1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Body Bus with Joseph's gotten more. 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 2: There are so many times in the life where we're 3 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 2: in the middle of whatever it is, tough times that 4 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 2: we're going through, maybe even happy times, we sit back 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 2: and say, you know what I wish. I wish I 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 2: knew what the future held. I wish that I could 7 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 2: reach reach to the veil, if you will, and try 8 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 2: to predict my next move. Well, how am I going 9 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 2: to spend the time that I have? Let's you say, 10 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 2: And a lot of people wonder this. I think they're 11 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 2: out there. When am I going to pass on? When 12 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 2: is my life going to come to an end? And 13 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 2: it's been amazing if you were armed with that information, 14 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 2: what exactly would you do? 15 00:00:58,120 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: Well? 16 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 2: Today? Today we actually have an individual who knows when 17 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 2: she's going to pass on. 18 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: The question is. 19 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 2: What are you going to do at a time she 20 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 2: has left? Right now referring to the murderer, the killer 21 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 2: of Colleen Slimmer, her name is Krista Pike. The grains 22 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 2: of sand are trickling through the hour class as I 23 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 2: speak right now. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is 24 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 2: body Bags. So many times, Dave, in my life, I've 25 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 2: you know, and it's always, you know, I mean, we 26 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 2: have no other choices. Always retrospectively, you know, you're sitting 27 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 2: there and you're thinking, Wow, I had that to do 28 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 2: over again, I probably would not have made that decision, 29 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 2: or I would have, you know, tried to do better, 30 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 2: or I never would have put myself in that position. 31 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 2: But it's an interesting, interesting set of circumstances that you're in, 32 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: I think in life, where you know that the terminus 33 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 2: rest ahead and you can almost see it over the 34 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 2: crest of the next hill, and miss Pike has put 35 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 2: herself in that position. Day from arguably one of the 36 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 2: most horrific cases. I think perhaps there's another one that 37 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 2: actually rivals that we've previously covered on bodybacks, but one 38 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 2: of the most horrific cases perhaps in Tennessee History. 39 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: Day January twelfth, nineteen ninety five, Krista Pike leured someone 40 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: she saw as a romantic rival in their job course situation. 41 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: Her name Colleen Slimmer, woman's nineteen years old. They're both 42 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: at job corps. But Krista Pike thinks or believes that 43 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: Colleen has eyes for Christmas boyfriend. So she puts a 44 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: game in play. I'm going to lure this girl out, 45 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: and based on what took place, Joe, it wasn't to 46 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: scare her, it wasn't to threaten her. Because based on 47 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 1: what we know took place, which I have questions for 48 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: you today. We have covered this story on bodybags previously, 49 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: but I want to get right into the murder of 50 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: Colleen Slimmer and what Christaph Pike did to her that night, 51 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: because on the outside looking in, you were thinking maybe 52 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: it was a threat that got out of hand. Hey, 53 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: you're hitting on my boyfriend. Stay away from him. I 54 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: don't want to hear any more about this. You stay 55 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: away from my man, and that it got out of hand, 56 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: you know, That's that's kind of the way it gets positioned. 57 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: But based on what we knew took know took place, 58 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: and the time after it. Thankfully, if you're a death 59 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: penalty proponent, this is the one you should look at. 60 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: This is the person you should look at. But I'm 61 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: still shocked and saddened that it has taken. If we're 62 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: going to have the death penalty, why does it take 63 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: thirty years? 64 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 2: Joe? It has the point, Yeah, it has taken. Well, 65 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 2: there's no deterrent. There's no deterrent factor any longer. You know, 66 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 2: it's not it's not one of these things where you know, 67 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 2: we're doing this to deter future crimes such as this. Really, 68 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 2: is that what you're going to tell me, because I 69 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 2: got I gotta tell you, it just doesn't seem like 70 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 2: much of a deterrent. We've talked about this, We've we've 71 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: covered Wow, we've covered actually we've dipped our toe in 72 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 2: waters that most people I think don't necessarily go down 73 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: the road of because you and I had come to 74 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 2: an agreement some time ago that that we we would 75 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 2: cover capital punishment or the end result of their decisions 76 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: that they made that led to them being you know, 77 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 2: killed by the state, these perpetrators, if we could focus 78 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: on the victim, because you know, that's the one thing 79 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 2: about it. These things come into the news and right now, 80 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 2: if you looked up Colleen's name, this is kind of 81 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: sad you looked up Colleen's name right now and did 82 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 2: a Google search on her, Well, it's not her name, 83 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 2: it's going to pop up. It's Krista Pyke's. And that's 84 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 2: the way it always happens with capital punishment cases, you know, 85 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: because the victims most of the time are a distant memory. 86 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 2: There's someone you know that is I don't know for 87 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 2: people in the modern context. And I say that, you know, 88 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 2: thirty years later, modern context, they don't. They no longer have. 89 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 2: There's not even really a remnant around of these individuals 90 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 2: other than the loved ones. And this is probably the 91 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 2: most important. But other than the loved ones that hold 92 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 2: their memory, you know, deer, they're the ones that sit 93 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 2: in silence, you know, all these years, wanting some kind 94 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 2: of answer, and most of the time you get people 95 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 2: chirping in and chiming in about how evil the death 96 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 2: penalty is, and they not necessarily have given two hoots 97 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 2: in hell about this person to begin with. 98 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: You know, I did a Google stary twin you said 99 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: that I typed in Colleen Slimmer, Yeah, and immediately it 100 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: pops up, and here are the top stories that popped 101 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: up the headlines, right, I've got one to three, four, five, 102 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: five pictures pop up on the screen with stories associated 103 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 1: with them. All of them are pictures of Krista Pike yeah, 104 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: and USA Today, foxnewspeople dot Com and so on, And 105 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 1: it's all about execution date set or Krista Pike and 106 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: again thirty years after the fact, Joe. And why do 107 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: they give her a year out? Because as we're talking 108 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: about this, they just set the execution date and it's 109 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: for a year away, a year away. Why isn't it 110 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: not forty eight hours. I mean, you've had thirty years. 111 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: After thirty years, if you haven't found a reason to 112 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: not carry this out, I'm going to say, I think 113 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: whenever there's a death penalty case, I know that it's 114 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: an automatic appeal, which I get that not a problem. 115 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: Examine all the things that took place, you know, and 116 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: because you got to remember, to get to that conviction, 117 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: a jury of your peers sat, they hurt all the evidence, 118 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: they went up everything, and they decided unanimously that this 119 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: person deserved death as a punishment, as a penalty for 120 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: their crime. It wasn't willy nilly, It wasn't you know, 121 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: it was monitored the entire time. How the attorney's handled 122 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: it all the way through the judge. I mean, there's 123 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: all kinds of safe guards in there. 124 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, there are, and as a matter of fact, coming 125 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 2: to attorneys in most states. And I don't know if 126 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 2: if our friends are aware of this, but in most states, 127 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 2: if you're going to be on the I think it 128 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 2: applies to prosecution and defense. If you're going to be 129 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 2: on either of those teams, you have to be death 130 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: penalty qualified in order to move forward with a case 131 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 2: where you've got capital punishment, you know, staring down, staring 132 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 2: down the accused at that point in time. And that 133 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 2: goes to this idea of protections because it's so much 134 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 2: more complex based upon you know, this thing. If there 135 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 2: is if there is a guilty and if there is 136 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 2: sentencing that winds up in canpital punishment, it's automatic appeal. 137 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: Dude. 138 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 2: It's not like it's going to be backburner or anything 139 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 2: like that. So there's been over thirty years, there have 140 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 2: been a series of appeals that have been filed in 141 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 2: this case. I'm still stumped by the you know, the 142 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 2: the idea that you need a year in order to 143 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 2: do this unless unless the prosecution they're preparing for whatever 144 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 2: new appeal might pop up. But again, you can't necessarily 145 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 2: force it through the courts in any particular way. So 146 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 2: that's that's compelling. And here's the other thing I think 147 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 2: that's really kind of interesting here is that allegedly what 148 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 2: they're saying The reason I think it kind of made 149 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 2: it into the algorithm again is that she's like the 150 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 2: first female in two hundred years that you know that 151 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 2: Tennessee is going to put to death or over the 152 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:50,839 Speaker 2: two hundred year history of capital punishment. She's like a 153 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 2: number one. So she's been bumped up the line, you know, 154 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 2: ahead of everybody else, any other females that might be 155 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 2: sitting on death row. Uh, you know, in in Tennessee. Uh. 156 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 2: And there's not a lot of females on death row 157 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 2: around America. 158 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: There, Ris debis only won in Tennessee. 159 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 160 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: And let's see, Yeah, Tennessee has not carried out an 161 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: execution of a woman since the death penalty was reinstated. 162 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 2: Yeah. 163 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: And again all of that, you know, it goes back 164 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: to what you were saying a minute ago, Joe, that 165 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: the victim is left out of all of this. They 166 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: are for thirty years, Colleen Slimmer, she was killed by 167 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: this woman, and this woman was tried, convicted, and sentenced to. 168 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 2: Death in the most brutal way. And listen, I love 169 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 2: what you said earlier about the this. You know, when 170 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 2: when when I get into the level of brutality that 171 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 2: was exact upon this young woman, Colleen. You think about, 172 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 2: you know, when you're a kid and you're in high 173 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 2: school or whatever, and you're in my hometown, the used 174 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 2: calls fender lizards. And those were the individuals that would 175 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 2: pull into the parking lot at at heart Ease or 176 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 2: McDonald's and you just hang out in your car, right, 177 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 2: And they were called fender lizards. And there was actually 178 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 2: there was actually a city statute that was put forward 179 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 2: in the small southern town about you can't be a 180 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 2: fender lizard, you know, move on. It's loitering or whatever 181 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 2: the case might be. But you know, back back then, 182 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 2: during those periods of time when you're young and you know, 183 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 2: you're if there was a conflict over a relationship, you 184 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 2: might have two guys that you know that have fistcuffs 185 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 2: over it, and and that's it. That's that's not what 186 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 2: this is is about. This is this is about a 187 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 2: case of and I love these two terms luring and menacing, 188 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 2: and what it comes down to is that both of 189 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 2: those elements wind up equally. 190 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: Pure evil. 191 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 2: So I'm not really familiar with with job Corp necessarily, Dave, 192 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 2: I understand the principle, understand that it gives you an 193 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 2: opportunity to seek out employment and providing kind of a 194 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 2: backstop for you so that, you know, if you're in 195 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 2: a life situation where you're not going to get further 196 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 2: education necessarily, they have opportunities for people to do that, 197 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 2: to get some kind of technical training or get kind 198 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 2: of absorbed into the workforce. And you know, you've got 199 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 2: You've got these individuals that were around Colleen in this 200 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 2: Job Corps program that was actually they were being housed 201 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 2: in a dorm that was not too far away from 202 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 2: University of Tennessee campus. As a matter of fact, I 203 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 2: think where this accras comes into play, Yeah, the campus does, 204 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 2: because it's like part of their ag program, you know 205 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,719 Speaker 2: at UT their agricultural you know, majors and that sort 206 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 2: of thing. And this is kind of an old abandoned 207 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 2: area that was on the property, wasn't it, Dave? 208 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: It was. You give you an idea of what job 209 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,839 Speaker 1: Corp is, and I pulled the easiest explanation is it 210 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: is a US Department of Labor funded no cost career 211 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: technical training. I think it was a little different thirty 212 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 1: years ago than it is now. But Colleen Slimmer was 213 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: a part of Job Corps, as was Krista Pike and 214 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: to Darryls Ship. And we have others involved in this, 215 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: but just staying right where we are, there are interpersonal 216 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: relationships that developed between the people of job Corp. Remember 217 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: they are living together, eating together, going to classes together. 218 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: I mean they are. It's an environment that you know, 219 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: you get to know people, you make best friends there 220 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: for the rest of your life or lifelong enemies depending 221 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: on that you have. And in this case, Krista Pike 222 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: was dating a guy named to Darryl Ship and she 223 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:40,479 Speaker 1: believed that Colleen Slimmer was trying to lure to Darylship 224 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: away in a romantic relationship. Everybody that the police interviewed, 225 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: everybody that talked about the situation said Colleen and to 226 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: Darryl were friendly, but not in that way. They were 227 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: friendly as just we're in the program together. You know, 228 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: they were friends, but nothing more than that. But Krista 229 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: Pike didn't like Colleen and thought there was something going 230 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: on between to Darryl and Colleen. So I mean yeah, 231 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: and so she decided to take it into her own 232 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: hands and they lure. They being Krista Pike, to Darryls 233 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: Ship and one other person who ended up becoming state's evidence, 234 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: who got probation and got a problem for somebody being 235 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: involved in the death of another person, whether they're just 236 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: as a lookout or anything else they're involved in this case. 237 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: Her name, her last name is Peterson. She ended up 238 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: with probation. She didn't go to jail. But yeah, Shadola shada, Yeah, 239 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: thank you. 240 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 2: Yep. 241 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: So they they being the three loure Colleen to the campus. 242 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's a it's an old abandoned steam plant. 243 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 2: I got to tell you when I when I heard that, 244 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 2: you know what it made me think of it. Uh, 245 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 2: I'm thinking about how ominous this thing probably looks. Uh 246 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 2: it looked like the said of like a Batman movie, 247 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 2: you know, it's kind of dark. Yeah. Yeah. And and 248 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 2: they used they used the opportunity to get her back there. 249 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 2: They said, come on, let's go smoke weed together. Well, 250 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 2: this is not like a spontaneous kind of event where uh, 251 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 2: you know, there's some kind of uh you know, act 252 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 2: that triggers somebody immediately, uh, where they get into a fight. Now, 253 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 2: they they came prepared, knowing, knowing what the purpose was there. 254 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 2: They're going to take her to this location that, you know, 255 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 2: just the the ominous nature of this abandoned steam plant. 256 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 2: It's not going to attract anybody else. It's you. You've 257 00:16:55,240 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 2: got this young girl, Colleen in this in a state 258 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 2: of isolation there, and suddenly you know, you've you've got 259 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 2: Krista Pike who literally begins to attack her along with 260 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 2: this other individual that's there that's supposed to be you know, 261 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 2: I guess the love of her life. Yeah yeah, and who, 262 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 2: by the way, just as a little aside, this guy 263 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 2: next week as of this recording, this guy is hang 264 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 2: on your hat, Dave. This guy is up for parole 265 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 2: hearing the first parole hearing. Yeah, yeah, he's he's gonna 266 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 2: he's gonna have and he's in his forties. Uh. Christ 267 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 2: Pike is sitting on death row. So that kind of 268 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 2: shows you the relationship between these two, the the level 269 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 2: of responsibility that they equate to Christa Pike as opposed 270 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 2: to this, you know, to this person that that she 271 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 2: you know, has you know, uh, romantic desires upon Yeah. 272 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: The one thing you mentioned about them going to smoke weed, Joe, 273 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: is that the reason or the way that comes about 274 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: and comes into play here is that Krista Pike. There 275 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: had been animosity there they were. There was a known 276 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: situation here, not with just them, but with others. And 277 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: that's where Christa Pike reaches out to Collin and says, 278 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna get together. We're going to meet, and we're 279 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: gonna smoke weed. We're gonna smoke the peace pipe, you know, 280 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. And that was the whole point 281 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: that the smoking of the weed was to seal the deal, 282 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: that this animosity was going to stop, that everything was fine, 283 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: We're all going to be buddies and pals. And of 284 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: course that was the way she lured her. But you 285 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:55,959 Speaker 1: mentioned coming prepared. What did what did Christa Pike carry 286 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 1: with her Joe that she used in this well, yeah, 287 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: in this murder. 288 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that's Lord have mercy talk about 289 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 2: the tools of death, just so people understand they huh, 290 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 2: they came prepared with both a box cutter and dave 291 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 2: a meat cleaver. When was the last time we talked 292 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 2: about a meat clever? I don't I don't remember it. Now. 293 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 2: It's been used in in movies, you know, for years 294 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 2: and years, and I have worked a case involving a 295 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 2: meat cleaver. But they show up with a meat cleaver. 296 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 2: What's the purpose of a meat cleaper. Well, from a 297 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 2: forensic standpoint, you have what are referred to and these 298 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 2: are sharp force injuries that are generated by one of 299 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 2: these things. Uh, these are chopping injuries, and they're they're 300 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 2: kind of distinct from say the edge of a blade, uh, 301 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 2: where you're dragging, dragging the edge of a blade across 302 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 2: the surface of the skin. Interestingly enough, meat cleavers actually 303 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 2: have some characteristics of blunt force trauma that that can 304 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,199 Speaker 2: be appreciated, particularly in the in the the depth of 305 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 2: the wound you get into the bone perhaps if you've 306 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 2: got it, like if somebody struck on a collar bone, 307 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 2: all right, with a meat cleaver, you're going to have 308 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 2: this kind of fragmenting of the bone, but it'll still it. 309 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 2: But on the other hand, it'll kind of have a 310 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 2: clean edge to it. Okay, so it kind of and 311 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 2: you'll see, uh, you can see contoosed areas when anybody's 312 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 2: using an axe, if there's been an axe attack or 313 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 2: a cleaver, which many times are associated with blunt force 314 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 2: because you're you're pounding and tearing that skin at the 315 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 2: same time. It's not as neat as as you might 316 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 2: think that it is. But they showed up here, you know, 317 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 2: with these instruments, and not to mention they also what 318 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 2: also comes into play here day is a chunk of asphalt. Okay, 319 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 2: so this is going to be a blunt a blunt 320 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 2: object that that's going to be used as a bludgeon 321 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 2: at some point in time. Interestingly enough, injuries many times 322 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 2: when you use something like a piece of asphalt, even 323 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 2: though it's it's heavy, it's firm. The surface area of 324 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 2: a fragmented piece of asphalt, you can actually have bits 325 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 2: of it that will break off in injury. So when 326 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 2: you're kind of going through this kind of layered examination 327 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 2: of a of a strike to the skin, did you 328 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 2: know you can actually see bits of fragmented asphalt in there. 329 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 2: I've seen it with concrete as well. I've seen it 330 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 2: with You'll see little bitty features and you can certainly 331 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 2: see them at a microscopic level if you take a 332 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 2: sample of that tissue and put it on a slide. 333 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: Colleen Slimmer was beaten for at least thirty minutes yep, 334 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: and the only comment from Christ the Pike was saying, 335 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: the bitch won't die. Yeah, Well did they do to 336 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: her body. How did that beating gojo? 337 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let me give you one more insight. There 338 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 2: was one other thing that Christa Pike allegedly said at 339 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 2: this time, and it gives you an indication of the 340 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 2: level of violence that she was willing to inflict upon Colleen. 341 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 2: She said, I want to see her brains flow. So 342 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 2: she's purposed, all right, She's purposed in the fact that 343 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 2: not only is it on her her menu here, if 344 00:22:55,480 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 2: you will to inflict sharp force injuries on Colleen by 345 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 2: repeatedly striking her with a meat cleaver, she wants to 346 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 2: see her skull crushed to the point where and this 347 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 2: does happen, where you will see brain beginning to extrude 348 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 2: from a skull. It takes multiple strikes most of the 349 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 2: time to kind of invade the cranial vault, and once 350 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 2: it's cracked open, those fracture lines begin to kind of 351 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 2: spiderweb all over the place, and with each repeated strike, 352 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 2: you'll see these flaps that will open up. I've seen 353 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 2: this happen with hammer attacks, I've seen it happen in 354 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 2: motor vehicle accents. But it's a There has to be 355 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 2: a tremendous amount of force that's literally directed at the 356 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 2: head in order to facilitate that that's obviously a motor 357 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 2: vehicle that's a single strike. This would have taken multiple strikes, 358 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 2: probably with this piece of asphalt, in order to get 359 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 2: inside of the cranial vault where you're going to see 360 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 2: the brain extruding. And it's called extrusion. Extrusion is what 361 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 2: it's referred to as. And there's another point here that 362 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 2: we have to consider. Not only is she literally tormenting 363 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 2: this poor girl with all of these injuries that she sustained, Dave, 364 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 2: she she took this box cutter and carved a pentagram 365 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 2: on her chest. You know in pentagrams and inverted is 366 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 2: an inverted star, uh, five point star. You know that's 367 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 2: associated many times with Satanic worship. 368 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: Uh. 369 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 2: And in my experienced, people that that do this sort 370 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 2: of thing don't necessarily have they might think that they're 371 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 2: involved in Satanic worship. Many times it's left. It's just 372 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 2: kind of a horrific calling card along the way. And 373 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 2: I can't imagine that this that this person, Christa Pike 374 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 2: was intellectually uh, intellectually sophisticated enough to be the leader 375 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 2: of a satanic coven if you will, all right, this 376 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 2: is something where she's just trying to be as horrible 377 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 2: and and and try to be as debased as you 378 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 2: possibly can. And that's what happened with Colleen. Interestingly enough, 379 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 2: Colleen had done so much I'm sorry strike that day 380 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 2: three to Pike had done so much damage to Colleen 381 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 2: that in the wake of all of this, Dave, she's 382 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 2: not only taunting her, making new statements like the bitch 383 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 2: won't die. I want to see her blood flow. She's 384 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 2: a souvenir taker, Dave. She's a souvenir taker. She Krista 385 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 2: Pike took a portion of Colleen's skull, and in the 386 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 2: wake of having committed this horrible murder, torture, murder, she 387 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 2: takes this bit of skull with her and begins to 388 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 2: proudly display it to people. 389 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: Dave, how tough would it beat Joe to even get 390 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: a piece of skull? 391 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 2: Nothing? It would, it would. The thing about it is 392 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 2: our our our scalp is literally adherent to our skull 393 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 2: with fascia, which is this kind of thin membrane. If 394 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 2: you if you take your fingertips and you touch your 395 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 2: scalp right now, you can actually move your scalp over 396 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 2: the surface of your skull. You want it to do 397 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 2: that because if it's if it's static, you're gonna have problems. Okay, 398 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 2: So but once once you have erupted this area and 399 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,719 Speaker 2: torn this bit of scalp away, it would be nothing 400 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 2: to reach down and dislodge a chunk of skull even 401 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 2: by the fascia connection that you have to that layer 402 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 2: of the scalp, just kind of lightly pull it away, 403 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 2: and there you have. You've got, like, I don't know, 404 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 2: a triangular piece of skull that you're walking around with. Hey, everybody, 405 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 2: look what I've Look what I've I've got here. You know, 406 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 2: it's not like she's walking around displaying a gold medal 407 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 2: for some grand achievement that she might have had job 408 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 2: corps or some athletic prowess. No, she's got a bit 409 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:17,679 Speaker 2: of Colleen's skull that is now trophied for her. The 410 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 2: big question is this, I think, is this actually a 411 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 2: sign of mental illness? Because that's the big question here, 412 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 2: isn't it? And that's what the defense wants you to believe. 413 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 2: That she's got multiple psychiatric diagnoses, She's got PTSD from 414 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 2: previous sexual abuse. There's been talk that she had done 415 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 2: drugs with her mother at some point in time. But 416 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 2: does all of that trump beating and carving up a 417 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 2: young woman and taking a bit of her body with 418 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 2: her that she should not be held responsible. Somewhere out there, 419 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 2: Colleen's remains exist all that's left of her, and we're 420 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 2: thirty years downrange. You sit there and think of all 421 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 2: of the potential that existed within her, and also, you know, 422 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 2: the children she may have had, the potential that existed 423 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 2: in them, the hopes that may be, the ones that 424 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 2: loved her had for her moving forward, that's gone. It's 425 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 2: completely gone now, all over this kind of senseless, just 426 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 2: nonsensical uh behavior on the part of Krysta Pike and 427 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 2: these other people that she drug into this as well. 428 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 2: And look, I mean, I'm not I'm not saying that 429 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 2: those individuals should not be fully held to account for 430 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 2: what they did. They actively participated in this. You know, 431 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 2: at some point in time, you have to recognize that 432 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 2: we're creatures of free will. We're gonna make decisions, and 433 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 2: I don't care really how old you are, You're gonna 434 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 2: make decisions about the activities you engage in. Uh. It's 435 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 2: it's a real shame. I think that many in society 436 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 2: won't want people just to well, let's let's forget about 437 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 2: this free will decision that they made, and you know, 438 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 2: we're we're just gonna we're going to start over. You know, well, 439 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 2: go tell that Colleen's family and look, whether or not 440 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 2: you agree with the death penalty or not, you know, 441 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 2: be you know, be either hot or cold on it. 442 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 2: Don't sit in the middle of the road. If you 443 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 2: don't believe in the death penalty, that's fine, But she 444 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 2: doesn't need to see the light of day again. So 445 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 2: you know, I think the big question is that prosecutors, 446 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 2: many times, I think, are faced with they have to 447 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 2: weigh the risk here, you know, because listen at the time, 448 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 2: I'm sure the public was screaming, we want blood. 449 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: I was looking at a couple of the comments by 450 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: Krista Pike when she gave her story of what took place. 451 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: There was a wound to the back of Colleen Slimmer 452 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: that they were trying to figure out where did this 453 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: come from? How did this happen? And one was a 454 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: long cut down her back, and Christa Pike said, well, 455 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: she kept getting up and trying to run away, and 456 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: she would be tackled and beat again. So Colleen, for 457 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: thirty or forty minutes, Joe is fighting for her life 458 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: against an armed woman with a she's got a cleaver 459 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: and a box cutter. And from the very beginning, for 460 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: anybody who has ever been in a fight, if you've 461 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: ever caught a knee to the head, I'm gonna tell 462 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: you I have caught a knee to the head. It 463 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: knocks you into the middle of next week. And according 464 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: to Krista Pike, that was the first thing she did. 465 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: This attack was by surprise. Remember they were there to 466 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: smoke the peace pipe. And Krista Pike starts pounding away 467 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: and knees her head, that's what she says. Kicks her 468 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: in the head, knees her in the head, kicks her 469 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: in the body, and I mean she is terrorizing the 470 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 1: body of Colleen's Slimmer. And again when she mentioned that 471 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: I want to see her brains flow out, she lifts 472 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: a large chunk of asphalt paving over Slimmer's head and 473 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: proceeded to smash her skull until brain matter started flowing 474 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 1: out of her head. Krista Pike shared that information This 475 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: was not something that investigators think happened, or that they 476 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: built what to a timeline of how it happened, you know, 477 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: based on evidence. This is the story told to them 478 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: by Krista Pike, that she used the asphalt to slam 479 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: over Colleen Slimmer's head over and over and over until 480 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: the brain flowed, brain matterflow, and then she grabbed that 481 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: chunk of skull as a souvenir and showed it off. 482 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: The next day at school here in the cafeteria eating, 483 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: and here's Christy, where's Colleen? I don't know where is 484 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: Colleen today? But look look what I've got. 485 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 2: I've got skull, yeah yeah, so fresh svel and she 486 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 2: you know, and you know, her thing about it is 487 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 2: when she picked us up, When she picked up that 488 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 2: bit of skull, there would have been some cleaning that 489 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 2: would have had to have taken place, because you would 490 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 2: still have some tissue, certainly have some blood that was 491 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 2: on there. I wonder if she took this young woman's 492 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 2: skull and that fragmented piece and rubbed it off on 493 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 2: her pants or stuck in her pocket, merely waiting for 494 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 2: it to dry out as she you know, kind of 495 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 2: dances away from the scene, leaving leaving Colleen's remains there. 496 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 2: But you had asked me a critical question, Dave, a 497 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 2: few months ago, how do we get to how do 498 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 2: we get to capital punishment in this particular case. Well, 499 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 2: if you look at the statute in in Tennessee, one 500 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 2: of the it's got, there are multiple different paths you 501 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 2: can take to get to first spree murder that can 502 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 2: be you know, uh punished, you know, with with the 503 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 2: death penalty and with first degree you you actually have 504 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 2: there's these aggravating factors. We hear about aggravating factors, and 505 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 2: the one that this case in particular meets is that 506 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 2: there is a subsection to it. That's that the way 507 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 2: you define it, the murder, and I quote the murder 508 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 2: was especially heinous, atrocious, and cruel in that it involved 509 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 2: here's the word day torture, serious physical abuse beyond that 510 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 2: necessary to produce death. So if you look at this 511 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 2: and and if you had the utility to bring about 512 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 2: her death in a I hate to even use the 513 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 2: term humane, but in a quicker manner. I mean you 514 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 2: you yourself said that, uh you know that she's languishing 515 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 2: and was Dave. She had a full awareness of it. 516 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 2: She's responding to pain. It didn't start off with the 517 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 2: most fatal thing, all right, you don't have the skull 518 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,240 Speaker 2: crushing that happens at the beginning. She's trying to get away, 519 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 2: She's fighting for her life. Okay, at this point in 520 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 2: time when these these choices are being exacted upon Colleen, 521 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 2: these choices that are made by Pike, for every one 522 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,240 Speaker 2: of those this is leading up to the grand finale. 523 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 2: It's the totality of that that makes this so heinous. 524 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 2: This is not like somebody, you know, mob style, taking 525 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 2: somebody out and executing them by shooting them in the 526 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 2: back of the head and walking off from their body. 527 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 2: That's not what we're talking about when we're talking about 528 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:58,399 Speaker 2: something that where this young woman is languishing. And then 529 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 2: I think that probably the other other part of this 530 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 2: that goes to the heinous nature of it. And I'd 531 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 2: be very curious from the perspective of a legal uh 532 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 2: a llegal uh scholar, does that heinous behavior? Can it 533 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 2: is there? Can that be evidenced as part of the 534 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 2: recipe if you will, uh for capital punishment? Can it 535 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 2: be evidenced in bringing a bit of skull with you 536 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 2: to display it to everybody. I mean, to me, that's heinous. 537 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 2: All right, it's horrific, absolutely horrific. But can that be 538 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 2: evidence to go into the bigger mix when the DA 539 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 2: is trying to decide or is it just those things 540 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 2: that happen in that moment where you know death is 541 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 2: is is going to happen. I'm not saying that she 542 00:37:54,080 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 2: She probably would have eventually died from these other traumas maybe, 543 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,239 Speaker 2: but it would have been it was quickened, certainly. I 544 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 2: think by picking up the bit of asphalt. I don't 545 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 2: think you can define that as mercy though on any 546 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:15,959 Speaker 2: level or any less heinous. Uh you know, Uh, she's 547 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 2: been kicked, h cut, carved on. And the idea that 548 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 2: that that in any way that that what was exact 549 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 2: upon Colleen was merciful. This is something that was intended 550 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 2: to be drawn out over a protracted period of time. 551 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 2: And listen, people don't like to use the word evil. 552 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:46,439 Speaker 2: They shot away from it. Evil's real, It's it's truly real. 553 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 2: I take exception to people that try to, you know, 554 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 2: try to say, well, this is a sign of mental illness. 555 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 2: This is not some moral thing where we can define 556 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,240 Speaker 2: them as evil. I beg to differ on that point. 557 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 2: This is this is the fruit of evil that you're 558 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 2: seeing played out here. I think that people want some 559 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:12,320 Speaker 2: kind of other explanation, uh to to try to comfort 560 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 2: themselves in some way that evil doesn't exist, that it's 561 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 2: all mental illness. And I just I just don't see this. 562 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:28,799 Speaker 2: They they, this group set about ending Colleen's life, and 563 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 2: now it would seem that the state of Tennessee has 564 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:38,440 Speaker 2: decided to move forward in this case. Again. You know, 565 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:43,720 Speaker 2: I find it very odd that we've got a window 566 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 2: of a year now after thirty way thirty years, you know, 567 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,239 Speaker 2: isn't that kind of curious? Man? 568 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,839 Speaker 1: That is very you mentioned we you know, they are 569 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,919 Speaker 1: they as a plural. They did this well for those 570 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,440 Speaker 1: who might think well to Darrylship must not have been 571 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: very involved, you know, since he he was given life 572 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,840 Speaker 1: with the possibility of pearl after twenty five years. But 573 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,399 Speaker 1: you know, as part of the story as told by 574 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 1: Krista Pike and played for the jury, that after the 575 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 1: beating began, and you know, Colleen kept trying to run away, 576 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 1: it was to Darryls Ship that actually grabbed her back, 577 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 1: brought her down and held her down while Colleen I mean, 578 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 1: while Christa Pike used that box cutter to carve into 579 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 1: her chest and stomach. And by the way, according to 580 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:36,360 Speaker 1: Krista Pike, Colleen was screaming in pain the whole time. Yeah, 581 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 1: she was begging. Knowing what was at stake, she said, 582 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,960 Speaker 1: I will walk back to Florida if you'll just let 583 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 1: me go. I will leave. I will walk. I don't 584 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,640 Speaker 1: I won't tell anybody what has happened. You know, she's 585 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,759 Speaker 1: begging for her life to Darryl Ship is holding her 586 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 1: down while Christa Pike does this with that box cutter. 587 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 1: So he's coming up for parole next week, and I 588 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:02,480 Speaker 1: wonder you remember what he did. Now. The other woman involved, 589 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 1: who you know, copped a plea deal. She was standing guard, 590 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:10,359 Speaker 1: which again I'm not I'm not willing to go that far. 591 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,560 Speaker 1: When you've got an admission of guilt by the perpetrator, 592 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 1: you've got a story that matches the evidence show. And 593 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: by the way, didn't take long. Okay, this crime took 594 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 1: place the night of January twelfth, the day of January thirteenth, 595 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,719 Speaker 1: when Colleen Slimmer doesn't show up to eat, and that 596 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,880 Speaker 1: at the same time, Krista Pike is showing off pieces 597 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 1: of her skull. Police are notified. They begin looking into 598 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,760 Speaker 1: it right away after her body is found. It doesn't 599 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,840 Speaker 1: take long. On the fourteenth, we're talking thirty six hours 600 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 1: after the murder. Police already have the principles in jail. 601 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,200 Speaker 1: They've got him sitting there. Gott got the interview from 602 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 1: christ to Pike after reading her miranda. They've got to 603 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,239 Speaker 1: Daryl Ship and they've got you know, they are a 604 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,239 Speaker 1: guy everything. They didn't need to cop a plea deal 605 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,360 Speaker 1: with the girl standing lookout for this whole thing, but 606 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,480 Speaker 1: they did so. They gave her probation. They get to 607 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,280 Speaker 1: Darrylship for life with possibility pro life for twenty five years. 608 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,960 Speaker 1: And finally, now they're going to put christ the Pike 609 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,200 Speaker 1: to death for what she did. But again, it's already 610 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 1: been thirty plus years and now she gets another year. 611 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 1: Is that a form of torture? You know, it's finally here, Mark, 612 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,760 Speaker 1: this is the last time you're ever going to see 613 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 1: this date on the calendar. Yeah, you're not going to 614 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,319 Speaker 1: see another you know, I mean, I just I'm for 615 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,480 Speaker 1: the life of me trying to figure out you're carrying 616 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,439 Speaker 1: out a sentence. You've had thirty plus years. Yeah, really, 617 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:38,839 Speaker 1: why do we have to wait? 618 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't understand it, and I'm sure 619 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,759 Speaker 2: that they're legal scholars out there that would be able 620 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 2: to certainly explain it. It just seems it's a rather 621 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,640 Speaker 2: odd road to go down to me. At least, you 622 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,480 Speaker 2: know it's you know, it's not like you know your 623 00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 2: the matre d is taking your name down at the 624 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:01,960 Speaker 2: you know, to check in. Well, we'll get to you 625 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,839 Speaker 2: when we can where you know your table will soon 626 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,600 Speaker 2: be available. It's not like to have a huge list 627 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:13,399 Speaker 2: of people that are waiting to do this and that 628 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:18,040 Speaker 2: you've had this much time that has you know, clicked 629 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:24,480 Speaker 2: off of the clock. Colleen's time ended, I guess a 630 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:28,919 Speaker 2: bit more mercifully in one sense, is that she's done 631 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:34,640 Speaker 2: with the pain now. Krista Pike has got to sit 632 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:39,719 Speaker 2: there in that cell for a bit longer, and they're 633 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:44,160 Speaker 2: going to take her maybe a year from now, they're 634 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:50,319 Speaker 2: going to initiate an IV site on her arm. They're 635 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:54,200 Speaker 2: going to lead her into that room, and unlike in 636 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,560 Speaker 2: other states that use lethal injection, Tennessee only uses one drug. 637 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,799 Speaker 2: There is no cocktail peanut barbital, and she will be 638 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:09,279 Speaker 2: allowed to slip off into unconsciousness. Her lungs will begin 639 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:15,239 Speaker 2: to shut down, her heart will cease to beat, and 640 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,480 Speaker 2: all memories that she may have created in any hope 641 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 2: she may have had from walking out of that institution 642 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:29,600 Speaker 2: will be at an end. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and 643 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,920 Speaker 2: this is body Bags