1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: The volume. Hi, everybody, Congratulations to the Denver Nuggets size coaching, 2 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 1: shot making, though not great on that tonight? Are the 3 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: new champions getting rid of the Miami heat? Pesky, gritty, 4 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: tough and not talented enough? Jason timph podcast Hoops Tonight 5 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: is joining us for a forty five minute breakdown, and 6 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: I think you'll enjoy it. We go round and round. 7 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: At the end of it, we talk about what Miami 8 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: has to do and the Celtics have to do. Is 9 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: this team beatable? Let's head to forty five minutes breaking 10 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: down the Nuggets championship season. 11 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 2: Colin, does that ever get old for you watching a 12 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 2: team hoist the trophy? 13 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: No, you know, tension makes movies and sports better. It 14 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: was sloppy. I mean Denver was really tight. Even Mike 15 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: Malone at one point said it were tight. I mean 16 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 1: they couldn't hit free throws, they couldn't hit threes, but 17 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: you know what, they hit their gimmes. You know they're 18 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: they're good in the paint. I thought Michael Porter redeemed 19 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: himself with a couple of big moments. And I also thought, 20 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: you can say that, you know, Denver's not this defensively. 21 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,199 Speaker 1: I thought they were pretty good in the fourth quarter. 22 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: I thought they were relentless. I thought they were kind 23 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: of dictating, kind of pushing running Miami off the line, 24 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: no cheap baskets, made everybody work for everything. Like you know, 25 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: they always offensive talent and skilled defenses effort. Like Denver 26 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: can be good defensively. They're so good offensively, they don't 27 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: have to be great defensively. But on a night when 28 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: they couldn't hit anything, I thought their defense in the 29 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: fourth quarter was really strong. 30 00:01:58,280 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 3: They wrote to a really high level. 31 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 2: Was funny. I was digging into this coming into tonight, obviously, 32 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: as I kind of expected, as I'm sure you did 33 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 2: as well, for Denver to hoist the trophy. And one 34 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,839 Speaker 2: of the biggest story lines is this is basically the 35 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 2: first non defending champion in decades to win the title 36 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 2: without a top ten defense in the regular season. It's 37 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 2: a significant achievement. It's kind of a break of the mold, 38 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 2: so to speak. But what's interesting is as you dive 39 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 2: into it, their defense has been excellent in this postseason run. 40 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: Coming into tonight, their defensive rating in the postseason was 41 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: only about two points worse than Golden State last year, 42 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 2: who was an outstanding defense during the regular season and 43 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 2: continued to be so during the postseason. Now, some of it, 44 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: I do think it was about matchups, And this is 45 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 2: kind of the beauty of basketball, is like it's not 46 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 2: necessarily how great of a defense you are in a vacuum. 47 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,399 Speaker 2: It's how well can you guard the Lakers, how well 48 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 2: can you guard Miami? How well can you guard Phoenix. 49 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 2: And with those particular teams, you know, Phoenix didn't quite 50 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 2: have the amount of rim pressure they needed. The Lakers 51 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 2: didn't quite have the amount of off ball shooting they needed. 52 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: Miami had all the off ball shooting in the world, 53 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 2: but they didn't have the real high level shot creation 54 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 2: that they needed. And that's the thing is like, again 55 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 2: in the NBA, you don't have to be It's not 56 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 2: about being that great defense in the grand scheme of things. 57 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 2: It's about your specific matchup. And they took it very 58 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 2: seriously in this particular postseason run. Mike Malone harped on 59 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 2: it constantly. They all talked about it constantly after that game, 60 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 2: too ugly loss to Miami. And you know what's interesting 61 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 2: is they were missing threes like crazy. This was a 62 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 2: classic Eric spolsure game. They ran about forty possessions of 63 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 2: zone in the first two games of the series, then 64 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 2: almost completely abandoned it in games three and four, and 65 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 2: then that was almost all they did tonight, and it 66 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: did a great job of disrupting Denver's rhythm, and they 67 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 2: were missing a lot of open shots. And what's interesting 68 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 2: in basketball is you can't control shot result, Like if 69 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 2: you're getting good looks, you fire away and you just 70 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 2: hope they go in right, But you can control the 71 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 2: defensive end of the four. And I thought their second 72 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 2: half was probably their best stretch of defense in this 73 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 2: entire postseason. And hell, they had Jimmy Butler pump baking 74 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 2: at ghosts and not wanting to shoot the basketball, bamina 75 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 2: by missing everything around the paint. It was their defense 76 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: that got it done. And that's what I enjoyed about it, 77 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 2: is like, at the end of the day, it was 78 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 2: some of the traditional things that ended up winning in 79 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 2: the end. 80 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they went from a good team to 81 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: a very good team. And you wonder when you look 82 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: at Jokic and Jamal Murray's playmaking ability on top of 83 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 1: the points, are they potentially a great team? You know, 84 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: Murray is a scorer and Jokich is a score and playmaker. 85 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: That's a very good team. But when Murray adds the element, oh, 86 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: I can make plays for others along with Jokic, Gordon 87 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: an elite defensive team all time, great size, Then you 88 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: start going, wow, they got a lot of things here, 89 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: like Pippen. You know, Michael wasn't a playmaker, he was 90 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 1: a great score. Pippen wasn't a playmaker, he was a 91 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: great defender. You know, like Chicago didn't have a lot 92 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: of that hybrid stuff where you could do both. Right, 93 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: even Shaq and Kobe known as score. So Jokich and 94 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: Murray both become ten plus assist guys. 95 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 2: You know. 96 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: The outther thing is when you're a really great team, 97 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: you not only win championships, but you often change the game. 98 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: The Warriors changed the game Denver. Now with their length, 99 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,239 Speaker 1: are they putting it into small ball? You can't really 100 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: play small ball with them. You have to have an 101 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: enormously successful shooting night. They're just too long, they're just 102 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: too big. And I think to myself, great teams not 103 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: only win. The Kansas City Chiefs not only surpassed New England, 104 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: they've made that sort of defense first game. That kind 105 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: of game doesn't match up with Kansas City. You just 106 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 1: can't stop Kansas City. If you give them twelve possessions, 107 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: you just can't. And so not only is Kansas City 108 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: now better than New England, they've kind of ended the 109 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: idea of ball control because Mahomes needs their teen seconds 110 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: and he can drive down the field. And I think 111 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: what Denver's doing? Are they ending small ball? Do we 112 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: look at now Miami's a pretty small team of bands 113 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: done on the floor. Golden State, they just don't match up. 114 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: They just can't get anything down low. And I also 115 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: think it was a throwback series. Denver's very much points 116 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: in the paint. A lot of guys hitting twos. They 117 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: won a championship on a night they couldn't hit free 118 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: throws or threes. I kind of like the old school stuff. 119 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 1: I got to tell you, people are going to watch them, 120 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: and I think people are going to say, okay, the 121 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 1: small ball. Remember Houston for years chased the Warriors small 122 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,119 Speaker 1: ball and they could never win. They were shooting thirty, 123 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: forty fifty threes. You sort of look at Denver and think, oh, 124 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: there is another way length twos playmakers. I don't know, 125 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: I find Denver captivating to watch. I feel like I'm 126 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: watching a little seventies and eighties and twenty twenty three. 127 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm watching a. 128 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 3: Little of both. 129 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, they represent some proven methods that win in the 130 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 2: NBA and some new methods, you know. And what's interesting 131 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 2: is Golden State last year was kind of a small team. 132 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 2: But if you look back, like size has been winning 133 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 2: in the NBA lately, Like this Denver team, gigantic, that 134 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 2: Milwaukee Bucks team in twenty one, gigantic, that Lakers team 135 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, gigantic, that Toronto Rafters team in twenty nineteen. Massive, 136 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 2: even that Warriors team with Kevin Durant. When you really 137 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 2: put Kevin Durant with Andre Gudala and Raymond Green on 138 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 2: that front line, they were massive. They They're just you 139 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 2: have to win with size in the NBA. And what 140 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 2: was so interesting with this particular Denver team, and this 141 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 2: is what actually your Kansas City Chiefs reference kind of 142 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 2: makes sense to me. Like I can't tell you how 143 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 2: many times over the years as a tourd Cowboys fan, 144 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 2: I'd be watching, like Aaron Rodgers put together these long 145 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 2: drawn out drives and then it just felt like the 146 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 2: cowboy offense could never get in a rhythm, and the 147 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 2: three and out is almost just as much of a 148 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 2: product of the rhythm as it is the defense, just 149 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 2: because there's a flow to football in the same way 150 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 2: there's a flow to basketball, and it's when you see 151 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: a team that's going to get a million offensive rebounds 152 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 2: and they're going to score consistently, get back in transition 153 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 2: and force you to attack their set defense. Sometimes Denver's 154 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 2: best defense is their offense, just by the way they 155 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 2: beat you up on the interior of the other end 156 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 2: of the floor. I do not one of the one 157 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 2: of the weird subplots of this series is Jimmy Butler 158 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 2: and bam Adebayo could not make a shot in the 159 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 2: paint to save their life. 160 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 3: Like they were. 161 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: They were awful, awful shooting inside the paint in this series, 162 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 2: and a big part of that is those dudes are 163 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 2: banging with Aaron Gordon into Kola jokischall series and it 164 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 2: just wears on you. And so that's a big part 165 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 2: of their attack. And then as you go down the roster, 166 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 2: you mentioned Jamal Murray, and that's such an important part. 167 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,719 Speaker 2: His playmaking has been a revelation. In this playoff run. 168 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 2: He's averaging over seven assists a game. That means Jo 169 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 2: Kitchen Murray are giving you almost twenty assists a game. Yeah, 170 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 2: and then you've got the Murray, the KCP, Michael Porter 171 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 2: Junior element, in the Aaron Gordon element. All these guys 172 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 2: are coming back. This to me feels like a team 173 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 2: that could just as easily make four or five consecutive 174 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 2: Western Conference finals and win multiple championships. 175 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's. 176 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: I said this on the air today on Fox. I 177 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: said sixteen teams made the playoffs. Fifteen either lost or 178 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: were taxed, got blown out in a couple of games. 179 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: Except Denver. I mean Denver was kind of like that Laker, 180 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: that Kobe Shack first title. It's like, even when they 181 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: didn't play well, they won. I mean Denver didn't play 182 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: well tonight. And one there's an old saying years ago, 183 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: I remember Pete Carroll saying this is when the Seahawks 184 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: won a championship. 185 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 3: He said, you had. 186 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: To play so well to beat us. He goes, we 187 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: go back and look at our losses on that Russell 188 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 1: Wilson championship team, and he goes, I mean the teams 189 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: would play like flawless football, no pedalies, no turnovers. He said, 190 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: it's a great sign, and I think he said this 191 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: before they won the Super Bowl. It's a great sign 192 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: when teams have to play, you know, nearly flawless to 193 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: beat you. And now tonight neither team was flawless. But 194 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: I mean Denver, if you go back, Jason, they rolled, 195 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: they humiliated Minnesota, they swept the Lakers. In fact, you 196 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: can look at it now, Phoenix beat them twice and 197 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 1: actually a little pushback, not at the end of the series, 198 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: but you look at Phoenix and you think Vogel make 199 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: DeAndre eight and a little better player, better defensively, certainly 200 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,319 Speaker 1: Durant a full season booker, a full season CP three 201 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: probably resigns. They go get somebody on the bench. I'm 202 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: not saying they're going to beat Denver, but you look 203 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: back and it's the one team that made them uncomfortable 204 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: a little bit was Phoenix. Otherwise they hammered people. I 205 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: mean it was it was really you start. I mean, 206 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: the average win in this series after tonight's probably about 207 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 1: six seven points a game. But when you look at 208 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: how Miami sort of discombobulated, like Milwaukee and made teams 209 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: look Celtics look so bad in the final couple of games, 210 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: then Denver pretty much, which Denver played its worst game 211 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: in a month, and one that's a that's not a 212 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: very good team. That's a great team. Do you have 213 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: some projects around the home, the condo, the town home, 214 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: of the apartment you need done. Whether you're an owner 215 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: or a renter, it doesn't matter. Download the free Angie 216 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: mobile app today or go to Angi dot com. Angie 217 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: is your home for everything home. 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You talked about small ball nine hundred percent agree, 243 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 2: Like there's just there's no doubt that if you try 244 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 2: to march into a series against the Denver Nuggets next 245 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 2: year and you want to play four dudes that are 246 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 2: below six eight, then you're going to be up against 247 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: it from the standpoint of competing on the glass and 248 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 2: in the physicality areas of the game. I mean, Miami 249 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 2: did about as good as you possibly can do because 250 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 2: of how well coached they are, but even they looked 251 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 2: physically overwhelmed at times. And look at what ended up 252 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 2: making most of the pivotal plays at the end of 253 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 2: this game were offensive rebound putbacks and Jokics just mauling 254 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 2: dudes around the rim. It was their side that got 255 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 2: them beat at the end. Now as I look around 256 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 2: the league, though, like everyone's got to make significant improvements, 257 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 2: Like I think Phoenix had some real success with pull 258 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 2: up jump shooting against this Denver team. But they need 259 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 2: to confront their size issues. That's gonna be something they 260 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 2: have to confront. Yeah, oh absolutely. And then the Lakers 261 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 2: ironically were the by far the most successful offense against 262 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 2: the Nuggets. That was so weird about that series. You 263 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 2: go in there and you're like, Lakers are the best defense, 264 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 2: They're gonna be great. Denver cooked La more than they 265 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 2: cooked any of the other teams, Like it didn't make 266 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 2: any sense. And then on the offensive end of the 267 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 2: four we all talked about the Laker offense all season, 268 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 2: the Lakers were actually the most successful offense against the Nuggets, 269 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 2: in large part because of Lebron James rim pressure, Ruey 270 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 2: hot Mura rim pressure. They were actually able to attack 271 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 2: the paint in a way the Miami Heat couldn't. But 272 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 2: they have to make so many improvements in terms of 273 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 2: their perimeter athleticism because guys like Bruce Brown and Jamal 274 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 2: Murray just absolutely destroyed them, and so all these teams 275 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 2: have to make significant improvements. You're going to see. I 276 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 2: think you're going to see a lot of teams get 277 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 2: really aggressive this offseason because they know they're not good 278 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 2: to enough yet. And I think you're going to see 279 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 2: a couple centers get some big paydays that don't make 280 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 2: a ton of sense, as guys try to throw money 281 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 2: at an extra body to throw at Jokic. I think 282 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 2: you're going to see a guy like Dwight Howard back 283 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 2: in the league. Like it's gonna be this whole summer 284 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 2: is going to be like how do we deal with 285 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 2: this team who's bringing all their guys back? And it's 286 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 2: going to be an interesting chot. 287 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 3: Well. 288 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: I mean, for years and years the Spurs had Robinson 289 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: and Duncan, and then the Lakers have always had bigs 290 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: and you know, I mean, it's it's why Portland goes 291 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: out and drafts of Greg Odin. Right, you sort of 292 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: you start looking around in the league and you're like, 293 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: you know, you see it all the time in all sports. 294 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: Who's in your in the NFL, and when Peyton Manning's 295 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: in your division, everybody drafts edge rushers. Like that's the 296 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: way the sport works. Jokic is just now moving into 297 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: his prime. He's got six more years of it. He's 298 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: in the best shape by the way he's been in 299 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: in his career. So, I mean, if you really go 300 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: back at the end of the year, Jokic I think 301 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: sat five of their last seven games, so they went 302 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: on kind of a losing streak at the end of 303 00:15:59,080 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: the year. 304 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 3: Year. 305 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: They're not going to stay regular season. They didn't play starters, right, 306 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: if you take that out, I mean this team, I 307 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: mean trade deadline on. We should have seen it coming. 308 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: They just thump people all the time, home road thump people, 309 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: and it's uh. I gotta tell you, I like new stuff. 310 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: I'm not a rearview mirror guy. I love having a 311 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: new potential dynasty. I don't know if they are, but 312 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: it has the makings of one. I mean when Lebron 313 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: went down to Miami, you felt like, oh, this could 314 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: be special. But d Wade was always a guy that 315 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: hit the floor a lot aged very quickly. You know, 316 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: it's like a running back not many years, and so 317 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: you could see by like year two, it was like 318 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: d Wade wasn't as good on back to back. She 319 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: kind of said there's going to be an expiration date 320 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: pretty quickly on this run. But I look at I 321 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: look at Denver, and I'm like, at least for three 322 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: more years, at least three more handful, because I think 323 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: I think, to be honest, Murray, Jokich, Porter and Gordon 324 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: a right smack dab in the middle of their prime, 325 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: like not near the end of it, like three years 326 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:08,959 Speaker 1: from now, let's come back and talk about it. Then 327 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: they're closer to the end of it. But this will 328 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: be fun. By the way, I also love KCP Bubble team. 329 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: This team hit a big three in this game. 330 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 3: I love. 331 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 1: I love guys like that. There's every championship team's got 332 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: a guy. I love the KCP. He's had an interesting career. 333 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: He goes to the free throw line ladies, talking to 334 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: all these guys, settle down, settled down, like kcp's like 335 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: telling everybody, Hey, I've been here, so I just nothing. 336 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: I didn't let and by the way we all love Miami, 337 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: but they need Dame, they need a score, they need 338 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: another player. So the good news for Miami is they lost, 339 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: they were overwhelmed, but you know exactly what they need. 340 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: They need a score. 341 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 2: From the standpoint of Denver in a potential dynasty, the 342 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 2: part that makes it so possible is Jokic's durability and 343 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 2: what he's capable of doing when the other guys are 344 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 2: not available, because both Michael Porter Junior and Jamal Murray 345 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 2: are constantly dealing with nagging injuries in one way, shape 346 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 2: or form, And like even Jamal Murray this year, like 347 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 2: he got back to where he needed to get in 348 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 2: this postseason, which was one of the biggest storylines coming 349 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 2: out of the regular season. It's like, can Jamal Murray 350 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,479 Speaker 2: be what he was in twenty twenty And he ended 351 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 2: up eating way better than that even but he was 352 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 2: dealing with some nagging stuff with his knee. Michael Porter 353 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 2: Junior and his back issues flare up from time to time. 354 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 2: But what's great about the Jokic thing is like you 355 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 2: can just throw four dudes out there with him and 356 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 2: he's winning fifty regular season games, so like you're not 357 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 2: going to suffer in the standings, you're not going to struggle. 358 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 2: You can buy rest for Jamal Murray during the season 359 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 2: and buy rest for Michael Porter Junior, and then when 360 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 2: those guys are available in the postseason, it's the simple 361 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 2: fact of you better find a way to score on 362 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 2: them easily on the other end, because there's just nobody 363 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 2: ever really truly bothered them in this postseason. And that's 364 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 2: just going to be a recurring theme as far as 365 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,479 Speaker 2: Miami goes. And this is what is so interesting from 366 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 2: the same point of continuity. And I actually wanted to 367 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,640 Speaker 2: bring this up because it was something I talked about 368 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 2: a lot after Game four. But I do think it's 369 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 2: really interesting that from like twenty seventeen to twenty twenty one, 370 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 2: it was kind of like the Mercenary era, right, Like 371 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 2: the Warriors signed Kevin Durant outright, and they win a 372 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 2: couple championships. 373 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:19,479 Speaker 3: In a row. 374 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 2: The Raptors trade their continuity for Kawhi Leonard, a Mercenary 375 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 2: comes in, they win a title. Lebron James ships off 376 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 2: a half decade of draft prospects in the Lakers to 377 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 2: bring back Anthony Davis. They immediately win a title. The 378 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 2: Bucks coming off of a really disappointing loss to Jimmy 379 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 2: Butler in the Bubble. They go out and they trade 380 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 2: for Drew Holliday the immediately win a title. That was 381 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 2: kind of like that era, But now we're in this 382 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 2: era where it's like, suddenly, you saw last year a 383 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 2: Celtics group with Marcus mar Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum 384 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 2: and Al Horford that had a ton of reps together 385 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 2: that made. 386 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 3: It to the finals. 387 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you saw a Warriors team with a 388 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 2: bunch of dudes who've been playing together forever make it 389 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 2: to the finals this year, the Heat and the Nuggets 390 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 2: teams that had been together for a while. And my 391 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 2: theory on this is like, there's so much talent in 392 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 2: the league now. Yeah, every team has two stars. It's 393 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 2: like Philly's like the tenth best team in the league. 394 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 2: It's like they got hard and embeed and ty respects. 395 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 2: It's like everyone's got two stars, everyone's got good role players. 396 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 2: So it's the groups that play the best basketball that 397 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 2: end up winning. And so you have to learn how 398 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 2: to play good basketball over years, and so I do 399 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 2: think it's interesting how continuity has taken center stage yeah. 400 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: And it's also the league is cyclical, Like you know, 401 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: you see this all the time. People copied the Warriors 402 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: for years, even when they didn't have great three point shooters. 403 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: It was just like, Okay, we've got to become that. 404 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: And you're like, no, you can get twos. You know, Denver. 405 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: Denver was so confident in its ability to get twos. 406 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: They can shoot threes and they're good at it, but 407 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: they're not beholden to it, and and and so you know, 408 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 1: champions usually have people that copy them, right, like it's 409 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: it's it's cyclical. So Lebron and Durant move and they 410 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: have success. So everybody thinks that's that's but Kevin Durant 411 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 1: and Lebron are two of the twelve best players in 412 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: league history or fifteen best players. You can move around 413 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 1: the league all you want, it's not gonna You're not 414 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,479 Speaker 1: gonna duplicate their championships. So I think Denver. I do 415 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: think people will look at Denver and try to get 416 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 1: bigger to combat them. It was like when the Spurs 417 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: had you know, early in the Spurs, when they have 418 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 1: Robinson and Duncan, it's like, wow, like this is this 419 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: is a lot and I think people will try to 420 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 1: combat that, but I think a lot of what Denver 421 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: does is unique to them. There's just not many guys 422 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: like Aaron Gordon in the league that big. I mean 423 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: just I saw him the other day. It's it's he 424 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: was doing something after a game and he had like 425 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: a sweater on and he was at the microphone and 426 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, that ain't sit ups and deadlifts. That dude 427 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: is just built, not like any human I've ever met, 428 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 1: Like six ' ten broad He's just not on the market, right, Like. 429 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 2: YA game against him, I'm aware he's huge. 430 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: So Jokic is not on the market like some of 431 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: great teams have. Steph Curry's not on the market. You 432 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 1: can try to duplicate it. Lebron wasn't on the market, 433 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 1: so you're gonna see some imitators and people try to 434 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 1: get bigger. But you know, great teams everywhere. Mahomes isn't 435 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: on the market, right, you can try to duplicate so 436 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: much of it. Denver's unique. I think they're going to 437 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 1: alter the game. I think they're going to have copycats, 438 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: and I think they're going to be around for years. 439 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: I was so happy for the city because I've always 440 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: said Detroit and Denver don't get the love. But everything 441 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 1: works in Detroit. They like bowling. I've seen the ratings 442 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 1: college basketball. You know, New York City is a great 443 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: sports city, but they don't love college football, they don't 444 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: love Nascar. Detroit loves everything. Denver's the same way. Denver 445 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: loves everything. Every star was out the night in Denver, 446 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 1: every coach, every player. It was like, it meant so 447 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: much to the city. And it's the fans there are 448 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: you know, I grew up with the Orange Crush, and 449 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: you know that was the loudest place in the league. 450 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 1: And I don't know, I just I felt, I really felt. 451 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 1: I was so happy for Denver. It meant so much 452 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: to the city. I mean, you see Peyton Manning moved there. 453 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: Right after he played, he said this story, I want 454 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: to I want to be the rest of my life, 455 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 1: and he's biting his lip and he's sweating, and I'm like, God, 456 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: it meant so much. 457 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 3: It was such a joy to watch. 458 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: I mean, it was. 459 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 2: It was. 460 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: It was one of the great quarters of intense, sluggish 461 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: open jumper missing basketball in a long time. Like it 462 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: was you kept saying to yourself Okay, Denver doesn't deserve 463 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: to win. You can't miss free When when Brown missed 464 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 1: two free throws, Christian Brown missed two free throws, I'm like. 465 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 3: Bro, come on, you can't do that. You get win 466 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 3: a title like that. 467 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 1: But I just have a feeling like of elevation tonight, 468 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: Like I'm really happy for Denver. 469 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 3: I love competitive basketball like that. It's funny. 470 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 2: There was a quote from Jeff and Gundhi during the 471 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 2: game when he was talking about Max Stru's playing through 472 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 2: his struggles. He's like, he's like every coach loves a 473 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 2: player that is competitive when he's struggling, because a guy 474 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 2: who's struggling but his competitive will attempt to find ways 475 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 2: to affect the game even when he's not making shots. 476 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 2: Like do you remember that ridiculous chase down block that 477 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 2: Max Strew's had in the fourth quarter with like four 478 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 2: minutes left. Where I think it was I think it 479 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 2: might have been Jamal Murray. Somebody had a breakaway layup 480 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 2: and he just qustioned Bryan and yeah, yeah, and he 481 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 2: came flying in and blocked it. And I was like, 482 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,479 Speaker 2: that is just sheer force of competitive will. When he 483 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 2: can't buy a bucket and there was literally like ten 484 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 2: of those dudes out on the court tonight because nobody 485 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 2: could really make anything, you know, even Jokic missed one 486 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 2: of his late little push shots that he always makes. 487 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 2: So I wanted to talk about a little bit about 488 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 2: Jokic in his place atop the league because I think 489 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 2: even as we talk about the tier that you had mentioned, 490 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 2: which is Luka, Janis, Jokic, and Steph, I think that 491 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 2: Jokic has demonstrated a level of offensive I don't know 492 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 2: what it's called, like inevitability, like insistent shot creation that's 493 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 2: even a level above some of those guys. This kind 494 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 2: of reminds me a little bit of Lebron in the 495 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 2: early twenty tens, where there's kind of like the changing 496 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 2: of the guard, where it's like Kobe's tailing off right 497 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 2: and Duncan's tailing off, and so Lebron's kind of filling 498 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 2: that void, and then some of the younger guys like 499 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 2: kd just wasn't quite there yet. Steph Curry's not quite 500 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 2: there yet. That's kind of the way I'm looking at 501 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 2: this right now, Like Jokic feels like he's at the 502 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 2: absolute peak of his powers here in his late twenties, 503 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,959 Speaker 2: and Giannis is like dealing with some flaws in his 504 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 2: game in the half court, and Steph just didn't quite 505 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 2: shine through against that dominant Laker defense the way that 506 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 2: Jokic did. And Luca's struggling in the margins of basketball, 507 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,479 Speaker 2: like he's unbelievably great, but he's struggling defensively, and he's 508 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 2: struggling with his attitude, and he's struggling with kind of 509 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 2: maintaining the flow of a team with how kind of 510 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 2: ball hockey he can be sometimes, And so like, do 511 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 2: you do you potentially see Yokic starting a run here 512 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 2: where he's the best player in the world for a while. 513 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the best player today is Jokic, Jana's second, 514 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: Luca third. Yanni struggles with free throws, confidence late, and 515 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: Lucas struggles with playing with somebody ball dominant. Those are 516 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 1: real factors. Jokic doesn't really have that, and so I 517 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:19,479 Speaker 1: do think I do think he feels different. He also 518 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,719 Speaker 1: and this is really a thing, and there's more than 519 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: one way to do it, but there's an ego lesseness 520 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 1: to him, meaning he'll be easy to play with. Kobe, 521 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: wasn't I mean Kobe won force of just a wilfulness, 522 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: and then with Shaq and then with Gasol, like Kobe 523 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:39,959 Speaker 1: willed his way to a championship, a lot of that 524 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: was Jordan. Jordan wasn't as easy to play with. There's 525 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:43,919 Speaker 1: a lot of different ways to do it. Then you 526 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: get Magic and Lebron where they make everybody better. I 527 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: feel like Bill, Russell, Magic, Johnson, Lebron, and Jokic feels 528 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 1: similar to me that stylistically they're all different, but their 529 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: ability to make my players plus players B minus player 530 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: A B plus C minus player a C plus, Like 531 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: I mean, Murray was an A player in this I 532 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: always thought of him kind of as an A minus 533 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: a B plus and I'm like, no, he was an 534 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: A player with some A plus knights and he's not 535 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: doing that without the screens. Inevitability is a good word. 536 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: Like Russell, Magic, Lebron, it wasn't just them. I've said 537 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: this before to you. Is the greatest stat in Lebron's 538 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: basketball careers in high school, where he averaged like twenty 539 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: six a game. As a junior, he scored he could 540 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: have scored fifty a game. As a senior, he scored 541 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 1: twenty seven. That told me all I think all I 542 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 1: needed to know about Lebron is junior and senior year. 543 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: He averaged like a point and a half more. That's 544 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 1: never been Lebron games to outscore people. It's always been 545 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,719 Speaker 1: about elevating others because he knows he can get his points. 546 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,959 Speaker 1: And it's like that told you what Lebron was he? 547 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: I mean, Lebron James best basketball player ever. If I said, 548 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: what do you think he averaged his last year of 549 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 1: high school, you'd be like forty eight, Like no one 550 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: more point than his junior year. And I think that's 551 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: the key. I think free agents and people are gonna 552 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: look Jason at Jokic and be like, Denver's not a 553 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: bad place to live, right Harden Luca, It's like, man, 554 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 1: am I gonna get the shot? Am I gonna get looks? 555 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: You watch Jalen Brown explode in New York, Jalen Brunson 556 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 1: explode in New York, You're like, Holy God, Luca got. 557 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 3: In his way. 558 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 1: Man. There's a lot of guys, a lot of a 559 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: lot of Kevin Loves, a lot of Chris Boshes, had 560 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,479 Speaker 1: really big careers, gave up a lot of numbers and 561 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 1: said I want to play with that dude, A lot 562 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: of people gonna want to play with Jokic. That's an 563 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: egoless guy. I mean, if you were a shooter, it's like, 564 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: who would you want to play with? Like, I mean 565 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: that guy is I mean he literally is does not 566 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: like he'll win the MVP Award and he'll turn around 567 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: and celebrate with his family. You know. It's like Tim Duncan, 568 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: it's really easy. You become your star. Somebody once told 569 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: me this. It's the smallest locker, the fewest players, so 570 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: your star has more of an impact on the culture 571 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: and the attitude of the team. Like in the NFL, 572 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: you split at halftime, offense here, defense there, baseball bullpen 573 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: A third of the teams down there. Basketball stars. It's 574 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: not about getting a star, it's about getting the right star. 575 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: Like Jokic, Lebron, Magic, Russell, they were the right star 576 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: and that's why you have all these potential championships to 577 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: meet Jokic. 578 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 2: I think they're going to get a couple of really 579 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 2: good players at discount this summer. One of the biggest 580 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 2: things that I've noticed in the buy out market over 581 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 2: the course the last few years, but also in that 582 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 2: veteran minimum mid level exception market is guys typically target 583 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 2: playing time. You'd think it'd be money, you think it'd 584 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 2: be a market, you think it'd be a championship. It's like, No, 585 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 2: it's usually playing time and big shock basketball players like 586 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 2: to play basketball, and especially when they're at that phase 587 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 2: in their career when internally they have that combination of 588 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 2: confidence and experience where they feel like they can really help. 589 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 2: The thing with Denver is they're gonna lose Bruce Bruce 590 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 2: Brown in all likelihood because he's got like something like 591 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 2: a seven million dollar player option. He's gonna off out 592 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 2: of that and he's gonna go somewhere and get one 593 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 2: of those like fifteen million. 594 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 3: Dollars a year type of type of con question. 595 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 2: And the other thing too, is like this is a 596 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 2: team that had no backup center, So hey want to 597 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 2: be a backup center. There's there's two ships to night 598 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 2: they're waiting for you. You get to play whenever Yokich 599 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 2: is off the floor, Like that's your job if you 600 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 2: want to know, and you get to compete for a championship. 601 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 2: You know, like last year it was DeAndre Jordan. What 602 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 2: if this year it's a like a better version of 603 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 2: that type of player, you know, and then same thing 604 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 2: goes for that bench wing bench guard type of stuff. 605 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 2: Like they never really could figure out that backup point 606 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 2: guard position. It was Bones Highland for a while. I 607 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 2: was like, Okay, let's get Reggie Jackson in here. Okay, 608 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 2: Reggie Jackson's not working well. We ended up just using 609 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 2: Bruce Brown and he's gonna be gone. So who's the 610 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 2: backup point guard that they're gonna be able to sign? 611 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 2: Because it's like, hey, guess what you're gonna get twenty 612 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 2: seven minutes a night, and especially during the regular season 613 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 2: when we're trying to eat innings and you're gonna get 614 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 2: to get to start when Jamal mur he's taking his 615 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 2: rest days, Like, there's gonna be people that slot into 616 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 2: that spot. And you know, it's funny because we talk 617 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 2: a lot about what kind of dynasty is Denver capable of. 618 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 2: I tend to think that next year could be the 619 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 2: most dominant year of this entire kind of Denver Nuggets experience. 620 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 2: It's that confidence of champions that always comes back. Underrated 621 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 2: thing Jamal Murray's first full season coming back from the knee, 622 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 2: where like he's got the confidence of that great playoff run. 623 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 2: Jamal Murray has never had like that. I made the 624 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 2: All Star team and I made second team All NBA season. 625 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 2: That's probably going to be next season for Jamal Murray. 626 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 2: A guy like Michael Porter junior. He had some struggles 627 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 2: in the finals that will get him in the gym 628 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 2: all summer, working on specific things, particularly putting the ball 629 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 2: on the floor. I think Denver could win sixty games 630 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 2: next year and repeat, like next year is the year 631 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 2: and then the other thing too. Phoenix is just still 632 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 2: a ways away, like they might take them two off 633 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 2: seasons to get the requisite pieces. 634 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 3: The Lakers obviously are. 635 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 2: In a similar predicament, like there are a lot of 636 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 2: teams out west that like this Golden State thing, Like 637 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 2: what if they have a significant turn over this summer, 638 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 2: I don't think them running it back is enough to 639 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 2: beat Denver, and so I do think there's a chance 640 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 2: that next year ends up being one of the more 641 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 2: dominant years for them. 642 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 643 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: I mean when Kevin Durant went to Golden State, like 644 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: the first year was the most dominant and then you 645 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: know apathy, you know that overconfidence sets in Denver's you know, 646 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: even though Denver's a really good offensive team. You know 647 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: there are you know, Gordon's not a naturally gifted offensive player. 648 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:33,239 Speaker 1: Jokish is a very unique point center. Jamal Murray is 649 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: not what I would call twitchy. He's an ok ball handler, 650 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: gets very sloppy at times with one hand passing, and 651 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: sometimes he can always get a shot, a lot of 652 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: fallaway stuff. But I don't consider him a dynamic athlete. 653 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: I think I think Devin Booker, I think he's a 654 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: more dynamic athlete. I think Jamal Murray became a little 655 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: bit better playmaker the night suspected. I thought they were 656 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: kind of even players. So there's still a team. Sometimes 657 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: get into the offense, they hover around the outside. You know, 658 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, guys, okay, guys. It's a beatable team. 659 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: But I think what they'll have to replace some of 660 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 1: their gifts are just unique body types. I mean, Michael 661 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: Porter's that move tonight down the floor behind the back, 662 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: that's a very unique h Gordon's unique, Yokic, A lot 663 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: of what they present, they're just unique body types that 664 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: aren't on the market. And so if they lose a Brown, 665 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: you can go find a shooter. You'll you'll find a shooter. 666 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: So but they're It's interesting. It's not that they're not beatable. 667 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: It's just that, like I think if Phoenix found a 668 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: couple of bench pieces and Chris Paul came back, I 669 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: think they'd be a handful. I think they really would 670 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: be a handful. I think DeAndre Ayton is going to 671 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: be fifteen to twenty percent better just because of Ocal 672 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: if they could get a bench piece, a really nice 673 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: you know, almost a Malcolm Brogden, like, oh okay, just 674 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: sixteen points, somebody a white or a brogged in from 675 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: Mike Boston, that kind of player. But what they have, 676 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: and I think the organization has been good at drafting 677 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: and developing what they have is unique bodies. It's just 678 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 1: not those kind of bodies are you know, you see 679 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: certain NFL teams that have defensive linemen. Philadelphia has three 680 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: or four body types, and you're like, you know, they're 681 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: not available on the market. Nobody lets Aaron Donald go 682 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: or Fletcher Cox go or Chris Jones and the Chiefs go. 683 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 1: And so it's not like you're just replacing shooters. You 684 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 1: can find guys that can shoot. Jokic, Gordon Porter Big 685 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: that is I don't know, I watch them and I 686 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: don't want to be hyperbolic, but I watched them and 687 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is you can beat them, but you'd 688 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 1: have to shoot really, really well to beat this team 689 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 1: in a seven game series. 690 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 2: Weird Bodies is such a perfect way to put it, 691 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 2: because it's Jokic is like somehow bigger than all the centers, 692 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 2: Like it's just bigger than all of them, and he's 693 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 2: just going to manhandle him on his way to the basket. 694 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 2: Aaron Gordon is built like bam ade Bio, but like 695 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 2: can play on that small forward position out on the wings. 696 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,360 Speaker 2: Super twitch, Michael oh yeah, and Michael Porter Junior is 697 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 2: just way taller than every movement shooter in the league. 698 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 3: And then Jamal Murray. 699 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,319 Speaker 2: I think one of the big advantages he has over 700 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 2: a guy like Devin Booker is he's a little bit trunkier, 701 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 2: a little bit lower center of the yes, super strong legs, 702 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 2: so he can bump guys off. 703 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 3: And that's what he does. 704 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,359 Speaker 1: It's he is, that's perfect. He is try That's why 705 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 1: he's not as twitchy, he's not dynamic. He's just remember 706 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:40,720 Speaker 1: Andre Miller the guard. 707 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:42,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good example. 708 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, just like you wake up and he's got 709 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: twenty three and you're like, none of them were pretty. 710 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,839 Speaker 1: They're all kind of fallaways from the angle. It's those 711 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: guys are hard to defend. 712 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and and that I agree with you. I don't 713 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 2: think they're unbeatable. I don't think this is the twenty 714 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 2: seventeen Warriors. And I'm excited I did for that just 715 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 2: as a basketball fan, because there's a version of this 716 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 2: where they are going to be in some wars. They're 717 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 2: going to be in some six to seven game series 718 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 2: in the future, especially with the CBA, when things get crunched, 719 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,879 Speaker 2: like sometime three four years from now, one of those 720 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 2: dudes on the wing is gonna get you know, is 721 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 2: going to have to be moved on from just simply 722 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 2: from the standpoint of the financial elements of it. So yeah, 723 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 2: like they're gonna be in some wars and we'll get 724 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 2: to see. Like you and I have been around covering 725 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 2: the league long enough to know that not every playoff 726 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 2: run looks like this. You don't always just dominate like 727 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,399 Speaker 2: they are gonna be tougher ones, but it is nice 728 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 2: when you get one like this. So congratulations to Denver 729 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,839 Speaker 2: Nuggets fans. You guys have a really really fun team 730 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 2: to watch, one that I'm excited to cover. And shout 731 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 2: out to the Miami Heat for making that NBA Finals 732 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 2: as entertaining as it could have been under the circumstances. 733 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:49,319 Speaker 1: Eight eight seed. It's like hockey. You get that in hock, 734 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 1: get them some players. Yeah, I mean, you know it's yeah. 735 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,880 Speaker 1: But here's the good thing for Miami. We know what 736 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 1: they need, right Like they've got a rim protector, they 737 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: got any dam Yeah, they need they need to really 738 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 1: you know, even he's probably not the guy because they've 739 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,880 Speaker 1: gone through Tyler Hero's immaturity issues, so they wouldn't be 740 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: attracted to Jordan Poole, who's similarly got some of those 741 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 1: they've had. They've gone through that with Tyler Hero. But 742 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: they need they need a star shooter because I mean, 743 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,839 Speaker 1: I thought what you said earlier, Jimmy Butler was I mean, 744 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,240 Speaker 1: he was running from the ball for about a quarter 745 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: and a half, like he didn't want to shoot, he 746 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,840 Speaker 1: had no interest in it, Like Lebron got crushed for 747 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 1: that in that series against Dallas. Like Lebron's running from 748 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: the ball, Jimmy did a little bit of that tonight 749 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,319 Speaker 1: for about a quarter and a half like he was. 750 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 1: He had eight points entering the fourth and like stop 751 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 1: shooting for a while. So yeah, I mean, it's it's 752 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,760 Speaker 1: sometimes when you lose how you lose and you get thumped, 753 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,320 Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, there's clarity, here's what we need. 754 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 3: And they have some pieces they do. 755 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: They've got some guys that don't want to pay, you know, 756 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,760 Speaker 1: your Martin. They got some guys like that are probably 757 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 1: going to lead ven. You can work a deal. Pat 758 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,239 Speaker 1: Riley's a maestro at that. You can work a deal 759 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 1: with Portland. So I think we know what they need. 760 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 1: What's interesting is if they go out and pursue Dame, 761 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,839 Speaker 1: does Boston just bring the guys back because you can. 762 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 1: And Brad Stevens is a little bit reticent on making 763 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,760 Speaker 1: big moves. It's got that sort of Midwestern, you know, predictability, 764 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 1: like let's go back on it, let's work harder. And 765 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 1: that's a very admirable, redeemable quality. But I don't think 766 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,960 Speaker 1: Brad Stevens is going to take a big swing. But 767 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 1: Milwaukee's rebuilding, Darryl moriole be aggressive. Miami's going after Dame. 768 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,840 Speaker 1: If they land Dame, Miami feels better than Boston to 769 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,240 Speaker 1: me more explosive they've got, Like whereas I get Jalen 770 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 1: Brown and Tatum on the wing, Robert Williams, you bubble 771 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,719 Speaker 1: wrap him. Marcus Smart's a defensive guy. I still don't 772 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 1: think they have a facilitator Dame Butler, Bam Spoe. It's like, 773 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,919 Speaker 1: oh yeah, that's a that feels like a potential championship team. 774 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 2: Well, and what's bullshra Pat Riley of demonstrated is that 775 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 2: they're going to find three or four useful players that 776 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 2: no one else in the league wants, and so you 777 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 2: can afford to give away big salary filler for a 778 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 2: guy like Damian Lillard or for like I've seen Dejontay 779 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 2: Murray being thrown around in some trade roomors. He's another 780 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 2: guy take a look at if he was available, But like, 781 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 2: if they could get another legitimate shot creator that takes 782 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,239 Speaker 2: some of that off of Jimmy Butler again, Jimmy and 783 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 2: Pat or excuse me, Spoe and Pat. They're gonna find 784 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 2: three or four dudes that have a chip on their 785 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,840 Speaker 2: shoulder that were undrafted, that didn't get all the attention 786 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,360 Speaker 2: that they wanted. So they play hard every damn possession 787 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 2: of their lives and they're going to find a way 788 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:37,839 Speaker 2: to round that out. I agree with you. I think 789 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,480 Speaker 2: Boston is going to be the one team that kind 790 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,239 Speaker 2: of runs it back, just because I don't think they 791 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,719 Speaker 2: stand as much to gain from an aggressive trade as 792 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 2: some of these other teams do. And you're right talk 793 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 2: about like knowing what you need, Like Milwaukee knows we 794 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,440 Speaker 2: need a significant turnover in our half court offense. 795 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:53,799 Speaker 3: You know. 796 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,840 Speaker 2: Philly knows that as well. But I do think, I 797 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,120 Speaker 2: do think that we're going to see a lot of 798 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:01,800 Speaker 2: teams get really aggressive this offseason. 799 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 1: So Jason has always great stuff. Great season. Now we've 800 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 1: got a Dragons coming up, we got some free agency, 801 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 1: got another three weeks to bat this stuff around the volume.