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Speaker 1: College basketball right now feels more like college football, where

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Speaker 1: I get a mix of a five star guy freshman,

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Speaker 1: and then you're Ohio State and you can go get

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Speaker 1: Caleb Downs and now you know he's an NFL player.

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Speaker 1: Plan on Saturdays, and Ryan Day, the head coach of

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Speaker 1: Ohio State, is now joining us live here on Monday.

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Speaker 1: All right, this is a great seeing the end. This

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Speaker 1: is an exciting time. And we were talking about the

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Speaker 1: nil and the way to do it is. You can't

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Speaker 1: just go pay for stars. You're gonna need a guard.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna need a number two tight end. It's a

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Speaker 1: delicate balance. You Also, you don't want to discrew with

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Speaker 1: your culture. The fascinating player with you is Caleb Downs.

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Speaker 1: So I watched him last year and I remember saying

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Speaker 1: on the air, I think I'd make it my number

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Speaker 1: one pick last year, and then this year you had

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Speaker 1: so many players developed sunny styles Reese that I felt like,

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Speaker 1: I see Caleb Downs and mock drafts going twelve and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, are you people insane? I just look at

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Speaker 1: him and I think that is a Pro Bowl player.

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Speaker 3: Potentially.

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Speaker 1: Tell me what I don't see about Caleb Downs, because

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Speaker 1: I think he's been overshadowed on your defense because you

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Speaker 1: have so many other emerging players. What does he do

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Speaker 1: for the Buckeyes that I maybe I don't see.

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Speaker 4: Well, he makes an impact in all phases, So I

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Speaker 4: mean when it comes time to play the run, I

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Speaker 4: mean he is in the box at the line of

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Speaker 4: scrimmage making plays. But then he has the ability, because

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Speaker 4: of his ball skills and his changing direction to cover

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Speaker 4: at a high level. And I think to me, you know, well,

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Speaker 4: you've reckoned. Is just his impact on the game. But

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Speaker 4: what's harder to see is the impact he has on

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Speaker 4: the guys around him. And I think what makes great

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Speaker 4: players is when they make the guys around him better.

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Speaker 5: He does that.

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Speaker 4: I mean not only just the way he handles himself,

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Speaker 4: but the communication on the field, getting everybody right into

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Speaker 4: the right call, you know, talking to some of the

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Speaker 4: NFL personnel who we're here in our pro day last Wednesday.

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Speaker 5: You know that they shared that.

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Speaker 4: They said that, you know, talking to him, he might

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the one player of yours who's obviously physically you know,

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Speaker 1: you're Ohio State. You're not recruiting guys that can't play.

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Speaker 1: What worries me about rvel Reese a little bit is

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Speaker 1: that he's going into pro football and he doesn't quite

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Speaker 1: but it would worry me, you know, and Ryan, I

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Speaker 1: talk about this. I love recruiting, and I've seen so

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Speaker 1: many five star guys go to programs and they're just freaks.

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Speaker 1: But they don't They're not really great at anything. They're

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Speaker 1: just athletic. And I think the high levels of football

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Speaker 1: you go, even in college, it's it's hard to make

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Speaker 1: an impact if you're positionless. Is it reasonable to say

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Speaker 1: I love him athletically? He's been well coached, but I

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Speaker 1: worry about what is he exactly?

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Speaker 3: Does that worry you.

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 5: For us? When he first got here.

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Speaker 4: He came from Glenville, and you know ted Gan, and

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Speaker 4: you know, they know how to prepare guys to come

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Speaker 4: he came in as a linebacker, but spent about a

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Speaker 5: I think he can do both.

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Speaker 4: I think that's what people are excited about, is the versatility.

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Speaker 4: But the thing that's amazing to me is our Vello

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Speaker 4: the way he plays to me, is going to translate. Well,

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Speaker 4: I think the thing to your point is, you know,

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Speaker 5: This is a young player.

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Speaker 4: He can run and hit, he has great length, and

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of good receivers every draft. I

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of good receivers every year. It's the

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Speaker 1: game's never been more skilled. You guys have become literally

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Speaker 1: mean it's JSN has a style. Harrison's different than a book.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just all shapes, sizes, styles. What is

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think when you're trying to compare him, he's

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Speaker 4: Like he's got the length, he's a really good route runner,

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Speaker 5: You see him play physical.

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Speaker 4: During his career here and another guy that's coming out

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Speaker 5: I think you can see that when he runs his routes.

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Speaker 4: You know, he knows how to set a guy up,

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Speaker 4: he can create separation and then he can play on contact.

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Speaker 5: And I think the way he runs his routes.

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Speaker 4: Downfield, you're going to see the way that the NFL

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Speaker 4: no contact. You know, because of the clean route running

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Speaker 4: a number one wide receiver at any team he walks into.

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Speaker 1: People are reticent to draft linebackers too early. But you

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Speaker 1: smartest defensive minds in football college or pro. Is there

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Speaker 1: a comp for Sunny Styles at the next level, Like,

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I know, Matt, Matt loved working with him.

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Speaker 4: For me, you know, I was at Boston College with

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Speaker 4: in terms of you know, what what Luke did as

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Speaker 4: common is Sonny started safety. You know, Luke played safety

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Speaker 4: I think that that son, he's that same way. He

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Speaker 4: he understands how it all fits back there, just like

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Speaker 1: So you played against Fernando Mendoz. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: Mendoz is making throws against you.

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Speaker 1: And Iowa and Oregon and Miami that most college guys

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Speaker 1: What jumped off on tape when you first saw Mendoz.

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Speaker 1: You put the film in for the first time we

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Speaker 1: all watched the games. Ryan, when you watched the tape,

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Speaker 1: what as a coach you looked at and went, well,

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, somebody as good as he is. I mean,

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Speaker 4: there's there's multiple things. The first thing you look at

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Speaker 4: is he's got tremendous size. I mean, he's a big

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Speaker 4: really talk about some of those runs, but those were big,

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Speaker 5: I thought, to your point, he made a lot of

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Speaker 4: Whether it was third down throws, plays at the end

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Speaker 5: It was all like really.

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Speaker 4: Impressive and then obviously played clutch and then was consistent

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Speaker 5: You know, he seems like.

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Speaker 4: A guy that has a lot of intelligence in command

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Speaker 1: Another guy you saw is Reuben Bain in Miami. They

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Speaker 1: I guess there's something to it obviously, or they wouldn't

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Speaker 3: What do you make of that?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I think you look at everything.

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Speaker 4: Anytime we're evaluating, whether it's you know, somebody who's in

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Speaker 5: What they're going to look like at the next level.

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Speaker 4: That being said, you know, for me, you know the

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Speaker 4: Everything matters, but nothing's more important than production and competitiveness.

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Speaker 1: All right, Ryan Day, Ohio State. You know these days,

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Speaker 1: guys like you are recruiting, it feels like money as

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Speaker 1: much as players. Because of the nil it's a big

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Speaker 1: turn off for some You're obviously in a catbird seed

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Speaker 1: it arguably. I mean, I would say right now, Ohio

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Speaker 1: State's the best football program in America is you would

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Speaker 1: think the money's just you know, it's like a bank.

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Speaker 1: Everybody just wants to be a Buckeye and sign up.

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Speaker 1: Is it kind of exhausting sometimes the new world for

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Speaker 5: Well, we all have to adapt and if we don't adapt,

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Speaker 5: we die. But that's just how it works.

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Speaker 4: I was telling somebody the other day, I had a chance

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Speaker 4: and the dinosaurs that didn't adapt they.

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Speaker 5: All died off. So we all want to figure it out.

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Speaker 5: Because we don't, we're going to die. So anybody wants

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Speaker 1: Thanks all right, Ryan Day, great football coach at all

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Speaker 1: Ohio State. Seven years. They're eighty two and twelve in

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Speaker 3: I mean, you can play with the numbers.

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Speaker 1: I don't like the idea of you know, some schools

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Speaker 1: spend forty that that feels too close to professional. But

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Speaker 1: I will say you go watch that Miami Indiana football

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Speaker 1: game that was as smartly, well played, well coached. It

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Speaker 1: felt like thirty five percent NFL and I was I

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Speaker 1: was good with it. And you're watching, you know, Illinois

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Speaker 1: spend money overseas their coaches on tomorrow, Michigan. You watch

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Speaker 1: these basketball teams right now, there are four and five

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Speaker 1: NBA guys and it's it's just easy to watch. The

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Speaker 1: ratings are that are being produced are an illustration of

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Speaker 1: Americans usually know what quality is, and when you put

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Speaker 1: quality on, they watch in large numbers in college basketball

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Speaker 1: the last two to three years within al Up Up Up,

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Speaker 1: same with college football.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon Easter, not a em Pacific.

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Speaker 8: The College Basketball Crown is back, a premier postseason tournament

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Speaker 8: featuring major conference teams. The Crown Quarterfinals tip off on

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Speaker 8: Wednesday with Oklahoma, Colorado and Baylor versus Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: On FS one. So it's just gonna be great. So

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have Illinois. Illinois went out and bought wings

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Speaker 1: and bigs in Europe along with a fascinating story a

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Speaker 1: six to six guard from Kansas Keaton Woggler, and he's

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Speaker 1: a matchup problem. So Illinois number one offense in the country,

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Speaker 1: very intentional, they can beat you up with size. They've

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Speaker 1: got a you know, they've got their kind of version

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Speaker 1: of a guard that you know, six to six college

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Speaker 1: guard is a problem. So you know, they just come down,

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Speaker 1: run their sets, and they're a matchup problem at guard, wing,

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Speaker 1: and center. And they're going to take on Yukon with

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Speaker 1: their intensity and experience and physicality and confidence. So you're

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Speaker 1: going to have those are great matchups. I think, I like,

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Speaker 1: I think I like. I just think there's more offense.

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Speaker 1: I feel like Yukon is a score shy of beating Illinois.

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Speaker 1: And then you have the front court of Michigan and

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Speaker 1: their passing, which is insane, and the best defensive player

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Speaker 1: Mara Taken on Arizona, which has all sorts of depth.

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Speaker 1: They got NBA guys off the bench, great guard play.

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Speaker 1: So but the story yesterday is is how effortless Michigan's

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Speaker 1: offense makes it look. And the fight and intensity with Yukon.

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Speaker 1: You know, I mean, it's right now. They're men's and

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Speaker 1: women's programs are the best, and it's in Storage Connecticut.

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Speaker 1: Ryan Rossillo, who spent some time there on Hurley and

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Speaker 1: the Yukon comeback.

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Speaker 9: Out in the half and they're like, hey, maybe if

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Speaker 9: we just played tougher defense. They played with such defensive

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Speaker 9: intensity because they still never made any shots until the

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Speaker 9: last couple threes. They were still abysmal from three point range.

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Speaker 9: You Heardly say, hey, the momentum is changed, the momentum

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Speaker 9: is changed, and I was kind of like, I don't

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Speaker 9: really know that it's changed. We're just in the second half.

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Speaker 9: And that was four minutes into the second half. So whatever,

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Speaker 9: it is. As crazy as he can be in the sideline,

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Speaker 9: I think part of that crazy, that good crazy, is

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Speaker 9: being so delusional in getting every single kid to believe you.

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Speaker 1: You know, and so much like, for instance, Illinois is

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Speaker 1: a fascinating story. So when you're recruiting, you know, domestic kids,

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Speaker 1: there's some sleepers. The Keaton Woggler is a sleeper. He

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Speaker 1: was the two hundred and sixty first ranked high school

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Speaker 1: player out of Kansas and didn't go apparently into the

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Speaker 1: Big AAU tournaments. He was loyal to as coach, and

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Speaker 1: so he got overlooked. He was only offered two scholarships

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Speaker 1: Minnesota and Illinois, and then he got into campus. I

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Speaker 1: was reading this in the Athletic Guess. But he got

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Speaker 1: into campus he was like a two three star guy,

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Speaker 1: and everybody at Illinois is like, oh, we may have

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Speaker 1: just found the best sleeper in the country.

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Speaker 3: So he's a big matchup problem.

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Speaker 1: He's just one of those you know, when you get

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Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen year old kids, they just drow by leaps

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Speaker 1: and bounds every six months. And Illinois with that, you

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Speaker 1: know wing size European guys. But European guys are tougher

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Speaker 1: to recruit because it's complex and you know, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of people trying to sell you on players and

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Speaker 1: maybe don't know the leagues as well. You know, everybody

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Speaker 1: knows the top AAU programs, you have better connections domestically, perhaps,

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Speaker 1: So what Illinois has done is is they're just a

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Speaker 1: matchup problem. And you know, number one offense in the

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Speaker 1: country playing in the Big Ten.

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Speaker 3: Think about that.

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Speaker 1: So Illinois got the number one offense in the country

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Speaker 1: playing in the best conference against the best coaching, and

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Speaker 1: Michigan had, you know, the best defensive player arguably in

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Speaker 1: the country. What they're doing is super impressive and there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of ways to score. I had said earlier

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Speaker 1: Pace Illinois is more intentional than Pace. They're not up

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Speaker 1: and down the floor. They come down, they run their sets,

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Speaker 1: and they create matchup issues. And you know Michigan does

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Speaker 1: it with passing, three point shooting. You have to collapse

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Speaker 1: on their bigs and then they just kick it out.

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Speaker 3: And move it.

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Speaker 1: So, I mean, Brad Underwood, Illinois is on the show tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by their European recruiting and do we have

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Speaker 1: the play by play from the Yukon radio crew. You

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Speaker 1: were just what you watch. You don't see this a

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Speaker 1: lot in pro football because you're dealing with older athletes,

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Speaker 1: but at the college level, you can see players get tight.

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Speaker 1: You can see programs players melt and it felt a

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Speaker 1: little bit like, you know, Dukes was a little lost,

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Speaker 1: and they got piped and they got sloppy with turnovers.

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Speaker 1: And here's the call by yukon play by play, Sorry

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Speaker 1: gets it into.

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Speaker 3: Camp boozer, Boo boozer. Back to Star now.

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Speaker 10: Ahead to cayten boozer and you kind of got to

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Speaker 10: steal caravan for bullets for free. He hit, He hit

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Speaker 10: the long three pointer, crock a logo with three kids

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Speaker 10: of a second left to do, I don't believe it.

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Speaker 3: You got us take to be.

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Speaker 1: Lead a fifteen point deficit at half, and they came

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Speaker 1: roaring back. So U J Mac, I know you're in

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Speaker 1: your you are in your zone when you are watching

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Speaker 1: college basketball.

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Speaker 3: To this, I know you who had Duke.

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Speaker 1: I had Duke Ye, So I thought I was going

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Speaker 1: to get three of the four teams. I had Florida

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Speaker 1: in the final four. I thought before that shot, I

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Speaker 1: was going to get Michigan, Arizona and Duke in the

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Speaker 1: final four. I was like, oh, because it's a chalk tournament.

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Speaker 1: Now there they're really There was one massive upset and

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Speaker 1: that was Iowa over Florida.

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Speaker 3: But it's again, you and I talked about four.

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Speaker 1: I always thought all the March madness, there's plenty of

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Speaker 1: madness now it's just not twelve's beaten fives.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, but you would agree the games are captivating. I

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Speaker 8: mean again, a couple of years ago, we were looking

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Speaker 8: at no disrespect to Dusty may Fau, who else was

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Speaker 8: in that final four?

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Speaker 6: Was it like San Diego State?

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Speaker 8: It was just like, yes, we spent no time on

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Speaker 8: that final four leading up to that. Every day Now

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Speaker 8: I think we have a pretty good guest lineup. Like,

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Speaker 8: there's interesting topics here this Michigan team could like, is

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Speaker 8: this the better Michigan team than those Fab five teams

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Speaker 8: with Sewebb and Jalen Rose and Juana?

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Speaker 6: I don't know. They might win the title, but I

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Speaker 6: don't know the best.

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Speaker 1: The top five most expensive NIL rosters.

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Speaker 3: Are all out of the tournament.

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Speaker 1: Interesting BYU Louisville, Kentucky Duke the top five, So NIL matters.

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Speaker 1: It's coaching culture and the right gets.

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Speaker 3: Lennenboorg is the right fit for Michigan.

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Speaker 10: Five