1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:00,360 Speaker 1: Tried. 2 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 2: It's a bucking Fits takeover of two pros and a 3 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 2: cup of Joe on Fox Sports Radio. He's Buck Rising, 4 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:08,399 Speaker 2: I'm Jason Fitz. The people give rejoice. Buck has finally 5 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 2: put pants on. So that's where this day has started 6 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 2: and how things have gone. If you're just tuning in, 7 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 2: it's been that kind of a weird morning so far. 8 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 3: We're gonna be with you through the whole show. Hanging out. 9 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 2: Look, I want to get your thoughts Buck on one 10 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,639 Speaker 2: of the biggest matchups happening this weekend, and it's the 11 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 2: Ravens and the Steelers Sunday Night Football. 12 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 3: We were talking a little bit about what it. 13 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 2: Means for these teams, but also there's just enough noise 14 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 2: that won't go away around Lamar Jackson that I'm just 15 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 2: trying to figure out what makes sense now for anyone 16 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 2: that doesn't remember. About a week ago, the Baltimore Sun 17 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 2: put out a column from one of their riders that 18 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 2: had a bunch of stuff in it about Lamar falling 19 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 2: asleep in meetings and the organization not being happy with 20 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 2: how many video games he plays, all sorts of conjecture 21 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 2: on it. 22 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 3: He was asked about it when he spoke. 23 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 2: To reporters about the fact that he's going to play 24 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 2: this weekend, and he said, do you think but let me. 25 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 3: Fall asleep in meetings? That's his quote. That's crazy. I'm 26 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:04,919 Speaker 3: right in front. It's just noise. 27 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 2: He also dismissed the notion that there are issues between 28 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 2: the quarterback and the coaches. Quote, I don't know where 29 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 2: the noise came from. This all just feels so weird, Buck, 30 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 2: Like when you have a two time MVP could have 31 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 2: been a three time MVP depending. 32 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 3: On how you felt about last year quarterback. 33 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 2: Most of the time, what you know at that point 34 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 2: is everything's absolutely perfect and sunshine and roses, and the 35 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 2: team's gonna do whatever it takes for the quarterback. The 36 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 2: quarterback is going to do whatever it takes for the team. 37 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 2: We're used to that kumba yah. I don't know why 38 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 2: there's so much noise around Lamar Jackson. It just feels 39 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: like every couple of years we end up with some 40 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 2: sort of whisper that becomes a yell from some random 41 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 2: quotes about Lamar and the Ravens in their future together. 42 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, but think about think about what can you think 43 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 4: of FITZI and we don't have to, you know, I 44 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 4: don't want to sit there and ask you a question 45 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 4: that you have to think about and kill time and 46 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 4: dead air on radio. But what's the difference between Lamar 47 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 4: Jackson and damn near every other player in the NFL 48 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 4: with the way that business is done. 49 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 3: Oh, he doesn't have an agent. 50 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: Lamar represents himself. 51 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 4: And Lamar is in a situation where when there is 52 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:16,399 Speaker 4: media messaging, that happens and there always is and you're 53 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 4: trying to figure out, all right, did the Baltimore Sun columnist, 54 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 4: which is, by the way, it's the primary newspaper, Like, 55 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 4: that's where the noise is coming from? 56 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to look around and ask where 57 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 1: the noise is coming from. 58 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 4: It's coming from the main newspaper, the main publication in 59 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 4: the city that has the Baltimore Ravens. Okay, And I'm 60 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 4: not saying that that makes them the most credible subject 61 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 4: or the most credible resource on all things Baltimore Ravens. 62 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 4: But it's not something to just dismiss. Is what's just noise. 63 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 4: I don't know where the noise is coming from. No, 64 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 4: somebody decided that in the city at Baltimore, they were 65 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 4: going to go to one of the biggest outlets and say, yeah, 66 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 4: this guy plays video games too late at night, and 67 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 4: he's not doing the things that he should be as 68 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 4: far as his diet goes, and he's not totally locked 69 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 4: in on the stuff that he needs to be locked 70 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 4: in on. That's where the noise is coming from. But 71 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 4: the difference between Lamar and Damn near every other player 72 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 4: in the NFL. And I'm not saying that he has 73 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 4: to absolutely must have an agent or some level of representation, 74 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 4: because I know he does have some level of advisors 75 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 4: around him to help him navigate this process. But the 76 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 4: agency part of it, the representation part of it, can 77 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 4: sometimes serve as a buffer for trying to get your 78 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 4: point across. If you're an organization that's trying to message 79 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 4: to a player, and if you don't think that the 80 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 4: messaging is going the way that you need it to, well, 81 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 4: sometimes you can make it a little bit messy. Now 82 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 4: the quote we don't know specifically whether this stuff that 83 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 4: was leaked to the Baltimore Sun is coming directly from 84 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 4: inside the Ravens organization. Again, we've had this conversation in 85 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 4: some form or fashion the last couple of weeks since 86 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 4: you and I have been filling in the idea that 87 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 4: I don't know who it benefits to have it out there, 88 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 4: because it doesn't make the Ravens look good either. It 89 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 4: doesn't make John Harbaugh look good, it doesn't make Lamar 90 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 4: Jackson look good. I don't know who benefits from having 91 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 4: this information out there other than the idea. And this is, 92 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 4: you know again, I'm just grasping at straws here. I'm 93 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 4: speculating could somebody leak this to the Baltimore Sun to 94 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 4: try and get fans in a mode a mindset to 95 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 4: prepare them for some kind of consequential offseason move involving 96 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson, which by the way, still doesn't make sense. 97 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 4: And I don't know how it's even possible because he 98 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 4: has a full no trade clause in his contract. So 99 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 4: this is one of the more difficult issues to kind 100 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 4: of parse Lamar Jackson's circumstance because there is no go between, 101 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 4: there is no middleman between his organization and him. He's 102 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 4: just having to deal with this, and they are having 103 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 4: to deal with this as directly as Jerry Jones and 104 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 4: how he negotiates contract in ways that contracts in ways 105 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 4: that he gets all kind of flag for and by 106 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 4: the way, I think Dearry doubled down on that again 107 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 4: this week, the idea that he's still just going to 108 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 4: deal directly with players as opposed to negotiating through agents. 109 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 4: I guess that's his right, but it does leave for 110 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 4: a lot more mess out there in the ether. And 111 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 4: while I know fans, you know, it's not the most 112 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 4: important thing to keep fans happy, as far as like 113 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 4: the mess made around their team. I wouldn't want to 114 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 4: actively antagonize Lamar Jackson. I'm not saying that you have 115 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 4: to completely, you know, treat him and coddle him to 116 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 4: a certain extent if you're the Ravens, but I don't 117 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 4: think that I would be. I would want even the 118 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 4: optics of, oh, they got a bone to pick with 119 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 4: me here, and they're going to do it through the media. 120 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: That doesn't seem right. 121 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 2: All of this just feels so disjointed with Lamar because look, 122 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 2: one of the arguments people will make is, well, he's 123 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 2: injury prone. He missed his games, so I mean, they're 124 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 2: gonna have to figure something out because you can't trust 125 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 2: him to play games. He played seventeen games last season, 126 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 2: so I know this year he's missed some time. The 127 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 2: year before he played sixteen games. So if you look 128 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 2: at the last three years as a body of work, yeah, 129 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 2: a couple of years before that he only played twelve games. Okay, 130 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 2: I mean we're still talking about out of his entire 131 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 2: career as a starter. His rookie year he wasn't the 132 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 2: primary starter. Since he became the starter, he missed one 133 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 2: game two years. 134 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 3: Oh gosh, that's really hard. I mean, what are we 135 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 3: talking about here. 136 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 2: We're sounding these alarms, which is what we do constantly 137 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 2: with Lamar, and it doesn't make a lot of sense. Hell, 138 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 2: even I was on radio for ESPN at the time 139 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 2: when he was going through his negotiations to try and 140 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 2: get a guaranteed contract, and people had stupid things to 141 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 2: say about his injury then. 142 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 3: And there were plenty of people that were saying, oh, oh, 143 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 3: he's playing this thing up. 144 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 2: He doesn't want to play because this is all part 145 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 2: of his negotiating tactic, which if you talk to any 146 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 2: of the people like at the time, you know, I 147 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 2: would talk to Stefania Bell, who covers injuries for ESPN, 148 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 2: and she was the one that would sit there and 149 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 2: say no, no, no, this is all pretty normal, but 150 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 2: nobody wanted to hear that. 151 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 3: So now even with the back contusion. 152 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 2: That you know, the minute Harbaugh called it a bruise 153 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 2: and everybody's like, wow, it's just a bruise. Bang, He's 154 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 2: just you know, this is another Lamar versus the Ravens thing. 155 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 3: Well, why why do we immediately. 156 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 2: Jump to the conclusion that there's some nefarious action between 157 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 2: team and player all the time in this one relationship, Like, 158 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 2: name me another MVP caliber quarterback in the NFL that 159 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: is Lamar's age, that is accomplished, what he's accomplished, that 160 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 2: doesn't feel like it's kumba ya all the way, Like 161 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 2: we'll desperately find ways to keep Burrow and the Bengals together, 162 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 2: even if we say, oh, man, Burrow's got to get 163 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 2: out of there because they're never gonna win enough games. 164 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 3: We know in our heart of. 165 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 2: Hearts, Burrow ain't going anywhere, right, Josh Allen. They don't 166 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 2: give him enough talent, they don't surround him with the things. 167 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 3: But we know that, Josh Allen, Like, why. 168 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 2: Is Lamar the one NFL player we are treating like 169 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 2: it's the NBA where every single week we have to 170 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 2: decide that Yannis is gonna leave the Bucks. I'm as 171 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 2: exhausted with Giannis as leaving the Bucks as I am 172 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 2: with Lamar and the Ravens are headed for divorce because 173 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 2: this constantly gets talked about and none of it ever 174 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 2: feels real. 175 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 4: I think the Ravens are also an organization, and I 176 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 4: I only have this perspective because and I think you 177 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 4: also have somebody that you work with at Yahoo that 178 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 4: is a diehard Ravens fan. My my EP on the 179 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 4: Local show is a die hard Ravens fan, die hard 180 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 4: Ravens Ravens fan who is in a situation where Lamar 181 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 4: Lamar is the prince that was promised right, So anything 182 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 4: done that looks like it even remotely slights Lamar or 183 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 4: feels antagonistic of Lamar like what my Ravens guy for 184 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 4: lack of a better term, and how to describe him. 185 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 4: I asked him his reaction to the Baltimore Sun piece, 186 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 4: and his immediate response was anything the Baltimore Sun writes 187 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 4: about the Ravens feel slanted against the Ravens and was 188 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 4: like not like screwing around, like not just half saying that. 189 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 4: He said, no, they they have a bias in which 190 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 4: they cover the Ravens, And I don't know that specifically, 191 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 4: I would be inclined to I would be inclined to 192 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 4: not think that everything that the Baltimore Sun puts out, 193 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 4: the paper of record in Baltimore puts out, would be 194 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 4: slided against the Ravens. 195 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,479 Speaker 1: But isn't that, like in fact's how the fans perceive it. 196 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 3: Isn't that the same thing that Titans fans say about you? 197 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 3: You cover the Titans, and like every time I see 198 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 3: on your social. 199 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 2: Media, everybody thinks you hate the Tennessee Titan, Like this 200 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 2: is a weirdness in the way, and I ideal it. 201 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 3: We'll do with this all the time. 202 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 2: Like I'm lucky enough, and I do mean lucky, Like 203 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 2: I started all of this journey because of my fandom 204 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 2: for the Raiders. I have become friends over the years 205 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 2: with some of the people that have covered the Raiders 206 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 2: for the Athletic and some of the people to cover 207 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 2: the Raiders locally. And when you see what fans say 208 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 2: about like every single writer that isn't sunshine and roses 209 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 2: about everything until the team's not good, and then that 210 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 2: writer has to immediately turn the page and become fire everybody. 211 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 2: Fans no longer want reporting on their favorite team. Fans 212 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 2: want confirmation of their emotions with their favorite team. 213 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 4: I that's well to some extent, Yeah, there is that 214 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 4: out there in the universe. Like I don't think people, 215 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 4: you know, I don't think fans are banging the banging 216 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 4: the table for you know, hardcore down the line, big 217 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 4: jay journalism anymore. 218 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: Like I don't think people really care that way. 219 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 4: I will also say, and again, I don't know the 220 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 4: nature of the Baltimore Sun's coverage. 221 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: I read this piece. 222 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 4: It's an opinion column with information reported stuff being mixed 223 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 4: into it. That is also kind of skewed the way 224 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 4: that I think fans perceive the coverage of their team. 225 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 4: Because FITZI, I started as a beat guy, but now 226 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 4: I'm as much an opinion guy as I am a reporter. 227 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 4: Right I do a talk show. I give opinions on 228 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 4: the talk show. We're we're doing a national talk show 229 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 4: right now. You and I do opinion stuff for Fox 230 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 4: from on the weekend. So it's it's kind of skewed 231 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 4: where I don't just do straight this is what happened 232 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 4: in the game today, This is who's. 233 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: Out, this is who's in Like, I don't. 234 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 4: I don't just do that anymore, right, I do a 235 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 4: variety of different things, and so because I also offer 236 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 4: opinions based on my perspective as somebody who covers the team, 237 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 4: people will then take that opinion and be like, well, 238 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 4: you just hate them, when in reality, I do hate 239 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 4: some of the things that they do. 240 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: I hate bad football. 241 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 4: They play a lot of bad football here in Tennessee 242 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 4: of late I think that the reason that they play 243 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 4: a lot of bad football is because their organization has 244 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 4: been has been. Doesn't mean that they can't change and 245 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 4: learn from the behavior, but it's because it's been poorly 246 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 4: run and they've made a lot of bad choices since 247 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 4: being one of the most competitive teams in the AFC. 248 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 4: I think that's fair commentary on the team. But I 249 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 4: do understand the fans who gripe about the idea of well, 250 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 4: that's just your opinion, yeah, but it's an informed opinion. 251 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 4: What the Baltimore Sun is doing here is offering you 252 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 4: information and then surrounding it with opinion. I understand why 253 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 4: that's hard to parse. I don't know if fans actually 254 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 4: care that way, but it does kind of muddy the waters. 255 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 4: As far as how fans perceive coverage to some extent 256 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 4: their I still don't think it gives them the excuse 257 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 4: to say to just throw their hands up in the air, 258 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 4: ignore the information that's being provided to them, and say, well, 259 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 4: you just hate the team. You don't know what you're 260 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 4: talking about. And when the team starts to when the 261 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 4: team starts to turn, like cam Ward for example, I'll 262 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 4: just again, I'll bring it through my prism. I've been 263 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 4: very critical of cam Ward. My whole position has been 264 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 4: I expect more. He's not just another rookie quarterback. He's 265 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 4: the number one overall pick. I reserve the right to 266 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 4: have a higher standard for the guy that's supposed to 267 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 4: change the franchise's fortune. Even if I completely and totally 268 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 4: understand that the franchise he's been dropped into is a 269 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 4: hot mess okay, and he's having to work up hill 270 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 4: on a lot of fronts, I still would like for 271 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 4: him to play better. And then he starts to play better. 272 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 4: Here in the last month, nobody's watching Titan games. I am, like, 273 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 4: you know, just being having my eyes held open, and 274 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 4: you can't look away. 275 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: You're not allowed to look away. It's my job. I 276 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: cover every game. 277 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 4: I'm gonna be in Jacksonville tomorrow to cover their season 278 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 4: finale again. It's the Mighty Jaguars, and that'll be great, 279 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 4: if for no other reason, to have the regular season 280 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 4: just over at this point in time. But cam Ord's 281 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 4: starting to play better, and so I've started to comment 282 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 4: on the idea that cam Ord's starting to play better, 283 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,959 Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden, the feedback from fans become, oh, 284 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 4: now you want to jump on the bandwagon, Now you 285 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 4: want to now you want to praise guy. 286 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 1: Don't don't change it up? 287 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 4: Is some of the don't don't change up, or are 288 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 4: some of the commentary that I've gotten on social media whatever, 289 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 4: And I'm like, no, I'm allowed to adjust the analysis 290 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 4: of what he's doing in real time if his performance 291 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 4: on the field starts to improve, Like that is the 292 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 4: point he's not playing well enough, let's talk about it. 293 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: Once he starts to play better, now let's talk about that. 294 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 4: But that's not how That's not how we have kind 295 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 4: of shaped the discourse around not just sports. 296 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you could say this is politically this You could. 297 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 4: Say this about basically any subject matter, anything that anybody 298 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 4: has an opinion on. 299 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: Ever in any walk of life. 300 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 4: This is kind of how we've shaped things in social media, 301 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 4: created an even bigger echo chamber to that effect where 302 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 4: it makes it almost impossible to get through to people. 303 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 2: By the way, at the home depot, makitda tools or 304 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 2: built for the pros who show up early with. 305 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 3: Tools built to last job after job, year after year. 306 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 2: When the job calls for the best call on makda 307 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 2: available at the home depot help pros get more done. 308 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 2: To your point, I will say buck every single year 309 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 2: except for this one. This year, I've been very loud 310 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 2: that I think Pete Carroll should and will be fired. 311 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 2: I'm not getting any blowback from Raiders fans until this. 312 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 2: Every single year, a tradition like no other in the 313 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 2: summer is when I get murdered. For all the media 314 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 2: I do covering the Raiders. People always ask my opinion, 315 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 2: and every year I say, ah, that's as a six 316 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 2: win team this year, that's usually about my answer. Fans 317 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 2: come at me the entire summer. I'm an idiot, I 318 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 2: don't know what I'm talking about. I'm a moron. I'm 319 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 2: not high enough on this team. Obviously, I've never watched 320 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 2: Raiders game in my life. And then when the season 321 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 2: goes off, the Rails and they win four or five games, 322 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 2: and I'm not losing my mind because that's about where 323 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 2: I thought they would be. All of a sudden, Why 324 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 2: am I not being hard no up on these coaches? 325 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 2: Why am I not being tough enough on these players? 326 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 2: I suck like it's just funny. I will continue to 327 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 2: die on the hill that the fans at some point 328 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 2: just want us to everybody that covers their teams. They 329 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 2: just want us to reinforce the opinions they already have. 330 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 2: They want a buddy to yell with. They don't want 331 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 2: actual analysis or coverage of any of it. For all 332 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 2: of that, Buck, I think there's one important reason that 333 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 2: Lamar isn't going anywhere. 334 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 3: I guarantee it. 335 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 2: And frankly, if you're listening to this right now and 336 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 2: your favorite team needs a quarterback, you are upper Creek 337 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 2: this offseason, We'll tell you why he's Buck rising. 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It's fucking 355 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 3: Fits takeover. 356 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 2: I really try and whisper as often as possible in shows, 357 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 2: just because I know how uncomfortable it makes. 358 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: Buck. 359 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 2: You can hang out out with us every single Saturday 360 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 2: from six to eight pm. 361 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: I whisper there too. 362 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 3: But what does it sound like if you whisper? I 363 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 3: feel like you don't have a very good whispering voice. 364 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 4: No, yeah, you I don't think I've ever whispered in 365 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 4: my life. 366 00:16:55,840 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 2: Look, this is my general theory, Lorena. Is that anything 367 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 2: that you say, if you whisper, it makes it creepy. 368 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 2: Like if I look at Buck today and I'm like, man, 369 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 2: your beard looks good today. Man compliment a man? 370 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 3: That's fine. If I say, hypock, your beard looks good today. 371 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 2: Now, if we go to the Indiana playoff game together 372 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 2: and I'm like, man, we are playing well today, suddenly 373 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 2: we right, it's great. If I lean over, I'm like, hey, 374 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 2: we're playing well today. 375 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: See. 376 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 4: I don't like that. Make it stop. I don't like 377 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 4: any of this. I don't like whispering. Why would just 378 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 4: let me talking to in a normal volume. I know 379 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 4: I'm striding an obnoxious but it's better than the whispering. 380 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: I don't there's a whole industry. Clearly I'm missing out. 381 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 4: I pay enough money for the damn colm Ap on 382 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 4: a regular basis to have somebody read me sleep stories. 383 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 1: I might as well. 384 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 4: I might as well try and get in on that 385 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:53,479 Speaker 4: action myself. 386 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: I don't know if I could do that as well. 387 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 3: Oh that was good. 388 00:17:58,040 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 5: That was good. 389 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 3: Know what I am? I I'm impressed again? Do it again, Yeah, 390 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 3: one more time. 391 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 5: I don't know whether or not Matt Stafford deserves. 392 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 3: To win the MVP, but I know that he's. 393 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: A better MVP candidate than direct mais. This is my tank. 394 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 2: It's alarming how many people in their car right now 395 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 2: are just so uncomfortable. We have, we play, we have 396 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 2: we have turned sports talk radio into something that is 397 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 2: People are people driving right now. 398 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 4: The people pay good money for what we just turned 399 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 4: sports talk radio. Wait too, Okay, I think you're welcome. Yeah, 400 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 4: you're welcoming. Yeah, we won't even charge you the four 401 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 4: ninety nine minute. Look you don't, are you? 402 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 3: Who is the MVP to you right now? 403 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 4: I mean the MVP to me is the same it's 404 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 4: been the whole way through. It's Matt Stafford. Matt Stafford 405 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 4: is the most valuable player in the NFL this year. 406 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 4: He's playing his best career football at thirty seven years old. 407 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 4: He's playing on He has helped make the Rams the 408 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:00,719 Speaker 4: best team in football. 409 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: I understand that they have. 410 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 4: You know that they've dropped a game to the Falcons 411 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 4: that made his MVP odds plummet, And and maybe that's 412 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 4: enough for the fifty people that vote on this to 413 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 4: look around and say, yeah, prisoner of the moment, Derek 414 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 4: May is the guy. Matt Stafford sorry about it, Bud you. 415 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 4: I think he threw a third of his interceptions all 416 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 4: season just in that Falcons game. And I don't I mean, 417 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 4: he didn't play his best football. But Atlanta came out 418 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 4: there with a plan to kick somebody's ass and they 419 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 4: did exactly that. I think it was a good performance 420 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 4: by the Falcons defense that made Matt Stafford struggle. That way, 421 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:36,959 Speaker 4: you're allowed to play good defense even if you're an 422 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 4: eliminated from the postseason team like Atlanta is, against a 423 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 4: team that's still vying for playoff position. And I guess 424 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 4: what the Rams can the Rams the highest seed that 425 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 4: they can be at this point in time is five, right, 426 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 4: If I'm not. 427 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 3: Mistake, five is the highest it can be. 428 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 5: Six. 429 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 4: I just my my whole, my whole argument with Stafford 430 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 4: is really simple. If he'd ha done that, if he'd 431 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 4: have played that game that he most recently played on 432 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 4: Monday Night Football. Let's say in Week four, he had 433 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 4: a three interception game in Week four, but the rest 434 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 4: of the season was exactly the same for Matt Stafford 435 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 4: and the numbers are exactly the same for Matt Stafford, 436 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 4: and the Rams record is exactly the same. Just because 437 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 4: he had a game like that earlier in the season 438 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 4: versus later in the season, that makes him more of 439 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 4: an MVP candidate. I don't understand that. I don't understand 440 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 4: how people and I'm very confused by Vegas being that 441 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 4: prisoner of the moment around it. I assume they have 442 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 4: better information than we do, Like, what do they know 443 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 4: about that one game that's going to tank Matt Stafford's odds? 444 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 4: That way, when you have mentioned many times, and I'm 445 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 4: sure other people have as well, that Drake May has 446 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 4: the same record against teams with a winning record this season. 447 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: As does Jackson Dark Like. 448 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 4: I'm not saying that what the Patriots and Drake May 449 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 4: haven't done or have done is non impressive. It is 450 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,959 Speaker 4: very impressive the way that they've turned it around. He 451 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 4: has taken the kind of leap that every fan base 452 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 4: wants to see their franchise quarterback take. 453 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:00,360 Speaker 1: You too. 454 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 4: He's doing it with an offensive coordinator that's not gonna 455 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 4: leave him for a head coaching job in Josh McDaniels, 456 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 4: and he's doing it with a head coach that's there 457 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 4: to be basically be the adult in the room in 458 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 4: Mike Frable and handle the situation and get the best 459 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 4: out of the rest of the roster. Even though quarterback 460 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 4: development isn't that guy's specialty. Matt Stafford is just playing 461 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 4: god teer football, and because his latest performance was not 462 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 4: the best version of himself, it doesn't wipe away the 463 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 4: rest of the season. 464 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: That guy's the MVP. 465 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a weird year. 466 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 2: And it's funny because I saw Desmond Howard on game 467 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 2: day before the end of the college football season say, 468 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 2: maybe there just shouldn't be a Heisman winner this year. 469 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,719 Speaker 2: The award is so special, maybe nobody is deserving of it, 470 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 2: which I think is. 471 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 3: A laughable take. 472 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 2: But this year, when I look at the MVP, I think, 473 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 2: to me, it's just really hard to find that one 474 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 2: person that has been so unbelievably unstoppable. 475 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 3: Like, if I had to say, who do I. 476 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 2: Think has willed their team to the most victories, there's 477 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 2: ar to me that looks at Josh Allen. But Josh 478 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 2: Allen has played easily the same type of cupcake schedule 479 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 2: in many ways that the Patriots have. There's so much 480 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 2: similarity in the schedule that they play as a division 481 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 2: within the same division. That's why I keep going back 482 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 2: to Christian McCaffrey, who I think, you know, just being 483 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 2: the calming presence around a forty nine ers team that 484 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 2: has seen absolutely like the forty nine ers are looking 485 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 2: at the number one seed, possibly depending on what happens 486 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 2: this weekend in a year where Christian McCaffrey has gone 487 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 2: off several times, no matter whose quarterback has been right. 488 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 2: So maybe the cheet code isn't just Kyle shanahan. Maybe 489 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 2: it's also Christian McCaffrey. But it's so rare for running 490 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 2: backs to win the award. I acknowledge that, So, you know, 491 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 2: then it becomes do you think that Matt Stafford has 492 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 2: been more impressive week in and week out on the 493 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 2: whole over Drake May? And I keep struggling to find 494 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 2: the Drake May moments this year that just are the cemented. 495 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 2: Oh my god, there's your MVP. Drake May has been 496 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 2: very good, and I think the rise of Drake May 497 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 2: has been incredible, and you're right, Josh McDaniels just do 498 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 2: a great job with them. All of these things can 499 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 2: be true. But when we tell the story of this 500 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 2: season at the end of the year, when we tell 501 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 2: the story of how this NFL season went, is it 502 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 2: singularly Drake may the story that because that's how I 503 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 2: usually think of an MVP. Last year, it was so 504 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 2: difficult because there were two candidates. I don't think you 505 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 2: could tell the story of last season without sitting there saying, wow, 506 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 2: look at these ten things that Josh Allen did and 507 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 2: look at these ten things that Lamar did, and I 508 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 2: don't even know how to stop them. Like you could 509 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 2: have made the argument to me that the Jackson Smith 510 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 2: and Jigbuck could be an MVP candidate, right, because we're 511 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 2: just seeing such exceptional product and production from a couple 512 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 2: of players that aren't quarterbacks, and I don't feel like 513 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 2: the quarterback position has given us. 514 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 3: That clear Oh my god, here's your guy. 515 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 2: This guy has just put the team on his back 516 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 2: and like Superman moved mountains to make it happen. 517 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 4: This year, Well, it's the sucky part is it just 518 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 4: become a quarterback award. So that's the prism that we're 519 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 4: it seems that people are thinking about it. Do you 520 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 4: know the last time a non quarterback one MVP? 521 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 3: Oh God, that's what ten years ago. 522 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 4: More than that twenty twelve Adrian Peterson like it's been 523 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 4: it's been a long time, and basically it's just been 524 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 4: quarterbacks the rest of the I mean not basically, it 525 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 4: has been quarterbacks the rest of the way through, and 526 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 4: not just it's been quarterbacks the rest of the way through. 527 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 4: FITZI I covered a Derrick Henry season where he broke 528 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 4: two thousand yards, became only the eighth player in NFL 529 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 4: history to have a two thousand yard regular season, and 530 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 4: Derek got one MVP vote. Now was a COVID year 531 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 4: and people weren't attending games. But that doesn't you know, 532 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 4: that doesn't let the voters off the hook. There's only 533 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 4: fifty of them, and they're selected from you know, NFL 534 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 4: broadcasting and media. They're selected from the AP board that 535 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 4: puts these things together. There are fifty people who saw 536 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 4: Derek Henry have a two thousand yard season and said, yeah, 537 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 4: that guy, he can have ah MVP vote, and MVP 538 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 4: vote is crazy in that situation. 539 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: And Derek Henry's still doing it. 540 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 4: Hell, you can make the argument Dereck Henry's the most 541 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 4: valuable player on the Ravens, right now, given what he's 542 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 4: been able to do and what he's been prevented from 543 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,479 Speaker 4: doing by their damn coaching staff. To a certain extent, 544 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 4: I think that we have so pigeonholed our thinking on 545 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 4: MVP that you cannot give consideration to Christian McCaffrey as 546 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 4: an MVP because you just feel like you're wasting your vote, 547 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 4: because at the end of the day, you still feel 548 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 4: a quarterbacks the most important position, even if there are 549 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 4: players having more dominant seasons at other positions that are 550 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 4: almost as equally or equally responsible for their team success 551 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 4: as the guy getting them the ball. 552 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 2: Remember about a year ago right now, when our conversations 553 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 2: on sports talk radio everywhere where what Derrick Henry was 554 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 2: doing and Saquan was doing. We were about to see 555 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 2: resurgence of the running back position. Right Like a couple 556 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 2: of teams paid them, they had a bunch of wins. 557 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 2: This is going to change that position forever. Now, Buffalo 558 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 2: did pay James Cook this offseason, and James Cook is 559 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 2: having a spectacular year. But if you just go up 560 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 2: and down the list, like do we really feel like 561 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 2: we're back, We're still in that resurgent running back era. 562 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 2: I mean there are certainly very very good running backs, 563 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 2: but it is back to the same conversation we've had 564 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,360 Speaker 2: most years. You can have a ton of productivity at 565 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 2: that position and it doesn't necessarily equal wins. I mean, 566 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 2: Jonathan Taylor's the second leading rusher. We know that the 567 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 2: Cults are not headed to the playoffs. Jon Is I think, 568 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 2: maybe the most dynamic player in the entire NFL, and 569 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 2: Atlanta not going to the playoffs. Devon ah Chan from 570 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 2: Miami fifth leading rusher, not going to the playoffs. In fact, 571 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 2: Javonte Williams for the Dallas Cowboys as we sit right now, 572 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,959 Speaker 2: for a Cowboys team that for years couldn't figure out 573 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 2: the running back position is sixth in the NFL with 574 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 2: twelve hundred yards rushing not going to the playoffs. So 575 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,479 Speaker 2: it is it's wild because to your point, Buck like, 576 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 2: it shouldn't just be a quarterback award. But also, if 577 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 2: you have the best running back in the NFLF, you 578 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 2: have one of the best running backs in the NFL, 579 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:48,959 Speaker 2: you ain't winning as many games. 580 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 3: It doesn't correlate the same way. 581 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,880 Speaker 2: So I don't know how to value the position when 582 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 2: it doesn't correlate to actual wins. 583 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 3: For a football team. 584 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 4: I struggle with like the resurgence of the running back position, 585 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 4: because it's not the resurgence of the running back position. 586 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,479 Speaker 4: It's a lot of special players at running back. Like 587 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 4: there is no other Dereck Henry. There's just not there's 588 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 4: no other. I mean, I know there are players who 589 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,360 Speaker 4: have accomplished more at that position in NFL history than 590 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 4: Derek haz although that list is getting shorter and shorter 591 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 4: every game that he plays. He keeps creeping up the 592 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 4: record books, and he's already got a bunch of NFL records. 593 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 4: And again, as I mentioned, he's one of eight players 594 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 4: to eclipse two thousand yards rushing in a single season. 595 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 4: But just because there are players who have more statistical 596 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 4: accomplishments doesn't mean that there's a precedent for a player 597 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 4: like that. Hell, I gave Christian McCaffrey a lot of 598 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 4: crap when he signed that big deal in Carolina because 599 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 4: of the lack of availability that followed immediately with that contract. 600 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 4: Once the money went up, he played significantly less games. 601 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 4: And I understand he was working through injury. It's not 602 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 4: his fault or anything like that, but it was just 603 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 4: one of those things where you looked around and said, 604 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 4: this is why you don't pay them, because their bodies 605 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 4: don't hold up the same way. And all McCaffrey has 606 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 4: done has been super durable, super available. Besides what one 607 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,959 Speaker 4: season in San Francisco and he's one hundred and ten 608 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 4: yards away from having a thousand yards rushing and a 609 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 4: thousand yards receiving this season on one of the best 610 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 4: offenses in football. I just think that there are so 611 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 4: few special, truly special players at their individual positions that 612 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 4: we try to make it a larger conversation about positional 613 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 4: value when in reality, it's no that guy has a 614 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 4: superpower at running back or that guy has a superpower 615 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 4: at quarterback. That doesn't mean that applies to every position 616 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 4: or every single player at that same position across the league. 617 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 4: It just means that the Ravens have one of those 618 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 4: guys and you don't. 619 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 2: Well, that's why analytics at time, whether we're talking about 620 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 2: analytics in game or analytics in roster construction. Like, I'm 621 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 2: a big believer, and you need all the information and 622 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 2: data you can possibly get, but you can't also just 623 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 2: use blanket statements for any of it. You can't sit 624 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 2: there and say well, the analytics say that I go 625 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 2: for it on fourth an eng in this situation, it's like, okay, well, also, 626 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 2: you've gone for it six times this game you haven't. 627 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 3: Gotten it, so maybe the analytics aren't right. 628 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 2: You know, sometimes gameplay situations change some of these conversations. 629 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 2: To your point, you can sit there all day long 630 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 2: and say, Okay, don't pay running backs. Well, the answer 631 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 2: is only pay special players. Like that's the real answer 632 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 2: is pay pay the most talented people in the world, 633 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 2: and the rest of them if they're not amongst that, 634 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 2: oh my god, elite level, then make a decision about 635 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 2: wins above replacement. That's the deeper conversation. Wins above replacement 636 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 2: is why quarterbacks are going to be so tough this 637 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 2: offseason to figure out too, Buck, because you know, we 638 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 2: talked earlier about well Lamar and the rumors around Lamar. 639 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 2: You mentioned Stafford being an MVP candidate. Will Stafford not 640 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 2: a spring chicken? And what's interesting, as much as we 641 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 2: talk about the running back position wins above replacement, I'm 642 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 2: trying to figure out how we're going to replace some 643 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 2: of these quarterbacks in the NFL, because again, there's guys 644 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 2: staying longer and longer in college, right, so you have 645 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 2: more nil opportunity, and that means that guys like Dante. 646 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 3: Moore aren't certain come out. We don't know if Dante's 647 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 3: going to come out. 648 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 2: And if you look at the list of available quarterbacks 649 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 2: in the draft this year, it's for Nana Mendoza and 650 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 2: then basically nothing if Ty Simpson and Dante more don't 651 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 2: come out. So then you look at the list of 652 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 2: available free agents in the NFL Draft and at the 653 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 2: quarterback position, and it is a just awful, awful list 654 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 2: of quarterbacks that nobody really thinks is going to be 655 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 2: a savior. So it's funny because even the decisions of 656 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 2: who you pay and how you keep them can't be 657 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 2: made in the vacuum. 658 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 3: You have to figure out what else you can get attainably. 659 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 2: For anybody in the world that says, you know what, 660 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 2: fire that guy, my answer is always, well, who you're 661 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 2: replacing them with? Same with the quarterback position, if the 662 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 2: answers get rid of that bumb okay for who? Because 663 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 2: the top free agents in free agents at the quarterback 664 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 2: position next year or Russell Wilson, Marcus Mariota, and Zach 665 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,479 Speaker 2: Taylor and to Rod Taylor and so like, I don't know. 666 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm looking around side Taylor. Oh sorry, Zach Wilson. 667 00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 2: I combined Zach and Taylor. Sorry about that. Daniel Jones 668 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 2: is on that list. Let's see what happens to him. 669 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 2: But he's not gonna play any meaningful football next year. 670 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 2: All of that to say that decisions on who you 671 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 2: pay and how you pay them. 672 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 3: Are just not made in a vacuum with NFL roster construction. 673 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's one of the things. I think that, 674 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 4: and I feel like we do this so often, or 675 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 4: we do this too often that I don't want to. 676 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 4: I don't want to just like fingerwag at NFL fans 677 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 4: and be like, no, you don't understand how this works. 678 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 4: But to a certain extent, I think, I think that 679 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 4: you have a misconception about how things work, and that 680 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 4: a lot of a lot of times that fans get 681 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 4: caught up in the way that one team goes about 682 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 4: its business, ignoring that their team's their favorite team situation 683 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 4: is not even remotely similar to whichever team they are 684 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 4: comparing it to. 685 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: Right, We got this a lot. In Tennessee. 686 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 4: I cover the Titans on a daily basis some flying 687 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 4: a jackson They've got practice later today. I'm finding that 688 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,479 Speaker 4: flying to Jacksonville on say, Saturday to go cover their 689 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 4: season finale, thank god. And Titans fans are citing Detroit 690 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 4: and you know last year's Washington team as we'll look 691 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 4: what Detroit and Washington did, we can do that too. Okay, Well, 692 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 4: how's that going for Washington right now? And how solid 693 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 4: was that foundation? Theoretically? Washington built around Jayden Daniels when 694 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 4: it was an aging roster and you were just super 695 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 4: healthy the whole way through, and now he's not healthy, 696 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 4: and now you're one of the worst teams in the sport. 697 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 4: Detroit very very singular type of situation, also with I 698 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 4: think a lot more stable components than a place like Tennessee, 699 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 4: whose ownership is wildly erratic and has fired a head 700 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 4: of state of the organization each of the last four seasons. 701 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 4: After promising to not do it again. This time, she's 702 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 4: fired a guy six games in. By the way, she 703 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 4: was right, they are a better football team without Brian 704 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 4: Callahan than they were with Brian Callahan. Doesn't mean that 705 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 4: just because she didn't stick to the plan or do 706 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 4: what they said she was going to do the whole 707 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 4: way through patients over panic was the line here doesn't 708 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 4: mean that you got it wrong, but it still means 709 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 4: that you have a situation where you're looking around at 710 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 4: me like, okay, but can you trust your owner to 711 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 4: actually stick to the plan to give you the necessary 712 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 4: time to rebuild this thing the way that for example, 713 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 4: the Lion's got. Dan Campbell got a lot of grace 714 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 4: early on in his career. Jared Goff got a lot 715 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 4: of grace early on in his career as Detroit worked 716 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 4: their way up to that level of competitiveness. It didn't 717 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,959 Speaker 4: happen overnight. It didn't happen in two seasons. It took 718 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 4: some time here. So this is what I think fans 719 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 4: are most guilty of is looking around in comparison shopping, 720 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 4: when in reality, no situation in the NFL has created 721 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 4: equal because you don't have You do play under the 722 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 4: same rules, and you do play under the same salary 723 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 4: cap as far as your roster construction goes, But it 724 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 4: doesn't mean that your teams are run the same way 725 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 4: and that you can recreate a situation that you like 726 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 4: elsewhere just because you think it's your turn. 727 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 2: I mean the number of times I've heard we should 728 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 2: have drafted Mahomes. Okay, Well, would he have sat under 729 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 2: Alex Smith learned for a year while he was coached 730 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 2: by Andy Reid with the stable organization around him to 731 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 2: get the best of him. 732 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 3: Probably not. That's just a reminder that you're right. 733 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 2: These systems absolutely they matter through every single pass of this. 734 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 3: They absolutely matter. All right. 735 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 2: So with all that to be said, we've got a 736 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 2: huge weekend of NFL action that's gonna have consequence. Where's 737 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 2: the pressure lie this weekend? Who's under the most of it? 738 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 2: We'll tell you next. He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason Fitzbuckingfits, 739 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 2: hanging out with you for two Pros and a cup 740 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,880 Speaker 2: of Joe on Fox Sports Radio. 741 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 5: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 742 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 5: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio 743 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 5: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to 744 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 5: listen live. So bucking Fits takeover a two Pros and 745 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,720 Speaker 5: a cup of Joe. He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason Fitz. 746 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,240 Speaker 5: Don't forget with the iHeartRadio. 747 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 3: App, you can stream us wherever you happen to be. 748 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 2: Catch us and all of the Fox Sports Radio lineup 749 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 2: twenty four to seven in the new and improved Just 750 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 2: when you thought it couldn't get any better iHeartRadio app. 751 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 2: Just search Fox Sports Radio in the app to stream 752 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 2: Must Live all day, every day, and be sure to 753 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 2: select Fox Sports Radio as one of your presets in 754 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 2: the iHeart app so it'll always pop up at the top. 755 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,720 Speaker 3: Of your screen. What's old is new again? Like radio presets, 756 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 3: You can now do that in the iHeartRadio app. 757 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 2: Who doesn't love that? He's Buck rising out Jason Fitz. 758 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 2: It's a big weekend, and I'm trying to figure out 759 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 2: where pressure lies in some of these situations. Because we've 760 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 2: got some winning your in, losing your out moments. We've 761 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 2: got some teams that they've absolutely fallen apart. 762 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 3: We've got coaches that could be on the hot seat. 763 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 2: So let's look at some of these pressure filled places, 764 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 2: Buck and figure out. 765 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 3: What to make of it. 766 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 2: Like, do you believe as we sit right now, that 767 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 2: there is a possibility, just the possibility, that Tampa Bay 768 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:41,919 Speaker 2: could be firing their head coach? 769 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 3: Because it's wild to me. 770 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 2: The Buccaneers have a winning their in game against the 771 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 2: Carolina Panthers, right so that it's that simple for them. 772 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,319 Speaker 2: But in the meantime, this is a Buccaneers team that 773 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 2: is absolutely free falling. 774 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 3: I mean absolutely. 775 00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 2: Free falling from where they were earlier in the sea. 776 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 2: And even though Todd Bowles has only been the coach 777 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,439 Speaker 2: for a couple of years, there are plenty of Bucks 778 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 2: vans calling for his head. Is there pressure in your 779 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,319 Speaker 2: mind for Tampa Bay to make a change if they 780 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 2: missed the playoffs? 781 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 4: I mean, is there pressure? Sure, like there's gonna be 782 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,839 Speaker 4: pressure from fans, But I don't know how you could 783 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 4: look at Todd Bowles's circumstance and say, yeah, it's on 784 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 4: that guy name now he's He's been more publicly frustrated 785 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,399 Speaker 4: than we've ever seen Todd Bowles. Although did you ever 786 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 4: hear that rant that he went on a couple of 787 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,279 Speaker 4: weeks ago after they lost? Did they lose to the Yeah? Falcons? 788 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,720 Speaker 4: I want to say either way, he kind of excoriated 789 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 4: the way his team performed and how much his team 790 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,399 Speaker 4: actually cared going into it. And he did it in 791 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 4: one of the funniest like he's just such a monotone 792 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 4: person and he dropped a bunch of f bombs in 793 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 4: the middle of this. You know, it's as close to 794 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 4: a diatribe as I feel like Todd Bowles gets, but 795 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 4: he just did it very flatly. It was one of 796 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 4: the funnier rants I've I I don't know how you 797 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,239 Speaker 4: look at Todd Bowles circumstance this year and say, yes, 798 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 4: quarterback was hurt, his quarterback was healthy. When his quarterback 799 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,439 Speaker 4: was healthy, he was an MVP candidate early on. When 800 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 4: his quarterback was not healthy, they struggled and Baker, you know, 801 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 4: looked like Baker in Cleveland when he was dealing with injury, 802 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 4: which is not the best version of himself, and a 803 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,360 Speaker 4: little uncomfortable, and you know, playing a bit fast, faster 804 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 4: than you'd like him to be. Your franchise left tackle 805 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 4: missed some time at the start of the season and 806 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 4: since then has been back in the lineup, but that's 807 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 4: not been an excellent performance. You have a circumstance with 808 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,919 Speaker 4: the wide receiver corps where yeah, you drafted a Mecca 809 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 4: Buca because you have to at some point prepare for 810 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,839 Speaker 4: life after Mike Evans, as he's getting up there in age. 811 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 4: But I don't think that. I mean, I'd be curious 812 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 4: to see how many snaps have a Mecha Buca. Chris 813 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 4: Godwin and Mike Evans actually played together this season, like 814 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 4: been on the on the field at the same time 815 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,359 Speaker 4: for as much as they have invested. Because all three 816 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,400 Speaker 4: of those guys have missed time due to injury this season, 817 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 4: their defense has not been good relative to what we 818 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 4: expect Todd Bowles's defenses to do. I would expect that 819 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 4: there would be some personnel changes there if Bowls were. 820 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 1: To be retained. 821 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 4: Maybe maybe it sounds like excuse making to Bucks fans, 822 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 4: but I don't know. 823 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 1: I don't know how you don't look at the season. 824 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 4: Maybe not quite as dramatic as the Colts, but like, 825 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 4: what is a Colts fan to do but throw your 826 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 4: hands up in the air and be like, yeah, our 827 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 4: entire plan went to hell because the quarterback got an 828 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:40,279 Speaker 4: achilles injury. That doesn't mean that the decisions weren't right. 829 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 4: It just means that the thing that happened to you 830 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 4: is the thing that happens to some NFL fan base 831 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,719 Speaker 4: every year, which is injuries completely derail your best made 832 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 4: or best laid plans. 833 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,359 Speaker 1: I feel like that's Tampa Bay circumstance. 834 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 2: Well, and at some point you and I have joked 835 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 2: about the fact that almost every fan base seems to 836 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 2: want their head coach fired. I look at ownership and 837 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 2: I look back in the past and say, okay, what 838 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,120 Speaker 2: indications can we take and what has this ownership group 839 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,399 Speaker 2: gone through. So if you look at that from the 840 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 2: Tampa Bay standpoints, just look at what's happened over the 841 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 2: last fifteen years. 842 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 3: Raheem Morris won it was seventeen and thirty one. 843 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,279 Speaker 2: As the head coach and was fired. Greg Ciano was 844 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 2: eleven and twenty one for two seed. He had two seasons, 845 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,719 Speaker 2: he was fired. Lovey Smith got two seasons eight and 846 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,839 Speaker 2: twenty four, he was fired. Dirt Cutter sucked at this too, 847 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,480 Speaker 2: nineteen and twenty nine, over three seasons. 848 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:27,840 Speaker 3: He was fired. 849 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,359 Speaker 2: Right that same ownership group lived through all of that 850 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:31,840 Speaker 2: before they got to Bruce Arians. 851 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 3: Now they get to Todd Bowles. 852 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,399 Speaker 2: Todd Bowles has won the NFC South in twenty two, 853 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 2: twenty three, and twenty four. 854 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,280 Speaker 3: Hell Mike win it this year. Even if he doesn't 855 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 3: win it. 856 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,719 Speaker 2: I can't imagine an ownership group with a coach that 857 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,720 Speaker 2: is above five hundred throughout his career that has gone 858 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 2: through Dirt Cutter, Lovey Smith, Greg Shana, Raheem Morris in 859 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 2: between John Gruden and Bruce Arians not looking at it 860 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,960 Speaker 2: and saying, hey, we're gonna be patient because we know 861 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 2: how hard it. 862 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:57,800 Speaker 3: Is to find the right coach. 863 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,279 Speaker 2: I just like you talk about Amy Adams in the 864 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:01,960 Speaker 2: way that she is shrunk, in the way that she 865 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,719 Speaker 2: handles the Titans. I think when you look at ownership, look, 866 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 2: even if the Bucks get just absolutely destroyed this weekend, 867 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 2: I don't think ownership is making a change. I don't 868 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 2: think they should make a change. I think good organizations 869 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 2: are patient and they let it play out. This is 870 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,400 Speaker 2: just the beginning for Todd Bowles. Let's see if it 871 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,799 Speaker 2: looks like maybe you could argue he's hot seat next year, 872 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 2: we'll look at some of the other pressure situations across 873 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 2: the NFL. 874 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,799 Speaker 3: Coming up next, He's buck rising on Jason Fitzwerning for 875 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:27,799 Speaker 3: two pros and a cup of Joe