1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: Hour or two of Clan Buck starts right now, and 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: our friend Andy McCarthy is with us with his latest 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: thoughts on the crazy world we live in now of 4 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: the Democrats celebrating the indictment of Donald Trump by Alvin 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: Bragg in New York City, and we have Andy, of course, 6 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: is a Fox News contributor. He is a former prosecutor 7 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: from the Southern District of New York Or for twenty 8 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: years there. Andy, great to have you back on, sir. 9 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: Let's just start with your We just want the Andy 10 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: reaction to Wow, they actually are doing it. They're doing it. 11 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: You know, I really they told me Buck, because I 12 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: thought when they said the grand jury was gone for 13 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: a month, it looked like he was folding. And obviously 14 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: same here by the way, we just assumed it's that 15 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: seems like a weird head fake. Well, you know, I 16 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: think what they wanted to do was get all twenty 17 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: three grand juries there to vote on it, because they 18 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: probably it's not the kind of case you would want 19 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: to vote with less than close to the full amount. 20 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: They probably wanted to get them there with as little 21 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: fans there as possible, so they could get in and 22 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: do what they thought they needed to do, and so 23 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: it worked it with good head take all, right, what now, 24 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: you've you've been involved in high profile cases in New 25 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: York City for a long time, granted on the federal side, 26 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: this is the state side. What would you anticipate happening now? 27 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: For everybody out there that is listening and trying to think, uh, 28 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: you know, procedurally where we are headed, what the time 29 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: frame will look like? What next? Well, I think you know, obviously, 30 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: we have the circus in town on Tuesday, which is 31 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: a pretty pro form you know, normal event in a 32 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: criminal case. They're going to bring the former president and 33 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: he's not going to be arrested. He'll be brought in 34 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: in the custody of the Secret Service to the DA's 35 00:01:55,920 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: office and ONEPD will be there. The DA's office, for 36 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: those who don't know, in Lower Manhattan, is connected to 37 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: the courthouse during the same complex. So he'll be processed, 38 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: which means fingerprints and mug shots, and then he'll be 39 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: brought before a judge who will take a plea. He'll 40 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: plead not guilty and then as as The New York 41 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: Post is reporting that Trump thinks that the judge is 42 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: already selected and that it's the judge who had the 43 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 1: case involving his financial guy at the trunk organization, Alan Weisfelberg, 44 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: a judge by the name of Merchahn, will have to 45 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: see if that's true or not. But what will happen 46 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: once two day is done is if Trump's not going 47 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: to have bail conditions. This is a non violent crime, 48 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: so he'll be released on his own cognizance, and then 49 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: the case will be in the hands of the judge 50 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: who will be responsible for thereafter. And there's going to 51 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: be a slow of motion practice because this is the 52 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: unusual case where there's probably a lot of reasons, very 53 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: culortable reasons to move to dismiss the case. So it's 54 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: a congested court, which means even normal cases don't get 55 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: tried for a very very long time. And here the 56 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: complications attendant to it are immense. And Guys, that's even 57 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: assuming for the sake of argument that Noah the prosecute 58 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: or files charges, which we I don't think can safely assume. 59 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: So Andy, can I ask on the let's assume that 60 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: it doesn't if it has that judge who I think 61 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: we could say is an anti Trump judge, Our guy 62 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: who's not inclined. This is not the judge of Trump 63 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: would want there. The Trump people have already said Trump's 64 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: lawyer I saw last night there's a couple of lawyers. 65 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: One of them said Trump will absolutely not take a 66 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: plea deal because I would assume in a non violent, 67 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: low level campaign finance issue, right usually this would be 68 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: something that probably someone pays a fine riety, you know, 69 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: and they'd offer that, oh, you pay a fine, plead guilty. 70 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: But if Trump says no, there is there a real 71 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: possitive Could this have any jail time attached to it? 72 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: I mean, could someone actually go to I think, But 73 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: in principle, the answer to that question would have to 74 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 1: be yes, because what he's trying to do is inflace 75 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: the missemeter into a felony. Right now, as a as 76 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: a matter of law, I don't think he can do it. 77 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: So I think he's bragg is going to lose on that. 78 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: But let's just say, for argument's sake that he's indicted 79 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: him for felonies, and he could get convicted of felonies. 80 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: Each of those felonies is a four year town And 81 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: that's a long winded way of bringing me to my 82 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: next point, which I don't think has gotten enough attention, 83 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: but um is something we should keep our eye on, 84 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: and that is apparently this is a thirty four count indictment, 85 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: and it's a it's a kind of a typical prosecutorial 86 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: of abuse, which in Justice Department in federal cases has 87 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: guidance against. Gran's telling federal prosecutors not to do this, 88 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: that if you don't have a serious crime, what you 89 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: try to do is camouflage with quality or quantity what 90 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: you don't have in quality. You take something that shouldn't 91 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: even be indicted at all, and you turn it into 92 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: thirty four felony counts, and you hope to signal to 93 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: the jury that, gee, the government wouldn't have charged thirty 94 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: four counts unless this was a really serious bad So 95 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 1: any this is like the count of countless counts, right, 96 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: so you know, look, any prosecutor can do this kind 97 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: of thing. Like you know, if if we three died, 98 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: were you know, sitting around looking at our stolen property, 99 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: and we were passing it back and forth to each other. 100 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: In theory, each time we passed it back and forth, 101 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: I could charge a transfer of stolen property acount. Right, 102 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: A felon account, but in reality we're just sitting there 103 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: with stolen property, right and on account would be plenty, 104 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: And good prosecutors, ethical prosecutors who have serious passes, don't 105 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: bring a million towns because you don't need a million pouns. 106 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: The Justice Department guidance says that in any but the 107 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: most serious tenses, you shouldn't have more than fifteen towns 108 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: in an indictment. So to turn this thing, which the 109 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 1: federal authority who had a jurisdiction over it, the Justice Department, 110 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: in the Federal Election Commission, they didn't pursue Trump on this, 111 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: to turn it not only into a felony, but say felony, 112 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: but thirty four felonies by a district attorney who doesn't 113 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: have jurisdiction over it is mind bodeling it. Okay, that 114 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: goes into what you just kind of hinted at. We're 115 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: talking to Annie McCarthy, who is a formal former federal 116 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: prosecutor in New York City. Okay, so this case may 117 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: eventually go to a jury, there may be a resolution. 118 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,799 Speaker 1: I would presume, and you correct me if I'm wrong, 119 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: that this would theoretically happen sometime in twenty twenty four, 120 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: legitimately potentially in the middle of a presidential election year, 121 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: which is crazy right by itself, But I believe that 122 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: there are And this is me putting my lawyer head on. 123 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: You're a far more skilled criminal lawyer than I am, 124 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: so I want your opinion on this. When I read 125 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: and analyze this, it seems to me there are clear 126 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: statute of limitations issues, Okay. And it also seems, and 127 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: you talked about this with us the last time you 128 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: were on that trying to peg in many ways a 129 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: state violation to federal election law violations is a very tenuous, 130 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: without precedent in many ways method of which President Trump 131 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: is being charged. I think that as we move up 132 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: in the appeals process and it becomes a question of 133 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: law for judges both in New York and maybe then 134 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: as it crosses over to higher level courts, theoretically this 135 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: go all the way the Supreme Court, somebody is going 136 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: to toss this out like the Supreme Court did. Buck 137 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: mentioned it earlier, the Bob McDonald charges that were convictions 138 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: were obtained for in Virginia. Do you think that's likely? 139 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: And if it is, this is a multi year legal 140 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: process where I mean Trump could theoretically be president of 141 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: the United States before this thing has ever resolved. Yeah, 142 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: but I would say you're not only talking about multi years. 143 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: Your comparison to McDonald is a good one to make 144 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: this point. McDonald was a federal case, So you have 145 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: a straight line to the Supreme Court. Right, You get 146 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: your appeal to the Circuit Court of Appeals, and then 147 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: you automatically go up to the Supreme Court. In the 148 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: state system, Trump would have to go all the way 149 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 1: through the state process, the state court that he's in, 150 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: the appellate division to appeal it, the New York State 151 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: Court of Appeals, and then when his whole New York 152 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: thing is run, which takes years. Is if there's some 153 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: federal issue that impacted the case, the Supreme Court could 154 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: take it. And I say that as somebody who agrees 155 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: with you that there are multiple reasons where why. And 156 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 1: I don't want to put worth in your out here, 157 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: but I think it's likely that this thing, if the 158 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: judge is doing a job right, this thing will be 159 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: thrown out before it ever gets the trial. But what 160 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: I would caution people is once a case is in 161 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: the court, that is, once you've indicted the case and 162 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 1: it judges a sign the prosecutor loses any control over 163 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: the schedule. So a lot of this will have to 164 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: do with the proclivity of the judge and some of 165 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: them to be a little eccentric. Even if this is 166 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: the only case brought against Trump, even if the Fulton 167 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: County people do nothing in the special counter fool does nothing. 168 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: I don't see this case getting to trial, you said 169 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. I would say, yes, no earlier than that, 170 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: unless it gets thrown out before trial. Okay, building on that, 171 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: we simultaneously. Have you just mentioned the Fulton County case, 172 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: You've got now the New York City case. Also you 173 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: have the investigation going on into the Mara Lago classified 174 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: documents as well as January sixth, I floated this idea. 175 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: I'm curious what your expectation. This is the political as 176 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: much as it is the legal. More so probably that 177 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: I expect eventually for the Biden administration to come out 178 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: and adopt what I'm calling the Shaggy defense, which is saying, 179 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: for those of you who remember the song back in 180 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: the day, it wasn't me right that Biden can say, hey, 181 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 1: this is a state court, I'm not involved in this 182 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: at all, and that this could take Merrick Garland off 183 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: of having to bring any federal charges, because really what 184 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: Democrats want is Trump to face charges in some way, 185 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: and if he gets him maybe in Atlanta, and he's 186 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 1: got him in New York City, the federal aspect of this, 187 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: Biden could even say, Hey, I'm going to pardon Trump 188 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: and look like the good guy, but it wouldn't impact 189 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: whether those state courses could still be proceeding. Do you 190 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: buy into that idea, Yeah, I think it's entirely possible. 191 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: What cuts against it is that it looks right now 192 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: like the Special Cancel is stepping up his investigative activity, 193 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: you know, the pursuit of having Pence testifying, the grand jury, 194 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,439 Speaker 1: the bringing. I guess what I'm saying, Andy, is Biden 195 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: could look like the good guy by saying there's clear 196 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: violations here, but I think it's bad for the country 197 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: for my Department of Justice to be charging Trump with crimes. 198 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: We're not going to do it, and then he still 199 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: gets the benefit of the state courts doing it while 200 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: also looking like a good guy. But I not But 201 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: any it sounds like you think that because I think 202 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: this that there may actually be federal charges coming to Yeah, 203 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: I think that, you know two things. To Clay's point, 204 00:11:52,760 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: I think there's no hurry on the federal side. Right 205 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: the yptional limitations on this stuff is not going to 206 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: run still earliest twenty twenty five, so they don't have 207 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: to plant their feet. Biden can't, I don't think, come 208 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: out and say I don't want my Justice Department getting 209 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: involved in this, because he's been a stickler from the 210 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: beginning of saying that the White House has nothing to 211 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 1: do with how the Justice Department is run. And because 212 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: of the jeopardy that the Biden family is in, he 213 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: can't afford to be taking the public position that he's 214 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: actually willing and dealing and controlling what the Justice Department does. 215 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: So I don't see him doing that, but I could 216 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: see him doing a silent version of it. Whereas like 217 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: the Justice Department has a lot of investigative activity like 218 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: they're doing now, but they don't actually charge anything. They 219 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: get all the benefit of the circus going on in 220 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: the safe proceedings, and in the meantime they can afford 221 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: to keep their powdered dry because they don't have to 222 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: charge Trump until twenty twenty five, the earliest andy in 223 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 1: your mind, just one more for you, then we got 224 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: to run to a break. Is there a realistic chance 225 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: that they put Donald Trump in his cell at some 226 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: point with all these different investigations in your mind? Or 227 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 1: are you worried that that's actually what they think is 228 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: going to happen. I don't unless he gets convicted of something, buck, 229 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: I don't see that. If he gets convicted, then it's 230 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: going to depend on what he gets convicted. If it's 231 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: this nonsense in New York, you know, I'm tempted to 232 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: say there's no way except you know, you guys mentioned 233 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: the accountant before A Weislberg is sitting in Rikers Island, 234 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: you know what. That's why. That's why to me it 235 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: has to be taken seriously, because his accountant, they got 236 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: him on the most kind of low level mickey mouse nonsense. Well, 237 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: but also he's got Supreme Court sorry, he's got Secret 238 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: Service protection. So I don't even know how you could 239 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: put him in you like, but what would happen if 240 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: Trump were elected president and simultaneously he was found guilty 241 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: of a state court charge. Could he be president of 242 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: the United States from a jail cell. I mean, I'm 243 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: just I legally, I'm just trying to even think through 244 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: the perfectations here, Andy, And I think what the Supreme 245 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: Court would say is if the Senate, if that, if 246 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: the Congress does not impeach and remove him, then what 247 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: the constitution sentence is, you have to be over thirty five, 248 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: a natural board United States citizen, and resident in the 249 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: country for fourteen years. If you meet those qualifications. The 250 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: American people, if they want to, if they want to 251 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: elect someone who's doing time in leaven Worth, there's nothing 252 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: the constitutions that they can so. I mean literally, he 253 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: could run the presidency from Rikers Island. Well, that remains 254 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: to be seen. I mean that to me, that would 255 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: be a good reason why. Um, you know you have 256 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: to start thinking about impeachment if we got to that point. 257 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: But you know, this is so unfriend. Anyone tells you 258 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: that they know how this is going to work out 259 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: with all the things we're now going to go through 260 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: that we've never gone through before. Who I mean, it's 261 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: like a league. That's the key, Andy, Like you're just 262 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: kind of throwing out random things that have never happened before. 263 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: I mean, this is it's wild because no one knows 264 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: where where it's gonna go. Andy, we need to do 265 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: like a like a two hour sit down podcast with 266 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: you about this, and we'll have to talk to your 267 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: people about it. We gotta run your break now. Everyone 268 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: look for Andy National Review and on Fox News Andie 269 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: McCarthy always illuminating, sir, Thanks for being with us. Thanks guys, 270 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: have a great weekend. You know, Clay, one quick thing 271 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: and I just keep for I just want to introduce 272 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: in the conversation because I've been meaning to say this. 273 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: The reason they're one of the reasons they're doing this 274 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: charge too, why this is the first one, because it's 275 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: they were trying to humiliate Trump. It's about the nature 276 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: of the charge too. 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But I 314 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: want your calls here. Eight hundred two eight two two 315 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: eight eight two. We've discussed the indictment. What is the 316 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: political ramification of that indictment? Does it help or hurt Trump? 317 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 1: That is I think the most interesting aspect of this 318 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: going forward. Let's discuss that. Good calls, good interaction. Both 319 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 1: fucking myself will be sharing our opinions on how exactly 320 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 1: that all breaks down. We will discuss with you when 321 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: we come back. In the meantime, My Pollo, they got 322 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: a lot of fun. 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You guys are all 342 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: fired up obviously we're in unprecedented times. What the Democrats 343 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: have done is you know, you you have to be 344 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: careful with the words here. I was gonna say, you know, shocking, 345 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: and but we've known they were completely unethical. We've known 346 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: that they were planning to do something like this, So 347 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 1: in some sense, I guess we were prepared, even though 348 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: we realize how bad this is for the country. It's 349 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 1: it's it's just it's it's crazy. It's crazy. I try 350 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: to think of other words that I could say in 351 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: the radio without getting in trouble. Let's get to some 352 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 1: of your calls. All see your emails. By the way, 353 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: Clayan Buck vi IP go to Clonbuck dot com. Please 354 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: become a VIP subscriber. You can emails directly. It's kind 355 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: of like the Bat phone, but it's the Clay and 356 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: Buck well, but it's an email box, so that doesn't 357 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: really work. So it's the bat email box, which doesn't 358 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 1: make any sense. So I'm just gonna step away from 359 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: that one. Let's get U in Houston, Texas. Todd, You've 360 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 1: got some thoughts on the politics of this indictment. What's 361 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: going on? Yeah, good afternoon, guys. I don't think that 362 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: that's You're right on the Democrats not warning him to run. 363 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 1: I think they're scared of him to run. We need 364 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: to remember that President Trump only lost by forty thousand 365 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: votes and that's between you know, the states of Georgia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, 366 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 1: and Michigan. And uh, you know, giveing Arizona, Arizona, I think, Andy, 367 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: can I can I give you? By the way, I 368 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: am by no means saying that your theory or your 369 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: ideas is incorrect. You may may very well be totally 370 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: spot on. What do you think though about that was 371 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: when he was an incumbent. Now he's running as a challenger. 372 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: Do you think that matters a lot? No, I don't. 373 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: I think he'll be strong. And you guys even have 374 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: reference recently Luncoln's success in Virginia. You know that with 375 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 1: that state maybe being in play, and I think a 376 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 1: lot of those that you said would stay at home 377 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: the last time, and what's going on now? And on 378 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 1: top of can I say something at Todd that I 379 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: think I think it is in line with your theory also, 380 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: or rather would add to your sense of this because 381 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: by the way, I don't pretend to know and no 382 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 1: one knows, right, but your your sensibility here, or rather 383 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: your analysis, I think is very astute. It was COVID. 384 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,360 Speaker 1: I mean, we had an election, you know, forget about 385 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 1: everything else and the and the ballot, the COVID year. 386 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: It was people weren't themselves. The whole psychology of the 387 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,959 Speaker 1: country was turned upside down. So this would be just 388 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: based on that alone, a very different election. Todd's asking 389 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: the most important question from a political perspective, right, not 390 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: the legal, not the precedent going forward. Let's presume that 391 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: we're squaring up and it's going to be Trump versus 392 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: Biden rematch twenty twenty four. Okay. The question that I 393 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: think is the most paramount here is eighty one million 394 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 1: people according to the tally. I don't want to get 395 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: all the emails about oh they okay, eighty one million 396 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: people showed up and voted for Joe Biden according to 397 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 1: the tally. In twenty around seventy five million showed up 398 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: and voted for Donald Trump in twenty twenty. We see 399 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: rematches all the time in sports, right, outcome can be different, 400 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: happens all the time. My question, and I don't claim 401 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: to know the answer. I don't think anyone can know 402 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 1: the answer. Of the eighty one million votes that Joe 403 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: Biden got in twenty twenty, how many of those people 404 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 1: would show up and vote for Joe Biden again in 405 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. Of the seventy five million that Trump got, 406 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 1: how many of those seventy five million would show up 407 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 1: and vote for Trump again? And significantly, how many, let's 408 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 1: say there's one hundred and fifty six million votes that 409 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: came in, how many of those people out there who 410 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: voted in twenty twenty would change their opinion? The callers right, 411 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: twenty thousand vote opinion change right. But Wisconsin, Arizona, and Georgia, 412 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: if you change twenty thousand votes in those three states, 413 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: donald Trump wins the election. That's how close it was 414 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: would have been two sixty nine. Two sixty nine House 415 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 1: of Representatives would have decided who the president was in 416 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: twenty twenty. So, to me, the question you have to 417 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: ask is, how does the calculus change in twenty twenty 418 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,679 Speaker 1: four if Trump's the guy? And remember Trump lost. Trump 419 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: lost because suburban voters. These are the same voters that 420 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 1: didn't vote for herschel Walker. Outside of Atlanta, the voters 421 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: that did not vote for Donald Trump outside of Milwaukee. 422 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: Voters that did not vote for Donald Trump actually in 423 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: the Phoenix area. Are those people more likely to change 424 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: their opinions because I think most of the states would 425 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: stay the same forty four or so of them. So 426 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: we also got an email in from a VIP who 427 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: has a different take on this than Todd Susan writes 428 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: in the constant beating of the drums last night that 429 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 1: the GOP now has no choice but to unite behind 430 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: Trump as the only candidate. Is offensive. I want Alvin 431 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: Bragg to pick my candidate like I want a hole 432 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 1: in my head. Trump might bring out the worst in 433 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 1: these hacks, but he was the one who knew Stormy Daniels. 434 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: He was the one who hired Michael Cohen. He is 435 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: the one that tried to rely upon silly voting machine attorneys. 436 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 1: His bad judgment never ends and is very tiresome. If 437 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 1: the Democrats stick with Trump as the GOP candidate, I 438 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: will be very bummed. Is that the goal or what 439 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 1: Biden is quiet? Because he could be right behind them, 440 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: right behind him thoughts, Let me just say this is there. 441 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 1: We have diverse perspectives on the issue. Of the GOP's 442 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: future among this audience and before anyone, I swear that 443 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: is an email from a VIP Okay, this is actually 444 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: coming from the listen. I think the question that we 445 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 1: got from our caller in Houston, and you say that 446 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: with Susan, who you're reading a VIP email from. Yeah, 447 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: these are very astute answers and questions that are being asked. 448 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: And here's the reality. No one knows. Right. So if 449 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,919 Speaker 1: you're out there right now like, oh, this guarantees that 450 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: X is going to happen, I would just say you 451 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: are to be fair crazy because we're nine months away 452 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: still from the first votes in the primary season being cast. 453 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: We don't know how this is going to play out 454 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: in the short term. Buck, I don't think there's any doubt. 455 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: I think this benefits Trump. I just put up a 456 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: poll question and I said, does this make you more 457 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: or less likely to vote for Donald Trump? Right? What 458 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: just happened? More or less likely? Thousands of you have 459 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: voted already, and seventy eight percent are saying makes me 460 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: more likely to vote for Donald Trump. Twenty two percent 461 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: are saying less likely. Okay, so how is that going 462 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: to play over time? And to what extent. How does 463 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 1: Trump handle this buck? I think there's now reports that 464 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: he's going to be arraigned at two fifteen on Tuesday, 465 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: that is going to be a zoo in New York City. 466 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 1: He then has the opportunity to come out and speak 467 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: on the courthouse steps and what will probably be one 468 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,719 Speaker 1: of the most watched comments slash moments of Donald Trump's 469 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 1: political career. What does he say? Last night? I said 470 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: the message should be not that he's a victim, in 471 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 1: my opinion, but that this is everything wrong with America 472 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: and that if you wanted to continue to be a 473 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: banana Republic, you have to support Joe Biden. Or is 474 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,479 Speaker 1: he gonna come out, he's gonna take shots at the scantis. 475 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: Is he gonna say awful victim? Yeah? Yeah. I would 476 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: say that the fact that they went with this charge 477 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: at this stage, after all the stuff that we have heard, 478 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: it would be one thing. If I don't know, they 479 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: caught Trump taking money from Chinese and Ukrainian business interest 480 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 1: to the tune of millions of dollars that he didn't 481 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: pay taxes on and was clearly trying to hide through LLC's. 482 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 1: You can't really defend that right, unless you're Joe Biden's son, 483 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: in which case it doesn't matter. But I'm just saying, 484 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 1: if they had him on something where we all would 485 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: have to say, you know, oh, I mean, you did 486 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: really break the law and it does kind of matter, 487 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 1: that would be an entirely different conversation. They've gotten him 488 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: on something that we can sit here in good faith 489 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: and say, Annie McCarthy Klanaro just saying this off air too. 490 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: Always a straight knows the stuff backwards and fords, but 491 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: it's always a straight shooter too. He doesn't say what 492 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: he thinks people want to hear on one side of 493 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: the other. And he's sitting here, He's like, this is crazy. 494 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: This is just crazy that they're bringing this indictment. So 495 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 1: that's part of why I think it's not just they're 496 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: indicting a former president. And I think this is a 497 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: really important separation to to establish they are indicting a 498 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: former president in a way or or on a basis 499 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: that should get the prosecutor disbarred. That's how egregious and 500 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 1: flimsy and absurd and politicize this is. And so it 501 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: might get him the governor's office. Alb And this this 502 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: is what we told you for I haven't heard a 503 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: lot of people talk about this either. It can be 504 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 1: nationally a poor decision for Alvin Bragg to bring these 505 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: charges for purposes of his state political standing. He has 506 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: elevated himself to a level that every district attorney in 507 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 1: America is jealousy of Democrat for anyone, and our our 508 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: wr audience certainly knows this backwards and forwards, although a 509 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 1: lot of them who live in some of the outlying 510 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: suburbs and Staten Island deal with this a whole lot less. 511 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: But for anyone who doesn't know what it's like that 512 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: for people living in a place like New York, imagine 513 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: you're in a room with you know, with ten people, 514 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: and nine of them think that double masking alone outside 515 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: because Fauci says so is a great idea. They think that, 516 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: you know, Kamala Harris is a great leader of the 517 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: future and we should all unite behind her. They think, 518 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: you know, go down the list. Nine of the ten 519 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: people in the room with you think that that is 520 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: New York City. That's the way it is in some 521 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: of these Democrats strongholds. So just there is no voice 522 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: of reason. That's why that's why I'm trying to just 523 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: establish this for everybody. There's no one really saying, hey, 524 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: hold on a second, we have to get a handle 525 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: on things. So anyway, we'll take more calls, more emails, 526 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: because this is it looks it's important that all of 527 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: you have your voices heard by your fellow conservatives and 528 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: fellow patriots all across the country. So we'll bring more 529 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: of that in. Then we have coming up. Obviously, we're 530 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: gonna have the interview and we're looking forward to speaking 531 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: to Benjamin Hall about his book and his story, which 532 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: is coming up in just a few minutes. Like everything 533 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: else affected by inflation, it's more expensive than ever for 534 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: gun owners to train at the range. 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First time in the 558 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: two hundred and forty year history of the United States 559 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: that a former president or president when running for office 560 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: like this, has been indicted. Gretchen in Georgia, what do 561 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: you think? Well, what I think is whatever they try 562 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: to do to Trump, Trumpsters are going to vote for Trump. 563 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: I know a lot of small town Democrats that voted 564 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: for Biden don't want him to run again. They think 565 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: he's too old and too incompetent, and they don't like Trump. 566 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: So what I think is going to happen is those 567 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 1: Democrats won't vote at all. It could be a plus 568 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: for Trump. Yes, it's a great that's look. The reality is, Buck, 569 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: we don't know. But the question I'm asking, which I 570 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: think you all have to consider as we move through 571 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: all of this crazy process, is eighty one million people 572 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: voted for Joe Biden in twenty twenty And I'm not 573 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: going to have an argument about like, oh, well they 574 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: changed like eighty one million people. Okay, As one of 575 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: our callers pointed out, twenty thousand voters change their minds 576 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: in Wisconsin, in Georgia, in Arizona, Trump wins, right, how 577 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: many of those eighty one million will show up for 578 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: Biden and how many of the seventy five million will 579 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: show up for Trump? What would change in twenty twenty four? 580 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: That's a theory, Gretchen says, some of those people who 581 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: voted against Trump and Buck, I think your point on Hey, 582 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: it was COVID right. People were fearful. They thought that 583 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: Biden was going to return normalcy. He hasn't done it. 584 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: My biggest fear about the rerun in twenty twenty four. 585 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: If we get it, it should be a referendum on 586 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: Biden if Trump runs, but it won't be always about 587 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: But it won't be this is the problem. Well, you 588 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: and I both know that Biden is irrelevant. He's a 589 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: stand in for Democrat. He is you know, he is 590 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: the supermarket on the shelf, store brand version of a Democrat. 591 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: It just doesn't matter. No one votes for him, they 592 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: vote against Tron, or they just vote Democrat because that's 593 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: who they are. So this is why we oft understand. 594 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: It's it's a question of machinery. And I want everyone 595 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: to be ready for this too. Let's assume it is 596 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: going to be Trump this time around. If it's Trump 597 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: is the nominee, there needs to be a willingness to say, hey, 598 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: don't hire idiots, don't hire people who are morons. People 599 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: have to be willing to say that to him. I'm 600 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: just you know, this is the part of it, and 601 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: say it like a coach whose heart and soul is 602 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: with the team that he wants to win. Because there 603 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: were a lot I went through this a lot of 604 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: people in twenty twenty. Oh you know, don't he knows 605 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: exactly what he's doing, don't. His campaign one of his 606 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: campaign manager at some point was arrested shirtless on the 607 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: front lawn in Florida or whatever. You remember that. Oh yeah, yeah, Okay, 608 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: he did know exactly what he's doing. We're here to 609 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: help because we want him to be the best version 610 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: of him so that he can save the country and 611 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: he can beat these lunatic communists. So that's one thing 612 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: I want to just throw down with right now. The 613 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: personnel side. The man. You love him, I love him. 614 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: He needs help on personnel full stop. So I just 615 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: want ever to get ready for that if if he is, 616 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: in fact, you know, the nominee. And look, even Andy said, 617 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: can I just put out there? I said, Andy, do 618 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: you think they might actually try to lock him up? 619 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: It wasn't. No, he's you know, it's not likely, but 620 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 1: it's not a zero chance if he takes this thing 621 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: all the way. Yeah, I don't think he's gonna go 622 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: away for a long time. But Clay, if you won't 623 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: take a plea bargain, it's a felony. Yeah, what do 624 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: they do. With a felon who won't take a plea bargain, 625 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 1: they lock them up if they're convicted. That's why I'm saying, 626 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: when you're in law school, Buck, the way you get 627 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: judged is you have final exams and your professors come 628 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: up with all sorts of crazy hypotheticals. That's why I 629 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: was saying, is there a hypothetical universe where Trump could 630 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: be convicted of New York state law, sentenced to prison, 631 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: and simultaneously after that elected as United States President, and 632 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: he is the president from a New York City jail 633 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: or prison. We're getting a little far down the theory theory. 634 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,320 Speaker 1: The question that I've been asking, which no one seems 635 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: to even think about, is how do you put someone 636 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: with Secret Service protection in jail? Congress would have to do 637 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: do it. Congress would have to probably take some action 638 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,359 Speaker 1: to address it. I don't know how you can't take 639 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: away the Secret Service protection of Trump because somebody would 640 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 1: kill him in prison. Do you have any doubt about Like, 641 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 1: the whole thing is crazy, but you're not gonna have 642 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 1: to it. I can't believe we've been talking about this. 643 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 1: They would clearly put him in some sort of administrative 644 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: segregation where he'd be held. But look, he's not going 645 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to prison for any of 646 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 1: This is when we say he may he may be 647 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 1: found guilty. Understand, we know he didn't do anything. We 648 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,879 Speaker 1: know this whole thing is a farce, but they may 649 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: see it through. This is why the New York judges 650 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: need to toss out this indictment because legally it isn't supportable. 651 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 1: And again I think a jury would convict him. Kevin 652 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 1: and Cincinnati has a really good question, and I'm gonna 653 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,320 Speaker 1: be honest with you, Kevin, I don't know the answer, 654 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 1: but float your question. This goes back to what you 655 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: guys were talking about before with the whole breaking of 656 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: the damn analogy. If he does end up getting indicted 657 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: in Georgia, can Brian Kemp pardon him? Yes, fantastic for 658 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,320 Speaker 1: state law violations. Would the governor of Georgia be able 659 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,360 Speaker 1: to pardon Trump? And wouldn't that be interesting? Wouldn't that 660 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: be quite a turn about? Brian Kemp could step in, 661 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,280 Speaker 1: and by the way, I think he I think he should. 662 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: Yeah in Remember some people are like, oh, Trump can 663 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 1: pardon himself, which is a crazy legal theory the president. Well, 664 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 1: also only if it's federal charges, right, You can't pardon 665 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 1: someone for state charges, which is why I'm saying Biden 666 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 1: can throw up his hands and be like, I'm not 667 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,760 Speaker 1: involved in New York City or Georgia, but the governor 668 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,280 Speaker 1: of Georgia is Brian Kemp, who Trump has been tuting 669 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 1: with for years now. Like, there's so again, this is 670 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,799 Speaker 1: such a crazy spot. We'll break it down more for 671 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 1: you when we're returned playing Bucket Play Travis and Buck 672 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 1: Sexton on the front lines of truth.