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Speaker 2: Oh, Millie? Bad again?

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Speaker 1: Why what's going on now?

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Speaker 2: I'm embarrassed about what. I lost my groove? Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: lost it and I don't know where I put it.

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Speaker 1: I can see it in your face.

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Speaker 2: I actually this is true, not that losing my groove

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Speaker 2: isn't true. But I lost my car keys when I

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Speaker 2: in the spring. But that was really distressing.

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Speaker 1: Oh boy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I lost my groove, which is more distressing.

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Speaker 2: I don't got it anymore.

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Speaker 1: You know what I always say, fold keys groove before.

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Speaker 2: You keys groove. You know it's jim tan groove. You

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Speaker 2: know that's that's how I Did you ever watch your A?

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Speaker 2: Is he sure? Jim tann Laundry?

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Speaker 1: No? Unfortunately I did not see the h the documentary

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Speaker 2: The docuseries about Italian Americans. But yeah, it's uh, I

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Speaker 2: don't know. Maybe it's the winter months, we're post holiday stuff.

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Speaker 2: My birthday was last week and oh really, how was it?

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Speaker 2: It was? Yeah? I mean depressing. I'm getting older and

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Speaker 2: my groove is gone and so but yeah, that's sort

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Speaker 2: of the state of things. How about you.

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Speaker 1: I have lost my groove from time to time.

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Speaker 2: Oh, but I've got it back.

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Speaker 1: Well, it just comes and goes, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: of some kind, which at this time of the year.

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Speaker 1: You know, last last episode, we did Bleak Week, and

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Speaker 1: in this episode we were like thinking, Oh, let's do

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Speaker 1: something that's a little bit more I don't know, vacation

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Speaker 1: I've really been thinking about, to be honest, is about

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Speaker 1: going on vacation. Did I tell you that I'm going

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Speaker 2: You did not tell me.

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Speaker 1: Yes, listen, I don't look at But I've been on

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Speaker 1: several cruises in my life, and is that true? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, I used to work cruises

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Speaker 1: used to work cruises. The TCM classic cruises in fact,

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Speaker 1: and I've been on a couple, just like with my

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Speaker 1: know a lot of people ship on it, and I

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Speaker 1: completely understand why. However, it is a perfect little vacation

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Speaker 1: if you just don't want to make decisions for yourself.

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Speaker 2: And I mean that sounds nice. Yeah, I get the appeal.

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Speaker 2: I also get the appeal of like eating so much

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't even have to get off the boat,

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Speaker 1: you know, like if they really want to, you can

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Speaker 1: warmer weather and just being out of this grooveless january.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I cannot tell you how much snow is in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't I can't imagine I like being like,

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Speaker 2: Well, I did just get back from a little trip

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Speaker 1: And yet and you remain grooveless in Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: But I'm hoping that this episode brings us back. I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm very very curious to talk to you about

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Speaker 1: this movie because we're good. We're doing a movie called

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Speaker 1: How Stella Got Her Groove Back from nineteen ninety eight,

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Speaker 1: and we decided that we wanted to do this movie

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Speaker 2: It's like a shorthand and it becomes almost like a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, even if you've never seen even if you've never

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Speaker 1: That's the thing is that, like, you've never seen the movie.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we'll get into this, but I was surprised

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Speaker 2: saw this, Milly, but Deadline just reported it announced his

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Speaker 1: Please stay tuned. I think we're gonna we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: I think we're gonna change things up for us. You're

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Speaker 1: This is a podcast for those who are in a

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Speaker 1: relationship with movies. My name is Millie to Cherico.

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Speaker 2: My name is Casey O'Brien, and that is right.

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Speaker 1: We are gonna be talking about a movie called How

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Speaker 1: Stella Got Her Groove Back from nineteen ninety eight Starry

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Speaker 1: a couple things about that number one Angela Bassett. This

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, if they don't address the fact

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Speaker 2: Pilot I did. I mean I made this note, but

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Speaker 2: almost like makes the believability. It like almost takes me

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Speaker 1: In fact, you know, Casey does this kind of informational packet.

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Speaker 1: Anything that dates your movie more than a cameo by

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Speaker 1: I think my friends were obviously wanting to watch it

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Speaker 1: That's it. That's all. It slashed This week was Scream three.

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Speaker 2: So I watched a movie. I only watched one movie,

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Speaker 2: It's called Colony. It's from twenty thirteen. It stars Lawrence Fishburne,

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Speaker 2: It was just fine. I don't know why I wanted to.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, because you lost your fucking keys

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Speaker 2: Here, Yeah, he would save me. He would find my keys. Infuriating.

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Speaker 2: I'm so mad I lost my keys. It's so i'd

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Speaker 1: This movie looks I don't even know what to tell you.

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Speaker 2: You know, how on you know, when if you're on

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Speaker 1: You are the only person that's curious about that kind

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Speaker 2: I want to know more.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's some bubble. I appreciate that. So good for you.

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Speaker 1: Well? I think the biggest one is probably the biggest

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Speaker 1: time was so fascinating to me because I was like,

436
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:51,959
Speaker 1: certainly people are talking about this film, but who the

437
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: fuck has seen this film? Like this is not and

438
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that Gaslight nineteen forty four because there

439
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: was an early version in nineteen forties version with Anton Wahlbrook,

440
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: which is less popular. You know, I would say the

441
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: Ingrid Bergmann version, that Charles Boyer version, the nineteen forty

442
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: four version is not. I would to say, it's like

443
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 1: this hugely, it's so cast a blank, it's a wizard

444
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 1: of Oz. It's just you know, like a fucking classic

445
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 1: film that was you know, made by famous classic actors

446
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 1: and directors. Right. Yeah, So the idea that it became

447
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: this thing that people just kept saying, it's like on TikTok,

448
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 1: it's like being used by young people. It's kind of

449
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 1: part of this whole like pop psychology, pop therapy type

450
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: of language right that we're all using now.

451
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 2: I feel like, especially in conversation around reality television, I've

452
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 2: noticed it really off too.

453
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 1: Right because you know, there is an actual gas light,

454
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: which is what exactly what it is. It is a

455
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: light that was powered by gas. It was used you know,

456
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 1: primarily in the Victorian era, like and that was an

457
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 1: item that existed. But then the actual movie is more

458
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: about the term which is basically like a guy who

459
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 1: makes a woman think that she's going crazy when she's

460
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: not right, and so that becomes the term now gaslighting

461
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: that we have, which is that basically it's when somebody

462
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 1: is making you feel like you're going insane and you're not,

463
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 1: or you know, convincing you that like you have you know,

464
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: irrational insane thoughts about something.

465
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 2: Yes. And it's interesting because like the conversation around gas lighting,

466
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 2: I feel like people think of it as like a

467
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 2: psychological term now, where it's like, well, that's not actually

468
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 2: that is gas lighting and that is not gas lighting.

469
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 2: Let's be careful when we throw around the term gas lighting.

470
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 2: But it's like this is like a silly reference to

471
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 2: a movie, so we don't actually have to be that careful,

472
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 2: you know.

473
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean like is it in the DSM five

474
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: or whatever or at this point I don't know, but

475
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 1: it's like, but I just think that in terms of

476
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 1: it coming from a movie, that's got to be the

477
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: best example modern day.

478
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

479
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 1: But then there's also things like we were kind of

480
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: spitballing ideas about this, like Weekend at Bernie's, right, which

481
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: it's so funny. I think the best part about perhaps

482
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: How Stella Got her Groove back, but also Weekend at

483
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: Bernie's is using the film title as a verb yes,

484
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 1: which I think is hilarious, right, being like, oh, he

485
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 1: weakened at Bernie's dym. Yeah, He's basically like carrying around

486
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 1: a dead guy on vacation.

487
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's like your friend gets it's so drunk that

488
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 2: you have to just kind of sling them over your

489
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 2: shoulder and go about your the rest of the party

490
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 2: or whatever, and it's like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

491
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: He weakened at Berni Easton. That is a like you know,

492
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 1: oh she Yeah, it was totally a like she's Stella,

493
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 1: How Stella got her groove backed? You know, it's like

494
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: oh okay, which.

495
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: I almost feel like how Stella Got Her Groove Back

496
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 2: has been supplanted a little bit by Eat Pray Love.

497
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 2: I feel like now people say Eat Pray Love for

498
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 2: a very similar type of experience where a woman goes

499
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 2: to someplace exotic to kind of find herself and in

500
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 2: like possibly with romantic implications.

501
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: Well I would I would add to that that Eat

502
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: Prey Love is for white people. It's like one, white

503
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: women want to find a spiritual reckoning with themselves while

504
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: accidentally falling in love. Whereas I feel like how Stella

505
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: Got Her Groove act is more primal. I feel like

506
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: that's like I work too hard and I just want

507
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: to fuck, whereas you play love is like, well, I

508
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: also want to find like providence in another country.

509
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 2: Yes, you know that's a good distinction.

510
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: But you know, I sort of talked about this on

511
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: I saw what you did when we did an episode

512
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: about Deliverance, the movie Deliverance from nineteen seventy two. And

513
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think that people are actually using

514
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: the term deliverance. But I also think that referential movies

515
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: can also be you know, scenes and films that people remember.

516
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: And I think that people have used the and I

517
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: talk about this a lot on that episode, so like,

518
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: you know, go listen to it. People have used like

519
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: the ban show noise as a way of striking fear

520
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: of the unknown and like rural environments.

521
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you'll just go.

522
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: Exactly or like paddle faster or whatever. Like it's that

523
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: thing of like people taking adopting scenes or titles or

524
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: you know tropes or you know, plots of films and

525
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: using it in kind of everyday language, which I think

526
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: is really interesting and some movies do it better than

527
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: others obviously, But yeah, do you have any examples that,

528
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: like besides Eat, Pray Love.

529
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I one that like maybe this is just

530
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 2: my friend group, but we have we always are like

531
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 2: you know, when you're in LA, sometimes you find yourself

532
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 2: in kind of like weird, hoity toity Hollywood situations that

533
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 2: you're not supposed to be in, and we would always

534
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 2: be like, this is a real eyes wide shut situation. Yeah,

535
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 2: that was like kind of like a shorthand for that

536
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 2: type of thing, you know, finding yourself in like all

537
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 2: of a sudden you're like out of your depth. Uh,

538
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 2: and it's kind of frightening. But with like rich elite people,

539
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 2: oh for sure. I feel like Misery is another one

540
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 2: that comes up in conversation, just being like if someone's

541
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 2: like obsessed with you and you're alone with them, or

542
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 2: like if a friend is like alone with someone that's

543
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 2: obsessed with them, you're worried they're going to be in

544
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: like a misery situation.

545
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: I don't find that. I know, it doesn't happen to

546
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: me very often, So I don't know what you're talking about.

547
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: Case, Okay, you don't think people are obsessed with you?

548
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:27,239
Speaker 2: Absolutely not.

549
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm ever in a room with anybody

550
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: that's obsessed with me.

551
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 2: Ever, maybe this is more of like a college situation

552
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 2: when I had to do with like crushes.

553
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, people, that's you basically, that's you telling on yourself. Yeah,

554
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, the funny thing about this entire thing

555
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: we're talking about is that my entire life is movies.

556
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: I reference shit constantly and don't even realize it. Yeah,

557
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: to the point where sometimes I reference a movie and

558
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: my friends don't even know what the fuck I'm talking about,

559
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, sorry, I'm the only one that's

560
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: seen that movie, right, Like, and I this. I just

561
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: think that it is literally a second language to me,

562
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: to talk in movieiness.

563
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is.

564
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: Why a movie like How Sellar Got Our Groove Back

565
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: is really fun to talk about because again, like it is,

566
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: it is a film. It will talk about it as

567
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,479
Speaker 1: a film, for sure, but then just the idea that

568
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: it's kind of become you know, the term for something, yeah,

569
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: without and it can be referenced without people even having

570
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: to see it, I think is really cool in a way.

571
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think the Shining is also one like

572
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 2: people being isolated, like going insane. I feel like that

573
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 2: gets referenced sort of in that.

574
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh I say that constantly, like especially these days,

575
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh yeah, it's totally the fucking shining in here.

576
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: I'm all by myself, I've talked to nobody in a week,

577
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: you know.

578
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

579
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 2: And I feel like people usually refer to that in

580
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: the Shining as like all work and no play makes

581
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: Johnny a dull boy. Like they say that more than

582
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 2: like the but it is like kind of the same thing. Yep,

583
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 2: do you want to get into the movie?

584
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 3: Fuck?

585
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go, let's do it. Okay. This is a

586
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 2: romantic comedy drama from nineteen ninety eight. It's directed by

587
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: Kevin Rodney. Sullivan. It's written by Terry McMillan, who wrote

588
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: the book that this is based on Ann Ronald bass

589
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 2: some themes on here. I said, tadpoling, it's a little

590
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: bit of a theme.

591
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: What the hell is I wrote this in all caps

592
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: or no on bold. What the hell is tadpoling?

593
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 2: You've never heard of tadpole?

594
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: No, what the fuck is that?

595
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 2: Tadpole? You've never heard of tadpole? It's when a young

596
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 2: man goes out with an older woman. God, no, I

597
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: have not.

598
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 5: That is defensive. I didn't come up with it. Oh God,

599
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 5: But then think about a tad that's gross, Kevin, We've

600
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 5: never heard that.

601
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 2: There's a movie called tadpole, All coming together tadpole.

602
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, who's in that movie?

603
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 2: Sigourney Weaver?

604
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: God, why did they come up with such gross terms

605
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: for fucking like who gives a shit? Like? Oh, cougar

606
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: a mill a tadpolar meah blah blah, like kid me

607
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: a fucking break.

608
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 2: I don't know what to tell you, but that's a

609
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 2: theme of the movie. You could say, Hey, it is

610
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 2: maturity aging. Standout actors, there's this. There's a quite a

611
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 2: cast Shock Angela Bassett, Ted Diggs, Regina King, Whoopy Goldberg?

612
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 4: Uh?

613
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 2: Can that plays her son?

614
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: Who I love? Who is this kid?

615
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 2: Quincy? What is that guy? I don't I didn't recognize him.

616
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 1: Michael J. Pagan Man. He was a good little actor.

617
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 3: I thought, yeah, he was great.

618
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 2: He was great. I also really I liked seeing Glenn

619
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 2: turn He didn't really have a big part, but I

620
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 2: liked the actor Glenn Turman, Yeah, who plays Winston's father.

621
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 2: But really, do you have a personal connection to this

622
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 2: movie outside of having seen it before?

623
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: Well, this is something that I kind of want to

624
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 1: talk to you about because I realized you have written

625
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: I have zero connection to this movie, and I'm curious

626
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: because I feel like there is there are certain movies

627
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: in the black movie Cannon that I remember, not as

628
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: a black person obviously, but as somebody who grew up

629
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: around black people and around black culture specifically, like in

630
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: my life. Right. But then I remember it came on

631
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: because this came out like what ninety eight, So I

632
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: was already like out of the house. I was in college,

633
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: and I remember I saw this on I want to

634
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: say it was during a holiday when I was like

635
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: at my parents' house and they, you know, like on

636
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: HBO or Showtime or something like that, and I remember

637
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: thinking it was really adult, Like I was like, Oh,

638
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: this is like for people in their forties. This has

639
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: nothing to do with me. I'm my shithead phase. I'm,

640
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: you know, in my early twenties, and what do I

641
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 1: know about having a full time job in finance and

642
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 1: then being so stressed out that I have to go

643
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: to Jamaica?

644
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 2: Right.

645
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: But I just remember being kind of intrigued by that

646
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: because I was always like wanting to know what life

647
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: would be like when I was forty and I had

648
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: a job, you know, So there was that little bit

649
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: of a fascination with it, even though it felt like

650
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: I didn't know anything about that life right.

651
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 2: Yes.

652
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: At the same time, though, I don't know if you

653
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: remember this, but there was after this movie came out,

654
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: or maybe a round when this movie came out, there

655
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: were so many advertisements on TV for Jamaican trips and

656
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 1: for resorts in the Caribbean. I don't know if you

657
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: remember this. There was this one called Hedonism.

658
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 2: Well I've heard of hedonism.

659
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: Yes, So there was this resort called Hedonism, And I

660
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: want to say there was like a Hedonism two and

661
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: a Hedonism three, Like there are multiple resorts, but it

662
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: basically would advertise on television for like I don't know,

663
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: like adults, and they were adult only resorts in the

664
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 1: Caribbean where you couldn't bring kids, and they were like

665
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 1: a little sexy that it.

666
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 2: Was basically my I always thought of those as like

667
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 2: these are like orgy resorts down to me.

668
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: Or she resports. But do you know what I'm saying,

669
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: What I'm getting at is that like I was like

670
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: fascinated by that kind of stuff because it was like

671
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: I was in I was not of the age where

672
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: that would have appealed to me. Yeah at that time

673
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: in ninety eight. So in total, I was like, Okay,

674
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: this movie was something big going on with this movie,

675
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: not just from the stars, but also just it's kind

676
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: of like you know the sexy movie that came out

677
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: that year that was for adults, and you know, I

678
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: just was sort of fascinated by it from afar, but

679
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: then also as part of this kind of movie about

680
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: black experiences, which doesn't happen as much. I mean, I

681
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: honestly have not seen by that point, had not seen

682
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: a movie I don't think about a black woman who

683
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: goes on vacation and finds romance. I mean, there's so

684
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: many white movies that have I mean, Roman Holiday, I

685
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: mean you want to go back further than that. It's like,

686
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: how many times has Katherine Hepburn gone to Italy to

687
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 1: find romance? You know or whatever. But it's like, okay,

688
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: so now we have something that's not necessarily the white

689
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: experience and it is for other people, and I just

690
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: find that fascinating and interesting.

691
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, absolutely, Like I said, I don't really have

692
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 2: any connection to this movie because when it came out,

693
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 2: it was just it felt like very adult, contemporary type

694
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 2: of movie. I mean, this is kind of like the

695
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 2: Soft Rock. It's just it feels like a Kenny g

696
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 2: saxophone solo or something. It just feels like So it

697
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 2: was so not of interest to me when I was

698
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 2: like a teenager, you know, of course, And I'm not

699
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 2: really even speaking to like the black experience of it.

700
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 2: I just mean it's like a very adult movie about

701
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 2: adults with complicated adult problems, and that was something I

702
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 2: was not interested in as a young kid. And now

703
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 2: watching it, I'm very interested in that. And I found

704
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: it very refreshing seeing a movie like this because we

705
00:39:54,000 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 2: don't get mainstream movies like this that are you. No,

706
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 2: it's not tackling super difficult topics, you know, it's not

707
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 2: wrangling with huge events, but it's about the problems we

708
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 2: have as aging adults. And I found that, like, yeah,

709
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 2: really refreshing and entertaining. And I was touched by a

710
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 2: lot of this movie watching it. I'm going to get

711
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 2: into the synopsis here. Oh okay, okay, okay. Stella Stella Pain.

712
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 2: The names in this movie are kind of funny. Stella Pain,

713
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 2: played by Angela Bassett, is a four year old, wealthy,

714
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: successful stockbroker in San Francisco. She's also a single parent

715
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 2: to her son, Quincy, who's eleven now. Quincy, at the

716
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 2: beginning of the movie is going away for two weeks

717
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 2: to stay with his father, and Stella all of a

718
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 2: sudden has a lot of free time on her hands,

719
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: and her son, Quincy says to her when he's leaving, Mom,

720
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 2: try to have some fun. And she sees an ad

721
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 2: on TV for like we were just talking about add

722
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 2: an ad for a vacation in Jamaica, and she like

723
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: has this sort of fantasy sequence or she like sees

724
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 2: herself in the ad, which isn't a device that's used

725
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: anywhere else in the movie, but it is used at

726
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 2: the top of the movie. So she kind of on

727
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 2: a whim, calls up her pal Delilah play by Wooby Goldberg,

728
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 2: and they decide to go to Jamaica together and have

729
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: some fun and maybe just maybe get her groove back. Now, Billy,

730
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 2: what do you think when you say the groove? What

731
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 2: are they exactly referring to? Do you think.

732
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 3: That is the groove?

733
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: That is the whitest question I've ever been asked in

734
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: my entire life.

735
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 2: That's what I bring to the podcast, the widest questions possible.

736
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the groove. I don't want to speak for

737
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 1: anyone else but me because guess what, folks, I am.

738
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: Now I'm kind of older than Stella. Let's get fucking serious,

739
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: which is shocking to think about. I think there is

740
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: a general groove loss in your forties, doesn't matter gender

741
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: nor anyone's specific experience. I think forties the groove levels

742
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 1: take a dip no matter who you are. Okay, trending down? Yeah,

743
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 1: I think for women there is you know the issue

744
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: of menopause, perimenopause, hormonal changes, et cetera that get really

745
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: kicked up a notch in your forties. So I think

746
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: that this character is sort of right on time for

747
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: all that stuff. I mean, she's already had a kid,

748
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: the kid is old enough to like sort of you know,

749
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: be independent. She doesn't have a husband. She spends a

750
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: lot of her time working, and she works in a

751
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: very high pressure field. She works in finance, and she

752
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: doesn't have a lot of time to date. Her friends

753
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: try to set her up with people. She's kind of like,

754
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: you know, one foot out the door. I feel like

755
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: there's a lot of women that can relate to that

756
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: in my age group, right.

757
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

758
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: So I feel like there's like the forties forties thing

759
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: just generally, and then I feel like women have a

760
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: little bit of extra complications with it, and I think

761
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: that's you know, our bodies, but also culturally, and so

762
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: I feel like when I watched this now, I was like, oh,

763
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: hell yeah, her groove is fucking gone. Like this bitch

764
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: is not having any fun. She's just like living to

765
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 1: work and you know, sort of just like having a

766
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: spa day here and there. That doesn't really solve anything, right, Yeah,

767
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: but it's that thing of that feeling, and I will

768
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 1: say that maybe it doesn't get as fleshed out as

769
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: maybe it could have been, Like you could, like, as

770
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: a viewer, you could really stand to know what that

771
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: groove loss is a little bit more. But I certainly

772
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: felt it because I was that age does do you

773
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying?

774
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I think I sort of felt like she's

775
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 2: she is such a high status character. Yeah, and I

776
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 2: was kind of like, well, what does she need? I know,

777
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 2: there was like there's a little bit of a lack

778
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 2: of like personal life going on, but I was like,

779
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 2: does she really need to like get something back? It

780
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: didn't really feel like she had lost anything at the

781
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 2: beginning of the movie. You know, that was sort of

782
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 2: my thought.

783
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:12,479
Speaker 1: I would argue the opposite, but that's just because again,

784
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: I feel like we have different perspectives on life, and

785
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: I think, really, if you want to just get down

786
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: to it, her groove is basically she needs to get fucked.

787
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: That's kind of what has happened, yes, right, And in

788
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 1: the film it doesn't seem like she's doing that.

789
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 2: No, it does not. I thought that was actually pretty well.

790
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 2: I liked when she's by herself after some leaves and

791
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: she's like trying to learn how to play the piano.

792
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,280
Speaker 2: Like there's like this she's like plucking and she doesn't

793
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 2: know how to play the piano. Is like yeah, that's

794
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 2: like bleak. Like she's trying to like come up with

795
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 2: this like new hobby.

796
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: Alone.

797
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: She does need to go on vacation. Can I just

798
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 2: say too? I like that this movie was R.

799
00:45:58,760 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: Yes.

800
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 2: I feel like now they would be like, well, just

801
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 2: take out the swearing and like there's some nudity, but

802
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 2: it's like a pretty soft R. But it made it

803
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 2: just like there's one point where Whoopi Goldberg is like

804
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 2: fuck him. Yes, that was that made the movie more

805
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 2: enjoyable than if it was like a little tame down.

806
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 2: You know.

807
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I loved the language. I definitely thought there should

808
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: have been more sex, and I actually remember inaccurately that

809
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: I thought there was more sex in it than there

810
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: actually was. There really isn't a lot of like tantalizing

811
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: scenes except for the shower scene.

812
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 2: That's really the shower scene.

813
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: But it was like I was like, oh, I thought

814
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 1: they had a lot more sex than they actually did

815
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: in this film. But they do cussle lot, which is great. Yeah,

816
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I think if they would have

817
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 1: made this today, it would either be a fucking terrible PG.

818
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: Thirteen movie or it could be really risque. Actually, if

819
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: they made a really risque version of How Seala Got

820
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: Her Groove back, eye pees throwing.

821
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 2: My money throwing, absolutely, i'd love that. Yeah, all right,

822
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 2: moving on, So Stella, she's at breakfast and she meets

823
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 2: a very sexy young Jamaican man named Winston Shakespeare played

824
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 2: by Tay Diggs. On our social media pal k digs,

825
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 2: we hear kind of Stella's inner monologue about how hot

826
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 2: he is, which is again a device that's never used

827
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 2: again in the movie. But they hit it off despite

828
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 2: him being twenty and she is forty, so you know,

829
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 2: they're flirty, and they meet up at this I don't

830
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 2: know what was the name of this party where everyone's

831
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 2: in there like underwear. In college, it was called an

832
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 2: undie run, but it's like essentially that.

833
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: Did you actually go to something like that?

834
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: I never attended, but they did happen at college. But

835
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 2: they have one of these parties and then all of

836
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 2: a sudden, this was like the main nudity in the movie.

837
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 2: Everyone starts getting naked. That was kind of shocking action Okay.

838
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 2: I wanted to.

839
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: Talk about this because I was like, there was like

840
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 1: everyone's like in megaloches, which I thought was so fucking

841
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: crazy to begin with. Right, Yes, then some random woman

842
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: runs up to the microphone. I was like, all right,

843
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: everybody tag it off and every like the women just

844
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 1: start taking their tops off. Yeah, and I was like, wait, wait,

845
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: what's happening here.

846
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 2: That's hedonism, that's the orgy resort. That's what I'm talking about.

847
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 1: But here's my beef with that. You didn't see any dogs,

848
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: and I was I was really upset by that. When

849
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: I watched it again.

850
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 2: That'll be in our new version of How Stilla Got

851
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 2: Her Groove Back? More dogs. Listen.

852
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:58,919
Speaker 1: I you leave the remake of this up to like

853
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: Danny mc ride team. Yes, you would see no naked

854
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: breast and only dog. So it's just what we want.

855
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: That's what we want as a country.

856
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 2: Danny McBride's How Stella Got Her Group Back, and you imagine,

857
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 2: but this was shocking. This was shocking, and it shocks

858
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 2: Stella and they kind of run away together, but you know,

859
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 2: they do get freaky. They have sex. It's great, it's powerful.

860
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 2: But then Winston gets a job as an assistant chef

861
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 2: somewhere and he has to start immediately, so we can't

862
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 2: hang out with Stella as much. And Stella's pissed and

863
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 2: they kind of break up over it, and she goes home.

864
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 2: And this is where Million and I were both shocked

865
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 2: that she left the vacation because we thought she was

866
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 2: there the whole time. Also, Delilah, Whoope Goldberg, she's not

867
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 2: feeling well, a little bit of foreshadow dot dot, I know,

868
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 2: dot dot. I thought Woopy Goldberg was kind of underutilized

869
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 2: in this movie. I love Woopy Goldberg, and she's like

870
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 2: really funny and fun in the movie. But I thought

871
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 2: she was great.

872
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 1: I thought she was necessary for it because it was

873
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: like it kind of created a lightness that I thought

874
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: the movie needed. And totally we'll talk about it in

875
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: a second as the movie goes on, but their friendship

876
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: is really great to me. Yeah, so I have a

877
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: couple of thoughts about this entire thing, because yes, number one, Okay,

878
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: the only thing I could think of during this whole

879
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: courtship of Winston and Stella Shakespeare, which they'd never talk

880
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: about that again. And I'm like, there's no fucking way

881
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: his last name of Shakespeare. I'm just throwing that out there.

882
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: I know that England colonized Jamaica and it might be

883
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: possible that somebody's name of Shakespeare because of that, But honestly, no,

884
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: I'm not buying it for one second. Or the fact

885
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: that she would not bring it up again. I'd be

886
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:11,919
Speaker 1: if I dated a guy, if I met a guide

887
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 1: his last name with Shakespeare, I'd just be like laughing

888
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: about that the entire time. So here's the thing, Like,

889
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 1: because my brain is diseased and only watches the trashiest

890
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: reality TV, and I know you wrote this down to

891
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 1: the only thing I kept thinking about was Ninety Day Fiance.

892
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 2: Well, there are and I can't think of any of

893
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 2: the people who were on the show what their names are,

894
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 2: but there are several instances where a woman, an older woman,

895
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 2: went to Jamaica, yes, and met a young man and

896
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 2: they were to be married. So it's like, it's like

897
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 2: the exact plot of this movie happens on ninety Day

898
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 2: Fiance some with some frequency.

899
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 1: I mean, this shit, this shit was giving uzman aka

900
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 1: Sojia boy, do you remember you remember this soldier boy?

901
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 2: That's exactly who I was.

902
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, Okay, I will say that Angela Bassett is

903
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 1: not Lisa, the you know, fifty year old white lady

904
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: from America. Okay, but like the vibe of what's happening

905
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: is so sogiaboy, like it's very like. I kept thinking

906
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 1: about that. I kept thinking about I mean, little less

907
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: Michael and Angela. Do you remember Michael and Angela from that?

908
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 2: Absolutely? God, God, those guys were both from Africa.

909
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: Yes, I know it's Jamaica is a whole last other country.

910
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: But it's also like, what's the one is her name? Ashley?

911
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: She was like the white.

912
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 2: Lady with That's the when I was thinking of Ashley

913
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 2: Martson and Jay Smith, Yeah, of ninety Day Fiance, And

914
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 2: he was like a really young guy and he was

915
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 2: she was an older white one. She wasn't that she

916
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 2: was twelve years older than him. Yeah, so it's but

917
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 2: that's more of a I would say that's the most

918
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 2: similar to this movie How Stilly Got Her Groove Back, Yes,

919
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 2: but even.

920
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: Just more generally like this is a very This is

921
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: exactly what ninety Day Fiance is about. Is that people

922
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: are on vacation. They meet people at a resort. Usually

923
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: one of them is working at the resort and then

924
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:44,959
Speaker 1: they get you know, engaged, and this is the show.

925
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: I mean, there's like somebody moves to America and yeah.

926
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 2: And like this like young Jamaican guys all of a

927
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 2: sudden living in Pennsylvania. And then it's like as.

928
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: The movie plays out and probably pretty much plays out

929
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: like a ninety Day Fiance episode where you know, I

930
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 1: understand that it's hard, like as an immigrant to find

931
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 1: work because you're actually prevented from working at the beginning, right,

932
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: and so it's hard to find a job because your

933
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 1: visa is working its way through the system. And basically

934
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: that's why people are sponsored, because you have to be financial,

935
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: financially responsible for somebody. But it's like that thing of

936
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: like as the movie played out, I was like, oh man,

937
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: this is like going to be the craziest ninety Day

938
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: Fiance episode I've ever seen.

939
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 2: Well, like you were saying, there's like specific scenes in

940
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 2: the movie where I'm like, this happens in every episode,

941
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 2: like the like the barbecue scene where he meets all

942
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 2: of her friends and like some of them are like

943
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 2: he seems nice, he seems like a good guy, and others,

944
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 2: like the sister Angela is very suspicious of the situation,

945
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 2: and like there's a lot of judgment on Stella for

946
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 2: being kind of of a freak for like wanting to

947
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 2: date a twenty year old you know, that whole thing.

948
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 2: But yeah, there are scenes that mirror exactly Ninety Day

949
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 2: Fiance episode.

950
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: Yes, and it's obviously that show wasn't out when this

951
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: movie came out, but it's so funny that now it's

952
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: just the only thing that I can think of. When

953
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 1: I watched this movie, I wanted to ask, have you

954
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: ever fallen in love on a vacation?

955
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 2: No? But I feel like the closest.

956
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 1: No.

957
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 2: I never not never on a vacation. Number one, I

958
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 2: haven't actually been like enough vacations in my life to

959
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 2: like meet anybody. Wow, my family and I we never

960
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 2: went on vacation really when I was growing up, you.

961
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: Didn't go on a vacation with like your bros Or

962
00:55:56,560 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 1: your friends, like on a like boys trip or something then,

963
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,280
Speaker 1: or when you were single.

964
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 2: Maybe not really, I've just been to I was. I

965
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 2: didn't have enough money to do anything. Yeah, I'm so boring.

966
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 2: I don't have anything. I don't have anything exciting to reveal.

967
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 2: I remember I was like working this convention for work,

968
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 2: and I was like, kind it was in Lake Arrowhead,

969
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 2: and I feel like there was a blossoming romance that

970
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 2: just never happened. But that's about it. I don't have

971
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 2: anything any juicy stories. Oh sad interesting, what about you, Millie?

972
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: So I only really have one to speak of. But

973
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 1: it was not it was not reciprocated. It just was

974
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:51,720
Speaker 1: an awkward situation in the same way that it rolls

975
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: out in Hostel I got her groove back, whereas so

976
00:56:55,640 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: I was on a cruise. This was a cruise, okay,

977
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: and this was a work cruise. Just go back like

978
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: twenty minutes in the episode you'll find out why I

979
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 1: was on a work cruise. It was on a boat

980
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: that was almost kind of It wasn't like hedonism, but

981
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 1: it was like an adult's only cruise. And there are

982
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: certainly specific cruise companies that are only for adults and

983
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: they kind of like, you know, and it's like basically like, oh,

984
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: we have a casino on board, and we have drinks

985
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: and it's like no kids are allowed, right, which you

986
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: know appeals to people, I suppose. But we were on

987
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: the boat, which was one of these cruise lines. Okay,

988
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: So I don't know what happened. I think it's because

989
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: of that where like things just get kicked up a

990
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: fucking notch, like the people on board are like a

991
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: little bit more like down to cloud or something, and

992
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: it's it creates a very interesting environment as somebody who's

993
00:57:56,240 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: just working the boat. And so one of my coworkers

994
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 1: there was like these two dudes on the boat who

995
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: were I got to say a little bit younger than us.

996
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: I mean probably in their late twenties, maybe early thirties,

997
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: and they were like these kind of two professional guys.

998
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: One of them looked like Jfkate Junior, so we kept

999
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: calling him JFK Junior, and it was like him and

1000
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: his buddy, his friend. JFK Junior wanted to definitely get

1001
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: with my friend. And it was that kind of scenario

1002
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: where I was kind of like the other party involved

1003
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: with the other person. And so I remember we went on.

1004
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 2: This line, you were the wo be Goldberg in the situation,

1005
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 2: or I.

1006
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: Was the Stella going out with the other football player guy.

1007
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 1: Do you remember what I'm saying?

1008
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, but.

1009
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: I remember going on this insane like double dinner date

1010
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: with them, and it was very formal like, I think

1011
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: my friend got a little action, but then that was it.

1012
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 1: That's great.

1013
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been in that situation before where I'm the

1014
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 2: I'm the other guy with the other woman, and I'm

1015
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 2: like on these double dates where I'm like in hell, oh,

1016
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 2: my friend and his date are like falling in love.

1017
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: Well, but here's the thing, Like I very I mean,

1018
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: I'm I joked that I'm not even good enough for

1019
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: that for like the ugly friend status. I'm like not,

1020
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 1: I'm like not even close to that. I very rarely

1021
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: find myself in that situation. So, like I said, I

1022
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: think that's maybe why I was feeling so weird about it,

1023
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 1: because I was like, wow, this never happens to me. Yeah,

1024
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: but anyway, Wow, that's about as close as it came though.

1025
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: I've never yeah, I've never done this. I've never ninety

1026
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: day fiance anyone or anything close.

1027
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, it's interesting about the whole

1028
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 2: ninety day fiance of it all. This was based off

1029
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 2: the did you read about this? This is based on

1030
00:59:56,800 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 2: the real life of Terry McMillan. Okay, this was later a.

1031
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: Huge scandal when it came out, so tell them.

1032
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 2: So basically, this is based on her life where she

1033
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 2: met her like younger husband in Jamaica and they got

1034
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 2: married and she writes this book. The movie comes out

1035
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 2: then around like two thousand and four, two thousand and five,

1036
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 2: he comes out as gay and they get a divorce,

1037
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 2: and there was a lot of like accusations of you

1038
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 2: were using me for a green card, you knew you

1039
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 2: were gay the whole time. He was saying, I didn't

1040
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 2: know I was gay when we got married or hooked up.

1041
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 2: But they famously went on Oprah and kind of hashed

1042
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 2: it out after the divorce happened. So the real life

1043
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 2: story is also kind of ninety day fiance like a

1044
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 2: feeling kind of.

1045
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was I mean, I remember when this happened,

1046
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: and it was such a huge ordeal because it is

1047
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: kind of every gal's worst nightmare in a way, to

1048
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 1: be like, oh, you mean the guy that I thought

1049
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: I was in love with from my vacation is actually

1050
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 1: gay and I've led him into this country and he

1051
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 1: doesn't actually love me, and he you know, like, of

1052
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: course that's a giant fear of any of anyone, but

1053
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, I mean, I think it was just

1054
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 1: like shocking and because we all wanted it to be. Oh,

1055
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 1: we wanted it to be forever. Let's get serious.

1056
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 2: But well we'll get maybe we'll get to that more

1057
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 2: at the end of the movie. Yeah sure, but uh yeah,

1058
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 2: anything else to say about that scandal?

1059
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: No, Actually, you can't move on, all right?

1060
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:53,479
Speaker 2: Moving on? So Stella goes back home and she goes

1061
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 2: back to work and she's discovers that she's been laid

1062
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 2: off because there was a merger. So she's redundant.

1063
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: What was it, boss, Vincent.

1064
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 2: What's his name, Oh, Vincent, Victor Garber, Victor Garia. Yeah,

1065
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 2: so she's been let go and she's a little rudderless,

1066
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,959
Speaker 2: you know, but she's still very horny. So she goes

1067
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 2: back to Jamaica. She gets a call from Winston being

1068
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 2: like I miss you. So she goes back to make

1069
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 2: Jamaica and she brings her son and his cousin this time,

1070
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 2: and on this trip, Stella is kind of blindsided when

1071
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 2: he brought He introduces her to his parents and Winston's

1072
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 2: mom is like, I'm forty one, you're forty? Is there

1073
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 2: no good men in America that are your age? Like,

1074
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 2: what are you doing? You freak? You know, And also

1075
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 2: she gets a call. Stella gets a call that Delilah

1076
01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 2: has cancer and is dying will be Goldberg, and so

1077
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 2: she flies back to New York to visit her dying friend.

1078
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 2: And this whole stuff was very sweet and touching, like

1079
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 2: when they're like singing together in the hospital. And I

1080
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 2: found this movie very effective. I was like very affected emotionally, yeah, frequently.

1081
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 2: But Winston surprises her at the funeral to support her,

1082
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 2: and after this he has quit his job as an

1083
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 2: assistant chef and he flies to San Francisco with her

1084
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 2: and they begin dating in earnest. So I was going

1085
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 2: to ask you, Millie, are you good at meeting significant

1086
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 2: others parents? Are you good with the parents?

1087
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you're talking to somebody that worked at Turner

1088
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 1: Classic Movies for twenty years. Yeah, you're trying to tell

1089
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: me that I won't charm the pants off of anybody,

1090
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 1: just get them talking about classic movies.

1091
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I see it.

1092
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I am not going to brag, but I

1093
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: am beloved by people's parents. And I'm not saying significant others,

1094
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying friends. I'm saying my parents' neighbors, my parents neighbors.

1095
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just have that connective tissue to

1096
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 1: the things that they like, which I mean I wish.

1097
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 1: I wish that served me in like if I was married,

1098
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: I have a great relationship with the in laws, hopefully,

1099
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I just end up just chatting

1100
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 1: with the parents and then they call me and they

1101
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: want to hang out with me. Actually that has happened before.

1102
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: Like I have my friend Dredd, and his parents love

1103
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 1: the shit out of me, and they text me and

1104
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 1: I'd played trivia with them and I give them movie screeners.

1105
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, oh, I'm fully friends with your parents

1106
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 1: and you can fuck off. Really, I mean, your parents

1107
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 1: are cool and I they have more in common with

1108
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: them than with you. Buddy. No, I'm kidding, but I'm

1109
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: just I'm saying that, like, I'm really good. To answer

1110
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 1: your question, I'm really good at that.

1111
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 2: Are you good?

1112
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 1: What's your vibe?

1113
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 2: Come on, gosh, I crush it, crush I'm a parents,

1114
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 2: I'm a parent's wet dream. Come on, I always do

1115
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 2: well with the parents. I feel. Yeah, I feel like

1116
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 2: I'm a very non threatening yes person. So everyone's pretty

1117
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 2: excited that I'm dating their daughters.

1118
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 1: Listen, I never underestimate the power of a gregarious white

1119
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 1: guy when it comes to people's parents. Like I'm telling you,

1120
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 1: it doesn't take much, really doesn't. So I mean you

1121
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: just have to be a white.

1122
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 2: Dude who is friendly. Yeah, good head of hair. I

1123
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 2: think that helps to a job.

1124
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 1: Having a job is ninety of it.

1125
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, Yeah, this movie kind of started reminding me

1126
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 2: of other movies. When I was watching a little bit,

1127
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 2: I started thinking of some Eric Romera movies because his

1128
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 2: movies are kind of vacation romance movies, and I felt

1129
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 2: like this movie really takes its time, Like it was

1130
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 2: like there's some sort of like meandering moments where we're

1131
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 2: just kind of like looking out at the beautiful verandas

1132
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 2: and beaches and stuff. So that was sort of coming

1133
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 2: to mind.

1134
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, the pain, you know, I got to say, now

1135
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 1: that I've seen this again after many many years, I

1136
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 1: feel like the pacing of this movie is very weird, because.

1137
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 2: I feel like there's, yeah, it is weird.

1138
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 1: It takes its time in certain places, and then it

1139
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 1: really speeds up the narrative a lot into others, and

1140
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 1: I feel like I understand the challenge of trying to

1141
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:43,440
Speaker 1: adapt a novel that's spanning a lot of time and

1142
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 1: you want to get all this info in there. But again,

1143
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 1: when I first when we first thought about doing this

1144
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 1: movie again, I was like misremembering a lot of things

1145
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 1: about it, which I just thought the entire movie was

1146
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 1: about the vacation, and I realized it wasn't. I was like, oh, fuck,

1147
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 1: I forgot. There's a part where she goes to visit

1148
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 1: his parents, Like, damn man. They burned in a lot

1149
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 1: of time on this, to the point where I actually

1150
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 1: was until they said it, I was like, how long

1151
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 1: has it been since they've seen each other when he

1152
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 1: goes to San Francisco.

1153
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't know.

1154
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I said this before, but

1155
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 1: I love the friendship between Sella and Delilah. I think

1156
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 1: it's really sweet, especially in the moments where she is

1157
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 1: in the hospital, that whole sequence, which took up a

1158
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 1: lot of time where Yeah, but I thought was like

1159
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 1: they should have just kept focus on that. I just

1160
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 1: felt kind of uneven at times when it comes to

1161
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 1: the stuff.

1162
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1163
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 1: I think at the end of the day, if I

1164
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 1: want to be honest, I would love I would have

1165
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 1: loved less San Francisco and more Jamaica.

1166
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 2: Interesting, don't you feel I would have been in like

1167
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 2: a cleaner movie. I think, yeah, because like they would

1168
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 2: never make a movie like this now for a lot

1169
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 2: of reasons. But also it just like they let they

1170
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 2: had just like final cut. It was kind of like,

1171
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 2: it doesn't feel like a traditionally paced movie in a

1172
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 2: lot of ways. So I hear what you're saying.

1173
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it could have been really good Eric Romet

1174
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 1: movie where it was just in the environment of you know,

1175
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:23,680
Speaker 1: Jamaica and having more to do with I don't know,

1176
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: maybe outside of the resort a little bit, like they

1177
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 1: could have really expanded it a little bit more. I thought, Yeah,

1178
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:33,559
Speaker 1: I just think it was so strange how quickly they

1179
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 1: move away from it.

1180
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,759
Speaker 2: I also was like, I think I was a little

1181
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 2: surprised watching this movie. I wouldn't I almost wouldn't classify

1182
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:45,599
Speaker 2: this as a romantic comedy. It is classified as such,

1183
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 2: but it's not actually very funny, Like I feel like

1184
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 2: it's pretty dramatic.

1185
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:53,640
Speaker 1: Sure, I think would be Goldberg is.

1186
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 2: The Goldberg is funny obviously.

1187
01:08:55,920 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 1: But would you Yeah, what do you think about Ty

1188
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 1: Diggs and his Jamaican accent? Believable?

1189
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,640
Speaker 2: It was. I don't know if it's for me to

1190
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 2: say if it was believable or not. He didn't do

1191
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 2: too much though, which I appreciated. It was a pretty

1192
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,839
Speaker 2: subtle Jamaican accent.

1193
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I felt. Let me tell you a little something

1194
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 1: about Tay Diggs. Besides the fact that he were both

1195
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:33,640
Speaker 1: Twitter buddies of his, Tate Diggs, to me is extremely attractive.

1196
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 2: Uh huh.

1197
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:40,520
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen the movie Brown Sugar with him?

1198
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 1: I fucking love Brown Sugar. I feel like we should

1199
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 1: do it as an episode. It is so charming and

1200
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 1: good and Tate Diggs is so hot in that movie,

1201
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 1: like he just puts it on, Like he has more

1202
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 1: riz in that movie than he ever has. I feel

1203
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 1: like in a lot of things. And I kind of

1204
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 1: was like, I kept thinking about this when I was

1205
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 1: rewatching Hostella Got Her Groove Back. I was like, they

1206
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 1: actually do not look too far age wise.

1207
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 2: I felt that same thing. It didn't really like there's

1208
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 2: so many scenes in the movie where people are like

1209
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:27,760
Speaker 2: staring at them with raised eyebrows, like look at that

1210
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:30,639
Speaker 2: old witch with that young hottie, But it's like they

1211
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 2: don't look that strange together.

1212
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 1: No, that's and that's why I kept thinking, what's the

1213
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 1: why is everybody freaking out. He actually he actually looks

1214
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:44,799
Speaker 1: a lot older than he is and she looks younger.

1215
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 1: And if you do the math, he was twenty seven

1216
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 1: when this movie was what came out. Yeah, he's supposed

1217
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 1: to play two zero twenty in this movie. And I

1218
01:10:58,040 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 1: was kind of like, that's a little bit of a reach.

1219
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:03,599
Speaker 1: But he certainly looks twenty seven and she actually looks

1220
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 1: like thirty five maybe thirty four.

1221
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 2: So they they could have been cast as romantically and

1222
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 2: no one would have bad.

1223
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And I kept thinking, like every the way that

1224
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 1: everybody's reacting, especially like when they're in public, it's like,

1225
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:25,799
Speaker 1: oh my god, here's like Ralphie from a Christmas Story

1226
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 1: with Betty White or something like that.

1227
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 2: That was the that was the vibe.

1228
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 1: Yes, And I'm like, this is this is not as

1229
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 1: bad as I've as I've seen it in the past.

1230
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 2: And I was gonna scene fucking build Belichick and his

1231
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 2: girlfriend Jordan Hudson is well and there's that scene where

1232
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 2: the bartender is like, it's so nice that you're hanging

1233
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 2: out with your mom, and I was like, come on.

1234
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 1: I would have never really thought that as a bartender.

1235
01:11:57,439 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 1: Would you remember said that period or.

1236
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:05,520
Speaker 2: Oh god, man, ridiculous and they didn't look that outrageous.

1237
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:06,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, break.

1238
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:13,680
Speaker 2: Okay. Anyways, you know Stella and Winston they're dating now

1239
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 2: in San Francisco and he proposes, and she's like, I

1240
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:20,680
Speaker 2: want to say yes, but give me some time to

1241
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 2: just think about it. But there's tension because she's an

1242
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:26,599
Speaker 2: old hag and he's a young boy like we were

1243
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 2: talking about, and there's a lot of judgments from her

1244
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 2: friends and her bitch sister and Winston he likes stupid

1245
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 2: movies and cocoa puffs. How can they make this work?

1246
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 2: We also find during this time that Stella has a

1247
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:48,520
Speaker 2: past passion of furniture making, and she has a furniture

1248
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:52,599
Speaker 2: like making shop that has just fallen into disrepair at

1249
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 2: her house. Uh So this that made me laugh, And

1250
01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:01,679
Speaker 2: I feel like furniture making is like the in vogue

1251
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 2: secret dream of a lot of movie characters. I was

1252
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 2: thinking of Magic Mike for example. Uh uh, I don't know.

1253
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 2: I just thought that was such a funny. It's like,

1254
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:15,559
Speaker 2: we have to give her some sort of creative passion

1255
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:17,720
Speaker 2: that's not making money, you know.

1256
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:22,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I oh my god, Like that was a little

1257
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 1: a bridge too far. For me, yes, because I was like, Okay,

1258
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 1: she has this entire garage at her house that has

1259
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 1: like all of this woodworking material, huge kid.

1260
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 2: And huge tools.

1261
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 1: I was like, and she just was like, I'm not

1262
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 1: into making furniture anymore. And I was like what, Like

1263
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:52,559
Speaker 1: what is this like insane character detail.

1264
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:54,679
Speaker 2: But it seems like by the end of the movie,

1265
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 2: it's like she didn't take she doesn't go back to

1266
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 2: her job, and it seems like she's gonna make a

1267
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 2: She's gonna to do furniture. Follow your dreams, I guess.

1268
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 1: Such a bizarre and yeah, you're right that being sort

1269
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:13,719
Speaker 1: of this weird recurring trope in movies about how people

1270
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 1: need to get away from Wall Street and go back

1271
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 1: to their roots aka making furniture.

1272
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it is just such a classic like

1273
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 2: see they don't want to be like they have an

1274
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 2: interior life that's interesting, like care about them as a character.

1275
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 2: But I'm like, we already cared about Stella, we already

1276
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 2: had buy in. We didn't need this whole furniture. I

1277
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 2: don't know, it was just a.

1278
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 1: Fun So I wish, like God, I wish I could

1279
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:43,880
Speaker 1: remember they're at the movies and like he wants to

1280
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 1: go and see like some shitty fucking comedy, and she's like, they.

1281
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 2: Go and see it? Yeah, they go and see some

1282
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 2: stupid comedy.

1283
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:54,600
Speaker 1: It's funny because there is the poster for it in

1284
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 1: the background and I can't remember what the name of

1285
01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 1: the movie it was.

1286
01:14:58,200 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 2: I got it hold on, I got to look.

1287
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 1: It was very a Tracy Jordan from thirty Rock. It

1288
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:06,760
Speaker 1: was like you know, who Dat Ninja or something like that.

1289
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 1: It was very like one of these things. And I

1290
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 1: was actually bummed out that she didn't laugh. To be honest,

1291
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 1: I thought.

1292
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 2: This was sort of an interesting little commentary because the

1293
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 2: character of Winston Shakespeare, he is very mature and like

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01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 2: self assured and like confident in himself. Yes, and he's

1295
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 2: happy to see a stupid movie and not some art

1296
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 2: house movie. But like Stella is like, well, I can't

1297
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,680
Speaker 2: be seen going to this stupid ass like yeah, like

1298
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:45,840
Speaker 2: fake Seinfeld movie, sack lunch or something like, I don't know.

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01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1300
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 2: I was kind of bummed that she was like why

1301
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 2: is he laughing at this stupid.

1302
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 3: Because like the.

1303
01:15:56,760 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 1: Whole thing is is that she runs into her sister

1304
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 1: right at the movies, yes, and so they're like oh

1305
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 1: would you cry at the end or whatever they had seen,

1306
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 1: you know, the rest of the adults went and saw

1307
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 1: an adult movie. And once it's like, actually we saw

1308
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:16,799
Speaker 1: that one. It pans over to this fake movie poster

1309
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:26,799
Speaker 1: and it's for a movie called My Last Nerve. It's

1310
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:32,639
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, man, Stella didn't think My Last

1311
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 1: Nerve was funny? Well, I think still lies too.

1312
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 2: I think she's like, oh, yeah, the end, he was

1313
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 2: really sad, like she like tries to cover up that

1314
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 2: they didn't see it, and he's like, actually, we saw

1315
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 2: that movie.

1316
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 1: Okay, real talk, Casey. Imagine a world where you weren't

1317
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:52,639
Speaker 1: married with a child. Okay, imagine if you were dating

1318
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 1: somebody who was much older than you, you know, and

1319
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 1: you took them to see My Last Nerve and you

1320
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:01,960
Speaker 1: were is fucking like this is the funniest movie of

1321
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 1: all time, Like I don't know, maybe your favorite comedians

1322
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 1: are in it, maybe Tim Robinson's in it, maybe you know,

1323
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 1: like whomever. And then that person just sat there fucking

1324
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 1: looking at you like I can't believe you took me

1325
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 1: of this shit.

1326
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 2: I would be that would be like so honestly such

1327
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 2: a turn off for me, Like I would be like, oh,

1328
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 2: you're not a fun person, and I actually would think

1329
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:28,639
Speaker 2: you're stupid if you didn't like a dumb if if

1330
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:34,559
Speaker 2: you as a person can't enjoy a dumb thing, then

1331
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:36,280
Speaker 2: I actually think you're dumb.

1332
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:40,680
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm like if like it doesn't have to be

1333
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 1: my last serve, maybe it's mcgroober, my favorite mcgroober, my

1334
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 1: favorite five Star powers.

1335
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:46,679
Speaker 3: Yes.

1336
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 1: If if I went to that took somebody to see

1337
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 1: that movie and they acted not not just like okay,

1338
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 1: it was stupid, but like this is beneath me, Like

1339
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 1: you're a young dumb idiot for liking this movie, and

1340
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:06,840
Speaker 1: I'm like a cultured older person, I'd be like, well,

1341
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:13,120
Speaker 1: this ain't gonna last beyond tonight because there's no fucking way.

1342
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:18,719
Speaker 1: And like, again, my whole life revolves around dumbness and

1343
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 1: fun and like you know that. I just felt like

1344
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 1: that was I don't know. At some point I was

1345
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 1: like I don't know about this, Like she can't appreciate

1346
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 1: my last nerve, and Winston's like rolling on the floor

1347
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 1: laughing his ass off about it. I think they got

1348
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,759
Speaker 1: I think there's a fundamental rift.

1349
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:41,920
Speaker 2: Yeahn if I took someone to go see the clumps.

1350
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 2: I want I want to be and they they're like

1351
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 2: this was stupid, and I actually judge you for liking

1352
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:51,920
Speaker 2: this movie. I would be like, this is over. I'm sorry.

1353
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:55,120
Speaker 1: Yikes. Yeah, I mean he's just baseline need to have

1354
01:18:55,200 --> 01:19:00,719
Speaker 1: some level of respect and appreciation for someone is dumb.

1355
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah taste, I guess.

1356
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:04,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1357
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:05,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1358
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 1: Anyway, all right, just around.

1359
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:10,719
Speaker 2: Just to finish things up here real quick. So Winston

1360
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 2: proposes and Stilla is like, yeah, I want to, but

1361
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:17,680
Speaker 2: she kind of hems and haws about it and never

1362
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 2: gives him an answer, and he's like, you know what,

1363
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:25,320
Speaker 2: fuck this, And after she didn't like the stupid my

1364
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 2: last Nerve movie, he's like, I'm going to go back

1365
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 2: to Jamaica and go to medical school. This has been fun.

1366
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 2: But she surprises him at the airport and she says

1367
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 2: yes to his proposal. The end.

1368
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:45,439
Speaker 1: The end, Oh well, this is this whole part to me.

1369
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:51,280
Speaker 1: Gotta say rewatch flimsy period. I was like, he's going

1370
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 1: to go back to Jamaica and go to be a

1371
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 1: medical student. Can't he just go? She goes because at

1372
01:19:57,240 --> 01:19:59,280
Speaker 1: the end, like one of her last lines is what

1373
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 1: about Stanford? And I was like, exactly what about it,

1374
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 1: Like he could just go to a medical school here

1375
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 1: in California.

1376
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I sort of feel like it was flimsy

1377
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 2: because I mean, he's like leaving and then she just

1378
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 2: decides to show up at the airport and is like,

1379
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 2: let's stay together. Actually I say yes, but there isn't

1380
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 2: really like an inciting incident of her being like, oh

1381
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 2: my gosh, I've been focused on the wrong thing. I

1382
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 2: need to go for love. She just sort of shows

1383
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:36,560
Speaker 2: up at the airport and is like, actually, let us

1384
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 2: let's get married. You know.

1385
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, dude. I don't know if it

1386
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:44,719
Speaker 1: was just because I was like, this movie is trucking along.

1387
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 1: It is trucking because I was like, again, this is

1388
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 1: what kind of made it feel a little uneven. Was

1389
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:53,639
Speaker 1: that I was just sort of like, oh, we're already

1390
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:56,240
Speaker 1: at the point where he's trying to leave and they

1391
01:20:56,960 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 1: they have their goodbye fuck mm hmmm, what do you

1392
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:05,719
Speaker 1: see his ass? You see his ass? I was like, listen,

1393
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 1: it's been too long. We haven't seen Taye Diggs in

1394
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:17,599
Speaker 1: the shower. Like this movie is almost let's get fucking serious.

1395
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 1: I was like, I've been I've been waiting for this

1396
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:20,920
Speaker 1: for an hour. Over an hour.

1397
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:26,680
Speaker 2: You have to post this picture of the post. We

1398
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:30,719
Speaker 2: have to get approval from our legal department to post

1399
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 2: the my last nerve post.

1400
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 1: Damn, it's so good. The the whole thing about first

1401
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 1: of all, goodbye goodbye fucks in film. Maybe that's a

1402
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:50,559
Speaker 1: separate episode. Yeah, you knew something was up because every

1403
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:53,559
Speaker 1: time there is a goodbye fuck in a film or

1404
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 1: a television show, there's something very dispassionate about the end

1405
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 1: of it, where they're just kind of like looking off

1406
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:02,120
Speaker 1: into the middle distance and they're just like, I don't

1407
01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:04,519
Speaker 1: know about this. I think we fucked for the last time,

1408
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:08,480
Speaker 1: and I don't know. I feel like this is our goodbye.

1409
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 1: It happens in a lot of other movies too, and

1410
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:13,640
Speaker 1: I'm just sort of like, man, this is grim. So

1411
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:17,360
Speaker 1: I knew something was going on after they had that

1412
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 1: goodbye fucking that was it. So the minute that's over,

1413
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, who's leaving? I forgot about this?

1414
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:31,400
Speaker 1: Who's leaving? And then it's like Winston, he's the one

1415
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:35,240
Speaker 1: to leave. And then again that excuse of him being like, well,

1416
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 1: I've decided to let you have your life back. You

1417
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:41,680
Speaker 1: don't need me to complicate things. I want to go

1418
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:45,639
Speaker 1: back and be a doctor in Jamaica. My flight leaves

1419
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:48,559
Speaker 1: ten nights at ten pm.

1420
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:53,160
Speaker 2: I was like, well they explained that away. She's like

1421
01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 2: that's very cool, that's very quick. And he's like, well,

1422
01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 2: I thought it'd be easier if I left right away.

1423
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 1: No, like, give me a break. I was like, that

1424
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:09,240
Speaker 1: is so dramatic, needlessly dramatic. And then of course at

1425
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 1: airport reunion, I mean, come on, like, I mean.

1426
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 2: It's classic Garden State situation.

1427
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 1: Classic, and I mean I suppose it's good that they're

1428
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:23,600
Speaker 1: back together, but it was this whole like, this is needless.

1429
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:27,240
Speaker 1: He could have just said, I'll stay with you in America.

1430
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:29,280
Speaker 1: I don't want to complicate your life, but I am

1431
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 1: gonna like maybe get an apartment and go to Stanford.

1432
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:36,840
Speaker 1: That's all that needed to happen. Maybe I just I

1433
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 1: need it.

1434
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:39,120
Speaker 2: Maybe I need to that's too practical.

1435
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:42,479
Speaker 1: Come on, you know, that's why I'm not in Hollywood, baby,

1436
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:45,400
Speaker 1: That's why I'm not writing scripts, because I'm too practical.

1437
01:23:46,120 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 2: Well, you know, and it is sort of funny that

1438
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 2: the real life situation is we know they didn't end

1439
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 2: up together. You know, did that happen to these characters too.

1440
01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 2: He came out as gay later. Oh and uh, you

1441
01:23:57,920 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 2: know interesting.

1442
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 1: Well hard to say, but yeah, that is such a

1443
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 1: shocking turn at the end of it. But this movie

1444
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:08,599
Speaker 1: is you know, I got to say my obviously, age

1445
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 1: has changed so much about movies. After seeing something at

1446
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 1: the beginning, you know, when it first came out, and

1447
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:20,040
Speaker 1: seeing it much later in life. I had projected a

1448
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:25,800
Speaker 1: lot of my ideas and thoughts about middle age onto

1449
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 1: this movie in nineteen ninety eight, and now that I'm

1450
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 1: this age and older in fact than Stella, I'm looking

1451
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:38,200
Speaker 1: at this going Okay, this movie isn't as good as

1452
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:44,679
Speaker 1: I thought it was conceptually, though I'm all on board

1453
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 1: for anybody that wants I think it's really nice in fact,

1454
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:52,200
Speaker 1: that we do have a sort of term now for

1455
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 1: a woman, a single woman going to a foreign country

1456
01:24:56,439 --> 01:24:59,880
Speaker 1: and finding a little fling for herself. That is positive,

1457
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:03,559
Speaker 1: and I think that that's a good thing to have

1458
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:04,799
Speaker 1: in your pocket.

1459
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:09,320
Speaker 2: I agree. Just the title alone is almost how Stella

1460
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:13,320
Speaker 2: got her groove back is so it's more important than

1461
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:15,640
Speaker 2: the movie itself, you know.

1462
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:20,880
Speaker 1: The the concept needed to happen, and I'm glad that it

1463
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:24,439
Speaker 1: happened because you know, as as a single woman of

1464
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:27,200
Speaker 1: a certain age, I like, I like having options for

1465
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:30,240
Speaker 1: my life, and I like knowing that one day I

1466
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:32,519
Speaker 1: could walk away from this podcast and go to Jamaica

1467
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 1: and find a husband if I really wanted to.

1468
01:25:35,439 --> 01:25:37,960
Speaker 2: Right, you could end up in a ninety day fiance situation.

1469
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:43,599
Speaker 1: And listen, if I told myself that if I if

1470
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:46,600
Speaker 1: I was ever in a ninety day fiance situation, I

1471
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 1: would immediately start vaping, because that's what it seems like

1472
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:58,360
Speaker 1: all the our fa their adult vapors basically. But that

1473
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:03,559
Speaker 1: also like I don't know, I I think that that

1474
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:06,439
Speaker 1: I know that this is a movie podcast and not

1475
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:11,519
Speaker 1: a television reality show television podcast, but like that whole

1476
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:17,360
Speaker 1: show has really disrupted this fantasy. This fantasy of Misela

1477
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:20,680
Speaker 1: Got a roof Back is ruined because of not You're

1478
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:23,240
Speaker 1: on hundred right, Because that show is very dark.

1479
01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:27,080
Speaker 2: It is one of the darkest reality TV shows of

1480
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:27,599
Speaker 2: all time.

1481
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 1: It makes you feel like actual love is never possible,

1482
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:37,400
Speaker 1: Like it's just like nosolute nobody ever will will meet

1483
01:26:37,439 --> 01:26:41,080
Speaker 1: anybody in a foreign country and it not be drama free.

1484
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:44,960
Speaker 2: Like it's the absolute romantic ideal too, you know, you

1485
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:47,880
Speaker 2: think about it, it's like you travel to some foreign

1486
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:51,000
Speaker 2: land and you meet the love of your life, you know,

1487
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 2: and then you watch the people who actually did do

1488
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:59,400
Speaker 2: some version of that, and it's a nightmare, and yeah,

1489
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:01,880
Speaker 2: it has ruined that forever.

1490
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so sad, and it's like, do I want

1491
01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:08,759
Speaker 1: Hostella got her groove back to be real? Of course,

1492
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:11,320
Speaker 1: but then it ended up not being that way in

1493
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:14,280
Speaker 1: real life, and then now we have finding de fience

1494
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:19,800
Speaker 1: to ruin it even further. So all this is say,

1495
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:24,679
Speaker 1: it's a serviceable rom calm, more on the walm, less

1496
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 1: on the calm, and I'm glad we have the term.

1497
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:34,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I feel like I liked this movie

1498
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:37,120
Speaker 2: more than you did. I was actually happy to hear that.

1499
01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts?

1500
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:40,519
Speaker 2: I think I was sort of taken with the fact

1501
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:46,639
Speaker 2: that it was bizarrely. The pacing is very bizarre and unusual,

1502
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:50,000
Speaker 2: I felt sure, And so I was very intrigued by that,

1503
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:51,599
Speaker 2: And in some ways it kind of felt like an

1504
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:53,559
Speaker 2: art house film. So it was kind of like, ooh,

1505
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:56,680
Speaker 2: this is sort of interesting. And then like the relationship

1506
01:27:56,720 --> 01:28:01,120
Speaker 2: with her friend Delilah, would you go? I was touched

1507
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:04,000
Speaker 2: by I was touched by her relationship with her son. Yes,

1508
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:08,680
Speaker 2: and I'm not forty, but I'm looking at it. I'm

1509
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:11,559
Speaker 2: right there, you know. So there are aspects of that

1510
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:14,400
Speaker 2: when it comes to your life and career and stuff.

1511
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 2: I'm very happily married. That's the difference. But you know,

1512
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:21,840
Speaker 2: I don't know. I was like, I'm like an adult now,

1513
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 2: I guess, And I enjoy this adult movie. That is

1514
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:28,280
Speaker 2: something I would have never enjoyed as a teenager, you know.

1515
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:29,599
Speaker 1: Agreed.

1516
01:28:30,439 --> 01:28:33,800
Speaker 2: All right, Well that's it how Stella got her groove back,

1517
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:36,680
Speaker 2: and hopefully we'll get our groove back when we talk

1518
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 2: to Chris Devlin. All Right, everybody, we are back with

1519
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:54,760
Speaker 2: another installment of my area of expertise, and we have

1520
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:59,519
Speaker 2: a expert on the show. He's an old friend of mine.

1521
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:03,599
Speaker 2: He's the writer of Texas Chainsaw Massacre from twenty twenty two,

1522
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:08,679
Speaker 2: Chainsaw One Word, No, The Very Important, and twenty twenty

1523
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 2: three's Cobweb, which is now streaming on Netflix. Indeed, is

1524
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 2: that correct? That's correct? Both us? Oh they both aren't.

1525
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:19,759
Speaker 2: Oh awesome. You could do a Chris Thomas Devlin double

1526
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 2: feature because we have Chris Thomas Devlin on the show.

1527
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:25,880
Speaker 3: Hi, Chris Hi Casey, so happy to be here. What

1528
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:26,439
Speaker 3: an honor.

1529
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:30,799
Speaker 4: Also, of course, one missing credit from that wonderful intro,

1530
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:36,320
Speaker 4: and that is the twenty fifteen theatrical presentation Dark and Stormy,

1531
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:38,439
Speaker 4: which is how you and I came to know each

1532
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:41,160
Speaker 4: other because you were the one of the stars of

1533
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:44,960
Speaker 4: the first and to this day only play that I

1534
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 4: have ever written, but you were I.

1535
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:49,760
Speaker 2: Was of course going to say that, Chris, one of

1536
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:54,040
Speaker 2: your most important credits. Yeah, Chris and I. I was

1537
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:57,320
Speaker 2: in Chris's play, was that twenty fifteen one years ago?

1538
01:29:57,439 --> 01:29:59,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a hell Yeah. That was a big

1539
01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:01,439
Speaker 4: year for me, and that play was part of it.

1540
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:05,439
Speaker 2: Chris and I were both involved with this theater company

1541
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:08,680
Speaker 2: you could say, called the Tavern Rakes, and it was

1542
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:12,880
Speaker 2: all plays that we did at this bar. It was

1543
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 2: like a play set in a bar, an actual bart

1544
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:21,320
Speaker 2: speak blind barbering, Yeah, yeah, in Culver City, and so

1545
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:26,120
Speaker 2: people would be like seated in the booths and like

1546
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:30,040
Speaker 2: chairs in the bar and the play would take place

1547
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:31,839
Speaker 2: like at the bar itself.

1548
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:34,400
Speaker 1: That's like that episode of Nathan for You where they

1549
01:30:34,439 --> 01:30:35,200
Speaker 1: don't they do a.

1550
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:36,960
Speaker 2: Play, yes, is it the rehearsal?

1551
01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:39,400
Speaker 3: No? No, No's you're correct, Nathan.

1552
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:44,400
Speaker 4: For you the Smoker's Welcome episode possibly possibly the best episode.

1553
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:48,679
Speaker 3: Yes, very indeed, Yes, I.

1554
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:51,280
Speaker 2: Love it, and I think we only did did we

1555
01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 2: do just one?

1556
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:52,760
Speaker 3: Just one?

1557
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:55,439
Speaker 4: So I think that I think the Tavern Rakes went

1558
01:30:55,439 --> 01:30:58,160
Speaker 4: on to start doing multiple performances. But when I was

1559
01:30:58,160 --> 01:31:04,320
Speaker 4: brought on the the the gimmick, so to speak, was

1560
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:06,559
Speaker 4: that this this was a one night only. They were

1561
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:08,920
Speaker 4: one night only original plays, so it was like, you

1562
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:12,719
Speaker 4: have to be there, and that's so cool in theory,

1563
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:16,760
Speaker 4: but what an immense amount of work goes into that

1564
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:18,960
Speaker 4: ephemeral experience.

1565
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:21,679
Speaker 2: At the time it did, I was like, oh, yeah,

1566
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 2: one show, that makes sense, But like, looking back, it's

1567
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:27,320
Speaker 2: like we did like I don't know, two months of

1568
01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:31,840
Speaker 2: rehearsals or something like that for just one show. I mean,

1569
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:34,599
Speaker 2: it's crazy. Yeah, we didn't have anything better to do,

1570
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:37,240
Speaker 2: and I thought it turned out great, But it is

1571
01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:37,799
Speaker 2: just funny.

1572
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 4: A lot of friendships that have I've really maintained. I

1573
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:42,439
Speaker 4: live in New York now, so I'm still friends with

1574
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:46,720
Speaker 4: Julian and Rachel they lived there. Tom Myers obviously is

1575
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:49,880
Speaker 4: a big part of my life. So it was a

1576
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:53,519
Speaker 4: wonderful time and and look, look where it's led.

1577
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:54,639
Speaker 3: Now we're speaking here.

1578
01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:58,479
Speaker 2: You're a guest on my movie podcast. Who to thunk it?

1579
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:02,400
Speaker 2: Just craziness. Now, let's get into a little bit of

1580
01:32:02,439 --> 01:32:07,519
Speaker 2: why you're here, your expertise, and when the expertise you

1581
01:32:07,560 --> 01:32:09,519
Speaker 2: sent me I got. I was very excited about this.

1582
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:13,599
Speaker 2: You said you wanted to do depictions of fake movies

1583
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:19,840
Speaker 2: in movies, with an emphasis on horror movies. Now, can

1584
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:24,839
Speaker 2: you kind of explain where this passion came from?

1585
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:28,479
Speaker 4: Yes? Now, before I begin, I should give the caveat that.

1586
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:31,439
Speaker 4: At this point I know every guest gives, which is

1587
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:34,240
Speaker 4: I don't really consider myself an expert on this topic,

1588
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:38,280
Speaker 4: but it is. So it's sort of like every audio

1589
01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:42,280
Speaker 4: commentary DVD audio commentary had someone starting to talk about

1590
01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:44,440
Speaker 4: the ending and then someone else say no, no, no, no spoilers,

1591
01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:47,160
Speaker 4: and then every single time would be Hey, if they're

1592
01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:49,840
Speaker 4: watching this before they've seen the movie, they deserve to

1593
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:53,400
Speaker 4: have it spoiled. That's an area of expertise. That's an

1594
01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:54,599
Speaker 4: area that I am an expert on.

1595
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:55,720
Speaker 3: All the weird.

1596
01:32:57,120 --> 01:32:59,840
Speaker 4: Habits people would have on DVD audio commentaries.

1597
01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:02,160
Speaker 2: But I don't listen to enough that I used to

1598
01:33:02,240 --> 01:33:04,760
Speaker 2: listen to so many DVD audio commentaries. I don't that

1599
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:06,960
Speaker 2: is not a part of my practice anymore. And you

1600
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:07,760
Speaker 2: guys know.

1601
01:33:08,040 --> 01:33:11,799
Speaker 1: I've done them. I do them kind of often for money.

1602
01:33:12,280 --> 01:33:14,120
Speaker 3: But you do it? Do you do that more than

1603
01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:15,000
Speaker 3: listening to them?

1604
01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:19,639
Speaker 1: MILLI yeah, yes, I mean, like I mean, I'm gonna

1605
01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:21,760
Speaker 1: be completely honest with you, Yes, I mean there's like

1606
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 1: a couple of actually there is a there's a couple

1607
01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:28,240
Speaker 1: of commentaries that I've listened to multiple times because there

1608
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:32,240
Speaker 1: have been like they're like legendary commentary type of things,

1609
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:34,559
Speaker 1: but those are kind of few and far between at

1610
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:36,800
Speaker 1: this point. I don't know. I only watch them now

1611
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:40,920
Speaker 1: if I'm doing heavy research on something, you know, for

1612
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:43,800
Speaker 1: like writing or something. But yeah, I mean now it's

1613
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:46,599
Speaker 1: like I don't know. Sometimes I just skip them.

1614
01:33:46,680 --> 01:33:48,519
Speaker 4: For I do have a theory on this, which is

1615
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:51,639
Speaker 4: because I was a huge audio commentary fan and this,

1616
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:56,760
Speaker 4: what we are doing right now, has replaced audio commentaries.

1617
01:33:56,880 --> 01:34:00,599
Speaker 4: It was a great way to hear filmmakers, house on

1618
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:05,120
Speaker 4: the world of filmmaking, or just like people that you

1619
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:07,720
Speaker 4: like hanging out with each other and cracking jokes and

1620
01:34:07,720 --> 01:34:11,080
Speaker 4: being funny on an audio format. Well, we have we

1621
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:13,600
Speaker 4: live in that's the world we live in at all.

1622
01:34:13,720 --> 01:34:16,800
Speaker 4: We're constantly listening to audio commentaries throughout our day.

1623
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:21,599
Speaker 2: I think you're one right, Yeah, I mean absolutely, And

1624
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:24,360
Speaker 2: like the decline of physical media, of course, yeah, that's

1625
01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:26,600
Speaker 2: probably something to do with it too. But the I

1626
01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:29,280
Speaker 2: think you're totally right that people are yeah, getting that

1627
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:34,200
Speaker 2: that taste fix film talk, Yeah, that fix elsewhere.

1628
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:39,480
Speaker 1: If what they pay to do them now is indicative

1629
01:34:39,479 --> 01:34:43,960
Speaker 1: of that, then it's absolutely true. It is not a

1630
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:45,880
Speaker 1: way to sustain a life. By the way to do

1631
01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:47,400
Speaker 1: audio commentaries.

1632
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:51,320
Speaker 4: Well, DVD audio commentaries need ZIP recruiter ads, and I

1633
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:54,479
Speaker 4: think that then they can maintain their cultural presence.

1634
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:57,080
Speaker 2: But that's not what we're here to speak about. No,

1635
01:34:58,080 --> 01:35:01,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, so where did where did this? Like do

1636
01:35:01,439 --> 01:35:05,120
Speaker 2: you remember the first time you stumbled upon this phenomenon

1637
01:35:05,240 --> 01:35:07,639
Speaker 2: or like where this sort of began?

1638
01:35:08,040 --> 01:35:10,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean it certainly began when you posed

1639
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:12,960
Speaker 4: the question to me, Hey, would you be on my

1640
01:35:13,080 --> 01:35:16,320
Speaker 4: wonderful podcast? And I said, of course, And like, this

1641
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:18,760
Speaker 4: is such a great assignment. What is an area of

1642
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:21,240
Speaker 4: expertise that I have? And I'm sure there are so many,

1643
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:25,680
Speaker 4: but drew an immediate blake. However, that's very same night

1644
01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:30,360
Speaker 4: I was watching the nineteen eighty eight remake of The Blob,

1645
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:34,640
Speaker 4: and in that film there is a in reference to

1646
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:36,439
Speaker 4: the original film, there is a sequence set in a

1647
01:35:36,439 --> 01:35:40,639
Speaker 4: movie theater. There's a big sequence in the remake set

1648
01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:42,559
Speaker 4: in a movie theater, and they're seeing a film called

1649
01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:48,120
Speaker 4: Garden Tool Massacre. And the irony here being that the

1650
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:51,920
Speaker 4: only scene that we see the killer is using a

1651
01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:55,000
Speaker 4: hair curler like a curling iron as their weapon, so

1652
01:35:55,200 --> 01:35:58,760
Speaker 4: no garden Tool insidre. But nonetheless this showed up and

1653
01:35:58,760 --> 01:36:01,479
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, wait a second. I love it

1654
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:04,759
Speaker 4: when I see a movie within a movie. The fake

1655
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:07,920
Speaker 4: movie like this is something that always works for me

1656
01:36:08,120 --> 01:36:11,920
Speaker 4: one hundred percent of the time. And to actually answer

1657
01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:15,479
Speaker 4: your question, I think that this goes back to the

1658
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:18,680
Speaker 4: movie that you know. If this was Family Feud and

1659
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:20,920
Speaker 4: the topic was fake movies within the movies, I think

1660
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:23,040
Speaker 4: number one with a bullet, the one that everyone would

1661
01:36:23,080 --> 01:36:25,200
Speaker 4: say and correct me if you disagree, but that would

1662
01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:28,519
Speaker 4: be Angels with Filthy Souls and Angels with Filthier Souls

1663
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:32,719
Speaker 4: from Home alone. I think this is most people's first

1664
01:36:32,760 --> 01:36:34,480
Speaker 4: exposure to the concept.

1665
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:35,160
Speaker 3: Of a movie within a movie.

1666
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:37,479
Speaker 4: Even if if you ask most normies. A lot of

1667
01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:40,000
Speaker 4: people think that these movies were real. I certainly did

1668
01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:44,320
Speaker 4: when I was a kid. But yeah, Angels with filthy souls,

1669
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:48,960
Speaker 4: Angels with filthier souls. Obviously, if your audience requires any

1670
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:51,639
Speaker 4: context or preamble, these are the movies that young Kevin

1671
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:56,759
Speaker 4: McAllister is too young to be watching. But he's home alone,

1672
01:36:57,120 --> 01:36:59,400
Speaker 4: so of course he has access to these vhs states,

1673
01:36:59,439 --> 01:37:01,479
Speaker 4: which is so cute and quaint like nowadays, like the

1674
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:03,720
Speaker 4: idea that a kid, an eight year old shouldn't be

1675
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:05,880
Speaker 4: watching a noir film from a.

1676
01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:08,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it is funny, like the idea that

1677
01:37:08,520 --> 01:37:12,120
Speaker 2: like that's the movie they chose to be like, he

1678
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:15,840
Speaker 2: can't watch this one because it's too violent, whereas like

1679
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:19,760
Speaker 2: in reality it would be something like I don't know,

1680
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:23,080
Speaker 2: Starship Troopers or something, or like something like or a

1681
01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:23,519
Speaker 2: horror movie.

1682
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:25,360
Speaker 3: They typically go horror movie.

1683
01:37:25,400 --> 01:37:28,400
Speaker 4: That's it, that's the And in the Blob it's two

1684
01:37:28,479 --> 01:37:31,080
Speaker 4: young kids who are like sneaking into the movie and

1685
01:37:31,120 --> 01:37:33,040
Speaker 4: they're like, they're not supposed to see it because it's

1686
01:37:33,040 --> 01:37:36,719
Speaker 4: this you know, cliche nineteen eighties slasher film.

1687
01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:39,240
Speaker 3: But in home alone, he's watching.

1688
01:37:39,080 --> 01:37:42,280
Speaker 4: A noir film called Angels with Filthy Soldiers play on

1689
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:45,760
Speaker 4: Angels with dirty Faces. I believe from nineteen thirty eight.

1690
01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:47,680
Speaker 4: I haven't actually seen it, but I did do some

1691
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:48,920
Speaker 4: research before this conversation.

1692
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:49,360
Speaker 2: You've seen it?

1693
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:50,479
Speaker 3: How was it?

1694
01:37:50,520 --> 01:37:53,799
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, yeah, it's good, it's good, it's good. It's

1695
01:37:53,800 --> 01:37:57,240
Speaker 1: a classic. As I say so. Uh but yeah, no,

1696
01:37:57,400 --> 01:37:59,960
Speaker 1: I that isn't actually the first thing that I think

1697
01:38:00,280 --> 01:38:02,439
Speaker 1: of when when I saw what your topic was going

1698
01:38:02,479 --> 01:38:03,680
Speaker 1: to be like, and.

1699
01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:07,599
Speaker 2: That that was number one on my non horror movie, right,

1700
01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:10,600
Speaker 2: But like I was going to ask, like you you

1701
01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:13,439
Speaker 2: wanted to do an emphasis on horror movies, which one

1702
01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:16,519
Speaker 2: which which is the most prominent in your mind of

1703
01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:20,960
Speaker 2: that category. I have one that I have like one

1704
01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:23,360
Speaker 2: with number one with a bullet for me, the fake

1705
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:24,160
Speaker 2: I want to hear it.

1706
01:38:24,240 --> 01:38:25,800
Speaker 4: I want to you go first. I wonder if it's

1707
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:26,599
Speaker 4: the same one as mine.

1708
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:32,719
Speaker 2: Stab Horror, Yes, yes, that was my because I love

1709
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:36,080
Speaker 2: I also love the movie within the movie and there

1710
01:38:36,200 --> 01:38:39,360
Speaker 2: I think I could be wrong, but I think Scream

1711
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:42,400
Speaker 2: three also is about a movie, or it might be

1712
01:38:42,439 --> 01:38:45,160
Speaker 2: about stab you the making of Stab two.

1713
01:38:45,320 --> 01:38:48,800
Speaker 4: Okay, I actually don't remember if it's explicitly Stab two,

1714
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:54,160
Speaker 4: but yes, post Scream two, the Stab franchise plays a

1715
01:38:54,160 --> 01:39:01,320
Speaker 4: pretty crucial role in the meta narrative of the Scream films.

1716
01:39:01,360 --> 01:39:05,400
Speaker 4: But yes, we open with seeing Stab, the premiere of Stab,

1717
01:39:05,680 --> 01:39:08,759
Speaker 4: or a premiere of Stab, like a local premiere of Stab.

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01:39:09,200 --> 01:39:13,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I do like a fake movie within a

1719
01:39:13,120 --> 01:39:18,879
Speaker 2: movie because it's like it's almost like double like exciting

1720
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:22,080
Speaker 2: or something. It's like it feels amped up. Yeah, like

1721
01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:24,680
Speaker 2: it's not a real movie. A lot of times it

1722
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:27,160
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like like in Home Alone that actually felt

1723
01:39:27,240 --> 01:39:30,200
Speaker 2: like a real movie, the first one, the Angels with

1724
01:39:30,240 --> 01:39:35,720
Speaker 2: Filthy Souls, But like Stab feels like a movie on

1725
01:39:36,040 --> 01:39:39,080
Speaker 2: like cocaine or something like. It just feels like amped

1726
01:39:39,120 --> 01:39:39,960
Speaker 2: up for some reason.

1727
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:40,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1728
01:39:40,240 --> 01:39:43,080
Speaker 4: Well it's so funny because like, and we can talk.

1729
01:39:43,160 --> 01:39:47,120
Speaker 4: We'll talk about this further, I'm sure. But when it

1730
01:39:47,160 --> 01:39:50,760
Speaker 4: comes to the fake movie, sometimes they're done satirically, like

1731
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:53,160
Speaker 4: as a way to like make fun of a genre

1732
01:39:53,200 --> 01:39:55,960
Speaker 4: or a type of movie. Other Times they are done

1733
01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:58,519
Speaker 4: I think as a way for a filmmaker to be

1734
01:39:58,640 --> 01:40:01,600
Speaker 4: able to play in spaces they don't really get the

1735
01:40:01,600 --> 01:40:03,960
Speaker 4: opportunity to, or for something like we could talk about

1736
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:05,840
Speaker 4: like a Hail Caesar for example, I think that was

1737
01:40:05,880 --> 01:40:07,960
Speaker 4: like the Cohen's going like, we would love to do

1738
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:09,320
Speaker 4: this kind of sequence. We would love to do this

1739
01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:11,479
Speaker 4: kind of sequens. Where could we put them, Well, let's

1740
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:14,160
Speaker 4: just do the movie about movies and we put.

1741
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:14,639
Speaker 3: Them all in there.

1742
01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:18,000
Speaker 4: But STAB is so interesting because it's doing the satirical

1743
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:22,240
Speaker 4: movie aspect but within its own It's like a meta

1744
01:40:22,240 --> 01:40:26,439
Speaker 4: commentary on its own franchise, within the fake franchise within

1745
01:40:26,520 --> 01:40:28,040
Speaker 4: that movie.

1746
01:40:28,880 --> 01:40:29,680
Speaker 3: And also just.

1747
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:32,640
Speaker 4: Like I keep saying meta, but like meta textually, I

1748
01:40:32,640 --> 01:40:34,960
Speaker 4: think I'm using that correctly. It's so funny just to

1749
01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:40,080
Speaker 4: think of STAB as within the world of Scream. Stab

1750
01:40:40,280 --> 01:40:44,960
Speaker 4: the move of vast franchise are all based on real

1751
01:40:45,080 --> 01:40:47,960
Speaker 4: murders that are like, yeah, actually a curry, or at

1752
01:40:48,040 --> 01:40:49,599
Speaker 4: least the first one is. I don't know how much

1753
01:40:49,640 --> 01:40:52,240
Speaker 4: the later STAB. This is actually a good question, how

1754
01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:55,000
Speaker 4: much the later STAB movies within the world of Scream

1755
01:40:55,560 --> 01:40:59,840
Speaker 4: do they continue to is STAB to basically scream to

1756
01:41:00,160 --> 01:41:03,439
Speaker 4: the reality? Yeah, yeah, exactly, because it seems based I

1757
01:41:03,479 --> 01:41:07,000
Speaker 4: don't know. Now, I've only watched Scream five also known

1758
01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:13,000
Speaker 4: as Scream once, uh and I as Texas Chains.

1759
01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:13,599
Speaker 2: I'm asking a guy.

1760
01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:16,559
Speaker 4: I can't really harp on that too much, but sure,

1761
01:41:17,479 --> 01:41:20,679
Speaker 4: but nonetheless, like I I, I can't, I don't remember

1762
01:41:20,680 --> 01:41:23,720
Speaker 4: that movie as well, but it seems based on like

1763
01:41:24,720 --> 01:41:29,160
Speaker 4: why the killers in that one are are their motivations

1764
01:41:29,160 --> 01:41:31,120
Speaker 4: for kind of correcting the franchise. It seems like the

1765
01:41:31,120 --> 01:41:34,439
Speaker 4: Staff franchise has kind of gone off the rails, so

1766
01:41:34,439 --> 01:41:39,480
Speaker 4: it's probably no longer tied to the original murders themselves.

1767
01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:44,920
Speaker 4: But yeah, I did also think it was just so crazy,

1768
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:49,160
Speaker 4: just a funny aspect is like you have this very

1769
01:41:49,160 --> 01:41:51,960
Speaker 4: popular slasher horror movie franchise that are literally based on

1770
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:54,559
Speaker 4: murders that are happening. That's so crazy. But then I

1771
01:41:54,600 --> 01:41:57,800
Speaker 4: remember that like, probably one of the longest franchises, if

1772
01:41:57,800 --> 01:42:01,559
Speaker 4: you can even call that today, is the Amityville movies.

1773
01:42:02,200 --> 01:42:06,360
Speaker 4: That's true, and those are based on a real uh

1774
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:11,519
Speaker 4: at least a couple different murders as the as the

1775
01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:14,280
Speaker 4: starting point, So I guess that is It's is. I

1776
01:42:14,320 --> 01:42:16,519
Speaker 4: always thought this was so ridiculous, but only just like

1777
01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:18,439
Speaker 4: an hour ago did I remember Amityville. I was like, Oh,

1778
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:20,400
Speaker 4: I guess there is some real world precedent.

1779
01:42:20,479 --> 01:42:22,559
Speaker 1: What are you all thoughts on this? I'm sure this

1780
01:42:22,680 --> 01:42:25,439
Speaker 1: was probably going to come up at some point, but

1781
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:32,520
Speaker 1: the whole Grindhouse juggernaut of the fake movies.

1782
01:42:32,160 --> 01:42:34,240
Speaker 2: That were just down to to turn into real.

1783
01:42:34,080 --> 01:42:40,000
Speaker 1: Movies, right because there was like Machette Thanksgiving in Hoble

1784
01:42:40,040 --> 01:42:43,920
Speaker 1: with a Shotgun that got turned into actual movies.

1785
01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:48,240
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, I think only one hasn't Is that correct?

1786
01:42:48,400 --> 01:42:53,400
Speaker 4: Or have they there's the original three or three trailers

1787
01:42:53,760 --> 01:42:56,800
Speaker 4: there was, well, okay, so there let's let's remember this.

1788
01:42:56,880 --> 01:43:00,000
Speaker 4: So there's Machete I believe that started that played before

1789
01:43:00,040 --> 01:43:04,720
Speaker 4: for Grindhouse. That one obviously became two movies, Machete and

1790
01:43:04,720 --> 01:43:10,439
Speaker 4: MACHETI two, there was Thanksgiving, which became Thanksgiving, and then

1791
01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:14,360
Speaker 4: You're all Right with a Shotgun, which I believe started

1792
01:43:14,360 --> 01:43:18,439
Speaker 4: off as a there was a contest where you would

1793
01:43:18,520 --> 01:43:22,040
Speaker 4: make a Grindhouse trailer and the best one would play

1794
01:43:22,360 --> 01:43:24,439
Speaker 4: in front of the movie. And so Chehovo with the

1795
01:43:24,439 --> 01:43:27,639
Speaker 4: Shotgun was a contest winner by the director I forget

1796
01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:30,960
Speaker 4: the name of the director. Distents some very cool stuff

1797
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:34,160
Speaker 4: that then was turned into a feature film. And then

1798
01:43:34,200 --> 01:43:38,719
Speaker 4: so the two that Aren't Our Edgar Wrights Don't, which

1799
01:43:38,760 --> 01:43:43,680
Speaker 4: is my favorite, that's my favorite of the bunch, and.

1800
01:43:44,200 --> 01:43:50,360
Speaker 1: Rob Zombies one. It's the Werewolf, Yeah, with Nick Cage

1801
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:55,040
Speaker 1: as a Fu Manchu. So yeah, and that's I just

1802
01:43:55,120 --> 01:43:56,920
Speaker 1: thought this was so interesting because I remember at the

1803
01:43:56,960 --> 01:43:59,360
Speaker 1: time I saw Grindhouse in the theater when it came out,

1804
01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:03,000
Speaker 1: thinking that those trailer trailers were brilliant, Like I was like, oh,

1805
01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:09,920
Speaker 1: don't especially being like so like actually brilliant and look

1806
01:44:10,080 --> 01:44:13,760
Speaker 1: like a Hammer movie mixed with like a Jallo and

1807
01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:16,519
Speaker 1: just the whole thing. And I was like, And then

1808
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:19,559
Speaker 1: when they started making them, I was like, oh my god,

1809
01:44:19,680 --> 01:44:22,040
Speaker 1: they got to make Don't that's such a great And

1810
01:44:22,080 --> 01:44:24,720
Speaker 1: then they didn't, and I was like, oh, bummer, there

1811
01:44:27,400 --> 01:44:27,759
Speaker 1: we listen.

1812
01:44:27,800 --> 01:44:28,120
Speaker 2: I saw a.

1813
01:44:28,160 --> 01:44:31,120
Speaker 1: Running Man last night. He caned, Oh yeah, he should

1814
01:44:31,160 --> 01:44:34,200
Speaker 1: definitely make Don't Like come on, I would I would

1815
01:44:34,320 --> 01:44:36,120
Speaker 1: put that at the top of the list if I

1816
01:44:36,240 --> 01:44:40,040
Speaker 1: was him. So, but those are fun, and I was

1817
01:44:40,240 --> 01:44:43,000
Speaker 1: I was thinking, like, are there, out of all of

1818
01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:46,200
Speaker 1: these examples that we provided our movie stuff, we haven't

1819
01:44:46,200 --> 01:44:50,719
Speaker 1: even talked about, are there movies that you fake movies

1820
01:44:51,120 --> 01:44:54,800
Speaker 1: in the movie that you wish would actually become a movie? Yeah?

1821
01:44:54,840 --> 01:44:57,000
Speaker 4: I mean, honest, I mean, my honest, actual answer is

1822
01:44:57,040 --> 01:44:59,360
Speaker 4: the Angels with Filthy Soul franchise.

1823
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:01,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1824
01:45:01,800 --> 01:45:03,519
Speaker 4: Actually, this is really good because I'm looking at them,

1825
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:07,120
Speaker 4: and truthfully, actually, other than those, maybe not really. I

1826
01:45:07,160 --> 01:45:09,120
Speaker 4: mean a lot of like just out of curiosity, but

1827
01:45:09,160 --> 01:45:10,800
Speaker 4: I don't know how many of them are like, Oh,

1828
01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:13,080
Speaker 4: that actually seems like a great movie that I would

1829
01:45:13,120 --> 01:45:15,599
Speaker 4: want to watch. I mean, actually, okay, actually the Hail

1830
01:45:15,640 --> 01:45:17,600
Speaker 4: Caesar movies actually almost all of them.

1831
01:45:17,640 --> 01:45:20,599
Speaker 3: I would really see, Lazy Old Moon being I.

1832
01:45:20,479 --> 01:45:26,519
Speaker 4: Think my favorite, starring Hobby Doyle played by Alden Ninerch

1833
01:45:26,600 --> 01:45:27,280
Speaker 4: I think that's his name.

1834
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:28,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, ye, Hail.

1835
01:45:28,520 --> 01:45:33,680
Speaker 4: Caesar itself seems like a really great biblical epic. I'm

1836
01:45:33,720 --> 01:45:36,360
Speaker 4: not as much into Merrily We Dance. It's those kind

1837
01:45:36,400 --> 01:45:39,720
Speaker 4: of like a nineteen thirties style, Like I guess the

1838
01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:43,880
Speaker 4: movie is not necessarily thirty, but those paramount like really

1839
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:50,000
Speaker 4: glamorous people in very expensive outfits, drinking champagne and martinis

1840
01:45:50,040 --> 01:45:52,280
Speaker 4: and talking about their problems. But it certainly has the place,

1841
01:45:52,320 --> 01:45:55,400
Speaker 4: but just certainly not not the kind of thing that

1842
01:45:55,439 --> 01:45:57,639
Speaker 4: I'm most attracted to. But yes, to actually answer your question,

1843
01:45:57,680 --> 01:45:59,360
Speaker 4: the Hail Caesar ones are ones that I think, like,

1844
01:45:59,400 --> 01:46:01,760
Speaker 4: these are all movie that I would genuinely love to watch.

1845
01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:05,080
Speaker 4: What I don't think it has a title named within

1846
01:46:05,120 --> 01:46:11,519
Speaker 4: the movie, but the the sort of anchors away Channing Tatum. Yes, great,

1847
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:14,000
Speaker 4: he seems great. That's the best sequence of them in

1848
01:46:14,040 --> 01:46:15,160
Speaker 4: the movie by far.

1849
01:46:15,560 --> 01:46:17,800
Speaker 2: Millie, did you have MILLI did you have a movie

1850
01:46:17,800 --> 01:46:20,439
Speaker 2: that a fake movie that you thought would be.

1851
01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:25,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to think of what so

1852
01:46:25,320 --> 01:46:28,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I have to say this topic has come

1853
01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:31,760
Speaker 1: up like so much for me right now because I'm

1854
01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:36,599
Speaker 1: actually doing a entire rewatch of thirty Rock, the TV

1855
01:46:36,640 --> 01:46:40,320
Speaker 1: show thirty Rock, and they have fake movies and TV

1856
01:46:40,400 --> 01:46:44,680
Speaker 1: shows in that so much that it's just constantly on

1857
01:46:44,720 --> 01:46:46,400
Speaker 1: the brain. So I was already sleep.

1858
01:46:46,320 --> 01:46:49,800
Speaker 2: Dave Williams, like the Late Day Williams.

1859
01:46:49,479 --> 01:46:52,000
Speaker 3: Of like who that Ninja?

1860
01:46:52,120 --> 01:46:57,160
Speaker 1: Like it's fucking brilliant. But I was thinking of I

1861
01:46:57,240 --> 01:46:59,960
Speaker 1: wasn't thinking of horror. I was thinking about comedy stuff.

1862
01:47:00,400 --> 01:47:03,960
Speaker 1: And do you remember in Boogie Nights how there was

1863
01:47:04,040 --> 01:47:09,400
Speaker 1: a lot like a lot of uh Brocklanders properties that

1864
01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:11,559
Speaker 1: were happening inside of Bookie Nights.

1865
01:47:11,600 --> 01:47:14,719
Speaker 3: Well, that's that's of course, an angel lives in my town.

1866
01:47:15,400 --> 01:47:19,280
Speaker 2: That's a whole other thing is like fake porn movies

1867
01:47:19,840 --> 01:47:20,320
Speaker 2: in movies.

1868
01:47:20,360 --> 01:47:24,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's like so we could you know, go down.

1869
01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:25,479
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1870
01:47:25,520 --> 01:47:30,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, I remember the fake, the fake Brocklanders movie,

1871
01:47:30,280 --> 01:47:33,120
Speaker 1: and I was like, they should just make the whole

1872
01:47:33,160 --> 01:47:35,040
Speaker 1: fucking thing and it would be so good.

1873
01:47:35,320 --> 01:47:37,360
Speaker 2: That would be good. I would watch that.

1874
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:40,439
Speaker 3: You mentioned thirty Rocks, So that opens up.

1875
01:47:40,479 --> 01:47:43,720
Speaker 4: So there's TV shows which I didn't think fit the

1876
01:47:43,720 --> 01:47:46,320
Speaker 4: prompt because I was I was thinking, of course, of

1877
01:47:46,360 --> 01:47:51,200
Speaker 4: all the wonderful fake movies from Entourage, which I, as

1878
01:47:51,360 --> 01:47:54,400
Speaker 4: a millennial young man, of course, went through my Entourage face,

1879
01:47:55,920 --> 01:47:59,800
Speaker 4: which started off as earnest before slowly turning into what

1880
01:47:59,840 --> 01:48:00,720
Speaker 4: am I doing here?

1881
01:48:00,760 --> 01:48:00,920
Speaker 1: Oh?

1882
01:48:00,960 --> 01:48:03,000
Speaker 2: I used to really like that show. I think I

1883
01:48:03,200 --> 01:48:05,719
Speaker 2: was like the first three seasons show.

1884
01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:06,760
Speaker 3: To watch with your boys, you know.

1885
01:48:07,200 --> 01:48:12,200
Speaker 2: Yeah with boys exactly for getting to La. Yeah, yeah, exactly,

1886
01:48:12,240 --> 01:48:14,200
Speaker 2: it was. I think I did start watching that before

1887
01:48:14,240 --> 01:48:16,160
Speaker 2: I moved to Los Angeles. I was like, this is

1888
01:48:16,200 --> 01:48:16,680
Speaker 2: what it's like.

1889
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:19,680
Speaker 4: And I live in New York now, so of course

1890
01:48:19,720 --> 01:48:22,439
Speaker 4: I have ample opportunity to drop a lot of you kidding,

1891
01:48:22,920 --> 01:48:24,440
Speaker 4: I am Queen's Boulevard.

1892
01:48:24,720 --> 01:48:28,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Queen's Boulevard, that's right, the fake. Yeah. As we're

1893
01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:32,000
Speaker 2: wrapping up here, were there any other standout movies within

1894
01:48:32,080 --> 01:48:33,280
Speaker 2: movies that we haven't touched.

1895
01:48:33,400 --> 01:48:34,759
Speaker 3: Oh, of course, yes I can.

1896
01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:36,720
Speaker 4: I it would be remiss if I did not get

1897
01:48:36,720 --> 01:48:39,240
Speaker 4: to speak about my number one, my fav Actually yeah,

1898
01:48:39,280 --> 01:48:42,720
Speaker 4: probably Honestly, the answer to your question, which is my

1899
01:48:42,840 --> 01:48:45,040
Speaker 4: favorite fake movie within a movie, the one that I

1900
01:48:45,040 --> 01:48:48,680
Speaker 4: think is also most successful is co Ed Frenzy and

1901
01:48:48,880 --> 01:48:53,080
Speaker 4: Brian de Palma's Blowout. So if yes, this is the

1902
01:48:53,080 --> 01:48:56,280
Speaker 4: film that opens, it opens our picture, and it is

1903
01:48:56,360 --> 01:48:58,519
Speaker 4: I think the classic example of like a filmmaker who

1904
01:48:58,600 --> 01:49:02,919
Speaker 4: I mean Brian de Palma. He certainly dabbles in lurid material,

1905
01:49:03,840 --> 01:49:07,679
Speaker 4: but he's never done just like a straight cheap you know, slasher,

1906
01:49:07,720 --> 01:49:10,720
Speaker 4: and I think he loves those movies. So this is

1907
01:49:10,720 --> 01:49:13,360
Speaker 4: his opportunity to just do like I'm going to start

1908
01:49:13,400 --> 01:49:16,439
Speaker 4: my movie like the beginning of Halloween point of view

1909
01:49:16,439 --> 01:49:22,040
Speaker 4: shot from the Killer. He's stalking a sorority house I guess,

1910
01:49:23,760 --> 01:49:25,920
Speaker 4: or just like a dorm room. And it's, like I said,

1911
01:49:25,960 --> 01:49:28,800
Speaker 4: it's the single unbroken take of this guy like looking

1912
01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:31,720
Speaker 4: in the windows. We're catching like glimpses of It's a

1913
01:49:31,800 --> 01:49:35,200
Speaker 4: very complex oner because it's Brian to Palmer obviously, but

1914
01:49:35,240 --> 01:49:37,840
Speaker 4: it has this like really chinsy like since school and

1915
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:40,360
Speaker 4: like the acting is so kind of over the top

1916
01:49:40,479 --> 01:49:43,479
Speaker 4: and it's like really cheap looking, but it's still a

1917
01:49:43,560 --> 01:49:47,759
Speaker 4: master filmmaker is at the helm of this. It finally

1918
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:51,519
Speaker 4: culminates in a reveal of the killer, which makes no

1919
01:49:51,720 --> 01:49:54,760
Speaker 4: sense narratively for the film itself, just like you would

1920
01:49:54,760 --> 01:49:56,759
Speaker 4: probably I mean, I would love to see where it goes,

1921
01:49:57,200 --> 01:49:58,920
Speaker 4: but it's like you would probably save this reveal for

1922
01:49:59,040 --> 01:50:00,960
Speaker 4: later in the movie. But we're getting a e glipse

1923
01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:03,479
Speaker 4: of him and you just see this like how to

1924
01:50:03,520 --> 01:50:07,120
Speaker 4: describe it, I don't know, very nerdy looking, like the

1925
01:50:07,600 --> 01:50:10,800
Speaker 4: last guy you would ever expect to like reveal himself

1926
01:50:10,840 --> 01:50:12,800
Speaker 4: in front of a mirror. Like so we see the

1927
01:50:12,840 --> 01:50:16,320
Speaker 4: killer with the knife, but it's so hilarious that you

1928
01:50:16,400 --> 01:50:19,040
Speaker 4: forgive it and that it all builds up to he's

1929
01:50:19,080 --> 01:50:21,360
Speaker 4: about to the killer is about to kill a girl

1930
01:50:21,479 --> 01:50:23,920
Speaker 4: in a shower and the actress screams, and it's a

1931
01:50:24,040 --> 01:50:27,920
Speaker 4: very pathetic, hilarious just like ineffective scream. This is the

1932
01:50:28,439 --> 01:50:30,960
Speaker 4: exciting incident for the rest of the movie, which is

1933
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Speaker 4: John Travolta, the sound mixer editor of this film, has

1934
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Speaker 4: to record a new scream, get some new sound effects,

1935
01:50:40,320 --> 01:50:43,880
Speaker 4: and this sequence acts as a bookend to probably just

1936
01:50:43,880 --> 01:50:48,000
Speaker 4: one of the most perfectly structured thrillers Hollywood has ever produced,

1937
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:50,479
Speaker 4: where I genuinely don't want to give spoilers here because

1938
01:50:50,479 --> 01:50:51,880
Speaker 4: I love the movie so much, but like he does,

1939
01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:55,240
Speaker 4: eventually he gets that scream and it's very powerful, and

1940
01:50:55,280 --> 01:50:58,400
Speaker 4: it's very effective and it's very emotional. So just in

1941
01:50:58,479 --> 01:51:00,880
Speaker 4: terms of like the fake movie within the movie that

1942
01:51:01,960 --> 01:51:05,679
Speaker 4: is so important to the movie itself, that is also

1943
01:51:05,720 --> 01:51:07,720
Speaker 4: so entertaining, and I mean it acts as basically a.

1944
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Speaker 3: Short film on its own.

1945
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Speaker 4: And it's a horror movie, so it really fits the

1946
01:51:12,880 --> 01:51:17,519
Speaker 4: premise that I initially started speaking about. So yeah, I

1947
01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:19,080
Speaker 4: definitely want to talk about that. And then finally I

1948
01:51:19,120 --> 01:51:22,920
Speaker 4: guess agree. I love The Player has a bunch. The

1949
01:51:22,960 --> 01:51:25,640
Speaker 4: Player is definitely more of like the satirical version, like

1950
01:51:25,680 --> 01:51:28,360
Speaker 4: that movie opens with another one er where a bunch

1951
01:51:28,360 --> 01:51:31,920
Speaker 4: of people are talking about movies, potential movie sequels to

1952
01:51:32,439 --> 01:51:35,519
Speaker 4: the Graduate or other movies just sound ridiculous, like parodies

1953
01:51:35,520 --> 01:51:37,320
Speaker 4: of the kind of movies that like nineteen the late

1954
01:51:37,360 --> 01:51:38,600
Speaker 4: eighties early nineties.

1955
01:51:38,280 --> 01:51:39,040
Speaker 2: Would be producing.

1956
01:51:39,200 --> 01:51:42,000
Speaker 4: But then there's also Habeas Corpus, the film within a film,

1957
01:51:42,240 --> 01:51:44,559
Speaker 4: which is all about the death penalty, and it's about

1958
01:51:44,800 --> 01:51:48,960
Speaker 4: real feelings and real characters and like real tragedy, and

1959
01:51:49,000 --> 01:51:50,760
Speaker 4: of course through the movie you see the way that

1960
01:51:50,800 --> 01:51:56,680
Speaker 4: the Hollywood system kind of corrupts these pure desire for

1961
01:51:57,360 --> 01:51:59,559
Speaker 4: art and turns it into commercial entertainment. He's talking about

1962
01:51:59,560 --> 01:52:01,840
Speaker 4: no star, there's no happy endings. Then we finally see

1963
01:52:01,840 --> 01:52:04,720
Speaker 4: the movie and it's starring Bruce Willis and.

1964
01:52:06,120 --> 01:52:06,799
Speaker 3: Julia Roberts.

1965
01:52:06,840 --> 01:52:11,400
Speaker 4: Yes, and has this like crazy, ridiculous, stupid ending and

1966
01:52:11,840 --> 01:52:13,679
Speaker 4: the ends of the line traffic was a bitch.

1967
01:52:16,040 --> 01:52:17,040
Speaker 2: That movie is so good.

1968
01:52:17,160 --> 01:52:19,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's great. And Griff it's uh, you know. Tim

1969
01:52:19,439 --> 01:52:23,639
Speaker 4: Robbins plays Griffin Mills, who technically Brian Cranston is playing

1970
01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:27,840
Speaker 4: in the studio the seth Rogan, Is that right?

1971
01:52:27,960 --> 01:52:28,200
Speaker 3: Yes?

1972
01:52:28,320 --> 01:52:30,920
Speaker 4: So I actually can't remember if the name yeah, so,

1973
01:52:31,080 --> 01:52:34,080
Speaker 4: I mean he has the same name. The characters are

1974
01:52:34,120 --> 01:52:38,559
Speaker 4: nothing alike. Yeah, And I don't think the tagline of

1975
01:52:38,600 --> 01:52:40,960
Speaker 4: the studio in the player, which I forget what it's called,

1976
01:52:40,960 --> 01:52:43,479
Speaker 4: but the tagline is movies now more than ever, And

1977
01:52:43,479 --> 01:52:45,439
Speaker 4: there's no reference to that in the studio, which is like,

1978
01:52:45,520 --> 01:52:47,160
Speaker 4: you come on, guys, it's right there.

1979
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Chris, this is so great having you on I

1980
01:52:51,800 --> 01:52:55,080
Speaker 2: love to talking. This is a great area of expertise.

1981
01:52:55,240 --> 01:52:58,000
Speaker 2: What what do you do? You have anything you want

1982
01:52:58,040 --> 01:52:59,240
Speaker 2: to plug right now?

1983
01:52:59,240 --> 01:53:00,759
Speaker 3: I don't know anything.

1984
01:53:00,800 --> 01:53:05,400
Speaker 4: You have a couple, maybe more of a couple. I

1985
01:53:05,439 --> 01:53:08,920
Speaker 4: have a few projects on the horizon, some more real

1986
01:53:08,960 --> 01:53:12,920
Speaker 4: than others. Two very real that I'm very excited about.

1987
01:53:13,120 --> 01:53:17,320
Speaker 4: Can't mention them here, but I could tell you afterwards.

1988
01:53:17,360 --> 01:53:21,160
Speaker 4: But really, nothing to plug. I guess I'm on Instagram.

1989
01:53:21,240 --> 01:53:22,559
Speaker 4: It's the only thing that I really have.

1990
01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:26,320
Speaker 3: Cob see Oh yeah, well yeah, I have movies that exist.

1991
01:53:26,479 --> 01:53:29,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, I don't really get any money from them,

1992
01:53:29,200 --> 01:53:31,920
Speaker 4: like being on streaming, So whatever, watch the movie want.

1993
01:53:32,040 --> 01:53:33,960
Speaker 4: But if you really want to help me out, give

1994
01:53:34,000 --> 01:53:34,959
Speaker 4: them a little download.

1995
01:53:35,200 --> 01:53:40,120
Speaker 3: Go to Apple just pay the twelve. No no, but

1996
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Speaker 3: do any of.

1997
01:53:40,920 --> 01:53:43,040
Speaker 2: Those have like Blu ray releases.

1998
01:53:43,160 --> 01:53:44,599
Speaker 3: Cobweb has a Blu ray release.

1999
01:53:46,280 --> 01:53:49,080
Speaker 4: I've never seen it in a store, but Amazon has it.

2000
01:53:49,280 --> 01:53:52,280
Speaker 2: Okay, but uh.

2001
01:53:51,920 --> 01:53:54,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, to watch watch cob Web, watch Texas James. I'm

2002
01:53:54,960 --> 01:53:55,599
Speaker 3: asking why not?

2003
01:53:55,720 --> 01:53:58,639
Speaker 2: You know, I love them both. But they are great,

2004
01:53:58,720 --> 01:53:59,679
Speaker 2: great horror movies.

2005
01:54:00,040 --> 01:54:00,439
Speaker 3: They're fun.

2006
01:54:00,439 --> 01:54:04,120
Speaker 2: So if you're a fan, they're fun. Thank you, Chris,

2007
01:54:04,160 --> 01:54:07,640
Speaker 2: this is great. Oh did you plug your Instagram.

2008
01:54:07,720 --> 01:54:10,439
Speaker 4: You want to, yeah, Chris devln eighty nine. It's just

2009
01:54:10,479 --> 01:54:14,080
Speaker 4: my personal Instagram there, but that's how I stay connected

2010
01:54:14,080 --> 01:54:14,479
Speaker 4: with people.

2011
01:54:14,479 --> 01:54:16,280
Speaker 2: All right, Well, thank you Chris. This was great.

2012
01:54:16,320 --> 01:54:18,759
Speaker 3: Thank you Chris. That's a blast and a half.

2013
01:54:28,400 --> 01:54:33,240
Speaker 2: All right. Time for film recommendations based on the theme

2014
01:54:33,320 --> 01:54:37,720
Speaker 2: of the discussion today, employees picks, as we call it, Millie,

2015
01:54:37,720 --> 01:54:38,800
Speaker 2: what do you got for us today?

2016
01:54:38,880 --> 01:54:44,240
Speaker 1: Well, this one is an absolute layup. I can't even

2017
01:54:44,280 --> 01:54:47,640
Speaker 1: believe that I'm recommending it because I don't think it

2018
01:54:47,680 --> 01:54:49,440
Speaker 1: needs to be recommended. I feel it needs to be

2019
01:54:49,480 --> 01:54:52,360
Speaker 1: put in the curriculum of our schools. This is how

2020
01:54:52,360 --> 01:54:53,600
Speaker 1: important this movie.

2021
01:54:53,400 --> 01:54:54,120
Speaker 2: Is for me.

2022
01:54:54,600 --> 01:54:56,960
Speaker 1: Been discussed on the show before it has, But I

2023
01:54:56,960 --> 01:55:00,840
Speaker 1: think that the most obvious choice for this week is

2024
01:55:00,880 --> 01:55:06,000
Speaker 1: a movie called Dirty Dancing from nineteen eighty seven, which

2025
01:55:06,040 --> 01:55:12,600
Speaker 1: is also a movie about someone going on vacation and

2026
01:55:12,760 --> 01:55:15,880
Speaker 1: having a little fling that turns into the love of

2027
01:55:15,920 --> 01:55:20,240
Speaker 1: their life. Come on, how baby got her groove back?

2028
01:55:20,360 --> 01:55:23,560
Speaker 2: Let's go. Do you think they stayed together forever?

2029
01:55:25,240 --> 01:55:32,440
Speaker 1: I think about this, No, I do not, because I

2030
01:55:32,600 --> 01:55:36,000
Speaker 1: just feel like there's no fucking way this is happening

2031
01:55:36,040 --> 01:55:39,080
Speaker 1: beyond this romance. Because it's like, first of all, what's

2032
01:55:39,120 --> 01:55:42,360
Speaker 1: he going to do? Move back to Connecticut or wherever

2033
01:55:42,360 --> 01:55:44,400
Speaker 1: the fuck they're from. I don't even know where they're from,

2034
01:55:45,000 --> 01:55:51,800
Speaker 1: No idea New York something like that. He's too much

2035
01:55:51,840 --> 01:55:54,760
Speaker 1: of a greaser to be in that polite society.

2036
01:55:54,760 --> 01:55:55,760
Speaker 2: It'd be like if.

2037
01:55:57,440 --> 01:56:00,800
Speaker 1: Brando from The Wild One was like going to Jane

2038
01:56:00,800 --> 01:56:03,520
Speaker 1: Wyman's house and all that Heaven allows, there's no fucking

2039
01:56:03,600 --> 01:56:05,640
Speaker 1: way he'd exists in that neighborhood.

2040
01:56:06,600 --> 01:56:10,000
Speaker 2: There were elements of How Stella Got Her Groove Back

2041
01:56:10,120 --> 01:56:12,640
Speaker 2: that reminded me of all that Heaven allows. I was

2042
01:56:12,680 --> 01:56:17,760
Speaker 2: thinking about some of that how during in What Way, Well,

2043
01:56:18,360 --> 01:56:22,040
Speaker 2: particularly when it came to the barbecue scene in How

2044
01:56:22,080 --> 01:56:24,080
Speaker 2: Stella Got Her Groove Back, where they're like or just

2045
01:56:24,120 --> 01:56:28,800
Speaker 2: like her friends accepting a younger sexy man in the life,

2046
01:56:28,800 --> 01:56:30,520
Speaker 2: and it's like, what are you doing? Why are you

2047
01:56:30,600 --> 01:56:33,280
Speaker 2: dating this young man? So that that that sort.

2048
01:56:33,160 --> 01:56:35,720
Speaker 1: Of stuff, well that that barbecue he charmed the pants

2049
01:56:35,760 --> 01:56:37,080
Speaker 1: out of everybody.

2050
01:56:36,800 --> 01:56:39,920
Speaker 2: Well he charmed the pants off everyone there. But just

2051
01:56:40,160 --> 01:56:43,840
Speaker 2: there's other things like with her sister in How Stelley

2052
01:56:43,880 --> 01:56:45,360
Speaker 2: Got Her Groove Back, where they're like, why are you

2053
01:56:45,480 --> 01:56:49,600
Speaker 2: dating this guy, I think it's gross, you know, just

2054
01:56:49,600 --> 01:56:51,520
Speaker 2: the judgment from others.

2055
01:56:52,040 --> 01:56:53,880
Speaker 3: Sure that allows.

2056
01:56:53,760 --> 01:56:55,920
Speaker 1: But like in that barbecue, I mean, that's the power

2057
01:56:55,960 --> 01:56:57,720
Speaker 1: of a black barbecue though. I mean it's just that

2058
01:56:57,760 --> 01:57:01,280
Speaker 1: everybody kind of like is they're all equal footing, and

2059
01:57:01,320 --> 01:57:04,400
Speaker 1: they're kind of like having a good time. They're letting

2060
01:57:04,400 --> 01:57:06,320
Speaker 1: bygones be bygones.

2061
01:57:05,800 --> 01:57:06,400
Speaker 2: That kind of thing.

2062
01:57:06,520 --> 01:57:09,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean at one point, Winston is fucking talking

2063
01:57:09,160 --> 01:57:11,520
Speaker 1: to her ex husband like they're chopping it up. But

2064
01:57:11,600 --> 01:57:16,240
Speaker 1: I was like, holy shit, like how is this happening?

2065
01:57:16,480 --> 01:57:19,839
Speaker 1: But that sister is always going to be the little holdout.

2066
01:57:19,880 --> 01:57:23,800
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, like I feel like later when

2067
01:57:23,840 --> 01:57:28,400
Speaker 1: he comes out as you know, gay, and she's gonna

2068
01:57:28,440 --> 01:57:29,680
Speaker 1: have a lot to say about that.

2069
01:57:30,240 --> 01:57:32,400
Speaker 2: He's like I told you is stella?

2070
01:57:32,560 --> 01:57:36,040
Speaker 1: I told you many years agal anyway.

2071
01:57:35,760 --> 01:57:36,080
Speaker 2: Very good.

2072
01:57:36,120 --> 01:57:38,920
Speaker 1: But to answer your question, Johnny Castle is and baby,

2073
01:57:38,960 --> 01:57:39,480
Speaker 1: you're done.

2074
01:57:40,400 --> 01:57:44,560
Speaker 2: I hate to say it, They're done. Continue very good,

2075
01:57:45,240 --> 01:57:49,920
Speaker 2: very good. I have kind of a bizarre not bizarre recommendation,

2076
01:57:50,040 --> 01:57:52,160
Speaker 2: but it's a little bit off the beaten path. Have

2077
01:57:52,240 --> 01:57:55,280
Speaker 2: you ever seen this movie from nineteen seventy one called

2078
01:57:55,840 --> 01:57:57,120
Speaker 2: Summer of forty two?

2079
01:57:57,560 --> 01:58:00,120
Speaker 1: Yes, we programmed it a lot on TCM.

2080
01:58:00,600 --> 01:58:05,320
Speaker 2: Oh really okay with what's the guy Jennifer O'Neill.

2081
01:58:05,640 --> 01:58:08,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2082
01:58:08,720 --> 01:58:11,800
Speaker 2: So Summer of forty two is kind of like a

2083
01:58:11,840 --> 01:58:15,920
Speaker 2: Cape Cod style. It's not they're not on vacation, but

2084
01:58:16,040 --> 01:58:18,680
Speaker 2: it's like a bunch of boys living in Cape Cod

2085
01:58:18,680 --> 01:58:22,080
Speaker 2: and it's kind of a vacation ish setting. And this

2086
01:58:22,200 --> 01:58:26,000
Speaker 2: is sort of a kind of like a sex comedy.

2087
01:58:26,440 --> 01:58:29,600
Speaker 2: But one of the boys is like kind of obsessed

2088
01:58:29,600 --> 01:58:32,520
Speaker 2: with this woman who's older than him, and they're all

2089
01:58:32,560 --> 01:58:37,080
Speaker 2: in high school, I believe, and he kind of starts

2090
01:58:37,160 --> 01:58:41,360
Speaker 2: like a romance a little bit with an older woman.

2091
01:58:41,920 --> 01:58:44,800
Speaker 2: And I remember just being particularly taken with this book

2092
01:58:44,960 --> 01:58:49,160
Speaker 2: and this movie when I was in high school. Yeah,

2093
01:58:49,200 --> 01:58:51,360
Speaker 2: and I have fond memories of it. But it's a

2094
01:58:51,360 --> 01:58:57,760
Speaker 2: good kind of summer romance movie for Yeah.

2095
01:58:57,760 --> 01:59:01,000
Speaker 1: For some reason, I thought the lead guy in Summer

2096
01:59:01,120 --> 01:59:04,720
Speaker 1: forty two was the same kid from The Great Santini,

2097
01:59:05,120 --> 01:59:08,560
Speaker 1: But that's not true. I just looked it up. Oh

2098
01:59:09,480 --> 01:59:13,160
Speaker 1: there are two totally different dudes. So oh, okay, But yes,

2099
01:59:13,560 --> 01:59:15,880
Speaker 1: this movie is actually great, and I think it's a

2100
01:59:15,880 --> 01:59:17,320
Speaker 1: little hidden gem.

2101
01:59:18,000 --> 01:59:21,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little hidden gym. I think though the

2102
01:59:21,480 --> 01:59:28,200
Speaker 2: guy who wrote the book Summer of forty two, worked

2103
01:59:28,400 --> 01:59:29,760
Speaker 2: on The Great Santini.

2104
01:59:30,080 --> 01:59:31,440
Speaker 1: Ah well, the Mess.

2105
01:59:31,560 --> 01:59:35,200
Speaker 2: There is a Great Santini connection. He is often credited

2106
01:59:35,200 --> 01:59:38,760
Speaker 2: as the ghost writer of the film The Great Santini. However,

2107
01:59:38,960 --> 01:59:41,760
Speaker 2: he did not work on the film. Oh An, I

2108
01:59:41,800 --> 01:59:44,640
Speaker 2: don't know anyways. Yeah, Summer forty two. It's a nice

2109
01:59:44,680 --> 01:59:47,879
Speaker 2: it's got that nice kind of lovey dovey summer vibe,

2110
01:59:48,040 --> 01:59:52,160
Speaker 2: kind of dreamlike movie. So check that out. Okay, Summer

2111
01:59:52,280 --> 01:59:57,360
Speaker 2: forty two, yep, Okay, Millie, we finished another episode.

2112
01:59:57,520 --> 01:59:57,880
Speaker 3: We did.

2113
01:59:58,560 --> 02:00:01,200
Speaker 2: In fact, thank you to there Is Thomas Devlin for

2114
02:00:01,240 --> 02:00:03,800
Speaker 2: coming on the show to talk about fake movies in movies.

2115
02:00:03,920 --> 02:00:05,360
Speaker 2: Really appreciate it.

2116
02:00:06,360 --> 02:00:08,240
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you so much. That was a really really

2117
02:00:08,320 --> 02:00:12,960
Speaker 1: fun conversation. And I don't know, how's your groove feel.

2118
02:00:13,080 --> 02:00:14,680
Speaker 1: My groove is feeling great right now.

2119
02:00:14,880 --> 02:00:18,000
Speaker 2: I'm back. Yeah, I'm back, good, good, I got my

2120
02:00:18,040 --> 02:00:18,560
Speaker 2: groove back.

2121
02:00:18,760 --> 02:00:24,640
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2122
02:00:25,440 --> 02:00:28,880
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2123
02:00:28,920 --> 02:00:32,360
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2124
02:00:32,480 --> 02:00:36,640
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2125
02:00:36,680 --> 02:00:42,080
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2126
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2127
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2128
02:00:44,920 --> 02:00:49,800
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2129
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2130
02:00:53,520 --> 02:00:57,760
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2131
02:00:58,000 --> 02:01:00,240
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2132
02:01:00,280 --> 02:01:03,480
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2133
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2134
02:01:08,960 --> 02:01:12,520
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2135
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2136
02:01:16,040 --> 02:01:18,480
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2137
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2138
02:01:22,160 --> 02:01:25,840
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2139
02:01:25,880 --> 02:01:31,640
Speaker 2: is just group exclamation point. So excited to get into that. Well.

2140
02:01:31,840 --> 02:01:33,640
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2141
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Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts, and please

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Speaker 2: rate and review our show, Casey.

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Speaker 1: What are we watching next week?

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Speaker 2: We are watching Donnie Darko the Directors. Now, originally we

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Speaker 2: were going to do Donnie Darkle because it's the twenty

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Speaker 2: fifth anniversary, but the director's cut came out in two

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Speaker 2: thousand and four, so that doesn't quite work the same way.

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Speaker 2: But it's still the you know, the the anniversary. But

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to talk about this movie. An important film

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Speaker 2: to me.

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Speaker 1: Good to know.

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Speaker 2: Well, Millie, thank you for helping me get my groove

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Speaker 2: back and getting me to re engage with my love

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Speaker 2: of furniture making. This was lovely. Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Yep, I had a great time. Everybody, Bye bye bye.

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Speaker 1: This has been an exactly right production hosted by me

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Speaker 1: Millie to Cherco and produced by my co host Casey O'Brien.

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Speaker 2: This episode was mixed by Tom Bryfogel. Our associate producer

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Speaker 2: is Christina Chamberlain, our guest booker is Patrick Cottner, and

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Speaker 2: our artwork is by Vanessa Ilac.

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Speaker 1: Our incredible theme music is by the best band in

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Speaker 1: the entire world, The Softies.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to our executive producers Karen Kilgareff, Georgia Hardstark,

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Speaker 2: Daniel Kramer and Millie to Jericho.

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Speaker 3: We love you, Goodbye, Beca