1 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: The calendar has turned to April, the first Thursday in April, 2 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: and we are just a few weeks away from the 3 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: NFL Draft. Alongside Andrew Gribble, I'm Jason Gibbs. This is 4 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: the best podcast available for Thursday, April seven. Glad you're 5 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: with us, Jeff McDaniel spinning the dials behind the scenes, 6 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: making us look good, including these fantastic arms. I believe 7 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: I've hit on that last week, and we'll continue to 8 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: do that because they're really nice. Gribbs a pleasure, my friend, 9 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: and we will get into draft talk because ultimately we've 10 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: got to familiarize ourselves with the Day two and Day 11 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: three stuff, and maybe even a little Day one at 12 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: the end, depending on what this team may or may 13 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: not do. But first things first, the Cleveland Browns active 14 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: this week at the Cross Country Mortgage Campus, taking care 15 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: of a little special teams help. Yeah, I mean this 16 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: was something that clearly needed to be addressed, and I 17 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: think that even after the moves that have happened, Brown's 18 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: probably aren't done yet. I think that clearly, when you 19 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: make a move at punter in season, you're not happy 20 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: with the direction things are going. Obviously, bringing a savvy 21 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 1: vat and Dustin cole quit to get you through the 22 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: rest of the year. But the kicking game probably not 23 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: where you wanted it to be, not not not a 24 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: lot of juice out of the out of the punt 25 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: return game. And I think he just kind of did 26 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: the league average on kick returns. But obviously the one 27 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: thing they have done well over the last few years 28 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: is cover kicks. One of the best in the league 29 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: at doing that type of stuff. So clearly a lot 30 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: of moves had to be making made. And this is 31 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: an area of the team that always has a lot 32 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 1: of turnover, especially in your core guys. Those are usually 33 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 1: fringe roster guys and you have a lot of churn there. 34 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: But UH, moves needed to maybe be made on the 35 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: key specialist areas. And I think that clearly we have 36 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: some names, but I don't know if we have any 37 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: final answers at either of these spots yet. Yeah, definitely, 38 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: So on Monday, UH, the Cleveland Browns here at the 39 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: Cross Country Mortgage Campus signed punter Corey but Hork. Was 40 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: his fifth NFL season. UH posted two teen punts for 41 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: nine thousand, eight hundred ninety yards forty five point four 42 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: yard per punt average since signing with New England in 43 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen. He handled the punt duties in Green 44 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: Bay last season. Uh, guy is. Guy's got quite a leg, 45 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: and I would think he will probably be the favorite 46 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: going into training camp. But that, like you said, doesn't 47 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: mean that he's guaranteed a spot here on this rock. Yeah, 48 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: I accomplished puntery guy who has done a lot. I 49 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: think he was associated with and maybe not the reason 50 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: of the Packers that they struggled at the n last season, 51 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: their whole special teams operation. I think they were gonna 52 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: have to clean that up and get things fixed, so 53 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: clearly that maybe a reason why he was available here 54 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: as a free agent. But uh, big leg and also experience. 55 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: He's only really punted in cold weather places. I meant, granted, 56 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: went to went to New Mexico, so played college at 57 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: a warm weather place, but since he's been in the NFL, 58 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: it's in Buffalo, Green Bay, now Cleveland. I think that's 59 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: a key thing. The ball is a little heavier when 60 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 1: once the weather gets it gets colder than you're dealing 61 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: with the elements, So he is used to that and 62 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: I think that he will definitely when you look at it, 63 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 1: he is clearly the front runner of those two. Uh 64 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: to maybe claim that job going into the season doesn't 65 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: behoove that. I don't think it prevents you from going 66 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: after the position, whether it be in the draft or 67 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: most likely undrafted free agency. But maybe we scale back 68 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 1: to talk about the punk god on day two now 69 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: that you've got someone that's done it for the last 70 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: few years. Uh, Well, we'll see where where where the 71 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: punk got ends up in the draft. But I think 72 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: that this is an accomplished guy that the Browns have 73 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: brought in. Give you some experience in a guy that 74 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: can that can consistently drive you down the field. On Tuesday, 75 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: then the Browns bringing back a familiar face and a 76 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: familiar name and kicker Chase McLoughlin. Sixteen games last year 77 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: for the Browns. He converted fifteen twenty one field goals 78 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: as well as thirty six and thirty seven p eight s. 79 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: Was perfect from fifty yards or greater in one putting 80 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: all four of his attempts through the uprights. He's made 81 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: seventy five point five percent of his field goal attempts 82 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: and ninety seven point one percent of his like two 83 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: points in the National Football League, a guy that knows 84 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: First Energy Stadium well, knows his football team well, a 85 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: guy that Mike Preefer knows very well. But again not 86 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: a for sure that he will be the kicker come 87 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: the starting uh week one. No. I mean it's a 88 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: position where unless you have that established guy, are gonna 89 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: have a competition every year. I think Chase McLaughlin is 90 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: a good guy to have in the competition, especially he 91 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: started off so well last year. I thought the first 92 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: half of the season he was everything you wanted out 93 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: of the position. It gave you that that big leg 94 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: and the clutch kicks that he was able to make. 95 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 1: But it was the same thing like with Cody Park. 96 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: Once the weather started turning a little bit, the kicks 97 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: got a little bit more inconsistent, and I think that 98 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: some of those kicks that he missed weren't in bad weather, 99 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 1: but it was just the time of the year and 100 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: you wondered, uh, if things were trailing off a bit. 101 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: And he's a guy that's been a part of eight 102 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: different teams in the league. Is bounced around, so someone 103 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: that that clearly he is. He hit a good stride 104 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: in the fall and now you want to see if 105 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 1: he can kind of replicate that and give yourself a 106 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: good competition at that position. But again a position that 107 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 1: clearly can still get addressed in the in the coming 108 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: weeks and months. Uh. One, I don't know if we 109 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: would be surprised. The Browns have drafted two kickers in 110 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: the last eight or so years, which puts them at 111 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: the top of the league in that category. Most teams 112 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: do not draft kickers, But we'll see if there's there's 113 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: a bunch of good ones, and as we saw at 114 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: the Bengals last year, you can get an immediate impact guy, 115 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: uh as a rookie. They can come in and get 116 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 1: the job done. Uh, it'd be great. And to see 117 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: if you can add some competition that way. Well, the 118 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 1: bigger question now becomes where does kicker in punter rank 119 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: in terms of the Browns immediate needs in the draft? 120 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: Can they push it to a Day three Can it 121 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: become an undrafted free agent pick up? Yeah, I mean, 122 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: kicker is probably gonna be Day three no matter what. 123 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if there's anyone that's sniffing the day 124 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: to territory in this year's crop. I mean k York 125 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: from l s U is probably the top rank guy, 126 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: and he's had has a history of clutch kicks. L 127 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: s U has a history of producing these great kickers 128 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: in the league. But so it's still probably looking as 129 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: as a Day three or undrafted route. But I still 130 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: think you probably need to inject some competition because I 131 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: think there was clearly you weren't satisfied by what Chase 132 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: McLoughlin did at the end of the last season. You 133 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: want to see better from that position. You want to 134 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: get to the level, uh, the kickers in the A 135 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: f C North, we're talking about the quarterbacks. The kickers 136 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: in the x C North right now might be the 137 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: best best kicker division in football with McPherson obviously, Justin 138 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: Tucker future Hall of Famer in Baltimore, and then bos 139 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: Wall in Pittsburgh has been really, really good for most 140 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: of the last ten or so years. It seems like, 141 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: so the bleather gets rough. You don't want to have 142 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: UH concerns at that position. You want to be confident 143 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: in that position because the teams you're facing, it's it's 144 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: almost like a deflating feeling when you when you get 145 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: late game situations against Baltimore and now Cincinnati, when you 146 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: know they're they're gonna make it from from probably fifty 147 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: five or in most more times than not. Well, the 148 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: other thing to keep in mind is the last couple 149 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: of years, you know, the practice squad numbers have been 150 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: allowed to be expanded, and they will continue to be expanded, uh, 151 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: especially with COVID and and who knows what COVID will 152 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: look like here for this coming season. But in the past, 153 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: the Browns had to carry an extra kicker or and 154 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: or punter on that sixteen man uh taxi squad, So 155 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see if they end up doing that. 156 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: If they don't end up doing that, but without a doubt, 157 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: there will be competition at punter and a kicker. No 158 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: one's getting a free pass. And the great thing about 159 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: kicker is I would say we talk about quarterbacks all 160 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: the time in the league and how teams are always 161 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: looking to upgrade at the position. It's safe to say 162 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: there's more teams the AMFL satisfied with their quarterback right now, 163 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: probably than their kicker at any given time. And that's 164 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: why you see so much churn at the position. You 165 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: see teams move on because it's such a high risk, 166 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: higher war position that if you have a couple of 167 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: games where you struggle with that position you have to 168 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: make a move, uh, And I think it's it's clearly 169 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: you need some depth of the position. I think now, 170 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: like you said at the practice squads, you almost have 171 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: to carry two on your on campus kind of kind 172 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: of roster, and that's something you didn't have to do 173 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: uh in the past. And look at how much it 174 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: affected a close game in Green Bay this past year 175 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: when when you were without Chase McLaughlin you struggled at 176 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: that position. You kind of lost fate. Once you missed 177 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: that first one with your backup, then you kind of 178 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: affects your game strategy probably the rest of the way 179 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: because you're worried about confidence levels uh and kicking in 180 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: a tough environment. So yeah, like you meant, the Brown's 181 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: not just one but two guys they can count on, uh, 182 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: And I think that that's gonna be something that is 183 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: at the front from from now on board. Yeah. So 184 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: I believe if I have this correct, and I could 185 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: be totally wrong on it, but the unofficial Brown Special 186 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: Team's depth chart of today, Thursday, April seven, we know, 187 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: Charlie Hugh, it will still be here a long snapper McLoughlin, 188 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: Chris blew ittt Blewett still here. Okay, we have two kickers, 189 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: we have two punters, and Horquaz and Joseph Charlton. Uh. 190 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: From a kick return and punt return standpoint now, and 191 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 1: this leads us into our interview of the week with 192 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: Jachiem Grant. But Grant, you know, moves into your kicker, 193 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 1: kick return, punt return. At the kick return spots, you 194 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: also have Deernest Johnson. You have Anthony Schwartz and Dimitrich 195 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 1: Felton at punt return DPJ and Felton. Now, Felton showed 196 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: a little bit kind of tailed off as the season 197 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: went on. Uh, Deernest Johnson came in and gave them 198 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: a little spark on the kick return. But uh, Jachem 199 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: Grant is a player that changes the dynamic when it 200 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: comes to returning, whether it's punts or kicks. Yeah, I 201 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: mean it pretty much. You would think he locks up 202 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 1: the spots because he's a pro bowler at those positions. 203 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: And like I mentioned in the last part, it's what 204 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:39,079 Speaker 1: you thought you might be able to do when you 205 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:40,719 Speaker 1: signed Joe Joe Nats in a couple of years ago. 206 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: But the injuries just affected his ability to lock down 207 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: that spot and kind of caused the turnover. I thought, 208 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: like you imagined, I thought Felton was good in Spurts 209 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: last year. It's just ultimately, when it comes to ball security, 210 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:53,319 Speaker 1: that's what's going to get you off the field in 211 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: a hurry. I think DPJ was solid, just didn't have 212 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: any game break and kind of returns. Felton had that 213 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: game breaking ability, but you're worried about the ball security 214 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: and that's a quick way to get off the field. 215 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: And we never saw Schwartz really because Schwartz battling the 216 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: injuries and then once he was at wide receiver, you 217 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: wanted to keep him there to keep him and oddly 218 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: not a lot of experience. He he talked about how 219 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: he was frustrated about how he didn't really get an 220 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: opportunity at Auburn. They had some other guys that could 221 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: do it. When you're when you're an SEC school, you 222 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: recruit guys that can specifically do it. So they kept 223 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 1: Schwartz in his land and didn't give him a ton 224 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: of experience. But that's something they want to keep working 225 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: with him at because he has that game changing speed 226 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: and especially when you think punt returns a different scale, 227 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 1: but kickoff that's maybe somewhere where he can make an impact. 228 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: But we talked about now kickoff return is almost more 229 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: of a the decisions you see is the guy should 230 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: have taken a knee instead of running it out because 231 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: it's such a hard thing to do. Now is is 232 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: get kickoffs beyond the twenty five yard line. So it's 233 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: almost like the skill set, the mindset that to know 234 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: when to take the knee instead of making the returns 235 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: out there. Well, our new returner, I don't know how 236 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: much he believes in taking any and you'll and you'll 237 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: here right here in this interview. Jachem Grant, pro bowler 238 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: in one, second team All Pro twice in one had 239 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: a chance to sit down with our Nathan's girl shortly 240 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: after signing his new contract with the Browns. Have a 241 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: watch and have a listen. Very happy now to be 242 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: joined by the newest member of the Browns Pro Bowl 243 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: returner wide receiver Jachim Grant. Let's just start there. Pro 244 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: Bowl returner. When you found out last year that you 245 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: were going to the Pro Bowl, I'm sure that's one 246 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: of the things when you think about, you know, I'm 247 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 1: gonna play the game. Man. I love to be in 248 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl someday. What was that like? Um? It 249 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: was man, words can't explain it. It was very excited, 250 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: especially with Ben not making it the year before, and 251 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 1: I was all probably the year before and I was like, 252 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: I mean, what else do I need to do to 253 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: make it to the Pro Bowl. And so when they 254 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: told when coach Snaggy told me, I was like, oh 255 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: my god, Like, man, this is like a dream come true. 256 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: And so, um when I got there, I was like, 257 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 1: and then they told me, hey, You're not gonna be 258 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: catching pus pro. I was like, okay, so now what 259 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: what do I do now? But um man, And because 260 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: it was it was a dream country. I feelings. It 261 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: was amazing, especially with just being there in the atmosphere 262 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: and knowing that you have fans outside of just the 263 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: Chicago Bears fans and everybody that look up to you. 264 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: All was man, it was. It was a great feeling. Bros. 265 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: Nothing done. Yeah, yeah, that's a pretty good thing as well. 266 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: So you decided, hey, I'm gonna bring my skills to 267 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:25,719 Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns. The Browns watching how did this kind 268 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 1: of process come together? Um? Cleveland were very aggressive and 269 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: I've been looking at them for the longest and they 270 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: needed a returner and I was just like, especially at 271 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: especially with receivers. To Um, I was just like, no 272 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: better fitting. And also it was just easy option and 273 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,719 Speaker 1: so UM. I love the coaches, you know, CEOs Here 274 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: Chadow Shay. I had them in Miami. I had a 275 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: great relationship with him. So that was another reason why 276 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: I came. And I was just like, man, why not, 277 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,040 Speaker 1: you know? And I heard about just the people in 278 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: the room and just how what they're about. And I 279 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: was just like, man, that's what I'm about too. And 280 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: so man, check off every check check box on my list. 281 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: So I was just I'm a Brown now. But we 282 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 1: love that because it's easy. When you go and you 283 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: watch your heads, you're an electric factor. I don't know 284 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: if they've hit you with the stats. So the last 285 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: Brown's punt return touchdown was two thousand fifteen. The last 286 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: Brown's kick return touchdown was two thousand and nine, the 287 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: great Josh Crip. So it has been a while and 288 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: I was looking to you have six return touchdowns on 289 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: your resume, you gotta you've had it, either a kick 290 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: or a punt four straight years? Right, how do you 291 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: do it? Man? They've changed the rules. You're not supposed 292 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: to be able to do this. I mean, if they 293 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: kick it to me, they're gonna pay. That's that's that's 294 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 1: my whole thing. It's like, it's either you kick it 295 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: out of bounds or I'm going to the crib. And so, um, 296 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: definitely going to change that this year. Um, I'm not 297 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: banking on just getting one. I'm banking on getting a multiple. So, 298 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 1: I mean they know that, they know if they kick 299 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: it to me, they seen the tape, They've seen everything. 300 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: I'm not a fair catch guy. So just letting them 301 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: know now I don't fair catch, and so do what 302 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: you want to do with that information. I love it. 303 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: I love it. What's your favorite of all their turn touchdowns? 304 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: One that stands out? Um, I'd probably say the one 305 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: against Green Bay because everybody expects like a returning to 306 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: just let it go bouncing the end zone and or 307 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: fair catch it. And I called the bottom of three 308 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, no, no returners is doing that, 309 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: you know, besides what Devin hester devins. But I'm pretty 310 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: sure correct if I'm wrong, used that one ninety seven 311 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: yards set the franchise record for the longest part of 312 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: return touchdown with the Bears. Who has Devin Hester, who 313 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: is likely to be in the Hall of Fame, is 314 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: arguably the greatest returner of all time. So that's pretty 315 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: cool too. Absolutely, And then I didn't even know that 316 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: he did not do that, like I was that was 317 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: the longest one, and so I'm like, I'm like, nobody 318 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: is doing that. So if you could go back and 319 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: even against the ragious the punt and punty like yards 320 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: and then I brung it out anyways, and I told him, 321 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not trying to be just an average returner, 322 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: like I wanted to be the one that's remember, I 323 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: want to be, you know, the next one to take 324 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: you know, Devin Hester still and I have a farm 325 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: mounting to climb and so and that's my goal is 326 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: to you know, pass him up. And he's a great 327 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: person to look up to, and so you know, that's 328 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: that's my home mentality. So walk us through kind of 329 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: the process. So the ball gets kicked, you have an 330 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: idea of like what return has been called or stuff. 331 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: What's kind of your checklist, what are you going through? 332 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: What are you looking at when the balls in the air. Okay, 333 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: so the first thing I check is the gunner's release 334 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: and see if you know, my teammates and jammers got 335 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: them mashed up because they're usually typically the first ones 336 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: to get down there. And so I already took a 337 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: peep at the fighter ball. I'm getting to the spot, 338 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: and all I'm doing is already I already checked them out, 339 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: and so that gives me the indicator if I'm going 340 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: to fair catch it or not, which most likely I'm 341 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: going to fairt you no matter what, no matter what. 342 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: But um, he has to be like basically standing right 343 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: next to me if I'm not going to fair kids, 344 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: so um, after that, I'm I'm just like, okay, if 345 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: it's a left return, right return, on middle return, I'm 346 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: catching the ball and just setting it up and trusting 347 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: that my teammates are having it on and just letting 348 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: the athletic ability to take place. And so I want 349 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: to say, kick it to me. I'm like, it's basically 350 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: backyard football. If anybody think about it, it's backyard football. Easily. 351 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: Has there been one where you knew before you caught 352 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: it you were taking it to the house and I'm 353 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: sure you have the mindset. I'm going to take the tests. 354 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: But was there one that where you just kind of 355 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: saw the way things were setting up for You're like, 356 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: all right, yes, um, actually the one back in against 357 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: the Rams, and um, it was just uh, it was 358 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: just set up too perfect. It was perfect. And it 359 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: was a right return to the sideline. And I've seen 360 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: the whole cavalry of my teammates just blocking or set 361 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: up on the right side. I've seen like the basically 362 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: you called it the Great Wall of China, and so 363 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: just seeing that right there and I and I I 364 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: was untouched, and I was just saying, that's just yeah. 365 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: And I was like I took my hat off to 366 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: them because there was just nothing but black and all 367 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: I did was run and so I was like, anybody 368 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: could have done it. So man, it was just it 369 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 1: was unbelievable. That's always said six return touchdowns. Obviously that's 370 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: your passion, all pro Pro bowler. You also can do 371 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 1: quite a bit in the offensive a rushing touchdown, You've 372 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: got a bunch of receiving touchdowns that two of them 373 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: last year. What do you like better? Do you like 374 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: scoring as a runner, a return or as a receiver. 375 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: Do not care. Just get me honestly, I do not care. Um, 376 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 1: I would say like the like the punt returns are 377 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: more electrifying because it gives you know, the crowd goes crazy, 378 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: especially because it's like less likely to happen in the game. 379 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: Anybody can you know, go and score you know, catching 380 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: touchdown and things of that nature. But everybody was like, okay, 381 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: punt return or I kick off return until the house 382 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: is it's electrifying. It's also sucks like the momentum of 383 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: any team because that's a change in that's an instant 384 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: change of you know, possession. And they're like, man, like 385 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: special team could easily win you a game. And so 386 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: that's why I was about and so exactly. So I'm 387 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: me with being a part returner and also like a receiver, 388 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: I'm trying to take over the whole game on every aspect. 389 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,719 Speaker 1: So they're like, man, we can't stop in my offense 390 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 1: and we shut can't kick them the ball. So I mean, 391 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: the only way I wouldn't have no choice but to 392 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 1: you know, just contain them our best ability. And so 393 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: that's my mentality. Just being a part returner and a 394 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 1: receiver is just taking over a whole game. And that's 395 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: your hold the ball on your left hand. You got 396 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: a chance to talk with our special teams that on 397 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: your left hand are and he's been telling me, hey, 398 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: walk around the all day today with the ball on 399 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: your left hand because that on my notes when I 400 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: told you when I when I was, I was excited 401 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: to have you here. And I was like, oh, I'm 402 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: glad to be here. It's like, but one thing is 403 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: I want to talk about is you carry Why do 404 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: you carry the ball on the right hand? And I 405 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,040 Speaker 1: told him, I was like, it's it's because I've of 406 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: like I'm running slow. That's the only reason why I 407 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 1: do it, because I'm not used to carrying it in 408 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: the left hand and it automatically, like without even thinking, 409 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: it goes to my right hand. And so um, he 410 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 1: was just like, I'm going to continue to harp on 411 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: you having it in your left hand, and there are 412 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: so many things or extra yards that you could have 413 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: gotten if you would have had the ball on your 414 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: left hand. And I was like, I haven't even thought 415 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: about that. But that's why you take coaching. I'm a player, 416 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: he's a coach and he can see that and so 417 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: you see me doing it now having the ball on 418 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: the left hand. Let's go from great, there's always, always, 419 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: always I love that. And you mentioned chat o'shay when 420 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 1: you were together in Miami, and he's been I'm a 421 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: huge fan of his. I think he's been great for 422 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 1: for this organization. What was that relationship like? And how 423 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: nice is it they have kind of a familiar face 424 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: in the building. Oh, it's great, you know. Um, fortunately 425 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: I only know Baker and and Juice and and Rashot 426 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: here against Hollywood and so um fortunately Juice and um 427 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: Rashot are gone. But with saying the coach o'sha, I 428 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: didn't even realize he was, you know, the receiver's coach 429 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: and so and I was like, what are the odds? Yeah, 430 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: and so I was like, what are the odds of 431 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: being back in the same building. And it's just great 432 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: because we had a great relationship in Miami and so 433 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 1: it just I mean, the future is going to be great. 434 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: That's all I can say. I love it. You have 435 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 1: a great kind of way about you. I can feel 436 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,959 Speaker 1: your energy very all the time. Is this something that 437 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: you ever dreamed of? When you know you got into 438 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: the game and you know you said, all right, I'm 439 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: going the NFL. I'm going to be more of a 440 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: return guy. Now all pro pro bowler signed a very 441 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: nice contract. Congratulations on that for you and your family, 442 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: by the way, But is this kind of like it's 443 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: a kind of wild to take it all in. Um. Yeah, 444 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: But see the thing is, honestly people did not know that. Um, 445 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: I never did punt return or anything before I got 446 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: to the NFL. Like I never called a punt. I 447 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: couldn't catch a point. I didn't even have trust in 448 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 1: my own teammates to like you have to be have 449 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 1: a little bit of insanity to catch punts because your 450 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: head is almost had a ninety degree and you're saying, 451 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: I trust this person to make sure I don't get 452 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: bone up and even going up and fair catching it 453 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: in between traffic just for field position, like it's insane. 454 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: It's it's just insane. And especially like with me, I 455 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 1: would take a hit before I like catching uh fair catch, 456 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: and so um, all I did was like I was 457 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 1: a receiver before anything, before I even did special teams, 458 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: and so I was just like, you know, with being 459 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 1: my size, I want to add more to my game 460 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: than the toler receivers. I want them to know that, 461 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: like I'm I can be a returner and I can 462 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: take over on the special team games and on the offense. 463 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: And so I was just like, you know what, I'm 464 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: gonna add that that inst to it. I remember coming 465 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: into the lead and catching my first point with Darren 466 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: Rizzy as my special teams coach, and it was a 467 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: preseason game against the Giants, and he kicks me the 468 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: ball absolutely later bounce. I was like, in my head, 469 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not kissing that. And then Coach Rizzy 470 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: is on the sideline reddist can be. It was like, 471 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: why I didn't kiss the ball? I said, Coach, I 472 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: was scared. I'm not gonna out to you. I was scared. 473 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: He was like, listen, you're good. Just kissed the ball 474 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: and just be you. And so I called it and 475 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: took it four yards and then the rest is history. 476 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: And after that, I've just been just trying to perfect 477 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: my craft and trying to just be the best one 478 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:36,479 Speaker 1: at the best one at it. I'm good at this, Um, 479 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 1: I would say, Um, it's probably. I would say probably. 480 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 1: What was my kind of like my best year at 481 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: returned And I was like killing it leading the lead, 482 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,959 Speaker 1: and I was just like, man, I probably actually got 483 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 1: an act for it, and I was just tearing it 484 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: up like that was the year I scored, like on 485 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,239 Speaker 1: the kickoff return and a punt return, and so I 486 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: was just like, man, wow, Like I never thought I 487 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: would be good at part ever, and I was just 488 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 1: like when I started to get it, I was like, man, 489 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: and that's why the previous intel J to reference is 490 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 1: backyard football. And I was like, that's all it is 491 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: is kiss the ball and trying not to get to 492 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: exactly whatever happens. There's gonna be a lot of fun. 493 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: And certainly were excited to have you here. And I'm 494 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: sure you've got a sense of Browns fans very passionate 495 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: about their football team, and you're gonna have this place rocking. Man, 496 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: you take the house. It is going to be bonkers. 497 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: The first energy looking for that. So welcome to the 498 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 1: Browns and congrats. I appreciate it. Thanks Dudechim Grant for 499 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 1: a few minutes of his time. Thanks to Nathan Zigura 500 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: for his help as well. And here's a guy who's 501 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: very confident in his abilities. A former sixth round pick, 502 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: and he has made the most of his NFL career 503 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: through six seasons or grips. Yeah, it was a great 504 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: signing by the Browns that I would say it's it 505 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: officially was a very under the radar signing because I 506 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: think it hit at the peak of kind of Watson 507 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: mania at that point, so people are focused on the 508 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,360 Speaker 1: quarterback position and and you go in there and add 509 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: a guy with that's one of the best at his 510 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: position in the league. And I said that Browns have 511 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: been searching for this basically ever since that one season 512 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: you got out of Travis Benjamin. So you don't even 513 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: have that sustained guy. Really, you haven't had the sustained 514 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: guy since Crips, and I think that that's something that 515 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: has is quietly alluded to this team and hopefully you 516 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,360 Speaker 1: can get that. So it's steady solid. Hopefully he can 517 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: stay healthy all year. Uh, and you've got not just 518 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: someone that can catch the ball, but a weapon at 519 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: the position. Six seasons, there's only been one where he 520 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 1: hasn't returned either a punt or a kick for a touchdown, 521 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: So pretty impressive. The other big takeaway is he played 522 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: for Chad O'sheay in Miami and he said chad O'she 523 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: was a big reason why I'm here in the relationship 524 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: that he has. And again it's that coaching staff. It 525 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: goes back to the coaching staff altogether for a third 526 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: consecutive season and their ability to recruit players as well 527 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: as the players themselves. Yeah, and no one wants to 528 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: just be a returner. And I think that Jachim is 529 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: going to want to make an impact in some way 530 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,679 Speaker 1: on this offense. We uh a lot of plays with 531 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 1: Schwartz where you can get sweeps involved. I think Jachem 532 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: grants another guy that can get involved in kind of 533 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 1: the jet sweep game. And he's got speed and elusiveness. 534 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 1: He's a he's a smaller guy, but if you can 535 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: get him in space, he can he can make some 536 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 1: plays for He's not going to be someone that's on 537 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: the field for you every single snap, but a weapon 538 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: that you can include in this offense. And you know, 539 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 1: let de Shaun or Jacoby get get them the ball 540 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 1: in space and let him get moving. Yeah, he's got 541 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: a couple of rushing touchdowns. He's caught a hundred passes 542 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: in his career for seven touchdowns. Uh. The guy can 543 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: make some plays besides being on special teams, which right now, 544 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 1: in this wide receiver room, you need that. Yeah, there's 545 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: the opportunity there. I know that it's a position that 546 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: can still get addressed in the draft and likely will, 547 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 1: but but you've got, uh got some some opportunities to 548 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 1: to make some plays because there's you know, it's a 549 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: different looking room and I think that the the they 550 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: will look at it this in training camp and see 551 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: if you can make an impact on this offense. You're 552 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 1: gonna get on the field, all right. So we move 553 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 1: into to draft time and also phase one of offseason 554 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 1: workouts and ours will start Tuesday, April nineteen. But we're 555 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: looking at the draft, the individual the pro days are 556 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 1: just about done. The individual pro days are just about done. 557 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: Now comes those interviews and before we wrap up. You know, 558 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: there's gonna be some stories I'm sure coming out about 559 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,959 Speaker 1: guys taking visits with the Cleveland Browns. Grips. What are 560 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 1: they allowed to do, what are they not allowed to do? 561 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: And how did those visits seem to work when they Yeah, 562 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:34,919 Speaker 1: it's I think you're back to the normal way of 563 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: doing things. And that's usually thirty on campus visits. So 564 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: with the Browns not having a first round pick, it 565 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: might be a different looking kind of crew than you 566 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 1: would have had if you had the number thirteen pick. 567 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 1: But uh, there's usually just because someone visits doesn't mean 568 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: you're gonna draft him. It wouldn't be possible, but there 569 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 1: usually is especially some history with this team, especially in 570 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: the later rounds. If you bring in some guys for 571 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 1: these later round visits, there tends to be a connection there, 572 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: And uh, it's it's less out your board is your 573 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: board probably differs the most on Day three compared to 574 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: other teams in other other places. You're drafting for guys 575 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 1: that fit your schemes things like that, but it seems 576 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 1: like you bring in maybe multiple guys a day to 577 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: to kind of fit in the schedule, and you kind 578 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: of give them the round robin, You meet with their 579 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: specific coaches, the GM, everything like that, get everyone comfortable 580 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: with the players. So when you are maybe on the 581 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: fence on someone on in the fourth, fifth round or 582 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,919 Speaker 1: even earlier, you go back on how do they impress 583 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: you in those situations. And it's really kind of the 584 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 1: old school job interview that has kind of just evaded 585 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: teams across all sports the last couple of years. Yeah, 586 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting and it's also going to 587 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: be interesting to see do you continue to do the work. 588 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: It sounds like from what Andrew Berry said, you continue 589 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: to do the work on first round guys in the 590 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: event that you're able to move back up if there's 591 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: someone that falls. But how much work is done on 592 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 1: day for day one and how much work has done 593 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: for day two and day three? Yeah, I think it's 594 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: almost like you don't want to discredit the amount of 595 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 1: work they have done on Day two in the past, 596 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 1: because it's like they already were probably operating at max 597 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,479 Speaker 1: capacity on addressing Day two and Day three guys. So 598 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 1: it's like the work stays the same. It's just that, 599 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 1: you know, maybe you do prepare for some Day one guys, 600 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:13,479 Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, you know that 601 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: you don't have a first round pick and you're not 602 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 1: exactly loaded with assets to make the kind of move 603 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: up into the first round or do what it takes 604 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 1: uh to move up. We just saw what the Saints 605 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 1: had to give up to get an extra first round 606 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: pick this year. It costs a lot. It usually costs 607 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: a first round pick, and the Browns don't have one 608 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: of those until so you gotta you gotta be realistic 609 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: and what the situation is. But uh, you still have 610 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: three picks on on day two, and the hope is, 611 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,719 Speaker 1: like you have the last couple of years, that you're 612 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: getting someone with a first round grade on day two. 613 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: All Right, we'll see what happens here over the coming 614 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: days and weeks as we get closer to the NFL Draft. 615 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: Make sure you like and subscribe today to the Best 616 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: Podcast Available. Wherever you get your podcasts. 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