WEBVTT - Tdhtdhtdhtdhtdh: Sound Effects! 0:00:01.440 --> 0:00:04.920 Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:13.600 Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:16.479 Chuck and Jerry's here too, and this is stuff you 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:20.240 should know. I got nothing. 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:23.320 Hey, that was a sound effect in and of itself. 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:26.319 I guess I don't know if it really qualifies, but 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:27.760 I appreciate the support. Chuck. 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:32.720 It was Josh introing the show as he falls off 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:33.320 of a cliff. 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:36.560 You know, it's Josh in space. 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:38.040 Yeah that doo. 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:40.240 Yeah, the cliff works too. 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:42.840 I just I like you in space better than dying. 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:45.520 Thank you. I appreciate that. But I think that really 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:48.400 goes to illustrate just how versatile sound effects can be. 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:50.640 Yeah, I'm excited about this one. 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:53.160 I am too. This was a Dave joint. He helps 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:58.160 us with this, and I knew nothing about this stuff. 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:00.240 I mean, I knew that the people who make this 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:02.800 are often called fully artists when they do a specific 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:06.240 kind of thing, but just like the little details and everything, 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:08.600 and it was all new to me and it was 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:11.160 all super interesting. So I'm psyched to buy this one too. 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:14.520 Yeah, me too. So what we're talking about is sound effects. 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:18.360 If you haven't gathered that by now. And you know, 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:23.000 I never assume what people know about movie making because 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:25.080 I worked in that field for a little while and 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:27.000 you and I did a TV show, like you know 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:30.240 some stuff about it. But I never assume that people 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:32.880 know things or not. So we should say right out 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:35.280 of the gate, when you're watching a movie, you're watching 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:37.760 a TV show or something like that. And also this 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:40.440 stuff is for animation and video games and all that stuff, 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:42.640 but we're mainly talking about, you know, live action stuff. 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:46.600 When you see a car drive down the road or 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:50.000 a couple sitting in a restaurant having a conversation and 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:51.520 you hear all the people in the background and you 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:54.160 hear that car drive down the road or anything you 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:58.160 hear a door shut, footsteps. All of that stuff is 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:02.040 created in post production, either by a person doing it 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:04.040 a folly artist, which we're going to talk a lot about, 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:07.400 or it might be from a sound catalog like where 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:10.200 you have all kinds of recordings you can pull from right, 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:13.360 car door shut stuff like that, or sometimes you know 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:17.799 that stuff now obviously is created through the wizardry of computering. 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:23.760 Yeah, but there's a surprising craft that's still left that 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:26.680 has not been pushed out by computers. Yet that seems 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:29.760 like this sort of happened years ago. But the work 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:33.720 that the folly artists do is so intricate and so 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:37.960 well done. Yeah, computers just can't replicate it yet, Like, yeah, 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:40.920 they there's a car door. Sound sounds good, but it 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:43.960 just doesn't quite work. And the reason why, from what 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:47.239 I saw all the explanations I saw, basically said, fully 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:52.440 artists are there sound actors, so they're acting along with 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:56.560 the actors on screen to make the sounds that you 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:59.400 know and love and actually don't even notice, but you 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:02.320 would notice. So if they weren't there or they were. 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:06.720 Off, yeah, for sure. And two more quick points for me. 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:10.360 Sound is often overlooked I think by the general public 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:13.200 in a movie or TV show for sure, And even 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:18.359 as you've seen my friend on actual sets, it's half 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:20.680 the thing is what you're hearing. The other half is 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:23.720 what you're seeing. But the sound department, every sound department 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:27.160 I've ever worked with, is always like just they're shoved 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:29.560 to the side, and you know, you know, they make 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:31.239 room for the camera and everything in the lighting, and 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:33.519 then there's a boom person that's like, oh, don't worry 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:36.320 about me. Like I also have to stand in this room. Yeah, 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:40.560 do like half the sound they're always you know, just 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:42.800 shoved off to the side, which is incredible that it's 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:45.960 still sort of like that. And also, you know, getting 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:47.840 back to what I said before about how every sound 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:52.360 you hear basically that is not dialogue or music like 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:57.000 soundtrack stuff or unless it's diegetic sound actually screws things 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:59.880 up on recording out in the world. Like that's what 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:01.520 they try to shoot as much as they can on 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:04.800 a stage, because if you're out on the street, you 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:07.600 often hear the term houlter sound because there's a lawn 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:09.520 mower and they may add a lot more later to 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:11.200 make something more real, but they don't want the lawn 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:14.440 mower that's actually there or the plane flying over. They 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:17.080 could add all of that stuff, the birds chirping. They 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:19.840 add all that stuff later to make it real, but 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:22.039 you can't have any of that on the day while 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:24.960 you're shooting, so you're always holding for sound, waiting for 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:28.320 the car or the train or the leaf blower. And 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:30.880 that's why they shoot like restaurants seems like completely silent. 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:35.040 Everybody is miming talking in the background, and it's really weird. 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:36.920 When you see like a clip of it. 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:40.360 Oh, it's definitely where. It's also weird to be like 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:42.599 in the middle of it, trying to act when everybody 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:45.600 around you in the restaurant is silently miming. 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:48.240 Yeah, and it's also hard. I did an extra thing 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:49.400 or two. That's hard to do. 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:52.280 Yeah, for sure, I'm sure those are two sides of 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:55.880 the same coin. Yeah, so those are two great quick 0:04:55.920 --> 0:05:01.640 points seven quick points from me. That's about how Oh 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:04.720 so you said a word back there a minute ago, 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:08.920 diagetic and that stood out to me, like what And 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:11.240 the reason why I didn't stop you and say, what 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:13.120 are you talking about, Chuck, is because I already know 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:15.600 what it means, so I feel like I should explain it. 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:20.440 Diegetic sound is the sound inside the movie's world. So 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:22.560 if you were one of the characters or the extras 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:26.359 or anybody in that movie, you would hear these sounds 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:29.719 like that lawn mower, that car driving by, the machine gun. 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:34.680 You know it's from the car driving by. That's my 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:35.240 best one. 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:37.200 Yeah. I mean a lot of times you hear it 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:40.039 in terms of music, like when they're playing something in 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:42.400 the car that they're hearing. Sure, and then a very 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:44.400 common sort of thing to do is then that becomes 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:47.120 the soundtrack. It like kind of changes the tone a 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:49.600 little bit. You know, yeah, it's always great. 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:53.320 But so that would be diegetic music. But like the 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:55.960 score that's just going along with it, that would be 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:59.279 non diegetic because the characters aren't hearing that same with narration. 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:02.040 Yeah, unless it's like a naked gun kind of thing, 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:04.680 and then they might like the strings will swell. Then 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:05.839 soon it will be like did you hear that? 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:08.200 Has Ruby taken you to the new Naked Gun? 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:10.640 I took myself Scotty and. 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:12.360 I went, oh, really, how was it? 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:15.240 It's very very very funny. 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:18.479 Really, So do you know Liam Neeson and Pamela Anderson 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:19.479 are a couple? Now? 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:23.360 I wondered about that because they're both people at a 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:27.480 certain stage in life that are without their partners and 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:29.440 for very different reasons. But I kind of was like, 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:31.799 you know that, I kind of hoped they would get together. 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:34.360 Well they did, Buddy, your loves came true. 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:36.880 She's very funny in it. I don't know if it's 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:38.680 still out, but I highly recommend seeing it in a 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:41.720 theater with laughing with a group of people. Okay, good 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:43.600 to know, but it's probably too late for that. 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:48.480 So so you talked about how you hold for lawnmower 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:50.599 and all that, and that that stuff's added on later. 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:54.520 I think something like ninety percent. I've actually seen higher 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:56.679 than that of the sound you hear in the film 0:06:56.680 --> 0:07:00.120 that's not dialogue or music is added later on and 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:03.279 post production. That's how important this stuff is. And like 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:06.479 you said, though, it just it gets treated like a 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:09.760 second class citizen despite how hard they work. And I 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.320 think if we get across anything in this episode, it 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:14.920 should be how hard and creative the people who make 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:15.760 sound effects are. 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:18.680 Yeah, for sure. And again we're going to get into 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:23.280 the foly stuff and mention things like sound banks of 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:27.800 doors shutting and wind blowing and all that stuff that 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:29.680 you can pull from. But a lot of times you 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:32.400 have sound designers that go out and make their own 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:34.400 recordings of that stuff. They just that they don't want 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:40.520 the universal catalog of car doors shutting. They want to 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:42.840 get their own, maybe it's a specific car. In fact, 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:45.040 that's that's what they should be doing, because card doors 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:46.800 are very specific the sound they make. 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:48.480 So they'll go out in the field. 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:51.520 There's a whole movie about that blow up. I'm Sorry. 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:54.960 Blowout with John Travolta, where he played a guy that 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:57.240 captures the sound of a car crash that ends up 0:07:57.280 --> 0:07:59.120 being very you know, murderous. 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:03.920 Yeah, yeah, that was actually a pretty good movie. Great, 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:06.600 this is a classic, right, don't people consider a classic? 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:10.360 There's also so in addition to card or shutting, like 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:14.400 the vehicles themselves, the sounds they make those are often 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:17.880 like from a sound library, but I've also seen that 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:21.559 they'll be layered. They'll like add certain details sometimes later 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:26.800 on onto the sound library file called sweetening, And that's 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:29.480 that seems to be a pretty common thing. Even if 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:32.160 you're taking stuff that you're making out in the field yourself, 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:36.160 or you're making in the studio as you're watching the clip, 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:39.880 you'll probably still layer all that stuff together to get 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:43.200 like the most realistic, richest possible sound. 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:45.600 Yeah, they get really into it. It's a good nerdy 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:48.720 sort of line of work. You gotta have a good ear, 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:51.920 that's for sure. You're because you're recreating you know, punches 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:55.000 and slaps and every gunshot that you hear in every 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:59.200 movie is not what you hear on set obviously, and 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:01.800 then of course you know this is all stuff done. 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:04.640 It's like real sound effects. A lot of the things 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:07.440 that are created to be a computer are, but not 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:11.200 all of them are things that don't exist. You know, 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:13.640 like if you're going to do like a movie set 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:15.240 in out of Space, you're going to be making up 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:17.400 a lot of brand new sounds that have never been 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:18.000 made before. 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:20.200 Yeah, they seem to love that stuff because they have, 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:23.840 like Carte Blanc, to just go nuts and get creative. 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:25.440 Basically it's awesome. 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:28.520 Another one that gets left out that sounds really boring 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:33.200 but apparently it's really hard. Or footsteps. I'm sure there's 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:38.000 tons of sound effects of footsteps in libraries, but those 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:40.959 don't work from what I've seen, from what I've read 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:44.680 there essentially there because somebody put them there. People don't 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:48.160 use them. You have to make the footsteps based on 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:51.240 the actor and how they're moving, and not just in 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:56.000 sync with them. But a good folly artist will take 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:59.880 into account the weight, the height, the gait. Are they shuffle, 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:04.440 are they high stepping or they goose stepping. They're like, 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:06.280 they take all this stuff into account to make a 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:11.679 specific kind of walk or footfall for a particular actor. 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:14.319 Yeah, and a lot of times the stuff is dictated 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:18.960 by budget. Obviously, folly artists don't come cheap. So if 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:21.520 you've ever been watching a low budget movie and the 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:24.000 footsteps sounded kind of corny, it's probably because they're pulling 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:25.640 from a library. 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:28.040 Probably they're trying their best. 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:29.440 They're doing their best. They don't have the kind of 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:31.599 dough for that, so you know, it all just depends. 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:34.400 So I say, do you want to go back to 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:35.400 the beginning of all. 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:39.360 This, yeah, which is surprisingly silent movies, right, yeah. 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:41.679 Well, apparently because you further back than that to vaudeville 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:45.560 before there were even movies, people would play along on 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:49.120 stage to make sound effects with vaudeville act so it 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:55.520 was a pretty brainless transition from vaudeville stages to the 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:59.720 stage underneath a movie, and it was just somebody playing 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:02.880 a lot I think to start with like drums and 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:05.520 like maybe some clackers and a few different things. But 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:09.560 it very quickly took off as like a cottage industry 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:14.720 to make props for people who did this live to use. 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:21.920 Yeah, props or traps traps baby short for contraption, And 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.640 a lot of times it was percussionists, even if they 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:28.199 weren't literally playing drums, because percussionists are just good at 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:31.120 doing multiple things with hands and feet at the same time. 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:34.560 So they had these contraptions or traps, and they started 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:39.200 making them, Like drum companies like Ludwig started making traps 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:41.880 to just simulate things like this sounds. And you know, 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:45.640 these are early early talkies, so it's not like they 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:49.160 were going for absolute realism with like a barking dog 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:52.240 sound or a train whistle or a snore or a 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:55.160 cash register. But they would make these traps that were 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:58.080 close enough that people hearing this stuff for the first 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:00.000 time in a movie were like, oh my god. 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:04.640 Right, I never knew a dog actually sounded like that. Yeah. 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:07.439 There is this video of a guy named Nick White, 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:10.520 and he is a master of this. He has a 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:14.280 bunch of like vintage traps and he does live sound 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:18.480 effects along with like black and white talkie movies, silent movies. Sorry, 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:21.720 And there's a video of his called Vintage Sound Effect 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:25.760 Artist for Vintage Films. And it's amazing to watch him 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:27.800 do this in real time because, like you said, he's 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.040 doing stuff with his feet, he's doing stuff with his hands, 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:31.959 and then he's also probably got some sort of weird 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:33.840 whistle in his mouth at the same time. 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:37.360 Too. Yeah, and it's funny. Dave mentioned him later in 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:39.240 the article, but I was going to bring him up anyway. 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:42.800 This guy, Josh Harmon is a very fun Instagram account 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:45.920 to follow because he does it to old cartoons. Yeah, 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:48.360 and he has really blown up. He's like got fourn 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:52.880 of close to five million Instagram people now wow, and 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.800 has had like some famouses on there that take part. 0:12:56.960 --> 0:13:01.520 And the delight of Josh Harmon stuff is not only 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:04.560 watching him squeeze a balloon to make it sound like 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:07.040 somebody like Porky Pig is trying to get through a door, 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:10.280 but the delight he gets at the end of the clip. 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:13.959 He just always lights up with this wonderful smile and 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:16.600 like one of my life goals is to sit in 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:19.800 and do a thing a sesson with do Harmon. Nice man, 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:23.720 I've asked, oh have you asked? Well, just on Instagram, like, hey, 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:26.200 I know I'm not Nick Jonas, but like I got 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:27.679 a few people who listen to me. Can I get 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:30.199 in there and and a bunch of stuff. You should know. 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:31.960 People are like, yeah, get Chuck, get Chuck, but he 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:33.680 you know it didn't get through. 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:35.480 No, Well keep trying, Chuck. 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:38.280 I'm gonna maybe this will get to him. 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:41.520 It could attention Josh Harmon do this. 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:44.880 What about slapstick though I didn't know that even. 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:48.520 Uh yeah, the term is actually, you know, slapstick is 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:52.720 like physical silly comedy made up with pratfalls. And the 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:55.360 reason it's called slapstick is because there was a trap 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:59.160 that people used to use that was a slapstick. I 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:02.959 think I can imagine. It's like two wooden duck bills 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:07.160 that you smacked together, okay as a clacker. Yeah, and 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:09.679 they used that when somebody had a pratfall, like when 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:11.679 they tumbled and fell or something like that. They would 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:16.800 use this slapstick where the name came from. So now 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:19.560 you can go forth and tell everyone you ever meet 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:21.880 where the origin of the term slapstick is from. 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:25.240 I love it. Uh maybe yeah. Here, let's finish up 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:26.840 with the Jazz Singer and then take a break. What 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:27.320 do you say? 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:28.160 Mm hm? 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:30.840 Well, the Jazz Singer, as we've mentioned in other episodes, 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:34.800 was the first sort of widely released successful talkie, right, 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:38.560 And I know we've talked about the vitaphone before, So 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:40.640 did we do one on silent movies or was it 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:42.360 just the birth of the movies or something like that. 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:45.800 I don't know, I don't I don't know, I don't know. 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:49.760 Well, Warner Brothers had developed something called the vitaphone, and 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:53.320 that was a separate machine that would sync the audio 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:56.080 along to the projector while there, while they're playing it. 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:57.960 And it was it was basically like a record they 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:01.920 recorded on Chalac discs like an LP. And once the 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:05.040 jazz singer came out, a whole new industry was born 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:07.000 from silent movies. 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:10.160 Right, like throwing a light switch, like silent movies were 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:13.520 out and talkies were in. Like, this is an enormous 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:16.600 innovation for sure. Yeah, so yeah, I say, that's a 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:19.600 great setup for where we are in history with the 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:20.400 sound effects. 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:23.520 All right, so we're just gonna walk away. Clip clop, 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:25.600 clip clop clap. 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:30.760 Wait wait, oh no, we'll be right back. 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:58.200 You do a great machine gun and I have to 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:01.640 say you and Scott Ackerman both do great machine gun 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:02.600 sounds with your mouth. 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:08.240 That is from years and years of playing with M 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:09.800 sixteen's in the woods. 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:13.680 What is that horrible instinct that little boys have. 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:16.920 I don't know, it's weird. I'm glad it It usually 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:19.880 gets it gets left behind or shed as you get 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:21.080 older typically, But. 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:22.680 Let's pick up that stick and go. 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:23.800 Yeah. 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:24.880 See that was terrible. 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:28.840 No, that was pretty good. That was a modified sixteen. 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:35.800 All right? How about this bullet? Bullet bullet? Is it good? 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:38.080 Did I ever tell you about the time I was 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:41.600 playing laser tag and if we didn't, It was like 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:43.960 at like ten thirty in the morning on a Tuesday 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:46.760 for some reason, and we didn't have enough of us 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:49.120 in a group to make it like even teams. 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:49.920 Yeah. 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:53.160 So the guy who worked there is other kid. He 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:56.080 played with us, and he caught me in a corner 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:58.640 and got me and then he just stood there and 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:01.480 shot me like every time, like my, my, youven get 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:04.600 out of there. Reset. He kept just shooting me and 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:08.000 killing me, and finally I shouted him like stop, and 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:10.760 he just laughed and walked away. But he killed me 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:14.160 probably like ten times in just you know however long 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:15.400 it took to reset. 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:18.280 Oh, since you mentioned that, and we're doing this today. 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:22.040 I had my very first laser tag at Ruby's birthday 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:24.919 party this summer. Nice. I had never done it before, 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:27.439 and I was the only adult in there with all 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:30.240 the kids. I was on the boys team, and I 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:33.199 was like listen, guys, they're gonna be running around and 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:35.800 screaming and shooting. I was like, everyone, find a position 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:40.960 and stay there, not probably higher ground. And I feel 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:44.800 kind of bad because we dominated, and I specifically dominated. 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:48.560 I beat it. It was like I had like ten 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:50.480 times the points is the next highest person. 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:52.800 That's awesome against kids though. 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:55.399 Yeah, so I just I got in a high spot 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:57.800 and was just picking them off as they came up. 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:01.640 You're like Billy Madison, plane dodge in Billy Madison. 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:03.879 Oh. And not only did and I feel bad, I 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:05.640 got a lot of satisfaction. 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:09.439 Of all Batman. Yeah, it was fun, all bat instead 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:11.720 of bullet did you go laser laser laser? 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:12.520 I did? 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:17.960 Well, that's our laser tag. Anecdotes everybody, all right, we. 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:20.800 Got to talk about a legend named Jack Foley, and 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:22.400 this guy's story is pretty great. 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:24.920 He was there at the beginning, like where we left 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:29.119 off with the release of The Jazz Singer in nineteen 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:32.399 twenty seven, so he was there at the transition to 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:36.119 talkies and he was doing all sorts of stuff. He 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:42.520 wrote a monthly column in Universal Studios like essentially Company magazine. 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:44.600 I guess, huh he did that for decades. He was 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:48.520 a great illustrator. He was an insert director, where like 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:51.840 if you showed one of the Three Stooges, like grabbing 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:53.840 a paintbrush out of a bucket, and you just saw 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:57.000 their hand, that's an insert, and then they would edit 0:18:57.040 --> 0:18:59.920 that in later. The director who directed the whole thing, 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:04.120 like the Stooges probably didn't actually take that or get 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:08.000 that shot. Somebody like Jack Foley did, and somehow, some 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:12.919 way he ended up becoming a sound effects guy. I 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:14.960 don't know how he got his first chance. I think 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:17.639 he was just hired on as one of the people 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:20.560 doing it, and he became so good at it and 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:24.119 so legendary that still today anything that has to do 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:27.919 with creating sound effects in a studio is called folly. 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:33.400 Yeah. His name became an adjective, a verb, and an 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:37.320 art form and a department yeah, which is I don't 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:39.600 know many people that can say that so. And I 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:42.640 also think he got hired because he was just around 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:44.879 doing all kinds of stuff. So it was one of 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:46.880 those things like Jack Foley can probably do it right. 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:49.920 So after the jazz singer, you know, everyone was like, 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:51.520 oh my gosh, this is the new thing we have 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:55.679 to have our talkie. And Universal had already gotten the 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:58.040 movie Showboat in the can as a silent film, right, 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:00.920 and they said, we want to change this to a talkie. 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:04.680 So Jack Foley goes over to Stage ten at Universal 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:09.399 Studios with an orchestra and started working his magic, which was, 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:12.359 you know, fairly limited stuff at first, like audience is 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:15.480 cheering and water and the sounds of the steamboat and 0:20:15.520 --> 0:20:18.160 stuff like that. But you know, he's kind of saved 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:18.480 the day. 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:21.800 Yeah, And the thing is, so there's this live orchestra 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:25.040 playing along with this, and there's no retakes. You did 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:27.960 this whole movie in one take because it was being 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:33.080 recorded directly to that vitaphone record, right, So it went 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:36.320 out with the film like that was it. So this 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:39.880 orchestra's playing and he's making these sound effects as it's 0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:44.399 happening on screen. It's just mind boggling what he was doing. 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:47.200