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Speaker 1: gonna get some big picture perspective on the draft as

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Speaker 1: And we are joined by Tony Pauline of Draft at

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Speaker 1: Draft Analysts dot Com. Tony got Lance Medal, Paul Detino

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Speaker 1: I've appreciate the time. How's everything today busy? And thanks

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Speaker 1: for having me. Oh, thanks for coming on, Tony. Always

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Speaker 1: great to talk to one of the fellow dinosaurs. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate it for sure. That's it. That's it. That's it.

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Speaker 1: Who says it's a young man's game, right, and hey,

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Speaker 1: that's because we don't have to play it all right, Tony,

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Speaker 1: Let's let's get right to it, because you had something

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Speaker 1: that just came out I guess in the last twenty

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Speaker 1: sexy position the quarterbacks. Will Greer not a guy who's

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Speaker 1: been talked about much in the first round conversation you

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Speaker 1: the Giants in your text as a team that has

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Speaker 1: certainly had some good thoughts about him. Yeah, he's been

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Speaker 1: right exactly that early, that early second round selection that

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Speaker 1: his tape is inconsistent, which bothers me. But if you

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Speaker 1: My problem Will Greer is he was a little bit streaky.

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Speaker 1: here as we continue to talk NFL draft today. Our

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Speaker 1: Jets really want to trade down, and what you're saying

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Speaker 1: is true. Both quarterbacks are gonna have to go on

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Speaker 1: the top five in order for one of those players

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Speaker 1: that you mentioned to slide down. I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: gonna happen, especially with the Raiders drafting in front of

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Speaker 1: the Giants, especially with the Tampa Bay Bucks. Both of

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Speaker 1: those teams to take would take a Quinny and Williams

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Speaker 1: would take a Josh Allen. I think it would be

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Speaker 1: very tough for any of those three players, especially Nick Bosa.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think the only way that the Jets

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Speaker 1: don't trade down or don't really look to trade down,

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Speaker 1: is if Nick Bosa lands in their laps at number three.

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Speaker 1: I think it would be a stretch for any of

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Speaker 1: those three guys to fall to number six. With the

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Speaker 1: Giants are selecting. We're talking with Tony Pauline Draft Analyst

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Speaker 1: dot Com Tony before we let you go on the

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Speaker 1: subject of the quarterback position. This weekend, there was a

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Speaker 1: tweet sent out by Charles Robinson of Yahoo Sports that said,

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Speaker 1: there's a team with Daniel Jones is their number one

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Speaker 1: quarterback on their board, and you'll know exactly who the

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Speaker 1: team is. And then the social media world was flipped

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Speaker 1: upside down, which is both surprised given this time, but

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Speaker 1: the reason I'm posing that to you. First of all,

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Speaker 1: a quarterback being number one on the team's board doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean he's the number one player on the board and

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean he's going to be their first pick. That's

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Speaker 1: number one. I think that's important to note. But with

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Speaker 1: that being said, how crazy how much of it is

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Speaker 1: stretched to say that Daniel Jones could be taken much

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Speaker 1: higher than maybe most people expect in this draft. Well,

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Speaker 1: it depends on where people expect him to be drafts.

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Speaker 1: I've always had him as a mid to late first

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Speaker 1: round choice, so if he goes in the top ten,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, that's a major reach. I don't see

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Speaker 1: that happening. I will tell you this. You know, when Dan,

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Speaker 1: when that tweet came out, everyone assumed over what I saw.

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Speaker 1: And I don't spend a whole lot of time with Soldier,

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Speaker 1: but everyone, I assume thought it was the New York

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Speaker 1: Giants I know that the Giants as well as the

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Speaker 1: Washington Redskins really fell in love with Daniel Jones at

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Speaker 1: the Pro Day. They liked them beforehand, but I was

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Speaker 1: told at the Pro Day is really when the connection

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Speaker 1: started to be made. So it's quite possible. You talked

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Speaker 1: about the trade for Josh Rosen. You know, if the

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Speaker 1: Washington Redskins can't trade for Josh Rosen, could absolutely see

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Speaker 1: the Redskins taking uh Daniel Jones in the middle part

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Speaker 1: of round one. And why not. I mean, Jones is

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Speaker 1: one of those guys that I feel people have poked

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Speaker 1: holes in his game throughout the whole process. He had

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Speaker 1: he had, he was outstanding the first day of Senior

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Speaker 1: Bowl practice, then he kind of cooled off. But if

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Speaker 1: you watch Daniel Jones career with Duke, he had a

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Speaker 1: very good got a three year career with Duke. He

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Speaker 1: wasn't outstanding, But the fact is that he had marginal

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Speaker 1: talent around him. He didn't have the the receivers that

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Speaker 1: Haskins had at Ohio State. He didn't play in the

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Speaker 1: system that Drew Lock played in the Missouri or had

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Speaker 1: the pass catchers that Drew Lock had. He didn't have

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Speaker 1: the offensive one in front of him that Kyler Murray

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Speaker 1: had at Oklahoma. So this guy, Daniel Jones, really had

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Speaker 1: to do a lot with a little and he did

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Speaker 1: a good job of it. And obviously he's been coached

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Speaker 1: incredibly well. I may just say the name of David

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Speaker 1: Cutliffe and and giant fans. No, no, that need uh

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Speaker 1: So I think that Daniel owns in my opinion, I

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Speaker 1: had him at point at points that the New England

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Speaker 1: Patriots selecting him. I think he's well worth the mid

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Speaker 1: A selection in the middle part around one hop pen,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I think that's a bit of a stretch

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Speaker 1: on my board. I know we're stretching you hear, just

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Speaker 1: another minute, Tony, But but I'll tell you what I've

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Speaker 1: I've determined that my sleeper quarterback who doesn't get enough

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Speaker 1: inc and it's because I went back and looked at

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Speaker 1: his two thousand seventeen tape is Jared Stenham of all Burn.

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Speaker 1: I just I got a good feeling about this guy. Again,

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Speaker 1: not from looking at his two thousand and eighteen stuff,

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Speaker 1: but his two thousand seventeen stuff kind of kind of

506
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Speaker 1: got my blood percolating just a bit. I think he's

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Speaker 1: the sleeper quarterback of this draft. I really do. I

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Speaker 1: love stid Him. If you follow me during the summer,

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Speaker 1: I do I do pieces. I do sections where I

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Speaker 1: look at every single college team in the nation and

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Speaker 1: I look at it from an NFL draft point of view.

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Speaker 1: And back in August, I thought that Jared stid Him,

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Speaker 1: based off the two thousand seventeen film as you spoke about,

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Speaker 1: would contend to be the top quarterbacks in this year's draft.

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Speaker 1: Didn't happen for him. Had a terrible year at Auburn.

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Speaker 1: Part of it was the offensive line, part of it

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Speaker 1: was no running game. Part of it was him himself,

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Speaker 1: and I mean he just didn't play well, and it

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Speaker 1: was he was not a good fit for that Auburn offense.

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Speaker 1: He went to the Senior Bowl, he was hands down

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Speaker 1: the best quarterback of the Senior Bowl. Went to the Combine,

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Speaker 1: he was hands down the best quarterback at the Combine.

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Speaker 1: So you've got a very talented guy, excellent size, next

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Speaker 1: level arm strength, very accurate. You know. The knock on

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Speaker 1: him now is he looks great throwing the ball in

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Speaker 1: shorts and the quarterback. But as you said, if you

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Speaker 1: go back to two thousand seventeen and you watched the film.

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Speaker 1: He looked like a top notch NFL quarterback. It's just

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Speaker 1: a matter of coaching, coaching him to work to the

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Speaker 1: point where he was leaving that two thousand seventeen season

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Speaker 1: and building upon what he showed at the Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 1: At the Combine, I am in total agreement with you.

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Speaker 1: I think Stidham is going to be a steel of

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Speaker 1: of a pick in the second day of the draft.

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Speaker 1: If he's coached properly and developed, you're gonna have his

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Speaker 1: starting quarterback your roster with him. He is Tony Pauline,

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Speaker 1: Draft Analysts dot Com. Tony should be an exciting week.

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Speaker 1: Greatly appreciate the time in the insight. Look forward to

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Speaker 1: talking to you down the road. Thanks again, Thanks thanks

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Speaker 1: for having me. Guys, you got it. That is Tony Pauline,

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Speaker 1: once again weighing in on some of the rumblings the

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Speaker 1: rumors in the few days leading up to the NFL Draft.

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Speaker 1: Two zero one four five one three. Here is the

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Speaker 1: telephone number. A reminder, Big Blue Kickoff Live presented by

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Speaker 1: Amazing Giants prizes. All right, We're gonna open up the

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Speaker 1: phone lines and hear what you have to say, the

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Speaker 1: speculation and everything in between. Tony to another, Tony, Tony

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Speaker 1: in Manhattan, Tony, welcome to the program. Gonna go for us. Hey,

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Speaker 1: what's going on? Guys? Is everything going today? I'm excited

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Speaker 1: for a draft week, hi, and I'm excited to get

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Speaker 1: it over with. But let's go all right, So just

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Speaker 1: a quick question, Um, what do you guys think about

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Speaker 1: loved Hate? Would you guys look for the Giants trade

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Speaker 1: down from the six pigs next of the example to

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Speaker 1: Oakland and take both? Well, there's no there's no way

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Speaker 1: if I were the Giants that I would trade my

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Speaker 1: number six. Now, if you want to talk about trading

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Speaker 1: the seventeen, I was. I was kind of scratching something

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Speaker 1: here on on my pad earlier before the show, because

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Speaker 1: I still believe that if I'm the Giants, based on

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Speaker 1: the things that that Gettleman has said about the strength

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Speaker 1: of the draft and how many rounds there are, I

564
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Speaker 1: think he's gonna want to try to get something between

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Speaker 1: his pick number thirty seven and pick number nine. I

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Speaker 1: wrote about this on giants dot Com on our on

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Speaker 1: our website. I think somewhere in there, he's gonna want

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Speaker 1: to pick one up. I don't think you do this

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Speaker 1: to do it with the six, but I could see

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Speaker 1: him potentially taking the seventeen and going down five spots

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Speaker 1: or so, because that could boost okay, that could boost

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Speaker 1: him into somewhere in the middle of the third round

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Speaker 1: to move down maybe five or six spots in round one.

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Speaker 1: That would that would give him that extra pick and

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Speaker 1: give him too in the third round instead of only one,

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Speaker 1: and the first one would be mid third. I could

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Speaker 1: see that making a lot of sense. I think a

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Speaker 1: lot depends on who's still on the board at that point.

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Speaker 1: And of course, of course, during Gentleman's predraft press conference,

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Speaker 1: he was asked, what do you think of the six

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Speaker 1: and the seventeenth pick yielding two guys that you're really

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Speaker 1: high on, And I'm paraphrasing the question, and his answer was,

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Speaker 1: there will be two guys that we could walk away

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Speaker 1: with that we would correct exactly. So once again, read

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Speaker 1: into that as much as you wish. But I think

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Speaker 1: if you get to seventeen and there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of surprising developments and guys were taken off the board,

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Speaker 1: then I think you have more ammunition to say, hey,

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Speaker 1: what's the harm in moving down three or four more spots?

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Speaker 1: But if you really love somebody and then the board

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Speaker 1: starts to weaken, then I think you have to use

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Speaker 1: the seventeen. I'll add this too, if clel and Ferrell

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Speaker 1: really is dropping, and as as you heard my discussion

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Speaker 1: with Tony Pauline, I don't understand why I would not

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Speaker 1: have a problem him taking him at six. But if

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Speaker 1: he's on the board at seventeen, then I'm not trading

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Speaker 1: the pick because I'm running up after that podium so

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Speaker 1: fast you won't be able to see me. I'll be

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Speaker 1: faster than the speed of light to grab Cleveland ferreroll

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Speaker 1: at seventeen. That would be a steal. Now, I got

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Speaker 1: one more question for you guys. What happens if, for

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Speaker 1: whatever reason, um Kylin Murray dropped to six drops to

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Speaker 1: a spender the labs. Uh, what do you guys have

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Speaker 1: a problem taking him there as a as a you know,

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Speaker 1: run to the podium and take him. Is that that

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Speaker 1: situation right there? I don't think Murray's going to drop

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Speaker 1: to six. I mean, we could play the game of speculation.

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Speaker 1: If the Giants have them, is their number one quarterback,

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Speaker 1: then why wouldn't you take him at six? But if

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Speaker 1: you don't have him as the number one quarterback, then

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Speaker 1: I think you're obviously pushing things and maybe playing into

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Speaker 1: the quarter public opinion. But if he's number one on

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Speaker 1: your board, you value the quarterback position, you're high on

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Speaker 1: finding a quarterback successor, then I think there you get

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Speaker 1: value acquainting to need. So to me, it would make ends.

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Speaker 1: But I also think that's complete wishful thinking. I understand

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Speaker 1: we're playing with the coda, would have, should have. I

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Speaker 1: just don't seeing him be still on the board at

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Speaker 1: number six because I think if the Cardinals do shape

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Speaker 1: things up trade the number one overall pick, it would

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Speaker 1: be either because the team is taking Murray or then

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Speaker 1: somebody else is going to move up to grab Murray.

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Speaker 1: That's how I see that playing out. And you already

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Speaker 1: know he would not be number one on my board,

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Speaker 1: So I wouldn't take. Well, I'm not looking at it

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Speaker 1: is my personal pin I'm just looking as I'm well,

627
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Speaker 1: but I wouldn't. Part of my opinion is also what

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Speaker 1: the Giants are thinking. What, like I said, if he's

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Speaker 1: number one on the Giants board, then in their eyes

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Speaker 1: you've got to take him. I don't think there's anything

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Speaker 1: to debate. Yes, I don't think that would be you know, no, No,

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Speaker 1: I mean I would heavily consider it. I don't necessarily

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Speaker 1: have an issue with the height limitations. I think that

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Speaker 1: of you. No listen, but on a minute, I was

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Speaker 1: high on Baker Mayfield. That Baker Mayfields a small guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and look at what Baker Mayfield did as a Rookieopa

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Speaker 1: Loopa's Wait a minute, hold on? Were you not impressive

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Speaker 1: on Baker Mayfield? Did Baker Mayfield had a terrific season

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Speaker 1: and you picked him out. I still think all is

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Speaker 1: the any may But the bottom line is the early

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Speaker 1: results I think bode well for Baker Mayfield. Height or

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Speaker 1: no height, it doesn't matter. The bottom line with me

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Speaker 1: with respect to Kyler Murray, which I was getting to

644
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Speaker 1: before we went on a whole height dissertation, is the

645
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: one year of starting experience that to me, I don't

646
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: take too lightly. A lot of the guys that were

647
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: taken last year had multiple years of starting experience, and

648
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: even if you look at a lot of the veterans

649
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: over the course of NFL history, multiple years of starting experience.

650
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: I get it. The game has changed, but that's something

651
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: that I have to heavily consider. Can I project enough

652
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: based on what he did at one year at Oklahoma?

653
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: I think there's the rolling the dice mentality. Yeah, good

654
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: day to you all, right, Tony, appreciate the phone call.

655
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for weighing in. Let's head back to

656
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: the phone lines. We've got Joe in Pennsylvania. Joe, welcome

657
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: the Big Blue Kike offf Live. What's on your mind?

658
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: It's just like what's on the mind with everybody else.

659
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: It's a surprise. It's a poker game. People are bluffinging

660
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: and this and that my my problem with Murray. If

661
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: we would take him, it's not his side. Is his

662
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: availability getting hit, you know? Or if you take Haskins

663
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: or so if you like him, I think he'd be

664
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Speaker 1: more available. That would be my thing with him. But

665
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: I'm like what you guys, they're wondering, you know, Like

666
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: I said, it's a poker game. If one of them

667
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: top defense and players would would drop, then the Giants

668
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: might have him over Haskins or one of these other quarterbacks.

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00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: But I was thinking, like I said, the way I

670
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: hear Gettleman talking and he was in his press conference

671
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: and he said the quarterback, it's just not his skills,

672
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: but like his personality, you know his Well, that's that's

673
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: what I was wondering. If you guys, you know, like

674
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Speaker 1: Manning in at the be a fighter and keep going on,

675
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: if you had had these quarterbacks rate it further personality

676
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: and their willingness to keep fighting and stuff like that.

677
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: You know, we we know they like Haskins and Murray

678
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: only has a year, But my god, I love the

679
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: size of Haskins, and I think we we'd be able

680
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: to make them forth and one is pretty good with

681
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: him it could run the pistol even there or so.

682
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: But what I'm want to get to is before years go,

683
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: do you think you know that that well, I'm not

684
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: sure was Getleman underneath the Ernie a Corsi. You think

685
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: they would ask him because he you know what I mean,

686
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: on his opinion of these quarterbacks or no, I don't

687
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: think that's crazy. I mean they have a long established relationship.

688
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: Ernie and and Dave are great friends. They talk all

689
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: the time. It wouldn't shock me if the topic came up.

690
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: But but Joe, here's here's what I want you to

691
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: understand all right, to to clarify by and to give

692
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: you a great example of how the personality profile and

693
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: the mental makeup is so significant. Okay, regardless of what

694
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 1: anybody thinks about the talent level in ranking Rivers, Roethlisberger,

695
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: and Manning, those three quarterbacks came out in the first

696
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: round in two thousand four. Okay, I will tell you,

697
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 1: and I've said this many times before, but I'm gonna

698
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 1: say it again because it's relevant to your point. Because

699
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 1: of the emotional and mental makeup of those three players,

700
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: those three quarterbacks would not have been as successful as

701
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 1: they have been if they had landed in the other cities.

702
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: Rivers was much too immature, much too thin skinned, and

703
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: much too temperamental. He would not have done nearly as

704
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: well in New York as Eli Manning. Okay, Ben roethlis

705
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:57,919
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger, same situation. Rothlisberger would not have done well here.

706
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: Like what you think, how there personality, Well, there's there's

707
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 1: no question that that Daniel Jones would have a better

708
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: personality fit because of his maturity, his and his experience.

709
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: If you're looking strictly at that part of it, he's

710
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: a much better look. He's like a Manning son. He's

711
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: like the fourth Manning brother in terms of his personality.

712
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: So so you know, you have to take that stuff

713
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: into account because it does make a difference. Have you

714
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: heard anything on Haskins hell he is you know what

715
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: I mean? He seems he seems very poised and very together.

716
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: But again, only one year is a starter. There's a

717
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: lot of experiences that this young man has yet to face.

718
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: He's also yet to face adversity. Look at that offensive

719
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: line he plays behind in Ohio State. You know he

720
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: could eat breakfast, lunch, dinner, and then have dessert back there.

721
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: Anybody could throw fifty touchdown passes if they got five

722
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 1: years to throw. Okay, so here here's the thing. Here's

723
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 1: the thing, and make this, make this, make these very

724
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: very clear. I said this on our two minut drill

725
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: the other day. I guess it was Friday. Bill Parcel

726
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: has always said, show me a quarterback who has a

727
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: three interception game, Show me a quarterback who has a

728
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: three or four game losing streak. Then you'll find out

729
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: what he's made of. Because you gotta go through negative experiences,

730
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,720
Speaker 1: you have to go through adversity. You have to see

731
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: how your leader, how your quarterback is gonna bounce back

732
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: from the rough times before you know what is there

733
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: inside that gut check. And I'm telling you that's part

734
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Speaker 1: of the problem when you draft these one year wonders

735
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: out of college. They haven't gone through the gut check. Well,

736
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: and that's what I said with respect to Kyler Murray

737
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 1: and Haskins. You have a small sample size, not compared

738
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Speaker 1: to the other guys. And both of those quarterbacks are

739
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: coming off very good seasons in which both of their

740
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: teams were very much in the mix, and they were

741
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: both being considered for the College Football Playoff. One of

742
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 1: the two made it. And you know the other thing

743
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: with Daniel Jones, while his numbers may not jump off

744
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: the page, the one thing you can say about Daniel

745
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,720
Speaker 1: Jones is well, he had to deal with non ideal sircumstances,

746
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: meaning a rough offensive line, wide receivers that are dropping passes,

747
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: and he had to bounce back play to place. You

748
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: can say that he's been exposed to adversity. I would

749
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: argue a little bit more so than Haskins and Murray.

750
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: Now with that being said, Murray also changed schools, had

751
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: to learn a new scheme, so that to me is

752
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: part of dealing with adversity, dealing which he landed at

753
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: a place which also had an offense tailored to him,

754
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: and he had he had plenty of support, a lot

755
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: of talents around him. So well that is important. People say,

756
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: if if Murray don't get picked first, he could he

757
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: could really drop you know what I mean. So, but

758
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 1: there's so much it's gonna be interesting. There's so much

759
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 1: even with these pass rushers, Gary and Sweat ear red

760
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: flags and and uh, you know what I mean that, Uh,

761
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: the sacks Justin wasn't there. So it's gonna be very interesting.

762
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: And the giants gotta hold their cards unless just like

763
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 1: Gettleman with the Beckham deal, he said, you know, we

764
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: we signed him to keep them if if somebody blows

765
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: them away at number six. So I want to be

766
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: the prize for them to drop down unless they have

767
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 1: just a real strong feeling on somebody. Well that's when

768
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: it comes down to. Well, it comes down to how

769
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 1: strong they feel about a player and appreciate the phone call.

770
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for waying in. Parcels had seven rules

771
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: that he needed to have when he looked at a

772
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: quarterback coming out of school now. Of course, some of

773
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: these are outdated because the way that the draft works nowadays,

774
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: so many guys are coming out a year early because

775
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: they want the money and they're not going to take

776
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: a chance and play their senior years. So I want

777
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: to clarify there's certainly going to have to be a

778
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: little bit of a twist on this. But the Parcels seven,

779
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: the quarterback had to be a three year starter. He

780
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: had to be a senior, he had to graduate. He

781
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: had to have thirty complete starts under his belt. He

782
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: had to have twenty three collegiate victories. He had to

783
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 1: have at least the two to one touchdown interception ratio,

784
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: and he had to have at least a six completion

785
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: percentage during his college rear. Those were the Parcels seven.

786
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: When Bill looked at a quarterback coming out, I will

787
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 1: never forget how much he's salivated over Troy Aikman. When

788
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: Troy Aikman came out of U C. L A. I

789
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: will never forget him sitting in the press room in

790
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: the old Giant Stadium saying, Fellas, and this is when

791
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: Aikman was a rookie and was just having a horrible,

792
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: horrible rookie season was one of the worst ever. That's why,

793
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 1: and then Steve Walt replaced it because he got the

794
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: broken thumb. And Bill said to us, fellas you watch

795
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: this guy is the next superstar quarterback. He's the next

796
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. And you know Bill, Bill had an understanding

797
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: that it's about the guy's intestinal fortitude, his mental makeup,

798
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: his emotions, his leadership skills. It's not just the skill set,

799
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: not just the toolbox. You need to see the other

800
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: things as well. And all of that, to me is

801
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: still relevant today. Now it's hard, but most of it.

802
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:04,919
Speaker 1: Most quarterbacks to meet some of that criteria because of yeah,

803
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: you don't have enough starts to get to twenty three victories,

804
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: so you know, how are you supposed to hold them

805
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: to that? But I don't think that there's anything wrong

806
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: with saying experience and dealing with adversity is still not

807
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: key in judging a quarterback in today's day and age,

808
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: it's got a bit. I mean, you want as much

809
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: as you can, no matter what the position is, Paul,

810
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: you want as much games, interviews, conversations at your disposal

811
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: before you make a selection. And I don't think anybody

812
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: would complain with having too much information. Too much information

813
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: is ever a bad thing. It's too little when now

814
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: you're rolling the dice a little bit more and it's

815
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 1: all about projection. Mike is in California as we move

816
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: along here on Big Blue Kickoff Live. What's happened in

817
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:47,919
Speaker 1: my Hey guys, great to be on with you again. Hey,

818
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: I got uh, I got a first the philosophy kind

819
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 1: of explanation and then a question for me. The first

820
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 1: thing is, you know, when I'm working at US drafting

821
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: right now, um, you know, we talk about need and

822
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: a and a right tackle. But to me, I think that, um,

823
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: you know, we're in a situation where in you know,

824
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: in two years left back when they told her, I

825
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: think is when the contract ends in there's he's you know,

826
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: he's very very highly paid. So in two years, I

827
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 1: think we would love to have a guy who sat

828
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: at right tackle and learned how to play in the

829
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: NFL on the offensive line for a couple of years

830
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: and then be able to move him over into in

831
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: the left tackle. So when I think about drafting tackle

832
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: high in this draft, I think about a guy who's actually,

833
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: you know, really drafted to play left tackle, not right tackle.

834
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: So my question is, you know, what do you guys

835
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: think about that? And you think that a left tackle

836
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 1: with the boss that available seventeen, well, seventeen is possible

837
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: that somebody's on the board. I don't. I don't think

838
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: that's crazy. I think what's relevant to your philosophy. It

839
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: was interesting because I was talking with Bill Polian, former

840
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: Cults general manager. We did a show together recently on

841
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: Sirius x M NFL radio and we were talking about

842
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: philosophy and the draft, and he said when he was

843
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: running the Colts because he was also in Buffalo, he

844
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: and Tony Dunge and Jimmerzay, who's still the owner, had

845
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: a philosophy and the philosophy was, if you're gonna take

846
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: a guy in the top ten, he better impact the football.

847
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: And what they meant by that, Paul, is we want

848
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: a guy that's going to be able to throw the

849
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: football in the end zone, run the football in the

850
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: end zone, catch the football in the end zone. So

851
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: who comes to my quarterback, running back, tight end, offensive

852
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 1: lineman don't catch the football. They don't throw the football,

853
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: they don't run the football. That's not to say it's

854
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: not important, but their philosophy was, we're not going to

855
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: waste a reasonable resource on an offensive lineman because his

856
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: limitations are he's only gonna do so much to help

857
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: move that football. That was their philosophy. That doesn't mean

858
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: it's the right philosophy. And listen, Quentin Nelson went last

859
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: year and I thought it was a phenomenal pick, you know,

860
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: and I'm not I'm not saying that it holds true

861
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 1: Mike across the board, but I don't love the philosophy. Well,

862
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: we want to move a guy over to left tackle

863
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: four years down the road, so we better get the

864
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: process started early, and we should use as high of

865
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: a pick as possible. What happens if the guy is

866
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: just not a great athlete and he has have a

867
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 1: lot of upside. So I don't think you could force

868
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: it simply because you want to move the guy eventually

869
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: to the left side of the line. See. I subscribe

870
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: to the Juror Jung philosophy, which said you had to

871
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: have four basic core elements when you try to to

872
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: build a winner. You had to have the quarterback, you

873
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: had to have the left tackle, you had to have

874
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: the pass rusher, and you had to have a cover corner.

875
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: You had to have those four things before you could

876
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: progress into being a playoff type of team. So so

877
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: I understand what Pollyan said that I've heard him say

878
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: it before, so I get it, um, and I'm I'm

879
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 1: a huge Bill Pollian fan. You guys know that if

880
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: you've ever listened to the show. Here, here's what I

881
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: would say. Okay, Uh, Dave Gettlman himself has told us

882
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: in public that offensive tackle is one of the three

883
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 1: deepest positions in this draft, So I don't think it's

884
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: a reach. When he's also said that he thinks there's

885
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: four full round of deep talent to which he has

886
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: never seen before in his career, that says to me

887
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: that somewhere in those first four rounds, all right, if

888
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: you match up those two statements, they're going to get

889
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: themselves an offensive tackle and and the guy's going to

890
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: be a legit prospect who who's obviously going to have

891
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: a chance at some point to start, if not right away,

892
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: certainly pretty soon. So I would think they're gonna get

893
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: somebody who's gonna start out at right tackle and in

894
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 1: all likelihood does become the left tackle when Soldier moves on.

895
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 1: I don't think your thought process is at all flawed.

896
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: What I am gonna say is it wouldn't shock me

897
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: if that guy comes at thirty seven or maybe even

898
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,439
Speaker 1: comes to them in the third round. I don't think

899
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 1: it has to be in the first round. Might keep

900
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: in mind also, when Geentleman was with the Panthers, he

901
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: never took an offensive lineman in the first two rounds

902
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 1: of the draft. Now this is a different team, but

903
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: it's just something to at least think about because that

904
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: was an ancient history. He was with Carolina within the

905
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: last decade. Wasn't like they're five or six years. I mean,

906
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: you guys have you know, you have your own opinions

907
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: on talent, and you know what I've been reading is that, um,

908
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 1: you know, a couple evaluators anyway, they say John Taylor,

909
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: Jonah Williams, and Andre Dillard are top three prospects and

910
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,280
Speaker 1: that there's a pretty big drop off after those three.

911
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: Is that something you guys disagree with that or you

912
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: think that's on on point? No, Again, Gettleman said, offensive

913
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 1: tackles one of the three deepest positions in the draft.

914
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,479
Speaker 1: You have plug and place starters from everyone that I've

915
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: talked to who has been in this game forever. Uh,

916
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna get a plug and place starter at right tackle,

917
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: probably as late as the third round. The fourth round.

918
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: Guys may need a little work, they'll probably eventually be starters,

919
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: but you for sure you're gonna find starting guys who

920
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: are going to compete for starting job day one in

921
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 1: the second round that offensive tackle, there's no question. But

922
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: are there are there three guys who are who are higher,

923
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: who might even be old rookie team picks. Yeah, but

924
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: but that's not to say that you're not gonna be

925
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: able to find one in the second round, because you're

926
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: gonna they're gonna be there. All right, Well, appreciate it,

927
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: you got it. Thanks so much for weighing in. Let's

928
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: continue to move along here on the lines. We've got

929
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: Brian in New Jersey. Brian, welcome to Big Look. This

930
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: afternoon will eventually come. What's happening? I promise I'll be

931
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: gentle on you today. You guys are feeling a lot

932
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: of tough call. So I have a question for you

933
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: to leave with. But I'm going to just run through.

934
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: He thinks I watched the Gentleman press conference. I'm a

935
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: big fan of Dave and uh, I think that he's

936
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: a great poker player. So it's really difficult to read

937
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: too much into this. I think you guys have clean

938
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: through this some major points that totally um on board,

939
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: with the gap between I think thirty six and ninety

940
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: seven or thirty seven ninety six where he's got to

941
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: move up. As he said, he has a lot of

942
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: a lot of good players in there. He's gonna have

943
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: a hard time watching go off the board, so I

944
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: think he has to do that. I do think that

945
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: if he gave away anything and just tell me, guys,

946
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: if I'm reading a teals too deeply. But he talked

947
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 1: at point he said that he was heavy when it

948
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: was thick with cornerbacks later in the draft, and I

949
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: believe that he did say, thank god, so well, do

950
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: you believe they needs cornerbacks or not. I think that

951
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: there's probably two in there. He'll probably give a shot

952
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 1: at Here's what I'll tell you for those who didn't

953
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: listen to Gettleman, and I'm going to ask you to

954
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 1: pause for just a second. He said that offensive tackles

955
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: secondary and he and he did qualify that as saying

956
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: safeties and corners combined them and wide receivers are the

957
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: three deepest parts rounds one through seven throughout the draft.

958
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: That was That was the statement. Now I would tell

959
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: you the other way he could move up into the

960
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 1: middle of the third round. He could trade two fifth rounders. Okay,

961
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: I'm looking at either one forty two or one forty

962
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: three plus his number one seventy one according to the

963
00:47:54,960 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson draft chart, that's approximately fifty six points. Okay,

964
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: he could trade. He could trade those two picks if

965
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: he wanted, plus his number nine five, which is late

966
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: in the third round. That's the one that they got

967
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: in the Beckham deal. All right, you want to add

968
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: that up. That's gonna get you up into the one

969
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: seventy five is range, which would get you smack into

970
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,479
Speaker 1: the middle of the third round. So he could deal.

971
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: He could deal his low three, one of one of

972
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,439
Speaker 1: his early fives, and his late five and get into

973
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: the middle of the third round according to the Jimmy

974
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: Johnson chart. That would be another way to help himself

975
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 1: position wise in the third The one I talked about

976
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: earlier was if he moved down from seventeen about five spots,

977
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: he could gain a mid third round pick. That's a

978
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: little different than shifting in the round. It would be

979
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: an additional pick he could gain one way or the other.

980
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 1: I think Dave's gonna get something in that gap. Well,

981
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,879
Speaker 1: I think one way or the other, Dave's gonna make

982
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: a trade. Let me leave it at that. You know

983
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: where he moves that remains to be seen, because remember

984
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: one of the key takeaways to me during the course

985
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: of his press conference was he says, you never draft

986
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: a player if you don't think he's gonna make the team.

987
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 1: And they have twelve picks, Realistically, I don't think twelve

988
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 1: guys are making this roster. So when you put that together,

989
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 1: in all likelihood, I think they're gonna try to at

990
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: least package a few to move up or make a

991
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: move because I don't think realistically they believe they bring

992
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: in twelve rookies on top of the undrafted players too,

993
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: that everybody is going to have a legitimate shot to

994
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: make this roster. I mean, seven and ninety five is

995
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,399
Speaker 1: fifty eight spots. Well, he's not gonna be sitting there

996
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: for fifty eight spots with his hands, uh, you know,

997
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: sitting there Twiddland thumbs. He's not gonna do it well.

998
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: And to your point, Brian, I think this is one

999
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: of the things you mentioned during the press conference. He

1000
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: did indicate it's gonna be very tough to sit through

1001
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: that too. So when you listen to that, you would think,

1002
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: most likely he's gonna try to do everything he can

1003
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: to at least gain an additional pick. I insisted to

1004
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 1: you months ago that they were going to get a

1005
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: third round pick because I knew Dave was not gonna

1006
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: sit there from thirty seven and have to wait to

1007
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: number one hundred and eight. There's no way he was

1008
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 1: gonna go se without making a selection. That was a lock.

1009
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: I promised you guys he would get a third rounder,

1010
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: and he did. From Cleveland. No, I totally agree. I

1011
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: love to mention that Jimmy Johnson formula. Um, it's I

1012
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: wish I was, you know, wish I was inside one

1013
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: of these uh these you know rooms during draft day.

1014
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: It's always to me, it's fascinating. One or two quick

1015
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: things and I'll leave you with the question. I personally

1016
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: am the fiction of Devon White. I think he's a

1017
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: violent player. Um. I think at Oliver is the key

1018
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: to this thing. Notwithstanding a trade in the first four

1019
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 1: or five picks. But at Oliver's key to this because

1020
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: if somebody loves him, then you do the mask based

1021
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: on who's gonna go. You know all these different numbers

1022
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 1: that come up and prognostications. Devin White might be sitting

1023
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: there with us for us and uh, you know, you

1024
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: could do a lot worse. I think. Uh, I'm just

1025
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: a big fan of him. I just like what he

1026
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: what he does, and I don't want nearly would you

1027
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: guys watch I'm more of Key Leaves guy than watching

1028
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 1: the town play. So that's just my opinion that you

1029
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: run with it. And the last thing is when it

1030
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: comes to quarterbacks, I want your Kenyon Drew lock and

1031
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: then a shout out to um the lie because should

1032
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 1: be called actually come home and they don't draft a quarterback.

1033
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: I want to see him play a few years and

1034
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: at one point that's never mentioned about him, and that is,

1035
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: you know, the wholesome quarterback. But he has allowed us

1036
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: to the last was its sixteen seventeen years to not

1037
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: have to draft a quarterback in the first round. Now,

1038
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,399
Speaker 1: if you think about that, that's a lot of extra

1039
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: picks and we just want to move forward, right, We

1040
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: don't want to curse the darkness read the light of candle,

1041
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: but keep sixteen years. You don't have to draft the

1042
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: first round draft choice. Think about what kind of advantage

1043
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 1: we've been given over a whole bunch of the teams

1044
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: that have to turn this over every few years. So

1045
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: I'll leave you. I'll leave your thought about Drew lock

1046
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 1: and accuracy. How important is it the ability to try

1047
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: to change accuracy going forward? How difficult exactly? I've kind

1048
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 1: of liked him a little bit, but I want your

1049
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: sus on that, And thank you very much. All right, Brian,

1050
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,280
Speaker 1: appreciate the phone call. Well, I agree with the fact

1051
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: that you know Eli's durability statistics aside has afforded the

1052
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: Giants a tremendous luxury. All you need to do is

1053
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: look at how many quarterbacks have started for not just

1054
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: the NFC East teams, but every other team in the

1055
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 1: National Football League during that period. Philip Rivers is another

1056
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: guy who deserves a lot of kudos for his ability

1057
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: to stay healthy and tough things out. The sad part is,

1058
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: and and I don't mean to be a Debbie downer here,

1059
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: the Giants drafts of the previous administration over the course

1060
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: of the last several years, did not necessarily takes maximum

1061
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: advantage of that opportunity. Well, and that's exactly where I

1062
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,280
Speaker 1: was going to go. I said, yes, it's a luxury

1063
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: that maybe you don't have to use your first round pick.

1064
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: But then it's all about what what did you do

1065
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,240
Speaker 1: with the first round pick. It's a result oriented business,

1066
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 1: so you know, the track record there hasn't really yielded

1067
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 1: what they had hoped. But the other thing that I

1068
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,879
Speaker 1: wanted to mention related to the last caller's point about Eli,

1069
00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have the philosophy, Well, you don't want the

1070
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: team to take a quarterback because you want to see

1071
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,879
Speaker 1: Eli play for a few more It's possible they could

1072
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: take a quarterback and I can still play for a

1073
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: year or two. So the Patrick Mahomes situation, you can

1074
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: have things synonymous with one another. The Philip Rivers Drew

1075
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 1: Brees situation. Philips that beyond Drew for two years and

1076
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: not one year. So all of that is important to

1077
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: think about before you jump the gun. Oh my god,

1078
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 1: I'm worried about him being eliminated from the equation. You

1079
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: can have your quarterback and you could also have the

1080
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: young guy, still ready to go, so that in a

1081
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,879
Speaker 1: second notice, you're ready to make the smooth transition. UH

1082
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: concerns that I had about Lock and consistent touch accuracy.

1083
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: Wasn't so sure about his progressions because he seems more

1084
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: like a quick game, programmable type quarterback who's just looking

1085
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: for that that immediate read coming out of the huddle.

1086
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: UH does tend to throw the ball low and had

1087
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: trouble sometimes setting his feet, but things to like. I

1088
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 1: loved his arm, his frame as athletic. UH does does

1089
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 1: get the ball to tight windows quite often and certainly

1090
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: has the guts to do it and rifle it in there,

1091
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: got the arm strength to do it, and also a

1092
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: three year captain, which again is one of those other

1093
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: intangibles that you really really like. I think I do.

1094
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: I think Drew Lock is a legit prospect, I really do.

1095
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,439
Speaker 1: I mean, and I certainly would take him over Kyler

1096
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: Murray to be honest with you, because again, Kyler Murray,

1097
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: it's like apples and oranges. He's from a different style.

1098
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: That's not the style that I like. I'm I'm much

1099
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: more of the Drew Lock style or the the Daniel

1100
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 1: Jones style or the Jared Stinham style. Those are more

1101
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: my style, guys, But that's just you know, that's the

1102
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 1: flavor of the month. What do you what do you like?

1103
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: Of course, and a lot of that also depends on

1104
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: what system your team is running to, which clearly why

1105
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: Arizona is tied to Kyler Murray. It's more of a

1106
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,879
Speaker 1: system than perhaps st Kyler Murray is absolutely the best

1107
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 1: quarterback available. I felt the color raised an interesting question about,

1108
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: you know, accuracy and how easy that is to fix

1109
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 1: compared to some of the other traits can be tweaked,

1110
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: but you can't really jump multi levels and improving that.

1111
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: You really can't. It could be tweaked some yeah, I

1112
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: mean you can have a quarterbacks coach and offensive coordinator

1113
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: that will work with you on skill set. Maybe you know,

1114
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: tweaking the angle in which you throw. But you know,

1115
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:19,439
Speaker 1: accuracy is tied to decision making, Paul and knowing where

1116
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: to go with the football. So you know that to

1117
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: me is learned and honed with more and more reps. Now,

1118
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: Drew Lock, the experience is not a question mark about

1119
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: Drew Lock. It's not as if he's only had five games.

1120
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: Drew Locks had the experience so you want to say, well,

1121
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:34,720
Speaker 1: you know, you put him out there as a starter

1122
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: for a season or two in the NFL, his accuries

1123
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: good accuracy is going to improve. Well, I would say

1124
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: I think it could go in opposite directions too, because

1125
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: you just don't know, you've already had so much reps

1126
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: and the accuracy has been hit or miss. What's to

1127
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: say that more reps is now going to change things?

1128
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: You may disagree, and and I don't know, you know,

1129
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: if you talk to some veterman football people, I think

1130
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: the biggest quarterback name that I can remember who really

1131
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: did a terrific job of improving his accuracy and taking

1132
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 1: himself to an elite level would be Drew Brees. Breeze

1133
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 1: really did a good job with that. Over the course

1134
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: of his career, from the time he came out, he

1135
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: really significantly enhanced his accuracy to the point where he's

1136
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 1: a legend in a Hall of Famer. Now, yeah, I

1137
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: mean will be obviously well it drew in fairness though

1138
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: it was a solid quarterback coming up. He was good.

1139
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: It wasn't as if people like, who's this kid? He

1140
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,240
Speaker 1: but he well he was the second round pick. And

1141
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: and but again if his accuracy had been as good

1142
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: as it is now when he was coming out of Purdue.

1143
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: He had been a first round pick. But that was

1144
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: the knock on him. I think the hight to he

1145
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:38,879
Speaker 1: was saw something that no question Well though it wasn't

1146
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,280
Speaker 1: as big a deal then as it is now because

1147
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: the players are so much bigger, But but he he

1148
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: legitimately became a much more accurate passer after he got

1149
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: to the NFL. Lance Metal Paul de Tino with you

1150
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: here on Big Blue Kickoff Live. Let's finish up the

1151
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: program with a few more calls. Lenn Is in Columbia, Maryland.

1152
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: What's happening? Line? Hey guys, how are you doing? High?

1153
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: Us my breakdown and I reserved the right to change

1154
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: this before Thursday night. But pick number six, um in

1155
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: this order? UM, hoping Allen drops a couple of spots.

1156
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: If not Alan, if not Allan Oliver, if both gone,

1157
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: Wilkins a little high. I want Dillard at seventeen. I

1158
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: want a keen Butler at thirties seven. I like the

1159
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: idea of you know, trading down, and Paul, I'd like

1160
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: your second approach to how we get higher in the

1161
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: third round, how we get a better pick in the

1162
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: third round. Um, rather than dealing seventeen, that we come

1163
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: at us from the other side. And I'd call Cleveland

1164
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: today and say, I'll give you a ninety five and

1165
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: one of those two back to back round four picks

1166
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: for number eight. What do you think, Uh, that's that's

1167
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: not gonna do it. You know, if you want to

1168
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: get up that high, you're gonna have to give him,

1169
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: As I said, one forty two or one forty three,

1170
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: you gotta give them one of those. Plus you're gonna

1171
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: have to give them one seventy one, which is your

1172
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: late your late fifth. Alright, because get on the Jimmy

1173
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: Johnson chart, that's gonna give you approximately fifty six points

1174
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: or so. And from from where the Giants are at

1175
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: nine and fifty six points, that's only gonna get you

1176
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: up to probably like eighty three where Pittsburgh is. It's

1177
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: still gonna leave you a little shorter of where Cleveland is.

1178
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: That's what I said. Those two picks, what Joe offering it,

1179
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: Cleveland's not gonna take that. And quite honestly, remember and

1180
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:44,959
Speaker 1: give Ghettoman credit for this. Nobody talks about this. Lend

1181
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: the switch, Yes, and it really ticks me off because

1182
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: when everybody talks about the Beckham trade they leave this

1183
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 1: part off. He was able to undo the fourth and

1184
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:59,439
Speaker 1: fifth round exchange for Olivier Vernon. Remember the Vernon trade

1185
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: that happened to up with days earlier? Well when when

1186
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: when when Geentleman combined the Beckham trade into the Vernon

1187
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: trade and made it a one huge deal, he was

1188
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: able to reflop one fifty five and go back up

1189
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:23,479
Speaker 1: to one two. That's three spots. People forget that. Hey, Lance,

1190
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: let me let me ask you a question. I think

1191
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: I can do better with you on this than I

1192
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: can with Paul. What about Dillard at seventeen? Well, I mean,

1193
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 1: once again, it depends on what the Giants think of

1194
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: him and whether or not they feel they're gonna be

1195
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: okay with also leaving somebody who is a excellent defensive

1196
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: player off the board. Remember you know the Giants no

1197
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: defense is a major hole on this team. I personally think,

1198
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 1: depending on how the draft plays out, the Giants can

1199
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: walk away with two pass rushers or a pass rusher

1200
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: on the corner that could start Day one and have

1201
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: a tremendous impact on this team. And I would not

1202
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: overlook that every time people are fascinated with an offensive lineman,

1203
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: and I think an offensive lineman is something that can

1204
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: be targeted perhaps in some of the later rounds. If

1205
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: you listen to Dave Gentleman and he thinks there's death.

1206
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: Notice the one thing that Dave Gentleman didn't say, even

1207
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: though everybody believes that this is a draft where there's

1208
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: a great deal of depth at passed rusher and defensive line,

1209
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: did you notice that wasn't the three positions by the

1210
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: way that he focused on. So if you really want

1211
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: to read into things, that was one of my biggest takeaways.

1212
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 1: He didn't tell you the one position that everybody raves

1213
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: about depth, So what does that say? Maybe that says

1214
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 1: to him he doesn't want to wait on that position

1215
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: and he looks at six and seventeen is a way

1216
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 1: of solidifying a defensive fronts a lot of help. It's

1217
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,919
Speaker 1: it's top heavy. I think the defensive the defensive front

1218
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 1: seven is top heavy. When he mentioned those three spots,

1219
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: he said through the through the full seven rounds, the

1220
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 1: whole round thing, and and that's significant and you have

1221
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: to definitely pay attention to that. So I definitely agree

1222
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: with you and Land, I would only add one other thing.

1223
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: I happen to be a huge Andre Dealert fan, and

1224
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: I would love to see the Giants get him because

1225
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: I think he starts at right tackle and he's exactly

1226
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: the kind of guy who winds up at left tackle.

1227
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,479
Speaker 1: In three years. I think he'd be a great pick.

1228
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: But he's not gonna be there at seventeen. Well, oh,

1229
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:15,479
Speaker 1: you think he's gonna go earlier than yes, yes, Lance,

1230
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: let me let me just say this in response to

1231
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 1: what you and I have no argument with what you said, really,

1232
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: but just in responding to it, you know, Dave may

1233
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 1: be telling us the same thing about offensive lineman too.

1234
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: Why wait, you know, let's go get the offensive line.

1235
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 1: You right have to wait till the second round or

1236
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: the third round to get the fifth or the sixth

1237
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 1: best offensive lineman. Let's go get him early, just like

1238
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 1: he might say that about a you know, about a

1239
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: pass rusher. One one of the things Lands, I disagree

1240
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 1: with you on the I understand how we're probably going

1241
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:45,439
Speaker 1: to trace some of those draft picks because we really

1242
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: want to move up in that third round. I think

1243
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: Paul is right on with that, But you know, Lance

1244
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 1: twelve twelve new guys that if you count bald thirteen

1245
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: new guys. I mean, if you look at through fifty

1246
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 1: three on this roster, this this rumor is roster for guys.

1247
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I think those you know, you could argue

1248
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 1: twelve draft picks couldn't make this think. Hey, listen, thanks

1249
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: for taking my the Friday show. Terrific. Wow that was

1250
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 1: that was That was a top notch show. Thank you

1251
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: acause for weighing in. If you go through the Giants

1252
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 1: draft history, and I'm not gonna spend a lot of time,

1253
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 1: but you tell me the last time that every single

1254
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: pick the Giants made wound up making the fifty three

1255
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 1: man roster, and I don't remember many. That's the last time,

1256
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 1: you know? Okay, well it's two thousand nineteen a while.

1257
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. Let's put it this way. They

1258
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 1: will pick up some other crumbs along the way, veteran

1259
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: free agents, undrafted rookie free agents, who land. If you're

1260
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 1: saying that there's gonna be twelve new faces on the

1261
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 1: roster week one, some of them are gonna be those

1262
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: kinds of guys. They won't necessarily but doesn't count as

1263
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 1: part of the twelve picks correct, and that's what why,

1264
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,439
Speaker 1: which is why I agree with what I agree with Lance.

1265
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 1: I don't see twelve draft picks making this roster. There

1266
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 1: will be some some churn, but they're going to come

1267
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: from different areas, and that's where I think he's thinking.

1268
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: Let's head back to the lines. Charlie's in Portland, Maine. Charlie,

1269
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: unfortunate to hear from you. What's happening, hi, Charlie, Hey,

1270
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: well look at this, Look at it this way. If

1271
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 1: we if we pick twelve draft picks, so that means

1272
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: you're not gonna pick so many undrafted free agents. That's

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Speaker 1: the way I look at You could bring in a

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Speaker 1: lot of undrafted free agents, but to your point, that

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01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily increase their chances of making the team. If

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Speaker 1: you've got twelve guys that they believe we're worthy of

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01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: taking with an actual draft pick, that means they at

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Speaker 1: least have high hopes that they can contribute to the

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01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 1: team or make the practice squad. Right, But normally we

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Speaker 1: get seven draft picks, we sign them, and then we

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Speaker 1: get a bunch of undrafted free agents. But he's end

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Speaker 1: up with twelve. You're not gonna be picking up as

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Speaker 1: many undrafted free agents. That's to me, that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: I I understand that, Charlie, But nobody is foolish enough

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Speaker 1: to ever believe that every one of your draft picks,

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01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 1: you know you had them spot on. You know you're

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01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:10,919
Speaker 1: gonna miss some because everybody, everybody drafts guys that wind

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Speaker 1: up being a bust or a miss. So what you

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Speaker 1: need to do, and the best teams do this They

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Speaker 1: ace the quote eighth round because on that last day

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Speaker 1: of the draft, when phone calls are being made and

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01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:26,439
Speaker 1: you got your eye on undrafted rookie free agents, those

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01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 1: guys are are like pieces of cold you got to

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Speaker 1: shine up into diamonds and invariably, and you know this too,

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01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 1: this goes back to the parcels are the Giants usually

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01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 1: have three or four those undrafted rookie free agents that

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Speaker 1: make the fifty three. That's just the habit that this

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Speaker 1: team has because they're good at uncovering those kinds of guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you know, and if they got that many draft picks,

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01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 1: maybe they'll draft them instead of waiting. You know, That's

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Speaker 1: all I'm saying. You could still end up getting diamonds

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Speaker 1: in the rough if you're picking at number seven. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I understand that, but the idea. But the idea is

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Speaker 1: you can't trade an undrafted rookie free agent because there's

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01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 1: no value in that collateral. You have draft choices in

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01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 1: your pocket, and if you can use them to combine

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01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 1: them and move up into the more frutile area of

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Speaker 1: the draft, that makes a hell of a lot more sense.

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Speaker 1: I agree, I agree. I think what might happen is

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Speaker 1: someone's gonna drop, and they might drop right into number six.

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01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 1: Say say if Folks drops down and six, it's not

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Speaker 1: happening because he's an idiot, right and and and there's

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Speaker 1: other teams who are gonna be like drooling and give

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Speaker 1: up the farm to get this guy. If I was

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Speaker 1: a giant in that situation, or say if Murray does

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Speaker 1: drop and goes it, you know what I'm saying, We

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Speaker 1: could get a bunch of picks, get out of six,

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Speaker 1: still stay in the first round and pick up maybe

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Speaker 1: another two and another three. I would do that in

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Speaker 1: the heartbeat. You always got to see what the prices, Charlie,

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Speaker 1: and they're they're gonna be a plethora of option. And

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Speaker 1: I will add one other thing for you before you go.

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Speaker 1: Dave Gettleman said, I'm not afraid to make a move,

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Speaker 1: and he's right. He he's shown through his career he

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Speaker 1: has made six trades in sixteen months. Is the Giants

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Speaker 1: general manager? Okay, he is not gonna sit there and

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Speaker 1: say I'm not doing anything. No, Dave Gettlman is an

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Speaker 1: active guy in that chair, all right. He he is

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01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 1: always looking to see what he can do to help,

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Speaker 1: and he's not afraid to pull the trigger on something. Charlie,

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Speaker 1: we gotta run. Thanks, Charlie, appreciate the phone call. The

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Speaker 1: one thing though, he did say during his presser last

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Speaker 1: year he was not a fan because he didn't have

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Speaker 1: a lot of picks to begin with to move assets

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Speaker 1: from this year's class. Correct, he didn't necessarily say that

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Speaker 1: he was against moving a two thousand twenty pick. He

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Speaker 1: would not address it is necessary to move up or

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Speaker 1: whatever it may be. So that's something to take the consideration.

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Speaker 1: One other thing I also wanted to add when we

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Speaker 1: were talking with Tony Pauline about Scouts and keeping leaks away,

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Speaker 1: fans also have this thought process that the scouts work

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Speaker 1: is over. Now that the board maybe just about finalized,

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Speaker 1: the scouts work is not over. We were talking about

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Speaker 1: undrafted free agents. Who do you think jumps on the

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Speaker 1: phone as the draft is ending to call up any

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Speaker 1: potential prospects who didn't get drafted to come sign with

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Speaker 1: the Giants. It's all of the scouts who established relationships

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Speaker 1: with these players across the country by traveling the country

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Speaker 1: throughout the college season. So the scouts still have an

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Speaker 1: extremely important role moving forward. It's not just Dave Ghettoman

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Speaker 1: that picks up the phone and goes after all those

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Speaker 1: undrafted free agents. Well, those guys are starting to make

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Speaker 1: the calls on Saturday rights as the draft goes into

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Speaker 1: the sixth round, those guys are already getting on the

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Speaker 1: phone now talking to people saying, hey, you know, if

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Speaker 1: if you don't get picked, here we we we want

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Speaker 1: to definitely talk to you. We're interested, you know, don't

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Speaker 1: don't think any haste, don't make any hasty decisions until

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Speaker 1: you talk to us. And then of course it becomes

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Speaker 1: a bidding war. Who wants to spend the most money,

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Speaker 1: who can offer the best opportunity to make the team.

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Speaker 1: With that being said, that's gonna ap up Monday's edition

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Speaker 1: A Big Blue Kickoff Live will be up and running again.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow as we get you set for the two thousand

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