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Speaker 2: to twenty minutes just on the Eagles and the Niners.

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Speaker 2: John's a former Eagle scout and for years lived at

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Speaker 2: the Bay Area. Great connections with San Francisco, so he'll

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Speaker 2: have a breakdown like nobody else. Let me just spend

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Speaker 2: ten minutes on the Packers whenever Kansas City. It was

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Speaker 2: their game from the very beginning. And I said this

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Speaker 2: during the week on FS one. It didn't matter if

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Speaker 2: Green Bay won in terms of the big picture. What

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Speaker 2: Jordan Love had to do with Patrick Mahomes on the

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Speaker 2: other sideline is to be able to match him. And

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Speaker 2: you know, we know Mahomes is the better quarterback. Can

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Speaker 2: and I thought Jordan Love was everything and more. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's interesting. For years I've said about Green Bay is

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Speaker 2: I think they draft and develop as well as anybody

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Speaker 2: in the NFL. Just look at their wide receiving talent. Watson, Jayden, Reid, Robo,

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Speaker 2: They're really clever athletes, all can play. New England hasn't

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Speaker 2: And it's what's interesting if you look at the Packers' history,

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Speaker 2: they don't take a lot of players, offensive players in

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Speaker 2: the first round, but yet they always end up with

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Speaker 2: run in the McCarthy, in the Matt Lafleur. They do

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Speaker 2: offense well, Steelers do defense well. Packers do offense well.

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Speaker 2: And this of course helps Jordan Love, whereas Kenny Pickett

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Speaker 2: Love's got great aids to his left, to his right.

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Speaker 2: He also, and we've discussed this, you know, ad nauseum.

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers was like, you know, a fifty year old

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Speaker 2: year olds. He didn't fit all these young players as

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Speaker 2: they were rebuilding the offense. This generationally works. Jordan Love

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Speaker 2: He's just a shot fighter. So I'm not saying Jordan

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Speaker 2: And I always thought that's interesting, get buy in in

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Speaker 2: the building. It's a lot like that for a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Watch the Chicago Bears play calling with Justin Fields. He

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Speaker 2: Let's wait until we're comfortable. Let's let this thing develop.

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Speaker 2: The Packers knew better now when you watch it. They

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Speaker 2: just let him go. I mean, it's got a backyard

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Speaker 2: It looks a little backyard football. But he's playing with

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Speaker 2: quarterback syndrome, where like far of An Aaron Rodgers are

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Speaker 2: as you get older, you make big money, you become

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Speaker 2: Green Bay is fine without Aaron Rodgers. Mike McCarthy is

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Speaker 2: I think sometimes Green Bay may feel like Mayberry in

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Speaker 2: Bay offers a lot that other teams don't. They don't

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Speaker 2: have an impulsive, erratic owner David Temper who just blows

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Speaker 2: They're not going to overspend on free agents. Free agents

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Speaker 2: They don't have a loud, fire breathing press to deal with.

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Speaker 2: But they've turned him loose and it's fun. And also tonight,

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Speaker 2: give the Packers credit. I tho their defense played really well.

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Speaker 2: watch them tonight, I mean, Kansas City's defense is good,

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Speaker 2: but it's good, and green Bay hit on a lot

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Speaker 2: green Bay is a better team tonight. I mean, it

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Speaker 2: wasn't a fluke. I didn't feel like I was watching

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Speaker 2: like that past to Christian Watson and everybody said, oh Watson,

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Speaker 2: twitchy athletic receivers, a coaching staff that increasingly trusts Jordan

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Speaker 2: Love that's obvious, and a defense that played its butt

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Speaker 2: question all night who the better team was. The officiating

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Speaker 2: team was the worst on the field. That penalty on

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Speaker 2: the hit on Mahomes is nonsense. That's just a nonsense call.

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Speaker 2: And the lack of PI five minutes later, two minutes

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Speaker 2: The officiating was it really was bad, like embarrassing bad

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Speaker 2: John Middlecoff, as we get ready for close to an

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Speaker 2: Well, and here's the utter thing. So we both kind

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Speaker 1: But even when those guys, there was a moment when

426
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Speaker 1: when Greenlaw got tossed and Fred's shoe came off. Then

427
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Speaker 1: I just have two other backups who are solid. I mean,

428
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 1: the Eagles linebackers are Kyle Shanahan was. This is why

429
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 1: Deebo and those guys were talking so much shit all week.

430
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 1: They don't think that all those guys have a chance

431
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 1: to handle their speed, their physicality.

432
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:31,160
Speaker 2: And they don't.

433
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Speaker 1: And once they took a deep breath and just kind

434
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: of handled the crowd and just kind of the wetness

435
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: and just everything that the link brings, it was a route.

436
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 1: They just ran circles around them. And that's for sure.

437
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 1: Now their d linemen, if they play at an elite level,

438
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 1: can just cause so much havoc, and their offense has

439
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 1: to be awesome. That's Goddard's got to come back. You know.

440
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,160
Speaker 1: Aj Brown had some big time moments to Vonte. Their

441
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 1: offense is really special, and that's why they've won a

442
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 1: lot of these games, right because it's essentially been shootouts

443
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 1: in the second half. Harder to have shootouts with the

444
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: forty nine ers. I think because their defense, they're just

445
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 1: not really going to play in a thirty eight to

446
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 1: thirty five type game.

447
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, the best one possession win teams over the last

448
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 2: several years have been Philadelphia. It caught up with them today.

449
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 2: Minnesota last year caught up with them. There was a

450
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 2: Cowboy team and a Seahawk team over the last three

451
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 2: or four years. Yeah, and it caught up with them.

452
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 2: You just can't you eventually, you can't get out gained

453
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 2: like Philly had four straight games. It just doesn't work

454
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 2: that way. And so I kind of look at the

455
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 2: Philadelphia and I like so, I mean, I think they'll

456
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 2: play very well. In a weird way, they were best

457
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 2: served to get their butt kicked because they'll come against Dallas.

458
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Speaker 1: They'll play a great game.

459
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 2: They'll play a great game. But I do think there

460
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 2: is a fundamental problem that they can only overcome with

461
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 2: ball control offensively, which is their back They're back four back,

462
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 2: seven linebackers are week. Corners aren't great. They have one

463
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 2: good safety. The only way to overcome that is with

464
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 2: ball control, and that's it. And now they have the

465
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 2: components to do that.

466
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Speaker 1: I think they also got to be really careful and

467
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: in fairness, they're players, I mean slays on the volume,

468
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: high level guy, Jalen, super high level guy. Their coach

469
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 1: can be really really yappy, right and not in a

470
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: Bill Parcells like check the pelts on my wall yappy.

471
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 1: It's like kind of annoying, and there's a level of

472
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 1: you know, listen, Kyle Shannon's gonna scream at the rest,

473
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: but he's not gonna give the other team. He's an

474
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Speaker 1: old school kind of Andy Reid his dad, like it's

475
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 1: not about he doesn't want to get involved in the thing.

476
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 1: And I do think their coaching staff. You got Siriani

477
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: screaming at people pregame. He just listen. That works against

478
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 1: the majority of opponents. It's not gonna work against the Chiefs.

479
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: Maybe it works a little bit againstd Allas, but it's

480
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 1: not gonna work against the forty nine ers. It's more

481
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: just x's and no's. We're gonna hit you in the

482
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,719
Speaker 1: mouth and we're gonna be relentless. So all that stuff,

483
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 1: you know, that kind of typically feeds into Philly, like

484
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: they loved when Dom got tossed, and they feed off

485
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: that stuff. The Niners are they have proven that this

486
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: core of guys have won so many games on the road,

487
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 1: went in to Green Bay and one went into Dallas

488
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: and one like that. They're not gonna be intimidated by

489
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: difficult circuit. They easily could have won a couple of

490
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 1: years ago against the Rams, right, you know, when Tart

491
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 1: dropped the ball. So they go into these environments a

492
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: lot like some great like NBA players like the Curry

493
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 1: group over the years, Like, they're not intimidated. They might

494
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: need a couple series to kind of gather themselves, but

495
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: they're gonna be okay. So the Eagles, it's gonna be

496
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: a scheme game versus them. Can you out scheme them?

497
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: Because all the other shit, like the Niners aren't gonna

498
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: be phased by that crap? Can you can you outthink them?

499
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: Can you out call like Andy Reid? Can you out

500
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: call plays against whatever their their looks are offensively or defensively?

501
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,479
Speaker 1: And you saw today it wasn't really a fair fight. Now, I,

502
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: like you said, I'm gonna give them the benefit of doubt,

503
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: little Gas. I think if you told me there was

504
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: a rematch, I would expect a much better Philly evers.

505
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: But I do think big picture, do they have like

506
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: their head coach. He's not calling the plays on either side.

507
00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 1: He's just kind of screaming on the sideline, like the

508
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: forty nine ers guy is their play call, Like it's

509
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 1: him versus you? You know, so, I yeah, that's a

510
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: disadvantage for the Eagles.

511
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 2: You know, here's the utter thing is I I'm trying

512
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 2: to think of a roster who fund his injury. Although painful,

513
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 2: they can protect it with a good pass rush. I

514
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 2: don't think there's been a roster's going to San Francisco

515
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 2: since the Seahawks roster that won a Super Bowl but

516
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 2: went to two straight that that roster just didn't make.

517
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 2: That was such a good roster you're not really allowed

518
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 2: to do that anymore. Again, Russell was on a rookie deal, aminit.

519
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 2: He wasn't the roster wasn't good. Part. He's on a

520
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 2: rookie deal. But I'm trying to think of a roster.

521
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 2: I mean, that's I remember that Seattle team was so

522
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 2: good that they went and just rented Percy Harvin almost

523
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 2: never used him as a toy. And then they went

524
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 2: and got Cliff Averel said yeah, we'll bring another pass rusher,

525
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 2: and you're like, yeah, that's a luxury of a rookie contract.

526
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,719
Speaker 2: You can't do that with a veteran quarterback. But I

527
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 2: think this roster, you know, I find myself rooting for

528
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 2: San Francisco to win because it would be such a

529
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 2: shame if this roster didn't at least one like that

530
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 2: Seattle roster. John it was too damn good not to

531
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 2: win a Super Bowl. It was just too good. That

532
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 2: was just fundamentally too good. The Ravens roster with Dilferd

533
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 2: there's like seven Hall of famers. I grew up with

534
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 2: the Steelers in the seventies. There were a couple of

535
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 2: Raider teams. You're like, Yeah, the Cowboys Jimmy Johnson roster,

536
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 2: they need to win a Super Bowl. There's too many

537
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 2: good players. I kind of feel like the best roster

538
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 2: in the league is San Francisco. I'm thinking about second. Wow.

539
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 2: You know, with the emergence of Bland for the Cowboys

540
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 2: at corner and ferguson the tight end, is Dallas the

541
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 2: second best roster?

542
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think they have a chance to

543
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: prove it this upcoming week because they went toe to

544
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: toe with them and they should have won that game.

545
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: I think Philly's right there, fully healthy, but they're just

546
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: missing a ton of guys, and they got some guys

547
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: that aren't coming back. And the Niners the moment they

548
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,959
Speaker 1: lost a couple guys, they weren't the same. So this

549
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: this sport. The Margins are so I mean, you saw

550
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: Jalen all of a sudden get cracked. I started thinking,

551
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: because the game was already over, well what about next week?

552
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: What if you can't clear that? That'd be a devastating

553
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: They're not going into Dallas to win with Mariota, So yeah, right,

554
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: the problem with Dallas is even if they win this

555
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: upcoming game at home, like, how are you gonna pick

556
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: them in a big playoff game? I've seen him lose

557
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: at home to the forty nine ers couple years ago. Now,

558
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: you would say that they're much the cohesion with Mike

559
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: and Dak and Dan Quinn and the group. They've been

560
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: together longer, but there's just there's an element where and

561
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: I picked them this year to start the season to

562
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: win the division, and clearly they're damn good, right, I

563
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: mean there is to me. Detroit is on the lower

564
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: tier beside these three teams, right, you know, the the Niners,

565
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: the Eagles, the Cowboys, and then I would put Detroit

566
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: on another tier kind of by themselves. But it's just,

567
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: you know, Dak is having a fantastic year, but do

568
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: you truly trust him? I mean, even that Eagles game,

569
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: stepping out abound just little things. I mean, these are

570
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: the little details of yeah, you'd be the number one seed,

571
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: or you gotta now win this game and then take

572
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: care of business the rest of the year. They were

573
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: the team this year that lost a game, like, how

574
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: do you lose Arizona? How do you lose Arizona? It's

575
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: a Cowboy home game in Glendale, it's eighty twenty your fans,

576
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: so I've all like, I like their roster, love their

577
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: coaching staff, especially on defense. You gotta give Mike credit,

578
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: he's doing a great job. But I just have a

579
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: hard time. And this is like you said, with the Niners.

580
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: Their players have not won a championship level, but they

581
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: have championship character deep in them. I've seen them in

582
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: the big moments, from Debo to Kittle to Trent to

583
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: Fred to Nick to Eric Armstead, like they're wired, like

584
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: they might lose, but it's gonna because you beat them,

585
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: not because they screw up. Or they're not good enough.

586
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: And I don't know about Dallas. They have the talent,

587
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: you know, and they I think the Bland guy's an

588
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: incredible story. Didn't go to the combine now setting records

589
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: to pick sixes and just they do for everyone that

590
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: talks about Jerry, right, he's just he's a little bit

591
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: of a wild card. How good are they as a

592
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: personnel team? You know, we anoint John Lynch and Howie like,

593
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: Jerry's every bit there equal And I know he's not

594
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,479
Speaker 1: picking all like evaluating the fifth rounders, but he's technically

595
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: their GM. So he's empowering people that they build a

596
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: team that goes toe to toe with these two teams.

597
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: I know they lost to the forty nine ers big

598
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: in the regular season, but they easily could have beat

599
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: him in the playoffs last year. So yeah, I'm not

600
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: gonna I think Dallas could easily win this week. Hell,

601
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: I might pick him by the end of the week,

602
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: but I'm still not gonna feel confident because Colin, here's

603
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. If let's say they don't win the division,

604
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: They're gonna destroy the Falcons or the Bucks or whoever

605
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: the hell wins that worthless division, and we're gonna be like, oh, Dallas.

606
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: You know Daktus threw four touchdowns and it happened last

607
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: year and then they were gone the next round. Now,

608
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean you can't do it. Get over the hump.

609
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: I just have a hard time believing until they do.

610
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna pick them to do it until they

611
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: do it, and I'll just be wrong.

612
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 2: I wrote a list today, so we'll pivot to this,

613
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: and I don't know how much time we should give it.

614
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 2: But you know, McVeigh and Shanahan still have to be

615
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: considered young coaches, but we have. So let's let's say

616
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 2: the young coaches that we don't buy. Dennis Allen of

617
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 2: the Saints, Brandon Staley the Chargers, I think are both

618
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 2: gonna lose their job. I'm undecided on Robert Sala and

619
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 2: Arthur Smith. We've got a lot of good young coaches

620
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 2: in this league. Shane Steichen has Indy battling for a

621
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: playoff that is insane in the incredible Demiko Ryan at Houston.

622
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 2: I watched that game today, so so I mean they

623
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 2: they just you have to earn every yard against them,

624
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: every fricking yard. Sirianni McVay, Shanahan. I think Stefanski Joe

625
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 2: Flacco was actually good today. That's insane. Kevin O'Connell Minnesota,

626
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel Miami, Matt Lafleur is more than solid. Green Bay.

627
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 2: Jordan Love has shown absolute growth. And Zach Taylor when

628
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: when Joe burrows upright wins a lot of games. We

629
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 2: have got some really good coaches, and I was thinking

630
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: about this. So I watched a lot of games today.

631
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 2: I want to talk Rams Browns. So the Rams won

632
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: this game. This was viewed as a five to six

633
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: win team. The offensive line, You've had left tackles playing

634
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: right guard. They've had major injuries. They lost Kyraen Williams,

635
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: their excellent running back for four to five weeks. Cooper

636
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 2: Cup's never healthy. Puka Deakua got hurt in the game.

637
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 2: He's a rookie. This defense is Aaron Donald and kids

638
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 2: between Raheem Morris, a defensive coordinator, and Sean McVay. Of

639
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: all these young coaches, Demiko Ryans to me, is the

640
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 2: star defensively. I think this is mcveagh's best year. John.

641
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 2: I watched Stafford today and I'm like, they got this kid,

642
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 2: DeMarcus Robinson, this bounce around the league. Guy made big

643
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: plays today. Part of great coaching, and you know this

644
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 2: is a former scout, is being able to take marginal

645
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: players and make them productive, right like Brady helped do

646
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 2: that in New England. For years, Belichick did that. He

647
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 2: would take marginal linebackers and they would become fairly forceful.

648
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: The Rams are vine for a playoff team. With Seattle sinking,

649
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 2: we have a real chance for the Rams to make

650
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: the playoffs. I mean, I think it's a McVay story.

651
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: I don't think they're vying Colin. I mean, look at

652
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: the way it's all breaking. I think they're gonna make it.

653
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: They're six and six. Look at their schedule. I see

654
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: some giants on there. I see some Cardinals. They got

655
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: the Ravens coming up. But other than that, and who knows,

656
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 1: Niners Week seventeen might not matter. I think I might

657
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: have been one of the reasons. I remember you in

658
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: the offseason loved the Rams, and I thought you were nuts.

659
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: Like the Rams. They're gonna be in the Caleb Williams sweepstakes.

660
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: Like you said, part of coaching is getting average guys

661
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: to overachieve. His team is all average guys. It's not

662
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: like he only has a couple guys. You remove Aaron

663
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: Donald and Matt Stafford, it's a bunch of people no

664
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: one had heard of coming into the season. I mean

665
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: to be six and six. Like you watch Pete Carroll

666
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: their six and six. They have high end players. Think

667
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: how many guys the Niners, the Eagles, the Cowboys would

668
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: love Dk Witherspoon. The tackle has been banged up, but

669
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: they would take those guys. The Seattle has impact, elite,

670
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: blue chip, premium guys, Jackson Smith. You watch this Rams

671
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: team like who are these guys? What is he doing?

672
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: And I think one theory I've had for a long time,

673
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: and I think that a lot of the young Belichick

674
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: guys have consistently failed. And the number one thing you

675
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: always hear is like they're just just assholes relentlessly. And

676
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: I think you could do that. You know, society seventies, eighties,

677
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: nineties football individuals could handle it much more. I think

678
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: you've seen a major shift college as well. Like you

679
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,479
Speaker 1: talk to people around Saban, He's lightened up a lot.

680
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: You have to change with the people and what are

681
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: a lot of these young coaches have Well, they can

682
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: kind of. They're not that much older than the guys,

683
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: right if your early forties, Well you're talking to a

684
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: guy that's thirty, right, And I think a lot of

685
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: these Patriot guys, you know, because they've learned from Bill. Well,

686
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: Tom's as old as a lot of these guys, so

687
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: he could kind of handle it. Well, you're dealing now

688
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: with a twenty five year old Puka Nakua. Eat them

689
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 1: a little differently than the guy you would have treated

690
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety three that played for Bill Parcells or

691
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson, Right, because you hear some of these stories

692
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: you talk to these guys, it wasn't always pleasant, and

693
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: it's football. You still get yelled at and held to

694
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: a high standard, and there's discipline when you walk in

695
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: the building. But I think if you watch a lot

696
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: of these guys conduct themselves like Sirianni acts like an

697
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 1: idiot sometimes like to the other team, but he treats

698
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 1: his players very well. You know, he's a very I

699
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: would say optimism. I would say historically football coaches are

700
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 1: just naturally pretty pessimistic and be kind of dark and angry,

701
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: just the nature of the job. I think that's changed

702
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: a lot with some of these younger guys that tend

703
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: to be more uplifters and be more optimistic and just

704
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 1: to be fun loving is probably the wrong way to

705
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: put it, but they're just an are you kind of

706
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: want to be around these guys?

707
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 2: Well? And I think you're really hit on it. I've

708
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 2: talked to a couple of people. Logan Ryan, the NFL player,

709
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 2: talked about this is that Eric Mangini is one of

710
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 2: the few Belichick guys that everybody loved being around. A

711
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 2: lot of his guys, Patricia Joe, Judge, Bill O'Brien, they're

712
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 2: tough guys, Charlie Weiss, they're hard on people.

713
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: Flores younger guy, but he's angry, you know, he's.

714
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I think mcveigh's got Raheem Morris, Kevin O'Connell.

715
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 2: There's a spirit like how lucky are we.

716
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: Look at Dimika and there's I mean, when you just

717
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: want to hang out Dimiko, there's there's a there's an

718
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: aura around him. He just he just like glows. He's

719
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: been like that. I was around him as a player.

720
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: He was like a team captain as a rookie. Like

721
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: some guys just haven't you know. And I think he's

722
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: a great example.

723
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 2: Let's talk about that. Let's pivot to the Houston win

724
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: over Denver. So you know, Demico ryans my takeaway. You know,

725
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 2: it's funny. There's the old stat that I the old

726
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 2: You hear this all the time by analytic Maven's. They

727
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: say winning is not a quarterback stat which is nonsense

728
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,720
Speaker 2: because if you put Davis Mills starting for Houston instead

729
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 2: of C. J. Stroud, the entire roster stays the same.

730
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 2: They're a two win team. Stroud made to throw today

731
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 2: under duress that he's just innately accurate. There was no

732
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: He's running across his body and he flips something up

733
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 2: and I'm like people that will never show up in

734
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 2: the box card. People have no idea how hard it

735
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 2: is to be in a full sprint left guys on

736
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: you throw it to a receiver moving right to left.

737
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 2: And but Demiko's demeanor on the sideline, there's no barking.

738
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 2: He is genuinely happy when Texan players. He's not mad

739
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: when they fail. You know, my wife always says you're

740
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 2: right or you're learning, like get out or wrong. For sure,

741
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 2: you're figuring it out. So you know Demko when I

742
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 2: watch Houston today because I think I think Denver's a

743
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 2: pretty decent team. Now that win is more significant than

744
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 2: people think. Denver was was basically bailing water all day

745
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 2: to stay close.

746
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: I actually think him and Robert Sola are very similar guys.

747
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: One just has a quarterback and the other does not.

748
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: I mean that helps a lot. I mean Denver, the

749
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 1: team that has played lately is not the team that

750
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: gave up seventy points. I mean that defense was pepperingham Listen,

751
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: it got weird there for a couple of years. It

752
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 1: was really ugly with the Deshaun situation. But I wrote

753
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: down today they have a star rocket ship coach. They

754
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: have a quarterback that just I don't know statistically, when

755
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,919
Speaker 1: it's all said and done, well, where he's gonna rank

756
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: relative to all the rookies ever in the history of

757
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: the league. It's gonna be up there. But the eye test,

758
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: he is clearly one of the most special rookie quarterbacks

759
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: we've seen.

760
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 2: No question.

761
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: Will Anderson a little like Aiden Hutchinson. People question like

762
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: how high was the ceiling? Could he be Miles Garrett

763
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: Nick pose, I don't know, but Will Anderson is the

764
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: type human one you build around, and clearly he's pretty

765
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: damn good. You don't go to be a team captain

766
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: in Alabama for a couple of years without being a badass.

767
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: So they have a coach, they have a quarterback, they

768
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: have a pass rusher. Remember a couple of years ago

769
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 1: when they took the kid from LSU Stingley over Sauce Gardner,

770
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: and everyone's like, oh, they just how are they doing this?

771
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 1: Sauce Camp. Miss Stingley sure looks better to me than

772
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: Sas Gardner. Sace won't tackle me or you. Stingley looks much.

773
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 1: He's more of a fluid, elite athlete, like a Revus type.

774
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: He looks fantastic. So they have a star corner. They

775
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: have a really good left tackle. The rookie wide receiver

776
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: look like he had a bad injury, got carted off.

777
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 1: But that kid's a stud of tank. This team today,

778
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: that was listen. They've had some impressive wins, but the

779
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: way it was going, Jimmy Ward's a good example. Demiko

780
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: around Jimmy. You know, he no longer was a starter

781
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: in San Francisco, but he was a team captain level

782
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: just winning player, high level guy. When the Niners drafted

783
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: Trey Lance. They put his locker next to Jimmy Ward

784
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: because they wanted him to follow him the way he acted,

785
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: the way he operated. Well, what did Demiko do? That's

786
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: who he brought and who made the game winning play,

787
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: but who obviously I would imagine Stingley's growth. He's around

788
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: that guy every day. So you get some young building

789
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: blocks who are clearly high character, good guys. You have

790
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: a coach that everyone's loves for fifteen years as a player,

791
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 1: let alone as a coach. I mean that guy, his

792
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 1: rise as a coach. Him and Vrabel are just like

793
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: rocket ships. Like they went from position coaches the head

794
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: coaches before you could even blink, and then within a

795
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: couple of years you're like, God, this guy probably should

796
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: have been a head coach faster. You know, maybe this

797
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: guy didn't need to wait. So if I'm a Texan fan,

798
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: whether you win a playoff game, whether you ultimately get

799
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: in or not, this year, it's oh, the future feels

800
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: as bright as humanly possible, right because no state income tax.

801
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: Here's a problem with the Cowboys, right, Their salary cap

802
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 1: is always taken because Jerry's taking. If they ever had

803
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: salary cap space, everyone would want to go there. The

804
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: Texans aren't going to because they got all these guys

805
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: on rookie contracts. Houston's the city that players are gonna like.

806
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: I mean, they are gonna have the opportunity. They have

807
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: still have a draft pick coming from the Browns, who

808
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: are now have major issues because their quarterback. Right. So

809
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: it's this Texans team to me, is a team, maybe

810
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: not this year. I don't know if they're gonna win

811
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: a playoff game, not saying it's not possible depending on

812
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: the matchup, but if you like, play the Ravens in

813
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: the first round right in the next couple of years,

814
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: if CJ just just stays around this level, I mean,

815
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: are we talking about like a Super Bowl contender.

816
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 2: Well, and it was funny because during the off season,

817
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 2: you know, and when you're doing June July sports talk

818
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 2: radio talk Junejul August, you know, and you know, after

819
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: the NFL you got little draft stuff, but you're and

820
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 2: I remember two or three times I kept coming back

821
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 2: to it and it may have felt like filler and

822
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 2: McIntyre was giving me crap, and I kept saying, is

823
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 2: anybody watching what Houston's doing? They're getting all these B players.

824
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 2: It's very parcels. You know Bill's thing. He would go

825
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 2: to Miami. Remember he was the GM. They went from

826
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 2: one win to eleven wins in one year, and he

827
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 2: filled up the bottom third of the roster, like your

828
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 2: second back, you're blocking tight end your center. And if

829
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 2: you go back and you googled the Texans offseason moves,

830
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: they were like Dalton Schultz got no publicity and you're like,

831
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 2: comes from a winning culture, right, Like he's gonna feel

832
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 2: a little abandoned by the Cowboys, so he's gonna be

833
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 2: a little pissy with a chip on his shoulder with Houston,

834
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 2: like you're getting rid of me, look at my production.

835
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 2: And so he comes to Houston with something to prove.

836
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 2: And they did this very slowly. And then you hit

837
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 2: on will Anderson and Stroud and your coach and by

838
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 2: the way, John, like any well run business, it gets

839
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 2: better over time. They're a much better team today than

840
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 2: eight weeks ago. Sure I watched that game today and

841
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 2: my takeaway was CJ's better than Russ, no question. And

842
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 2: Demiko has more confidence in CJ. Stroud than Peyton has

843
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 2: in Russell Wilson. That was my takeaway watching.

844
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 1: Russell had some moments I thought today where it looked

845
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: a little throwback twenty twenty two. You know, he had

846
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: been playing pretty well, but today was tough. And Demiko

847
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: is gonna know him well because when he was a

848
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: position coach and he was with Seattle like he has,

849
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: he knows Russell pretty well. And Russell's not obviously athletically

850
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: who actually's gotten closer to that guy than he was

851
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: last year because he lost some weight. I think when

852
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:48,280
Speaker 1: it comes to the Houston Texans, though forever in that division,

853
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: it was like, well Peyton Manning, you know, for twelve

854
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: years they were just gonna win it every year. Trevor

855
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: Lawrence is a really good player, But I don't know,

856
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: like if you factor in the contract and you just

857
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: pulled gms and head coaches right, because Trevor within the

858
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: year or two has to get paid, I think most

859
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: people would take DJ strout. And there's an element of

860
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: Peyton that had like that just will that refuse to

861
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: be denied, and there was an intensity that he's just

862
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: an all time football guy. You watch Trevor's like, is

863
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: he an all time football guy? He doesn't really feel

864
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: Brady Hell, he doesn't feel like Jalen Hurts and pretty right,

865
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: just love. He's really talented, honestly feels a little more

866
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: NBA ish. God gave him a lot of gifts. You know,

867
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: he's tall, he's got a good arm, he's accurate, he

868
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: can move. But it's like, is football his everything? Like

869
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: I watched CJ. I just watched the Texans play. They

870
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: play like all the guys on the team, starting with

871
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: their head coach. It is so if you were just

872
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: betting on a franchise, the division's Tennessee's got a lot

873
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 1: of issues, right, I mean a ton the Colts. I

874
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: don't even know how they're doing this. I mean it's

875
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: it's pretty crazy because I bet if you texted Chris

876
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: Bower right now, he's like, no one saw this coming.

877
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: And I would say, if I'm the Texans, We'll see

878
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: how Anthony Richardson, Like he's gonna have to prove he

879
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: can stay on the field. You feel pretty good about

880
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: your chances to like run the division for some years

881
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,280
Speaker 1: coming up, because, let's face it, one of the Jags

882
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: big moves. A couple of years ago they had the

883
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 1: number one pick. Well, Bulky tried to hit a home

884
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: run with the d lineman. If he had taken Aiden Hutchinson,

885
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: I think we might look at the Jags a little different, right,

886
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: They just be a little more complete. They're just not

887
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: as good on defense, a little dependent on Trevor, and

888
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: Trevor can get rattled fast. I would say CJ's best

889
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: characteristic pretty hard to rattle the guy. I mean it

890
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: really is. I mean, unfaced, he's got that special quality

891
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: of just Jalen Hurts has it today. Kacushion comes back,

892
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: He's like this guy just flatliner, purty, kind of has it.

893
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: It's a characteristic you kind of have to have, and

894
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 1: he has it in spades.

895
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 2: Okay, let's shift to college football. We have the playoff

896
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 2: Michigan Washington, Texas, Bama. So Michigan is a two and

897
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:49,399
Speaker 2: a half point favorite against Alabama. I would probably take

898
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 2: Michigan to win by a field goal. I think the

899
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 2: number is right. I think it's very very competitive. I

900
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 2: think Bama will have the inferior quarterback. I think this

901
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 2: is the rare instance where Bama has the second most talent.

902
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,919
Speaker 2: I think Michigan's got an older football team with three

903
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 2: or four guys that could have gone to the NFL

904
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 2: came back. I think Michigan's got a complete chip on

905
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 2: their shoulder. Now, Saban's been better in bowl games than Harbaugh,

906
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 2: but Saban's lost a lot of bowl games too, So

907
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 2: let's not kid ourselves. He's not Barry Alvarezer urban Meyer

908
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: in a bowl game or Pete Carroll. He's not. I

909
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 2: think I would take Michigan over Bama, but I think

910
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 2: the numbers right, it's a three point game. What say you?

911
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 1: Well, I think Harbaugh went to sleep last night and

912
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: woke up praying for Florida State, right, should just see

913
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: the reaction he I mean, what would they have been

914
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: a seventeen point favorite? He was praying and their team.

915
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: These guys aren't dummies. So to get Sabin that there's

916
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 1: an elephant in the room with Jim Harbaugh. He's lost

917
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: a lot of big games, right, Like you said, Nicks

918
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:48,959
Speaker 1: lost some playoff games, but he's also won a few.

919
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: And he's eleven and one in the SEC Championship game

920
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: like he's he owns Kirby, who had just won back

921
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 1: to back national championships. That draw Saban as the underdog.

922
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: What did he just have? Like? That's why I loved

923
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 1: Alabama against Georgia. It's not like this Georgia team was

924
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: the last two years. And Saban gets to play the

925
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: underdog card. And it's not like he's playing some coach

926
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: with three national championships on the wall. He's got playing

927
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: this guy that's never won a championship. And listen, Michigan's

928
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 1: really good. I mean their guard shattered his leg. Who's

929
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: an NFL player, But if you're gonna lose a position,

930
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 1: even if he's a team captain, you'd rather lose at

931
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: guard than like a quarterback or the running back. The

932
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 1: way they play, I just see. I mean, listen, Alabama's quarterback.

933
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: You gotta give it, he's improved dramatically. Oh yeah, you know,

934
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 1: his ability to make play just on the move. Obviously

935
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,720
Speaker 1: he's got a huge arm throwing it down the field.

936
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: Dama's defense is pretty good, you know. And let's face it,

937
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: Ohio States defense is pretty good. And it was hard

938
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: for Michigan. So then you factor in Saban's better than

939
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: Ryan Day, it's just gonna be difficult. I'm with you.

940
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: I would tend I didn't just like take like these

941
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: two underdogs. Now it does feel like Harbaugh and I'm

942
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: a huge harball guy. Been following him so closely. Honestly,

943
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: I went to a game with my dad back in

944
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: like six or o five when they played UC Davis

945
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: and he was the head coach at San Diego. My

946
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: dad's like Jim Harbaugh former quarterback team hasn't lost Josh Johnson.

947
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: I mean, Jim Harbaugh dominates wherever he got, but he's

948
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: never won it all. And it feels inevitable, right like

949
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: with Andy Reid forever, it's like inevitably he's gonna It

950
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: does kind of feel like is this this year? But Bama,

951
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: given that he could have got Florida stage, he's on

952
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: like their fourth quarterback. That's a pretty big swing. Now

953
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 1: you get them, It's not like they're playing this week.

954
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: You get a month. But I do think it's gonna

955
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: be pretty difficult. I do think there could be a

956
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: moment because, let's face it, the last two years he

957
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,959
Speaker 1: got destroyed by Georgia. A couple of years now, that's

958
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 1: aged well. That they had seventy five pros last year

959
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: was a pretty devastating loss. Right to TCU that that

960
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: one did not age well. I mean that Michigan was

961
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: they had the same team like, I don't know if

962
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: they would have beat Georgia, but they definitely should have

963
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: been able to give him. You can't lose to TCU.

964
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: So I just think there's this kind of when I

965
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: was a kid, you know, Steve Young, get the monkey

966
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: off my back, I can finally win. Harbaugh kind of

967
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: has that as a coach. That's the only thing that

968
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: makes me nervous about him.

969
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 2: I would take Washington plus four and against Texas. They

970
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 2: beat him in the Alamo Bowl. I think they can

971
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 2: beat him outright now. I think Texas has the ability

972
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 2: to lean on you a little bit if Texas plays

973
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 2: with a lead. But Kaalin de boor his teams tend

974
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 2: to play well early. He's that game against Oregon. They

975
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 2: were so clever. I mean, they've played so fast. I

976
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 2: think Washington has an outright chance to win.

977
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: Here.

978
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 2: Listen, I'm from that area. I looked at their roster

979
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 2: before the season and I said, it's an eight to

980
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 2: nine win team. They're not spectacular at tight end, running back,

981
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 2: very good old line, quarterback, wide RECERI versus special. But

982
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 2: the defense has one or two NFL guys, not deep,

983
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 2: not terribly fast at linebacker, just not special but listen,

984
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 2: if quarterback, weapons, O line and coaching means anything, and

985
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 2: it's about seventy percent of the game now. And because

986
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 2: they lead, they have a good pass rush, because they

987
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 2: have an NFL edge. I think Washington has a chance

988
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 2: to win here.

989
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: I mean I think honestly they could win the whole thing.

990
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: I think their coach. I was thinking about this last night,

991
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: really over the last twenty four hours, thinking about Kaylan.

992
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: If I have an offensive coach, I wanted to be

993
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: like this ultimate combination of an intellectual right because you

994
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: have to you're calling the plays, your scheme in the offense.

995
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: But be a tough guy. It's the question we have

996
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: with Lincoln Riley, Like is his ethos tough enough. I'm

997
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: not saying like they could win a fight, Like I'm

998
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: not expecting you to be a tough like have to

999
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: be Connor McGregor here, but like, is the ethos of

1000
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: you as a football coach a tough guy? And you

1001
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: watched him go against Oregon and Ryan grubbed his offensive

1002
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: coordinator who makes two million dollars, who packed twelf's dead

1003
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: now was the highest paid coordinator in the history of

1004
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: the conference. Because Saban wanted him last year. That guy's

1005
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: a shooting star as well. It's been his right hand man.

1006
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: Those guys are tough, and they showed up to that

1007
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: Oregon game against Landing and Tosh, who are tough guys,

1008
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: right defensive coordinators, you know, SEC guys, and they shoved

1009
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: him around a little bit. Now their offense is predicated

1010
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: on the deep ball. But I watch Kaylan dou Boor

1011
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 1: and I just watch remember Tedford in his heyday at Cal.

1012
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: You're like, how's he doing this? Well, Kaylen's a Tedford guy.

1013
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: You know, Chris Peterson, Nan Smith, They're all cut from

1014
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: this mold of their offensive minds. But they want to

1015
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: play tough minded football. And I just think, listen, Sark,

1016
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: I've historically been a hater. His team's really good. That

1017
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: talent I means. I think it's the highest payroll in

1018
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: all college football, and I own money and it shows.

1019
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: But I just I'm giving k He's one hundred and

1020
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,240
Speaker 1: two and eleven as a head coach in his career.

1021
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: It's in. I know, you're a Brian Kelly guy, and

1022
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 1: rightfully so. Right from that Division two in Michigan to

1023
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: Cincinnati or Central Michigan to Cincinnati Kaylin du Bor's got

1024
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: a similar trajectory of his career. I don't care if

1025
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: it's high school. I don't care if it's Anaia, I

1026
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: don't care if it's Present State or Washington. He's winning,

1027
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: and he's winning big and any I don't care who

1028
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: he's coaching against. He's beating you. And that's I think

1029
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: the guy is. You know, if Hardball were to leave,

1030
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: if Ryan Day and a year gets fired, I mean,

1031
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: is this guy, like we talking a top two or

1032
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: three coach in the country.

1033
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Washington has offered him eight and a half million dollars.

1034
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 2: He wants nine. He's gonna get nine. Yeah, no state,

1035
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 2: no state tax. Washington's got some pretty well heeled boosters.

1036
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 2: You know, think about Washington's history. Every time they get

1037
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 2: the right coach, Don James, National title, new Heizel One,

1038
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 2: Rose Bulls Peterson playoff, Kaylen de Boor playoff. Like people.

1039
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,959
Speaker 1: It's a great place, it's a great place to work.

1040
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 2: The stadium's arguably the best. Again, this is a Microsoft area.

1041
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 2: There's a lot of money in Seattle. This is a

1042
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 2: sophisticated city. So they're they're gonna he's gonna wouldn't Michigan.

1043
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 1: Wouldn't Michigan though, be very If Harball were to take

1044
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: the raider job or whatever, wouldn't they be like, wouldn't

1045
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: he be their first call? Oh?

1046
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 2: I think Kaylen de Bor is the number one coach potentially,

1047
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,399
Speaker 2: but I think Seattle's gonna lock him up. I think

1048
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 2: Washington's gonna completely lock him up. I mean, listen, if

1049
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 2: I was if I was a wealthy guy and I

1050
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 2: could give money to Kaylen Debor, I would I mean,

1051
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 2: that's how it's so special what he's done in the program,

1052
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 2: and the secret sauce to Washington is Chris Peterson's in

1053
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 2: the building. Now, not that Kayln need he's an advisor,

1054
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 2: but Chris is there to sort of synchronize any issues

1055
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 2: with a program. How good would it be if Saban

1056
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 2: someday was in the program synchronizing things from behind the scenes.

1057
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 2: So it's you know, Kaylin runs the program, but Peterson.

1058
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 2: They have a new ad. Jen Cohen did a great

1059
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 2: job there. Now they have a new ad. It's a

1060
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 2: it's a grown up university without any flat.

1061
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying, Like, he's a Tedford guy. Well,

1062
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: Tedford started Chris Peterson. You know, they're all kind of interconnected,

1063
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: they're all very similar, and they're all elite at what

1064
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 1: they do. So it's sometimes remember when like Spurrier would

1065
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 1: be around or to be a guy and it would

1066
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: make people uncomfortable. Well, if you actually have a lot

1067
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: of similarities and you respect the guy, it works really well.

1068
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: And that's where to me, the the synchronization with the

1069
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: coaching staff. That win on Friday is one of the

1070
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: most impressive college football wins. And I mean that Oregon

1071
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: team was completely rolling. Washington been out of sink and

1072
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: Washington showed up to kick their ass and grub and

1073
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: du boor against Dan Lanning, who's the apple of everybody's eye.

1074
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 1: He shoved him around a little bit. And listen, I

1075
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: think Dan Lanning's awesome. That program's going nowhere. Those two

1076
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: teams the Big Ten get ready because you goteat Ohio

1077
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: State and Michigan two point zero coming in ready to

1078
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: roll and recruiting, especially Oregon. That's the thing, Like it's

1079
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: gonna be easier right for Oregon to kind of sustain

1080
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: it because those guys recruit so well.

1081
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 2: All right, Finally, I don't want to give it too

1082
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 2: much time. They're throwing a tantrum in Tallahassee. But to me,

1083
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 2: it's a threefold problem for Fuller State. They're on a

1084
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 2: backup to a backup quarterback. You have to consider that

1085
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,240
Speaker 2: this is a beauty pageant college football always has been. Secondly,

1086
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 2: the conference is weak. Louisville's an awful team. Awful how

1087
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 2: Louisville's a sixth place team in any other company.

1088
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 1: He just lost to Kentucky the previous week and.

1089
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 2: They got crushed by Pittsburgh. So and the other thing is,

1090
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 2: you had an opportunity. I turn that game in to

1091
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 2: see you play. If you'd won forty two to three,

1092
00:54:58,960 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 2: you'd be in.

1093
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, you blew it.

1094
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 2: You can blame, you can throw a tizzy, you can

1095
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 2: throw a tantrum. Everybody watched that game against weak Louisville

1096
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 2: to see how you'd perform. By the way, Michigan was

1097
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 2: already going to be in and they didn't play particularly well,

1098
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 2: but they thumped Dialwa. That was never competitive. So in

1099
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 2: the end, it's backup quarterback counts. Of course it does. Listen,

1100
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 2: we've only got four spots in five conferences. They could

1101
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 2: all go undefeated. We've always known it's a beauty pageant.

1102
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,919
Speaker 2: You're the ugliest team left. Sorry, Bama looked good.

1103
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think fair is the most overrated

1104
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: word in America, and deserved ain't far behind it. I mean,

1105
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 1: welcome to the real world. They're fourteen point underdog against Georgia.

1106
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 1: You know. The other reality is if Georgia had beat Alabama,

1107
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: they still wouldn't have been in Texas is three tech.

1108
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: They would have put a one win Texas team, and

1109
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: rightfully so, they would have been a fifteen to twenty

1110
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: point underdog against all these teams. This is a television show,

1111
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: and listen, it'd be one thing if they had done

1112
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: it the right way and they had one weird but

1113
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 1: their starting quarterback, I would understand the argument, and I

1114
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: think they probably would have got in with Jordan Travis.

1115
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: Here's the thing with Jordan Travis. It's not like they

1116
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: lost CJ. Shroud or Trevor Lawrence. I mean, he's a

1117
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 1: fringe draftable player. So they were, as I texted a

1118
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: scouting director who went to some of their games, like

1119
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 1: they were barely beating guys when they had him. They

1120
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: barely beat an eight and four Clemson team like they

1121
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 1: were holding on. Now they have NFL talent, the wide

1122
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: receiver's top twenty guy at the defensive end. But I

1123
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: have no problem. This is who wanted to watch beside

1124
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 1: Harbaugh in Michigan, nobody wanted. It wouldn't have been a

1125
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: fair fight. They would have got killed. I saw herb free.

1126
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 1: All these games historically have been blowouts. Finally, we have

1127
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: two games that are you know, ones a two and

1128
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: a half point spread, the others four and a half,

1129
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: and they all feel is this the first time that

1130
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: you can remember that legitimately all four teams can win

1131
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 1: the national championship? Absolutely now that never happens. So in

1132
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: Florida State would not only have no chance to win

1133
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 1: the national championship, I don't think they'd have any chance

1134
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: to keep it within like twenty in the first half.

1135
00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: The quarterback yesterday got you know, give the kid credit.

1136
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: It's a true freshman. What are we doing? The backup

1137
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: was like a fourth year or fifth year senior. The

1138
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: dude that got knocked out in the previous week was horrendous.

1139
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 1: We can't talk about NonStop. The sport is all about quarterbacks,

1140
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: all about quarterbacks, all about quarterbacks. And then you lose

1141
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: the quarterback, and then you lose another quarterback like, oh

1142
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: well the resume, Well none of those guys had anything

1143
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: to do with your big wins. It sucks. I mean

1144
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: I get it. For the players, it would be shitty.

1145
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: Here's the other thing, get out of the ACC. Haven't

1146
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: they wanted to do that for years? I think what's

1147
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: gotta happen is cause it's gonna get ugly next year

1148
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: when the Big ten and the SEC get nine of

1149
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 1: the twelve. So the bitch and a mona is not

1150
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: gonna stop. Why don't we all just come under like

1151
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,919
Speaker 1: the AFC and NFC, which is inevitably what's gonna happen.

1152
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: I know the television contract in the ACC is a

1153
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: little weird, but like next year, like how many teams

1154
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: are the Big twelve gonna deserve? Right? Maybe one? So

1155
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: this is the equality of college sports. It's never been

1156
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: that way. That's what makes the NCAA tournament kind of

1157
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: unique because it's a one off. But in college football,

1158
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: the SEC at really Ohio State and Michigan in my opinion,

1159
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: pay the bills for the sports, so yeah, they get

1160
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: preferential treatment.

1161
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 2: I remember years ago I had a speech Pat Hayden

1162
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 2: at USC invited me and Tom Brady's agent, Don Yee.

1163
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 2: So Donnie and I went and it was the La

1164
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 2: Convention Center, I believe, and there were like one hundred

1165
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 2: and fifty to two hundred athletic directors and don and

1166
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 2: I were under the belief. Don's idea was privatize football.

1167
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 2: It's just separate. It pays all the bills. Privatize it,

1168
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 2: and then you have the rest of the athletic department.

1169
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: Like they wouldn't go to school, or they would just

1170
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: be like base, Well, you.

1171
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 2: Could go to school, but it wouldn't be under the

1172
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 2: auspices of the NCAA or the athletic You just privatize it, right.

1173
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 2: You go to your top five boosters, your top ten boosters,

1174
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 2: and it's a private enterprise, so it's not under Title

1175
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 2: nine or anything. The networks fund it, right yep, which

1176
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 2: is basically semi what they're doing now. And so an

1177
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 2: athletic director raised their hand. It was from some small school.

1178
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 2: What about blankety blank State eight, you know, it was

1179
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 2: some small school, And I said, and it was unpopular,

1180
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 2: I imagine to a group. I said, what about it.

1181
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 2: You don't pay any of the bills, I said, if

1182
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 2: I pay for the wedding. I make up the seating, Chuck,

1183
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 2: I'm paying for the wedding. The football pays for everything.

1184
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 2: Volleyball gets an opinion, you do, you lose money. And

1185
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 2: it's like for all these conferences and all these people

1186
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 2: getting well, Fox and ESPN they pay all the bills,

1187
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 2: March Madness. Fox and ESPN pay all the bills and football,

1188
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 2: so they're going to do the seating chart. So my

1189
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 2: takeaway is of the twelve teams in the playoff starting

1190
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 2: next year, is that you're going to have I would

1191
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 2: say four Big ten, four SEC eight of the twelve

1192
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:50,919
Speaker 2: and then you can figure out where you want them.

1193
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 2: But it's better football, Like people don't understand. I think

1194
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 2: you do. Oregon and Washington will be along with Michigan,

1195
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 2: Ohio State. That's the four best programs in that conference,

1196
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 2: with obviously the Sleeping Giant USC very viable. Penn State's

1197
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 2: also reasonable. But it'll be a sixteen. Those six teams

1198
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 2: will vie every year to get into the tournament. Two

1199
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 2: will be left out, four we'll get in, and just

1200
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 2: like the SEC, it'll be LSU, Bama, George at the

1201
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 2: top and then you'll have your Florida's you know, Oklahoma, Texas. Yeah,

1202
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 2: Texas will probably be near the top. And I'm okay

1203
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 2: with it, John, because again, they're paying all the bills,

1204
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 2: they recruit better players, they have more NFL bodies. I

1205
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 2: don't lose any sleep over this stuff.

1206
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 1: Well, in two or three years, you know, forever it's

1207
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 1: always been, the SEC has produced the most NFL players

1208
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: in every draft. What's it going to look like in

1209
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six the amount of NFL players coming from

1210
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: the SEC and the Big Ten to the other conferences.

1211
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 1: It's gonna be the pendulum is gonna swing even so much. Further,

1212
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: look at how many guys that have transferred from smaller

1213
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,959
Speaker 1: schools and have gone to the bigger conferences and played

1214
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: well changed their life. Jane Daniels a good example. No

1215
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: one watched him play, his games were irrelevant as a player,

1216
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: went to LSU a couple years when the Heisman become

1217
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: a first round pick. Cam Ward's gonna fall under that.

1218
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 1: So and listen, I feel sympathy for Oregon State and

1219
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: Washington State because they did try, like they really tried.

1220
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 1: They're just their markets and the way everything broke, they

1221
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 1: got screwed and then they're gonna go from like thirty

1222
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: five million to five million. But in the grand scheme

1223
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 1: of things, no, it's they don't really matter, like they

1224
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: matter to me because I've been watching the programs, but

1225
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: no one noticed this weekend, and no one's gonna notice

1226
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: next year or moving forward beside people close to that program. Listen,

1227
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 1: I got my football started at Fresne State. My personal theory,

1228
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: I think a lot of the not like the Mountain

1229
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 1: West and even potentially some of these teams that aren't

1230
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: able as realignment continues to grow over the next five

1231
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: to ten years into the one kind of major conference

1232
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 1: with the two separations, I think everyone's essentially gonna become

1233
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: like if you're either in that or you're like Montana

1234
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: UC Davis. That's what Fresno State and Oregon State because financially,

1235
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 1: no one's watching those games, no one's he can't keep

1236
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: up with the Joneses. I have the thought like, if

1237
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: you're an assistant coach like Ryan Grubb, the Washington guy,

1238
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: I would only take Power five jobs, and really I'd

1239
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: only take an SEC in a Big ten job. I

1240
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: would not take Fresno State or Boys. I wouldn't even

1241
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: mess with those programs. It's impossible nowadays.

1242
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:15,479
Speaker 2: Jonathan Smith leaving his alma Monitorn to coach Michigan State, Yeah,

1243
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 2: tells you the future of college Jonathan. I covered him,

1244
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 2: so I covered him, interviewed him as a super smart guy.

1245
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 1: He let see how much money they paid him, Like

1246
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 1: seven and a half eight million dollars a year. You know,

1247
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: Oregon State was going above and beyond giving him like five.

1248
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: I mean, they can't. Michigan State is a program in shambles,

1249
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 1: and they're like, how much you want? We just got

1250
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 1: a situation with a ninety million dollar coach. We're trying

1251
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 1: to figure that one out. You know, the money flowing

1252
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 1: into those two conferences, the nil some of these stories

1253
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: I've heard, I mean, the amount of money they have,

1254
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 1: it's it's it's only going to grow, right. So the

1255
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 1: programs the moment I want your player, even if you're

1256
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 1: a mid tier Power five program and I'm Georgia and

1257
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: I'm LSU and I'm Michigan Ohio State, it's it becomes

1258
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 1: baseball a little bit. The Yankees, the Dodgers, that they

1259
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 1: are at such a huge doesn't mean Tampa Bay Rays

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