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 1: are your own diva, you are the doll. But this

1669
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 1: is just a question that I have because I do

1670
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 1: this all the time. Because I have this, I don't

1671
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 1: know if it's because I have a background in writing

1672
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 1: or because I'm a performer or whatever. I often will

1673
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 1: show up on dates and now I really try not

1674
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:39,600
Speaker 1: to do this, but I used to show up on

1675
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 1: dates all the time with a line I was going

1676
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 1: to say. It was like a joke. I was open

1677
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 1: with an icebreaker. Are you giving rehearsed Yeah.

1678
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 2: I'm in the same boat as you, where I have

1679
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 2: to try that for everything though, where it's like if

1680
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:52,600
Speaker 2: I'm going, I mean, this is social anxiety.

1681
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 1: Hi, thank yeah, of course, thank you.

1682
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 2: I medica every situation I go into with like an

1683
01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:00,720
Speaker 2: opening icebreaker, and I'm trying to break that because then

1684
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 2: what happens is if it doesn't land, my life's over.

1685
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:05,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, the situation's done.

1686
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 2: If we had started this pod and like we didn't

1687
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 2: immediately start kiking right away, it would have been I

1688
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 2: would have left anyway.

1689
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 1: Well, that's why I was so excited you were coming.

1690
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 1: Is because I was like, I don't have to I

1691
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 1: feel like I could just show up with Ms Benning

1692
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 1: and just you know, it's the gusts. And I've always

1693
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 1: felt that about you. I've always felt that about you.

1694
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 1: You're my girl.

1695
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:22,560
Speaker 2: We have like the weirdest I feel like upbringing. It

1696
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 2: is like social friends, because I feel like I met

1697
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 2: you at Betty Who. I saw you here and there,

1698
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 2: and then we ended Queen. Yeah, and then we randomly

1699
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 2: ended up at a Jessica Simpson book tour.

1700
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 1: Ohn, my god, do you remember that.

1701
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:37,599
Speaker 2: And the Pita running on stage moment?

1702
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 1: Yeah? Quickly before we get into I don't think so, honey,

1703
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:42,599
Speaker 1: we have to relive this moment. So we were we

1704
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 1: were at Jessica Simpson's what was she was? She was

1705
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:49,720
Speaker 1: being interviewed by Katherine Schwarzenegger. Lots to unpack there. Who

1706
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 1: was married to Chris Pratt? Is she not anymore? Who

1707
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:55,599
Speaker 1: is married to? I think they are so like Catherine

1708
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 1: was interviewing Jessica Simpson about her inspiring new book, Open Book,

1709
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 1: and you know, like the Qus we are we were like,

1710
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 1: we're absolutely going to this and I should have known.

1711
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 2: Of course that y'all would be there, and also the

1712
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 2: fact that it was like a two hour book Q

1713
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 2: and a moment and I don't believe anything was said no,

1714
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 2: but I loved it.

1715
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:17,519
Speaker 1: There was then the moment where a peda person represented

1716
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:21,519
Speaker 1: I almost a representative them, like they certainly were representing Petah.

1717
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 1: Let me tell you that. So they're giving a peta

1718
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:28,640
Speaker 1: their mind, Peter, their minds. I'm gonna stand up and

1719
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 1: give you a peeda something Peter my heart take another

1720
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 1: little one. So basically they stand up like and they

1721
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 1: waited a long time, like this is like an hour

1722
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 1: long conversation. They waited what had to be like forty

1723
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 1: five minutes, OK. To then get up and scream at

1724
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:46,600
Speaker 1: Jessica for using.

1725
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:48,799
Speaker 2: Fur and was crazy because I don't know if you remember,

1726
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 2: but it was one person who was in like the

1727
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 2: middle of the aisle so like they couldn't really remove them.

1728
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 2: And then that person, I don't know how it got handled.

1729
01:13:56,920 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 2: And then like popcorn, they just showed up around every

1730
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:02,720
Speaker 2: bunch they organized where they were sitting to where I

1731
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 2: didn't I thought you were going to stand up.

1732
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 1: I know, all of a sudden, can you the gag

1733
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 1: that would have been had I stood up and been like, hey,

1734
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 1: Jessica was like if I had been like.

1735
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:13,559
Speaker 2: A crazy social anxity apply not.

1736
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 1: That they're crazy people, they have all the right in

1737
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 1: the world to do this, but like in the moment,

1738
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:17,360
Speaker 1: I was.

1739
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 2: Just like, they're advocating for his great but I was

1740
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 2: scared of Jessica SIMPSONID like, why are we fighting Jessica

1741
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 2: Simpson at this moment? Yeah, in two thousand and whatever

1742
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 2: that was, But.

1743
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:26,559
Speaker 1: I guess that's how you do it, you know what

1744
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, you take your space in the moment

1745
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:32,599
Speaker 1: to let people do go to Jessica up and you screamed,

1746
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 1: you sit there for hours, Yeah, make sure that you

1747
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 1: were not sitting near your friends, and then you make

1748
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:39,679
Speaker 1: it a moment and honestly, I'll give it to him.

1749
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 1: That's what I remember about that night.

1750
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:43,240
Speaker 2: It's my favorite part of the night. Also watching Jessica

1751
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 2: fully play it off. So while she was like literally

1752
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 2: on stage being like, I just love my book. My

1753
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 2: book is the reward that I love, Like.

1754
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and then don't you feel like after they

1755
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 1: were all doing that, because it was like four or

1756
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:58,639
Speaker 1: five outbursts of that, I then was kind of like, well,

1757
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 1: I feel like, now you kind of have to speak

1758
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 1: to this. Yeah, and she did.

1759
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:03,880
Speaker 2: It because in the audience was like kind of like

1760
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 2: and so let's talk about Yeah, it was.

1761
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 1: Like okay, so clearly this is something that's like an issue,

1762
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 1: So like what is the t like does your million

1763
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 1: dollar company use these products?

1764
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:14,640
Speaker 2: And the same way that you have to address to

1765
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 2: a celebrity that you love, that you know who they

1766
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 2: are ahead of time, I feel like they needed to

1767
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 2: address that they rerepew of people in the building because

1768
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:21,800
Speaker 2: then when it created with a sense of unease where

1769
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 2: I felt like all of us were just like waiting

1770
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 2: for the net. We weren't even listening to the stories.

1771
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 2: We were like everyone nervous waiting for the next moment

1772
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 2: where it.

1773
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:33,080
Speaker 1: Was yeah, I think we even did that bit like

1774
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 1: I think we did like yeah, no of us.

1775
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 2: They also, like the members, we had to go through

1776
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 2: a metal detector and put all of our stuff out

1777
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:42,439
Speaker 2: to check. So I'm like, where did they put their

1778
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:44,040
Speaker 2: signs exactly?

1779
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 1: I mean signs for years in my mind's I now

1780
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 1: it now looks like they fully had like a huge

1781
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:51,599
Speaker 1: like plaster sign but.

1782
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:54,720
Speaker 2: Maybe like paintball guns or like shooting the red like

1783
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 2: cur it.

1784
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 1: Was officially a chaotic atmosphere.

1785
01:15:57,320 --> 01:15:59,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I loved it. I love you, go back today,

1786
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:00,639
Speaker 2: I go today.

1787
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 1: And I want it again. Speaking of chaotic atmospheres and

1788
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 1: doing it again, this is now the segment of the

1789
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:17,600
Speaker 1: podcast that we do every single time. It's called I

1790
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 1: Don't Think So, Honey. It's our world famous segment where

1791
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:23,559
Speaker 1: we take one minute to rant rave rail and more

1792
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:27,639
Speaker 1: against something in culture that absolutely deserves the railing. We're

1793
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 1: not the only things that deserve railing, cause all of

1794
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 1: a sudden, I'm looking for my poll, seriously looking for

1795
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:38,519
Speaker 1: a pole these days too, really genuine. It's actually been

1796
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:41,799
Speaker 1: several months since I've had like just an honest to god.

1797
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:48,720
Speaker 2: Pole penetrative sex. A fucked a long time, okay, and

1798
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 2: if not a pole, what.

1799
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 1: Six weeks maybe? Well, there was a little moment there

1800
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:56,360
Speaker 1: where I was actually experiment because I'm kind of newly

1801
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 1: in my bottom era, Okay, So there was like a

1802
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 1: moment there where I had like an actual vibe bread

1803
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 1: that I was sticking up there, and it was really

1804
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 1: thrilling because I've never done that. I've never like, you know,

1805
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 1: We're on the street.

1806
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 2: Is proste play is in Baby.

1807
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 1: We're on the Street is it's actually a real coaching number.

1808
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 1: Nine We're on the Street is proste play is in

1809
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 1: Baby And so all of a sudden, there I am

1810
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:17,920
Speaker 1: like sort of like really rocking my own ass, like

1811
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 1: while I was jacking.

1812
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 2: Off, rocking your whole world, the world.

1813
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:23,679
Speaker 1: And I haven't done that in a while. Maybe I will.

1814
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 1: But also looking for a pole.

1815
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 2: And it was really funny about talking about it to

1816
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 2: be like I think I'm gonna do that when I

1817
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 2: get home, because it's like you're gonna go home and

1818
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:31,680
Speaker 2: be like, oh, I mean this Bitdy talked about this,

1819
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 2: I should masturbate.

1820
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 1: Like it's like, oh yeah, I meant to put that

1821
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 1: thing in the mail. Oh yeah, I said I was

1822
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 1: going to being real quick myself. Anyways, transitioning to the segment,

1823
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 1: I don't think, so honey, I'm gonna go first, I'm nervous,

1824
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 1: and then Miss Benning is gonna absolutely rock the house. Okay,

1825
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 1: so this is my Matt Rogers. I don't think so honey,

1826
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 1: and my time starts now. I don't think so honey

1827
01:17:57,360 --> 01:17:59,759
Speaker 1: that you can't go to a concert anymore without wondering

1828
01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 1: is the star on stage gonna get something fucking thrown

1829
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:02,599
Speaker 1: at them.

1830
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1831
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:05,680
Speaker 1: Okay, first Bby Rexa, then it happened to it just

1832
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 1: happened to Kelsey Ballerini. It went down with a pink

1833
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:12,800
Speaker 1: cause being mother's ashes are being thrown at her being

1834
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:15,679
Speaker 1: hands in a bree cheese like everyone. I don't think so, honey,

1835
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 1: bring your phone and keep it in your goddamn pocket.

1836
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 1: I don't even think so, honey. People filming the concerts,

1837
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:22,760
Speaker 1: I'm guilty of this, but just like if we can't

1838
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:26,040
Speaker 1: be trusted to have anything honest, like, that's gonna ruin

1839
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 1: the concert experience for everyone. I have thirty seconds. So

1840
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 1: basically my thing is just like people stop. I don't

1841
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:33,599
Speaker 1: know if it has anything to do with more than

1842
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:35,639
Speaker 1: like you're trying to give them something. If you're trying

1843
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:38,040
Speaker 1: to give Kelsey Ballerini a bracelet, I can send it

1844
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 1: to the fucking president of the fan club. Okay, don't

1845
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 1: be throwing things that hit her in the eye. You

1846
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 1: could seriously hurt her. I don't think so, honey. Like

1847
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:48,439
Speaker 1: even as a viewer of the concerts, now, I'm gonna

1848
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 1: sit there. It's like a Jessica Simpson open book. I

1849
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 1: don't know what's gonna happen next, and that's one minute. Wow,

1850
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 1: I just can't with And it happened to someone else too.

1851
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:59,800
Speaker 1: It was bb Rexa got like a fucking huge eye.

1852
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:03,679
Speaker 2: Bruce because android it was like someone the guy laughed after.

1853
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:05,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, then you know who. It was Ava Max at

1854
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:09,000
Speaker 1: the Fonda. Someone rushed her and like she essentially got

1855
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:11,080
Speaker 1: like slapped in the face because the fan got so excited.

1856
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:13,559
Speaker 2: It's all of our like bubbling pop girls who are

1857
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 2: like they have their hits, but they're not like a

1858
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 2: dua where it's like.

1859
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 1: It's our bubbling unders.

1860
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, like no one would dare to do those to

1861
01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:20,519
Speaker 2: our girls, and that's so evil.

1862
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 1: Well, you know what was fucked up was like there

1863
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 1: was this idea that like, oh, it's just fans getting

1864
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 1: too excited and like doing things giving give us so

1865
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,680
Speaker 1: much kind and and then I was like no, actually no.

1866
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 1: And Kelsey Valerini actually posted some screenshots of people in

1867
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:37,880
Speaker 1: her comments being like, that's what you get for going

1868
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 1: woke is targeted? I think so I believe. I mean

1869
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 1: people were commenting saying it and that even if those

1870
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:48,160
Speaker 1: instances were not targeted, even if it was a stupid

1871
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 1: fan like being like, let me throw this bracelet on

1872
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 1: stage because I want her to have it. It gives

1873
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 1: people the idea, yea to throw something.

1874
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:58,599
Speaker 2: I'm nervous for Aaron Morris and like they're going after

1875
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 2: the country girls and she is the kissed of them all.

1876
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:04,679
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, it's it's just like getting scarier and scarier,

1877
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:07,839
Speaker 1: especially when you see it happened to four of the girls.

1878
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:10,960
Speaker 1: That is a lot like that's crazy, and then the

1879
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 1: mother's ashes of it all.

1880
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 2: It's like Dave and I remember day days after the

1881
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 2: bb rex A throwing thing was the clip of when

1882
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:21,680
Speaker 2: someone came out in front of her to their mom.

1883
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 2: And what's crazy about that clip is like he says like,

1884
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:26,519
Speaker 2: I'm going to do this in front of you, and

1885
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 2: she literally goes, what are you going to do in

1886
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 2: front of me?

1887
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1888
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:30,519
Speaker 2: Fear, Yeah, she's scared now.

1889
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. Because also it's like me too. That could have

1890
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 1: been anything.

1891
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 2: If a gay person ever says I'm going to do

1892
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:37,280
Speaker 2: this in front of you, I'm running, I'm out of here,

1893
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 2: I'm taking off my leg something I've been fooled before.

1894
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this in front of you could mean

1895
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 1: a lot of things. Yeah, Also, it's just like, as

1896
01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 1: someone who I guarantee there's people out there that want

1897
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 1: to throw things at me.

1898
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:51,880
Speaker 2: It makes me nerv I would throw fun things at you.

1899
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:54,640
Speaker 1: Listen, throw a Roso Donald coushe ball at me.

1900
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 2: Anytime I was right there in your brain, you were

1901
01:20:57,360 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 2: really ready to say that.

1902
01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:00,680
Speaker 1: I thought of what's soft and the first thing that

1903
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:03,600
Speaker 1: jumped out in my fucking little gay brain was Roseod.

1904
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:05,200
Speaker 2: We got a lot of weird day, just like on

1905
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 2: the tip of your tongue, ready to go.

1906
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:09,759
Speaker 1: I think that's what makes me a dynamic podcast host. Okay,

1907
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:12,720
Speaker 1: well listen, okay, if you think that's true. And I

1908
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:15,599
Speaker 1: really do hope that everyone still remained listening to this podcast,

1909
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 1: because it's been a thrilling one.

1910
01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:19,679
Speaker 2: Dollie's still listening, I know that much. I think Dolly

1911
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:21,639
Speaker 2: he almost clicked out when we started to almost read

1912
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:23,120
Speaker 2: her for Dollywood, but we actually.

1913
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 1: Think they're so funny. I love my gay fans. And

1914
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:28,640
Speaker 1: that was my Dolly parton which is, as you just

1915
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 1: evidenced by my impression, will not be my snatch game.

1916
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:35,240
Speaker 2: We'll still on the other side of snatch game. Not

1917
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 2: to compliment you too much for that. Wait, actually I

1918
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 2: have to pause for one second. Was the lip sync

1919
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:42,840
Speaker 2: your idea or did that get suggested to y'all?

1920
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 1: No, so what happens is, oh, you mean the lips

1921
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 1: think that we did during this time? Yes. No, they

1922
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:49,640
Speaker 1: were like, and we think it will be funny if

1923
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 1: you guys did the red you wrote you lip sync

1924
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:54,800
Speaker 1: the entire Roxy Andrews verse. So right, we did the

1925
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 1: entire Roxy Andrews verse and the chorus, and they actually

1926
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:02,479
Speaker 1: only showed the chorus, which to me was like sort

1927
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 1: of the antithis of why I wanted to do it,

1928
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 1: because I was like, what's so funny is that we're

1929
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 1: doing the verse? And I was so happy that any

1930
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 1: of that made in there at all. But we actually

1931
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 1: gave and had choreo for the entire Roxy Andrews verse

1932
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 1: and that's what was left on the cutting rod. How

1933
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 1: long did that? It was their idea?

1934
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:19,640
Speaker 2: How long did they give you to prep this?

1935
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:22,679
Speaker 1: We did it once? Wow, we got it in one take.

1936
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:26,519
Speaker 1: But they told her girls, because you know they shop infessional. Yes,

1937
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:29,719
Speaker 1: but they gave us all day and I'm like dying,

1938
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:33,200
Speaker 1: Like truly, my stomach is die ying. And then we

1939
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:35,400
Speaker 1: went out there and we did turn it. But yeah,

1940
01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:35,800
Speaker 1: that's the.

1941
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:37,400
Speaker 2: Sort of thing I feel right now doing I don't

1942
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 2: think so, honey, like I'm genuinely shaking. I'm scared.

1943
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:43,519
Speaker 1: Don't be scared, because you're made for this, and I

1944
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:45,519
Speaker 1: made I made for this in a macro sense, and

1945
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 1: made from this in a micro sense. You were made

1946
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:47,640
Speaker 1: for this.

1947
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 2: I do have tiger Bomb in my bag, so if

1948
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 2: I start panicking and I grab it, just not ites

1949
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 2: because I've lated my whole life for this moment.

1950
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:55,160
Speaker 1: Anyway, this is miss manis. I don't think so, honey.

1951
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:56,120
Speaker 1: Your time starts now.

1952
01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:59,720
Speaker 2: I don't think so honey. Social media changing and a

1953
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:05,439
Speaker 2: Now I understand we've complained for years about the chronological changes,

1954
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:07,200
Speaker 2: the ad changes. I don't give a fuck. Show me

1955
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:09,960
Speaker 2: the ads. Let me see Porsche's wardrobe from the White Lotus. Come,

1956
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 2: I don't care. What I don't like is that we're

1957
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:16,960
Speaker 2: changing limits. We're adding word counts. Elon musk you siss sissy,

1958
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 2: and I am saying that it's a slur in your case.

1959
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 2: I cannot handle it. I miss the days when every

1960
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:25,439
Speaker 2: social media platform had its own designated thing. I'm tired

1961
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:28,240
Speaker 2: of doing twinner on Instagram. I am tired of doing

1962
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 2: YouTube clips TikTok's rails. I'm sick of it. I'm a

1963
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 2: child of the Internet and I have grown up. Yes,

1964
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:37,520
Speaker 2: I am tired. And you can also.

1965
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:41,000
Speaker 1: Follow me on Instagram and Twitter and TikTok. Fifteen seconds

1966
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:44,800
Speaker 1: has become a plug miss Bette and on TikTok am

1967
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 1: i hate Miss Bennet because somebody took Miss Betty and

1968
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 1: I'm sail that too. Five seconds. I got at that's

1969
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:57,800
Speaker 1: one minute. Oh my god. See the thing is I

1970
01:23:57,840 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 1: love when you started an eighth and it goes to

1971
01:23:59,880 --> 01:24:01,400
Speaker 1: a fifteen and that's levels.

1972
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 2: And the best part about this is I am overheating

1973
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:05,280
Speaker 2: and I'm in the middle of doing like vocal feminization,

1974
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:07,559
Speaker 2: and that undid everything that I've worked on.

1975
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:08,759
Speaker 1: I'm really sorry.

1976
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:11,840
Speaker 2: That's okay, listen, but the thing is over. We don't

1977
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:12,960
Speaker 2: have to take care of towards people hurt.

1978
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:15,800
Speaker 1: Out someone brought up online exactly. It's like back to them,

1979
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 1: We're back in the show.

1980
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 2: I don't think Sony more than two genders like me

1981
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:24,160
Speaker 2: to have that take.

1982
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:26,960
Speaker 1: On the binary is alive. Suddenly, Oh my god. No.

1983
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:28,680
Speaker 1: Someone said the other day they were like, can you

1984
01:24:28,720 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 1: imagine the election like with all these fucking rules in place,

1985
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:34,719
Speaker 1: like can you imagine like when like we actually need

1986
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 1: to be able to share? Because it's like, first of all,

1987
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:39,840
Speaker 1: can I just say, how about this as an idea

1988
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 1: for a social media website, Why don't you put someone

1989
01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:45,840
Speaker 1: in charge who has even one iota of what it

1990
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 1: means to have any social grace at all? This is

1991
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 1: very clearly someone yeah, deeply without any social skills at all.

1992
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:56,400
Speaker 2: Give brettman Rock ownership of Twitter, period. And that's what

1993
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 2: I've always said.

1994
01:24:57,360 --> 01:25:00,360
Speaker 1: You've always been saying that you can be kidding. I

1995
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:01,600
Speaker 1: didn't know about to say it on the pod, but

1996
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 1: I'm here to say it now. I mean this, we'd

1997
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 1: be in better hands. It's just like this is so

1998
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:08,360
Speaker 1: poorly thought out, and the way that he kept being like,

1999
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:11,120
Speaker 1: actually it's eight thousand that you can see, Actually it's ten.

2000
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 1: It's like, crazy, bitch, like ask someone smarter than you,

2001
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:15,320
Speaker 1: and like I get it.

2002
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:18,080
Speaker 2: They want people to pay for the verification, but like, oh,

2003
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:19,520
Speaker 2: we're not paying for the verification.

2004
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:21,760
Speaker 1: How long do you think it has I don't know.

2005
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 2: I feel here's the thing. Twitter used to always be

2006
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:25,720
Speaker 2: my favorite, and I remember it was always on the

2007
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:28,639
Speaker 2: brink of like going away, and I feel like now

2008
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:30,719
Speaker 2: more than ever, it feels like it is truly minutes

2009
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:32,519
Speaker 2: away from it, which breaks my heart because I love

2010
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 2: Twitter and I miss good old Twitter.

2011
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:37,360
Speaker 1: You know, It's like when Twitter was a fun place,

2012
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:39,760
Speaker 1: I really did like it. Then Twitter became an un

2013
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:42,040
Speaker 1: fun place for all the you know reasons, which is

2014
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:43,799
Speaker 1: just like, you know, you can't go on there without

2015
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 1: like someone being negative immediately. Everything nothing translates, like you know,

2016
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:51,840
Speaker 1: that's almost like why I don't have the personal Twitter anymore.

2017
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 1: I just use the lost coach Twitter. I feel like

2018
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 1: I get my like opinions and things across, like on

2019
01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:58,719
Speaker 1: this podcast, and you can literally hear a human voice

2020
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:00,800
Speaker 1: like hint at a joke or like, you know, do

2021
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:03,200
Speaker 1: say whatever the fuck or like give some gray area

2022
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:07,280
Speaker 1: that's not limited to characters. But it's like Twitter could

2023
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 1: be such a fun, little stupid place, and it's so

2024
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:14,840
Speaker 1: toxic and so dark, and now with these limitations, it's

2025
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:19,120
Speaker 1: actually gonna make it even harder to communicate, yeah, because

2026
01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:22,280
Speaker 1: it's just gonna take context away, it's gonna take expanse away.

2027
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:25,800
Speaker 1: It's gonna like literally limit the amount of intake we

2028
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:29,200
Speaker 1: can have, which should be the antithesis of something like

2029
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:31,920
Speaker 1: a social media website where like everyone can get their

2030
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:33,519
Speaker 1: voice across. And that's why it's good.

2031
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:35,120
Speaker 2: It used to be the first thing that I checked

2032
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:36,600
Speaker 2: in the morning. I would literally go to Twitter and

2033
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:38,960
Speaker 2: be like, Okay, what's happening, what's new, what's right going

2034
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:40,479
Speaker 2: on in the world. And now I'm like, you can't

2035
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 2: trust it for that. And also, and this is where

2036
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:45,160
Speaker 2: I start to empathize with like a little bit of

2037
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:47,360
Speaker 2: the Boomer idea of like why don't things have to change?

2038
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:50,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, truly, like I feel like the golden era

2039
01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:53,000
Speaker 2: of social media was when we were able to live

2040
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 2: tweet things. Yeah, but that's like been a dead concept

2041
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:58,200
Speaker 2: for so long. Yeah, because that's not how things appear

2042
01:26:58,240 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 2: in the algorithm. Yeah, it's like I could tweet it

2043
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:02,000
Speaker 2: be completely out of order. And then I also feel

2044
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:03,200
Speaker 2: like it was so fun because you used to be

2045
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 2: able to like access the famous people that you liked,

2046
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:07,800
Speaker 2: or if you're watching a reality TV show that you

2047
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:10,120
Speaker 2: could tweet Tyra Banks and she would respond. And now

2048
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:12,800
Speaker 2: it's like that's not happening. So then it's like, what

2049
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 2: is this for now?

2050
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:17,600
Speaker 1: The way that I've moved over to Instagram like exclusively

2051
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:21,080
Speaker 1: has been pretty wild because there's also the flaws of Instagram,

2052
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:22,639
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There's the thing of like, oh,

2053
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:25,400
Speaker 1: it's like constantly like a visual parade of like the

2054
01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 1: perfected versions of everyone, like no one's actually being real

2055
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:30,559
Speaker 1: like it. It's also not as fun as it used

2056
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:32,479
Speaker 1: to be anymore. And then there comes this thing of

2057
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:35,000
Speaker 1: like when you do get verified in a republic figure,

2058
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 1: there's like all these other things that go into that,

2059
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:39,240
Speaker 1: and like et cetera, blah blah blah. You feel like

2060
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:44,240
Speaker 1: heady about it. But at least I feel like if

2061
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:47,160
Speaker 1: I want to find what someone is doing or saying,

2062
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 1: I know how to do it right. Where it's like

2063
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 1: Twitter just feels like a jumbled mess. It has the

2064
01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:54,479
Speaker 1: same like people that you don't even follow your snea,

2065
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:55,679
Speaker 1: which is what I hate.

2066
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:58,840
Speaker 2: It has the same interface ideas like scruff have you

2067
01:27:58,880 --> 01:27:59,479
Speaker 2: ever heard.

2068
01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:03,719
Speaker 1: I'm unfortunately like I've never did my tone to scruff.

2069
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 1: I'm kind of only exclusively been a grinder girling.

2070
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:10,240
Speaker 2: I've downloaded both before to try them both, and I

2071
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:12,599
Speaker 2: just tried them both, like I just trying, I.

2072
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:15,599
Speaker 1: Try it all. I just tried to trysexual. Yeah, I'll.

2073
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:22,559
Speaker 2: Es, oh my god, when you're sucking is ball, I know.

2074
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:24,880
Speaker 2: And the thing about Scruff that always blew my mind,

2075
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:28,920
Speaker 2: because that's what we're talking about now, is it has

2076
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:32,559
Speaker 2: like really I think a better selection of men in

2077
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:37,840
Speaker 2: your singles in your area, but the interface is absolutely batshit.

2078
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:41,679
Speaker 2: And that's how Twitter is becoming. Twitter is the Scruff

2079
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:44,800
Speaker 2: to Instagram's grinder. And if there were one SoundBite that

2080
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:47,280
Speaker 2: I hope you get from this, I hope it's well, that's.

2081
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:50,040
Speaker 1: Going to be People magazine, that's going to be the poll. Hello.

2082
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:52,640
Speaker 1: Like last week we did that episode with Kelly and

2083
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:55,519
Speaker 1: what the media chose to pull was Kelly Clarkson opens

2084
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:58,679
Speaker 1: up about antidepressant use. Love that, and for you, it's

2085
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:01,320
Speaker 1: going to be that I Scruff is the Instagram to

2086
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 1: grinder Twitter.

2087
01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 2: I'm so brave for coming out and saying that.

2088
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:06,760
Speaker 1: You've been brave this whole time. And I want to

2089
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:08,880
Speaker 1: just really commend you, and I want to say I

2090
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:11,439
Speaker 1: appreciate you and adore you for showing up in your

2091
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:15,160
Speaker 1: brave truth on lost Culturista to speak real truths to

2092
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:20,760
Speaker 1: power about the fucking pop culture landscape, about app landscape.

2093
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:22,719
Speaker 2: I do love that I've come on here and said

2094
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:25,759
Speaker 2: nothing about anything to do with transitioning, but said everything

2095
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 2: about being a Top Model fan.

2096
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 1: Being on the app, that's last coach, baby, that is listen,

2097
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:31,240
Speaker 1: We're here to be honest.

2098
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:33,240
Speaker 2: All of those things point to transitioning. I'm here to

2099
01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:34,760
Speaker 2: tell you right now that if you watch Top Model

2100
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:36,120
Speaker 2: as a kid and want to be one of the girls,

2101
01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:37,120
Speaker 2: your day is coming.

2102
01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:40,639
Speaker 1: Well, just to touch on that, I was so proud

2103
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:42,800
Speaker 1: of you about the Time magazine thing and you that

2104
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:46,559
Speaker 1: was beautiful and we're talking about you know, representation and

2105
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:48,040
Speaker 1: like throwing it all the way back to you know,

2106
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:50,360
Speaker 1: the glee of it all, and I would say, like,

2107
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:56,040
Speaker 1: what a beautiful and what a lovely evolving world we

2108
01:29:56,080 --> 01:30:00,360
Speaker 1: are in that the youth and the kids can watch

2109
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:03,559
Speaker 1: Glamorous and see you. You're such a star. I'm so

2110
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:05,840
Speaker 1: proud of you, and I'm so proud to know you.

2111
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:07,679
Speaker 1: I'm so proud to be a part of the project

2112
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:10,800
Speaker 1: that has you as the star of it. Glamorous is

2113
01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:13,640
Speaker 1: streaming now on Netflix. You can watch all the episodes.

2114
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:16,160
Speaker 1: Listen to the ep Swelter because we didn't get into it.

2115
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:17,960
Speaker 1: But our girl was also a recording artist, and I'm

2116
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:21,880
Speaker 1: also gagged that you wrote and produce this yourself. Yeah,

2117
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:24,680
Speaker 1: that's amazing, Thank you so much, And I'm just like

2118
01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:26,840
Speaker 1: so blown away by you and you have to come back.

2119
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:29,280
Speaker 1: But when Bowen is back, I want us all three

2120
01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:31,160
Speaker 1: to raw Rob because like you're.

2121
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:32,559
Speaker 2: And I'm building this story that me and Bowe have

2122
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:34,280
Speaker 2: beef and that's why he's not here today exactly. I

2123
01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:36,439
Speaker 2: can't wait to like further develop that well.

2124
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:38,679
Speaker 1: As a result of the beef, Bowe needed to take

2125
01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 1: a extended hiatus from the.

2126
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:43,400
Speaker 2: Podcast, and I want to say that I'm also just

2127
01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:46,400
Speaker 2: so busy flying, shooting Wicked and shooting SNL and coming

2128
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:49,240
Speaker 2: to LA to do my podcast. Like I totally sympathize,

2129
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 2: and it's hard when you're this books like me and Bone.

2130
01:30:53,720 --> 01:30:57,120
Speaker 1: Blessings to all and miss Benny's in the moment, And

2131
01:30:57,160 --> 01:31:01,639
Speaker 1: we do end every episode with a song was flying

2132
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:08,760
Speaker 1: first Class, up in sky, drinking sapin living life in

2133
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 1: the first line. I don't know what vocal choice this is,

2134
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:16,240
Speaker 1: but I won't change. Bob Glamour is Ooh the flowersy

2135
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:18,479
Speaker 1: Flower said, if you want to hear that song listening

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Speaker 1: to Fergie's album The Duchess or go on the roller coaster, Hollywood, Ripride,

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Speaker 1: Rocket and Universal Studios Florida, where you're allowed to choose

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Speaker 1: a song as you write on the roller coaster, and

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Speaker 1: that is one of the options. Hell yeah, hell yeah.

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Speaker 1: Bye