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Speaker 2: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 4: Three more to go, Wow, three more.

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Speaker 5: We're looking ahead now. I'm still holding out hope. I said.

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Speaker 5: The Patriots ceiling is six this year, and my god

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Speaker 5: it is.

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Speaker 4: You guys were there? Like did it look as bad

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Speaker 4: as like it felt on TV? Like the worst?

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Speaker 5: Alexander and Brazil writes in.

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Speaker 6: Tucy's got a point?

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Speaker 5: Oh go ahead, I don't know, No, I'm sharing on

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Speaker 5: what I was just two.

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Speaker 7: What if they just said we're just gonna drop your

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Speaker 7: the pants a little tighter. Maybe that if you're not pushing.

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Speaker 5: Fred always says he loves caller on call a crime,

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Speaker 5: So I figured I'd chime in with my most hated caller.

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Speaker 5: Christian from l A is by far the worst caller.

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Speaker 5: He's a window licking buffoon.

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Speaker 4: Window Is that a thing? A window?

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Speaker 5: Window licking buffoon?

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Speaker 4: Is that a thing?

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Speaker 5: People were asking me a lot that yesterday. Who are

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Speaker 5: the guys that you you know, who are the guys

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Speaker 5: that should return it? Are you done, Christian? Or do

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Speaker 5: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Wednesday here

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Speaker 5: at Let's Stadium. We're turning the page to the Buffalo Bills,

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Speaker 5: a four to twenty five matchup on Sunday. You know,

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Speaker 5: the Patriots have such you know, rabid following they had

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Speaker 5: to move us to the four to twenty five.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, get it in.

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Speaker 5: That's the only reason.

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Speaker 4: National window after Drake May.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the Drake May window.

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Speaker 4: He did talk about, you know, played in some cold games.

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Speaker 4: Yeah in North Carolina.

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Speaker 5: Okay, but forty degrees.

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Speaker 4: But this is going to be the well he said,

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Speaker 4: it went down to like the twenties, but I kind

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Speaker 4: of find a how.

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Speaker 5: You believe, Well, this game is going to go down

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Speaker 5: to the team.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is going to be cold. Yeah, you know

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Speaker 4: he did say right now anyway, he'll be breaking out

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Speaker 4: the long sleeves for the first time, I think he said. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So I do think that's an element of the game

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Speaker 4: that's good for good for Drake May. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 4: get him exposed to all these different kinds of scenarios.

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Speaker 5: Yep. So I would imagine that they're gonna practice outside

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Speaker 5: all week right now.

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Speaker 4: Temperature is actually nice out here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's forty seven. It's too warm.

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Speaker 4: It was sixty yesterday, I know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so we're not going to be able to resemble

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Speaker 5: the weather in Buffalo. That that will be a good

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Speaker 4: In cold weather. Yeah, and this will be you know,

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Speaker 4: it's good for him. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: The key for cold, it's the undergarments. Yeah, if you

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Speaker 4: You can you can, Brady used to wear the school.

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Speaker 5: We can deal with it. And then you know, you

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Speaker 4: Yeah. It's funny because like as a kid, when you're

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Speaker 5: It's tough anyway. So yeah, seventeen I think is about

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Speaker 4: But you'll get some wings though, huh oh the night

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Speaker 4: I always liked the Buffalo trip it was a sneaky

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Speaker 5: So yeah, that'll be the last road trip for the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, last one for you guys and then to at home.

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Speaker 4: So what do we have the friends counting down the

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Speaker 5: I mean, the Bills are going to be playing for keeps, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a little bit

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Speaker 4: of a letdown for Buffalo. But they have they have

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Speaker 4: I meant thinking more like back to what they've just

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Speaker 4: not wins, they split the two games, but you know,

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Speaker 4: high intensity games against the Rams and the Lions. You know,

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Speaker 4: maybe they come home after those two games and they

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Speaker 4: look at it as we have were eleven and three.

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Speaker 4: They're three and eleven. We probably don't need to be

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Speaker 4: at our intense best, you know for this one. But

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Speaker 4: you know, they need the game. They can't afford to

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Speaker 4: just look at them and say this, you know we

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Speaker 4: ready to beat us. That would be my message about

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Speaker 4: was Ara Ara McDermott. But realistically, I mean, realistically, they're

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Speaker 5: Even as the homer that I am, I think fourteen

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it might have something to do with

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Speaker 5: So what are we looking for with the Patriots? Because

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Speaker 5: you know, we want to watch, you know, And the

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Speaker 5: first answer obviously is what's Drake maysd and Night going

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Speaker 9: Like?

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Speaker 5: You always want to see improvement with the quarterback. But

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Speaker 5: beyond that, what are we looking for in this game?

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Speaker 4: I would say I'd like to see a return to

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Speaker 4: the offense that we had seen prior to the bye

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Speaker 4: I thought the Rams and the Colts games, those two

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Speaker 4: bit more diverse offensively. You know, I'm not necessarily saying

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Speaker 4: that they were, you know, bombs away throwing it downfield.

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Speaker 4: But this past game I thought was a step back

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Speaker 4: both in approach, creativity and play.

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Speaker 5: Why do you think that is?

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Speaker 4: I don't know, I think, you know, I just think

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Speaker 4: it was a bad game plan. Yeah, yeah, I don't

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Speaker 5: I don't think there was anything to do with you know,

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Speaker 5: credit for like taking the Patriots out of rhythm, And

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Speaker 5: I mean that first drive was a good drive until

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Speaker 5: the Patriots killed themselves. Then after that it seemed.

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Speaker 4: They did nothing offensively. And so from that point on.

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Speaker 5: Seeing the Cardinals adjusted a little bit, and we didn't

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just feel like they they wanted to go

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Speaker 4: to protect him. But why this game, anymore so than

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Speaker 4: any other game was that the mindset?

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: It's the same offensive line they had the previous game.

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Speaker 4: It's not any different really of a defense. Yeah, I

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Speaker 4: just thought it was odd. I think you can't just

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Speaker 5: Do you think all this talk about you know, using

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Speaker 5: Drake May's legs and all this stuff, not just in

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Speaker 5: the red zone but design runs, do you think they,

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Speaker 4: So, I that's a very interesting thought. And my feeling

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Speaker 4: They've done it, you know, you know, to Mario Douglas

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Speaker 4: four screens to Mario Douglas in the first quarter and

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Speaker 4: in Drake May's best interest to not be asked to

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Speaker 4: run as much. You know, I think that's something that's

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Speaker 4: going to be part of his game, but I don't

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Speaker 4: think they want it to be necessarily.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, don't have anything that's not Like I spoke to

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but I mean that's that's that's how you open

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Speaker 4: I think it's a big part of his game.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's how you in a way, that's kind

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Speaker 5: of how you protect him a little bit, you know,

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Speaker 5: because now you're giving the defense a little bit, you know,

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Speaker 5: something else to think about, you know, spreads them out

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Speaker 5: a little now, maybe they have to dedicate somebody just

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Speaker 5: to be the spy, take somebody out of coverage, you know,

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Speaker 5: gives them a little bit more time, you know. I

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Speaker 5: don't know. But the more you can do, the more

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Speaker 5: the defense has to worry about. But I kind of

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Speaker 5: agree with you, I think, and we talked about this yesterday.

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Speaker 5: That might be the next phase of the offense, and

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Speaker 5: they're not ready to incorporate that this year yet.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. And and he's definitely not been scrambling as much

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Speaker 4: I haven't really seen any design runs, no, And I

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, I mean we've seen what we need to

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Speaker 5: See what we've gotten, Milton, you know going forward? Do

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Speaker 4: because I think it's just too much to be gained

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Speaker 4: he gets the touchdown back. I thought about it. Why not,

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Speaker 4: Obviously May stayed out there and went down and scored

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Speaker 4: Let's call it what it was, right, you know, like

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Speaker 4: You need somebody. So I think you would benefit maybe

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Speaker 4: Did you watch any of that money night came No,

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Speaker 5: What happened to him?

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Speaker 4: He just doesn't look he looks so unsure of himself.

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Speaker 4: Doesn't look like he's trusting what he's seeing. I've seen

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Speaker 4: They didn't trust him to throw before that at all.

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Speaker 4: I think it's an odd time to make a change

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Speaker 4: I would have waited, maybe if they lost this game

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Speaker 4: Ron Hobson Media Good Guy Award.

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Speaker 4: just they're just doing their jobs. We're just doing our

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Speaker 4: better job of that too, Like if you like criticize,

438
00:21:22,754 --> 00:21:24,833
Speaker 4: you know, the media, it's like, you know, it's not

439
00:21:24,914 --> 00:21:28,314
Speaker 4: necess really a personal attack. Yeah, it's there. They don't

440
00:21:28,394 --> 00:21:30,794
Speaker 4: like what you've written or what you've said or whatever.

441
00:21:30,954 --> 00:21:34,513
Speaker 4: You know, both sides could could deal to learn to

442
00:21:34,513 --> 00:21:35,954
Speaker 4: deal with criticism better.

443
00:21:36,234 --> 00:21:39,873
Speaker 5: Some of the thinnest skinned people media ever met, our media, absolutely,

444
00:21:39,914 --> 00:21:43,113
Speaker 5: the ones on TV, you know, absolutely, yeah.

445
00:21:43,874 --> 00:21:46,114
Speaker 4: You know, I feel like this was way too much

446
00:21:46,114 --> 00:21:46,313
Speaker 4: of that.

447
00:21:46,754 --> 00:21:51,234
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, So that was so Girodd Anything eventful today?

448
00:21:52,073 --> 00:21:55,594
Speaker 5: You know, was it sort of uh, you know, your

449
00:21:55,714 --> 00:21:57,634
Speaker 5: usual press conference on unevents.

450
00:21:57,954 --> 00:22:03,234
Speaker 4: So I mean, I wouldn't say necessarily uneventful, but you know,

451
00:22:03,313 --> 00:22:05,513
Speaker 4: he talked a lot about Buffalo, as you know, as

452
00:22:05,553 --> 00:22:11,033
Speaker 4: Wednesdays typically are. But there were some questions about his

453
00:22:11,154 --> 00:22:14,153
Speaker 4: job and you know this, you know this stories and

454
00:22:14,234 --> 00:22:17,914
Speaker 4: talk about your future, and he said, right now, I'm

455
00:22:17,994 --> 00:22:21,234
Speaker 4: just you know, I'm not dealing with any any of that.

456
00:22:21,313 --> 00:22:24,234
Speaker 4: I'm just focusing on on the Buffalo bills and and

457
00:22:24,313 --> 00:22:28,674
Speaker 4: Sunday Mike Giardy sort of asked him a follow up,

458
00:22:29,714 --> 00:22:33,394
Speaker 4: sort of understanding the answer there, but you know, there

459
00:22:33,434 --> 00:22:36,153
Speaker 4: there has been a lot of you know, questions about

460
00:22:36,194 --> 00:22:38,754
Speaker 4: whether or not you'll be back. There'll be a year

461
00:22:38,833 --> 00:22:43,474
Speaker 4: two and that answer doesn't necessarily squash that, you know,

462
00:22:43,793 --> 00:22:46,714
Speaker 4: you know, like, yeah, you understand what he Mike is saying,

463
00:22:47,114 --> 00:22:48,994
Speaker 4: you know, like, no, so there's a lot of stories

464
00:22:48,994 --> 00:22:50,674
Speaker 4: about whether or not you'll be back in year two.

465
00:22:50,874 --> 00:22:53,194
Speaker 4: And instead of saying, oh, no, no, I fully intend

466
00:22:53,273 --> 00:22:53,714
Speaker 4: to be back.

467
00:22:53,793 --> 00:22:54,994
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just focused on today.

468
00:22:54,994 --> 00:22:56,754
Speaker 4: But I'm just focused on today, he just says, I'm

469
00:22:56,793 --> 00:22:59,073
Speaker 4: just focused on today. So Mike said, that doesn't exactly

470
00:22:59,073 --> 00:23:02,634
Speaker 4: squash it. He goes, well, I'm I'm not really interested

471
00:23:02,674 --> 00:23:06,593
Speaker 4: in that in the talk, it's just a lot focused

472
00:23:06,593 --> 00:23:09,954
Speaker 4: on Buffalo's not a bad answer at all by gerid.

473
00:23:09,714 --> 00:23:11,873
Speaker 5: No, because a lot of a lot of you know,

474
00:23:12,353 --> 00:23:16,313
Speaker 5: consultants would say, if it's if it's a question like that,

475
00:23:16,434 --> 00:23:19,273
Speaker 5: don't address it, you know, don't address it because if

476
00:23:19,313 --> 00:23:22,513
Speaker 5: you address it now, you know.

477
00:23:23,353 --> 00:23:25,994
Speaker 4: I kind of agree with you. I think that by saying, like,

478
00:23:26,073 --> 00:23:28,633
Speaker 4: you know, like right now we have to we have

479
00:23:28,634 --> 00:23:30,314
Speaker 4: a game in four days.

480
00:23:30,313 --> 00:23:31,074
Speaker 5: Not what I'm worried about.

481
00:23:31,154 --> 00:23:32,434
Speaker 4: That's what I'm worried about right now. It is the

482
00:23:32,434 --> 00:23:33,994
Speaker 4: Buffalo bills.

483
00:23:34,114 --> 00:23:37,833
Speaker 5: But it's amazing, you know. And Tom Kerran, who know,

484
00:23:37,914 --> 00:23:40,113
Speaker 5: he's pretty close to Mayo. I mean, they did the

485
00:23:40,234 --> 00:23:43,714
Speaker 5: Quickxcellent show together and I would consider them friends.

486
00:23:43,874 --> 00:23:47,234
Speaker 4: It's a great example of it's not personal because they

487
00:23:47,234 --> 00:23:50,873
Speaker 4: are friends. Yeah, you know, I felt Phil and Tom

488
00:23:51,073 --> 00:23:55,234
Speaker 4: have worked very closely with Gerard, so that's not easy

489
00:23:55,273 --> 00:23:55,474
Speaker 4: for that.

490
00:23:55,513 --> 00:24:00,033
Speaker 5: I was watching the show on the NBC Sports Boston

491
00:24:00,353 --> 00:24:03,833
Speaker 5: last night, the early early edition, and you know, Kerran

492
00:24:03,954 --> 00:24:08,714
Speaker 5: was talking about Rabel, saying that Rabel, he said this

493
00:24:08,793 --> 00:24:13,273
Speaker 5: definitively Rabel would be interested in coaching here. Now I'm like,

494
00:24:13,434 --> 00:24:16,154
Speaker 5: I don't know if that is from Rabel or what

495
00:24:16,273 --> 00:24:18,714
Speaker 5: he heard, or but the very fact that Kerran is

496
00:24:18,754 --> 00:24:24,674
Speaker 5: even entertaining that I think is eyebrow raising because he's

497
00:24:24,674 --> 00:24:29,674
Speaker 5: good friends with Mayo and he's not you know, he's

498
00:24:30,194 --> 00:24:32,194
Speaker 5: making this a story.

499
00:24:32,313 --> 00:24:34,994
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's it's really interesting. And I was

500
00:24:35,033 --> 00:24:36,873
Speaker 4: talking to Tom a little bit in the press conference

501
00:24:36,914 --> 00:24:39,033
Speaker 4: and I wanted to sort of get into that a

502
00:24:39,033 --> 00:24:42,033
Speaker 4: little bit, but you know, the pesky interviews kept coming,

503
00:24:42,073 --> 00:24:44,954
Speaker 4: so we didn't have enough time in between the interviews.

504
00:24:47,954 --> 00:24:50,793
Speaker 4: I wonder, you know, and I you know, I don't

505
00:24:50,793 --> 00:24:52,873
Speaker 4: pretend to be friends with Rabel, but I feel like

506
00:24:52,914 --> 00:24:56,433
Speaker 4: I know Mike a little bit. I had probably a

507
00:24:56,474 --> 00:25:00,313
Speaker 4: better relationship with him than most players over the years

508
00:25:00,313 --> 00:25:05,153
Speaker 4: that I've had, and I wonder if maybe He's a

509
00:25:05,194 --> 00:25:08,713
Speaker 4: smart guy. Mike's a very, very smart guy, and his

510
00:25:08,914 --> 00:25:12,313
Speaker 4: name has been thrown out there for a number of jobs,

511
00:25:12,313 --> 00:25:17,874
Speaker 4: a number of openings, specifically Chicago and also possibly Ohio

512
00:25:17,914 --> 00:25:20,474
Speaker 4: State if they end up losing in the playoffs and

513
00:25:20,513 --> 00:25:23,114
Speaker 4: they move on from Ryan Day he went there. Yeah,

514
00:25:23,154 --> 00:25:26,714
Speaker 4: he's he's coach there. So I wonder if he looks

515
00:25:26,754 --> 00:25:29,793
Speaker 4: at this and says, yeah, I'd be interested in coaching

516
00:25:29,833 --> 00:25:33,833
Speaker 4: the Patriots, like because it just ops his value, like

517
00:25:33,833 --> 00:25:36,713
Speaker 4: there's more competition. He's a smart guy, that's true, And

518
00:25:37,114 --> 00:25:39,273
Speaker 4: that's kind of what I thought, because on the surface,

519
00:25:40,474 --> 00:25:42,234
Speaker 4: I mean, I would think Ohio State would be a

520
00:25:42,273 --> 00:25:42,794
Speaker 4: home run for.

521
00:25:42,793 --> 00:25:45,353
Speaker 5: Him, unless he wants to get back in the NFL.

522
00:25:45,434 --> 00:25:47,474
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean it sounds like he's got Chicago

523
00:25:47,474 --> 00:25:49,153
Speaker 4: if he wants to get back in the NFL, like

524
00:25:49,194 --> 00:25:52,073
Speaker 4: he's I mean, I saw something earlier this week that

525
00:25:52,593 --> 00:25:56,353
Speaker 4: kind of indicated it was kind of set, you know.

526
00:25:56,513 --> 00:26:01,433
Speaker 4: It's interesting. Also related to Rabel, John Robinson interviewed for

527
00:26:01,474 --> 00:26:06,394
Speaker 4: the Jets GM opening this week. They were together in Tennessee.

528
00:26:06,593 --> 00:26:09,713
Speaker 4: John Robinson in Rabel, So I didn't know if they

529
00:26:09,714 --> 00:26:13,474
Speaker 4: would look to get that combination back into the Jets.

530
00:26:13,234 --> 00:26:16,674
Speaker 5: Who's doing that interview is that it's got to be Woody, right,

531
00:26:16,714 --> 00:26:20,714
Speaker 5: So that's the ownership. So they're gonna possibly hire the

532
00:26:20,754 --> 00:26:21,833
Speaker 5: GM before the coach.

533
00:26:23,033 --> 00:26:26,194
Speaker 4: Well they're doing interviews anyway. Yeah. Uh, And now I

534
00:26:26,273 --> 00:26:29,153
Speaker 4: know that like it kind of ended, it didn't end

535
00:26:29,154 --> 00:26:32,474
Speaker 4: well in Tennessee with Robinson and Rabel. Like Robinson ended

536
00:26:32,513 --> 00:26:34,833
Speaker 4: up making that trade for a J Brown that supposedly

537
00:26:34,994 --> 00:26:38,754
Speaker 4: really really bothered Rabel. I don't know if that was

538
00:26:38,754 --> 00:26:41,754
Speaker 4: like an edict from above and Robinson's hands were tied,

539
00:26:41,793 --> 00:26:45,313
Speaker 4: so Rabel doesn't hold anything with Robinson, or if it

540
00:26:45,394 --> 00:26:48,114
Speaker 4: was a thing that Robinson and Rabel and Rabel one, yeah,

541
00:26:48,194 --> 00:26:49,593
Speaker 4: and they were on the outs.

542
00:26:49,234 --> 00:26:53,033
Speaker 5: And yeah, Rabel one and then then he got kicked

543
00:26:53,073 --> 00:26:58,034
Speaker 5: out too. So But the thing about Rabel, for any

544
00:26:58,073 --> 00:27:00,954
Speaker 5: team that brings him in, he comes in on day

545
00:27:00,954 --> 00:27:04,754
Speaker 5: one with his own swagger, with his own culture, and

546
00:27:04,914 --> 00:27:10,834
Speaker 5: you know, uh, he's already done it. But but he's

547
00:27:10,874 --> 00:27:15,994
Speaker 5: he definitely is very has a lot of confidence and

548
00:27:16,154 --> 00:27:20,113
Speaker 5: you're not gonna have to worry about him not owning

549
00:27:20,154 --> 00:27:22,994
Speaker 5: the locker room on day one, you know.

550
00:27:23,313 --> 00:27:25,833
Speaker 4: I mean absolutely not. First of all, what he's a

551
00:27:25,874 --> 00:27:28,954
Speaker 4: former player, like Mayo. But he's also coached and he's

552
00:27:28,994 --> 00:27:31,874
Speaker 4: had success as a coach, you know, not the ultimate success,

553
00:27:31,914 --> 00:27:33,954
Speaker 4: but you know, he's had a team that he took

554
00:27:33,994 --> 00:27:36,793
Speaker 4: to the AOC Championship game. He had another team that

555
00:27:36,833 --> 00:27:39,273
Speaker 4: he had a number one seed in the first round

556
00:27:39,353 --> 00:27:43,033
Speaker 4: by with two different teams he's had success with. So

557
00:27:43,353 --> 00:27:46,114
Speaker 4: there's there's more gravity there. I think he comes in

558
00:27:46,154 --> 00:27:51,634
Speaker 4: with more gravitas, as they say. But what about Current's

559
00:27:51,634 --> 00:27:55,553
Speaker 4: thing that you told me about. He also says that

560
00:27:55,593 --> 00:27:57,354
Speaker 4: they need to hire a football.

561
00:27:56,914 --> 00:27:59,033
Speaker 5: Over Yeah, so that was the other thing that Kurran

562
00:27:59,154 --> 00:28:01,994
Speaker 5: was saying, is he believes that they need to hire

563
00:28:02,073 --> 00:28:05,073
Speaker 5: this you know, I think I think he called it

564
00:28:05,313 --> 00:28:09,153
Speaker 5: president of football Operations, you know, someone that actually the

565
00:28:09,194 --> 00:28:11,713
Speaker 5: coach and GM possibly would answer to.

566
00:28:13,073 --> 00:28:17,313
Speaker 4: So was the position one to like pill players or

567
00:28:17,394 --> 00:28:18,154
Speaker 4: is he just sort.

568
00:28:17,954 --> 00:28:21,954
Speaker 5: Of throughout Poli's name because he was recently on a

569
00:28:21,994 --> 00:28:25,833
Speaker 5: podcast or was on their podcast and he threw up

570
00:28:25,994 --> 00:28:29,834
Speaker 5: Piola's name as an example of someone who would have

571
00:28:29,874 --> 00:28:31,154
Speaker 5: that that position.

572
00:28:32,593 --> 00:28:34,994
Speaker 4: Just bring them all back, Yeah, bring them all back.

573
00:28:35,353 --> 00:28:38,034
Speaker 4: Creating be good for us. We have great relationships with

574
00:28:38,074 --> 00:28:38,514
Speaker 4: both of those.

575
00:28:38,674 --> 00:28:41,514
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you know, you're creating layers. But what

576
00:28:41,554 --> 00:28:43,554
Speaker 5: he believes is that you have to have that one

577
00:28:43,674 --> 00:28:47,754
Speaker 5: person that is, at the end of the day, has

578
00:28:47,834 --> 00:28:52,154
Speaker 5: all the say and everybody answers it interesting, it's interesting,

579
00:28:52,394 --> 00:28:54,913
Speaker 5: And then of course people immediately criticize them that you

580
00:28:54,954 --> 00:28:57,194
Speaker 5: had him and you kicked them out, which is Bill Belichick.

581
00:28:57,274 --> 00:28:58,954
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, but I don't think that's what Tom

582
00:28:59,034 --> 00:29:04,434
Speaker 4: is necessarily like advocating for, like just one guy who's

583
00:29:04,514 --> 00:29:07,193
Speaker 4: picking the players, coaching the players, and in charge. Right now,

584
00:29:07,274 --> 00:29:09,354
Speaker 4: I think he has one guy that's in charge, but

585
00:29:09,554 --> 00:29:13,113
Speaker 4: like he's the gm is finding players and the coaches

586
00:29:13,154 --> 00:29:16,514
Speaker 4: coaching them. I think, right, so he's gonna he wants

587
00:29:16,514 --> 00:29:19,354
Speaker 4: to hire a GM and a coach, but an overlord

588
00:29:19,394 --> 00:29:20,594
Speaker 4: to oversee it at all.

589
00:29:20,754 --> 00:29:24,754
Speaker 5: Azara Football, Zara Football. Yeah, I know, I don't know either.

590
00:29:25,794 --> 00:29:27,274
Speaker 5: There's some teams that have that, right.

591
00:29:27,554 --> 00:29:29,874
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think in Pioli's a guy that I think

592
00:29:29,914 --> 00:29:31,514
Speaker 4: has sort of served in that kind of a role.

593
00:29:31,554 --> 00:29:34,674
Speaker 4: I think he did it with Atlanta after he left

594
00:29:34,714 --> 00:29:35,393
Speaker 4: Kansas City.

595
00:29:36,034 --> 00:29:38,274
Speaker 5: But didn't he work for Dimitrov.

596
00:29:37,914 --> 00:29:40,594
Speaker 4: With Dimatrov Yeah, I don't know. I'm not just necessarily

597
00:29:40,634 --> 00:29:43,754
Speaker 4: saying who was above. I think Dimotrof was yeah, I

598
00:29:43,794 --> 00:29:44,754
Speaker 4: think you're probably right.

599
00:29:44,834 --> 00:29:49,234
Speaker 5: Yeah, but Dimittroff has been interviewing too. I heard that

600
00:29:49,274 --> 00:29:51,714
Speaker 5: he was sat down with some team other really good guy,

601
00:29:51,874 --> 00:29:53,674
Speaker 5: yeah another Patriots.

602
00:29:53,714 --> 00:29:54,234
Speaker 4: Patriots.

603
00:29:55,114 --> 00:29:56,954
Speaker 5: Yeah. So there's a lot of movement. But you know,

604
00:29:57,674 --> 00:30:00,913
Speaker 5: we're in a tough spot here, and I mean the

605
00:30:00,914 --> 00:30:05,554
Speaker 5: Patriots organization and us because right now girod Meo is

606
00:30:05,594 --> 00:30:09,673
Speaker 5: our head coach and he's only been here, you know,

607
00:30:09,834 --> 00:30:13,554
Speaker 5: for less than a year. I get it that it

608
00:30:14,154 --> 00:30:17,594
Speaker 5: it has been far from perfect for him, not just

609
00:30:17,674 --> 00:30:21,034
Speaker 5: on the field but off the field as well. But

610
00:30:21,354 --> 00:30:24,953
Speaker 5: you know, I just really hesitate on blowing it up

611
00:30:24,954 --> 00:30:29,194
Speaker 5: and starting all over again. And it's a really hard work.

612
00:30:29,674 --> 00:30:32,154
Speaker 4: It's a really it's a really hard one because that's

613
00:30:32,434 --> 00:30:34,194
Speaker 4: those are the two things. And I can make a

614
00:30:34,234 --> 00:30:37,034
Speaker 4: really passionate argument for both sides. I know, big shock.

615
00:30:37,114 --> 00:30:41,874
Speaker 4: I argue both sides. But there's something to be said

616
00:30:41,874 --> 00:30:45,193
Speaker 4: that if you decide, if Robert wakes up today and

617
00:30:45,234 --> 00:30:47,633
Speaker 4: just says, you know what, I think I was wrong.

618
00:30:48,234 --> 00:30:51,713
Speaker 4: I think I picked the wrong guy, then he should

619
00:30:51,714 --> 00:30:52,314
Speaker 4: make a change.

620
00:30:52,314 --> 00:30:52,714
Speaker 5: He should.

621
00:30:54,434 --> 00:30:59,274
Speaker 4: But if he's still convicted that, you know, we don't

622
00:30:59,314 --> 00:31:01,474
Speaker 4: want to just pull the plug after one year it's

623
00:31:01,554 --> 00:31:05,194
Speaker 4: not fair to anybody who inherited this roster that's so limited.

624
00:31:06,194 --> 00:31:07,714
Speaker 4: We got to give him some time to dig it

625
00:31:07,714 --> 00:31:10,794
Speaker 4: out and fix his own mess. I think that makes

626
00:31:10,834 --> 00:31:13,113
Speaker 4: perfect sense too. I think that's what's going to end

627
00:31:13,194 --> 00:31:16,754
Speaker 4: up happening. I think that this this kind of a

628
00:31:16,834 --> 00:31:19,754
Speaker 4: season was somewhat expected. I think some of the off

629
00:31:19,754 --> 00:31:22,714
Speaker 4: field stuff that you mentioned maybe not so much. But

630
00:31:22,874 --> 00:31:26,834
Speaker 4: on field, I think people understood the limitations of the roster.

631
00:31:27,114 --> 00:31:27,954
Speaker 5: So that's the thing.

632
00:31:28,194 --> 00:31:29,674
Speaker 4: So you got you gotta let him see it through.

633
00:31:29,714 --> 00:31:33,874
Speaker 5: Do you think that if the missteps at the podium

634
00:31:34,394 --> 00:31:38,834
Speaker 5: hadn't happened, we'd be talking about a one and done.

635
00:31:39,954 --> 00:31:40,954
Speaker 5: I see, I don't think so.

636
00:31:41,394 --> 00:31:43,474
Speaker 4: I think that that's part of it. Yeah, I don't

637
00:31:43,514 --> 00:31:45,354
Speaker 4: know if we'd be talking about it as much, but

638
00:31:45,394 --> 00:31:47,074
Speaker 4: I do think that's a big part of it. So

639
00:31:47,394 --> 00:31:48,474
Speaker 4: I'm kind of wishy washing.

640
00:31:48,474 --> 00:31:52,194
Speaker 5: People are glombing on what he's saying as a reflection

641
00:31:52,314 --> 00:31:54,074
Speaker 5: of who he is, Like, I'll get to the how

642
00:31:54,114 --> 00:31:54,754
Speaker 5: he's coaching.

643
00:31:54,874 --> 00:31:58,874
Speaker 4: Sorry, Fred, he was on EI on Monday. I don't

644
00:31:58,874 --> 00:32:00,194
Speaker 4: know if you saw any of it. There was some

645
00:32:00,274 --> 00:32:02,194
Speaker 4: clips that they put out there, and he's like sort

646
00:32:02,194 --> 00:32:05,594
Speaker 4: of yucking it up with Greg Hill and Chris Curtis

647
00:32:05,594 --> 00:32:09,554
Speaker 4: and Courtney and Wiggy and people are like glombing onto that.

648
00:32:09,634 --> 00:32:09,794
Speaker 2: Now.

649
00:32:09,834 --> 00:32:12,594
Speaker 4: It's like, I mean, I know, I'm a little old school,

650
00:32:12,594 --> 00:32:15,873
Speaker 4: but this is a little bit too uh jocular for

651
00:32:15,994 --> 00:32:19,034
Speaker 4: my liking the day after such a bad loss, right, Like,

652
00:32:19,074 --> 00:32:23,473
Speaker 4: would we be doing that if it wasn't for all

653
00:32:23,514 --> 00:32:26,873
Speaker 4: of these like things that the podium like, like that

654
00:32:26,914 --> 00:32:28,994
Speaker 4: doesn't really bother I don't know how you feel about it.

655
00:32:29,194 --> 00:32:31,354
Speaker 4: The fact that the next day he doesn't look like

656
00:32:31,394 --> 00:32:35,314
Speaker 4: he needs to, you know, be on watch doesn't really

657
00:32:35,314 --> 00:32:39,153
Speaker 4: bother me. I know that these guys are affected by losses.

658
00:32:39,274 --> 00:32:40,714
Speaker 4: Yeah see I was, I know they care.

659
00:32:40,874 --> 00:32:44,514
Speaker 5: I kind of felt relieved that he's the way he

660
00:32:44,634 --> 00:32:48,594
Speaker 5: is on Greg Hill's show, because I would hate him

661
00:32:48,594 --> 00:32:52,274
Speaker 5: to like go on there and just be not who

662
00:32:52,314 --> 00:32:56,034
Speaker 5: he is and be like so tightly strung because of

663
00:32:56,074 --> 00:32:59,193
Speaker 5: the loss. Like I want him to be able to

664
00:32:59,194 --> 00:33:02,954
Speaker 5: move on after these losses because they were inevitable this year.

665
00:33:03,154 --> 00:33:07,314
Speaker 5: We weren't gonna be good this year. But I really

666
00:33:07,354 --> 00:33:11,194
Speaker 5: believe that if he was a little bit more buttoned

667
00:33:11,274 --> 00:33:14,994
Speaker 5: up at the podium, we wouldn't be talking about one

668
00:33:15,034 --> 00:33:17,234
Speaker 5: and done. Honestly, I really believe that.

669
00:33:17,354 --> 00:33:21,714
Speaker 4: So I think that I agree with you to an extent.

670
00:33:21,794 --> 00:33:23,914
Speaker 4: I don't think we'd be talking about it as much. Yeah,

671
00:33:23,994 --> 00:33:26,673
Speaker 4: I think they would still be tough still. If they

672
00:33:26,674 --> 00:33:28,794
Speaker 4: were three and eleven with with one of the worst

673
00:33:28,794 --> 00:33:31,154
Speaker 4: offenses and one of the worst defenses in football, I

674
00:33:31,194 --> 00:33:33,434
Speaker 4: think they'd still be talk about it. That's why. And

675
00:33:33,714 --> 00:33:36,194
Speaker 4: in full disclosure, you know, we do the mail bag

676
00:33:36,234 --> 00:33:39,314
Speaker 4: every week, right, so it's my next Tuesday, I'll be

677
00:33:39,314 --> 00:33:43,034
Speaker 4: posting my it's my turn, and I got about twenty

678
00:33:43,074 --> 00:33:46,393
Speaker 4: posts already, and obviously I'm not gonna be able to

679
00:33:46,834 --> 00:33:51,674
Speaker 4: post them all because they're all saying roughly the same thing. Everybody.

680
00:33:51,714 --> 00:33:55,594
Speaker 4: Everybody's got to go right. And you know, I understand

681
00:33:55,634 --> 00:33:58,394
Speaker 4: the frustration. You know, I was a season ticket holder too,

682
00:33:58,834 --> 00:34:01,554
Speaker 4: before you took me away from all that. Like Charlie's Angels,

683
00:34:03,074 --> 00:34:05,633
Speaker 4: I was. I was there and and I was in

684
00:34:05,674 --> 00:34:08,114
Speaker 4: the stands, and you know, I was watching Pete Carroll

685
00:34:08,154 --> 00:34:12,234
Speaker 4: and frustrated with everybody else. So I understand where the

686
00:34:12,274 --> 00:34:15,154
Speaker 4: fans are coming from. There was not one unfair email

687
00:34:15,194 --> 00:34:17,914
Speaker 4: that I've gotten so far. Now I'm gonna have to

688
00:34:17,954 --> 00:34:21,194
Speaker 4: obviously tread a little lightly with it in full disclosure,

689
00:34:21,234 --> 00:34:25,074
Speaker 4: because like we shouldn't be openly talking about, you know,

690
00:34:26,194 --> 00:34:29,074
Speaker 4: firing everybody. But no, I don't want to get fired.

691
00:34:29,714 --> 00:34:32,754
Speaker 5: But again, I think if it hadn't, if it hadn't

692
00:34:32,794 --> 00:34:35,673
Speaker 5: been for the podium missteps, I think we'd be taught

693
00:34:35,794 --> 00:34:38,474
Speaker 5: more talking about the coordinators, not that we're.

694
00:34:38,314 --> 00:34:40,633
Speaker 4: Not anyway, right, well, there's a lot of that too, yeah,

695
00:34:40,873 --> 00:34:43,674
Speaker 4: not that it's really all four of them. It's because

696
00:34:43,674 --> 00:34:46,113
Speaker 4: Elliott and Gerard with the two coordinators.

697
00:34:46,154 --> 00:34:49,634
Speaker 5: And listen, I fully admit that the hiring of Gerrod Mayo,

698
00:34:50,994 --> 00:34:54,234
Speaker 5: our hope that he became a good head coach, was

699
00:34:54,354 --> 00:34:58,714
Speaker 5: based solely on trust. We had no empirical evidence to

700
00:34:58,754 --> 00:35:02,274
Speaker 5: say that he would be just and so all, like

701
00:35:02,314 --> 00:35:04,034
Speaker 5: you said, all those emails are fair.

702
00:35:04,314 --> 00:35:06,154
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's fair, and I would like, you know, I'm

703
00:35:06,154 --> 00:35:08,433
Speaker 4: listening to the players, like all the players. You know,

704
00:35:08,514 --> 00:35:11,433
Speaker 4: Drake was asked about it, Dietrich Wise was asked about it,

705
00:35:12,114 --> 00:35:14,673
Speaker 4: and I'm sure when I left Hunter, Henry was asked

706
00:35:14,674 --> 00:35:17,954
Speaker 4: about it, just you know, like to address the rumors

707
00:35:17,994 --> 00:35:20,674
Speaker 4: about his job security and what your feelings are of

708
00:35:20,834 --> 00:35:23,154
Speaker 4: playing and like they're all like, you know, he's a

709
00:35:23,234 --> 00:35:26,993
Speaker 4: first time head coach. I actually throughout you know, this

710
00:35:27,034 --> 00:35:28,794
Speaker 4: is the way it's gone for a lot of first

711
00:35:28,834 --> 00:35:31,994
Speaker 4: time head coaches early in their career. He mentioned Detroit

712
00:35:32,074 --> 00:35:36,794
Speaker 4: situation and how that's turned around. If I heard different stuff,

713
00:35:36,834 --> 00:35:38,873
Speaker 4: if I were Robert Kraft, obviously I'd be talking with

714
00:35:38,953 --> 00:35:41,834
Speaker 4: the players and whatnot and trying to get a you know,

715
00:35:42,234 --> 00:35:45,713
Speaker 4: a feel for But I I don't sense, and maybe

716
00:35:45,754 --> 00:35:47,994
Speaker 4: I'm wrong, but I don't sense a lack of belief

717
00:35:48,354 --> 00:35:51,794
Speaker 4: from the players in the in Mayo, at least not publicly.

718
00:35:52,034 --> 00:35:54,794
Speaker 4: I haven't I haven't heard. I haven't heard that of you.

719
00:35:55,074 --> 00:35:58,034
Speaker 4: I haven't heard a lot of negative stuff from the players.

720
00:35:58,634 --> 00:36:02,834
Speaker 4: Now to your word, buttoned up, They got a button

721
00:36:02,913 --> 00:36:05,553
Speaker 4: up too. You know, they got to stop questioning the

722
00:36:06,074 --> 00:36:08,433
Speaker 4: you know, the play calls and the game plans and

723
00:36:08,473 --> 00:36:10,754
Speaker 4: whatnot publicly. You want to do that, You want to

724
00:36:10,794 --> 00:36:13,473
Speaker 4: go in in the offensive meetings and say, you know,

725
00:36:13,514 --> 00:36:16,314
Speaker 4: I thought we played right into their hands by doing X,

726
00:36:16,433 --> 00:36:18,834
Speaker 4: Y and Z. That's fine, but you don't have to

727
00:36:18,834 --> 00:36:21,953
Speaker 4: do that in the to the media. It doesn't do

728
00:36:22,074 --> 00:36:26,314
Speaker 4: anybody any good. But I feel like they're behind him still. Yeah,

729
00:36:26,393 --> 00:36:28,553
Speaker 4: I think they believe in Girod Mayo, and as long

730
00:36:28,594 --> 00:36:30,513
Speaker 4: as that's the case, that I stick with him.

731
00:36:30,913 --> 00:36:32,874
Speaker 5: And like you said, you know, if Robert Kraft wakes

732
00:36:32,953 --> 00:36:35,713
Speaker 5: up and says, up, I made a mistake, he needs

733
00:36:35,714 --> 00:36:38,794
Speaker 5: to do something about it. At the same time, if

734
00:36:38,834 --> 00:36:43,913
Speaker 5: Gerrod Mayo comes back, then that tells me that there's

735
00:36:43,994 --> 00:36:50,634
Speaker 5: information that the Crafts know that says we still believe

736
00:36:50,674 --> 00:36:54,074
Speaker 5: in this guy, and it's not just based on trust.

737
00:36:54,154 --> 00:36:58,473
Speaker 5: At this point, we've seen a year now and from

738
00:36:58,473 --> 00:37:02,073
Speaker 5: what we've seen, we still think that this guy has

739
00:37:02,114 --> 00:37:04,834
Speaker 5: a shot to be a really good head coach. So

740
00:37:05,074 --> 00:37:08,914
Speaker 5: we'll see this. It's going to be a fascinating off season. Yeah,

741
00:37:08,994 --> 00:37:11,634
Speaker 5: all right. So eight five five PATS five hundred is

742
00:37:11,634 --> 00:37:15,674
Speaker 5: the TPX Outline podcast at Patriots dot com. Is the

743
00:37:15,714 --> 00:37:17,914
Speaker 5: email address. If you want to sign up for the

744
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746
00:37:27,554 --> 00:37:31,674
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747
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748
00:37:35,913 --> 00:37:40,314
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749
00:37:40,314 --> 00:37:42,993
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751
00:37:47,114 --> 00:37:50,674
Speaker 5: Let's get to the TPS hotline. We'll start with Max,

752
00:37:50,953 --> 00:37:53,234
Speaker 5: who is in Santa Barbara. I'll bet you the weather's

753
00:37:53,354 --> 00:37:54,354
Speaker 5: nice out there. Max.

754
00:37:55,234 --> 00:37:58,074
Speaker 8: It's pretty nice, well not as warm as i'd like it.

755
00:37:58,114 --> 00:38:00,274
Speaker 8: Thanks for taking my call, gentlemen. I did just have

756
00:38:00,354 --> 00:38:02,754
Speaker 8: a couple of quick things. First of all, I think

757
00:38:02,794 --> 00:38:06,234
Speaker 8: the fans frustration is more it's brady lest they do

758
00:38:06,354 --> 00:38:08,154
Speaker 8: the teams are gonna go down. I think it's more

759
00:38:08,314 --> 00:38:11,354
Speaker 8: not that they're bad, it's that they're in that they

760
00:38:11,393 --> 00:38:14,314
Speaker 8: seem to be in that That's I think is the

761
00:38:14,354 --> 00:38:18,714
Speaker 8: biggest frustration that I know I have. They just need

762
00:38:18,794 --> 00:38:22,033
Speaker 8: to be in a f and tooking of all to

763
00:38:22,074 --> 00:38:24,314
Speaker 8: get away from this year's team. I happen to watch

764
00:38:25,314 --> 00:38:28,154
Speaker 8: a couple of clips of Super Bowl forty six and

765
00:38:28,194 --> 00:38:31,154
Speaker 8: I wanted to ask you, Paul and Fred and you

766
00:38:31,194 --> 00:38:35,714
Speaker 8: were there on that fourth down where after Welker dropped

767
00:38:35,714 --> 00:38:39,033
Speaker 8: the ball with the analytics, Now do you think they

768
00:38:39,034 --> 00:38:41,674
Speaker 8: should have gone for it on fourth? I mean they

769
00:38:41,674 --> 00:38:45,113
Speaker 8: had the Giants had no answer for Hernandoz. They could

770
00:38:45,114 --> 00:38:48,914
Speaker 8: have put Gronken for another play, and Walker pretty good open. Again,

771
00:38:49,194 --> 00:38:50,594
Speaker 8: do you think they should have went for it on

772
00:38:50,634 --> 00:38:51,354
Speaker 8: that fourth down?

773
00:38:51,674 --> 00:38:52,714
Speaker 5: What was the fourth and one?

774
00:38:52,754 --> 00:38:54,473
Speaker 4: Do you know when when Welker dropped the ball? It

775
00:38:54,594 --> 00:38:57,433
Speaker 4: was on second it was on second down when well

776
00:38:57,473 --> 00:39:01,034
Speaker 4: Could dropped that pass, Well, it was overthrown by Brady

777
00:39:02,114 --> 00:39:04,153
Speaker 4: and then they then they failed on the third down

778
00:39:05,514 --> 00:39:07,634
Speaker 4: and then fourth down. So no, I wouldn't have I

779
00:39:08,274 --> 00:39:12,314
Speaker 4: would have punted the ball. Well, great holiday, but it's

780
00:39:12,354 --> 00:39:14,873
Speaker 4: a good it's it's certainly a good discussion. I don't

781
00:39:14,873 --> 00:39:17,033
Speaker 4: remember exactly what the distance was.

782
00:39:17,794 --> 00:39:19,234
Speaker 8: But they were at the forty eight.

783
00:39:19,473 --> 00:39:21,513
Speaker 4: No, but what was the distance? If it was like

784
00:39:21,554 --> 00:39:23,074
Speaker 4: fourth and one from the forty eight, I would have

785
00:39:23,154 --> 00:39:25,154
Speaker 4: gone for it. No, but I remember it being like

786
00:39:25,354 --> 00:39:25,993
Speaker 4: fourth and long.

787
00:39:26,634 --> 00:39:30,194
Speaker 8: Yeah, both today's analytics.

788
00:39:29,634 --> 00:39:32,314
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, no I think I think but today's

789
00:39:32,314 --> 00:39:34,633
Speaker 4: analytics would have said to punt on fourth and ten.

790
00:39:34,834 --> 00:39:37,754
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think even yeah, I was gonna say,

791
00:39:37,913 --> 00:39:40,434
Speaker 5: even today's analytics would have told you probably to punt.

792
00:39:41,114 --> 00:39:41,354
Speaker 3: Yeah.

793
00:39:41,393 --> 00:39:44,393
Speaker 4: It's like the distance is the important part there, not

794
00:39:44,433 --> 00:39:47,393
Speaker 4: necessarily the field position, right, you know what I mean? Yep,

795
00:39:47,953 --> 00:39:51,674
Speaker 4: Like they should have kicked the field goal at the

796
00:39:51,714 --> 00:39:54,714
Speaker 4: halftime of forty two, right, when they went for a

797
00:39:54,754 --> 00:39:57,473
Speaker 4: fourth and thirteen right like that, that's they should have

798
00:39:57,514 --> 00:40:00,234
Speaker 4: kicked a field goal. Yeap, Oh, Mike's back.

799
00:40:00,274 --> 00:40:01,113
Speaker 5: Hey, Mike's here.

800
00:40:02,194 --> 00:40:05,513
Speaker 3: Look who's back from the locker room. What was the

801
00:40:05,594 --> 00:40:07,513
Speaker 3: mood where the player's friendly to that?

802
00:40:07,634 --> 00:40:08,674
Speaker 5: None of them looked.

803
00:40:08,554 --> 00:40:12,834
Speaker 7: Like Deavin Henry Hay, Mike, What was it like in

804
00:40:12,913 --> 00:40:15,114
Speaker 7: the locker room?

805
00:40:15,953 --> 00:40:15,993
Speaker 8: Like?

806
00:40:16,433 --> 00:40:20,473
Speaker 9: What was it like in the locker room?

807
00:40:20,834 --> 00:40:22,913
Speaker 5: All right, Mike, Hi, how are you doing too good?

808
00:40:22,913 --> 00:40:24,633
Speaker 5: How are you guys doing good? Oh?

809
00:40:24,634 --> 00:40:25,153
Speaker 7: That was nice?

810
00:40:25,393 --> 00:40:27,354
Speaker 4: Uh, you're really too light?

811
00:40:27,433 --> 00:40:29,873
Speaker 5: You like that that a lot, but you can't help

812
00:40:29,913 --> 00:40:31,354
Speaker 5: but be in a good mood after that.

813
00:40:31,433 --> 00:40:33,433
Speaker 4: I love it, and I just I kind of pick

814
00:40:33,473 --> 00:40:35,953
Speaker 4: up little things like the little echo.

815
00:40:35,794 --> 00:40:36,234
Speaker 5: At the end.

816
00:40:37,433 --> 00:40:41,913
Speaker 7: Jade's oh well yeah, so uh, I want to talk

817
00:40:41,913 --> 00:40:45,154
Speaker 7: about the cold today, guys. And it wasn't exactly uh,

818
00:40:45,314 --> 00:40:48,913
Speaker 7: confidence inspiring. We just heard from Antonio Gibson and Tomorio Douglas,

819
00:40:48,913 --> 00:40:51,393
Speaker 7: but both of them kind of implied that they've never

820
00:40:51,473 --> 00:40:54,314
Speaker 7: quite been in cold like this before and that the

821
00:40:54,314 --> 00:40:55,594
Speaker 7: coaching staff is telling them.

822
00:40:56,594 --> 00:40:57,714
Speaker 4: Lay in Buffalo last year.

823
00:40:58,074 --> 00:41:00,074
Speaker 7: Now they're down the single digits, and single digits is

824
00:41:00,114 --> 00:41:02,354
Speaker 7: what I think the coaching staff is uh is telling

825
00:41:02,393 --> 00:41:03,794
Speaker 7: them so.

826
00:41:03,194 --> 00:41:05,993
Speaker 5: So maybe they're they're preparing them for the worst and

827
00:41:06,034 --> 00:41:09,794
Speaker 5: then it's like ten degrees. Yeah, it's not as bad

828
00:41:09,834 --> 00:41:10,594
Speaker 5: as we thought.

829
00:41:10,433 --> 00:41:13,873
Speaker 7: I think so. I think so enjoyed Antonio Gibson today though,

830
00:41:13,873 --> 00:41:15,634
Speaker 7: and I think he's had a couple, uh, you know,

831
00:41:15,674 --> 00:41:17,393
Speaker 7: a handful of good games here, just you know, coming

832
00:41:17,433 --> 00:41:19,433
Speaker 7: on a little bit at the end. Talked a little

833
00:41:19,473 --> 00:41:21,433
Speaker 7: bit about just changing his routine up a little bit

834
00:41:21,473 --> 00:41:24,953
Speaker 7: and feels like he's settling in getting healthy, but was

835
00:41:24,994 --> 00:41:27,674
Speaker 7: really saying that, you know, he said he's never been

836
00:41:27,714 --> 00:41:30,354
Speaker 7: on an NFL A winning season with his in his

837
00:41:30,393 --> 00:41:33,473
Speaker 7: time in the NFL with the Washington and then and

838
00:41:33,514 --> 00:41:35,473
Speaker 7: now with the Patriots, so he's been through this a

839
00:41:35,514 --> 00:41:37,314
Speaker 7: couple of times. But you know, he was just saying

840
00:41:37,354 --> 00:41:39,594
Speaker 7: that that he's been in bad locker rooms at this

841
00:41:39,634 --> 00:41:40,993
Speaker 7: point and he said, you know, it's not like that

842
00:41:41,114 --> 00:41:43,873
Speaker 7: right now, everybody. You know, I've been in places where

843
00:41:43,953 --> 00:41:45,913
Speaker 7: guys just don't want to do the lifts anymore and

844
00:41:45,953 --> 00:41:48,033
Speaker 7: they're just checking out. And he said, you know, guys

845
00:41:48,034 --> 00:41:50,834
Speaker 7: are still still seem invested here. And I think he

846
00:41:50,873 --> 00:41:52,154
Speaker 7: thought that was, you know, a good sign and a

847
00:41:52,154 --> 00:41:53,794
Speaker 7: good reflection of the guys that they had in the

848
00:41:53,794 --> 00:41:56,994
Speaker 7: locker room. So I spoke positively on that, but otherwise,

849
00:41:57,034 --> 00:41:58,754
Speaker 7: the theme of going up to Buffalo in the snow

850
00:41:58,794 --> 00:42:00,674
Speaker 7: and the cold weather doesn't doesn't seem.

851
00:42:00,473 --> 00:42:02,033
Speaker 4: That's kind of what I was talking to Fred about,

852
00:42:02,034 --> 00:42:04,993
Speaker 4: because we were talking all about Mayo, and I said,

853
00:42:05,074 --> 00:42:08,074
Speaker 4: if there were signs that they were sort of tuning

854
00:42:08,154 --> 00:42:11,074
Speaker 4: him out or not believing in him, then maybe I

855
00:42:11,074 --> 00:42:15,073
Speaker 4: would reassess my thoughts on the future. But that's what

856
00:42:15,154 --> 00:42:17,714
Speaker 4: I'm hearing, is what Antonio Gibson said to you. I've

857
00:42:17,754 --> 00:42:20,274
Speaker 4: been in bad locker rooms, and I don't really see

858
00:42:20,274 --> 00:42:21,513
Speaker 4: those things happening here.

859
00:42:21,674 --> 00:42:24,754
Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah. Otherwise, went into the main locker room. Then

860
00:42:25,274 --> 00:42:27,514
Speaker 7: good energy to a lot of you know, just feels

861
00:42:27,594 --> 00:42:29,314
Speaker 7: kind of some weeks. It's a little quiet this first

862
00:42:29,354 --> 00:42:30,674
Speaker 7: day kind of ramping up, but it felt like a

863
00:42:30,714 --> 00:42:32,714
Speaker 7: lot of guys were in there getting ready and uh,

864
00:42:32,834 --> 00:42:34,834
Speaker 7: you know, just felt like it was bustling a little bit.

865
00:42:34,873 --> 00:42:37,073
Speaker 7: So yeah, it was pretty good, but like I said,

866
00:42:37,074 --> 00:42:39,153
Speaker 7: only talk to a couple of guys. Yeah, of course,

867
00:42:39,154 --> 00:42:42,393
Speaker 7: we got Jonathan Jones, large contingent there, media pretty.

868
00:42:42,473 --> 00:42:44,594
Speaker 4: Decent, very much contingent today.

869
00:42:44,674 --> 00:42:46,234
Speaker 7: Yeah, and the press conferences.

870
00:42:46,354 --> 00:42:49,114
Speaker 4: I thought it was bigger than the last couple of Wednesday's.

871
00:42:49,114 --> 00:42:51,033
Speaker 4: Wednesday is always the biggest day because.

872
00:42:50,714 --> 00:42:53,674
Speaker 5: Fred that's when they give out the Chick fil A, Right,

873
00:42:54,794 --> 00:42:55,393
Speaker 5: that is right.

874
00:42:56,994 --> 00:42:59,314
Speaker 7: But yeah, I think I guess you guys probably touched upon.

875
00:42:59,234 --> 00:43:01,953
Speaker 5: Well we talked about that. What what was your impressions

876
00:43:01,953 --> 00:43:03,114
Speaker 5: of the draw today?

877
00:43:04,274 --> 00:43:05,993
Speaker 7: He was fine. I mean, you know, I just think

878
00:43:05,994 --> 00:43:08,194
Speaker 7: he's he's, you know, trying to get through these and

879
00:43:08,274 --> 00:43:10,873
Speaker 7: I mean I think he's just as uh not sick

880
00:43:10,913 --> 00:43:13,074
Speaker 7: of them. But I just you know, it just gets repetitive,

881
00:43:13,114 --> 00:43:14,354
Speaker 7: like what do you want him to say? He's not

882
00:43:14,354 --> 00:43:16,074
Speaker 7: going to come out with the grand answer today of

883
00:43:16,714 --> 00:43:18,673
Speaker 7: you know, it's just we've got to stay the course.

884
00:43:18,714 --> 00:43:20,393
Speaker 7: We've got to finish strong, we gotta stay bought in,

885
00:43:20,473 --> 00:43:23,914
Speaker 7: we gotta uh stay focused. But I liked what Dietrich

886
00:43:23,913 --> 00:43:27,154
Speaker 7: Wise had to say. Just was asked specifically about Mayo

887
00:43:27,194 --> 00:43:28,953
Speaker 7: getting involved with the defense. I think that's been a

888
00:43:28,994 --> 00:43:30,674
Speaker 7: question we've all kind of asked, like, you know, you

889
00:43:30,674 --> 00:43:33,274
Speaker 7: don't necessarily see him always on the sideline doing that.

890
00:43:33,274 --> 00:43:35,834
Speaker 7: But Dietrick Wise said, you know, in the meeting rooms,

891
00:43:35,834 --> 00:43:37,473
Speaker 7: that's what he does. He you know, he gets in

892
00:43:37,514 --> 00:43:39,993
Speaker 7: there like he's the linebacker again, and you know, kind

893
00:43:39,994 --> 00:43:43,314
Speaker 7: of coaches from the player's perspective, which we've heard a

894
00:43:43,314 --> 00:43:45,913
Speaker 7: million times since he got hired, that the players appreciate

895
00:43:46,433 --> 00:43:48,194
Speaker 7: having a coach who played, who knows what it's like

896
00:43:48,194 --> 00:43:50,314
Speaker 7: to play through injury, and also you know, can relay

897
00:43:50,354 --> 00:43:51,993
Speaker 7: what he would see on the field and how they

898
00:43:51,994 --> 00:43:54,154
Speaker 7: need to communicate. So I that was one highlight for me.

899
00:43:54,314 --> 00:43:56,794
Speaker 7: Just Okay, interesting little detail there from from Dietrich.

900
00:43:56,794 --> 00:44:00,034
Speaker 5: Wise, we were talking about Paul and I about whether

901
00:44:00,154 --> 00:44:03,274
Speaker 5: or not there's any merit in seeing some Joe Milton

902
00:44:03,913 --> 00:44:05,154
Speaker 5: these this last stretch.

903
00:44:06,714 --> 00:44:08,873
Speaker 7: I mean, I don't know. I mean like I could

904
00:44:08,873 --> 00:44:10,473
Speaker 7: see a scenario where it gets down to the end

905
00:44:10,514 --> 00:44:12,913
Speaker 7: and maybe you're just like Mandrick's getting battered out there,

906
00:44:12,913 --> 00:44:14,554
Speaker 7: like just let's give Joe a couple of snaps. I

907
00:44:14,594 --> 00:44:17,873
Speaker 7: could see some value in that for sure, because let's

908
00:44:17,913 --> 00:44:19,314
Speaker 7: face it, if these guys are going to be together

909
00:44:19,354 --> 00:44:21,033
Speaker 7: for the next few years, you never know when it's

910
00:44:21,074 --> 00:44:23,433
Speaker 7: going to be Joe Milton's time. So if it does

911
00:44:23,473 --> 00:44:26,433
Speaker 7: get to the point where it's zero degrees out there

912
00:44:26,514 --> 00:44:28,754
Speaker 7: and at Oliver keeps landing on top of take, may

913
00:44:28,913 --> 00:44:30,754
Speaker 7: you know it might be like, hey, let's because if you.

914
00:44:30,714 --> 00:44:32,634
Speaker 4: Think about it, like if you if you want a

915
00:44:32,714 --> 00:44:38,433
Speaker 4: veteran backup quarterback, So let's just say on the low end,

916
00:44:38,514 --> 00:44:43,074
Speaker 4: that's five million dollars. Like, so it's not just nothing.

917
00:44:43,194 --> 00:44:45,114
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not saying it's a huge difference makeup,

918
00:44:45,114 --> 00:44:48,393
Speaker 4: but it's not nothing. So do you do you want

919
00:44:48,393 --> 00:44:49,993
Speaker 4: to make that investment because you don't want to get

920
00:44:49,994 --> 00:44:52,314
Speaker 4: in a situation where you get to like training camp

921
00:44:52,314 --> 00:44:55,074
Speaker 4: and you're like, you know what, we need a veteran presence.

922
00:44:55,114 --> 00:44:57,114
Speaker 4: You don't want to be scramming around. You want a

923
00:44:57,114 --> 00:44:59,593
Speaker 4: guy that can come in and be part of your

924
00:44:59,594 --> 00:45:03,034
Speaker 4: offense throughout the off season, you know, as the backup.

925
00:45:03,554 --> 00:45:05,754
Speaker 4: I brought up something similar to what you said, Mike,

926
00:45:05,834 --> 00:45:08,953
Speaker 4: you know, kind of splitting Fred's like play them or not.

927
00:45:09,714 --> 00:45:12,274
Speaker 4: I think it's too important to continue to play Drake

928
00:45:12,354 --> 00:45:15,913
Speaker 4: May Yeah, me too. But like like Sunday, and I

929
00:45:15,953 --> 00:45:17,433
Speaker 4: did think of this, and I don't think I ever

930
00:45:17,433 --> 00:45:19,834
Speaker 4: said it out loud to you. You were in a

931
00:45:19,873 --> 00:45:21,953
Speaker 4: bad place. I didn't want to. I didn't want to

932
00:45:21,953 --> 00:45:25,393
Speaker 4: disrupt you. So it's twenty three to three, with eight

933
00:45:25,433 --> 00:45:28,913
Speaker 4: minutes left. I think there's value in May going out

934
00:45:28,913 --> 00:45:31,114
Speaker 4: there and you're going to play some hurry up here.

935
00:45:31,154 --> 00:45:33,274
Speaker 4: Let's see what happens. Puts together a nice drive, they

936
00:45:33,274 --> 00:45:36,434
Speaker 4: get out and they score a touchdown. Arizona immediately responds

937
00:45:36,433 --> 00:45:39,154
Speaker 4: by getting that touchdown right back. I thought about it, like,

938
00:45:39,473 --> 00:45:41,473
Speaker 4: why not Joe Milton here. There's probably like four or

939
00:45:41,473 --> 00:45:44,153
Speaker 4: five minutes left at that time. You know, maybe put

940
00:45:44,194 --> 00:45:46,473
Speaker 4: Joe Milton in there and give him that same kind

941
00:45:46,473 --> 00:45:48,993
Speaker 4: of thing, because at this point the game's over and

942
00:45:49,034 --> 00:45:53,873
Speaker 4: you're only you know, you got the experience of that

943
00:45:53,994 --> 00:45:56,234
Speaker 4: kind of a hurry up drive and a catch up mode.

944
00:45:56,274 --> 00:45:58,553
Speaker 4: You got that for Drake May. Did he need two

945
00:45:58,594 --> 00:45:58,913
Speaker 4: of them?

946
00:45:59,154 --> 00:45:59,354
Speaker 10: Now?

947
00:45:59,754 --> 00:46:01,513
Speaker 4: You ended up keeping him in You got another one

948
00:46:02,074 --> 00:46:05,033
Speaker 4: another touchdown. So it's not like it's bad. But I

949
00:46:05,074 --> 00:46:07,674
Speaker 4: did think maybe Joe Milton there, and if you get

950
00:46:07,714 --> 00:46:10,913
Speaker 4: a situation like that in these last three games where

951
00:46:10,953 --> 00:46:14,033
Speaker 4: you're down three touchdowns in the fourth quarter and you

952
00:46:14,034 --> 00:46:16,594
Speaker 4: know it's not just mop up, like it's like eight minutes,

953
00:46:16,674 --> 00:46:19,433
Speaker 4: like you can actually run a drive. Maybe Milton can

954
00:46:19,473 --> 00:46:20,593
Speaker 4: benefit from that. I don't know.

955
00:46:20,674 --> 00:46:22,754
Speaker 7: And a little thrown a little boat into Joe Milton,

956
00:46:22,794 --> 00:46:24,473
Speaker 7: who sounds like he's been doing a great job on

957
00:46:24,554 --> 00:46:27,594
Speaker 7: the practice getting guys ready, so I wouldn't be opposed

958
00:46:27,634 --> 00:46:29,794
Speaker 7: to it. I'd also just point out I think Reese

959
00:46:29,834 --> 00:46:32,114
Speaker 7: either this weekend or last talked about Jacoby Brissett and

960
00:46:32,194 --> 00:46:33,994
Speaker 7: that they initially wanted him for two years.

961
00:46:34,034 --> 00:46:36,513
Speaker 4: We did talk, so I don't think he'll be back

962
00:46:36,554 --> 00:46:38,474
Speaker 4: based based on those comments.

963
00:46:38,594 --> 00:46:40,514
Speaker 7: And like, to your point, how do you feel about

964
00:46:40,594 --> 00:46:42,674
Speaker 7: Joe Milton. Maybe get a little bit of a sample

965
00:46:42,714 --> 00:46:43,513
Speaker 7: size on him, you.

966
00:46:43,473 --> 00:46:46,274
Speaker 4: Know, if they're convinced like, oh, he's more than capable

967
00:46:46,274 --> 00:46:50,474
Speaker 4: of being the backup quarterback next year? Not fine? Yeah fine,

968
00:46:50,674 --> 00:46:52,314
Speaker 4: I find it hard to believe they have anything to

969
00:46:52,354 --> 00:46:52,873
Speaker 4: base that on.

970
00:46:53,074 --> 00:46:56,554
Speaker 7: Yeah, just let him on cork one up there, eighty yards.

971
00:46:56,634 --> 00:46:57,394
Speaker 4: Yeah.

972
00:46:56,913 --> 00:47:00,314
Speaker 5: So I just looked at the forecast. It has gone

973
00:47:00,354 --> 00:47:05,674
Speaker 5: down high of thirteen, low of seven now, so it's

974
00:47:06,433 --> 00:47:07,754
Speaker 5: getting worse. See.

975
00:47:07,754 --> 00:47:09,674
Speaker 7: I like Drake's response today when he because he kind

976
00:47:09,674 --> 00:47:11,073
Speaker 7: of brushed it off. He was like, and I don't

977
00:47:11,074 --> 00:47:12,714
Speaker 7: know about those numbers done in North Carolina.

978
00:47:12,754 --> 00:47:13,314
Speaker 5: Doesn't get down.

979
00:47:13,393 --> 00:47:14,874
Speaker 4: He was like, that throw.

980
00:47:17,034 --> 00:47:19,634
Speaker 7: Even more to Carolina than I have, but but he

981
00:47:19,714 --> 00:47:20,513
Speaker 7: kind of shrugged it off.

982
00:47:20,514 --> 00:47:22,594
Speaker 4: I like that because I thought you would be upset

983
00:47:22,634 --> 00:47:24,113
Speaker 4: because you said he was going to have to don

984
00:47:24,114 --> 00:47:26,034
Speaker 4: the sleeves for the first time. That you don't like

985
00:47:26,234 --> 00:47:28,354
Speaker 4: the scuba hood, that's what Brady did.

986
00:47:28,393 --> 00:47:29,113
Speaker 5: I don't want the hood.

987
00:47:29,234 --> 00:47:31,073
Speaker 4: Brady had the Scooba. I hated it.

988
00:47:31,114 --> 00:47:33,073
Speaker 7: I hated it so much for him.

989
00:47:33,194 --> 00:47:36,194
Speaker 4: He just hated Brady so much. It's amazing. How did

990
00:47:36,234 --> 00:47:38,873
Speaker 4: you fall so in love with the team that Brady

991
00:47:38,953 --> 00:47:41,634
Speaker 4: won so many games for? But just staying.

992
00:47:41,514 --> 00:47:44,594
Speaker 7: Brady, I can't understand if you're alignment.

993
00:47:44,634 --> 00:47:47,594
Speaker 4: It's like I'm going to game game recognized game. I

994
00:47:47,634 --> 00:47:47,953
Speaker 4: get it.

995
00:47:48,034 --> 00:47:52,634
Speaker 5: If you're a skill position player, comfort physical comfort is important,

996
00:47:52,674 --> 00:47:55,674
Speaker 5: then you can perform better. Like don't deny it, like

997
00:47:56,634 --> 00:48:00,114
Speaker 5: try to, you know, get yourself as comfortable as possible physically.

998
00:48:00,554 --> 00:48:02,754
Speaker 7: I agree with that sentiment. I just I don't. I

999
00:48:02,794 --> 00:48:05,154
Speaker 7: don't care for the look of the the scuba hood.

1000
00:48:05,314 --> 00:48:06,953
Speaker 5: The look that's just all about the look.

1001
00:48:07,514 --> 00:48:09,513
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I don't know. I think Mac ruined it

1002
00:48:09,514 --> 00:48:10,954
Speaker 7: for me too when he wore it up in Buffalo

1003
00:48:11,034 --> 00:48:13,314
Speaker 7: and it was like the helmet looked kind of sideways,

1004
00:48:13,393 --> 00:48:15,033
Speaker 7: and he just looked like, first of all.

1005
00:48:16,433 --> 00:48:17,954
Speaker 5: He doesn't just got his brain stock.

1006
00:48:18,074 --> 00:48:21,754
Speaker 4: He doesn't look good in a uniform. Started it out.

1007
00:48:22,154 --> 00:48:26,513
Speaker 4: It was more of and I remember this from Arizona

1008
00:48:26,554 --> 00:48:29,473
Speaker 4: when they came here in eight, the Matt Castle year.

1009
00:48:29,834 --> 00:48:32,674
Speaker 4: It was snowing and Kurt Warner came out and it

1010
00:48:32,714 --> 00:48:34,473
Speaker 4: was a and I said it to Fred, I said

1011
00:48:34,514 --> 00:48:37,913
Speaker 4: it to Andy. I said, he just looks cold. Like

1012
00:48:37,994 --> 00:48:39,433
Speaker 4: it was like that. You know when you're cold and

1013
00:48:39,473 --> 00:48:42,794
Speaker 4: you you crunch your shoulders up. That's how Kurt Warner

1014
00:48:42,834 --> 00:48:44,714
Speaker 4: came on the field that day. Oh and oh, by

1015
00:48:44,794 --> 00:48:47,473
Speaker 4: the way, forty seven to seven, like there was no

1016
00:48:47,634 --> 00:48:49,993
Speaker 4: The Cardinals had no chance that day. And when I

1017
00:48:50,034 --> 00:48:53,953
Speaker 4: watched Mac Jones come out on that wind game, the

1018
00:48:54,034 --> 00:48:58,913
Speaker 4: three to nothing, the three pass game, Yeah, he came

1019
00:48:58,953 --> 00:49:00,794
Speaker 4: out and I just looked at Mike, I go, look

1020
00:49:00,873 --> 00:49:03,154
Speaker 4: how cold he looks. And then the playoff game, it

1021
00:49:03,274 --> 00:49:05,834
Speaker 4: was like, oh he had no chance.

1022
00:49:06,194 --> 00:49:09,514
Speaker 5: Buzz up there, tough, Well, males played in some cold games,

1023
00:49:09,514 --> 00:49:11,994
Speaker 5: so he can give them some tips.

1024
00:49:12,194 --> 00:49:15,033
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, get warm, but yeah, we'll see, we'll see

1025
00:49:15,034 --> 00:49:17,154
Speaker 7: how pop does they Just did you know? It wasn't

1026
00:49:17,194 --> 00:49:19,514
Speaker 7: inspiring confidence. We're like, man, it's gonna be cold.

1027
00:49:19,674 --> 00:49:24,994
Speaker 4: Here's another one that you remember. So there was questions

1028
00:49:25,034 --> 00:49:28,114
Speaker 4: that Andrew Callahan was asking about Josh Allen and he

1029
00:49:28,154 --> 00:49:31,754
Speaker 4: seemed to have the line of demarcation in twenty one, Yeah,

1030
00:49:31,834 --> 00:49:33,634
Speaker 4: when they played him three times and you know, the

1031
00:49:33,714 --> 00:49:35,473
Speaker 4: last two times he lit them up. They didn't punt

1032
00:49:35,554 --> 00:49:38,873
Speaker 4: the last two times. Do you recall what happened in

1033
00:49:38,873 --> 00:49:41,633
Speaker 4: twenty twenty when they played Josh Allen like, I don't

1034
00:49:41,674 --> 00:49:45,473
Speaker 4: know why they they picked like twenty one. Like in

1035
00:49:45,514 --> 00:49:51,274
Speaker 4: twenty twenty was the Monday night game here when Lewis

1036
00:49:51,393 --> 00:49:54,754
Speaker 4: Riddick and I think Brian Greasy at the time, we're

1037
00:49:54,913 --> 00:49:58,513
Speaker 4: talking all about how Bill Belichick believes that he can

1038
00:49:58,514 --> 00:50:00,634
Speaker 4: shut down Josh Allen blah blah blah blah blah, and

1039
00:50:00,913 --> 00:50:02,714
Speaker 4: it was like the inference was like what you were

1040
00:50:02,714 --> 00:50:05,193
Speaker 4: saying with Ross Tucker this week, Well, this is stuff

1041
00:50:05,234 --> 00:50:07,274
Speaker 4: they must have gotten from the production meeting, and then

1042
00:50:07,354 --> 00:50:09,473
Speaker 4: he just lit them up. I remember that night. I

1043
00:50:09,473 --> 00:50:11,554
Speaker 4: do not. I almost died during the pregame.

1044
00:50:11,674 --> 00:50:13,794
Speaker 7: No, I know you missed that one. I also remember

1045
00:50:13,794 --> 00:50:16,874
Speaker 7: the game before it where I think didn't Jonathan Jones

1046
00:50:16,953 --> 00:50:18,914
Speaker 7: can cuss Josh Allen at that point.

1047
00:50:18,794 --> 00:50:21,834
Speaker 4: Or maybe that was I think that was nineteen collision.

1048
00:50:21,834 --> 00:50:23,754
Speaker 7: I do remember twenty they won m Newton, they won

1049
00:50:23,953 --> 00:50:27,234
Speaker 7: in Buffalo or Cam new and fumbled, which again still

1050
00:50:27,234 --> 00:50:29,393
Speaker 7: getting a lot of emails about Cam Newton from one

1051
00:50:29,433 --> 00:50:32,194
Speaker 7: particular person. I don't know if you get those spreads

1052
00:50:32,194 --> 00:50:35,434
Speaker 7: by yeah, ooh boy, yeah, get a life people.

1053
00:50:35,514 --> 00:50:37,914
Speaker 4: I mean, come on, person, Yeah, they't a life. Person,

1054
00:50:38,074 --> 00:50:38,714
Speaker 4: Get a life.

1055
00:50:39,154 --> 00:50:41,314
Speaker 5: A five to five past five hundred. Let's get back

1056
00:50:41,314 --> 00:50:44,593
Speaker 5: to the tpx houtline. Mark's in Connecticut. What's up? Mark?

1057
00:50:46,114 --> 00:50:46,354
Speaker 11: Hey?

1058
00:50:46,433 --> 00:50:46,714
Speaker 2: Fred?

1059
00:50:46,794 --> 00:50:49,473
Speaker 9: Kind of along the same lines of what you were

1060
00:50:49,514 --> 00:50:53,993
Speaker 9: talking now, I am not impressed with Bagerian Lowe at

1061
00:50:53,994 --> 00:50:57,394
Speaker 9: all this entire season. And I know Gerrod keeps saying,

1062
00:50:57,754 --> 00:51:00,194
Speaker 9: you know what he's doing the best that he can. Well,

1063
00:51:00,514 --> 00:51:02,834
Speaker 9: you know me at my job, I mean, if I'm

1064
00:51:02,834 --> 00:51:05,553
Speaker 9: not doing what I am supposed to be doing, I'm

1065
00:51:05,554 --> 00:51:07,673
Speaker 9: not going to have a job anymore. And I kind

1066
00:51:07,674 --> 00:51:10,114
Speaker 9: of feel like along those lines for Vaderian Lowe, he

1067
00:51:10,234 --> 00:51:13,874
Speaker 9: just hasn't lived up to what we need. And there's

1068
00:51:13,913 --> 00:51:17,234
Speaker 9: got to be another player like Caleb Jones that's on

1069
00:51:17,314 --> 00:51:20,034
Speaker 9: the practice squad. That's six nine that I've called on before.

1070
00:51:20,913 --> 00:51:22,714
Speaker 9: The size of this guy, I mean, put the kid

1071
00:51:22,714 --> 00:51:26,114
Speaker 9: out there. It's experimental time. You got three games left.

1072
00:51:26,314 --> 00:51:29,754
Speaker 9: You're not fighting for any playoff position or anything. Let's

1073
00:51:29,754 --> 00:51:32,754
Speaker 9: see what other guys have, at least for the future.

1074
00:51:33,674 --> 00:51:36,714
Speaker 5: Well, listen, I agree with you. If you're not doing

1075
00:51:36,754 --> 00:51:40,874
Speaker 5: your job, you know management needs to make a change.

1076
00:51:40,913 --> 00:51:43,674
Speaker 5: But here I don't think they think that there is

1077
00:51:43,714 --> 00:51:46,913
Speaker 5: a better solution. Honestly, I think if Caleb Jones they

1078
00:51:46,953 --> 00:51:51,513
Speaker 5: thought could do as good or better, he'd be out there.

1079
00:51:51,834 --> 00:51:53,714
Speaker 5: But you know, you have to worry about Drake May.

1080
00:51:53,754 --> 00:51:55,634
Speaker 5: You can't just put anyone out there right now. And

1081
00:51:55,674 --> 00:51:59,514
Speaker 5: if you think Caleb Jones isn't as good as low

1082
00:51:59,953 --> 00:52:01,794
Speaker 5: you can't put him out there just to see at

1083
00:52:01,794 --> 00:52:04,433
Speaker 5: this point because you have to worry about Drake May.

1084
00:52:05,393 --> 00:52:07,874
Speaker 5: But I you know, listen, if there was a better

1085
00:52:07,913 --> 00:52:10,953
Speaker 5: solution than Viderian Lowe right now, you'd be seeing it,

1086
00:52:11,354 --> 00:52:16,553
Speaker 5: I guarantee you. But that's the problem. There isn't. Yeah,

1087
00:52:16,554 --> 00:52:18,674
Speaker 5: they didn't go into the season thinking low was going

1088
00:52:18,754 --> 00:52:20,794
Speaker 5: to be the guy. He wasn't supposed to be the guy.

1089
00:52:22,234 --> 00:52:26,674
Speaker 6: And he's all that's left. He's all that's left.

1090
00:52:26,754 --> 00:52:29,034
Speaker 5: So we're we're in a pickle when it comes to

1091
00:52:29,114 --> 00:52:30,993
Speaker 5: left tackle, and it's not something they're going to be

1092
00:52:31,354 --> 00:52:32,674
Speaker 5: able to address this season.

1093
00:52:32,714 --> 00:52:34,434
Speaker 9: Is there going to be a lot of free agents

1094
00:52:34,473 --> 00:52:37,074
Speaker 9: that could potentially take over that position.

1095
00:52:37,354 --> 00:52:39,873
Speaker 5: They'll be guys, they'll be you know, they're not going

1096
00:52:39,913 --> 00:52:44,434
Speaker 5: to be studs as free agents, but there'll be people

1097
00:52:44,433 --> 00:52:47,873
Speaker 5: who have played the position at a competent level. And

1098
00:52:48,034 --> 00:52:49,114
Speaker 5: Elliott Wolf that's.

1099
00:52:49,034 --> 00:52:51,754
Speaker 9: That number three pick. I'd rist them picked Travis Hunter

1100
00:52:52,473 --> 00:52:55,554
Speaker 9: and get the tackle position in the free agency.

1101
00:52:55,754 --> 00:52:57,874
Speaker 5: I kind of agree with you, or a second round

1102
00:52:57,953 --> 00:53:00,073
Speaker 5: or something, but I kind of agree with you. At

1103
00:53:00,114 --> 00:53:03,394
Speaker 5: least have a veteran on the roster who has played

1104
00:53:03,433 --> 00:53:06,913
Speaker 5: the position at at a competent level in the NFL,

1105
00:53:07,393 --> 00:53:09,154
Speaker 5: you know exactly, And thank you.

1106
00:53:09,433 --> 00:53:12,113
Speaker 9: I appreciate it, and Merry Christmas and all you guys.

1107
00:53:12,154 --> 00:53:13,794
Speaker 4: All right, thank you, Mark, thank you.

1108
00:53:14,634 --> 00:53:18,754
Speaker 5: Let's go to uh Danny in Daytona. What's up, Danny?

1109
00:53:20,433 --> 00:53:25,473
Speaker 11: Can you guys hear me? Yes we can, yeah, yeah, yes,

1110
00:53:25,514 --> 00:53:27,953
Speaker 11: I'm just calling in. Tried to get in yesterday. I

1111
00:53:27,953 --> 00:53:32,033
Speaker 11: guess it was pretty busy. So I have some couple

1112
00:53:32,034 --> 00:53:35,913
Speaker 11: of takes, some uh some some solutions to the Patriots

1113
00:53:36,034 --> 00:53:40,473
Speaker 11: dilemmas they've been plaguing them all year. You know, I've

1114
00:53:40,473 --> 00:53:42,433
Speaker 11: been harping and beating at the drum about all the

1115
00:53:42,473 --> 00:53:45,433
Speaker 11: problems they have. But I think now at this point,

1116
00:53:45,873 --> 00:53:48,194
Speaker 11: this time of the year, instead of just creating all

1117
00:53:48,194 --> 00:53:50,714
Speaker 11: these you know, people coming up with all this craziness,

1118
00:53:51,034 --> 00:53:53,034
Speaker 11: I think the solution that you, you and Paul have

1119
00:53:53,154 --> 00:53:55,834
Speaker 11: just talked about briefly. And I was just reading on

1120
00:53:55,873 --> 00:53:59,834
Speaker 11: Sports Illustrated earlier, uh two days ago, and then I

1121
00:53:59,953 --> 00:54:04,754
Speaker 11: was watching Tom Currn's podcast The Chef's Day. They have

1122
00:54:04,834 --> 00:54:08,474
Speaker 11: to have a team president, telling you all these successful organizations.

1123
00:54:08,514 --> 00:54:09,873
Speaker 11: If you look at the Bears, they got a team

1124
00:54:09,873 --> 00:54:15,194
Speaker 11: president you're looking for. Even the sorry Cowboys, they got

1125
00:54:15,194 --> 00:54:17,473
Speaker 11: a team president. Even though Jerry Jones is running the show.

1126
00:54:17,834 --> 00:54:19,914
Speaker 11: His son's to the president, and they got others.

1127
00:54:20,074 --> 00:54:22,073
Speaker 3: They have an actual GM but.

1128
00:54:22,154 --> 00:54:24,873
Speaker 11: Not by title. He's running the show. So all these

1129
00:54:25,274 --> 00:54:27,634
Speaker 11: you know, organizations around the league, they have a person

1130
00:54:27,834 --> 00:54:31,954
Speaker 11: that's in charge of football operations. They gave this phony

1131
00:54:32,034 --> 00:54:35,994
Speaker 11: title to Elliott Wolf. The guy's in over his head.

1132
00:54:36,514 --> 00:54:36,754
Speaker 2: You know.

1133
00:54:37,354 --> 00:54:40,073
Speaker 11: The solution to that is fine. You want to keep

1134
00:54:40,074 --> 00:54:41,274
Speaker 11: Elliott Wolff, you don't want.

1135
00:54:41,114 --> 00:54:42,234
Speaker 9: To find That's fine.

1136
00:54:42,433 --> 00:54:44,754
Speaker 11: He needs to have a babysitter, he needs to be

1137
00:54:44,794 --> 00:54:47,473
Speaker 11: able to answer somebody. You want to keep Gerond Mayo,

1138
00:54:47,754 --> 00:54:53,154
Speaker 11: that's fine, he also needs to behave a babysitter. He

1139
00:54:53,154 --> 00:54:56,553
Speaker 11: he's making the team look like a like the New

1140
00:54:56,634 --> 00:54:58,754
Speaker 11: York Jets. They look like he looks like a buff

1141
00:54:58,754 --> 00:55:01,274
Speaker 11: whom you know, the head coach is supposed to be

1142
00:55:01,794 --> 00:55:04,754
Speaker 11: the spokesperson for the team. And people look at the

1143
00:55:04,834 --> 00:55:07,953
Speaker 11: New England Patriots and they see the New York Jets.

1144
00:55:08,354 --> 00:55:13,074
Speaker 11: They see a dysfunctional ownership meddling in and everything. They

1145
00:55:13,154 --> 00:55:15,994
Speaker 11: see a head coach who doesn't even know what to say.

1146
00:55:16,953 --> 00:55:20,234
Speaker 11: They see a GM who can't even draft. It's terrible,

1147
00:55:20,873 --> 00:55:21,674
Speaker 11: and then they you.

1148
00:55:21,634 --> 00:55:28,953
Speaker 5: Know, you know, yeah, all right, thanks for the call. Yeah,

1149
00:55:29,393 --> 00:55:32,674
Speaker 5: So thinking about that football czar, but.

1150
00:55:32,794 --> 00:55:35,033
Speaker 4: I think that his problem is with the individuals that

1151
00:55:35,074 --> 00:55:38,714
Speaker 4: are in place, not with the title. It's not a

1152
00:55:38,834 --> 00:55:41,474
Speaker 4: phony and Elliott Wolf doesn't have a phony baloney title

1153
00:55:41,794 --> 00:55:44,314
Speaker 4: you have. You have a problem with Elliott Wolf's choices, right,

1154
00:55:44,714 --> 00:55:47,794
Speaker 4: Like that's and I'm not saying he's wrong. And I

1155
00:55:47,834 --> 00:55:48,993
Speaker 4: don't think Elliott Wolf had a.

1156
00:55:48,913 --> 00:55:52,154
Speaker 5: Great year, you know, so in his world, this football

1157
00:55:52,154 --> 00:55:53,954
Speaker 5: czar has all the answers.

1158
00:55:53,634 --> 00:55:56,354
Speaker 4: Right, But like the footballs are in New England, is

1159
00:55:56,393 --> 00:56:00,073
Speaker 4: Elliott Wolf? Like again, you obviously don't like the.

1160
00:56:00,114 --> 00:56:02,754
Speaker 5: Choice, but but does Gerard.

1161
00:56:03,754 --> 00:56:07,633
Speaker 4: Yes, it's was written in the release. Elliott Wolf has

1162
00:56:07,714 --> 00:56:10,513
Speaker 4: final say over the fifty three that specifically is in

1163
00:56:10,714 --> 00:56:15,513
Speaker 4: the release. So he's in charge of the players. Correct, Yeah, Well,

1164
00:56:15,554 --> 00:56:17,554
Speaker 4: I mean, what do you like we can have another

1165
00:56:17,634 --> 00:56:19,633
Speaker 4: guy who was in charge of.

1166
00:56:19,594 --> 00:56:22,594
Speaker 5: But there's also the game plan. There's also that's coaching.

1167
00:56:22,834 --> 00:56:24,913
Speaker 4: That's not a GM football zar is not going to

1168
00:56:24,913 --> 00:56:26,034
Speaker 4: be in arge of gameplay.

1169
00:56:26,194 --> 00:56:29,513
Speaker 5: I think. I think in Danny's it's all I have it.

1170
00:56:29,714 --> 00:56:32,513
Speaker 4: This is another problem I have with Danny. All the

1171
00:56:32,554 --> 00:56:37,714
Speaker 4: successful teams Chicago not successful, Dallas not successful, San Francisco

1172
00:56:37,953 --> 00:56:41,033
Speaker 4: six and eight and wildly underachieving. Now I'll give you

1173
00:56:41,074 --> 00:56:45,074
Speaker 4: San Francisco's a successful organization, but John Lynch does not

1174
00:56:45,354 --> 00:56:49,594
Speaker 4: put the game plan together. John Lynch is procuring players

1175
00:56:49,834 --> 00:56:54,073
Speaker 4: for Kyle Shanahan. That's the way most teams do it, right, Yep.

1176
00:56:54,154 --> 00:56:55,794
Speaker 7: It's not the structure of the front office. To me,

1177
00:56:55,873 --> 00:56:57,674
Speaker 7: like it's just it's the player, it's the guys, it's

1178
00:56:57,714 --> 00:56:59,193
Speaker 7: the people that are in the jobs and the people

1179
00:56:59,194 --> 00:57:01,393
Speaker 7: that are picking and it just this reeks to me

1180
00:57:01,433 --> 00:57:03,713
Speaker 7: of kind of like take GM duties away from Bill

1181
00:57:03,794 --> 00:57:05,873
Speaker 7: and bring a GM into if.

1182
00:57:05,754 --> 00:57:08,754
Speaker 4: You want to have a guy in charge of everything, fine.

1183
00:57:08,473 --> 00:57:09,834
Speaker 7: And what are you going to do? Bring somebody in

1184
00:57:09,834 --> 00:57:10,873
Speaker 7: to watch them next year?

1185
00:57:10,913 --> 00:57:17,634
Speaker 4: So so now you're basically making Elliott wolf Is now

1186
00:57:17,874 --> 00:57:20,594
Speaker 4: like the head of scouting newter. I mean, he's the

1187
00:57:20,634 --> 00:57:23,034
Speaker 4: head of scouting and he's doing all your work for you.

1188
00:57:23,474 --> 00:57:28,754
Speaker 4: But ultimately, in your scenario, Scott Pioli is in charge, right,

1189
00:57:29,434 --> 00:57:31,514
Speaker 4: but he's Scott Pioli is not going to put the

1190
00:57:31,514 --> 00:57:35,834
Speaker 4: game plan together on Sundays the coach is. So I mean,

1191
00:57:35,874 --> 00:57:38,834
Speaker 4: I know there's a title for everything nowadays. Now and

1192
00:57:38,834 --> 00:57:41,514
Speaker 4: then you can have a president of Football Operations neat

1193
00:57:41,874 --> 00:57:43,394
Speaker 4: and what does that mean? What does that do?

1194
00:57:43,554 --> 00:57:45,794
Speaker 5: And there's a million ways to skin the cat. You know,

1195
00:57:46,434 --> 00:57:50,274
Speaker 5: every team has some type of variance in how they're structured,

1196
00:57:50,714 --> 00:57:53,314
Speaker 5: and whether or not they win or not has more

1197
00:57:53,314 --> 00:57:55,593
Speaker 5: to do with the players they have than anything out right.

1198
00:57:55,674 --> 00:57:59,754
Speaker 4: And that's why I'm not criticizing Danny the caller Danny

1199
00:57:59,754 --> 00:58:03,474
Speaker 4: from Daytona for suggesting they need better, because they do

1200
00:58:03,514 --> 00:58:06,073
Speaker 4: need better. They need better coaching and better personnel moves

1201
00:58:06,074 --> 00:58:08,754
Speaker 4: than they made in year one. And if it doesn't improve,

1202
00:58:09,274 --> 00:58:11,354
Speaker 4: I don't think we'll be having conversations about whether or

1203
00:58:11,394 --> 00:58:12,554
Speaker 4: not they'll be back for year.

1204
00:58:12,354 --> 00:58:16,274
Speaker 7: Three, no question. Just going back to the previous call

1205
00:58:16,314 --> 00:58:18,194
Speaker 7: real quick, I thought, maybe Ben Brown, maybe this is

1206
00:58:18,194 --> 00:58:21,034
Speaker 7: the week, maybe cold strange in that, you know, maybe

1207
00:58:21,074 --> 00:58:23,634
Speaker 7: he was talking about Venerian Lowe, who I think my

1208
00:58:23,674 --> 00:58:26,234
Speaker 7: frustration with Venerian Lowe is just that, and we heard

1209
00:58:26,354 --> 00:58:28,034
Speaker 7: from him all summer, like he just seems like a

1210
00:58:28,034 --> 00:58:29,674
Speaker 7: guy who really wants to get it right and it

1211
00:58:29,714 --> 00:58:31,674
Speaker 7: is really hard on himself, and you know, so you

1212
00:58:31,674 --> 00:58:33,314
Speaker 7: give him a little bit of the benefit of the doubt.

1213
00:58:33,314 --> 00:58:35,354
Speaker 7: But the hard thing is just when he's making mental

1214
00:58:35,354 --> 00:58:37,954
Speaker 7: mistakes that like, this is the stuff that should be

1215
00:58:37,994 --> 00:58:40,554
Speaker 7: cleaned up, and for Ben Brown to kind of start

1216
00:58:40,594 --> 00:58:42,514
Speaker 7: with the all of a sudden the snaps don't look good,

1217
00:58:42,514 --> 00:58:44,154
Speaker 7: which comes from I know, I.

1218
00:58:44,074 --> 00:58:45,593
Speaker 5: Haven't done it all up until now.

1219
00:58:45,834 --> 00:58:47,674
Speaker 7: He heard footsteps. I think you hear the cool strange

1220
00:58:47,674 --> 00:58:49,754
Speaker 7: sneaking up a Ham. I'm coming and get that job

1221
00:58:49,834 --> 00:58:50,234
Speaker 7: from you.

1222
00:58:51,114 --> 00:58:52,754
Speaker 5: Joe in New Hampshire. What's up Joe?

1223
00:58:54,514 --> 00:58:56,754
Speaker 12: Hey, guys, So you were just talking about it a

1224
00:58:56,794 --> 00:59:00,194
Speaker 12: little bit earlier. You were talking about all the rumers

1225
00:59:00,194 --> 00:59:04,474
Speaker 12: with Mayo's job, and the last caller brought up Elliott Wolf.

1226
00:59:05,234 --> 00:59:09,034
Speaker 12: I personally have a bigger issue with Elliott Wolf than

1227
00:59:09,074 --> 00:59:11,834
Speaker 12: I do Diraw Mayo and the rest of the coaching staff.

1228
00:59:12,594 --> 00:59:14,834
Speaker 12: I just don't think he's cut off with the job.

1229
00:59:14,914 --> 00:59:18,274
Speaker 12: The draft looks abysmal to this point, the free agency

1230
00:59:18,314 --> 00:59:23,914
Speaker 12: moves look abismal. So I'm even though I know if

1231
00:59:23,914 --> 00:59:26,794
Speaker 12: we get rid of Elliot Wolf will the new GM

1232
00:59:26,834 --> 00:59:29,034
Speaker 12: will bring in their own coaching staff. But I think

1233
00:59:29,274 --> 00:59:31,994
Speaker 12: Elliott Wilt could be more Soablame than Ron Mayo.

1234
00:59:33,394 --> 00:59:36,713
Speaker 4: Okay, I mean, I mean, I think it's about the same,

1235
00:59:36,794 --> 00:59:39,434
Speaker 4: But I mean I get it. I mean they didn't

1236
00:59:39,474 --> 00:59:40,914
Speaker 4: have they didn't have a good first Shyeah.

1237
00:59:40,954 --> 00:59:44,954
Speaker 5: What I don't know is how much say Elliott Wolf

1238
00:59:45,114 --> 00:59:48,674
Speaker 5: and or Matt grow had prior for this season, right,

1239
00:59:48,754 --> 00:59:53,074
Speaker 5: because you can say that they inherited, you know, not

1240
00:59:53,154 --> 00:59:57,834
Speaker 5: a very good roster. But were they partly in charge

1241
00:59:57,874 --> 01:00:00,914
Speaker 5: of creating that prior roster as well? I don't know

1242
01:00:00,954 --> 01:00:01,394
Speaker 5: the answer.

1243
01:00:01,434 --> 01:00:03,874
Speaker 4: I would say they were they were involved. Oh of course.

1244
01:00:04,594 --> 01:00:07,074
Speaker 4: You know, if we're going to give Mayo some slack

1245
01:00:07,194 --> 01:00:09,354
Speaker 4: for being a first timer, we have to you have

1246
01:00:09,434 --> 01:00:11,554
Speaker 4: to give Wolf the same thing, because this is the

1247
01:00:11,554 --> 01:00:13,794
Speaker 4: first time that he was in charge.

1248
01:00:14,034 --> 01:00:15,834
Speaker 7: I do think that's a great question, though, Fred just

1249
01:00:15,874 --> 01:00:18,314
Speaker 7: with because over those last couple drafts we heard more

1250
01:00:18,354 --> 01:00:21,194
Speaker 7: about the collaboration word and you know, Bill making sure

1251
01:00:21,234 --> 01:00:23,874
Speaker 7: everybody's okay with it. And I mean, I think you

1252
01:00:23,914 --> 01:00:26,874
Speaker 7: look a little differently at the current regime if you knew,

1253
01:00:26,954 --> 01:00:30,434
Speaker 7: like you know, and I'm just speculating, but Macro really

1254
01:00:30,474 --> 01:00:32,954
Speaker 7: wanted Cold Strange or Elliot Wolf was really banging the

1255
01:00:32,994 --> 01:00:35,194
Speaker 7: table for Taekwon Thornton, or you know all the misses

1256
01:00:35,194 --> 01:00:37,274
Speaker 7: that they've had in these couple of years where they

1257
01:00:37,274 --> 01:00:39,714
Speaker 7: were at least trying to give the appearance that Bill was,

1258
01:00:40,074 --> 01:00:43,074
Speaker 7: you know, letting more people have a say. Was that true?

1259
01:00:43,274 --> 01:00:45,514
Speaker 7: You know, were these drafts, like you said, really influenced

1260
01:00:45,514 --> 01:00:47,874
Speaker 7: by these guys And in that case, then then this

1261
01:00:47,954 --> 01:00:50,434
Speaker 7: draft would look like the cherry on top of like, yeah,

1262
01:00:50,474 --> 01:00:52,194
Speaker 7: this isn't right you now, But if it's this.

1263
01:00:52,234 --> 01:00:52,954
Speaker 4: Is their first one.

1264
01:00:52,994 --> 01:00:55,674
Speaker 7: And like to Paul's point, I think they checked the

1265
01:00:55,674 --> 01:00:58,994
Speaker 7: boxes like it wasn't like he didn't go off the

1266
01:00:59,434 --> 01:01:01,394
Speaker 7: reservation with you know, like oh, I'm gonna go take

1267
01:01:01,434 --> 01:01:02,994
Speaker 7: something we don't need, and you know, like the Bill

1268
01:01:02,994 --> 01:01:04,234
Speaker 7: stuff that we used to get on and when the

1269
01:01:04,314 --> 01:01:06,874
Speaker 7: draft were like this guy was way overdrafted. Like you

1270
01:01:06,914 --> 01:01:09,674
Speaker 7: can be critical that the Moose didn't work out. Certainly

1271
01:01:09,754 --> 01:01:11,874
Speaker 7: the kidon Wallace one where I think we can play

1272
01:01:11,914 --> 01:01:14,234
Speaker 7: left tackle. That's a stretch. But you know, at the time,

1273
01:01:14,274 --> 01:01:16,554
Speaker 7: it felt like mostly drafting guys where they were slotted

1274
01:01:16,554 --> 01:01:17,394
Speaker 7: and where they should go.

1275
01:01:17,554 --> 01:01:19,674
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't you know, and you guys, certainly

1276
01:01:19,714 --> 01:01:23,114
Speaker 4: I would. I'll bow to you and Evan. When it

1277
01:01:23,114 --> 01:01:25,594
Speaker 4: comes to projections, I felt like there were a couple,

1278
01:01:26,354 --> 01:01:29,154
Speaker 4: but not the high ones, like Cayden Wallace as an examples.

1279
01:01:29,154 --> 01:01:30,754
Speaker 4: A lot of people said it was a fifth round pick,

1280
01:01:32,274 --> 01:01:36,354
Speaker 4: but I also, to me, the bigger issue is what

1281
01:01:36,394 --> 01:01:40,593
Speaker 4: you said, Like, it's not Cayden Wallace, it's we're gonna

1282
01:01:40,594 --> 01:01:42,994
Speaker 4: take a guy who's played exclusively right tackle and we're

1283
01:01:42,994 --> 01:01:45,914
Speaker 4: going to say that he can make the transition right.

1284
01:01:46,954 --> 01:01:50,714
Speaker 4: That's tough to me. That's that's that that's where they

1285
01:01:50,754 --> 01:01:54,394
Speaker 4: lose me. But the trade down in the second round

1286
01:01:55,554 --> 01:01:58,154
Speaker 4: they lose me there too, because if you're going to

1287
01:01:58,194 --> 01:02:02,554
Speaker 4: trade down and allow a position to get taken that

1288
01:02:02,594 --> 01:02:04,994
Speaker 4: you're going to take, you better have a guy who's

1289
01:02:05,034 --> 01:02:08,594
Speaker 4: better than the guys that were taken. And you know,

1290
01:02:08,634 --> 01:02:11,514
Speaker 4: I know it's only one I know it's only one year.

1291
01:02:11,634 --> 01:02:14,794
Speaker 4: But like Bill Belichick the year before, mister he can't

1292
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Speaker 16: Kind of a thought on heading to Buffalo, what's the

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01:04:35,634 --> 01:04:41,714
Speaker 16: coldest games you've played it experience wise coming into your career.

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Speaker 5: And then just the opportunity of the Marque batchup.

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Speaker 17: They moved the time up to four twenty five of

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Speaker 17: having an opportunity in Buffalo.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I think first off, you're talking, you heard about

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Speaker 16: the atmosphere and what a cool.

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Speaker 4: Place to play.

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Speaker 16: I'm sure it'll be challenge for us, you know, getting

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Speaker 16: the snap count going and you know with the crowd

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Speaker 16: level and kind of getting our communication and you want

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Speaker 16: to talking about operation with with a VP, getting that

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01:05:04,314 --> 01:05:06,674
Speaker 16: and uh you know studying that up and working on

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01:05:06,714 --> 01:05:08,434
Speaker 16: it all week. So that's an interests for us this week.

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Speaker 16: But also opportunity you know, a division opponent I think

1348
01:05:11,954 --> 01:05:13,714
Speaker 16: you know they're having a great season, so chance for

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Speaker 16: us to you know, get a good challenge. Coast environmental

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Speaker 16: probably played in is back in work because I probably

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01:05:20,514 --> 01:05:23,834
Speaker 16: low twenties, mainteens. You know, it gets cold, you know

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01:05:23,874 --> 01:05:26,434
Speaker 16: back home it does and it gets real hot too,

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01:05:26,514 --> 01:05:30,314
Speaker 16: so we gotta get both worlds back home. But yeah,

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01:05:30,354 --> 01:05:33,034
Speaker 16: definitely be different. I think it gets off the cold

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01:05:33,034 --> 01:05:34,954
Speaker 16: weather games and here you know, up in Boston but

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Speaker 16: different from me, but I think excited to probably wear

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Speaker 16: long sleeves for the first time and kind of embrace it.

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Speaker 17: Did you plan on going to the North Carolina Bowl

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Speaker 17: game at Fenway?

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Speaker 11: And now let's pointed you can't go now that the

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Speaker 11: game has been changed.

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Speaker 16: So think no doubt it is his pointing. I think

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Speaker 16: he probably would have been over here. I think it

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Speaker 16: was the early game start. I think I think it

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Speaker 16: was which yeah, which, ye, eleven o'clock in the morning.

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Speaker 16: We were over here on Saturdays usually too about noon,

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Speaker 16: so I would have probably been late for a second

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Speaker 16: half or something. But shoot, I mean, you can't control

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01:06:04,714 --> 01:06:06,394
Speaker 16: when our game gets moved to. But yeah, definitely a

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01:06:06,434 --> 01:06:07,673
Speaker 16: bummer won't be able to check out.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, my guys, the opponent this Sunday, Josh Allen. How

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Speaker 17: much of him have you watched growing up? How much

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01:06:14,714 --> 01:06:17,034
Speaker 17: have you really is someone that he you've kind of

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01:06:17,074 --> 01:06:18,434
Speaker 17: looked up to as you've grown up too.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, what a special player. He's you know, playing a

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01:06:21,354 --> 01:06:23,674
Speaker 16: really high level. It's been fun to you'll watch some

1377
01:06:23,714 --> 01:06:25,354
Speaker 16: of his highlights and some of the games. They a

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Speaker 16: lot of timetime games. So anytime you know Josh is

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Speaker 16: on the you know, a big fan of his big

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01:06:29,514 --> 01:06:31,514
Speaker 16: fan of his game. Got to got to meet him,

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01:06:31,554 --> 01:06:34,114
Speaker 16: you know a couple of times throughout you know, my time,

1382
01:06:34,434 --> 01:06:37,714
Speaker 16: just crossing a crossing paths. And he's awesome, dude, And

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01:06:38,034 --> 01:06:40,314
Speaker 16: he's a great player. What he's done for for Buffalo

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Speaker 16: and how they embrace him is pretty cool and pretty admirable.

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Speaker 17: You have your personally feel about some comparisons that have

1386
01:06:46,314 --> 01:06:48,554
Speaker 17: been drawn between you and Josh's team.

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Speaker 16: I got a long way to go. You know what

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Speaker 16: a player he is, you know, play an m VP level.

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Speaker 16: I think the biggest thing is just his progression he's made.

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Speaker 16: I think he you know, what he did dealt with

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Speaker 16: is you know, whether coming out of college or his

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01:07:00,714 --> 01:07:04,514
Speaker 16: first years here, and I feel like everybody was just

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01:07:04,594 --> 01:07:06,194
Speaker 16: kind of not give him the credit deserved. And now

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Speaker 16: you can see kind of full tuition what he's doing

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01:07:08,834 --> 01:07:10,274
Speaker 16: and and the level he's playing.

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Speaker 4: At and just like.

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Speaker 16: I said, fun to watch, and I think, you know,

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01:07:13,954 --> 01:07:15,314
Speaker 16: I got a long way to go to to get

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Speaker 16: to anywhere close to playing at his level.

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Speaker 4: There's some questions about her and coach his job.

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Speaker 11: Security at this point Eason first of.

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01:07:21,634 --> 01:07:23,034
Speaker 1: All, white future to take out of that, and then

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01:07:23,274 --> 01:07:24,754
Speaker 1: maybe what to some of the guys in the locker

1404
01:07:24,794 --> 01:07:26,394
Speaker 1: room field about what Jack.

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Speaker 16: Oh, yeah, I think it's you know, our you know,

1406
01:07:29,714 --> 01:07:32,394
Speaker 16: his first year, his first year coaching, being a head coach.

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01:07:32,994 --> 01:07:35,714
Speaker 16: It's a tough challenge, you know, for your New England Patriots.

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01:07:35,714 --> 01:07:37,354
Speaker 16: Just like I said, it's a lot of responsibility in

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01:07:37,354 --> 01:07:39,714
Speaker 16: the quarterbacks, same as as head coach. It's a lot

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Speaker 16: of possibility, and you know, he's he's figuring out and

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Speaker 16: you know, I think our players, you know, we're behind him.

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Speaker 16: We're back in them, and we trust you know, the

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Speaker 16: plan he's got for us, and we trust. I think

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Speaker 16: what he says in the team meeting rooms and and

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Speaker 16: all those little sayings that he has, we believe in

1416
01:07:53,794 --> 01:07:56,114
Speaker 16: it and we're bought into it. I just think the

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01:07:56,114 --> 01:07:58,234
Speaker 16: results are coming. I think they're coming. I think kind

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01:07:58,234 --> 01:08:00,594
Speaker 16: of we wish everybody wish is there now, and I

1419
01:08:00,594 --> 01:08:04,034
Speaker 16: think we're kind of striving for that. But sometimes I

1420
01:08:04,034 --> 01:08:05,394
Speaker 16: think it doesn't work out that way. But I think

1421
01:08:05,474 --> 01:08:07,354
Speaker 16: what we're coming in and the winning is is coming

1422
01:08:07,354 --> 01:08:11,634
Speaker 16: in the near future. Like that baster that what I'm saying,

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Speaker 16: Like I spoke on maybe P on I think I

1424
01:08:14,594 --> 01:08:16,034
Speaker 16: was on the radio show about iv P. It's what

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01:08:16,114 --> 01:08:19,274
Speaker 16: he's done for my development. And you know, just just

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Speaker 16: a quarterback friend the office, Cordinaria, I think you want

1427
01:08:21,154 --> 01:08:23,354
Speaker 16: that in that room. He uh, he's the only body

1428
01:08:23,354 --> 01:08:24,674
Speaker 16: to catch you up. He'll cut your hard to let

1429
01:08:24,674 --> 01:08:26,194
Speaker 16: you know. You know, when you know my part of

1430
01:08:26,234 --> 01:08:27,834
Speaker 16: the job or my part of the play is not

1431
01:08:27,874 --> 01:08:29,354
Speaker 16: done right, he'll let you know. He will be the

1432
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Speaker 16: first one to let me know, but first one to

1433
01:08:31,394 --> 01:08:33,274
Speaker 16: pump me up. So he's he's been awesome and huge

1434
01:08:33,274 --> 01:08:35,834
Speaker 16: for me. Him and TC both I've been awesome, and

1435
01:08:36,074 --> 01:08:37,394
Speaker 16: you know, I can't say enough about those guys.

1436
01:08:37,994 --> 01:08:39,233
Speaker 4: What happened is about.

1437
01:08:39,234 --> 01:08:42,474
Speaker 6: Play the coaching style this season. Now that we're kind

1438
01:08:42,474 --> 01:08:43,314
Speaker 6: of toward the end.

1439
01:08:43,274 --> 01:08:44,954
Speaker 4: Of the seasonlease tell us a little bit.

1440
01:08:44,994 --> 01:08:45,594
Speaker 5: Yeah, the players.

1441
01:08:45,634 --> 01:08:46,234
Speaker 16: Coach gets it.

1442
01:08:46,274 --> 01:08:46,874
Speaker 4: You know, he played.

1443
01:08:47,194 --> 01:08:48,594
Speaker 16: He knows how to you know, take care of us

1444
01:08:48,594 --> 01:08:50,794
Speaker 16: and take care of our bodies. That knows what it's

1445
01:08:50,874 --> 01:08:53,194
Speaker 16: like to to get injured and play through it or

1446
01:08:53,914 --> 01:08:56,834
Speaker 16: I have to you know, do a lift on a Friday,

1447
01:08:56,954 --> 01:08:58,474
Speaker 16: two days four game and you got to get through

1448
01:08:58,474 --> 01:09:00,474
Speaker 16: it and and get through it for you know, just

1449
01:09:00,514 --> 01:09:03,314
Speaker 16: your body and the rest of the season. So, you know,

1450
01:09:03,314 --> 01:09:05,914
Speaker 16: Coach Mayo is I think that that first one was

1451
01:09:05,914 --> 01:09:08,554
Speaker 16: special for him and that first week, and I think,

1452
01:09:09,834 --> 01:09:11,554
Speaker 16: you know, since that point on, I think we just

1453
01:09:12,274 --> 01:09:14,394
Speaker 16: have some things, you know, some little focused things and

1454
01:09:15,634 --> 01:09:17,234
Speaker 16: have a few plays that haven't gone our away. But

1455
01:09:17,354 --> 01:09:18,634
Speaker 16: I think we've been in a lot of games. We'll

1456
01:09:18,674 --> 01:09:20,554
Speaker 16: talk about one score games we had to finish better

1457
01:09:21,194 --> 01:09:24,114
Speaker 16: and those critical moments situation football. He always preaches. He's

1458
01:09:24,114 --> 01:09:26,954
Speaker 16: big into that of playing better and playing complimentary. And

1459
01:09:27,514 --> 01:09:29,754
Speaker 16: I think, you know, turn overs, me protecting the football

1460
01:09:29,794 --> 01:09:32,674
Speaker 16: and us getting more turners would help. So I think

1461
01:09:32,714 --> 01:09:34,314
Speaker 16: there's a lot of things going to But with coach

1462
01:09:34,434 --> 01:09:37,274
Speaker 16: Coach Mayo's kind of coaching styles, it's been player for me,

1463
01:09:37,314 --> 01:09:39,034
Speaker 16: and you know, I appreciate, you know, what he's done

1464
01:09:39,074 --> 01:09:41,314
Speaker 16: for still kind of you know, bringing me aside and

1465
01:09:41,394 --> 01:09:43,074
Speaker 16: kind of coaching the quarterback. I think that's that's pretty

1466
01:09:43,074 --> 01:09:45,714
Speaker 16: cool for head coach, you dope, just a defensive head coach,

1467
01:09:45,914 --> 01:09:48,594
Speaker 16: So that's been cool for me. I was just telling

1468
01:09:48,674 --> 01:09:51,154
Speaker 16: us about how he saw Josh develop and he thought

1469
01:09:51,274 --> 01:09:53,674
Speaker 16: Josh's evolution was kind of key by this idea of just.

1470
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Speaker 3: Taking the product like pass up.

1471
01:09:55,474 --> 01:09:57,714
Speaker 4: You can't take the completion. Where do you would you

1472
01:09:57,714 --> 01:10:00,994
Speaker 4: put yourself in that part of your development taking a

1473
01:10:01,034 --> 01:10:02,394
Speaker 4: profit of the patient from what.

1474
01:10:02,394 --> 01:10:03,074
Speaker 6: The defense gives me.

1475
01:10:03,594 --> 01:10:04,954
Speaker 16: I've been, I think I've been, you know, trying to

1476
01:10:04,994 --> 01:10:06,514
Speaker 16: work on that, you know, each and every week as

1477
01:10:06,514 --> 01:10:08,954
Speaker 16: it go on. I think last week it's a good

1478
01:10:08,954 --> 01:10:10,634
Speaker 16: testament at some point you need to take a shot

1479
01:10:10,674 --> 01:10:13,074
Speaker 16: though you keep the defense kind of honest, So just

1480
01:10:13,274 --> 01:10:15,714
Speaker 16: trying to take what they give me. I think, you know,

1481
01:10:15,794 --> 01:10:18,154
Speaker 16: a VP and those and those offensive guys done a

1482
01:10:18,154 --> 01:10:20,394
Speaker 16: good job of finding easy completions for me, take a

1483
01:10:20,394 --> 01:10:21,914
Speaker 16: lot of our new stuff and let our guys get

1484
01:10:21,914 --> 01:10:23,714
Speaker 16: the ball and run with it. So I think that's

1485
01:10:23,754 --> 01:10:25,834
Speaker 16: been a huge process for me. And kind of the

1486
01:10:25,874 --> 01:10:30,594
Speaker 16: deeper stuff I kind of get, you'll you'll fool into

1487
01:10:30,674 --> 01:10:33,474
Speaker 16: kind of getting the taking the deep shot or taking shot.

1488
01:10:33,754 --> 01:10:35,114
Speaker 16: I feel like I've done a better job of checking

1489
01:10:35,114 --> 01:10:37,074
Speaker 16: it down or taking the completion. And you know, as

1490
01:10:37,114 --> 01:10:38,954
Speaker 16: the year goes on, I think, you know, you find

1491
01:10:38,954 --> 01:10:41,394
Speaker 16: that and trying to find more completions and realize just

1492
01:10:41,394 --> 01:10:44,834
Speaker 16: a completion sometimes is the best play, whether it's you know,

1493
01:10:44,834 --> 01:10:46,274
Speaker 16: two yard game or three yard game. I think that

1494
01:10:46,314 --> 01:10:48,914
Speaker 16: gets us better and third down scenarios where we've been struggling.

1495
01:10:48,914 --> 01:10:50,674
Speaker 16: So I think that's the big big part of me

1496
01:10:50,794 --> 01:10:53,234
Speaker 16: is if my game is figuring out, you'll win the

1497
01:10:53,274 --> 01:10:54,634
Speaker 16: time to do that and when the time it's made,

1498
01:10:54,634 --> 01:10:56,274
Speaker 16: push the ball down the field.

1499
01:10:56,674 --> 01:10:59,314
Speaker 17: For everyone to stay motivated through these last three games,

1500
01:10:59,314 --> 01:11:01,834
Speaker 17: and you know that there's no playoffs.

1501
01:11:01,514 --> 01:11:04,234
Speaker 16: Or anything aginstake, I would say, so, I think you know,

1502
01:11:04,274 --> 01:11:05,994
Speaker 16: the biggest thing is you know there's another chance to

1503
01:11:06,114 --> 01:11:08,394
Speaker 16: you know, play in the NFL, play on play on Sundays,

1504
01:11:08,394 --> 01:11:10,434
Speaker 16: and you know, playing great opponents that you know we'll

1505
01:11:10,434 --> 01:11:13,114
Speaker 16: have some some more games down the road and getting

1506
01:11:13,114 --> 01:11:15,074
Speaker 16: a chance to you'll play against a playoff level team

1507
01:11:15,114 --> 01:11:17,394
Speaker 16: and really see what it's like to, hey, these guys

1508
01:11:17,434 --> 01:11:18,514
Speaker 16: are there and where.

1509
01:11:18,554 --> 01:11:19,314
Speaker 4: We want to be at.

1510
01:11:19,594 --> 01:11:21,314
Speaker 16: You'll kind of give us a level of hey, who

1511
01:11:21,314 --> 01:11:23,274
Speaker 16: can make plays for us and these these moments and

1512
01:11:23,834 --> 01:11:26,394
Speaker 16: kind of a check. It's kind of the gas thing

1513
01:11:26,434 --> 01:11:28,914
Speaker 16: for ourselves and you know where we're at and kind

1514
01:11:28,914 --> 01:11:30,754
Speaker 16: of what we're building on. So it's a good test

1515
01:11:30,754 --> 01:11:32,714
Speaker 16: for us, you know, big test, and we're gonna have

1516
01:11:32,714 --> 01:11:34,434
Speaker 16: some a lot of games hopefully, you know, in Buffalo

1517
01:11:34,514 --> 01:11:36,634
Speaker 16: and with this team so in the future. So I

1518
01:11:36,674 --> 01:11:40,514
Speaker 16: think it's a stop journey.

1519
01:11:42,234 --> 01:11:47,073
Speaker 4: And now great moments in history.

1520
01:11:47,674 --> 01:11:50,554
Speaker 5: Burton Burton Island says, now I've heard it all. Lady

1521
01:11:50,594 --> 01:11:53,474
Speaker 5: Gaga should get an Academy Award because Fred Kursch didn't

1522
01:11:53,514 --> 01:11:54,634
Speaker 5: know it was Lady Gaga.

1523
01:11:55,354 --> 01:11:58,594
Speaker 4: That was a good one when you put it like that.

1524
01:11:58,674 --> 01:12:03,794
Speaker 6: She was unrecognizable, looked like her hair, so gif.

1525
01:12:03,674 --> 01:12:06,554
Speaker 4: Fi Oscar to the makeup artist, now you know what

1526
01:12:06,594 --> 01:12:06,914
Speaker 4: I mean?

1527
01:12:07,754 --> 01:12:10,554
Speaker 5: No, not really, she was immersed in the in the character.

1528
01:12:10,634 --> 01:12:12,194
Speaker 5: I didn't realize it was her.

1529
01:12:12,914 --> 01:12:17,594
Speaker 18: Yeah, what's uh what Philip Seymour Hoffman, he was a

1530
01:12:17,594 --> 01:12:20,194
Speaker 18: good one where he's the same guy, but it just

1531
01:12:20,314 --> 01:12:22,634
Speaker 18: a rolled brought something kind of different to it that

1532
01:12:22,834 --> 01:12:25,234
Speaker 18: just it never took me out of it.

1533
01:12:25,394 --> 01:12:27,514
Speaker 4: He was never Oscar worthy because I always knew it

1534
01:12:27,554 --> 01:12:28,354
Speaker 4: was Phillips.

1535
01:12:28,114 --> 01:12:36,194
Speaker 5: More Madus and I know we actually know.

1536
01:12:36,314 --> 01:12:38,234
Speaker 7: I mean I was in the.

1537
01:12:37,594 --> 01:12:41,394
Speaker 4: These rooms over here, just said made up made perfect.

1538
01:12:41,794 --> 01:12:44,834
Speaker 5: With your experience on the stage, I would assume you

1539
01:12:44,834 --> 01:12:47,354
Speaker 5: would you would know what I'm talking about.

1540
01:12:47,394 --> 01:12:49,714
Speaker 4: I do know what you're talking about. Did you recognize

1541
01:12:49,754 --> 01:12:50,074
Speaker 4: de Niro?

1542
01:12:50,314 --> 01:12:50,514
Speaker 5: Oh?

1543
01:12:50,554 --> 01:12:53,674
Speaker 1: Absolutely, because he looked he looked a little bit different

1544
01:12:53,674 --> 01:12:55,674
Speaker 1: too now.

1545
01:12:56,034 --> 01:12:58,794
Speaker 4: But it's it was just the part like you would,

1546
01:12:59,394 --> 01:13:00,874
Speaker 4: I understand what your point is.

1547
01:13:00,794 --> 01:13:03,034
Speaker 5: Adam in the other one the driver, and you know

1548
01:13:03,114 --> 01:13:03,914
Speaker 5: it's Adam driver.

1549
01:13:10,034 --> 01:13:12,634
Speaker 4: People can't see you, Fred what you're doing.

1550
01:13:14,514 --> 01:13:17,434
Speaker 5: Prominent shot, but I can't.

1551
01:13:17,594 --> 01:13:26,114
Speaker 2: That's another great moment from.

1552
01:13:23,274 --> 01:13:26,274
Speaker 5: All right back here on Patriots Unfiltered A PATS five

1553
01:13:26,394 --> 01:13:30,234
Speaker 5: hundred is the TPX hotline. I don't know why I

1554
01:13:30,234 --> 01:13:33,034
Speaker 5: get messed up on that one. Podcast at Patriots dot

1555
01:13:33,074 --> 01:13:35,754
Speaker 5: com is the email address, and again, if you want

1556
01:13:35,754 --> 01:13:38,554
Speaker 5: to sign up for the newsletter, it's Patriots dot com

1557
01:13:38,554 --> 01:13:42,554
Speaker 5: slash PU newsletter sign up. They go out every Friday.

1558
01:13:43,274 --> 01:13:46,834
Speaker 5: Join in on the fun. Travis and West Virginia writes

1559
01:13:46,874 --> 01:13:49,674
Speaker 5: in at that email address. Just wanted to take a

1560
01:13:49,674 --> 01:13:52,514
Speaker 5: minute to be the word police since Eric is no

1561
01:13:52,634 --> 01:13:53,354
Speaker 5: longer around.

1562
01:13:53,434 --> 01:13:53,794
Speaker 7: Oh No.

1563
01:13:54,394 --> 01:13:57,874
Speaker 5: On yesterday's show, at the thirty four fifty eight, Mark

1564
01:13:58,514 --> 01:14:01,754
Speaker 5: Mike use the word symblematic, which I guess is a

1565
01:14:01,754 --> 01:14:05,394
Speaker 5: combination of symbolic and emblematic, but unfortunately not a word

1566
01:14:05,994 --> 01:14:09,594
Speaker 5: their Also, my two favorites on the show are Friend

1567
01:14:09,634 --> 01:14:11,794
Speaker 5: and Paul. But when it's just the two of you,

1568
01:14:11,914 --> 01:14:14,394
Speaker 5: something feels off. I'm surprised you haven't come up with

1569
01:14:14,434 --> 01:14:16,354
Speaker 5: a solution to address that yet.

1570
01:14:16,954 --> 01:14:19,314
Speaker 4: Well, it's only a half hour that might comes by.

1571
01:14:19,434 --> 01:14:23,113
Speaker 4: But the something that is off is we do not argue.

1572
01:14:23,714 --> 01:14:27,034
Speaker 5: We have Matt not a lot though, ar now, No,

1573
01:14:27,154 --> 01:14:31,074
Speaker 5: but we've argued. And then remember like Andy would come

1574
01:14:31,114 --> 01:14:32,874
Speaker 5: in and we'd be in the middle of you know,

1575
01:14:33,754 --> 01:14:34,834
Speaker 5: what do you guys arguing about?

1576
01:14:35,314 --> 01:14:38,594
Speaker 4: And then we were like and then all of a

1577
01:14:38,594 --> 01:14:41,234
Speaker 4: sudden we go from arguing with each other, you're teaming up.

1578
01:14:41,234 --> 01:14:45,594
Speaker 5: And no, I mean it is a little bit more

1579
01:14:45,634 --> 01:14:47,034
Speaker 5: laid back when it's the two of us. It's more

1580
01:14:47,034 --> 01:14:51,834
Speaker 5: of like a conversation, you know, rather than just we

1581
01:14:51,834 --> 01:14:57,194
Speaker 5: can be thoughtful. Henry writes in so I largely agree

1582
01:14:57,194 --> 01:14:59,554
Speaker 5: with you all that Mayo will be back, and I

1583
01:14:59,594 --> 01:15:02,554
Speaker 5: hope he is as common reserved as he is. Does

1584
01:15:02,594 --> 01:15:05,514
Speaker 5: he need to show some fire on the sideline after

1585
01:15:05,514 --> 01:15:08,914
Speaker 5: a repeated mistake such as shattering his headset on the

1586
01:15:08,954 --> 01:15:13,314
Speaker 5: turf or heated but chewing on the sideline. With all

1587
01:15:13,314 --> 01:15:15,834
Speaker 5: these repeated mistakes this season, maybe he's being just a

1588
01:15:15,874 --> 01:15:18,274
Speaker 5: little too nice. I mean, I hear that a lot,

1589
01:15:18,474 --> 01:15:22,034
Speaker 5: Like what's he doing? He just stands there? You know,

1590
01:15:22,074 --> 01:15:24,394
Speaker 5: but he is on the headset and he is talking

1591
01:15:24,474 --> 01:15:25,474
Speaker 5: and times.

1592
01:15:25,554 --> 01:15:29,434
Speaker 4: Did you see Belichick last year fire aheadset into the turf.

1593
01:15:29,314 --> 01:15:30,794
Speaker 5: Other than with the refs? Never?

1594
01:15:31,194 --> 01:15:33,034
Speaker 4: Right? Yeah, I mean that's that's a whole different thing.

1595
01:15:33,074 --> 01:15:36,314
Speaker 4: I'm talking about the team. He's talking about repeated mistakes

1596
01:15:36,594 --> 01:15:38,874
Speaker 4: getting on the team. How many times you see Belichick

1597
01:15:38,994 --> 01:15:42,434
Speaker 4: screaming at his place him like Billy O'Brien did to Brady.

1598
01:15:42,554 --> 01:15:44,194
Speaker 7: I haven't seen him throw a surface though. Maybe that's

1599
01:15:44,194 --> 01:15:46,034
Speaker 7: what man needs to do, is just you know, look

1600
01:15:46,074 --> 01:15:48,074
Speaker 7: at a play, throw a surface that way. Maybe that

1601
01:15:48,154 --> 01:15:48,914
Speaker 7: a piece of people.

1602
01:15:49,834 --> 01:15:52,874
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, break equipment, all.

1603
01:15:52,714 --> 01:15:55,074
Speaker 7: For it, their sponsor an they never mind, who's.

1604
01:15:54,794 --> 01:15:56,754
Speaker 4: More emotional than me? I'm all for it.

1605
01:15:57,154 --> 01:15:59,754
Speaker 5: I mean, we have no idea what happens after the game,

1606
01:15:59,914 --> 01:16:02,634
Speaker 5: immediately after in the locker room, Like, for all we know,

1607
01:16:02,714 --> 01:16:05,234
Speaker 5: he's ripping them up up and down, but we don't

1608
01:16:05,274 --> 01:16:05,994
Speaker 5: know that, you.

1609
01:16:06,074 --> 01:16:07,514
Speaker 7: Know, keep it behind closed doors.

1610
01:16:07,594 --> 01:16:11,514
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean we made fun of those coaches who,

1611
01:16:11,714 --> 01:16:14,674
Speaker 5: like you know, are visibly upset on the sideline, just

1612
01:16:14,674 --> 01:16:16,834
Speaker 5: to show that you know, it's them not me, and

1613
01:16:17,194 --> 01:16:21,634
Speaker 5: you know, yeah, or players who separate themselves from the

1614
01:16:21,674 --> 01:16:22,994
Speaker 5: team when things are going bad.

1615
01:16:23,074 --> 01:16:25,714
Speaker 4: It's fine if you can't. Like, that's a I don't

1616
01:16:25,714 --> 01:16:27,754
Speaker 4: think you can win. No, there was a thing. I

1617
01:16:27,794 --> 01:16:29,634
Speaker 4: don't know. If you saw this clip between Joe Burrow

1618
01:16:29,634 --> 01:16:32,594
Speaker 4: and Zach Taylor on Sunday, you know, it looked like

1619
01:16:32,634 --> 01:16:36,194
Speaker 4: they were sort of unhappy with each other and they're

1620
01:16:36,234 --> 01:16:38,914
Speaker 4: going back and forth, and like that's a sign of dysfunction.

1621
01:16:38,994 --> 01:16:42,474
Speaker 4: It's falling apart. You know. Mayo hasn't had any of those.

1622
01:16:42,514 --> 01:16:44,914
Speaker 4: That's a sign that he doesn't have any control, you know, Like,

1623
01:16:44,954 --> 01:16:46,034
Speaker 4: I just don't think you can win.

1624
01:16:46,114 --> 01:16:46,274
Speaker 9: Win.

1625
01:16:46,594 --> 01:16:47,754
Speaker 5: You just gotta win.

1626
01:16:48,234 --> 01:16:49,314
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's it.

1627
01:16:50,354 --> 01:16:52,674
Speaker 5: Jeff and Cannon And my son plays high school basketball.

1628
01:16:52,714 --> 01:16:55,234
Speaker 5: He's a good player, humble brag, but he doesn't have

1629
01:16:55,314 --> 01:16:57,714
Speaker 5: much help. So his team is pretty bad. But when

1630
01:16:57,754 --> 01:17:00,194
Speaker 5: I watch the team play, I still think the coaches

1631
01:17:00,234 --> 01:17:02,714
Speaker 5: could do more to put less experience or less talented

1632
01:17:02,754 --> 01:17:06,394
Speaker 5: players in positions to succeed. So my question is what

1633
01:17:06,434 --> 01:17:09,954
Speaker 5: can we watch during Patriots games to show us. Is

1634
01:17:09,994 --> 01:17:12,794
Speaker 5: it simply a bad player problem or could the coaches

1635
01:17:12,834 --> 01:17:15,034
Speaker 5: be doing more to compensate for the lack of talent.

1636
01:17:15,634 --> 01:17:20,074
Speaker 5: That is what should answer the Mayo and assistant coaches conundrum.

1637
01:17:20,474 --> 01:17:23,034
Speaker 5: Are they doing what they should with what they have?

1638
01:17:23,674 --> 01:17:26,594
Speaker 5: Depending on your answer, how much turnover should we expect

1639
01:17:26,594 --> 01:17:29,714
Speaker 5: in coaches and players next season. It's a good question,

1640
01:17:29,794 --> 01:17:32,994
Speaker 5: but it's one that it's impossible for us to answer

1641
01:17:33,994 --> 01:17:37,554
Speaker 5: with knowledge. I mean, we can guess, but we don't.

1642
01:17:37,594 --> 01:17:39,394
Speaker 4: My answer is both, yeah, but we don't have.

1643
01:17:39,314 --> 01:17:43,474
Speaker 5: The information necessary to make the off season decisions that

1644
01:17:43,514 --> 01:17:46,434
Speaker 5: are going to have to be made.

1645
01:17:45,514 --> 01:17:48,154
Speaker 7: You know, yeah, I mean, I just I think you've

1646
01:17:48,154 --> 01:17:51,234
Speaker 7: seen some players regress, you know that we're better before,

1647
01:17:51,234 --> 01:17:54,514
Speaker 7: and I see that point towards coaching. But I've also

1648
01:17:54,514 --> 01:17:57,554
Speaker 7: seen Drake may develop pretty well, so that points to

1649
01:17:57,594 --> 01:18:00,994
Speaker 7: coaching positively. So I just don't know how to divvy

1650
01:18:01,034 --> 01:18:03,034
Speaker 7: it all up and to be like that that's what's

1651
01:18:03,074 --> 01:18:06,274
Speaker 7: to blame. So I say it's both, you know, I

1652
01:18:04,914 --> 01:18:06,073
Speaker 7: think everything.

1653
01:18:06,274 --> 01:18:08,554
Speaker 4: I think there's a problem that they don't have enough

1654
01:18:08,594 --> 01:18:11,874
Speaker 4: horses to compete with a lot of teams. That's true,

1655
01:18:12,234 --> 01:18:14,474
Speaker 4: But I also don't think that the coaches have done

1656
01:18:14,634 --> 01:18:17,354
Speaker 4: a great job of sort of putting some of what

1657
01:18:17,394 --> 01:18:19,994
Speaker 4: they do have in positions to succeed. You know, is

1658
01:18:20,034 --> 01:18:22,474
Speaker 4: there any reason why? Is it just that Jalen Polk

1659
01:18:22,514 --> 01:18:25,994
Speaker 4: isn't very good or is this all we're gonna get

1660
01:18:25,994 --> 01:18:29,714
Speaker 4: from Jalen pol Like I mean, I think that there's

1661
01:18:29,754 --> 01:18:32,234
Speaker 4: a combination. I don't think Polk has been great, and

1662
01:18:32,274 --> 01:18:35,154
Speaker 4: I don't think they've done a whole lot to help them. Yeah,

1663
01:18:35,554 --> 01:18:36,634
Speaker 4: both things can be true.

1664
01:18:36,874 --> 01:18:38,954
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's a lot of that across the road.

1665
01:18:39,074 --> 01:18:41,674
Speaker 4: But Frank's right, like, without having the inside knowledge of

1666
01:18:41,714 --> 01:18:45,034
Speaker 4: what's going on in meetings and game plans, and you know,

1667
01:18:45,714 --> 01:18:46,554
Speaker 4: it's hard to answer.

1668
01:18:46,834 --> 01:18:52,994
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's see. Eric writes in uh, he says, I

1669
01:18:53,074 --> 01:18:54,714
Speaker 5: was all four team to rot at the start of

1670
01:18:54,754 --> 01:18:56,674
Speaker 5: the year, but I think he needs to go. I

1671
01:18:56,754 --> 01:18:58,834
Speaker 5: never expected their record to be much better than it

1672
01:18:58,874 --> 01:19:01,154
Speaker 5: currently is, but the way in which they are losing,

1673
01:19:01,194 --> 01:19:03,474
Speaker 5: I think is not good. If we were seeing the

1674
01:19:03,474 --> 01:19:06,154
Speaker 5: team approve every week and the defense was getting better,

1675
01:19:06,514 --> 01:19:08,714
Speaker 5: and he was saying all the right things, it might

1676
01:19:08,754 --> 01:19:11,354
Speaker 5: be a different story. Do not fall victim to the

1677
01:19:11,474 --> 01:19:15,434
Speaker 5: sunk cost fallacy. Let him go and then hire Ben Johnson.

1678
01:19:15,754 --> 01:19:18,674
Speaker 5: Wolf I think can stay only because of May though,

1679
01:19:19,194 --> 01:19:21,314
Speaker 5: but one more bad draft, I think he should be

1680
01:19:21,314 --> 01:19:22,154
Speaker 5: replaced as well.

1681
01:19:23,634 --> 01:19:25,154
Speaker 4: What if he can't get Ben Johnson?

1682
01:19:25,434 --> 01:19:28,594
Speaker 5: I know, and Ben Johnson has never been a head coach.

1683
01:19:29,194 --> 01:19:32,754
Speaker 4: True, you know that's true. He's the hot commodity. But

1684
01:19:32,914 --> 01:19:35,514
Speaker 4: what if what if let's just assume that he is

1685
01:19:35,554 --> 01:19:38,274
Speaker 4: going to be good, Like, what if you can't get him,

1686
01:19:38,394 --> 01:19:41,754
Speaker 4: it's going to be I don't know, six eight ten

1687
01:19:41,874 --> 01:19:42,514
Speaker 4: jobs open?

1688
01:19:43,074 --> 01:19:48,474
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean is the team. Yeah, if you're a

1689
01:19:48,474 --> 01:19:51,354
Speaker 5: good somebody like Ben Johnson, I would think this would

1690
01:19:51,394 --> 01:19:52,594
Speaker 5: be an okay destination.

1691
01:19:52,754 --> 01:19:54,554
Speaker 4: Oh, I think the Patriots job is attractive.

1692
01:19:54,674 --> 01:19:56,074
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you get worse.

1693
01:19:56,074 --> 01:19:58,234
Speaker 4: I think you have a young quarterback who looks looks

1694
01:19:58,274 --> 01:20:00,154
Speaker 4: the part. I'm not going to call him anything more

1695
01:20:00,194 --> 01:20:04,074
Speaker 4: than potential right now, and you have loads of cap space,

1696
01:20:04,514 --> 01:20:07,114
Speaker 4: and you're working for owners who obviously know what it

1697
01:20:07,114 --> 01:20:10,114
Speaker 4: looks like when it's successful. I mean that's a pretty

1698
01:20:10,154 --> 01:20:10,954
Speaker 4: attractive opening.

1699
01:20:11,594 --> 01:20:14,794
Speaker 5: You got Patriot Place right here. Yeah, you know, new

1700
01:20:14,794 --> 01:20:16,234
Speaker 5: training facility in the.

1701
01:20:16,154 --> 01:20:18,994
Speaker 4: Works, new training facility in the works at that that

1702
01:20:19,874 --> 01:20:21,634
Speaker 4: throw it on, throw it on the pile. I think

1703
01:20:21,634 --> 01:20:24,434
Speaker 4: it's a pretty attractive opening, if you know, if and

1704
01:20:24,474 --> 01:20:26,354
Speaker 4: when that comes, I don't think it's going to come.

1705
01:20:27,034 --> 01:20:29,514
Speaker 4: You know, this offseason in twenty twenty five, I think

1706
01:20:29,554 --> 01:20:31,354
Speaker 4: Gerard will be back, and I think you should be back.

1707
01:20:31,394 --> 01:20:33,874
Speaker 4: But I think it's an attractive opening.

1708
01:20:34,634 --> 01:20:37,714
Speaker 5: Spiin Fresno writes, saying Allo Pine that one of the

1709
01:20:37,714 --> 01:20:41,114
Speaker 5: big reasons media folks gets sensitive at times when criticized

1710
01:20:41,434 --> 01:20:43,554
Speaker 5: is that too many media members from the start of

1711
01:20:43,594 --> 01:20:46,794
Speaker 5: the Ted Turner twenty four hour news cycle to today,

1712
01:20:46,954 --> 01:20:51,994
Speaker 5: unnecessarily editorialize and insert their personal concerns slash hang ups

1713
01:20:52,274 --> 01:20:56,234
Speaker 5: in the process of reporting and analyzing. It gets caught

1714
01:20:56,314 --> 01:20:57,994
Speaker 5: up with their feelings when doing their job.

1715
01:20:58,434 --> 01:21:01,954
Speaker 4: Well, there's two different things there, you said, reporting and analyzing.

1716
01:21:02,034 --> 01:21:04,834
Speaker 4: If you're reporting, you're right. If you're analyzing, you're wrong. Right.

1717
01:21:06,834 --> 01:21:11,434
Speaker 5: But you know, well, news has now become infotainment, you know,

1718
01:21:11,594 --> 01:21:14,594
Speaker 5: like you said, you got to fill twenty four hours

1719
01:21:14,594 --> 01:21:16,874
Speaker 5: on TV. You can't do it just repeating the same.

1720
01:21:17,474 --> 01:21:19,634
Speaker 4: But I do agree with his premise, like there is

1721
01:21:19,754 --> 01:21:23,434
Speaker 4: too much reporting that I know. I have said this

1722
01:21:23,474 --> 01:21:26,234
Speaker 4: to you guys all the time. I grew up watching

1723
01:21:26,434 --> 01:21:31,594
Speaker 4: ESPN all the time. I don't remember who, like Bob

1724
01:21:31,714 --> 01:21:37,074
Speaker 4: Lee's favorite team was or Dan Patrick's favorite team. I

1725
01:21:37,074 --> 01:21:38,874
Speaker 4: can pretty much tell you every single guy who's on

1726
01:21:39,034 --> 01:21:42,194
Speaker 4: ESPN's now who their favorite team is because they all

1727
01:21:42,234 --> 01:21:47,113
Speaker 4: talk about it openly. Like I don't really understand why

1728
01:21:47,634 --> 01:21:50,834
Speaker 4: that needs to be part of your analysis. Like Mike

1729
01:21:50,834 --> 01:21:53,594
Speaker 4: Greenberg loves the Jets, Why do I need to know that, Well,

1730
01:21:53,754 --> 01:21:55,594
Speaker 4: like these like this means more to him because he

1731
01:21:55,714 --> 01:21:56,714
Speaker 4: lives the Jets.

1732
01:21:56,714 --> 01:22:00,314
Speaker 5: Guys on journalists anymore, the guys like you take ESPN

1733
01:22:00,354 --> 01:22:03,074
Speaker 5: for example, the number of people who are really journalists,

1734
01:22:03,354 --> 01:22:06,114
Speaker 5: it's very few. Like it's the seth Wickershams that used

1735
01:22:06,154 --> 01:22:08,634
Speaker 5: to be the correct you know, like, well there's only

1736
01:22:08,674 --> 01:22:09,674
Speaker 5: a chef.

1737
01:22:09,354 --> 01:22:12,394
Speaker 4: Schefter is is the information guy?

1738
01:22:12,594 --> 01:22:13,594
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1739
01:22:13,674 --> 01:22:17,434
Speaker 4: Yeah, kind of stuff going on, Mike, did you have

1740
01:22:17,474 --> 01:22:18,474
Speaker 4: some Mexican.

1741
01:22:20,554 --> 01:22:21,954
Speaker 5: That was called for?

1742
01:22:22,194 --> 01:22:24,154
Speaker 4: That was that was untooled?

1743
01:22:24,434 --> 01:22:27,153
Speaker 5: Speaking of call, let's get back to the TPX hotline.

1744
01:22:27,834 --> 01:22:28,794
Speaker 5: Jim's in Virginia.

1745
01:22:28,874 --> 01:22:32,754
Speaker 10: What's up, Jim, Jeth Young guys.

1746
01:22:32,354 --> 01:22:35,554
Speaker 4: Hey, Jael, Mary Christmas. Yeah, guys, Paul.

1747
01:22:36,034 --> 01:22:39,034
Speaker 10: I want to, you know, follow up on what Paul

1748
01:22:39,154 --> 01:22:43,234
Speaker 10: was just talking about. With the coaching and the players

1749
01:22:43,714 --> 01:22:48,554
Speaker 10: and particularly the receivers. I think a lot of it

1750
01:22:48,594 --> 01:22:53,594
Speaker 10: is it is the coaching. I can't believe all the

1751
01:22:53,634 --> 01:22:58,874
Speaker 10: Patriots draft choices and players are this bad a wide receiver.

1752
01:22:59,194 --> 01:23:02,314
Speaker 10: Maybe they are, but I have to blame a lot

1753
01:23:02,354 --> 01:23:04,354
Speaker 10: of that on the coaching. And not bringing them up

1754
01:23:04,394 --> 01:23:06,954
Speaker 10: to speed. And it looks like we're going to have

1755
01:23:07,394 --> 01:23:11,154
Speaker 10: the number three picked this year. And everybody's talking about

1756
01:23:11,154 --> 01:23:14,834
Speaker 10: Travis Hunter, but he is He is not even listed

1757
01:23:14,874 --> 01:23:19,994
Speaker 10: in the top ten wide receivers receivers in college football.

1758
01:23:20,034 --> 01:23:23,954
Speaker 19: Now, if you talk to Evans, I would well, he

1759
01:23:23,994 --> 01:23:27,073
Speaker 19: he's the best stafflete, he's the best player in college

1760
01:23:27,114 --> 01:23:31,674
Speaker 19: I agree, but I would say that the kids Arizona

1761
01:23:32,474 --> 01:23:38,714
Speaker 19: Keech McMillan six five pounds wide receive one four five

1762
01:23:39,074 --> 01:23:42,874
Speaker 19: is probably a better first pick if we're not going

1763
01:23:42,914 --> 01:23:44,874
Speaker 19: to go with a packle.

1764
01:23:45,754 --> 01:23:46,714
Speaker 10: What do you guys think?

1765
01:23:46,994 --> 01:23:47,354
Speaker 4: Let me know.

1766
01:23:47,714 --> 01:23:52,114
Speaker 5: Okay, thanks Jim. I haven't studied, yeah, I mean, I

1767
01:23:52,154 --> 01:23:55,074
Speaker 5: haven't really got into my wide receiver, but when I do,

1768
01:23:55,114 --> 01:23:56,394
Speaker 5: I will certainly have opinion.

1769
01:23:56,514 --> 01:23:58,874
Speaker 4: I love the size for McMillon, but I don't know

1770
01:23:58,994 --> 01:23:59,434
Speaker 4: enough about it.

1771
01:23:59,994 --> 01:24:02,634
Speaker 7: I've dabbled. I just I feel like, based on how

1772
01:24:02,714 --> 01:24:05,154
Speaker 7: this year is fleshed out with the receivers, that it's

1773
01:24:05,194 --> 01:24:06,834
Speaker 7: easy to make a case for any of those guys

1774
01:24:06,874 --> 01:24:10,114
Speaker 7: like McMillan's a little different, but and I probably would

1775
01:24:10,154 --> 01:24:14,554
Speaker 7: skew towards speed more than anything, but Luther Burden, sure,

1776
01:24:14,674 --> 01:24:16,634
Speaker 7: I mean just you guys know they need everything.

1777
01:24:16,714 --> 01:24:19,514
Speaker 5: I mean the yeah, I would hesitate on drafting Hunter

1778
01:24:20,354 --> 01:24:22,234
Speaker 5: at number three as a receiver.

1779
01:24:22,474 --> 01:24:26,194
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, well that's my view. But like listen,

1780
01:24:26,234 --> 01:24:29,234
Speaker 4: I've heard a lot of people have been on the

1781
01:24:29,274 --> 01:24:31,634
Speaker 4: direct opposite side of me, So maybe I don't have

1782
01:24:31,714 --> 01:24:32,114
Speaker 4: that right.

1783
01:24:32,194 --> 01:24:35,194
Speaker 7: I just think everybody needs to look at the edges too,

1784
01:24:35,234 --> 01:24:36,994
Speaker 7: because it's a good edge class and that's.

1785
01:24:36,794 --> 01:24:40,594
Speaker 4: The guy from Penn State, right from Penn State, Tennessee.

1786
01:24:40,794 --> 01:24:42,554
Speaker 5: Are they worthy of.

1787
01:24:42,994 --> 01:24:45,554
Speaker 7: I mean, I think ab Carter will be. I think

1788
01:24:45,594 --> 01:24:49,073
Speaker 7: Abdul Carter will be. I think he moves like special.

1789
01:24:49,274 --> 01:24:52,474
Speaker 4: You know, he's a special I saw one mark with kind.

1790
01:24:52,314 --> 01:24:54,274
Speaker 7: Of four Yeah. I mean he's been in there.

1791
01:24:54,274 --> 01:24:59,034
Speaker 4: Two quarterbacks, Travis Hunter and then Abdul Carter. Somebody's field yates.

1792
01:24:59,074 --> 01:25:00,634
Speaker 6: Maybe it's a it's a little bit of a.

1793
01:25:00,594 --> 01:25:02,954
Speaker 7: Projection with him, but I mean I think there's an

1794
01:25:02,954 --> 01:25:04,754
Speaker 7: appeal there where he used to be kind of an

1795
01:25:04,794 --> 01:25:06,794
Speaker 7: off the ball guy and then this year he moved inside.

1796
01:25:06,794 --> 01:25:09,594
Speaker 7: But you just look at him. Some guys move special

1797
01:25:09,954 --> 01:25:12,194
Speaker 7: and he moves special, and that I think is worth.

1798
01:25:13,194 --> 01:25:14,154
Speaker 4: You need pass rush.

1799
01:25:14,194 --> 01:25:15,714
Speaker 7: I mean, I don't know how everyone's going to get

1800
01:25:15,714 --> 01:25:18,954
Speaker 7: so like just overdraft to tackle at this point, It's like,

1801
01:25:19,154 --> 01:25:22,634
Speaker 7: you know, why, why just why stress that it has

1802
01:25:22,674 --> 01:25:24,954
Speaker 7: to be this year? With that tackle at that spot,

1803
01:25:25,354 --> 01:25:28,034
Speaker 7: you go grab a guy who you know. I mean, look,

1804
01:25:28,114 --> 01:25:29,914
Speaker 7: Michael Parsons is special. I don't want to make that

1805
01:25:29,914 --> 01:25:32,314
Speaker 7: comparison say Abdul Carter is going to be Michael Parsons.

1806
01:25:33,434 --> 01:25:35,354
Speaker 7: But those guys move special, and if you take a

1807
01:25:35,474 --> 01:25:37,954
Speaker 7: chance on one of those guys, he can impact your

1808
01:25:37,994 --> 01:25:40,274
Speaker 7: front seven in a number of different ways. And I mean,

1809
01:25:40,314 --> 01:25:43,554
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, the defense is worse than the offenses.

1810
01:25:44,474 --> 01:25:51,074
Speaker 5: Anthony's in New York. Hey, Anthony, Anthony, Anthony Anthony and

1811
01:25:51,114 --> 01:25:54,794
Speaker 5: New York. No going once twice, You're gone.

1812
01:25:54,914 --> 01:25:56,834
Speaker 4: I don't want to be a nitpicker here, But did

1813
01:25:56,834 --> 01:25:59,474
Speaker 4: you just say the defense is worse than the offensive? Well,

1814
01:25:59,554 --> 01:26:01,674
Speaker 4: I mean you just want to let that one slide

1815
01:26:02,994 --> 01:26:05,354
Speaker 4: because I think there's an argument to be made on

1816
01:26:05,354 --> 01:26:06,194
Speaker 4: both sides of that one.

1817
01:26:06,234 --> 01:26:07,714
Speaker 7: I do think there is an argument you made there.

1818
01:26:07,754 --> 01:26:10,194
Speaker 7: I would just say I feel better about having the

1819
01:26:10,274 --> 01:26:12,394
Speaker 7: quarterback than about having it, but you.

1820
01:26:12,354 --> 01:26:13,514
Speaker 4: Don't have anything else.

1821
01:26:13,914 --> 01:26:15,874
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I mean I like to get at the

1822
01:26:15,874 --> 01:26:18,274
Speaker 7: cornerback in the quarterback. That's all, I'm right, kind of

1823
01:26:18,274 --> 01:26:21,474
Speaker 7: basing it on. I just think you really need an

1824
01:26:21,474 --> 01:26:23,634
Speaker 7: impact front seven guy badly, badly.

1825
01:26:24,474 --> 01:26:26,674
Speaker 4: But now you're right, I definitely need an impact front

1826
01:26:26,754 --> 01:26:30,354
Speaker 4: five guy badly. And you need an impact wide receiver badly.

1827
01:26:30,834 --> 01:26:34,194
Speaker 7: You need two receivers and two tackles, right, I mean so'

1828
01:26:34,274 --> 01:26:36,914
Speaker 7: And you're right. The defense yeah and yeah, I mean

1829
01:26:36,994 --> 01:26:40,034
Speaker 7: I don't mean it clear cut. The defenses way behind,

1830
01:26:40,074 --> 01:26:42,354
Speaker 7: but I just want to jump.

1831
01:26:43,594 --> 01:26:47,314
Speaker 4: Well, if it was Fred, we'd be we'd be two.

1832
01:26:47,554 --> 01:26:51,874
Speaker 4: I'd have rolled up. I think the defense is better,

1833
01:26:52,354 --> 01:26:55,074
Speaker 4: but you know, you're such a good guy.

1834
01:26:55,354 --> 01:26:56,834
Speaker 7: A little bit of a roll there, but no, I

1835
01:26:57,154 --> 01:26:59,234
Speaker 7: get your point. I just I think they need to

1836
01:26:59,274 --> 01:27:01,554
Speaker 7: make a couple additions in the front seven this year

1837
01:27:01,594 --> 01:27:03,354
Speaker 7: that make you say this is gonna this is gonna

1838
01:27:03,354 --> 01:27:05,194
Speaker 7: be a new kind of defense this year. That's all.

1839
01:27:05,754 --> 01:27:09,234
Speaker 5: Uh Adrian from Delaware says, I was rubbing my nose

1840
01:27:09,274 --> 01:27:13,274
Speaker 5: and clinics and they said the Patriots took a huge

1841
01:27:13,314 --> 01:27:16,674
Speaker 5: step back against the Cardinals. Did they really regress or

1842
01:27:16,714 --> 01:27:19,073
Speaker 5: are they just the same team from the last two months?

1843
01:27:19,394 --> 01:27:22,194
Speaker 5: Can the Patriots take a reasonable step forward the last

1844
01:27:22,234 --> 01:27:25,794
Speaker 5: three games? Personally, I can deal with the Charge but

1845
01:27:25,794 --> 01:27:29,073
Speaker 5: the two games against the Buildos is giving me severe

1846
01:27:29,154 --> 01:27:32,034
Speaker 5: anxiety and stress me too.

1847
01:27:32,674 --> 01:27:34,514
Speaker 7: I mean, I think when you we always look at

1848
01:27:34,514 --> 01:27:36,034
Speaker 7: the season, and when I looked at the season, we

1849
01:27:36,074 --> 01:27:38,234
Speaker 7: had the same conversation of can they get to the

1850
01:27:38,354 --> 01:27:40,994
Speaker 7: end and show a little spark. We drew comparisons to

1851
01:27:41,034 --> 01:27:43,314
Speaker 7: the Patriots teams of the early nineties that kind of

1852
01:27:43,314 --> 01:27:45,434
Speaker 7: did that, that rolled off some wins at the end.

1853
01:27:45,474 --> 01:27:47,394
Speaker 7: And then you looked when the schedule came out and

1854
01:27:47,434 --> 01:27:50,114
Speaker 7: you looked at the two games against Buffalo and a

1855
01:27:50,114 --> 01:27:53,074
Speaker 7: trip out to Arizona, and I mean I kind of

1856
01:27:53,074 --> 01:27:54,874
Speaker 7: felt like the Chargers would be where they are. They're

1857
01:27:55,314 --> 01:27:57,834
Speaker 7: behind Kansas City, but they're in the mix and they're

1858
01:27:57,874 --> 01:28:01,794
Speaker 7: fighting for a spot. It's it's really overwhelming for me

1859
01:28:01,874 --> 01:28:04,594
Speaker 7: right now to imagine them finding a new gear against

1860
01:28:04,594 --> 01:28:06,914
Speaker 7: these three teams, especially Buffalo.

1861
01:28:07,034 --> 01:28:09,394
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I would largely agree with the emao's premise that,

1862
01:28:09,434 --> 01:28:11,554
Speaker 4: you know, did they take a huge step back or

1863
01:28:11,594 --> 01:28:13,674
Speaker 4: is this kind of what that now? I thought offensively,

1864
01:28:13,714 --> 01:28:16,194
Speaker 4: they took a step back. Offensively against the Colts was

1865
01:28:16,234 --> 01:28:19,874
Speaker 4: as positive as I've been about the offense since probably

1866
01:28:19,954 --> 01:28:24,274
Speaker 4: Week one of last year. You know, in that Philadelphia

1867
01:28:24,314 --> 01:28:27,074
Speaker 4: second quarter when they went touchdown touchdown with mac jon

1868
01:28:27,194 --> 01:28:29,474
Speaker 4: that like man. Unfortunately, that was the high point of

1869
01:28:29,514 --> 01:28:33,354
Speaker 4: the year. Offensively. I felt pretty good about what I

1870
01:28:33,394 --> 01:28:37,434
Speaker 4: saw against Indianapolis. Offensively, they just weren't finishing the drives,

1871
01:28:37,434 --> 01:28:42,154
Speaker 4: but much more in terms of conventional offense, not like

1872
01:28:42,274 --> 01:28:46,354
Speaker 4: Drake May scrambled on that play and you know, converted

1873
01:28:46,354 --> 01:28:48,594
Speaker 4: a third and eighteen with a flukey kind of a run.

1874
01:28:48,634 --> 01:28:51,114
Speaker 4: Like no, it was just like regular offense. They were

1875
01:28:51,154 --> 01:28:53,354
Speaker 4: getting holding penalties in that game and it didn't matter.

1876
01:28:53,754 --> 01:28:56,194
Speaker 4: He was just going, you know, getting the first down. Anyway,

1877
01:28:56,994 --> 01:28:59,514
Speaker 4: this game was a step back, But as a team,

1878
01:28:59,554 --> 01:29:01,594
Speaker 4: I kind of agree with the emailer. I don't think

1879
01:29:01,594 --> 01:29:03,474
Speaker 4: it was all that much different than what we've seen

1880
01:29:03,554 --> 01:29:06,754
Speaker 4: most weeks. I think people were expecting a lot more

1881
01:29:06,794 --> 01:29:08,074
Speaker 4: coming off of bye right.

1882
01:29:09,074 --> 01:29:11,594
Speaker 7: And I think some people were probably pumping it up

1883
01:29:11,674 --> 01:29:13,434
Speaker 7: like this was the progression and this is where it

1884
01:29:13,434 --> 01:29:16,474
Speaker 7: would continue. And you were thrown off by a step back.

1885
01:29:18,314 --> 01:29:20,794
Speaker 5: Bill from Lake Arrowhead, California.

1886
01:29:20,794 --> 01:29:22,754
Speaker 7: You know, I've been there. Yeah, it's beautiful.

1887
01:29:22,754 --> 01:29:26,074
Speaker 5: I've been there twice. A long time listener and former

1888
01:29:26,114 --> 01:29:30,554
Speaker 5: subscriber to PFW, you guys mentioned how if we draft

1889
01:29:30,594 --> 01:29:33,554
Speaker 5: Travis Hunter, it's better value for him and the team

1890
01:29:33,594 --> 01:29:36,194
Speaker 5: if he played wide receiver instead of cornerback as a

1891
01:29:36,234 --> 01:29:37,674
Speaker 5: primary position.

1892
01:29:37,394 --> 01:29:38,954
Speaker 4: For him, Yeah, not for the team.

1893
01:29:39,074 --> 01:29:40,994
Speaker 5: Well be for the team too, if he was a

1894
01:29:41,034 --> 01:29:42,073
Speaker 5: really good wide receiver.

1895
01:29:42,714 --> 01:29:45,474
Speaker 4: Now the value for Travis Hunter is he's going to

1896
01:29:45,554 --> 01:29:47,634
Speaker 4: cost a lot more money. So that's not good value

1897
01:29:47,634 --> 01:29:48,114
Speaker 4: for the team.

1898
01:29:48,434 --> 01:29:52,714
Speaker 5: Well, i'd would I'd be more willing to pay him

1899
01:29:52,754 --> 01:29:54,754
Speaker 5: as a what I'd rather have him be a great

1900
01:29:54,794 --> 01:29:56,274
Speaker 5: wide receiver than a great cornerback.

1901
01:29:56,314 --> 01:29:57,634
Speaker 4: Oh sure, yeah, sure?

1902
01:29:57,834 --> 01:30:00,394
Speaker 5: Based off that fact, why is it that the team

1903
01:30:00,434 --> 01:30:03,434
Speaker 5: has never tried to get Marcus Jones more familiar with

1904
01:30:03,514 --> 01:30:06,474
Speaker 5: wide receiver or seriously make a run at trying to

1905
01:30:06,514 --> 01:30:09,234
Speaker 5: have him work out on offense. It's not like he's

1906
01:30:09,674 --> 01:30:12,234
Speaker 5: some lockdown corner and is electric when he has the

1907
01:30:12,274 --> 01:30:12,674
Speaker 5: ball in.

1908
01:30:12,634 --> 01:30:17,954
Speaker 4: His hands because he's five to eight. Yeah. Yeah, I've

1909
01:30:17,994 --> 01:30:19,234
Speaker 4: always Hunters six to one.

1910
01:30:19,314 --> 01:30:21,154
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've always thought they should try to switch him

1911
01:30:21,154 --> 01:30:24,274
Speaker 5: over and at least see if it works on Shout

1912
01:30:24,274 --> 01:30:27,554
Speaker 5: out Marines at Camp Handleton, all serving members of our

1913
01:30:27,554 --> 01:30:31,234
Speaker 5: military serving overseas during the holidays. We appreciate your service,

1914
01:30:31,274 --> 01:30:32,073
Speaker 5: ladies and gentlemen.

1915
01:30:32,194 --> 01:30:34,073
Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you for your service.

1916
01:30:34,194 --> 01:30:35,274
Speaker 5: Thank you for your service.

1917
01:30:35,474 --> 01:30:37,354
Speaker 7: Maybe stop by the color of me mind in Lake

1918
01:30:37,434 --> 01:30:39,714
Speaker 7: Arrowhead and see whatever happened to my monk that we

1919
01:30:39,794 --> 01:30:42,514
Speaker 7: made there back in.

1920
01:30:41,634 --> 01:30:44,314
Speaker 5: Fifteen years ago. There After you make it, you don't

1921
01:30:44,354 --> 01:30:44,994
Speaker 5: have to bring it home.

1922
01:30:45,114 --> 01:30:46,914
Speaker 7: Me and Lane went there and they're like like, oh no,

1923
01:30:46,994 --> 01:30:48,514
Speaker 7: we'll cook it and send it to you. You know

1924
01:30:48,874 --> 01:30:51,034
Speaker 7: they did, and we never got it. And I'm still

1925
01:30:51,034 --> 01:30:51,634
Speaker 7: waiting for my mind.

1926
01:30:51,714 --> 01:30:55,074
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I understand the value thing, Like you

1927
01:30:55,074 --> 01:30:56,474
Speaker 4: can look at it different ways.

1928
01:30:57,314 --> 01:31:00,113
Speaker 5: I think the value sly cornerback is the more affordable.

1929
01:31:00,674 --> 01:31:02,754
Speaker 4: Well, I think Evans point yesterday when he was talking

1930
01:31:02,754 --> 01:31:05,314
Speaker 4: about that is it's more valuable to him to be

1931
01:31:06,114 --> 01:31:09,394
Speaker 4: considered a wide receiver because that's they make more money

1932
01:31:09,394 --> 01:31:10,114
Speaker 4: than cornerbacks.

1933
01:31:10,194 --> 01:31:10,394
Speaker 5: Yep.

1934
01:31:11,034 --> 01:31:16,074
Speaker 4: But I don't necessarily mean they need a wide receiver.

1935
01:31:16,154 --> 01:31:18,594
Speaker 4: They need a cornerback, you know, for the team. I

1936
01:31:18,634 --> 01:31:20,234
Speaker 4: don't really think it matters all that much.

1937
01:31:20,874 --> 01:31:24,954
Speaker 5: Kylon Pembroke has some bills versus Patriots rivalry trivia.

1938
01:31:24,674 --> 01:31:27,914
Speaker 4: Oh love trivia, and I failed so miserable yesterday. I

1939
01:31:27,994 --> 01:31:29,394
Speaker 4: have to redeem myself.

1940
01:31:29,394 --> 01:31:31,874
Speaker 5: This first one. Everyone should be able to get. What

1941
01:31:31,994 --> 01:31:33,594
Speaker 5: was the year of their first.

1942
01:31:33,314 --> 01:31:35,674
Speaker 4: Game, nineteen sixty correct?

1943
01:31:36,474 --> 01:31:43,714
Speaker 5: Any bonus if you know who won? Buffalo Buffalo thirteen nothing?

1944
01:31:44,034 --> 01:31:46,874
Speaker 5: How many total times have the two teams.

1945
01:31:46,554 --> 01:31:55,674
Speaker 20: Played forty sixty two hundred sixty much lessifty fifty, one

1946
01:31:55,754 --> 01:31:57,954
Speaker 20: hundred and twenty nine, one hundred and twenty nine.

1947
01:31:58,394 --> 01:32:02,714
Speaker 5: According to Kyle, who leads the all time series.

1948
01:32:04,354 --> 01:32:06,434
Speaker 4: I'm going to say the Patriots, they do.

1949
01:32:07,274 --> 01:32:11,554
Speaker 5: Bonus for the record. How many how many wins do

1950
01:32:11,594 --> 01:32:12,154
Speaker 5: you think they have?

1951
01:32:12,754 --> 01:32:13,874
Speaker 4: Seventy close?

1952
01:32:13,914 --> 01:32:16,674
Speaker 5: Seventy eight, seventy eight to fifty and one.

1953
01:32:17,114 --> 01:32:18,514
Speaker 4: It's a bigger spread than I thought.

1954
01:32:18,754 --> 01:32:20,354
Speaker 5: Who leads the playoff series?

1955
01:32:24,714 --> 01:32:25,674
Speaker 7: Bill's zip?

1956
01:32:28,874 --> 01:32:31,514
Speaker 4: Didn't they play Buffalo in a playoff game? A tough one?

1957
01:32:32,034 --> 01:32:34,274
Speaker 4: It's one one correct?

1958
01:32:34,274 --> 01:32:38,714
Speaker 5: Part one one sixty three, it's tide, it's tiede yep.

1959
01:32:39,114 --> 01:32:40,914
Speaker 4: That was the one time that the Patriots went to

1960
01:32:40,954 --> 01:32:44,394
Speaker 4: the AFL Championship. They had to play Buffalo in a

1961
01:32:44,434 --> 01:32:45,674
Speaker 4: playoff game to get there.

1962
01:32:46,354 --> 01:32:49,554
Speaker 5: Yeah, And what year was there? What year was their

1963
01:32:49,594 --> 01:32:51,634
Speaker 5: only tie in the game?

1964
01:32:52,554 --> 01:32:54,154
Speaker 4: I have to be in Well, it could have been

1965
01:32:54,154 --> 01:32:57,394
Speaker 4: in the early seventies too, but I'm gonna say nineteen sixty.

1966
01:32:57,154 --> 01:33:00,434
Speaker 5: Six, closed sixty eight, sixteen sixteen.

1967
01:33:00,874 --> 01:33:02,354
Speaker 4: What had to be in the sixties. I mean they

1968
01:33:02,354 --> 01:33:04,634
Speaker 4: haven't because you would have known up until seventy five,

1969
01:33:05,034 --> 01:33:07,234
Speaker 4: seventy four in the weather for any other one when

1970
01:33:07,234 --> 01:33:09,554
Speaker 4: the overtime came, it would have been seventy four.

1971
01:33:09,674 --> 01:33:12,594
Speaker 7: Right, So who do you think of the three AFC

1972
01:33:12,634 --> 01:33:17,314
Speaker 7: East teams have more name games against the Patriots over

1973
01:33:16,954 --> 01:33:20,234
Speaker 7: the twenty years, Like I'm thinking of Miami. Miami's got

1974
01:33:20,274 --> 01:33:22,634
Speaker 7: a bunch. I mean Buffalo, you mean with us?

1975
01:33:22,794 --> 01:33:23,154
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1976
01:33:23,314 --> 01:33:25,634
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the Patriots in general had a ton

1977
01:33:25,674 --> 01:33:27,114
Speaker 4: of name games.

1978
01:33:27,114 --> 01:33:30,754
Speaker 7: Then against but against those teams, like Jets had a

1979
01:33:30,794 --> 01:33:33,354
Speaker 7: couple of Rex Ryan games, forty five to three.

1980
01:33:33,434 --> 01:33:36,314
Speaker 4: The white board game. But the forty five to three game.

1981
01:33:36,394 --> 01:33:37,474
Speaker 4: Was there a name for that?

1982
01:33:37,994 --> 01:33:38,834
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't wait.

1983
01:33:40,914 --> 01:33:42,954
Speaker 7: That was the paydoal when.

1984
01:33:42,834 --> 01:33:45,154
Speaker 4: They when we beat them forty five to three, and

1985
01:33:45,194 --> 01:33:47,914
Speaker 4: then five or six weeks later they beat us in

1986
01:33:47,954 --> 01:33:48,474
Speaker 4: the playoffs.

1987
01:33:48,554 --> 01:33:51,754
Speaker 5: Right, No, that no, that was just that didn't happen.

1988
01:33:51,754 --> 01:33:54,154
Speaker 4: But we had the white board game that you love

1989
01:33:54,234 --> 01:34:00,514
Speaker 4: Greece sorry, Grease board game. Yeah, but but Fumble game, yeah,

1990
01:34:00,914 --> 01:34:03,994
Speaker 4: Buffalo Hardwashed game, the Wind game, the car Wash game,

1991
01:34:04,034 --> 01:34:08,514
Speaker 4: I remember one one, but they had the Wind game,

1992
01:34:08,594 --> 01:34:11,674
Speaker 4: for Buffalo maybe that Watson game.

1993
01:34:11,674 --> 01:34:13,714
Speaker 5: And Miami you had the Steve Burton game.

1994
01:34:14,554 --> 01:34:21,354
Speaker 7: Yeah, right, yeah, the Miami Miracle, Miami Miracle, Kenny and

1995
01:34:21,434 --> 01:34:22,154
Speaker 7: Drake Radio.

1996
01:34:22,434 --> 01:34:25,674
Speaker 5: Was there a name for the game where uh we

1997
01:34:25,674 --> 01:34:28,914
Speaker 5: were killing them? They took Brady out and immediately Miami

1998
01:34:28,954 --> 01:34:30,834
Speaker 5: scored the.

1999
01:34:30,794 --> 01:34:33,514
Speaker 4: Game you're talking about? Yeah, that's what the Who had

2000
01:34:33,554 --> 01:34:35,274
Speaker 4: to do that to us recently?

2001
01:34:36,674 --> 01:34:37,314
Speaker 7: Seven, wasn't it?

2002
01:34:37,354 --> 01:34:41,474
Speaker 4: Miami just did it. Miami did it and they fumbled

2003
01:34:41,474 --> 01:34:44,274
Speaker 4: a handoff and Gonzo ran it back and they had

2004
01:34:44,314 --> 01:34:45,194
Speaker 4: to put to a back in.

2005
01:34:45,474 --> 01:34:51,074
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah. I think the Jets have the most name games, right,

2006
01:34:51,554 --> 01:34:55,274
Speaker 5: Border War, Border War, Yeah, tunea Bowl, one, Tuna Bowl.

2007
01:34:56,194 --> 01:34:59,674
Speaker 5: You know, definitely they had the most name games.

2008
01:34:59,714 --> 01:35:02,314
Speaker 7: That's whether they're they're number one. Rile Yep, yep.

2009
01:35:03,474 --> 01:35:04,994
Speaker 4: A lot of name games.

2010
01:35:05,474 --> 01:35:10,034
Speaker 5: Uh j from Tamper Smuff Harper Well that was of course,

2011
01:35:10,034 --> 01:35:11,354
Speaker 5: that was the Broncos.

2012
01:35:11,994 --> 01:35:14,394
Speaker 4: I mean, you knew exactly what the mortar kick, you

2013
01:35:14,434 --> 01:35:17,114
Speaker 4: know exactly what it is, yeh. I just I'm sure

2014
01:35:17,114 --> 01:35:19,474
Speaker 4: that other teams have those two. But I just feel

2015
01:35:19,514 --> 01:35:23,874
Speaker 4: like over the last twenty years, there's like thirty different

2016
01:35:23,954 --> 01:35:25,634
Speaker 4: names that you could say, you know, I to say

2017
01:35:25,674 --> 01:35:28,274
Speaker 4: anything else to a Patriots fan and they know exactly

2018
01:35:28,274 --> 01:35:29,234
Speaker 4: the game you're talking about.

2019
01:35:29,314 --> 01:35:33,594
Speaker 5: Pumping in the music game six AFC Championship.

2020
01:35:33,634 --> 01:35:34,954
Speaker 4: Don't forget they pumped in the flu.

2021
01:35:35,154 --> 01:35:39,994
Speaker 5: The flu on the heat, Jay and Tampa. My apologies

2022
01:35:39,994 --> 01:35:41,834
Speaker 5: if this has been discussed, but I'm not able to

2023
01:35:41,874 --> 01:35:46,034
Speaker 5: listen live. But something I haven't heard talked about a

2024
01:35:46,074 --> 01:35:49,314
Speaker 5: lot this week is the weather in Buffalo. Well, we

2025
01:35:49,394 --> 01:35:51,754
Speaker 5: talked about it a lot today. It looks like the

2026
01:35:51,794 --> 01:35:54,434
Speaker 5: temperature will be around ten to fifteen degrees that kickoff,

2027
01:35:54,754 --> 01:35:57,194
Speaker 5: and this will be our first look at Drake May

2028
01:35:57,674 --> 01:36:00,754
Speaker 5: navigating the extreme cold. I'm curious in your thoughts on

2029
01:36:00,794 --> 01:36:03,554
Speaker 5: how important this specific game is when it comes to

2030
01:36:03,594 --> 01:36:07,314
Speaker 5: what we should expect moving forward from our hopefully franchise quarterback. Well,

2031
01:36:07,354 --> 01:36:10,194
Speaker 5: I expect to play in a lot of cold weather games.

2032
01:36:10,514 --> 01:36:13,554
Speaker 5: I would hate to have a tour situation on our hands.

2033
01:36:15,154 --> 01:36:17,154
Speaker 4: I think it's important for him to experience it. Ye,

2034
01:36:17,314 --> 01:36:19,034
Speaker 4: I don't think it's I don't think it's important for

2035
01:36:19,114 --> 01:36:19,994
Speaker 4: him to play exceptionally.

2036
01:36:19,994 --> 01:36:21,994
Speaker 5: Well, I don't think he can make any judgment from

2037
01:36:21,994 --> 01:36:24,714
Speaker 5: it either. You know, now, if he has a great.

2038
01:36:24,554 --> 01:36:26,794
Speaker 4: Game, better about it. If he has a great game

2039
01:36:27,034 --> 01:36:28,874
Speaker 4: and you're like, Okay, I don't have to worry about that, right.

2040
01:36:28,834 --> 01:36:30,914
Speaker 7: There's gonna be a lot of superficial vibes, I feel

2041
01:36:30,954 --> 01:36:32,794
Speaker 7: like in the pregame, Like when we're hosting the pregame

2042
01:36:32,834 --> 01:36:34,674
Speaker 7: warm up and we see Drake, like, I'm gonna like,

2043
01:36:34,794 --> 01:36:35,514
Speaker 7: just don't look cold.

2044
01:36:35,554 --> 01:36:37,954
Speaker 4: But if he plays badly, I don't think that's a

2045
01:36:37,994 --> 01:36:41,794
Speaker 4: tool situation. Like that's like his first game three and eleven,

2046
01:36:41,994 --> 01:36:44,154
Speaker 4: right in the midst of a four game losing streak.

2047
01:36:45,434 --> 01:36:47,074
Speaker 5: Last night. I wouldn't be doing my job if I

2048
01:36:47,074 --> 01:36:48,914
Speaker 5: didn't give a shout out to the best Patriots fan

2049
01:36:48,954 --> 01:36:52,314
Speaker 5: club in existence today, the Tampa, New England Patriots Fan Club.

2050
01:36:52,394 --> 01:36:54,314
Speaker 5: It is a good fan club. By the way, we're

2051
01:36:54,314 --> 01:36:56,874
Speaker 5: excited to host the Patriots and their fans next season

2052
01:36:56,914 --> 01:36:59,514
Speaker 5: down here where the cold weather is never an issue.

2053
01:36:59,554 --> 01:37:03,514
Speaker 5: And Fred, unlike Nashville, you're officially invited to our Saturday

2054
01:37:03,594 --> 01:37:07,794
Speaker 5: night party. Well, thank you, appreciate that. And guess who's here.

2055
01:37:10,594 --> 01:37:15,794
Speaker 11: Has turned practice has turned?

2056
01:37:16,594 --> 01:37:18,474
Speaker 1: Has turned practice?

2057
01:37:22,474 --> 01:37:26,114
Speaker 5: Evan little haircut haircut to give a shout out to

2058
01:37:26,114 --> 01:37:28,034
Speaker 5: where you went careful.

2059
01:37:27,674 --> 01:37:30,714
Speaker 6: Barbershop all the time, right down here, right down the street.

2060
01:37:30,994 --> 01:37:34,634
Speaker 6: Route one, right next to the Pappaginos D'angelo's right in

2061
01:37:34,674 --> 01:37:34,994
Speaker 6: the shop.

2062
01:37:35,074 --> 01:37:36,474
Speaker 5: You look smaller.

2063
01:37:36,594 --> 01:37:37,274
Speaker 4: I'm just looking at you.

2064
01:37:37,954 --> 01:37:38,594
Speaker 7: Look at the shop.

2065
01:37:38,714 --> 01:37:39,274
Speaker 5: You look good.

2066
01:37:39,354 --> 01:37:40,794
Speaker 6: My guy Sam hooked me up today.

2067
01:37:41,034 --> 01:37:41,994
Speaker 4: Yeah, go see him.

2068
01:37:42,274 --> 01:37:43,874
Speaker 7: He's kind of caught in the middle of a barber shop.

2069
01:37:44,474 --> 01:37:45,794
Speaker 4: I want to talk about this one.

2070
01:37:45,794 --> 01:37:48,474
Speaker 5: You can just walk into, you can, you can't walk in,

2071
01:37:48,554 --> 01:37:49,954
Speaker 5: but they're busy, busy.

2072
01:37:49,994 --> 01:37:52,274
Speaker 6: I just walked in this morning, which was nice. But

2073
01:37:52,474 --> 01:37:56,434
Speaker 6: before yeah, we had to be here today. And they do.

2074
01:37:56,474 --> 01:37:57,274
Speaker 5: They do a good job.

2075
01:37:57,314 --> 01:37:59,834
Speaker 6: They do a lot. You know a lot of Patriots

2076
01:37:59,834 --> 01:38:00,514
Speaker 6: people go there.

2077
01:38:00,674 --> 01:38:02,634
Speaker 5: Players and Mac Jones used.

2078
01:38:02,474 --> 01:38:05,914
Speaker 4: To go and in six months when I need another haircut.

2079
01:38:06,274 --> 01:38:09,154
Speaker 6: But also a new doorway situation.

2080
01:38:09,754 --> 01:38:11,034
Speaker 4: Yeah, just concerting.

2081
01:38:11,114 --> 01:38:12,994
Speaker 6: That completely threw me off. And I walked in and

2082
01:38:13,034 --> 01:38:14,914
Speaker 6: I scared the crap out of Jewels because she did

2083
01:38:14,914 --> 01:38:17,434
Speaker 6: not hear me come in and she jumped about ten

2084
01:38:17,474 --> 01:38:19,514
Speaker 6: feet in the air. So that was good to good comedy.

2085
01:38:19,714 --> 01:38:22,434
Speaker 5: All right, Well, Evan, lots to talk about. You just

2086
01:38:22,474 --> 01:38:24,634
Speaker 5: came back from practice. What's going on out there?

2087
01:38:24,754 --> 01:38:29,354
Speaker 6: Yeah, so some interesting absences today from practice. So no

2088
01:38:29,514 --> 01:38:34,194
Speaker 6: Marcus Jones, no Kyle Duggar, and no Jamichael Hasty. So

2089
01:38:34,234 --> 01:38:38,194
Speaker 6: those are the three players missing from practice. We don't

2090
01:38:38,234 --> 01:38:41,474
Speaker 6: really have a great feel for why right now, but

2091
01:38:42,234 --> 01:38:45,194
Speaker 6: dugger in particular, the intennas went up for a lot

2092
01:38:45,234 --> 01:38:48,474
Speaker 6: of us on that one, and we all have talked

2093
01:38:48,474 --> 01:38:52,554
Speaker 6: about how he's struggled since coming back from injury a

2094
01:38:52,634 --> 01:38:54,994
Speaker 6: couple of weeks ago. And I wonder if you know,

2095
01:38:55,114 --> 01:38:58,314
Speaker 6: he's playing through something that we don't know about, and

2096
01:38:58,834 --> 01:39:02,514
Speaker 6: maybe it's finally come to a head that he's missing practice.

2097
01:39:02,234 --> 01:39:04,474
Speaker 7: Could be yeah, yeah, or do you think it's shut

2098
01:39:04,514 --> 01:39:06,314
Speaker 7: him down, he's heard he can't do it? Like is

2099
01:39:06,354 --> 01:39:07,274
Speaker 7: that maybe you.

2100
01:39:07,274 --> 01:39:08,834
Speaker 5: Know you kind of hope for the future that that

2101
01:39:08,994 --> 01:39:09,474
Speaker 5: is the case.

2102
01:39:09,514 --> 01:39:13,274
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, for sure. If I'm absolutely, if I'm Dard Mayo,

2103
01:39:13,394 --> 01:39:15,514
Speaker 4: I hope that he's at less than one hundred percent.

2104
01:39:15,514 --> 01:39:17,514
Speaker 4: And that's why, Ye, yeah, this is happening.

2105
01:39:17,594 --> 01:39:19,914
Speaker 6: There's just some really uncarried you know, he's always had

2106
01:39:19,914 --> 01:39:22,834
Speaker 6: some inconsistencies and stuff like that, but some of the

2107
01:39:22,874 --> 01:39:26,154
Speaker 6: mistackles and in some of the plays, you know, the

2108
01:39:26,194 --> 01:39:29,354
Speaker 6: effort plays that he's he's missed, they're just not not

2109
01:39:30,074 --> 01:39:30,754
Speaker 6: really his mo.

2110
01:39:31,074 --> 01:39:33,634
Speaker 5: Yeah, So okay, what else?

2111
01:39:35,074 --> 01:39:35,314
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2112
01:39:35,394 --> 01:39:39,234
Speaker 6: That was it like pretty pretty normal looks like they

2113
01:39:39,234 --> 01:39:42,394
Speaker 6: do have a new practice squad wide receiver Alex Erickson

2114
01:39:42,474 --> 01:39:43,434
Speaker 6: used to be with the Bengals.

2115
01:39:43,434 --> 01:39:44,154
Speaker 4: Oh, I remember him.

2116
01:39:44,554 --> 01:39:46,754
Speaker 6: I think a lot of us probably thought that he

2117
01:39:46,914 --> 01:39:49,234
Speaker 6: was going to be a Patriot target at some point,

2118
01:39:49,394 --> 01:39:52,274
Speaker 6: given the position that he plays in the slot. So

2119
01:39:52,754 --> 01:39:55,674
Speaker 6: you know, he's he seems to be added to the

2120
01:39:55,674 --> 01:39:58,034
Speaker 6: practice squad. He as a locker, he's out of practice,

2121
01:39:58,194 --> 01:40:00,474
Speaker 6: so he seems to be added to that mix. And

2122
01:40:00,514 --> 01:40:02,754
Speaker 6: it was interesting because you know, last week they only

2123
01:40:02,754 --> 01:40:05,714
Speaker 6: had four active receivers because Baker was in concussion protocol,

2124
01:40:05,834 --> 01:40:07,994
Speaker 6: so he was an active and all year long they

2125
01:40:08,034 --> 01:40:10,714
Speaker 6: had like seven receivers on the roster. All of a sudden,

2126
01:40:10,714 --> 01:40:12,954
Speaker 6: you look up and there's only four guys on the

2127
01:40:12,954 --> 01:40:16,234
Speaker 6: game day roster. So added one to the practice squad there.

2128
01:40:16,314 --> 01:40:19,594
Speaker 4: And it was interesting because he took on the practice squad.

2129
01:40:19,674 --> 01:40:22,394
Speaker 4: Liam Fournadell, who I know a lot of people like,

2130
01:40:22,434 --> 01:40:25,034
Speaker 4: who what, it's an offensive lineman. But he's been here

2131
01:40:25,794 --> 01:40:28,514
Speaker 4: day one of training camp, Yeah, all the way through,

2132
01:40:28,554 --> 01:40:30,514
Speaker 4: And that's kind of rare to have a guy in

2133
01:40:30,554 --> 01:40:34,274
Speaker 4: the practice squad that goes wire to wire and you

2134
01:40:34,314 --> 01:40:36,954
Speaker 4: know they have sixteen guys, there's probably maybe four or

2135
01:40:36,954 --> 01:40:38,834
Speaker 4: five that do that. He was one.

2136
01:40:38,954 --> 01:40:41,114
Speaker 7: Yeah, Terrell jenningsark guy, he's one of them too. It's

2137
01:40:41,114 --> 01:40:41,474
Speaker 7: been around.

2138
01:40:41,554 --> 01:40:45,634
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know Caleb Jones is the only offensive lineman

2139
01:40:45,674 --> 01:40:48,034
Speaker 6: on the practice squad. Now, Yeah, we were taking attendance.

2140
01:40:48,114 --> 01:40:49,634
Speaker 4: I was like, huh, there's only we had another call

2141
01:40:49,674 --> 01:40:50,594
Speaker 4: today looking for kids.

2142
01:40:50,594 --> 01:40:53,754
Speaker 6: There's only one offensive lineman now on the practice squad.

2143
01:40:54,194 --> 01:40:57,114
Speaker 6: So it did look like the offensive line, at least

2144
01:40:57,114 --> 01:40:59,754
Speaker 6: from the very very brief portion that we saw have

2145
01:40:59,874 --> 01:41:03,394
Speaker 6: remained the same as what we saw in Sunday in Arizona.

2146
01:41:03,514 --> 01:41:05,434
Speaker 6: So no changes at least from a.

2147
01:41:05,434 --> 01:41:08,354
Speaker 5: Week of offensive line in Arizona. Was funny hearing Hoodie

2148
01:41:08,354 --> 01:41:14,674
Speaker 5: Ferrudi out there making mistakes. Yeah, so today is a

2149
01:41:14,674 --> 01:41:17,194
Speaker 5: big day for the media. It's the equivalent of the

2150
01:41:17,194 --> 01:41:20,594
Speaker 5: Golden Globes. They gave out the Good Guy Award. Was

2151
01:41:20,594 --> 01:41:23,234
Speaker 5: there a lot of talk about that and Jonathan, you know,

2152
01:41:23,394 --> 01:41:24,474
Speaker 5: not before because we had.

2153
01:41:25,354 --> 01:41:28,554
Speaker 6: Saying so you didn't get a vote, didn't I voted

2154
01:41:28,554 --> 01:41:29,594
Speaker 6: every year I've been on the beat.

2155
01:41:29,674 --> 01:41:30,434
Speaker 4: You guys didn't vote.

2156
01:41:30,474 --> 01:41:31,394
Speaker 6: Didn't vote this year?

2157
01:41:31,514 --> 01:41:32,674
Speaker 4: Wow, it's just respect.

2158
01:41:32,754 --> 01:41:34,634
Speaker 5: They really, they really stick it to you.

2159
01:41:34,674 --> 01:41:40,194
Speaker 6: Now I'm gonna decide that that wasn't necessarily on purpose.

2160
01:41:40,234 --> 01:41:41,394
Speaker 6: Like we don't sit down, but you.

2161
01:41:41,434 --> 01:41:43,594
Speaker 4: Doors are in the locker room every day. You guys

2162
01:41:43,634 --> 01:41:46,114
Speaker 4: should have voted. I haven't voted for the last couple

2163
01:41:46,114 --> 01:41:47,274
Speaker 4: of years because I'm not around this.

2164
01:41:47,474 --> 01:41:48,794
Speaker 7: I haven't voted since my first year.

2165
01:41:49,194 --> 01:41:53,074
Speaker 4: Really, that's disrespectful, Mike. I'm taking that as disrespect on

2166
01:41:53,154 --> 01:41:53,674
Speaker 4: your behalf.

2167
01:41:53,794 --> 01:41:56,394
Speaker 6: On your behalf, I'm going to take something that that

2168
01:41:56,514 --> 01:41:59,074
Speaker 6: was an oversight because I voted last year, I voted

2169
01:41:59,074 --> 01:42:01,714
Speaker 6: the year before. Since I started working for the team.

2170
01:42:01,594 --> 01:42:03,474
Speaker 5: I think you might be on the outsit some of

2171
01:42:03,514 --> 01:42:06,794
Speaker 5: these guys. True, maybe it's probably possible, But was it

2172
01:42:06,794 --> 01:42:10,794
Speaker 5: a you know, if it's unanimous or was there a split?

2173
01:42:11,154 --> 01:42:11,514
Speaker 10: Was there?

2174
01:42:11,754 --> 01:42:13,554
Speaker 6: I did not ask, you know, I don't know. I

2175
01:42:13,594 --> 01:42:16,074
Speaker 6: did not ask Andrew callahand.

2176
01:42:15,714 --> 01:42:18,914
Speaker 5: So you didn't any people that were a little upset

2177
01:42:18,954 --> 01:42:19,714
Speaker 5: with the outcome.

2178
01:42:19,954 --> 01:42:22,314
Speaker 6: No, it's pretty hard to be upset with that pick.

2179
01:42:22,354 --> 01:42:25,274
Speaker 6: I mean, Jonathan Jones is a patriot.

2180
01:42:25,674 --> 01:42:28,834
Speaker 5: Against Jonathan Jones. But you know, maybe somebody you know,

2181
01:42:29,434 --> 01:42:31,994
Speaker 5: like Dietrich wise just as much or something like that.

2182
01:42:32,234 --> 01:42:34,954
Speaker 6: Yeah, Deetrich, I feel like has always gotten some votes

2183
01:42:34,994 --> 01:42:38,794
Speaker 6: in the past, always a podium guy that's willing to

2184
01:42:38,794 --> 01:42:41,354
Speaker 6: come to the podium win, lose, draw. But I think

2185
01:42:41,874 --> 01:42:44,314
Speaker 6: with Jonathan Jones in particular, not to look down at

2186
01:42:44,314 --> 01:42:47,554
Speaker 6: anybody else, but he's really good, like at his locker

2187
01:42:47,994 --> 01:42:51,394
Speaker 6: in the locker room, just like talking shop with you.

2188
01:42:51,394 --> 01:42:53,874
Speaker 6: You know, like he's not necessarily gonna give you the playbook,

2189
01:42:53,914 --> 01:42:57,914
Speaker 6: but like he's he's really good at sort of you know,

2190
01:42:58,434 --> 01:43:00,754
Speaker 6: giving you a little bit of the behind the scenes

2191
01:43:00,834 --> 01:43:02,994
Speaker 6: of like what guys are like and you know, that

2192
01:43:03,154 --> 01:43:04,634
Speaker 6: sort of thing. So that's always cool.

2193
01:43:04,674 --> 01:43:06,994
Speaker 7: I think he's excellent too at just giving you a

2194
01:43:07,074 --> 01:43:10,234
Speaker 7: nice succinct SoundBite, where a lot of these guys they

2195
01:43:10,314 --> 01:43:13,114
Speaker 7: say the same thing like six different ways and that's

2196
01:43:13,114 --> 01:43:16,714
Speaker 7: but he says it once direct. He's very he's good

2197
01:43:16,714 --> 01:43:18,634
Speaker 7: at that, and you appreciate it, just you know, when

2198
01:43:18,634 --> 01:43:21,714
Speaker 7: you're trying to gather quotes like perfect, you know, just

2199
01:43:21,714 --> 01:43:24,634
Speaker 7: a nice two sentences Jonathan Bang, it's exactly what I

2200
01:43:24,634 --> 01:43:26,314
Speaker 7: need to whereas some of the other guys you got

2201
01:43:26,354 --> 01:43:28,914
Speaker 7: to go through and it's you knows and you know

2202
01:43:28,954 --> 01:43:30,514
Speaker 7: the same thing and all that stuff.

2203
01:43:30,794 --> 01:43:34,074
Speaker 5: So if the players were to sit down and give

2204
01:43:34,114 --> 01:43:35,994
Speaker 5: an award to the good guy.

2205
01:43:36,794 --> 01:43:40,434
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't think there's really anything like

2206
01:43:40,474 --> 01:43:43,474
Speaker 4: this is one of those votes that is unfair to

2207
01:43:43,514 --> 01:43:46,394
Speaker 4: any others. You'd have to treat it like we used

2208
01:43:46,394 --> 01:43:49,114
Speaker 4: to do with Tom Brady. Yeah, like Patriots m V.

2209
01:43:49,354 --> 01:43:52,994
Speaker 4: Other than than Tom Brady, it would have to be

2210
01:43:53,074 --> 01:43:53,994
Speaker 4: excluding Mike g Reese.

2211
01:43:54,634 --> 01:43:56,754
Speaker 5: Mike Reese has gotten pretty tough lately.

2212
01:43:56,514 --> 01:43:58,794
Speaker 4: But he is the greatest guy that I've ever met. Yeah,

2213
01:43:59,714 --> 01:44:00,514
Speaker 4: and I think that.

2214
01:44:00,394 --> 01:44:02,434
Speaker 5: All the players, well, he has dinner at their house,

2215
01:44:02,674 --> 01:44:03,274
Speaker 5: the same thing.

2216
01:44:03,954 --> 01:44:09,794
Speaker 7: He's just always Mike's always so appreciated, you know that.

2217
01:44:09,994 --> 01:44:12,514
Speaker 4: I you know, like those made him. Mike made Mike

2218
01:44:12,754 --> 01:44:14,274
Speaker 4: another king maker.

2219
01:44:14,074 --> 01:44:16,834
Speaker 7: Those those Monday afternoons that we get those guys virtually

2220
01:44:16,954 --> 01:44:19,194
Speaker 7: and there are not many people on there, and he

2221
01:44:19,274 --> 01:44:22,994
Speaker 7: is always on there, thanking them for their time, respectfully

2222
01:44:23,234 --> 01:44:26,194
Speaker 7: asking questions and really asking I think a lot of

2223
01:44:26,194 --> 01:44:29,354
Speaker 7: times the questions that need to be in.

2224
01:44:29,314 --> 01:44:35,034
Speaker 5: A respectful, totally respectful Other than Mike, Karen Region Karen.

2225
01:44:34,794 --> 01:44:37,274
Speaker 4: Would be up there, So I think I think like

2226
01:44:37,474 --> 01:44:40,914
Speaker 4: this is for the players from the players players, I

2227
01:44:40,954 --> 01:44:44,314
Speaker 4: think you know, Phil would be up there too. Yeah,

2228
01:44:44,314 --> 01:44:47,474
Speaker 4: I think everybody likes filling Tom, but probably Phil over

2229
01:44:47,514 --> 01:44:52,754
Speaker 4: Tom no offense, Tom don't hit Yeah, yeah, Yeah.

2230
01:44:52,754 --> 01:44:55,034
Speaker 6: But I think with Mike too, like just watching him

2231
01:44:55,074 --> 01:44:57,994
Speaker 6: like work the locker room, like you just like pick

2232
01:44:58,074 --> 01:45:01,154
Speaker 6: up a lot of like how to approach players and like,

2233
01:45:01,434 --> 01:45:02,914
Speaker 6: you know, you don't want to just come in guns

2234
01:45:02,914 --> 01:45:06,034
Speaker 6: blazon and like have like a million like negative questions

2235
01:45:06,074 --> 01:45:08,034
Speaker 6: right off the bat. And like he does a really

2236
01:45:08,114 --> 01:45:11,074
Speaker 6: good job of like acting like a human being to

2237
01:45:11,194 --> 01:45:14,074
Speaker 6: these guys and not just like peppering them with with

2238
01:45:14,194 --> 01:45:16,634
Speaker 6: questions on football and stuff like that right off the bat.

2239
01:45:16,714 --> 01:45:20,114
Speaker 4: Mike would be a great course to young reporters as

2240
01:45:20,154 --> 01:45:26,394
Speaker 4: to how to not shy away from difficult jacks, but

2241
01:45:26,554 --> 01:45:28,914
Speaker 4: to do it in a respectful manner. Yeah, and like

2242
01:45:28,994 --> 01:45:29,594
Speaker 4: he has.

2243
01:45:29,474 --> 01:45:32,634
Speaker 5: A really good feeling and you know, no kidding aside

2244
01:45:32,834 --> 01:45:36,314
Speaker 5: or all kidding aside, I should say. When Bill was here,

2245
01:45:36,634 --> 01:45:39,514
Speaker 5: Mike got shut down a lot like Bill, like to

2246
01:45:39,594 --> 01:45:41,954
Speaker 5: the point where we were like, why is Bill disrespecting

2247
01:45:41,994 --> 01:45:44,794
Speaker 5: Mike the way he is? You know, because Mike was

2248
01:45:44,834 --> 01:45:48,634
Speaker 5: only it was the only thing he was to Bill

2249
01:45:48,714 --> 01:45:51,994
Speaker 5: was respectful. And yet Bill would shoot Mike down for

2250
01:45:52,074 --> 01:45:54,074
Speaker 5: some of the questions he asked very often.

2251
01:45:54,234 --> 01:45:55,994
Speaker 4: Ye, so much so that it would get guys like

2252
01:45:56,034 --> 01:45:58,394
Speaker 4: Folker upset, Why are we treating Mike reas?

2253
01:45:58,634 --> 01:46:01,514
Speaker 6: I would actually love Bill versus Mike Grease, Like, not

2254
01:46:01,594 --> 01:46:04,434
Speaker 6: that it was versus necessarily, but I just that whole

2255
01:46:05,114 --> 01:46:08,194
Speaker 6: like back and forth because Mike is so nice. It's like,

2256
01:46:08,234 --> 01:46:10,034
Speaker 6: how how are you mean to that guy?

2257
01:46:10,274 --> 01:46:10,474
Speaker 10: Right?

2258
01:46:10,554 --> 01:46:12,634
Speaker 6: And then it would it would go against like every

2259
01:46:12,674 --> 01:46:15,434
Speaker 6: fiber and Bill's beinglers like that's it's almost like question.

2260
01:46:15,554 --> 01:46:17,634
Speaker 5: It hearts so much more when it comes from you, Mike.

2261
01:46:19,114 --> 01:46:21,554
Speaker 7: I just I hope other teams have their Mike Greasis,

2262
01:46:21,634 --> 01:46:23,834
Speaker 7: like I wonder that with other two Other teams have

2263
01:46:23,994 --> 01:46:26,234
Speaker 7: someone who is just one of a kind of the level,

2264
01:46:26,394 --> 01:46:28,194
Speaker 7: you know, Like I mean, there are certainly guys who

2265
01:46:28,274 --> 01:46:29,954
Speaker 7: asked tough questions and come at it kind of hard.

2266
01:46:29,954 --> 01:46:32,514
Speaker 7: There are other people that ask really soft, non topical

2267
01:46:32,594 --> 01:46:34,274
Speaker 7: questions that are kind of out of left field. But

2268
01:46:34,874 --> 01:46:37,194
Speaker 7: I feel like he always makes sure that you stay

2269
01:46:37,274 --> 01:46:40,034
Speaker 7: on course and keep the main thing the main thing.

2270
01:46:40,074 --> 01:46:41,394
Speaker 7: I think that's what Mike is really good.

2271
01:46:41,594 --> 01:46:44,634
Speaker 5: In Arizona, they named the Whole press Box after one

2272
01:46:44,634 --> 01:46:48,194
Speaker 5: of their former medium memos, Schoenfeld. Is that what his

2273
01:46:48,314 --> 01:46:51,034
Speaker 5: name was?

2274
01:46:51,194 --> 01:46:52,634
Speaker 7: Did you notice that when you were there for two

2275
01:46:52,634 --> 01:46:55,274
Speaker 7: of your Super Bowls, Paul, Yeah, it's.

2276
01:46:55,154 --> 01:47:01,074
Speaker 4: All over the I can't think of the guy's name now, okay,

2277
01:47:01,154 --> 01:47:03,154
Speaker 4: and I'm not thinking of this guy. I don't know

2278
01:47:03,154 --> 01:47:04,914
Speaker 4: if you know it was someone who passed away?

2279
01:47:05,194 --> 01:47:08,234
Speaker 6: Was the spot that Malcolm Butler picked off? Russell Wilson.

2280
01:47:08,474 --> 01:47:12,354
Speaker 6: I almost posted that picture, but ten other people beat

2281
01:47:12,434 --> 01:47:12,794
Speaker 6: me to it.

2282
01:47:13,994 --> 01:47:16,754
Speaker 5: So what else anything else coming out of practice that

2283
01:47:16,754 --> 01:47:20,074
Speaker 5: we should know about? Is there a chance that so

2284
01:47:20,074 --> 01:47:23,234
Speaker 5: they were in shells today, right, any chance that there's

2285
01:47:23,274 --> 01:47:26,394
Speaker 5: a way to get that feel house down to like

2286
01:47:26,514 --> 01:47:28,834
Speaker 5: five degrees and they practice in there.

2287
01:47:29,514 --> 01:47:32,474
Speaker 6: Well, if they stood like underneath you know how like

2288
01:47:33,394 --> 01:47:36,114
Speaker 6: that like the helipad, right, Yeah, and there's like the

2289
01:47:36,354 --> 01:47:40,074
Speaker 6: overhanging like area that it's like almost like a like

2290
01:47:40,114 --> 01:47:44,274
Speaker 6: a modular that hangs over there. Underneath there is like

2291
01:47:44,914 --> 01:47:47,714
Speaker 6: really cold because you're in the shade and it's like

2292
01:47:47,754 --> 01:47:50,314
Speaker 6: a wind tunnel under there. So they could just like

2293
01:47:50,394 --> 01:47:52,554
Speaker 6: maybe do a walk through under there or something and

2294
01:47:52,554 --> 01:47:55,194
Speaker 6: that probably drops it by like ten degrees. Like once

2295
01:47:55,234 --> 01:47:56,914
Speaker 6: we got out in the sun, it actually wasn't all

2296
01:47:56,954 --> 01:47:59,634
Speaker 6: that bad today. It was pretty pretty nice out for

2297
01:47:59,674 --> 01:48:00,434
Speaker 6: this time of year.

2298
01:48:00,714 --> 01:48:03,634
Speaker 5: No, it's a forty eight degrees. Yeah, what I would

2299
01:48:03,674 --> 01:48:04,354
Speaker 5: call mild.

2300
01:48:04,514 --> 01:48:07,794
Speaker 6: I would say it was thirty eight degrees. Underneath that that.

2301
01:48:07,674 --> 01:48:10,194
Speaker 5: Modular, but still that's warm compared to what they're going

2302
01:48:10,274 --> 01:48:12,834
Speaker 5: to face in Buffalo. Do you feel that there's been

2303
01:48:12,874 --> 01:48:15,434
Speaker 5: too much talk of the cold today?

2304
01:48:16,474 --> 01:48:20,034
Speaker 6: Yes, I guess because it's like like we're we're not

2305
01:48:20,114 --> 01:48:22,594
Speaker 6: in Miami here, like you know, like the other day

2306
01:48:22,634 --> 01:48:24,754
Speaker 6: we were out at practice and it was freezing like

2307
01:48:24,834 --> 01:48:27,634
Speaker 6: it was I think it was Thursday or Friday of Thursday,

2308
01:48:27,634 --> 01:48:31,114
Speaker 6: I think of last week and it was Kendrick Bourne

2309
01:48:31,114 --> 01:48:33,354
Speaker 6: said it was the coldest practice he's ever been a

2310
01:48:33,394 --> 01:48:33,714
Speaker 6: part of.

2311
01:48:34,514 --> 01:48:38,154
Speaker 4: He I agree with Mike and Evan on this. If

2312
01:48:38,194 --> 01:48:41,314
Speaker 4: it's just cold, and again we're not talking about like

2313
01:48:41,834 --> 01:48:46,314
Speaker 4: Tennessee three divisional playoff cold where it's like minus four fahrenheit,

2314
01:48:46,434 --> 01:48:50,474
Speaker 4: you know not. But if it's just cold, well that's

2315
01:48:50,474 --> 01:48:53,514
Speaker 4: what you were in New England. It's cold. It's cold

2316
01:48:53,514 --> 01:48:57,034
Speaker 4: here and it's cold there. But Buffalo usually but this

2317
01:48:57,194 --> 01:49:00,274
Speaker 4: windy Buffalo usually brings other stuff to the equation which

2318
01:49:00,354 --> 01:49:03,634
Speaker 4: makes it a bad weather game. You know, wind or

2319
01:49:03,674 --> 01:49:06,034
Speaker 4: snow or something and comes out of nowhere.

2320
01:49:06,034 --> 01:49:07,874
Speaker 5: You get hit with one of those toys that they

2321
01:49:07,914 --> 01:49:08,554
Speaker 5: throw out.

2322
01:49:08,874 --> 01:49:11,314
Speaker 4: Cold hard marital aid.

2323
01:49:11,394 --> 01:49:16,073
Speaker 7: If ye really manager that setting an unfair precedent.

2324
01:49:16,154 --> 01:49:18,154
Speaker 4: Do you remember the game that we were there in

2325
01:49:18,234 --> 01:49:19,354
Speaker 4: two thousands?

2326
01:49:19,354 --> 01:49:23,994
Speaker 5: It's ready, it's a breakup device. What's that, Paul?

2327
01:49:24,474 --> 01:49:25,754
Speaker 4: That's why I ever did it. I just wanted to

2328
01:49:25,754 --> 01:49:26,394
Speaker 4: talk football.

2329
01:49:26,474 --> 01:49:26,834
Speaker 5: What's up?

2330
01:49:28,754 --> 01:49:30,994
Speaker 4: The game that we were there Bill's first year in

2331
01:49:31,034 --> 01:49:35,554
Speaker 4: two thousand when we ended up, like you know, Bill

2332
01:49:35,674 --> 01:49:38,274
Speaker 4: was like, you know, we're going and some of the

2333
01:49:38,274 --> 01:49:40,314
Speaker 4: players got off the plane. Remember I got in trouble.

2334
01:49:40,634 --> 01:49:43,554
Speaker 4: But remember that that wasn't necessarily supposed to be like

2335
01:49:43,594 --> 01:49:45,354
Speaker 4: this word, you know, terrible game, And all of a

2336
01:49:45,354 --> 01:49:47,274
Speaker 4: sudden it's like in the middle of the game you

2337
01:49:47,314 --> 01:49:49,354
Speaker 4: could hardly see the field from the press box. It

2338
01:49:49,434 --> 01:49:52,634
Speaker 4: was like still blowing all over the place. Like somehow

2339
01:49:52,714 --> 01:49:53,914
Speaker 4: we got out of there that night.

2340
01:49:54,194 --> 01:49:56,354
Speaker 7: Yeah, sweet, you said guys got off the plane they

2341
01:49:56,394 --> 01:49:56,874
Speaker 7: didn't want to.

2342
01:49:56,794 --> 01:49:59,634
Speaker 4: Fly ty Law, Troy Brown and someone else.

2343
01:49:59,754 --> 01:50:02,914
Speaker 5: Yeah that was the Canadian border.

2344
01:50:02,994 --> 01:50:07,234
Speaker 4: Yeah, Tyl got arrested. Yeah, because his cousins and.

2345
01:50:07,394 --> 01:50:08,554
Speaker 5: His cousin's gym bag.

2346
01:50:09,114 --> 01:50:10,754
Speaker 7: But was that they got off because they didn't want

2347
01:50:10,754 --> 01:50:11,074
Speaker 7: to fly.

2348
01:50:10,994 --> 01:50:14,554
Speaker 5: In they were They literally asked can we can we

2349
01:50:14,714 --> 01:50:17,314
Speaker 5: I don't feel comfortable come home tomorrow or drive home

2350
01:50:17,354 --> 01:50:19,834
Speaker 5: because they were scared of So it was Terry Glenn

2351
01:50:19,874 --> 01:50:21,754
Speaker 5: ty Law and Troy Troy Brown.

2352
01:50:21,794 --> 01:50:23,194
Speaker 6: He's like big football players.

2353
01:50:23,354 --> 01:50:23,954
Speaker 4: I'm flying.

2354
01:50:24,314 --> 01:50:27,994
Speaker 5: I'm just imagine like Cells was a notoriously bad fly,

2355
01:50:28,234 --> 01:50:30,714
Speaker 5: like to the point where it made him feel better

2356
01:50:30,754 --> 01:50:33,874
Speaker 5: to sit up with the pilot in the cockpit, which

2357
01:50:33,914 --> 01:50:36,234
Speaker 5: you can't do it after nine to eleven they won't

2358
01:50:36,274 --> 01:50:37,994
Speaker 5: allow that anymore. But he used to sit up with

2359
01:50:38,034 --> 01:50:38,514
Speaker 5: the pilot.

2360
01:50:39,194 --> 01:50:40,954
Speaker 7: How long after those guys got off the plane where

2361
01:50:40,954 --> 01:50:42,274
Speaker 7: they like, so you want to get a car and

2362
01:50:42,354 --> 01:50:43,874
Speaker 7: drive to New England and hold up?

2363
01:50:44,514 --> 01:50:44,594
Speaker 3: No?

2364
01:50:44,754 --> 01:50:48,794
Speaker 5: They they they had Canada. Yeah, they had a night

2365
01:50:48,834 --> 01:50:51,994
Speaker 5: on Sync. Yeah Canada.

2366
01:50:52,194 --> 01:50:55,794
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's a good win too. That was a

2367
01:50:55,834 --> 01:50:56,594
Speaker 4: good win that day.

2368
01:50:57,674 --> 01:50:58,874
Speaker 5: That's your practice report.

2369
01:50:58,954 --> 01:51:01,554
Speaker 4: You to go thirteen to ten overtime, if I'm not mistaken.

2370
01:51:01,834 --> 01:51:05,434
Speaker 6: A lot of talk at practice today, a lot of chatter, chatter,

2371
01:51:05,674 --> 01:51:08,314
Speaker 6: scuttle butts. You know, state of the team.

2372
01:51:08,114 --> 01:51:11,074
Speaker 4: Isn't that ironic? There was a lot of There was

2373
01:51:11,114 --> 01:51:13,314
Speaker 4: a lot of media chatter on the one time that

2374
01:51:13,354 --> 01:51:15,034
Speaker 4: Fred didn't ask what the media chap.

2375
01:51:15,354 --> 01:51:17,674
Speaker 6: That's why I brought it up a lot of like,

2376
01:51:17,714 --> 01:51:18,754
Speaker 6: how are we going to fix this?

2377
01:51:18,834 --> 01:51:19,554
Speaker 4: Who's together?

2378
01:51:19,634 --> 01:51:20,514
Speaker 7: Who's got the answers?

2379
01:51:20,834 --> 01:51:22,874
Speaker 5: Well? Is it the media's job to fix it?

2380
01:51:22,874 --> 01:51:26,194
Speaker 4: It's just it's just it's just amazing. How are we

2381
01:51:26,194 --> 01:51:29,354
Speaker 4: going to fix this? Yeah, we can't cover job. This

2382
01:51:29,394 --> 01:51:31,194
Speaker 4: is not what God put us on this earth to do.

2383
01:51:31,874 --> 01:51:34,314
Speaker 6: It's not our job. But we do it anyway, and

2384
01:51:34,354 --> 01:51:36,114
Speaker 6: we take on that response we only covered DNAs.

2385
01:51:36,154 --> 01:51:37,914
Speaker 5: What did you think of? What current? Did you happen

2386
01:51:37,954 --> 01:51:40,914
Speaker 5: to listen to Current? Last night? He was talking about

2387
01:51:40,994 --> 01:51:43,874
Speaker 5: I heard I saw two things of note that everyone's

2388
01:51:44,034 --> 01:51:47,034
Speaker 5: harping on today. One that Rabel would be interested in

2389
01:51:47,114 --> 01:51:49,874
Speaker 5: coaching here, but the second that the Patriots need a

2390
01:51:49,914 --> 01:51:54,994
Speaker 5: football czar, someone that oversees everything the coach, the GM

2391
01:51:55,394 --> 01:51:58,954
Speaker 5: or the you know, Elliott's job, whatever title that is,

2392
01:51:59,194 --> 01:52:03,034
Speaker 5: but a football president slash zar that looks over all

2393
01:52:03,034 --> 01:52:04,074
Speaker 5: of that. What do you think of that?

2394
01:52:04,154 --> 01:52:04,234
Speaker 10: So?

2395
01:52:04,314 --> 01:52:07,594
Speaker 6: I actually we kicked around that idea on Catch twenty

2396
01:52:07,594 --> 01:52:10,914
Speaker 6: two after they part ways with Bill, because of how

2397
01:52:10,994 --> 01:52:14,234
Speaker 6: much brain power you lose with Bill walking out of

2398
01:52:14,274 --> 01:52:17,114
Speaker 6: the building. It's not just coaching, it's also how to

2399
01:52:17,154 --> 01:52:20,794
Speaker 6: run an organization and personnel and all that kind of stuff.

2400
01:52:21,074 --> 01:52:22,834
Speaker 6: So we thought of that too, and I you know,

2401
01:52:23,114 --> 01:52:25,314
Speaker 6: I look, I know it hasn't worked out beautifully, but

2402
01:52:25,474 --> 01:52:28,474
Speaker 6: like cam Neely with the Bruins, right, like an ex

2403
01:52:28,554 --> 01:52:31,154
Speaker 6: player of the Patriots who's beloved and who had a

2404
01:52:31,154 --> 01:52:33,834
Speaker 6: great career here and has you know, sort of that

2405
01:52:33,954 --> 01:52:38,594
Speaker 6: kind of quality. It's not necessarily watching like you know,

2406
01:52:38,874 --> 01:52:41,954
Speaker 6: sixth round picks and stuff like that on film, but

2407
01:52:42,114 --> 01:52:44,314
Speaker 6: is making sure that the people that are supposed to

2408
01:52:44,354 --> 01:52:46,634
Speaker 6: be watching the sixth round picks are are doing it

2409
01:52:46,674 --> 01:52:47,634
Speaker 6: and doing it correctly.

2410
01:52:47,754 --> 01:52:48,914
Speaker 4: So the name that we.

2411
01:52:48,914 --> 01:52:51,474
Speaker 6: Actually had thrown out at the time because we weren't

2412
01:52:51,514 --> 01:52:53,514
Speaker 6: sure if like maybe the whole thing with the Titans

2413
01:52:53,594 --> 01:52:55,354
Speaker 6: was that he doesn't he wanted to go upstairs and

2414
01:52:55,354 --> 01:52:59,634
Speaker 6: didn't want to coach anymore, was was vable Ironically, I

2415
01:52:59,674 --> 01:53:01,514
Speaker 6: don't know if we had any other names.

2416
01:53:01,914 --> 01:53:03,714
Speaker 5: But current throughout.

2417
01:53:04,994 --> 01:53:09,874
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I mean, like that's more like obviously personnel side,

2418
01:53:09,914 --> 01:53:14,994
Speaker 6: but like I definitely could see that.

2419
01:53:13,394 --> 01:53:14,354
Speaker 4: That being.

2420
01:53:15,554 --> 01:53:19,674
Speaker 6: Advantageous to take some of that pressure off of Girod

2421
01:53:20,154 --> 01:53:22,194
Speaker 6: and let him just kind of to me, it's.

2422
01:53:22,594 --> 01:53:26,074
Speaker 5: It's it's to find a good one, and to me

2423
01:53:26,154 --> 01:53:28,314
Speaker 5: would be harder than finding a good head coach or

2424
01:53:28,674 --> 01:53:31,754
Speaker 5: personnel guy, because it's a rare blend of you need

2425
01:53:31,794 --> 01:53:34,274
Speaker 5: to know football and sign and out, you need to

2426
01:53:34,314 --> 01:53:37,714
Speaker 5: know all the mechanations of running a football team. But

2427
01:53:37,794 --> 01:53:39,674
Speaker 5: I think in today's day and age, you also need

2428
01:53:39,714 --> 01:53:42,354
Speaker 5: to know business. Yeah, you know, so in how that

2429
01:53:42,434 --> 01:53:45,914
Speaker 5: all you know comes together and what is the balance

2430
01:53:45,994 --> 01:53:50,354
Speaker 5: between you know, doing what a sponsor wants to do

2431
01:53:51,434 --> 01:53:53,714
Speaker 5: as opposed to you know, what's best for the team,

2432
01:53:53,994 --> 01:53:57,754
Speaker 5: And how do those two things blend. To have somebody

2433
01:53:57,794 --> 01:54:00,194
Speaker 5: that has a feeling for all of that, I think

2434
01:54:00,434 --> 01:54:02,994
Speaker 5: is tough to find somebody that would be good at that.

2435
01:54:03,314 --> 01:54:05,834
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I know I brought up Kim neely because

2436
01:54:05,834 --> 01:54:07,834
Speaker 6: it's close to home. And I know that the Bruins

2437
01:54:07,834 --> 01:54:10,554
Speaker 6: have had varying levels of success depending on who you

2438
01:54:10,594 --> 01:54:12,594
Speaker 6: talk to, right, but like, at the same time, like

2439
01:54:12,954 --> 01:54:16,194
Speaker 6: they've been a pretty solid organization that goes to the

2440
01:54:16,194 --> 01:54:19,914
Speaker 6: playoffs pretty much every single year and it's you know,

2441
01:54:19,954 --> 01:54:23,354
Speaker 6: this that top down sort of thing of it's Neilye T.

2442
01:54:23,474 --> 01:54:26,194
Speaker 6: Sweeney to the coach, like, you know, so that that

2443
01:54:26,314 --> 01:54:28,834
Speaker 6: thing kind of appealed to me at the time just

2444
01:54:28,874 --> 01:54:31,514
Speaker 6: because of how much they lost with Bill from just

2445
01:54:31,554 --> 01:54:32,514
Speaker 6: building a program.

2446
01:54:32,674 --> 01:54:34,994
Speaker 7: You know, your name in the mixer.

2447
01:54:35,274 --> 01:54:38,514
Speaker 6: No, like, I didn't consider it, but I'd probably send

2448
01:54:38,554 --> 01:54:39,594
Speaker 6: my resume and if they.

2449
01:54:39,514 --> 01:54:41,794
Speaker 5: Want to be all right, A couple more phone calls

2450
01:54:41,794 --> 01:54:47,474
Speaker 5: to wrap up the show. Dan's in Connecticut. What's up? Dan? Dan?

2451
01:54:50,274 --> 01:54:58,994
Speaker 5: Dan done? What's going on over there? Dan? Hi? Dan?

2452
01:55:01,194 --> 01:55:06,634
Speaker 21: It's it's Dan, but anyway, it's Dan. I get the

2453
01:55:06,674 --> 01:55:09,994
Speaker 21: counter argument from yesterday. I don't know if you covered

2454
01:55:10,034 --> 01:55:13,394
Speaker 21: its stint, but you guys pretty much came to the

2455
01:55:13,434 --> 01:55:18,434
Speaker 21: consensus that for the upcoming draft we should just draft

2456
01:55:18,474 --> 01:55:21,914
Speaker 21: the best player available just because we have so much,

2457
01:55:22,354 --> 01:55:26,314
Speaker 21: so many holes on a roster. My kind of counter

2458
01:55:26,434 --> 01:55:31,074
Speaker 21: argument with that is, I still think that offensive line

2459
01:55:31,114 --> 01:55:34,034
Speaker 21: is our biggest issue, and I also think it's a

2460
01:55:34,114 --> 01:55:36,434
Speaker 21: unique issue because it seems like one of the only

2461
01:55:36,474 --> 01:55:42,154
Speaker 21: positions you can only really improve through the draft because

2462
01:55:42,274 --> 01:55:44,234
Speaker 21: in my opinion, you know, I'm not an expert or anything,

2463
01:55:45,074 --> 01:55:48,954
Speaker 21: but not many you know, truly starting calivert offensive tackles,

2464
01:55:49,034 --> 01:55:54,354
Speaker 21: especially hit free agency, nor are they really traded. And

2465
01:55:54,514 --> 01:55:57,474
Speaker 21: I think we have enough you know, cap space at

2466
01:55:57,474 --> 01:56:00,794
Speaker 21: this point to sign like a receiver or to sign

2467
01:56:00,834 --> 01:56:03,834
Speaker 21: you know, corner linebacker or something like that. And I

2468
01:56:03,874 --> 01:56:08,634
Speaker 21: also think that our history with wide receivers in the

2469
01:56:08,714 --> 01:56:11,874
Speaker 21: draft has has been pretty poor. So I just I

2470
01:56:11,914 --> 01:56:15,114
Speaker 21: just wanted to hear you guys' thoughts on that. And

2471
01:56:15,154 --> 01:56:19,434
Speaker 21: then one question I have for you guys, because I

2472
01:56:19,594 --> 01:56:22,514
Speaker 21: I know that Mayo is pretty much safe and Van Pelt,

2473
01:56:22,594 --> 01:56:25,594
Speaker 21: you know their jobs are safe until next year. But

2474
01:56:25,674 --> 01:56:28,874
Speaker 21: what do you think the chances are that Covington gets

2475
01:56:28,874 --> 01:56:32,794
Speaker 21: fired because it's pretty obvious her defense has looked awful,

2476
01:56:32,914 --> 01:56:35,794
Speaker 21: you know, even though we have pieces like Gonzalez White.

2477
01:56:36,754 --> 01:56:38,834
Speaker 21: So I always wanted to hear your thoughts on both

2478
01:56:38,834 --> 01:56:41,354
Speaker 21: those two things. And I'll get off now, and that

2479
01:56:41,394 --> 01:56:42,114
Speaker 21: you guys got it.

2480
01:56:42,394 --> 01:56:46,194
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not sure I agree with his supremise. I

2481
01:56:46,194 --> 01:56:48,994
Speaker 5: think both coordinators. The drum beats are pretty loud for

2482
01:56:49,034 --> 01:56:52,314
Speaker 5: both of them. I think both are one or I

2483
01:56:52,554 --> 01:56:57,874
Speaker 5: could go, you know, so I agree. Yeah, there's no

2484
01:56:57,914 --> 01:57:01,074
Speaker 5: way if I'm the Crafts that I can look at

2485
01:57:01,114 --> 01:57:04,514
Speaker 5: what happened this year and say, oh, everything's fine, everybody

2486
01:57:04,554 --> 01:57:08,234
Speaker 5: comes back. There's there's got to be changes, and we

2487
01:57:08,354 --> 01:57:11,634
Speaker 5: talked about it, Evan, you weren't here, but unfortunately we

2488
01:57:11,674 --> 01:57:15,234
Speaker 5: don't have the information needed to make those decisions in

2489
01:57:15,274 --> 01:57:19,554
Speaker 5: the off season. The crafts I assume do. And so

2490
01:57:21,194 --> 01:57:23,994
Speaker 5: for whatever is the main reasons for the demise of

2491
01:57:24,034 --> 01:57:27,594
Speaker 5: the defense, for whatever is the main reason for what

2492
01:57:27,754 --> 01:57:30,594
Speaker 5: some people think is the lack of creativity in the

2493
01:57:30,634 --> 01:57:36,834
Speaker 5: game calling, there are answers and changes have to be

2494
01:57:36,914 --> 01:57:41,914
Speaker 5: made to address those things. So I don't agree with

2495
01:57:41,954 --> 01:57:45,034
Speaker 5: this premise that Van Pelt is safe. I think he's

2496
01:57:45,034 --> 01:57:49,114
Speaker 5: done a good job overall. But again I don't have

2497
01:57:49,154 --> 01:57:52,554
Speaker 5: the information that people downstairs have.

2498
01:57:52,834 --> 01:57:54,554
Speaker 7: I mean, avp to me is the only one who

2499
01:57:54,594 --> 01:57:57,874
Speaker 7: you have some kind of tangible proof of some progress

2500
01:57:57,954 --> 01:58:00,674
Speaker 7: and some positive development. It's been inconsistent and it's been

2501
01:58:01,154 --> 01:58:03,994
Speaker 7: really up and down, especially the last month or two.

2502
01:58:04,034 --> 01:58:06,114
Speaker 7: But he's only when you feel like you have any

2503
01:58:06,194 --> 01:58:09,034
Speaker 7: kind of proof positive that you saw some guy you saw.

2504
01:58:09,114 --> 01:58:10,954
Speaker 7: Drake may get better, you know. I mean, I've seen

2505
01:58:11,114 --> 01:58:13,874
Speaker 7: visible improvement from him. It hasn't put them over at

2506
01:58:13,874 --> 01:58:15,274
Speaker 7: the top and translated to wins.

2507
01:58:15,714 --> 01:58:18,274
Speaker 5: And we think that that's because of Van Pelt. But

2508
01:58:19,634 --> 01:58:21,274
Speaker 5: those in the know might be saying, no, he's that

2509
01:58:21,394 --> 01:58:23,994
Speaker 5: good that you know he's good.

2510
01:58:24,114 --> 01:58:26,234
Speaker 7: One other thought I had I just was brought back

2511
01:58:26,274 --> 01:58:28,354
Speaker 7: to when Paul you went through and did the quarterback

2512
01:58:28,394 --> 01:58:30,434
Speaker 7: thing where you studied like where quarterbacks are taken and

2513
01:58:30,514 --> 01:58:32,594
Speaker 7: kind of I think the result was you need to

2514
01:58:32,634 --> 01:58:34,794
Speaker 7: take him in this certain range. I'd be curious to

2515
01:58:34,794 --> 01:58:37,394
Speaker 7: do that study with tackles too, as of late, like,

2516
01:58:37,434 --> 01:58:38,234
Speaker 7: are there done it?

2517
01:58:38,634 --> 01:58:39,474
Speaker 6: Did you do the tackles?

2518
01:58:39,514 --> 01:58:41,874
Speaker 7: I mean, are there gems? I mean is it unreasonable

2519
01:58:41,874 --> 01:58:43,754
Speaker 7: to think, like, look, I haven't got one in the

2520
01:58:43,754 --> 01:58:44,994
Speaker 7: first fifteen picks.

2521
01:58:44,994 --> 01:58:47,554
Speaker 4: Now that I haven't done, I did the whole I

2522
01:58:47,634 --> 01:58:51,754
Speaker 4: compared the hit miss rate with quarterbacks to tackles, because

2523
01:58:52,234 --> 01:58:55,314
Speaker 4: there's a conventional wisdom out there that the quarterback is

2524
01:58:55,314 --> 01:58:57,754
Speaker 4: a bigger risk than any other position, and I sort

2525
01:58:57,754 --> 01:59:01,474
Speaker 4: of showed that it's really not. There are a lot

2526
01:59:01,554 --> 01:59:03,594
Speaker 4: of busts at a lot of different positions that go

2527
01:59:03,794 --> 01:59:04,834
Speaker 4: very high in the draft.

2528
01:59:04,634 --> 01:59:06,674
Speaker 5: I know, but when you bust at those other positions,

2529
01:59:06,714 --> 01:59:08,594
Speaker 5: it doesn't set you back, like as if you bust

2530
01:59:08,674 --> 01:59:09,154
Speaker 5: at courte.

2531
01:59:09,234 --> 01:59:11,714
Speaker 4: I disagree. I think what happens is the bust at

2532
01:59:11,754 --> 01:59:15,834
Speaker 4: tackle isn't considered Isaiah Winn isn't considered a bust like

2533
01:59:16,474 --> 01:59:19,874
Speaker 4: a quarterback bust right considered because everybody watches the quarterback

2534
01:59:19,914 --> 01:59:23,074
Speaker 4: play and says he's not completing passes and They're not

2535
01:59:23,114 --> 01:59:25,594
Speaker 4: necessarily doing that for the tackle because the tackle he

2536
01:59:25,634 --> 01:59:28,594
Speaker 4: started every game he's not good. Some call him, you know,

2537
01:59:28,914 --> 01:59:31,394
Speaker 4: the floor is, you know, a pro Bowl.

2538
01:59:31,234 --> 01:59:33,354
Speaker 5: Guard right well, right and handled correctly.

2539
01:59:33,674 --> 01:59:36,314
Speaker 4: Correct. But that's just like sort of an example of

2540
01:59:36,354 --> 01:59:38,754
Speaker 4: what I'm talking about. Like, and I know that Win

2541
01:59:38,954 --> 01:59:41,194
Speaker 4: was a you know, an end of the first round guy,

2542
01:59:41,314 --> 01:59:44,634
Speaker 4: but like, I don't think people look at Kenny Pickett

2543
01:59:44,634 --> 01:59:48,234
Speaker 4: and Isaiah Winn similarly. Kenny Pickett is a much bigger

2544
01:59:48,234 --> 01:59:51,714
Speaker 4: bust in the in the eyes of most than Isaiah

2545
01:59:51,754 --> 01:59:54,874
Speaker 4: Win whereas they're both last half of the first round

2546
01:59:54,874 --> 01:59:57,594
Speaker 4: guys who didn't really pan out. Yeah, do you know

2547
01:59:57,634 --> 01:59:58,074
Speaker 4: what I mean?

2548
01:59:58,354 --> 02:00:00,434
Speaker 6: I just think to the point about the draft, like

2549
02:00:00,474 --> 02:00:03,634
Speaker 6: everybody is an agreement that offensive line is their biggest need.

2550
02:00:03,714 --> 02:00:06,274
Speaker 6: But you can't create Joe Thomas. Like it just the

2551
02:00:06,594 --> 02:00:10,554
Speaker 6: if you're picking third overall, and let's say maybe they

2552
02:00:10,594 --> 02:00:12,994
Speaker 6: grade out Calvin Banks or Will Campbell and he it

2553
02:00:13,074 --> 02:00:15,794
Speaker 6: proves to grade out worthy of the third overall pick.

2554
02:00:16,034 --> 02:00:18,794
Speaker 6: But if he grades out as your sixteenth best player

2555
02:00:18,834 --> 02:00:21,794
Speaker 6: on your board and you're taking him third overall, Like

2556
02:00:21,914 --> 02:00:24,794
Speaker 6: that's how bad teams stay bad, right, And like that's

2557
02:00:24,834 --> 02:00:26,674
Speaker 6: what happened, and you know, I keep throwing him under

2558
02:00:26,714 --> 02:00:29,114
Speaker 6: the bus, but that's what happened with Cole Strange. They

2559
02:00:29,154 --> 02:00:31,474
Speaker 6: needed a guard. Bill felt like they needed a guard,

2560
02:00:31,674 --> 02:00:34,714
Speaker 6: and they overdrafted a guard and it set them back

2561
02:00:34,794 --> 02:00:36,674
Speaker 6: and set them back bigley, and like if it.

2562
02:00:36,714 --> 02:00:39,914
Speaker 5: Could have had him later and gotten a better first run.

2563
02:00:39,994 --> 02:00:43,954
Speaker 6: So yeah, no one's in disagreement that tackle is their

2564
02:00:43,994 --> 02:00:44,594
Speaker 6: biggest need.

2565
02:00:44,834 --> 02:00:45,554
Speaker 4: Yeah, by far.

2566
02:00:45,914 --> 02:00:47,834
Speaker 6: But if there isn't a tackle worthy of the pick,

2567
02:00:47,914 --> 02:00:49,194
Speaker 6: then you're you're out of luck.

2568
02:00:49,234 --> 02:00:50,994
Speaker 5: All right, we'll do one more call. We're a little late,

2569
02:00:51,034 --> 02:00:53,354
Speaker 5: but we'll get Anthony in because he tried earlier. And

2570
02:00:53,714 --> 02:00:54,634
Speaker 5: what's up, Anthony?

2571
02:00:55,914 --> 02:00:58,954
Speaker 3: Hey, how's it going? First and foremost stop a big

2572
02:00:58,994 --> 02:01:01,514
Speaker 3: ben of the So thank you guys so much for

2573
02:01:01,554 --> 02:01:07,474
Speaker 3: what you do every week. Thanks Thursday, Hey anytime. So

2574
02:01:08,074 --> 02:01:10,754
Speaker 3: I kind of wanted to touch on, you know, the

2575
02:01:10,794 --> 02:01:13,594
Speaker 3: guy that polls regarding Elliott Wolf saying he's got to go.

2576
02:01:14,154 --> 02:01:15,954
Speaker 3: I gotta disagree. I mean, I feel like we got

2577
02:01:15,954 --> 02:01:18,434
Speaker 3: to give everybody the same grades across the board and

2578
02:01:18,514 --> 02:01:19,354
Speaker 3: be consistent with that.

2579
02:01:19,834 --> 02:01:21,954
Speaker 10: I feel like when it.

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Speaker 3: Comes to Mayo, I mean, well, first year guys, it's

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Speaker 3: really kind of unrealistic expectation and heard this type of

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Speaker 3: roster with all these glaring holes and expect any type

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Speaker 3: of situation where we were gonna like do anything good

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Speaker 3: this year. I feel like Elliot Wolf did a lot

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Speaker 3: of the the obvious choices, Like we retained a lot

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Speaker 3: of guys that we needed to. You look at Hunter, Henry,

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Speaker 3: he's having a good year. You're looking off the new Hooper,

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Speaker 3: You're doing pretty good. I mean, he hit a lot

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Speaker 3: of the checkpoints, like the obvious ones. I know, not

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Speaker 3: everything really panned out. I know the draft is kind

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Speaker 3: of a little wonky for lack of a better term,

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Speaker 3: with like Kata Wallace going down in and out and

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Speaker 3: Leydon Robinson. But I mean, I don't know. Don't you

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Speaker 3: guys think that the expectation, Like you guys like we

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Speaker 3: should have our expectations and let's see what they do

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Speaker 3: in year two.

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Speaker 5: No, I tend to agree with you. The only question

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Speaker 5: I had on Wolf Anthony was how much say did

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Speaker 5: he have prior to this Because we're all in agreement

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Speaker 5: that the roster isn't good, Well, who created that roster?

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Speaker 5: And that's the only thing.

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Speaker 4: My thing isn't about expectations. I expected to have a

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Speaker 4: record and similar to what they have. Yeah, they didn't

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Speaker 4: get players. They didn't bring in players to help the team,

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Speaker 4: pretty much across the board, free agents, draft, retaining free agents,

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Speaker 4: like there's more misses than hits. Yeah, I don't you

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Speaker 4: know whatever that translated to in the record. Yeah. I

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Speaker 4: think Anthony's right. We all expected it to be a

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Speaker 4: tough record. But I think we all thought, Okay, we're

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Speaker 4: four and thirteen. Whatever the record ends up being, can

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Speaker 4: we show some improvement? All right?

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Speaker 6: We happened, and now they have one hundred and thirty

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Speaker 6: two million dollars in cap space and probably another.

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Speaker 5: Top three pick. So Elliott Wolf did his job. All right,

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Speaker 5: What do we got? We got playbook coming up? All right,

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Speaker 5: playbook coming up with John Side. Yep. We have our

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Speaker 5: company party tonight, so we'll have some stories tomorrow to

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Speaker 5: talk about on the show at noon.

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Speaker 4: Can't wait to hear them.

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Speaker 6: And I'm usually into the numbers.

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