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Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There is

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Speaker 1: Chuck Britt. Why you tickled, Josh? I'm just you know

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Speaker 1: exactly why things take place and transpire before the stuff

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Speaker 1: starts recording, true, and we just bring it exactly and

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Speaker 1: sometimes we bring it laughing. It's a rainbow kind of

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Speaker 1: world out there. So Chuck, let's talk about whether or

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Speaker 1: not we landed on the moon. I have no intro

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Speaker 1: for this one. Let's just get into it. Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's go to town. There are people that think that

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Speaker 1: for oh, I don't remember. Maybe the rocket Dine Systems

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Speaker 1: aerospace contractor UM. A guy named Bill Casing UH he

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Speaker 1: wrote technical publications for that company, and in UH he

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Speaker 1: calculated nine He calculated there was a point zero zero

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Speaker 1: moon and returning him safely home. He was wrong. Ten

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Speaker 1: years later we had been on the moon returned him

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Speaker 1: safely home, we think, or yeah, or did we UM?

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Speaker 1: I don't think we should take a conspiratorial tone. I

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Speaker 1: also don't think we should take pot shots at the

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Speaker 1: crackpots who think this. So what are we going to

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Speaker 1: talk about? Well, I think we can discuss the merits

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Speaker 1: of this stuff. In my opinion, skepticism goes both ways, right,

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Speaker 1: Skepticism is always focused on the people who question reality,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's I think that's BS. I think

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Speaker 1: what's what's being VEGGI Yeah, So I'm I'm big on that. Actually,

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Speaker 1: And if I was around in nineteen nine, I probably

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Speaker 1: maybe So yeah, so um, all right, let's get down

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Speaker 1: to it. All right, let's do it. Do you want

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Speaker 1: to tee off? Uh? Yeah, um, Like we said, a

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Speaker 1: lot of people, well I don't know how many, but

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Speaker 1: there was a conspiracy theory going around still is today

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Speaker 1: that we never landed on the Moon. And there are

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Speaker 1: and they basically think it was staged for the purposes of, um,

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Speaker 1: making the Russians so disheveled at the fact that we

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Speaker 1: that now, chinal pride as well, like you know, back

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Speaker 1: height of the Cold War, and basically the Soviet Union

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Speaker 1: and the United States spent much in political and actual,

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Speaker 1: It was pretty much the role of each of these

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Speaker 1: But still, well, they can create an entire vacuum a

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Speaker 1: and that kind of reveals what's going on with this.

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Speaker 1: This is never going to be resolved to everyone's satisfaction.

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Speaker 1: I think. I think people enjoy kind of poking at

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Speaker 1: They couldn't have duped the entire scientific community all over

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Speaker 1: is somebody has actually explained that as well. UM. Supposedly

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Speaker 1: Renee points out that UM, the US or did sending

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