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Speaker 1: And Dan and Tye welcome back to the Solid Verbal.

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Speaker 1: Boys and girls. My name is ty hilden Brandt. As

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Speaker 1: you can tell from the title of this show, it

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Speaker 1: is yet another installment of our only Homers Allowed series?

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Speaker 1: Would you let in Homer Clublet look, it has no homeers,

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Speaker 1: today we're pleased to welcome back to the show mister

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Speaker 1: Larry Williams from Tiger Illustrated dot Com. We actually had

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Speaker 1: Larry on the show way back when, like six years

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Speaker 1: ago to talk about Clemson, and it's been far too long.

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Speaker 1: When we put the call out for folks to tell

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Speaker 1: us who do you want to have on to represent

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Speaker 1: your school, Larry Williams was the overwhelming favorite for the

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Speaker 1: Clemson Tigers. So we're going to get into all things Clemson,

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Speaker 1: from Trevor Lawrence to the obvious beast that is the

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Speaker 1: Clemson defensive line, and also this state of affairs in

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Speaker 1: college football, the rise of Clemson really at the same

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Speaker 1: time as the rise of Alabama, and how it feels

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Speaker 1: this year anyway, like the two programs are destined to

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Speaker 1: meet in the National Championship. So all that and more,

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Speaker 1: Larry gave us so much insight. Appreciate everyone tuning in.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget we also have another only Homers Allowed episode,

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Speaker 1: Dan recorded with our friend Ryan Abraham to talk about

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Speaker 1: the state of affairs at Southern cal So without further ado,

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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, Larry Williams all right, I am joined

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Speaker 1: now by the foremost authority on Clemson football. He writes

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Speaker 1: for Tiger Illustrated dot com, he hosts the outstanding Clemson

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Speaker 1: Dubcast podcast, and of course he is the author of

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Speaker 1: Clemson Tough, Guts and Glory under Dabos Sweeney. Please welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the show, mister Larry Williams, Sir, how are you.

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Speaker 2: Hey man, Great to be with you, ty, enjoy your podcast.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. You know you were on the podcast like

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Speaker 1: six years ago. I went back and checked. The last

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Speaker 1: in twenty twelve.

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Speaker 2: Well, I shudder to think at some of the questions

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Speaker 2: and I shudder to think it probably some of the

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Speaker 2: answers I gave given the different state of the program

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Speaker 2: now compared to then.

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Speaker 1: Walk me through how the program has changed over the

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Speaker 2: Well, when we last talked, I'm assuming that was well

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Speaker 2: in the first year in the Brin's Nivals, and he

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Speaker 2: They I mean, they gave up forty eight points to

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Speaker 2: still known as sort of that Tommy Balden type rollercoaster

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Speaker 2: were just several months removed from seventy to thirty three.

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Speaker 1: Year ago, they made the College Football Playoff, they lose,

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Speaker 1: relatively quickly. I am fascinated by this Larry on like

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Speaker 2: on the other hand, I believe the exact opposite. I mean,

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Speaker 2: see clear evidence of it in twenty fourteen Deshaun Watson's

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Speaker 1: But here's here's where I think the difference is. Most

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Speaker 1: Bryant wasn't perfect, right, but he was by no means bad.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of teams still that'll take Kelly

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Speaker 1: sort of amazed me. Everyone just accepted it.

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Speaker 2: No, I agreed. And one key point is that the

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Speaker 2: DA was twenty and the rest of the coaches they

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Speaker 2: never considered it, Okay, it's Trevor's job now for good.

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Speaker 2: They considered the competition to be continuing before Kelly Bryant

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Speaker 2: not that good before Trevor Lawrence got hurt in that game. Okay,

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Speaker 2: it's completely conceivable that Kelly Bryant could have played well

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Speaker 2: I mean, Trevor Lawrence is just that good. I mean

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Speaker 2: I remember back in the spring where I really what

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Speaker 2: dex I'm sorry, Deshaun Watson was at the same point

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Speaker 2: no problem saying, yeah, he's right at the same level,

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Speaker 2: probably probably higher. And so the fact that the fact

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Speaker 2: on the anticipation surrounding a highly regarded freshman even if

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Speaker 2: he is all that, But the fact that they held

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Speaker 2: this kid in that high regard. I mean, and I

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Speaker 2: the best quarterback they'd ever seen. And so that's amazing,

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Speaker 2: and I think he has shown that to date. Now

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Speaker 2: he's not a finished product.

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Speaker 1: Right Well, that was gonna be my next question. How

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Speaker 1: do you grade what you've seen from Trevor Lawrence? Because

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Speaker 1: the move was ballsy by any stretch, I don't care.

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Speaker 1: It was a ballsy maneuver to bench Kelly Bryant, to

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Speaker 1: put in a kid who had zero zero experience at

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Speaker 1: had a really good half and won a championship and

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Speaker 1: played in spot duty here and there. But Trevor Lawrence

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Speaker 1: was a blank slate for him to come in first off,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's a quarterback class coming out this year,

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Speaker 1: The catch radius, right, that's right, that's right.

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Speaker 2: They also had Jordan Laggett in twenty sixteen, he made

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Speaker 2: those are just two prototype NFL receivers, those boundary receivers

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Speaker 2: but man, he's just a really really good player, and

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Speaker 2: Hunter Renfro is still out of defenses on third down.

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Speaker 2: You know it's funny. I just did a top six

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Speaker 2: Hunter Renfro plays of his career because they're going to

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Speaker 1: Also, it surprises me that more people aren't talking about

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Speaker 2: I would say he's just not getting enough carries, probably

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Speaker 2: But is he a Heisman worthy player? Absolutely? I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 2: You know, I thought coming into this the year that

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Speaker 2: I would say one that can really stress you down

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Speaker 2: can also run tempo. And as I see it, there's

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Speaker 1: So let me close out on this then, because it

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Speaker 1: to play out, Clemson is going to be the number

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Speaker 1: an excellent chance of making it through that first round,

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Speaker 1: be it against Notre Dame or anyone else, and eventually

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Speaker 1: ending up at a game where they're playing Alabama. What

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Speaker 1: Everyone's afraid of what this team has to offer, but

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Speaker 1: Clemson certainly brings a lot on the defensive side, as

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's a mismatch. I've been saying this

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Speaker 2: the last few weeks. My position has been if they

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Speaker 2: played right now with Clinton win, probably not. But by

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Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence has had that much longer to develop. Sure,

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Speaker 2: after those young receivers we talked about, I've had more

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Speaker 2: time to get more confident and comfortable. Boy, personally, you

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Speaker 2: look at the talent on both rosters. I personally think

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Speaker 2: that if these two quarterbacks stay healthy, that this could

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Speaker 1: And you know, it would be a very fitting end

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Speaker 1: those have been the best two teams all year. For

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Speaker 1: them not to play in the championship would almost be

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Speaker 1: a bit of a disservice.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and you know, I mean last year again, Albana's

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Speaker 2: think they had like two hundred and fifty six yards. Now, granted,

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Speaker 2: but it's also a way different Clemson offense than the

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Speaker 2: as far as the upside of those guys, those young dbs,

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Speaker 2: and so I think there are opportunities for Clemson if

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Speaker 2: some opportunities in the running game. And on top of that,

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Speaker 2: put that Alabama's offense in an uncomfortable situation where they're

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Speaker 2: nothing before people are in their seats, you know, like

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Speaker 2: Crimson is capable of doing that. And we saw Mississippi State. Boy,

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Speaker 2: their defense is stout and they gave Alabama some problems.

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Speaker 2: And so I just I think it. You know, my

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Speaker 2: sort of I think it's a wonderful time in college

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Speaker 2: football history because normally dynasties exist in different eras, right,

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Speaker 2: and the fact that we have I mean, I'm not

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Speaker 2: saying Clemson is on par with Alabama's dynasty, but they're

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Speaker 2: getting but they're getting there, right, They're getting there. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And so I mean, what do we do? What do

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Speaker 2: connoisseurs of college football talk about all the time. Oh man,

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Speaker 2: what if ninety five Nebraska played you know USC? Or

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Speaker 2: what thousand? What one?

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Speaker 1: Miami?

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Speaker 2: Sure right? Or the or the eighties Jimmy Johnson Miami teams.

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Speaker 2: You know, well, we have that right here. I believe

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Speaker 1: It's been a ton of fun to watch both of

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Speaker 1: those programs develop, but in particular, Clemson has Dablos Sweeney's

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Speaker 1: just done such an amazing job. Again, his name is

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Speaker 1: Larry Williams. My guess is, if you're a Clemson fan,

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Speaker 1: you'll know about Larry. But if you're not, if you

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Speaker 1: want to read more of his fine work, going out

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Speaker 1: to Tiger Illustrated dot com, or feel free to subscribe

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Speaker 1: to the Clemson Dubcast podcast or check out his book

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Speaker 1: Clemson Tough, Guts and Glory Under Dabo Sweeney. Larry, give

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Speaker 1: me one final prediction. Doesn't have to be too hot

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Speaker 1: of a take if you're not comfortable with that, but

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Speaker 1: give me one final prediction here before I let you go.

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Speaker 2: Oh Man, they might score eighty against South Carolina. I

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Speaker 2: am not joking, okay, Hi, I've been around this rivalry

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Speaker 2: since I was a kid. I have never, never, until

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Speaker 2: this year, seen the entire game Cock fanbase. I'm talking

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Speaker 2: ninety nine point nine per even the most eternal optimists,

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Speaker 2: they are unanimous almost in saying they ain't got a chance,

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Speaker 2: and it's crazy. It's uh boy. That offense, it just

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Speaker 2: got shredded by Florida and they gotta they gotta go

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Speaker 2: to Death Valley and face this, this machine of a

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Speaker 2: Clemson offense. It could get ugly. Actually no, I don't

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Speaker 2: know if they'll score score eighty, but my prediction will

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Speaker 2: be it's gonna get ugly.

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Speaker 1: All right. Well, there you have it again, Larry Williams,

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Speaker 1: Tiger Illustrated dot Com. Thanks for giving us so much

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Speaker 1: of your time and insight. I really appreciate it anytime.

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Speaker 2: Thanks TI