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Speaker 2: It's spooky and jooky.

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Speaker 1: I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming this way.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, Hey, I'm said by Runs Dress.

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Speaker 1: Hey boo, it's me Ros Dress Fleas. How are you

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Speaker 1: guys doing? Is everybody safe? Does everybody taking good care

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Speaker 1: focusing not just on your physical health, but your mental

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Speaker 1: to take your mind off of the news and because

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Speaker 1: that certainly is scary. And let me tell you, I

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Speaker 1: know a thing or two about spookin as, so hopefully

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Speaker 1: I can give you guys a little something to divert

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Speaker 1: from all of the scary, scary news that's going on

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Speaker 1: right now. But you know, in many ways things are

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Speaker 1: looking up, so that's good as well. So today I

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Speaker 1: can give you a break and talk about ghosts. And

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Speaker 1: I have also done some many episodes you might have

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Speaker 1: noticed in the feed. I did many episodes Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: talking about all kinds of random stuff. I'm staying a

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Speaker 1: little bit on brand this go around. Of many episodes,

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Speaker 1: I did some well. On Monday, I talk about two

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Speaker 1: of my favorite shows that are new, which is Cursed

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Speaker 1: Films on Shutter, which is a new series about films

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Speaker 1: about spooky stuff, and you went on today, I've got

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Speaker 1: this email came from Amanda. She says, when I was

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Speaker 3: thanks Amanda for sending me that story. Those are I've talked.

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Speaker 1: About that on the show before, those kinds of stories

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Speaker 1: How are you doing in this quarantine?

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Speaker 4: Rus I've been better, but I'm healthy and here and everything.

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Speaker 2: What about you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm doing. I mean, I feel so grateful that

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Speaker 4: Anywhere taking any drives, any drugs, No drives.

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Speaker 1: Is it like ghost town vibes.

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Speaker 2: You know, it just made me. I don't know, it

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Speaker 1: But wait, I want to talk to you about ghosts.

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Speaker 2: Sure, that's what this is all about.

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Speaker 1: Right, So you're in your beautiful home, which I've had

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Speaker 4: I wasn't because I'm very sensitive to that stuff and

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Speaker 1: Have you because of that, had like a bunch of experiences,

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Speaker 2: And read the energy, you know, and if something's weird or.

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Speaker 1: So what's like your ghost experience? What's what's the first

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Speaker 4: Well, there's time that I had like a proper, proper

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Speaker 2: Those things are in different places.

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Speaker 4: The Oxford School of Drama used in the summertime, used

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Speaker 4: It was sixty five High Street in Oxford, England.

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Speaker 4: It was this huge kind of like dormitory ish building

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Speaker 2: Know the history of the place.

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Speaker 4: But when you went in there was there was a kitchen,

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Speaker 2: And I was.

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Speaker 4: Assigned to that top floor with my roommate, a girl

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Speaker 4: I guess in an old, tiny building, like maybe it was.

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Speaker 2: Like a maid's quarters or the service thing whatever. I mean.

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Speaker 2: I was real jet lagged.

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie when I first got there, and

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Speaker 2: And I can't remember.

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Speaker 4: Specifically if I had any initial vibes or or reservations

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Speaker 4: But what then ended up happening over the like four

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Speaker 4: the girl of Vanessa and then the two girls that

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Speaker 4: I would say, like weird stuff, you know, like things

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Speaker 4: weirdly under the bed. Why would it be under the bed? Okay, whatever, Fine,

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Speaker 4: maybe I was drunk.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: We were hitting the pubs hard, is all I'm gonna say.

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Speaker 4: We're eighteen and we were in.

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Speaker 2: You know, England, and then.

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Speaker 4: There we had Okay, so you have to Rozie have

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Speaker 4: to understand too, this was like what ninety summer of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like the summer of ninety eight. So

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Speaker 2: just sorry to take you that far back. You weren't

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Speaker 1: But when were you on Dawson's Creek? I thought that

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Speaker 2: Two thousand one, two thousand and two, two thousand and three.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay.

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Speaker 2: It ended in two.

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Speaker 4: two years. I did the pilot of Freaks and Geeks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah too, Yeah, I did.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I did the pilot of Freaks and Geeks in

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Speaker 4: the spring of ninety nine and it aired.

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Speaker 2: It started airing in the fall of ninety nine, So yeah, right,

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Speaker 4: Spring of ninety nine and then it aired ninety nine,

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Speaker 4: right right right, So anyway, so back to the Ghost

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Speaker 4: So then, oh, so we had a tape recorder. We

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Speaker 4: were doing like all these weird voice exercises, and we

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Speaker 1: So we would do you use any of that stuff

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Speaker 4: I use all of it, all of it now.

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Speaker 2: But it was super fun and like, uh, you know,

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Speaker 4: And I wasn't a kid, like I wasn't a rich

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Speaker 2: That was like that. And it was real fun. You know.

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Speaker 4: We had a time, and the classes were weird, and yeah,

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Speaker 4: most of them just felt like bullshit. I mean, we

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Speaker 4: were doing like Shakespeare and Chaucer and yeah, breathing stuff

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Speaker 5: So so so I just I hold on to it.

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Speaker 4: So we would bring these tape recorders to class to

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Speaker 2: Little yeah, like a little tape deck.

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Speaker 4: Thing in our room, and it started doing like I mean,

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Speaker 1: It was your voices, right, yes.

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Speaker 4: And we were getting like progressively creeped out and like, oh,

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Speaker 2: Like ran out of the room. Okay.

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Speaker 4: One night I was in my bed and Vanessa's bed

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 4: And she was like yeah, what what do you want?

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Speaker 4: And she's like busy and I was like what's happening?

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Speaker 4: And she's like wait, where are you. I'm like I'm

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Speaker 2: And she's like what, who's on my bed?

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Speaker 1: God?

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Speaker 4: I was next to the light and I like got

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Speaker 2: And she was freaking the fuck out.

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Speaker 4: Because she basically felt someone come sit down on her

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Speaker 1: It was me. That's the worst.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and then she says she like moved her knees

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Speaker 4: she was like what, Like that's when she kind of

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Speaker 4: was louder and when I was like louder and said Vanessa,

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Speaker 4: what are you do? You know whatever, and turned the

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Speaker 1: Did she say like what did like did it sound

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Speaker 2: No, she didn't. She didn't say that they were talking.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: She didn't say that they were talking back. No, the

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Speaker 4: energy was very male. I'm telling you, No, it was

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Speaker 4: mostly like mostly it was just like that was scary,

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Speaker 4: and the taper carder is kind of scary. Mostly it

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Speaker 2: We freaked out. We like slept with the light on. Whatever.

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Speaker 2: The next day we went down and we talked.

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Speaker 4: We're talking to the girls in front of the bathroom,

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Speaker 2: It had been we'd been there like two weeks.

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Speaker 4: We had we'd probably like two weeks left to go

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Speaker 4: or something. This didn't sound weird. Have things been going missing?

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Speaker 4: Have you been losing things or things?

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Speaker 2: What's happened?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 4: We've been experiencing all this weird stuff. And they're like,

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Speaker 4: we were all talking about it, I was like, who

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Speaker 4: the fuck is this goes?

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Speaker 2: They need to get the fuck out of here. And

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Speaker 4: They had those kinds of pull down blinds, you know,

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Speaker 4: every single one in the girl's bedroom flipped up at

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Speaker 2: Started like around on the on the like curtain rod.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's such a horror movie scene.

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Speaker 4: Yes, but like four of them and we all screamed

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Speaker 2: We're like boys, we're smoking or whatever, and we're.

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Speaker 5: Like and and I think that I did some thing,

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Speaker 4: I'm from LA Like, just please be chill. I can't

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Speaker 2: And that's when I was like.

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Speaker 4: All right, ghosts, like you really need to leave us

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Speaker 2: Her out whatever?

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Speaker 1: So were you pretty like tough with that kind of stuff?

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Speaker 1: because that's not where I come from, Like, yeah, I

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Speaker 4: Well we had no choice a but also be you know,

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Speaker 4: stuff with Vanessa was the only stuff that was like

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Speaker 1: You never know.

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Speaker 4: A ghost is weird. You don't know what a ghost

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Speaker 4: I don't know, and he wasn't interested in me, which

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Speaker 4: you know I could take personally, I guess, did you, but.

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Speaker 2: But you know, yeah, it's just whatever.

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Speaker 4: It seemed fine, okay, there's a coda to the story,

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Speaker 4: which is wild. Many years later, I want to say

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Speaker 4: I don't I don't even know if I know anyone

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Speaker 4: Where did you s sixty five High Street? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: so where did you live? And he's like, well, if

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Speaker 4: you walk in, you know how there was like the

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00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 4: living room in the kitchen, and then there were like

443
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 4: these two weird rooms above. Did anyone live in those rooms?

444
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 4: And I was like, no, you're fucking with me. I

445
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 4: lived in that room. And he's like, how is the ghost?

446
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 4: I was like, are you fucking kidding me?

447
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 2: And he's like, yeah, the ghost is famous, Like that's

448
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 2: the ghost. The ghost lives there. And he had stories

449
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 2: of like the ghost taking.

450
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 4: The ghost was obsessed with his Doc Martins and like

451
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 4: would take his shoes always and like move his shoes

452
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 4: and like hide them. And one time he found them

453
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 4: literally like basically like in the ceiling like inside, you know,

454
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 4: like he had like moved just like totally insane things.

455
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 4: And yeah, that was like that was when I truly

456
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 4: was like.

457
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,360
Speaker 2: Full body shivers. I was like, I can't believe. But also,

458
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 2: what are the chances that you know, five years.

459
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 1: What was the address again?

460
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 2: I think it was sixty five High Streets. When I'm

461
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 2: almost look, oh.

462
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 1: My god, I wonder if there's anything on the Internet

463
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: about who that ghost is.

464
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 4: Oh my god, ros I've never even thought to google.

465
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 4: Sometimes there were things that happened pre proliferation of Internet

466
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 4: and Google search. Then it becomes just like a thing

467
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 4: that you talk about or whatever, and you don't ever

468
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 4: think to like look the person up on the Internet

469
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 4: or Facebook or you know what I mean.

470
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, sure, I mean I think the longer the

471
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 1: longer you spent in a world where that wasn't a thing,

472
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: it probably doesn't come like you know, like that's most

473
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: like my entire adult life. You just google things.

474
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 4: Hey, by the way, your girl has the best memory

475
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 4: of all time. Sixty five High Street, Oxford, England is

476
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:52,719
Speaker 4: the Stanford House.

477
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: Boom, oh my god. Yeah, and I'm looking there's like

478
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: a you can look at it on Google Maps. It

479
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: looks cool.

480
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 2: It is cool.

481
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: Okay, wait tell me another.

482
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 4: So then a couple of years later, I was cast

483
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 4: on Dawson's Creek, which films in Wilmington, North Carolina. And

484
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 4: you know, if you've ever spent any time in the South,

485
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 4: I mean the South and the North East are just

486
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 4: very haunted, you know what I mean, Like most people,

487
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:31,239
Speaker 4: I grew up in Arizona, where everything's brand new, you know,

488
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 4: nothing was built before like nineteen eighty and like yeah,

489
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 4: and like this house. I've been lucky in La. My

490
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 4: houses have all had really good energy and luck. You know,

491
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 4: not too many sad actresses haunting my houses, I guess.

492
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 2: But to anyway, I.

493
00:27:55,359 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 4: Wilmington has a lot of ghosts, feel like you know,

494
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 4: as the South does. I couldn't sleep in Wilmington like ever.

495
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 4: It was really really uh there was something about it,

496
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 4: like downtown Wilmington was just energetically really bad for me.

497
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 2: And when I first went there.

498
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 4: They put us up in this old hotel, and yeah,

499
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 4: I just had a lot of just feelings like it

500
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 4: just was just bad stuff and I couldn't quite place it.

501
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 4: Then it became clear that I was like definitely staying

502
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 4: as a regular, like new character, and so I had

503
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 4: to get an apartment because they weren't going to pay

504
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 4: to put me in this hotel forever. So I found

505
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 4: a house that was near downtown. I everybody else in

506
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 4: the cast lived out at the beach, but I was like,

507
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 4: I mean, to be totally honest, it was just too

508
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 4: expensive for me at the time.

509
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 2: You know, I was.

510
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 4: Like like a struggling actress. You know, this is like

511
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 4: post freaks and yeeks. But I just wasn't making a

512
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 4: ton of money. So I was looking for something like

513
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 4: a little bit cheaper, and I wanted to be able

514
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 4: to walk downtown where I could get food and go

515
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 4: out drinking and not have to drive. I mean, this

516
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 4: is pretty uber pre taxis I don't know, anyway, it

517
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 4: seemed to make sense. So I found this big, old,

518
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 4: like kind of Victorian house that had been split up

519
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 4: into four apartments, two downstairs and two upstairs, and a

520
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 4: couple owned it, and they seemed really lovely and someone

521
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 4: that somebody knew on the production crew.

522
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 2: I think.

523
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 4: Knew one of the other tenants, if I remember correctly,

524
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 4: I think. So it seemed like a good I don't know,

525
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 4: it seems like a good choice.

526
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: It was also just like it was available.

527
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 4: And I didn't know how to really do anything at

528
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 4: that point, Like I just wasn't a human really yet,

529
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 4: you know, like I was a kid basically, And and

530
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 4: so I rented the bottom floor apartment. It had two

531
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 4: bedrooms and a really big kitchen and then a living room.

532
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 4: And the thing that was like a little bit weird

533
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 4: was that it had two entrances, Like so they had

534
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 4: split the house into four apartments, but you could go

535
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 4: in the big beautiful front door of the house, and

536
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 4: then and there was like a stairway up you know,

537
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 4: and there were like the two doors up there that

538
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 4: you could enter into the apartments there, or there were

539
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 4: two doors downstairs, and mine was to the left and

540
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 4: then to the right there was another one. Okay, And

541
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 4: you know, I have to say like when I moved

542
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 4: when I moved in, I don't I don't know, like

543
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 4: I don't remember if I felt anything weird. I just

544
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 4: remember the whole experience for me was very isolating and

545
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 4: lonely and kind of sad.

546
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 2: So I felt like this is as good as it gets. Like,

547
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: I don't know, I just felt like it was.

548
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 4: Just it was what it was, and I was just

549
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 4: gonna suck it up and it was gonna be fine,

550
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.

551
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, And were you like shooting every day or what

552
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: was your life like? Were you spend a lot of

553
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: time in there?

554
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 4: I was shooting a fair amount, I would say, but

555
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 4: I was no, But I had a lot of time off,

556
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 4: but not enough time to fly back to Los Angeles,

557
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 4: where like my boyfriend and my friends and you know,

558
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 4: everybody that I knew and loved was you know, So

559
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 4: there was a lot of time that I feel like

560
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 4: I was just kind of on my own and yeah,

561
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 4: and it was just really it was.

562
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 2: It was kind of lonely.

563
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 4: Like Michelle and I became really good friends there, but

564
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 4: you know, she at a certain point had got a boyfriend.

565
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 2: And then at some point I could never sleep. I

566
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 2: don't I don't even know what to tell you. It

567
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 2: was like something was bad.

568
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 4: It was just bad, and and shit started happening, and

569
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 4: then it was like I had to just get I

570
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 4: had to get real drunk in order to fall asleep,

571
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 4: like I couldn't. I couldn't be I could not be

572
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 4: sober like I was.

573
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 2: Just it was. It was like a dark time.

574
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: And you definitely think it was because of the place

575
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: you were living.

576
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, well so, so I would hear walking in the

577
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 4: hallway in that shared hallway, like a heavy walk, like

578
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 4: someone is being weighed down, you know what I mean.

579
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 4: And it would happen really late at night, like three

580
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 4: in the morning, like three or four in the morning.

581
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 4: So even if I had fallen asleep, I would be

582
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 4: woken up A lot of times. I called the police,

583
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 4: like multiple times, like yeah, thinking that there was somebody

584
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 4: like in the hallway. Oh, because this is what I

585
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 4: had forgotten to explain to you. So there was We

586
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 4: had the like those that front entrance, but the owners

587
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 4: of the place like preferred not to use it, and

588
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 4: they preferred for people to use the back from Like

589
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 4: there was like a parking lot out back that would

590
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 4: have been like a backyard or something, but they just

591
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 4: turned it into like a parking area for the tenants.

592
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 4: And and uh, they preferred people to just use their

593
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 4: back entrances.

594
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 2: Which is what everybody did. So everybody just kept the.

595
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 4: Front entrance door like locked the big one, and then

596
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 4: nobody used those like front doors.

597
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 2: Am I making sense?

598
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, but how many people would you say, we're

599
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 1: living there?

600
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing.

601
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 4: It's like, I think that it was supposed to be, like,

602
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 4: you know, there were four apartments, and when I when

603
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 4: I rented agreed to rent the place, I the people

604
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 4: that were like the owners were living upstairs, and then

605
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 4: there was someone living next door to me, and I

606
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 4: think there was one empty. But then if that person

607
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 4: next door to me like moved out, and then it

608
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 4: felt like I think the people that owned the house

609
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 4: like had a beach house, and so they would be

610
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 4: out at the beach house.

611
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 2: A lot, you know. Okay, So then I was like essentially.

612
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: On my own, and those people never said to you,

613
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: like just say you know those place is haunted, yeah,

614
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: which I think is an asshole move. I mean, I

615
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 1: get it, you're trying to look for tenants to pay

616
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 1: the rent, but like, come on, you gotta say something.

617
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 2: Hey, I think I just found it.

618
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 4: So anyway, so I would hear this like walking and

619
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 4: then it sounded this is gonna be crazy so I

620
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 4: would like sneak out of my bedroom like as quietly

621
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 4: as I could and go to where that door was,

622
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 4: not the door that went out back, but like the

623
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 4: door that went to the shared hallway, and I would

624
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 4: listen for obviously like whatever it was, you know, if

625
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 4: it was the grave, I'm not fucking around. I want

626
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 4: to know what I was up against, you know what

627
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 4: I mean. So, so a couple of nights this happened

628
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 4: where it sounded like, Okay, I'm just gonna do it.

629
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 4: I'm wearing I wonder if you can hear me. It

630
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 4: sounded like someone wearing.

631
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 6: Like yeah, fully, guys, fully, artist, listen, we all have

632
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 6: to explore a new career, careers right now.

633
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 4: So it sounded like to me it was a woman,

634
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 4: and it sounded like she was wearing like a heeled

635
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 4: boot or something like that.

636
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: And then I started hearing the crying.

637
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 4: Oh, and it was just like a soft cry, like

638
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 4: someone who was like crying distantly, and it was real

639
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 4: fucking creepy.

640
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 2: It was terrifying actually.

641
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 4: And and at one point I remember thinking that I

642
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 4: had heard like sort of like.

643
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: Chains, did you open the door?

644
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: No? I was never that brave. I looked through the

645
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 2: little people. I had a little people. I didn't see anything,

646
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 2: but you knew it was a ghost, like in your heart. Yes, yes,

647
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 2: I knew it was a ghost. I knew it was haunted.

648
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 4: I was like I always felt like I was being watched,

649
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 4: like I was always being watched, and I became like

650
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 4: I mean truly, it was a descent into madness for me.

651
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 2: That like living in.

652
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 4: That house, like I was getting so drunk just to

653
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 4: fall asleep, and I just was like terrified, like a

654
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 4: like one hundred percent of the time terrified. And I

655
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 4: tried to find somebody to live with me and no

656
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 4: one couple of like no one. I didn't have anybody,

657
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 4: don't really know anybody. And then my roommate from college, Diana,

658
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 4: came out and stayed with me, and she was going

659
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,720
Speaker 4: to stay with me till the end of the year,

660
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 4: like the end of the shooting season, and then she

661
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 4: there was like she had a personal tragedy and she

662
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 4: had to leave.

663
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Speaker 2: It was just like a very bad vibe.

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Speaker 4: And it was this thing like whatever it was, and

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Speaker 4: I always thought, like I tried at the time. I

666
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 4: remember trying to look into it, like I'm going to

667
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 4: solve this mystery of this house and who this like

668
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 4: weeping woman who would be walking the halls between three

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Speaker 4: and four in the morning is But I never could

670
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Speaker 4: figure it out and I couldn't really like and I didn't.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I remember trying to commune with that ghosts

672
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 4: as well and just say to her like I'm sorry

673
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 4: you're in so much pain, but like that's not my journey,

674
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 4: you know.

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Speaker 2: But like but it weirdly did become my journey, like

676
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Speaker 2: I was it like it was.

677
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 4: It was not a good It was not a fun

678
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 4: loving Oxford, England like prankster.

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Speaker 1: It was was it like every single night.

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00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 2: No, I mean the feeling it.

681
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 4: Depended like if I could, if I could get if

682
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 4: I could drink enough to pass the fuck out, if

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Speaker 4: I could.

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Speaker 2: I tried moving bedrooms. I tried like sleeping in the

685
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Speaker 2: other bedroom. It didn't work.

686
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Speaker 4: I didn't know what to do. And again I was

687
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Speaker 4: like a kid. That was like, I mean, I wasn't

688
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 4: a kid, but I was twenty one, twenty two, and

689
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Speaker 4: I just sort of was like didn't really know how

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00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 4: to do anything kind of in a weird way. Twenty one,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean, you're just learning, Like if

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Speaker 4: I were now. I mean one hundred percent. If I

693
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 4: like showed up on location like night one, I would

694
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Speaker 4: be like, Oh, this isn't going to work for me. Sorry, bye,

695
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 4: like you know, and I would have gotten out of

696
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Speaker 4: it and moved. But I had signed a lease agreement,

697
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 4: like I and I was I was like lucky to

698
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 4: be on that show, and I didn't want to have

699
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 4: any problems, you know. I didn't want to be a

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00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 4: problem and cause the production to like have to try

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Speaker 4: to get me out of the lease. I don't know,

702
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Speaker 4: I just I just was like, I'm just going to

703
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 4: suck it up. I'm just going to take it. And

704
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:31,280
Speaker 4: you know, I probably it would do things differently now,

705
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 4: but like as a twenty one, twenty two year twenty

706
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Speaker 4: three year old, I sort of was just like I

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Speaker 4: don't know, I just went with it. I just went

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Speaker 4: with the depression of it and yeah, and it was

709
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Speaker 4: really it really pulled me into this like crazy dark

710
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Speaker 4: depression and weird space and it was just not health

711
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,240
Speaker 4: it was not good. And toward the end of the season,

712
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 4: so after Diana had to leave and move back to

713
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Speaker 4: La or San Diego. Actually, weirdly, a person did like

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00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 4: a couple did move in downstairs, and then it got

715
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 4: a little bit better. But I feel like whatever it

716
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 4: was was alone and was a woman and was really

717
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 4: really sad and had a connection to me, like like

718
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 4: some sort of something with me and wanted me to

719
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 4: either like know the pain, feel the pain, be aware

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Speaker 4: of the pain, which I did, I fully, fully, fully did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it sounds like it sucked.

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00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was parable and so then and so then

723
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Speaker 4: obviously I never I did not rent that house the

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Speaker 4: next season the following year, and it was just a

725
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 4: wholly different experience, Like it was so much better not

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00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 4: living in that house.

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Speaker 1: To hear more about this time, I should be, uh

728
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Speaker 1: right now on Amazon ordering your book.

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Speaker 4: Actually, but you know what, I was just going to say,

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Speaker 4: I don't think I put the ghost story in the

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Speaker 4: book because I felt like that would just it was

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00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 4: just going to conflate things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I did cut it out because you know.

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Speaker 4: A little bit sometimes then you get into a ghostory

735
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 4: and people are like, oh, all right, roll, you know hi,

736
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Speaker 4: roll not.

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Speaker 1: On this podcast, not here, But it did.

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Speaker 4: It was definitely like it was a part of the

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00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 4: thing that was like driving me like slowly crazy there,

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00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 4: you know, I was I was so lonely. Maybe that

741
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 4: was it too, Like you know, you think about energy, right,

742
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 4: like maybe there are some spirits that just like they

743
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 4: fucking sense the energy of the person and they show

744
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 4: up accordingly. And and I think, like I was just

745
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 4: giving off just.

746
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 2: A real.

747
00:42:56,239 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 4: Sad, lonely girl energy, and then this ghost was like,

748
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 4: have I got something for you?

749
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 1: I'm the drag girls together, drag some chains and weep

750
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Speaker 1: softly and.

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00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 4: Like walks turn of the century high heels, and like, yeah,

752
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 4: I know, it felt to me like in my head,

753
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 4: she was a woman wronged.

754
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 2: And maybe murdered. I don't know.

755
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Well, do you want to hear some

756
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: ghost voices?

757
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 2: Sure? And then I gotta go get my kids dinner?

758
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, all right, it's kind for EVP or

759
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: ev plice. Have you ever heard of an EVP? No? Okay,

760
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: it's electronic voice phenomenon. It's when ghost hunters capture the

761
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: voice of a ghost speaking.

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00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 2: Okay, sure, sure, yeah.

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00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: I go to YouTube and I find EVPs and then

764
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Speaker 1: I have my guests guess what they think the ghost

765
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 1: is saying, or what they think the ghost hunter thinks

766
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 1: the ghost of saying.

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00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 4: Got it?

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00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: So this one is from Arizona. It was posted on

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Speaker 1: YouTube by someone named dell Cha two thousand and five,

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Speaker 1: and it's in a remote mining community ghost town in

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00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: central Arizona. They did not specifically say where.

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00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 2: Oh wait, wait, which one?

773
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: What is it? What is it?

774
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: Where is it?

775
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 3: What?

776
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 4: Huh?

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00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. It doesn't say specifically. It says a

778
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: remote mining community that's in a ghost town in central Arizona.

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00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 2: Oh my god, we what have you been that place?

780
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 4: There is this like ghost town that's like a mining

781
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 4: town in central a z that I that has the

782
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 4: cree be as fucking hotel that's super haunted.

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00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: Not cool. This appears to be some like old looking house. Okay, anyway,

784
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: let's try to figure out what this ghost is saying.

785
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: So they're trying to figure out what the ghost name is,

786
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: and then this is what it says. Could you hear it?

787
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 2: I mean no, it sounded like it was like rama.

788
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: Wait, let's hear it again.

789
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 2: What that just sounds like somebody in a restaurant. I

790
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 2: don't I mean what, I don't understand.

791
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: I know it's kind of hard over the phone here.

792
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 1: I'll give you some options. Is it a regardless regardless.

793
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: Is it B, it's Jarvis, It's Jarvis. Is it C.

794
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: I'm harmless to you guys. Or D it's Arles in charge?

795
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Jarvis, it's Jarvis.

796
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: That's what they say. It's Jarvis. Okay, wait, here's one more.

797
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: This one's quick and it's really scary sounding, so be warned. Okay,

798
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: so this person, their name on YouTube is Muttley Crew.

799
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a dog thing Muttley Crew, Okay,

800
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: they said. I went to the top of Mount Eldin

801
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: in Flagstaff, Arizona, to overlook the city and check out

802
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: the haze from the huge Wallow wildfire. I took several

803
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: video clips and still shots looking down at her flagstaff

804
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: and out to the east where the fire is burning

805
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: out of control. I was really surprised to hear this

806
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 1: particular clip, which was only less than two seconds long.

807
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,720
Speaker 1: I did not edit the length of the original clip. Okay,

808
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 1: what is this scare demon sounding boys saying? Did you

809
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: hear that?

810
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't like it.

811
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: I don't like it either, only I want to.

812
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:26,720
Speaker 2: Shut the what shut the man? Ah?

813
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 1: Sure, sure A. My shoes are big, b stupid bitch.

814
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: See shoot the rabbit or d Susie the pig. I

815
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe there was a pig named Susie. I

816
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: don't know.

817
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 2: Shoot the man.

818
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: I think it's they think it's shoot the rabbit.

819
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 2: No, it's you know, it's shoot the man. If it's

820
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 2: anything to shoot the man.

821
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: Yes, is that an option? No, but I think that

822
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: actually does some more like it.

823
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 2: Blame.

824
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's an evy police. Okay, Busy, thank

825
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: you so much for taking the time to do this

826
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: with me.

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00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 4: Yes, I love you. And also and quarantined. What else

828
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 4: have I got to do?

829
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: I know, well, hey, at least you're not in the

830
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: haunted house.

831
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 2: I know that's good. We can look at the bright side.

832
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 1: That's one thing.

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00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

834
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, like, yes, that's terrifying now that I'm thinking about it.

835
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 1: Oh no, no ghost ladies with high heels walking through

836
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: your hallways. No, oh thank god.

837
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 4: All right, honey, just me, just me late at night,

838
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 4: crying softly wearing heels.

839
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 2: That's actually yeah, same. Oh.

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00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: I just love Busy Phil, and I'm very honored that

841
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: she was able to take the time to record this

842
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: with me. So that was fun. And don't you guys worry.

843
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: I am continuing to record interviews with people, and thanks

844
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: to Starburns Audio and everyone there that is working so

845
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 1: hard to make sure that we're still getting podcasts out

846
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: to you guys, and thank you to you guys for

847
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:30,240
Speaker 1: still listening. I really appreciate it. So yeah, like always,

848
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: you can find me on Instagram Roz dress Fuls. I'm

849
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 1: on Venmo Queen Roz. You can find our Facebook page

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00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 1: ghosted by Ro's dressful As. If you happen to have

851
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: the ghost story, that's a great place to leave it.

852
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: Or you could leave it in a five star review.

853
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: You know, it really helps if you leave five star

854
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: review or just rate the podcast five stars, or just

855
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: you know, if you don't have a ghost story, just

856
00:49:54,680 --> 00:50:00,919
Speaker 1: write something nice. And guys, I love you all, both

857
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 1: living and dead. But if I didn't ask you to

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Speaker 1: haunt me, don't haunt me. Okay bye.

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