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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey Aaron, welcome back.

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Speaker 1: It's the Book of Joe Podcast with me, Tom Berducci

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Speaker 1: and of course Joe Madden and Joe. We've entered a new,

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Speaker 1: a brave, new world in baseball these days with head

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Speaker 1: tapping and challenging. Of course, it's the dawn of the

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Speaker 1: ABS challenge system. I'll get into the numbers in a minute,

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Speaker 1: but first I want to get your initial takes. We

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Speaker 1: knew this was coming, we saw it a little bit

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Speaker 1: in spring training the last couple of years. One week

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Speaker 1: into the great ABS era. What's your interpretation of what

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Speaker 3: Well, I like the expedient component of it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, obviously as soon as they tap part of

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Speaker 4: steps out looks up and almost immediately the correct call

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Speaker 4: shows up. So from that perspective, I'm okay with that. Also, again,

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Speaker 4: I can't see every every game. I'm watching replay videos

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Speaker 4: and that kind of stuff, but it seems like a

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Speaker 4: lot of it's pertinent too. I Mean there's been some

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Speaker 4: really big turnarounds which we've always known, like in a dugout,

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Speaker 4: managing a game, being part of a season, you know,

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Speaker 4: there's the game's over and you go through the post mortem,

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Speaker 4: and obviously you think, ah my god, how about that

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Speaker 4: call if it's done the other way something, you know,

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Speaker 4: it's the you know, the outcome not even outcome bias,

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Speaker 4: it's just actually outcome differential. It's just been switched. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: I'm so far. I think I've been a fan of it.

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Speaker 4: You know, the point of there's also been a pointment

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Speaker 4: of reading about this still that the somehow the catching

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Speaker 4: framing is still impactful, that we're talking about Wells with

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Speaker 4: the Yankees and Raley with the Mariners, how they've been

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Speaker 4: very good at it, and the fact that that could

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Speaker 4: still be influential in regarding the the the the challenge

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Speaker 4: system in the way it's utilized and how often it's utilized,

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Speaker 4: and it benefits obviously the team that has the catchers

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Speaker 4: that are able to do this. So you probably could

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Speaker 4: extrapolate that in a bit further. I just didn't notice that.

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Speaker 4: So overall from experienced perspective, I think it's good. And

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Speaker 4: you know, I almost believe that as you play it forward,

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Speaker 4: and I think you still want to give catchers the

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Speaker 4: ability to be impactun I still think you want to

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Speaker 4: have umpires, give the umpires the ability to just be

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Speaker 4: umpires and call a game and just maybe be interfered

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Speaker 4: with occasionally, so you know, they're still going to be clamoring.

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Speaker 4: I think maybe for the every pitch being called. But

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Speaker 4: I think if they continue along this path, the suspense also,

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Speaker 4: I think adds to the drama of the day. So

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Speaker 4: as right now, I think maybe the case is being

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Speaker 3: That's my first take.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with you one hundred percent on

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Speaker 1: all of that. I think on the whole that the

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Speaker 1: rollout here has been really seamless. And you know, I

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Speaker 1: say rollout. It's on the major league level. We've seen

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Speaker 1: so a lot of guys have played with it already

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Speaker 1: and the kinks have been worked out.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's for a new system here. You're absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: The expediency is very impressive. It's about fifteen to sixteen

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Speaker 1: the game. I love the fact that you said there's suspense.

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Speaker 2: I like that.

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Speaker 1: I like the fact that their strategy involved. You have

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Speaker 1: to understand when to challenge when not to challenge. That's

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Speaker 1: a strategic element that's been introduced. And the fan engagement

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a graphic that's easily understood, it's quick,

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Speaker 1: the numbers go. Fifty five percent success overturn rate, which

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Speaker 1: So I think it points out, especially when you think about,

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Speaker 2: And we saw this in the minor leagues as well.

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Speaker 1: They're not good at forty two percent success rate challenging pitches,

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Speaker 1: whereas the catchers are right fifty nine percent and hitters

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Speaker 1: take on this, you mentioned the framing aspect. I think

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Speaker 1: Not every pitch is going to get challenged, but you

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Speaker 1: do have the backstop now, no pun intended to change

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Speaker 1: challenge a pitch. But what I see here so far

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Speaker 1: actually think understanding the strike zone and knowing when to

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Speaker 1: Edgar Quero of the Chicago White Sox, young catcher, he's

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Speaker 1: challenged more than anybody. He's challenged ten times, he's been

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Speaker 1: of that knowing when to challenge, I think comes with experience.

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Speaker 1: It's just a matter of you know, reps at seeing

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Speaker 1: your take on catchers and how now they can influence,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no argument there. I would believe that to be true.

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Speaker 4: There's a confidence level too. There might be certain pitches.

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Speaker 4: How many pitches you may know this have not been

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Speaker 3: Also? Is that is that a number?

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Speaker 2: That is a number.

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Speaker 1: I'll just give you an example here because I saw

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Speaker 2: They're all in one challenges.

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Speaker 1: So look, how many pitches have been out of the

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Speaker 1: and I think that's pretty close to percentage, you know,

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Speaker 1: don't know how many fourteen to fifteen pitches is high

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Speaker 2: Maybe a third of those get challenged.

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Speaker 1: So yes, the vast majority of miss calls are not

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Speaker 1: I don't think teams are challenging enough. Let me put

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Speaker 1: it to you that way. I think managers have, you know,

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Speaker 2: Let's save our challenges.

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Speaker 1: Let's make sure we have challenges for late in the

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Speaker 1: gut reaction at that moment acrosses the plate is man,

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Speaker 1: that's not a strike challenge. I want to I don't

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Speaker 2: Correct, not every game is decided in the ninth inning.

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Speaker 1: In fact, very few are so My good hitters, the Bregman's,

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Speaker 1: You know they can flip account. But the litmus test

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Speaker 4: Well, just to go back to your original point, I mean,

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Speaker 3: So I think it would be natural to.

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Speaker 4: Almost assume, which I hate to do because you know

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Speaker 2: I think it was still true, by the way.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's like, I think all those things are

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Speaker 4: overlook that. The thing that I like, again, going back

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but I liked so far.

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Speaker 4: I liked the idea of a limited number and not

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Speaker 4: to newter the umpire and the catchers, especially in this situation.

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Speaker 3: They still want to have the skill.

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Speaker 4: Sets of both of them being on display and nurtured,

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Speaker 4: because otherwise you did mean this in the Maybe the

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Speaker 4: right word isn't lazy. But are these guys going to

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Speaker 4: it's going to be fixed anyway. Kind of a thought process.

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Speaker 4: So I mean all these things, the human nature side

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Speaker 4: just conjecture based on my limited experience watching it on TV,

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Speaker 4: made a difference to me. So yeah, it's an interesting topic.

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Speaker 4: The lot's going to be unveiled as we move it

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Speaker 4: forward in regards to a good idea abatity. But you

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Speaker 4: also one more point you made, Okay, this is now strategical,

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Speaker 4: So for some of the rules that have negated strategy.

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Speaker 4: Okay, It's okay, like if if we keep getting this,

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Speaker 3: Just it's like, it's it's just being a good manager.

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Speaker 4: Like, so, who's gonna who else could manage the umpires

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's We had our first walk off game ending

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Speaker 2: Pretty interesting.

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Speaker 1: There is a downside to this ABS system, and I

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Book of Joe. Joe. I mentioned

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Speaker 1: You actually hinted at this, and the downside is when

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Speaker 1: it's going to happen, and we've seen it already here.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you had C. B.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about eight challenges, six were over return and

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Speaker 2: That is getting a little dicey for me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I would also almost imagine that the repeat

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Speaker 4: Of course, these guys have ironclad tenure. They're not going anywhere.

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Speaker 4: They don't get demoted. There are some that are trying

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Speaker 4: But if you're there, you're there. And so there's got

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Speaker 4: But that would be my first thing. They're really heavy

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Speaker 4: I had just written that down before you started talking.

434
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Speaker 4: I wrote home played umpires and based umpires question Mark.

435
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Speaker 4: You know there's such a thing. I mean, I know,

436
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Speaker 4: from a managerial perspective, when a certain guy's behind the play,

437
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Speaker 4: you have a lot more confidence in the game, You

438
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Speaker 4: feel better about it. You just know that the guy

439
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Speaker 4: is going to be good for both sides, because you

440
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Speaker 4: want them good for both sides, not just your side.

441
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Speaker 4: And yeah, the base umpiring, I mean, obviously that can

442
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Speaker 4: get unique guys out there, just you just need to

443
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Speaker 4: have that whole the field completely covered and on the

444
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Speaker 4: basis the ability to really challenge out there obviously also

445
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Speaker 4: is intact.

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Speaker 3: And it seems just like, I.

447
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Speaker 4: Don't know, is it more easily fix or is it

448
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Speaker 4: are they on par right now?

449
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Speaker 3: Whatever?

450
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Speaker 4: But yeah, I would also believe if you're a home

451
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Speaker 4: played umpire only I don't even know if that means

452
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Speaker 4: you work two games a week, I mean maybe up

453
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Speaker 4: to three games a week. That'd be kind of tough,

454
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Speaker 4: though there have to be some physical specimens. I think

455
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Speaker 4: doing that almost like a really good major league catcher.

456
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Speaker 4: If in fact that happened, these guys would have to

457
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Speaker 4: get paid more. I think I make a home plate umpire.

458
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Speaker 4: If that's what you are, I think you make more

459
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Speaker 4: money than just a base some part do you start

460
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Speaker 4: out as a base on par and then how do

461
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Speaker 4: you earn your wings by saying, well, eventually you have

462
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Speaker 4: the ability to earn the right to become a home

463
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Speaker 4: played umpire. But if you're just being a base on par,

464
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Speaker 4: this would be very difficult or impossible to gain confidence

465
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Speaker 4: in order to bring them behind a plate, and that

466
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Speaker 4: would be really create an entirely different developmental system. Although again,

467
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Speaker 4: if somebody knows I can make more money by being

468
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Speaker 4: a home played umpire, but he's going to want to

469
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Speaker 4: be one of those, and then maybe you wash out

470
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Speaker 4: in the minor leagues, Eventually they say, nope, we only

471
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Speaker 4: have based on piring for you because we don't just think,

472
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Speaker 4: we believe that you're not going to be have the

473
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Speaker 4: ability to umpire home play. So there's all these you're

474
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Speaker 4: talking development to me, right, and that's where.

475
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Speaker 3: I started going with all of this. So it would

476
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Speaker 3: be tough.

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Speaker 4: It'd be tough, I think, just physically, I do, because

478
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Speaker 4: it's gonna be hard to get that many guys that

479
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Speaker 4: were that good at calling balls and strikes and just

480
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Speaker 4: utilize them there. And what would that mean, like how

481
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Speaker 4: many games a week would these umpires be able to umpire?

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Speaker 3: Physically?

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Speaker 4: Well, like for me, Wilson Contraras when in the prime

484
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Speaker 4: really young, I wanted to catch them three days in

485
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Speaker 4: a row, and they give them a day off. And

486
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Speaker 4: then when it got later in a year when it

487
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Speaker 4: was really pertinent, I thought four on and then one

488
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Speaker 4: off was okay. So that would be a consideration. You're right,

489
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Speaker 4: they'd have to be younger, they'd have to be like

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Speaker 4: in great shape. They'd have to be like a training

491
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Speaker 4: program involved for these guys in their legs and rest

492
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Speaker 4: and diet and all this other stuff. So it's not impossible,

493
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Speaker 4: but there'd be a really interesting developmental process there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you just talked me out of it, Joe. It's

495
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Speaker 1: one of those things where it sounds like a good idea,

496
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Speaker 1: but when you actually drill down to it, I agree,

497
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Speaker 1: there's there's probably too many issues and things to surmount

498
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Speaker 1: to have.

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Speaker 2: It really be workable.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the New York Yankees, by the way,

501
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Speaker 1: and you talk about a team getting off to a

502
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Speaker 1: hot start, and by the way, they're thirteen and three.

503
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Speaker 1: When it comes to their challenges, everything is going the

504
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Speaker 1: Yankees away. So they've allowed six runs in six games.

505
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Speaker 1: There's only two other teams that have done that, the

506
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Speaker 1: nineteen fifteen Phillies and the two thousand and two Giants.

507
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you watch what the Yankees are doing,

508
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Speaker 1: the way they're just filling up the strike zone, Cam

509
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Speaker 1: Schlittler looks like he's an absolute study. Well remember people,

510
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Speaker 1: they didn't even have Garrett Cole and Carlos Rodonn in

511
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Speaker 1: the rotation right now. Max Freed has been unbelieved. And

512
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Speaker 1: this goes back to when he signed with the Yankees

513
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Speaker 1: as a free agent. He basically told them, I'm at

514
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Speaker 1: your disposal in terms of their pitching lab.

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Speaker 2: What you want me to do with my pitch is

516
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Speaker 2: how I use them? What I throw. I'm open to anything.

517
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Speaker 1: And they've changed them from a guy who, let's face

518
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Speaker 1: it was mostly four seen curveball guy pitching up and

519
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Speaker 1: down on the zone to a guy who now.

520
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Speaker 2: Throws sweepers, cutters, sliders.

521
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Speaker 1: He's moving the ball to all quadrants of the zone

522
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Speaker 1: like he never did before.

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Speaker 2: He's a completely different pitcher.

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Speaker 1: I think he's the prototypical now modern pitcher with technology

525
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Speaker 1: where they could do so many things to make the

526
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Speaker 1: ball move in all four directions north, south, east, west

527
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Speaker 1: on both sides of the plate. He had never been

528
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Speaker 1: that kind of guy. His pitch distribution would never be

529
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Speaker 1: this scattered. But he's got the aptitude, the ability, and

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Speaker 1: the talent to do it. The Yankees right now, Joe,

531
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Speaker 1: look like you know, they ran it back virtually the

532
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Speaker 1: same roster, but even without Cole and Redon, they look

533
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Speaker 1: like they are going to be the team to beat

534
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Speaker 1: in the East. And that's no disrespect to the Toronto

535
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Speaker 1: Blue Jays, who I picked to win that division. But

536
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Speaker 1: what to start from New York. They just getting home

537
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Speaker 1: this week for the first time.

538
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Speaker 4: By the way, Yeah, I've been watching reading all the above.

539
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Speaker 4: They've they have been impressive, and he did. The pitching

540
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Speaker 4: has been that good. Their bullpens, you know, Bennar still

541
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Speaker 4: he got through it last night.

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Speaker 3: I think his stuff's really good.

543
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Speaker 4: But he threw like forty pitches last night, which I

544
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Speaker 4: think is like pretty heavy, and I'd be I really

545
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Speaker 4: would be concerned about that personally, especially with this involvement

546
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Speaker 4: in the World Baseball Classic thing, and that he's really

547
00:26:42,358 --> 00:26:44,798
Speaker 4: important to their success. He's vital to their success. So

548
00:26:45,518 --> 00:26:48,078
Speaker 4: the starting pitching has been great. The bullpen, you know,

549
00:26:48,158 --> 00:26:50,358
Speaker 4: the names are okay, I'm I'm not as he namored

550
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Speaker 4: with the names out of the bullpen. And of course

551
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Speaker 4: Bennar is a lofty at college guy, so I'm really

552
00:26:54,878 --> 00:26:57,398
Speaker 4: pulling for him. But I'm watching all of that. Their

553
00:26:57,438 --> 00:27:01,798
Speaker 4: offense is really clicking on all cylinders. Ben Rice, this

554
00:27:01,878 --> 00:27:06,198
Speaker 4: guy is a throwback player. He looks like he would

555
00:27:06,238 --> 00:27:08,678
Speaker 4: have been Lou Garrig's roommate. I mean, that's almost they're

556
00:27:08,678 --> 00:27:13,278
Speaker 4: both Ivy leaguers actually right, this guy's just really raw strong.

557
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Speaker 3: I mean he hits. When he hits a ball, it

558
00:27:15,358 --> 00:27:16,158
Speaker 3: is absolutely mangle.

559
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Speaker 4: It's I know Joel Sherman and I spoke about it

560
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Speaker 4: earlier this year, the comp with him and Shobert Kyle,

561
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Speaker 4: and there is a comp there both having caught and

562
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Speaker 4: then really not catching in the big leagues but being

563
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Speaker 4: left handed and have this incredibly strong, strong just hand,

564
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Speaker 4: strong hands and commanded the strikes on. So he's like,

565
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Speaker 4: really that vital to their success and they are there

566
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Speaker 4: we have to wait. I mean, they're clicking on all cylinders.

567
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Speaker 4: There's no doubt about it. I think their defense is

568
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Speaker 4: better McMahon. If they're in the shortstop, then a really

569
00:27:47,318 --> 00:27:48,998
Speaker 4: nice job at short stuff. I saw make a nice

570
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Speaker 4: play the thing I liked about the play that he

571
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Speaker 4: made yesterday was the fact that it was not an

572
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Speaker 4: easy play, but he made a throw that was kind

573
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Speaker 4: of awkward but accurate, and you kind of smiled afterwards.

574
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Speaker 4: I mean, he breathes, He's out there playing the game

575
00:28:00,998 --> 00:28:04,038
Speaker 4: in a very confident way. So they're gonna get better

576
00:28:04,358 --> 00:28:07,038
Speaker 4: as their pitching gets better. Yeah, I think this is

577
00:28:07,118 --> 00:28:11,278
Speaker 4: real coming off last year. The ability to engage with

578
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Speaker 4: one another consistently and all this like running back kind

579
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Speaker 4: of stuff.

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Speaker 3: That's what everybody did for years. They brought back.

581
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Speaker 4: The Yankees did it, the Cardinals did it, the Dodgers

582
00:28:20,838 --> 00:28:23,118
Speaker 4: did it, and nobody ever said anything about it. I mean,

583
00:28:23,158 --> 00:28:26,918
Speaker 4: it's just so everybody's so into flipping the page so easily.

584
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Speaker 3: I think what they did was kind of good.

585
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Speaker 4: And so anyway, they're pretty strong right now, and I

586
00:28:32,758 --> 00:28:33,798
Speaker 4: you know, I do agree.

587
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Speaker 3: With what you're saying. I'm seeing the same thing.

588
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Speaker 2: And also I wanted to mention show.

589
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Speaker 1: Hey Otani of course fan favorite of this show and

590
00:28:40,838 --> 00:28:42,558
Speaker 1: everybody pretty much around baseball.

591
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Speaker 2: It was great to see him make his first start again.

592
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Speaker 1: This is the first time but in about three years,

593
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Speaker 1: that he's going into the season fully healthy. Full two

594
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Speaker 1: way player, not rehabbing the arm as he was last year.

595
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Speaker 1: What's interesting to me, Joe and I saw this in

596
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Speaker 1: spring training and want to get your take on this

597
00:29:00,518 --> 00:29:03,238
Speaker 1: is how he's leaning into a splitter this year like

598
00:29:03,278 --> 00:29:05,158
Speaker 1: we didn't see last year. Last year he threw only

599
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Speaker 1: four percent splitters in the course of the regular season,

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Speaker 1: got to the postseason, doubled that to eight percent, and

601
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Speaker 1: now here he is throwing it doubling that now fifteen

602
00:29:16,558 --> 00:29:18,958
Speaker 1: sixteen percent what we've seen in spring trending in his

603
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Speaker 1: first start.

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Speaker 2: I actually think that's his best pitch.

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Speaker 1: And I know he throws up her nineties, but that

606
00:29:23,838 --> 00:29:28,238
Speaker 1: split is just hard for anybody to square up. And

607
00:29:28,238 --> 00:29:30,558
Speaker 1: it's interesting to me to watch him throw it now

608
00:29:30,718 --> 00:29:33,518
Speaker 1: at about eighty six miles an hour. That's down from

609
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Speaker 1: ninety what he was throwing at last year. So listen

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Speaker 1: to Dodgers are going to be careful with show.

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Speaker 3: Hey.

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Speaker 1: We all know that, but man, look out major League

613
00:29:42,398 --> 00:29:45,598
Speaker 1: Baseball that show. Hey, Otani is not in rehab mode

614
00:29:45,638 --> 00:29:48,518
Speaker 1: right now on the mound. People forget I think they

615
00:29:48,598 --> 00:29:51,678
Speaker 1: forgot he's actually an ace. I mean, he's got ace

616
00:29:51,798 --> 00:29:54,598
Speaker 1: quality stuff. What's your take on, show, Hey, this year

617
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Speaker 1: as a pitcher.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think his arms healed. I mean, and he

619
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Speaker 4: is more confident about what he's doing. And I think

620
00:30:00,318 --> 00:30:03,678
Speaker 4: the Dodgers are too. I think the less velocity is

621
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Speaker 4: no different than an airplane going through some turbulence. I mean,

622
00:30:06,238 --> 00:30:08,278
Speaker 4: you just back off on the velocity of the plane

623
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Speaker 4: to take off the stress.

624
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Speaker 3: And I think the same thing with his arm.

625
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Speaker 4: I think by backing off the loss, I think that's intentional.

626
00:30:14,598 --> 00:30:16,518
Speaker 4: I would bet if he wanted to throw it harder,

627
00:30:16,558 --> 00:30:18,398
Speaker 4: he can, and that may be something he's holding back

628
00:30:18,438 --> 00:30:21,078
Speaker 4: for later. The guy is very intentional. There's nothing that

629
00:30:21,118 --> 00:30:24,238
Speaker 4: happens there just by accident. So the blankets off the

630
00:30:24,318 --> 00:30:27,118
Speaker 4: arm feels better. Blessing with the Dodgers throw it more often.

631
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Speaker 4: But let's let's take a little stress off and see

632
00:30:28,958 --> 00:30:30,518
Speaker 4: if we could throw it in a way that it

633
00:30:30,558 --> 00:30:33,238
Speaker 4: doesn't have to be such a full effort pitch. That's

634
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Speaker 4: what it sounds like to me, and I've always for

635
00:30:36,278 --> 00:30:40,398
Speaker 4: me with him. His success I thought was directly connected

636
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Speaker 4: to the command of his fastball. As long as he's

637
00:30:42,758 --> 00:30:44,958
Speaker 4: throwing his fastball where he wants, when he wants to,

638
00:30:45,518 --> 00:30:48,758
Speaker 4: then the split becomes really as devastating as you're talking

639
00:30:48,798 --> 00:30:49,398
Speaker 4: about right.

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Speaker 1: Now, Joe, We're gonna take a quick break when we

641
00:30:51,958 --> 00:30:53,838
Speaker 1: get back. I can't wait to get your take on this.

642
00:30:54,318 --> 00:30:57,598
Speaker 1: The idea before a guy even plays a day in

643
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Speaker 1: the major leagues to give him fifty three million, ninety

644
00:31:01,838 --> 00:31:05,638
Speaker 1: five million, does it make sense. Well, it's a trend

645
00:31:05,638 --> 00:31:07,838
Speaker 1: that's happening in baseball. We'll talk about that right after

646
00:31:07,878 --> 00:31:19,558
Speaker 1: this of the Book of Joe.

647
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Book of Joe.

648
00:31:23,078 --> 00:31:27,558
Speaker 1: Colt Emerson, a real top ten prospect in baseball, just

649
00:31:27,638 --> 00:31:30,678
Speaker 1: sign an extension. Has not yet played in the big

650
00:31:30,758 --> 00:31:35,478
Speaker 1: leagues with the Seattle Mariners eight years, ninety five million dollars.

651
00:31:35,478 --> 00:31:39,318
Speaker 1: And that came a day or so after the Milwaukee

652
00:31:39,358 --> 00:31:44,158
Speaker 1: Brewers locked up Cooper Pratt for eight years and fifty

653
00:31:44,198 --> 00:31:47,598
Speaker 1: one million dollars. Cooper Pratt is twenty one years old.

654
00:31:47,958 --> 00:31:51,878
Speaker 1: Last year in DOUBLEA hit two thirty eight. He's a

655
00:31:51,958 --> 00:31:56,798
Speaker 1: defense first shortstop. I'm sure they agree he's going to

656
00:31:56,998 --> 00:31:59,678
Speaker 1: hit at some point better than he has shown right now.

657
00:31:59,678 --> 00:32:01,478
Speaker 2: It's listening. That's very early in his career.

658
00:32:02,478 --> 00:32:05,598
Speaker 1: But he's basically, you know, I want to say, a

659
00:32:05,638 --> 00:32:08,118
Speaker 1: typical Brewers player, but the kind of player that they like.

660
00:32:08,398 --> 00:32:11,398
Speaker 1: He can defend, he can run high baseball IQ. They

661
00:32:11,478 --> 00:32:15,798
Speaker 1: like everything they've seen Colt Emerson high offensive side infielder

662
00:32:15,958 --> 00:32:16,678
Speaker 1: with Seattle.

663
00:32:18,638 --> 00:32:19,878
Speaker 2: What's your take, Jo on this.

664
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Speaker 1: I've always thought that teams better know their home talent,

665
00:32:23,478 --> 00:32:25,678
Speaker 1: you know, better than anybody else, better than fishing in

666
00:32:25,678 --> 00:32:28,878
Speaker 1: the free agent waters. Obviously, these teams are very convicted

667
00:32:29,118 --> 00:32:32,318
Speaker 1: into what they've seen out of these players, not just statistically,

668
00:32:33,438 --> 00:32:36,718
Speaker 1: but their makeup and what their growth pattern is and

669
00:32:36,758 --> 00:32:40,118
Speaker 1: their young careers. It's an interesting take for me to

670
00:32:40,158 --> 00:32:43,678
Speaker 1: see teams like this, especially Milwaukee commit. They did it

671
00:32:43,678 --> 00:32:47,198
Speaker 1: with Churio Jackson. Churio signed him to eighty three million

672
00:32:47,198 --> 00:32:50,358
Speaker 1: for eight years. What do you think of this trend, Joe.

673
00:32:50,238 --> 00:32:52,918
Speaker 4: Well, I just have to go back in time to

674
00:32:52,998 --> 00:32:56,278
Speaker 4: really understand what I think. I saw Ken Griffy Junior

675
00:32:56,478 --> 00:32:58,958
Speaker 4: in Bellingham, Washington when he was like seventeen or eighteen

676
00:32:58,998 --> 00:33:01,278
Speaker 4: years old, hit a ball very far out of that

677
00:33:01,318 --> 00:33:03,838
Speaker 4: ballpark to right field, and everybody was talking about him

678
00:33:04,038 --> 00:33:08,278
Speaker 4: the pedigree. So would you, you know, push the clock

679
00:33:08,318 --> 00:33:10,558
Speaker 4: forward if Ken Griffyth Junior was in your minor league system,

680
00:33:10,558 --> 00:33:13,598
Speaker 4: would you want to do the same thing I saw

681
00:33:13,638 --> 00:33:16,038
Speaker 4: Alex Rodriguez when he was talking against the Mariners. I

682
00:33:16,038 --> 00:33:17,998
Speaker 4: saw him when he was like again seventeen or eighteen,

683
00:33:18,558 --> 00:33:22,238
Speaker 4: make a play up the middle in Peoria, an instructional

684
00:33:22,318 --> 00:33:24,998
Speaker 4: league that I thought, Oh my god, I mean, who

685
00:33:25,078 --> 00:33:26,478
Speaker 4: else is going to make that play?

686
00:33:26,558 --> 00:33:27,798
Speaker 3: Right? I saw Gary Sheffield.

687
00:33:27,838 --> 00:33:29,958
Speaker 4: I was standing next to him at third base and

688
00:33:29,998 --> 00:33:32,478
Speaker 4: instructional league again in Peoria, and he's with the Brewers

689
00:33:32,518 --> 00:33:35,598
Speaker 4: in a young Gary Sheffield. I mean, look at what

690
00:33:35,638 --> 00:33:38,078
Speaker 4: I saw back then? Would you not give him a

691
00:33:38,118 --> 00:33:41,158
Speaker 4: bunch of dough two Barry bonds? I saw him at

692
00:33:41,238 --> 00:33:43,158
Speaker 4: Arizona State. Then I see him in the minor leagues

693
00:33:43,198 --> 00:33:43,558
Speaker 4: or whatever.

694
00:33:44,118 --> 00:33:44,558
Speaker 3: I think this.

695
00:33:44,878 --> 00:33:48,318
Speaker 4: You know, these guys have existed forever, but now it's

696
00:33:48,358 --> 00:33:50,758
Speaker 4: just a little bit more in vogue. To do this way,

697
00:33:50,878 --> 00:33:55,078
Speaker 4: I would be still be wary of it. Just backtuning.

698
00:33:55,078 --> 00:33:56,958
Speaker 4: I'd have to see these guys in with my own

699
00:33:56,958 --> 00:33:59,358
Speaker 4: eyeballs in order to tell you exactly what I think

700
00:33:59,398 --> 00:34:02,318
Speaker 4: about this. I could vouch for the guys that I

701
00:34:02,398 --> 00:34:05,078
Speaker 4: just brought up because I saw them and these guys

702
00:34:05,118 --> 00:34:07,198
Speaker 4: that they're talking about now. I know it's different times

703
00:34:07,198 --> 00:34:10,638
Speaker 4: and there's different methods being employed. I would say analytically,

704
00:34:10,758 --> 00:34:14,598
Speaker 4: if you know, based on the metrics involved and how

705
00:34:14,598 --> 00:34:17,398
Speaker 4: they're devising all this, I'm sure that they Again, this

706
00:34:17,518 --> 00:34:20,078
Speaker 4: is a situation where analytics provides the safety in it

707
00:34:20,158 --> 00:34:22,918
Speaker 4: because if it doesn't work out, what we had, everybody

708
00:34:23,038 --> 00:34:24,838
Speaker 4: was on board everything, The numbers are in order, and

709
00:34:25,398 --> 00:34:27,718
Speaker 4: the projection wise is all there, and everybody saw the

710
00:34:27,718 --> 00:34:30,398
Speaker 4: same things. They're talking about exit velocity, you know, when

711
00:34:30,398 --> 00:34:34,118
Speaker 4: there's running speed, bat speed, arm speed whatever they're so

712
00:34:34,158 --> 00:34:37,558
Speaker 4: they're utilizing a different method of scouting in order to

713
00:34:37,598 --> 00:34:41,798
Speaker 4: project and permit the organization paying these numbers at such

714
00:34:41,838 --> 00:34:43,558
Speaker 4: an early age. But I don't want people to be

715
00:34:43,598 --> 00:34:45,198
Speaker 4: deceived and think that all of a sudden, there's these

716
00:34:45,238 --> 00:34:48,558
Speaker 4: prodigies now that didn't exist back then, because they did.

717
00:34:48,678 --> 00:34:52,358
Speaker 4: These prodigies did exist back then. So I just think

718
00:34:52,358 --> 00:34:55,198
Speaker 4: it's a method, a method that's being employed right now.

719
00:34:56,198 --> 00:34:58,078
Speaker 3: I can't say that it's better or worse.

720
00:34:58,518 --> 00:35:00,398
Speaker 4: The interesting thing there was you talked about one player

721
00:35:00,438 --> 00:35:02,238
Speaker 4: that was locked up because of his defense. He got

722
00:35:02,358 --> 00:35:05,238
Speaker 4: less money as oppos So the guy that was locked

723
00:35:05,278 --> 00:35:07,758
Speaker 4: up first potential on offense, which was more money.

724
00:35:08,278 --> 00:35:08,518
Speaker 3: To me.

725
00:35:08,598 --> 00:35:11,718
Speaker 4: The docking somebody up based on defense would be a

726
00:35:11,718 --> 00:35:15,638
Speaker 4: better bet because when you projected on defense, you normally

727
00:35:15,678 --> 00:35:17,918
Speaker 4: could project the guy's already has a better number to

728
00:35:17,958 --> 00:35:21,878
Speaker 4: begin with, and the projection isn't as dramatic, whereas normally

729
00:35:21,958 --> 00:35:25,278
Speaker 4: the hitting projection's got to be more dramatic and permits

730
00:35:25,438 --> 00:35:28,878
Speaker 4: are more projection in regards to like going from a

731
00:35:28,918 --> 00:35:32,118
Speaker 4: thirty to eighty hit or whatever. So it's an interesting concept.

732
00:35:32,118 --> 00:35:35,558
Speaker 4: But again, I as a Scott, I'd have to see

733
00:35:35,598 --> 00:35:41,078
Speaker 4: these guys. And again, the way the decision is supported

734
00:35:41,198 --> 00:35:44,598
Speaker 4: now is different than Jack mckin with a cigar in

735
00:35:44,638 --> 00:35:47,918
Speaker 4: the room whomever saying that we're going to give this

736
00:35:47,958 --> 00:35:50,358
Speaker 4: guy this kind of a contract and we're going to

737
00:35:50,398 --> 00:35:52,878
Speaker 4: buy him out whatever, and we're gonna give him that

738
00:35:52,958 --> 00:35:54,518
Speaker 4: kind of money before he's played a moment in the

739
00:35:54,558 --> 00:35:56,518
Speaker 4: big leagues, which I think would have been heard of

740
00:35:56,558 --> 00:35:56,958
Speaker 4: back then.

741
00:35:57,478 --> 00:36:00,278
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting because I don't think we're talking about

742
00:36:00,318 --> 00:36:03,278
Speaker 1: prodigies in either case here. Like you mentioned, you know,

743
00:36:03,278 --> 00:36:06,198
Speaker 1: the Griffies Sheffield. I mean, those guys just jump out

744
00:36:06,278 --> 00:36:09,278
Speaker 1: and yeah, you would sign them in a heartbeat. It

745
00:36:09,278 --> 00:36:13,638
Speaker 1: doesn't take you know, the most seasoned scout to realize

746
00:36:13,638 --> 00:36:16,878
Speaker 1: those guys were going to be stars. You saw it

747
00:36:16,918 --> 00:36:21,558
Speaker 1: with Longoria. I think I would do this with Connor Griffin,

748
00:36:21,638 --> 00:36:24,798
Speaker 1: the young shortstop of the Pirates, number one prospect in baseball,

749
00:36:24,958 --> 00:36:28,718
Speaker 1: nineteen years old, just turning twenty. That to me is

750
00:36:29,078 --> 00:36:31,718
Speaker 1: what the scouts might put if not an eighty hitter

751
00:36:31,798 --> 00:36:35,598
Speaker 1: or a seventy hitter. What we're talking about here are

752
00:36:35,958 --> 00:36:38,918
Speaker 1: I don't want to say complimentary players, but just to

753
00:36:38,958 --> 00:36:42,078
Speaker 1: give you an example, the money that Seattle is giving

754
00:36:42,398 --> 00:36:47,238
Speaker 1: Colt Emerson is about equivalent to what Austin Riley is

755
00:36:47,278 --> 00:36:49,318
Speaker 1: making in his first eight years in the big league.

756
00:36:49,358 --> 00:36:51,958
Speaker 1: So you're betting that Colt Emerson is going to be

757
00:36:51,958 --> 00:36:54,838
Speaker 1: an Austin Riley type player at least if he's better,

758
00:36:54,878 --> 00:36:57,398
Speaker 1: then you got yourself a bargain. And Austin Riley's a

759
00:36:57,438 --> 00:36:59,718
Speaker 1: really good player, right. I'm not saying he's not a

760
00:36:59,718 --> 00:37:03,438
Speaker 1: good player. He's not King Griffy Jr. But he's a

761
00:37:03,438 --> 00:37:07,238
Speaker 1: good player. As far as Cooper Pratt, the comp in

762
00:37:07,318 --> 00:37:11,518
Speaker 1: terms of the money they're paying him is JP Crawford, again,

763
00:37:12,198 --> 00:37:15,838
Speaker 1: good player. I wouldn't say, you know, he's a prodigy

764
00:37:15,918 --> 00:37:19,558
Speaker 1: or an outlier, top of the spectrum eighty hitter at all.

765
00:37:21,118 --> 00:37:24,678
Speaker 1: So if you look back Joe. It's scouty, as you know,

766
00:37:24,878 --> 00:37:27,438
Speaker 1: is so hard. Other than the guys that some of

767
00:37:27,478 --> 00:37:29,358
Speaker 1: the guys you mentioned who just jump off the page,

768
00:37:29,398 --> 00:37:31,558
Speaker 1: you can tell they're going to be stars. And you're

769
00:37:31,598 --> 00:37:34,598
Speaker 1: really not wrong too often with the guys at the

770
00:37:34,598 --> 00:37:37,038
Speaker 1: top of the draft anyway. But here are the guys

771
00:37:37,038 --> 00:37:41,078
Speaker 1: who have signed extensions before they played a day in

772
00:37:41,118 --> 00:37:43,638
Speaker 1: the major leagues. And I want you to tell me

773
00:37:43,718 --> 00:37:46,718
Speaker 1: whether so far it's worked out well or not.

774
00:37:46,838 --> 00:37:49,398
Speaker 2: In some cases it's we're not too deep in the contract.

775
00:37:49,518 --> 00:37:50,238
Speaker 3: Yeah, very good.

776
00:37:50,678 --> 00:37:53,918
Speaker 1: Jackson Curio, I'd say that worked out well. What'd you say?

777
00:37:54,118 --> 00:37:54,558
Speaker 1: Pretty good?

778
00:37:54,678 --> 00:37:54,918
Speaker 3: Right?

779
00:37:55,478 --> 00:37:58,038
Speaker 1: It looks like they made a good bet on him.

780
00:37:58,278 --> 00:38:02,318
Speaker 1: Luis Robert Jr. White Sox No. I would say no.

781
00:38:02,718 --> 00:38:07,758
Speaker 1: I think he's been a disappointment, largely health related. Eloi Jimenez.

782
00:38:07,798 --> 00:38:09,918
Speaker 1: What would you say about Alloy Jimenez? Is it worth

783
00:38:09,958 --> 00:38:12,918
Speaker 1: locking that guy up? You say no.

784
00:38:13,358 --> 00:38:15,758
Speaker 2: Colt Keith the Tigers locked up.

785
00:38:15,798 --> 00:38:18,838
Speaker 1: We've only had one year, but he's not even an

786
00:38:18,838 --> 00:38:21,998
Speaker 1: everyday player for the most part. Scott Kingrey the Phillies,

787
00:38:22,278 --> 00:38:26,598
Speaker 1: that's a no. Evan White, the Mariners, that's a no.

788
00:38:27,678 --> 00:38:31,918
Speaker 1: John Singleton the Astros, that's a. No, those are the

789
00:38:31,958 --> 00:38:34,718
Speaker 1: only players have signed contracts before they became big leaguers.

790
00:38:34,758 --> 00:38:37,598
Speaker 1: That's not a high hit rate. I think it speaks

791
00:38:37,598 --> 00:38:40,678
Speaker 1: to how difficult it is to know even your own players.

792
00:38:41,238 --> 00:38:45,238
Speaker 1: So you give these guys money, you give them that contract,

793
00:38:45,238 --> 00:38:47,078
Speaker 1: that love the fact that it takes out a lot

794
00:38:47,078 --> 00:38:49,078
Speaker 1: of worry for these players. You know, why would the

795
00:38:49,118 --> 00:38:52,598
Speaker 1: young players sign one of these deals? Well, your set

796
00:38:53,038 --> 00:38:55,238
Speaker 1: just go play now, you don't worry about going year

797
00:38:55,278 --> 00:38:56,558
Speaker 1: by year downside?

798
00:38:56,718 --> 00:38:58,718
Speaker 2: Is players not as good as you think?

799
00:38:59,758 --> 00:39:03,198
Speaker 4: Well again, I'm Quebec could just go down memory lane

800
00:39:03,238 --> 00:39:04,758
Speaker 4: for a bit. I mean, and I'm going to be

801
00:39:05,078 --> 00:39:07,918
Speaker 4: I'm not even being biased here. How about my Angels

802
00:39:07,958 --> 00:39:10,958
Speaker 4: outfield that we had in the nineties as an instructor

803
00:39:10,958 --> 00:39:13,798
Speaker 4: that eventually kind of when the world one guy was

804
00:39:13,798 --> 00:39:16,118
Speaker 4: missing with winning the World Series. You're talking about Garrett Anderson,

805
00:39:16,718 --> 00:39:21,278
Speaker 4: Darren Erstad, Jimmy Edmunds, and Timothy Salmon. Dude, If those

806
00:39:21,278 --> 00:39:23,918
Speaker 4: guys are coming up with one group right now, right,

807
00:39:23,998 --> 00:39:26,118
Speaker 4: I mean, that would be the talk of baseball, that

808
00:39:26,198 --> 00:39:29,278
Speaker 4: particular group right there. Then then you pop Troy Gloss

809
00:39:29,278 --> 00:39:31,478
Speaker 4: at third base, and look at what Roy did over

810
00:39:31,638 --> 00:39:34,718
Speaker 4: the course of his career. Benji Molina as a catcher

811
00:39:34,758 --> 00:39:37,398
Speaker 4: what he did also, and he started out very slowly.

812
00:39:37,878 --> 00:39:40,438
Speaker 4: But the point is, I mean we, I think we

813
00:39:40,558 --> 00:39:42,878
Speaker 4: tend to exaggerate a little bit what's going on right now.

814
00:39:42,918 --> 00:39:44,838
Speaker 3: But if you comp out and I don't want to

815
00:39:44,878 --> 00:39:45,358
Speaker 3: be that guy.

816
00:39:45,398 --> 00:39:47,838
Speaker 4: I'm just saying the guys of the past, because I

817
00:39:47,918 --> 00:39:51,638
Speaker 4: keep printing about these incredible athletes of today. I saw

818
00:39:51,958 --> 00:39:54,958
Speaker 4: incredible athleticism back then at Devon White I had Mark

819
00:39:55,038 --> 00:39:58,678
Speaker 4: McLam I mean, these guys are like really athletically good.

820
00:39:58,798 --> 00:40:01,558
Speaker 4: They turn out to be really good baseball players, and

821
00:40:01,558 --> 00:40:04,318
Speaker 4: that if they were coming down the pike right now, God,

822
00:40:04,358 --> 00:40:08,158
Speaker 4: they would be They'd be like in all these different lists.

823
00:40:08,238 --> 00:40:10,278
Speaker 4: I'd say, in the top fifty in all these lists

824
00:40:11,118 --> 00:40:13,758
Speaker 4: that we would read on a daily basis. So it's

825
00:40:13,798 --> 00:40:16,158
Speaker 4: just a different way. It's a different method of evaluation.

826
00:40:16,438 --> 00:40:19,998
Speaker 4: But again, the old methods of scouting were is equally

827
00:40:20,038 --> 00:40:22,038
Speaker 4: as good. If I don't want to say better because

828
00:40:22,038 --> 00:40:24,238
Speaker 4: then people are gonna there's no way for me to

829
00:40:24,278 --> 00:40:27,078
Speaker 4: prove that. But the old methods of scouting with dudes

830
00:40:27,398 --> 00:40:29,438
Speaker 4: like getting in their car, driving all over the country

831
00:40:29,478 --> 00:40:32,678
Speaker 4: and bringing back players to an organization pretty darn good,

832
00:40:32,958 --> 00:40:35,678
Speaker 4: pretty darn good. And the difference would be we had

833
00:40:35,678 --> 00:40:37,598
Speaker 4: more chances. I mean, there was more guys drapped it.

834
00:40:37,638 --> 00:40:39,198
Speaker 4: There was more guys, there was more minor leagues, there

835
00:40:39,238 --> 00:40:41,678
Speaker 4: was more guys in organizations, there was more development going on.

836
00:40:41,998 --> 00:40:43,438
Speaker 3: It was more and more and more of all of

837
00:40:43,478 --> 00:40:44,558
Speaker 3: that compared to now.

838
00:40:44,598 --> 00:40:46,678
Speaker 4: I think now they feel like they can't be wrong

839
00:40:46,998 --> 00:40:51,038
Speaker 4: because they have less opportunities to develop these guys they need,

840
00:40:51,038 --> 00:40:54,078
Speaker 4: they need more of a finished product as opposed to

841
00:40:54,118 --> 00:40:57,718
Speaker 4: weight weight weight in a minor league situation, rookie ball,

842
00:40:57,758 --> 00:41:00,318
Speaker 4: two levels of rookie ball low, A high, A, double A,

843
00:41:00,398 --> 00:41:04,158
Speaker 4: triple A, and then even a couple Latin Americans team.

844
00:41:04,158 --> 00:41:07,278
Speaker 4: So it's just it's a different method involved. I'm here

845
00:41:07,278 --> 00:41:08,998
Speaker 4: to tell you I think the older method is the

846
00:41:09,278 --> 00:41:11,718
Speaker 4: former method is the better method in regards to the

847
00:41:11,718 --> 00:41:15,998
Speaker 4: player development. That's I think that's easy to defend. So

848
00:41:16,438 --> 00:41:19,278
Speaker 4: now they're locking up of these guys again. It's just

849
00:41:19,598 --> 00:41:23,358
Speaker 4: it's a different method of evaluating these players and the

850
00:41:24,078 --> 00:41:26,758
Speaker 4: fact that when you're able to come on board as

851
00:41:26,878 --> 00:41:30,798
Speaker 4: a group based on math, I think it's easier when

852
00:41:30,798 --> 00:41:32,558
Speaker 4: they're wrong to defend a decision.

853
00:41:33,038 --> 00:41:33,758
Speaker 3: I think that's right.

854
00:41:34,478 --> 00:41:35,958
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always been.

855
00:41:36,558 --> 00:41:38,318
Speaker 1: I mean, I have so much respect for the scouts

856
00:41:38,358 --> 00:41:40,278
Speaker 1: who have to make these calls.

857
00:41:40,558 --> 00:41:44,318
Speaker 2: It's always been a very difficult art, more so than

858
00:41:43,958 --> 00:41:45,358
Speaker 2: a science, that's right.

859
00:41:45,478 --> 00:41:45,878
Speaker 3: That's right.

860
00:41:46,038 --> 00:41:48,638
Speaker 1: Going back to twenty seventeen, if you took the top

861
00:41:48,718 --> 00:41:51,838
Speaker 1: ten prospects in baseball, because we hear these terms all

862
00:41:51,878 --> 00:41:54,998
Speaker 1: the time, right as you mentioned Joe, these lists, and

863
00:41:55,038 --> 00:41:58,478
Speaker 1: we think about top ten lists like, oh, that guy

864
00:41:58,558 --> 00:42:01,558
Speaker 1: is guaranteed to make it. Just to keep this in

865
00:42:01,638 --> 00:42:06,078
Speaker 1: mind here, in twenty seventeen, top ten prospects in baseball

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Speaker 1: included jan Mancata, Ahmed Rosario, Alex Reyes, Victor Roblace, and

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Speaker 1: Austin Meadows. Those are misses. Those are five of the

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Speaker 1: top ten I would call misses. So it has I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's gotten any easier to make calls on

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Speaker 1: these young players.

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Speaker 2: No matter what measurements we have to measure the skill set.

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Speaker 4: I still would like to see a more patient method

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Speaker 4: of development. There's a lot of impatients with that. You

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Speaker 4: are seeing some very young players get up there and

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Speaker 4: become stars quickly. But that's always been that way. I

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Speaker 4: don't think that it's given enough credit. What Robin you did,

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Speaker 4: or we could go down the list like in a

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Speaker 4: young Griffia, young Alex Rodriguez.

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Speaker 3: It's always there's always been the prodigies.

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Speaker 4: There's always been prodigies, but then the overall arching development

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Speaker 4: of others. And there's power numbers, for sure. I don't

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Speaker 4: think anybody can argue that. I just think if you

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Speaker 4: had the ability to maintain a larger develop mental system

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Speaker 4: with more more players, more more real coaches, more baseball

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Speaker 4: being taught. You know, I don't even know if I've

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Speaker 4: been noticing this or not, but our home runs down?

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Speaker 4: Is that like, is there more runs being developed right

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00:43:15,798 --> 00:43:19,318
Speaker 4: now through base hits and is more situational hitting become

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00:43:19,358 --> 00:43:21,238
Speaker 4: more of an art form again? Or am I just

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Speaker 4: is this just a small sample size.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a strikeout rate actually has gone down

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Speaker 1: a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I think that's okay. Get here.

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00:43:28,998 --> 00:43:31,478
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there is a little bit more emphasis

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Speaker 1: on that for sure. And that's why so many people

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Speaker 1: loved watching the Toronto Blue Jays in the postseason last year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought's because what I do is I'll watch

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Speaker 4: a game occasionally, but I'm so busy watching the Atlanta

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00:43:41,678 --> 00:43:44,358
Speaker 4: Hawks right now. Beat up on the Orlando Magic like

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Speaker 4: last night. So I'm involved in there a little bit.

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Speaker 4: But in the morning, I sit down and go through

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Speaker 4: the MLB app and I'll just watch the highlights, and

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00:43:51,718 --> 00:43:54,358
Speaker 4: it's just not been bludgeoning, you know. I'm just seeing

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Speaker 4: like I'm just seeing some better at baths like you're

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Speaker 4: suggesting right there. I'm just curious if that's going to

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Speaker 4: become part of the landscape. Again, it's a it is

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Speaker 4: a copycat league. Off somebody does well, obviously the next

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Speaker 4: year everybody goes to spring training and wants to emulate

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Speaker 4: that group. Nothing wrong with that, with it. For me,

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Speaker 4: with this, I listen, I want it all. I want

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Speaker 4: the three run homer. I want the ability to score

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Speaker 4: a run from third with less than two outs by

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Speaker 4: putting the ball in play. I want the runner moved

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Speaker 4: from second to third with nobody out, you know. I

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Speaker 4: want pitchers that are able to throw strikes and get

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Speaker 4: the third time through the batting order by being able

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Speaker 4: to throw a strike when they want to, not necessarily

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Speaker 4: all the time. I want, you know, great base running

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Speaker 4: when guy's going from first to third, second to home,

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Speaker 4: and even first to home on the ball in a gap.

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Speaker 4: I mean, all these things are they should never h

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Speaker 4: they should always be invoked.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm seeing some of that right now. It

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Speaker 3: should be awesome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, strikeout rate has gone down each of the last

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Speaker 1: two years. It's been a long time since that that

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Speaker 1: curve started going down two consecutive years. Now it's up

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Speaker 1: so far this year, but so early. I don't put

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Speaker 1: any stock in that. It's only one week of play.

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Speaker 3: Too cold.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, But.

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Speaker 1: At this point, Joe, I'm gonna tap my head for

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Speaker 1: a challenge, and the challenge is to you, very nice,

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Speaker 1: to bring us home here on the book of Joe.

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Speaker 2: What do you got for us this week?

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm just well, you know, watching some tough losses.

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Speaker 4: Teams lose, but they play hard and they try to

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Speaker 4: do well and all this stuff or just.

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Speaker 3: Just a bad day. You know, we all have bad days.

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Speaker 4: And the one thing I always used to go to

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Speaker 4: some of my players with the line after a bad

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Speaker 4: moment is just to re really trust the power of

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Speaker 4: twenty four hours. Twenty four hours can be very powerful.

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Speaker 4: You can go from your worst to your best day

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Speaker 4: expecting something wonderful to happen. So today I actually found

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Speaker 4: something that substantiated that, and it came from Admiral William

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Speaker 4: McRaven his insights on resilience. He said, even the worst

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Speaker 4: days only last twenty four hours. The quote serves as

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Speaker 4: a reminder that tough times are temporary, encouraging optimism and

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Speaker 4: the belief that tomorrow brings a fresh start. It highlights

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Speaker 4: that no bad situation lasts and definitely which I think

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Speaker 4: we all have a tendency to do, and it really

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Speaker 4: gets in the way and it couldn't impact today, And

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Speaker 4: you really never want to put a negative vibe on

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Speaker 4: today because even if it starts out, even if that

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Speaker 4: first drive you know, goes into ob whatever, you still

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Speaker 4: got seventeen hosts to recover. So I'm a big believer

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Speaker 4: in the power of twenty four hours. I use that

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Speaker 4: with my family a lot, my kids, my grandkids a lot,

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Speaker 4: and people that I know that I really respect and love.

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Speaker 4: So even the worst days only the last twenty four hours.

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Speaker 3: Hang in there, baby.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 1: It's a good message for Alex Cora to give his

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Speaker 1: Red Sox. Right six games, are already four games behind

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Speaker 1: the Yankees and they come home for their home opener

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Speaker 1: one in five. I don't know how you felt about

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Speaker 1: those first weeks, Joe, But man, you want to start

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Speaker 1: putting some wins on the scoreboard and not be playing uphill.

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Speaker 3: Two things.

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Speaker 4: First of all, of course, the Red Sox fans will

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Speaker 4: be very nourishing in their response. And the second, I

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Speaker 4: remember the one in seven rays going to Chicago, and

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Speaker 4: I had the toast on the airplane. It's some really

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Speaker 4: good stuff, some Sharbay whiskey from NAPA and went through

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Speaker 4: and I passed out the little urine sample cups and

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Speaker 4: their brand new the previously used, and I fled some

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Speaker 4: Sharbay and them thank you. I had to qualify that yet,

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Speaker 4: and I toasted the best one in seven team in

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Speaker 4: history of Major League Baseball. And eventually we've talked about this.

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Speaker 4: We did make the playoffs, and we did lose in

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Speaker 4: the playoffs, and eventually I did to say went through

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Speaker 4: the same thing, and I just said, apparently I was right.

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Speaker 4: This is the best team one in seven team in

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Speaker 4: history of Major League Baseball. So listen, it's all how

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Speaker 4: you frame it. You got to believe this stuff. Believe it,

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Speaker 4: and you'll see it. A lot of people have to

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Speaker 4: see it to believe it. If you believe it, you'll

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Speaker 4: eventually see it. That's the optimistic vibe you have to

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Speaker 4: carry with you every day. And again, recently I read

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Speaker 4: that little piece from one of I think branch Rickey's

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Speaker 4: daughters and granddaughters. I loved it, and I passed it

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Speaker 4: along to a lot of folks. But to expect some

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Speaker 4: thing wonderful to happen today, and if you do that,

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Speaker 4: it's going to show up at some point, since we

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Speaker 4: all have this tendency to exaggerate our plight, and remember

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Speaker 4: even the worst days only last twenty four hours.

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Speaker 1: Great stuff, Joe, We'll see you next time, all right, brother,

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