1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 2: What's up everybody? 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 3: Welcome to move to sticks, DJ, Bucky and our good 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 3: friend Tom Telesco joining us today. Tom, how are you doing, man. 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 2: I'm doing great. Thanks for having me on again. 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 3: Well excited, I mean we were just sitting here chatting 7 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 3: before we went on about you know, how underratedly long 8 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 3: the NFL season is in comparison to the other football 9 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 3: that we're around. High school football pretty much wrapping up. 10 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 3: We've got college football heading towards championship weekend. But man, 11 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 3: there's a lot of NFL football left. 12 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 13 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: That's the one thing with rookies when they come in 14 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: the league, to try and explain them how long this 15 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: league really is, because essentially, right now we're at the 16 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: midway point of this year. If you're a high school player, 17 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: you're basically your season is either ended or you have 18 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: one or two weeks left. If you're a college player, 19 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: you're getting ready for conference championship games and potentially a 20 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: bowl game. But as far as they have this many 21 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: regular season games left, and these are the most important 22 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: games right now as you get towards the playoffs. 23 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, looking forward to you know, some of these meaningful 24 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 3: matchups in terms of the scouting thing. By the way, 25 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 3: real quick, we'll get to a bunch of other topics 26 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 3: I want to get to on the NFL side of things. 27 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 3: But man, this is the time of year where I'm 28 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 3: just starting to jump into the college guys, and you just, 29 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 3: you know, before I watch the tape, let me call 30 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 3: and at least get some measurables on some of these guys. 31 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 3: It has not changed over the years. Man, the listed 32 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 3: measurables versus the verified measurables is a it's still a canyon, 33 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 3: a grand canyon, est gap between those that still exists. 34 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, all the way back to high school 35 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: when you get the height, weights and speeds on players, 36 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: and then it goes into college recruiting and then you know, 37 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: you know, strength coaches are great at colleges. They do 38 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: a tremendous job, but a lot of numbers you get 39 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: from the schools are kind of juiced. Yes, ten times 40 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: forty times you know, bench presses, short shuttle, three cone and. 41 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 2: Even heightened weights. 42 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: But to me, I mean that's verified information is so 43 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: important when you start watching these players, like I need 44 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: to know, like if an offensive tackle is the two 45 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: eighty five or is he three h five, that's a 46 00:01:58,640 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: big difference. 47 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 2: So having the real numbers is important, you know, Tom. 48 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 4: It's funny the other day DJ and I were talking 49 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 4: about body types and I was on the field before 50 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:09,519 Speaker 4: we played the textas and I was looking at daneil 51 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 4: Hunter and just how big and how long he is. 52 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 4: Do you still find value and that when scouts go 53 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 4: on the road and they're doing those first school visits 54 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 4: to body type the players. So you're talking about the verifies, 55 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 4: but also to be able to give you a visual 56 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 4: depiction of what a player looks like on the hoof. 57 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. 58 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: I think it's that's one of the area scouts one 59 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: of their biggest jobs is to paint a picture of 60 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: the player as if I haven't seen them at risk, 61 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: as if their college director has not seen them at 62 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: or the head coach. So and part of that is 63 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: just kind of described the body type. Now, just because 64 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: the player is long and looks great doesn't mean to 65 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: be a great player, but it still kind of gives 66 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: us a visual of what that player can be, you know, 67 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: good or bad. And then it used to be probably 68 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: not as much so now try and give us a 69 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,959 Speaker 1: feel of could this player put on weight on his frame? 70 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: But it does seem like the way colleges are nowadays, 71 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: between their training tape and their strength conditioning programs. Most 72 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 1: players that we receive from Division one, certainly I kind 73 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: of are what they are at this point body wise. 74 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: I think thirty years ago was different, where you know, 75 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: you have a tackle maybe weighs two eighty five and 76 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: you know you can get another fifteen twenty pounds on them. 77 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, that's probably one of the bigger parts of 78 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: live scouting, certainly at a game where a practice, Yeah, it. 79 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 3: Turns out not having to go to classes a way 80 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 3: to meet your physical potential in college. 81 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 2: Now some of the changes over the years. 82 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 3: Hey, it's all online. It's all being done above board. 83 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 3: I'm not throwing into lobs there, Buck. I was talking 84 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 3: to Tom a little before you popped on, and I 85 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 3: wanted to have this conversation with you as well. But 86 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 3: I was listening to an interview the other day with 87 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 3: a former manager in baseball, and they were asking him 88 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 3: about the changes in baseball from you know, when he 89 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 3: began twenty five years ago to where it is now. 90 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 3: He was referencing the influential voices where it used to 91 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 3: be more of a small circle, and now all these 92 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 3: other different departments in terms of sports performance, in terms 93 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 3: of you know, obviously your pitching group, your hitting group, 94 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 3: they have offensive coordinators now on baseball they have you know, 95 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 3: all the advanced stuff, all the analytics, all the technology 96 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 3: that's been incorporated into this, and so that circle of 97 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 3: influence has really grown. And I thought we got Tom 98 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 3: On here, someone who's been a GM for two different teams. Tom, 99 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 3: I'm curious, how how does the NFL compare in that 100 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 3: way and how did it change from when you first 101 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 3: started to where you were last year. 102 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: Well, I know I had a chance to sit in 103 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: some different baseball at draft meetings, once with the Padres 104 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: when Josh Burns was the GM, and then once with 105 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: the Angels when Billy Eppler was there, And yeah, their 106 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: departments are certainly they have more people, they have more 107 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: I mean, they have to scout more players, so they 108 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: have more areascals, they got more directors. But then they 109 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: have more departments really than the NFL does. But I 110 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 1: think even in the NFL, you're taking a lot of 111 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: opinions from a lot of people. So initially your group 112 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: is very large as far as who you were talking to. 113 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 1: And then and I learned this from Bill Polling, as 114 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: you get towards the end of the process, when you're 115 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: making the decision on the on the players, that's more 116 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: of a small group discussion involving the head coach, you know, 117 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: maybe your college director or player personnel director and the GM. 118 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: But when you're starting initially, I mean there's a lot 119 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: of voices in it. I mean, if you just look 120 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: at Area Scouts, Regional Scout, director of College Scouting, and 121 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: then you look at assistant coaches, coordinators, head coaches, and 122 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: then you just talk about the information received from your 123 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 1: strength coaches. I like to always hear about body types 124 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: from them, lean weights, body. 125 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 2: You know that sort of thing. 126 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: Doctors, medical, We have a ton of meetings with our 127 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: team doctors to go over all the durability, all the 128 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: character things that we receive from our security department psychological testing. 129 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 1: So there's a lot of things that go into getting 130 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: all the information together on the player and then on 131 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: the back end and a smaller group taking all that 132 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: information together kind of put a bow around it and 133 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: try to make a decision on players. 134 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 4: So Tom, because you talk about like how vast that 135 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 4: that conversation is, so many people, so many voices, When 136 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 4: do you have to move all those people out of 137 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 4: the room so you can get with the smaller guys. 138 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 4: Is there like a timeframe like the beginning of April 139 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 4: when are. 140 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: You trying to like eliminate some of the outside noise. Yeah, 141 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,119 Speaker 1: that's a great point. I wanted all of that done 142 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: by April first because a lot of the information and 143 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: receiving on the back end, not so much the player evaluation, 144 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 1: the information you have that already, but a lot of 145 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: the medical and the character and the psychological testing and 146 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: even like you're the eVols from your coaches. I want 147 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: to make sure I have that by April first. And 148 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: now then we'll go to a small group and put 149 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: that together. Now what I had done, and this could 150 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: be right, could be wrong. When I would meet with 151 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: the strained coaches, or I meet with the doctors, or 152 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: meet with the college scouts or the coaches, I did 153 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: it all separately, kind of in a vacuum. I wanted 154 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: to hear their opinions. I didn't want them influence by 155 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 1: anybody else. So we would do all those meetings separately 156 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: with those groups, and then you know, I would tie 157 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: it all together in the back end, and sometimes you'd 158 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: have some question on somebody and we'd bring somebody in 159 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: and kind of bounce some things off them. But it's 160 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: a large amount of information to go through, and every 161 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: year seems like it's more and more, and part of 162 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: the job is trying to figure out what information really 163 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: doesn't factor. So let's just throw that out and just 164 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: stick with the information we know that factors for us 165 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: and trying to make the highest odds decision we can 166 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: on a player. 167 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 3: I've thought about this the other day, and I don't 168 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 3: know that we've ever had this discussion. And I know 169 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 3: the three of us have talked so much over the 170 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 3: years about you know, scouting and where it's going and 171 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 3: innovation and those things. 172 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 2: I was thinking about this, you know, Tom. 173 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 3: We'd always say, you know, guys are better at evaluating 174 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 3: certain positions. You have the same scouts for a period 175 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 3: of time, some guys are just going to have a 176 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 3: more you know, favorable outcome when they're watching wide outs 177 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 3: and maybe they don't, you know, do as well when 178 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 3: they're doing linebackers. And you can assign guys different positions 179 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 3: based off their strength and their. 180 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 2: Hit record over the year. But then there's also been 181 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 2: times where we would talk. 182 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 3: About, oh, this guy's a really good evaluator, but he's 183 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 3: not great on background. And maybe this scout is awesome 184 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,679 Speaker 3: in terms of getting background information, but we don't necessarily 185 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 3: trust as grades. 186 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 2: Are you surprised. 187 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 3: And maybe this maybe some team has done this, But 188 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 3: I almost wonder why you almost look at it as 189 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 3: two different jobs and say, we're going to send our 190 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 3: best background guys. Don't even worry about giving us your 191 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 3: tape work. We're going to the school. You guys have 192 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 3: these sources that you've been able to accumulate over the years, 193 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 3: and let's get you in there, get as much information 194 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 3: as you can, and let's get you out of there. 195 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 3: You could cut the day in half, really and then 196 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 3: get you out to the next place to go gather 197 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 3: more information. And maybe some of the other guys are 198 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 3: doing more of the tape work. 199 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: Sounds good on the surface, I would worry about morale 200 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: by telling an area scout, hey, look, you are great 201 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: on background, but you kind of suck at the evail portion, 202 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: so just want should go into the schools and just 203 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: talk to people. 204 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 2: So I think, you. 205 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 1: Know, putting it together our scouting staff is not a 206 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: lot different than putting a team together. So trying to 207 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: make sure all that because there's there's no perfect players, 208 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: no perfect coaches, and no perfect gms. There's no perfect 209 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: scouts all the time. So yeah, you do get a 210 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: feel for different scouts. Who's better than others, some like inherently, 211 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: maybe one guy's a little better on the offensive line. 212 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: So if you're in a scouting meeting and we're talking 213 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,839 Speaker 1: about an offensive lineman, maybe that guy hasn't seen him, 214 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 1: I say, hey, look, hey, so and so, why don't 215 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:13,839 Speaker 1: you go watch him and just you know, next time 216 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: you come in the media, come in, give give me 217 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: your thoughts. Is a little bit of a cross check. 218 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: And the same with even background information. If there's a 219 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: piece of information I feel like we need we don't have, 220 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: then you know, you may be send a guy in 221 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: to a special assignment. Hey, I want you to go 222 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: do a little special work on this player to try 223 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 1: and help us out, try. 224 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 2: And answer some of these questions. But it's it's a 225 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 2: puzzle you're constantly trying to put together. 226 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 3: Did you ever have anybody though, where you might have 227 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 3: one guy who's just an animal in terms of going 228 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 3: in there and unearthing information. Say, hey, we've got some 229 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 3: conflicting information on this player. We don't have a great 230 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 3: feel for him. I know you're in this role in 231 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 3: this part of the country, or hey, we need to 232 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 3: get on a plane and get down to you know, 233 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 3: Iowa to give us, you know, a real take on 234 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 3: this player. 235 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. 236 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: Maybe not so much putting them on a plane to 237 00:09:58,080 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: go somewhere. But when I was with. 238 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 2: The Charge as we had area scout, I think he's 239 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 2: still there. 240 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: Chris Hobbs. He had great people skills and he just 241 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: had a way of. 242 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 2: Pulling information out of people. 243 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: So he was one of those scouts that I knew, 244 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: whatever information we're getting from the West Coast on those 245 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: players like that was rock solid, Like I don't have 246 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: to worry about going anywhere else to get the information 247 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: because he just had a great feel for it. And 248 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: some people it's just in their in their personalities that 249 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: are just really good at on earthing and just and 250 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: and that's the other thing is the longer you're in 251 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: an area, the more you know the coaches, the more, 252 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: they trust you that that information that they give the 253 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: area scout will go to the club but won't leave us. 254 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: And we got to make sure that because that's, you know, 255 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: information that shouldn't be public, but it's information that we 256 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: need and we have to make sure we protect that 257 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:43,719 Speaker 1: the best we can, or else you go back to 258 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: that school and they're not going to tell you that 259 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: the truthful information. 260 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 2: You know. Town. 261 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 4: This is all fascinating because it does it kind of 262 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 4: reminds me of the initial. 263 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 2: Years of scouting. We're getting PTSD buck, we're gonna shake 264 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 2: in hair. 265 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 4: No no, no, no, no, but but but but like when 266 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 4: you're getting trained, because I do think that there is 267 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 4: an art to it where you naturally have an eye, 268 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 4: but there's a lot of training that goes into teaching 269 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 4: somebody how to be a scout. Tom, how much time 270 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 4: did you guys spend on really training your scouts in 271 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 4: terms of not only what you're looking for, but the 272 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 4: entire process of being a scout beyond just evaluating the tape, 273 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 4: but all of the other things that go with it. 274 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's part of the director of college Scouting's job, 275 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: the director player of personnel his job to a certain extent, 276 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: the GM's job is they really have to teach, especially 277 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: your younger, your younger scouts, and they usually start out 278 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 1: as scouting assistance, where part of that job is they're 279 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: in the office so they can kind of learn. 280 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 2: But there's certainly an art to it. 281 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: And even as far as gaining information, we talk about, 282 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: you know, going into a school and getting background on players. 283 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: We brought in a private investigator who I've known way 284 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: back for thirty years, d and Richie Toffitt, and he's 285 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: basically a PI, and he gave our scouting staff a 286 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 1: presentation on how to ask the right questions to make 287 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: sure you pull that information out standing at it. So 288 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: we do diff different things like that every training camp. 289 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: It was a big time to try and go through 290 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: and just talk about each position group, what we're looking 291 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: for and. 292 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 2: What it looks like. 293 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: But it's, uh, that's the all the directors jobs and 294 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: GM job is to keep you developing your younger scouts, 295 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: you know, when they come in the organization. 296 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,599 Speaker 3: You know, I've long been fascinated by the questions that 297 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 3: you know, what are the right questions to get to 298 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 3: some interesting answers to at least learn something about somebody. 299 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 3: So the one that we've been using lately is one 300 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 3: that I picked up for my buddy Ken Coleman is 301 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 3: in the leadership space tom So. 302 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 2: We Askedkeikley this. He gave us a great answer. 303 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 3: But I'll ask you this, as someone who's been a 304 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 3: general manager, what ticked you off? As far as answers, 305 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 3: you can take it whatever you want to take it. 306 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 3: Just what would make you mad when you were in 307 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 3: that role? What would what would really bother you? What 308 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 3: would tick you off? 309 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: Are you talking about in in a scouting meaning, just 310 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: like when we were talking to a player. 311 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 3: It could be in life, it could be. It's an 312 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 3: open ended question. That's why it's such a great question 313 00:12:58,040 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 3: because you could take it. 314 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: Let me give you, I'll give you, I'll give if 315 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: you could answer that a thousand different ways. 316 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 3: You're right, that's why you learn about somebody. Because we 317 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 3: asked Keikley this. Right now he's retired. Hey, as a player, 318 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 3: what really ticked you off? He said, Oh, guys that 319 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 3: weren't locked in and walk throughs would drive me nuts. 320 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 3: Like this is not a waste of time. Be focused 321 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 3: worrying about your assignment. Know what you're supposed to do, 322 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 3: take the right step like this is not this is 323 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 3: not just something you roll your eyes, chew bubblegum and 324 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 3: get through. Like you've got to be locked in. And 325 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 3: when guys weren't locked in at walkthroughs, you would drive 326 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 3: him bombers. So that's one way of answering that question. 327 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 3: But I think it's a way to it's opening to question. 328 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 3: Guys can take it anywhere they want to take it. 329 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: That's actually, you know, because we talk about the combined 330 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: interviews where you only get fifteen to twenty minutes, it's 331 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: very structured. Most teams ask the same questions and then 332 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: obviously the players know what questions are coming. You kind 333 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 1: of can't answer, so you try and come up with 334 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: some different outside the box questions just to get something 335 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: different from the player in those meetings. 336 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 2: That's actually not a bad one right there. That's what's 337 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 2: kind of fun though. 338 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 3: But was there anything that frustrated you in your role, 339 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 3: like whether it was with staff or you know, the 340 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 3: job in general, Oh my gosh, probably on a daily basis. 341 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 2: You just got to work through it. 342 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: You know that it's our job to have answers rather 343 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: than just always coming up with you know, complaints or 344 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: problems which you tend to get. Like the one thing 345 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: with it's hard being a college scout where you're on 346 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: the road, you're looking at college players for. 347 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 2: The following year. 348 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: Yet you're watching your team play every Sunday, and then 349 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: you tend to have a lot of opinions on what 350 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: your team should be doing. Right at college, you know, 351 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: you're spending Saturday usually watching the game on TV somewhere 352 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: and you call your director, you call a GM, Hey, 353 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: how can we're not playing so and so? 354 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 2: Hey, how can we're warning the ball on third time 355 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 2: right here? And it would get hey, look trying to 356 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 2: explain it. Hey, look, you're not here every day. 357 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: You don't know the game plan, you don't know who's proxing, well, 358 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: you don't know who's been so you know. But you 359 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: also like, hey, that college gott he wants to win 360 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: like you do. He's putting everything you can into it, 361 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: and he wants to have an opinion. So you have 362 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: to listen to it for a little bit. But i'd 363 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: give a little bit of time. That's like, okay, we 364 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: all have our roles. Role right now is to go 365 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: find us players for twenty twenty six, right and our 366 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: coaches role right now is to get us to. 367 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 2: Win right you know, to win right now. We never 368 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 2: did that. We never did that. No, we were supportive. 369 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 3: I'm glad we're not playing our talented young times. Let's 370 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 3: keep playing those veterans that know what to do, and 371 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 3: we think, you know what, let's just keep losing games. 372 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 3: This is so much fun out here on the road 373 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 3: as I'm away from my family. 374 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 2: It was funny. It was funny some of those players. 375 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: They complain about our players that we drafted maybe a 376 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: couple of years ago, Like, hey, wait, were you standing 377 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: on the table for that offense years ago? 378 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 2: It changes, the wind can change quick. Hey, let's say 379 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 2: let's take quick break. We'll come back. 380 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 3: We'll jump into some current NFL stuff. But always fun 381 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 3: to catch up with mister Telluska. Will be right back. 382 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 3: All right, Tom, Let's get into some football stuff. What's 383 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 3: going on in the league right now? New England is 384 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 3: team We've been talking about a lot. And people can 385 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 3: look at the schedule, say whatever they want to say. 386 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 3: The record they are, who your record says you are? 387 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 3: They're playing great, Bucky and I have been, you know, 388 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 3: looking at the fact that man two years if you 389 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 3: can get it right in two years, in terms of 390 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 3: within a two year period, if you get the head 391 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 3: coach to quarterback, and one of those two years you 392 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 3: ace the draft, which they definitely did this year. 393 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 2: It can turn. 394 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 3: Man, whoever you think a franchise is, it can turn 395 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 3: within a couple of years. 396 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 2: It's turned quick. 397 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: I mean, if they had six wins right now, I'd 398 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: be surprised, but having nine, I thought. 399 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 2: They were still a year or two away. 400 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: I was, you know, I did a lot of NFL 401 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: radio on Serious X sum this summer, talked about the 402 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: Patriots all their changes, and I'm like, look, I still 403 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: think they're year or two away. And then they lost 404 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: Opening Day to the Raiders. It kind of validated kind 405 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: of what I thought, like, yeah, look, they're just not 406 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: there yet. You know they'll be okay, but they're not 407 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: there yet. But obviously they are. And nobody builds a 408 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: culture faster than Vrabel. And then you pair that with 409 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: Elliott Wolf. Elliott knows talent, and like I said, this 410 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: has gone fast. Quarterback helps. That helps accelerate things. But 411 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: they've got a probably minimum five starters out of the 412 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: draft this year, which is basically amazing. To do two 413 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: offensive linemen with Campbell and Wilson and Travion Henderson. They 414 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: got the kicker for a Gallas, so that's four and 415 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: then the safety Woodson. 416 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 2: That's five starters from from the draft. So that allowed 417 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 2: them to. 418 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: Really trade two good players Kyle Dugger and Keon ken White, 419 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: who probably. 420 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 2: Just maybe just didn't fit the scheme anymore. 421 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: And then defensively, they really bought a defense through for agency, 422 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: which rarely works. But if you get your evals right 423 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: and you spend the money the right way, which is 424 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: again hard to do in free agency, they hit on 425 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: it and they're like a top five defense right now. 426 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 1: And some of that scheme, but a lot of that's 427 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: the players too. So when you see that quick a turnaround, 428 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: I think if you're an owner of a team, that's 429 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: you know, stre. 430 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 2: Like, hey, look the Patriots just did it. 431 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: And I know, like in baseball, like the Rebills take 432 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: two or three years because you got to, you know, 433 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: restart the farm system and move players up, but it 434 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: takes time. But in football, once you get the quarterback, 435 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 1: they're kind of proving that turnaround can be a lot 436 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: quicker than you think. And you know, they're nine to two. 437 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: They've played who they can play this year, but they've 438 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: been impressive on both sides of the ball. 439 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 4: You know, Tom, you mentioned something that I've always been 440 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,239 Speaker 4: fascinated by it, Like I think Mike Rabel is an 441 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,959 Speaker 4: outstanding coach because I feel like in Tennessee there were 442 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 4: years he did the most with the least and they 443 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 4: were always competitive and edgy and those things you mentioned 444 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 4: about him being a guy that builds a. 445 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 2: Culture unlike anybody else. 446 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 4: Can you just talk about it from a general manager 447 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 4: of you, What is it about Mike Rabel that helps 448 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 4: him connect with players or establish the culture right away? 449 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 2: Because I'm fascinated by his success. 450 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 1: I think the first part he just said is just, 451 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: you know, the connection with players, because you're connecting with 452 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: all different players, not just defense, not just offense. And 453 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: you got younger players, older players coming from all over 454 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: the country, all different thoughts and beliefs, but you have 455 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 1: to pull together as a team. But he just has 456 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 1: that trade that that that team building, team bonding and 457 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: then holding accountability trait, and then you know, you combine 458 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: that with really good players. But I think having the 459 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: playing background always it can always help. You know, he's 460 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: been in their shoes, and not as a top draft 461 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: pick and not as a as a as a blue 462 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: chip player either. He was a tough that's he's an 463 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 1: overachiever really as a player, but a highly productive player, 464 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: but had to earn everything he could in the NFL, 465 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: and he learned the right way in the Patriots system 466 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: as a player, So I think that carries over. But 467 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: I think it's just it's just that that connection to 468 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: to his players and you can see how they react 469 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: to him, how they how hard they play for him, 470 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: and either have that trade or you don't. 471 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,719 Speaker 2: He obviously has it. Yeah, I think about it. 472 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 3: You know, hard pressed to find a guy who comes 473 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 3: in with more clout and credibility, with an owner and 474 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 3: a fan base. He'd already established all that, so I 475 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 3: mean he had the whole, the whole, you know, entire 476 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 3: operation in terms of the city and the organization all 477 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 3: behind him. Knowing that this guy's a winner and he's 478 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 3: done it previously at Tennessee as well, is what he 479 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 3: did as a player there in New England. But it's 480 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 3: been an incredible turnaround there. The other one I wanted 481 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 3: to hit you on was one of the openings that 482 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 3: we have Brian Dayball got let go. The Giants canna 483 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 3: be looking for head coach this offseason, and I was 484 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 3: kind of looking at it. I know, look, it's not 485 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 3: the easiest market in the world. They've split up in 486 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 3: the spit out a lot of a lot of talented 487 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 3: guys as players and executives and coaches. But tom, look 488 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 3: they got a quarterback, they got a left tackle, they 489 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 3: got edge rushers, they got a DT, they got a 490 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 3: big time receiver, they got a running back. 491 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 2: I think this is a pretty attractive head coaching job. Man, 492 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 2: What do you think? I agree? 493 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 1: Because number one, they have the quarterback and I think 494 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 1: he's going to be a big time player for them, 495 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: and that's where it all starts. 496 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 2: To me. 497 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 1: The thing I can't figure out this year is I 498 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: agree with you, like they have players on defense. I 499 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 1: thought their front seven was gonna be outstayed this year. 500 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: They just haven't played like that. But there's talent on 501 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: that side the ball. To have some talent in the secondary. 502 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: But to me, the strength of their team I thought 503 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 1: was going to be on the defensive front. And then 504 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: they've got linebackers who can really run and have range. 505 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: But you're right, they have a lot of pieces, starting 506 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: with the quarterback. They have neighbors coming back off injured reserve. 507 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: He'll be back next year. They have a left tackle. 508 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: They have a running back, I mean Skataboo. He brought 509 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: an identity to that offense that they had not had 510 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: and I think. 511 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 2: He can be a real starting running back in this league. 512 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 2: He's shown that. 513 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: You just have to pair them, probably with another player 514 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: with a little more juice, a little more speed, but again, 515 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 1: you want to play it more than one back. Anyways, 516 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: the offensive line is the thing that's going to have 517 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: to be yeah, and that's going to have to be 518 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: through the draft. I mean this is it's the same 519 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: starting five is in twenty twenty four and they struggled 520 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: that year and they just they ran it back with 521 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 1: the same group. That's going to have to be improved 522 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 1: through the draft. It's harden for agency just because if 523 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: teams have good offensive lineman, obviously they don't want to 524 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: part with them. So it's just and you'll never find 525 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: a tackle at starting tackle and for agency usually maybe 526 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,719 Speaker 1: a guard center, but that's going to be a project 527 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 1: for the offseason. But uh, they have some skilled position players. 528 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: They have a quarterback, they have talent on defense. It's 529 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: a tremendous organization and the way they handle things. Family run, 530 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: classy organization, and it's in you know, it's in New York. 531 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's going to be a very coveted job. 532 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 2: Buck buck real quick. 533 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 3: I mean, if you've got the left tackle, Chicago would 534 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 3: be a great litmus test. Like just look at what 535 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 3: I mean. They've rebuilt the interior of that offensive line, 536 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 3: and I think that's something where you get the get 537 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 3: the right tackle on the draft, Go draft yourself a 538 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 3: tackle and then just maybe just being aggressive on interior 539 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 3: offensive line. 540 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, look when when when you look at them, you 541 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 4: talked about the offensive line and those things. 542 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 2: DJ. 543 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 4: We had a conversation to Tom. This would be good 544 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 4: to get your perspective. We talked about that job might 545 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 4: be a job for someone who has hit the job before, 546 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 4: meaning a coach who's been a head coach before in 547 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 4: the National Football League understands the way of operating. But 548 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 4: I want to ask you time, as a general manager, 549 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 4: if you're thinking about taking someone who has already been 550 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 4: a head coach before, what are you looking for in 551 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 4: the interview or doing the process to show the growth 552 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 4: from their first experience to what they would. 553 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 2: Bring maybe the second and third time around. 554 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess you would talk about, you know, there's 555 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: a reason why they're not employed right now, so you 556 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: probably want to talk about what happened in their last 557 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: job that kind of led to that, and yeah, what 558 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: growth has happened from then till now to make sure 559 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: that doesn't happen again. Now, every situation is going to 560 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: be different, but certainly with the head coach that's done 561 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 1: up before, the interview process is it's a lot smoother. 562 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 2: They've been through the process. 563 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,719 Speaker 1: Many times before, they've been in that seat, they've been 564 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: in that job, So there's a lot of questions that 565 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: you can kind of get through pretty quickly in the 566 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: interview process that you probably would have to hit more 567 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: with the first time head coach. But you can really 568 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 1: get into, you know, if they've been out for a year, 569 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: been out for two years, or if they've now gone 570 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: back to being a coordinator and now I want to 571 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 1: come in your interviewing for head coaching job is. 572 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, where's the growth and what would you do differently? 573 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 2: What would you do the same? 574 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 1: I think that'd be a big part of the interview process. 575 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: And I think for the Giants job, to me, the 576 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 1: biggest question you're going to ask, you know, potential head coaches, 577 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: all right, how do you. 578 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 2: Want to handle Jackson Dart? 579 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: What kind of style do you because obviously he has 580 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,719 Speaker 1: a style of how he likes to play. It's just 581 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 1: not conducive for heaping them healthy. I mean, he's not 582 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: the size of Josh Allen. He's got decent bulk, but 583 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 1: he's just not He's not six four sixty five two forty. 584 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: So how do you want to use them? And how 585 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: are you going to get that through to the quarterback? 586 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: Because you know, every player say, hey, look this is 587 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: my style. That is how I want to play. But 588 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: now you're going to play our style. We're going to 589 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,719 Speaker 1: keep you healthy, we're going to win games, but we're 590 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 1: gonna have to change a little bit of how we 591 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: do this. So I was, you know, what's your plan 592 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: for the quarterback and how you're going to handle this 593 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: to keep them ready to play for seventeen games? 594 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 3: When you were interviewing coaches, did you ever get anything 595 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 3: from those interviews that could help your operation? Maybe you 596 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 3: didn't hire that coach, but there was something you learned. Hey, 597 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 3: tell me how you do things where you are or 598 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 3: where you've been, a lot of these guys or coordinators 599 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 3: for successful teams that are interviewing, did you ever take 600 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 3: anything from them and then incorporate in your own organization? 601 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: Well, you learn a lot in the interviews, so I 602 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: think certainly yes. Some of the things I like the 603 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: most was because usually spend a lot of time talking 604 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: about your own team and asking the person you're interviewing, 605 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: you know, basically, what do you think of our players? 606 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: Who do we have, who do you like? Who do 607 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: you think we need to upgrade from? I think that's 608 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: always helpful to get an outside perspective from somebody else 609 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: of your own players. But do you cover so much 610 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 1: through the process, you know, even down to you know 611 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: how you travel? You know, if we're a West Coast team, 612 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: do you like to travel Friday to go to the 613 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: East Coast? You like to travel Saturday go to the 614 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: East coast? Things like that. So yeah, there's certainly things 615 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: you can pull out from the interviews that even if 616 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: you don't hire the coach, it may help you down 617 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: the road. The interview process was fascinating, was fun to 618 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,239 Speaker 1: do because you get a chance to meet a lot 619 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: of coaches that I had not have ever had, you know, 620 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,719 Speaker 1: one on one time with or group had never had 621 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: one on one time with. 622 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 2: And I mean football's football, Like, there's just so much. 623 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 1: To learn that's out there that that that the game's 624 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: changing constantly and people do different things. 625 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 2: So that's a great place to learn. Time my own 626 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 2: ashes before that she goes, I think it's it's interesting. 627 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 4: We talked about the beginning of the set and we 628 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 4: talked about how long the season is and now they 629 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 4: are like seven or so games left. As a general managers, 630 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 4: is there anything that you're thinking about doing to enhance 631 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 4: your roster as you get ready for the stretch run? 632 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 2: For instance, instance, when. 633 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 4: I was in Green Bay, Ron Wolf would always find 634 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 4: a veteran that was out there. 635 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:34,959 Speaker 2: He may not be able to play, but he had 636 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 2: either Super Bowl experience or. 637 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 4: Significant expertise to be able to help the young guys 638 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 4: to get ready for the postseason. Did you ever have 639 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 4: anything in your bag that you're thinking about the final 640 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 4: month of the season. I want to make sure I 641 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 4: have somebody on the team or something that I do 642 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 4: to help our team maximize their potential. 643 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess probably a little bit a little bit different. 644 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: I'd be I'd be worried about signing a veteran right 645 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,479 Speaker 1: now who is not on a team out the year, 646 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: and now if he was somewhere and in shape or it. 647 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 2: Go, it'd be different. 648 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 1: But what we used to concentrate on is a lot 649 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: of your young players and practice squad players from August 650 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 1: into September is to get those guys ready because we 651 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: may need them in November and December. Like they're not 652 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: ready to play in September and October anyways, but once 653 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: you get into November, December, January, if you have injuries 654 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: and you need injury replacements, there's very little places to 655 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: go if you try and get another player's. 656 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 2: Practice squad player. 657 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 1: At that point of the year, most practice squad players 658 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: have already been brought up to the active roster that 659 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: have you know, NFL traits, so a lot of practice 660 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: squads they are picked over at that point, so you 661 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: usually have what you have. So it was big on 662 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: make sure we're developing our younger players on our practice 663 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: squad so they're ready to go late in the year 664 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: to kind of keep the system going. And then I 665 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to do with the Raiders, but 666 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: I had done it with the Charges a couple of times. 667 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 1: Around Thanksgiving, I go in on Tuesday morning. It was 668 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: a player's day off, but a lot of our rookies 669 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: would be in for some player engagement, life light skills 670 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 1: type meetings. I going to meet with all the rookies 671 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 1: and just talk to them about Hey, post Thanksgiving, like, 672 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 1: it gets hard right now. It's hard on your bodies. 673 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: It's such a long season. You're not used to this. 674 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: It gets hard mentally, and just talking about the process 675 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: and that you know, this is normal if you're going 676 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: through some tough times right now. It's normal as a 677 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: young player because we're gonna need these young guys late 678 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: in the year. If you get lucky at the trade deadline, 679 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 1: you maybe you'll get a veteran in that can maybe 680 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: help a little bit. But to go out to you 681 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: sign somebody right now off the street hadn't been at 682 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 1: training camp. 683 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 2: You know. I have a hard time doing that, but 684 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 2: I gotta get the young guys ready to go. 685 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 3: That's a great point. Last one for me, Tom will 686 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 3: let you go. How have you enjoyed being a casual 687 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 3: watcher of football this year? 688 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 2: I love just telling some of this yesterday. 689 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 1: I love Sundays just watching games from you know, West 690 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: Coast wise with the international games from six thirty am 691 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: until eight thirty pm. To watch this many games and 692 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: not have to worry about who wins or who loses. 693 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 2: I root for certain people in the league. 694 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: That I know, but it's not like it was before, 695 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: where every game is life or death, not only our 696 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: games but the teams in our division. And you're always 697 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: worrying about something else. And so to sit back as 698 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: a fan and watch all these games, it's incredible. Absolutely 699 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: love it. There's nothing better than Sunday. It's just just 700 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: doing this and hope they'll be working again at some point. 701 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: It won't always be like this, but I'm enjoying it 702 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: right now. 703 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 3: He's just like all of us, you know what I mean. 704 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 3: We all are just football fans at Barton. It's fun 705 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 3: to take in a ball game and doesn't affect your 706 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 3: life all that much who wins or who loses. Just 707 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 3: get a chance to enjoy a nice football game when 708 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 3: we get to each Absolutely, it's not a bad gig. 709 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 2: Man, No it is not. 710 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 3: That's fantastic, all right, You're the best time. We appreciate 711 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 3: you giving us as much time as you have. We'll 712 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 3: do this down the road again. Appreciate you. 713 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: Awesome, Thanks Buck, Thanks DJH. 714 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 3: There he goes Buck, Tom to LESCo. A great friend, 715 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 3: a great dude, and a great football mind. Fun to 716 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 3: just kind of go where you want to go. I 717 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 3: mean talking about scouting, nerd out on that stuff, as 718 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 3: well as some of the some of. 719 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 2: The other topics that are pertinent to what's going on 720 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 2: in the league right now. Yeah. Look, tremendous amount of success. 721 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 4: He has so much knowledge and like you said, in 722 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 4: the need of Bill Paulding for a long time and 723 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 4: so being able to take all that, what he learned 724 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 4: from a Hall of Fame executive, what he learned as 725 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 4: a gentle manager of two different franchises is great to 726 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 4: tap into that as a resource. 727 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 3: I don't know how you were, but I remember, like, 728 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 3: to me, the difference wasn't watching the NFL games when 729 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 3: I was done, It was watching how different it was 730 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 3: to watch college games, because when you were watching college games, 731 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 3: you were only paying it. You were just looking at 732 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 3: the guys that you would watch tape on. So I'm 733 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,479 Speaker 3: just watching like this, they have a left tackle prospect. 734 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 3: I'm gonna watch college game, but I don't even really 735 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 3: notice the game. I'm just watching him every snap on TV, 736 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 3: and it didn't really appreciate the entirety of the game. 737 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 3: You just watching specific players, and I know, obviously we're 738 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 3: still in the draft space and we get time to 739 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 3: get to those guys. It was fun for me just 740 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 3: to like, oh, I can just kind of take it 741 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 3: all in and just watch the game. 742 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 2: It's kind of fun. No, it's fun. 743 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 4: And if you are a football fan, and we are 744 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 4: noted football, He's like, there's so much diversity within the 745 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,719 Speaker 4: game in terms of, particularly on Saturdays, style of play, 746 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 4: how people go about playing offense and defense, the type 747 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 4: of players that are playing quarterback position, those things. I'm 748 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 4: just fascinated by the many different ways that people are 749 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 4: able to win games. And same thing is like on Sundays, 750 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 4: because he talked about like Sunday Funday, like when you 751 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 4: aren't affiliated and you can just watch the games from 752 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 4: six thirty am. 753 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 2: On the West Coast all the way to night. 754 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 4: It's just fun watching the game without having to have 755 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 4: something hanging on it, hanging in the balance on whether 756 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 4: the outcome goes your way or not. 757 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 3: Man, No, doubt well again, thanks to Tom Teleusko for 758 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 3: joining us. We'll have him on here as we come 759 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 3: down the home stretch of the season and head towards 760 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 3: the offseason as well. 761 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 2: That's going to do it for us. We appreciate you guys. 762 00:31:48,720 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 3: We'll see you next time, right here on both the sticks.