WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: One More Time 0:00:02.680 --> 0:00:05.200 The following Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:15.960 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club Cowboys. Are you ready 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:19.800 for a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:24.119 Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:28.480 It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:35.800 with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:41.479 It is Tuesday, January eighteenth, twenty twenty two, Season seventeen, 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:45.040 episode number one hundred. Welcome to the latest edition of 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:48.080 The Break Life nest WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star. Nick, 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:50.040 there is no one hundred, but we didn't get a 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:52.560 ninety nine yesterday because we had other things to talk about, 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:55.360 So why don't you give me a ninety nine day 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:58.880 antin woods. There we go. I can't think of it. 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:01.520 That's about it. Like the only ninety nine I think 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:04.200 of is like a guy named Hervin McCormick. I remember 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:07.800 the name nineties was in the nineties. Yeah, it's about it, though, 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:09.800 I mean, I mean, there's been others, but I'm sure 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:16.440 there's some good ones. I don't don't. Chris Canty nine nine, Yeah, 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:19.080 Chris not as fun now, it's not as fun it's 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:22.840 lost it it's lost its mojost. I think we're at 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:28.520 zero zero. That's where we are, one hundred zero. Good 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:33.320 to know, just throwing it out there. I'm still smiling. Well, 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:36.680 we do have This is the final regular season show. 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:39.880 We will be moving to our off season schedule starting 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:41.840 next week. Actually is the last show we're gonna do 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:44.400 this week. And just you guys know, here's the schedule. 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:47.240 We got all the normal shows today at their normal times. 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:50.880 Tomorrow there will be a joint show which Nick will 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:53.680 be hosting UM and then on Thursday there will be 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:55.600 another joint show that day will be on but not 0:01:55.680 --> 0:02:00.280 hosting Thursday. Have you not gotten the I was I 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:03.040 was taking Thursday off. But okay, we'll figure it out. 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:07.440 I didn't schedule. We talked about it. I didn't see it. 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:10.720 I told you what it was. This is think we 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:13.880 all said, like, now, this is this is very us. 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:16.640 This is very us. Dave, you do have a calendar 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:19.560 on that one, buddy, I'll figure it out. I really 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:21.960 just wanted to give Derek a hard time, Okay, good, yeah, 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:23.919 well that's fair. I can accept that. I just wanted 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:26.000 to make sure people were talking, So that's good. At 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:28.400 least somebody talk to you. So, yes, we will have 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:30.880 a joint show on Thursday. We'll have media mash on Wedndsay. 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:33.519 I think Nick right, so there'll be a media mash 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:35.720 on Wedndesay as well. And then next week we will 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:38.240 be flipping to our offseason schedule. You guys can catch 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:42.160 us every Wednesday at eleven thirty. We will be doing 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:45.000 our show from eleven thirty twelve thirty every Wednesday. And 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:47.400 so Dave will also be starting up the Draft Show. 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:50.240 I'm sure he's already got some good ideas rolling on 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:52.119 that one. He's going to be hosting that this year. 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:54.640 So mister Dave will be taking my spot on that show. 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:58.239 That'll be happening on Tuesdays and Thursdays, I think at 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:00.560 ten am. So makes you that I will have the 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:03.280 full schedule up on the app. I'm sure William had 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:05.440 that up for you later this week. You'll be able 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:07.240 to see what all these shows are and the schedule 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:09.720 for them starting next week. All right, let's jump in. 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:11.519 There were a few topics that we didn't get to 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:14.840 yesterday about the game that I still wanted to hit today. 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:17.360 I want to start first with the running game We 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:19.560 didn't get a lot of time on the running game yesterday, 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:21.520 although we kind of dabbled into it a little bit. 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:25.320 Yes Sunday, Zeke's twelve or thirty one yards. His long 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:28.680 was nine yards. He also had four targets and only 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:31.720 one catch for zero yards. Pollard, on the other hand, 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:34.480 had four carries for fourteen yards. His long was eight. 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:38.280 He had two targets and two catches for twelve yards. 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:41.640 My question is, why do you think they refused or 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:45.880 decided not to use Tony Pollard more in that game 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:49.560 than they did? Now? I don't know, it's a valid question. 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:52.560 Maybe we can one day ask a coach about it, 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:54.520 if they're ever available to talk to us after. Was 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:56.640 that ever discussed after the game? Was that a question 0:03:56.640 --> 0:04:00.400 that ever got thrown out too? So, especially in COVID times, 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:02.840 Just to give you an idea, because it's fair, like 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:05.360 that's our job is to grill these guys, that's why 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:08.560 we're there. But like Nick spends the postgame talking to 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:11.120 anybody that's you know, Nick is the pool reporter for 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:13.680 anybody in the locker room that's not the coach or 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:15.760 a star. So they weren't playing along this week. Just 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:20.520 they were not case. You guys didn't notice Nick still 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:23.880 sore from all the stiff arms he took to the face, right, Um, 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:26.159 they should have used those in San Francisco. And then 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:31.240 Jerry's going simultaneously as so then there's a green room 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:33.560 where like your Zeke, you're a Marii Cooper, your big 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:36.719 name guys, they all go McCarthy, Dak and Mica get 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:39.400 the main podium. Jerry's talking in the middle of all 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:41.200 of all this. So the point is is like you're 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:43.760 kind of bouncing around. I did not get to talk 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:46.359 to Mike McCarthy this week. I honestly, I usually don't, 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:48.720 and so I didn't get to ask him about it. 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:51.320 I don't know if he even was asked about it. Again, 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:53.599 with the way the game ended and all of the 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:56.960 other storylines, you kind of divvy that up and you're like, 0:04:57.000 --> 0:05:00.840 okay that we can ask that Monday the wrap up. 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:03.520 There hasn't been a wrap up, and that is expected 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:07.479 sometime this week either tomorrow. They're expecting it. With the 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:09.960 amount of stuff that's in flux. You know, Kellen Morn 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:12.279 dan Quinn are both interviewing for other jobs. Like I 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:14.240 get I guess I get why they're doing that, But 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:16.520 it is just kind of frustrating to not have a 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:18.839 chance to follow up on that. I don't have a 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:22.480 wonderful answer for you. I will say in defense of them, 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:26.640 the offensive line got pancaked. They need I mean, Dak 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:28.760 was running for his life. He got sacked five times. 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:31.520 Zeke helped him out in pass protection quite a few times. 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:34.240 We've said that a lot. I know people get tired 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:35.880 of hearing it, but I do think that was a 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:39.240 big reason why he's on the field. Why he tripled 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:41.800 the number of carries as Tony Pollard, I don't know, 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:44.239 because you don't need to pass protect if you're running 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:47.880 the ball. Then Zeke comes out after the game and says, yeah, 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:50.440 I've had a torn PCL this whole time, partially torn. 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:53.520 I'm just like, maybe the Tony's been hurt too, But 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:57.000 I'm just like, maybe Tony ship touched the ball more often. 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:01.760 A lot of plays are run ass options, so you 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:04.120 know you have them out there, um, you know, and 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:07.960 Zeke's I mean they can't block. The offensive line couldn't block. 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:12.400 Zeke's gonna help more than Pollard will, obviously. Um, you know, 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:15.080 he blocked two guys on one play at one time, 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:18.119 it was a great player. So I think that having 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:20.680 him out there, you know, it's like they can they 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:23.760 can actually do a little bit more things because they 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:27.240 feel comfortable if they needed to pass. They also can 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:29.679 can run the ball. You know, the results are about 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:33.359 the same. That's probably part of it. But yeah, I 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:35.720 mean Pollard could help when when you lose and you're 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:37.520 not running the ball, well, yeah, you want to get 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:42.240 your dynamic players out there. And you know, and that's 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:44.240 on Kellen too. I mean we've seen plays where they're 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:46.120 both out there, you know. I mean, why why is 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:48.200 it that they only are on the field together just 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:50.919 a couple of times. That's a that's a wrinkle that 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:52.720 we haven't seen in a while, I don't think. So 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:55.280 that's what I was about to mention, is the lack 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:58.240 of us seeing them use them both at the same time, 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:01.159 especially when we talk about the time position and how 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:03.880 you're missing someone that can actually help you block. When 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:06.400 you have a guy like Zike you can utilize in 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:09.440 that way, but also run the ball and keep him maybe, 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:12.520 I mean you're not really as a defense, you're not 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:15.480 really going to expect Tony Pollard to the much blocking, 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:18.880 but it's another thing that you can at least try 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:21.440 and see how it goes. And that's an I don't know, 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:26.920 but to kind of what you hinted yesterday. And I 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:28.680 don't know if we were going to talk about that, 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:32.520 but is it time? Yeah, And I mean I'll set 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:34.280 it up for you. I mean what I was getting 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:38.400 to was, I think watching them this year, I think 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:41.320 there is a difference in how Tony Pollard runs the 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:43.000 ball and how Zeke runs the ball. I think he's 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:45.240 faster to the hole. I think he's quicker in and 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:47.200 out of the hole. I think he's more decisive. I 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:51.080 think he's more elusive. Obviously he's faster. I actually think 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:53.960 at this point he If I were making the decision, 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:56.600 I would actually have him taking the ball with the carries. 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:00.120 And that doesn't mean or at the very least, I 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:02.680 would be splitting carries between them. It seems as though 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:05.400 they're still in the mind frame that Zeke is the 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:08.560 lead back on this team. I would shift away from that. 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:10.800 I'd loved your opinions from you guys on whether you 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:13.120 think that what you saw this year makes you think 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:16.360 it's time to maybe start shifting that a little bit more. Well, 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:18.720 I mean, let's see what's up with Is he gonna 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:20.320 have knee surgery? I mean, that's that's what I want 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.520 to know, because before the season, you know, early in 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:25.120 the season, before I guess the injury, you know, I 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:27.320 thought what they were doing is fine. If you know, 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:32.439 if he legitimately has a partially torn PCL or whatever, 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:34.400 it's something that might need a little you know, either 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:38.199 surgery or or something, or even a lot of rest. 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:41.560 I'm okay with maybe going back and seeing how this 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:44.360 thing plays out, because I think together both of them 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:47.360 were really good. And if I can get Zeke healthy again, 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:49.640 then I think it'd be better both of them healthy again. 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:52.680 You know, but didn't he say that supposedly he won't 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:55.640 need any kind of Yeah, but I don't believe damn 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:59.240 near anything I heard after that. I mean, first of all, 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:01.880 do you know for sure? Second of all, like maybe 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:04.360 you get an opinion on it later, Like the number 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:07.440 of guys that are just like, yeah, I know, it'll 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:11.160 be fine, it'll be good. And then I'll be, uh, 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:14.040 you know, I'll be getting my oil changed in mid February, 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:16.920 and Adam Schefter will tweet that Zeke's having a Nisco 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:20.000 like cool, let me call Nick all right, I thought 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:22.120 he didn't be out. Yeah, I thought he didn't need 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:27.439 to do this also though, I mean like I'm fixing 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:30.000 the old line. I mean like a thousand percent. I mean, 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:33.839 I'm retooling all of that. I'm I probably have three 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:37.880 different starters across the board next year, some somehow, some way. 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:42.560 So I three three. I'm with you on that, Like, 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:45.240 I think that's your biggest problem. Where who's the third? 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:49.880 I think I think Lyle's probably or or or Lyell 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:52.199 is playing left guard for him right all year, I'm 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:54.920 doing something with those three positions. I gotta have a 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:56.680 new center for sure, and I got to have a 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:58.960 new left guard now, whether that left guard is moving 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:01.360 over from right tackle and and steel comes in whatever. 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:03.280 But you gotta be careful with that because you can't 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:05.560 trust timing right now. So you gotta you gotta almost 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:10.200 need the three. Um. I don't know if if Lyell's 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:12.760 is agile anymore as he as he was. I don't. 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:14.720 I don't think he is. I think he might be 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:18.680 a guard. He's mean, he's nasty, he's not as maybe 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:21.480 quick on his feet as he was. You know, maybe 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:23.400 maybe some push in the middle, and I think he 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:25.240 is physical enough where he might be able to give 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:27.200 me some pushing. Yeah, and I don't have that right now. 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:29.440 And if he's the enforcer like they say, and he is, 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:32.000 I mean, he showed that role, but I think he 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:35.199 needs they But I got I'm fixing the offensive line 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:37.960 and you don't think because I think that's one thing, 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:40.440 and I think that's the biggest thing. I do think 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:42.079 from at least from what I saw, and it might 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:44.400 have everything to do with that PCL. It absolutely may 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:46.800 have everything to do with the PCL. It just didn't 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:48.840 look like Zeke at the same burst that I was 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:51.440 used to sing from Zeke and Polots looked like Polo 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:53.840 looked like he did have it. And that's where I'm like, 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:56.640 if if it's not the PCL, if we find out 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:58.400 that after this year, you go into next year and 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:01.240 it's the same thing. To me, I think you get 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:03.000 more out of it. That means that you can get 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:06.440 to the whole faster than what I think Zeke's going. 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:09.680 That matters. The offensive line needs to be worked on, 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:11.640 but I would like to see more of a fifty 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:15.360 fifty split. I think I still think the Cowboys still 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:18.040 seem to have this attitude that, like, Tony Pollard is 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:21.240 a nice backup instead of a weapon who needs to 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:23.840 be touching the ball more often. I'm looking at his 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:30.600 game logs right now. He had double digit carries one, two, three, four, five, six, 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:35.120 seven eight times, and six of those eight were blowout wins. 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:37.560 Like he's getting double digit carries in the second half 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:39.360 of games that are way out of hand. I think 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:42.320 the only time where he got double digit carries in 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:46.240 a game that was really in doubt, it happened three 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:50.840 times Vegas Patriots Chargers, and he played well. He had 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:54.560 a hundred yards against the Chargers, had average four yards 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:58.360 per carry against the Pats, and not so great against 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:00.679 Vegas ten for thirty six. But even still, like I 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:03.000 just feel like they still view him as a backup 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:05.199 instead of a guy who can really help them. I 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:07.440 would like to see it closer to fifty percent. Do 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:11.280 you think this is a nature of just NFL coaches, 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:13.880 NFL locker rooms. I was trying to think of a 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:16.720 situation across the NFL where you have a running back 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:19.520 that has been the man for you and he's still 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:23.280 on a team, but his role diminishes most of the time. 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:25.480 In that instance, you see the guy go on, the 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:27.360 team says, Okay, we're gonna let him walk, we're gonna 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:29.200 he's gonna be a free agent, or we're gonna cut him, 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:32.160 or he's gonna get traded or something. It. I couldn't 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:34.560 really think of a lot of situations where a guy 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:36.439 has been the man, like he was the man here. 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:39.760 A guy has been the man, and it's just like now, 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:41.600 we think, right now there's a back that's better than you, 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:43.880 so we're going to decrease your role and increase their role. 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:46.560 Do you guys see that the same way or do 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:48.480 you think this is just kind of a just the 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:50.800 situation or more of a thing that just happens in 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:53.240 the NFL, they just don't necessarily do that when it 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:56.280 comes to lead running backs. Well, Tony Pollard hasn't come 0:12:56.320 --> 0:13:00.560 in and just been like considerably better than z You know, 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:03.360 if he was, then that would be easier. I mean, 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:07.480 I think he's faster, he's quicker, and he's more explosive. 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:09.040 But I think that when you look at it, it's 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:13.400 like still close because Zeke can do some things, you know, 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:17.319 better than Pollard, and so it hasn't been heading shoulders 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:20.719 above and that's probably why it hasn't just been a 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:24.400 quick like we're switching this out, you know, I think, 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:26.880 but we don't know if he can be as successful 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:31.800 if given basically a bigger amount of snaps on the field. 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:34.720 I can only recall one game, was it last year 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:37.640 or maybe two years? I think it might have been 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:39.960 last year at where he was a starter and Zeke 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:42.719 was out. He didn't play again San Francisco, And now 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:45.480 he played, He played pretty good to the point where 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:50.400 everyone asking Zeke to sit. Yeah, for Tony Pollard to 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:52.640 take over that role. But it does make me wonder 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:56.200 on a weekly basis, is he the type of guy 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:59.920 that can be as successful being so much on the field. 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.920 Maybe right now we see him have those explosive plays 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:05.840 because of the way that they're handling, and that allows 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:09.040 him to be that effective on the field, But once 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:11.040 you give him a bigger role, can he keep up 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:12.880 with that? And I'll throw this in too, I think 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.920 he's a much better pass catcher at this point. I mean, 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:18.480 how many times we see Zeke out in the flat 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:20.920 and just ball hits his hands, he drops it or 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:23.040 for whatever reason it seems like he's not in the 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:25.440 right spot or I can't think. I can't go along 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:28.800 with that. And I think Tony Pollard deserves a larger role. 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:31.960 And I'm not asking him to carry the ball twenty times. 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:34.440 I'm asking him to inch toward double digits. I don't 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:36.600 think he's done that his entire career. It's hovered between 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:39.360 six and eight. But Zeke, for whatever we want to 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:42.480 say about Zeke, he has been good as a receiver 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:44.520 this season in my opinion, and I'm not I am 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:47.800 not talking about like being explosive and all these big plays. 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:51.760 He's bailed Dak out a lot as like the holy crap, 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:53.760 I'm about to get sacked. Let me get this out 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:56.920 of here. He did it on Sunday. I know he 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.480 bobbled the one on the last drive and didn't catch it, 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:01.840 but Dak, that was a good play. By the way, 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:03.920 it was gonna be a one yard loss, which one 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:07.120 maybe I'm thinking of a different play. There was like 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:08.800 a little screen that they threw to him that he 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:11.320 kind of one handed. It's been and that's what he's 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:12.760 been doing that all year. But what I was about 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:14.960 to say is Dak basically lateral to him on an 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:18.000 obvious sack and he turned it into like a small game. 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:21.160 He's done stuff like that all year, where he's just 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:24.800 had the wherewithal to catch a holy crap outlet pass 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:28.320 and turn a bad play into at least a neutral play, 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:31.160 if not a good one. So I think, and let's 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:34.240 not just give Tony all the flowers. Like Tony's had 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:37.760 some drops this year. I can't give you an an 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:40.080 obvious example, but I know there's at least been three 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:42.680 or four occasions where, especially like over the middle of 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:45.200 the field, he let it bounce off his hands. So 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:48.320 I think Tony Pollard deserves a bigger role. I think 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:51.360 Tony Pollard is a more explosive runner. I'm not convinced 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:54.520 he's like this outright better receiver. I do think if 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:55.960 you can get the ball in his hands, he's a 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:58.600 more explosive player. That's what I will say. You want 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:01.320 to talk about the elephant that's sitting over there, let's 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:03.840 go for it. I mean, it's about a thirty million 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:08.440 dollar elephant. I mean it's it's money is important in 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:11.920 this conversation. It's why you can't really move on. I mean, 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:15.320 you have you're stuck with Zeke, and I don't say 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:17.480 that in a way that like that is what it is, 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:20.680 but I mean, you're not moving him. So what I 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:23.520 think the best way to handle this situation is is 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:25.960 figure out a better role for Tony Pollard that both 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:28.360 of them can play. And I'm drafting a running back 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:31.880 as well in the fourth or fifth round, a bigger back, 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:34.840 not a little scat back, but a bigger back. And 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:37.600 if this guy comes in here with this retooled offensive line, 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:41.240 like I just said, and he may be better, then 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:43.280 that's what happens. I mean, maybe, I mean, I know, 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:46.080 I'm going back of several years, but you know, they 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:49.680 drafted Marian Barber and they had Julius Jones already and 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.000 Maryan Barber after a few years turned out to be 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:54.680 after one year, it turned out to be we gotta 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:56.400 get this guy on the field, and maybe that happens. 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:58.920 Maybe you can strike gold, as we found out San 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:02.240 Francisco has, but it's because their offensive line knows how 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:04.560 to block in the running game. If I were the 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:07.800 Cowboys offensive coordinator, whoever that is, maybe it's Kellen Moore, 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:10.200 maybe it's somebody new, but I would go to Tony 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:13.199 the minute that all that's finalized, and I would be like, 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:16.800 contract to your bud. You want a bigger role, you 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:19.840 want a chance to maximize your earnings this time next year, 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:23.959 get in there, get great at pass protection like arn, 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:27.120 learn this scheme, Learn where you're supposed to be all 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:30.320 the time. Get to where Dak trusts you implicitly on 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:34.160 third and nine, and make yourself interchangeable. Don't like, don't 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:36.320 make us have to feel like we need to take 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:39.080 you off the field in certain situations. And that's I 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:41.280 would love to see a true split between him and 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:46.159 Zeke next year. And I do think guy that I mean, 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:47.679 if if they draft a new guy, that's fine. He 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:50.879 bought a fourth rounder from me or whatever. And by 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:53.520 the way, keep him coming. Hey every couple years, bring 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:56.200 me a new one. I mean, but again, that's the same, 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:58.080 it'll be the same story, Like he can be the 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:00.760 kick return specialist. Speaking of missing the state, I think 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:04.199 the Packers drafted Kylin Hill late last year just like 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:06.960 great college running back. He was like their kickoff guy, 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:11.720 you know, because it takes time, like Zeke is. Zeke 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:13.640 is a rare guy who came in and like had 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:15.760 all of that stuff and like I get it, it's 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:18.520 boring to talk about pass protection, but like, there aren't 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:21.679 that many running backs who teams trust to come in 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:25.360 and do everything right away. So Tony needs to take 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:27.440 a step in that regard. And then yeah, you can 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:30.240 have a rookie come in and handle kickoffs and playing 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:34.119 some blowouts or goal line packages whatever. But that's what 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:35.840 I would like to see. I'll say this, and I 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:37.560 went back and I looked it up, and here's why 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:39.280 I think what I think of him, and I agree 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:41.640 with you, Dave. If you look at the entire season, 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:44.240 Zeke's been a pretty good pass catcher. It's really been 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:46.400 the final six games of the season. Checked this out. 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:49.720 He had twenty targets in those final six games, he 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:53.080 only had eight catches. Of those twenty targets, most of 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:55.760 the games he had all except for one of those 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:58.560 games he only had one catch, and a lot of 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:01.480 those games he had And so when you start looking 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:03.639 at just how he's performed over the last six weeks, 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:06.240 that's been where I was like, he just hasn't given 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:08.639 them anything in the passing game. This last game he 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:11.080 had four targets and one catch for zero yards. Like 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:14.959 that's not helping Dak. That's not helping anybody in this offense. 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:16.879 Like I think that you get a little bit more, 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:18.720 and especially if you're talking about getting him out on 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:22.280 the outside catching passes, I think Pollard is more dangerous 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:24.359 in those situations and Zeke. Zeke isn't a guy that 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:26.960 necessarily makes people miss anymore. I want to be clear, 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:29.840 I don't view Zeke as a dangerous weapon in the 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:32.359