Speaker 1: Oh weird back, we're black, we're brown ambition.
Speaker 2: I decided to start something new.
Speaker 3: This is Tiffany, I'm here for it. It's Mandy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, you know my memory and Mandy.
Speaker 2: That's like, I'm never gonna remember that song again. People
Speaker 2: are like, oh, I like that. I'm like, girl, it's
Speaker 2: gone already, It's gone.
Speaker 3: You know. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.
Speaker 2: A minute ago you said you liked my top my song.
Speaker 3: I think like it keeps you fresh, keeps his toes.
Speaker 2: I feel like I have remember Dory from Home Finding Nemo.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh that's a good analogy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is that I am I am doing. I'm like,
Speaker 2: wait what, oh hey, turning around, Oh hey, how is
Speaker 2: your weekend?
Speaker 3: We was good. Weekend was good. We had you know,
Speaker 3: we had a little run in with a with a
Speaker 3: really mean German shepherd and now my poor dog is traumatized.
Speaker 3: So we're working through it. She is. It's so sad.
Speaker 3: What can you know, they're just like humans a little
Speaker 3: bit dogs, you know. She had this German shepherd came
Speaker 3: at us when we're on our walk. We walked past
Speaker 3: this house all the time, but this was the first time,
Speaker 3: this idiot homeowner had the the fence open and this
Speaker 3: massive dog came barreling out and it was too late.
Speaker 3: I couldn't do anything. She went right for Molly, and
Speaker 3: Molly seemed fine for the first couple of days. And
Speaker 3: then ever since you know, last I don't know, Monday
Speaker 3: or something, the poor girl has not wanted to leave
Speaker 3: our front yard and she just shakes and she quivers,
Speaker 3: and we've just had to I've been working with her,
Speaker 3: slowly but surely to like come over this fear of
Speaker 3: and I've been we've been watching a lot of like
Speaker 3: don't laugh at me, a lot of rerun like old
Speaker 3: episodes of the Dog whisper Fuck was so useful. Also,
Speaker 3: if you have a dog, I just found the episodes.
Speaker 3: We've been like binge watching a Dog's Whisperer, like two
Speaker 3: thousand and four episodes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, good stuff.
Speaker 2: But the dog didn't bite her, did he?
Speaker 3: No, it didn't. I mean she the owner ran out
Speaker 3: and called her off quickly, and I was really I mean,
Speaker 3: I was more afraid for Molly. I just got the
Speaker 3: hell out of there. I wasn't really thinking, oh, I
Speaker 3: need to like get a report you know, talk to
Speaker 3: this person. I just want to get my dog out
Speaker 3: of there as fast as I could. But I was,
Speaker 3: you know, looking back. He didn't even apologize. He just
Speaker 3: called the dog off and they, you know, they went away,
Speaker 3: which is honestly what I wanted them to do, which
Speaker 3: was like get away. But I don't know, I've been
Speaker 3: thinking about what to do. She didn't bite Molly. She
Speaker 3: didn't bite me, but she would have if he hadn't
Speaker 3: called her off because she was starting to go for
Speaker 3: Mollie's like her neck leg.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, my poor puppy. She's been through a lot,
Speaker 3: but she's she's good. We've been using a I was
Speaker 3: gonna do my brown boost for all, go ahead and
Speaker 3: say it now though. I've been using this app called Wag.
Speaker 3: W a g if you guys have a dog and
Speaker 3: you're wondering or you don't have a dog, like I
Speaker 3: didn't have a dog, and you're wondering, how can I
Speaker 3: possibly you know, have a dog when I work all
Speaker 3: day long and you know, how can I afford a
Speaker 3: dog walker or whatnot? We decided to start using this
Speaker 3: app called Wag, which is basically like dog walking Uber.
Speaker 3: So you create a schedule. You know, do you want
Speaker 3: to be do you want to walk tomorrow? Do you
Speaker 3: want to walk every Monday through Friday, you know, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,
Speaker 3: And then what time do you want it? And then
Speaker 3: Wag has this like concierge service where they go and
Speaker 3: find a vetted, interviewed, you know, dog walker in your
Speaker 3: area to take your schedule and awesome. Yeah, I was
Speaker 3: a little nervous because it's not like Uber, because it's
Speaker 3: a little bit like Uber. I mean, you are trusting
Speaker 3: a stranger with your life in a car, but to
Speaker 3: have someone you know come into your house and then
Speaker 3: trust them with your dog. I definitely checked into how
Speaker 3: they vet their dog walkers and most of the all
Speaker 3: the dog walkers have actual experience either dog walking or
Speaker 3: as an animal shelter volunteer or something like that. Okay,
Speaker 3: and I believe WAG will give you And this is
Speaker 3: not this is not a promotion, like I don't make
Speaker 3: any money off this. I'm just saying WAG will give
Speaker 3: you like a wag wock box where you can lead
Speaker 3: the key to your house. But we have like an
Speaker 3: electronic door code thingy where we created a special code
Speaker 3: for dog walkers, So okay, when he arrives, we know
Speaker 3: that he's arrived because he's used a special code and
Speaker 3: that's how he gets in. And but it's been really good.
Speaker 3: I mean I met him in person the first time
Speaker 3: he walked her, and then he's he's ended up being
Speaker 3: super nice and he's walking her every day. And the
Speaker 3: funny thing is like, yeah, when you're when your wag
Speaker 3: walk stop starts, you get like Apple alerts. And so
Speaker 3: the first day it was like, Molly pooped. Want to
Speaker 3: see where Molly Molly pede? Open up the wag gap
Speaker 3: to see and you can like cute. Yeah, so it's
Speaker 3: great and then I and then I feel I don't
Speaker 3: feel so bad leaving her at home because I know
Speaker 3: she's going to get like a thirty minute walk in
Speaker 3: the middle of the day and we don't have to
Speaker 3: rush home, you know, worried about her having an accident.
Speaker 2: So that's what that's what that's what dogs do. I
Speaker 2: forgot that, Like, that's what's so hard sometimes about having
Speaker 2: a dog is that you can't lead them home for
Speaker 2: too long because they we are going to have accident.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for sure, we had. We only had one accident,
Speaker 3: so far. It's because we were just gone too long.
Speaker 3: And oh I didn't mention the price. So the price
Speaker 3: of walking Molly in my neighborhood was seventeen dollars per walk.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's pretty good.
Speaker 3: Not terrible, especially when you you know, consider how much
Speaker 3: they're getting vetted and that. It just gives me peace
Speaker 3: of mind. So I'm on a happy camper. Hey, wag,
Speaker 3: you want to sponsor the show?
Speaker 2: Hey, you might hear a little bit of noise in
Speaker 2: the background. I mean, I'm in your old stopping ground,
Speaker 2: Jersey City.
Speaker 3: What's you even in my old city?
Speaker 2: Well, so for those of you who followed me as
Speaker 2: a bunchanista, you know, like my and I know Mandy,
Speaker 2: E've been like seeing all my ads, but my online school,
Speaker 2: the Liberature Academy. Actually, today is the day if you're
Speaker 2: listening live or listening like you know when we discoes live.
Speaker 2: The first time that the Academy is opening back up
Speaker 2: for registration. We've been closed for a couple of weeks
Speaker 2: because I just wanted to make it better, you know,
Speaker 2: like I I've been trying to struggle with you know,
Speaker 2: what do people really need? You know, when it comes
Speaker 2: to their personal finances, and I realized that everybody wants
Speaker 2: financial freedom. So I really worked really hard with some
Speaker 2: experts to create something called this financial Freedom Plan, and
Speaker 2: it took a lot of time and a lot of
Speaker 2: effort and a lot of money. So as a result,
Speaker 2: the Academy, I have to increase the price time, I know.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing, I actually don't feel bad about it,
Speaker 2: because one, I am giving people one last chance to
Speaker 2: lock in at its current rate, which is nine thousand,
Speaker 2: nine nine tens a month, so like ten bucks a month,
Speaker 2: which honestly it's nothing, and all my business colleagues and
Speaker 2: my business coach and everyone's like, you're crazy, but it
Speaker 2: was almost mostly be for six months. Three months later,
Speaker 2: three years later, we're still at like ten bucks a month,
Speaker 2: and so really the Academy's going to go to twenty
Speaker 2: nine to ninety nine a month. But I also know
Speaker 2: that some people can't afford that, so I said to
Speaker 2: my team, We're going to do one last kind of
Speaker 2: like registration push and the way what I've always hated, like,
Speaker 2: you know, because you heard Netflix is growing up in price.
Speaker 3: Right, oh they are? Again.
Speaker 2: I always feel like this that like if I am
Speaker 2: a loyal customer. Why do new people get better prices
Speaker 2: than me? I mean, I know why, but I just
Speaker 2: feel like that's not fair. So we want to do
Speaker 2: the opposite. So if you are a current Academy member,
Speaker 2: you will always pay nine thousand, nine nine tenents a month.
Speaker 2: And if you sign up now for this last kind
Speaker 2: of like this is our last registration where it's going
Speaker 2: to be nine thousand, nine nine tens a month, you
Speaker 2: will always be that, even after it goes to twenty
Speaker 2: nine ninety nine a month, even after re upgrade to
Speaker 2: the Academy two point zero with the Financial Freedom Plan,
Speaker 2: even ten years from now at the Academy's one hundred
Speaker 2: bucks a month. Let's just say so, it's kind of
Speaker 2: my way to say, if you invest in yourself, I
Speaker 2: really feel like you should be rewarded for that, And
Speaker 2: if you're loyal, I feel like you should be rewarded
Speaker 2: for that. So I'm super excited we're taking like a
Speaker 2: limited number of students. I always try to keep the
Speaker 2: Academy fairly small because we have about maybe like seventeen
Speaker 2: thousand students, but there are seven hundred thousand dream Catchers,
Speaker 2: so we typically keep registration pretty small. Because I really
Speaker 2: like that people get individualized attention because you've got a
Speaker 2: ton of experts and instructors, about fifty of them, and
Speaker 2: I want people to be able to ask the questions
Speaker 2: to get them answered. So if you're interested and you're listening,
Speaker 2: you can go to join LRA dot com joined with
Speaker 2: the L and R than a dot com from Literature
Speaker 2: Academy and locking your rate at nine thousand nine anetents
Speaker 2: a month because when the price goes up, I don't
Speaker 2: want to hear no complaints. I feel like I did
Speaker 2: all that I could to get everybody in at a
Speaker 2: super discounted rate.
Speaker 3: I think that's more than fair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3: I got a statement from a credit card company that
Speaker 3: was like, oh, we're increasing your rate because you've been
Speaker 3: a customer for twenty not twenty years. Okay, you've been
Speaker 3: a customer since two thousand and seven and everyone has
Speaker 3: a higher rate than you, so we're gonna watch that up.
Speaker 2: And I was like, what, Honestly, I don't think that's right. Honestly,
Speaker 2: I really, I mean I get it, because I get it.
Speaker 2: As a company, you have to make money, you have
Speaker 2: to pay staff, you have to so and inflation dictates
Speaker 2: that you have to charge more, but I feel like
Speaker 2: there has to be a better So I'm really trying
Speaker 2: out a different business model, which is one we're rored
Speaker 2: people who invest in themselves early or war people who
Speaker 2: take advantage of like, you know, good deals, and then
Speaker 2: not to say we're punishing new students who sign up later,
Speaker 2: who like don't catch the deal. But you know, it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: you know, you had plenty of time to lock this in,
Speaker 2: so anytime after that, So the we're gonna only have
Speaker 2: registration open just for a few days and then we
Speaker 2: won't open it back up again until like April or May,
Speaker 2: and by then it'll be the upgrade two point zero
Speaker 2: Academy and it'll be the new price of twenty nine
Speaker 2: ninety nine a month. But I don't feel like that's
Speaker 2: a punishment because honestly, even that slow in comparison to
Speaker 2: what we're what you're getting at the Liberature Academy, it's
Speaker 2: like a I don't feel like the Academy is right now.
Speaker 2: It's like a library of really dope classes and courses,
Speaker 2: and then when we upgrade to the two point zero,
Speaker 2: it's like the library. On top of that, it's also
Speaker 2: like this GPS system that we've created that walks you
Speaker 2: step by step, hand holding you to financial freedom. Like
Speaker 2: you know, a financial freedom means time with the kids,
Speaker 2: it means not working past forty five, if it means
Speaker 2: having three hundred thousand dollars stave, whatever that looks like
Speaker 2: for you. We want to create like a personalized plan
Speaker 2: and help you automate it and help you like achieve
Speaker 2: it because I always feel like what I'm working on
Speaker 2: for myself, I want for other people around me. So
Speaker 2: we're excited about this new shift. I don't know, like honestly,
Speaker 2: like it's a really exciting time because it's like, I
Speaker 2: don't know that there are other online platforms that are
Speaker 2: dedicated to your members. The where we are when we
Speaker 2: go above and beyond, Like I'm in Jersey City because
Speaker 2: I actually flew out half my team to help make
Speaker 2: sure that tomorrow when we reopen the doors, that there
Speaker 2: are no issues. I have my tech support here, I've
Speaker 2: got my marketing person here, I've got everyone's here, like
Speaker 2: customer supporters here. Everyone's here to make sure that when
Speaker 2: the door's open, well not tomorrow, Like those of you
Speaker 2: guys are listening, it's today, but that there's no issue
Speaker 2: when you go to join lry to sign up. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so hopefully I'll see you inside of your academy. I
Speaker 2: know most of you are many of you are are
Speaker 2: members already, but it's just like it's exciting to me
Speaker 2: you guys in person and hear all the amazing stories
Speaker 2: of transformation.
Speaker 3: Thank listen, I still pay for the subway even though
Speaker 3: they never they always increase their rates and never improve service.
Speaker 3: So these are improving something. Did you see this story
Speaker 3: though about like Becky from Full House and the City
Speaker 3: Huffman from Desperate Housewives, like they were arrested. I didn't
Speaker 3: realize they were arrested, arrested today and charged with paying
Speaker 3: hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes to cheat their
Speaker 3: daughters into college. This is crazy. Let me read the
Speaker 3: story from USA today. So they report that they were
Speaker 3: charged along with nearly fifty other people in the scheme
Speaker 3: which wealthy parents allegedly bribed college coaches and insiders. At
Speaker 3: College Testing Centrist, we need to have Lynette Califoni Cox
Speaker 3: on the phone for this because first of all, she
Speaker 3: has made a career right of talking about how she
Speaker 3: gets her kids. So many scholarships and doing it the
Speaker 3: right way anyway. So fifty parents scheming college coaches and
Speaker 3: insiders at college testing centers to help get their children
Speaker 3: into some of the most elites schools in the country.
Speaker 3: That is insane.
Speaker 2: I mean, I I just want to be like, isn't
Speaker 2: that serious?
Speaker 3: I guess so. I mean they were they were like
Speaker 3: paying people to take SAT tests for them. They were
Speaker 3: paying people to like put on their applications that they
Speaker 3: were like recruited for athletics. They would get treated differently
Speaker 3: through the application process apparently.
Speaker 2: So I just feel like, I don't know, like it
Speaker 2: just does seem because what are you really teaching your kid? Like, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, if you don't have the grades, if you
Speaker 2: don't have the aptitude, how are you going to survive
Speaker 2: at Princeton anyway? You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: No, that's true, That's very true, because you're I mean,
Speaker 3: I'd be curious to see this all happened, like I
Speaker 3: think it's. The report says in twenty sixteen, some of
Speaker 3: these parents, including full House Becky was full House Becky,
Speaker 3: Come on, Becky, I know anyway, they say that they
Speaker 3: this all happened to like twenty sixteen, So I wonder, like,
Speaker 3: are the kids in the schools now do they get
Speaker 3: taken out?
Speaker 2: I know, and all just stuff, But what are you
Speaker 2: really teaching your child? That's why you know they grew
Speaker 2: up to be like the current president of the United States,
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 3: But this all goes back to, like I mean, not
Speaker 3: just all goes back, but so many parents today are
Speaker 3: just the amount of money pouring into children for like
Speaker 3: education and especially I mean this isn't necessarily about college,
Speaker 3: but like even at the primary school high school level,
Speaker 3: like in studies like New York, where parents are shelling
Speaker 3: out tens of thousands of dollars a year just for
Speaker 3: like public school or private school, but like an education
Speaker 3: where you know, it's just very competitive and there's like
Speaker 3: there's this desperation to get the best for your kid.
Speaker 3: And I can almost see how parents just take it
Speaker 3: like way too far.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it just they just do. Because here's
Speaker 2: the thing. I mean, they've shown over and over and
Speaker 2: over again that you know, success really comes from like,
Speaker 2: you know, integrity. I'm a I guess it depends what
Speaker 2: you define success as you know, that like true success,
Speaker 2: like you know, like feeling like ownership and pride and
Speaker 2: you know, what you've accomplished doesn't come from cheating your
Speaker 2: way to the top. Because here's the thing, you know,
Speaker 2: I know a ton of people who have all this
Speaker 2: accomplishments and all this money and all this this, but
Speaker 2: they're not particularly happy. And I guess it's like, is
Speaker 2: that really success? I don't know. It just seems like
Speaker 2: all too much. And I'm not gonna lie though. I
Speaker 2: went to Westfield High School, WI to predominantly not brown
Speaker 2: ambition school, We'll just say that. And I remember Lisa,
Speaker 2: my baby sister, was telling me that they were talking
Speaker 2: about privilege in school. I forget what class it was.
Speaker 2: And he said, stand up if you've never had your
Speaker 2: parent call and get a grade change for you, And
Speaker 2: Lisa stood up, like okay, all of us, and she
Speaker 2: was the only one, the only one. And he said, Lisa,
Speaker 2: please thank your parents for me. Every single student I
Speaker 2: didn't even know that existed, and parents called in, you know,
Speaker 2: called the principal, called super calls. It's gonna my child
Speaker 2: is not getting this great da da da da da.
Speaker 2: Like that just seems that was mind bodeling to me,
Speaker 2: that like, and it just set the tone for like, oh, so,
Speaker 2: y'all in here just getting these inflated fake grades while
Speaker 2: I'm over here busting out behind But then you want
Speaker 2: to tell me I need to be in the slow
Speaker 2: class or whatever. You know. Yeah, it's just honestly, it's
Speaker 2: an egregious use of privilege.
Speaker 3: Well I wonder, I just wonder what happens to the kids,
Speaker 3: and like, how if they knew what was going on?
Speaker 3: If I mean, how furious would you be if you
Speaker 3: found out your parents does something like that for you
Speaker 3: and then jeopardize your reputation. I mean, that's that's just sad.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that is your That is your flash headline
Speaker 3: update of the evening. What else has been happening in
Speaker 3: the world?
Speaker 2: There was I can't even it was a story, but
Speaker 2: I'm it's like about a basketball player and it's like
Speaker 2: how fans have been like so racially charged toward them,
Speaker 2: and how I think one of the I forget the name,
Speaker 2: I was like, I just had it in front of me,
Speaker 2: but he I guess he fought back and they're trying
Speaker 2: to like attack him. They're like, yeah, but what about
Speaker 2: the fans that you know? This one fan and his
Speaker 2: wife told him get on your knees like you used
Speaker 2: to or something like your people used to it something
Speaker 2: like that that I just I know. And so he
Speaker 2: was like, I guess this particular basketball player. Of course
Speaker 2: I can't remember his name. I can't find him. I think,
Speaker 2: is it darn it, yeah, I can't find I just
Speaker 2: think that, like, yeah, I just think that, like, I
Speaker 2: don't know that when people are What I just learned
Speaker 2: is that when people on the spot like the spotlight
Speaker 2: could just be so cruel. People think they can say
Speaker 2: whatever they want to you, and God forbid you say
Speaker 2: or do anything back. Then all of a sudden, you're unprofessional.
Speaker 2: I wonder when did that become the rule that the
Speaker 2: public at large is allowed to be abusive, but a
Speaker 2: company or an individual on the spot like cannot retaliate
Speaker 2: or say anything back. I think that that's just unfair.
Speaker 2: That's why, honestly, my block game is strong. If you
Speaker 2: say something even a little bit sideways to me, because
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not in this screenshot culture. I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna clap back to you can screenshot and be like
Speaker 2: look what Tiffany said, you know, so instead I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: you block from everything, I will block you from the
Speaker 2: email list, I will block you from the Facebook group,
Speaker 2: I will block you from everything. You won't get any
Speaker 2: more resources from me. Mama not talking to me crazy
Speaker 2: and then hit me later like I'm sooe sorry. You
Speaker 2: know sometimes I've gotten that people talk crazy and then
Speaker 2: they say they're so sorry. I'm like, yes, you are sorry.
Speaker 2: Black So you can't contact me this way either. People have,
Speaker 2: but E actually started new emails or new Facebook pages
Speaker 2: or new Instagrams to tell me please let me back
Speaker 2: in now, because now you're you're showing me displays of
Speaker 2: crazy on top of meanness?
Speaker 3: Did I mention? Did I mention way back when when
Speaker 3: I had a candidate apply for a writing job and
Speaker 3: then didn't get the job, and then just la ambassadors
Speaker 3: on Greenhouse or not Greenhouse glassdoor dot com and like
Speaker 3: wrote this really very specific review of the interviewing process.
Speaker 3: Very negative review is so much so specific that you
Speaker 3: can easily like I could easily tell who it was,
Speaker 3: you know, even though it was anonymous. And then recently
Speaker 3: she applied for another job here it's like the audacity. Yes,
Speaker 3: when I saw her resume come through, I'm like, where
Speaker 3: what what?
Speaker 2: Oh? So I know that the player's name, it's Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 2: Sorry you Tah from the Utah Jazz. Okay, but yeah,
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's just but can you imagine, But it's
Speaker 2: it seems to me that it's people like that that
Speaker 2: you know, It's like you pay money to come to
Speaker 2: the game, you apply for a job here, you say
Speaker 2: all this crazy stuff, and now you're back. What it's
Speaker 2: to me, maybe it's just a level of like mental
Speaker 2: instability or something like that. But like I said, I
Speaker 2: honestly can say that I do not engage. Every once
Speaker 2: in a while, I'll be a little bit petty and
Speaker 2: I'll send them a heart and then block them so
Speaker 2: that way they're like, oh I got a response from her.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, I can't see it. But like that's as
Speaker 2: petty as I get, because I'm like, girl, I don't
Speaker 2: have time with this.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I just I mean, there's people who deserve
Speaker 3: a negative reputation and people calling them out for it.
Speaker 3: But I feel like, you know, everyone has haters, and
Speaker 3: especially as you start to like build your business or
Speaker 3: you become a you know, more successful in your career.
Speaker 3: And I found this to be true, Like for myself,
Speaker 3: I pissed people off regularly. You know, it's just part
Speaker 3: of the job. Sometimes you have to give feedback that's critical.
Speaker 3: You have to drop people from the team who aren't contributing,
Speaker 3: you know, holding their weight, and you have to mentally
Speaker 3: prepare yourself for the backlash like I've had. I've had
Speaker 3: freelance writers threatened my life, threatened to like come. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I've had people tell me that I'll be sorry forever
Speaker 3: cutting them from the our freelancer team. There's there's one
Speaker 3: every six months, like a crazy person who comes, and
Speaker 3: or ones that have tried to post publicly about working
Speaker 3: with us and say things that aren't true about working
Speaker 3: with us. And I've always had to just shut up
Speaker 3: and never and this is this is as much as
Speaker 3: I've ever said about any of this ever happening, because
Speaker 3: I know if I say something, I don't want to
Speaker 3: jeopardize myself with my with my company. And also I
Speaker 3: know the truth, which is that if you ask the
Speaker 3: whole of our the people who work with us, or
Speaker 3: if you ask the person every person I work with
Speaker 3: in my career on a you would get a positive experience. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there'd be a couple of negatives because that's just life.
Speaker 3: But if on the on average, you have you know,
Speaker 3: great experiences in your fair and ethical and you treat
Speaker 3: people right, then all this like the negative will just
Speaker 3: get faded out. And like you'll see people that we
Speaker 3: have worked with us and with me who have come
Speaker 3: to our defense when they've seen yeah, criticisms like that.
Speaker 3: And so I think the high road, like when they
Speaker 3: go low, we go hig I Michelle Obama right, Like
Speaker 3: that's the only way you can. That's the best way,
Speaker 3: even though it's frustrating and like really hard sometimes to
Speaker 3: just zip your lips and just let the haters shout
Speaker 3: and yell.
Speaker 2: No no, I agree. Honestly, I feel like my job
Speaker 2: is always to make a liar out of the hater,
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? Like, you know, like okay,
Speaker 2: if one person says something so terrible and I've had
Speaker 2: I remember one time somebody's mad at me. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Something was posted in the DreamCatcher group and she posted
Speaker 2: something and it was deleted. But it wasn't me because
Speaker 2: kind of well I've got like fifteen admins, so but
Speaker 2: it wasn't It wasn't finance related. It was about like
Speaker 2: her time land trip, I don't know, something so she
Speaker 2: went on I didn't know, but she herself was like
Speaker 2: a businesswoman, and I think, I don't know what she taught,
Speaker 2: but she you know, she had a pretty decent violence.
Speaker 2: So then she went on her personal Facebook page. And
Speaker 2: this is meanwhile, like the day after I had my
Speaker 2: fiveboard search, so I wasn't even like on Facebook. I
Speaker 2: it wasn't until actually, Tila, you know, one of our great,
Speaker 2: awesome financial friends, was like, h someone that's posting about
Speaker 2: you and it's pretty nasty. Are you like what happened?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, uh too, I'm in the hospital, like
Speaker 2: recovering from fireboard surgery and I didn't do anything. Are
Speaker 2: you short about me? She's like, she didn't say my name,
Speaker 2: but she was like mm, the way she described you,
Speaker 2: it's pretty specific and it's very obvious that she's talking
Speaker 2: about you. And I was like, okay, So I wanted
Speaker 2: to read it, and I was like so disheartened because
Speaker 2: this it was a woman who had like a dope
Speaker 2: business and she seemed like, you know, like another sister,
Speaker 2: and the fact that she was like dragging me and
Speaker 2: literally I'm like, yo, I'm I'm in the hospital. I
Speaker 2: don't even know I don't know what the post was,
Speaker 2: but does it warrant you're about Thailand being removed from
Speaker 2: a Facebook group? Does it warrant this public like dragging?
Speaker 2: I just remember thinking like wow. But what I really
Speaker 2: loved was in the comment. I mean, there are some
Speaker 2: people in the comments who are like, says she jealousy
Speaker 2: because you know, they didn't know me, they didn't know
Speaker 2: who she was talking about. They were just in general says,
Speaker 2: people be jealous of you, says you know. And then
Speaker 2: but then people who knew, like, are you talking about Tiffany? Wait,
Speaker 2: Tiffany is so I would say, you know, two thirds
Speaker 2: of the comments were like, girl, are you crazy? Like
Speaker 2: that's not Tiffany, Like are you sure? One? You know,
Speaker 2: she's got a team of admins, And maybe if you
Speaker 2: would have written her personally, you wouldn't have had all
Speaker 2: of this. So it was just great to see how
Speaker 2: many people came to my defense because what she's saying
Speaker 2: just wasn't true. And the fact of the matter is
Speaker 2: literally I had no idea. And then I was gonna
Speaker 2: actually reach out to her and say I'm so sorry
Speaker 2: you had a negative experience. But then I thought about it,
Speaker 2: and I thought Tiffany, this is a poisonous, cancerous person.
Speaker 2: What because and if someone would do this over a
Speaker 2: Facebook post about Thailand being deleted, why would I want
Speaker 2: to make any sort of connection. So honestly, I didn't
Speaker 2: say anything. I didn't comment, I didn't anything. I didn't
Speaker 2: She eventually reached out to me an email and messaged me.
Speaker 2: I didn't reply because I was like, yeah, I'm good
Speaker 2: on cancer, you know, And so I've just learned that,
Speaker 2: like you know, sometimes people do things like that and
Speaker 2: it's really it's unfortunate, but you know, eventually it dies down,
Speaker 2: everybody goes back to their corner, and some other drama
Speaker 2: picks up again, and somebody else can focus on something else.
Speaker 2: But I just remember, honestly, more than anything else, feeling
Speaker 2: hurt because I had, like, you know, when I looked
Speaker 2: at her business and like started to I admired her business,
Speaker 2: and I thought like, wow, but like, look, you know,
Speaker 2: she's got a lot of time on her hands. Eventually,
Speaker 2: you know, apparently to attack over a Facebook post. I
Speaker 2: just thought to myself, where there's something not right there,
Speaker 2: there's something unhappy there, because I can't imagine myself. I've
Speaker 2: been in plenty of Facebook groups where my posts had
Speaker 2: been removed, I guess, and it doesn't you know. My
Speaker 2: reaction was never to like drag and attack another person.
Speaker 2: I've never dragged to attack another person on that mean,
Speaker 2: maybe the price, but I mean he deserves it.
Speaker 3: But you know even that, I just even that, like
Speaker 3: I mean, the Internet, I just I don't know. I'm
Speaker 3: just I've I feel like everyone, a lot of people
Speaker 3: are like posting less these days, and part of me
Speaker 3: is like, first the fear around you just you hear
Speaker 3: people getting fired over their tweets so they wrote years ago,
Speaker 3: and I'm just like, for my own self preservation, I
Speaker 3: just don't feel like it's worth it to post or
Speaker 3: to tweet, you know, everything that I feel about something,
Speaker 3: And a lot of people are doing it because you
Speaker 3: get addicted to the feedback and the likes and the
Speaker 3: retweets and stuff, and I just I let that go.
Speaker 3: But anyway, like the high road is usually the best way,
Speaker 3: and if you know who you are, then pissing people
Speaker 3: off every once in a while, it's just part of
Speaker 3: the course, man.
Speaker 2: And we have just a little bit of time to
Speaker 2: take a question you want to take at least one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's take one question. We've got a good one.
Speaker 3: Let's see if she want us to use her name.
Speaker 3: She doesn't say, okay, so I'm going to call her out.
Speaker 3: Her name is ooh, this is a pretty name, Artisia
Speaker 3: or Artisia. Artiza says, Hey, Tip and Mandy, your show
Speaker 3: is a godsend. Aw thank you for sharing your experience.
Speaker 3: And she heard this is her question. Artija says, I'm
Speaker 3: a black woman. I'm a black young woman who's quickly
Speaker 3: approaching thirty, and I want to know what's the best
Speaker 3: way to deal with the hurt and anger from noticeable
Speaker 3: special treatment when it comes to career development given to
Speaker 3: other non brown colleagues in corporate America best regards. Ooh,
Speaker 3: good question. Oh yeah. I mean this is the kind
Speaker 3: of thing that it's so hard to say out loud
Speaker 3: to anyone, to anyone who's not also a person of color,
Speaker 3: because you know, even if they're not saying it, they're thinking, well,
Speaker 3: how do you know that other non around people are
Speaker 3: getting special treatment? Like do they just work harder than you? Huh? Yeah.
Speaker 3: This is the reason why I I'm so grateful for
Speaker 3: the slack group that I'm in. I went to this.
Speaker 3: I have a group of friends who are also in
Speaker 3: the media professionals managing teams, and we started this Slack
Speaker 3: group and it's all people of color, and it is
Speaker 3: where I go to vent about exactly this. Things that
Speaker 3: you can't control, like I can't you know, in your position,
Speaker 3: walking into your boss's office and claiming that they're being
Speaker 3: they're giving special treatment to people of other genders or
Speaker 3: other races. It's probably not going to do anything for you,
Speaker 3: maybe the truth, but it may hurt you in your career. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So I use this group as a sounding board. So
Speaker 3: my first piece of advice is to create a little
Speaker 3: even if it's just three people, you know, four or
Speaker 3: five people group, get a group text, get a Slack group,
Speaker 3: get an email chain going, and just vent things out
Speaker 3: and then ask them what they might do and get
Speaker 3: their advice. And especially if they're people in a similar
Speaker 3: field as you, they'll have more specific guidance for someone
Speaker 3: in your situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, I don't even have any I mean, I'll
Speaker 2: share this that I was working with a brand a
Speaker 2: little while ago and they didn't want to pay me.
Speaker 2: They said my rates were too high, And thankfully I
Speaker 2: knew someone who was familiar with that brand and like
Speaker 2: work with them, And she asked them straight up, are
Speaker 2: Tiffany's rates higher than the white guys you pay with
Speaker 2: less of an audience, And there was a lot of stuttering.
Speaker 2: They're like, no, no, has she outpriced herself from because
Speaker 2: you know that's reasonable. And the answer was no, that
Speaker 2: my rates were not higher than the white guys, and
Speaker 2: I generated more buzz, more feed, like my return was larger.
Speaker 2: So what are you saying? And sometimes it's just so
Speaker 2: frustrating because you're just like so, I'm like, well, bro, like, honestly,
Speaker 2: take it. Here's the thing. It's analosly. It's one of
Speaker 2: the reasons why I structured my business in the way
Speaker 2: that I have, where it's more B two C than
Speaker 2: B to B. So B two C is a business
Speaker 2: a consumer versus business a business, meaning like I served dreamcatchers,
Speaker 2: I served dream builders. I serve women, largely women of color,
Speaker 2: and that's where the majority of my income comes from.
Speaker 2: On purpose, So when a brand tries to get cute
Speaker 2: like brah, you hit me in my inbox. I was
Speaker 2: always good living my best life, helping dreamcatchers live their
Speaker 2: best life. You came to me saying, hey, want some
Speaker 2: of that black girl magic, but don't want to pay
Speaker 2: for it. Yo, It's so frustrating, and so sometimes you're
Speaker 2: just like because like, honestly, it's one of like you know,
Speaker 2: we have like y'all know that we always talk about Fincon.
Speaker 2: That's like the financial bloggers conference that me and Mandy
Speaker 2: used to go to. And I mean, I mean, I
Speaker 2: guess I'll still go eventually, but anyway, but I remember
Speaker 2: just being so frustrated and listening to like our white
Speaker 2: colleagues talk about all of the brand money and sponsorship
Speaker 2: this and that, and they didn't even have happy audiences.
Speaker 2: And I'm just like, yo, not not even have the
Speaker 2: engagement now, you know, it's so frustrating when you know
Speaker 2: what it is, but god bid you should say something
Speaker 2: that it's like you're the mad black girl. And honestly,
Speaker 2: I don't. Honestly, I don't know the solution for me.
Speaker 2: The solution has just been for me. It just became
Speaker 2: creating an environment for myself where I can succeed and
Speaker 2: trying not to focus on when you know those things happen.
Speaker 2: And honestly, these days, like I've told so many brands
Speaker 2: to kick Rocks. I'm like, Okay, we'll go go get
Speaker 2: such and such. Then who doesn't deliver? But you did,
Speaker 2: but he but he wants full price, and then they
Speaker 2: always come back, Oh it's no, You're either gonna pay
Speaker 2: or go because the truth is, I don't need it,
Speaker 2: you know, like I created a life for myself where
Speaker 2: I can tell you the kick Rocks, I don't need it,
Speaker 2: you know, Like it's great working with brands, but it
Speaker 2: is not my bread and butter on purpose because you're
Speaker 2: not going to be able to tell me what I'm worth.
Speaker 2: I tell you, and you either pay it or you
Speaker 2: don't pay it. And it sucks when you're in corporate
Speaker 2: America because you can't always do that. But like I think,
Speaker 2: like Mandy said, have it a support group and asking
Speaker 2: advice to people who are in that situation the circumstance,
Speaker 2: because I feel like I'm too rebellious. I'm like that turn.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, being thirty and working for and feeling
Speaker 3: like you're in a position where so much of your
Speaker 3: career success is dependent on other people. That freaking sucks.
Speaker 3: And I think a lot of people can relate to that.
Speaker 3: I as quickly as I could, I don't think I
Speaker 3: knew it instinctively or the reason I was pushing so
Speaker 3: hard to advance my career so I was in a
Speaker 3: position of authority quickly or more quickly than I might
Speaker 3: have been if I had stayed where I was. But
Speaker 3: I think that is what it comes down to you.
Speaker 3: At a certain point, I just wanted to have the
Speaker 3: power to not only to not only steer my own
Speaker 3: destiny in my career, but also to help others and
Speaker 3: to be in a position of power so I could
Speaker 3: turn around and help people like you, or at least
Speaker 3: break down some of those barriers, or be an additional
Speaker 3: person of color at the table making those decisions. But
Speaker 3: you say, specifically, Artezia, that there's noticeable special treatment when
Speaker 3: it comes to career development at your workplace, I would say,
Speaker 3: as much as you can get around the barriers. So
Speaker 3: if there's a special development career development fund that you
Speaker 3: have access to, but you feel like your other colleagues
Speaker 3: in the office are getting recommendation letters from people or
Speaker 3: getting more support finding opportunities, you may have to do
Speaker 3: the extra groundwork and just start looking for career development
Speaker 3: opportunities for yourself outside of the organization you know I've
Speaker 3: done that. I've done a couple of leadership development institutes
Speaker 3: that have been super helpful for me, did not come
Speaker 3: from my HR team. And you know you could do that.
Speaker 3: You could get mentors, ask specifically people in the company
Speaker 3: to mentor you, even if they're not offering it. You know,
Speaker 3: force them to tell you. Instead of telling yourself a
Speaker 3: story about way why they may not be mentoring you,
Speaker 3: you know, suck it up and just ask them point blank,
Speaker 3: you know, will you mentor me? I see myself going here?
Speaker 3: Will you give me guidance? Don't give them an opportunity,
Speaker 3: you know, to ignore you is is a bit of
Speaker 3: advice there, And if it really is like a toxic environment,
Speaker 3: do what you can to get the hell out. You're
Speaker 3: only thirty, you know you can pivot. Pivot girl, pivote.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm like revolts. I'm like Mandy has very good
Speaker 2: advice follow back.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you need to get paid. You can revolt,
Speaker 3: but revolt strategically, yea revolt your way out of there.
Speaker 3: You know, if you want to launch a business, you
Speaker 3: can't do that. You know on a whim. You have
Speaker 3: to also plan your exit from corporate America too, So
Speaker 3: take your time, hang in there, create your create your
Speaker 3: own little group of support to vent to as well,
Speaker 3: and thank you for your question. You guys can hit
Speaker 3: us up at Brandanmission podcast dot com with your questions,
Speaker 3: hit ask us anything, or email us directly at Brandanmission
Speaker 3: Podcast at gmail dot com.
Speaker 1: Come, it's time for wins wins for Wednesday.
Speaker 3: Well we stopped doing wins though, Oh that's right.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I don't brown Blake brown boost. You know what
Speaker 2: I think that I feel like earlier you said that
Speaker 2: you were going to do a brown break and I
Speaker 2: just thought that myself, I like, I equated that to
Speaker 2: a win, and then that was like wins anyway down
Speaker 2: in a bag ground break brown Bruce. But I know
Speaker 2: you said you were going to do a brown boot,
Speaker 2: so boost it up.
Speaker 3: I'm going to use my boosts. My boost is the
Speaker 3: Wag app for you dog owners out there, and I'm
Speaker 3: going to save my other boosts. I want to do
Speaker 3: a special episode in the coming weeks on how your
Speaker 3: car is making you go broke because this is something
Speaker 3: that I know Tiff and I have talked about how
Speaker 3: you know Superman had auto debt and wanted to like
Speaker 3: buy a brand new truck or whatever, and wanted you
Speaker 3: to co sign his loan. But I have statistics. We
Speaker 3: recently did a study at lending Tree of auto loan
Speaker 3: debt in America, and this is my theory. I feel
Speaker 3: like people could really have they could live debt free.
Speaker 3: They could say for that vacation, they could afford anything
Speaker 3: if they just paid off their car and had no
Speaker 3: car note. And I've got the stats. I want to
Speaker 3: share it in an episode next week. And well, I
Speaker 3: want to dedicate a whole show to talking about auto
Speaker 3: loans and how crazy they're, crazy, out of control they've gotten.
Speaker 2: And I'll okay you no, no, I love that. So honestly,
Speaker 2: my win is going to be what I said earlier
Speaker 2: today too, just one last chance to lock in the
Speaker 2: Liberature Academy at super low rates, and so because I'm
Speaker 2: just really proud of it, because it's something. The truth is,
Speaker 2: it's related to the question today because I honestly started
Speaker 2: the Liberature Academy because I said, I want to create
Speaker 2: something that's really like B two C. But then also
Speaker 2: it's a business, you know, because the challenges are all free,
Speaker 2: the Facebook groups, my goodie emails, we were all free
Speaker 2: and they were amazing, and they still are free and amazing.
Speaker 2: But I wanted to create a business of service and
Speaker 2: the Liberature Academy is my opportunity to do so. And
Speaker 2: what it allows me to do is it allows me
Speaker 2: to continue to give more than eighty percent of what
Speaker 2: I do away for free, while still being able to
Speaker 2: hire other brown women, you know, still being able to
Speaker 2: like run this dope business, still being able to like
Speaker 2: give so much. So yeah, if you want to be
Speaker 2: a part of the Academy, And like I said, it's
Speaker 2: song like ten bucks a month, under ten bucks a month,
Speaker 2: it's like twenty two cents a day or something like that.
Speaker 2: It's join l r a dot com and I hope
Speaker 2: to see you inside.
Speaker 3: All right, Well, go enjoy the rest of your congress
Speaker 3: on the launch. Thank good luck, Thank you. They hated
Speaker 3: Jersey City for me.
Speaker 2: I will this was just so cute. I have to say.
Speaker 2: Another win is this Airbnb, Mandy. Honestly, this is one
Speaker 2: of those beautiful Brownstones. It is gorgeous.
Speaker 3: You need to go to Choco Pond French Bakery. Listen
Speaker 3: to me, what is my old street called? I forgot
Speaker 3: what my old Jersey Avenue. It's right by the Grove
Speaker 3: Street station. Anyone listening in Jersey you can go. Also
Speaker 3: does that Brandon Bishon listener I saw on the train
Speaker 3: that day. You should go Chaco Pon, the best Croissan,
Speaker 3: the best French pastry, the best coffee.
Speaker 2: Go okay, show all right until next week.