1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: Okay, that is the next episode, dre there one or 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: two point seven. Kiss FM, we're bringing Penn Badgeley Pen. 3 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: It's Ryan. How are you? I'm good? How are you man? Good? 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: To see what I'm doing? Well things. I was just 5 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: watching some of your most popular TikTok's here um to 6 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: the whole seven of them? Choose from the anti hero 7 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: one is is very good. I like that. I don't 8 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: know whose apartment you're in, but I like the whole 9 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: vibe that is. Uh, Sophie and David and sorry, who 10 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: are my co hosts and producer on my podcast? I 11 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: live in New York? Got it? Well, it's great to 12 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: have you on. Congratulations on all this success. We are 13 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: having a big debate about you because, um, I have 14 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: watched season one, okay, and then I have to admit 15 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: that I didn't. I didn't finish season two. Totally fair. 16 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: But everybody has then in my life starts saying have 17 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: you seen you? Have you seen you? And I don't 18 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: know if I can't up ahead? Can I can't just 19 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: start with a new season? Would that be detrimental to 20 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: my experience? Okay, I'm gonna go ahead and say try 21 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: if if, if you if you reflective of any of 22 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: your listeners, I would say, if you don't want to 23 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: catch up, you could try. You could try, because by 24 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: the way, at the beginning of every season almost scapa, 25 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: it's like it's like and we do special recaps. I've 26 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: rerecorded recaps almost as many times. We're we're a recap 27 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: dependent show because a lot happens. So I would say 28 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 1: you could jump in. I would say probably you could 29 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: jump in, okay, because I really am. And it's something 30 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: that we can all talk about because we're at different 31 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: stages of the series here, but it is actually put 32 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: about the recap. I think whoever edits the recap is 33 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: these are genius people on the planet. They can put 34 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: together seasons by lines very much. No, I mean, the 35 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: only thing I think you're losing is season four is 36 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: legitimate departure. I mean it's even a to a different genre. 37 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: It's in this you've done it. So parts one and 38 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: two are very different, and you know, I can't spoil anything. 39 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: People are very upset, but there is enough of a 40 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: departure that I think you the only thing that you 41 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: wouldn't be getting really um is just an appreciation for 42 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 1: like how it feels different, you know what I mean. 43 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: That's that's really it. Everything else can be caught up on. 44 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: Now Penn Badgeley is here. I want you to meet Tanya. 45 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 1: Tanya also she has another issue, which is she can't 46 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: separate like fiction from reality. So she knows your Penn Badgeley, 47 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: but she can't separate you from the character. Yeah, well, um, 48 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: I don't know that I can help you with that. No, 49 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 1: it's no, it's really weird because your character is like 50 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 1: truly terrifying me, like truly terrifies me. But I'm so 51 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: obsessed with you, like you Penn Badgley, So it's like 52 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: this weird thing going on where I'm like obsessed with you, 53 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: but I'm also terrified of you at the same time. 54 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 1: It's like you are Beck and at the same time, 55 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: isn't it You're in your own glass boxs a weird 56 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: place to be. Let me tell you. I think all 57 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 1: this though, meant to be complimentary because you do such 58 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: a great job in this series and in this role. 59 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: What is it meant to you to see the success 60 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: of it and then the continued loyalty and growth of 61 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: the viewership. Yeah, I mean, we definitely tapped into something. 62 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: I guess that's that's that's what I trust. You know, 63 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: I've been pretty vocal about the reasons that playing Joe 64 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: was difficult, and you know why. I wasn't initially sure 65 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: I wanted to take the role. But I think over 66 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: time what I've seen is like, Wow, this is there's 67 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: something really worthwhile here. I mean, when I wasn't sure 68 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: if I wanted to take the role, the question I 69 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: asked Berlanti, the co creator along with Sarah Gamble, but 70 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: I was just having a conversation with him at this point. 71 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: I talked to Sarah. I felt like I understood it all, 72 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: but I just wasn't sure. And he was referring to 73 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: the to the thing as a as a love story, 74 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: and I stopped and I was like, man, well, okay, 75 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: I don't think this is a love story, but assuming 76 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: it did, what is it saying about love? And he 77 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: took this perfect dramatic pause and he said, I don't know, 78 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: but I think we'll discover that together. No, to some degree, 79 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: I think that really has played out. And it's been 80 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: that same thing with the show. Like some people think 81 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: of it as a cautionary tale or something, and they 82 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: and they really focus on the social media aspect and 83 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: think it and feel like it makes them, you know, 84 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: god forbid, like more paranoid and suspicious all this stuff. 85 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 1: Some people think of it as like I've heard people 86 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: who are in the realm of psychology saying they'd like 87 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: to watch a show and try and figure out every 88 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 1: possible diagnosis to joke could have. I don't think it's 89 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: as much of those things as much as it is 90 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: a It is a an exploration of the way we 91 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: think of love and tell stories around love. Because if 92 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: you take Joe as an archetype, he really is um. 93 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: He's he's kind of like every man you've seen before 94 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 1: in a way what he is, and he's following a 95 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: lot of the the same logic of the ideas of 96 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: love and and specifically relationship that that we've seen before. 97 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 1: But you realize, oh, that's not really an exchange, that's 98 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: not two people having autonomy. That's that's one person objectifying 99 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: another um and relegating them themselves to you know, discontent. 100 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: But this is the this is the challenge we have 101 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: in like relationships legitimately. So you know, I like that 102 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: Penn Badsley with us, uh so, do you find that 103 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: when you're out in the wild, you know, in public, 104 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: that people are asking all kinds of questions and want 105 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 1: to you to explain things. Um, actually, no, no, no, 106 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 1: they I feel like I get a lot of you 107 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: or you know, like the general sort of like fandom thing, 108 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: which which can range anywhere from complimentary to uh, really 109 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: strange something A lot of questions in that way. That 110 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: would that would be kind of interesting. I like that idea. 111 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you can you give some thoughtful insight to it? 112 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: All right? You can watch part one of season four 113 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: of use During on Netflix tomorrow, part two on March night. 114 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 1: There's so many things we could say about what's happened 115 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: so far, but that would just upset too many people. 116 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: And by the way, um, your podcast pod crushed. Congratulations, 117 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 1: we look at the numbers there. That's doing really well man, 118 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah, no, I mean it's really interesting. We're 119 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: entering into season two shortly. We're recording for that and um, yeah, 120 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: I mean, you know what's cool is that everybody has 121 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: a middle school story. Everybody has one that ranges anywhere 122 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 1: from sort of fun. Sometimes it can be quite deep 123 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: and almost tragic, but it's but it's a time of 124 00:06:55,279 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: life that everybody can recall with usually some kind of 125 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: some kind of pain and cringe and you know, and 126 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: and there are those stories are portal to all different 127 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: kinds of conversation with our guests. So it's you know, 128 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: it's a it's a fun ride for the time being. Yeah, 129 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: I think you're looking at two people that had some 130 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: middle school struggles right that we'll live with us forever. Um. Congratulations, 131 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: Penn Badgeley. Check it all out on Netflix tomorrow, Part two, 132 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: March nine, Pen, appreciate you coming on. Thank you for 133 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: having me coming back into three two three Kiss FM.