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Speaker 2: And it's because we're back in Hell's kitchen.

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Speaker 2: So George, Yeah, when did you know that you were

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Speaker 1: Well, I think maybe we should invite our guests.

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Speaker 3: Wo Hi everybody.

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Speaker 1: So Sabrina, before we started recording you, we said, be careful,

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Speaker 3: You know, I actually feel better than usual?

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Speaker 3: And if anything, I was just like, I mean, what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for Valentine if you want to give your child

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Speaker 1: You actually bring up an important point, which is did

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Speaker 3: No, in fact, by I don't know if my parents

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Speaker 3: No, we did, but racially charged given that we weren't

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Speaker 2: Me, Like they literally got you Valentine's Day, No, like

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It wasn't like fancy. It was just like here's

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Speaker 2: Well, here's what I'll say about Valentine's Day as someone

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Speaker 1: I actually feel like it did. Oh interesting, Like I

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Speaker 1: Yes, it was very beautiful.

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Speaker 3: Yeah I love my fifth grade polyicule.

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Speaker 3: I'm great? This was this was the highlight of my day.

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Speaker 2: So that's incredible.

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Speaker 1: That's incredible. So George, you're right now, Do you want

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Speaker 2: To me, everyone can have one forbidden question. Like it's

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Speaker 3: No, I'm serious. No, I'm serious, Like, ask me anything.

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Speaker 3: You can't believe you asked me that. Oh my god,

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Speaker 2: Yeah what I and I hate to now harp on

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Speaker 2: like us but uglier? Yeah, exactly, two white gays that

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Speaker 2: touching on. But it's like there's a way to frame

441
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Speaker 2: those questions where the only possible way to answer feels

442
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Speaker 2: self important and moralistic. So it's almost like the person

443
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Speaker 2: setting you up for a trap where they're like, do

444
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Speaker 2: you feel like the work you do is important? And

445
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Speaker 2: you can't be like, well no.

446
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Speaker 1: But you also can't be like actually really important, right.

447
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Speaker 3: Totally yeah, yeah, yeah, right?

448
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Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying a little bit a.

449
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Speaker 3: Little bit of that, And That's what I'm saying when

450
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Speaker 3: you ask me this.

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Speaker 5: I've become completely incompra But I actually love that, And

452
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Speaker 5: actually that is a better reason to have a forbidden

453
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Speaker 5: question than something you actually don't want to talk about,

454
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Speaker 5: Because I agree with you is that the topics people

455
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Speaker 5: are most interesting interested in often are the ones that

456
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Speaker 5: have the most nuanced and therefore the ones you don't

457
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Speaker 5: want to talk about in like a live podcast format.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's very save it for the book, save it

459
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Speaker 2: for the book exactly. I Have you ever done something

460
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Speaker 2: sort of interview based and then asked them not to

461
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Speaker 2: release it?

462
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Speaker 1: No? I have really? Wow?

463
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Speaker 2: I did greta Titleman's previous podcast. It was called The

464
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Speaker 2: Worst I believe, where you talked about like the worst

465
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Speaker 2: moment of your life, or like a bad moment of

466
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Speaker 2: your life or something, and I talked about like the

467
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Speaker 2: nitty gritty details of a breakup. And I got home

468
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Speaker 2: and I was like, what was that?

469
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Speaker 1: Like?

470
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Speaker 2: In what world did I think I would then feel

471
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Speaker 2: comfortable with that being like in the Apple podcast app Life?

472
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Speaker 2: And I texted Gret I was like, I'm so sorry, like, absolutely,

473
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Speaker 2: don't release that.

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Speaker 1: Wow? Was she okay with it? Yeah?

475
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Speaker 2: I mean listen, maybe behind my back she was dming,

476
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 2: you know, texting every other member of the Brooklyn comedy

477
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Speaker 2: scene and was like, this dumb thag, George doesn't want

478
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Speaker 2: me to release this episode. But no, she was incredibly

479
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Speaker 2: nice about it, and I think it's like you know,

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Speaker 2: and thank god she was, and thank god because now

481
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Speaker 2: I sew it as a book.

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Speaker 1: Yay. Do you guys want to know my forbidden question? Yes? Yeah,

483
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Speaker 1: it's where were you on January sixth, twenty.

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Speaker 2: Wow?

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Speaker 1: And with that, should we do our first segment? Yes?

486
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Speaker 1: We should? Wow? Okay, Sabrina. Our first segment is called

487
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Speaker 1: straight Shooters, and in it we ask you a series

488
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Speaker 1: of rapid fire questions to gage your familiarity within complicity

489
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Speaker 1: and straight culture, especially this thing or this other thing.

490
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Speaker 1: And the only rule is you can't ask any follow

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Speaker 1: up questions.

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Speaker 2: Great, okay, Sabrina. Gentleman's Quarterly or Lady Marmalide, Lady Marmalide.

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Speaker 1: Drag him okay, Hulk Cogan or Cat Cohen.

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Speaker 2: God, that is an incredible question, okay, Madam X or

495
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Speaker 2: mister Magoo mister okay?

496
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Speaker 1: Your chosen family or your chosen financial plan at Morgan Stanley.

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Speaker 2: Anything but chosen family, okay, Sabrina. A gendered happy meal

498
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Speaker 2: toy or a rendered image of what New York would

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Speaker 2: look like with more inclusive urban design.

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Speaker 3: Chosen happy meal, So.

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Speaker 1: I can say it, Okay, Lost air Pods or The

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Speaker 1: Last Airbender.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Last Airbender?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Friday the thirteenth, Sunday, Bloody Sunday, or Wednesday now

505
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Speaker 2: streaming on.

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Speaker 3: Netflix, Wednesday streaming on Netflix.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Puss in Boots or Venus in Furs.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Venus and Furs.

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Speaker 1: Why not?

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Speaker 2: It's kind of crazy that there's a children's character named

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Speaker 2: Puss and Boots.

512
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Speaker 1: I know, I know, there's a sort of.

513
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Speaker 2: Way in which this is a sort of horseshoe theory

514
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Speaker 2: of gay culture and children's culture, where it's sort of

515
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Speaker 2: like Puss and Boots could either be like a really

516
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Speaker 2: inappropriate drag queen, or it could be a cat wearing boots. Yeah,

517
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Speaker 2: and thank god's the ladder, and thank god it's the latter,

518
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Speaker 2: Otherwise I would have to vote Republican. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Well, I just want to say, I think you did incredible.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna say nine hundred doves.

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Speaker 2: We rate each guest on a scale of zero to

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Speaker 2: one thousand doves, and I agree it was a nine

523
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Speaker 2: hundred doves performance.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a cool confidence there.

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Speaker 3: Nine hundred doves. Yeah, when where did I lose the

526
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 3: other one hundred doves?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean, do you want to hear the critique

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Speaker 1: or yes?

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Speaker 2: Yes, Sam, you can go first.

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Speaker 1: Okay, first of all, you had sort of a knowing confidence,

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Speaker 1: and we really loved that about your performance. But there

532
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Speaker 1: was sort of a dismissiveness to the questions that we

533
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Speaker 1: just worked so so hard on. And yeah, so I

534
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Speaker 1: felt like that was sort of where we docked some doves.

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Speaker 3: Well, that wasn't the tone I was trying to strike.

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Speaker 3: I was really trying. I mean, I really respect you

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Speaker 3: to you know. I even listened to a couple of episodes.

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Speaker 2: You know, Sabrina. It's like, we gave you nine hundred doves,

539
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Speaker 2: which is a very good score on you know, there's

540
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Speaker 2: no denying it.

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Speaker 1: There's not a perfect score.

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Speaker 2: It's not sorry sorry, but you know, to focus on

543
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Speaker 2: the negative like this and and and suddenly make us

544
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Speaker 2: justify our score that we selected completely arbitrarily on our podcast.

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Speaker 3: This is why you're never gonna slave. How do you

546
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Speaker 3: think I've gotten this?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. Yeah, you know, I do think there's

548
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Speaker 1: something about being complacent and I think a lot of times,

549
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: sometimes I'll be like, oh, it's good. You know how

550
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 1: people are like practice gratitude, like be happy for what

551
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Speaker 1: you have, Like what if that's wrong? Like sometimes I'm like, oh,

552
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Speaker 1: I love my like little Bushwick apartment and I love

553
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Speaker 1: my like simple life.

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Speaker 2: No, it's like you have to.

555
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Speaker 1: You have to leave that apartment as I need to

556
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Speaker 1: like go into like major debts that I have to

557
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Speaker 1: work really really hard to get out of it. And

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Speaker 1: I do want to say one thing about your performance, Sabrina,

559
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Speaker 1: is that the fact that you I'm now realizing the

560
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Speaker 1: fact that you challenge the nine hundred doves sort of

561
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Speaker 1: makes it a thousand doves. That's true because I think

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Speaker 1: the fact that you knew not to challenge us when

563
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Speaker 1: we told you not to ask questions, but then as

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Speaker 1: soon as that part of it was over, you immediately

565
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: were like, well, I want I want to see the paperwork,

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Speaker 1: I want to see the receipts. Why didn't I get

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Speaker 1: a thousand? And then we honestly didn't have a good

568
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Speaker 1: enough answer for you. So the fact that you exposed

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Speaker 1: us for the frauds we are means that you are

570
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Speaker 1: winning a Pulitzer Prize. In journalism and at the prize

571
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Speaker 1: is a thousand ups.

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Speaker 3: Wow, this is like, this is actually a really importan

573
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Speaker 3: lesson all the children who are listening.

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Speaker 1: No, it's true.

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Speaker 3: In high school, I used to, you know, just like

576
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Speaker 3: be really negative on myself every time I you know,

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Speaker 3: got like a nine out of ten on a you

578
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Speaker 3: know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I'd be like yeah.

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Speaker 3: But then there were always a bunch of kids that

581
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Speaker 3: would go back to the teacher and be scary, just

582
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Speaker 3: like the way I was too, really scary. And then

583
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Speaker 3: the next thing, you know, they have a four point three.

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Speaker 1: GPA messed up.

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Speaker 2: It's really like, honestly, one of the most important lessons

586
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Speaker 2: in life is to know when to challenge authority and

587
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Speaker 2: when to sneakily not challenge authority so you can build

588
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Speaker 2: up more challenging power later on. If you had sort

589
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Speaker 2: of responded to each one of our straight shooters with

590
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Speaker 2: like fuck off, then at the end, at the end,

591
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Speaker 2: you would have no more leeweight like, we would have

592
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Speaker 2: no more patience for your challenging and you would have

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Speaker 2: no leeway to challenge your score, which would at that

594
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Speaker 2: point be like sort of a hundred.

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Speaker 3: Is sure every time you asked me a question. My

596
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Speaker 3: brain was like not now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, because you were like, what if later I

598
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Speaker 2: will need to challenge right, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean to be honest, if you had responded

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Speaker 1: to every single one yelling at us fuck off, I

601
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Speaker 1: would have to stand. Unfortunately, that's true.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's really tough because we are, on the

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Speaker 2: one hand authority figures. On the other hand, we ourselves

604
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Speaker 2: are kind of Kim Gordon, So it is difficult when

605
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Speaker 2: we respect the challenging of authority. So it's always like

606
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Speaker 2: my challenging authority, you're in fact pandering to us.

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Speaker 1: I do think we create a toxic environment by like

608
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Speaker 1: we reward people being bad. Yeah, and we actually need

609
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Speaker 1: to reward people who are being good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Have you ever been in it?

611
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Speaker 3: I'm so good.

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Speaker 2: Do you feel like you would do well as an

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Speaker 2: authority figure?

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Speaker 3: No, I actually like actively like avoid positions of authority, like.

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Speaker 1: And you've been asked, oh all the time?

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Speaker 3: No, well not later in life, because but I think

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Speaker 3: like when I was like in high school and college,

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Speaker 3: I was especially high school, I was always like, let

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Speaker 3: me be captain of the team. But I was dropping yeah,

620
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Speaker 3: like I was dropping balls left and like not like basket.

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Speaker 1: Like yeah, like you know, like metaphors metaphorical of course,

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Speaker 1: oh the.

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Speaker 3: Team dinners, like you know, if there, if I didn't have,

624
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Speaker 3: like if there wasn't so much like you know, you

625
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Speaker 3: need to So I thought I sound like such an ass.

626
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Speaker 2: You know you do not sound like but there's like.

627
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Speaker 3: A lot of pressure, like everyone should be a leader,

628
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Speaker 3: everyone should be leader. Yeah, it in your hand, and

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Speaker 3: you're like, okay, like I don't think I should be

630
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Speaker 3: a leader, but I'll do it because that feels like

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Speaker 3: who I'm supposed to evolve to. But later in life

632
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Speaker 3: I've been like, yeah, I just fail everyone around me

633
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Speaker 3: every time I do it.

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Speaker 2: I guess this is such a rich topic, and I

635
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Speaker 2: honestly think like leadership could be a straight topic on

636
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Speaker 2: the podcast. But yeah, it's almost like what replaced religion

637
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Speaker 2: when society became secular. It's this obsession with leadership. It's

638
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Speaker 2: like if Jesus is dead, someone else has to step up.

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Speaker 1: I mean leadership also in business goes so hand in hand.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, but also when you were a teen, did

641
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Speaker 2: you have sort of like leadership camp or like leadership

642
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Speaker 2: I mean I never went to one, right, Yes, I

643
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Speaker 2: remember seeing those, it's like the best thing you could

644
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Speaker 2: be told at twelve years old is that you're a leader,

645
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 2: not what are you leading? What if you're leading like QAnon,

646
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Speaker 2: what if you're literally leading the charge to for the insurrection?

647
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Speaker 1: I mean I bet a lot of them were twelve

648
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Speaker 1: year old leaders.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well yes, I mean certainly cerebrally. It's just like,

650
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Speaker 2: it's very it's crazy that the fetishizing leadership. I mean

651
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Speaker 2: it's the same as fetishizing like business success, where it's like, well, okay,

652
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Speaker 2: a at what cost B to one end? Yeah, those

653
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: are the forbidden questions and our society. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very like okay, but leading what like yeah

655
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Speaker 1: it don't want to lead anything?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you'll have the like they did sort of within

657
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Speaker 3: the framework of leadership off or something for those who

658
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Speaker 3: were not leaders, and it was you know, what's even

659
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Speaker 3: more powerful than being a leader being the first follower.

660
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Speaker 1: That was like wow, did they say that?

661
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a big thing. It was like and

662
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 3: they even have this like viral video. I'm butchering this,

663
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 3: but in my head it exists as there's a bunch

664
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 3: of sheep and.

665
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 4: Like one sheep goes this way right and but it

666
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 4: takes the second sheep for then the rest of the

667
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 4: sheep to you know what I mean, like anywhere.

668
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 3: That's the idea was like anyone can be a leader,

669
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 3: but to discern, you know who the fascinating at least,

670
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 3: that was like sort of the sort of you could

671
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 3: I think that kids were.

672
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: First taste maker, first sheep is taste making?

673
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 2: Wow? Is it okay?

674
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 6: Now?

675
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know how I feel about that.

676
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: Am I against the first? Am I against the tastemaker's sheep?

677
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: Like?

678
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 2: Do I think that's a sort of toxic framework? Or

679
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 2: do I actually love that? Because if the tastemaker sheep

680
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 2: is queer coded in fact, don't you think like the leader,

681
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 2: the leader is straight, The leader is Barack Obama, but

682
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 2: the tastemaker sheep is you know, will I am writing

683
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 2: the Obama song? No?

684
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: I think I mean as unfortunately I idolize the tastemaker sheep.

685
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: I I you know, I remember following the taste maker

686
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: sheep on Twitter in like twenty twelve and just being

687
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: so influenced by tastemaker sheep and you're sorry. So I

688
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: feel very like I just hope to someone that I

689
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: am the tastemaker's sheep.

690
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: I know, to be the tastemaker sheep actually is such

691
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: a powerful position in culture I'm not realizing and talk

692
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 2: about like to go back to the conversation about slag,

693
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 2: It's like, at some point the tastemaker's sheep loses their

694
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: taste making abilities, like they either get too old to

695
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 2: be in touch with the culture. And I'm not saying

696
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 2: that in an ageous way, but just sort of like

697
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 2: they get out of touch. Let's say, Yeah, they snap

698
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 2: and become reactionary, or they misunderstand their own position and

699
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 2: think they're a leader rather than a taste maker sheep,

700
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 2: and so they start making like merch and it's like, well,

701
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 2: you just run an Instagram account that curates tiktoks.

702
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: And so okay, yeah, that's where the taste maker sheep

703
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: starts falling off for me, the Instagram accounts that just

704
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: curate TikTok and I think that.

705
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 3: The framework would then say, you know, well those are

706
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 3: the third, fourth, and fifth followers.

707
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,720
Speaker 2: Those are not followers, so an instagram So an instagram

708
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 2: that creates tiktoks can never be the tastemaker sheep. That's

709
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 2: sort of fourth, fifth, six.

710
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 3: I don't right, because yeah, you're right, that's already viral.

711
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, that is.

712
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 1: Very that's really true that there's literally like the one

713
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: million sheep.

714
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 2: Okay, so so it goes leader, Tastemaker, Curator.

715
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 3: The more we're talking, I'm sure this video wasn't of

716
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 3: sheep and I, but.

717
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 2: The way the way it has been cannon now for

718
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 2: it might as well be years.

719
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: No, like the merchant is being made.

720
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 2: The idea that you think there was any going back from.

721
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 1: This is like, I'm actually seeing all the sheep, and honestly,

722
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: I'm realizing that it's kind of a danger because we're

723
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: going to be having our listeners counting sheep in their

724
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 1: head and they can't be falling asleep.

725
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 2: No, And it's you know, it's like leader taste Maker curator,

726
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 2: Leader taste Maker Curator.

727
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: You're having the sheep. They're like, okay, so there's seventeen

728
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: sheep in the creative world.

729
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but not to go back to children's books.

730
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 2: This is a genius idea for a children's book, and

731
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: it actually like so perfectly describes our contemporary society like

732
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 2: to have. It's like the three sheep. One is a leader,

733
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: one is a tastemaker, one is a curator, which one

734
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 2: do you want to be? And each person has it's

735
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 2: the three personality types.

736
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 3: Oh my god, this is going to end up in

737
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 3: like it's going to be a company personality. Yeah, it

738
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 3: already feels very Meyers Briggs.

739
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. Wow. Wow.

740
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 2: Do you respond well to things like that where it's

741
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 2: like there are three types of people? There's four types

742
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 2: of people there, Like, is that something that compels you?

743
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 3: It's something that like, all right, honestly, like if I

744
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 3: take an if I take a little bit about all

745
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 3: I will be doing that for.

746
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 2: Twelve hours taking sure.

747
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 3: Sure, but it's not like I'm I'm sort of always like,

748
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 3: oh no, I'm glitching out again. Maybe this is a

749
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 3: forbidden question. I'm like, it's just sort of like, you know,

750
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 3: I can never talk about feeling like, I mean, there's

751
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 3: some true then it's also totally like fake and this

752
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 3: that you're you're telling a machine right, and then it's

753
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 3: spitting back exactly what you've just told it and reducing

754
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 3: what you right said.

755
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 2: But even like not a test but sort of a

756
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 2: framework that is your like the idea of introvert versus extrovert,

757
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 2: where it's like you get your energy from being around people,

758
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: where you get your dreaming alone or the idea or

759
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 2: even like astrology, like you know, is it like a

760
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 2: comforting thing to put yourself in a box.

761
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 1: I have the most embarrassing tale, okay regarding this, which

762
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: is you know this podcast. Like I said, it's edgy,

763
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: it's punk rock, it's nineteen seventy CBGB, Debbie Harry and

764
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 1: I we've always mocked sort of people that really lean

765
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: into the introvert extrovert thing, and it's sort of been like, yeah,

766
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: we get it. But recently I was around people for

767
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: a long time and I physically got sleepy in a

768
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: way that was like, oh, like I think I'm I

769
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: think I'm an introvert.

770
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 2: I've always sort of thought you were an interviewed.

771
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: And this is shocking to me because I was like, no,

772
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: I don't even I don't believe in it like everyone's everything. Yeah,

773
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: And now I'm like, oh no, I believe in it

774
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: so hard and I actually think I know where I fall.

775
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 2: Do you want to know what was a game changer

776
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 2: for me?

777
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: Oh?

778
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 2: Sorry, go ahead.

779
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 3: I'm just actual feeling bravee. I'm feeling like your first

780
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 3: follower through this. Yeah that I actually also recently really

781
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 3: started to identify as like an introvert.

782
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: Wow, really needed.

783
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 3: It to like not feel like crazy, and especially like

784
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 3: in comedy, there's totally yeah, way way too much, like

785
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 3: there's way too many social dynamics and like something about

786
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 3: being like, oh, I really like just who I am.

787
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 3: My natural baseline is not the same as these other

788
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 3: people and I it's just like it's nice you don't

789
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 3: like beat yourself up about like totally whatever.

790
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: No, I think that's true. Vulnerable moment.

791
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 3: Wow, well cringe a little bit.

792
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's okay.

793
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: I recently had a moment of deep connection to something.

794
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 2: I read a categorization schema that I read and this

795
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: is in the book Pure Color by Shila Hetty, and

796
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 2: it sort of starts out in it it's almost like

797
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 2: you're reading a biblical fairy tale or something in the beginning,

798
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 2: and it identifies three types of people bears, birds, and fish.

799
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 2: The birds see the world from a remove and they're

800
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 2: sort of like the cultural critics of the world. They're

801
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 2: like not making you know, intimate personal connections, but sort

802
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 2: of seeing the world that are removed and making grand

803
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 2: esthetic and you know, artistic judgments. Then there are the fish,

804
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 2: which are sort of like they care about social justice.

805
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 2: They are they care about everyone equally, and they care

806
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 2: about equality and things like that. And then there are

807
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,959
Speaker 2: the bears, who would develop personal connections and they sort

808
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 2: of can care deeply about like one to four people,

809
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 2: like they develop like intimate connections. Hmmm, And I was like,

810
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 2: this is actually a better framework than a lot of

811
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 2: the things out there. Would you say you're a fish,

812
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 2: bear or bird?

813
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: I have no idea, I'm I'm I'm still mulling it

814
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: over there.

815
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 2: Well we can check in at the end of the episode.

816
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 3: You don't think that, Like, wait, which one's the one

817
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 3: that has no close friends?

818
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: So which one's a loser?

819
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 2: But bird is like imagine liked Susan Sontag. She's like

820
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 2: out a remove, She's like judging society almost like from

821
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 2: outside of it.

822
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 1: Oh interesting.

823
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: But then fish are like want care about everyone equally

824
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 2: and wants social justice and equality, and bears bears are

825
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: like mother. Bears are like a really caring friend that

826
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 2: like has you know, thrives in like intimate personal relationships

827
00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 2: rather than big picture Which one are you? I mean?

828
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 2: I think I think I might be bird. This is

829
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 2: kind of what's the scariest one, and it's really scary.

830
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I could see you as bird. That I mean,

831
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 2: by the way I do develop intimate relationships you have,

832
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 2: so I don't have friends. But it's sort of like

833
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 2: I do feel like my instinct often is to like

834
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 2: try to to a fault almost like try to think

835
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 2: big picture and try to like I don't know, come

836
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 2: up with a diagnosis for what I'm seeing.

837
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: Sure, I see that this one seems This reminds me

838
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: of the representation question a little bit, because there feels

839
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,959
Speaker 1: like no way to pick one without being self aggrandize one.

840
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 2: Hundred Yeah, and because all of them are good. I mean,

841
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: either you are an iconic cultural critic, or you care

842
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 2: about social dresses, or you are like a really good friend, daughter, son, parent.

843
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

844
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 3: I okay, Well, I have a reading on the fish

845
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 3: one that isn't like I mean, I I don't not

846
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 3: care about social justice. Sure, I'm not saying this is

847
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 3: somebody who's like the most like you know, I would

848
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 3: never whatever. Okay, but I think I am a fish

849
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 3: in the sense that like I actually cannot like there

850
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 3: are so many people I defend that I don't like

851
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 3: that are not close to me yes, or that are

852
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 3: even problematic, like like like controversial figures like within a

853
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 3: community that everyone else is like you know, like I

854
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 3: really think, like I think a lot about like is

855
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 3: this fair? And like, uh really, I don't know, but

856
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 3: I almost think.

857
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 2: That's a bird impulse. Yeah, because you're like doing critical analysis,

858
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 2: Like I feel like fish is simpler. It's like wanting

859
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,959
Speaker 2: everyone to be equal. It's like not caring more about

860
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 2: someone who's closer to you than you do about someone

861
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 2: on the street. Like it's a sort of equalizing thing.

862
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: Whereas what you're doing, I think is is is like

863
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: critical analysis. What do you think?

864
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: I don't know.

865
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 3: I think I don't get what the bird is up to.

866
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: Pick a back a lap? Why is the fish social justice?

867
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: Like that seems like an oversimplification, Like I guess I'd

868
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: have to read the book to sort of see how

869
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: we got there. I think that could help inform Yeah,

870
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 1: because the bird I get like visually, oh yeah, they're removed.

871
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: Why they're seeing the world in this way.

872
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 2: I think fish think of like a school of fish

873
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 2: all moving together, you know, it's like more collectively minded.

874
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: Oh okay, sure, I think I neither fish or bear,

875
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 1: but I don't know which.

876
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 2: Wow, I feel like such a bitch for identifying as

877
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 2: a bird. Yeah, well your tweets say you are all right?

878
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 2: Well should we get into our topic?

879
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: Yeah?

880
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 2: So, Sabrina, Yeah, I would love it with all my

881
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 2: heart if you would tell us what topic you have

882
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 2: brought forth today for this episode.

883
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,439
Speaker 3: Sure, And I'm actually gonna try to move faster through

884
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 3: my sentences.

885
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 2: There is no reason to move faster or slow.

886
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 3: I need to get a thousand doves on this whole.

887
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: Sorry.

888
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 3: Sorry, Okay, I did, I did come I I wanted

889
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 3: to talk about homo eroticism.

890
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, m hm, I mean it's sort of the topic

891
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 2: that it's sort of the umbrella topic.

892
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is essentially what this podcast is about. Yeah

893
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: is that? So? What what led you to homrooticism? What

894
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: was your way into totally thank you as a straight topic?

895
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 3: Well, as I was like trying to come up with

896
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 3: something straight to talk about, I was gonna like talk

897
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 3: about anime and then like then my which I think

898
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 3: is some people think of as pretty queer, but I

899
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,919
Speaker 3: have like I have a pretty strong like I don't

900
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 3: I don't think so like interesting the women are have

901
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,439
Speaker 3: a very flat personality and the largest hits I've ever seen,

902
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 3: even if they're the strongest fight Okay, yeah, yeah, right,

903
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 3: So but the sort of pause is like, well, you know,

904
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 3: it's very homoerotic, like a lot of these characters are

905
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 3: sort of but it's like the fact that there is

906
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 3: this sort of concept of homoot right, like if it

907
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 3: were homosexual, that would be gay, but alas it's it's

908
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 3: homo erotic. Yes, like it's the what we're saying is

909
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,439
Speaker 3: it's so close, but it's actually not. And who even

910
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 3: wants that other than you know what I mean, there's

911
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 3: even closeted, closeted that's for gay, like that concept and

912
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 3: that's pretty homosexual.

913
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, am I making sense?

914
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 1: No, You're making actually so much sense.

915
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 2: It's the straightest thing you can be, because it is

916
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 2: saying this is not it's literally no homo it's saying

917
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 2: this is not gay.

918
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: I love the making them mutually exclusive homo eroticism and homosexuality,

919
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: I think is one very funny and two very I

920
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: see the truth in that. The anime point about, like

921
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: the women's huge tits and flat personalities, there is an

922
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: element to that where it's like, were these made by

923
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: gay men? Like oh sure, yeah.

924
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. When you you know, when you see misogyny out

925
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 2: in the wild, you always have to ask yourself is

926
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 2: this gay misogyny or great misogyny? Often the result, often

927
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 2: the result is pretty similar.

928
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like yeah, it's like, well, she is slaying right,

929
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:15,479
Speaker 1: but did she wants to say?

930
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 2: Is she a sexual object or is she iconic object?

931
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: No?

932
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 3: I think you're imagining these women like a little bit

933
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 3: too powerful, like they are sort.

934
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: Of like do you think Lara Croft is Lara Croft?

935
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 2: Is she's an iconic object?

936
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: She's iconic?

937
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 3: Is she an anime?

938
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 2: She she's a video? But I'm just thinking about other

939
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:45,240
Speaker 2: sort of like exaggerated fictional animated or animated adjacent women

940
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 2: who famously have giant breasts. Okay, okay, homism, How would

941
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: we define homorticism? I think maybe that's a good place

942
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 2: to start.

943
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: So it's two guys, two to four guys.

944
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it can be women.

945
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: Okay. And this is the first time hearing of this.

946
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 2: Like, Sam, women can be home erotic to one another.

947
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: I'm listening and I'm learning, Yeah, okay, okay, So it's

948
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 1: a group of people.

949
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just just to.

950
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 3: Say, as a non minor person, non min ne people

951
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 3: cannot cannot be erotic. It's never it's you're never lying.

952
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 3: This is you'd be like, no matter where they lean,

953
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 3: you're like, that's gay. That's really yeah.

954
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 2: Well that's sort of how it's. In that way, you

955
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 2: are breaking the ultimate bioneer between homeroticism and homosexuality.

956
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: Wow, wow, something you think about, something to think about.

957
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 2: To me, it's like it is the hint of everything,

958
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 2: but antal it is like the hint it is. It

959
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 2: is hinting at homosexuality, hinting at same sex attraction. Sure, sure,

960
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 2: but is it something more than that?

961
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 1: I mean, don't we refer to like those weird old

962
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: Greek art paintings that are like two guys like truly

963
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: going at it. Does that not kind as homoerotic?

964
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 2: Well that's that is a very good question, because you

965
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 2: do see actually like a truly three guys having full

966
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 2: on sex. Yeah, And people are like, wow, this is

967
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 2: so homorodic, and I'm.

968
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: Like, no, I think more than that.

969
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 2: That's actually porn.

970
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 3: But try sweetie, it is straight people who are goingrotic.

971
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, exact, Oh yeah, god, that's true.

972
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 2: Well Accusations of homoticism can almost be weaponized both ways,

973
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 2: because straight people can look at something fully gay and

974
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 2: be like, wow, I guess that's a little homerotic, and

975
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 2: then they're like straight washing it. But then gay people

976
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 2: can look at like, you know, Ben Affleck and Matt

977
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 2: Damon and be like that's homorotic. It's like, well, no,

978
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: you're like trying to make it get right. They're just friends. Yeah,

979
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 2: I think, huh, we don't know, we don't know.

980
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: Maybe that's their forbidden questions.

981
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:08,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it is sort of like the fact

982
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 2: that Ben Affleck's most lasting relationship is with Matt Damon,

983
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 2: and then he keep he sort of is dating an

984
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 2: iconic pop star Jennifer Lopez.

985
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,439
Speaker 1: It's kind of gay. That's really gay?

986
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 2: Actually, Yeah, so.

987
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, thoughts on like queer baiting and how it

988
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 3: that was like sort of my thought on the subway,

989
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 3: like how it fits into.

990
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 2: All of this talk about it forbidden question? Oh God,

991
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,240
Speaker 2: Like don't you think it is impossible? Like the idea

992
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 2: the concept of queer baiting is one of those things

993
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,720
Speaker 2: that I don't think I could form a coherent thought.

994
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 1: About the way that that is a circle always when

995
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: people start talking about it and always.

996
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 2: Like oh no, no, no, yeah, because my instinct to be

997
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 2: honest is to almost be like that is sort of

998
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 2: tumbler bullshit, and I don't and I don't care about it,

999
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 2: Like it literally does not make a difference to me

1000
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 2: that Timothy shallow May is playing a gay person yeah

1001
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 2: or sorry, which I realized is like a different that's

1002
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,280
Speaker 2: different than clear baiting, or that Timothy Schaumy is wearing

1003
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 2: a you know, bra on a red carpet, or Harry

1004
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 2: Styles or whatever.

1005
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1006
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, But then of course someone does toe the line

1007
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 2: too much, and then I do become upset who tows

1008
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 2: the line too much? Not toes the line, but like

1009
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I think Harry Styles is a good example.

1010
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 2: It's difficult to talk about this without while also being like,

1011
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 2: I actually don't like none of this is morally important.

1012
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 2: It's just annoying, don't you think like I think it is.

1013
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 2: I think you can be like it is annoying and

1014
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 2: it makes me roll my eyes when Harry Stoyles is

1015
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 2: like I've never identified as anything right when he's dating

1016
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 2: a little bit wild, But that doesn't mean I think

1017
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 2: he should be arrested No.

1018
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: I don't think he should be murdered. I think he

1019
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: should be allowed to put out more music if he

1020
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: wants to.

1021
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and by the way, talk about homeroticism, I actually

1022
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 2: think I think if you're gonna queer bait, go all

1023
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 2: the way. Like I love that Bruce Springsteen like makes

1024
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 2: that with that forgetting his name if you know, you know,

1025
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 2: he makes up like a member of a male member

1026
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 2: of his band, like and it's like a thing that

1027
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 2: people know about and he will like kiss him while

1028
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 2: they're on stage.

1029
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: Oh, I love that.

1030
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 2: Or like, who's the guy from Arctic Monkeys Alex Turner?

1031
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 2: He has like this other group and they always are

1032
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 2: like being intentionally like caressing each other's like pecks on

1033
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 2: stage and it's like everyone knows about it and it's

1034
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 2: fun and they're like almost making out and I'm sort

1035
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 2: of like, well, that's that's fun, and that's more fun

1036
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 2: to me than Harry Style is just wearing a dress. Yeah,

1037
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 2: what are your thoughts?

1038
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 3: My thoughts are I also break down, but this one

1039
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 3: and not to be so serious, but like the the

1040
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 3: only thing that gives me pause because I generally also

1041
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 3: find it like annoying. It's just like I don't know,

1042
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 3: Like it's also a lot like to like what's what's

1043
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 3: the what's the alternative? Like given a world where like

1044
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 3: Harry is like even like gender queer or like, it's

1045
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 3: just like when you're that famous, I feel like the

1046
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 3: stakes are insane, And to ask somebody to be like

1047
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 3: overtly gay, it's like, oh, like I'm wind of like

1048
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 3: and that's why I break down. Well, that's why I

1049
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 3: just jumped shit from this question because I'm like, I'm

1050
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 3: not I don't think queer baiting conceptually is great. I

1051
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 3: just think that like like cueerbating in a vacuum is

1052
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 3: not great. But like pushing somebody to like never seem

1053
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:24,479
Speaker 3: gay unless you're ready to fully commit to be openly gay,

1054
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 3: especially as like a world like in a world where

1055
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 3: there is so much like violence YouTube is scary. I'm

1056
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 3: sort of like, yeah, like do it, like does that

1057
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 3: make sense? Like the danger of crebating is like it's

1058
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,399
Speaker 3: very hard to tell if somebody is queer baiting or

1059
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 3: just like trying.

1060
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 2: To maybe kind of yeah, as like a twenty four

1061
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 2: year old or whatever, yeah whatever age Harry styles is. Yeah, Yeah,

1062
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 2: well did I ruin this party?

1063
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: No?

1064
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:52,919
Speaker 2: You didn't ruin it. You didn't ruin it. I think

1065
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 2: the I think we're at eight hundred doves. What do

1066
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 2: you think?

1067
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think those I also, I mean

1068
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 1: we're people being like I don't know.

1069
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 2: But I think it's but I think it's almost like

1070
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 2: it's a class. It's almost like weird that we haven't

1071
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 2: discussed the concept of creerbating on the pod because it

1072
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 2: seems so relevant to our interests.

1073
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: It seems so easy to be like to come off

1074
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: as ignorant when talking about this, because I am. I

1075
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 1: am more like, ugh, like this is so annoying. Yeah,

1076
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: like like if you're gonna be gay, be gay, and

1077
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: if you're not, the not or like even say like

1078
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: I'm questioning or something like there is a label. There

1079
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 1: are labels for a reason, and some people like Harry styles,

1080
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: it seems like there's I don't know, it seems like

1081
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: there's some authentic part of him that like wants to

1082
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 1: explore something and I celebrate that and if not, then

1083
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: this boy cuckoo. And but then there's like who's really

1084
00:52:56,320 --> 00:53:00,439
Speaker 1: bad at it, like like Charlie Pooth, Like I feel

1085
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: like he's one that it's like he He's just trying

1086
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: to get gay guys to like it.

1087
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 2: Okay, that is so funny that you say that, because

1088
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 2: I prefer Charlie Pooth's brand of queer baiting, because what

1089
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 2: Charlie Pooth will do is just post a picture of

1090
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 2: his ass and then have a funny captain. It's like, well,

1091
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 2: there's my ass, whereas what Harry Styles will do is

1092
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 2: launch a line of gender neutral clothing for Gucci. And

1093
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 2: to me, I actually prefer Charlie Pooth just posting a

1094
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 2: photo of his ass like that actually feels regardless of

1095
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 2: whether he literally is a He's like sitting back there

1096
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 2: in his layer and is like, I'm gonna get these

1097
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 2: gay guys to press like on this. Even if it's

1098
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:42,760
Speaker 2: completely inauthentic whatever, it feels at least fun and spontaneous

1099
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,439
Speaker 2: in a way that like Harry Styles launching a brand

1100
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 2: of nail polish does not. Sure Sure, Sure that makes sense,

1101
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 2: And I feel like the best sort of like non

1102
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 2: gay you know, when I think of like prints, or

1103
00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 2: when I think of like, I don't know other people

1104
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 2: that have played with gender over the years without necessarily

1105
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 2: be like coming out and being like I'm gay, It's

1106
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 2: that it comes from a place of like fun mm hmm,

1107
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,720
Speaker 2: rather than a place of like calculated branding and profit

1108
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 2: and profit.

1109
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. So if you want to explore with your presentation

1110
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: or your sexuality, go for it. Yeah, but don't you

1111
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 1: make a damn dime until I'm rich, Sabrina.

1112
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 2: If you were to launch a brand that that that

1113
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 2: targeted the LGBTQ plus community, what sort of product do

1114
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 2: you think you would launch?

1115
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 3: Oh my god, oh I would I would get lesbians

1116
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 3: like a hat that cannot go backwards?

1117
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 2: Wow?

1118
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 3: Is that okay to say?

1119
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: No? Yes? Well, this is always the question is how

1120
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: do you enforce that?

1121
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,879
Speaker 2: Right? Well, it would start like making a noise when

1122
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 2: it was turning the other way.

1123
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: It would just be like maybe there's like a weight

1124
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,439
Speaker 1: in it where it's like this, like you could spin

1125
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: it around as much as you want, but the bill

1126
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: always moves to the front. Oh my god. Yeah, like

1127
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: maybe it's like a magnet.

1128
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, yes, it could be done with

1129
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 2: magnetic properties.

1130
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 3: I'm actually gonna do this in my life now.

1131
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: That's perfect. Oh, I think that's genius.

1132
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 3: And you agree, like there's something about.

1133
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 2: That is not our place to say, Sabrina and if

1134
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 2: that's how you feel, then absolutely, like make that and

1135
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 2: make that pronouncement on our podcast. But you're not going

1136
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 2: to trick us into agreeing with you that lesbian should

1137
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 2: not wear backwards hats.

1138
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 3: It's not even like that. It's and I'm look, I

1139
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 3: love every lesbian, not all equally clearly, but yeah, well

1140
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 3: you're not a fish, right, I'm unfortunately the bird.

1141
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: You're a bird.

1142
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 2: You're a burd in the sense that you're like, why

1143
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 2: are all these lesbians ring back?

1144
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 3: Well, it's just that I guess, like if I had

1145
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:08,399
Speaker 3: to see my preference, like I prefer lesbians. Oh you know, well,

1146
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 3: I think of lesbians on on a spectrum, right, there

1147
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 3: are the best beautiful lesbians lesbians right.

1148
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 6: Okay, beautiful, Yeah, the spectrum lesbians in their reckwords hats

1149
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 6: who when I see them in the audience of a

1150
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 6: stand up show, I'm scared, like I'm actually scared that

1151
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 6: they will Okay, And then on the other side of

1152
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 6: the spectrum, a lot of them, honestly are It actually

1153
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 6: gets buyer.

1154
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 3: On this side. But it's like it's the turtleneck, big pants,

1155
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 3: oh kind of and I generally sort ofs not lipstick, no, no, no,

1156
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 3: there's in fact no lipstick, no actively chapstick, like it's that,

1157
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 3: but it's like it's it's the tumbr hoe but not

1158
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 3: even like it can be just more like more like

1159
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 3: a lit like a quiet meaning o versus like loud sporty.

1160
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: Got it right, it's Rooney Mara and Carol No? Is

1161
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: that the actress? Ye? Carol? Yeah, thank you.

1162
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 2: So you're you're saying Tumblr thought your words.

1163
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 3: I guess that's what I'm saying, Like Tumblr thought on

1164
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 3: this side, and I kind of don't really like.

1165
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 2: Already backwards hat on one side, Tumblr thought on the

1166
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 2: other right, and I'm.

1167
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 3: Sort of calling between both worlds, like in terms of

1168
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 3: like I love like, I don't like read a lot

1169
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 3: and that, but I did play like a lot of sports,

1170
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 3: like you know, but there's just something about like the

1171
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 3: backwards hat where I'm just sort of like, to me,

1172
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 3: there's a lot less like let's think about queering the world.

1173
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 3: It's a lot of like I love women, I love like,

1174
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 3: I love drinking my beers and like, and I guess

1175
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 3: it's or and it's not even like every lesbian with

1176
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 3: the backwards hat is is is like that, but they

1177
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 3: are perpetuating that culture, because that is a symbol, that

1178
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 3: kind of a hate symbol.

1179
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, you like equal waits?

1180
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 3: Any other Uh well I don't know any other symbols.

1181
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, No, you can't think of one.

1182
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 2: I mean, wow, I d bleep that out if you

1183
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 2: if you're a lesbian wearing a backwards hat, you might

1184
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 2: as well be wearing a.

1185
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 3: You actually have to cut that out, George.

1186
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 2: Can you just bleep it?

1187
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 3: Use their imagination about, you know, sort of what Yeah,

1188
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 3: came to my mind.

1189
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot of bleeping this.

1190
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is really maybe we should advertise it even

1191
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: as like Stradio labs censored like never before.

1192
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sabrina, do you feel like when a lesbian? I'm

1193
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 2: not even gonna ask how you're going to police that

1194
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 2: these hats only be worn by lesbians. I'm just gonna

1195
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 2: assume there's a framework in mind. But let's say they're

1196
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 2: only worn by lesbians. Is your goal for the person

1197
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 2: who wears his hat to then sort of of be

1198
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 2: led to self reflection? They try to turn it around,

1199
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 2: it doesn't go around, and then they're like, wait a minute,

1200
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 2: what am I trying to do by turning my head around?

1201
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 3: Exactly like when you try to turn around, it says

1202
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 3: things like don't say shoddy or don't like, don't like

1203
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 3: if you're what you know what I mean, Like it's

1204
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 3: it's actually specifically maybe for white and Asian lesbians, or

1205
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 3: like you know what I mean, like light skin lesbians

1206
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 3: cannot you know what I'm trying to avoid. It's what

1207
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 3: is that called? Like a hey, mama, lesbian? I want

1208
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 3: to it's not. It's not eugenics is I'm not like

1209
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 3: killing them? No, like I think there should be fewer.

1210
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 3: I think there should be fewer. And then it's not,

1211
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 3: that's not who lesbians are like at their core.

1212
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: You can put one of those types of lesbians in

1213
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: a museum totally and then the others will change.

1214
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 3: Just inside the glass with Noe's going to see this?

1215
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 2: But you know, you know what, ye oh, my god,

1216
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 2: my god. If I were to describe what Sabrina is doing,

1217
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 2: I would say, imagine the emoji that's biting his lip.

1218
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that.

1219
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 2: Is sort of the vibe. That's the kind of lesbian

1220
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 2: vibe that you're talking about. Yes, I can picture it

1221
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 2: so well. And in fact, the biting of the lip

1222
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 2: is even more evocative than the backwards hat in some ways.

1223
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: I mean the way that you've painted a picture. I

1224
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: wish there was video. I feel I know this person you.

1225
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 3: Know yeah, yeah, well you know someone who used to

1226
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 3: be one.

1227
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 2: I used to you used to be the really.

1228
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 3: I mean, I was never a hey mom, there's no

1229
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 3: pard of me that could you know?

1230
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1231
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: Did you say shoddy?

1232
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 3: No?

1233
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: No?

1234
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 3: But I was so close, like did I definitely wanted to.

1235
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 3: I was like, I want to ask my girl out

1236
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 3: to pro.

1237
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 2: Dance, and when she would like saying my girl or

1238
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 2: even like god forbid my lady?

1239
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 3: Right, Never my lady never said my girl out loud,

1240
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 3: but definitely thought that way, you know what I mean.

1241
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 3: Like internally, I was like, why is she going to

1242
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 3: problem with that guy? Like I'm just as good at

1243
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 3: sports as him, and and I I can dance like

1244
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 3: I'm so good at like you know, it's just like

1245
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 3: whatever whatever.

1246
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: Maybe she knew that he was a really good leader.

1247
01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 3: He wasn't.

1248
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: I was like a later, Wow, I thought you were

1249
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,439
Speaker 1: dropping balls. Oh my god.

1250
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 3: Wow, I'm like really learning a lot about how I

1251
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 3: does that happen to you? Where you're like as you age,

1252
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 3: you're like your conception of your earlier self, Like, oh,

1253
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 3: you talk, You're like, we I don't know what I

1254
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 3: think of how.

1255
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: I was like, it's hard to create a succinct narrative,

1256
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: and like we we talk about how we both think

1257
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: of ourselves as like we were really good boys, and

1258
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: so now we kind of feel like we can be

1259
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: really bad and be like, well everyone knows we're good boys,

1260
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 1: and it's like no, like it's kind of like you

1261
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,439
Speaker 1: can slay and then you can stop playing. But yeah,

1262
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: for how long until people just in terms of being

1263
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: a good boy?

1264
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and yeah in the frame and the in

1265
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 2: a family framework, slaying means being a good boy. But

1266
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 2: I also, I mean, I've talked about this before, but

1267
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 2: to me, the episode of thirty Rock where Liz realizes

1268
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:51,959
Speaker 2: that she used to be a bully when she thought

1269
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 2: that she used to be the victim. Do you know

1270
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about?

1271
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, that's like the first episode.

1272
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 2: Right, She like goes to her high school where you know,

1273
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 2: and she thinks that all these popular girls bullied her,

1274
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 2: but in fact, what happened was that she was so

1275
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 2: afraid of being bullied that she would like preemptively be

1276
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 2: like what's the deal with your mom's pill addiction? Like

1277
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 2: to the popular girl whatever, that's like one of the

1278
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 2: lines whatever. And I do I mean not to say

1279
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 2: that I was that bad, but I do think it

1280
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 2: was a form of self preservation where like, because you

1281
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 2: don't want to be the butt of a joke, you

1282
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 2: then speak out of turn and like make fun of

1283
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 2: someone or like think you're punching up, but it's like,

1284
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 2: well that is still a thirteen year old boy.

1285
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, but uh no, to answer your question,

1286
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: we know exactly who we are and we always know

1287
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 1: who we've been, and.

1288
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, all narratives are linear.

1289
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 1: And yeah wow wow, well homeoticism, yeah, I actually think

1290
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: we like randomly got deeper than that.

1291
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 2: I completely agree. I'm trying to think of like what

1292
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 2: is the straightest Oh my god, wait, we haven't even

1293
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 2: talked about this. What talk about women in homerooticism. The

1294
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 2: epitome of straight homeoroticism is like the dorm poster of

1295
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 2: two girls making out, do you know what I mean?

1296
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 2: Like like or like the beer ad were the twins

1297
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 2: where it's like I love twins, like that sort of Sabrina.

1298
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 3: You look well, yeah, I guess I'm I just don't

1299
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 3: know this dorm post.

1300
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so I think maybe you're like truly like

1301
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 2: a couple of generation younger, but like people listening know,

1302
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 2: there is a poster. It's a black and white photo

1303
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 2: of two girls. Two two girls very sort of like

1304
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 2: conventionally attractive thin girls in like underwear and like a

1305
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 2: tank with no bra exactly, and they are about to

1306
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Speaker 2: kiss or maybe in the process. I think they're making

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01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 2: I think they're they're actively making out. But it's like

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01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 2: that is.

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Speaker 1: It was in like half of all dorm rooms for

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Speaker 1: for like I think a decade.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then of course, like to you know, it was.

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Speaker 1: Like that in the pulp fiction poster like.

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Speaker 8: Oh, that one is still around with the bananas or

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01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:09,479
Speaker 8: like think about or think about the Rolling Stone cover

1315
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 8: that was Blake Lively and Layton Measter licking an ice

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01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 8: cream cone?

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Speaker 2: Does that bring any bells? Not as many, but you

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01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 2: can clearly imagine what I'm saying, Yeah, simply just the

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01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 2: two of them both licking the same ice cream cone.

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Speaker 2: All I'm saying is like men fetishizing lesbianism is the

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01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:27,479
Speaker 2: ultimate sort of homerooticism is straight.

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01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 1: Of course that's true.

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01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 2: Homoism for straight consumption, for straight consumption, and then for

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01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 2: man what would it be?

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01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 1: It would be the Abercrombie guy exactly in two thousand

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01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 1: and three.

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01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, abercrom Againstwosan and three and also soccer players after

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01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 2: they win, when they all are just like literally fingering

1329
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 2: each other, like why do they do that? It's actually insane,

1330
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:54,640
Speaker 2: Like they need to stop talk about queer baiting. And

1331
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 2: we're putting Harry Styles on the cross.

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01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, put the UK soccer team on blast, like what

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01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 1: are they doing in.

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01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 2: Any final thoughts on home eroticism?

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01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:16,919
Speaker 3: No, just thanks, And I can't believe I missed such

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01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 3: a huge topic, like.

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01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, I'm really excited about

1338
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 2: the launch of the hat.

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01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 3: Thank you.

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01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't wait for that party.

1341
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 2: And we're we do operate an investment fund and we're

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01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 2: looking for things to invest in, and we especially love

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01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 2: queer creators.

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01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 3: I think legally I could not make this hot without you,

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01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 3: given that I will use patent magnet.

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01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 2: To rare right, and that was our idea. Yeah yeah

1347
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 2: from the lab yeah literally literally wow wow, Okay, will

1348
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 2: you introduce our finals? I would be honored and overjoyed

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01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 2: our final segment Sabrina is called shout outs, and in

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01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 2: this segment we pay homage to a classic straight art

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01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 2: form called the radio shout out Thank TRL think a

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01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 2: radio more show. On Z one hundred. We are shouting

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01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 2: out to something that is making us say, Okay, Sam,

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01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 2: do you have one?

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01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 1: Sure? What's up? Everyone around the globe? I love you,

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01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 1: I see you, and I want to give a quick

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01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 1: shout out to riding my bike. I have not been

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01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 1: riding my bike as much recently. I blame the pandemic,

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01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 1: and then I blame sort of leaving the house less generally.

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01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 1: And today I met a friend for lunch and I

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01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 1: rode my bike, just a short, little fifteen minute bike ride,

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01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 1: and I said, this puts me in an incredible mood.

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01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 1: I feel my mind is cleared. I feel in touch

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01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 1: with the city of New York, and I feel like, yeah,

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01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 1: I'm still rough and tumble. I'm still a guy who

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01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: rides a bike somewhere and maybe a carl passed me

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01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 1: and go hey, stop it, and I take up space

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01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 1: in the road, and I'm happy to do it. I

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01:06:57,120 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 1: think that's why my ass the way it does, because

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01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 1: of all those biking years. And I just want to say,

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01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 1: I love you bike riding. You make me feel whole.

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Speaker 2: Woo wow wow. I think that's why my ass looks

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01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 2: the way it was. What are the hotter statements you've

1374
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 2: said on this podcast recently? Yeah, you know, sometimes you

1375
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 2: gotta lean in or lean back. I'll say, let's see,

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01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of one. I know you gave

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01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 2: me so much time, and yet I still am coming

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01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 2: up blank. This is truly insane. This is the second

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01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 2: time this has happened to me this week.

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01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 1: You've got it.

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01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Okay, okay, what's up everybody out there.

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01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 2: It's your boy, George, and sorry for introducing myself as such.

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01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 2: We'll have flaws. I want to give a shout out,

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01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 2: respectfully and honorably to my favorite breakfast of choice recently,

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01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 2: which is a piece of toast, cottage cheese, pistachios, and

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01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 2: then cracked black pepper. I'm telling you, com mind this

1387
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 2: baby with a friend pot of Joe, and you are cooking.

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01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 1: Wow.

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01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 2: And I've already shouted out good culture cottage trees on

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01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 2: this podcast, but at this point it was years ago.

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01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 2: So for all our union listeners, go out there, get

1392
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 2: some good culture, cottage cheese, get some bread of your choosing.

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01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 2: Get some shelled pistachios. I know it seems so glamorous

1394
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 2: and so expensive, but you have to treat yourself to

1395
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 2: shelled pistachios. Put a couple of them on. I'm talking

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01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 2: no more than five to six, and then if you

1397
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:31,720
Speaker 2: don't mind getting messy, sprinkle some olive oil on it.

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01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 2: And if you are sort of on the go, just

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01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 2: the black pepper will do. And then go about your day.

1400
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 2: I guarantee you you will get that big client, you

1401
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 2: will land that big meeting, and you will get that job.

1402
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 2: Why because you had a good breakfast.

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01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 1: Whoo. I love that you're a breakfast freak.

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01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 2: I'm not like a I know that when we were

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01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 2: together in La famously, I kept having three eggs every morning.

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01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 2: You were like so addiction. I know, and I do

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01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 2: love making breakfast into an event. But when I'm working,

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01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 2: I love just like that's sort of small. I mean,

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01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 2: I'm talking one piece of toast, Like just like to

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01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 2: have a tiny meal to just wet your appetite for

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01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,679
Speaker 2: lunch and know that in three short hours you'll eat again.

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01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 2: There's nothing like it. Wow, are you a breakfast person.

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01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 3: I am a breakfast person since that I love when

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01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:23,600
Speaker 3: I get I think that in the morning, I'm the

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01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 3: most open minded. And the foods that I do think

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01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:27,839
Speaker 3: eggs are gross.

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01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 1: Wow, but you.

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01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 2: Don't like eggs.

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01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 1: I mean I eat them, but they feel very gross. Yeah,

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01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 1: I eat them.

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01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 3: And it's just like I think the morning is a

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01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 3: special time, like I think, yeah, it must be an

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01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 3: enjoyable time to eat, because I'm eating the foods I

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01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 3: would never eat past the hour of like toast, eggs, Yeah, yogurt,

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01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 3: They're all kind of like.

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01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 2: I've been. Really, I've been struggling Grandma so much. Like

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01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 2: I I just am never in the mood for yogurt,

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01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Not like that makes one

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01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:03,720
Speaker 2: of us anyway, you're ready, feel free to go for.

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01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 3: It, Okay, I'm all right, Okay, Hey, so we're gonna loser. Hi, okay, Hi,

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01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 3: I'm so so oh my god, there's gonna be a

1432
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 3: soundtrack underneath this, too hot.

1433
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:16,839
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay.

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01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,799
Speaker 3: I have to shout out. I love all of my followers,

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01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:23,920
Speaker 3: but there's one there's one fan in particular that I

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01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 3: have to shut up, mostly because actually, two and a

1437
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 3: half years ago. He said to me, if you ever

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01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:31,680
Speaker 3: get on Stradio Lab, there is this segment cold shout out,

1439
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 3: and it would actually mean the world to me if

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01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 3: you shouted me out.

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01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 7: He is somebody that I that I auditioned for many

1442
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 7: All on Guard plays he directed in college, and yeah,

1443
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 7: he casted me into the ensemble. He's so hot, but sorry, fellas,

1444
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:46,719
Speaker 7: he's taken and he's so delightful.

1445
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 3: A huge fan of the Pond, Thomas Peterson. The shout

1446
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 3: out goes to you.

1447
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 1: Woo, oh my god.

1448
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:54,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh wow, Thomas.

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01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 1: Wow, unbelievable.

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01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 2: That was incredible.

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01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:00,960
Speaker 1: That was amazing. Do you ever get like reminded that

1452
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 1: people actually listen to this podcast and go whoa not

1453
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 1: if I can help it, I'm like, how the hell

1454
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 1: did he hear about this?

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01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:10,479
Speaker 3: Oh wow, it's crazy. He got like all my everyone

1456
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 3: that I did like plays with in college obsessed with

1457
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:15,599
Speaker 3: those podcasts. That's actually why I was like, I need

1458
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 3: to because people are gonna listen. To be honest, it

1459
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 3: feels like I'm auditioning again for a play, like I

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01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 3: feel stressed.

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01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 5: Well, let me tell you that this Sabrina, you got

1462
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 5: the row you booked, Thank you, thank you.

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01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 2: Than Wow, thanks so much for doing the po I

1464
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 2: always love ending on a sort of self congratulatory note. Yeah,

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01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 2: good job George, and good job to you. Well, thank

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01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 2: you everyone for listening, especially good job job and to you. Yeah,

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01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 2: and honestly, great job Thomas, because you know what Thomas

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01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 2: is first sheep for sheep influencer, Sheep, Tastemakers Sheep. That's

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01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,679
Speaker 2: a tastemakers. Yeah, we have to go, but taste maker

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01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:55,480
Speaker 2: sheep is one of the most incredible inventions.

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01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:58,879
Speaker 1: That's the name of the hat company.

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01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:02,759
Speaker 2: Yeah and yeah, and my challenge to everyone is spend

1473
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:05,679
Speaker 2: just spend some time thinking about the sheep framework, because

1474
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:06,720
Speaker 2: it's actually genius.

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01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 1: Goodbye, goodbye podcast ends.

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01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 2: Now for our visual learners, you can watch full video

1477
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 2: episodes on our YouTube channel and.

1478
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:19,439
Speaker 1: Subscribe to our Patreon for two extra episodes a.

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01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 2: Month at patreon dot com. Slash Stradio Lab.

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01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 1: Stradio Lab is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money

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01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 1: Players Network and iHeart Podcasts.

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01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 2: Created and hosted by me George Severs and Sam Taggart.

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01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 1: Executive produced by Jenna Cagel, co produced by Becca Ramos.

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01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:36,759
Speaker 2: Edited by Laurence Thump, and mixed and mastered by Doug Bain.

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01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 1: Artwork by Michael Failes and Matt Grubb. The music by

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Speaker 1: Ben Kling