WEBVTT - It Could Happen Here Weekly 231 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:03.120 Also media. 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:05.720 Hey everybody, Robert Evans here, and I wanted to let 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:09.440 you know this is a compilation episode, So every episode 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:12.720 of the week that just happened is here in one 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:16.520 convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:19.040 listen to in a long stretch if you want. If 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:21.000 you've been listening to the episodes every day this week, 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:22.759 there's going to be nothing new here for you, but 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:24.920 you can make your own decisions. 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:30.319 Hi, everyone, it's me James. I just wanted to do 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:33.040 very quick introduction to the episode. We have split it 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:36.000 into two parts because it went longer than we expected, 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:37.600 so you hear the first part to date, and you 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:39.000 will hear the second part tomorrow. 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:43.360 Welcome everyone to It's going to happen here. My name 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:46.479 is Mick, and I'm here with the lovely James Stouts 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:49.720 and the lovely Molly Conger. How are you guys doing. 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:54.360 I'm great, so excited. I just love violive France. I 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:57.480 love all things French. I've had such great times in France. 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:01.200 I just particularly lovely French identitarism. So I'm excited. 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:06.199 You love French, No, it's love it with like like French. 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:10.520 James out huge, I just love. 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:14.720 Like like the the idea like of the themong nations, 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:17.520 like France has chosen one. It's just like, I'm not 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:19.960 particularly anti French, but it is quite funny to me. 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:22.800 James travels to France every year to go to what 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:24.399 do they still have generation identity? 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:25.720 Yeah? 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:28.880 Every and I uh and every year they say, oh, well, 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:33.000 your accent is not correct. You've not used vo in 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:36.160 the in the requisite time. Therefore you are no longer 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:38.240 welcome here. I went to France once with some Quebec 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:41.040 quir friends. This is a funny, like low key identity story. 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:42.640 I've already derailed this. 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:45.399 Don't worry, don't worry. 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:47.760 I went with two Quebec quar friends and we like 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:51.280 were doing something official and I did it, conducted my 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:52.080 thing in French. 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:52.960 It was fine. 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:55.280 I speak French and this wasn't an issue for me. 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:57.840 And then they went up at this woman just when 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:00.600 you don't speak French, sir, and then begin and addressing 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:03.160 them in English because she was unwilling to accept the 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:05.160 coco quebecqua in France. 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:06.480 They're so mean. 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:09.640 Yeah, well, I for one am excited to hear about 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:11.800 I don't know a lot about this guy. 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:16.760 No, he's a weird little guy, my favorite kind of guy. Yeah, exactly, notably, 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:20.080 which is why I asked you. I'm also just recovering 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:23.520 from like an English person here saying that they love France. 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:28.160 But that must be like a historically first time that 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:28.519 that happen. 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:30.880 Good place to race bikes, It's a good place to 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:33.080 if you like to hang out in the mountains and 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:37.079 race bikes. Pretty much France, Spain. Maybe Italy is where 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:37.440 it's at. 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:39.880 I visited once and I didn't I don't know. People 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:41.800 are always saying that you are so cruel to Americans. 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:45.280 That wasn't my experience, but most people there long enough. 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:49.639 Yeah it's and you know, I'll always treasure the week 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:51.399 that I spent in Paris because it is the only 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:54.440 reason I didn't get deported from Germany for visa violations. 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:00.000 Okay, that that is a story I actually want to hear. 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:06.799 I've ever done recording. So but yeah, we're talking about 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:12.840 French identitarianism, French Nazis. But before you start, James, I 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:17.120 wanted to ask you a very important question. First, you 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:21.960 have a podcasting honorary degree, a PhD. I've heard that's right. 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:24.120 Yeah, me and Joe Rogan both. 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:27.240 Yeah, exactly, And I just must ask, how do you 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:30.720 deal with the recurring trauma of having to hear your 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:31.840 own voice on recording? 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:34.720 I play it at one point five time speed, so 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:35.760 it doesn't sound like me. 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:38.880 I was very curious about that. I've also had a 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:40.840 fair shoff having to hear my own voice, and it 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:42.440 just doesn't get any easier. No. 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:44.440 I thought I would struggle with it because I hate 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:47.920 the sound of my own voice in casual context, but 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:49.360 like listening to my own podcast. 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:53.120 I guess because I talk like this on my podcast 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:55.720 and it sounds a little different, right, So it's. 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:57.160 Like, oh, you go into podcast mode. 0:03:57.280 --> 0:03:59.640 Yeah, yeah, I have observe at Terry gross thing cooking. 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:02.320 Okay, okay, yeah, I'll try that. 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:06.600 I'll do my Molly voice next time. Well, see that 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:09.000 this is the kind of information that I need to 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:10.120 cope with. 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:12.680 Now you have to form an alter ego, oh. 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:17.400 Like a into your podcast self a podcast the Doctor 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:21.359 Checkle and mister Hyde exactly. Yeah, podcasting is just the 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:24.960 id of every man. Every every white guy in the 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:26.440 world has a podcasting id. 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:29.520 This is uh. Freud would have loved this era. 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:32.120 He wouldn't you don't have to psychoanalyze anyone anymore because 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:33.039 they just say shit. 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:34.400 Just say it. They'll just say it. 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:37.120 They put it on through social like it's not fun anymore. 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:38.440 He'd be bored. 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:41.479 Well, that would be counteracted by like the higher quality 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:43.960 cocaine that we have right now compared to his era. 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:47.440 You would also be prosecuted for feeding his children cocaine. 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:49.760 So you know, you win some of you lose some. 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:50.600 You never know. 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:53.880 Jeffrey Epteen got away with a lot of shit, Like 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:56.279 maybe maybe Freud could have joined the club. 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:58.960 That's a horrifying mix of worlds. 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:02.159 That's else about this French Nazis today. 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:05.920 Oh okay, okay, I'm just I'm starting with a bit 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:09.120 of an introduction because this story actually happens in my 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:14.440 hometown of Utrecht. Oh no, shit, Yeah. Somewhere midway through February, 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:17.400 a message started to circulate in far right circles in 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:21.160 the Netherlands. It originated from a group called Defend Netherlands, 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:24.839 who made a public call to visit the AKU on 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:29.440 the night of Thursday twenty sixth to remember Quentin killed 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:32.480 in a cowardly manner by Antifa in Lyon. Earlier that 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:36.000 month small side notes. All these groups are so proud 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:39.520 of the Netherlands but never used Dutch language, and it's huh, 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:42.640 it's my personal pet peeve. Did you any English? Yeah, 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:44.600 they call themsel like defend Netherlands. 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:48.320 Oh, it's called defend it's not translated. It's it's not translated. 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:52.520 That's so interesting I find with European Nazi groups used 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:53.760 primarily English. 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:55.880 It is because it is born American audience. 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:58.680 Yeah, they're trying to communicate something. 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:01.480 Because Americans only speaking yes, yeah, but. 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:05.680 Anyway, that was the message that was circulated on Instagram 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:08.599 and telegram. The top of the in which that was 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:11.720 shared showed a Celtic cross, a symbol with a Christian 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:16.200 and Pagan origins but politically often used by white supremacists 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:19.680 and neo fascist groups. At the bottom is an Italian 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:23.680 slogan in orange letters at the national color of the Netherlands, 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:30.200 reading pertucti camarati caluti presente. The slogan originates from the 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:34.600 Italian fascist movements and means for our fallen comrades present, 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:38.800 signaling that the fallen comrades are present in spirit. I 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:41.880 can hear you all thinking, what the fuck has the 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:44.760 depth in France to do with the political community center 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:47.920 in the Netherlands, because that is what accuus. It's a 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:52.359 community center. There's concerts, there's a bar, sometimes there's fundraisers. 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:55.839 There's nothing openness going on there, but lots of more 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:58.360 left leaning people visit there, which is I think why 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:03.680 it was the original target. So but to understand how 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:05.559 it came to be that the death of a French 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:08.719 Nazi caused threats to a Doutch bar, we'll have to 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:13.440 explore the circumstances of the death of Quentin Drank Dan. 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:17.920 You're asking the wrong crowd speaks French French. 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:21.360 I guess it's der hunk like what d e I 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:22.320 A n k e. 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:23.120 U e. 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:30.640 Q Okay, I will I will butcher dispronunciation. It's okay 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:33.320 if it's a Nazzi, yeah, exactly, it's okay. 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:37.320 If it's French that that Molly money's now going to 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:41.080 get kicked out of Paris never again, a law of money. 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:46.440 Okay, I'll help you circumvent Dutch fees. Don't worry. But 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:50.400 Dan Dan was a far right activist who died on 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:54.200 February fourteenth after a violent altercation between the far right 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:56.560 and the far left. I also want to make like 0:07:56.760 --> 0:08:00.440 a broad disclaimer, regardless of where anyone who listening to 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:03.560 this stance politically, I'm still going to say this was tragic. 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:07.760 Quentin was only twenty three, barely an adult, and as 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:11.440 much as his worldview and politics were vile, cruel, and 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:16.000 pretty much everything I'm personally opposed to, it was still 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:18.640 a son, a friend, and a family member. That that's 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:19.440 not coming home. 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:22.680 I think it's always a tragic thing for someone to 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:25.360 get beaten to death in the street, or at least almost. 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:27.360 Always, almost almost always. 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:30.040 But you know, I'm not saying it's wrong to punch 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:31.760 a Nazi in the face, but I think beating a 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:37.440 young man to death is probably not necessary in this case, definitely. 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:39.679 And I don't want to make it come off like 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:42.520 this is a celebration of some sorts, because it's not. 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:47.040 It's a tragedy. And as much as the world will 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:49.920 be a better place without his politics, I still think 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:53.600 it's within my own moral lines to say, like, fuck, 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:54.600 this shouldn't have happened. 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:59.000 Yeah, And I think that's important to acknowledge upfront, because 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:01.120 I think me if I'm wrong, I don't know exactly 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.880 where the conversation is going. But from what I have 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:06.680 seen in you know, following a bunch of telegram chats 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:09.120 from Nazis all over the world. And I haven't engaged 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:10.840 really with this story. I don't know a lot about it, 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:13.280 but I see his name a lot. So his death 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:16.360 has become something that isn't really about him. It's not 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:18.240 about the tragic death of a young man, even to 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:22.480 the people who are celebrating his life and using his death. 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:23.720 As a political tool. 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:25.840 Right, It's like, it's not about the tragedy of his 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:28.560 death for the people who would have been his friends. 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:33.120 No, and I think we could add some asterisks later 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:34.840 on with friends. 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:37.520 Because he wasn't white, wasn't he he. 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:39.319 Was half I think his mother was. 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:43.760 Peruvian, half Peruvian exactly. Yeah, anyway, sorry, sorry to derail me. 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:45.319 No, that's fine. 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:48.200 His death is tragic, and I think that is a 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:50.880 much more generous read of the situation than many of 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:53.240 his comrades would actually have. 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:56.720 Yeah. And also it's like, if I'm going to celebrate it, 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:59.280 then I'm no better than they would would be other 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:04.080 than being on the night different political aisle. So but 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:07.560 those two things can exist at the same time. But 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:10.840 to get back who was Quentin. He was a student 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:15.440 at Leon University. I've read contradictory reports on what it 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:17.800 exactly was that he studied, but it was in the 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:22.520 general area of mathematics and data science. Around his late teens, 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:26.320 he converted to Catholicism, and outside of his studies, he 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:31.160 was passionate about philosophy and ethics, specifically Saint Thomas Aquinas 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:34.760 and Saint Augustine. Those close to him who have spoken 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:36.600 with the media and describe him as more of a 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:41.520 bookworm than violent activist. Few quotes here to underline that 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:44.200 he was a normal young man who had reconnected with 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:47.599 his roots, who loved this country, his people, his civilization, 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:51.280 his religion. Quentin belongs to the legend. He is already 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:52.320 a hero and a barter. 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:56.880 Well, yeah, these are the things said by the people 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:57.680 who loved him. 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:00.520 This was a friend of his who spoke to the media. 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:03.040 Yeah, I mean, you always hear this about I mean, 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:05.440 I don't know anything about Quentin specifically, but just because 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:07.480 someone close to him said he was he was a 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:09.480 nice boy. He was never violent. You heard that about 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:12.640 mass shooters. Yeah, yeah, great, ass. 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:15.640 All exactly and apparently he was so devout in his 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:19.840 Catholicism that he managed to convince several family members to convert, 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:24.600 which led to him becoming his own father's godfather. Oh wow, 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:25.320 if you're. 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:27.720 An adult convert, anyone can be your sponsor any other 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:28.920 baptized Catholic adult. 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:30.959 Every he can confirmed Catholic adult. 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:34.760 But it still feels weird to me. It's like, who's 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:38.400 going to give who presents in in that dynamic? 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:42.320 Or yeah, what's the Christmas dynamic? Now does he do 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:43.319 you get? Do you get too? 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:43.640 Oh? 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:44.560 Yeah, exactly. 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:47.280 Otherwise they've just shorted you right like someone else could it. 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:49.240 Any any adult Catholic could have done that, and his 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:51.320 dad will be cashing in now exactly. 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:54.319 And now now it's just an equal trait, uh sort 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:56.560 of yeah, because they have to give each other presents. 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:00.640 The image painted of Quentin in the early day of 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:03.960 the coverage after his death overwhelmingly attempted to paint him 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:07.880 as like this devout person, as a curious bystander who 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:10.440 was either at the wrong place at the wrong time, 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:14.959 or ominously targeted by left wing militants. This narrative seemed 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:18.959 to dominate until his Twitter accounts were found. So you 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:20.520 already know where this is going. 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:22.400 Yeah, I agreet. 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:24.640 One of the first posts he bait was about his 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:28.640 support for the repeal of the Plevin and Guisa laws, 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:32.400 which are French laws that prohibit the Holocaust denial, among 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:40.479 other things. Subsequent posts throughout the following years were frequently antisemitic, racist, Islamophobic, fascist, 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:44.200 and homophobic. There will be some quotes later on. What 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:46.880 stood out to me most is that he seemed to 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:50.920 have like a very theoretical underpinning for his beliefs. This 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:53.680 is also a recurring theme that he seemed much more 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:58.120 ideologically constructed in his beliefs rather than your run of 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:01.120 the mill or your proud boy who are just like 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:03.840 straight dugs essentially. 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:06.440 Yeah, I mean, the French really do excel at sort 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:09.559 of academic anti semitism. So he's really I mean, that's 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:11.640 he's getting back to his French identity. 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:15.320 Right, exactly, Yeah, exactly. Unlike most French academics, half of 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:21.240 the things are completely impossible to understand. So another quote 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:25.079 from Quentin here, a fascist is someone who supports fascism, 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:28.520 someone who affirms the premacy of the state over the individual. 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:31.760 He wants the state to be a regenerative force, of 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:35.239 a moral order and to unite the nation. He opposes 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:36.760 liberalism and Marxism. 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:41.120 So if he hadn't had it that last caveat, it 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:43.640 could be describing like a Stalinist, right. 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:47.319 Like, yeah, I think that's why it was added. It 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:48.559 just copy pasted it. 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:51.960 And also, by the way, those commies, yeah all right. 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:57.360 Yes, the anti Tanky brigade has arrived. So sometimes he 0:13:57.400 --> 0:14:01.320 would also correct others or less in formed right wing activists, 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:05.199 and he said, fascists and anti fascists literally have two 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:09.760 opposing visions of society. Political violence is not unique to fascists. 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:12.160 It is intrinsic to politics when you have a bit 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:13.520 of character, a. 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:16.160 Bit of character that's oh well, well, yeah, that's I 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:20.000 mean ironic. I suppose, yeah, that's one or a rather 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:21.240 because it's not ironic. 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:26.360 Yeah, there is a broken clock moment in there in that. Like, 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:30.200 political violence is not unique to fascists. But then but they. 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:30.920 Tend to use it more. 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:33.160 I would like, you know, I was racking my brain 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:36.240 thinking about you know, sort of street deaths of this 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:39.280 nature that that I'm familiar with in my work about 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:40.560 you know, white supremacist violence. 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:43.520 They're usually the ones doing the killing. 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:46.920 Sure there's political violence not unique to fascism, but they 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:47.680 sure do love it. 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:51.520 If they have embraced it. Yeah, but when thinking about 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:53.880 the state and the how the state itself is like 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:57.880 a violence machine, absolutely sort of supports a status quo. 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:01.880 That's where I'm seeing the broken Clow moments and yeah, good, 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:04.560 did you notice a body that bit about you need 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:07.520 to have a bit of character because that also comes 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:11.720 back later On the twitters, he also commented about voting 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:15.800 for Fortress Europe, a fringe French political party led by 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:19.640 Pierre Marie Bono that made its campaign revolve around the 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:23.400 repeal of same sex marriage, reproductive rights and the creation 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:26.120 of a nationality codes and a new form of the 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:30.640 country's population census with additional religious and ethnic related criteria. 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:35.640 So like, already you know exactly what type of conservative 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:38.920 this guy was. There were also a lot of its 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:42.240 that sort of very racist terms against black and Muslim 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:48.720 people involving heart are words, including explicit calls from murder. 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:53.560 He used the acronym TND, which stands for Total Words Death. 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:57.520 Oh yeah, so I can kind of guess where he 0:15:57.640 --> 0:15:58.880 was hanging out online. 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:02.480 Oh yeah, well, he's really in deep your Twitter should 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:04.120 have been enough of the red flag for that to 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:07.280 be honest. Yeah, it's true, it's probably you could get 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:09.920 that whole world view just from eggs dot comly everything. 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:12.760 But if he's reposting like T and D type content 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:15.440 like this is this is not a guy who is 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:16.800 just reading Thomas Aquinas. 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:19.160 No, no, you get what I'm saying. But no one 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:23.800 should read Thomas Aquinas to be honest. Neither Saint Augustine. 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:29.240 I've read both some and nonstick. What I do find 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:32.640 very interesting was a particular tweet in which he compared 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:37.360 African migration to German occupation, where he expressed his preference 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:43.160 for doughleco selethic blondes over blacks with large nostrils and 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:47.800 disproportionate lips. Oh that's great, and that that's a very 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:51.400 nice scrabble word for those of you that play. It's 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:56.560 a facilating choice of words. It comes from nineteenth century anthropology, 0:16:57.000 --> 0:17:01.040 back when anthropology was the more problem than it is now. 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:06.080 It's like scientific racism pretty much. It comes from cephalometry, 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:08.200 the measuring of skulls and crania. 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:12.200 Yes, I love a good caliper guy ology. 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:15.560 No, this was like a branching off of phrenology. Okay, 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:19.000 I dove into this because it was like the is 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:22.640 he saying, yeah, But essentially it was used to make 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:25.800 different races, and of course the Aryan race was the 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:31.840 best one. Dooley's coocephalic refers specifically to the Aryan white race. 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:34.760 What he essentially said is that I prefer to be 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:39.520 occupied by white people. So great guy. And then this 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:41.520 is also how I come back to like how well 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:44.840 read he was in this garbage, because those are not 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:48.960 terms that you typically find when you're you're researching Nazis 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:54.840 or like the Nazi discourse. It almost is like an academic. 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:58.800 Level of I mean, that's very French, very French. 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:02.680 Well it it's reminded me of like creators of yours, 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:05.800 Molly Richard Spencer, who I think wants I'm not sure 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:06.239 if I can. 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:07.200 Oh he does. 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:11.400 He does love to let you know that he's read philosophy. Yeah, yeah, 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:15.480 he's not a common gutter racist. He's read papers, he's 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:16.600 read anthropology. 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:19.800 Okay, well we can bleep the following word out because 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:23.760 I'm not too into like American discourse to know if 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:26.480 I can say this, But I think at some point 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:29.679 he referred to like people of African ancestry as ork taroons. 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:31.280 Oh yeah, that's an it's a. 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:35.560 Very obscure, like old racial slur. Like it's something like 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:37.520 my great great grandparents would have. 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:38.280 Said, yeah, exactly. 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:41.399 Yeah, that's a fascinating Yeah, they love to flag so 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:42.280 they have read a book. 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:45.359 The N word is for common racists, I know, old 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:46.280 fashioned racials. 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:49.760 They genuinely do see themselves above in the hierarchy of 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:51.199 people who say that though like that. 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:53.920 With well, James has half a PhD, right. 0:18:54.359 --> 0:19:00.119 PH he had, he had to drop out of this 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:02.960 PhD program to pursue a career in professional racism. 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:04.000 I see. 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:09.160 To be fair, many people in the PhD academia world 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:09.960 could have done that. 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:11.840 Pursue a career in professional racism. 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:16.400 Yeah, yes, yeah, the thing I had observed in the academy, 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:20.200 I believe that instantly. Yeah, you could argue in fact 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:23.600 that in some disciplines having a PhD is pursuing a 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:25.400 career in professional racism. 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:28.720 Now I'm very curious as to what those disciplines are. 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:33.880 In anthropology more than fifty years ago. Oh yes, oh, 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:36.280 de definitely it would be the obvious one. 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:42.560 Yeah, it's as an anthropologist. Yeah, very much, very much true. 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:46.760 I could say it's it's less bad now nowadays that 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:50.240 it was fifty or years ago, but still there definitely 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:56.640 that there's still improvements to be made. And speaking of improvements, 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:00.359 you are the products and services that support this spot, guests, 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:16.960 And we're back. So we left off with Quentin being 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:21.240 on the twitters and saying Twitter things there, and what 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:25.040 you all gathered from this right now is that despite 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:28.280 what his friends and family and fellow fascists said, he 0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:31.520 was definitely not as peaceful or as harmless as they 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:33.639 tried to portray him. In the wake of his death, 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:38.159 he was also getting increasingly involved with far right self 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:43.520 defense groups, among possible others, Active Club France. 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:45.640 Oh that's a Nazi group. 0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:52.359 Oh you don't say, my poor philosophy student. With those people, 0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:57.720 he had regular interactions with them, also with Odas Leon, 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:02.400 who provided combat trainings in local park. Their slogans are 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:06.680 nothing new or interesting. White people need to defend themselves 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:10.480 against migration and the left. What was interesting was one 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:14.399 of these training sessions was with toy knives, where they 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:18.040 had the practice like dueling against each other, and to 0:21:18.080 --> 0:21:22.040 everyone's surprise, Quintin managed to defeat several people because he was. 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:23.840 Very He's kind of a sprawny little guy. 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:25.080 Yeah, exactly. 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:29.240 He studied the way of the blade to blade. 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:33.919 Yeah, specifically. I have not found a bench Shapiro Ninja 0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:36.879 photo of him, but it would have been appropriate. At 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:40.240 this point, I'm now quoting a little bit from media 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:43.040 parts that also the ones who unearthed a lot of 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:46.639 his tweets. In the spring of twenty twenty five, Quintin 0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:53.200 launched a small group in Bourgeois Jalieu. The ad sorry 0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:54.520 to the French speakers. 0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:54.920 Sounded good to me. 0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:59.800 Yeah. On May tenth in Paris, he was photographed wearing 0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:03.560 a partially covered by a neckwarmer and participated with a 0:22:03.600 --> 0:22:07.560 small group into a neo Nazi march that was organized 0:22:07.600 --> 0:22:11.800 annually in homage to a member of the Bitanist group, 0:22:12.320 --> 0:22:17.160 le'vre Francois, who died in nineteen ninety four. Aloes Bourgeois 0:22:17.200 --> 0:22:20.480 also paid tribute to Jean Marie la Perre one year 0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:22.720 after the death of the founder of the National Front. 0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:27.560 They now go by the Supplement and Nacional r N. 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:32.520 I suppose it's a rebranding exercise, so at this point 0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:35.359 I think amongst ourselves we can agree that he was 0:22:35.400 --> 0:22:39.360 not a particularly innocent philosopher or good hearted, saintly person. 0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:42.720 It feels much more like he was someone who acted 0:22:42.720 --> 0:22:44.120 on his beliefs, a neo. 0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:47.080 Nazi and someone who is a member of several violent 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:48.640 neo Nazi organizations. 0:22:48.960 --> 0:22:52.440 Yeah, that tends to be like a very strict causation 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:55.560 between hanging out with those groups and being one. 0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:58.440 And I'd be very curious to know sort of what 0:22:58.680 --> 0:23:02.600 order these things happened in. Was his conversion to Catholicism 0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:06.080 part of his descent into these neo Nazi groups, because 0:23:06.720 --> 0:23:09.920 the sort of traditionalist Catholicism he was involved in, Because 0:23:09.920 --> 0:23:13.560 it looks like he was involved in Academia Christiania, which 0:23:13.600 --> 0:23:17.639 is not that's not normal, that's not church, that's a 0:23:17.720 --> 0:23:18.320 Nazi group. 0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:21.520 Absolutely, in so far as I can tell, I think 0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:24.040 his conversion happened earlier, so. 0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:26.800 Maybe a sincere conversion to Catholicism, but then he got 0:23:26.840 --> 0:23:31.920 involved in traditionalism, maybe as part of his entry into 0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:32.960 far right politics. 0:23:33.240 --> 0:23:37.359 I know these things are very intertwined. Given the like this. 0:23:37.359 --> 0:23:40.439 This Academia Christiana group was founded by one of the 0:23:40.480 --> 0:23:46.520 founders of Generation Identity these things are overlapped completely. He 0:23:46.600 --> 0:23:48.720 wasn't just going to Catholic Church. He was going to 0:23:48.760 --> 0:23:55.680 a very extreme right wing anti Semitic, identitarian traditionalist subgroup. 0:23:55.800 --> 0:23:58.960 Yeah, to the Westboro Baptist Church. Pretty much. 0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:01.359 French Catholicism. 0:24:01.840 --> 0:24:06.320 French Catholicism. I don't know how many groups we've insulted 0:24:06.359 --> 0:24:07.480 with that comparison. 0:24:08.520 --> 0:24:10.879 It's fine, we'll have to have Italian. 0:24:11.960 --> 0:24:15.000 Oh, okay, then that's good. But with that bit of 0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:18.199 context about like Quentin's background behind him, we're going to 0:24:18.240 --> 0:24:20.960 go to the faithful day of February twelve when he 0:24:21.040 --> 0:24:24.440 was beaten. He was not fatally beaten, I have to say. 0:24:24.960 --> 0:24:27.359 But more on that a tiny bit later. On the 0:24:27.440 --> 0:24:32.800 day of February twelve, a French eupolemeritarian, a Palestinian woman 0:24:32.960 --> 0:24:36.159 named Rima Hassan, was giving a speech at the Leon 0:24:36.280 --> 0:24:39.840 Institute of Political Studies. Hassan is a member of the 0:24:39.880 --> 0:24:45.440 French far left party Lace Sums French Unbowed. A counter 0:24:45.560 --> 0:24:49.040 protest was announced by the far right feminist group Nemesis, 0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:52.640 for which some fascist groups volunteer to do security at 0:24:52.640 --> 0:24:53.240 the protest. 0:24:53.800 --> 0:24:55.680 Yeah, James, I see the look on your face. Girls 0:24:55.720 --> 0:24:56.720 can do fascism too. 0:24:57.200 --> 0:25:01.000 Yeah, I'm sorry on the train chains. 0:25:01.640 --> 0:25:05.120 Yeah, okay, women's rights and women's wrongs. 0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:10.360 This is the only women's wrongs I will ever support. 0:25:10.960 --> 0:25:14.160 I am curious what neo nazi feminism looks like, because 0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:18.800 they're not just like women's fascist group. Yeah, fascist feminist group. 0:25:18.840 --> 0:25:21.000 What do you think those words mean, babe? Yeah, I'm 0:25:21.000 --> 0:25:22.680 gonna find out more about that on my own time. 0:25:23.000 --> 0:25:25.640 Yeah, yes, this is going to be Money's Evening gets 0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:26.400 logged in now. 0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:28.920 Yeah, I can give you some pointers. 0:25:29.960 --> 0:25:33.520 I'm familiar with women doing fascist organizing, but it's usually 0:25:33.640 --> 0:25:37.400 in sort of a convery, confined to a traditional female role. 0:25:38.080 --> 0:25:39.560 So what are fascist feminists? 0:25:39.640 --> 0:25:43.240 It was like the cession feminina of Francoist if if 0:25:43.240 --> 0:25:45.760 that's any indication, but maybe so. 0:25:45.840 --> 0:25:48.280 Yeah, he was just being a gentleman providing security for 0:25:48.359 --> 0:25:49.560 these girl boss Nazis. 0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:53.800 Pretty much. There is a very girl boss photo I found. 0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:56.440 I'll pull it up bit a bit, but yeah, they 0:25:56.440 --> 0:26:01.480 are identitarian air quotes. Feminists blame all sexual violence on 0:26:01.520 --> 0:26:06.159 people of color and Muslims. It is okay, great, Yeah, 0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:07.440 we knew this was coming. 0:26:07.880 --> 0:26:11.440 I bet there are white boyfriends never never missing. 0:26:11.000 --> 0:26:14.919 Never they respect to women no, depending on her race. 0:26:14.880 --> 0:26:16.679 And her politics, of course. 0:26:16.800 --> 0:26:20.600 And in the Beauty of the White Arian Woman, James Please. 0:26:21.680 --> 0:26:25.720 A founder and frequent guest on various French writing platforms, 0:26:25.760 --> 0:26:29.679 Alice Cordier was the one who founded this collective. They 0:26:29.680 --> 0:26:31.920 seem to have like a few hundred people in the collective, 0:26:32.000 --> 0:26:35.399 but like a very small inner circle of like twelve people. 0:26:36.160 --> 0:26:38.800 And Alice Cordier was already at the center of a controversy. 0:26:39.359 --> 0:26:43.480 On March tenth this year, journalist Ricardo Pereira posted a 0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:47.280 photo on Twitter of Alice mimicking an ASS symbol with 0:26:47.359 --> 0:26:50.840 her hands. And in this photosho, wow, she's together with 0:26:51.000 --> 0:26:55.000 former Lyon Populaire member who is allegedly now fighting with 0:26:55.359 --> 0:26:57.400 the ass of a battalion in Ukraine. 0:26:57.760 --> 0:26:59.879 Wow, it's all coming together. 0:27:00.520 --> 0:27:04.639 Yeah exactly. So this is Alice doing an AS symbol 0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:05.400 her hands. 0:27:05.720 --> 0:27:10.639 Oh yeah, okay, look at her Okay, yeah, yeah, wow. 0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:12.280 That looks very intentional. 0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:16.200 This doesn't seem like a gesture you would make by accidents. 0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:17.840 Hm hmmm. 0:27:18.880 --> 0:27:24.760 Alice called a bas question, what does this sign mean? 0:27:25.119 --> 0:27:30.159 Yeah exactly, And just because we were talking about the 0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:32.040 Girl Boss, can you see it? 0:27:32.760 --> 0:27:33.280 Oh wow? 0:27:33.400 --> 0:27:36.679 Yeah, oh wow, Okay, well wow they are Wow what 0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:37.479 a vibe. 0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:43.520 Yeah, definite girl bosses m hm yeh. Pant suit fascism. 0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:47.879 Business casual fascism for the woman in the workplace. 0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:48.240 Wow. 0:27:48.440 --> 0:27:52.200 Yeah, it's the other pantsuit nation, yeah. 0:27:52.040 --> 0:27:53.320 An all white pantsuit nation. 0:27:53.880 --> 0:27:55.960 Yea yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:27:56.240 --> 0:27:59.480 Although two of those women don't actually look Anglo Saxon. 0:27:59.800 --> 0:28:01.119 It's so interesting to me. 0:28:02.600 --> 0:28:05.000 That's something for the French to figure out. 0:28:05.560 --> 0:28:09.800 French identity and national identity is different. 0:28:10.000 --> 0:28:14.399 It's more immigrants. Your grandparents were fine. 0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:18.639 Yeah, ladder up exactly. Now now it's starting to punch 0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:21.159 down on the other people who've had We don't have 0:28:21.200 --> 0:28:25.160 the opportunities my parents had. Yeah, not a phenomenon that's 0:28:25.200 --> 0:28:25.919 unique to France. 0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:26.960 Oh no, not at all. 0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:29.640 I mean settle a colonial country of the United States. 0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:34.240 French and colonialism, James, really no, they never would do that, 0:28:34.520 --> 0:28:38.200 not the French. All those places were parts of France. 0:28:38.640 --> 0:28:40.000 They're not still doing that. 0:28:41.000 --> 0:28:43.480 No. I think all cheers would like to have a 0:28:43.520 --> 0:28:47.600 word with you. Molly. That that was Alice from a 0:28:47.880 --> 0:28:49.160 like the Nemesis Collective. 0:28:49.400 --> 0:28:51.160 Yeah, that's a collection of my nemesies. 0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:55.280 Now, yeah, like that is the name I used when 0:28:55.320 --> 0:28:57.200 I was fourteen and I had to make up a 0:28:57.280 --> 0:28:59.880 character name when I was playing video games or something. 0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:04.400 It's like, it's not original. Yeah, it is extremely teenage. 0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:10.280 Like Angel of Darkness, levels of cringe, something like that. Yeah. 0:29:10.520 --> 0:29:14.080 But what I found most frightening about these people, though, 0:29:14.160 --> 0:29:17.440 is they seem to be incredibly media sevy and cunning 0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:21.560 as a group. And to give you an example, in 0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:24.520 June of twenty twenty four, several members of this group 0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:28.520 infiltrated an anti far right protest in Paris. They had 0:29:28.520 --> 0:29:33.120 brought slogans highlighting legal convictions or trials from several high 0:29:33.120 --> 0:29:38.400 profile far left French politicians. This includes Jean Lucam Malechon, 0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:43.360 who was convicted of inciting rebellion or revolution in twenty nineteen. 0:29:43.760 --> 0:29:46.240 That that's for the CV, right there, the thing for 0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:47.640 the French to make illegal. 0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:51.880 That one cool thing we did, we'll never do it again, 0:29:52.120 --> 0:29:52.720 never again. 0:29:53.200 --> 0:29:57.000 Yeah, yeah, the best thing about France pulling the old 0:29:57.040 --> 0:29:58.040 ladder up behind them. 0:29:57.960 --> 0:30:02.040 Again exactly, there's no return to tradition if that's the 0:30:02.080 --> 0:30:04.520 thing you're going to make illegal. And I thought these 0:30:04.520 --> 0:30:09.880 guys were traditionalists exactly like same with the Dutch. We 0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:12.880 can't do it anymore. But I think back in the 0:30:12.920 --> 0:30:17.600 seventeen hundreds we literally clubbed some high functionary to death 0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:20.000 and ate him and his brother. 0:30:20.640 --> 0:30:22.560 We can't do it anymore, but we can't do it 0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:26.160 anywhere just because of woke, Because of woke exactly. 0:30:26.840 --> 0:30:31.280 This is the one Dutch tradition I foolheartedly support. If 0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:36.400 you're upset with your elected official now well elected air quotes, 0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:39.560 because I don't think they were elected, then now you know, 0:30:39.720 --> 0:30:42.800 some casual cannibalism might just do the trick. Yeah, well, 0:30:42.840 --> 0:30:43.040 if you. 0:30:43.000 --> 0:30:46.120 Guys bring back clubbing out of control elected officials, we 0:30:46.160 --> 0:30:47.800 could look the other way on some of your more 0:30:47.880 --> 0:30:49.480 questionable Christmas traditions. 0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:53.360 Oh, I know, if we could. That's not a Christmas tradition, 0:30:53.520 --> 0:30:54.760 but I know what you mean. 0:30:56.120 --> 0:30:57.600 I think I'm going to look the other way on 0:30:57.640 --> 0:31:01.520 that one. No, okay, the chimney sweep, guys, it's just 0:31:01.520 --> 0:31:02.240 the chimney sweep. 0:31:02.280 --> 0:31:02.840 It's fine. 0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:06.440 Yeah, that's uh, that's what's called an Easter egg for listeners. 0:31:06.440 --> 0:31:09.160 You can google that in your own don't google it. Yeah, 0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:10.680 you're going to see some racist ship. 0:31:10.840 --> 0:31:12.800 Back to this guy getting beaten to death. 0:31:13.320 --> 0:31:16.520 Not to death, just being beaten he did die. He 0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:21.120 did die, but apparently when everyone had flat he refused 0:31:21.120 --> 0:31:25.600 to go to the hospital despite several non activitist bystanders 0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:28.560 like emphasiagic, like, hey, you should go to the hospital, 0:31:29.120 --> 0:31:33.440 and he did not. He walked for at least one 0:31:33.480 --> 0:31:35.880 and a half kilometers like a little more than a 0:31:35.880 --> 0:31:40.160 mile for the Americans, thank you, and he he then 0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:43.880 collapsed and he was in a coma for two days 0:31:43.880 --> 0:31:46.600 in the hospital, and then on Valentine's Day he died. 0:31:47.000 --> 0:31:47.640 A real bummer. 0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:50.800 So yeah, and that's also why I'm going to say, 0:31:50.840 --> 0:31:54.080 like that he wasn't fatally beaten, because I don't know 0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:55.040 if well. 0:31:55.040 --> 0:31:57.280 So, I mean, at least in American law, he did 0:31:57.360 --> 0:32:00.280 die of injuries inflicted from that beating, So you would 0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:03.000 say the people who inflicted that beating on him did 0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:03.880 cause his death. 0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:06.120 Yeah, so I mean under American law. 0:32:06.000 --> 0:32:09.040 Like, if you get shot today and you die from 0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:11.920 a disability from that shooting ten years from now, you 0:32:11.920 --> 0:32:12.479 were murdered. 0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:15.840 Yeah. I hate that. I'm surprised by this. 0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:19.160 Because you would not be dead but for those injuries. 0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:20.840 If he had not been hit in the head, yeah, 0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:21.920 he would not have died. 0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:24.440 Indeed, you can in fact not be the person doing 0:32:24.480 --> 0:32:26.480 the shooting and still be chied for murder in US 0:32:26.480 --> 0:32:27.280 as someone. 0:32:27.440 --> 0:32:31.400 That's a different problem. The felony murder problem is very 0:32:31.400 --> 0:32:34.360 serious here. But but no, I mean, he would not 0:32:34.520 --> 0:32:36.280 have died had he not been beaten. 0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:37.920 So he was beaten to death. 0:32:37.960 --> 0:32:40.840 It was just that it would It is perhaps possible 0:32:40.840 --> 0:32:41.920 that he could have survived. 0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:44.480 Yeah, he had, he attempted to survive. 0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:46.960 I don't know if he would have survived if he 0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:49.840 had called if hits, called an ambulance straight after. 0:32:50.080 --> 0:32:50.720 That's the other thing. 0:32:50.800 --> 0:32:52.120 That's the other thing is if he had that, if 0:32:52.160 --> 0:32:55.040 he had that much probably intracranial bleeding that he collapsed 0:32:55.280 --> 0:32:56.280 pretty soon afterwards. 0:32:56.320 --> 0:32:57.480 He may have died regardless. 0:32:57.840 --> 0:32:59.640 We'll never know, probably. 0:32:59.600 --> 0:33:02.440 Right, but I would say he was fatally beaten because 0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:05.080 he would not have died if the beating, at least 0:33:05.120 --> 0:33:07.240 under American under American law, that would be the case. 0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:08.160 I don't know about in France. 0:33:08.720 --> 0:33:11.480 It's probably worth noting that, like the American phenomenon of 0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:14.400 not wanting to go in an ambulance to hospital because you. 0:33:14.360 --> 0:33:16.480 Know that you will have life altering medical. 0:33:16.160 --> 0:33:19.880 Bills like this is believe me, as someone who did 0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:21.600 not grow up in the United States and now lives here. 0:33:21.680 --> 0:33:26.280 Is a unique and quite disturbing character trait of people 0:33:26.320 --> 0:33:28.600 living in the United States, like because. 0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:30.080 People are thinking like. 0:33:31.800 --> 0:33:33.880 Yeah, like I personally have not gotten an ambulance when 0:33:33.880 --> 0:33:36.400 I should have done in the United States because I 0:33:36.440 --> 0:33:38.080 knew that I wouldn't be able to pay the bills. 0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:40.440 Oh, if I'm conscious and able to walk on my 0:33:40.480 --> 0:33:42.360 own two feet, I'm not getting an animalance. 0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:42.760 Yeah. 0:33:42.920 --> 0:33:45.400 This is just just so people understand that this is 0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:47.520 not a thing that people tend to do as much, 0:33:47.920 --> 0:33:49.719 at least not for that reason in Europe. 0:33:49.880 --> 0:33:51.480 He just don't want to be a pussy. 0:33:51.520 --> 0:33:54.160 I guess, I don't know. I can also imagine that maybe, 0:33:54.280 --> 0:33:57.000 like after authorities were alerted, that maybe he would have 0:33:57.040 --> 0:33:59.440 been visited by police in the hospital due to the. 0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:02.160 Fight, right, because he was involved in a conflict. 0:34:02.480 --> 0:34:05.880 Yes, And I have some photos later on, like images 0:34:06.000 --> 0:34:09.000 taken by I think a journalist where you just see 0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:11.960 the black leads like fascists with like iron bars in 0:34:12.000 --> 0:34:15.160 their hands and everything. So I would say that the 0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:19.759 self defense motive is very indefensible. You know what, let's 0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:23.080 take an ad break, you know who who won't beat 0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:25.719 you to death with a bar, to death with a 0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:27.200 bar allegedly. 0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:30.560 I'm pretty sure none of our advertisers have ever beaten 0:34:30.600 --> 0:34:31.680 someone to death with a pipe. 0:34:31.719 --> 0:34:35.120 M Oh no, I can't guarantee that. 0:34:35.320 --> 0:34:37.800 A mining company who can say. 0:34:37.719 --> 0:34:40.920 They will not beat you the listener to death. Probably. 0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:43.800 I was about to plug the Washington Highway state patrol, 0:34:43.920 --> 0:34:48.200 but I'm not sure if I can do that. They 0:34:48.200 --> 0:34:50.399 can get to be in the Netherlands some safe Yeah. 0:34:50.840 --> 0:35:06.480 That and we're back unbeaten with iron bars. So when 0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:08.920 we left off, we were supposed to talk about more 0:35:08.920 --> 0:35:12.520 about nemesis, so we'll continue there. Yeah, they were carrying 0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:16.960 slogans with like accusations and trials of like left prominent 0:35:17.040 --> 0:35:20.960 left wing politicians, but they had them covered up with 0:35:21.120 --> 0:35:24.279 like regular slogans. So at some point they unfilled their 0:35:24.320 --> 0:35:27.799 actual slogans and they repeatedly chanted to the crowd of 0:35:28.080 --> 0:35:32.879 antifar right protesters, you're not feminists. This action only took 0:35:32.920 --> 0:35:37.000 about two minutes, a combination of chants being sped on 0:35:37.480 --> 0:35:41.040 and the general hostility that I imagine followed very quickly. 0:35:41.440 --> 0:35:45.239 I'm feeling general hostility and I'm not even there now. 0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:47.640 Now what you've seen the Girl Boss photo. Now, so 0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:51.879 you know why that's why you feel hostile. Maybe it's 0:35:51.960 --> 0:35:57.120 just the pantsuits. Those two minutes were enough though, because 0:35:57.200 --> 0:35:59.440 they had the content and the images that they were after. 0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:03.640 Also brought bodyguard to protect them, which again it's this 0:36:03.880 --> 0:36:07.800 this saviness and this this cunningness that I said earlier, 0:36:08.360 --> 0:36:11.720 like they know they're going to be provoked and possibly attacked, 0:36:11.719 --> 0:36:14.319 so they're already preemptively bringing bodyguards. 0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:16.319 Well, they're not going to be provoked. They were going 0:36:16.360 --> 0:36:17.040 there too. 0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:20.400 They went they went to someone else's rally to do 0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:23.520 a provocative stunt, and so they it makes sense, you'd 0:36:23.920 --> 0:36:25.160 if I was going to if I was going to 0:36:25.160 --> 0:36:26.920 cause problems on purpose, I'll bring your bodyguard. 0:36:26.960 --> 0:36:29.160 Okay, Okay, I'll make sure to watch out for you 0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:31.120 if you ever bring a bodyguard and I see you. 0:36:32.400 --> 0:36:34.600 But yeah, those two minutes they proved enough. They had 0:36:34.840 --> 0:36:37.359 the content and the images they were after, which were 0:36:37.440 --> 0:36:41.640 quickly published by far right magazines. Social media accounts for 0:36:41.880 --> 0:36:45.000 members of the collective were later interviewed by c News, 0:36:45.200 --> 0:36:49.200 and Cordier herself was hosted on europe One. Both of 0:36:49.239 --> 0:36:52.919 these stations are owned by Vincente Bolour, who is sort 0:36:52.960 --> 0:36:57.279 of rupert murdering portions of the French media ecosystem. So 0:36:57.760 --> 0:37:01.880 again not surprising to anyone, and in so far as 0:37:01.880 --> 0:37:04.560 I can tell, this is also nemesis preferred method of 0:37:04.600 --> 0:37:09.040 getting attention. There are modus operandi, the big high visibility 0:37:09.080 --> 0:37:12.800 locations or events where they provoke their opponents through their messaging, 0:37:13.200 --> 0:37:17.640 and when confronted by people opposing their racism and their views, they'll. 0:37:17.400 --> 0:37:19.160 Play the victim cards, classic maneuver. 0:37:19.600 --> 0:37:21.399 Yeah exactly, Yeah, and it's the. 0:37:21.320 --> 0:37:24.799 Best way to get positive attention while not actually having 0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:27.680 enough numbers to hold your own rally that anyone would notice. 0:37:28.040 --> 0:37:31.800 Exactly. But again we're coming back to this. This feels 0:37:31.880 --> 0:37:34.319 much more sevy and thought out than Oh. 0:37:34.320 --> 0:37:37.520 Absolutely, it's a clever strategy, but it's like the media 0:37:37.600 --> 0:37:40.200 keeps falling for it, Like you don't have to interview 0:37:40.239 --> 0:37:42.360 the head of this little Nazi group just because they 0:37:42.400 --> 0:37:43.360 put on a nice outfit. 0:37:43.400 --> 0:37:45.239 It's the Richard Spencer problem all over again. 0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:47.880 Yeah, just because they dress nice doesn't mean just. 0:37:47.880 --> 0:37:49.480 Because he owns a little suit jacket. 0:37:50.120 --> 0:37:54.160 Now, this is why I don't own any suits, just 0:37:54.200 --> 0:37:59.000 to avoid being associated. In November twenty nineteen, they infiltrated 0:37:59.000 --> 0:38:02.480 a Paris March against sexual and gender based violence, and 0:38:02.520 --> 0:38:05.840 then they brandish science referring to foreign rapists. 0:38:06.400 --> 0:38:07.200 I hate these women. 0:38:07.440 --> 0:38:09.319 Yeah, you'd have to have a woman on so that 0:38:09.360 --> 0:38:12.760 we could so someone can say, are dumb bitches? 0:38:14.880 --> 0:38:20.120 It's legal for me to say yes. In hindsight, I'm 0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:22.399 very glad that you're here to say those things of alli, 0:38:23.160 --> 0:38:27.399 because I won't talk about women's wrongs, but you can, 0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:28.520 which I mean. 0:38:28.520 --> 0:38:31.359 It's just it's so cynical and so nasty to show 0:38:31.400 --> 0:38:36.120 up to an anti rape march to displace the blame 0:38:36.160 --> 0:38:39.680 for sexual violence onto immigrants, to just like, yeah, ooh, 0:38:39.719 --> 0:38:41.440 gross gross. 0:38:41.280 --> 0:38:45.640 Yeah, that's that's like ninety percent of right wing politics 0:38:45.680 --> 0:38:46.360 the moment. 0:38:46.640 --> 0:38:48.680 Right, But for the women themselves to be doing because 0:38:48.680 --> 0:38:50.719 you see men do it all the time, but these 0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:54.120 women know better, because I guarantee you at least half 0:38:54.160 --> 0:38:57.360 of those women have been sexually assaulted and it probably 0:38:57.400 --> 0:39:00.200 wasn't by an immigrant, like you know better, you know better. 0:39:00.360 --> 0:39:03.840 Let's call it. Yeay says she she suffered from a 0:39:03.920 --> 0:39:06.439 sexual assault by immigrants, but there's no way to prove 0:39:06.480 --> 0:39:09.760 it because it was allegedly when she was thirteen or fourteen, 0:39:10.000 --> 0:39:14.759 So it's just this after defect justification that you can't 0:39:14.760 --> 0:39:18.399 prove or disproof either way. And even even if we 0:39:18.400 --> 0:39:20.200 were going to say, okay, you know what, we'll take 0:39:20.200 --> 0:39:21.560 that argumented face value. 0:39:22.000 --> 0:39:22.399 I won't. 0:39:22.640 --> 0:39:23.960 That is your prerogative. 0:39:24.480 --> 0:39:27.239 No, I just you see, it reminds me, It mains 0:39:27.280 --> 0:39:30.560 me so much of this. This funny little you Nazi 0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:34.840 con artist that was she testified in the Oklahoma City trials. 0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:37.279 She had this like her origin story was. 0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:40.320 Like, oh, like I became a racist because I was 0:39:40.360 --> 0:39:42.759 listening to racist radio shows while I was recovering. Because 0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:45.400 I was attacked by a gang of black teenagers and 0:39:45.400 --> 0:39:48.239 I broke my legs. She broke her legs because she 0:39:48.280 --> 0:39:50.239 got drunk at the park and she jumped off a 0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:52.120 giant Crucidex set up for a passion place. 0:39:55.520 --> 0:39:57.759 Okay, okay, so. 0:39:57.840 --> 0:40:00.080 This whole like, oh, my origin story is like I 0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:02.640 was assaulted by a gang of people of color, Like 0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:05.200 I believe you anyway. 0:40:05.239 --> 0:40:07.480 Completely valid. But what I meant to say is like, 0:40:07.800 --> 0:40:10.360 even if that were true, there's no argument to like 0:40:10.560 --> 0:40:12.360 generalize it to an entire population. 0:40:12.840 --> 0:40:15.799 No, or just show up to the anti rape march 0:40:15.840 --> 0:40:16.720 to cause a scene. 0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:19.279 Girl, go home, yeah, you'd think, Yeah, if you've been 0:40:19.320 --> 0:40:22.279 subject to sexual assault, you would want to be in 0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:25.640 solidarity with other people, maybe make sexual assaults stop happening, 0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:29.920 like period, not focus on a subset of human beings. 0:40:30.040 --> 0:40:32.400 But James, what you're forgetting there is that sexual violence 0:40:32.440 --> 0:40:35.320 is okay if it's done by white people. Okay according 0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:36.719 to Nemesis. 0:40:36.280 --> 0:40:38.080 And in a biblical way, you know, within the bounds 0:40:38.120 --> 0:40:38.719 of marriage. 0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:43.480 Yeah, in the holy bounds of matrimony. So yeah, what 0:40:43.520 --> 0:40:47.839 this group essentially does is they tie feminism or their 0:40:48.040 --> 0:40:50.640 brand of it. Yeah, thank you for the air quotes. Yeah, 0:40:50.719 --> 0:40:53.040 they tie it to their nationalism. But they focus solely 0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:56.279 on sexual violence, and even then only the violence that 0:40:56.400 --> 0:40:58.040 is connected to like migrants. 0:40:58.239 --> 0:41:00.800 So it's no feminism at all. It's just it's a lie. 0:41:01.600 --> 0:41:05.200 You won't be surprised that they're awfully silent about equal 0:41:05.280 --> 0:41:07.160 pay or abortion rights. 0:41:07.920 --> 0:41:09.720 Well, I imagine they're probably anti abortion. 0:41:10.200 --> 0:41:10.719 How did you. 0:41:10.640 --> 0:41:13.120 Guess that, boy, depends who's getting the abortion. 0:41:13.239 --> 0:41:16.560 I would assume I will send them like an email 0:41:16.600 --> 0:41:20.400 to ask for a verification, to specify I need more coverage. 0:41:20.520 --> 0:41:23.280 That's the way we should respond to this exactly. 0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:25.360 And I want to know which abortions are okay and 0:41:25.400 --> 0:41:29.799 which are not, so I can accurately make you know 0:41:29.920 --> 0:41:33.680 a herrowing story of it. Anyway, This exploitation of women's 0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:37.440 issues by far right groups to proliferate their bullshits worldview 0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:41.759 and pull people in is called femo nationalism. It was 0:41:41.800 --> 0:41:46.360 coined by the British sociologist Sarah R. Feris in twenty seventeen, 0:41:46.840 --> 0:41:49.720 which might be a broader topic worth exploring in the future. 0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:52.120 Yeah, I'm very interested you too. 0:41:52.440 --> 0:41:54.480 People have been complaining that I never talk about we're 0:41:54.480 --> 0:41:55.440 little girls. 0:41:55.640 --> 0:42:02.319 Well now you can, Ellis Cordier. For now. It is 0:42:02.400 --> 0:42:05.160 love to see this what they're doing as some sort 0:42:05.200 --> 0:42:09.680 of bucked up arranged marriage of feminism and ethnic nationalism 0:42:09.920 --> 0:42:14.759 that views gender issues explicitly through the lens of ethnicity. Yeah, 0:42:14.800 --> 0:42:17.840 and as I said before, they're notably very quiet on 0:42:18.000 --> 0:42:23.600 bodily autonomy, workplace equality, equal opportunity, abortion, and maternity care. 0:42:23.680 --> 0:42:26.520 So like actual sort of safety and well being and 0:42:26.760 --> 0:42:29.960 equality for women, the things that I think of as feminism. 0:42:30.160 --> 0:42:33.560 Yeah, yeah, Like the maternity care was like that sprung 0:42:33.600 --> 0:42:35.279 out to be because like in. 0:42:35.200 --> 0:42:38.120 My feminism, I don't die in childbirth. 0:42:38.120 --> 0:42:38.919 Because it's woke. 0:42:39.200 --> 0:42:42.080 They want to return to tradition and have it's eighty 0:42:42.120 --> 0:42:45.160 percent of job as result in one or other party dying. 0:42:45.520 --> 0:42:49.279 Ah, great stuff, it's beautiful. Yeah. 0:42:49.840 --> 0:42:52.120 I guess if you were trying to invent feminism, but 0:42:52.160 --> 0:42:55.000 the only text you had is the fourteen words, this 0:42:55.080 --> 0:42:55.759 is what you would get. 0:42:57.200 --> 0:42:59.319 You had a dictionary with the word feminism and the 0:42:59.360 --> 0:43:01.000 fourteen word, it's that's all he had to. 0:43:00.920 --> 0:43:02.840 Go David Lane, famous feminist. 0:43:03.200 --> 0:43:05.880 Yeah, I guarantee you that Alice Cordier has said the 0:43:06.160 --> 0:43:11.960 fourteen words on probably multiple occasions. It's a garbage group 0:43:12.000 --> 0:43:14.400 of people, and I hope they have to hiccups the 0:43:14.400 --> 0:43:15.160 rest of their life. 0:43:15.719 --> 0:43:17.279 Oh that's hurtful. I like that. 0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:19.120 Yeah, it's a pretty good one. 0:43:19.880 --> 0:43:21.879 And with that, that is the end of part one. 0:43:22.000 --> 0:43:24.759 If you'd like to find out more about Quentin and 0:43:25.080 --> 0:43:27.880 various other French fascists, please join us again tomorrow. 0:43:41.920 --> 0:43:44.440 We're picking back up at the rally where Quentin was 0:43:44.480 --> 0:43:47.760 in the capacity of security for Nemesis. At some point 0:43:47.920 --> 0:43:52.240 a confrontation developed between anti fascists and brown shirts. Clearly 0:43:52.280 --> 0:43:55.520 the instigator depends on the political orientation of the media 0:43:55.560 --> 0:43:56.360 that reports on it. 0:43:56.560 --> 0:43:59.120 But we've all seen scuffles like this. It's just they 0:43:59.120 --> 0:44:02.000 don't usually divorce to a point where someone dies, like 0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:05.040 I can I can imagine. I don't know, I can 0:44:05.120 --> 0:44:07.520 imagine the outbreak of this scuffle because we've all seen it. 0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:11.920 Yeah, I'm not going to like litigate on who started 0:44:12.040 --> 0:44:14.719 or who not that I'll never know and it doesn't. 0:44:14.400 --> 0:44:15.439 Matter because it doesn't matter. 0:44:15.960 --> 0:44:19.120 Yeah. But I found an independent while left fleaning a 0:44:19.160 --> 0:44:23.160 medio website, contre Attique. They published several pieces on the 0:44:23.239 --> 0:44:26.080 events with claims that the fascists started to roll. I 0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:29.360 find that one personally also more credible because they have 0:44:29.440 --> 0:44:32.799 multiple videos of photos of the far right being there 0:44:32.840 --> 0:44:37.680 with weapons, including iron bars, crutches, motorcycle helmets, and at 0:44:37.760 --> 0:44:38.839 least one smoker hagge. 0:44:39.200 --> 0:44:41.680 I mean, they showed up to someone else's event to 0:44:41.880 --> 0:44:43.880 disrupt it, to cause a problem. When they got in 0:44:43.920 --> 0:44:46.560 the middle of it, they brought weapons. It's hard to 0:44:46.560 --> 0:44:48.520 say who started the fight, but I can tell who 0:44:48.560 --> 0:44:50.239 wanted to exactly. 0:44:51.040 --> 0:44:54.160 Like. I've seen security at events and protests, but I've 0:44:54.200 --> 0:44:56.960 never okay, unless they were cops, I've never seen them 0:44:56.960 --> 0:44:58.319 carrying weapons. Oh I have. 0:44:58.719 --> 0:45:01.480 Well, that's more common in the idea states it's very 0:45:01.480 --> 0:45:04.320 common here. Oh wow, okay, oh is that a pipe 0:45:04.360 --> 0:45:08.279 in his hands? Yes, it is, so he's wearing a 0:45:08.280 --> 0:45:10.040 balaclava and carrying a pipe. 0:45:10.200 --> 0:45:10.759 Yeah. 0:45:10.920 --> 0:45:13.319 Yeah, it's not a great look, kind of classic. You're 0:45:13.360 --> 0:45:15.719 a nuts, you fit skinny jeans. 0:45:15.400 --> 0:45:18.239 The sneakers always the sneakers. 0:45:18.239 --> 0:45:20.520 Always do one of those little unders. 0:45:20.920 --> 0:45:24.600 Yeah, yeah, of course I got to pick a brand that. Yeah, 0:45:25.440 --> 0:45:27.600 since the beginning. Maybe some pumas in that. 0:45:28.360 --> 0:45:33.120 Of course, this pumas in there. Here's another pictures like 0:45:33.200 --> 0:45:36.440 you can also see the motorcycle helmet in here in 0:45:36.520 --> 0:45:39.400 disguise hands. Oh yeah, okay, yeah, most. 0:45:39.200 --> 0:45:40.960 Like a helmet's great because it's you put it on 0:45:41.000 --> 0:45:42.560 to protect your head, or you can hit somebody with 0:45:42.600 --> 0:45:44.520 it because he's holding it in his hand. 0:45:44.560 --> 0:45:46.400 He is not wearing it. That's a weapon. 0:45:46.800 --> 0:45:50.040 Yeah, but you have the plausible deniability of I rode 0:45:50.080 --> 0:45:52.120 my motorcycle here or this is for defense. 0:45:53.160 --> 0:45:55.440 That's what I also find. They often use like things 0:45:55.440 --> 0:45:58.680 that you could really have with Like they also use 0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:02.120 belts or sticks and stuff that you could carry with 0:46:02.200 --> 0:46:05.520 shack poles, slack poles, like stuff that you could carry 0:46:05.560 --> 0:46:09.440 with you with you without it being as immediately recognized 0:46:09.440 --> 0:46:11.400 as a weapon, Like if you were carrying night. 0:46:11.840 --> 0:46:13.759 After you use it as a weapon, it doesn't look 0:46:13.760 --> 0:46:17.280 like premeditation because I just had this, Yeah, the pipe. 0:46:17.280 --> 0:46:18.920 I don't know why you would just have a whole pipe. 0:46:18.960 --> 0:46:21.760 Now he was honest, way to do some plumbing Mario 0:46:21.800 --> 0:46:22.440 and Luigi. 0:46:22.640 --> 0:46:24.440 Yeah, maybe he found maybe he found it. 0:46:24.719 --> 0:46:28.360 I can imagine myself carrying a sledgehammer, be like, no, officer, 0:46:28.440 --> 0:46:28.920 this is my. 0:46:29.120 --> 0:46:30.799 I was on my way to break big rocks into 0:46:30.800 --> 0:46:31.319 small rocks. 0:46:31.400 --> 0:46:34.040 Yeah, exactly, I'm a fan. I don't think that would fly, 0:46:34.560 --> 0:46:37.840 to be honest, but those I wanted to share as well. 0:46:38.200 --> 0:46:40.120 So he did show up with a pipe. 0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:41.719 That wasn't him. I didn't think he wasn't pipe that. 0:46:41.760 --> 0:46:43.240 Was that was one of his friends. 0:46:43.440 --> 0:46:44.839 That was one of that was one of the far 0:46:44.920 --> 0:46:49.359 right activist that was present there. One media account sat 0:46:49.440 --> 0:46:52.880 he was wearing a blue hoodie Quentin and I haven't 0:46:52.880 --> 0:46:54.680 seen that in the pictures that I could find. 0:46:54.880 --> 0:46:58.120 Well, it looks like the only confirmed photograph of him 0:46:58.160 --> 0:47:00.440 is that one that was provided by his family's lawyer 0:47:00.440 --> 0:47:02.600 to the media, So we don't know if any of 0:47:02.640 --> 0:47:04.919 those other photos even are him right now. 0:47:05.000 --> 0:47:08.359 There's also not that much footage of it, to be honest. 0:47:08.320 --> 0:47:10.279 Right, but I guess there is the footage of him 0:47:10.320 --> 0:47:12.200 like lying on the ground, but I mean like, yeah, 0:47:12.440 --> 0:47:14.680 like the only picture of his face is that one 0:47:14.680 --> 0:47:16.600 that was provided to the media by his family and. 0:47:16.680 --> 0:47:19.239 So far as I found, Yes, Yeah, and then and 0:47:19.480 --> 0:47:21.879 one of the few of the articles, there's like one 0:47:21.880 --> 0:47:24.160 where he's like half ballacloth out up. But then that 0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:28.040 was at some Nazi rally in Lyon, So it still 0:47:28.120 --> 0:47:30.040 wasn't his first Nazi No, it was. It was not 0:47:30.160 --> 0:47:32.759 okay in any case, I think you would have a 0:47:32.760 --> 0:47:35.840 hard time defending that there was purely self defense on 0:47:35.960 --> 0:47:39.160 part of the security of that counter demonstration. 0:47:40.040 --> 0:47:41.719 Again, no one is saying that he deserved to be 0:47:41.719 --> 0:47:43.960 beaten to death. We're just trying to figure out what 0:47:44.000 --> 0:47:44.600 happened here. 0:47:44.520 --> 0:47:48.880 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Concra Attik also published another article on 0:47:48.920 --> 0:47:54.080 February twentieth about acts of violence from fascist militants in 0:47:54.280 --> 0:47:56.480 just Lyon. There had been around one hundred and two 0:47:56.520 --> 0:48:01.640 acts of violence as of twenty ten. Yeah, that's one 0:48:01.680 --> 0:48:05.160 of the spots. From what I understand, there's lots of 0:48:05.160 --> 0:48:09.120 groups that formed in response to like the fascist threats 0:48:09.120 --> 0:48:12.000 that were there, and also a lot of the fascist 0:48:12.120 --> 0:48:16.360 violence is them just harassing brown people or like Muslim people, 0:48:17.040 --> 0:48:19.799 so it's hard to get a proper estimate. But I 0:48:19.840 --> 0:48:23.960 found this one very detailed. They mentioned like from the 0:48:23.960 --> 0:48:27.000 top of their head, like twenty five different instances. The 0:48:27.080 --> 0:48:29.040 article for that will be in the show notes so 0:48:29.120 --> 0:48:33.279 people can read it themselves. Okay, now I'll cite this 0:48:33.360 --> 0:48:38.440 from France info dot fr eye witness accounts from residents 0:48:38.440 --> 0:48:42.200 who saw the flight fighting take place. Christine also witnessed 0:48:42.239 --> 0:48:44.759 the violence. I saw a fight over there with lots 0:48:44.800 --> 0:48:47.439 of young people. They were hitting each other, hitting each other, 0:48:47.560 --> 0:48:50.080 hitting each other, and then I saw a young men fall, 0:48:50.200 --> 0:48:54.320 She recounts. Maxim also saw the attackers flee. They shouted 0:48:54.360 --> 0:48:57.200 disperse when they saw I think that they might have 0:48:57.280 --> 0:48:59.560 hit them hard. They went off into all the streets, 0:49:00.239 --> 0:49:02.960 got out of their cars. Some guys on scooters stopped. 0:49:03.520 --> 0:49:07.240 They put him, I assume Quentin in the recovery position, 0:49:07.480 --> 0:49:11.000 The resident explains. Neighbors then came to aid the injured. 0:49:11.760 --> 0:49:14.960 Another neighbor, Willem, saw him get up after being beaten. 0:49:15.440 --> 0:49:18.040 I went outside. I saw someone with blood on his hands. 0:49:18.200 --> 0:49:20.719 He looked a bit dazed. He was just standing, but 0:49:20.760 --> 0:49:23.480 he refused to go to the hospital, even though they 0:49:23.520 --> 0:49:26.600 offered to. I just saw the people talking to him 0:49:26.600 --> 0:49:29.680 who told him to go to the hospital in any case, 0:49:29.800 --> 0:49:31.400 but the certaines iss that he refused. 0:49:32.080 --> 0:49:34.279 So this was a much large It wasn't like ten 0:49:34.360 --> 0:49:36.719 on one. It was like a group versus a group. 0:49:36.840 --> 0:49:38.200 It was a group versus a group. 0:49:38.480 --> 0:49:39.760 Year it was a melee. 0:49:39.960 --> 0:49:44.440 Yeah, Okay, I'm not sure which article exactly was, but 0:49:44.520 --> 0:49:47.080 said that the fighting went on for like five minutes. 0:49:47.080 --> 0:49:48.800 Which is a long. It doesn't sound like along, but 0:49:48.880 --> 0:49:50.400 for a fight, that's like a long. It's a lot 0:49:50.440 --> 0:49:51.480 of minutes to be fighting. 0:49:51.760 --> 0:49:57.359 Yeah, fighting is normally brief fast, especially fighting of this 0:49:57.480 --> 0:49:58.800 level of violence. 0:49:58.560 --> 0:50:00.920 Especially if you're getting hit the head with a pie or. 0:50:00.880 --> 0:50:01.920 A motorcycle helmet. 0:50:02.239 --> 0:50:04.560 Yeah, there's a little video of it, Like I've seen 0:50:04.600 --> 0:50:07.279 a couple of very small videos of the actual confrontation. 0:50:07.440 --> 0:50:10.400 It's not like it gives the impression like because of 0:50:10.480 --> 0:50:14.040 the big repercussions. This was like a huge set piece, 0:50:14.160 --> 0:50:18.520 but it's not. It's like what three people maybe at most. 0:50:18.680 --> 0:50:22.239 Yeah, And it was just like in some streets it 0:50:22.520 --> 0:50:25.000 looks like street corner. Yeah, it wasn't a battle of 0:50:25.080 --> 0:50:30.040 thermopili or something. Yeah, I'm sponsored by not being able 0:50:30.080 --> 0:50:33.200 to pronounce foreign words outside of English. 0:50:33.239 --> 0:50:34.879 Well, you could just tell us that that's how it's 0:50:34.880 --> 0:50:37.160 said in Dutch and we would all have to believe you, 0:50:37.400 --> 0:50:38.680 because we're not going to find out. 0:50:39.239 --> 0:50:41.360 I'm conf use that as a caveat the next time. 0:50:41.800 --> 0:50:45.600 That's how we say it in the Netherlands, stupid Americans. 0:50:45.920 --> 0:50:49.760 Yes, I'll be saved by the fact that like Denmark 0:50:49.800 --> 0:50:52.480 and the Netherlands, nobody speaks to Dutch, or that they 0:50:52.520 --> 0:50:56.200 confused Danish with Dutch, which is also very funny. 0:50:56.239 --> 0:50:58.240 But also, yeah, I did see some kind of funny 0:50:58.360 --> 0:50:59.920 posts regarding Greenland with. 0:51:01.080 --> 0:51:05.279 Ah, okay, then we're at and entering a whole other discussion. Yeah. 0:51:05.320 --> 0:51:09.080 But anyway, after the fighting, about half an hour and 0:51:09.120 --> 0:51:12.000 a half later, in the full Chiron district on the 0:51:12.080 --> 0:51:15.440 banks of the San Quentin was evacuated in serious condition 0:51:15.520 --> 0:51:18.680 by firefighters. To get there, he had to walk more 0:51:18.719 --> 0:51:21.600 than a kilometer and a half, cross two bridges, and 0:51:21.680 --> 0:51:25.160 traverse the Lyon Peninsula. His route between the attack and 0:51:25.160 --> 0:51:26.880 his arrival at the hospital is unknown. 0:51:27.400 --> 0:51:30.400 Sound so sounds like he's just sort of staggered off disoriented? 0:51:30.760 --> 0:51:33.000 Is something like that because he was probably bleeding in 0:51:33.040 --> 0:51:33.480 his brain. 0:51:34.239 --> 0:51:37.360 Yeah, he like he has a TVI, right, I would imagine. 0:51:37.400 --> 0:51:41.200 So I just find it incredibly sad. To be honest, it. 0:51:41.200 --> 0:51:44.319 Is sad, but also the like so like these bystanders 0:51:44.360 --> 0:51:46.120 are saying, hey, man, like, let's get you an ambulance 0:51:46.120 --> 0:51:49.440 to get to the hospital. Where were his friends that 0:51:49.520 --> 0:51:50.960 he walked off alone? 0:51:51.520 --> 0:51:51.880 Yeah? 0:51:51.920 --> 0:51:53.640 Where were the guys he came with? Were the guys 0:51:53.640 --> 0:51:55.960 that were fighting on his side? How did he manage 0:51:56.000 --> 0:51:58.279 to walk off alone? So these people want to make 0:51:58.320 --> 0:52:00.399 him a martyr, but like they're the ones, Yeah, let 0:52:00.440 --> 0:52:01.239 him die. 0:52:02.200 --> 0:52:03.719 This is also why I'm like, I'm not going to 0:52:03.719 --> 0:52:07.680 say he was it's Lee Beatson, because like, who knows. 0:52:07.960 --> 0:52:10.239 It sounds like a lot of people have some responsibility here. 0:52:10.880 --> 0:52:12.960 If you die, if you die after being hit in 0:52:13.000 --> 0:52:14.080 the head, the person who hit you in the head 0:52:14.160 --> 0:52:16.680 killed you, that's it works. But like, why did his 0:52:16.719 --> 0:52:18.320 friends let him walk away alone? 0:52:18.640 --> 0:52:20.400 Yeah, knowing he was injured. 0:52:20.480 --> 0:52:23.239 Right, No, even if you weren't injured, you never walk 0:52:23.239 --> 0:52:25.680 away from something like this alone because someone could follow 0:52:25.680 --> 0:52:26.520 you and keep beating you. 0:52:26.920 --> 0:52:29.040 Yeah, if there are people who are trying to hurt you. 0:52:29.640 --> 0:52:30.880 The best time for them to do it is when 0:52:30.920 --> 0:52:31.760 you're on your own. 0:52:31.800 --> 0:52:34.000 Like you never leave an action alone. 0:52:34.320 --> 0:52:35.279 Yeah, the whole thing. 0:52:35.400 --> 0:52:38.160 Like I guess I should just say, like, I don't know, 0:52:39.040 --> 0:52:41.600 when you fucking hit people in the head, this is 0:52:41.640 --> 0:52:44.400 one of the consequences that is on the list of 0:52:44.400 --> 0:52:47.480 possible consequences. Like, I fucking hate people who can hit 0:52:47.520 --> 0:52:50.920 people in the head come from a place in the 0:52:50.960 --> 0:52:53.040 world where like that kind of violence is more common 0:52:53.080 --> 0:52:56.080 because guns are less accessible to people, and like, yeah, 0:52:56.080 --> 0:52:58.160 people are going to fucking die sometimes when you do that, 0:52:58.200 --> 0:52:58.920 Like it's serious. 0:52:59.120 --> 0:53:01.239 You don't have to inten to have killed them, Like 0:53:01.320 --> 0:53:04.000 you one get punch to the head in an otherwise 0:53:04.120 --> 0:53:06.359 very fair, normal fight, Yeah, someone could die. 0:53:06.480 --> 0:53:08.440 Yeah, people have died from a single punch to the 0:53:08.480 --> 0:53:10.520 head that started to fight and ended their life at 0:53:10.520 --> 0:53:13.200 the same time. I think people sometimes, you know, you 0:53:13.239 --> 0:53:16.520 watch boxing or wrestling or whatever. Then you see people 0:53:16.560 --> 0:53:20.040 fighting very hard and not dying. But like you find 0:53:20.120 --> 0:53:21.920 someone with your bare knuckles to their bare head, and 0:53:21.960 --> 0:53:23.759 they could die, even if it's only once, if he 0:53:23.800 --> 0:53:24.520 didn't mean to you. 0:53:24.640 --> 0:53:28.359 Yeah, it's just one one small vein in one vein 0:53:28.400 --> 0:53:30.759 that gets nicked that can cause off a whole lot 0:53:30.800 --> 0:53:33.359 of trouble in the head. Yeah, and even if it's 0:53:33.360 --> 0:53:34.719 not death, then there's still. 0:53:34.520 --> 0:53:36.880 Like life altering consequences. 0:53:37.239 --> 0:53:39.440 Be careful with your brain, kids. 0:53:39.360 --> 0:53:42.200 Yeah, which is why you need to wear a helmet's 0:53:42.200 --> 0:53:43.600 on your head instead of in a hand. 0:53:43.640 --> 0:53:45.000 It's just using it as a bludgeon. 0:53:45.160 --> 0:53:48.279 Yeah, yeah, and only come back to light. I find 0:53:48.280 --> 0:53:50.719 it sad because it's a death that may may have 0:53:50.800 --> 0:53:55.600 been preventable with like proper medical intervention, also with like 0:53:55.800 --> 0:53:58.239 friends that should have backed him. 0:53:58.400 --> 0:54:00.319 Yeah, it's pretty sad that this guy felt like he 0:54:00.400 --> 0:54:02.319 was part of something and those guys left him to 0:54:02.320 --> 0:54:03.759 die alone on the street like. 0:54:03.800 --> 0:54:05.920 It's another Now they're trying to take his death and 0:54:06.360 --> 0:54:07.480 profit from it politically. 0:54:07.680 --> 0:54:09.960 And then yeah, he's only useful to him when he's 0:54:09.960 --> 0:54:10.520 fucking dead. 0:54:10.560 --> 0:54:13.200 I mean, you know, he's he's a little horse vessel. 0:54:13.280 --> 0:54:14.719 Yeah, that's a nature of fascism. 0:54:14.800 --> 0:54:18.880 But yeah, it's almost exactly like Charlie Kirk, where he 0:54:19.000 --> 0:54:21.600 was more useful as a martyr than when he was 0:54:21.719 --> 0:54:23.480 just a propagandist. 0:54:23.719 --> 0:54:25.239 But then he turned out not to even be good 0:54:25.280 --> 0:54:25.560 at that. 0:54:26.920 --> 0:54:28.720 I don't think we can fault him for being about 0:54:28.800 --> 0:54:32.120 martyr for all the things. Of all the things we 0:54:32.160 --> 0:54:35.120 can criticize Charlie Kirk for, that is not one of them. 0:54:35.200 --> 0:54:36.400 Yeah, it's not on him. 0:54:36.440 --> 0:54:39.359 Right, But I think in order to have a successful 0:54:39.440 --> 0:54:42.279 martyrdom you have to have someone to blame, and there 0:54:42.360 --> 0:54:44.680 was just not enough publicity around the guy who actually 0:54:44.960 --> 0:54:47.520 killed Charlie Kirk, you know what I mean, Like, you know, 0:54:47.640 --> 0:54:51.480 horse Vessel was killed by communists, so we're mad at communists, 0:54:51.520 --> 0:54:51.799 but like. 0:54:51.760 --> 0:54:55.520 There was an attempt to pin that on the trans community, right, 0:54:55.640 --> 0:54:58.160 like it didn't see the landing and it didn't work. 0:54:58.200 --> 0:55:00.759 Should say that guy is accused of in Karli Church 0:55:00.840 --> 0:55:01.160 as well? 0:55:02.320 --> 0:55:05.160 Exactly I don't know, but that the right is constantly 0:55:05.200 --> 0:55:07.319 trying to create a horse Vessel and it just kind 0:55:07.360 --> 0:55:08.120 of never works. 0:55:08.280 --> 0:55:08.480 Yeah. 0:55:08.560 --> 0:55:10.920 Well, I mean that's how the Spanish Civil War started 0:55:10.960 --> 0:55:13.880 as well, right, like they it was probably easier in 0:55:13.920 --> 0:55:17.080 an age with less information and like party propaganda. 0:55:17.280 --> 0:55:18.880 I mean, these days, these days, we would all be 0:55:18.920 --> 0:55:21.200 talking about like was horse vessel opinion? 0:55:21.400 --> 0:55:22.520 It kind of seems like maybe he. 0:55:23.080 --> 0:55:24.880 Would have had a Twitter account and we would. 0:55:24.640 --> 0:55:27.560 Have and we would have said, what was he doing? 0:55:27.600 --> 0:55:30.200 With all those girls, or we would have found his 0:55:30.320 --> 0:55:33.400 racist tweets. Oh well, that would have. 0:55:34.920 --> 0:55:37.280 It seems like a local the head of his local 0:55:37.280 --> 0:55:39.360 strum up ti Long. Of course he had racist tweets, 0:55:39.719 --> 0:55:43.600 but being a pimp is not conducive to traditional Aryan values. 0:55:44.360 --> 0:56:00.839 Please, okay, okay, okay, there goes my career change. I'm 0:56:00.840 --> 0:56:03.000 now going into the last section, which is about what 0:56:03.040 --> 0:56:05.960 happened here in your trekt. They attempted to martyr him 0:56:06.239 --> 0:56:08.360 and the fed Netherlands. It said, we're coming to the 0:56:08.440 --> 0:56:14.160 AKU to hold the vigil for him. The Netherlands is 0:56:14.800 --> 0:56:18.040 an umbrella terms not the perfect word. There's lots of 0:56:18.120 --> 0:56:22.440 local defense chapters, but they have like more where they organized. 0:56:23.200 --> 0:56:26.319 But they also have like a main telegram group. So 0:56:27.000 --> 0:56:29.960 these are people who explicitly came to U treckt to 0:56:30.000 --> 0:56:33.560 hold this visual. The reason why, I think is because 0:56:33.600 --> 0:56:38.080 they think aku ACU stands for Antifa Center you trecked. 0:56:38.360 --> 0:56:41.120 Oh wow, yes, it used to be. It used to 0:56:41.120 --> 0:56:44.640 be a former auto garage back in the eighties. I think, 0:56:45.120 --> 0:56:47.160 so it says for auto center. You tracked. 0:56:47.480 --> 0:56:49.400 Oh my god, yes. 0:56:50.280 --> 0:56:52.319 I'm at the auto shop. I'm at the Anti PA center. 0:56:52.480 --> 0:56:54.680 In a combination auto show at Center. 0:56:54.840 --> 0:56:57.800 I'm at the Four Seasons total landscape, that's. 0:56:57.600 --> 0:57:03.160 What it is. Yeah. Ah, but it was a pretty 0:57:03.160 --> 0:57:07.920 big deal because for reasons that I still can't understand, 0:57:08.000 --> 0:57:12.200 Like the mayor didn't like instantly ban this very obvious 0:57:12.280 --> 0:57:16.320 intimidation at ten ten threats hold official in your backyard 0:57:16.400 --> 0:57:19.400 or something. It's like, there's absolutely no reason to travel 0:57:19.720 --> 0:57:22.360 to U Trek to hold that visual other than the 0:57:22.400 --> 0:57:23.880 being threatening and intimidating. 0:57:24.080 --> 0:57:25.720 But I think that's part of why they love trying 0:57:25.760 --> 0:57:27.280 to make these martyrs is because. 0:57:27.080 --> 0:57:30.200 It again, it's this like being the victim, like they 0:57:30.320 --> 0:57:32.520 killed one of us. How can this isn't a politicism 0:57:32.560 --> 0:57:35.280 political you can't ban our event, right, this isn't a 0:57:35.360 --> 0:57:39.240 Nazi rally, it's a vigil. Yeah, it's this victimhood thing 0:57:39.240 --> 0:57:42.120 and it does make you harder to suppress. 0:57:42.880 --> 0:57:47.120 Yeah, I still find it unbelievable as the local authorities 0:57:47.200 --> 0:57:49.000 didn't do it. 0:57:48.600 --> 0:57:49.560 It's tacky. 0:57:50.080 --> 0:57:53.920 I was also there that evening because when I do 0:57:53.960 --> 0:57:56.720 activist stuff, I mostly do like if like first eight 0:57:56.840 --> 0:57:59.160 at events or protests. 0:57:58.760 --> 0:58:00.720 Very noble, nobody's got to do it. 0:58:00.800 --> 0:58:03.920 I'm not a confrontational person, so yeah, I'll give you 0:58:03.960 --> 0:58:07.280 a band aid later. That's that's that's where where I'm good. 0:58:07.640 --> 0:58:11.200 You're a non combatant exactly. And I actually came from 0:58:11.240 --> 0:58:14.800 the office that day, so I was also looking very inconspicuous, 0:58:15.360 --> 0:58:18.160 which was good because I ended up standing between my 0:58:18.280 --> 0:58:21.040 left all all the anti fascists that are my right, 0:58:21.080 --> 0:58:24.080 all the black lift fascists, and I was like and 0:58:24.200 --> 0:58:25.520 then two lines of. 0:58:25.560 --> 0:58:27.000 Like riot, I'm just a band aid. 0:58:27.080 --> 0:58:27.200 GI. 0:58:27.800 --> 0:58:31.000 Yeah, so like get in a narrow alley. So I left, 0:58:31.040 --> 0:58:34.080 I'm enclosed. On my right, I'm enclosed. And then this 0:58:34.280 --> 0:58:37.040 girl boss cop comes up to me like, do you 0:58:37.040 --> 0:58:39.479 want to get out of here? I was like, yes, 0:58:39.840 --> 0:58:42.160 it seems like it could go wrong, and then she 0:58:42.280 --> 0:58:44.360 guided me through the fucking fascists. 0:58:45.800 --> 0:58:47.280 Yeah, I like to I like to be a lot 0:58:47.320 --> 0:58:49.800 closer to an exit than nassively good are you? 0:58:50.120 --> 0:58:52.840 So it's it's even worse because I was I was 0:58:52.880 --> 0:58:55.800 with someone who was also doing first aids, and we 0:58:55.840 --> 0:58:58.840 tried to get back to the location and we accidentally 0:58:59.120 --> 0:59:02.000 went into an lead it at a dead end, and 0:59:02.040 --> 0:59:05.880 when we turned around not ceased walking there. I was like, 0:59:06.280 --> 0:59:10.400 oh fuck, no, yeah, but I think they just thought 0:59:10.400 --> 0:59:12.760 that it was a way around and had just followed 0:59:12.760 --> 0:59:14.720 also because they thought it was a way through. They 0:59:14.720 --> 0:59:17.320 didn't actually like control us or anything. 0:59:17.800 --> 0:59:19.800 That makes my tummy hurt maic. I don't like that. 0:59:20.640 --> 0:59:23.200 It was one of the most scary moments. I'm going 0:59:23.200 --> 0:59:26.840 to admit that. Anyway. The fan Netherlands mostly carried the 0:59:26.880 --> 0:59:30.680 picture I sent you with, like the bad AI sketch 0:59:30.760 --> 0:59:32.320 of a photo of Quincon. 0:59:33.160 --> 0:59:35.080 Okay, I'm sorry. If I ever get. 0:59:35.000 --> 0:59:37.720 Murdered and you're holding a rally for my memory, use 0:59:37.760 --> 0:59:39.080 a real fucking picture. 0:59:38.840 --> 0:59:42.640 Of Yeah, this is really okay they're. 0:59:42.160 --> 0:59:46.080 Using they're using a fake picture of a more handsome guy. 0:59:46.880 --> 0:59:48.280 Yeah, the other didn't flact that. 0:59:48.320 --> 0:59:51.160 You said yes, Like I'm saying, like, use a good 0:59:51.200 --> 0:59:53.400 picture of me, you know, like a cute picture, but 0:59:53.480 --> 0:59:55.120 like they're using a fake. 0:59:54.960 --> 0:59:57.160 Picture of a more handsome guy because this guy was 0:59:57.240 --> 0:59:57.840 weird looking. 0:59:57.920 --> 1:00:00.480 Yeah, the person who is on the flag and the 1:00:00.480 --> 1:00:03.200 BBC I had to go, that's just straight up not him. 1:00:03.240 --> 1:00:04.840 It's not a it's not a guy who looks like him. 1:00:04.840 --> 1:00:05.400 It's not a. 1:00:05.280 --> 1:00:07.040 Rendering of him by AI. 1:00:08.200 --> 1:00:13.200 That is like old school German propaganda of like an Aryan. Yeah, 1:00:13.720 --> 1:00:15.800 they're like an Aryan specimen, where like this was like 1:00:15.840 --> 1:00:17.600 a skinny little guy who's half. 1:00:17.480 --> 1:00:20.040 A Hispanic Latino Latino. 1:00:20.160 --> 1:00:25.320 Yeah, Like it's just disrespectful to his memory to whitewash 1:00:25.400 --> 1:00:26.680 him and make him more handsome. 1:00:27.200 --> 1:00:28.440 You're not a good enough martyr. 1:00:28.640 --> 1:00:30.760 We had to find a better looking guy to pretend 1:00:30.920 --> 1:00:33.400 was you so we can profit politically from your murder. 1:00:33.640 --> 1:00:35.600 What pictures of you do we need to do you 1:00:35.880 --> 1:00:37.280 molly in the events? 1:00:37.440 --> 1:00:39.720 Oh yeah, I should, I should, I should pre yeah. 1:00:39.520 --> 1:00:42.840 Exactly, And then you can also select which which photo 1:00:42.920 --> 1:00:45.000 we're going to use, on which we're going to put 1:00:45.000 --> 1:00:45.600 on the banners. 1:00:45.800 --> 1:00:47.720 But it's like they don't actually care about this man. 1:00:48.200 --> 1:00:50.640 Most people holding those banners don't know that's not him. 1:00:50.720 --> 1:00:54.000 Yeah, it's a very empty performance. 1:00:54.320 --> 1:00:57.000 I'm performing outrage over the like the theoretical death of 1:00:57.040 --> 1:00:59.000 a guy whose politics were similar to mine. 1:00:59.080 --> 1:01:02.360 Yeah. But defense Netherlands, they also carried what we call 1:01:02.440 --> 1:01:04.440 the princess flag in the Netherlands. 1:01:04.560 --> 1:01:07.760 Princess flag, yeah, the flag of the Prince, oh princess. 1:01:07.920 --> 1:01:10.000 Yeah, and it's a it's a variational on the flag 1:01:10.040 --> 1:01:13.440 that we have right now, but it was co opted 1:01:13.560 --> 1:01:17.240 by the Dutch National Socialist Party prior and during World 1:01:17.280 --> 1:01:21.120 War Two, so it's now heavily associated with those groups, 1:01:21.640 --> 1:01:23.560 and that is the flag they choose to carry. 1:01:23.800 --> 1:01:26.320 I'm just skeptical of all flags, Like, unless I'm one 1:01:26.360 --> 1:01:28.800 hundred percent sure what I'm looking at, I'm skeptical of 1:01:28.840 --> 1:01:29.640 a flag. 1:01:29.440 --> 1:01:31.120 Because usually a guy that like, I don't know what 1:01:31.120 --> 1:01:32.200 you're doing? What does that mean? 1:01:32.440 --> 1:01:34.280 It is always telling when people are like, oh, this 1:01:34.440 --> 1:01:36.720 nationalist flag is the flag of our nation. Is not 1:01:36.840 --> 1:01:40.000 nationalist enough? Let me let me find an obscure one 1:01:40.000 --> 1:01:43.280 from the past. It has only been revived by fascist Yeah. 1:01:43.160 --> 1:01:45.600 Like anyone in South Africa carrying something other than the 1:01:45.600 --> 1:01:47.760 current official South African flags. 1:01:48.120 --> 1:01:50.800 Yeah, because there's a lot of variations and they're all about. 1:01:50.520 --> 1:01:53.360 Oh, well, well we're getting to those variations. Baly, because 1:01:53.720 --> 1:01:56.600 like the flag flag was not only used by collaborators, 1:01:57.040 --> 1:02:00.720 but they've also added because just a alluding to like 1:02:00.960 --> 1:02:04.720 the collaborationists, it's not enough. They added a voc logo 1:02:04.840 --> 1:02:07.960 from the Dutch East is in the company onto the. 1:02:11.680 --> 1:02:17.720 What that honestly that came from fucking nowhere? God, just 1:02:17.760 --> 1:02:21.000 like these people fucking hated people who weren't white as well, 1:02:21.240 --> 1:02:22.479 Like just. 1:02:22.960 --> 1:02:29.400 Sorry, that is incredible or evil. Yeah, it's amazing. 1:02:29.800 --> 1:02:31.560 Yeah, I can't believe we've opened that kind of went, 1:02:31.680 --> 1:02:33.640 because there's gonna be that's gonna happen in Britain now. 1:02:33.920 --> 1:02:38.560 Unfortunately I've put it in the chat like something like that. 1:02:38.800 --> 1:02:41.440 I mean it's just like comedically. 1:02:40.960 --> 1:02:47.200 Fuck, it's a ship logo as well. It looks like 1:02:47.240 --> 1:02:49.800 a ranch brand. It looks like somebody didn't want their 1:02:49.800 --> 1:02:51.440 cows to go missing and they did that. 1:02:52.320 --> 1:02:55.360 I would stamp that on a horse for sure. 1:02:55.760 --> 1:02:59.520 It probably was probably also on people. You're going to 1:02:59.560 --> 1:03:00.760 say that unfortunate. 1:03:03.240 --> 1:03:07.240 What the fuck though, Like, I can't believe they did that. 1:03:08.040 --> 1:03:10.480 Is that a thing on the Dutch right, like like 1:03:10.600 --> 1:03:12.720 make dutchy c India company great. 1:03:12.560 --> 1:03:16.880 And nostalgic for the dusty dident. My loyalty lies with 1:03:16.920 --> 1:03:17.400 the Duchies. 1:03:17.960 --> 1:03:19.560 Yeah, it's such a niche. 1:03:19.880 --> 1:03:22.640 This is what you get from the European ultra nationalism 1:03:22.800 --> 1:03:24.720 is these incredibly niche racism. 1:03:24.920 --> 1:03:26.800 I'm a monarchist for spice trading. 1:03:27.200 --> 1:03:30.360 Yeah, yeah, it's this is something they actually do. I've 1:03:30.360 --> 1:03:33.360 seen it a multiple like far eyed rallies where they're 1:03:33.400 --> 1:03:38.200 just waving that shit and like that rocks. Yeah, it's 1:03:38.280 --> 1:03:41.640 like the poorest dog whistle that any normal human being 1:03:41.680 --> 1:03:45.160 can also hear. Like, okay, you you long back to 1:03:45.200 --> 1:03:49.000 the days of like killing hundreds of thousands of people 1:03:49.080 --> 1:03:52.200 for the spices that we don't use in our cuisine. 1:03:53.160 --> 1:03:55.680 Yeah, wow, that is so. 1:03:55.760 --> 1:03:58.560 Niche, it's so good. That's so I hope those guys 1:03:58.600 --> 1:04:00.840 get pressed into servius on a ship. 1:04:01.680 --> 1:04:05.000 Yeah, you know, they might be shipped iran soon. Who knows. 1:04:05.440 --> 1:04:08.760 Like enjoy sailing around the world. You love it so much, going. 1:04:08.600 --> 1:04:10.000 To bangal by sale. 1:04:10.120 --> 1:04:15.520 Yeah, you love fucking racism. Getting scurvy to own the lives. 1:04:16.440 --> 1:04:18.640 You know, they will get scirvy because they won't be 1:04:18.640 --> 1:04:19.240 eating fruit. 1:04:19.880 --> 1:04:23.880 Yeah, because they're exclusively eating uh what what the Americans 1:04:23.880 --> 1:04:27.320 call French fries because of the erasure. 1:04:26.800 --> 1:04:30.840 Of Dutch cultural brilliant. That's true. They are more like 1:04:31.360 --> 1:04:36.720 fermented to meat or something, just exclusively Yeah. Because return 1:04:37.320 --> 1:04:40.280 But yeah, anyway, with the rally, in the end, nothing 1:04:40.320 --> 1:04:43.720 really happens. There were some chances going up, up and down. 1:04:44.040 --> 1:04:47.080 I think there were only two arrests for insulting police officers. 1:04:47.280 --> 1:04:48.560 I think one on either side. 1:04:48.760 --> 1:04:52.480 But that's illegal there, Yes, oh I can never go. 1:04:54.080 --> 1:04:58.600 You can also just avoid police that's that's the thing. Wow, 1:04:58.760 --> 1:05:01.160 they won't they won't immediately ch issue with a gun here. 1:05:01.360 --> 1:05:03.720 But I've never had any experience with American cops, so 1:05:03.760 --> 1:05:08.040 there's no comparison for me. I also hope that never happens, 1:05:08.080 --> 1:05:10.240 because I heard stories of what happens. 1:05:10.320 --> 1:05:11.720 Yeah, American cops. No good. 1:05:11.880 --> 1:05:14.360 Yeah, it's one of one of the founding principles this 1:05:15.000 --> 1:05:16.120 here podcast network. 1:05:16.280 --> 1:05:18.920 Well we have that there is one cop in your 1:05:19.000 --> 1:05:22.760 tractor was allegedly a member of like an openly Dutch 1:05:22.840 --> 1:05:25.400 Nazi group, but I think he's just since left it. 1:05:26.400 --> 1:05:27.439 That happens a lot here. 1:05:27.720 --> 1:05:29.320 Yeah, that's not an uncommon occurrence. 1:05:29.840 --> 1:05:34.200 No, what's a cops and clan go hand and haund. 1:05:34.560 --> 1:05:36.600 Yeah, yeah, we say it for a reason. 1:05:36.800 --> 1:05:39.760 Yeah, well we can ad cops in in company bracket 1:05:39.840 --> 1:05:43.280 Dutch East India that those. 1:05:43.040 --> 1:05:45.760 Were not cops because it was a corporation. James. Yeah, 1:05:45.800 --> 1:05:48.440 that's an enforced urs. 1:05:48.680 --> 1:05:50.560 You can't be a fascist for the Dutch East India 1:05:50.600 --> 1:05:52.520 company because it's something a little bit different. 1:05:52.720 --> 1:05:54.480 That's true. That's true. They were not a state. 1:05:54.640 --> 1:05:58.600 No, it's a non state entity. It's like an autonomous 1:05:58.200 --> 1:06:00.440 it's autonomous fascism of its. 1:06:00.280 --> 1:06:02.960 Own kind of cooked for a fascist to be nostalgic 1:06:03.000 --> 1:06:03.760 for a company. 1:06:04.360 --> 1:06:07.560 Yeah, but as long as it's a nationalist company then 1:06:07.600 --> 1:06:09.000 it's okay. This is great. 1:06:09.000 --> 1:06:12.480 I'm going to revive him like like like eighteenth century 1:06:12.480 --> 1:06:15.440 pirate ship, you know, when like the British were like 1:06:15.720 --> 1:06:18.320 attacking the Dutch East India company ships. I'm going to 1:06:18.360 --> 1:06:21.400 bring that back. Okay now because fuck these people. You 1:06:21.440 --> 1:06:24.680 have my personal permission to attack Dutch sailing ships. 1:06:25.760 --> 1:06:34.080 I have that authority. 1:06:37.720 --> 1:06:39.880 But to get back Quentin. 1:06:40.280 --> 1:06:42.480 Sorry, No, there was one other thing that happened because 1:06:42.560 --> 1:06:45.400 the day after the rally there was an unknown person 1:06:45.440 --> 1:06:48.320 who threw a smoke bomb inside the AKU. Shit. A 1:06:48.360 --> 1:06:51.600 person was never caught. I'm going to make a wild 1:06:51.600 --> 1:06:54.520 guest and say he was probably involved with Defend Netherlands 1:06:54.600 --> 1:06:58.120 or some other similar fascist groups. No one at AKU 1:06:58.280 --> 1:07:02.000 was hurt. It was mostly just an e convenients. And 1:07:02.160 --> 1:07:04.479 that is pretty much the story of how the depth 1:07:04.520 --> 1:07:08.080 of a French Nazi involved threats to a community center 1:07:08.120 --> 1:07:08.880 in the Netherlands. 1:07:09.280 --> 1:07:12.600 Wow, yeah, I think you mentioned Ntem when called him 1:07:12.600 --> 1:07:16.040 Francis Charlie Kirk. Yeah, but it's wild how like this 1:07:16.080 --> 1:07:19.800 one has been so seized upon right by people who, like, 1:07:19.840 --> 1:07:21.560 as we said, they did not give a shit about 1:07:21.560 --> 1:07:25.000 this guy when he was alive. Now, I think our 1:07:25.200 --> 1:07:31.040 national rally would be the English or like National Assembly. 1:07:31.760 --> 1:07:34.040 Yeah, I think national rally is how they do it 1:07:34.040 --> 1:07:34.560 in English. 1:07:34.640 --> 1:07:37.960 Okay, Yeah, those guys held like also like on a 1:07:38.000 --> 1:07:41.240 political level, it was like a national thing that happened 1:07:41.280 --> 1:07:44.520 where they were memorizing it, and they were blaming a 1:07:44.600 --> 1:07:48.800 French unbout for whatever happened. Because one of the people 1:07:48.800 --> 1:07:52.200 who was arrested for the violence was an aide I 1:07:52.200 --> 1:07:54.720 think to someone from French unbouts. 1:07:54.560 --> 1:07:55.240 That's not great. 1:07:55.400 --> 1:07:57.080 Yeah, that's not great. 1:07:57.280 --> 1:07:59.080 I imagine their boss would have preferred that they had 1:07:59.120 --> 1:07:59.800 not done that. 1:08:00.040 --> 1:08:04.640 Probably probably, But it was a huge thing. And I mean, like. 1:08:04.600 --> 1:08:06.360 From my end, Like I mean, obviously I don't read 1:08:06.360 --> 1:08:09.160 a lot of French news, but I subscribe to a 1:08:09.240 --> 1:08:13.200 lot of Nazi telegram channels and I see his name 1:08:14.200 --> 1:08:17.600 a lot, like the Active club sort of networks, Like 1:08:17.920 --> 1:08:20.000 it's not always directly the Active clubs, sort of these 1:08:20.000 --> 1:08:23.040 sort of ancillary telegram groups that spen up around them, 1:08:23.560 --> 1:08:26.120 but in that milieu they're talking about him a lot. 1:08:26.160 --> 1:08:28.400 They're talking about like, you know, training in his honor, 1:08:28.720 --> 1:08:30.800 punching communists in his honor, you know what I mean, 1:08:30.840 --> 1:08:34.559 Like they're trying to make this a rallying point to 1:08:34.720 --> 1:08:36.080 inspire more violence. 1:08:36.479 --> 1:08:38.479 Yeah, I don't know if it will work long term. 1:08:38.479 --> 1:08:41.880 I've seen many such attempts that do not work long term. 1:08:42.240 --> 1:08:44.960 But it's been two months and they are still talking about, 1:08:45.000 --> 1:08:46.720 you know, hurting people in his name. 1:08:47.280 --> 1:08:49.240 Also if my doubts on whether that will. 1:08:49.080 --> 1:08:52.280 Work, because they try a lot, try a lot. 1:08:52.479 --> 1:08:53.400 Yeah. 1:08:53.439 --> 1:08:56.240 I particular a bunch of examples of attempted martyrs that 1:08:56.320 --> 1:08:58.640 led just like nobody remembers. 1:08:59.000 --> 1:09:02.760 I can't think if anyone exactly exactly besides the one 1:09:02.760 --> 1:09:06.360 we already talked about whose wife is now running the foundation. 1:09:07.040 --> 1:09:08.599 And for the most part it's I mean, at least 1:09:08.600 --> 1:09:11.240 in America, most of the right wing martyrs are people 1:09:11.280 --> 1:09:13.240 who died in prison or were killed by the police. 1:09:13.240 --> 1:09:15.439 We don't have a lot of sort of street deaths 1:09:15.520 --> 1:09:15.840 like this. 1:09:16.520 --> 1:09:16.760 Yeah. 1:09:16.880 --> 1:09:20.040 Yeah, although, like I do feel like the right wing 1:09:20.080 --> 1:09:22.280 martin is killed by the police, like if they like 1:09:22.400 --> 1:09:25.160 if the Weaver family were killed by the cops, to 1:09:25.520 --> 1:09:27.680 the members of the Weaver family who were killed by 1:09:27.720 --> 1:09:32.479 the FBI, Vicky Wheel yeah. Like if that happened today, 1:09:33.120 --> 1:09:34.880 I think half of the right would be like hell yeah, 1:09:34.960 --> 1:09:37.799 get them cops, like like the Bootleck attendance. 1:09:37.960 --> 1:09:40.320 See, I mean like they tried to make LaVoi Finicum 1:09:40.360 --> 1:09:42.479 was killed during the Bundy standoff in twenty sixteen. 1:09:42.800 --> 1:09:44.520 Did you remember LaVoi Finicum? 1:09:44.760 --> 1:09:45.960 No? Yeah, no one. 1:09:46.120 --> 1:09:49.360 I mean Ashley Babbitt. Ashley Babbitt should have been their martyr. 1:09:49.760 --> 1:09:50.720 They moved on. 1:09:51.640 --> 1:09:53.760 Yeah, and they've been doing some acshally Babbitt stuff like 1:09:53.800 --> 1:09:56.040 I think they it didn't work. 1:09:56.200 --> 1:09:56.960 Yeah, it still hasn't. 1:09:57.000 --> 1:09:58.439 What they're trying to bury her, I believe, with the 1:09:58.560 --> 1:10:03.400 military honors now and get her Air Force pension or something, 1:10:03.640 --> 1:10:06.880 and then she can sue Capitol Police now that it 1:10:07.200 --> 1:10:09.759 hasn't worked. Like in terms of popular culture, no one cares. 1:10:10.160 --> 1:10:12.040 Yeah, I mean the closest thing we have are when 1:10:12.080 --> 1:10:14.480 white women are killed by black men or immigrants. 1:10:14.960 --> 1:10:18.200 That sometimes will Yeah, that flash in the pan lasts. 1:10:17.920 --> 1:10:21.519 A little longer, but even still, like Kate Steinley, Molly 1:10:21.560 --> 1:10:24.080 Tibbet's like Arena Zarutska, like. 1:10:24.360 --> 1:10:28.040 Well, they stuck the landing with they can Riley. 1:10:28.200 --> 1:10:31.200 They had the Lake and Riley Act right, they managed 1:10:31.240 --> 1:10:35.960 to essentially create a system where immigrants are guilty until 1:10:35.960 --> 1:10:39.439 prement innocent, right now, Yeah, they have not spoken about 1:10:39.439 --> 1:10:42.759 her since, but like the legal version of the legal 1:10:43.160 --> 1:10:48.200 tendency on the right, right, the right Legislative movement kind 1:10:48.200 --> 1:10:48.880 of did with that. 1:10:49.600 --> 1:10:52.479 But they are they're like constantly scrounging around for a 1:10:52.560 --> 1:10:55.040 martyr and trying to make one happen. Like in twenty twenty, 1:10:55.080 --> 1:10:58.240 like right after George Floyd Kenan Hinnant, that five year 1:10:58.240 --> 1:11:00.559 old boy that was killed by his neighbor. Oh yeah, 1:11:00.880 --> 1:11:04.240 like this is our George Floyd. You never heard about 1:11:04.280 --> 1:11:04.719 it again? 1:11:05.080 --> 1:11:07.880 Yeah, they tried and try to try and stay at 1:11:07.920 --> 1:11:08.719 the union, right. 1:11:09.240 --> 1:11:11.040 And then what was it two weeks ago he posted 1:11:11.040 --> 1:11:13.800 that video of a one being beaten to death. Yeah, 1:11:13.920 --> 1:11:17.599 it just it doesn't work, like so that the sauce 1:11:17.680 --> 1:11:20.320 isn't there for them to create martyrs, but they love 1:11:20.360 --> 1:11:20.760 to try. 1:11:21.439 --> 1:11:23.880 Yeah, but in order to have a martyr, that that 1:11:23.920 --> 1:11:27.000 person needs to have had value in their eyes in 1:11:27.040 --> 1:11:29.840 the first place. And I think that's what missing. 1:11:29.920 --> 1:11:31.000 Right, because they don't care. 1:11:31.439 --> 1:11:35.320 Yeah, well they posthumously tried to kind of yeah stack 1:11:35.360 --> 1:11:36.760 it on old Quentin here, but. 1:11:37.000 --> 1:11:39.400 Yeah, but I think that this person needs to have 1:11:39.439 --> 1:11:40.720 a reason. 1:11:40.920 --> 1:11:43.960 They needed to have really died for an actual cause, that. 1:11:44.160 --> 1:11:46.479 For an actual cause, but also someone who was like 1:11:46.760 --> 1:11:48.320 broadly known and looked up to. 1:11:48.880 --> 1:11:50.600 Well, not necessarily, I mean, you don't have to be 1:11:50.720 --> 1:11:54.080 somebody before your death to be an important martyr. I 1:11:54.080 --> 1:11:56.320 mean em at Till was not as civil rights activist, 1:11:56.360 --> 1:11:57.120 he was a little boy. 1:11:58.040 --> 1:11:59.160 Yeah. Fair. 1:11:59.400 --> 1:12:02.960 I think it's worked historically more on the left because 1:12:02.960 --> 1:12:05.040 it is people who are It tends to be people 1:12:05.040 --> 1:12:08.120 who are victimized for just for being themselves bless Yeah, 1:12:08.120 --> 1:12:10.080 people who are just existing in the world. 1:12:10.280 --> 1:12:13.160 Right, It's like if you got into a fight at 1:12:13.200 --> 1:12:15.599 a Nazi rally, Like I'm not going to blame the victim, 1:12:15.680 --> 1:12:18.120 but it's not a it's not a blameless death. 1:12:18.960 --> 1:12:22.960 No, Like more like Renee Goot I think what's her name, 1:12:23.400 --> 1:12:26.200 where she was just yeah, you know, looking out for 1:12:26.240 --> 1:12:29.799 her or for her neighbors, but then it was murdered. 1:12:30.040 --> 1:12:31.840 You've been a good person in the first place. 1:12:32.360 --> 1:12:34.519 Yeah, maybe that's where the ride goes wrong. 1:12:35.439 --> 1:12:36.679 That's where it really. 1:12:36.520 --> 1:12:39.040 Goes right, that's the root cause yes, yeah, the. 1:12:39.080 --> 1:12:41.040 Only ones I can think of that really stick are 1:12:41.240 --> 1:12:43.160 older and maybe that is like you're saying James because 1:12:43.160 --> 1:12:46.040 it was like a lower information environment. But like they 1:12:46.080 --> 1:12:49.160 still do Martyr's Day for Robert Matthews and that was 1:12:49.920 --> 1:12:50.840 forty years ago. 1:12:51.360 --> 1:12:56.000 Yeah, like it was easier, right, like for them to 1:12:56.040 --> 1:12:57.040 do it back then. 1:12:57.200 --> 1:13:00.120 And like Matthews got sort of enshrined into this this 1:13:00.240 --> 1:13:01.160 Martyr's pantheon. 1:13:01.560 --> 1:13:04.000 Yeah, at a very important time in the movement. 1:13:04.080 --> 1:13:05.720 I just don't know that his death would be that 1:13:05.760 --> 1:13:06.880 important if it happened today. 1:13:07.520 --> 1:13:07.920 Yeah. 1:13:08.200 --> 1:13:09.920 I think a lot about the Vickiy Weaver thing because 1:13:09.920 --> 1:13:12.160 we had a Bill Gore, who was a sheriff in 1:13:12.200 --> 1:13:14.599 San Diego, had been an FBI agent who was part 1:13:14.680 --> 1:13:17.599 of the operation at Ruby Ridge. It was very interesting 1:13:17.600 --> 1:13:20.880 in San Diego because initially when Gore became sheriff, you 1:13:20.920 --> 1:13:23.400 had all these people on the right Lake, specifically posting 1:13:23.400 --> 1:13:28.320 on the Sheriff's department lost a lawsuit for deleting comments 1:13:28.439 --> 1:13:32.439 on its Facebook page regarding this. They can't delete comments, rightly, 1:13:32.439 --> 1:13:33.360 they're a public agency. 1:13:33.520 --> 1:13:33.680 Right. 1:13:34.320 --> 1:13:39.080 Then twenty twenty happened and that same tendency, those same groups, 1:13:39.360 --> 1:13:42.320 not the individual who bought the suit, but like those 1:13:42.360 --> 1:13:45.800 folks were showing up with their Blue Lives Matter flags. 1:13:45.880 --> 1:13:50.519 But then like also struggling to line that up with like, oh, 1:13:50.560 --> 1:13:53.000 we should bring guns. Oh, but that would be illegal California. Oh, 1:13:53.040 --> 1:13:54.600 but we have a right under the Second Amendment. Well, 1:13:54.600 --> 1:13:57.960 who would be the person who enforced the law that 1:13:58.000 --> 1:14:00.880 you think contravenes the Second Amendment? It's a cops, right, 1:14:00.920 --> 1:14:01.599 and you're also here. 1:14:01.640 --> 1:14:03.360 Just they're so stuck. They're so stuck. 1:14:03.760 --> 1:14:05.960 Yeah, they just kind of backed themselves into a corner 1:14:06.000 --> 1:14:09.480 there where like they're in a way more ideologically consistent 1:14:09.800 --> 1:14:12.400 back in the day at least, like they're like loving 1:14:12.439 --> 1:14:14.519 the cops thing that they made part of their identity 1:14:14.600 --> 1:14:16.759 largely in the George Floyd moment, right, and the yutual 1:14:16.840 --> 1:14:20.200 leut riding has really fucked them when it comes to 1:14:20.240 --> 1:14:21.559 people who get killed by the cops. 1:14:22.640 --> 1:14:25.640 So hopefully this one fades away like all their other martyrs. 1:14:25.920 --> 1:14:28.479 Yeah yeah, I mean I don't like know where his 1:14:28.600 --> 1:14:31.720 family are at either, Like if family may not have 1:14:31.800 --> 1:14:33.439 been bigots. 1:14:33.320 --> 1:14:35.440 Right, Like have they come out and tried to capitalize 1:14:35.439 --> 1:14:37.120 on this, Like does he have a crying mother on 1:14:37.160 --> 1:14:39.120 the news talking about evil Antifa? 1:14:39.240 --> 1:14:41.000 They don't have a crying mother on the news, So 1:14:41.000 --> 1:14:42.840 I do know they have a lawyer, and I think 1:14:42.880 --> 1:14:45.679 there is some form of legal action being taken. 1:14:46.160 --> 1:14:48.200 And that makes sense because like there were people arrested 1:14:48.200 --> 1:14:49.320 who were responsible for the. 1:14:49.360 --> 1:14:52.000 Death, like somebody hit him in that be a legal. 1:14:51.760 --> 1:14:53.160 Process to move forward. 1:14:53.439 --> 1:14:55.720 But I mean, like, they's not like a member of 1:14:55.760 --> 1:15:00.160 his family out there doing propaganda against like anti fascists. 1:15:00.360 --> 1:15:03.000 Not that I'm aware of, but they were very quiet 1:15:03.040 --> 1:15:06.160 and so far as I've could see, Yeah, like I've 1:15:06.200 --> 1:15:09.280 written this over the space of like two months, so 1:15:09.760 --> 1:15:13.120 may have missed something somewhere, sure, but they were pretty 1:15:13.200 --> 1:15:17.000 quiet on his activist activities. So I'm not sure how. 1:15:18.479 --> 1:15:20.439 I'm not sure if it's something they didn't know, or 1:15:20.479 --> 1:15:21.679 if it was something that. 1:15:22.120 --> 1:15:24.360 Maybe they didn't know how bad it was, how. 1:15:24.240 --> 1:15:26.920 Bad it could also have been kept quiet in order 1:15:27.000 --> 1:15:28.679 to like they're doing a lawsuit. 1:15:28.760 --> 1:15:31.839 Yeah, right, they should say less if they're pursuiting litigation. 1:15:31.920 --> 1:15:32.639 That makes perfect sense. 1:15:32.640 --> 1:15:34.519 So it seems like most of the propaganda around his 1:15:34.560 --> 1:15:36.920 death is being produced by the groups he was in. 1:15:37.040 --> 1:15:38.639 Right, you said he was in an active club. 1:15:38.640 --> 1:15:41.240 I'm mostly seeing this from active clubs, so it makes 1:15:41.240 --> 1:15:42.400 sense that they would be doing that. 1:15:43.120 --> 1:15:46.479 Yeah, it's just if they're not, like if it happens that, 1:15:46.560 --> 1:15:48.519 like at least someone in his family is, you said, 1:15:48.560 --> 1:15:51.960 like a migrant to France themselves. Like it would really 1:15:52.000 --> 1:15:54.160 fucking suck to know, first of all, to find out 1:15:54.200 --> 1:15:56.719 that this kid in your family had these reprehensible views, 1:15:56.760 --> 1:15:59.680 and then to see their face everywhere. 1:15:59.800 --> 1:16:01.120 Well, luckily it's not his face. 1:16:01.360 --> 1:16:02.599 Yeah, that's true. That's true. 1:16:02.760 --> 1:16:04.479 You see someone else's face in his name. 1:16:04.720 --> 1:16:09.960 It's just vague resemblance. Yeah. So yeah, before we close 1:16:10.000 --> 1:16:13.240 it out, though, I do want to plug something because 1:16:13.320 --> 1:16:16.439 I do know when the ACU they shut down, they 1:16:16.439 --> 1:16:19.320 had concerts and the entire venue was closed the day 1:16:19.360 --> 1:16:22.559 of the vigil, so they did miss a lot of income. 1:16:22.640 --> 1:16:25.919 And I also personally know a few people who spend 1:16:26.080 --> 1:16:30.000 quite some money on just barricading that or getting iron 1:16:30.080 --> 1:16:32.360 grades for the windows, or steal grades. 1:16:32.600 --> 1:16:33.120 That's dark. 1:16:33.600 --> 1:16:37.040 Yes, yeah, so there is a donate link for the 1:16:37.080 --> 1:16:40.320 ACU because it's also entirely volunteer run, like there's no 1:16:40.400 --> 1:16:43.719 paid employees there. Everyone's just doing that in their spare time. 1:16:44.400 --> 1:16:46.880 So if there are people who have some money to 1:16:46.920 --> 1:16:50.479 spare anything that's a worthy calls, then in the show 1:16:50.520 --> 1:16:53.280 notes you can find the donate link to support the 1:16:53.320 --> 1:16:54.400 local community center. 1:16:54.640 --> 1:16:56.479 Yeah, it'd be nice if people did that. 1:16:56.479 --> 1:16:57.120 That's beautiful. 1:16:58.000 --> 1:17:00.800 Yeah, it was very hard wark to see. I think 1:17:01.400 --> 1:17:03.679 at the demonstration it self, I think that the Nazis 1:17:03.680 --> 1:17:07.240 were outnumbered like three to one, maybe more usually are 1:17:07.840 --> 1:17:10.639 usually are, but it's still very heartwarming to see such 1:17:10.680 --> 1:17:14.040 a a quick and rapid response with people just being like, hey, 1:17:14.160 --> 1:17:16.960 we don't want them here, go back to your backyard. 1:17:17.000 --> 1:17:20.560 All the vigil there and it was a thing that happens. 1:17:21.000 --> 1:17:25.200 But after we've spoken so much about weird Nazis, Molly, 1:17:25.560 --> 1:17:29.519 I've been told you do also something with weird little Nazis. 1:17:30.000 --> 1:17:32.160 Oh, I love a weird little guy. I'm going to 1:17:32.200 --> 1:17:34.519 talk about them every week on my show We're Little Guys. 1:17:34.960 --> 1:17:37.759 You can find it anywhere you get your podcasts. Great, 1:17:38.640 --> 1:17:40.960 And now I'm I'm actually so curious about these weird 1:17:41.000 --> 1:17:42.679 little girls. I might have to check this out. 1:17:43.560 --> 1:17:45.719 Okay, it's new fascination unlogged. 1:17:46.800 --> 1:17:50.400 I'll share some of the links with you than you 1:17:50.400 --> 1:17:52.840 can have a starting point, although I think you're a 1:17:52.920 --> 1:17:54.639 much better researcher this than I am. 1:17:55.080 --> 1:17:57.519 So unfortunately it's all going to be in French. That's 1:17:57.520 --> 1:17:58.000 what I'm married. 1:17:59.120 --> 1:18:02.280 Just auto translate. That's true because I also don't speak 1:18:02.320 --> 1:18:06.439 French and also translate. Safety made a powerful enemy. Okay, 1:18:06.720 --> 1:18:08.880 the Francophone world. 1:18:09.240 --> 1:18:12.280 They're so uptight about their silly little language. 1:18:13.360 --> 1:18:17.879 I love to speak French. French speaking people, please don't as. 1:18:18.200 --> 1:18:20.479 Next time I read French articles, James will send the 1:18:20.520 --> 1:18:23.080 link to you and ask you to translate them for me. 1:18:23.240 --> 1:18:23.439 Yeah. 1:18:23.520 --> 1:18:25.919 I'm really worried that I'm going to have to translate 1:18:25.960 --> 1:18:26.760 some heenous ship. 1:18:29.240 --> 1:18:31.519 Here's like the French version of my comp Could you 1:18:31.560 --> 1:18:32.760 please translate it for me. 1:18:33.240 --> 1:18:35.080 I do have some holocaust and dial texts. 1:18:35.400 --> 1:18:36.839 Translation perfect. 1:18:36.960 --> 1:18:39.640 Yeah, just make sure I'm not in France when I 1:18:39.680 --> 1:18:42.760 receive them. NBA crime, you. 1:18:42.800 --> 1:18:44.360 Might have visa problems as well. 1:18:44.880 --> 1:18:48.360 Yeah, I'm not going okay. 1:18:48.280 --> 1:18:51.920 I'm no longer a EU citizen, so I now have 1:18:51.960 --> 1:18:54.360 to get visas for places too. 1:18:54.160 --> 1:18:57.040 Bad and you have to be not to be declared 1:18:57.080 --> 1:19:02.240 for no grata. Yeah okay, then, yeah, I think we 1:19:02.240 --> 1:19:04.280 can wrap this up. Thank you guys for being here 1:19:04.400 --> 1:19:07.640 and making is a lovely time talking about Nazis. 1:19:08.240 --> 1:19:11.640 Yes, thank you for introducing me to some terrible new concepts. 1:19:11.800 --> 1:19:12.719 I'm very excited. 1:19:13.120 --> 1:19:13.719 You're welcome. 1:19:27.760 --> 1:19:29.760 Hello everyone, and this is it could happen here. My 1:19:29.880 --> 1:19:30.840 name is Daniel Kurd. 1:19:31.000 --> 1:19:34.040 I'm a researcher and analyst of Arab and Palestinian politics. 1:19:34.560 --> 1:19:35.599 Today I'm joined by. 1:19:35.560 --> 1:19:38.120 Justin Salhani, who is a non resident fellow at the 1:19:38.120 --> 1:19:40.479 Titate Institute for Middle East Policy and a writer and 1:19:40.560 --> 1:19:43.920 journalist based in Beirut. He has worked with Al Jazira 1:19:44.000 --> 1:19:47.439 Digital and has contributed to a number of different outlets 1:19:47.439 --> 1:19:49.679 in the past, and has been reporting on the region 1:19:49.760 --> 1:19:52.679 since twenty eleven. Justin, thank you so much for coming 1:19:52.720 --> 1:19:56.360 on the show. Thanks for having me so since you are, 1:19:56.800 --> 1:19:59.840 you know, based invite with them, so intimately knowledgeable of 1:20:00.120 --> 1:20:02.519 what's been going on, I thought we could start by 1:20:03.000 --> 1:20:05.640 just kind of laying out what conditions are like in 1:20:05.680 --> 1:20:06.559 Lebanon right now. 1:20:06.760 --> 1:20:09.240 So right now, as we speak, we're in the midst 1:20:09.320 --> 1:20:14.040 of kind of a tenuous, fragile incomplete we can call 1:20:14.080 --> 1:20:18.840 it ceasefire in beitoot proper. There still is occasionally, you know, 1:20:18.920 --> 1:20:22.839 a drone overhead, this kind of infamous drone that buzzes 1:20:22.840 --> 1:20:27.280 incessantly and keeps everyone constantly on their toes. But there's 1:20:27.360 --> 1:20:30.439 been almost two weeks or a little maybe a little 1:20:30.439 --> 1:20:33.240 bit more now without an attack on Beaitoo. Basically, we 1:20:33.320 --> 1:20:36.280 had that day April eighth, which is being called locally 1:20:36.320 --> 1:20:40.240 Black Wednesday, where around the country I think the numbers 1:20:40.240 --> 1:20:43.000 are now over three hundred and fifty people were killed, 1:20:43.360 --> 1:20:45.800 and many of those were in bed roots in areas 1:20:45.920 --> 1:20:49.000 that came without warning. You know, there is this kind 1:20:49.000 --> 1:20:51.920 of dynamic now where the Israeli military will at times 1:20:51.960 --> 1:20:55.639 announce warnings for certain areas, though many attacks come with 1:20:55.840 --> 1:20:58.880 no warning, and they brought down buildings without warning in 1:20:58.920 --> 1:21:02.360 some cases as well in central Bayoot. So the conditions 1:21:02.400 --> 1:21:06.200 right now are you know, relatively, I guess we can 1:21:06.240 --> 1:21:08.760 call it quiet here. Of course, that's vastly different in 1:21:08.800 --> 1:21:12.679 the south, where there was an intensification, particularly yesterday, there 1:21:12.760 --> 1:21:16.599 wasn't really any cessation of hostilities. We can talk about 1:21:16.640 --> 1:21:20.760 how the minutes leading up to April sixteen, when the 1:21:20.760 --> 1:21:24.879 ceasefire went into effect, you know, throughout the country in Lebanon, 1:21:25.120 --> 1:21:28.320 the Israelis were attacking around the country, not Bayedoot, but 1:21:28.360 --> 1:21:29.960 in other parts of the country, particularly in the south 1:21:30.000 --> 1:21:32.080 and in the city of Sworde bombs. You know, I 1:21:32.479 --> 1:21:34.679 was down there the other day and people were talking 1:21:34.720 --> 1:21:37.840 about what time the Israelis dropped their last bomb, whether 1:21:37.880 --> 1:21:40.639 it was twelve on the dot or eleven fifty nine 1:21:40.680 --> 1:21:44.040 pm or eleven fifty seven pm. And so these are 1:21:44.040 --> 1:21:49.799 the conditions that essentially journalists media workers are forced to 1:21:49.840 --> 1:21:51.520 live with on a daily basis. 1:21:52.120 --> 1:21:56.040 I mean, it's wild how conscientious they are. 1:21:56.120 --> 1:22:00.040 You know, they have to take every single minute to 1:22:00.280 --> 1:22:04.080 bomb their neighbors. So yeah, maybe tell us what the 1:22:04.120 --> 1:22:08.759 situation has been like for journalists in particular. I imagine different 1:22:08.800 --> 1:22:12.479 parts of the country are struggling with maybe different challenges. 1:22:13.160 --> 1:22:16.200 Yeah, this exists on a sliding scale, obviously since twenty 1:22:16.240 --> 1:22:20.080 twenty three, the first week post October seven, there was 1:22:20.360 --> 1:22:23.599 a Lebanese journalist by the name of Isam Abdala who 1:22:23.640 --> 1:22:26.120 was killed. He was a Reuters photographer, and that was 1:22:26.160 --> 1:22:29.759 a strike that wounded other journalists, including journalists from AFP 1:22:30.120 --> 1:22:33.200 and Al Jazeera. So, I mean it's been over two 1:22:33.240 --> 1:22:34.840 and a half years now that there has been a 1:22:34.920 --> 1:22:39.000 danger and that first strike that killed Isam changed the 1:22:39.000 --> 1:22:43.000 way that media assesses risk in this country. Since then 1:22:43.080 --> 1:22:46.400 a number of other journalists have also been killed. So 1:22:46.800 --> 1:22:49.240 in that sense, there still is a fear that targeting, 1:22:49.720 --> 1:22:52.280 much like in Gaza, is a thing that happens. 1:22:52.320 --> 1:22:54.040 Of course, in Gaza was way worse. 1:22:54.120 --> 1:22:56.040 There was a way higher threat level, and I think 1:22:56.080 --> 1:22:58.519 part of that is because there were no foreign journalists 1:22:58.520 --> 1:23:02.479 in Gaza during that period of Palestinians. Until now there 1:23:02.479 --> 1:23:04.960 has been at least a one foreign journalist who was 1:23:05.000 --> 1:23:08.120 wounded in that initial attack. Since then, most of the 1:23:08.160 --> 1:23:11.639 attacks have targeted Lebanese journalists, and particularly Lebanese journalists working 1:23:11.640 --> 1:23:14.800 with outlets who have some sort of we can call 1:23:14.840 --> 1:23:18.880 it line that supports or is differential to Hezbala. I mean, 1:23:19.040 --> 1:23:21.840 of course, this is not an excuse, right, They're still journalists, 1:23:21.840 --> 1:23:24.400 They're still working in the media, regardless of what their 1:23:24.400 --> 1:23:27.240 political affiliation is. These are people who are there to 1:23:27.600 --> 1:23:32.800 assess information. Recently, in this latest intensification, there have been 1:23:33.120 --> 1:23:36.479 more killings of journalists, of course, and these are typically 1:23:36.560 --> 1:23:39.439 journalists who are working on the front lines and in 1:23:39.479 --> 1:23:41.640 the south. You know, we can't know what's in the 1:23:41.720 --> 1:23:44.760 minds of the Israeli military, but based on my conversations 1:23:44.800 --> 1:23:47.599 with media professionals and media watchdogs in the recent years, 1:23:47.640 --> 1:23:49.840 I wrote a piece for Al Jazeera back in twenty 1:23:49.920 --> 1:23:53.120 twenty four. I believe it was about the killing of 1:23:53.439 --> 1:23:56.680 journalists in Gaza, and you know, people at outlets like 1:23:56.920 --> 1:23:59.479 Reporters Without Borders, we're telling me that at that point 1:23:59.560 --> 1:24:01.599 we're talking, you know, a year and a half ago, 1:24:01.800 --> 1:24:05.599 it was already systematic. There was a systematic means of 1:24:05.640 --> 1:24:08.640 trying to control the narrative through the killing of journalists. 1:24:09.360 --> 1:24:11.680 And this is a big thing for these groups that 1:24:11.720 --> 1:24:15.720 are you know, work really hard to share. 1:24:15.760 --> 1:24:17.479 Only things that they've backed up with data. 1:24:17.720 --> 1:24:21.040 They're not bombastic spokespeople who have some sort of political 1:24:21.120 --> 1:24:23.519 lean you can say, these are people who really have 1:24:23.600 --> 1:24:26.000 to own organizations, that really have to be careful with 1:24:26.040 --> 1:24:28.200 the language that they pick and choose. So I thought 1:24:28.240 --> 1:24:32.200 that was like a really interesting framing. So what they 1:24:32.280 --> 1:24:33.800 had told me at the time, and I think this 1:24:33.840 --> 1:24:37.120 is inevitably still true if you subscribe to this idea, 1:24:37.640 --> 1:24:41.200 is that the goal was to prevent the information from 1:24:41.240 --> 1:24:43.599 getting out from the front lines, to stop people from 1:24:43.640 --> 1:24:48.040 knowing what was happening. And this has been clear as 1:24:48.280 --> 1:24:51.920 lately we've seen journalists targeted. And you know, this isn't 1:24:51.920 --> 1:24:55.839 a case whereby journalists were killed, and I'm speaking specifically 1:24:55.880 --> 1:24:59.719 in Lebanon, this also happened in Gaza, but specifically in Lebanon, 1:24:59.760 --> 1:25:03.120 and the last few weeks we've seen cases where there 1:25:03.120 --> 1:25:06.760 were double tap strikes on journalists that had targeted journalists, 1:25:06.800 --> 1:25:10.040 and then the Israeli military came out, particularly with an 1:25:10.040 --> 1:25:11.720 incident that happened I think just a little over a 1:25:11.720 --> 1:25:15.479 month ago now. They came out and photoshopped journalists from 1:25:15.520 --> 1:25:19.479 the TV station Almonard in Hasbala Fatigues and claimed that 1:25:19.520 --> 1:25:21.599 he was part of this elite fighting force that awed 1:25:21.640 --> 1:25:25.280 one forces. They offered no proof for this, the Israeli 1:25:25.280 --> 1:25:27.800 military as spokesperson. I believe it was later admitted that 1:25:27.840 --> 1:25:31.040 this was a doctored or an AI created photo that 1:25:31.160 --> 1:25:34.320 they that they released. But these are the conditions that 1:25:34.520 --> 1:25:39.519 journalists are working with. Unfortunately, Lebanon is not signatory to 1:25:39.960 --> 1:25:44.080 the ICC or the ICJ, and so these cases though 1:25:44.080 --> 1:25:47.360 there's been pressure by media watchdogs and other bodies to 1:25:47.439 --> 1:25:49.880 get Lebanon to sign up to join the ICC and 1:25:50.080 --> 1:25:53.200 ICJ so that they can put forward cases against Israel 1:25:53.560 --> 1:25:56.200 for specifically the targeting of journalists, as well as many 1:25:56.200 --> 1:25:59.439 other actions the Israelis have taken in Lebanon, particularly South 1:25:59.520 --> 1:26:02.400 Lebanon over the last two and a half years. These 1:26:02.400 --> 1:26:05.200 are essentially the conditions that Lebaniz journalists are working under 1:26:05.560 --> 1:26:07.400 where their lives are at risk. 1:26:07.720 --> 1:26:09.200 I might point out one other. 1:26:09.400 --> 1:26:12.880 Incident where a journalist from RT was reporting on a 1:26:12.920 --> 1:26:14.840 bridge in South Lebanon. It was one of the last 1:26:14.840 --> 1:26:18.719 bridges to not yet have been bombed that would connect 1:26:18.960 --> 1:26:21.160 South Lebanon to the rest of the country. He was 1:26:21.240 --> 1:26:23.599 reporting when it was caught on video that a strike 1:26:23.640 --> 1:26:27.439 had happened. I think there are legitimate criticisms about this 1:26:27.520 --> 1:26:30.240 journalist's conduct in terms of placing himself. 1:26:30.520 --> 1:26:32.880 He wasn't wearing a helmet at the time. 1:26:33.320 --> 1:26:36.479 Those are legitimate criticisms for you know, kind of here's 1:26:36.479 --> 1:26:38.280 how you can do better sort of thing. That still 1:26:38.320 --> 1:26:41.559 does not excuse the fact that the attack happened while 1:26:41.560 --> 1:26:44.640 the journalist was there covering. And again, regardless of the 1:26:45.040 --> 1:26:47.479 outlets lean, regardless of what their agenda is, etc. 1:26:47.640 --> 1:26:47.800 Etc. 1:26:48.000 --> 1:26:50.720 These are still media professionals working. I believe that a 1:26:50.760 --> 1:26:54.360 warning had happened at that time, so again questions over 1:26:54.840 --> 1:26:57.759 maybe decisions that were made. Still that does not excuse 1:26:58.280 --> 1:27:01.479 the Israeli military action. And I've heard people say, you 1:27:01.520 --> 1:27:04.240 know that if you work through this logic, if we 1:27:04.320 --> 1:27:06.439 go back to the logic of what happened in Gaza, 1:27:06.520 --> 1:27:09.800 for example, with the first attack on a hospital, and 1:27:09.840 --> 1:27:11.120 I know, you know, this was in the first few 1:27:11.160 --> 1:27:14.080 weeks after October seven. You may remember at the time 1:27:14.120 --> 1:27:16.960 there was this whole kind of debate between analysts and 1:27:17.000 --> 1:27:20.000 pundits and talking heads and what have you. You know, 1:27:20.080 --> 1:27:22.439 Israel would never do that, they would never attack a hospital. 1:27:22.600 --> 1:27:25.280 And then months later, here we are and every hospital 1:27:25.280 --> 1:27:28.479 in Gaza. You know, at one point multiple hospitals in 1:27:28.520 --> 1:27:31.920 Gaza were completely unoperational. Attacks that happened around hospitals at 1:27:31.960 --> 1:27:35.800 hospitals claiming hospitals were militant centers or centers that were 1:27:35.800 --> 1:27:38.479 hosting militants and all these other sort of things. Forensic 1:27:38.560 --> 1:27:42.719 Architecture has done fantastic work on the Gaza example of 1:27:42.840 --> 1:27:46.559 how the Israelis had structurally gone in and dismantled Gaza 1:27:46.560 --> 1:27:49.760 and healthcare at Palestinian Healthcare in Gaza. And I think 1:27:49.920 --> 1:27:51.719 it might be fair to say that there's a similar 1:27:51.760 --> 1:27:54.280 logic that is working here in Lebanon. Is that, you know, 1:27:54.280 --> 1:27:57.439 because after the murder of Isam Abdallah, essentially there was 1:27:57.479 --> 1:28:00.200 a period where journalists were not killed for at least 1:28:00.560 --> 1:28:02.519 a short period of time. Then two journalists from the 1:28:02.560 --> 1:28:06.240 outlet Al Mayodine were killed, and then since then we've 1:28:06.240 --> 1:28:08.720 had others from Mayodine, from Monar, etc. 1:28:09.240 --> 1:28:11.360 That have been killed by the Israelis. 1:28:11.600 --> 1:28:13.479 So you see kind of a pattern that, Okay, we 1:28:13.600 --> 1:28:17.480 can get away with killing these journalists that are ostensibly 1:28:17.600 --> 1:28:21.120 working with outlets who have some sort of affiliation or 1:28:21.200 --> 1:28:25.080 lean towards the Hesbala narrative. That's also the case for Alahabart, 1:28:25.160 --> 1:28:28.599 with the newspaper that Ama Radil worked with. She was 1:28:28.960 --> 1:28:32.559 killed in a really horrific targeted strike just a few 1:28:32.600 --> 1:28:33.320 days ago. 1:28:33.240 --> 1:28:36.519 Where her and a colleague were in the South. 1:28:36.800 --> 1:28:39.560 An attack happened, they fled into a building, then the 1:28:39.600 --> 1:28:42.880 Israelis attacked that building. She was stuck under the rubble, 1:28:42.920 --> 1:28:47.560 and the Israelis prevented Red Cross medics and first responders 1:28:47.720 --> 1:28:49.640 from getting to her for a series of hours. I 1:28:49.680 --> 1:28:52.479 think it was around seven hours, the official reporting says, 1:28:52.880 --> 1:28:55.360 and she died. There's no way to frame this other 1:28:55.400 --> 1:28:58.000 than that Israel attacked her and then prevented her from 1:28:58.000 --> 1:29:00.479 receiving the treatment that she needed to be able to 1:29:00.920 --> 1:29:03.599 continue to live. And I'm always somebody who I didn't 1:29:03.640 --> 1:29:06.280 know personally, so I can't speak to her character in 1:29:06.320 --> 1:29:09.479 my sense, but from the reports people reported her as 1:29:09.479 --> 1:29:12.040 a person that was incredibly generous with their time, was 1:29:12.040 --> 1:29:15.320 incredibly helpful, was very kind to animals. She was somebody 1:29:15.320 --> 1:29:18.600 who was in the South for years and years, was 1:29:18.640 --> 1:29:20.439 often in the South, was constantly in the South, was 1:29:20.439 --> 1:29:22.320 always on the front lines, felt it was her duty 1:29:22.360 --> 1:29:24.559 to report from the front lines as much as possible. 1:29:24.960 --> 1:29:26.640 You know, these are the people that the Israelis have 1:29:26.680 --> 1:29:31.880 targeted until now. Without maybe going too much into, you know, 1:29:31.920 --> 1:29:35.960 an attempt to draw some sort of pattern, I think 1:29:36.000 --> 1:29:39.400 that what seems clear is that those people are targets. 1:29:39.880 --> 1:29:43.360 But we have to ask are the Israelis maybe trying 1:29:43.439 --> 1:29:45.599 to expand that a bit because this is the first 1:29:45.640 --> 1:29:49.960 journalist they've killed from Allahabad, right, if they've killed Manar before, 1:29:50.000 --> 1:29:52.599 they've gone onto Myodine, or they've killed Myodine, and and 1:29:52.640 --> 1:29:54.800 you know Manard and Myodine in one way gone on 1:29:54.840 --> 1:29:57.880 to about are they widening the scope? Are they challenging 1:29:57.880 --> 1:30:00.439 more people, are more people at risk? So I think 1:30:00.479 --> 1:30:03.400 what this does is inevitably now journalists will think twice 1:30:03.600 --> 1:30:06.519 about going south, They'll think twice about going to the 1:30:06.520 --> 1:30:12.799 front lines. Security advisors will put more caution into allowing 1:30:12.800 --> 1:30:14.040 their journalists to go south. 1:30:14.080 --> 1:30:15.479 People will take less risks. 1:30:15.680 --> 1:30:18.160 Obviously, people who will see themselves who work as targets, 1:30:18.200 --> 1:30:22.880 maybe with outlets that the Israelis are openly in opposition to, 1:30:23.320 --> 1:30:25.920 might take different decisions, you know. So I think this 1:30:25.960 --> 1:30:28.679 is where we end up at basically after such killings 1:30:28.680 --> 1:30:37.920 and such actions. 1:30:40.240 --> 1:30:43.439 Referring back to the killing of the Amatil, we're recording 1:30:43.479 --> 1:30:45.760 this April twenty seventh. As far as I'm aware, no 1:30:45.840 --> 1:30:48.639 other journalist has been killed since she was the last 1:30:48.680 --> 1:30:51.360 person who was killed. But we'll see what happens. But 1:30:51.479 --> 1:30:55.160 Amos was not only double tapped, they had been threatening 1:30:55.439 --> 1:30:57.880 her over text message. 1:30:57.520 --> 1:31:01.200 Right, Yeah, So this is a phenomenon that has happened. 1:31:01.200 --> 1:31:03.840 Obviously it's not just journalists, but it's others as well 1:31:03.880 --> 1:31:07.240 that have gotten threatening messages. There have been cases reporting 1:31:07.320 --> 1:31:09.760 cases of people receiving text. 1:31:09.479 --> 1:31:10.960 Saying we're going to attack you. 1:31:11.000 --> 1:31:11.200 Now. 1:31:11.280 --> 1:31:12.760 You can die by yourself or you can die with 1:31:12.800 --> 1:31:13.320 your family. 1:31:13.360 --> 1:31:15.040 And I want to be clearly until now that's not 1:31:15.080 --> 1:31:17.920 a journalist that this has happened to. Ama did receive 1:31:18.000 --> 1:31:22.759 threatening text messages. Other reporters have followed up and messaged 1:31:22.800 --> 1:31:25.639 the number that messaged her. It's really hard to deduct 1:31:25.680 --> 1:31:28.479 if this is an actual campaign, if this is somebody 1:31:28.479 --> 1:31:31.040 within state capacity, or if these are individuals that found 1:31:31.080 --> 1:31:33.200 her phone number and did that. However, there is a 1:31:33.240 --> 1:31:36.160 psychological effect that takes place here right. There has been 1:31:36.200 --> 1:31:40.120 a phenomenon of different municipalities around Lebanon receiving phone calls 1:31:40.760 --> 1:31:45.519 from Israeli officials or Israeli military officials warning them of 1:31:45.600 --> 1:31:48.880 hosting displaced people. You know, this has been reported and outlets, 1:31:48.920 --> 1:31:52.200 including in the New York Times and others. So essentially 1:31:52.240 --> 1:31:54.880 a psychological effect has begun to take hold with that 1:31:55.000 --> 1:31:56.760 as well. There have been a number of calls that 1:31:56.800 --> 1:32:00.479 are essentially fake calls. So you know, for example, weeks ago, 1:32:00.680 --> 1:32:03.720 a neighbor of mine, or a neighboring building just a 1:32:03.720 --> 1:32:07.160 couple streets over, reportedly received a warning, a threatening call, 1:32:07.280 --> 1:32:09.360 threatening them that there might be attack on their building. 1:32:09.439 --> 1:32:12.479 Now that attack never manifested and never developed, at least 1:32:12.520 --> 1:32:14.360 not at that precise building. That there have been other 1:32:14.400 --> 1:32:16.760 attacks within a walking distance of my house in the 1:32:16.840 --> 1:32:19.200 last few weeks. That being said, you know, that has 1:32:19.240 --> 1:32:22.080 a psychological effect because many people will not take the 1:32:22.160 --> 1:32:25.000 risk they'll leave. Other times, you'll find cases where people 1:32:25.040 --> 1:32:26.800 will get some sort of caller, people in the building 1:32:26.840 --> 1:32:28.880 will get some sort of call, they'll write it off 1:32:28.880 --> 1:32:30.800 as fake, and they won't leave their house. And so 1:32:30.840 --> 1:32:33.559 there have been people who have seen warnings coming one 1:32:33.560 --> 1:32:35.240 way or another. You know, I'm not saying it's directly 1:32:35.320 --> 1:32:36.960 through a phone call, but through one way or another, 1:32:37.000 --> 1:32:39.360 and thought, you know, whatever the case, we're not. 1:32:39.280 --> 1:32:40.880 Going to leave our homes. And they end up dying 1:32:41.320 --> 1:32:44.759 in strikes. So there is absolutely a psychological effect. 1:32:44.920 --> 1:32:47.360 And we have no way of knowing if these fake 1:32:47.439 --> 1:32:50.800 calls are coming from the Israeli military or officials or 1:32:50.800 --> 1:32:53.840 individuals or just other people playing pranks. All those things 1:32:53.920 --> 1:32:57.240 can be true to varying levels. A neighbor who lives 1:32:57.280 --> 1:33:00.000 above me got a call from ostensibly a Cuban number 1:33:00.400 --> 1:33:04.120 that was like an automated recording of sorts, and through 1:33:04.160 --> 1:33:05.840 her mind she started thinking, you know, what are the 1:33:05.840 --> 1:33:08.760 different possibilities of these calls? What sort of chances do 1:33:09.160 --> 1:33:11.519 I want to take. Incidentally, a day or two later, 1:33:11.560 --> 1:33:13.320 I got a call from a Cuban number as well, 1:33:13.320 --> 1:33:14.840 and I just chose not to pick it up because 1:33:14.880 --> 1:33:16.960 at that point we had figured out it was very 1:33:17.040 --> 1:33:19.960 likely to be fake. But this has a psychological effect, 1:33:20.000 --> 1:33:22.559 and this is one of the many things that Lebanese 1:33:22.600 --> 1:33:24.960 people are dealing with when we talk about these sort 1:33:24.960 --> 1:33:28.080 of psychological warfare through the things like you know, calls, 1:33:28.320 --> 1:33:31.759 warnings of your neighborhood or of your entire village at times, 1:33:31.880 --> 1:33:36.240 or maybe even of your building, sonic booms, distribution of leaflets, 1:33:36.280 --> 1:33:39.320 all these things are happening simultaneously when we talk about 1:33:39.360 --> 1:33:42.000 the things that I'm unreceived again, this is the targeting 1:33:42.040 --> 1:33:44.960 of media workers and journalists, and you will see kind 1:33:45.000 --> 1:33:48.439 of this international indifference. Luckily, now there's been kind of 1:33:49.000 --> 1:33:51.920 more voices, i think, picking up on the fact that 1:33:52.080 --> 1:33:54.719 journalists are a threat. And it is a case where 1:33:55.160 --> 1:33:58.200 it seems like yesterday it was Palestinians and today it's 1:33:58.280 --> 1:34:01.160 Lebanese and tomorrow who could be next? And maybe this 1:34:01.240 --> 1:34:04.200 is starting to ruminate a bit with journalists and the 1:34:04.200 --> 1:34:07.439 international community. But you know, these are the things that 1:34:07.680 --> 1:34:11.000 you know, we've seen happen with Lebanese journalists, that they 1:34:11.000 --> 1:34:12.519 are directly attacked. 1:34:12.840 --> 1:34:14.160 There's been huge in difference. 1:34:14.200 --> 1:34:17.679 There is always kind of this you might call it 1:34:18.240 --> 1:34:20.559 not an indifference, but maybe kind of a hedging of 1:34:20.560 --> 1:34:23.040 sorts of like, yeah, of course we don't condone the 1:34:23.080 --> 1:34:26.760 attack of media workers, you know, but the affiliation with 1:34:26.800 --> 1:34:29.479 hesbela right because this thing exists on a sliding scale 1:34:29.479 --> 1:34:32.679 of sorts. International humanitarian law is not a super cut 1:34:32.680 --> 1:34:34.439 and dry thing all the time. So our nuances and 1:34:34.479 --> 1:34:37.800 exceptions and whatever have you under international humanitary laws, I 1:34:37.880 --> 1:34:41.200 understand it. I mean, media workers absolutely are off the table. 1:34:41.200 --> 1:34:43.559 They're not somebody you can attack unless they're actually caring 1:34:43.560 --> 1:34:47.080 and taking part in battles. Even combatants who are not 1:34:47.240 --> 1:34:51.160 actively on the field of battle are not legitimate targets. However, 1:34:51.240 --> 1:34:54.160 Israel does not play by those rules. Israel will target 1:34:54.200 --> 1:34:57.120 people who are ostensibly in Hamas or Pezbala or there's 1:34:57.160 --> 1:35:00.400 such groups, even if they're at home with their families. Well, now, 1:35:00.439 --> 1:35:02.960 nobody has held them accountable for this right. This is 1:35:03.000 --> 1:35:05.759 why they've been able to attack betutat will, to attack 1:35:05.800 --> 1:35:07.479 the be suburbs at will. This is why they can 1:35:07.520 --> 1:35:10.120 bring down buildings in the capital or in the south 1:35:10.240 --> 1:35:12.920 and say that you know, there were Hasbala figures in 1:35:12.960 --> 1:35:15.080 the building, even if they were not carrying weapons, even 1:35:15.080 --> 1:35:16.800 if they were not active combatants, and the burden of 1:35:16.840 --> 1:35:19.040 proof has not been on them though it should be. 1:35:19.800 --> 1:35:22.160 So this is a sliding scale. So it starts with 1:35:22.200 --> 1:35:24.120 these kind of militants and they get away with with 1:35:24.720 --> 1:35:27.719 you know, attacking maybe somebody who is a former militant 1:35:27.720 --> 1:35:29.559 who's no longer carrying weapon, or somebody who's not an 1:35:29.560 --> 1:35:31.400 active combatant, and it goes all the way to media 1:35:31.439 --> 1:35:34.040 workers who have the sort of you know what we 1:35:34.120 --> 1:35:37.320 might call kind of this not clear cut affiliation or whatever. 1:35:37.760 --> 1:35:40.439 We should be clear that it doesn't matter what their 1:35:40.439 --> 1:35:43.519 affiliation is as a media worker, as a journalist, they 1:35:43.520 --> 1:35:46.240 should be protected, but because of these affiliations they're not. 1:35:46.800 --> 1:35:47.639 Again and Gaza. 1:35:47.640 --> 1:35:51.080 It started with such media workers, it ended up with 1:35:51.200 --> 1:35:54.599 more recently seeing for example, a Palacitian journalists who worked 1:35:54.600 --> 1:35:57.160 with the Associated Press being killed on a live stream. 1:35:57.520 --> 1:35:59.720 So this is kind of the sliding scale that we're 1:35:59.720 --> 1:36:00.720 seeing happening now. 1:36:01.120 --> 1:36:04.040 Like you said, it's widening. It's a testing of the limits. 1:36:04.280 --> 1:36:08.439 Some outlets will get no outrage, but then they widen 1:36:08.600 --> 1:36:12.240 the scope of it. The entire landscape and dynamic that 1:36:12.280 --> 1:36:15.439 you're describing it can only be described as terrorizing. And 1:36:15.720 --> 1:36:17.960 we've seen this in the past of course, like in Gaza, 1:36:18.200 --> 1:36:21.400 they drop leaflets to terrorize people and they send those 1:36:21.439 --> 1:36:24.519 text messages to Gazan's I mean, I don't encourage anybody 1:36:24.520 --> 1:36:26.519 to look for these, but there have been videos of 1:36:27.280 --> 1:36:31.639 people fleeing their cars because they're about to be droned 1:36:31.720 --> 1:36:33.679 after receiving a threat saying leave. 1:36:33.560 --> 1:36:36.920 Or your family will get droned with you. Like it's unbelievable. 1:36:36.920 --> 1:36:38.880 And of course, as you said, we're talk about journals now, 1:36:38.880 --> 1:36:42.080 but we've seen a targeting of like medical professionals, Like 1:36:42.080 --> 1:36:45.720 we've seen quadruple taps at this point of medical professionals 1:36:45.760 --> 1:36:48.840 to prevent people from helping those under the rubble, to 1:36:48.880 --> 1:36:52.080 prevent helping those who have now then been targeted for 1:36:52.200 --> 1:36:55.280 being in an ambulance. I mean, it's a really outrageous 1:36:55.400 --> 1:37:10.160 state of affairs. Has there been an exodus a foreign journalist? 1:37:10.479 --> 1:37:13.439 What's the situation like for those who are in Lebanon. 1:37:13.680 --> 1:37:15.240 No, there's not been an exodus. 1:37:15.320 --> 1:37:15.519 You know. 1:37:15.560 --> 1:37:20.520 I think that many foreign journalists still feel that they're protected. 1:37:21.680 --> 1:37:24.080 It's an interesting dynamic, you know, because I think, as 1:37:24.120 --> 1:37:28.919 you'll know very well, right like whenever there are active 1:37:29.080 --> 1:37:31.040 hostilities or things like this, we have this flock of 1:37:31.120 --> 1:37:33.040 journalists who come in and then once it kind of 1:37:33.080 --> 1:37:35.360 calms down, they leave. And I always find that bizarre 1:37:35.479 --> 1:37:37.280 because I feel like so much of the work to 1:37:37.280 --> 1:37:39.840 be done happens when ces fires go into effect, because 1:37:40.000 --> 1:37:42.080 that's when you can see the extent of damages. That's 1:37:42.080 --> 1:37:46.120 when you can actually investigate and see, you know, Okay, 1:37:46.200 --> 1:37:48.360 now that the firing has stopped, you have better access 1:37:48.400 --> 1:37:50.240 to places, you can spend more time in places, you 1:37:50.240 --> 1:37:53.000 can get deeper stories. I mean, unfortunately, the way that 1:37:53.200 --> 1:37:56.560 media works today, there's not the luxury of time. Oftentimes, 1:37:56.600 --> 1:38:00.439 you know, media outlets are under staffed and under funded, 1:38:00.880 --> 1:38:04.320 and so it's a difficult prospect. There's still actually quite 1:38:04.320 --> 1:38:06.280 a lot of foreign journalists here. Luckily, some of them 1:38:06.320 --> 1:38:10.240 even covered Amalhai's funeral, they covered her memorial, they covered 1:38:10.280 --> 1:38:13.120 what happened to her because it was such an egregious example. 1:38:13.640 --> 1:38:15.000 And you know, at the same time, I think that 1:38:15.040 --> 1:38:17.200 there is this sort of dynamic the Israelis are aware 1:38:17.200 --> 1:38:19.000 of that if they kill a foreign journalist right like, 1:38:19.040 --> 1:38:22.040 they can kill They have killed a Lebanese journalist who 1:38:22.040 --> 1:38:24.960 worked for a major international outlet, and that led to 1:38:25.080 --> 1:38:28.360 some troubles for them. Because Reuters and others collaborated to 1:38:28.400 --> 1:38:32.559 do an investigation. Human rights organizations are reporting on this killing. 1:38:32.600 --> 1:38:35.760 Other Lebanese journalists that worked for less prominent outlets still 1:38:35.880 --> 1:38:40.120 led to certain condemnations, certain reports were written. But I 1:38:40.160 --> 1:38:42.720 think that, you know, it's kind of this effect. It's 1:38:42.720 --> 1:38:45.600 like an avalanche effect. It's that the more sort of 1:38:45.600 --> 1:38:48.600 attention goes towards these sort of incidents, the more of 1:38:48.600 --> 1:38:52.360 a more problem it becomes for Israel with their international 1:38:52.800 --> 1:38:55.600 partners or or their international relations, right, And so I 1:38:55.600 --> 1:38:58.679 think there's an acute awareness about that from the Israeli side. 1:38:58.760 --> 1:39:00.720 They know kind of how how far they can get 1:39:00.720 --> 1:39:02.640 away with things to a certain extent, you know, I 1:39:02.640 --> 1:39:04.400 think a lot of journalists are aware of that as well, 1:39:04.439 --> 1:39:06.519 and so they feel that for until now, they can 1:39:06.560 --> 1:39:09.360 still go into these places. But like you said, it's 1:39:09.400 --> 1:39:12.040 a widening effect, right, It's trying to see how far 1:39:12.120 --> 1:39:14.680 you can expand and how much you can get away with. Now, 1:39:14.760 --> 1:39:17.080 Let's say that you know, for example, this RT journalist, 1:39:17.080 --> 1:39:20.080 if they had killed him, he's a British citizen, you know, 1:39:20.280 --> 1:39:23.360 does that suddenly change the calculus or the fact that 1:39:23.400 --> 1:39:25.639 he worked for art does that count against him. How 1:39:25.640 --> 1:39:28.400 many politicians, let's say in Europe, will come out and say, 1:39:28.560 --> 1:39:30.000 you know, this is wrong the fact that it was 1:39:30.040 --> 1:39:33.839 an RT journalist. Hopefully they still would, but it creates 1:39:33.880 --> 1:39:36.080 this kind of you know, indecision, if you will. 1:39:36.640 --> 1:39:38.960 It seems to me from your answer that like they 1:39:38.960 --> 1:39:42.639 still expect that the current effect of their foreignness. 1:39:42.840 --> 1:39:46.280 Essentially, yeah, I think so they still carry that, and 1:39:46.280 --> 1:39:48.840 I think they have an awareness of that. 1:39:49.000 --> 1:39:52.439 You know, I wouldn't want to speak on their behalf. 1:39:52.479 --> 1:39:55.040 And there's always layers, right, There's the ones who parachute 1:39:55.040 --> 1:39:57.880 in who may be a good basis in the region. 1:39:57.880 --> 1:39:59.479 There are those who are based here and have been 1:39:59.479 --> 1:40:01.000 here a long time. There are those who speak the 1:40:01.040 --> 1:40:03.960 language and understand the culture. There are those who don't. 1:40:04.080 --> 1:40:06.360 And I mean, like this is not to single out 1:40:06.360 --> 1:40:08.519 foreign journalists. There are local journalists for amazing and their 1:40:08.560 --> 1:40:12.240 local journalists for horrible obviously, right, but I think that 1:40:12.280 --> 1:40:14.960 there is kind of a thought process that, yeah, carrying 1:40:15.000 --> 1:40:17.640 you know, a foreign passport, working for a major organization 1:40:18.200 --> 1:40:20.760 still comes with some sort of protection. So but I mean, 1:40:20.800 --> 1:40:23.840 at the same time, this also means that the israelis 1:40:23.920 --> 1:40:25.920 killing the journalists that they have killed it's it's not 1:40:26.000 --> 1:40:28.680 a mistake, right. I can think off the top of 1:40:28.720 --> 1:40:30.759 my head of at least two journalists who are killed 1:40:31.000 --> 1:40:34.800 in their homes and so you know, again this is 1:40:34.920 --> 1:40:38.439 attacking civilian infrastructure, attacking buildings, and that comes with a 1:40:38.479 --> 1:40:41.120 different sort of criticisms. But if we're talking just about 1:40:41.120 --> 1:40:43.880 the operation of journalists while they're doing their jobs, you know, 1:40:43.920 --> 1:40:47.080 while they're driving in cars, while they're covering sometimes conflicts, 1:40:47.120 --> 1:40:49.439 sometimes you know, maybe just moving from one place to 1:40:49.439 --> 1:40:51.840 the other, it becomes very clear that you know, if 1:40:51.880 --> 1:40:53.360 you feel protected by the fact that you have a 1:40:53.360 --> 1:40:55.559 foreign passport, that also means that the Israelis are aware 1:40:55.880 --> 1:40:56.559 of who they're. 1:40:56.360 --> 1:40:58.000 Attacking and when they're attacking aids. 1:40:58.200 --> 1:41:00.880 You know, we've seen things, for example, like you know, 1:41:00.920 --> 1:41:03.120 compared to the killing of people, this might be a 1:41:03.160 --> 1:41:05.760 minor example, but we saw this thing that got a 1:41:05.760 --> 1:41:08.160 lot of international attention of an Israeli soldier destroying a 1:41:08.200 --> 1:41:10.599 statue of Jesus in a Catholic town in the south 1:41:10.600 --> 1:41:13.679 of Lebanon. And then more recently there was the destruction 1:41:13.800 --> 1:41:16.759 of solar panels in another Christian town in South Lebanon, 1:41:16.960 --> 1:41:19.080 and the Israeli military will come out and say things like, 1:41:19.160 --> 1:41:21.400 you know, this does not represent the values of the 1:41:21.439 --> 1:41:25.080 Israeli military. So okay, then there's the targeting and killing 1:41:25.080 --> 1:41:27.639 of journalists. Does that represent the you know? And then 1:41:27.720 --> 1:41:30.000 and then additionally, I think it's important to say that 1:41:30.439 --> 1:41:32.880 with the level of data, with the level of precision 1:41:32.960 --> 1:41:36.439 that the Israelis have, that they've killed at times. You know, 1:41:36.720 --> 1:41:39.240 I visited a scene in a Christian town just east 1:41:39.240 --> 1:41:41.800 of Bayout, in a place called Aasade, where our you know, 1:41:41.880 --> 1:41:45.719 mutual friend Eli Ayub grew up and we saw the attack, 1:41:45.840 --> 1:41:47.320 the side of the attack, and I went to a 1:41:47.360 --> 1:41:50.559 building behind the building that attack that had, you know, 1:41:50.600 --> 1:41:52.760 we had the view from up top and you could 1:41:52.840 --> 1:41:56.200 see that two holes were in the rooftop of the 1:41:56.200 --> 1:41:58.840 building that was struck. And it's because the shells went 1:41:58.960 --> 1:42:01.400 through or the rockets went through the top of the 1:42:01.439 --> 1:42:04.800 building through the roof, went down a floor below and 1:42:04.880 --> 1:42:06.840 then exploded and killed women. 1:42:06.920 --> 1:42:08.200 Ended up killing a local. 1:42:08.040 --> 1:42:11.240 Christian official, and that was according to Israeli, is not 1:42:11.280 --> 1:42:13.040 the target of who they wanted to kill. But the 1:42:13.040 --> 1:42:15.679 point being is that they have this technology that they 1:42:15.760 --> 1:42:18.720 can attack precisely certain areas they can attack to the 1:42:18.760 --> 1:42:20.799 apartment they can blow out the walls of one apartment 1:42:20.840 --> 1:42:23.160 and leave the one a floor below or two floors 1:42:23.160 --> 1:42:23.880 below intact. 1:42:23.880 --> 1:42:24.400 And they've done this. 1:42:24.439 --> 1:42:26.639 They did this at a hotel just five minutes away. 1:42:27.040 --> 1:42:30.000 Some ostensible Iranian officials were staying in a hotel. 1:42:30.320 --> 1:42:31.559 They destroyed that room. 1:42:31.880 --> 1:42:34.639 It doesn't mean that at times there aren't other people 1:42:34.680 --> 1:42:37.599 nearby that are hurt. But if you're able to attack, 1:42:37.640 --> 1:42:39.880 and you know the figures that you are going after, 1:42:39.960 --> 1:42:42.200 and it is this precise, then what is the need 1:42:42.280 --> 1:42:44.679 to take down entire buildings or what is your excuse 1:42:44.720 --> 1:42:47.640 when you're going after media workers? Now they say it 1:42:47.640 --> 1:42:49.599 in a sense of, you know, like they did with 1:42:49.640 --> 1:42:52.479 this Minar correspondent that he was a member of the 1:42:52.760 --> 1:42:56.200 broad one forces, but again they've provided no information to 1:42:56.280 --> 1:42:58.800 do that. You know, these are people who who have 1:42:59.240 --> 1:43:01.800 very public face social media accounts. These are people who 1:43:01.800 --> 1:43:03.479 are in the public eye, who are on TV, who 1:43:03.479 --> 1:43:05.240 are doing all these sort of things. So you know, 1:43:05.280 --> 1:43:09.160 it really begs to ask many, many questions of the Israelis. 1:43:09.360 --> 1:43:11.160 Yeah, statues are off limits. 1:43:11.640 --> 1:43:14.479 But people are okay, yeah. 1:43:14.840 --> 1:43:18.519 Yeah, a fair game. So there's a cease fire. 1:43:18.560 --> 1:43:22.040 Now, what are people expecting for baut and what does 1:43:22.080 --> 1:43:22.880 that ceasar look like. 1:43:22.920 --> 1:43:24.320 As you said, the attacks are. 1:43:24.200 --> 1:43:26.679 Still going on in the south, but what are people 1:43:26.760 --> 1:43:29.519 expecting for these different parts of Lebanon. 1:43:29.840 --> 1:43:33.640 Yeah, the South is still very active and yesterday was 1:43:33.680 --> 1:43:36.920 a particularly brutal day with attacks across the area. There 1:43:37.000 --> 1:43:40.880 was a forced evacuation orders for areas above the Leetani River, 1:43:40.920 --> 1:43:43.479 which for anyone following, you know, there's been this whole 1:43:43.600 --> 1:43:47.439 kind of dynamic about disarming Hazabella below the lee Tani River, 1:43:47.439 --> 1:43:51.960 which runs across South Lebanon. The Israelis have previously issued 1:43:52.120 --> 1:43:54.880 evacuation orders for above the Laitani as well, reaching up 1:43:54.880 --> 1:43:58.720 to another river called the Zaharani. According to Human Rights 1:43:58.720 --> 1:44:02.360 someone at Human Rights Watch choice to these evacuation demands 1:44:02.720 --> 1:44:05.879 to comply with international humanitarian law, they need to be precise, 1:44:06.000 --> 1:44:08.400 they need to be exact, and they need to be temporary. 1:44:08.640 --> 1:44:10.200 You know, you need to leave your home now because 1:44:10.200 --> 1:44:13.080 we're attacking a target. But you know, they can't be 1:44:13.120 --> 1:44:15.599 open ended the way that they've been with the Israelis, 1:44:15.640 --> 1:44:18.000 and they cannot be indiscriminate the way that they've been 1:44:18.040 --> 1:44:20.719 of demanding the entirety of South Lebanon to move north 1:44:20.840 --> 1:44:23.880 or the entirety of the Southern suburbs. So attacks on 1:44:23.920 --> 1:44:26.880 Bedut after Black Wednesday have come to a halt. And 1:44:26.920 --> 1:44:29.479 it's also true for the Southern suburbs, which you know, 1:44:29.560 --> 1:44:33.559 have been an area whereby they've suffered many, many attacks, 1:44:34.120 --> 1:44:36.320 and so it's a bit of a stranger despite at 1:44:36.320 --> 1:44:38.400 the same time, I think people have gone home to 1:44:38.439 --> 1:44:40.439 check on their houses. Some people have gone home to 1:44:40.479 --> 1:44:42.599 just stay in their houses for a variety of reasons, 1:44:42.600 --> 1:44:46.160 either because they might feel that it's safe for this moment, 1:44:46.320 --> 1:44:49.040 or you know, they're hedging their beds. But still a 1:44:49.080 --> 1:44:50.519 lot of people have not returned home. 1:44:50.560 --> 1:44:51.400 Many of them cannot. 1:44:51.760 --> 1:44:53.880 These are obviously people at the South, or you cannot 1:44:53.920 --> 1:44:55.680 if you've had your home destroyed in the South or 1:44:55.720 --> 1:44:58.599 in the Southern suburbs or parts of the eastern Bacau Valley. 1:44:59.000 --> 1:45:00.960 You know, I've got a school by my house which 1:45:01.040 --> 1:45:04.720 is hosting displaced people, and it's still filled with the displaced, 1:45:04.760 --> 1:45:07.800 either because they cannot go home or because, as many 1:45:07.880 --> 1:45:11.120 have told me, they don't trust that this ceasefire will hold. Obviously, 1:45:11.120 --> 1:45:12.720 in places like the South it has not held, and 1:45:12.720 --> 1:45:15.679 it's still ongoing with attacks coming from both sides. 1:45:16.040 --> 1:45:16.639 In Bedut. 1:45:16.760 --> 1:45:19.719 You know, it's calm in a sense for this moment. 1:45:20.360 --> 1:45:22.479 Like I mentioned, there's still a drone overhead. At times, 1:45:22.840 --> 1:45:25.400 there have been reports of warplanes flying over different parts 1:45:25.439 --> 1:45:28.479 of the country. So you know, there's still this doubt 1:45:28.680 --> 1:45:32.320 if this ceasefire, this truce will hold. So we're kind 1:45:32.320 --> 1:45:35.640 of expecting or waiting any moment. But I should say 1:45:35.680 --> 1:45:37.280 that this was also true of the twenty twenty four 1:45:37.320 --> 1:45:39.280 Seas fire to an extent. Now, in twenty twenty four, 1:45:39.880 --> 1:45:41.559 immediately the next day, people went home. 1:45:41.600 --> 1:45:44.040 They drove home, they drove south, they went ahead with it. 1:45:44.120 --> 1:45:46.639 Of course, the attacks from the Israelis did not stop 1:45:46.640 --> 1:45:49.840 in the south, in Beirut and the southern suburbs predominantly. 1:45:49.880 --> 1:45:51.519 There were a few attacks in the southern suburbs, but 1:45:51.600 --> 1:45:55.719 not regular attacks. You know, a kind of normalcy returned 1:45:55.760 --> 1:45:58.840 a bit. However, there was still kind of this attitude 1:45:58.840 --> 1:46:01.880 of waiting and seeing what would happen, because very few 1:46:01.880 --> 1:46:04.880 people trust the Israelis to stop the attacks. Very few 1:46:04.880 --> 1:46:07.840 people trust that the Israelis want to stop the war. 1:46:07.920 --> 1:46:10.439 At this point in time, they're stronger, they're the hegemon 1:46:10.439 --> 1:46:13.200 in the region. They control the skies to a large 1:46:13.200 --> 1:46:16.639 extent they control disease, and now in southern Lebanon they also, 1:46:16.840 --> 1:46:18.719 you know, to an extent, control parts of the land. 1:46:19.200 --> 1:46:22.000 And so I think that the attitude here is very 1:46:22.080 --> 1:46:26.360 much one of this truce is tenuous. We're living day 1:46:26.360 --> 1:46:29.080 by day, We're waiting to see if tomorrow, you know, 1:46:29.120 --> 1:46:31.160 we have to return to kind of a pre April 1:46:31.200 --> 1:46:35.439 sixteen reality where we're checking our shoulders, we're deciding in 1:46:35.439 --> 1:46:37.640 which streets to go down. You know, those of us 1:46:37.680 --> 1:46:40.000 who are lucky enough to maybe have relatives or friends 1:46:40.040 --> 1:46:42.080 in other parts of the country that we feel we 1:46:42.160 --> 1:46:46.040 can go to be a bit safer, are. 1:46:46.080 --> 1:46:47.439 You know, waiting to do that again. 1:46:47.720 --> 1:46:50.759 Maybe initially there was something of an exhale kind of okay, 1:46:50.800 --> 1:46:52.640 we know that we're going to be okay for or 1:46:52.680 --> 1:46:54.599 we hope will be okay for at least a few days. 1:46:54.760 --> 1:46:56.559 But as the days go on, and as there's been 1:46:56.600 --> 1:47:00.360 no conclusion to this issue, and of course know that 1:47:00.360 --> 1:47:03.280 these are connected to the Iran US discussions, which are 1:47:03.280 --> 1:47:06.040 in a whole other place themselves, I think everyone's just 1:47:06.120 --> 1:47:09.960 kind of waiting to see what develops, and there is 1:47:10.000 --> 1:47:11.640 the sort of bated breath. 1:47:11.920 --> 1:47:13.800 And of course the reality I mean, even if the 1:47:13.840 --> 1:47:16.240 ceasefire holds for a bit, like, the reality is that 1:47:16.520 --> 1:47:20.320 the situation on the ground has changed. Whether it's how 1:47:20.400 --> 1:47:23.200 much land they've taken there's like a new yellow line 1:47:23.200 --> 1:47:25.920 and Lebanon in the same way that they've constricted Gaza, 1:47:26.080 --> 1:47:29.840 and also the damage that's been left behind, not just 1:47:29.880 --> 1:47:32.760 of the infrastructure, but of the herbicides that they're spraying 1:47:32.840 --> 1:47:36.640 and the environmental destruction. So there's just so much to 1:47:36.720 --> 1:47:40.080 think about. Thank you so much for coming on and 1:47:40.120 --> 1:47:43.160 making time to talk about this, and please stay safe. 1:47:43.400 --> 1:47:44.760 Yeah, my pleasure. Thank you so much. 1:47:44.800 --> 1:47:45.040 Donner. 1:47:58.240 --> 1:48:01.400 Welcome, take it up and here podcast about things falling 1:48:01.439 --> 1:48:05.840 apart and although not today putting them back together again. 1:48:06.960 --> 1:48:10.320 Today we are going to be talking about some of 1:48:10.360 --> 1:48:12.680 the ways in which the world is falling apart and 1:48:12.760 --> 1:48:17.360 the ways that they've been invisibilized. Now there are obviously 1:48:17.640 --> 1:48:21.960 a wide and broad variety of ways in which the 1:48:22.040 --> 1:48:24.760 world is coming to pieces, but one of them is 1:48:24.840 --> 1:48:29.320 the impact of the continued dual blockade now of the 1:48:29.360 --> 1:48:34.120 strait up Wamus. The sense you get reading the papers, 1:48:34.920 --> 1:48:37.559 if you are looking at the economic reality of the 1:48:37.600 --> 1:48:42.320 situation is that everything is broadly fine. The economic impacts 1:48:42.320 --> 1:48:45.719 have been less bad than expected. The economy is proving 1:48:45.760 --> 1:48:49.439 more resilient. Economies, particularly in East Asia, are hanging on 1:48:49.600 --> 1:48:53.719 better than predicted. China has been resilient, America has been resilient. 1:48:54.200 --> 1:48:56.840 Trump will eventually back down, which will head off the 1:48:56.880 --> 1:49:03.280 worst case scenario long range forecasting of materials. Now, the 1:49:03.320 --> 1:49:06.640 rest of you, I'm assuming, if you're listening to this podcast, 1:49:07.120 --> 1:49:11.400 you live in reality and not the distorted mirror world 1:49:12.080 --> 1:49:16.000 of the stock market. Stock market, as I think everyone 1:49:16.040 --> 1:49:19.320 has been able to see by this point, is increasingly unmoored, 1:49:19.600 --> 1:49:23.200 if it ever was moored to begin with, from the 1:49:23.240 --> 1:49:28.600 reality of how the global economy is actually functioning. And 1:49:28.680 --> 1:49:30.840 Trump has been able to play a game by which 1:49:30.880 --> 1:49:35.040 she makes the appearance of backing down in every time 1:49:35.080 --> 1:49:38.880 the stock market seems to be actually tanking, and the 1:49:38.960 --> 1:49:42.599 markets have simply come to believe as an axiom, that 1:49:43.240 --> 1:49:45.840 if they simply bet that Trump will eventually back down, 1:49:45.960 --> 1:49:47.120 it will simply happen. 1:49:47.800 --> 1:49:48.639 Now it hasn't. 1:49:49.000 --> 1:49:52.280 The wars continuing apace, and it seems to have no 1:49:52.439 --> 1:49:56.360 signs of slowing down, but the markets are behaving as 1:49:56.400 --> 1:50:00.360 if they know that it's going to happen, and this 1:50:00.439 --> 1:50:04.599 has created a kind of paradox where on the one 1:50:04.640 --> 1:50:07.840 hand there is us living in this world, and on 1:50:07.880 --> 1:50:09.680 the other hand there are the markets living in a 1:50:09.680 --> 1:50:12.760 world where everything is going to be fine, and in 1:50:12.800 --> 1:50:15.800 the world that we live in, things are not good, 1:50:16.520 --> 1:50:20.320 but they are breaking, I think more slowly than people 1:50:20.840 --> 1:50:24.280 tended to expect. Now. Part of this, and we will 1:50:24.280 --> 1:50:28.400 go over this in this episode, is that the impacts 1:50:28.439 --> 1:50:32.560 of this have been worst felt obviously innro on itself, 1:50:32.720 --> 1:50:36.479 and then across South and East Asia, which are the 1:50:36.920 --> 1:50:40.200 markets that are incredibly in economies that are incredibly reliant 1:50:40.400 --> 1:50:44.360 on not just oil but things like naphtha and also 1:50:44.439 --> 1:50:49.200 fertilizers that pass through the strato fromuz. But if the 1:50:49.240 --> 1:50:52.720 markets are wily e coyote hovering in the air thro 1:50:52.760 --> 1:50:57.040 this year power of not looking down the rest of 1:50:57.080 --> 1:51:00.800 the economy is a kind of slow moving train wreck. 1:51:01.840 --> 1:51:05.840 It isn't collapsing all at once. But the more you 1:51:05.960 --> 1:51:08.599 poke through, and the more you go past the first 1:51:08.640 --> 1:51:11.920 page of the newspaper and start looking at the later ones, 1:51:12.040 --> 1:51:13.800 and the more that you look at the press in 1:51:13.880 --> 1:51:17.799 other countries, the more you begin to realize that things 1:51:18.160 --> 1:51:24.479 are going quite quite badly. Now in the West. The 1:51:24.520 --> 1:51:27.240 sign of this has been five dollars a gallon gasoline 1:51:27.360 --> 1:51:32.360 in vast portions of the United States. We are quite 1:51:32.360 --> 1:51:35.639 frankly seeing the better side of it. There have been 1:51:35.800 --> 1:51:40.799 widespread shutdowns of transportation across South and East Asia. Buses 1:51:40.800 --> 1:51:44.559 simply aren't running, both public and private. There have been 1:51:45.680 --> 1:51:48.599 strikes and protests over high gas prices by people who 1:51:48.640 --> 1:51:49.879 normally drive buses. 1:51:50.680 --> 1:51:52.040 Even in the US, you can. 1:51:51.920 --> 1:51:53.880 Talk to people who try to do Uber deliveries, and 1:51:53.920 --> 1:51:56.719 it's becoming effectively impossible even to do that simply because 1:51:56.760 --> 1:52:00.439 gas prices are so high. But they are simply nowhere 1:52:00.479 --> 1:52:03.880 near as bad here as they are in places like 1:52:03.920 --> 1:52:08.519 the Philippines. Now, the interconnected nature of the global economy 1:52:08.640 --> 1:52:12.800 means that there are things that are being broken right 1:52:12.840 --> 1:52:16.639 now that are going to break more things later down 1:52:16.680 --> 1:52:19.040 the line, and are continuing to break things down and 1:52:19.080 --> 1:52:22.839 across the supply chain, but the ripples are moving slowly. 1:52:23.840 --> 1:52:26.719 Transportation costs are something that we tend to think about 1:52:27.400 --> 1:52:30.160 in terms of moving people around, right We try to 1:52:30.160 --> 1:52:34.000 think about it in terms of buses, in terms of cars. However, 1:52:35.320 --> 1:52:38.599 one of the very significant issues that we are running 1:52:38.680 --> 1:52:44.719 into across particularly Southeast Asian also Southeast Asia to I'm 1:52:44.760 --> 1:52:48.200 combining all sorts of don't know three of the regions. 1:52:48.360 --> 1:52:50.320 A bunch of the island nations in the Pacific are 1:52:50.320 --> 1:52:52.760 dealing with this two to various extent. Sri Lanka has 1:52:52.800 --> 1:52:55.400 been one of the worst hits to the extent that 1:52:55.479 --> 1:52:57.960 we're seeing a bunch of these countries are doing kind 1:52:57.960 --> 1:53:02.280 of like miniature government shutdowns. And obviously there's a bunch 1:53:02.320 --> 1:53:05.639 of different versions of this. Pakistan, for example, is going 1:53:05.640 --> 1:53:08.200 into more debt in an attempt to sort of keep 1:53:08.200 --> 1:53:12.320 the economy running. But returning to transformation costs for a moment, 1:53:13.160 --> 1:53:17.640 it is important that we also understand that goods are transported, 1:53:17.720 --> 1:53:20.400 and increases in the price of gasoline to the point 1:53:20.439 --> 1:53:27.120 where it's simply impossible to afford also affects shipping and 1:53:27.240 --> 1:53:31.040 in particular effects things that are delivered on trucks. I'm 1:53:31.040 --> 1:53:35.360 going to read this quote about Vietnam and rice production 1:53:35.479 --> 1:53:41.480 in Vietnam quote. In today's abnormal times, rice buyers are hesitating. 1:53:42.360 --> 1:53:45.479 Shipping delays of ten to fifteen days have become common 1:53:45.520 --> 1:53:50.080 as carriers slow steam to conserve fuel. Osmadi rice from 1:53:50.080 --> 1:53:52.320 India bound for the Middle East has been unable to 1:53:52.320 --> 1:53:56.040 get through this trade of romuz in the Philippines, wholesalers 1:53:56.080 --> 1:53:58.080 are not sure when there might be enough diesel to 1:53:58.200 --> 1:54:01.639 move imports around the country. That means rice has been 1:54:01.680 --> 1:54:06.400 piling up across Asia, creating a short term paradox. Wholesale 1:54:06.439 --> 1:54:10.639 price is declining as production costs rise after a year 1:54:10.680 --> 1:54:14.519 of healthy harvests. Traders are paying farmers less right now 1:54:15.080 --> 1:54:20.439 to hedge against future risk. So this is a really 1:54:20.560 --> 1:54:22.000 complicated fucking mess. 1:54:22.320 --> 1:54:22.519 Right. 1:54:23.000 --> 1:54:25.679 What the New York Times is saying here is that 1:54:26.479 --> 1:54:30.760 buyers aren't buying the massive amount of rice that has 1:54:30.760 --> 1:54:35.720 already been planted, right. But on the other hand, there's 1:54:35.800 --> 1:54:39.240 also now we're running into fertilizer shortages because of a 1:54:39.240 --> 1:54:42.440 bunch of elements for fertilizers that is used in a lot. 1:54:42.600 --> 1:54:44.880 I mean, this is also affecting the United States too, 1:54:45.560 --> 1:54:48.400 but it's significantly worse in places like the Philippines and 1:54:48.440 --> 1:54:51.320 places like Vietnam. Some of the important elements needed to 1:54:51.360 --> 1:54:54.840 create fertilizer pass these trader farm news they're not getting through. 1:54:55.480 --> 1:54:59.280 And this means that on the one hand, farmers are 1:54:59.320 --> 1:55:03.680 facing enormous rising production prices, but production is a process 1:55:03.680 --> 1:55:06.600 that takes place over and through time, right, And this 1:55:06.680 --> 1:55:09.720 is something that very importantly most economic models are really 1:55:09.760 --> 1:55:13.480 really bad at dealing with. Conventional macroeconomic models assume time 1:55:13.520 --> 1:55:15.880 and space don't exist to a large extent like this 1:55:15.920 --> 1:55:19.640 is like a real issue for a lot of large 1:55:19.640 --> 1:55:22.880 scale economic models. Unfortunately they exist here. And so what 1:55:23.120 --> 1:55:26.560 we're dealing with, right, is that there has been production 1:55:26.600 --> 1:55:30.600 that's already happened because there's already have been harvests. But 1:55:30.760 --> 1:55:34.960 now farmers can't sell the stuff that they've harvested because 1:55:35.320 --> 1:55:37.720 the transportation costs are so high that the buyers don't. 1:55:37.600 --> 1:55:38.240 Want to buy it. 1:55:38.800 --> 1:55:40.800 But that means also on the other hand, food is 1:55:40.880 --> 1:55:44.600 still getting more expensive on your end, because even though 1:55:44.920 --> 1:55:48.160 the people making the food can't get enough money for 1:55:48.200 --> 1:55:50.800 the food they are selling because again the buyers won't 1:55:50.800 --> 1:55:53.760 buy it because it's too expensive, you're now also paying 1:55:53.800 --> 1:55:56.680 like people in the region are now paying increased rice 1:55:56.720 --> 1:55:59.640 prices because they have to pay the shipping cost. So 1:56:00.160 --> 1:56:04.120 even though on the one hand, right the actual price 1:56:04.160 --> 1:56:07.840 that consumers are paying is going up, right, and the 1:56:07.960 --> 1:56:11.840 cost to produce the rice is also going up, the 1:56:11.880 --> 1:56:14.760 actual price at which these people can sell the rice 1:56:15.360 --> 1:56:18.440 is going down. And this is a fucking nightmare, and 1:56:18.480 --> 1:56:20.680 it means that crops aren't getting planted. It means that 1:56:20.720 --> 1:56:24.080 crops are also just rotting in the fields because there's 1:56:24.120 --> 1:56:27.879 no way to sell and move them. This is causing really, 1:56:28.000 --> 1:56:32.240 really significant concerns that we're going to be, you know, 1:56:32.400 --> 1:56:34.440 like we are looking over the coming months at a 1:56:34.520 --> 1:56:38.480 kind of agricultural catastrophe where you're starting to see sort 1:56:38.480 --> 1:56:42.120 of projections of people going, oh God, like, hey, what 1:56:42.240 --> 1:56:48.480 if people simply stop exporting food. There's a great quote 1:56:49.360 --> 1:56:52.280 in this New York Times article from a guy who's 1:56:52.280 --> 1:56:57.600 a senior fellow in food security at Singapore's ISS where 1:56:57.600 --> 1:57:01.120 he says, quote, complex systems have the habit of creating 1:57:01.240 --> 1:57:06.200 wicked problems. The way that like capitalist markets interact with 1:57:06.240 --> 1:57:10.360 food shortages is a complete fucking nightmare. And this is 1:57:10.360 --> 1:57:13.560 something that we have seen that has caused famines all 1:57:13.600 --> 1:57:16.840 over the world. Is that once you get into the 1:57:16.880 --> 1:57:21.520 point where food genuinely becomes scarce, which is not quite 1:57:21.560 --> 1:57:23.560 the point where we're at now, we're in the beginning 1:57:23.640 --> 1:57:26.400 of the process by which this could happen. Right The 1:57:26.400 --> 1:57:29.160 part of the process we're in right now is these 1:57:29.200 --> 1:57:31.200 farmers who also, by the way, and this is also 1:57:31.280 --> 1:57:35.240 very important, these rice farmers are not operating on particularly 1:57:35.320 --> 1:57:40.000 high margins, right. They are not very wealthy when I 1:57:40.000 --> 1:57:43.120 say low margins, right, they are not making all that 1:57:43.200 --> 1:57:46.320 much money. And so you know, being unable to sell 1:57:46.640 --> 1:57:48.400 your rice or being forced to sell it at an 1:57:48.440 --> 1:57:52.440 extremely low price and then having your production cost rise 1:57:52.480 --> 1:57:55.280 because you're cost of fertilizer of skyrocketing, is how these 1:57:55.320 --> 1:57:58.600 things effectively go under. If this stuff continues, This is 1:57:58.640 --> 1:58:00.960 how you get waves of people being forced off their 1:58:01.040 --> 1:58:04.360 land because they simply can't afford to do the farming anymore. 1:58:04.600 --> 1:58:04.840 Right. 1:58:05.160 --> 1:58:07.360 But then you know, you also have sort of in 1:58:07.400 --> 1:58:09.200 some sense, you have the reverse of this in other 1:58:09.240 --> 1:58:11.280 places where if you look at what's happening in India 1:58:11.320 --> 1:58:13.720 we talked about this on an executive disorder a few 1:58:13.720 --> 1:58:16.200 weeks back. You know, like a bunch of the ceramics 1:58:16.200 --> 1:58:18.560 industry it's just like shut down, Like four hundred thousand 1:58:18.640 --> 1:58:20.800 people are out of work from this, and this is 1:58:20.840 --> 1:58:24.440 causing those people to, Okay, like what do you do 1:58:24.520 --> 1:58:27.840 when you can't get work in sort of urban industrial centers. 1:58:27.880 --> 1:58:30.600 As you go back to a lot of the rural places, 1:58:30.600 --> 1:58:34.320 where these people are from. But you know, the thing 1:58:34.360 --> 1:58:37.640 about oil, right, is that oil price increase is something 1:58:37.640 --> 1:58:42.040 that hits people across the board. It hits both rural 1:58:42.040 --> 1:58:45.280 and urban economies because they both are heavily oil dependent. 1:58:45.320 --> 1:58:47.640 This is something that New York Times mentions when you're 1:58:47.640 --> 1:58:49.720 talking about like rice problems in Vietnam. 1:58:49.840 --> 1:58:50.040 Right. 1:58:50.120 --> 1:58:53.680 Part of the other thing that's been making rice like 1:58:54.400 --> 1:58:59.360 harder to farm is that their irrigation system is powered 1:58:59.520 --> 1:59:03.720 by like diesel engines, it's punctures and diesel stuff, and 1:59:03.760 --> 1:59:06.640 so because of that, you know, there's sort of like 1:59:06.680 --> 1:59:09.680 broad scale shortages in Vietnam, and you have to choose 1:59:09.720 --> 1:59:13.320 whether you're you know, using the limited amount of diesel 1:59:13.320 --> 1:59:17.400 that you have in cities or in rural areas. And 1:59:17.480 --> 1:59:22.600 so these things are just kind of rapidly becoming a nightmare. 1:59:23.240 --> 1:59:25.000 Now you know what isn't a nightmare, it's it's the 1:59:25.040 --> 1:59:41.040 products and services that support this podcast. And we are back, 1:59:42.480 --> 1:59:46.280 so I want to talk a bit about why the 1:59:46.320 --> 1:59:49.760 system is structured like this and why you know, on 1:59:49.800 --> 1:59:51.640 the one hand, like we are starting to see things 1:59:51.680 --> 1:59:56.240 that are very incredibly alarming in East and Southeast Asia 1:59:56.280 --> 2:00:00.280 on varying levels that and I guess I because I 2:00:00.280 --> 2:00:04.360 should be really clear about this, right, The actual economics 2:00:04.360 --> 2:00:08.640 impacts of this are really dispersed. It depends a lot 2:00:08.960 --> 2:00:12.080 on how wealthy of a country you are in and 2:00:12.120 --> 2:00:16.680 then also like how reliant on oil your economy is. 2:00:17.320 --> 2:00:20.160 So the Chinese economy, for example, is not been that 2:00:20.280 --> 2:00:24.560 badly affected because they have large oil supplies. The Taiwanese economy, 2:00:25.080 --> 2:00:28.000 you know, like there's kind of plastic bag shortages, and 2:00:28.000 --> 2:00:29.880 that's been another element of all of this is like 2:00:29.920 --> 2:00:32.320 people panicking about are there going to be enough trash 2:00:32.400 --> 2:00:36.160 backs because for reasons that I will get into in 2:00:36.200 --> 2:00:41.480 a seconds, like plastic is made of oil, right, Everything 2:00:41.840 --> 2:00:45.440 around you that is plastic is just oil. And it 2:00:45.440 --> 2:00:47.640 does turn out that you do need crude oil in 2:00:47.720 --> 2:00:50.120 order to produce plastics, and this has been causing lots 2:00:50.120 --> 2:00:53.680 of production issues across like a whole variety of sectors 2:00:53.680 --> 2:00:57.880 that use plastics. Now, the bottom hasn't just completely fallen 2:00:57.920 --> 2:01:00.600 out yet, and it's worth taking a little bit of 2:01:00.600 --> 2:01:05.320 time to examine why. And the reason why it hasn't 2:01:05.360 --> 2:01:10.120 immediately collapsed is actually, strangely the same reason why we're 2:01:10.160 --> 2:01:12.360 in this mess from the first place, which is that 2:01:13.000 --> 2:01:15.920 in a lot of ways. The way that our system 2:01:15.960 --> 2:01:18.640 of production works, the way that we produce things in 2:01:18.680 --> 2:01:21.040 the world, and the way that we move things around 2:01:22.320 --> 2:01:25.400 is made in the image of oil. So what do 2:01:25.520 --> 2:01:27.800 I mean by that? What I mean is that the 2:01:27.840 --> 2:01:31.320 system of production is very nodal right. It operates on 2:01:32.240 --> 2:01:35.360 a whole bunch of these nodes. And you know, you 2:01:35.440 --> 2:01:37.640 have a node where a part of a production is happening, 2:01:38.240 --> 2:01:42.520 and then that node moves an item from one thing 2:01:42.520 --> 2:01:44.879 to another where it goes another stage of production process, 2:01:44.880 --> 2:01:48.760 and inputs and outputs come in in these nodes. And 2:01:49.400 --> 2:01:51.800 the thing about these nodes, right, is that in theory, 2:01:51.920 --> 2:01:54.480 you know, the way the system is supposed to be designed, 2:01:54.920 --> 2:01:56.400 right in the way that it's been sort of they 2:01:56.440 --> 2:02:00.160 call it like flexibilization to some extent, the way this's 2:02:00.160 --> 2:02:01.800 to work is that like okay, So, like if you 2:02:01.840 --> 2:02:04.400 are a company that needs to get like I don't know, 2:02:04.440 --> 2:02:06.840 you're like a Ramen company, to take an example that's 2:02:06.880 --> 2:02:09.680 been in the news at least in these in like 2:02:09.680 --> 2:02:12.160 in East Asia's like there's been disruption to like robin 2:02:12.240 --> 2:02:15.720 making companies, right, and you need plastic, you have like 2:02:15.880 --> 2:02:18.040 one plastic supplier you're normally going to, but there are 2:02:18.040 --> 2:02:20.400 a bunch of other ones, right and so you know, 2:02:20.640 --> 2:02:22.280 or maybe maybe maybe a better way to explain this 2:02:22.320 --> 2:02:25.360 would be using the example of like the way that 2:02:25.440 --> 2:02:27.840 like fast fashion works and the way that like drop 2:02:27.840 --> 2:02:29.880 shipping works right where they're like there are all of 2:02:29.920 --> 2:02:34.240 these different, like small sort of factories around China or 2:02:34.240 --> 2:02:36.920 like these small like sort of garment production places where 2:02:36.960 --> 2:02:39.640 you can like very very quickly crank out the same 2:02:39.840 --> 2:02:43.680 like drass or whatever, and if you're doing the drop shipping, 2:02:43.720 --> 2:02:46.560 you can like source your drop ship stuff from one 2:02:46.560 --> 2:02:50.760 of like a hundred of these places right now. This 2:02:50.800 --> 2:02:52.440 is what I mean when I say that it's noble, 2:02:52.520 --> 2:02:57.760 is that it's designed in such a way that's a 2:02:57.880 --> 2:03:00.560 blockage in one part of the system isn't supposed to 2:03:00.600 --> 2:03:03.680 be that bad, because the system isn't designed in a 2:03:03.720 --> 2:03:06.920 way where you know, there's like one railway from one 2:03:06.920 --> 2:03:09.240 place to another, and you have to move all of 2:03:09.280 --> 2:03:12.560 your goods along this one railway, and you can only 2:03:12.640 --> 2:03:14.720 get it from like one buyer who produces the thing 2:03:14.800 --> 2:03:17.000 to preeces anovery thing prius and everything. You're supposed to 2:03:17.000 --> 2:03:19.480 be able to get it from like a broad distributed 2:03:20.440 --> 2:03:23.680 network of people, and if one node of the network 2:03:23.760 --> 2:03:25.480 goes out, you're supposed to be able to pivot to 2:03:25.520 --> 2:03:30.240 another one. And this is the way that the economics 2:03:30.240 --> 2:03:30.920 of oil works. 2:03:31.000 --> 2:03:31.120 Right. 2:03:31.120 --> 2:03:33.200 There are a shit tot of different oil producers, and 2:03:33.240 --> 2:03:36.800 in theory, you're supposed to be able to pivot around 2:03:36.920 --> 2:03:39.760 between different oil wells in a way that's different from, 2:03:39.760 --> 2:03:41.800 for example, the way that coal worked. 2:03:42.120 --> 2:03:44.240 Right. With coal, and a lot of this. 2:03:44.400 --> 2:03:47.720 I'm sourcing from Timothy Mitchell's book Carbon Democracy, which is 2:03:47.840 --> 2:03:53.040 very very good. You know, with coal, right, you're usually 2:03:53.080 --> 2:03:56.280 not moving it by ship, which is this is like 2:03:56.320 --> 2:03:58.920 another thing that we're going to get to in a second, 2:03:59.360 --> 2:04:03.480 but with it's very easy. The way that coal is 2:04:03.720 --> 2:04:06.200 mined and the way that you have to move it, right, 2:04:06.240 --> 2:04:08.600 It goes from one place to another to another to 2:04:08.640 --> 2:04:11.560 another in a line. And if one part of that 2:04:11.600 --> 2:04:15.160 process shuts down, there isn't like another coal thing you 2:04:15.200 --> 2:04:18.000 can get your coal from, right, You're just fucked Like, 2:04:18.040 --> 2:04:20.880 there's not like another mind that feeds into your factory. 2:04:21.640 --> 2:04:23.240 This is this sort of the way the coal production worked, 2:04:23.240 --> 2:04:25.680 and sort of the eighteen and early nineteen hundreds. Oil 2:04:25.800 --> 2:04:29.440 works in basically the opposite way, right, where there's just 2:04:29.480 --> 2:04:31.920 like a shit ton of things, and because you're mostly 2:04:31.920 --> 2:04:34.320 moving it by water at some except by pipeline, the 2:04:34.720 --> 2:04:38.200 way the production process works and the way that it's 2:04:38.240 --> 2:04:41.320 sort of easier to move and just like the way 2:04:41.320 --> 2:04:44.720 that it flows, means that it's harder to block off 2:04:45.040 --> 2:04:47.400 the entire supply of oil in the same way that 2:04:47.440 --> 2:04:50.480 it was actually kind of easy to just like completely 2:04:50.520 --> 2:04:52.760 stop up huge swas of the economy by just blocking 2:04:52.760 --> 2:04:56.040 off their access to coal and capital has like long 2:04:56.200 --> 2:05:00.440 realized the danger of choke points. This is called four shadowing. 2:05:00.520 --> 2:05:03.480 This is a literary device, et cetera, et cetera. You know, 2:05:03.560 --> 2:05:06.600 the choke point used to be coal mines and the 2:05:06.680 --> 2:05:10.520 railways on which like coal was moved, right. And one 2:05:10.560 --> 2:05:12.760 of the things that Timothy Mitchell argues is that a 2:05:12.800 --> 2:05:15.160 lot of the militancy of the nineteenth and twentieth century 2:05:15.240 --> 2:05:20.760 labor movement is a direct product of the ways in 2:05:20.800 --> 2:05:24.600 which these coal miners were both extremely militant and also 2:05:24.840 --> 2:05:29.000 very very easily able to shut down production in a 2:05:29.120 --> 2:05:34.280 line by mobilizing a force that was greater than their numbers. Right, 2:05:34.400 --> 2:05:38.280 a relatively small portion of of you know, like hyperbiligant 2:05:38.280 --> 2:05:41.760 coal miners can shut down like the rest of the 2:05:41.840 --> 2:05:46.960 economy because everyone else is relying on their being coal. 2:05:47.360 --> 2:05:49.440 But oil has the opposite problem. Well, Like the problem 2:05:49.440 --> 2:05:51.240 with coal is that there's not enough of it, so 2:05:51.280 --> 2:05:53.480 you have to constantly extract it. The problem with oil 2:05:53.520 --> 2:05:56.200 is that there's too much of it. Right. If you 2:05:56.240 --> 2:05:59.280 shut down coal production, it's a nightmare for the companies 2:05:59.320 --> 2:06:03.320 that produce coal because they can't make any money because 2:06:03.320 --> 2:06:05.960 there's like a fixed number of mines and it takes 2:06:06.040 --> 2:06:08.840 like large scale capital investment to like get them out. 2:06:08.880 --> 2:06:11.040 And it's also true that like it's expensive to attract oil. 2:06:11.080 --> 2:06:13.200 But the thing about oil is again like there were 2:06:13.240 --> 2:06:15.520 just there are too many refineries, right, This is sort 2:06:15.560 --> 2:06:18.600 of why OPIC was formed. If you shut down production, 2:06:18.680 --> 2:06:20.320 if you restrict the amount of oil, it comes down 2:06:20.360 --> 2:06:23.680 to the market. That's actually how you make money versus 2:06:23.680 --> 2:06:26.200 if you shut down coal production, suddenly nobody's making any 2:06:26.200 --> 2:06:28.880 money versus oil, where it's like if you shut down 2:06:29.080 --> 2:06:31.960 oil production, usually it just means that like the oil 2:06:32.000 --> 2:06:34.320 companies make more money because the price of oil goes up. 2:06:34.720 --> 2:06:36.800 And the specifics of why this is true, I would 2:06:37.160 --> 2:06:39.480 encourage people to go with your carbon democracy. I could 2:06:39.480 --> 2:06:42.800 spend another like two hours talking about the materiality of 2:06:42.840 --> 2:06:47.520 oil and why it specifically works like this differently. But yeah, 2:06:47.560 --> 2:06:49.640 oil has the other opposite problem of coal, like there's 2:06:49.640 --> 2:06:51.360 too much of it. And so this goes to a 2:06:51.360 --> 2:06:53.680 point where Mitchell talks about how in the early nineteen hundreds, 2:06:53.920 --> 2:06:57.880 companies are deliberately setting off oil stripes right because it'll 2:06:57.960 --> 2:07:02.120 raise their production prices because shutting down their own production 2:07:02.480 --> 2:07:04.560 and having an excuse to shut down their own production, 2:07:04.680 --> 2:07:07.840 like we'll let them just knock off oil refinery so 2:07:07.840 --> 2:07:09.560 they can reduce the amount of oil in the market. 2:07:10.360 --> 2:07:13.600 The system of oil is designed to get around these blockades, right. 2:07:13.600 --> 2:07:15.480 This is a big part of the reason for the 2:07:15.520 --> 2:07:18.760 transition from cold oil was specifically it was it was 2:07:18.800 --> 2:07:20.560 like the US and the Marshall Plan was trying to 2:07:20.600 --> 2:07:23.520 defeat these extremely militants like French unions after World War Two, 2:07:23.760 --> 2:07:25.720 and these unions were largely coal mining based, and they 2:07:25.720 --> 2:07:27.240 were like, oh shit, we can you know, we can 2:07:27.280 --> 2:07:30.240 do like a pivot to Saudi Arabia to move to oil, 2:07:30.280 --> 2:07:31.880 and this can be like this can be our solution 2:07:31.960 --> 2:07:34.880 to like crush these coal mining unions because oil is 2:07:34.920 --> 2:07:38.000 extremely hard to unionize. It has like a highly divided workforce, 2:07:38.920 --> 2:07:40.960 you know, And so they tried to design the system 2:07:41.040 --> 2:07:43.400 that doesn't have choke points. But the problem is there's 2:07:43.560 --> 2:07:47.000 one fucking big one, and that one big one is 2:07:47.040 --> 2:07:50.440 the straight over mouse. And at this point, the sort 2:07:50.440 --> 2:07:54.040 of advantage of the system, right, which is that it's 2:07:54.160 --> 2:07:57.200 all these different nodes that are like bound together in 2:07:57.240 --> 2:08:01.360 this like extremely convoluted weave. The strength of the system 2:08:01.440 --> 2:08:05.440 is also its weakness. It means that we're all getting 2:08:05.600 --> 2:08:09.920 dragged down together with the system when it stopped working 2:08:10.360 --> 2:08:12.800 because we all rely on stuff from all over the world. 2:08:13.160 --> 2:08:15.000 The way that the system has a bout us altogether 2:08:15.080 --> 2:08:17.840 means that we're all reliant on every other part of 2:08:17.880 --> 2:08:21.800 the economy, and we're all reliant on oil. And this 2:08:22.040 --> 2:08:24.840 is sort of the root of the catastrophe and also 2:08:24.920 --> 2:08:27.720 the reason why this crash is operating in slow motion. 2:08:28.280 --> 2:08:31.520 In order to stop the international labor movement, right, this 2:08:31.560 --> 2:08:33.480 system was set up in a specific way where it 2:08:33.480 --> 2:08:35.440 works along nose and it is supposed to be designed 2:08:35.440 --> 2:08:39.600 to deal with a crisis like this, so instead of 2:08:39.600 --> 2:08:44.200 collapsing immediately, it collapses in slow motion. But it is 2:08:44.280 --> 2:08:47.680 still collapsing because capital and I guess like the presidents 2:08:47.720 --> 2:08:51.600 of the United States, has taken the action that the 2:08:51.600 --> 2:08:54.720 system was designed to avoid, which is like, you know, 2:08:54.800 --> 2:08:58.680 like a large scale blockade of production, and the consequences 2:08:58.680 --> 2:09:03.600 of this are both die and expanding as we speak. Yeah, 2:09:03.680 --> 2:09:08.160 this has been It could happen here. Things are only 2:09:08.200 --> 2:09:10.040 going to get worse before they get better. 2:09:24.800 --> 2:09:27.960 I enjoyed the new Devil War's Brata movie. It was 2:09:28.040 --> 2:09:32.520 weirdly relevant. I did not expect Meryl Streep to deliver 2:09:33.160 --> 2:09:38.240 like a monologue about how AI is destroying independent internet 2:09:39.040 --> 2:09:42.720 writers or comedy writers or whatnot, any kind of independent 2:09:42.760 --> 2:09:44.400 internet writer. But I guess that's what we got. 2:09:44.480 --> 2:09:47.680 So that's good and thinly veiled Jeff Bezos villain. 2:09:47.440 --> 2:09:48.960 Then the veiled Jeff Bezos villain. 2:09:49.040 --> 2:09:50.240 Yeah. Yeah. 2:09:50.280 --> 2:09:53.160 Well this isn't our movie review podcast, because we don't 2:09:53.200 --> 2:09:55.320 have one of those, because I would be bad at it. 2:09:55.400 --> 2:09:58.960 This is Electile Disorder. 2:09:58.520 --> 2:10:04.560 Function Executive Disorder, our weekly newscast covering what's happening in 2:10:04.600 --> 2:10:07.360 the White House. Now it's fine, the crumbling world and 2:10:07.400 --> 2:10:10.200 what it means for you. Embarrassed Davis today, joined by 2:10:10.600 --> 2:10:14.160 Robert Evans, James stout me along and maybe Sophie Lichterman. 2:10:14.680 --> 2:10:17.600 This episode, we are covering the week of April thirtieth 2:10:17.640 --> 2:10:20.040 to May sixth. I want to roll things back to 2:10:20.280 --> 2:10:24.400 just before we recorded, because Sophie brought up the California 2:10:24.520 --> 2:10:27.520 gubernatorial debate that happened Tuesday. 2:10:27.200 --> 2:10:30.440 Night, Ubernatorial Garrison, you gotta make it sound so please. 2:10:30.560 --> 2:10:34.040 Which I tried watching as that kind of is my job, 2:10:34.440 --> 2:10:37.360 only to discover it was not streaming anywhere online and 2:10:37.520 --> 2:10:43.200 only available feel the CNN channel on television like you know, 2:10:43.440 --> 2:10:47.120 like actual TV channels, which prompted Sophie to ask the 2:10:47.120 --> 2:10:48.600 good question who is this for? 2:10:48.920 --> 2:10:49.240 Why? 2:10:49.320 --> 2:10:51.680 Why? Why does this even exist? 2:10:51.720 --> 2:10:51.880 Then? 2:10:51.920 --> 2:10:54.600 If only people watching cable can watch it? And then 2:10:54.640 --> 2:10:57.280 I realized the real reason this exists is to generate 2:10:57.840 --> 2:11:00.480 short video clips for social media. And that's I guess 2:11:00.520 --> 2:11:03.040 how most people are actually engaging with this debate in 2:11:03.440 --> 2:11:09.320 contextless fifty second that's generous chunks of time in which 2:11:09.920 --> 2:11:13.720 Stier came off the best, did not come off great, 2:11:14.120 --> 2:11:17.960 but came off okay, Okay, he came off fine. He 2:11:18.040 --> 2:11:20.680 had this weird tick where he would be he would 2:11:20.680 --> 2:11:24.440 ask a question and when he would respond, it would 2:11:24.480 --> 2:11:28.120 sound like he was deflecting the question even when he wasn't. 2:11:28.160 --> 2:11:32.200 But the sort of like defensiveness of his framing sounded 2:11:32.240 --> 2:11:34.480 like he was deflecting a lot of questions that actually 2:11:34.480 --> 2:11:38.120 he was giving kind of good answers to Porter. Was 2:11:39.400 --> 2:11:41.520 I don't know Sophie. Can you speak about Porter? 2:11:41.680 --> 2:11:43.520 I don't Porter, I hardly know her. 2:11:43.720 --> 2:11:45.680 I don't have a mic, so I'll be really quick. 2:11:46.080 --> 2:11:46.800 That was pretty good. 2:11:48.120 --> 2:11:54.400 Porter kind of overcoppensati snarky remarks. But she's only pulling 2:11:54.560 --> 2:11:57.640 like eight or ten percent, where Sultan and Styr are 2:11:57.800 --> 2:12:03.000 both pulling closer to twenty. Also, Steve Hilton ew. 2:12:02.960 --> 2:12:06.120 Yeah, short video content has not been kind to Katie 2:12:06.120 --> 2:12:08.120 Porter in the in the last couple of years. 2:12:08.440 --> 2:12:12.160 It was interesting earlier that morning, Katie Porter released an 2:12:12.200 --> 2:12:15.880 ad that ended with a joke about her abuse of 2:12:15.920 --> 2:12:18.480 her staff. Ended with like a reference to a line 2:12:18.520 --> 2:12:21.440 that she said that was in those articles and like 2:12:21.560 --> 2:12:24.200 she had all these background extras laugh at the joke 2:12:24.640 --> 2:12:29.200 referencing the abuse allegations against her to her staff. Interesting choice, 2:12:29.360 --> 2:12:33.680 crazy move. Who is that for? Who is that for? 2:12:34.840 --> 2:12:37.120 I mean, you know what it is. Actually it's her 2:12:37.800 --> 2:12:41.400 trying to be like Trump, like One of the lessons 2:12:41.400 --> 2:12:43.960 that Trump has taught the political class is that if 2:12:44.080 --> 2:12:46.920 people come at you for like being corrupt or fucked 2:12:47.000 --> 2:12:50.879 up or evil or irresponsible, you just kind of barrel 2:12:51.000 --> 2:12:54.680 right through that. You don't acknowledge it, you don't like 2:12:54.680 --> 2:12:57.160 acknowledging any validity in it, and like you, you kind 2:12:57.200 --> 2:12:58.880 of make fun of it. You try to like make 2:12:58.920 --> 2:13:03.280 it a selling point for yourself. And I'm not saying 2:13:03.280 --> 2:13:04.800 she's doing a good job of it, but I think 2:13:04.800 --> 2:13:06.240 that's what is she's trying to do. 2:13:06.360 --> 2:13:08.960 I think that's she's like tough, no nonsense. 2:13:09.520 --> 2:13:10.680 Yeah, you know. 2:13:11.080 --> 2:13:14.400 Yeah, the amount of money being spent on anti Staya 2:13:14.720 --> 2:13:18.160 attack ads is judging by the amount of them that 2:13:18.280 --> 2:13:20.000 get beamed into my home every night. 2:13:19.880 --> 2:13:21.560 Now, it's pretty significant. 2:13:22.000 --> 2:13:25.480 As the resident Californian, I didn't watch the debate because 2:13:25.880 --> 2:13:29.160 the choices we have make me very angry and upset, 2:13:29.480 --> 2:13:33.000 and I didn't want to think about that. 2:13:33.000 --> 2:13:37.680 That's politics. Yeah, James, do you want to start with 2:13:37.720 --> 2:13:39.920 a few of yours I see are at the top 2:13:40.040 --> 2:13:41.800 of the dock here. 2:13:42.920 --> 2:13:45.400 Yeah, Well, let's begin with the biggest news of the week, 2:13:45.440 --> 2:13:49.000 which is that the White House Twitter account has shared. 2:13:48.720 --> 2:13:50.560 The new crest for nice. 2:13:50.960 --> 2:13:51.680 I gotta see this. 2:13:52.160 --> 2:13:54.440 Oh yeah, click on that. Oh good, thank god she 2:13:54.520 --> 2:13:55.080 had that screen. 2:13:55.080 --> 2:14:01.840 Garrison garaging you can't have a treat and must share 2:14:01.920 --> 2:14:02.560 with everybody. 2:14:02.640 --> 2:14:04.040 I've get I've got it. I'm good, I've got to 2:14:04.080 --> 2:14:04.880 get there. 2:14:04.920 --> 2:14:05.320 We go. 2:14:05.760 --> 2:14:10.440 Okay, So, yeah, that looks like shit. It looks like 2:14:10.560 --> 2:14:12.640 lazily AI generated garbage. 2:14:12.800 --> 2:14:15.080 Yeah, if you asked, AI is generated crest for a 2:14:15.160 --> 2:14:16.560 US law enforcement see. 2:14:16.840 --> 2:14:19.000 The most basic that could possibly be? 2:14:19.440 --> 2:14:22.120 Yeah, yeah, sure, Oh well. 2:14:22.160 --> 2:14:25.000 National Immigration and Customs Enforcement nice. 2:14:25.120 --> 2:14:27.400 Always good. When you throw national in front of any 2:14:27.800 --> 2:14:31.160 any acronym, that's never it's never turned out bad. 2:14:31.760 --> 2:14:35.480 As many people have shared with me, several television shows 2:14:35.520 --> 2:14:38.360 had already come up with the idea for rebranding ICE 2:14:38.400 --> 2:14:40.720 as nice. I don't think this is going to stop 2:14:40.760 --> 2:14:44.400 them moving on. The DOJ said that it is suing 2:14:44.680 --> 2:14:48.240 Denver for infringing the Second Amendment. This potains to their 2:14:48.240 --> 2:14:52.480 assault weapon ban, which bans a lot of semi automatic rifles, 2:14:52.520 --> 2:14:57.520 including A Fifteen's interesting kind of precedent for DOJ behavior 2:14:57.920 --> 2:14:59.880 in that obviously, like lots of states have a so 2:15:00.120 --> 2:15:04.760 weapons bans, and previously we have not seen the DOJ 2:15:04.960 --> 2:15:09.760 intervene against those and there are a few no cases 2:15:09.800 --> 2:15:12.120 about them on their way to Supreme Court, with Supreme 2:15:12.120 --> 2:15:14.880 courts showing any particular desire to get to them. 2:15:15.120 --> 2:15:17.360 Yeah, this has been an interesting thing for a while, 2:15:17.480 --> 2:15:21.160 is that even as the Republican the right has had 2:15:21.200 --> 2:15:24.560 control of the Supreme Court for years now, they have 2:15:24.600 --> 2:15:28.560 shown a distinct unwillingness to visit the matter of like 2:15:28.640 --> 2:15:33.920 assault weapons and like magazine capacity bands. Yeah, as well 2:15:33.960 --> 2:15:36.280 as because there's definitely been some some folks this is 2:15:36.360 --> 2:15:39.440 less popular, but some some folks on the pro gun 2:15:39.520 --> 2:15:42.320 side who want them to look at like state level 2:15:42.880 --> 2:15:46.080 restrictions on like you have to like waiting periods and stuff. 2:15:46.680 --> 2:15:50.320 And it's just kind of been this detent that's existed, 2:15:50.360 --> 2:15:53.560 where like they have not pushed too far in a 2:15:53.560 --> 2:15:56.000 certain direction to like limit what Blue states can do 2:15:56.080 --> 2:15:58.920 with their gun control and if if they are, that's 2:15:58.960 --> 2:15:59.960 an interesting ship. 2:16:01.240 --> 2:16:04.600 Yeah, it's interesting that this has gone after it's a 2:16:04.640 --> 2:16:07.040 civil rights to it's through the Civil rights Division, right, 2:16:07.560 --> 2:16:10.560 I guess they're using the Hella precedent, right, which was 2:16:10.600 --> 2:16:12.440 the last time and it was Hell, it wasn't the 2:16:12.480 --> 2:16:12.840 last time. 2:16:12.840 --> 2:16:13.760 The previous one was. 2:16:13.720 --> 2:16:16.879 Bruin yeah, yeah, sir, Yeah, yeah, bruin the Brewant decision, 2:16:17.200 --> 2:16:20.120 which was the last time that the Supreme Court really 2:16:20.120 --> 2:16:23.280 made it made to change to national firearms rules. Right, 2:16:23.800 --> 2:16:26.440 It's interesting they're going off to Denver and not like, 2:16:26.480 --> 2:16:28.320 for instance, California. 2:16:28.800 --> 2:16:32.880 Well, Denver has a specific there's specifically banned VAR fifteen 2:16:33.000 --> 2:16:36.800 as opposed to California doesn't ban any specific guns. They 2:16:36.800 --> 2:16:40.800 banned features on firearms. So I suspect that would be 2:16:40.879 --> 2:16:45.160 why is that Denver is going Colorado's going after this 2:16:45.240 --> 2:16:48.280 specific firearm that and the argument that's going to be 2:16:48.320 --> 2:16:51.280 made is that the Air fifteen is the common most 2:16:51.280 --> 2:16:55.680 commonly available like rifle. Like it's absolutely the equivalent of 2:16:55.720 --> 2:16:58.600 a musket in its day, is the argument that they 2:16:58.600 --> 2:17:01.320 will be making because I Clarence Thomas has made that 2:17:01.400 --> 2:17:05.359 argument before. Yeah, so California never tried to ban air fifteens. 2:17:05.400 --> 2:17:07.000 They just made it a giant pain and they ask 2:17:07.080 --> 2:17:09.600 to own them. And that's a lot I think safer 2:17:09.640 --> 2:17:13.119 from this sort of attack, although I guess we'll see. 2:17:13.240 --> 2:17:18.240 You know, Denver's assault weapons ban is not the same 2:17:18.360 --> 2:17:20.600 as California's, but nor does it ban. 2:17:20.680 --> 2:17:22.360 AAR fifteen's by name. 2:17:22.480 --> 2:17:28.400 I'm just reading from the Denver Municipal Code, Section thirty 2:17:28.440 --> 2:17:32.240 eight one thirty the categories or the way it defines 2:17:32.440 --> 2:17:35.640 an assault weapon is a semi automatic centerfire rifle with a 2:17:35.680 --> 2:17:39.279 detachable magazine capacity at for twenty one rounds or higher. 2:17:40.240 --> 2:17:43.879 That's subsequent legislation arter that which further limits magazine capacity 2:17:44.320 --> 2:17:49.280 in Colorado all semi automatic shotguns that can take more 2:17:49.320 --> 2:17:53.560 than six cartridges and or have a folding stock, or 2:17:54.480 --> 2:17:57.560 a weapon which can be converted into one of those things. 2:17:58.360 --> 2:18:01.800 So that's actually a pretty it's not the same as 2:18:01.800 --> 2:18:05.080 a California ban. It's interesting to see them picking this one. 2:18:05.080 --> 2:18:07.760 It's also pretty old. It Denver started. It's a sort 2:18:07.800 --> 2:18:10.400 weapons ban story. It's been through the courts quite a 2:18:10.440 --> 2:18:14.280 few times, but it begins in nineteen eighty nine. But yeah, 2:18:14.320 --> 2:18:17.760 it's an interesting sort of area that will keep tabs on. 2:18:18.080 --> 2:18:20.119 Yeah, we'll keep because there's a couple of big gun 2:18:20.160 --> 2:18:22.520 things going in front of the Supreme Court this year. 2:18:23.080 --> 2:18:26.640 Right like earlier in March, the Court heard arguments on 2:18:26.680 --> 2:18:29.800 the United States versus HARMANI, which was a case about 2:18:29.800 --> 2:18:33.240 the legality of basically, if you're using a drug that 2:18:33.360 --> 2:18:35.320 is illegal, even if it's like a drug, even if 2:18:35.360 --> 2:18:37.880 it's marijuana and it's legal at the state level, if 2:18:37.879 --> 2:18:41.840 it's like federally illegal, you cannot possess own that you 2:18:41.879 --> 2:18:45.839 do anything with guns, right, And that's not really constitutional 2:18:46.200 --> 2:18:48.600 because the Second Amendment, like it or not, is like 2:18:48.640 --> 2:18:52.080 a civil right, and the idea that like, you lose 2:18:52.120 --> 2:18:55.240 a civil right because you're like ingested a substance at 2:18:55.280 --> 2:18:59.920 some point is like a wildly dangerous and anyway whatever. 2:19:00.200 --> 2:19:02.600 It's the kind of thing that just again, courts have 2:19:02.680 --> 2:19:06.680 refused to sort of take seriously, even though everyone's known 2:19:06.720 --> 2:19:09.240 there's very thin precedents. So the fact that the Supreme 2:19:09.280 --> 2:19:12.640 Court is finally hearing arguments on this is really interesting. 2:19:12.680 --> 2:19:13.800 This is a case of a guy who had both 2:19:13.840 --> 2:19:18.279 marijuana and cocaine on him when he got busted, and yeah, 2:19:18.360 --> 2:19:20.920 so we'll also cover that case. But there's a lot 2:19:20.959 --> 2:19:23.119 of going to be a lot of interesting gun stuff 2:19:23.480 --> 2:19:26.680 happening this year, not all of it bad, because honestly, 2:19:26.879 --> 2:19:30.000 if the Supreme Court were to rule that, like, no, 2:19:30.080 --> 2:19:32.680 you can't say someone can't own a gun just because 2:19:32.680 --> 2:19:35.040 they smoked pot, I would say that's a net win. 2:19:35.680 --> 2:19:38.920 But obviously there's a lot of you know, violations of 2:19:38.959 --> 2:19:41.720 States rights and whatnot. That's that's going to be I'm 2:19:41.760 --> 2:19:44.400 sure a part of this too. It'll be a messy 2:19:44.560 --> 2:19:46.400 summer for that, but this is going to be some 2:19:46.520 --> 2:19:47.680 major stories this year. 2:19:48.160 --> 2:19:50.680 Yeah, yeah, it's yeah. I think we'll certainly see some 2:19:51.000 --> 2:19:55.879 movement here. Bortal Wool construction crews have destroyed an intaglio 2:19:56.000 --> 2:19:59.480 sacred to the Autumn people. The son Old Last playas 2:19:59.520 --> 2:20:04.800 Intagli sacred site is irreparably damaged, despite the ing gray 2:20:04.840 --> 2:20:09.480 world recorded and having been identified to construction crews by 2:20:09.560 --> 2:20:14.360 cultural monitors. Ton Oudam chairman Verlin Jose said, quote, this 2:20:14.560 --> 2:20:18.160 was a devastating and entirely avoidable loss. There is nothing 2:20:18.400 --> 2:20:21.320 more important than our history, which is what makes us 2:20:21.520 --> 2:20:24.800 who we are. As oddum, the site was also an 2:20:24.879 --> 2:20:28.480 irreparable piece of the United States history, one none of 2:20:28.600 --> 2:20:31.160 us can ever get back. The nation's leaders have and 2:20:31.280 --> 2:20:34.040 will continue to meet with senior Department of Homeland Security 2:20:34.080 --> 2:20:37.000 officials to obtain more information and to communicate the nation's 2:20:37.040 --> 2:20:41.039 absolute insistance so this cannot happen again. And then, finally 2:20:41.120 --> 2:20:44.000 for me, the United States State Department has approved the 2:20:44.080 --> 2:20:49.400 sale of Jadam's to Ukraine, which is a significant increase 2:20:49.440 --> 2:20:52.880 in their capacity. Right jam if people an't familiar, stands 2:20:52.920 --> 2:20:56.880 to a joint director attack comlicition, think big bomb, Like 2:20:57.200 --> 2:21:00.440 it's a guided bomb. It can either be bomb that 2:21:00.520 --> 2:21:03.560 comes guided or you can you can change a different 2:21:03.640 --> 2:21:05.480 munition to make it become guided. 2:21:05.720 --> 2:21:08.400 These are packages, right, Like, these are kits that you 2:21:08.520 --> 2:21:10.720 take so you have like a bomb of a various 2:21:10.840 --> 2:21:14.920 sizes because they can range, and you like basically apply 2:21:15.080 --> 2:21:17.040 this kit to them and it makes it into a 2:21:17.200 --> 2:21:20.520 guided munition. Right. So it's a you can have whatever 2:21:20.640 --> 2:21:24.320 kind of explosive package you want and you can convert 2:21:24.360 --> 2:21:26.720 it into a guided munition that you then you know, 2:21:27.320 --> 2:21:30.759 drop or throw or whatever via you know, whichever. 2:21:30.440 --> 2:21:32.840 Platform you have it to be using. Yeah, these are 2:21:32.879 --> 2:21:34.480 like aircraft fired right. 2:21:35.240 --> 2:21:39.240 Yes, yes, And in these case they're extended range tail kits. 2:21:39.800 --> 2:21:43.720 It's not the bomb itself, but the thing that allows 2:21:43.800 --> 2:21:46.760 the bomb to be delivered to a target. 2:21:47.440 --> 2:21:47.560 Right. 2:21:47.680 --> 2:21:50.920 Again, this is a package. You have a bomb that's 2:21:50.959 --> 2:21:52.920 a dumb explosive and this is the thing that you 2:21:53.040 --> 2:21:55.120 put onto it that allows it to be like a 2:21:55.240 --> 2:21:58.920 smart munition that's targeted. Like it's it's an air to 2:21:59.040 --> 2:22:02.920 surface munition. Generally they're like one thousand two thousand pound 2:22:03.000 --> 2:22:04.960 warheads I think for the most part. 2:22:05.160 --> 2:22:07.880 Yeah, I guess in this case it would depend on 2:22:08.400 --> 2:22:09.840 whatever the warhead is, right. 2:22:10.520 --> 2:22:12.720 But like there's there's five hundred pound ones, Like there's 2:22:12.760 --> 2:22:14.800 a variety of sizes. 2:22:16.080 --> 2:22:20.680 Obviously, the Ukrainians have used many of their long range 2:22:20.720 --> 2:22:25.040 assets right to attack Russia inside Russia. Previously, this has 2:22:25.080 --> 2:22:27.800 been something the United States had kind of drawn a 2:22:27.959 --> 2:22:28.560 line at. 2:22:28.920 --> 2:22:31.440 That seems to no longer be the case. This will 2:22:31.480 --> 2:22:34.440 obviously also be a massive contract right there. 2:22:34.480 --> 2:22:36.520 The principal contractor he's going to be Boeing, who are 2:22:36.560 --> 2:22:40.680 located in Saint Louis, and the estimated total cost is 2:22:40.680 --> 2:22:43.480 about a third of a billion dollars, so three hundred 2:22:43.520 --> 2:22:44.199 and seventy. 2:22:43.959 --> 2:22:45.280 Three million to be exact. 2:22:45.640 --> 2:22:47.440 There's been like a big push in a couple of 2:22:47.480 --> 2:22:51.520 different states to increase munition production, and it has been 2:22:51.680 --> 2:22:53.640 very uneven in terms of how it's worked so far. 2:22:53.760 --> 2:22:56.320 They've encountered a lot of issues scaling up production to 2:22:56.360 --> 2:22:59.480 the level they need. I'm not convinced in our ability 2:22:59.560 --> 2:23:03.000 to actually like meet this at the time frame being proposed, 2:23:03.080 --> 2:23:06.280 but we'll see. That's what we I've caught. I've been 2:23:06.480 --> 2:23:08.880 reporting on that a couple of times so far. This Yeah, yeah, 2:23:09.000 --> 2:23:12.400 the munition shortage and our issues and scaling up product production. 2:23:12.520 --> 2:23:14.959 I'll probably do something later this year, like a more 2:23:15.000 --> 2:23:17.560 detailed look at like what the pitfalls have been. But 2:23:18.400 --> 2:23:21.560 it's actually surprisingly hard just because they say we're putting 2:23:21.600 --> 2:23:24.840 this much money into, you know, creating these facilities or 2:23:24.920 --> 2:23:28.400 encouraging the production to scale up, it's not necessarily that 2:23:28.480 --> 2:23:29.560 easy to actually do that. 2:23:30.680 --> 2:23:32.680 A close to State Department says there will be no 2:23:32.800 --> 2:23:35.280 adverse impact on US defense readiness as a result of 2:23:35.320 --> 2:23:36.120 this for post sale. 2:23:36.400 --> 2:23:37.680 I don't see why there would. 2:23:37.879 --> 2:23:39.240 Yeah, that's what they're going to say. 2:23:39.520 --> 2:23:42.800 These are standoff munitions. The US military is not show 2:23:42.840 --> 2:23:44.640 on them for our purposes. But like the shit that 2:23:45.040 --> 2:23:49.280 we're getting cleaned out on primarily is not Like this 2:23:49.440 --> 2:23:51.680 is not the main thing. I mean, we're definitely being stretched, 2:23:51.720 --> 2:23:54.680 but this is not the main thing. It's it's sidewinders. 2:23:54.720 --> 2:23:57.560 It's like our cruise missiles and it's our our interceptor 2:23:57.600 --> 2:24:00.640 missiles are like the big things that we're st right 2:24:00.680 --> 2:24:02.600 now speaking of. 2:24:03.600 --> 2:24:07.960 On May one, Resident Trump quote unquote joked that's some 2:24:08.040 --> 2:24:10.360 most people are referring to this joke that we will 2:24:10.360 --> 2:24:15.680 be sure quote unquote taking over Cuba almost immediately great 2:24:15.959 --> 2:24:17.519 after finishing. 2:24:17.120 --> 2:24:18.520 With Iran sounds real. 2:24:18.640 --> 2:24:21.880 He has made previous comments to this effect the past 2:24:21.959 --> 2:24:22.560 few months. 2:24:22.760 --> 2:24:25.480 Yeah, his joke was that Abraham Lincoln would stop on 2:24:25.520 --> 2:24:27.840 the way back from Iran right and park off one 2:24:27.920 --> 2:24:30.840 hundred yards off the coast of Cuba and they would 2:24:30.879 --> 2:24:31.760 immediately surrender. 2:24:31.920 --> 2:24:32.920 Just kind of knock that out. 2:24:33.240 --> 2:24:34.720 Yeah, I mean, we're going to get onto this, but 2:24:35.680 --> 2:24:38.320 this is not the only thing pointing towards Cuba right now. 2:24:39.280 --> 2:24:40.800 I have trouble knowing how this is going to go 2:24:40.840 --> 2:24:45.080 because obviously, like Venezuela was the best case scenario for them, 2:24:45.400 --> 2:24:48.720 Like Maduro was not personally popular, and he had us, 2:24:49.080 --> 2:24:51.720 he had like the apparatus below him, was more than 2:24:51.840 --> 2:24:54.400 happy to just kind of like everyone move up a 2:24:54.520 --> 2:24:57.920 step and be nicer to the US on paper, like, 2:24:58.240 --> 2:25:02.600 whereas Iran, that's certainly not how anything has worked out, 2:25:02.600 --> 2:25:04.680 because you had this whole state has been built for 2:25:04.879 --> 2:25:10.000 the last sixty years to endure casualties without like losing 2:25:10.080 --> 2:25:13.959 operational capacity or its ability to resist. Cuba's not really 2:25:14.120 --> 2:25:16.960 quite like either government and I don't know what's going 2:25:17.040 --> 2:25:19.280 to happen. You know, on one hand, it is a 2:25:19.360 --> 2:25:23.560 country that's exhausted by decades of sanctions and exhausted by 2:25:24.120 --> 2:25:27.240 you know what has become after Venezuela since they're no 2:25:27.320 --> 2:25:29.800 longer sending fuel cube, but like their fuel crisis is 2:25:29.920 --> 2:25:32.560 just devastating. I don't know. Maybe it is a case 2:25:32.640 --> 2:25:37.680 where the government would capitulate fairly quickly, and then you 2:25:37.959 --> 2:25:41.320 just kind of have the okay, what happens now question, 2:25:41.600 --> 2:25:44.280 like the humanitarian issue, which I'm sure would be very 2:25:44.320 --> 2:25:47.120 I'm sure you'd get a lot of like grifters get 2:25:47.360 --> 2:25:49.400 flowed in there by the Trump administration. It would not 2:25:49.560 --> 2:25:54.480 be a positive situation. Or you know, is this a 2:25:54.600 --> 2:25:57.880 thing where there would be even as exhausted as people are, 2:25:58.000 --> 2:26:01.640 immediate and like vicious resistance to any attempt by the 2:26:01.760 --> 2:26:04.360 US to assert its will politically over there. 2:26:04.400 --> 2:26:07.280 I have no idea. And the other thing is that military. 2:26:07.920 --> 2:26:10.080 It's more when it's why it's he's at than where 2:26:10.120 --> 2:26:14.480 around he's at, Right they get out, sure, and the funded. 2:26:14.240 --> 2:26:16.720 It was the Cuban military that we were fighting in 2:26:16.840 --> 2:26:20.040 Venezuela to an extent. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know. 2:26:20.280 --> 2:26:20.680 I don't know. 2:26:21.000 --> 2:26:24.840 That said like, it's also at the point at which 2:26:25.480 --> 2:26:28.920 those carrier groups are trying to do that in Cuba, 2:26:29.000 --> 2:26:32.240 they'll have been on almost twice as long as they're 2:26:32.240 --> 2:26:34.520 normally supposed to be out, and who knows, Like what 2:26:34.680 --> 2:26:37.080 is done in Iran? Look like what's that going to mean? 2:26:37.320 --> 2:26:39.960 Yeah, like there that war is not ending anytime soon. 2:26:40.200 --> 2:26:42.440 So like I mean, maybe he just tries to do 2:26:42.520 --> 2:26:46.280 it at the same time, but like it's yeah, I 2:26:46.320 --> 2:26:48.480 don't know. We're stuck in the mutual blockade right now, 2:26:48.640 --> 2:26:51.360 so impossible to know what he's gonna do or what 2:26:51.400 --> 2:26:53.879 will what will happen as a result of it, other 2:26:54.000 --> 2:26:55.960 than I don't expect any of it's going to go 2:26:56.080 --> 2:26:58.080 very well. Nope, it's gonna be a nightmare. 2:26:58.879 --> 2:27:04.000 In some sad news, on Sunday, America's mayor Rudy Giuliani 2:27:04.280 --> 2:27:07.920 was sent to the hospital in critical condition. Giuliani is 2:27:07.920 --> 2:27:09.880 obviously a friend of the POD. We had him on 2:27:09.920 --> 2:27:13.280 a few years ago to discuss sending weapons to Ukraine. 2:27:13.760 --> 2:27:16.280 We would love to have him back to discuss this 2:27:16.720 --> 2:27:21.080 this recent sale, but unfortunately, Giuliani developed pneumonia after coming 2:27:21.120 --> 2:27:23.240 back from a trip to Paris and was put on 2:27:23.320 --> 2:27:27.920 a ventilator this weekend. Now, thankfully he's been since we've 2:27:27.920 --> 2:27:31.880 taken off the ventilator, and skokesman Ted Goodman, who I 2:27:31.959 --> 2:27:35.320 do not like very much, announced that Giuliani's condition is 2:27:35.320 --> 2:27:37.920 stabilized and he is now breathing on his own. Last 2:27:37.959 --> 2:27:40.880 time we interacted with Goodman, it was specifically him pulling 2:27:40.920 --> 2:27:45.560 Giuliani away from us after speaking with him for about 2:27:45.600 --> 2:27:49.680 twenty minutes. So I really don't care for Goodman personally, 2:27:49.879 --> 2:27:52.119 But I mean, if if Giuliani ever wants to discuss 2:27:52.879 --> 2:27:55.320 weapons sales to Ukraine on the show again, I'm sure 2:27:55.320 --> 2:27:56.200 we would love to have him. 2:27:56.400 --> 2:28:00.560 Yeah, you know, Garret, I saved a little vial of 2:28:00.640 --> 2:28:02.840 the spittle that that flew off of his mouth when 2:28:02.959 --> 2:28:05.680 when he and I were discussing UH weapons sales to 2:28:05.800 --> 2:28:08.440 Ukraine back at the r n C, and I keep 2:28:08.480 --> 2:28:10.760 it on me every day, and I'm i'm holding it now, 2:28:10.800 --> 2:28:13.080 and I'm I'm just thinking to you, Rudy. I'm just 2:28:13.200 --> 2:28:15.480 I'm just pulling for you, man, I'm pulling for you. 2:28:17.440 --> 2:28:33.400 We'll probably go on and had a break now, Okay, 2:28:34.240 --> 2:28:36.800 we are back. Robert has just failed to execute a 2:28:36.959 --> 2:28:38.760 Simpson's themed audio bit. 2:28:39.560 --> 2:28:41.840 I know I wanted to play you crusty the clowns 2:28:41.920 --> 2:28:45.520 saying the hantavirus, because we're talking about the haunt virus. 2:28:45.640 --> 2:28:46.320 Well, that's good enough. 2:28:46.360 --> 2:28:49.360 There, you're your impression. I think services does that? Does 2:28:49.400 --> 2:28:51.119 that work? It's beautiful. 2:28:51.360 --> 2:28:54.720 I'm still saying eight people I suspected, at least people are. 2:28:54.760 --> 2:28:57.320 They're suspected to be infected with a haunt of virus 2:28:57.400 --> 2:29:01.599 restrain that I've confirmed capable of human to human transmission. 2:29:02.200 --> 2:29:05.680 This is stemming from an outbreak on a cruise ship. 2:29:06.320 --> 2:29:08.120 We got to do something about the cruise ships. 2:29:08.440 --> 2:29:13.000 Yeah, yeah, Now they're disease factories. First off, like everyone knows, 2:29:13.120 --> 2:29:15.279 this happens in cruise ships, which is why we shouldn't 2:29:15.280 --> 2:29:18.240 have them. We don't know exactly how this went down. 2:29:18.320 --> 2:29:20.800 We know there at least five people are confirmed who 2:29:20.840 --> 2:29:22.920 have gotten the haunt of virus like they've done, and 2:29:23.120 --> 2:29:27.240 another three are suspect from testing. Three people are dead, yes, 2:29:27.360 --> 2:29:29.840 and I think another couple are in serious conditions. 2:29:29.879 --> 2:29:30.119 Still. 2:29:30.400 --> 2:29:33.480 Yes, it's not known how they got it. It's possible 2:29:33.600 --> 2:29:36.480 that some of them were human to human transmission. 2:29:37.120 --> 2:29:42.200 Argentine officials believe that a Dutch couple contracted the virus 2:29:42.240 --> 2:29:45.240 about bird watching at a landfill where they may have 2:29:45.280 --> 2:29:48.760 been exposed to rat poop before boarding the cruise ship. 2:29:48.959 --> 2:29:52.440 What a series auntavirus has been has been a problem 2:29:52.480 --> 2:29:55.720 in Argentina for the past year. This has been a 2:29:55.840 --> 2:29:59.039 known problem. Oh yeah, some human to human cases. There's 2:29:59.080 --> 2:30:02.520 multiple strains there now. So far, three people are suspected 2:30:02.560 --> 2:30:04.920 to have died from the virus, while three others have 2:30:04.959 --> 2:30:08.280 been evacuated to Europe from the cruise ship for treatment. 2:30:09.000 --> 2:30:11.920 To be clear, it's not because because this is what 2:30:11.959 --> 2:30:15.280 I'd read, it's a strain that can be transmitted human 2:30:15.320 --> 2:30:17.879 to human. Ok they don't know how everyone who got 2:30:17.920 --> 2:30:20.080 it got it, Like, they don't know that everyone who 2:30:20.160 --> 2:30:22.360 got it was human to human or that they were 2:30:22.520 --> 2:30:25.600 didn't all just get exposed to the same droppings. But 2:30:25.680 --> 2:30:30.760 it's the Andean strain that can transfer humanity. Okay, it's 2:30:31.080 --> 2:30:34.720 a problem, but probably it'll be fine, right, Garrison Well, 2:30:35.080 --> 2:30:35.560 the World. 2:30:35.400 --> 2:30:41.680 Health Organization's top epidemic expert Maria van Kirkhov, has cautioned, quote, 2:30:42.200 --> 2:30:44.240 this is not the next COVID, but it is a 2:30:44.320 --> 2:30:47.680 serious infectious disease. Most people will never be exposed to 2:30:47.760 --> 2:30:52.120 this unquote, and Reuters included a statement from the World 2:30:52.160 --> 2:30:55.680 Health Organization and they're reporting. They say that the risk 2:30:55.800 --> 2:30:59.080 to the public remains low and that the variant detected 2:30:59.160 --> 2:31:03.480 among passengers can be spread between humans only through close 2:31:03.640 --> 2:31:08.520 prolonged contact unquote. Now, there is contact tracing currently in 2:31:08.680 --> 2:31:13.440 effect by officials in South Africa and Switzerland specifically, who 2:31:13.440 --> 2:31:17.000 are tracking a few people that departed the ship. Many 2:31:17.080 --> 2:31:19.360 others are still on the ship, which is set to 2:31:19.480 --> 2:31:23.279 land either at Spain or some of the Canary Islands 2:31:23.320 --> 2:31:26.280 around Spain in a few days. That's what that's what 2:31:26.400 --> 2:31:28.480 we know. That's what we know. So sure, yeah, it's 2:31:28.560 --> 2:31:30.960 it's this is changing like literally by the hour, so 2:31:31.480 --> 2:31:33.040 it's possible by the time you listen to this there'll 2:31:33.040 --> 2:31:35.800 be a whole bunch of more information about what's happened. 2:31:36.160 --> 2:31:39.320 But that is the current, the current situation as of 2:31:39.560 --> 2:31:41.080 Wednesday afternoon. 2:31:41.879 --> 2:31:44.040 Yeah, and I think we can also say definitively that 2:31:44.120 --> 2:31:46.040 if you want to avoid the haunt of virus, like 2:31:46.160 --> 2:31:48.240 the number one step you can take is not getting 2:31:48.280 --> 2:31:49.119 on a plague ship. 2:31:49.720 --> 2:31:50.039 Yeah, and. 2:31:52.000 --> 2:31:56.039 Land landfill to cruise ships. It's a series. 2:31:56.680 --> 2:32:01.320 Yeah, we can. We have the technology to avoid this. 2:32:02.120 --> 2:32:08.120 Speaking of rat poop, on Wednesday, ms NOW my favorite 2:32:08.120 --> 2:32:13.520 outlet reported that the FBI is investigating leaks to the 2:32:13.640 --> 2:32:17.120 Atlantic Journalists to publish that story about Cash Betel's drinking 2:32:17.200 --> 2:32:21.080 habits and absences from his job, a story that the 2:32:21.200 --> 2:32:25.000 FBI is previously called false but now is launching a 2:32:25.160 --> 2:32:30.520 criminal leak investigation into. These investigations typically focus on leaking 2:32:30.560 --> 2:32:34.520 classhid information, which does not appear to be a factor 2:32:34.680 --> 2:32:39.280 in this Atlantic article. Betel is also suing The Atlantic 2:32:39.320 --> 2:32:42.400 for defamation for like two hundred and fifty million dollars, 2:32:43.400 --> 2:32:46.320 and now through this investigation, the FBI may be able 2:32:46.400 --> 2:32:50.360 to seize the journalist's digital records. The FBI is denied, though, 2:32:50.560 --> 2:32:55.720 that this investigation exists, and a few hours ago the 2:32:55.800 --> 2:32:59.040 Atlantic Journalists published a follow up story which we should 2:32:59.160 --> 2:33:05.080 mention that Cash Hotel has been giving away customized whiskey 2:33:05.280 --> 2:33:07.240 flask bottles, like bottles full full. 2:33:07.120 --> 2:33:10.240 Full of rate. It's reserve. It's what it is. It's 2:33:10.240 --> 2:33:11.400 a bottle. 2:33:11.480 --> 2:33:14.280 Yeah, he's got his own bottle of Woodford reserve. Yeah 2:33:14.360 --> 2:33:16.600 he's getting he's getting what Costco has. 2:33:16.840 --> 2:33:20.680 Yeah, he's getting like a thoroughly mediocre, like middling bourbon 2:33:20.879 --> 2:33:23.800 with his name on it, which is definitely something an 2:33:23.840 --> 2:33:28.600 alcoholic doesn't have. Definitely a normal non alcoholic thing to 2:33:28.720 --> 2:33:31.560 do is to have like a thirty dollars bottle of 2:33:31.600 --> 2:33:33.880 bourbon with your name on it that you hand out 2:33:34.000 --> 2:33:35.440 to strangers at work. 2:33:37.160 --> 2:33:41.320 Alcoholics still do. Yeah, it's not great. This is not 2:33:41.400 --> 2:33:42.480 a great revelation. 2:33:43.040 --> 2:33:47.160 This, this investigation, if real, very very dangerous, right, It's 2:33:47.160 --> 2:33:50.320 a really really bad shit to happen. To have this 2:33:50.959 --> 2:33:55.160 clearly like personally motivated weaponization of the FBI against a 2:33:55.240 --> 2:34:01.680 journalist going through social media records, data bases, digital records, 2:34:01.959 --> 2:34:05.760 very worrying. But also cash Ptel funny. 2:34:06.600 --> 2:34:10.320 Yeah, but yeah, Cashptel is this fascinating? Like, well, this 2:34:10.480 --> 2:34:15.960 is should certainly a legal, incredibly dangerous thing to have 2:34:16.080 --> 2:34:19.520 the FBI director doing, And like what a ridiculous man? 2:34:19.959 --> 2:34:22.280 What It's just a fundamentally ridiculous guy. 2:34:23.160 --> 2:34:24.160 I don't know what else to say. 2:34:26.320 --> 2:34:30.000 Meanwhile, in the broad world of things falling apart, Spirit 2:34:30.040 --> 2:34:33.760 Airlines has fallen. It is effectively no. 2:34:33.920 --> 2:34:39.160 More all right, p pouring one out, specifically, a personalized 2:34:39.200 --> 2:34:41.640 bottle of Woodford Reserve is what I'm pulling out for 2:34:42.000 --> 2:34:42.840 Spirit Airlines. 2:34:43.360 --> 2:34:45.840 So Spirit Airlines, I mean, has been in financial trouble 2:34:45.920 --> 2:34:48.760 for a bit, but it has now filed for bankruptcy. 2:34:48.840 --> 2:34:51.119 It has grounded all of its planes and fired everyone. 2:34:51.720 --> 2:34:57.320 So it is gone, and it is gone very very suddenly. 2:34:57.440 --> 2:34:59.640 This is not something that was you know, like the 2:35:00.200 --> 2:35:02.600 there had been long gooing negotiation, not long going, but 2:35:02.640 --> 2:35:04.800 there have been negotiations with the Trump administration to try 2:35:04.840 --> 2:35:09.560 to arrange a bailout. But they just kind of woke 2:35:09.680 --> 2:35:11.880 up one morning and sent everyone a letter of that 2:35:11.920 --> 2:35:14.920 said you're fired and canceled all the planes, which left 2:35:14.959 --> 2:35:16.600 a whole bunch of people stranded. 2:35:17.080 --> 2:35:19.760 Not ideal. Yeah, and this is a. 2:35:19.800 --> 2:35:22.120 Real catastrophe for a lot of people because there are 2:35:22.120 --> 2:35:24.360 a bunch of routes that Spirit was doing that there 2:35:24.440 --> 2:35:28.200 just isn't really coverage of for anything else. And it's 2:35:28.240 --> 2:35:31.840 also one of the few of these bunch of airlines 2:35:31.920 --> 2:35:35.720 are getting just hammered by the increase in fuel prices 2:35:36.080 --> 2:35:38.480 for people who don't know aviation stuff. As much as 2:35:39.040 --> 2:35:41.680 airplane companies complained about like the cost of labor as 2:35:41.720 --> 2:35:44.720 they like horrifically exploit flight attendants, the actual most expensive 2:35:44.720 --> 2:35:48.480 part of flying is fuel, and as fuel prices have skyrocketed, 2:35:48.520 --> 2:35:52.600 specifically jet fuel prices have skyrocketed, that is taking an 2:35:52.720 --> 2:35:56.920 absolutely enormous hit out of the bottom line of these companies, 2:35:56.959 --> 2:35:59.160 and companies that were sort of just barely getting along 2:35:59.240 --> 2:36:03.000 and operated on the low margins are getting hit really badly. 2:36:03.080 --> 2:36:06.959 And this is something that's not just a Spirit Airlines thing. 2:36:07.040 --> 2:36:10.320 This is happening to airlines across the world. It's particularly 2:36:10.520 --> 2:36:15.320 intense in South and East Asia right now, where a 2:36:15.520 --> 2:36:18.200 huge number of their airlines are operating in this kind 2:36:18.200 --> 2:36:20.760 of like they call it like emergency management, where they've 2:36:20.840 --> 2:36:24.400 like significantly reduced the amount of flights that they're doing. 2:36:25.040 --> 2:36:28.880 In cases like Korean Air, there routes from you know, 2:36:28.920 --> 2:36:31.440 for example, like sold in New York, like or operating 2:36:31.480 --> 2:36:35.080 on two hundred percent price increases. This has been going 2:36:35.120 --> 2:36:39.279 on for a while. Spirit is the first big American one. 2:36:39.200 --> 2:36:40.960 To just go out completely. 2:36:41.920 --> 2:36:47.160 There are reports that Trump personally really wanted to save 2:36:48.400 --> 2:36:54.279 Spirit Airlines for kind of weird personal reasons. 2:36:54.959 --> 2:36:59.200 Yeah. I can see that, Yeah, but I mean it's Spirit. 2:36:59.320 --> 2:36:59.600 Also. 2:37:00.640 --> 2:37:04.040 A part of like why it has fallen apart is 2:37:04.200 --> 2:37:07.040 that it's been a victim of its own success. Like 2:37:07.200 --> 2:37:11.520 Spirit introduced to the airline industry, the idea of like, no, 2:37:11.800 --> 2:37:14.280 everyone should be paying for a bag and for a 2:37:14.360 --> 2:37:17.360 drink for every single thing. We should financialize every single 2:37:17.440 --> 2:37:20.800 aspect of the of the airline, of the flying process 2:37:20.879 --> 2:37:24.600 that we can. And as a result, like they stopped 2:37:24.720 --> 2:37:29.000 being particularly cheap and they stopped working any different from 2:37:29.040 --> 2:37:31.000 any of the other airlines. So there was not really 2:37:31.080 --> 2:37:34.000 much of a reason to go with Spirit as opposed 2:37:34.080 --> 2:37:37.760 to any of the slightly nicer airlines anymore, you know, 2:37:37.959 --> 2:37:42.640 Like I mean, I'm not surprised that they are falling, definitely, 2:37:42.800 --> 2:37:46.879 Like the fuel strike is what has been the death 2:37:46.920 --> 2:37:49.800 blow to them, but they've been they've been in trouble 2:37:49.840 --> 2:37:50.560 for a little while. 2:37:51.160 --> 2:37:53.440 Yeah, And because like we've known that they've been in 2:37:53.520 --> 2:37:58.800 trouble the Trump administration negotiations, apparently the stumbling block was 2:37:58.879 --> 2:38:01.320 that the US plan was to give them like five 2:38:01.400 --> 2:38:04.280 hundred million dollars, but it would involve buying most of 2:38:04.400 --> 2:38:07.320 their stock, and the rest of the airline industry was 2:38:07.400 --> 2:38:09.880 like absolutely not, We're not We're not doing a bailout 2:38:09.959 --> 2:38:13.000 for just one company if like, instead of an industry 2:38:13.080 --> 2:38:16.640 wide one. And so they started putting pressure and then 2:38:16.959 --> 2:38:20.040 Trump was apparently looking at like using the Defense Production 2:38:20.160 --> 2:38:22.720 Act for this, but the Department of Defense finally found 2:38:22.760 --> 2:38:24.840 a defense Production Act thing that Trump wants to do. 2:38:24.920 --> 2:38:27.680 That they were like, absolutely not, Like we are simply 2:38:27.800 --> 2:38:31.640 not doing Like we finally found I've been talking about 2:38:31.640 --> 2:38:33.720 this in tariff episodes for a long time, where we've 2:38:33.760 --> 2:38:36.440 been looking for the limit of the president's ability to 2:38:36.520 --> 2:38:39.520 go this is the national security concern, and apparent limit 2:38:39.800 --> 2:38:42.040 is buying Speri Airlines. 2:38:44.040 --> 2:38:46.000 That's funny because it is a time when the US 2:38:46.120 --> 2:38:48.800 is flying a lot of stuff around the world, like 2:38:48.959 --> 2:38:52.520 the airlift to Iran has been bonkers. 2:38:53.360 --> 2:38:55.120 Yeah, it would have been fun to see Spirit. 2:38:56.240 --> 2:38:57.840 The one kind of final that I want to talk 2:38:57.879 --> 2:38:59.840 about is that there's been a lot of blaming of 2:38:59.879 --> 2:39:04.000 the from the administration. And you know, there's even been 2:39:04.200 --> 2:39:07.160 some of this in places like Salon, where there's been 2:39:07.160 --> 2:39:11.160 a lot of blame on the Biden administration's antitrust unit 2:39:11.280 --> 2:39:14.320 because in twenty twenty two, there had been an attempt 2:39:14.360 --> 2:39:17.720 by Spirit Airlines to like merge with Jet Blue, which 2:39:17.800 --> 2:39:19.760 is like a slightly nicer airline, and there's a lot 2:39:19.800 --> 2:39:21.360 of people going, oh, well, they wouldn't have gone out 2:39:21.360 --> 2:39:23.000 of business if they've been allowed to you the merger. 2:39:23.080 --> 2:39:25.120 But the Biden administration national trust people were like this 2:39:25.240 --> 2:39:32.320 is obviously a competition issue, and that's maybe kind of true, 2:39:32.400 --> 2:39:34.800 but it's also like it's not clear to me that 2:39:34.959 --> 2:39:38.320 like a Jet Blue Spirit airline wouldn't also be in 2:39:38.520 --> 2:39:41.120 really bad shape right now, Yeah, totally. 2:39:41.240 --> 2:39:41.440 Yeah. 2:39:41.520 --> 2:39:44.360 I think the thing about competition, right is that sometimes 2:39:44.400 --> 2:39:46.120 you go out of business. And I know this is 2:39:46.160 --> 2:39:50.280 something that like business people absolutely despise, and like pro 2:39:50.360 --> 2:39:53.080 minocally people absolutely despise. But like in theory, if you 2:39:53.200 --> 2:39:56.199 are a supporter of the free market, that means sometimes 2:39:56.600 --> 2:39:59.560 the firms go under. Yeah, and they're all very mad 2:39:59.600 --> 2:39:59.880 about this. 2:40:00.720 --> 2:40:06.320 We especially airlines. Lots of airlines die out. That's why 2:40:06.520 --> 2:40:09.000 mad men, you know, like you look at all the 2:40:09.080 --> 2:40:13.760 dead airlines and madmen, like it's not an unheard of thing. 2:40:13.840 --> 2:40:15.040 It's a difficult business. 2:40:15.560 --> 2:40:16.400 Yeah yeah. 2:40:16.440 --> 2:40:18.000 And it's like and that's like why you've gotten the 2:40:18.040 --> 2:40:20.240 degree of monopoly you already have in the airline industries, 2:40:20.280 --> 2:40:22.200 that these companies sort of bought up the carcasses and 2:40:22.320 --> 2:40:24.920 like you know, did all of these very monopolistic mergers. 2:40:24.959 --> 2:40:26.840 So there now you just have this thing where like, yeah, 2:40:26.879 --> 2:40:31.039 flying absolutely sucks because it's all just these like oh god, 2:40:31.080 --> 2:40:33.320 there's some economics term for it. That I'm forgetting right now. 2:40:33.320 --> 2:40:34.920 But it's it's all of these types of monopolies that 2:40:34.959 --> 2:40:37.039 have like divided up the country into their rome basically 2:40:37.120 --> 2:40:40.760 personal fiefdoms, and yeah, that sucks, and it's why, it's 2:40:40.760 --> 2:40:45.320 why being on an airplane sucks. Shit and opposing monopolies 2:40:45.440 --> 2:40:48.760 is not the reason that we're here. It's the main 2:40:48.840 --> 2:40:51.480 reason that we are here right now with Spear Airlines 2:40:51.520 --> 2:40:53.760 dead is that the President of the United States unilaterally 2:40:53.840 --> 2:40:55.800 decided he was going to fight a war against Iran. 2:40:56.080 --> 2:40:56.280 Yeah. 2:40:56.400 --> 2:41:00.560 I guess technically bilaterally because God BB decided to Israelis, 2:41:00.640 --> 2:41:02.680 but like you know, the President United like the the 2:41:02.920 --> 2:41:05.320 the US is mad dictator, decided to fight a war. 2:41:05.400 --> 2:41:08.560 And that's why this airline is gone. Yeah, that's that's 2:41:08.760 --> 2:41:11.119 that's the main thing. That's why it's gone. Like now 2:41:11.320 --> 2:41:11.920 in this way. 2:41:12.440 --> 2:41:16.560 Yeah, somebody needs to photoshop like Spirit Airlines in heaven 2:41:16.680 --> 2:41:19.119 with uh the ayatola hameni uh. 2:41:19.840 --> 2:41:20.200 Just like. 2:41:21.680 --> 2:41:25.840 Holding hands together. Two beautiful souls lost too. 2:41:26.200 --> 2:41:28.640 He's getting on one final final flight. 2:41:29.000 --> 2:41:32.400 Yeah, see later, space Cowboy. 2:41:34.200 --> 2:41:34.400 God. 2:41:35.240 --> 2:41:38.800 In other wonderful news, we're pivoting from spirits to ghosts, 2:41:39.680 --> 2:41:43.440 and we are pivoting to a very a very interesting 2:41:43.480 --> 2:41:48.360 piece of reporting from CNN, who has obtained polling data 2:41:48.959 --> 2:41:54.920 that suggests that the President's new Ballroom, which has expanded 2:41:54.959 --> 2:41:58.480 significant political capital from an assassination attempt to attempt to 2:41:58.520 --> 2:42:02.720 get built, is in terms of quote, Americans who support 2:42:02.920 --> 2:42:06.840 or believe in new White House Ballroom is pulling at 2:42:06.920 --> 2:42:09.840 twenty eight percent, which is lower than the percentage of 2:42:09.879 --> 2:42:13.039 Americans who believe in ghosts and one percent lower than 2:42:13.080 --> 2:42:15.199 the percentage of Americans who believe in telepathy. 2:42:15.320 --> 2:42:18.800 Americans love believing in ghosts, h we. 2:42:18.920 --> 2:42:22.640 Do, we do love to believe in ghosts. Well, ghosts 2:42:22.640 --> 2:42:23.560 thing at thirty nine percent. 2:42:23.600 --> 2:42:25.760 I was I was expecting to let usually it's higher 2:42:25.800 --> 2:42:26.040 than that. 2:42:26.280 --> 2:42:30.000 I I it could also be support ghosts, right like. 2:42:32.000 --> 2:42:34.840 Unted, Yeah, I'm gonna take believe in the ballroom, like 2:42:34.920 --> 2:42:37.600 do they believe it exists? Like like this is an odd. 2:42:40.000 --> 2:42:41.879 I have a lot of questions of the methodology. 2:42:42.040 --> 2:42:43.320 I'm a White House denia. 2:42:44.040 --> 2:42:46.120 Part of the frustration here is, I think because this 2:42:46.360 --> 2:42:49.560 this presentation is coming from noted enemy of the podcast 2:42:49.840 --> 2:42:55.040 Harry Eaton CNN's discount version of Steve Kornacki, who is 2:42:55.160 --> 2:43:00.320 a is a noted noted Calshi supporter. Yeah, I do 2:43:00.480 --> 2:43:03.119 not like this man, and I think he manipulates data 2:43:03.280 --> 2:43:06.920 for entertainment. Yeah, no, he is, He's not good. 2:43:07.440 --> 2:43:09.600 It is also also worth noting so that like the 2:43:09.640 --> 2:43:13.000 opposition to the ballroom, Oh he is also like yeah, 2:43:13.320 --> 2:43:16.119 it's about twenty eight percent, like everyone hates it. It's 2:43:16.480 --> 2:43:19.600 it's somehow it's lower than his approval reading, which the 2:43:19.680 --> 2:43:23.800 stars reading is like getting lower through the thirties and 2:43:23.920 --> 2:43:26.960 threatening to go below thirty percent, and somehow the ballroom 2:43:27.000 --> 2:43:30.080 beating is worse, which just astonishing. 2:43:31.720 --> 2:43:33.320 Yeah, I do want to talk to the people who 2:43:33.600 --> 2:43:36.959 still like him, but the ballroom. 2:43:36.959 --> 2:43:40.240 They really the people that support the people that support 2:43:40.320 --> 2:43:42.360 the war on Iran, but draw the line at the 2:43:42.400 --> 2:43:45.320 ballroom is a really disturbing character today. 2:43:45.400 --> 2:43:48.560 Yeah, it's like, well, no, it's it's it's the converted 2:43:48.680 --> 2:43:49.640 never Trump Republican. 2:43:50.440 --> 2:43:51.480 Yeah, maybe. 2:43:52.879 --> 2:43:57.080 If I agree with that, but yeah, speaking of that ballroom, 2:43:58.160 --> 2:44:03.240 the Senate GOP has released a seventy two billion reconciliation 2:44:03.440 --> 2:44:07.800 package to fund ice and border patrol after their funding 2:44:08.280 --> 2:44:12.279 was removed from the long fought after DHS funding package, 2:44:12.320 --> 2:44:14.480 which finally passed last week. 2:44:14.959 --> 2:44:15.160 Yay. 2:44:15.800 --> 2:44:19.320 The Judiciary Committee and the Homeland Security Committee each released 2:44:19.440 --> 2:44:22.240 proposed bills, and this package can pass the sent out 2:44:22.280 --> 2:44:25.879 with a simple majority rather than sixty votes. There's also 2:44:26.000 --> 2:44:29.400 a small provision here for the ballroom, which I'll get 2:44:29.440 --> 2:44:32.840 to you. But let's start with talking about the other funding. 2:44:33.959 --> 2:44:38.160 These bills appropriate over twenty two point five billion dollars 2:44:38.280 --> 2:44:42.200 for US Customs and Border Protection until September thirtieth, twenty 2:44:42.320 --> 2:44:46.520 twenty nine, for hiring, paying, training, equipping agents, and necessary 2:44:46.520 --> 2:44:50.520 support staff, plus other necessary expenses for mission support, operations 2:44:50.600 --> 2:44:54.720 and maintenance. I'll draw atension to an extra three point 2:44:54.879 --> 2:45:00.040 five billion allotted for quote, procurement and integration of a 2:45:00.120 --> 2:45:06.160 new non intrusive inspection equipment unquote, which they specify as 2:45:06.440 --> 2:45:10.640 AI tools to combat drug smuggling at ports of entry. 2:45:11.320 --> 2:45:13.160 Yeah, they've been on that one for a while. 2:45:13.200 --> 2:45:18.320 I'm guessing it will be their continued facial recognition or 2:45:18.440 --> 2:45:20.199 pattern recognition stuff. 2:45:20.520 --> 2:45:27.200 That's listed also in addition to this AI drug detection 2:45:27.560 --> 2:45:31.320 inspection tool. Because they also have this three point five 2:45:31.320 --> 2:45:35.240 billion going towards quote, upgrades and procurement of border surveillance 2:45:35.280 --> 2:45:39.280 technologies and the deployment of technology relating to the biometric 2:45:39.520 --> 2:45:40.760 entry and exit system. 2:45:41.160 --> 2:45:41.440 Quote. 2:45:42.280 --> 2:45:47.000 Thirty eight billion dollars is appropriated for ICE for quote hiring, paying, training, 2:45:47.120 --> 2:45:50.879 and equipping personnel including officers, agents, investigators, attorneys, and support 2:45:50.920 --> 2:45:54.959 staff to carry out immigration enforcement activities. Quote. This funding 2:45:54.959 --> 2:45:59.040 also covers transportation costs, information technology, facility and fleet maintenance 2:45:59.360 --> 2:46:04.160 and expand in coordination with local and state officials. Both 2:46:04.200 --> 2:46:07.400 the DHS and the DOJ each get a few extra 2:46:07.520 --> 2:46:12.080 billion for various uses in these bills, but at the 2:46:12.240 --> 2:46:16.080 end of the Judiciary bill, it allocates one billion dollars 2:46:16.120 --> 2:46:19.480 of tax pair dollars for security enhancements to the new 2:46:19.640 --> 2:46:23.280 White House Ballroom. This money would go to Secret Service 2:46:23.480 --> 2:46:27.160 quote for the purposes of security adjustments and upgrades, including 2:46:27.200 --> 2:46:30.000 within the perimeter fence of the White House compound, including 2:46:30.120 --> 2:46:35.240 above ground and below ground security features unquote. Trump has 2:46:35.520 --> 2:46:38.880 touted the ballroom as being entirely funded by private donors, 2:46:39.080 --> 2:46:42.560 originally costing two hundred million but ballooning to four hundred 2:46:42.640 --> 2:46:46.600 million this year, which means that these security funds are 2:46:46.760 --> 2:46:52.080 greater than the total previously estimated cost of construction. What 2:46:52.280 --> 2:46:56.600 one billion dollars versus four hundred million dollars. Now, these 2:46:56.640 --> 2:47:00.720 security funds do have a stated limitation quote. None of 2:47:00.760 --> 2:47:03.240 the funds made available under this section may be used 2:47:03.320 --> 2:47:07.760 for non security elements of the East Wing modernization project, 2:47:08.520 --> 2:47:11.800 which is what they call the ballroom. But what qualifies 2:47:11.879 --> 2:47:16.760 as security or non security elements is not clear. Is 2:47:16.800 --> 2:47:22.320 bulletproof glass or reinforced walls a security element? Does paying 2:47:22.440 --> 2:47:26.039 contractors to make adjustments or enhancements to the building count 2:47:26.160 --> 2:47:28.960 as security elements? We don't know, because this is this 2:47:29.080 --> 2:47:31.120 is a lot of money. And this again comes after 2:47:31.520 --> 2:47:35.960 the Trump administration's deployment of the attempted assassination at the 2:47:36.000 --> 2:47:40.199 White House dinner to further the development of the ballroom, 2:47:40.440 --> 2:47:44.760 and now this bill includes extra funding for it in 2:47:44.840 --> 2:47:49.400 the wake of that, and it's unclear how exactly that 2:47:49.720 --> 2:47:51.840 money would be used if passed it. 2:47:51.959 --> 2:47:54.800 Garrison, my dear friend, you are thinking way too small 2:47:54.920 --> 2:47:57.920 in terms of what the president just tried to use. 2:47:58.200 --> 2:48:01.400 Just try to use Defense Production Act buy an airline 2:48:02.040 --> 2:48:04.920 so he could like run it right, Like they're gonna 2:48:04.920 --> 2:48:06.240 be like, yeah, I had to I had to like 2:48:06.360 --> 2:48:09.200 put this this gold lace on, Like this column is 2:48:09.280 --> 2:48:10.400 actually bullet reflecting. 2:48:10.480 --> 2:48:14.680 It's gonna be like that kind of shit. That's just 2:48:14.760 --> 2:48:14.920 like the. 2:48:14.959 --> 2:48:17.359 Way this entire administration has operated. 2:48:19.160 --> 2:48:22.320 A lot of the construction could have security elements. 2:48:22.640 --> 2:48:26.160 Yeah, well, this is already something that's been discussed at 2:48:26.240 --> 2:48:29.680 length in the National Trust for Historical Preservation lawsuit against 2:48:30.080 --> 2:48:35.120 the construction right. And essentially, the Trump administration has argued 2:48:35.160 --> 2:48:41.280 that the project in and of itself is an indivisible thing. That, 2:48:41.440 --> 2:48:44.000 let the project is a security project, and you can't 2:48:44.160 --> 2:48:47.280 break out the security from the ball have a yes, 2:48:47.879 --> 2:48:50.520 And the judge has so found not agreed to that. 2:48:50.680 --> 2:48:50.800 Right. 2:48:50.920 --> 2:48:53.600 But the Trump administration has argued that like the below 2:48:53.720 --> 2:49:00.320 ground hospital room, security infrastructure, bomb shelter, et cetera, and 2:49:00.600 --> 2:49:04.880 the above ground party having room are like all one 2:49:05.000 --> 2:49:07.240 big security project. 2:49:07.360 --> 2:49:08.840 It should be one secured zone. 2:49:08.920 --> 2:49:11.800 Yeah, And and that like you cannot be because the 2:49:12.680 --> 2:49:14.920 in this case, the discussion is about the injunction, right, 2:49:14.959 --> 2:49:17.760 which paused construction. Yeah, so they're saying we can't do 2:49:17.920 --> 2:49:21.800 the security construction only, we have to do all the 2:49:21.920 --> 2:49:24.680 construction because it's a contiguous whole. 2:49:25.280 --> 2:49:29.160 So like that seems like it's relevant to this. Yeah. 2:49:29.200 --> 2:49:32.199 We will keep keep keep checking in on these reconciliation 2:49:32.320 --> 2:49:37.160 bills as they as they move through Congress. But first 2:49:37.879 --> 2:49:40.440 we will go on this ad break and then discuss 2:49:40.720 --> 2:49:43.199 Ran and some of the Tuesday elections. 2:49:55.120 --> 2:49:58.480 We are back back in the Strait of hor Moves, 2:49:58.640 --> 2:50:01.200 a place where we spend a lot of time these 2:50:01.280 --> 2:50:01.959 last few weeks. 2:50:02.080 --> 2:50:02.240 Yep. 2:50:03.000 --> 2:50:05.760 So's I guess just trying to take this in kind 2:50:05.760 --> 2:50:08.240 of chronological order, because it's probably the. 2:50:08.240 --> 2:50:09.120 Best way to explain it. 2:50:09.520 --> 2:50:13.200 Iran has launched cruise, missiles and drones at United States 2:50:13.240 --> 2:50:16.000 ships in the Strait of horn Moves. For a while there, 2:50:16.160 --> 2:50:19.400 Iranian news sources were claiming that they had it hit 2:50:20.160 --> 2:50:22.640 or turned around US vessels. 2:50:23.200 --> 2:50:24.520 This does not appear to be true. 2:50:24.640 --> 2:50:28.200 Saint Con certainly denied it, although some news networks did 2:50:28.320 --> 2:50:32.279 run with this, apparently based on what the Iranian government aligned. 2:50:32.040 --> 2:50:32.920 Media were claiming. 2:50:33.520 --> 2:50:36.800 It seems that two United States the stories did transit 2:50:36.840 --> 2:50:40.000 the straight and they did receive various types of incoming 2:50:40.080 --> 2:50:44.480 fire from small boats, from missiles, and from drones. Following that, 2:50:44.680 --> 2:50:48.280 a mask vessel sailed through the strait. The Alliance Fairfax 2:50:48.440 --> 2:50:51.360 is United States flagged vessel, and it received assistance from 2:50:51.400 --> 2:50:56.080 the US military, and then the motor Tanka Anthem of 2:50:56.240 --> 2:51:00.879 Crowley Maritime also sailed through. Trump has called this assistance 2:51:01.200 --> 2:51:06.160 quote Project Freedom truthing for the good of Iran, the 2:51:06.240 --> 2:51:08.800 Middle East, and the United States. We have told these 2:51:08.840 --> 2:51:11.880 countries that we will guide their ships safely out of 2:51:11.959 --> 2:51:15.199 these restricted waterways so that they can freely and ably 2:51:15.240 --> 2:51:18.240 get on with their business. Again, these are ships from 2:51:18.280 --> 2:51:20.520 areas of the world that are not in any way 2:51:20.600 --> 2:51:23.240 involved with that which is currently taking place in the 2:51:23.240 --> 2:51:26.360 Middle East. I have told my representative to inform them 2:51:26.600 --> 2:51:29.039 that we will use best effort to get their ships 2:51:29.080 --> 2:51:33.000 and crews safely out straight. Exactly what this meant was 2:51:33.080 --> 2:51:37.040 unclear when the President first truthed it, but what it 2:51:37.240 --> 2:51:40.199 seems what I've seen reported now is that the United 2:51:40.240 --> 2:51:44.400 States a provides them on safe routes and then provided 2:51:44.760 --> 2:51:47.680 in at least two cases security detachment to go on 2:51:47.840 --> 2:51:52.280 board the ships. Despite this, the UK MTO still has 2:51:52.360 --> 2:51:55.359 the reports of attacks, and on Tuesday night it reported 2:51:55.480 --> 2:51:58.680 that one vessel had been hit, and so it does 2:51:58.760 --> 2:52:02.840 not seem that there's been like a universal ability to 2:52:03.200 --> 2:52:05.720 allow vessels to move through the Strait. The United States 2:52:05.760 --> 2:52:08.560 also claims to have sunk seven small Iranian vessels in 2:52:08.600 --> 2:52:12.480 the strate Let's hear from Marca Rubio where he's explaining 2:52:12.480 --> 2:52:15.240 a little bit about why the US is doing. 2:52:15.080 --> 2:52:17.200 This, and we're going to do it as a favor 2:52:17.280 --> 2:52:17.720 to the world. 2:52:17.840 --> 2:52:20.920 Understand this, This is a favor to the world because 2:52:20.959 --> 2:52:23.080 it's their ships that are stranded, it's their fuel supplies 2:52:23.080 --> 2:52:25.320 that are stranded. By the way, it's their humanitarian there's 2:52:25.400 --> 2:52:28.240 humanitarian aid destined for different countries in the world that 2:52:28.280 --> 2:52:32.080 stranded in the Persian Gulf right now. It's the fertilizer 2:52:32.320 --> 2:52:34.359 that they need for their food and crops that stranded 2:52:34.400 --> 2:52:35.680 in the person not our fertilizer. 2:52:35.720 --> 2:52:36.440 Their fertilizer. 2:52:36.720 --> 2:52:38.600 So we want to be helpful, and that's why the 2:52:38.640 --> 2:52:40.959 presidents stepped forward because we're the only ones that can. Frankly, 2:52:40.959 --> 2:52:41.879 we're the only ones that can. 2:52:43.200 --> 2:52:45.640 So the United States there wanting to be helpful help 2:52:45.680 --> 2:52:49.920 the world with their humanitarian aid. On Tuesday, the President 2:52:50.040 --> 2:52:53.920 then truth based on the request of Pakistan and other countries. 2:52:53.920 --> 2:52:56.840 It's a tremendous military success that we have had during 2:52:56.920 --> 2:52:59.880 the campaign against the country of the run, and additionally 2:53:00.200 --> 2:53:02.600 the fact that great progress has been made toward a 2:53:02.640 --> 2:53:05.720 complete and final agreement with representatives of Iran. We have 2:53:05.840 --> 2:53:08.480 mutually agreed that while the blockade will remain in place 2:53:08.720 --> 2:53:11.760 and will remain in full force and effect Project Freedom. 2:53:12.120 --> 2:53:14.720 The movement of ships with straightforward moves will be paused 2:53:14.720 --> 2:53:17.240 for a short period of time to see whether or 2:53:17.320 --> 2:53:20.680 not the agreement can be finalized and signed. So that 2:53:20.879 --> 2:53:24.200 was the twenty four hour duration of Project Freedom Rest 2:53:24.280 --> 2:53:27.880 in Peace. Then this morning, the President truth to quote, 2:53:28.040 --> 2:53:30.760 assuming Iran agrees to give what has been agreed to, 2:53:31.160 --> 2:53:34.720 which is perhaps a big assumption, the already legendary epic 2:53:34.840 --> 2:53:37.320 fury will be at an end. If they don't agree, 2:53:37.640 --> 2:53:40.560 the bombing starts, and it will be, sadly, at a 2:53:40.680 --> 2:53:43.760 much higher level and intensity than it was before. 2:53:43.560 --> 2:53:44.760 President Jerald J. Trump. 2:53:45.760 --> 2:53:49.200 The parties, according to Axios, not an outlet known for 2:53:49.240 --> 2:53:52.920 its accurate reporting, appear to be closing in on a 2:53:53.000 --> 2:53:57.120 fourteen point deal. The reporting suggests that Iran has committed 2:53:57.120 --> 2:54:03.040 to a moratorium of fifteen to twenty years on uranium enrichment. 2:54:03.400 --> 2:54:07.560 The United States would then lift sanctions and release frozen 2:54:07.560 --> 2:54:11.760 Iranian funds, which is a massive concession, and both sides 2:54:11.760 --> 2:54:15.520 would lift restrictions on passage through the straight andform moves. However, 2:54:16.400 --> 2:54:19.960 hours after this was reported, a United States aircraft shut 2:54:20.000 --> 2:54:23.080 the rudder out of an Iranian motor tanker called the Hasna. 2:54:23.800 --> 2:54:26.080 They say they warned the ship which was headed towards 2:54:26.120 --> 2:54:29.320 Iranian ports. It was empty at the time it was 2:54:29.360 --> 2:54:33.000 heading towards Iranian ports. Right then we saw reporting from 2:54:33.000 --> 2:54:36.840 algia's zero reporter Ali Hashem that instructions have been sent 2:54:36.920 --> 2:54:40.879 to boats crossing the street. These instructions include quote priority 2:54:40.920 --> 2:54:44.720 of payment in Iran's national currency, issuance of guarantees in 2:54:44.800 --> 2:54:48.840 Iranian banks. Three of a country caused damage to Iran 2:54:48.920 --> 2:54:51.480 in the recent war, it must first pay the damages 2:54:51.560 --> 2:54:55.360 before obtaining a passage permit. Countries that have sanctioned Iran 2:54:55.480 --> 2:54:58.440 or blocked Around's money and not allowed passage for the 2:54:58.560 --> 2:55:01.400 correct title Persian gol must have written in all documents. 2:55:02.240 --> 2:55:04.920 Five non compliance with the above result and seizure and 2:55:05.040 --> 2:55:06.959 a fine of twenty percent of the cargo value. 2:55:07.920 --> 2:55:10.080 So it is chaos in. 2:55:10.520 --> 2:55:12.800 The strait of horror moves right like we have at 2:55:12.840 --> 2:55:16.320 once Trump saying the us WL eschortship through and then 2:55:16.400 --> 2:55:20.400 pausing the escorting of ship through, and then the Iranians 2:55:20.440 --> 2:55:23.360 shooting at a commercial ship, and then the United States 2:55:23.400 --> 2:55:25.920 shooting at an Iranian ship. The Iranians asking for money 2:55:26.000 --> 2:55:30.240 this time not in cryptocurrency and the United States saying 2:55:30.560 --> 2:55:33.360 that we are about to reach a peace agreement. This 2:55:33.560 --> 2:55:37.560 of course provides a lot of certainty, which markets love, 2:55:37.879 --> 2:55:39.920 and I'm sure this will result in the gas price 2:55:40.040 --> 2:55:44.800 not being nearly seven dollars a gallon here pretty soon. 2:55:45.600 --> 2:55:49.800 I also want to briefly talk about suicide dolphins. In 2:55:49.920 --> 2:55:55.120 a press conference, Iranian suicide dolphins were raised. 2:55:55.680 --> 2:55:57.240 Here's the question being asked. 2:55:57.400 --> 2:56:01.359 Can you kind of clarify these reports of kamakazi dolphins 2:56:01.360 --> 2:56:02.160 that we've heard about. 2:56:03.080 --> 2:56:06.080 I haven't heard the kamakazi dolphins thing. It's like sharks 2:56:06.120 --> 2:56:11.640 with laser beams. And then if you could play heg 2:56:11.720 --> 2:56:13.440 sass response as well, and. 2:56:13.480 --> 2:56:16.240 I can't confirm or deny whether we have kamakazi dolphins, 2:56:16.959 --> 2:56:18.119 but I can confirm they don't. 2:56:18.959 --> 2:56:22.320 Ultimately, well, it's good, we're ultimate on that. 2:56:22.560 --> 2:56:26.320 Yeah, so heccess pretty definity of Ryan having kamakazi dolphins. 2:56:26.760 --> 2:56:28.920 It did seem kind of where the people reporting on 2:56:28.959 --> 2:56:31.440 this one ware the United States has had a marine mammal. 2:56:32.600 --> 2:56:35.240 Yeah yeah, yeah, like you can see them in San Diego. Yeah, 2:56:35.600 --> 2:56:38.000 they are not, to my knowledge, like used in a 2:56:38.080 --> 2:56:40.680 kamikazi capacity, mainly. 2:56:40.520 --> 2:56:42.320 Because it's just chea but to do that with drones. 2:56:42.400 --> 2:56:45.360 The US military did briefly experiment with bats, which turned 2:56:45.400 --> 2:56:47.520 out to be a terrible idea because the bats which 2:56:47.800 --> 2:56:51.080 just fly back to you the boomerang man, this this, 2:56:51.240 --> 2:56:53.080 this nearly wiped out a huge portion of you as 2:56:53.080 --> 2:56:55.000 such a command in that. Yeah, great stuff. 2:56:55.560 --> 2:56:56.920 Yeah it doesn't. 2:56:56.959 --> 2:56:59.080 I mean, I'm pretty sure that Ryan doesn't have suicide 2:56:59.120 --> 2:57:03.840 dolphins either. People are asking that again, it is just. 2:57:04.040 --> 2:57:06.520 Cheaper, unliving dolphins, Dolph. 2:57:06.760 --> 2:57:09.880 Yeah, sure, one way. Dolphins how we refer to them 2:57:09.920 --> 2:57:11.959 if they were munitions, But it just doesn't. 2:57:12.560 --> 2:57:15.120 Isn't a suicide dolphin if you're pressing the buttons though, Like, 2:57:15.160 --> 2:57:16.520 are you just blowing up a dolphin? 2:57:17.120 --> 2:57:18.880 No, it's not. It's a murdered dolphin. 2:57:19.120 --> 2:57:21.119 It's really it's really unfair to the dolphins. 2:57:21.120 --> 2:57:24.200 It's not a dolphin. It hasn't made that commitment. It's 2:57:24.320 --> 2:57:25.000 just a dolphin. 2:57:25.160 --> 2:57:26.600 It's a homicide dolphin. 2:57:27.320 --> 2:57:29.760 I can't believe that those reporters would mess up such 2:57:29.800 --> 2:57:30.880 a basic fact. 2:57:31.879 --> 2:57:34.440 Yeah, well yeah, yeah. The people on the suicide dolphin 2:57:34.720 --> 2:57:37.560 really need to get back to journalism. One O one shut, 2:57:39.000 --> 2:57:42.200 all right, we're talking about the Ocean. Marco Rubio has 2:57:42.280 --> 2:57:45.440 visited South coom and Post for a photo with General 2:57:45.480 --> 2:57:48.080 Francis Eldonovan in front of what is very obviously a 2:57:48.160 --> 2:57:49.240 large map of Cuba. 2:57:49.400 --> 2:57:51.200 Hell yeah, I think what you meant to say is 2:57:51.280 --> 2:57:56.320 d J Mark Rubio. But continue, Yeah, I said. The 2:57:57.080 --> 2:58:01.520 map is titled Cuba Reference Map. That's not good. 2:58:01.959 --> 2:58:05.480 Yeah, in terms of like a subtle signaling, that's not good. 2:58:05.760 --> 2:58:09.040 Ribo also claimed to a press conference the Operation Epic 2:58:09.120 --> 2:58:09.840 Fury was over. 2:58:10.200 --> 2:58:14.199 The Operation Epic Fury is concluded. We achieve the objectives 2:58:14.240 --> 2:58:17.240 of that operation. I'm not going to you know, we're 2:58:17.320 --> 2:58:20.880 not cheering for an additional situation to occur. We would 2:58:20.920 --> 2:58:23.480 prefer the path of peace. What the President would prefer 2:58:23.920 --> 2:58:25.720 is a deal. He would prefer to sit down, work 2:58:25.760 --> 2:58:28.600 out a memorandum of understanding for future negotiations that touches 2:58:28.640 --> 2:58:30.320 on all the key topics that have to be addressed. 2:58:30.520 --> 2:58:32.240 A full opening of the straits so the world can 2:58:32.280 --> 2:58:34.240 get back to normal. That he and he preferred to 2:58:34.280 --> 2:58:36.360 that being negotiated through the route that Steve and Jarrett 2:58:36.360 --> 2:58:38.080 have been working and that all of us have been supporting. 2:58:38.680 --> 2:58:41.040 That's the route he prefers. That is so far not 2:58:41.160 --> 2:58:42.400 the route that Iron has chosen. 2:58:42.680 --> 2:58:44.600 And so the result has been that the United States 2:58:44.640 --> 2:58:46.240 has to do something about the fact that we're the 2:58:46.320 --> 2:58:48.200 only nation on earth that can do anything to open 2:58:48.320 --> 2:58:50.920 up a lane within the Straits of Hormuz to get 2:58:51.000 --> 2:58:53.200 product and to rescue these people that are trapped in there. 2:58:53.480 --> 2:58:54.760 And that's what we're undergoing now. 2:58:55.600 --> 2:58:58.080 So let's see the end of operation of Epic Fury 2:58:58.360 --> 2:59:02.280 and the beginning of the United Dates doing something to 2:59:02.400 --> 2:59:04.320 open up a lane in the straight up hoole moods. 2:59:04.760 --> 2:59:07.959 Great operation unclear. 2:59:09.760 --> 2:59:13.320 The goals of which are unclear the but apparently the 2:59:13.400 --> 2:59:14.439 first one succeeded. 2:59:14.959 --> 2:59:18.560 So congrats to all the Epic Fury people listening. 2:59:19.080 --> 2:59:23.640 Operation is going great. Things are really good. Uh, and 2:59:23.800 --> 2:59:26.160 we're we're just minutes away from figuring out what we're 2:59:26.200 --> 2:59:26.720 doing next. 2:59:27.240 --> 2:59:30.199 Really thrilled for winby invade Cuba. And it's like aporation 2:59:30.400 --> 2:59:31.560 bacon awesome sauce. 2:59:31.920 --> 2:59:36.880 Yeah, yeah, right, like epic bacon. Yeah. 2:59:37.560 --> 2:59:40.480 Before we close, there's a few a few shorter things 2:59:40.520 --> 2:59:44.640 that we should mention. That's first by turning to as 2:59:45.240 --> 2:59:49.640 Ramaswami has said, not the best state in the nation, Ohio. 2:59:49.920 --> 2:59:50.400 Which. 2:59:52.400 --> 2:59:53.840 Not the best state in the nation. 2:59:54.040 --> 2:59:58.400 Which for some reason but is the GOP and late 2:59:58.480 --> 3:00:00.680 for governor. I has some juice. He has the. 3:00:00.959 --> 3:00:04.600 Connections to Ohio where he's lived for how long Garrison, sure, 3:00:04.720 --> 3:00:06.280 just long enough to be on the ballot, like a 3:00:06.360 --> 3:00:08.040 few days we could two. 3:00:08.240 --> 3:00:12.160 Yeah, it's a good state. I can't say it's the 3:00:12.280 --> 3:00:19.760 best state. Incredible stuff, high praise, high accurate praise. We 3:00:19.840 --> 3:00:23.359 will be following this because if Vivek loses to the Democrat, 3:00:23.640 --> 3:00:28.119 that would be an interesting indicator not just of support 3:00:28.240 --> 3:00:31.199 for Trump and Mega, but also how annoying the vechro 3:00:31.320 --> 3:00:34.480 Oswami is. But Robert, there's someone that you would like 3:00:34.520 --> 3:00:36.280 to briefly mention as well. 3:00:37.240 --> 3:00:37.440 Yes. 3:00:37.800 --> 3:00:42.600 So, in addition to Vivek doing so well last night, 3:00:42.840 --> 3:00:47.160 another candidate who did pretty well is Brian Poindexter. Brian 3:00:47.560 --> 3:00:52.040 is running for Well was running and won the Democratic 3:00:52.120 --> 3:00:56.760 primary for the Ohio seventh district seat, and he will 3:00:56.800 --> 3:01:01.120 be running against the Republican incumbent and that district, a 3:01:01.200 --> 3:01:06.120 guy named Max Miller, who initially ran for and won 3:01:06.240 --> 3:01:09.320 his way into Congress in twenty twenty two. He was 3:01:09.360 --> 3:01:14.360 a former aid of President Trump and a bit of 3:01:14.400 --> 3:01:17.040 a sleeve back. If I'm going to be honest with 3:01:17.160 --> 3:01:19.680 you if I'm going to talk about this guy. I mean, 3:01:19.959 --> 3:01:23.440 first off, he's like definitely a NEPO baby. His grandfather 3:01:23.640 --> 3:01:26.720 was Samuel H. Miller, who was the former coachair emeritus 3:01:26.840 --> 3:01:30.840 of Forest City Realty Trust, which was acquired in this 3:01:30.959 --> 3:01:33.400 big real estate deal in twenty eighteen for six point 3:01:33.440 --> 3:01:36.880 eight billion dollars. So he is like a kid who 3:01:37.000 --> 3:01:40.280 came from a family with a shitload of real estate 3:01:40.440 --> 3:01:43.360 money and wound up working in the Trump White House 3:01:43.920 --> 3:01:47.920 and then got into Congress, where he has a fourteen 3:01:48.000 --> 3:01:52.320 percent lifetime voting score from the AFLCIO. When he was 3:01:52.440 --> 3:01:55.600 initially running for Congress, and he was asked because I 3:01:55.720 --> 3:01:57.760 found a fun interview with him where he was asked 3:01:57.760 --> 3:02:00.720 to give like his elevator pitch, and I just have 3:02:00.840 --> 3:02:03.400 to read this was Max Miller's elevator pitch for why 3:02:03.480 --> 3:02:06.640 he should be in Congress. So with my background in 3:02:06.680 --> 3:02:08.800 the Marine Corps in the infantry and six years on 3:02:08.840 --> 3:02:11.240 the reserve side, and the work and working for Senator 3:02:11.320 --> 3:02:13.360 Rubio and my time in the White House, I've been 3:02:13.400 --> 3:02:16.119 in these meetings with the presidents and other cabinet secretaries, 3:02:16.280 --> 3:02:18.440 and the reason why I'm running for office is because 3:02:18.440 --> 3:02:20.280 of what I saw when I was there. We send 3:02:20.320 --> 3:02:22.680 people to Washington, d C. To represent our values, and 3:02:22.760 --> 3:02:25.119 for the most part what we see is regular Americans 3:02:25.160 --> 3:02:27.279 as they don't they're so out of touch with reality. 3:02:27.360 --> 3:02:29.320 And for the most part, these individuals only go there 3:02:29.360 --> 3:02:31.280 to befit their own way of life, and they lose 3:02:31.280 --> 3:02:33.160 sight of everyone that they were sent there to protect. 3:02:33.360 --> 3:02:35.280 And I saw that through throughout the four years that 3:02:35.360 --> 3:02:37.879 I was in Washington, d C. In the White House, 3:02:37.920 --> 3:02:39.120 and it was extremely eye open. 3:02:39.240 --> 3:02:42.240 And that's why I'm running to be the Republican representation. 3:02:42.879 --> 3:02:47.040 You are asked, okay, what's your elevator pitch? Why should 3:02:47.120 --> 3:02:51.720 you be in office? That's an amazingly incoherent bit of Babbel. 3:02:52.879 --> 3:02:54.560 So he was asked like, what do you think you're 3:02:54.600 --> 3:02:56.160 the right guy? And he was like, well, I've been 3:02:56.200 --> 3:02:58.520 in North Korea, I've been in Iraq bouncing between a 3:02:58.600 --> 3:03:01.240 La Sad and Arabil. I was in Fghanistan negotiating with 3:03:01.320 --> 3:03:04.200 foreign delegations on behalf of the president, and I've been 3:03:04.240 --> 3:03:06.360 in the pressure cooker. And again he was like a 3:03:06.440 --> 3:03:10.320 Trump ad like he's he's like followed around and meetings 3:03:10.360 --> 3:03:12.519 where more important people were making decisions. 3:03:12.920 --> 3:03:14.600 Like that was he was like a coffee boy. 3:03:14.720 --> 3:03:19.439 Yeah and no cooker again, walking around with the president 3:03:19.600 --> 3:03:22.920 not making any decisions. He was like a diet coke 3:03:23.040 --> 3:03:29.640 boy more than anything. Negotiations, yes, negotiation. This interview firing 3:03:29.680 --> 3:03:31.200 gets them to pin down and like what is the 3:03:31.320 --> 3:03:33.080 issue you most want to deal with? He's like, my 3:03:33.200 --> 3:03:36.520 top issue, hands down is inflation in the economy, and 3:03:36.800 --> 3:03:38.959 like he talks about how like there's seventy or sixty 3:03:39.000 --> 3:03:41.640 seven billion dollars worth a credit card debt that Americans 3:03:41.680 --> 3:03:44.240 are and that's his top issue. So what does he 3:03:44.320 --> 3:03:47.520 do once he's in power? First off, none of the 3:03:47.600 --> 3:03:50.440 bills that he co sponsored in his first year in 3:03:50.600 --> 3:03:53.039 Congress had anything to do all I made it through 3:03:53.080 --> 3:03:54.480 was like the first year and a half, But none 3:03:54.520 --> 3:03:57.920 of those had anything to do with credit card bills, inflation, 3:03:58.200 --> 3:04:01.040 or the economy. And the main bill that he is 3:04:01.200 --> 3:04:04.480 like can attach his name to that he co authored 3:04:05.080 --> 3:04:09.280 was the Full House Act and Unfair Taxation of Gambling losses. 3:04:09.920 --> 3:04:12.440 So not a great guy. 3:04:13.320 --> 3:04:15.920 So anyway, while when I'm while I'm going through this interview, 3:04:16.280 --> 3:04:18.760 there's a moment here where the interviewer's like, hey, so 3:04:18.920 --> 3:04:22.760 your girlfriend recently made some allegations against you. 3:04:26.360 --> 3:04:28.040 Do we see that one colling? So here's what. 3:04:28.160 --> 3:04:31.959 Here's what, Taylor Poplars, that's the journalist. Here says your 3:04:32.200 --> 3:04:34.600 ex girlfriend, Stephanie Grisham, who also worked in the Trump 3:04:34.600 --> 3:04:36.560 White House with you, she has a legen some pretty 3:04:36.560 --> 3:04:38.879 serious things related to you, that you've slapped her, pushed her, 3:04:38.959 --> 3:04:41.280 threw a dog toy at her, cheated on her. And 3:04:41.400 --> 3:04:42.360 I know you've denied all that. 3:04:42.520 --> 3:04:43.760 You fought a lossuit at one point. 3:04:44.000 --> 3:04:47.360 Do you still deny all that? His response was, to 3:04:47.480 --> 3:04:50.000 be clear, we're handling this in litigation. In her motion 3:04:50.080 --> 3:04:52.640 to dismiss was denied, so the case will be heard now. 3:04:52.680 --> 3:04:55.080 We're so, we've already won our first battle in that hurdle. 3:04:55.160 --> 3:04:58.080 And to be clear, she herself has never articulated the allegations. 3:04:58.200 --> 3:05:01.120 It was all hearsayd by second and third sources. Anyway, 3:05:01.800 --> 3:05:04.920 that's not the only scandalous guy has on his record. 3:05:05.040 --> 3:05:08.640 I just briefly looked into him, and I found not 3:05:08.800 --> 3:05:12.280 only those allegations from this former staffer, that he had 3:05:12.320 --> 3:05:14.760 become violent in the White House and that the president 3:05:15.000 --> 3:05:17.280 was aware of that and was like that's kind of 3:05:17.320 --> 3:05:20.160 fucked up, like the President on Malania where both saw 3:05:20.280 --> 3:05:22.720 him become violent and we're like, oh god, oh wow, 3:05:22.760 --> 3:05:25.320 that's kind of fucked up. Yeah, but didn't actually do 3:05:25.440 --> 3:05:28.040 anything like it's really messed up, Like the allegations here 3:05:28.080 --> 3:05:30.720 at least really messed up. That's not the only person 3:05:30.800 --> 3:05:33.720 who has made allegations against him. He in his like 3:05:33.879 --> 3:05:37.280 messy divorce, his ex wife has alleged that he has 3:05:37.360 --> 3:05:40.400 gotten violent with her. He has countered and said that 3:05:40.520 --> 3:05:44.800 she got violent with him, But then his representatives had 3:05:44.840 --> 3:05:48.440 to admit that their client fabricated testimony in court documents 3:05:48.800 --> 3:05:51.400 soon order to obtain a protection order against his ex wife. 3:05:51.760 --> 3:05:54.480 So this dude is a real piece of shit, Like 3:05:54.640 --> 3:05:59.440 Max Miller bona fide trash person. And currently he's up 3:05:59.480 --> 3:06:02.360 by about five points in this election in Ohio seven 3:06:02.520 --> 3:06:08.200 against Poindexter, So it's very unclear how are things gonna 3:06:08.280 --> 3:06:11.199 actually go. But I I just looking at how sleazy 3:06:11.280 --> 3:06:13.960 this guy is and how how soft his actual base 3:06:14.000 --> 3:06:16.840 of organic support seems to be. This is one where 3:06:16.840 --> 3:06:20.440 I kind of suspect maybe once you actually get a 3:06:20.600 --> 3:06:24.200 decent candidate, and Poindexter really seems to be like He's 3:06:24.240 --> 3:06:27.280 a guy who spent his pretty much his entire year 3:06:27.560 --> 3:06:31.480 as like a union metal worker and is a reasonably 3:06:31.560 --> 3:06:35.160 good campaigner. He's been a five term councilman in brook Park, Ohio. 3:06:35.280 --> 3:06:38.439 Like he's he's someone who like this isn't a dilettante 3:06:38.520 --> 3:06:40.480 in politics, but also has like a real life I 3:06:40.520 --> 3:06:42.840 don't know, I could see this being something that, like, 3:06:43.080 --> 3:06:46.480 maybe the Democrats are actually able to flip here if 3:06:46.520 --> 3:06:49.360 Poindexter proves to be as good at campaigning in like 3:06:49.440 --> 3:06:52.760 an open election as he was in the primary. I'm 3:06:52.879 --> 3:06:55.480 kind of bullish about him anyway. It's something to watch. 3:06:55.640 --> 3:06:59.879 Yeah, last big story. As part of the ongoing lawsuit 3:07:00.000 --> 3:07:04.760 Louisiana v. FDA, on May one, the Fifth Circuit Court 3:07:04.760 --> 3:07:08.279 of Appeals granted a temporary ban on the remote prescription 3:07:08.560 --> 3:07:13.760 and mailed delivery of the abortion pill mith pristone. Last October, 3:07:13.879 --> 3:07:17.000 Louisiana brought this case against the FDA for a Biden 3:07:17.120 --> 3:07:21.760 era regulation allowing telehealth prescription and mail order access to 3:07:21.879 --> 3:07:26.160 the drug, which Louisiana claimed was unsafe and facilitated illegal 3:07:26.280 --> 3:07:30.640 abortions in the state. A district court had previously agreed 3:07:30.720 --> 3:07:34.040 that Louisiana was likely to win its challenge, but it 3:07:34.160 --> 3:07:38.080 did not grant the state's requested stay on the regulation. 3:07:39.000 --> 3:07:41.160 In fact, the lower court put the entire case on 3:07:41.320 --> 3:07:46.560 hold because last year RFK Junior announced an FDA review 3:07:46.640 --> 3:07:51.040 of mith pristone and its quote unquote reported adverse effects, 3:07:51.959 --> 3:07:56.600 with RFKA Junior specifically mentioning in his announcement that quote 3:07:57.000 --> 3:08:01.280 the Biden administration removed with the pristone's in person dispensing 3:08:01.400 --> 3:08:06.560 rule without studying the safety risks. Despite the case being 3:08:06.600 --> 3:08:10.200 put on hold due to the FDA's review, Louisiana appealed 3:08:10.240 --> 3:08:13.240 the lower court's decision to decline a stay on mail 3:08:13.360 --> 3:08:16.840 order with the pristone, and last week the Fifth Circuit 3:08:17.240 --> 3:08:21.320 ruled in the state's favor, temporarily reinstating this in person 3:08:21.400 --> 3:08:25.600 dispensing requirement while the case continues. But then on May fourth, 3:08:25.800 --> 3:08:30.080 the Supreme Court restored remote prescription and mail order access 3:08:30.160 --> 3:08:32.520 to with a pristone by blocking the Fifth Circuit Court 3:08:32.520 --> 3:08:35.800 of Appeals ruling. But this stay by the Supreme Court 3:08:35.959 --> 3:08:40.000 is only in effect until Monday, May eleventh. Meanwhile, the 3:08:40.000 --> 3:08:43.000 Supreme Court will consider responses from both parties and then 3:08:43.080 --> 3:08:46.560 issue a subsequent ruling. The majority of abortions in the 3:08:46.640 --> 3:08:50.160 United States are now administered through abortion medication like with 3:08:50.280 --> 3:08:52.640 a pristone, and according to a study publish in twenty 3:08:52.640 --> 3:08:55.680 twenty five, to one quarter of abortions are now done 3:08:55.760 --> 3:08:59.920 through telehealth services, double the rate from before the overturning 3:09:00.200 --> 3:09:03.760 of Dobbs. Other Republican states like Texas and Missouri are 3:09:03.800 --> 3:09:07.200 also engaged in other efforts to restrict access to with 3:09:07.240 --> 3:09:12.840 the prostone nationwide. Yeah, we'll keep up on this as 3:09:12.879 --> 3:09:16.840 the Supreme Court issues more definitive ruling in the near future. 3:09:17.959 --> 3:09:21.199 The last thing I want to mention very ever so briefly, 3:09:22.000 --> 3:09:26.240 a big news in marx Land, biggest update in Marxism 3:09:26.400 --> 3:09:26.879 in a while. 3:09:27.200 --> 3:09:28.080 Oh boy, oh good. 3:09:28.160 --> 3:09:29.240 New Marxism just dract. 3:09:30.080 --> 3:09:33.040 On Monday, the Secret Service shot a forty five year 3:09:33.040 --> 3:09:36.200 old man from Texas named Michael Marx spelt the same way, 3:09:37.600 --> 3:09:43.480 who was allegedly concealed carrying a sig p P sixty five. 3:09:43.800 --> 3:09:47.119 P three sixty five, Okay, P three sixty. 3:09:46.840 --> 3:09:52.680 Five well between the White House and Washington Monument. Secret 3:09:52.720 --> 3:09:54.800 Service say they tried to approach the man after noticing 3:09:54.879 --> 3:09:57.800 the imprint of a gun. The man then fled and 3:09:57.879 --> 3:10:01.560 allegedly fired towards the agents, who were turned fire, wounding 3:10:01.720 --> 3:10:06.199 mister Marx. While in the ambulance, he allegedly said, quote, 3:10:06.320 --> 3:10:09.240 fuck the White House and kill me, kill me, kill 3:10:09.320 --> 3:10:13.240 me unquote, oh dear. A fifteen year old was also 3:10:13.320 --> 3:10:16.199 shot during this incident, and at first Secret Service claimed 3:10:16.240 --> 3:10:19.720 that the armed man shot the kid, but they later 3:10:19.959 --> 3:10:25.520 renegged that claim, though after Marx was charged, US attorney 3:10:26.240 --> 3:10:30.760 Janine Piro repeated this claim, saying that he quote shot 3:10:30.879 --> 3:10:33.680 an innocent bystander who was simply crossing the street with 3:10:33.760 --> 3:10:37.800 his family unquote. After the shooting, Chris McDonald, a Congressional 3:10:37.840 --> 3:10:41.120 affairs official with Secret Service, told Congress that there was 3:10:41.160 --> 3:10:43.880 no indication that the man was targeting anyone inside the 3:10:43.959 --> 3:10:48.640 Executive complex, writing quote President Trump was not in any danger, 3:10:49.320 --> 3:10:49.560 So we. 3:10:49.600 --> 3:10:52.280 Don't actually know what happened here. Was this just some 3:10:52.480 --> 3:10:55.960 weirdo concealed carrying us presumably. 3:10:55.520 --> 3:10:57.520 Illegally right illegally? Yes? 3:10:57.640 --> 3:11:02.960 Yeah, yeah, just because he's just does that? Or was 3:11:03.040 --> 3:11:04.840 he did he have something? Was he trying to commit? 3:11:04.959 --> 3:11:07.800 Doesn't it? That doesn't make much sense right now? 3:11:08.120 --> 3:11:11.840 Yeah, No, it's it's unclear what his intention was at 3:11:11.879 --> 3:11:14.160 this point. But then after being shot, by Secret Service. 3:11:14.240 --> 3:11:16.760 That's when he expressed, fuck the White House, kill me, 3:11:16.879 --> 3:11:19.880 kill me, kill me. But there's no indication he was 3:11:20.120 --> 3:11:25.240 targeting any elected official. Sure, but did allegedly shoot at 3:11:25.280 --> 3:11:28.680 Secret Service as they tried to approach and chase him. 3:11:28.760 --> 3:11:29.240 Interesting. 3:11:29.520 --> 3:11:35.480 Yeah, yeah, anyway, cool, I mean it's bad, but you know, 3:11:36.080 --> 3:11:41.080 yeah that that's it for us here and it could 3:11:41.080 --> 3:11:44.040 happen here. Yeah, we reported the news. 3:11:44.640 --> 3:11:46.680 Great, put a transcrol on your couch. 3:11:48.200 --> 3:11:51.440 If you want to send us an email specifically pretending 3:11:51.480 --> 3:11:53.440 to tits about news, you can do so. 3:11:54.120 --> 3:11:58.240 Cool Zone tips at proton on me. 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