Speaker 1: What's that a bed? It's spooky and kooky. I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure it's dead. It's coming, it's way Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: hell I go, said hiros Dress.
Speaker 2: He Hey boo, it's me Roz. You guys this episode today,
Speaker 2: Oh it's a good one. There are so many stories,
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna spare you of another one at the
Speaker 2: beginning of this show because we got a lot to
Speaker 2: get into. I am joined today by Chris Colfer, who
Speaker 2: you may know he played Kurt on Glee, which he
Speaker 2: won a Golden Globe for. I mean Hello, People's Choice Awards.
Speaker 2: Time magazine rated him one of the one hundred most
Speaker 2: Influential people of the year. He's also a New York
Speaker 2: Times best selling author, and it turns out ghosts and
Speaker 2: aliens are obsessed with them as well. I got so
Speaker 2: lucky with Chris having just a plethora of stories, and
Speaker 2: this gives you, Hollywood, We get aliens, we get a
Speaker 2: story from the set of Glee where there was a ghost.
Speaker 2: I mean also, I know I've gotten a lot of
Speaker 2: new listeners. So Hi, Welcome to the spooky, kooky world
Speaker 2: of Ghosted by Roz Dress Feales. I'm your host, Roz
Speaker 2: Dress fales, I use she, her or they them pronouns,
Speaker 2: and you know, come on in. It's nice and cozy.
Speaker 2: It's like a slumber party over here, and you know,
Speaker 2: subscribe to the show go back. I've got episodes for
Speaker 2: over two years that are posted here, and I guarantee
Speaker 2: that you'd probably recognize at least one person as you
Speaker 2: scroll through the feed, and you might be like, oh,
Speaker 2: I've heard of that person. I want to hear what
Speaker 2: their thoughts are or their stories and experiences are with
Speaker 2: the unknown and the other side.
Speaker 1: I got it for you. I got you covered.
Speaker 2: Also, go listen to some of these episodes with people
Speaker 2: maybe never have heard of. You might fall in love
Speaker 2: with someone new. And as always, I have a Patreon,
Speaker 2: Patreon dot com slash rossdres Flees. This time I do
Speaker 2: that little thing where I list off a bunch of
Speaker 2: unexplained phenomenas and it's a short little clip where I
Speaker 2: talk to Chris about his thoughts on haunted dolls, demons, bigfoot, mothman,
Speaker 2: and we talk a little bit about a spooky place
Speaker 2: from his hometown. Also, I have a video up this
Speaker 2: week of me talking about haunted eBay dolls and my
Speaker 2: thoughts on their profiles and there. All right, let's just
Speaker 2: get into it. I'm so excited. Here's my conversation with
Speaker 2: Chris Colfer on with the show. Oh my god, you guys.
Speaker 2: I'm joined by Chris Colfer. Hello, how are you.
Speaker 3: Hi, Roz. I am so excited to be here.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm so excited for a variety of reasons, but
Speaker 2: especially because I now know that you love the Paranormals,
Speaker 2: so this is gonna be just perfect.
Speaker 4: So we don't know each other that well, although I'm
Speaker 4: a huge, huge fan of yours. But when you when
Speaker 4: you asked me to do this, did you did you?
Speaker 4: Did you know that.
Speaker 3: This is my favorite thing to talk about in the
Speaker 3: entire world?
Speaker 2: What the hell? Oh yeah, how did I not know this? Okay, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: So well let's backtrack. So you were recently at Golden
Speaker 2: Girls Live, which I was making a couple of little
Speaker 2: cameo appearances.
Speaker 3: You were fantastic in it, by the way.
Speaker 1: Oh thank you.
Speaker 2: And and then I was like, I'm just gonna ask
Speaker 2: why not? Because I'm constantly going up to people and
Speaker 2: being like, do you believe in goods? It's like such
Speaker 2: a weird thing because sometimes people are like no, what like,
Speaker 2: it's just so weird. You just never know. But at
Speaker 2: this point, I'm like, I'm just gonna try. Who knows?
Speaker 2: And I sometimes you get lucky, and I guess that's
Speaker 2: what happened this time.
Speaker 4: I thought for sure, maybe Drew Drogie told you that
Speaker 4: I love talking about ghosts because he and I have
Speaker 4: talked about ghosts for hours. Really, so yeah, so I yeah,
Speaker 4: And actually my favorite question to ask at parties when
Speaker 4: I when I meet new people is have you have
Speaker 4: you ever seen a ghost?
Speaker 1: Stop it?
Speaker 3: Okay, I think it's quite a quite a nice breaker.
Speaker 2: Well, if you want to do any field reporting for
Speaker 2: the show, I'm always looking for people with ghost stories,
Speaker 2: Hi from the So yes, Well, it's funny you said
Speaker 2: that because about Drew, because we do so many shows
Speaker 2: together in that basement theater, and I actually do this
Speaker 2: podcast live in that basement theater, and many people Drew
Speaker 2: include it have had paranormal experiences down there.
Speaker 3: Oh really at Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I have spent probably a collective years of
Speaker 2: my life down there, and I have not had any
Speaker 2: paranormal experiences, to be honest, but a lot of people
Speaker 2: that I trust that I don't think are making it up.
Speaker 2: Have said that that basement is haunted. I talk about
Speaker 2: it constantly, so maybe one day I'll get so lucky.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you were in a haunted place when when
Speaker 2: you saw me last.
Speaker 4: I feel like every theater in the world is haunted, right,
Speaker 4: you know, there's just something about maybe the exchange of
Speaker 4: energy between a performer and an audience. But I think
Speaker 4: I think there's something there's something paranormal in every theater.
Speaker 2: I mean, if it's if it's doing it right, you know,
Speaker 2: right right, that's how it should be.
Speaker 1: But you never know. Well, I mean, should we just
Speaker 1: like get into it?
Speaker 2: Should we? Should we talk about ghosts? I want to
Speaker 2: hear I want to hear your experiences.
Speaker 1: Now. We don't just talk about ghosts. So if you
Speaker 1: if you've had.
Speaker 2: Any kind of, you know, paranormal experience of any sort,
Speaker 2: let me know. But basically, I guess my first question
Speaker 2: is what what are your beliefs of this stuff?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 4: I I think I go back and forth honestly between
Speaker 4: I either one fully believe in paranormal uh beings and
Speaker 4: entities and and whatnot, and then some days I am
Speaker 4: the exact jobs that are I think, no, there's there's
Speaker 4: there's nothing. But it's funny when I when I sat
Speaker 4: down to make a list of all, you know, my
Speaker 4: my ghosty experiences for.
Speaker 1: Your show, My God, you did homework and.
Speaker 4: I I'm a goody two shoes, I realized, I think
Speaker 4: I'm just in denial about like being haunted.
Speaker 3: Like I like, like like I've been.
Speaker 4: In many haunted houses, but I think I am also
Speaker 4: just haunted myself.
Speaker 1: Some people are, you know.
Speaker 2: I have this belief that for someone like myself, because
Speaker 2: I had paranormal experiences as a young child, and I
Speaker 2: kind of developed an understanding that that's a thing that happens.
Speaker 2: And I think that sometimes ghosts are like, oh that
Speaker 2: person over there would get.
Speaker 1: Me if I you know.
Speaker 2: So it's like we go to haunted places constantly, but
Speaker 2: you might not ever know because the ghosts are like, eh,
Speaker 2: I don't feel comfortable around that person or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's just it's sort of like I don't know if
Speaker 2: I'm like at some place I've never I don't know anyone,
Speaker 2: and then I see someone with like purple hair and
Speaker 2: tattoos or something, I might be like, oh that person
Speaker 2: might get me a little bit.
Speaker 1: More than like other people. I don't know, it's sort
Speaker 1: of thing.
Speaker 3: I'm sure. I'm sure gost have preferences just like all
Speaker 3: of us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. But so, so, what was the first experience
Speaker 2: that you've had?
Speaker 4: Okay, so I'm so glad I wrote these in chronological order.
Speaker 4: I literally have I literally have a list here. So
Speaker 4: I think the very first experience that I had was
Speaker 4: when I was very young. I want to say I
Speaker 4: was about four. I remember I was playing in my
Speaker 4: mom's closet, which you know, insert your own pun, and
Speaker 4: I remember seeing the door knob on my mom's closet
Speaker 4: slowly start to turn, and I thought my mom had
Speaker 4: just gotten home from work, and so I decided that
Speaker 4: I was going to scare her.
Speaker 3: So I remember.
Speaker 4: I as as I watched the doorknob slowly turn, I
Speaker 4: grabbed it and then opened the door and went boo,
Speaker 4: and and then I I froze because there was nothing
Speaker 4: behind the door.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, So you thought that you were going
Speaker 2: to be the ghost, you were going to be the spooky,
Speaker 2: the spooky.
Speaker 1: It was like, I think again, uh yeah, and.
Speaker 4: It's so funny, like as a kid, I I just
Speaker 4: kind of shrugged it off because I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 4: really think anything of it. It wasn't until like years
Speaker 4: later that I was thinking about that because it was
Speaker 4: such a distinct memory in my head. I can I
Speaker 4: can see it so vividly now even as I'm talking
Speaker 4: to you about it, that I realized later on that
Speaker 4: that I was like, Oh, that that's there was something
Speaker 4: weird about that, that that shouldn't have happened like that,
Speaker 4: that should not have turned. That doorknob should not have
Speaker 4: turned by itself.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, was this a house that was you know, had
Speaker 2: haunted activity.
Speaker 4: I don't think so, because I I don't remember anything
Speaker 4: else like that happening in that house.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 4: It was It was the first house that my family
Speaker 4: lived in when I was growing up, and it was
Speaker 4: fairly new development. So I mean, unless it was just
Speaker 4: like you know, you know Indian graveyard beneath us or
Speaker 4: you know, something like that, Yeah, I know that was
Speaker 4: only that was the only experience I ever had in
Speaker 4: that house.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: The thing that I've learned from this podcast. I bring
Speaker 2: it up a lot because it it scares me, it
Speaker 2: keeps me up at night, is that I have learned that.
Speaker 2: And of course all this stuff is theory or whatever.
Speaker 2: It's all just stuff that we learned from hearing people's stories.
Speaker 2: But it seems that sometimes ghosts don't have to be
Speaker 2: present because they died at a location or there's some
Speaker 2: kind of history there. Like sometimes ghosts can just find you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like I think could just show up one day and
Speaker 2: it could just be a one off, you know, they
Speaker 2: could it could just be a one time let me
Speaker 2: turn the door knob, okay, and I'm out of here, like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, testing the waters.
Speaker 1: You never know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and maybe maybe that ghost just didn't get the
Speaker 4: reaction out of me that they wanted, so they moved on.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Or maybe it's like I don't know, monsters ink or something,
Speaker 2: and it's like they're they got to kind of learn
Speaker 2: how to be a ghost, and so they start off,
Speaker 2: you know, at a house, and they'll be like, okay,
Speaker 2: here's the first assignment is to turn a doorknob. All right,
Speaker 2: I did that. Now it's time to the nuts house. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, no.
Speaker 3: It's so much fun to speculate.
Speaker 4: God, I know, and I just I mean, and I
Speaker 4: understand why some people just don't, you know, they don't
Speaker 4: want to even even humor the idea of supernatural stuff.
Speaker 4: But for me, it's like it's just something I choose
Speaker 4: to believe in because it's just it's just so damn
Speaker 4: fun to talk about and wonder, and honestly, I hope,
Speaker 4: I hope we never have a definitive answer in our
Speaker 4: lifetime because that would kind of ruin the fun in
Speaker 4: the mystery of it for me.
Speaker 1: Oh exactly.
Speaker 2: That's like with all this UFO stuff that's been coming
Speaker 2: out where oh yeah, I mean I think that there's
Speaker 2: a lot of good that can happen with that, But
Speaker 2: at the same time, I'm like, the mystery, Like, the
Speaker 2: mystery is what we love. I don't want it to
Speaker 2: be like, oh, it's just like you know, we got helicopters,
Speaker 2: UFOs airplanes, Like I want it to be like a
Speaker 2: what is that thing?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's one more fun to almost project your
Speaker 4: own beliefs on it than then, you know, to have
Speaker 4: a definitive answer.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, so what else has happened to you?
Speaker 4: Oh? My gosh, so many things. How much time you have?
Speaker 1: I got as much time as you are willing to give.
Speaker 4: Okay, so the next ghost experience, because because I've got
Speaker 4: some extraterrestrial and psychic experiences more than.
Speaker 1: Happy to share. How did I get so lucky? Okay,
Speaker 1: like I.
Speaker 4: Said, like like what I actually, I wasn't very familiar
Speaker 4: with your podcast when you when you asked me to
Speaker 4: do this, and then I've been listening to all week
Speaker 4: and it's one of my new favorite ones and I
Speaker 4: can't believe I hadn't heard of it before.
Speaker 1: So thank you.
Speaker 3: It's an honor to be here.
Speaker 4: So my next experience, it was in the first house
Speaker 4: that I lived in Los Angeles, and I bought the
Speaker 4: house very cheap, which should have been the first red flag,
Speaker 4: and it was for clothes. It had been in the
Speaker 4: market for months and months and months. And this was
Speaker 4: really like right when I was on the I was
Speaker 4: on the TV show Glee, and it had it had
Speaker 4: just kind of taken off pretty pretty epically, and uh,
Speaker 4: I just really needed a house, like I really needed
Speaker 4: to get out of my apartment building because you know,
Speaker 4: people would follow me back to my apartment and was
Speaker 4: the fandom, Yeah, yeah, it was. It was crazy, and yeah,
Speaker 4: we we were kind of like we were like the
Speaker 4: musical theater Beatles there for for a while.
Speaker 3: I'm very glad things have calmed down since.
Speaker 1: I'm glad.
Speaker 4: I'm very very glad that other other teenage uh shows
Speaker 4: have taken the torturem us. But so anyway, so I
Speaker 4: I found this house, and uh, it was it was
Speaker 4: you know, it was it was. It wasn't like it
Speaker 4: wasn't like my dream house or anything, but it was
Speaker 4: just like it was something I could afford, and it
Speaker 4: was it was in a safe place, and I felt
Speaker 4: like I could be safe there, and so I bought it,
Speaker 4: and strange things started happening, like within like the first
Speaker 4: like month of me being fully moved in.
Speaker 1: I can I ask a question real quick?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, as somebody that you had said you like
Speaker 2: to ask people if they have ghost stories and that
Speaker 2: sort of thing. At this point in your life, do
Speaker 2: you does that part of you go into as you're
Speaker 2: about to move into a place, Because for me, at
Speaker 2: this point, as I talk about ghost so much, I
Speaker 2: won't move into a place without being like, is this
Speaker 2: place haunted? Has there been any death or anything like that?
Speaker 2: But would you did you ask or were you curious
Speaker 2: about that kind of a thing.
Speaker 4: No, because I really wasn't into all of this stuff
Speaker 4: then at the time.
Speaker 1: So it.
Speaker 3: Really.
Speaker 4: It really was after I had a few unexplainable experiences
Speaker 4: that I that I started really getting into it and
Speaker 4: really really enjoying. You know that this the speculation of
Speaker 4: what had happened or if I was just crazy, and
Speaker 4: uh this house really uh was was was very much
Speaker 4: kind of it kind of confirmed for me that that,
Speaker 4: you know, there was more to life than just life.
Speaker 1: Okay, give it to me.
Speaker 4: So I would I would wake up in the middle
Speaker 4: of the night and I would just see things at
Speaker 4: the foot of my bed.
Speaker 3: And uh, one night I.
Speaker 4: Woke up and I saw a man in a janitor's
Speaker 4: uniform just standing at the foot of my bed, just
Speaker 4: staring at me. And uh, you know, of course I
Speaker 4: I sat straight up in my bed and just stared
Speaker 4: at him for I you know, it felt like an hour,
Speaker 4: but it's probably just a couple of minutes. And then
Speaker 4: eventually it it or whatever it was, faded away.
Speaker 2: What h now, Okay, when you see this janitor, was
Speaker 2: he see through? Was he did he look like a human?
Speaker 3: Uh? He looked just like a human.
Speaker 4: Uh, Because at first I thought it was it was
Speaker 4: it was an intruder, that's like, you know, I thought
Speaker 4: I was being uh uh robbed or something at first,
Speaker 4: and so you know, you do one of those like
Speaker 4: uh you know as you sit up in bed, and
Speaker 4: then and then like it's slowly, whatever it was slowly
Speaker 4: just disappeared. And that's when I knew, oh, that wasn't
Speaker 4: that that was that was not a person, that was
Speaker 4: some something else, my god. And then of course, for
Speaker 4: days after I kept thinking like, okay, I just you know,
Speaker 4: sleep paralysis, you know what, hallucination you know, uh that
Speaker 4: you know that had benefitment in my imagination.
Speaker 2: But in those moments when you wake up and you
Speaker 2: see this living human in your mind just standing there,
Speaker 2: I mean, did you ask a question or did you
Speaker 2: what did like? Did you what do you do? I
Speaker 2: mean that that is such a scary thing because yeah, again,
Speaker 2: especially with you having so many fans that were going
Speaker 2: crazy at the time, like it very much could have
Speaker 2: been somebody sneaking into your house.
Speaker 4: It could have been a parent asking me for an
Speaker 4: autograph for their daughter. I don't know, you never know,
Speaker 4: and and and at the time, at the at the time,
Speaker 4: it was it was really scary because, uh, you know,
Speaker 4: my character was one of the very first gay teenagers
Speaker 4: on network television, and I was getting so many death threats,
Speaker 4: and I mean people were threatening to hurt me and
Speaker 4: to kill me and left and right. You know, I
Speaker 4: had all of these uh like these religious fanatics. Uh.
Speaker 4: I had pastors like calling me the devil, and they're
Speaker 4: in their sermons. So you know, it was just it
Speaker 4: was I I thought, oh, I thought, I thought, oh,
Speaker 4: someone's come to kill me. You know, that was my
Speaker 4: first my first reaction. And and and so I was
Speaker 4: I was terrified, and I just I froze and I
Speaker 4: didn't say anything because I was I was petrified, and
Speaker 4: I was living alone at the time, which which didn't
Speaker 4: make matters, you know, which didn't help matters.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to go scare me, but that all of
Speaker 1: that is scarier.
Speaker 4: It's yeah, I think so too, because yeah, you mean,
Speaker 4: I agree again, I'm glad. I'm glad it's all calmed down, think,
Speaker 4: thank goodness. But it was a scary time. So it's
Speaker 4: such a weird. It's kind of weird to think that
Speaker 4: this start happening during that time. But also because I
Speaker 4: was so stressed out all the time, I convinced myself
Speaker 4: it was just I made it up in my mind.
Speaker 4: Like I thought, well, I'm under a lot of a
Speaker 4: lot of stress right now because of you know stuff
Speaker 4: and and and maybe I'm just I'm hallucinating so well.
Speaker 2: And a lot of people believe that other worldly forces.
Speaker 1: Uh are attracted to that.
Speaker 2: Or maybe you have your walls down, you know, when
Speaker 2: you're when you're stressed and you're you're thinking about other things,
Speaker 2: and sometimes it allows for that communication to happen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, or maybe maybe it's really liked my uh my
Speaker 4: cover if I want to hold your hand.
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, my dog is barking.
Speaker 2: Oh God, don't tell me. It's barking and there's nothing there.
Speaker 3: No, No, it's probably a gardener or something.
Speaker 4: Okay, although that I should have gone with that, that
Speaker 4: had been really creepy for you the show.
Speaker 3: So yeah.
Speaker 4: So then I kind of just just sort of, you know, uh,
Speaker 4: stomached it and didn't think much about it.
Speaker 3: I just convinced myself I I was just seeing things.
Speaker 3: And then a few weeks later.
Speaker 4: I woke up again and I saw a little boy
Speaker 4: who's he was wearing a white shirt and had blonde hair,
Speaker 4: and he was he was he was hiding behind my
Speaker 4: behind the curtains of my bedroom. Just peeking out and
Speaker 4: just looking at me.
Speaker 1: Wait, in the middle of the night.
Speaker 4: This was like this was like in this one was
Speaker 4: probably like around dawn, I would say. And again I
Speaker 4: sat up and gasped very very loudly, and then I
Speaker 4: remember my abrupt movement scared him and then he disappeared.
Speaker 2: Now can you and I know that when you're in
Speaker 2: these moments you don't always like take in every single
Speaker 2: little detail or whatever because you're in shock and stuff,
Speaker 2: But can you describe what it was like when these
Speaker 2: figures disappeared? I mean, was it just like you blinked
Speaker 2: and they're gone, or did they dissolve or.
Speaker 4: I do remember a slight, a slight what do you
Speaker 4: call transparency? First, but they disappeared pretty quickly. But I
Speaker 4: but I do remember a slight like could see through
Speaker 4: them for for a few seconds before before they were gone,
Speaker 4: like like like it was it was it was it
Speaker 4: was a quick fade, which by the way, I I
Speaker 4: I have to disclose. I I totally like, whatever this is.
Speaker 4: This could be sleep proalysis. This I could be crazy.
Speaker 4: I could I could have just been stressed and been hallucinating.
Speaker 4: But regardless, it was very real to me and uh yeah,
Speaker 4: and it's it's and again I said, it's just it's
Speaker 4: just so much fun to talk about. So I mean,
Speaker 4: even if I am crazy, I mean, it's it's it's
Speaker 4: a it's a fun crazy.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, you came to the right place
Speaker 2: because we believe in this stuff, So don't.
Speaker 1: Even worry about that.
Speaker 2: But among friends, yes, but I mean with sleep paralysis
Speaker 2: like you, probably you wouldn't be able to sit up.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 4: And I and I I have had bad sleep paralysis
Speaker 4: where I am paralyzed and and can't move and that
Speaker 4: is very scary. But but yeah, these these experiences, I
Speaker 4: had full motion and I like, it wasn't just like
Speaker 4: like I woke up and it was gone. It was
Speaker 4: like I had I had, I had a minute or
Speaker 4: you know, good thirty seconds with with with seeing this
Speaker 4: in front of me.
Speaker 2: And both of these figures did they they both appear
Speaker 2: to be like the same, like living human beings they
Speaker 2: were at first Yeah, yeah, okay, and the yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 4: The first one that the janitor was just didn't didn't
Speaker 4: like have did didn't have any kind of reaction to me
Speaker 4: waking up. It just kind of heat is very still
Speaker 4: and just was just kind of looming.
Speaker 3: Over me, staring at me.
Speaker 4: And then the but but the little boy, which was
Speaker 4: the second one I experienced that he was there.
Speaker 3: He like very much reacted to my reaction, which I
Speaker 3: thought was interesting.
Speaker 1: So this is how long you've been living in the home?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 3: This is this was like I want to say, like
Speaker 3: the second month.
Speaker 2: Okay, And at this point are you afraid to go
Speaker 2: to bed or are.
Speaker 3: You I At this point I am in deep denial.
Speaker 4: Because it was like it was like it was like
Speaker 4: the world is scary outside my house, scary inside my house.
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna pretend everything is okay.
Speaker 1: Did you share this with anybody at the time?
Speaker 4: Oh, of course I told anyone who would listen. And yeah,
Speaker 4: and then my mom would come and visit me, if
Speaker 4: you know, occasionally. And my mom is very very much
Speaker 4: like does not believe in this kind of stuff. Or
Speaker 4: and and her her for the first time, she say
Speaker 4: at my house. She she I met her downstairs her
Speaker 4: breakfast and she goes, this house is haunted.
Speaker 1: Why did she say that?
Speaker 3: She was? I was like, why do you say that?
Speaker 4: And and she said that she she was hearing footsteps
Speaker 4: in the hallway all night long, and I granted, and
Speaker 4: I at the time, like I said, I was in denial.
Speaker 4: And I was like, well, you know, Brian, my cat
Speaker 4: is very heavy, so maybe you just you know, you
Speaker 4: heard you know, him stomping around. And She's like, no, Christopher,
Speaker 4: I heard human footsteps all night long going up down
Speaker 4: the stairs. And this house is haunted.
Speaker 3: You need to move.
Speaker 4: And again again just you know, denial, denial, denal, stomach
Speaker 4: at stomach at stomach it. So anyway, you know, the house,
Speaker 4: like the longer that I lived there, it just seemed
Speaker 4: like there was just this bad energy in in the air.
Speaker 4: And the way that it was built was was kind
Speaker 4: of unsettling too, because the it was it was multi leveled.
Speaker 4: It was it was like a big hound. It was
Speaker 4: kind of like a townhouse, but like it sat the
Speaker 4: kind of over a cliff in the hills. And uh,
Speaker 4: I uh that the basement was very creepy because the
Speaker 4: basement was only like partially finished, where like half of
Speaker 4: it was concrete and the other half was just dirt,
Speaker 4: like plain dirt, like like basically what I'm saying is
Speaker 4: bodies could have been buried. Of course, I wouldn't have known.
Speaker 4: So anyway, it just got to a point and I
Speaker 4: I remember I went to a psychic and and the
Speaker 4: psychic told me, yeah, that that you need to get
Speaker 4: out of that house.
Speaker 3: And and I was like, I agree. So I only
Speaker 3: lived there.
Speaker 4: I lived there for I think less than less than
Speaker 4: a year, and and then I then I moved to
Speaker 4: to another house. But then about I would say about
Speaker 4: three or four months after I moved from that house,
Speaker 4: I saw my old neighbor at the grocery store. His
Speaker 4: name was Ben, and I remember Ben telling me, you
Speaker 4: know who I'd become friends with.
Speaker 3: Uh over over the over the over the the.
Speaker 4: Time that I was living there. He stopped me the
Speaker 4: grocertore and he said, I never I would never have
Speaker 4: told you this while you were living there. But your
Speaker 4: house used to be a huge like drug house like
Speaker 4: it was.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 4: It was like people would come like we we would
Speaker 4: see like Bentley's and cars like parked outside for days
Speaker 4: and days on end. We would see people go in
Speaker 4: and then we would never see them come out. And
Speaker 4: so I was like, okay, well now you tell me.
Speaker 4: Maybe you could have told me this before I bought
Speaker 4: the house. But uh so, yeah, so that kind of
Speaker 4: confirmed to me that that there was some then, uh
Speaker 4: something something off there.
Speaker 2: Not only are you a dream guest with so many
Speaker 2: other things, as you've mentioned, you've done your homework and
Speaker 2: you've listened to the show, but you've got stories with endings. Yeah,
Speaker 2: with confirmation too, right, Oh my god, a nice little
Speaker 2: button on the ends. Okay, So then you move into
Speaker 2: the next place. At this point, do you now say, hey,
Speaker 2: is this house haunted.
Speaker 3: At this point? Anytime I enter any building, I.
Speaker 4: Ask if it's haunted at this point, and uh yeah,
Speaker 4: I did, and I remember the realtor said, uh no.
Speaker 4: In my my next house, the realtor said, no deaths,
Speaker 4: just a divorce. And I was like, Okay, I can
Speaker 4: handle a divorce. I can handle that.
Speaker 1: So what experiences have you had since then?
Speaker 3: So yeah, that was kind of like kind of the gateway.
Speaker 4: I think that experience into kind of I think after
Speaker 4: that I was just much more observant and I was
Speaker 4: much more sensitive to to stuff. And another I think
Speaker 4: another good another good story I can tell you was
Speaker 4: we were shooting Glee at the Pasadena Red Cross and uh,
Speaker 4: the Pasadena Red Cross is a beautiful building. It is
Speaker 4: an old mansion that was converted that was donated to
Speaker 4: the Red Cross and converted into like like a Red
Speaker 4: Cross like headquarters for the city of Pasadena. And uh,
Speaker 4: when I was shooting Glee, we used to shoot all
Speaker 4: if anyone watched the show.
Speaker 3: We used to shoot.
Speaker 4: Uh, the Dalton Academy was was where was what we
Speaker 4: used the passing the Red Cross to shoot. And I
Speaker 4: remember I was I was outside, uh looking like I
Speaker 4: was outside like the entrance.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: We were shooting a scene and waiting for waiting for
Speaker 4: the director to call action. And Uh, in the scene,
Speaker 4: I was just supposed to walk in through the front door,
Speaker 4: and I'm I'm on my on my mark, just you know,
Speaker 4: waiting for for the director to call action. And I
Speaker 4: got this feeling that I was being watched, And which
Speaker 4: is kind of strange because not only is there you know,
Speaker 4: a million crew members behind me and around me, there
Speaker 4: was also a you know, there was also like a
Speaker 4: huge group of pop razzi at the gates of the
Speaker 4: property snapping pictures. So it's just it was really strange
Speaker 4: that I got the feeling that I was being watched then,
Speaker 4: you know, because I was I was clearly being watched
Speaker 4: for for for the whole day. But then I got
Speaker 4: suddenly the eerie feeling that I was being watched and
Speaker 4: I I look up, and I see an older woman
Speaker 4: in the window of of of of the house.
Speaker 1: And and.
Speaker 4: I remember seeing her gave me chills. And I remember, actually,
Speaker 4: there's a paparazzi photo of me the minute that I
Speaker 4: looked up and saw her, which I think is kind
Speaker 4: of interesting, and if anyone finds it, you'll you'll you
Speaker 4: you'll know it's the photo I'm talking about because I look,
Speaker 4: I look very scared and I steer them up anyway,
Speaker 4: So I and I don't know, there was just something
Speaker 4: strange about her, and and she didn't look like.
Speaker 3: She was part of our crew.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we.
Speaker 3: White, that's all I could see. They love white, right,
Speaker 3: Just an older lady.
Speaker 4: H just and I I because because it was daytime,
Speaker 4: it was like it was like the window like was
Speaker 4: really reflective. So I so so I I I I
Speaker 4: only saw it. I couldn't see her very well, but
Speaker 4: I but I definitely saw her.
Speaker 3: And it was weird.
Speaker 4: It was like one of those those things like when
Speaker 4: you see something you also feel it at the same time.
Speaker 4: Does that make any sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was almost like I was like feeling her
Speaker 4: as much as I was seeing her. And anyway, so uh,
Speaker 4: we should have seen blah blah blah, and and I
Speaker 4: try to find that room in between setups. I tried
Speaker 4: to find that that room that I saw this woman in,
Speaker 4: and I'm kind of exploring the house and then I
Speaker 4: realize it is uh it was it was the attic.
Speaker 4: It was the attict that I that I saw her in,
Speaker 4: and uh, either you know, there's bunch there's a bunch
Speaker 4: of a bunch of uh like old antiques there. Things
Speaker 4: were covered with sheets. It was like literally like it
Speaker 4: was like like it couldn't have been more textbook addict totally.
Speaker 3: And so I was thinking.
Speaker 4: And then of course, because of my experiences at my
Speaker 4: old house, I thought, oh god, is it happening again?
Speaker 4: Did I just did I just see a ghost? So
Speaker 4: I go to the location manager and I ask her, Hey,
Speaker 4: can we find out if this place is haunted? And
Speaker 4: she kind of gave me, like, you know, that weird
Speaker 4: look that everyone gives you when you know, asked the
Speaker 4: question like that, and she's like, uh, sure, get give me,
Speaker 4: give me a few minutes.
Speaker 1: Let me get right on that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so then and then and then a few uh,
Speaker 4: I said, like twenty minutes later, she comes up to
Speaker 4: me with a huge smile on her face and she's like,
Speaker 4: you're not going to believe this, and I was like,
Speaker 4: trust me, I will and she's like, this house, Uh,
Speaker 4: this house is people claim this house is very haunted.
Speaker 4: They they claim they've seen a woman roaming the hall,
Speaker 4: an older woman roaming the halls. And it's actually been
Speaker 4: on the show ghost Hunters. Oh my god, and I had.
Speaker 3: I had never seen I swear I had never seen
Speaker 3: that episode.
Speaker 1: I just I.
Speaker 4: Anyway, So again, that was that was confirmation for me that, okay,
Speaker 4: so yeah, I experienced something that other people have also experienced.
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, for anyone that's never been to Pasadena,
Speaker 2: it is just like gigantic old houses. Yeah, and so
Speaker 2: many of them are haunted. There's tons of haunted places
Speaker 2: in Pasadena. They just love it there.
Speaker 1: They do.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean it's very nice. I can't blame them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is nice.
Speaker 2: Did you guys so you filmed a lot there? So
Speaker 2: did did other people have experiences that you knew about?
Speaker 4: I never actually asked anyone about it, because this is
Speaker 4: actually when this happened. We were this was season five,
Speaker 4: and I actually never went back there again. This is
Speaker 4: this is actually the last time that I was there.
Speaker 4: So maybe she was saying goodbye.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh you should go visit her.
Speaker 3: What a weird way to get in. Hi, I have
Speaker 3: a I know the lady.
Speaker 1: In the attic, I know the ghost here.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I was thinking, I I did a
Speaker 2: little research of my own and I found a clip
Speaker 2: from when you were on Jimmy Fallon and you were
Speaker 2: telling the story about a little alien that you encountered.
Speaker 1: Can we hear that story?
Speaker 3: Absolutely? Yeah, that's on my list. Yeah. So I I was,
Speaker 3: I was, I was little.
Speaker 4: I was I want to say about I forget. I
Speaker 4: think it was like five or six or something like that,
Speaker 4: and I had terrible bronchitis, and so I was hyped
Speaker 4: up on on lots of uh, you know, cough syrup
Speaker 4: and and whatnot. And I remember again waking up in
Speaker 4: the middle of the night and uh there was a
Speaker 4: little et standing at the foot of my bed and
Speaker 4: he was very very cute, and I I remember it
Speaker 4: was so strange because I as soon as I opened
Speaker 4: them my eyes and I realized what I was looking at.
Speaker 4: I was not afraid of it at all, which is
Speaker 4: kind of funny because every time I've ever anytime that
Speaker 4: that that experience has happened to me before or after,
Speaker 4: I've always been very scared. But there there was something
Speaker 4: about seeing this extraterrestrial that I I felt very almost comforted.
Speaker 3: That that he was there or or she or or they,
Speaker 3: and uh yeah.
Speaker 4: And uh I totally like again, it could have could
Speaker 4: have been a hallucination, but kind of a very specific,
Speaker 4: strange hallucination to have. And ever since then, I've I've
Speaker 4: been fascinated by uh, you know, the alien theories and
Speaker 4: and and uh UFOs and uh it's it's one of
Speaker 4: my little hobbies to to research and and read about.
Speaker 2: But what was it that made you think that it
Speaker 2: was an alien as opposed to a ghost or anything else.
Speaker 4: He had a huge head, huge eyes, he looked he
Speaker 4: looked just like just like like the alien emoji.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, about I would say, about three and a
Speaker 4: half feet tall, like bluish grayish skin oh uh and
Speaker 4: uh yeah and then and yeah and uh but adorable,
Speaker 4: absolutely adorable and and maybe maybe he was just so cute.
Speaker 3: I wasn't afraid.
Speaker 2: And so how did that one end? Did he did
Speaker 2: he walk out the room or what happened?
Speaker 4: Same same as my ghost experiences later on it was faded. Wow,
Speaker 4: which again I which anyone, you know, any skeptics listening,
Speaker 4: would say, okay, clearly, if you know you have the
Speaker 4: same thing happened to you more than once, it's probably medical.
Speaker 3: It's not it's not you know, uh, it's not supernatural.
Speaker 1: But oh come on, well, I I think I.
Speaker 3: Think it was real because I you know, I it's
Speaker 3: a lot of fun. I think it was real.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, Well because when I was watching the
Speaker 2: clip with Jimmy Fallon, you were saying that it was
Speaker 2: kind of, uh telepathic communication between the two of you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it was kind of like I just I,
Speaker 4: like I said, like, I knew he was I knew
Speaker 4: they were there. They weren't there to hurt me, and
Speaker 4: I knew they just were there to say basically, hey,
Speaker 4: feel better.
Speaker 1: Have you have you heard about this documentary called The Phenomenon?
Speaker 3: Yes, it's on is it Discovery Plus?
Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, which I'm obsessed with Discovery Plus because it
Speaker 2: has all these paranormal shows and stuff, but that one
Speaker 2: has this story that I had never heard before of
Speaker 2: these kids in Zimbabwe that were at school and they
Speaker 2: were doing recess and all of a sudden, this UFO
Speaker 2: came down and basically what you described came out of
Speaker 2: the craft and had telepathic communication with them, and all
Speaker 2: of these children experienced it, and there was I guess
Speaker 2: in the nineties.
Speaker 1: This was in nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 2: The BBC did an interview with the children and the
Speaker 2: kids seem very like, very convinced, and there are a
Speaker 2: lot of them that experienced this. And then in this
Speaker 2: documentary the phenomenon, they go back and they catch up
Speaker 2: with the kids and it just reminded me so much
Speaker 2: of that story when I heard yours.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I gotta finish. I think I started
Speaker 4: it but never finished it, So I definitely got to
Speaker 4: check that out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's right towards the end of it. It's it's
Speaker 1: so cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And a very similar thing happened in I think
Speaker 4: it was either it was either Australia or New Zealand,
Speaker 4: like I can't remember, but where these kids were playing
Speaker 4: at recess and there was like fifty of them, you know,
Speaker 4: playing soccer or something and a saucer flew by and
Speaker 4: they all saw it. And to this day, they all,
Speaker 4: they all, every single one of them, it still claims
Speaker 4: that they you know, they saw what they saw. And
Speaker 4: it's always great when you know someone else is there,
Speaker 4: so you know you don't feel you know, you don't
Speaker 4: feel crazy.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what's so great about the stories that you've
Speaker 2: told about your ghost stuff is that it seems like
Speaker 2: you've gotten a little bit of validation that that stuff
Speaker 2: that other people have experienced.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and I mean I absolutely believe in in aliens.
Speaker 4: I think aliens are kind of like the exact opposite
Speaker 4: of Sanna. You know, we're like like when we're as
Speaker 4: we grow up, like we slowly start to realize Sanna
Speaker 4: isn't real.
Speaker 3: But with aliens, it's.
Speaker 4: Like, as we grow up, we slowly start to realize,
Speaker 4: oh no, they these things are real.
Speaker 1: Right. And I think that they they come in peace.
Speaker 1: That's my vida two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, two.
Speaker 4: I think they're so so far advanced that they have
Speaker 4: no reason to mess with us. I mean, if anything,
Speaker 4: I think they're just they're they're just checking on us,
Speaker 4: very much like we would check, you know, on rhinos
Speaker 4: in the wild.
Speaker 2: Right, But I'm starting to think after these billionaires are
Speaker 2: going into outer space, I'm like, what if aliens are
Speaker 2: just like billionaires on their planet that are just kind
Speaker 2: of going on vacation to look at us?
Speaker 3: Yeah, teenagers with the keys to their parents' car.
Speaker 1: That's what I always say.
Speaker 2: Yes, I feel like they're just like, let's go look
Speaker 2: at these idiots on Earth that are just like, you know,
Speaker 2: fighting and killing their planet and.
Speaker 4: Would be funny, like like the Roswell incident is like
Speaker 4: they're like drunk driving Awareness month.
Speaker 2: Seriously, it's like, yeah, this is what happens if you
Speaker 2: don't pay attention to your craft. So what what else
Speaker 2: is on that list you got over there?
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: Okay, so I've got okay, all right, well I guess
Speaker 4: I guess, I guess I can. I can finish my
Speaker 4: ghost list and then literally just like you and you
Speaker 4: can edit this however you want, but I mean, I'll
Speaker 4: just give you everything I've got.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So the next one, I've had. My my mom
Speaker 4: passed away in twenty sixteen, and I've had some very
Speaker 4: strange experiences that me and my family and my friends
Speaker 4: are convinced are it is absolutely her, her ghosts saying
Speaker 4: saying hello for one my when my dad remarried. My
Speaker 4: my dad remarried a few years after she passed in
Speaker 4: to a one ful, wonderful woman I have, I have
Speaker 4: a I have a wonderful stepmother.
Speaker 1: But she.
Speaker 4: Kept finding her engagement ring in the trash can and
Speaker 4: couldn't figure out how it was getting there. So we
Speaker 4: always joked that my mom wasn't really happy that my
Speaker 4: dad was was remarrying.
Speaker 3: With me. Though there was one.
Speaker 4: Time because I used to love teasing my mom because
Speaker 4: because she would get so she would get so flustered
Speaker 4: whenever I tease her. And uh, my, my boyfriend and
Speaker 4: I were sitting at our dining table actually where I'm
Speaker 4: sitting right now, and uh, we were just, you know,
Speaker 4: reminiscing about her and and you know, kind of kind
Speaker 4: of kind of teasing her as if as if she
Speaker 4: was there and her I have her ashes in a
Speaker 4: in a shelf on a bookcase.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: Next, this is this is a lot of details, so
Speaker 4: so so bear with me. Her ashes are on a
Speaker 4: on a shelf on my on my bookcase, next to
Speaker 4: a lamb that was made from her a stuft animal
Speaker 4: lamb that's made from her wedding dress. Oh, it's cute,
Speaker 4: very cute, very cute. When I was a kid, I
Speaker 4: had a lamb that was like my it was my
Speaker 4: teddy bear. So when my my my mom passed away,
Speaker 4: my dad had things made for me and my sister
Speaker 4: out of her, like pillows and stuffed animals out.
Speaker 3: Of her wedding dress. And it's very very pretty.
Speaker 4: Anyway, So we're sitting here and we're my boyfriend I
Speaker 4: were sitting here, and we were we were, we were
Speaker 4: you know, kind of rising her a little bit, and suddenly,
Speaker 4: out of nowhere, the lamb just gets knocked off the shelf.
Speaker 4: And it like like there was no there was no
Speaker 4: explanation for it. So it was a deep shelf like
Speaker 4: it it always sits in the very very very back
Speaker 4: of the shelf. So even if it had fallen over,
Speaker 4: it wouldn't have fallen off the shelf.
Speaker 3: Does that make sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it would have just fallen you know, it would
Speaker 4: have you know, been lopsided in the shelf. But this
Speaker 4: was like as if as if as if it had
Speaker 4: been kicked out from out of the shelf. It kind
Speaker 4: of it came flying out again and that was that
Speaker 4: was great because I had someone here who witnessed it
Speaker 4: with me. Yeah, and so we were just like, okay,
Speaker 4: I guess she didn't didn't like that joke. And then
Speaker 4: uh another story involving my mom. Uh and this this,
Speaker 4: this one, this one is great. I actually wasn't present
Speaker 4: for this one, but it's it's a great story. I Uh,
Speaker 4: I bought a beach house in this the kind of
Speaker 4: like the near the Santa Barbara area a few years ago,
Speaker 4: and uh, I used to always joke that it was
Speaker 4: my mom's house because she always ended up using it
Speaker 4: more than I did. It seemed like she was there
Speaker 4: every weekend with a new group of friends and uh
Speaker 4: a few about a year after she died, I got
Speaker 4: a call from my neighbor up there that said, you know,
Speaker 4: your your garage is is malfunctioning. It just it just
Speaker 4: keeps opening and closing, opening and closing, opening and closing.
Speaker 4: So my assistant, Heather, went up to see what the
Speaker 4: problem was and she tried to close it. She tried
Speaker 4: to fix it, and she couldn't. It just kept opening
Speaker 4: and closing, opening and closing. So she called the technician
Speaker 4: to come out and look at it. And he came
Speaker 4: out and he looked at it and looked at it,
Speaker 4: and he could not figure out what the problem was.
Speaker 4: And he concluded that the something something microscopic in the
Speaker 4: like the microchip of the uh you know, of the
Speaker 4: of the what do you call it, the the pad
Speaker 4: that you know that where you hit the button to
Speaker 4: open and close the barage. He said that something my
Speaker 4: microscopic must have broken and uh, the term they use
Speaker 4: for that is called ghosting, when when it's something so
Speaker 4: small they can't receive it, but it's causing the machinery
Speaker 4: to malfunction.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll have my lawyers get in contact with them.
Speaker 4: Ghosting and anyway, so he explained this to my assistant, Heather,
Speaker 4: and he he's he replaced, He replaced the microchip and
Speaker 4: it started working fine. And on his way out, he said, oh,
Speaker 4: by the way, you know, it was nice to meet you,
Speaker 4: Karen to my assistant. And my mom's name was Karen,
Speaker 4: what right, right? And so Heather, my assistant, apparently, she
Speaker 4: said she just froze, went pale, and she was like,
Speaker 4: that's not my name. And then and then she was like,
Speaker 4: but like we always joke that a woman named Karen.
Speaker 3: Her spirit is at this place. We joke about it.
Speaker 4: All the time, and she said the guy got so
Speaker 4: freaked out. He just he just was like, let's not
Speaker 4: talk about this and drove off.
Speaker 1: Why did he think that she was Karen?
Speaker 3: Isn't that insane?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I know.
Speaker 4: That's that's pretty I mean, And like I said, I
Speaker 4: wasn't there. I didn't see it, but I mean, what
Speaker 4: a story.
Speaker 1: Whoa you know?
Speaker 2: That's like, okay, I had this story happened one time
Speaker 2: that I've told on the show, and I'll just tell
Speaker 2: you briefly, Like I had this experience where I was
Speaker 2: staying in a friend's house that I kind of knew
Speaker 2: was a little bit haunted, and I had an experience
Speaker 2: in the middle of the night where like a door,
Speaker 2: the closet door opened and whatever.
Speaker 1: And then I woke up.
Speaker 2: The next day and I had in my brain the
Speaker 2: name of what the ghost was.
Speaker 1: And my friend didn't know that she had.
Speaker 2: She had actually just found out that that's what the
Speaker 2: ghosts name was, and she was like, how did you
Speaker 2: know that? And I'm like, I don't know, it was
Speaker 2: just in my head. That's just what I thought the ghosts.
Speaker 2: I just had it in my head.
Speaker 4: I don't know, Yeah, you know, I this the story
Speaker 4: I told you. I know, I know exactly what mean
Speaker 4: the story that I told you about the Red Cross
Speaker 4: in Pasadena. For whatever reason, I just I knew the
Speaker 4: lady that I was looking at. I just knew her
Speaker 4: name started with the sea. I don't know why, it
Speaker 4: just it just like it popped into my head, like
Speaker 4: like it just entered my mind. And then I asked
Speaker 4: the location manager, you know what the name of the
Speaker 4: the the family who was who lived there, who donated
Speaker 4: the house to the Red Cross, And she said they
Speaker 4: were they were called the Craven family with with with
Speaker 4: the c oh. I know exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 4: It It's strange what what what we pick up on.
Speaker 1: I think that both of us are psychics.
Speaker 2: I think that we like like I think you and
Speaker 2: I both have because what you're the kind of stories
Speaker 2: that you're telling me are kinds that I've had in
Speaker 2: my life where I think that goes. I think ghosts
Speaker 2: like us, and I think that if we wanted to,
Speaker 2: we could actually be like real psychics. Like I think
Speaker 2: that I think.
Speaker 4: I mean, I I have been told by many psychics
Speaker 4: that I'm psychic.
Speaker 1: Psych I've ever been to. They're like, if you wanted to,
Speaker 1: you could steal all of our business.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, no, I'm one of us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't really want to be a psychic, but.
Speaker 3: It seems like it take a lot of work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's just too much. I don't want
Speaker 2: to know everything about everything. And you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: have you had a lot of experiences with psychics.
Speaker 4: Well, one of my best friends in the entire world
Speaker 4: is is a psychic. Her name is shar And I
Speaker 4: char Margole Is. She's incredible. She she she had she
Speaker 4: had her own show on Will Plus the reading reading
Speaker 4: for queens, and she is uh famously she she, I
Speaker 4: don't know if you know the story about when a
Speaker 4: Dean Martin's brother UH died in a plane crash off
Speaker 4: the coast of Hawaii, and UH the search and rescue
Speaker 4: UH searched for his body for days and days, and
Speaker 4: they were desperate, and so they called shar and she
Speaker 4: walked into the search and rescue headquarters and pointed to
Speaker 4: a map and said, he's here, and they found him
Speaker 4: that afternoon. WHOA, Yeah, so UH and they're actually actually
Speaker 4: making a documentary about it right now, So, uh, that'll
Speaker 4: be fun when that when that comes out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's one psychic ability that I would
Speaker 2: love to have, to be able to find things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and she like, she's I mean you you got
Speaker 4: to have her on on on your show. I think
Speaker 4: I think, I think you would get along. I'll make
Speaker 4: the connection happen. But she also used to work, uh,
Speaker 4: used to work for for the police and and like
Speaker 4: these they used to like like like Mike mike her
Speaker 4: and wire her and send her into into places and
Speaker 4: she would pick up on things and and help help
Speaker 4: detectives and stuff.
Speaker 3: So she's she's got a lot of amazing stories.
Speaker 2: Did it ever appeal to you to do like Tyler
Speaker 2: Henry or you know, any of these celebrity psychic shows,
Speaker 2: It did?
Speaker 4: I you know, when like like like I've definitely had
Speaker 4: offers to do like like him and and the Long
Speaker 4: Island Medium and and whatnot. And I I find I
Speaker 4: believe in all that so much.
Speaker 3: I just don't.
Speaker 4: I just I wouldn't be very comfortable being that vulnerable
Speaker 4: on camera.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean it gets heavy, it.
Speaker 4: Gets really heavy, and and so I mean like like
Speaker 4: like stories like this. I think I have no problem
Speaker 4: telling anyone because I think they're fun and and and
Speaker 4: uh and and whatnot. But yeah, I just like I
Speaker 4: don't know, I I don't I don't want my my
Speaker 4: deceased relatives spilling all, you know, telling all my secrets.
Speaker 1: Yeah totally.
Speaker 2: So have you had other extraterrestrial type experiences, you know.
Speaker 1: I've had.
Speaker 3: I've had some some.
Speaker 4: Crazy dreams, uh where I've been like a board UFOs
Speaker 4: and whatnot. Never like anything cool like where I'm being
Speaker 4: experimented on. It's it's more like it's more like, oh, crap,
Speaker 4: how do you get in here?
Speaker 3: Kind of a kind of a thing. But I did
Speaker 3: see a UFO for the first time last year.
Speaker 1: It keeps getting better, I know, I know, I.
Speaker 3: Mean I I sound like a lunatic And that's okay.
Speaker 2: Now you don't not here if you were on like
Speaker 2: I don't know c Span right now being interviewed, Yes,
Speaker 2: but yeah right now.
Speaker 4: And I for the record, if I wanted attention, there
Speaker 4: are many many avenues I could I could.
Speaker 1: Pursue, trust me, Yeah, totally.
Speaker 4: But uh yeah, And I think I think I'm actually
Speaker 4: because I have a book coming out this, uh, this
Speaker 4: this uh this fall. So I think i'll have to
Speaker 4: I'll have to uh when I promoted, I'll have to,
Speaker 4: you know, let show that she led the tonight show
Speaker 4: showed the video or something because because I took a
Speaker 4: video of it.
Speaker 1: Actually, oh my god, Okay, So what happened.
Speaker 3: So I was leaving, I was leaving. I forget. Actually
Speaker 3: it wasn't last year, I think it was.
Speaker 4: It was might have been in January actually January of
Speaker 4: this year, and I was leaving.
Speaker 3: Or was I leaving I was? I forget where I
Speaker 3: was leaving.
Speaker 4: But anyway, I was stepping out, and I was wearing
Speaker 4: sunglasses and I look up in the sky, and had
Speaker 4: I not been wearing sunglasses, I would not have seen it,
Speaker 4: because it blended into the.
Speaker 3: Sky pretty well. But it was just like this.
Speaker 4: It was this this white like it looked like a
Speaker 4: like a like a cylind, like a cylinder, very small,
Speaker 4: just hovering in the air, and it was it was
Speaker 4: bobbing from side to side.
Speaker 3: It wasn't moving with the wind.
Speaker 4: It was it was it was upright and it was
Speaker 4: just it was just it was just chillin in the
Speaker 4: sky and I wasn't sure what it was so I
Speaker 4: took a video of it, and uh, you know, sent
Speaker 4: it to a lot of my sent a lot of
Speaker 4: my friends, you know, and they all congratulated me on
Speaker 4: my my first UFO side because they they knew what
Speaker 4: a milestone.
Speaker 3: It was for me.
Speaker 1: This was here in California.
Speaker 4: It was here in California, in Los Angeles, and then
Speaker 4: later that later that afternoon. It's funny because they is
Speaker 4: when I think it was. I think it was American.
Speaker 4: The American Airlines pilots in Arizona reported seeing a cylinder
Speaker 4: flying over Arizona. So I remember, I remember it was
Speaker 4: the same exact day, and uh, luckily, like our iPhones
Speaker 4: date everything, so I was able, you know, I was
Speaker 4: able to to make that connection.
Speaker 2: There's this other thing with UFOs that people believe, which
Speaker 2: is that there's some people that UFOs and aliens like
Speaker 2: keep up with, you know, and maybe maybe you'll have
Speaker 2: a series of those experiences.
Speaker 4: I hope so, because because God, like I said, they're
Speaker 4: they're my favorite thing to talk about. Like I just
Speaker 4: it's such a passion project imagining.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, you experienced one at such a
Speaker 2: young age.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, maybe maybe maybe maybe that's not a mole
Speaker 4: on my on my neck.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's a tracking device.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you know what I was reading? Frank
Speaker 2: Dresher says that she like had an experience with an
Speaker 2: alien like that.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if it's legit or not, but
Speaker 2: I read it online, so it's probably.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, there there's a there's a there's a
Speaker 4: great story about uh.
Speaker 3: I think it was.
Speaker 4: It was a party at Lucilla Ball's house. Ronald Reagan
Speaker 4: came came to the party. Uh you know, back this
Speaker 4: was he was long before he was even you know,
Speaker 4: thinking about politics. He was just you know, an actor
Speaker 4: in westerns. He came to the party, it kind of disheveled,
Speaker 4: and they asked him what was wrong, and he said
Speaker 4: that he had he had encountered uh, extraterrestrials like on Mulholland,
Speaker 4: and one of them told him he was going to
Speaker 4: be president.
Speaker 1: What.
Speaker 3: Yeah, isn't that nuts?
Speaker 1: But I've never heard that story.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah. Have you ever been to Alien con?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Have you?
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, treat yourself.
Speaker 1: Where is that in Roswell?
Speaker 3: Uh? The one I went to, Although I have I
Speaker 3: have been to Roswell.
Speaker 4: I went to Roswell on vacation because I'm eccentric and
Speaker 4: I loved I took it. I took a tour of
Speaker 4: Roswell Tours by Dennis. I highly recommend. He will give
Speaker 4: you all the information you ever you ever want. But no,
Speaker 4: I went to Alien con I think it's actually it
Speaker 4: was in Pasadena, of all, randomly a few years back,
Speaker 4: and it was, Oh my god, it.
Speaker 3: Was I mean it was.
Speaker 4: It was kind of like a cheesy convention, but just
Speaker 4: the people watching is phenomenal.
Speaker 1: Oh of course, that's like.
Speaker 4: The Q and A section at the panels are like
Speaker 4: fascinating and and you know, you know people they always
Speaker 4: use the Q and A in those those those scenarios
Speaker 4: to just talk about themselves, and oh my god, it
Speaker 4: was just it was it was a gift.
Speaker 2: So when it comes to UFOs and aliens, like, so,
Speaker 2: what do you believe? Do you believe that they live
Speaker 2: on another planet in outer space and they come here?
Speaker 2: Because sometimes I have these beliefs that what if they
Speaker 2: like live here.
Speaker 3: M yeah, I go back and forth.
Speaker 4: I I think I honestly, my theory is is actually
Speaker 4: maybe they're just they're just a very very evolved form
Speaker 4: of us you know, I've always because you know, when
Speaker 4: you when you look at when you look at like
Speaker 4: the you know, the the evolutionary diagram of of you know,
Speaker 4: you know, chimps evolving into human beings. You know, the
Speaker 4: the further that our species progresses, it's like the less
Speaker 4: hairy we get, the big the bigger our heads become,
Speaker 4: the bigger our eyes become, and uh, you know, the
Speaker 4: more we lose digits, like you know, fingers and tails
Speaker 4: and whatnot. And so if you put like the traditional
Speaker 4: depiction of an alien.
Speaker 3: On that on that that that what do you call it?
Speaker 3: That that chart?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you could see actually how we could actually evolve
Speaker 4: into that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because there is always kind of that feeling of
Speaker 2: like they're at the zoo or something right when they're
Speaker 2: looking at us, and it's like, yeah, what if they
Speaker 2: are more evolved versions of Do you want to hear
Speaker 2: some ghost voices?
Speaker 1: Yes? Okay, it's time.
Speaker 2: For EVP.
Speaker 1: Or ev plice. So you know how this works.
Speaker 2: I go to YouTube and I look up e VP
Speaker 2: is Electronic voice phenomenal AKA people on the Internet that
Speaker 2: believe they have captured ghosts speaking. And I'll give you
Speaker 2: some options. First, let me know what you hear, and
Speaker 2: we'll try to figure out what these ghost hunters believe
Speaker 2: their ghost is saying. So this first one comes from
Speaker 2: the it's called American Paranormal Research Association. That sounds very
Speaker 2: official on YouTube. And this is at Murphy's Historic Hotel,
Speaker 2: which is in Murphy's, California. And let's see if you
Speaker 2: can hear anything.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Always I give the benefit of the doubt, especially because
Speaker 2: we're doing this over zoom.
Speaker 1: It might be hard to hear, but we'll try. All right,
Speaker 1: here we go.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it happened so fast. We've played again.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, oh my god, I have no It kind
Speaker 5: of sounds like almost like I cash me.
Speaker 1: Outside, catch me outside? How about that? Yeah? I mean
Speaker 1: it's definitely.
Speaker 2: It sounds like kind of a higher pitch voice from
Speaker 2: a distance, uh, saying like kind of a sentence.
Speaker 1: Play it again.
Speaker 4: It's almost like uh like like like uh, you know
Speaker 4: the song Booty Booty Booty Booty Rock and everywhere. That's
Speaker 4: that's it seems like they they say the first the
Speaker 4: first lyrics and they give up.
Speaker 2: I think it sounds like that Madonna song what are
Speaker 2: you looking at?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I hear. Wait, let me play it again.
Speaker 2: What are you looking at?
Speaker 3: I agree with you. I think that's that's the closest thing.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, I have some other options, so it's one
Speaker 2: of these. Is that A? What A my freaking plants?
Speaker 2: Maybe they're going out of town and they want you
Speaker 2: to water the plants. I don't know, is it nicely?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: At least that was more of a demand. Okay, how
Speaker 2: about B? What do you think you're doing?
Speaker 1: Is it C? I wonder about you? Or D?
Speaker 2: What if I got highlights? Maybe they're thinking about, you know,
Speaker 2: switching it up?
Speaker 3: What was was option B?
Speaker 2: What do you think you're doing? I would say that, Okay,
Speaker 2: let me play it again. Yeah that's what they think
Speaker 2: it says, and I actually kind of hear it.
Speaker 3: Yeah I hear. I definitely heard that.
Speaker 1: What do you think you're doing?
Speaker 2: Okay, here's one more, and this one is from Oklahoma
Speaker 2: Ghost Chasers and I couldn't figure out what the location was.
Speaker 2: So at someplace with a ghost and here's a ghost speaking.
Speaker 1: What is it saying?
Speaker 2: Okay, this one's more of a whisper with a lot
Speaker 2: of background noise, but it's yeah, it's a whispery kind
Speaker 2: of a ghost. I'll played again. Do you hear anything
Speaker 2: one more time?
Speaker 4: I can't make out anything like like if anything. It
Speaker 4: kind of seems like a It kind of sounds like
Speaker 4: who are you gonna try?
Speaker 1: Who are you gonna call? Ghosts? Boasters? Yeah, it's one
Speaker 1: more time.
Speaker 3: No, no, No, that's a tough one.
Speaker 2: I feel like it sounds like terminator, terminator. Okay, let
Speaker 2: me give you some options. Is it a turtle head, B,
Speaker 2: you better back up, C, turn that off?
Speaker 1: Or D. My attorney just called.
Speaker 3: Well I respect D the most.
Speaker 1: Let me let me.
Speaker 3: I have no idea.
Speaker 2: It says turn that off, turn that off. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 2: now that we know that, let's hear it again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I can hear that.
Speaker 1: Now turn that off? Yeah, I can hear it. I
Speaker 1: can hear it. Well, I think that's about it.
Speaker 2: I think we got a full episode of amazing stories here.
Speaker 1: I am so grateful that you.
Speaker 4: Didn't shut up. Thank you so much for giving me
Speaker 4: a safe place.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's perfect. And so what's going on
Speaker 2: with you? You got another book coming out? I mean
Speaker 2: this is number what now? You've written so many?
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is number eighteen for me.
Speaker 2: Congratulations you are my niece, my niece, Ella's favorite author.
Speaker 1: Oh shout out to Ella.
Speaker 4: Hi Ella, thank you so much, so yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 4: another book coming. I just had a graphic novel come
Speaker 4: out last month called Goldilocks Wanted Dead or Alive. And
Speaker 4: my new book, A Tale of Sorcery is the third
Speaker 4: book in my new in my A Tale of Magic series,
Speaker 4: so that I'll be hitting shelves in September.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much to Chris Cole for for
Speaker 2: how did I get so lucky?
Speaker 1: And if you want to hear.
Speaker 2: Just a little bit more where I talk to Chris
Speaker 2: about haunted dolls, bigfoots, deemons, you know, that kind of
Speaker 2: other otherworldly other stuff and cryptid creatures and that sort
Speaker 2: of a thing. I have a little clip on my
Speaker 2: Patreon patreon dot com slash ross dress Fules. You can
Speaker 2: also watch a video of me talking about haunted eBay dolls.
Speaker 1: Hey are you subscribed to the show. Please subscribe?
Speaker 2: Rate the show five stars and if you have a
Speaker 2: ghost story, you could leave it in a five star review,
Speaker 2: or you could just write something nice, or you could
Speaker 2: send me a ghost story to ghosted by Roz at
Speaker 2: gmail dot com with the subject line listen episode, and
Speaker 2: maybe I could have you on an upcoming listener episode.
Speaker 2: I as have a Facebook group called Ghosted by Roz
Speaker 2: dres Falaes and hey, spooky season is getting real, real close,
Speaker 2: so help me spread the word about this fun show
Speaker 2: we do over here. I am on Instagram at Roz
Speaker 2: Hernandez cameo Roz dress Flaz. I love you all, both
Speaker 2: living and dead.
Speaker 1: But if I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't
Speaker 1: haunt me. Hey, back Star a podcast network