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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Giants Huddle, a New York Giants podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm John Shark and welcome to the newest edition of

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Speaker 1: the Giant Subtle Podcast. Today's guest ESPN analyst and former

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Speaker 1: NFL quarterback Dan Orlovsky. But first I don't remind you.

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Speaker 1: help us out. Now let's get to our guest. Were

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Speaker 1: joined by Dani Orlovski, former NFL quarterback, and of course

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Speaker 1: you see him. He's ubiquitous on ESPN. Uh, Dan, I

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Speaker 1: guess you're mostly on Get Up Right and NFL Alive.

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Speaker 1: Maybe a little bit. Where can people find taling about

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Speaker 1: on ESPN these days? Yeah, I mean Get up First,

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Speaker 1: Take Sports Center, NFL Live. I mean, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: we kind of do do it all when we're up there,

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Speaker 1: and so especially now that a lot of it is remote.

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Speaker 1: So really, any ESPN show that is generally focused on football.

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Speaker 1: UM I am a part of in some capacity, and

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Speaker 1: I hope you and your family is doing all. Everybody's

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Speaker 1: safe and healthy during this really weird time. Yeah, everyone's

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Speaker 1: doing it really well. Thank you. We uh you know,

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Speaker 1: obviously the weather turns for us people in the Northeast,

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Speaker 1: it gets a lot better and at being outside, you know,

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Speaker 1: So we were doing well. We're healthy, which we're thankful

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Speaker 1: for and hope hopefully the same for you. Man. Yeah, absolutely, Dan,

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Speaker 1: we are, thank you very much. All right, let's get

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Speaker 1: to you put a great video up on your Twitter

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Speaker 1: feed on Monday morning. You went back, you watched Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jones's uh rookie season, and the place you started was

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Speaker 1: is working against manthamn defense. Why don't you just tell

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Speaker 1: the folks out there that listens to the podcast exactly

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Speaker 1: what you saw. Well, you know, as I watched last year,

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Speaker 1: you know, I watched every game, Um at the week's

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Speaker 1: go so up and current on every team and every

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Speaker 1: player really or at least certainly the quarterbacks and what

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Speaker 1: they're doing well and struggling with. And you know, as

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Speaker 1: the off season got going, we did free agency and

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Speaker 1: then whatnot it was and soon with that in the draft,

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Speaker 1: and so as we settled into a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a back in the spring summertime, and said, okay, what guys,

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Speaker 1: can I really start watching more in depth and seeing

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Speaker 1: the things that they do or don't do well. And

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Speaker 1: so started with some of the younger guys and I

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Speaker 1: started with Daniel and um, you know, just went with

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Speaker 1: kind of no preconceived notion, just wanted to watch him play.

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Speaker 1: And you know, you start to see the differences as

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Speaker 1: a player, the things he's doing well and the things

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Speaker 1: that he's struggling with. And you know, when you're watching it,

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Speaker 1: my eyes go that's that's a nice throw versus man coverage.

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Speaker 1: And there's another nice throw in a tight window versus

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Speaker 1: man coverage, and there's another, and then you keep this

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Speaker 1: in my notes, you know, I just kind of start

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Speaker 1: seeing the trend of really accurate throws versus man coverage.

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Speaker 1: And so, um, I watched all the tape, watched all

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Speaker 1: the games over and as I'm rolling through my notes,

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Speaker 1: analytics have started to play a part. And so I

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Speaker 1: attact our research guy that I worked with, that Hespin,

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Speaker 1: Uh did the numbers say the same thing? And he

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Speaker 1: really cool I love when that happened. So it just

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Speaker 1: stood out that he excelled with his ball placement and

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Speaker 1: man coverage. And it got my brain wrecking on two things. One,

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Speaker 1: I remember doing a breakdown of Daniel Um against I

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Speaker 1: he was drafted. I said, this is his strength that

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Speaker 1: he is a very accurate thrower and a very anticipatory

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Speaker 1: thrower of the football. Um. And then um, it got

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Speaker 1: me thinking, men, when it comes to man coverage the

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Speaker 1: When you look at that, and I also think when

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Speaker 1: him as well. Of course, that's why teams flecks the

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Speaker 1: so much, because they get those indicators pre snap. And

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Speaker 1: I've always said, then it becomes recess football on the playground.

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Speaker 1: I've picked that guy first, I'm gonna throw them him

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Speaker 1: the ball a bunch, and so you're really just trying

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Speaker 1: think you know, some of their skill players played. I mean,

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Speaker 1: strong player, Ingram went healthy, played really well. And so

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Speaker 1: you know, when when the quarterback knows before the snap, okay,

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Speaker 1: sure that the guy that you chose he wins right now,

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Speaker 1: a win in the NFL, it's very difficult for fans

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Speaker 1: to understand what a win in the NFL looks like.

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Speaker 1: You know, like uh a women college football. You know,

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Speaker 1: a guy's three or four yards of separation. A win

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Speaker 1: of the defender and whatever capacity, whether he's running out,

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Speaker 1: there's breaking in coming back to you that there is

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Speaker 1: um I guess a body of separation. You know that

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Speaker 1: the that the defender is not in between the quarterback

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Speaker 1: and the receiver. Now that's not a lot of separation,

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Speaker 1: but that's open in the NFL. And that's why I

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Speaker 1: always have said this. Every guy in the NFL is accurate.

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Speaker 1: Every player in the NFL is accurate at that position.

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Speaker 1: It's the NFL the guys that become good players, really

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Speaker 1: good players, great players, special players. Has NFL accuracy, meaning

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Speaker 1: I could throw the ball in a four inch by

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Speaker 1: four inch box and the defender really doesn't matter. I'm

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Speaker 1: that accurate of a thrower, and I'm not saying that.

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is there yet. But you can definitely see

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Speaker 1: the comforts when he was throwing the football versus man

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Speaker 1: the accuracy. Yeah, Dan, I think it goes back to

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Speaker 1: something that we talked about last year round draft time.

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Speaker 1: You know, he wasn't exactly throwing to Ceedee Lamb when

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Speaker 1: he was throwing to, they were not really creating a

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Speaker 1: actually got him a little prepared for these NFL windows

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Speaker 1: you see it now. Yeah, And I think you know

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Speaker 1: that was probably part of my you know, mist evaluation,

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Speaker 1: undervalued how poor those players around him were. Um, And

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Speaker 1: I did a Duke game and I just didn't feel

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Speaker 1: love the fact that you brought up windows, um, and

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Speaker 1: in the different windows you're seeing, because as much as

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Speaker 1: he excelled in the man coverage. There's not really windows

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Speaker 1: that much in man coverage, you know what I'm saying, Like,

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Speaker 1: one type thing. I do believe that watching his tape,

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Speaker 1: he really needs and this would be the number one

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Speaker 1: thing more than the turnout, more than the fumbles and

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Speaker 1: a lot of money that he will fix that stuff

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Speaker 1: this offseason. The number one thing that if I was

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Speaker 1: don't he doesn't need to become you know, uh, he

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Speaker 1: doesn't need to have a howlitzro on her shoulder. But

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Speaker 1: the windows in the zone coverage that are smaller to

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Speaker 1: is that a matter of Dan of working on your arm?

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Speaker 1: Or is that like torque in the hips? Is that footwork?

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Speaker 1: his pass? Is trying to get those balls downfield? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's really starting from the ground up and working back

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Speaker 1: of it is just building up that shoulder in that capsule.

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Speaker 1: A lot of it is the wrist in the forearm

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Speaker 1: and so again all these there's so much signs behind

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Speaker 1: the course of his rookie year. Yeah, I mean, obviously

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Speaker 1: seeing NFL defenses. And and the reality is this zone

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Speaker 1: And I know that chef can win in the slot.

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Speaker 1: Swayton seems to be a problem. But who where's my ingram?

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Speaker 1: Is a matchup god? But where's my fifth score? Because

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Speaker 1: then you want to craft all those things around, you know. Okay,

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Speaker 1: if I put my fifth score out there, you better

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Speaker 1: a five GBS that can match up guys. You don't.

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Speaker 1: My guy's gonna win, Okay? Cool? You want to bring

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Speaker 1: a guy, you want to bring one of your better

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Speaker 1: guys in the goat of my fist guy, Well, now

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Speaker 1: my third guys better than your guy. You know, and

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Speaker 1: so it's all about trying to find the weakness of

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Speaker 1: you know, having enough people on your team to find

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Speaker 1: the weakness of a defense. Now, talking about Jones learned

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Speaker 1: the offense and the coaches learning Jones. To your point,

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Speaker 1: what's the impact here? And I'm probably not gonna know

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Speaker 1: this until September October, Dan, but what's the impact of

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Speaker 1: not being able to be on the field with these

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Speaker 1: guys in the spring and even being in person for

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Speaker 1: meetings compared to the virtual stuff that they've had to

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Speaker 1: do for the last couple of months. Yeah, it's a

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Speaker 1: big deal. Um, I've said this, the teams that have

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Speaker 1: the vetteran quarterbacks are a big advantage because those those

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Speaker 1: guys are the bona fide leaders and they've been through

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Speaker 1: it and they got years under their belt, and players

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Speaker 1: have confidence that just because we have that guy, we're

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Speaker 1: going to be okay through this. Now, these younger quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: and Daniel Jones obviously one like, they're just starting to

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Speaker 1: plant their flag. They're just starting to really take over

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Speaker 1: and be this is my franchise, you know, And I

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Speaker 1: know there is this, there is the lack of ego

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Speaker 1: and this is our team. There's no question about that.

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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, you're the CEO

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Speaker 1: of the billion dollar company, and it'd be nice to

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Speaker 1: have the CEO of the billion dollar company having faith

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Speaker 1: to faith interactions with with his people. The reality is

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Speaker 1: that's not there, and so um, it's just it's the

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Speaker 1: little things. It's the sitting in the meeting room at

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Speaker 1: six o'clock in the morning together grinding on tape and

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Speaker 1: getting you know, you don't watch tape together, you study

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Speaker 1: tape together. How does he study? I want to know

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Speaker 1: how he studies? How does this kid study when he's

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Speaker 1: watching tape? Is there are a way that I can

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Speaker 1: help him study better? And okay, coach, how do you

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Speaker 1: watch tape? You? You know, like, how are we gonna

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Speaker 1: game plan watching tape? How are we gonna practice through

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Speaker 1: the season? Is when are they gonna be our regular instar?

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Speaker 1: Are we gonna do red zone and and third down

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Speaker 1: on third day? All those things? And then being on

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Speaker 1: the field. Some of the greatest growth for players. Let

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Speaker 1: all quarterbacks book for players in between plays, in between periods, Daniel,

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Speaker 1: why the heck did you throw that ball over there?

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Speaker 1: Hey man? That was four? That was a beautiful read.

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Speaker 1: Tell me how you saw that all that stuff? Hey, coach, listen,

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Speaker 1: I like taking three step drop out of the gun.

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Speaker 1: I don't feel comfortable. So you're gonna five Daniel, You're

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Speaker 1: getting too deep in your gun dropped, you know, like

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Speaker 1: all those little things in between plays they miss out

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Speaker 1: on and it's just it's it. Uh, Yeah, they're we're

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Speaker 1: they're gonna We're gonna ask the players to walk and

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Speaker 1: run in certain systems before they've ever had the chance

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Speaker 1: to crawl and fall, and there's gonna be that growing

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Speaker 1: pain there and and kind of whatever team I guess

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Speaker 1: handles it with their younger quarterback the best certainly will

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Speaker 1: start this season in an advantage Dan. Final two questions,

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Speaker 1: big picture ones. When you go back and you think

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Speaker 1: about everything that was said about Jones coming out of college, Uh,

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Speaker 1: what do you think he proved wrong about some of

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Speaker 1: that analysis in that rookie year. Uh, now that you've

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Speaker 1: basically watched every snappy took on tape over the past

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Speaker 1: couple of days. Yeah, And I was one of those people. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, I would say this through one season, Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jones is more talented just as a base talent than

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Speaker 1: I gave him credit for again, I think I undervalued

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Speaker 1: the lack of people around him and how how poor

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Speaker 1: they were. Um, I think the toughness them that that

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Speaker 1: was displayed, the personality was a thing for me, Like

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Speaker 1: I A, I think his personality was one that was

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Speaker 1: endearing two guys on his football team. He obviously handled

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Speaker 1: a wildly unique situation pretty darn well. Yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: just think the maybe the under the foundational talent is

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Speaker 1: better than I certainly gave him credit for. Um. And

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Speaker 1: you know I that that the testament to the work

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Speaker 1: and the character of him. I do believe we got

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Speaker 1: to give young quarterbacks three years to figure out what

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Speaker 1: they really are. And so and I've said this and

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Speaker 1: I've said this when Daniel was drafted. He can't be good.

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Speaker 1: You know, he can't be good because the sixth pick

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Speaker 1: of the draft can't be good. You gotta go be great.

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Speaker 1: And um, you know, he's certainly laid a really really

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Speaker 1: promising start and the second year will be part of

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Speaker 1: his story. Yeah. The final question, just how optimistic should

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Speaker 1: Giant fans beat right now? What? What should they be

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Speaker 1: thinking about their rookie quarterback heading at the year? Two

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Speaker 1: milestones they should look for and just the overall confidence

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Speaker 1: level that the Giants do have their next franchise quarterback. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would be very very optimistic. You know what about

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Speaker 1: his game? Do you sit there and go, oh, you know,

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Speaker 1: like you know, I very optimistic. Again, context matters. He

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Speaker 1: was thrust into a wild situation and the team wasn't crazy,

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Speaker 1: counted and went out and played some good football and

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Speaker 1: played some promising football. Now play better when it matters

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Speaker 1: more against good defenses, and that is not going to

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Speaker 1: happen overnight. This is the developmental position giants fill as

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Speaker 1: wild is this are crazy? This is gonna sound You

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Speaker 1: gotta remain patiently impatient. You know, you gotta be impatient

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Speaker 1: because you want to win right now and you've gotta

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00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: dynamic tailback that's not getting any younger. But there is

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Speaker 1: a patient's aspect to that position in the development of it,

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Speaker 1: and so you want them to play bigger football. Um

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Speaker 1: against better teams, against better defense is what it matters

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Speaker 1: more and more, consistency, obviously, valuing the football and um,

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Speaker 1: you know, just continuing to take the developmental steps and

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Speaker 1: sometimes when you need to carry the football team, can

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Speaker 1: you That will be always be the question for the quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: Can you when the number one receivers out, or the

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Speaker 1: offensive line stinks today or the defense got a thirty

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Speaker 1: burger hung on them? Can you carry the team? And? Um,

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Speaker 1: you have moments like that this season? I would? I would?

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Speaker 1: You want your quarterback to be in there and you

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Speaker 1: want him to do that, Dan, will be fun to

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Speaker 1: see the Giants season, hopefully knock on what it starts

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Speaker 1: on times. The first three opponents the Steelers, the Bears,

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Speaker 1: and the forty nine ers, So we're gonna learn. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna learn a lot in those first three games. Man,

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Speaker 1: oh man, that is not an easy way to start.

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Speaker 1: Good luck number eight. Don't read the comments on social media,

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00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: but yeah, absolutely Dan, that was tremendous man. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Get back to the family. Thanks so much. We love

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Speaker 1: your work and we'll talk to you down the road.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you. But that was dan Orlowski from ESPN,

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Speaker 1: former NFL quarterback. What a great job breaking down Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jones and what he has done so far in the

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Speaker 1: NFL and what's ahead for him and your number two

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Speaker 1: under a new offensive coordinator in Jason Garrett. For dan Orlowski,

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