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Speaker 2: It's not me anymore.
Speaker 3: Whoever Lizzo is to the world is not really even me,
Speaker 3: and that disconnect is depressing.
Speaker 1: The Grammy goes too, Lizar, what's making you feel like
Speaker 1: now is the right time. It's giving you the confidence
Speaker 1: and courage to feel that way.
Speaker 3: I think what I learned about fame is even if
Speaker 3: that's really me, it just becomes kind of like character.
Speaker 3: It's a brand that now doesn't belong to you anymore.
Speaker 3: There was a huge scandal. I was dealing with a lot.
Speaker 1: Just don't love me back.
Speaker 3: I have my first panic attack ever, and I had
Speaker 3: this thought. I was just like, you want to die, Okay,
Speaker 3: We'll just die like nobody will care.
Speaker 1: I think it's so hard when the things that you
Speaker 1: stand for are the same things that you're being scrutinized for.
Speaker 3: So when I pop out on a red carpet, or
Speaker 3: when a video suddenly goes viral and my body's different,
Speaker 3: it appears like it was overnight.
Speaker 2: The weight that is no longer on me is not
Speaker 2: just fat or physical.
Speaker 3: I released so much to get to this point, and
Speaker 3: to be honest with you, I don't feel like I've
Speaker 3: expressed myself fully in the last two years.
Speaker 1: Number one health and Wellness podcast, Jay said Jay Sheddy only,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Lizzo, it is so great to have
Speaker 1: you here. I have been wanting to do this for years,
Speaker 1: with such huge fans here. And the last time I
Speaker 1: saw you, you were performing live at Cannes Lions. You
Speaker 1: were on stage for the iHeart Festival. I was out
Speaker 1: there and I'd been told that I had two front
Speaker 1: row seats reserved so that I could hear you. Now
Speaker 1: What happened is I came into the event, I got
Speaker 1: into a few conversations. My podcast producer, who's in the
Speaker 1: back right now, was meant to take me to this seat.
Speaker 1: She's such a big fan that she forgot to take
Speaker 1: me to this seat. So by the time I wanted
Speaker 1: to make it to this seat, the whole crowd was covered.
Speaker 1: She was dancing in the front row, she claimed. She
Speaker 1: claims you said to her that you were really proud
Speaker 1: of her dancing skills, or shouted something out at her
Speaker 1: in a really cool way. I'll have to verify what
Speaker 1: it was. But I didn't get to be front row,
Speaker 1: so I was sitting at the back, enjoying your music
Speaker 1: from the back.
Speaker 3: Frondaby, I know.
Speaker 1: How lucky am I, but no, honestly, we're such big
Speaker 1: fans here, and like I said, we've been looking forward
Speaker 1: to this, and even the first few seconds, we've just
Speaker 1: been powowing and going back and forth.
Speaker 2: It's been awesome chatting it up, honey, I love it
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 1: Well, I want to ask you. I saw that video
Speaker 1: on your Instagram. You were standing in a sound bowl.
Speaker 1: I have not been to that class yet. I have
Speaker 1: not seen that before, So what am I doing wrong?
Speaker 3: Well, you don't have my mama and my sister, because
Speaker 3: that was a Christmas gift from them. I remember on
Speaker 3: Christmas Day they got me this. It was like a
Speaker 3: huge thing that they dragged in. It was wrapped and
Speaker 3: I was like, what could y'all have possibly.
Speaker 2: Gotten me in this?
Speaker 3: Hue the We're so excited. And I unwrapped it and
Speaker 3: I was like, what is this like a water bowl?
Speaker 3: And they're like no, And I saw the footprint. There's feet,
Speaker 3: like footprint, big feet prints in it and they're like,
Speaker 3: you stand in it and I was like and then
Speaker 3: what and it's like and then you sound bath and
Speaker 3: I was like this is actually wild and so I
Speaker 3: was having like a really emotional day.
Speaker 2: I was like I was very close to crash out.
Speaker 3: I dragged it outside, took my shoes off, put my
Speaker 3: feet in the earth for a second, stood in it
Speaker 3: and just rang it.
Speaker 2: And I was like, I still don't feel better. I
Speaker 2: thought I fell better and then I hit it.
Speaker 3: I kept hitting it and I was like, oh, this
Speaker 3: is kind of fun and it yeah, changed my day.
Speaker 3: Brought out my other bowls and I sat and I
Speaker 3: just hummed and played them and it literally.
Speaker 2: Changed my day and I was actually I was pessimistic
Speaker 2: about it. I was like, this is not going to work.
Speaker 1: And that was the first time we tested it out.
Speaker 3: I was the first time I tested though since Christmas.
Speaker 3: I tested the big one out.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: I was shocked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I've never seen one with footprints, like, I've
Speaker 1: never seen one that you stand in. I've seen ones
Speaker 1: that you lie down and they play them at your head,
Speaker 1: or sometimes they come and pro a crystal on your
Speaker 1: chest like I've been in those, and I loved them.
Speaker 1: We actually did one with my team. We do a
Speaker 1: team retreat every year, and we did one last year,
Speaker 1: but we did it outdoors and we had this amazing
Speaker 1: sound healer come and lead it. And when we woke up,
Speaker 1: we all could see like shooting stars, Now what is
Speaker 1: going on? And then we realized it was neuralink. It
Speaker 1: was Ela Musk's like, yeah, it's just this thing whatever
Speaker 1: it is, I can't remember it's called. But we all
Speaker 1: woke up thinking like we could see something magical. But
Speaker 1: it is such an amazing experience to have sound heal
Speaker 1: you and that frequency. Did it finally work when you
Speaker 1: were standing in it?
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, if my ankles started itching and I was like,
Speaker 3: what's going on for Like, ants were calling on my
Speaker 3: ankles and I kept scratching at him and I was like, Oh,
Speaker 3: that's it's waking.
Speaker 2: It's wake, it's awakening me.
Speaker 3: It's so funny because I host these I call them
Speaker 3: ass rams once a year, so it's like these little
Speaker 3: retreats that I do for all of the black women
Speaker 3: in my life that I love and I care about,
Speaker 3: and it's it's like an emotional and spiritual reset. And
Speaker 3: we do sound baths in the morning, and we do
Speaker 3: sound baths at night. And this one time I was
Speaker 3: laying there and I like allowed myself to really just
Speaker 3: like go, and it was so trippy. We all saw
Speaker 3: the same thing. I was like, because she was asking everyone.
Speaker 3: They were like, yeah, I saw like pink and purple,
Speaker 3: and it was like, yeah, I saw pink and purple.
Speaker 3: And it was like and I saw a galaxy and
Speaker 3: was like, I saw a galaxy. So we all kind
Speaker 3: of like it's real, Like it I have I have
Speaker 3: too much proof that there's something else going on out here,
Speaker 3: and it's all kind of guided by vibration.
Speaker 1: It's all led by vibration, absolutely, and on our very
Speaker 1: very base level. If someone hasn't tried it out, A,
Speaker 1: they should try it out, and B. It's like we
Speaker 1: all know that sound makes us feel a certain way.
Speaker 1: There's songs from your past that make you feel nostalgic.
Speaker 1: There's music that can make you cry instantly. There's sounds
Speaker 1: that make you feel thoughtful and reflective. We all now
Speaker 1: work to low fi beats or whatever it is on
Speaker 1: YouTube playlist, and there's a sense that sound and frequency
Speaker 1: has an impact on us, and this is just taking
Speaker 1: it to another level.
Speaker 3: So the way I like to describe it because I'm
Speaker 3: very like science in woo woo.
Speaker 1: Yes like me too.
Speaker 3: I'm a tourist, so you know, I need like the
Speaker 3: grounding of it. We're constantly vibrating. I think when people
Speaker 3: hear vibration they think like, okay, girl, like, oh, we're
Speaker 3: on a vibe.
Speaker 2: I'm like, no.
Speaker 3: You know, your heart is beating constantly, your blood is
Speaker 3: coursing through your veins, and you're like made mostly of water,
Speaker 3: So when your heart is beating, it's sending a vibration
Speaker 3: through your entire body. Like if you sit still enough,
Speaker 3: you can feel like the vibration. So it's like everything
Speaker 3: is constantly vibrating, and you can vibrate high and you
Speaker 3: can vibrate lo and you actually have the power to
Speaker 3: control that.
Speaker 2: And once I learned that, I was.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, it's like a cheat code to life, to existing.
Speaker 1: So well said, I love that, and did the playing
Speaker 1: of the sound bows come naturally to you?
Speaker 2: I can play anything.
Speaker 3: I found that, like, I can like if I lick
Speaker 3: my finger and I have a crystal glass, I can
Speaker 3: make a sound. I think that's just one of one
Speaker 3: of my gifts is that. Like when I was a kid,
Speaker 3: I played recorder, and then I played flute, and then
Speaker 3: I played piccolo, and then I can play clarinet, and
Speaker 3: I can play piano, and now I play guitar. So
Speaker 3: I think with sound bows, I think I just am
Speaker 3: an instrumentalist and it's an instrument. Give me an instrument,
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna make a beautiful sound.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's impressive because it's not easy to do. It's
Speaker 1: pretty challenging. So that's awesome. I'm the guy who can't
Speaker 1: even whistle learn Like.
Speaker 2: Wait, so you can't do the ball Oh no, no.
Speaker 1: No, it's hard. It's hard. My wife's a bit better
Speaker 1: than me. We have we have a few beautiful ones
Speaker 1: at home, but it's hard.
Speaker 3: Oh, I can really make them sing to where your
Speaker 3: ears start to It gets like really loud in your
Speaker 3: ears and you're.
Speaker 2: Like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Is somebody in there
Speaker 2: with like a bowl in my head? That's how it's
Speaker 2: started to feel.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I need to come to you one of yours.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 2: We're going to open up as story. I'm to everybody
Speaker 2: very soon.
Speaker 1: I love it. That's so fun. And Liza, I know
Speaker 1: you're you're huge into astrology, right, Like that's something that
Speaker 1: you're really passionate about. I was wonderings, have you ever
Speaker 1: had a conversation with an astrologist that that really changed
Speaker 1: your life? Something they said that just shifted everything.
Speaker 3: Yes, Channey Nicholas is my like astrologer, and so like
Speaker 3: every eclipse season I'm texting her. I'm like, Hey, happier
Speaker 3: clip season, what's happening. But when I so, I've I've
Speaker 3: had a knowledge of my sign ever since I was
Speaker 3: a little kid. Like, so, I was super into crystals
Speaker 3: and like, oh, I'm a tourist and like my dad's
Speaker 3: a Libra, my mom's aver and like compatibility. But then
Speaker 3: as I got older, when I met Channey Nicholas, she
Speaker 3: taught me about the chart and how like you're more
Speaker 3: than just your son's sign and how you're Big three,
Speaker 3: but it's like you're more than your Big three too.
Speaker 2: You've got these like asteroids that go through and you've
Speaker 2: got these.
Speaker 3: Like you've got the rock, You've got everything, Your your
Speaker 3: venus matters, your mercury matters. You're that really reframed how
Speaker 3: I think of myself, because it kind of opened me
Speaker 3: up to being like, oh, I'm the universe, like I
Speaker 3: contain multitudes. Like if I see a tourist trade that
Speaker 3: doesn't resonate with me, is there a Gemini trait that
Speaker 3: resonates with me? Is there a Virgo trait that resonates
Speaker 3: with me? And I think the most impactful thing I
Speaker 3: learned from her lately is that we have like house years,
Speaker 3: and so twenty twenty three, I was in a twelfth
Speaker 3: house year and that's the year of hidden Enemies, that's
Speaker 3: the year of shadow work. And once she told me that,
Speaker 3: it like really unlocked for me because I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: that makes sense, and then she was like, you're going
Speaker 3: into a first house year. So I've been in a
Speaker 3: first house year since April twenty twenty four, and now
Speaker 3: my birthday's coming up in April twenty twenty five, and
Speaker 3: I have taken advantage of this first house year because
Speaker 3: I'm a Leo rising and my first house is all
Speaker 3: about self and how I present.
Speaker 2: So I was just like, I'm gonna go in.
Speaker 3: Like everything is routined, everything is like the practice. I'm
Speaker 3: just like am so deep into my practice and like
Speaker 3: loving on myself and rediscovering and redefining who I am.
Speaker 3: And now when i move into my second house year,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take advantage of that too.
Speaker 1: What's different about the second house here that you move into.
Speaker 3: So it's gonna be Virgo, which is my moon. And
Speaker 3: actually it's these practices that I've been doing on an
Speaker 3: external level, how I like make them internal, you know,
Speaker 3: how I reframe my membrane and rework the nuts and
Speaker 3: bolts in my brain and like make it like my life.
Speaker 3: Like right now, it's a routine, but I'm gonna make
Speaker 3: it a lifestyle. I'm going to get really cerebral with
Speaker 3: my Virgo moon, and I'm gonna get really meticulous and
Speaker 3: I'm going to get really in the paint, like heartworking,
Speaker 3: because that's what that virgo is. That virgo allows me
Speaker 3: to like work my ass off, and that's where I
Speaker 3: really shine and that's where I'm really the most happy.
Speaker 2: That's when I'm working.
Speaker 1: Honestly, Yeah, I'm a virgo. So yeah, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: was like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're related a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. I love that and I love how you're
Speaker 1: describing it. It sounds like you're a phenomenal astrologer because I
Speaker 1: feel like there's such a deep way of knowing how
Speaker 1: to use it right. It's not just something that I
Speaker 1: think for all of us who've been exposed to astrology
Speaker 1: since we were young, it was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: it knows me, it's predicting, it's it's this, it's compatibility.
Speaker 1: But it's so much more. It's like, how are you
Speaker 1: using it for personal growth and self growth? Like how
Speaker 1: do you how do you use that as Okay, this
Speaker 1: is what I'm going to focus on.
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I used to be like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's what I am and that's why.
Speaker 2: But it's not like, oh I I am a tourist.
Speaker 3: It's I have tourists, which I think gives it a
Speaker 3: little bit more purposefulness, and it makes it a tool.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, how can I use my Leo rising
Speaker 3: right now, big hair, big personality, big identity, big bold expression,
Speaker 3: color fire. How can I use this fire right now?
Speaker 3: Because that's what I have right now? And then when
Speaker 3: I'm in Virgo? How do I use this earth? How
Speaker 3: do I use this knowledge? How do I use this
Speaker 3: this quest for knowledge, this hard workingness, this steadfastedness.
Speaker 2: How do I use that?
Speaker 3: How do I use the private parts of myself and
Speaker 3: protect the private parts of myself? I think that is
Speaker 3: how astrology has been very helpful to me, because it's
Speaker 3: not just like what I am. I don't just like
Speaker 3: settle for it. I'm like like, oh, well, that's why.
Speaker 3: Because they are Scorpio.
Speaker 2: That's why I know.
Speaker 3: It's like they have Scorpio and that's what they're choosing
Speaker 3: to do with it. I have tourists, and what I'm
Speaker 3: choosing to do with it is be ruled by Venus.
Speaker 2: I want to be all things.
Speaker 3: Beauty and love, you know what I mean, with a
Speaker 3: little bit of sprinkle of hard work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, gluttony, little gluttony.
Speaker 1: I love that. I love the way you're talking about astrology,
Speaker 1: it's so refreshing because obviously you're so deep into it.
Speaker 1: And I think that's and it sounds like that's similar
Speaker 1: to why you a last year you said I'm taking
Speaker 1: a gap, I'm gonna protect my peace. Was that part
Speaker 1: of it? To know that you're in that house here,
Speaker 1: like that was giving you that sense as well.
Speaker 3: Man, Once I learned what a twelfth house year is,
Speaker 3: it did kind of make sense, you know, because I'll
Speaker 3: fight against closing up and isolating.
Speaker 2: I'll fight against it.
Speaker 3: Because it was like a toxic trait that I had
Speaker 3: when I was younger, Like I would get in mind.
Speaker 3: You already told you I've been crying a lot lately,
Speaker 3: So if I cry, it's not because I'm sad.
Speaker 2: I just am real sensitive lately and googly.
Speaker 3: I But when I was younger, instead of expressing myself,
Speaker 3: I would lock up and get really quiet and shut
Speaker 3: down and just like hold it all in. And I
Speaker 3: went to a point where I didn't speak for like
Speaker 3: a whole summer. And when I was younger, I didn't
Speaker 3: talk to anyone. I didn't talk out loud. The only
Speaker 3: time I used my voice was at night and I
Speaker 3: would sing to myself and that was it. So I
Speaker 3: thought that that was a really toxic trait. And I
Speaker 3: have been working on expressing myself. So when you see
Speaker 3: me online, that's a form of expression for me that
Speaker 3: I've worked to get to. When I talk to the
Speaker 3: people who I work with, that's a form of expression
Speaker 3: that I worked really hard to get. When I express
Speaker 3: myself to my friends and my family and my loved ones,
Speaker 3: I've worked.
Speaker 2: Hard for this.
Speaker 3: So to be quiet was like, oh my gosh, I'm
Speaker 3: reverting back to a version of myself that.
Speaker 2: That I worked away from.
Speaker 3: But I think once I learned, like, hey girl, you
Speaker 3: don't always need to be you don't always need to talk.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you need to sit back and just be quiet
Speaker 3: and observe what's in front of you now and be present.
Speaker 3: Stop being in the future. Stop lamenting in the past.
Speaker 3: What's in front of you right now. And like when
Speaker 3: I said I was on a gap year, I was
Speaker 3: in the middle of it, and I think people were like, oh,
Speaker 3: she's about to take a whole year off. I'm like, no,
Speaker 3: I was just in the middle of it. I just
Speaker 3: hadn't like expressed myself really and.
Speaker 2: To be honest with you.
Speaker 3: I don't feel like I've expressed myself fully in the
Speaker 3: last two years, like how I want to. I feel
Speaker 3: like I've been kind of holding my tongue and like
Speaker 3: staying to myself.
Speaker 2: But I think that it's.
Speaker 3: For the best, because, you know, running your mouth these
Speaker 3: days sometimes it's just unnecessary, and sometimes it can get
Speaker 3: you into some stuff you wasn't even trying to get
Speaker 3: into because people will misinterpret it and run with it,
Speaker 3: as I found when I was like, I'm taking a
Speaker 3: gap year, I'm protecting my peace, but like people were like, wait,
Speaker 3: so what's that supposed to me? And I'm like, oh, oops,
Speaker 3: I just I just I just wanted to let you
Speaker 3: guys know where I'm at right now. I'm in Bali
Speaker 3: and I'm having a good time, and I'm just like quiet, Oops,
Speaker 3: maybe I should have stayed quiet.
Speaker 1: That's the funny thing, right, Even when you announce that
Speaker 1: you're gonna go quiet, and it's like it's hard, it's
Speaker 1: hard to figure it out. When when do you feel
Speaker 1: it almost seems like you feel more comfortable now, like
Speaker 1: being stepping your toe back in, wanting to show more
Speaker 1: of yourself, wanting to be that way what's making you
Speaker 1: feel like now is the right time, and what's giving
Speaker 1: you the confidence and courage to feel that way.
Speaker 3: What I feel like people don't know is when you
Speaker 3: are a music artist, you are either on cycle or
Speaker 3: off cycle for an album. I think nowadays there's so
Speaker 3: much fast turned around with music, and there's like the
Speaker 3: deluxe of an album is kind of like an industry
Speaker 3: standard that I think we've forgotten, like what it means
Speaker 3: to be on cycle and off cycle because everyone's always
Speaker 3: on I had planned on being off cycle. That means
Speaker 3: you're not in the media, you're not doing interviews, your
Speaker 3: album cycle is done. Like you're not going to be
Speaker 3: played on the radio as much because people aren't working
Speaker 3: your records. You're not going to be promoting anything because
Speaker 3: you're working on the next album. So you can be
Speaker 3: on cycle and you can be back in the media.
Speaker 3: I'm back in the press and back on tour, and
Speaker 3: I think like the best, most simplest answer as to
Speaker 3: why I'm back now is because my album's done. Like
Speaker 3: it really, this is my job, you know, I am
Speaker 3: a musical artist. I make studio albums, I put them out,
Speaker 3: I promote them, I tour them and I do it
Speaker 3: because I'm really good at music and I really want
Speaker 3: to help people with music, because I know that music
Speaker 3: has saved my life, so I know it can save
Speaker 3: someone else's life, you know what I mean. And I
Speaker 3: think that's like the most simple answer. But I think
Speaker 3: it's loaded this time because at the exact same time,
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm going on a vacation, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: be in Japan. I'm gonna go to Kyoto and be
Speaker 3: in the woods and like disappear. I also had a
Speaker 3: huge scandal come out, and I think that it looked
Speaker 3: like I was shut down or silenced or hiding, when
Speaker 3: really it was like, but it's just the end of
Speaker 3: my album cycle, and this was planned. So I think
Speaker 3: this album cycle, I'm gonna have to do a lot
Speaker 3: of work that I'm cool with expressing that and explaining that,
Speaker 3: because I don't think people knew or know the difference
Speaker 3: between me being like, oh, I'm off cycle, I'm in Japan,
Speaker 3: I'm in the woods and I'm meditating, and oh, this
Speaker 3: scandal just happened.
Speaker 2: Where's Lizo, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So I'm aware of that, cognizant of it, and I'm
Speaker 3: up for the challenge of explaining this to the people
Speaker 3: who care about me, because they deserve to know honestly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's first of all, I think it's
Speaker 1: always an education learning about how a business works. And
Speaker 1: I think if you're not in the business, you don't
Speaker 1: really get it. And I think that's true for any
Speaker 1: career whatsoever, especially careers in the public eye. Right you're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: where did that person go? And it's like, well, the
Speaker 1: way you launch music is you need time to make music, yes,
Speaker 1: and it takes so much time, and it's very visible
Speaker 1: because music's the biggest thing in the world. So you
Speaker 1: see someone for a few months and then you don't
Speaker 1: see them again when they're working on it. So you're
Speaker 1: saying that not only were you meditating, you were traveling,
Speaker 1: you were actually working on new music. Yes, So when
Speaker 1: you said I was protecting my piece, I was taking
Speaker 1: a break for the last year. You were working on music.
Speaker 1: That's what we're hearing now.
Speaker 2: Baby.
Speaker 3: When I the last day on my tour was in Tokyo.
Speaker 3: I spent a whole month in Tokyo and Kyoto. It
Speaker 3: was my first time in Japan. It was my dream place.
Speaker 3: I always wanted to go to South a little girl
Speaker 3: watching anime. I took that time. I stepped foot back
Speaker 3: into America and I walked into the studio. I've been
Speaker 3: in the studio since October twenty twenty three, and I
Speaker 3: think I finished my last studio session for Love and
Speaker 3: Real Life last week when I mastered it. I've been
Speaker 3: working constantly this whole time. I didn't take no time off.
Speaker 2: I couldn't. I really honestly couldn't.
Speaker 3: I took that little time in Japan that I allowed
Speaker 3: it for myself, and I got in the kitchen and
Speaker 3: I rolled my sleeves up because I knew I was
Speaker 3: gonna have to do my biggest one, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the new music's great.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome. And I feel like, I mean, even
Speaker 1: when you quote it Love and Real Life, I feel like,
Speaker 1: how much of that was inspired by what you passed me,
Speaker 1: you had to go through and the challenges? Well, how
Speaker 1: much was that was just pulling from other parts of
Speaker 1: your life? Was it disconnected or was it connected.
Speaker 3: Everything that I do I pull from the strife and
Speaker 3: the grief that happens to me because the joy that
Speaker 3: I find eventually, I think is the helpful part. I've
Speaker 3: never named an album before writing a song before, like well,
Speaker 3: because I love You, I wrote because I Love You.
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, this sound like the thesis of
Speaker 3: the album. Okay, we're gonna call this album because I
Speaker 3: Love You. I wrote Special, and I was like, this
Speaker 3: sounds like the heart of the album. I'm a name
Speaker 3: of this album special when I say, I've had the
Speaker 3: name Love and Row Life since September October twenty twenty three,
Speaker 3: and I didn't write the record Love and Real Life
Speaker 3: until maybe like February twenty twenty four, because I had
Speaker 3: a very specific experience and I'd love to share it.
Speaker 3: I want to talk about it as much as I can.
Speaker 3: And I never like repeating stories because I just feel
Speaker 3: like every different and I'm like, let me give you
Speaker 3: something different. But this story was so life saved, like
Speaker 3: life changing. I told you, Like when I was in Japan,
Speaker 3: you know I was doing the best I can, but
Speaker 3: you know there was a huge scandal.
Speaker 2: I was dealing with a lot.
Speaker 3: When I touched down in Los Angeles, it didn't hit
Speaker 3: me how deeply affected I was because I had been
Speaker 3: trying to be happy for everyone else. I had had
Speaker 3: my best friend was there with her kids, and I
Speaker 3: was trying to be happy for everybody. I was like,
Speaker 3: and I'm in Japan, I should be happy, So I like,
Speaker 3: I was like, be happy. I got in La, I
Speaker 3: had my first panic attack ever. I was in the
Speaker 3: car coming home from the airport and I like, I
Speaker 3: was like, somethings wrong on my chest and I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: and I've dealt with anxiety for years, but this felt different.
Speaker 3: And I was like, Okay, some going on my chest
Speaker 3: and I was like, okay, do your anxiety protocol. An
Speaker 3: anxiety protocol wasn't working, like breathing and circular breath, and
Speaker 3: I was like, no, something is pressing on my chest.
Speaker 3: And I had this thought. I was just like, everybody
Speaker 3: hates me. Everybody hates me for something that isn't true.
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, because of the
Speaker 3: position I'm in, everybody hates me and there's nothing you
Speaker 3: can do about it. And I was like, Okay. I
Speaker 3: got into the house. I could barely walk and I
Speaker 3: like collapsed by my bed and was like, oh shit,
Speaker 3: I couldn't breathe. And I was like, and I was
Speaker 3: by the bed and I couldn't breathe. And something was
Speaker 3: pressing on my chest. And from then on I had
Speaker 3: been in a state of depression because I didn't know
Speaker 3: how to fix it.
Speaker 2: I was so and I'm not trying to make nobody
Speaker 2: feel bad for.
Speaker 3: Me, but man, whoo, baby, I was dark and I
Speaker 3: was scared of people. I was like, I was like,
Speaker 3: you can't trust anyone, you can't love anyone. I don't
Speaker 3: want to talk to nobody, you know, because there was
Speaker 3: like a lot going on where like people were getting
Speaker 3: weird phone calls from people and it was like weird
Speaker 3: like stuff going on that I had never experienced before.
Speaker 2: Because I was like this, this is wild.
Speaker 3: This is a whole other level of what i've my
Speaker 3: job that I've never experienced. And so I was scared
Speaker 3: and I was like, I'm gonna go to this concert
Speaker 3: because I really wanted to go to the concert, and
Speaker 3: I was like terrified to go. I was like, I know,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna walk out and somebody's gonna look at me
Speaker 3: and be like and you know, I was just like
Speaker 3: and there's nothing you can do about it. But I
Speaker 3: went anyway, and man, when I say it was the opposite.
Speaker 3: I walked out and I just seen so many people
Speaker 3: look at me and they.
Speaker 1: Were like.
Speaker 2: Lizzo. They were like, oh my god, they were come
Speaker 2: be here. I love you, I love you.
Speaker 3: And it was just people in the crowd and I
Speaker 3: was hugging them and they was hugging me, and I'm
Speaker 3: telling you like people were They were like yes, yes,
Speaker 3: they were just like it felt like me cheering me
Speaker 3: on being like, you did it. You know, you got
Speaker 3: over your fear, you got outside. You can trust people again,
Speaker 3: you can love people. People do love you. You're okay,
Speaker 3: and you know what, there's something you can do about it.
Speaker 2: And you did it.
Speaker 3: You stepped outside. And I was like, this is the
Speaker 3: this is the only thing that's real. You can't get
Speaker 3: this kind of love on the internet.
Speaker 2: You can't. You absolutely can't. And I thought I could.
Speaker 3: For years, years because I built my platform on the
Speaker 3: validation of sharing myself and being myself with the Internet
Speaker 3: and being embraced and being shown love.
Speaker 2: And I was like, this is love. No love is
Speaker 2: in real life.
Speaker 3: And I felt it from not I won't even say
Speaker 3: they're fans of my music, just people. Oh.
Speaker 2: It was the most life saving thing.
Speaker 3: And I was like, I have to name my album
Speaker 3: love in real life, because I know I'm not the
Speaker 3: only person. I know, I'm not the only person who
Speaker 3: sits on their phone and creates a version of themselves
Speaker 3: or is told by the world who they are and
Speaker 3: starts to believe it, even if it's not really who
Speaker 3: you are. You're like, huh, maybe I am not good enough,
Speaker 3: maybe I'm not pretty, maybe I'm not cool.
Speaker 2: Maybe, and it's like, no, this is a lie.
Speaker 3: This may be a reflection of some things, and some
Speaker 3: real things do happen on here.
Speaker 2: And I love the Internet. I'm a child of the Internet.
Speaker 3: Like, I get down with social media, but I also
Speaker 3: know that if your only sense of self, your only
Speaker 3: form of validation is coming from social media or coming
Speaker 3: from your phone, or coming from a text back or
Speaker 3: coming from a dating app, it's not going to fill
Speaker 3: you up like being in the real world and building
Speaker 3: community with people and getting over your fear of it
Speaker 3: because it is scary. Yeah, And so I've held that title.
Speaker 3: And I was like, I wrote like four love in
Speaker 3: real lives until I finally settled on the party stadium version.
Speaker 2: I said, why is this? What's so lit?
Speaker 3: Like I wrote these deep emotional ones and then I
Speaker 3: wrote this one and I was like, well, that's lizo,
Speaker 3: And I think that is when I just when I
Speaker 3: just realized, Oh, this is who I am. I go
Speaker 3: through this really really tough shit, man, and it's fine
Speaker 3: because I have learned to use my alchemy and turn
Speaker 3: it into gold and turn it into meaningfulness and like
Speaker 3: acts of rebellious joy that people can use in the world.
Speaker 2: And I'm cool with it. That's my mission.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. I love that. One of the
Speaker 1: things that I think you talked about there, which is
Speaker 1: so powerful, is you go through something really difficult. On
Speaker 1: the other side of it, there's this love in real life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but in between, there's the depression, the darkness, the isolation,
Speaker 1: the worry, the fear, and we all go through that.
Speaker 1: We all experience at some point in our life. We're
Speaker 1: almost feeling like we have to hide. We feel like
Speaker 1: you said, I don't know who to trust to to love?
Speaker 1: Will people accept me? How did you go through that?
Speaker 1: Like what was that timeline? Like? Like what did it
Speaker 1: look like when you woke up? What did you do
Speaker 1: that helped? What did you who support? How did it
Speaker 1: look man? Because that's hard.
Speaker 3: I inadvertently set a lot of boundaries at that time,
Speaker 3: and there was more like defenses because I was so
Speaker 3: afraid of people that even the people that I was
Speaker 3: close to, I just I set up these boundaries and
Speaker 3: I disappeared into myself. I'm not even gonna sit up
Speaker 3: here and lie and be like I handled it perfectly.
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't. It was very messy, and.
Speaker 3: I was hurt by people that I loved, and I
Speaker 3: hurt people that I loved at the time. This is
Speaker 3: and I'm talking about the depression period. I'm not talking
Speaker 3: about me as a boss. I'm not talking about work. No,
Speaker 3: I'm talking about October twenty twenty three to now. And
Speaker 3: I fought really, really hard for myself, and sometimes when
Speaker 3: you fight, it get real messy. I was scrapping. I
Speaker 3: was fighting for my life. There was times when it
Speaker 3: was like you want to die, okay, well just die
Speaker 3: like nobody will care. And I was like, oh, I'm
Speaker 3: talking to myself like that. When did this happen. I'm like,
Speaker 3: love yourself. I'm like stay positive. I'm like, no, you
Speaker 3: have to live. You have to live for your mommy,
Speaker 3: you have to live for the And it was like, no, bitch,
Speaker 3: you want to die and die like this is the
Speaker 3: time to do it because everyone to hate you and
Speaker 3: nobody cares. And I think that defensiveness isolated me really bad.
Speaker 3: But there's something about isolation that turns into solitude, that
Speaker 3: turns into introspection, that turns into I am sitting alone
Speaker 3: with myself and I can finally see her. I was
Speaker 3: covered up by so much that I couldn't see myself.
Speaker 3: I was I was blinded by you know, all these
Speaker 3: people in my space telling me who I am. I
Speaker 3: was blinded by my career, standing on stage and twenty
Speaker 3: thousand people saying.
Speaker 2: I love you, You're amazing. I'm like, okay, thank you. Like
Speaker 2: I got to.
Speaker 3: Push through, and I was never alone.
Speaker 2: I was never alone.
Speaker 3: Even when I was at home, I'd be like, you
Speaker 3: want to come over, Let me let me throw a
Speaker 3: let me throw something, let me throw a pool party,
Speaker 3: let me let me have people come over and drink wine.
Speaker 3: Like maybe it was a fear of being alone with myself,
Speaker 3: maybe it was a lack of self awareness. But in
Speaker 3: that isolation where I think my defensiveness had pushed off
Speaker 3: and pushed away the people I loved the most, I
Speaker 3: pushed them all away. I got to like sit with
Speaker 3: this person, and I saw the things that other people
Speaker 3: saw sometimes that aren't the coolest or the nicest or
Speaker 3: that I'm the most proud of. I'm like, you are,
Speaker 3: You're moody, you're uncomfortable. You forgot who you are, you
Speaker 3: forgot why you're here. And I think that during that time,
Speaker 3: I embraced.
Speaker 2: That part of myself. It's like, Okay, you're moody.
Speaker 3: Be in a mood, but what do you need to
Speaker 3: do to make yourself feel better in that mood? And
Speaker 3: what can you do to protect yourself in that mood
Speaker 3: and protect others?
Speaker 2: Sit by yourself, bitch.
Speaker 3: Read a book, learn how to finally consistently meditate, exercise,
Speaker 3: get some fresh air.
Speaker 2: Get in the sun. And it was like I forced
Speaker 2: myself to do that shit. That shit is not easy.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to an exercise at first, hell n
Speaker 3: but I got one, got that cardio machine, and I
Speaker 3: was like, I never regret moving my body.
Speaker 2: I never regret it. I started.
Speaker 3: It's an anxiety technique. It's like you focus on your senses.
Speaker 3: What can I smell? What can I taste? What can
Speaker 3: I see? What can I feel? And I started doing
Speaker 3: that not intentionally. I'm not a genius when it comes
Speaker 3: to this shit. I just started doing it. I was like,
Speaker 3: what are you eating? What are you putting in your body?
Speaker 3: You're putting things in your body that's making you sick.
Speaker 3: You know, what are you doing on a daily basis?
Speaker 3: Your bed riding? And that's fine sometimes, but also when
Speaker 3: you're always doing it, your body doesn't move. You know,
Speaker 3: what are you looking at? What are you watching on TV?
Speaker 3: I had to throw my phone away. I'm about to
Speaker 3: throw my phone away. I'm like, oh god, it writes itself.
Speaker 3: I threw my phone away. I did not look at it.
Speaker 3: I told my team, I said anything I need to post,
Speaker 3: or anything I want to post, you post it for me.
Speaker 2: I don't want to look at that shit no more.
Speaker 2: And it was hard too because.
Speaker 3: I love the Internet, but it's doing a lot of
Speaker 3: things that are hard to finally be like, this is
Speaker 3: who I am and I need to become I need
Speaker 3: to love her and I need to make her the
Speaker 3: best version of myself because guess what, even after all
Speaker 3: this shit, even after looking at this aspect of myself
Speaker 3: that I was like, Wow, that's not my favorite part
Speaker 3: of myself. You know, after all the things I've been
Speaker 3: through all the relationships that have come and gone in
Speaker 3: my life, I still deserve it, I really do.
Speaker 1: And it's all that her And it's all.
Speaker 2: I mother got. I'm sorry for cussing, It's all I got.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Because what.
Speaker 3: Are you gonna sit up and you're gonna beat yourself
Speaker 3: up for the rest of your life about anything that
Speaker 3: could have happened, or any misunderstanding or any you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Well, you're gonna have a miserable life.
Speaker 3: Do you want a miserable life? I sat and I
Speaker 3: had to ask myself that. I'm like, do you want
Speaker 3: to be miserable? Do you want to feel bad? Or
Speaker 3: do you want to get back to doing what you do?
Speaker 3: And I was like, damn it, I gotta do what
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 2: I got to.
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Speaker 1: such a need to disconnect from the outer noise to
Speaker 1: hear your inner voice. And so you can't really hear
Speaker 1: you inner voice unless the outer noise. And when you're
Speaker 1: talking about throwing your phone away and disconnecting, and sometimes
Speaker 1: when we're pushing away the outer noise, we might not
Speaker 1: do it in the most graceful way because we've realized
Speaker 1: that tension between like, oh, but I was used to
Speaker 1: that noise being my voice, yes, and now that noise
Speaker 1: isn't what I want to hear. And now I actually
Speaker 1: have to find my voice. Now I actually have to
Speaker 1: like discover it again. I have to like figure out
Speaker 1: what it's even saying and what it sounds like. Right,
Speaker 1: That's what you have to go through. That process. That's
Speaker 1: hard because it's such it can feel so lonely and
Speaker 1: it can feel so isolating. As you said, yeah, as
Speaker 1: you're dealing with that and you're kind of tipping your
Speaker 1: toe back into doing what you love and you go
Speaker 1: out and you have that moment that you said like
Speaker 1: love in real life, and I love the way you
Speaker 1: explained that. I'm glad you told that story. Yeah, when
Speaker 1: I hear you, I feel the same way. It's like,
Speaker 1: when you go out in the real world, people aren't
Speaker 1: shouting that stuff that they shout on the internet. No
Speaker 1: one's commenting the thing that you heard in the comment section.
Speaker 1: You're not hearing that. When you're out and about, you're
Speaker 1: seeing real people have real reactions and there's this look
Speaker 1: in their eyes that you all feel and the energy.
Speaker 1: How did it feel after that day? Was it from
Speaker 1: that day you were like, all right, now I feel
Speaker 1: more confident? Or do you still go back and forth sometimes?
Speaker 2: Hell no, I'm not even there now.
Speaker 3: Like even you being like, oh my gosh, my wife
Speaker 3: is such a huge fan and we wanted you on
Speaker 3: the show for a while.
Speaker 2: I was like, really, like.
Speaker 3: I truth, I don't believe it fully and I don't
Speaker 3: feel it fully, and I don't know what that is.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's from like, you know, I was like a
Speaker 3: kind of a nerdy kid in high school and or
Speaker 3: especially middle school, and I was like, you know, teased
Speaker 3: in middle school real bad, and like maybe it's that,
Speaker 3: Like I'm not cool mentality that like never goes away
Speaker 3: because those are such formative years. So please be nice
Speaker 3: to people in high school because it really shapes your
Speaker 3: whole life. It made me cool, it made me a diamond,
Speaker 3: but I still struggle with believing love and believing I
Speaker 3: am worthy of love, and believing that I am loved.
Speaker 3: I think that those are motifs that are definitely still
Speaker 3: difficult for me, and I can little tantrums about but
Speaker 3: I need.
Speaker 2: But that's on me.
Speaker 3: I need to sit back, like honestly putting it all
Speaker 3: out here. I be on the internet sometimes talking noise,
Speaker 3: and it's my insecurities, and I own that. I want
Speaker 3: to be more careful with that because of the position
Speaker 3: that I'm in now. You know the responsibility I have
Speaker 3: now in the state of the internet. Now, I can't
Speaker 3: just be projecting my insecurities on the internet. I think
Speaker 3: there is a more responsible way to do it, to
Speaker 3: where people understand me more and that people know where
Speaker 3: I'm coming from and I can make it more of
Speaker 3: a personal thing instead of these blanket statements. And because
Speaker 3: it sounds like it's coming from a place of anger,
Speaker 3: but it's really not.
Speaker 2: But it's just coming from these insecure moments that.
Speaker 3: I have sometimes where I feel like, man, I feel
Speaker 3: like misunderstood, and I feel like people don't get me,
Speaker 3: and I feel like people don't see me, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: how do I express myself in a way where you
Speaker 3: get me and you feel me and you see me,
Speaker 3: and like I want you to know, and I'm working
Speaker 3: on it.
Speaker 1: And before you would say it, and now you're reflecting, yes.
Speaker 2: Before I would say it.
Speaker 3: And when I say before, I mean, like a couple
Speaker 3: of weeks ago, I'm still man.
Speaker 2: I'm human, Man, I am I'm really in this thing,
Speaker 2: human flesh and blood.
Speaker 3: It's so wild, but like I think that I'm also
Speaker 3: human enough to admit where I could be better, And.
Speaker 2: Those are the places where I could be better.
Speaker 3: I was in that giant sound bowl banging that thing
Speaker 3: because it kept me from going on Twitch. It kept
Speaker 3: me from going on Blue Sky or going on you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, TikTok and just wow, because that's
Speaker 3: not the place for it anymore. I think there's enough
Speaker 3: going on in the world. There's enough to be outraged about,
Speaker 3: there's enough pain circulating on the internet. I don't need
Speaker 3: to share my pain. I need to share my joy.
Speaker 3: I need to share my love. I'm a very blessed person.
Speaker 3: I get to make music for a living. I have
Speaker 3: people who love me. I have people who've never met
Speaker 3: me who loved me because of the music that I make.
Speaker 3: And I get to travel all over the world and
Speaker 3: connect with those people and touch those people. I can
Speaker 3: support my family financially. As a fat black woman who
Speaker 3: was born in Detroit and raised in Houston, Texas. The
Speaker 3: odds were stacked against me, and I beat the odds
Speaker 3: and I'm here and I'm surviving and thriving in this world.
Speaker 3: I am grateful, and I think that my position is
Speaker 3: to always show that gratitude. I want to live in
Speaker 3: a constant state of gratitude and I want to and
Speaker 3: I want to emit that, you know, and I want
Speaker 3: to just really show the world love at all times.
Speaker 3: They don't need they don't need no more darkness. It's
Speaker 3: enough darkness in the world. They don't need to come
Speaker 3: from somebody like me. If I get insecure, sometimes call
Speaker 3: your mama.
Speaker 2: Call your mama.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like girl, So that's that's
Speaker 3: where I'm growing as a person. I'm and I'm proud
Speaker 3: of the person I'm becoming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Lizen, I was going to say, I think
Speaker 1: it's your music, but it's also because you mean something
Speaker 1: to people, you know, like you've done. When I think
Speaker 1: about my wife and what I was sharing with you earlier,
Speaker 1: it's because you mean something to have. When I was
Speaker 1: talking about Helene and my producers, because you mean something
Speaker 1: to Helen. I think you mean something to people. It's
Speaker 1: beyond just they love your music, for sure, but you
Speaker 1: mean something to people. And I think that that's why,
Speaker 1: like you said, when we were at school, it was
Speaker 1: all about whether you were cool, on whether you're a trendy,
Speaker 1: and whether you were you know, the girl or guy
Speaker 1: or whatever it was. But it's almost like it's even
Speaker 1: beyond that you mean something. It's beyond being cool and relevant.
Speaker 2: I think that's where like.
Speaker 3: A lot of my points of depression were coming from, because.
Speaker 2: I had been.
Speaker 3: So fearlessly myself for years. The person that you saw
Speaker 3: was the person that you got that was really me,
Speaker 3: and that is really me. The issues that I spoke about,
Speaker 3: I really care about the issues I stood up for.
Speaker 3: I really want to see change in it really matters
Speaker 3: to me. The platforms that I give people, that's real.
Speaker 2: All of that is real.
Speaker 3: And I think what I learned about fame is even
Speaker 3: if that's really me, it just becomes kind of like
Speaker 3: a fictional story that it's a character, it's a brand,
Speaker 3: it's a thing that now doesn't belong to you anymore.
Speaker 3: And when it got changed, that was what really my
Speaker 3: sense of self because I was like, well, now the
Speaker 3: person that you know the world is saying I am,
Speaker 3: that's not even me, and that's shadow work. I was like,
Speaker 3: that's like some shadow self that was created out of
Speaker 3: me not being precautious and careful and protecting myself. But
Speaker 3: I think that it really depresses me to feel like
Speaker 3: it's not me anymore. Whoever Lizzo is to the world
Speaker 3: is not really even me, and that disconnect is is depressing.
Speaker 3: And I think the only remedy to that is continuing
Speaker 3: to be myself. That's the only time. I just have
Speaker 3: to continue to be me and people will see me
Speaker 3: for who I am. But I think for a long
Speaker 3: time I was really depressed about like, oh damn, like
Speaker 3: now there's this like fake character.
Speaker 2: Now there's like.
Speaker 3: This like and and and you know, I can't blame
Speaker 3: or judge people for believing it, for believing that's who
Speaker 3: I am. I can't because I will be in the
Speaker 3: same position, you know. So I take the fact that
Speaker 3: I mean something to people very seriously. I take it
Speaker 3: to heart, and it's why I have moved the way
Speaker 3: that I have moved my entire career, and it's why
Speaker 3: I when I when when things happened, I would speak it,
Speaker 3: I would take accountability. It's why I did those things
Speaker 3: because I know that. And I think when it was
Speaker 3: out of my control and someone else could tell a
Speaker 3: story about me that wasn't true and people believed it,
Speaker 3: it crushed me. Because I know that I mean something
Speaker 3: to people, and it's why I'm careful to this day.
Speaker 3: I'm never gonna stop being care If anything, I'm more
Speaker 3: careful now. I can't just let any author into my
Speaker 3: life who can make.
Speaker 2: Me a villain.
Speaker 3: I can't do that anymore because I am the author,
Speaker 3: and I'm taking back my narrative by continuing to tell
Speaker 3: my story from me. And thank you for giving me
Speaker 3: the opportunity to do that.
Speaker 1: No, of course, I think I think everyone deserves that,
Speaker 1: you know, everyone needs that, and I think it's also
Speaker 1: hard when the things that you stand for are the
Speaker 1: same things that you're being scrutinized for, right, It's like
Speaker 1: that's that's what's so hard about it. It's like, when
Speaker 1: you stand for inclusivity and empowerment, being questioned for those
Speaker 1: same things is like so painful and it kind of
Speaker 1: like dismantles your whole identity, even for yourself. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I can imagine that's really hard, and that's why I
Speaker 1: think everyone needs an opportunity in a platform to be
Speaker 1: able to do that.
Speaker 2: But it feels like, strangely like.
Speaker 3: It's this thing now where it's like, Okay, if I
Speaker 3: stand up for inclusivity, it's invalidated. If I stand up
Speaker 3: for black women, it's invalidated. If I stand up for
Speaker 3: body positivity and fatness and stand it up against fat phobia,
Speaker 3: it's invalidated because of that. And I was like, wow,
Speaker 3: that's convenient, Like these are the things I truly believe,
Speaker 3: and I'm not about to just pick up some new
Speaker 3: causes because it's the thing to do. I was a
Speaker 3: political and very vocal activist artist before it was the trend,
Speaker 3: before teams were telling artists to speak up like I
Speaker 3: was just doing it because I wanted to.
Speaker 2: It's an uncomfortable position to be in right now.
Speaker 3: Because I also know I have a responsibility to, like
Speaker 3: I said, only bring love. And I think me speaking
Speaker 3: on certain things, or even if I feel like I'm
Speaker 3: advocating for something, it's kind of creating more hate and
Speaker 3: in chaos.
Speaker 2: Than what I intended. So it's just like, sometimes you
Speaker 2: just gotta shut that.
Speaker 1: And that's hard. And that's hard too because you really
Speaker 1: care about it, right, I think that's the challenge. It's
Speaker 1: like you keep doing something because you really care about it,
Speaker 1: that's why you started in the first place. But then
Speaker 1: sometimes you're like, well, maybe it would be smarter for me, yeah,
Speaker 1: to not comment on it. Yeah, because it's safer.
Speaker 2: And not just safer for me, but like safer for
Speaker 2: the public. You know.
Speaker 3: I don't want to create divisiveness. I really don't. There's
Speaker 3: enough discourse. There's enough division. And I think that like
Speaker 3: me doing something that I thought was like, you know,
Speaker 3: for a good cause or like from the goodness of
Speaker 3: my heart, if it's taken and creates negative discourse where
Speaker 3: people are going back and forth, I won't say nothing.
Speaker 3: I won't say nothing at all. Don't don't worry about me.
Speaker 3: You don't got to worry about me at all. Don't
Speaker 3: you worry, honey?
Speaker 1: And before you would have that wouldn't have been your
Speaker 1: real before.
Speaker 3: No, because I feel like there was no opposition. I
Speaker 3: feel like when I spoke up, the only opposition was
Speaker 3: the opposition to the cause. I think now when I
Speaker 3: speak up for something, there's opposition to me. It's like, ah,
Speaker 3: bad messenger, good right message, bad messenger. And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: you know what, valid, absolutely valid as a as a
Speaker 3: famous person or a celebrity right now, this is what
Speaker 3: I signed up for.
Speaker 2: And I and I'm like, so I'm not I'm not complaining.
Speaker 2: I can't complain.
Speaker 3: I'm do it like I'm gonna just be quiet because
Speaker 3: I understand that it's creating more confusion than solution, and
Speaker 3: I only want I'm a solutionary.
Speaker 2: I'm a solutionary. I like to bring solutions.
Speaker 3: I like to only speak up if I know it's
Speaker 3: gonna help in some way, and if it ain't helping,
Speaker 3: zip it, zip.
Speaker 1: It like that solutionary. Yeah, solution is not confusion. That
Speaker 1: is definitely. I like that. And that's a great way
Speaker 1: for all of us to think about stuff. In our
Speaker 1: own personal life, whether it's public or not. It's like,
Speaker 1: is me speaking creating more confusion or is it actually
Speaker 1: getting us more clarity? Is it actually pushing us in
Speaker 1: the right direction? Have you felt you were saying like,
Speaker 1: obviously when you go through something like this, you got
Speaker 1: to become more careful about you were saying you don't
Speaker 1: want someone else to become an author of your journey.
Speaker 1: It's like picking the people that are close to you
Speaker 1: becomes harder and harder and harder. Has has that been
Speaker 1: like a real focus for you in surrounding yourself with
Speaker 1: the right frequency and vibration And how do you do that?
Speaker 3: I don't have any new people in my life anymore,
Speaker 3: and I'm very careful about and honestly a lot of
Speaker 3: relationships that I had are gone. And it's not like bad.
Speaker 3: It's just like I just I stopped chasing.
Speaker 2: Because I how do I say this? How do I
Speaker 2: say this?
Speaker 3: I see the good in everyone, and I have seen
Speaker 3: the good and some really kind of like broken people
Speaker 3: who have been have done harmful things.
Speaker 2: But I always see the potential.
Speaker 3: I always see the good, and it's like it's like
Speaker 3: that inner child in me that's like oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: I can help them, like, but they are good, and
Speaker 3: I think that when they would do harmful things to me,
Speaker 3: I had a sense of forgiveness and understanding and I
Speaker 3: would be like, I know that's not you, and so
Speaker 3: I would chase and pursue that relationship. And I'm not
Speaker 3: talking about romance. I'm talking about people I worked with.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about friends who were also people I worked with.
Speaker 3: I was like, I was hiring my best friends, you know,
Speaker 3: and I would kind of see past it. And meanwhile,
Speaker 3: I was allowing something potentially nefarious or not good for
Speaker 3: me into my space. Right, So I realize, and I
Speaker 3: think people all over the world, if when you put
Speaker 3: up boundary that protects yourself and you stop chasing the
Speaker 3: people who continually hurt you, you'll find that pretty soon
Speaker 3: they'll be gone and you'll be like, wait a minute.
Speaker 2: I was keeping this afloat the whole time.
Speaker 3: It was me, And so when I isolated a lot
Speaker 3: of people just sailed away. And I opened my eyes
Speaker 3: and was like, who's left? And the people that are
Speaker 3: left are you know, my best friend who I've known
Speaker 3: since like fourth grade?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And I love her, and I cherish her my boyfriend,
Speaker 3: you know, and I'm just like, wow, this is cool.
Speaker 2: I don't need to.
Speaker 3: Pursue anything or anyone anymore.
Speaker 2: I'm full.
Speaker 3: And I think that comes from that isolation, and I
Speaker 3: think it comes from appreciating the people that you have
Speaker 3: and from like a business perspective, when you're friends with
Speaker 3: somebody and you hire them, it's just like it gets
Speaker 3: the power dynamic. It's up the relationship, it's up the
Speaker 3: social structure of the relationship, and it's something that you know,
Speaker 3: I wanted to do when I was younger. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: puts money in my friends pockets, like let's go, let's
Speaker 3: turn up, let's see the world, let's and it was,
Speaker 3: you know, something I loved. But then I also realize
Speaker 3: it's not fair to them to be their boss and
Speaker 3: their friend and that will help keep things just clean.
Speaker 3: I just want and like I said, simple solutions. I
Speaker 3: don't want no more confusion ever again. I want my
Speaker 3: friends to be my friends, and I want my employees
Speaker 3: to be my employees.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is so real, and I appreciate how like
Speaker 1: real you're being about it and how direct it is,
Speaker 1: because I do think that it's a it's glorified to
Speaker 1: be like we should be like a family and every
Speaker 1: should be really close. And I think that's like idealized.
Speaker 1: It's glorified, like that's what people talk about it. And
Speaker 1: I think recently a lot of people have been talking
Speaker 1: about how teams should not actually operate as families. They
Speaker 1: should operate as teams, like teams, like a sports team. Yes,
Speaker 1: there's a coach, there's players. The way they operate is
Speaker 1: like there's camaraderie, there's collaboration, but there's an energy of like, no,
Speaker 1: we're playing here to win. That's the goal of a
Speaker 1: team is to win. The goal of a family is
Speaker 1: not to win. The goal of a family to just
Speaker 1: be safe and wait a minute, but we're at work
Speaker 1: to win and do stuff. We have results and targets.
Speaker 1: Families don't have targets. Families don't have results. Families don't
Speaker 1: have goals. The goal of the family is just to
Speaker 1: stay together. And you can see how it plays on
Speaker 1: our minds. And I've had that too, Like I used
Speaker 1: to think that teams should be family too, and there's
Speaker 1: a family energy and I'm like that's great, but it's
Speaker 1: like there's just a different value system to a team
Speaker 1: and a family. And I think there's so much to
Speaker 1: be said for this that you only learn by going
Speaker 1: through it. You don't know this when you start, Like
Speaker 1: I think about how much I've had learn moving into
Speaker 1: this space for myself doing this for the last ten years.
Speaker 1: It's like I didn't know. I've never built a team before.
Speaker 1: And just because I'm good at one thing doesn't mean
Speaker 1: I know everything about everything. And I think there's a
Speaker 1: lot of pressure on artists, creators, musicians to know about
Speaker 1: everything when your talent is kind of like here right, yes,
Speaker 1: it's like your talent is music and creation, artistry and storytelling.
Speaker 3: And so you make everything music and creation and artistry
Speaker 3: and you're like, oh, this should be a creative space
Speaker 3: and this should be lax, and everyone's like, no, man,
Speaker 3: this is a well oiled machine. If Lizo is the brand,
Speaker 3: that's a company, you know what I mean. It's like
Speaker 3: everybody has their their role and it's just like know
Speaker 3: your role and stay in your lane.
Speaker 2: That's something that I've learned.
Speaker 3: It's I don't know, it's I'm not out of it, man,
Speaker 3: I'm still learning what's coming next. But I'm so grateful
Speaker 3: to God because this experience and I'm not just talking
Speaker 3: about like the scandal, I'm talking about the last like
Speaker 3: two years of my life, the last like.
Speaker 2: All of this and has.
Speaker 3: Prepared me for I think, something so incredible that I
Speaker 3: needed to be ready for that I needed to be
Speaker 3: this way for you know what I mean, Because I
Speaker 3: was holding on to a lot of toxicity. I really was,
Speaker 3: because that's just the kind of like and I'm not
Speaker 3: even talking about toxicity within myself. I mean like toxic
Speaker 3: systems and structures and people. I held on to them
Speaker 3: because I was just like, I'm a tourist, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm very loyal. I'm just like do the wheels fall off?
Speaker 3: And it's like, man, let go and flow. And I
Speaker 3: think that I had to learn that, Like God had
Speaker 3: tried to show me this so many ways.
Speaker 2: It was like knock me.
Speaker 1: Over the head.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, but that person was just mean
Speaker 2: knock me over the head. Yeah, but that was just
Speaker 2: a misunderstanding. Knockna be over the head. It was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: wake up, wake up, let go.
Speaker 3: You know, when you can't let go, you hold on
Speaker 3: to things that weigh you down. And I'm not even
Speaker 3: trying to talk bad about nobody because I feel like.
Speaker 2: People needed to let me go too.
Speaker 3: Honestly, there are some relationships and dynamics that I know
Speaker 3: that like I was keeping them back from greatness, do
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, or not even less greatness,
Speaker 3: keeping them back from just like living, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, living for themselves. And it's not my job
Speaker 3: to think about that, but I will say, it's not
Speaker 3: just a it's not a one way street.
Speaker 2: I'm not sitting up here being the victim and being
Speaker 2: like I had to do this for me. It's like, no, man,
Speaker 2: it's mutual.
Speaker 3: There's somebody out there whose story is like, yeah, I
Speaker 3: had to let go, and now I'm flowing and things
Speaker 3: are coming to me that are meant for me, you know.
Speaker 3: And I'm not just holding onto this situation that's starting
Speaker 3: to woop my ass, you know.
Speaker 2: I'm aware of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it sounds like this was the headspace from
Speaker 1: which the music was created.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was so angry.
Speaker 3: I was like so like, I was so angry from
Speaker 3: like October to January. I just have a lot of
Speaker 3: angry songs and I was like, get it out, talk
Speaker 3: yo shit. I had some songs that were very like
Speaker 3: that are very dark, you know, and there, and I
Speaker 3: left them on the album because I was like, I
Speaker 3: just think that people deserve to know. And like it's
Speaker 3: songs about loss, like I lost my dog Puka twenty
Speaker 3: years you know. She was like a grandma to me,
Speaker 3: you know, and that was really hard. I wrote a
Speaker 3: song for her. And I have like songs about like
Speaker 3: just friendships that ended that really hurt me.
Speaker 2: And I was like leave it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I had this one song I wrote and like I
Speaker 3: hadn't slept in like forty eight hours, and it was
Speaker 3: like during one of the worst like mental breakdowns I've
Speaker 3: ever had in my life. Like I had the studio
Speaker 3: scheduled the next day and I hadn't slept and I
Speaker 3: was like tears stained face and like musty clothes, like.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go to the studio. I'm gonna go. And
Speaker 2: I went and I wrote this incredible song, and I'm
Speaker 2: like leave it. Leave it.
Speaker 3: You know, you owe yourself that you don't always have.
Speaker 2: To write perfect, polished pop hits.
Speaker 3: You can have songs about your real experience that you
Speaker 3: didn't go in and edit on this album. But then
Speaker 3: I wrote love in Real Life in like February, and
Speaker 3: I was like, huh. I was like, this feels good,
Speaker 3: this feels familiar, and I started to realize my purpose.
Speaker 2: My purpose, like I said, is.
Speaker 3: To turn this pain into champagne and help other people
Speaker 3: through it. I can't just sit and be sad for
Speaker 3: twelve fifteen songs. I gotta give people something to step two,
Speaker 3: something to march to, something to perk themselves back up.
Speaker 3: I didn't do it because I forced myself to. I
Speaker 3: did it because that was just the place I was
Speaker 3: at now. I had written so many sad songs, so
Speaker 3: many mad songs, so many wrong songs, that like, I
Speaker 3: could finally focus on what's right and what feeds my soul.
Speaker 1: And so some of those songs made it onto the album.
Speaker 1: Some of them didn't. Some of them are just a
Speaker 1: lot of them didn't.
Speaker 2: A lot of them. I'm like, oh, like, you'll never
Speaker 2: hear this one, never hear the light of day.
Speaker 1: But you still had to make it to let go
Speaker 1: of that emotion, that feeling. There was a part of
Speaker 1: it that allowed you to shed certain things you were carrying.
Speaker 2: And that's one thing I will tell any artist. It's like,
Speaker 2: make the song.
Speaker 3: It's not like once you record it, it's gonna go
Speaker 3: on the radio tomorrow. It's not gonna be on DSP's
Speaker 3: at midnight. Write the song, say the lyrics, say the
Speaker 3: weird thing. People desperately want to hear the weird thing,
Speaker 3: and then write another song. And if you you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, like that's part of them.
Speaker 2: How do I describe this?
Speaker 3: I always say like there's some sort of stream of
Speaker 3: creation going always, and ideas like are coming out like fish,
Speaker 3: it's so wild, and so you're always kind of like
Speaker 3: when you sit down and cast your net to create,
Speaker 3: whether it's painting, whether it's writing, whether it's music, whatever, dance,
Speaker 3: you cast that line and whatever that fish is, you
Speaker 3: catch that fish, you pull it out, and that's it.
Speaker 2: You gotta pull the fish out.
Speaker 3: You can't be like, well, I caught the fish, but
Speaker 3: I can't say that, or I caught the fish, but
Speaker 3: I don't like this genre of music. I can't make
Speaker 3: a classical twerku song. Yes, you can make the classical
Speaker 3: tork song. Pull the fish out and go fishing again,
Speaker 3: cast your line again.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? What did they say?
Speaker 1: It's full of plenty fish in the see I love.
Speaker 1: What you said about how creativity is a stream and
Speaker 1: that's what the words stream is actually so beautiful because
Speaker 1: you're right that we're all pulling from the universe moments
Speaker 1: of creativity and mixed with our experience. It's almost like
Speaker 1: one layer is the stream of creativity in the universe,
Speaker 1: and the other is the experience of real life of
Speaker 1: what we're going through. And great art is made when
Speaker 1: those two things are moving in parallel. Yeah, And you're
Speaker 1: able to like connect the dots between the two, and
Speaker 1: it seems like that's what you've been trying to stream
Speaker 1: and channel and put it together. How is your view
Speaker 1: on love changed through this process? Like when you look
Speaker 1: at the word love, now.
Speaker 3: I'm such a better lover now. I worked really hard,
Speaker 3: and I can't remember. It was like twoenty seventeen. I
Speaker 3: was really deep in it, and I had like candles,
Speaker 3: and I was reading books, and I was trying to
Speaker 3: understand what it means to be an unconditional lover because
Speaker 3: love with conditions hurt really bad, really bad. And I
Speaker 3: was like, please, I want to learn how to be
Speaker 3: an unconditional lover. And once I had all the crystals
Speaker 3: and all the candles and all the prayer and all
Speaker 3: the reading, and I was like, I get it.
Speaker 2: I get unconditional love.
Speaker 3: I realized that, like, actually, as a human being, I'm
Speaker 3: in unconditional we are, I think on a spirit level, vibrationally,
Speaker 3: we are unconditional love. And I think that is why
Speaker 3: it's hard to try to be an unconditional lever, because
Speaker 3: it's not something that you can actively do.
Speaker 2: You just are.
Speaker 3: But when you tap back into your flesh, that's when
Speaker 3: the conditions come right back in. And I found that
Speaker 3: when I choose to love and flow, that is the
Speaker 3: most unconditional part. When I love on a material level,
Speaker 3: that's when the conditions started to come in and it
Speaker 3: gets painful and it gets petty and it gets weird.
Speaker 3: But every time I forget, because we're going to forget.
Speaker 2: We are human beings.
Speaker 3: We step back into the flesh every morning when we
Speaker 3: wake up, I have to go back to the flow.
Speaker 3: And I remind myself, I'm like, well, how would you
Speaker 3: feel if they did that to you? You know, how
Speaker 3: would you feel? What would you think? And I go oh,
Speaker 3: and I empathize and I understand. And it's so much
Speaker 3: easier for me now to accept because I think love
Speaker 3: is acceptance, you know what I mean. Like, one of
Speaker 3: my favorite phrases to tell myself and others is just like,
Speaker 3: I love and accept you for who you are. I
Speaker 3: love and accept you for who you are. And sometimes
Speaker 3: when people piss me off, I go I love and
Speaker 3: accept them for who they are. I love accept I
Speaker 3: have to remind myself that I do on a very
Speaker 3: sole level, on a vibrational level, I love them and
Speaker 3: accept them for who they are. Once I get into
Speaker 3: the material level, you fed up my day, or why
Speaker 3: would you say that to me?
Speaker 2: Or why would you do this to.
Speaker 3: Me, it starts to get real conditional and painful and
Speaker 3: pain body and hateful and drama and mess. I don't
Speaker 3: want no drama and I don't want no mess. I
Speaker 3: really don't anymore. And honestly, I was addicted to it
Speaker 3: for a long time.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: I love reality TV. I loved hearing gossip about others.
Speaker 3: I would be like, oh my gosh, what's the tea,
Speaker 3: what happened?
Speaker 2: What happened?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Like I was very spunky, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, And I realized, oh that's like, you know,
Speaker 3: I see something online, I'm like, I go down the
Speaker 3: rabbit hole.
Speaker 2: I'm like, but what happened? Drama? And it's like, girl,
Speaker 2: that is lowering your vibration.
Speaker 3: And like I hate to even say lowering vibration because
Speaker 3: people don't think it's woo woo. It's like I'm literally
Speaker 3: lowering my waking state. By doing that, you're lowering yourself
Speaker 3: and then you start to attract drama. Oh my god,
Speaker 3: when you jet, when you you are what you eat.
Speaker 3: When you eat drama, you attract mother drama. I was
Speaker 3: so addicted to it, and I think, like now I'm
Speaker 3: a better lover. And what I understand about love is
Speaker 3: love is like there's no drama. It's like calm water.
Speaker 3: It's like peaceful water, because love is a flow state. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you're at your best, you love it your best when
Speaker 3: you're just flowing. Don't try to understand it, don't try
Speaker 3: to make it make sense, and don't try to like
Speaker 3: find problems with it.
Speaker 2: Just like love them, you know, and and be loved.
Speaker 1: I love that flesh to flow. That's really good because
Speaker 1: it's so good. I love what you're saying because I
Speaker 1: think about this often where we're like we're all like
Speaker 1: be kinder to everyone and then the next thing you
Speaker 1: need is someone's comment section, which is like, why does
Speaker 1: a voice sound like that? What's up today? Like what's
Speaker 1: up with his? You know? And I'm like, what a mean?
Speaker 1: Didn't we all just say we need to be kinder
Speaker 1: to us each other and kind of to ourselves and
Speaker 1: be like, oh, no, mental health is the most important
Speaker 1: thing in society right now you look at a comment section,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, someone's mental health is being absolutely
Speaker 1: destroyed for things they can't even control, things that you
Speaker 1: don't even know why their voice sounds like that, or
Speaker 1: why their weights like that, or why their health's like that,
Speaker 1: Like you just have no context. And it's so fascinating
Speaker 1: to me that you see this complete quarrel and hypocrisy
Speaker 1: of constant like just everything we're saying, we're finding it
Speaker 1: hard to live, Like it's hard to see in real life,
Speaker 1: like what you just said, Like we all love reading
Speaker 1: about gossip about someone else's life. Else is dating scenario.
Speaker 1: But then if your friends are gossiping about your life,
Speaker 1: you're like, can you believe it? They're spreading rumors about me?
Speaker 1: And it's so interesting, right, it's and I think about
Speaker 1: it all the time because as soon as you think
Speaker 1: you're free of it, if you're like, oh no, I
Speaker 1: never gossip about anyone or whatever, and you just got
Speaker 1: to take a beat and take a look at how
Speaker 1: you spoke about someone yesterday. And so we're, like you said,
Speaker 1: we're all human. We're constantly trying to propagate and preach
Speaker 1: the right thing to do, but we're all struggling in
Speaker 1: reality with actually doing it when it's hard.
Speaker 2: We are as kind to others as we are to ourselves.
Speaker 3: I'm learning that. I'm learning the people who say the
Speaker 3: meanest things to me and about me are going through it.
Speaker 3: They struggling too. How are you gonna be How are
Speaker 3: you gonna be nice to me and say something nice
Speaker 3: about me? When you talk down about yourself? And I
Speaker 3: don't even mean like people who have low self esteem.
Speaker 3: I'm talking like, oh stupid, why did I do that?
Speaker 3: I'm so stupid? Or like, oh I look bad, like
Speaker 3: I don't like how I look, like, Oh I hate myself?
Speaker 3: Like it's little things like that that you say over
Speaker 3: and over and over and over in your body's.
Speaker 2: I bet you know.
Speaker 3: And that's why I'm so I man, I'm telling you
Speaker 3: self love can save the world because you, because it
Speaker 3: starts with you self. Love could could make this world
Speaker 3: a better loving place because when you're kind, you notice
Speaker 3: the people who are kind to themselves and love themselves,
Speaker 3: they're they just you're like, oh, I like being around
Speaker 3: You're so kind, You're so nice, Like why you're so
Speaker 3: nice to me? It's like, well, because I'm nice to me,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. But when I'm hard on myself,
Speaker 3: and when I'm striving for perfection, and when I'm beating
Speaker 3: myself up, and when i'm doing the most, I can't
Speaker 3: control how I treat other people or how I look
Speaker 3: at other people, or what I think about other people.
Speaker 3: When I wasn't when I'm in the trenches, the trenches
Speaker 3: I'm I'm the trenches are surrounding me now that I'm
Speaker 3: kinder to myself. And that doesn't even mean like ooh,
Speaker 3: I put on lotion every day and self care. I mean, like,
Speaker 3: man like, the way I look at the world, the
Speaker 3: way I view the world, the way I view myself
Speaker 3: through the lens of the world is kinder, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And I think if everyone, if everyone was a little
Speaker 3: kinder to themselves, I think we'd have less and less
Speaker 3: of the negativity in the world.
Speaker 1: I agree. I think that's a beautiful way to put it.
Speaker 1: It's that projection of our own insecurity and pain and
Speaker 1: the conversation that's happening in our mind is going out
Speaker 1: with as well. And I feel like it's harder, like
Speaker 1: we were talking about earlier, when you mean something to people,
Speaker 1: because I feel like when you then change, people feel
Speaker 1: like they're losing a friend. Right. It's like when you transform,
Speaker 1: then people feel like, oh, but you used to be
Speaker 1: the girl that what's the reality TV and talked about it.
Speaker 1: Now you don't, I'm losing you. Oh you used to
Speaker 1: be the person who who didn't do that and didn't
Speaker 1: do that, and now you are, Like, I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm losing you. Have you ever felt that way before? Like,
Speaker 1: as you're transforming, as you're growing, as you're becoming the
Speaker 1: person you want to be, that people can often also
Speaker 1: feel like you're leaving them behind. People feel like they're
Speaker 1: grieving a friend.
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, yes I was.
Speaker 3: We could talk about my personal life because on a
Speaker 3: personal level, I do feel like there's just people who like,
Speaker 3: our relationship just grew apart because we just don't even
Speaker 3: relate on the same things anymore.
Speaker 2: You know. I know a lot of people be like, oh,
Speaker 2: I grew out of that. It's like, it's not.
Speaker 3: Really you grew out of it. You just grew apart
Speaker 3: from it. And that's fine. But I would say, on
Speaker 3: like a my public relationship, I'm very careful about what's
Speaker 3: happening with.
Speaker 2: Me right now.
Speaker 3: Like I have been on an intentional weight release journey,
Speaker 3: and I put it on the internet. I posted about
Speaker 3: it like maybe a year and a half ago, and
Speaker 3: I was like very clear that this time it's intentional.
Speaker 3: I've always been very like work athletic online, I work out,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm always like, you know, eating and showing
Speaker 3: how I eat and like always trying to like eat healthy.
Speaker 3: And I remember once I started becoming famous, like twenty eighteen,
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, I was and I was like a big girl,
Speaker 3: and I was like, it's going to be on me
Speaker 3: to show the world that big girls can also be healthy,
Speaker 3: big girls can also have stamina, big girls can also
Speaker 3: be loved, big girls can also be sexy, etc.
Speaker 1: Etc.
Speaker 3: All the things that I stood for. And I told
Speaker 3: people that I was going on an intentional weight release
Speaker 3: journey because I wanted to be transparent in that way
Speaker 3: because I do feel like I have a relationship with
Speaker 3: the public where it's like I am their friend, and
Speaker 3: it is relatable, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It is relatable to struggle with your body.
Speaker 3: So I put it out there, and I think over
Speaker 3: the last few over the last like year and a half,
Speaker 3: as I've been doing it, my body has been changing
Speaker 3: very slowly.
Speaker 2: But I don't think people were paying attention.
Speaker 3: I would show different things like, oh, I showed my workouts,
Speaker 3: or I'd show like what I eat in a day,
Speaker 3: or I would say I started off the year by
Speaker 3: being like, hey, new year, knew me. Trends don't have
Speaker 3: to be toxic. Please be careful when you're posting about
Speaker 3: your January fitness goals because it can be very fat phobic.
Speaker 3: Like I was still very like anti fat phobia on
Speaker 3: this entire journey. But I think that, you know, we
Speaker 3: got to remember everybody not seeing your shit all the time,
Speaker 3: everybody not seeing every video you post. Everybody's not privy
Speaker 3: to what you're going through. They're not with you every day.
Speaker 3: So when I pop out on a red carpet or
Speaker 3: when a video suddenly goes viral and my body's different.
Speaker 2: It appears like it was overnight.
Speaker 3: It appears sudden, and I think that was shocking to
Speaker 3: a lot of people because now the headline is Lizo skinny,
Speaker 3: which is a.
Speaker 2: Far cry from the truth because I'm not. I'm not.
Speaker 3: And even in my original video, I was like, when
Speaker 3: I reach my weight release goal, I'm not going to
Speaker 3: be considered thin by any means, by any metric, by
Speaker 3: any BMI. I will still get trolled and talked about,
Speaker 3: and the fat jokes will still be there, but I'll
Speaker 3: be happy.
Speaker 2: And I said that because I meant it, and here
Speaker 2: I am, and I was like, how did y'all? How
Speaker 2: are y'all? How?
Speaker 3: Where's the disconnect? But I think the disconnect is communication.
Speaker 3: I've been so transparent, so if anyone wanted to look
Speaker 3: at my paper trail, it's there. But I also know
Speaker 3: that they're not going to and my responsibility, as someone
Speaker 3: who has this relationship with the public and they have
Speaker 3: it with me, is to continue.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to stop and get defensive and be
Speaker 2: like God I did for a second. I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm not skinny. Why are y'all saying that?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: And that kind of baffled me because it's just like
Speaker 3: if y'all knew how much I weighed, if y'all knew
Speaker 3: what my body really looked like, and I was like, Oh,
Speaker 3: just show them what your body looks like.
Speaker 2: Just be real about it.
Speaker 3: Just be real about the body dysmorphia that you're experiencing,
Speaker 3: that you know now that you have released some weight
Speaker 3: that's kind of new to you, Like you know that
Speaker 3: is also like it's strangely inverse, like show them, just
Speaker 3: show them your journey more. Just continue to do it
Speaker 3: instead of being angry and defensive about it, be real
Speaker 3: about it because that's what you're from loves about you,
Speaker 3: and that's what you love about your friend, that you
Speaker 3: can be real. Yeah, you know, I'm still in it
Speaker 3: because this is all very new, Like I think it's
Speaker 3: now just starting to be like a point of conversation
Speaker 3: and discourse, and I think my responsibility with that is
Speaker 3: to make sure that it's still it's still me.
Speaker 1: That's beautiful, that's beautiful the way you explained that I love.
Speaker 1: First of all, I really appreciate the empathy that you
Speaker 1: have in the fact that everyone's not seeing everything, so
Speaker 1: it feels like overnight it feels like a shock, and
Speaker 1: the fact that you even have the foresight to even
Speaker 1: think through that shows just how aware you are. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, I really appreciate how you're using
Speaker 1: the word weight release and not loss. Yeah, and talk
Speaker 1: to us about that, because I think that's really important.
Speaker 1: It's such an interesting reframe and such an important reframe.
Speaker 3: Because the weight that is no longer on me is
Speaker 3: not just fat or physical. I released so much to
Speaker 3: get to this point, and I think people can see that.
Speaker 3: And I don't want to describe anything as loss, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't want to. I'm not experiencing any loss. I've
Speaker 3: actually gained so much. I've gained like a sense of self.
Speaker 3: I gain like a lifestyle that I actually really love,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I can maintain this, you know. I've
Speaker 3: gained new perspectives on like nutrition and the science behind
Speaker 3: cardio or weightlifting, Like it's exciting to me.
Speaker 2: That's that virgo mood. I'm like, oh, this is interesting.
Speaker 2: I love science.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I just think that, like, people aren't going
Speaker 3: to understand this right now, but it's the most body
Speaker 3: positive way to experience what I'm going through. I don't
Speaker 3: want to use any negative terms weight loss is like, girl,
Speaker 3: I lost weight, and it's so funny because my man,
Speaker 3: he's so funny, Like he was the one who kind
Speaker 3: of like brought it to my attention at first. I
Speaker 3: was like, cause at first I was like, I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, I lost five pounds.
Speaker 2: He was like, where did it go?
Speaker 3: I was like what?
Speaker 2: And I was sad at him. I was like, why
Speaker 2: would he say that?
Speaker 3: He's like, where did it go? You know, I was like, oh, interesting.
Speaker 3: You know, It's like, I don't think I want to
Speaker 3: lose anything. I think I want to win. I think
Speaker 3: I want to gain, and I think that, like, I
Speaker 3: want to be very intentional with the words that come
Speaker 3: out of my mouth because there's young people who are
Speaker 3: watching me, and they're experiencing, you know, what I'm putting
Speaker 3: into the world, and they're applying it to their own
Speaker 3: experience and their own life, just like I did when
Speaker 3: I was a kid. You know, I saw how the
Speaker 3: media treated people who gained and lost weight and how
Speaker 3: that affected my brain chemistry and how it made me.
Speaker 3: I'm still not perfect, Like, you know, I'll still mess
Speaker 3: up when I'm talking about things, or I'll still I
Speaker 3: have some toxic you know, diet culture, things that come
Speaker 3: on my brain. I just swaowed away like a fly.
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, we're not doing that. We're not doing that,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like, this is your body.
Speaker 3: You only get one of these. Enjoy her and let
Speaker 3: her enjoy you. So I just want to be very
Speaker 3: careful with my words and intentional. And it's not for me,
Speaker 3: because if this was all for me, you know, I
Speaker 3: take this being a public figure very by heart. But
Speaker 3: if we were sitting alone, we was drinking Q, I'd
Speaker 3: be like, well, but it's like no, Like, be careful
Speaker 3: with your words because it could affect somebody in ways
Speaker 3: you don't even know.
Speaker 2: Even me.
Speaker 3: Releasing the weight has affected people, and I take that seriously.
Speaker 3: I take that responsibility, and so because of that, I
Speaker 3: want to transmute it into something that makes those people
Speaker 3: feel comfortable, you know, and feel like, Okay, let's afraid
Speaker 3: of it, you know what I mean, and understand it more.
Speaker 1: Liza, it has been an absolute joy talking to you.
Speaker 1: You're easy to talk to. You're so much fun. I
Speaker 1: can tell that you've sat with everything you're saying for
Speaker 1: so long. Yeah, when I'm listening to you. I can
Speaker 1: hear the reflection in your voice. I can hear the like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the weight in what you're saying for yourself and for others.
Speaker 1: And I really respect that because that's actually the hardest part.
Speaker 1: The hardest part is sitting in no matter land or
Speaker 1: no person's land and just figuring it out. And I
Speaker 1: can tell that you've spent so much time there reflecting,
Speaker 1: doing the inner work, pushing, healing, questioning, taking responsibility, doing
Speaker 1: the shadow Like that's hard, and I just want to
Speaker 1: acknowledge that because I see you for that, I feel
Speaker 1: it in your words, I hear it. It's very evident
Speaker 1: to me that you're someone who's really working on that.
Speaker 1: That is the hardest work on the planet to do
Speaker 1: on an individual level.
Speaker 3: Like, don't nobody want to sit around thinking about how
Speaker 3: they picked up, you know, because then you'll just beat
Speaker 3: yourself up.
Speaker 2: But I did it anyways, and I was like, I'm
Speaker 2: going to.
Speaker 3: Beat myself up until I end up becoming the best
Speaker 3: version of myself.
Speaker 2: And it was really hard.
Speaker 3: And I only share it because I know that someone
Speaker 3: else might be going through it, Like go through it,
Speaker 3: don't try to like stop the journey, you know you
Speaker 3: do have to sit and reflect. You do have a
Speaker 3: You are the only person in control of you. You
Speaker 3: know what I mean, and you have to take responsibility
Speaker 3: for that. And I think that like it feels good
Speaker 3: because then no one else can control your story. No
Speaker 3: one else can control your joy. I am the author
Speaker 3: of my story.
Speaker 1: I love it. We end every episode with a final five.
Speaker 1: These questions have to be answered in one word to
Speaker 1: one sentence maximum each, So Liza, these are your final five.
Speaker 2: Very bad at this, by the way. Okay.
Speaker 1: The first question is what is the best advice you've
Speaker 1: ever heard or received?
Speaker 2: Wow? Know who you are and whose you are?
Speaker 1: Ooh, I have loved I've never heard that before. That's beautiful,
Speaker 1: all right. Question number two, what is the worst advice
Speaker 1: you've ever heard or received? Good?
Speaker 2: Bitch, crash out?
Speaker 1: You said it to yourself. Oh yeah, that's funny. That's funny.
Speaker 1: Question number three this new music, this new album. What
Speaker 1: is this chapter of your life called freedom?
Speaker 2: I feel very free?
Speaker 1: And that's what people feel when they listen to life.
Speaker 2: I sure hope so, because that's what I put in it.
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. A Question number four, what's the first thing
Speaker 1: you do every morning? And the last thing you do
Speaker 1: every night.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: The first thing I do every morning when I open
Speaker 3: my eyes is I have a wave of gratitude. It's
Speaker 3: happened every morning since January twenty twenty. I've woke up
Speaker 3: and I had a wave of gratitude that almost brings
Speaker 3: me to tears. I've never cried for like all of
Speaker 3: my life, and then in twenty twenty, I just start
Speaker 3: crying all the time. And then the last thing I do.
Speaker 3: I think this is gonna sound like I'm lying. I'm
Speaker 3: so corny, but I and it's only because I have anxiety.
Speaker 3: I think about every person, and I think about my family.
Speaker 3: I think about the family members who aren't here, think
Speaker 3: about my dog Puka, my dad, and I send so corny.
Speaker 2: I know this doesn't sound real.
Speaker 3: It sounds like I'm only saying this because I talk
Speaker 3: to you, But I literally I send like there's like
Speaker 3: these weird color points that come out of me in
Speaker 3: my mind.
Speaker 2: And I and they always go to a different person
Speaker 2: every time.
Speaker 3: It's like a different color to a different person, and
Speaker 3: I think about them. I sent green to my brother,
Speaker 3: and I sent like orange to my sister, and I
Speaker 3: sent red to my man, and I sent Violet and
Speaker 3: White to my father, and I sent Blue to my mother,
Speaker 3: and it was just it was so strange. But I
Speaker 3: think about them and I say, oh my gosh, I
Speaker 3: just pray.
Speaker 2: Over them real quick. I'm like, I pray.
Speaker 3: I actually don't even pray that they're okay. I thank
Speaker 3: God they're okay. I know you said one word, but
Speaker 3: I go, thank you, beautiful. I'm like, thank you for
Speaker 3: making sure that my family and all my loved ones
Speaker 3: are safe and healthy.
Speaker 2: I swear because I have to. It's the only way
Speaker 2: I can go to sleep.
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. I believe you. I believe that was very
Speaker 1: depth Jesus in it to make it. That's amazing. Fifth
Speaker 1: and final question. We asked this to every guest who's
Speaker 1: ever been on the show. The question is, if you
Speaker 1: could create one law that everyone in the world had
Speaker 1: to follow, what would it be?
Speaker 2: Whoa whoa whoa whoa? Actually I just heard about this.
Speaker 2: I forget the name of the law.
Speaker 3: But it's if you like, think about the world and
Speaker 3: you're not in it yet, and you don't know how
Speaker 3: you're going to be born, you don't know you know
Speaker 3: what color you're going to be born, what country you're
Speaker 3: going to be born in You don't. It's a lottery.
Speaker 3: How would you design that world not knowing how you
Speaker 3: would be born in it? So that everybody can live happily?
Speaker 3: And that's how that's how you move through the world.
Speaker 1: That is so good. I love that. I've never heard
Speaker 1: that before.
Speaker 3: That's it, that's that's the rule. Design this world, build
Speaker 3: this world, live in this world. As if you don't
Speaker 3: know what privileges you'll be owed you, I don't know
Speaker 3: how you are going to come into it, what cultures
Speaker 3: are going to be a part of so that everyone
Speaker 3: can benefit and everyone can live happily and freely.
Speaker 2: How would you design it?
Speaker 1: I love that is amazing. We never had that answer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is a brilliant brilliant.
Speaker 2: And the tea is it's the way God designed it.
Speaker 3: But you know, we came in here, we added our biases,
Speaker 3: we put our biases up in this bitch.
Speaker 1: Liza, you are so much fun. You are such a
Speaker 1: bright spug and such a brilliant soul. Like honestly, your
Speaker 1: energy is infectious. And I want to thank you for
Speaker 1: trusting me with just being so open, so vulnerable, so
Speaker 1: so thoughtful, and everything you shared and I know that
Speaker 1: anyone who listens to this episode is going to feel
Speaker 1: inspired in their own personal journey. I hopefully feel a
Speaker 1: lot more closer to you, and I can't wait for
Speaker 1: them to listen to this new album. I cannot wait
Speaker 1: and love in real life. I hope everyone goes listens
Speaker 1: and still bad It is already my favorite. I loving it,
Speaker 1: so thank you so much for being here, So grateful,
Speaker 1: genuinely grateful to understand with you.
Speaker 2: Thank you so I really appreciate you.
Speaker 3: Thank you for the I don't take any of this
Speaker 3: for granted, So thank you.
Speaker 1: If you love this episode, you'll really enjoy my episode
Speaker 1: with Selena Gomez on befriending your inner critic and how
Speaker 1: to speak to yourself with more compassion.
Speaker 2: My fears are only going to continue to show me
Speaker 2: what I'm capable of.
Speaker 1: The more that I face my fears, the more that
Speaker 1: I feel I'm gaining strength, I'm gaining wisdom, and I
Speaker 1: just want to keep doing that.