WEBVTT - Why do some people believe the moon landings were a hoax?

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There is

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck Britt. Why you tickled, Josh? I'm just you know

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<v Speaker 1>exactly why things take place and transpire before the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>starts recording, true, and we just bring it exactly and

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes we bring it laughing. It's a rainbow kind of

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<v Speaker 1>world out there. So Chuck, let's talk about whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not we landed on the moon. I have no intro

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<v Speaker 1>for this one. Let's just get into it. Okay, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go to town. There are people that think that

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<v Speaker 1>we did not land on the moon in nine that

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<v Speaker 1>is true, and actually there is a guy who worked

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<v Speaker 1>for oh, I don't remember. Maybe the rocket Dine Systems

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<v Speaker 1>rocket Dine Systems, which I believe it's a private, private

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<v Speaker 1>aerospace contractor UM. A guy named Bill Casing UH he

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<v Speaker 1>wrote technical publications for that company, and in UH he

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<v Speaker 1>calculated nine He calculated there was a point zero zero

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<v Speaker 1>one four percent chance of landing a man on the

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<v Speaker 1>moon and returning him safely home. He was wrong. Ten

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<v Speaker 1>years later we had been on the moon returned him

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<v Speaker 1>safely home, we think, or yeah, or did we UM?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think we should take a conspiratorial tone. I

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<v Speaker 1>also don't think we should take pot shots at the

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<v Speaker 1>crackpots who think this. So what are we going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about? Well, I think we can discuss the merits

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<v Speaker 1>of this stuff. In my opinion, skepticism goes both ways, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Skepticism is always focused on the people who question reality,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that's I think that's BS. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's plenty of times where you can question

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<v Speaker 1>what's what's being VEGGI Yeah, So I'm I'm big on that. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>And if I was around in nineteen nine, I probably

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<v Speaker 1>would have um, you know, not probably about in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>SI you would have been woodstock the whole ship bang

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<v Speaker 1>maybe So yeah, so um, all right, let's get down

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<v Speaker 1>to it. All right, let's do it. Do you want

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<v Speaker 1>to tee off? Uh? Yeah, um, Like we said, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people, well I don't know how many, but

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<v Speaker 1>there was a conspiracy theory going around still is today

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<v Speaker 1>that we never landed on the Moon. And there are

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<v Speaker 1>quite a few points that people make to try and

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<v Speaker 1>back this up from the footage of the moon landing,

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<v Speaker 1>and they basically think it was staged for the purposes of, um,

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<v Speaker 1>making the Russians so disheveled at the fact that we

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<v Speaker 1>got to the Moon before they did that they would

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<v Speaker 1>scrap their program and just say, you know, the Americans

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<v Speaker 1>are so far ahead of us because they're already on

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<v Speaker 1>the moon and we can't do that. Well, not just

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<v Speaker 1>that now, chinal pride as well, like you know, back

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<v Speaker 1>in the in the sixties. This is like at the

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<v Speaker 1>height of the Cold War, and basically the Soviet Union

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<v Speaker 1>and the United States spent much in political and actual,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, financial capital to make one another look bad.

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<v Speaker 1>It was pretty much the role of each of these

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<v Speaker 1>nations that the world was polarized, and what better way

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<v Speaker 1>to make the other one look like jackass than by

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<v Speaker 1>beating him to the moon. There's the space race. Yeah, um,

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<v Speaker 1>so I see that the theory behind this, this whole thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, Kennedy said, in what nineteen sixty we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to put a man on the moon, And by

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty nine we had that is enormous, Like, we

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<v Speaker 1>had no moon landing program right by then, We've been

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<v Speaker 1>shooting satellites into space and we had men who had

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<v Speaker 1>orbited by then. But within nine years we actually landed

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<v Speaker 1>somebody on the Moon. Right, And this is nineteen sixties

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<v Speaker 1>technology too, so it's not I mean, today it would

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<v Speaker 1>seem like that would be the hardest thing in the

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<v Speaker 1>world to do, but back then it was just unheard of. Right. Okay, So,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, most of the bones of contention that

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<v Speaker 1>people used to pick this idea apart um are are

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<v Speaker 1>based on the footage, correct of you know, there's actual

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<v Speaker 1>evidence here saying you know what, what what's going on?

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<v Speaker 1>What does this explain this? Right? There's five main points

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<v Speaker 1>that are generally brought up in this discussion. There's actually

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<v Speaker 1>a few more, but yeah, in this article there, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's five are our esteem colleague John Fuller waited

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<v Speaker 1>through the muck the muck and picked out the best ones,

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<v Speaker 1>polished him off. There you go, let's talk about him. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the first one. Well, the first one that I'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to mention is actually not the first one. The

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<v Speaker 1>first one I'd like to mention is the quote unquote

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<v Speaker 1>sea rock is in the letter C. Yeah. Have you

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<v Speaker 1>seen the C rock? Yeah? I looked up a picture

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<v Speaker 1>today and uh, basically, there's a rock in the foreground

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<v Speaker 1>of a photo and the shot is of one of

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<v Speaker 1>the astronauts walking away from camera towards the lunar rover,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a big moon rock in the foreground that

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<v Speaker 1>looks like it's got a very clear letter C on it.

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<v Speaker 1>It is clearly a C. It's clearly I mean, it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't look like some sort of aberration or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just it looks like the letter C carved into it,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe like stamped with like metal and a chisel

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps something like that. But it definitely looks like a C.

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<v Speaker 1>I would agree with you, And so, of course, theorists,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not going to calm conspiracy theorist's calm theorists. Theorists

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<v Speaker 1>think that this could be a prop, like a stage prop,

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<v Speaker 1>that was marked. You know, moon Rock Cy put it here,

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<v Speaker 1>Moon rock By put it there, and then it just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of got by the camera department who was filming

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<v Speaker 1>this big hoax. And I like that you you put

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<v Speaker 1>that one first, because this one, in my opinion, has

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<v Speaker 1>the weakest explanation from the scientific community in NASA for

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<v Speaker 1>that C on that rock spill it. And that is

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<v Speaker 1>basically that there was a hair on the lens or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that that had to do with UM when

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<v Speaker 1>the photo was taking it. That's not really a C.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a hair or scratch. It doesn't look anything

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<v Speaker 1>like a hair or scratch. It looks like clearly it

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<v Speaker 1>looks like a cue. That that is definitely one UM.

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<v Speaker 1>One that I like is the the different shadow lengths. Correct,

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<v Speaker 1>have you seen pictures of them with the different shadows

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<v Speaker 1>have not their wildly varying in length, And there's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they're there guys standing next to one another on the Moon,

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<v Speaker 1>but and then one shadow is ten ft long the

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<v Speaker 1>others is forty. So I guess the the the basic

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<v Speaker 1>basic idea behind this is evidence that there the moon

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<v Speaker 1>landing was faked, is that um, there was some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of faulty studio light. Yeah, Like, the basic idea is

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<v Speaker 1>that this is all done on a sound stage. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, this one is actually the weakest argument

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<v Speaker 1>for the moon landing being fake. Uh. The first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>the moon is not a flat, smooth surface. It's very

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<v Speaker 1>rock and dusty, and it has all sorts of features

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<v Speaker 1>to it. Uh. And anybody who has ever stood, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>on a along a desert or something similar to the

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<v Speaker 1>moon and seen their shadow, they've noticed that the shadows

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<v Speaker 1>don't always act the same way. Um. And what's more,

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<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, if NASA was actually going to go

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<v Speaker 1>to the trouble of faking a moon landing, they would

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<v Speaker 1>have noticed this, and they wouldn't have released it with

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<v Speaker 1>with the with the with the shadows like that badly off.

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<v Speaker 1>That's my big point. As a matter of fact, they

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<v Speaker 1>probably would have gone the other way and and the

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<v Speaker 1>shadows would have looked uniform or something like that, right exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>That's my point. This is ninety nine. This wasn't like

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<v Speaker 1>n you know, they were actually making I looked up

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<v Speaker 1>films that released in nineteen sixty nine, and you know

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<v Speaker 1>some really good movies you got French connection was that

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<v Speaker 1>sixty nine. No, like Putch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid

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<v Speaker 1>that that kind of thing. But anyway, some really good

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<v Speaker 1>movies and filmmaking an advance to the point where they

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<v Speaker 1>could have easy easily gotten someone to make the shadows

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<v Speaker 1>match and light it properly, and that they wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>had some cracked team of like you know, interns out

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<v Speaker 1>there filming the moon landing. You know, so I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>That didn't hold water with me. Well what's your what's

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<v Speaker 1>your next best argument or a Well, I'm gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>ahead and skip over to um the American flag. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people um seem to notice that when they're

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<v Speaker 1>putting the flag up that it appears to flap in

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<v Speaker 1>the breeze. Of course, this is on the Moon. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no atmosphere, so there would be no breeze. Uh. But

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<v Speaker 1>what they say, what the government says, is is that

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<v Speaker 1>this was a special flag. And actually I didn't know this.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like a dummy. It's got a wire running

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<v Speaker 1>across the top of it, which is why it hangs

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<v Speaker 1>uh square, Otherwise it would just hang motionless. Right, So

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<v Speaker 1>when you have a flag with like a taught wire

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<v Speaker 1>and you're putting it up. It's it's gonna move around

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more, and it's not gonna look like

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<v Speaker 1>a regular flag. So it's not, in fact the breeze blowing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just you know, by virtue of the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>I had a wire running through it. Right. And as

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<v Speaker 1>Fuller points out, if they if they had created a

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<v Speaker 1>sound stage UM and filmed it like this and and

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<v Speaker 1>the wire wasn't in there, they would have had to

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<v Speaker 1>have created a vacuum in it, which would have been

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<v Speaker 1>really difficult. Another part of that that has to do

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<v Speaker 1>with that vacuum sound stage that would have been virtually

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<v Speaker 1>impossible to do UM is the dust that's being kicked

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<v Speaker 1>up right when they walk. When they walk or when

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<v Speaker 1>the lunar rover is tires the tires are spinning. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not so much in a piece of evidence,

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<v Speaker 1>but in an explanation or something that people have noticed

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<v Speaker 1>is that supposedly it's it's kind of clouding UM and

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<v Speaker 1>and apparently it hasn't. It doesn't cloud at all. The

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<v Speaker 1>dust is kicked up and it runs its course in

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<v Speaker 1>that thin atmosphere and then falls back down. And so

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<v Speaker 1>that that kind of actually proves that this thing either

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<v Speaker 1>was filmed in the sound stage, within a vacuumized sound stage,

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<v Speaker 1>or on the moon. Acca Trazer would actually kind of

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<v Speaker 1>suggest the vacuumized sound stage, I think at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>But still, well, they can create an entire vacuum a

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<v Speaker 1>sound stage, but they can't light it properly. Is that

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<v Speaker 1>that's a great point, Chuck, Come on, that's a great point,

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<v Speaker 1>and that kind of reveals what's going on with this.

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<v Speaker 1>This is never going to be resolved to everyone's satisfaction.

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<v Speaker 1>I think. I think people enjoy kind of poking at

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<v Speaker 1>one another on this. Yeah, like making NASA scientists respond

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<v Speaker 1>like they don't have anything else today. Yeah. The fact that, um,

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<v Speaker 1>they could never have pulled this off though they can't,

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<v Speaker 1>They couldn't have duped the entire scientific community all over

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<v Speaker 1>the world. Not only that, yes, Russia as well, Like

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<v Speaker 1>you would drink if Russia would go public with this

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<v Speaker 1>faster than you could say, lick it split. Um, there

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<v Speaker 1>is somebody has actually explained that as well. UM. Supposedly

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<v Speaker 1>right after the moon landing, UM, a guy named Ralph

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<v Speaker 1>Renee points out that UM, the US or did sending

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<v Speaker 1>very secret humanitarian aid massive amounts of grain to the

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<v Speaker 1>Soviet Union very quietly. Um, And basically that we wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>normally do that through our normal policy. We had no

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<v Speaker 1>reason to send them humanitarian aid. They were our greatest enemy.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're doing it secretly. And if we were doing it,

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't we have said, hey, you know, we're we're helping

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<v Speaker 1>out our our enemy because we're all humans. That kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing, right, wouldn't have been more public. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a tenuous argument, but it's something to chew over.

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<v Speaker 1>Right said, they could have kept the Russians quiet. To that, Josh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm starting to you're starting to win me over, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>you are. But you said one reason that that this

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing would have been fake, the moon laning would

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<v Speaker 1>have been faked, was um, because of of the space

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<v Speaker 1>race the Cold War? What about money? Well, true, it

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<v Speaker 1>would have cost a lot a lot of money to

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<v Speaker 1>put in. In fact, did cost a lot of money

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<v Speaker 1>to put someone on the moon. From from nineteen fifty

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<v Speaker 1>eight to UM ninth or two thousand and eight, by

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<v Speaker 1>my by my calculations, NASA has gotten about fifty billion

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<v Speaker 1>dollars in change and funding over those over the fifty

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<v Speaker 1>year period. That's a big slush fund. If you think

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<v Speaker 1>about it, is it's just like you have no money

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<v Speaker 1>to account for any longer. It's in space. That's our bailout,

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<v Speaker 1>right now, Why isn't this settled? Think about this. We're

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<v Speaker 1>going into space all the time. True. The reason why

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<v Speaker 1>is that the last we went to the moon. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>another explanations that it served as a distraction for the

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<v Speaker 1>Vietnam War, right right, America is like, well, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to the moon, you know, forget about the American soldiers.

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<v Speaker 1>They are dying over there and actually suspiciously. Um, the

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<v Speaker 1>last time we landed on the moon was V two,

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<v Speaker 1>towards the end of the Vietnam War, and then all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, if you look at NASA's funding year

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<v Speaker 1>by year, it drops in half for about a decade

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<v Speaker 1>until it started up again in the eighties when you

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<v Speaker 1>and I were very interested in it as youngsters. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So does the tail wag the dog, Josh, or just

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<v Speaker 1>the dog wagged the tail? I don't. I can't answer that.

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<v Speaker 1>But speaking of wag the dog, um, if it was faked,

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<v Speaker 1>think about how many people were greased by the CIA

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<v Speaker 1>right after They play their role as like a production

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<v Speaker 1>assistant or a director or something like that and killed,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean killed waxed. Yeah, but again, why why why

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<v Speaker 1>isn't this salt? So we stopped going to the moon

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<v Speaker 1>or stopped landing on the moon after women back. But

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<v Speaker 1>we have sent some you know, uh, lunar orbiters around

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<v Speaker 1>the Moon with really great cameras. So why don't we

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<v Speaker 1>just say here is the lunar lander, dummy, and here

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<v Speaker 1>are the footprints, dummy. Why why you know, why aren't

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<v Speaker 1>we doing that? You know why? Because it's it's not

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<v Speaker 1>worth the money to do that, right. No, they're actually

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<v Speaker 1>going around the Moon and they're act they're they're taking

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<v Speaker 1>photos of the Moon's surface and they're going over it.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem is the the camera resolution, which are these

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<v Speaker 1>incredible cameras are still not picking up They don't have

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<v Speaker 1>the resolution to pick up these objects. On the sound,

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<v Speaker 1>it does sound a little shady. So we'll see. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a few out there right now. India has the Chan

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<v Speaker 1>Drayon I believe is the Pronunciation orbiter. Japan has the

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<v Speaker 1>cagu Ya orbiter. My Japanese is rusty sound, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the US is the Lunar Reconnaissance orbiter. They're all orbiting

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<v Speaker 1>the Moon right now, and they all possibly have good

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<v Speaker 1>enough cameras to send back photos of the Apollo moon landings.

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<v Speaker 1>Well hopefully that happens one day. Yeah, so you can

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<v Speaker 1>just put this to bed once again. I still think

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<v Speaker 1>people will just say, well, they fake those. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a good point. We've got India in there in

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<v Speaker 1>our pockets. So that's it. Uh, well, not quiet. You

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<v Speaker 1>want to oh no, you got to. No, you have

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<v Speaker 1>reader mail, so you want to let the moon landing

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracy one just kind of peter out a Moment's okay,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, Listener mail times, listener mail time. Johsh I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna call this one exceptional fan mail, as I like

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<v Speaker 1>to do. Nice. Now, is this this isn't stuff we

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<v Speaker 1>should have known? No, no, no, this is an actual,

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<v Speaker 1>uh really kind of a cool story from Ben in Ontario, Canada.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're gonna remember this one, Josh, is a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy listened to our exorcism podcast and uh I

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<v Speaker 1>was talking about a positive possession, of beneficial possession, and

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<v Speaker 1>he has a story about himself and I'm gonna summarize this.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Ben night. Uh he Ben says, eleven years

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<v Speaker 1>ago he was in a bad bicycle accident and UH

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<v Speaker 1>came between two busses and was hit by a car

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<v Speaker 1>he was winning in high school. He says, it is

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<v Speaker 1>a bad bicycle X. Yeah, he said he was fully

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<v Speaker 1>conscious afterwards, even though I went over my handlebars and

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<v Speaker 1>hit my head on the hood of the car. I

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<v Speaker 1>was fully aware of the situation and what happened. But

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<v Speaker 1>he was told he was completely coherent the ambul us

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<v Speaker 1>in in the e r with the nurses, even okay

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<v Speaker 1>with his parents. When he brought him home several hours later,

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<v Speaker 1>they put him to bed and thirty minutes later he

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<v Speaker 1>woke back up and didn't remember any of it, and

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<v Speaker 1>it took him a full hour to even find out

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<v Speaker 1>what had happened to him. So Ben says, I believe

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<v Speaker 1>during this short time that I was actually possessed by

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<v Speaker 1>the Egyptian god Horace. H O r U s Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's the one with the dog's head. If

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not mistaken, I think so okay. So he was

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<v Speaker 1>possessed by Horace or an ancient priest from the temple

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<v Speaker 1>of Horace. Uh that this took control of him and

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<v Speaker 1>kept his brain from shutting down and having more damage

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<v Speaker 1>than it did. I know there are other medical explanations

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<v Speaker 1>as to what happened. Heavy impacts can cause a short

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<v Speaker 1>term memory to wipe out, et cetera. However, this is

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<v Speaker 1>the belief that I have about it, and it's backed

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<v Speaker 1>up to me by the fact that is where it

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<v Speaker 1>gets good by About two years later, he went to

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<v Speaker 1>an optometrist and he found marks on the lower outer

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<v Speaker 1>edge of his eye is and there are similar marks

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<v Speaker 1>and paintings of the eyes of Horace. And the doctor

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<v Speaker 1>could not explain this. You've never seen it before and

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<v Speaker 1>could not explain how it happened. So maybe I'm just crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>but and I know some people think that, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>what I believe happened to me. And then I wrote

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<v Speaker 1>you back already. We don't think you're crazy. We think

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<v Speaker 1>that anyone that thinks they had this whole big cosmic

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<v Speaker 1>soup figured out doesn't know what they're talking about, and

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<v Speaker 1>that who knows, you could have very well been possessed

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<v Speaker 1>by Horace as far as I know, And that's a

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for sharing your story, Thanks for thanks for opening

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<v Speaker 1>up for us, Ben and um anybody else you'd like

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<v Speaker 1>to do the same, Whether or not you believe yourself

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<v Speaker 1>to have been possessed by a benevolent spirit or so

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