WEBVTT - Ep. 723: Dangerous Game 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:13.280 This is the Meat Eater Podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:18.319 bug bitten, and in my case, underware listening podcast. You 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:21.919 can't predict anything. The Meat Eater Podcast is brought to 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:24.800 you by First Light. Whether you're checking trail cams, hanging 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:28.240 deer stands, or scouting for ELK. First Light has performance 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:31.440 apparel to support every hunter in every environment. Check it 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:34.320 out at first light dot com. F I R S 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:45.159 T L I T E dot com. Accusing me of you, 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:48.960 He's confusing, he's getting like, he's confusing. Who got sick? 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:53.280 I'm sick like once every two years now is always sick. 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:57.800 I'm not I know, not be ill. 0:00:58.320 --> 0:00:59.240 I'm not a no person. 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:01.240 I have allergies. 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:02.040 It's a bad year. 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:05.360 In the show already started, it's I've been rolling for 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:08.120 two minutes. Can you make sure it starts with with 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:15.800 clarifying that sickly sad note that sickly sad is always sick. 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:18.720 I'm not always sick. I feel like you're gonna get 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:19.399 sick and laughter. 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:22.119 I was just. 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:24.039 Because he's over here sniffling right now. I know what 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:24.920 are you sniffing about? 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:26.800 It probably got allergies because allergies. 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:28.800 No, it is the pullens bad this year. 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:31.440 I think that would be rolled under sickly. Yeah, no 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:41.520 infirm this is general infirmity. Our friend Morgan Potter's here. 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:42.880 Thanks for having me on. 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:45.400 Yeah, it's good to be back. But by the time 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:48.160 you're listening to this, so because of because of things 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:52.760 in this world that I hate, like what. 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:57.840 You really want to know? 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:00.520 I'm really going to focus on one thing I hate. Okay, 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:05.440 in my opinion, it should just be that, Like, in 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:08.720 my opinion, it should just be that this is effectively live. 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:11.040 The podcast. 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:16.359 Yeah, like like as soon as it's done, it's just wah. 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:18.959 And sometimes there'd be three shows in a week. Sometimes 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:20.119 there'd be no shows in a week. 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:22.640 It just be like, what do we think, Phil Well, 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:26.080 I've talked with Karin about this, and I actually agree 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:27.400 with Steve. I would love it if we could do 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:30.120 something like that. We're just beholding to many agreements and 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:33.359 deals with with people and companies, and there's there's a 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:37.480 lot of moving parts. Great listeners of course, incredible company companies. 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:43.480 I would change the show's name because that's what it 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:44.000 would be like. 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:47.600 That sounds like something else. We won't go there. 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:54.239 Like stupid like stupid reasons that I can't even begin 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:58.840 to like understand, let alone explain. I've had it explained 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:04.520 to me twenty times. I still don't understand it. You 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:09.480 know what, do we talk about this recently in Life Aquatic. 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:10.919 With Steve? 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:15.200 Yeah? Perhaps, Yeah, one of the top movies ever made. Fantastic, 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:22.800 It's like up there with Big Lebowski. Oh, definitely. Someone's 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:27.320 explaining something to his character, Bill Murray's character, and he says, 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:30.359 I don't understand that, but it sounds like bullshit. 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:38.160 I ran into Mury in an elevator once I was 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:40.520 working at a post production or office, was in a 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:41.640 post production studio. 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:51.960 Steve your phone, it's not how can you guys hear that? 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:56.400 Ran into Bill Murray in an elevator in the same day. 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:58.680 I forget how many years ago this was. That he 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:04.560 was on the cover was it Vogue or another publication. 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:06.440 He was on the cover of it, and I was 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:12.600 holding that magazine while I stepped into an elevator together 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:15.160 with him. We were both there, and I just kind of. 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:16.320 Was he cool? 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:17.640 He was cool? 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:20.599 No, I just looked at him and I like slowly 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:25.040 raised the magazine cover in front of my face so 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:28.120 that he was staring at himself and then we had 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:30.400 a little chuckle and then went our separate ways. 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:33.400 That was was my Bill Murray. 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:34.839 And he's one of the ones that I like, you 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:37.680 want to hope he's cool in like in the wild. 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:39.560 You know, he probably. 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:44.880 Morgan Potter. He's an Australian, as you can tell. Hey, 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:46.839 do do for us your American accent. 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:50.719 No, I can't do it. Oh it's bad. No, I 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:51.960 can't do it. 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:55.320 What part of the country is your We could all 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:56.360 do Australian. 0:04:56.800 --> 0:05:00.240 So I've heard a couple of the Australians early before 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:02.119 you walked in this door. Well was key. We actually 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:04.880 not not so great you guys from that. 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:09.120 Do him goof goofund him. 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:09.920 That's not a knot. 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:13.359 You've got a lot of material. 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:17.120 I mean. I have a deal with my children that 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:19.720 when they can do, because you know they've grown up here, 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:24.039 when they can do a passable Australian accent, I'll like 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:25.960 give him a day off school, get him ice cream, 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:28.960 whatever they want. They've failed to Uh. 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:30.800 They can't do. I could I can, maybe Randall can 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:33.240 give him some pointers. Yeah, goofund him a minute, Randall. 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:35.920 Oh, now you're putting me on the spot. 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:38.800 We'll just do that. 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:42.360 This used to be a penal colony. 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:45.080 That's no good. 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:52.520 Shah. Yeah, nor we did. We did this with Southerners 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:55.800 one time, and the Southerners would do their Northern accent 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:59.560 for us and and then but we were to we 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:01.279 wouldn't do our Southern accent for them. 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:03.839 Okay, yeah, I'm like I'm. 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:06.640 Not doing that. No, I'm when they do their northern accent, 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:13.839 they do everybody as Wisconsin okay, oh yeah, Sam, And 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:18.240 that's how they do like a yang. You're like, well, 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:20.400 do your Southern for me, And I'm like, I'm not 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:21.719 doing my Southern for you. 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:24.599 Yeah yeah, yeah. I wouldn't know where to begin. I do. 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:27.200 I love a good regional accent, though you know, Australia 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:29.479 doesn't really have that. So I like that America has 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:32.560 like regional variation. I appreciate that a lot. But we'll 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:32.800 do what. 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:35.440 Just do a quick one. When you're telling your stories, 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:37.800 when you're telling stories to friends back home and you 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:39.719 have an American talking, you do it. 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:43.160 Sometimes. If I've been drinking, it's a little for that. 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:46.560 If I've been drinking some American I just can't. I 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:48.360 just know I flat refuse. 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:53.760 Fair enough, it's not. 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:52.279 It's not. 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:54.880 Good on mite. 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:06.400 I get my hair cut at vip here and right 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:10.840 here close, and I'm in there getting my haircut, and 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:14.480 a kind of like if he's listening, with all due respect, 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:17.239 kind of the crazy looking guy walks in. Just looks 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:21.480 like he's been camping a long time, yeah, and not crazy. 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:23.160 It just looks like he's been a long camp hot, 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:26.720 a long hot camping trip. And he comes in and 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:30.480 he asks if he can get a quick trim yeah, 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:36.000 and he's clearly Australian. So he sits down and there's 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:38.440 you guys, Kevin and Jake, and Kevin's cutting my hair 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:41.280 and Jake is waiting for his next guy, and he's like, well, 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:43.680 if it's quick, I'll do it. So he ask some 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:46.440 where's the accent from? And he says Australia, and Jake 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:49.440 asks some like the same thing I would have done. 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:55.840 Is any crocodile's nearby? To which to what? He points 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:57.200 out that those are well north. 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:02.120 Of him, And then he. 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:05.520 Asked him what he does for fun, and the guy says, well, 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:07.320 we hunt a lot of pigs and and I kind 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:10.280 of perk up this and all sudden he goes, are 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:19.600 you the guy from meat Eater one? He was in 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:23.520 town for work? Oh? Really in town for work? He said, 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:26.320 he's here. I didn't catch what he was working on, 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:28.920 but he's sent here and he's got he's got two 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:30.320 three months of stuff he's got to do. 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:31.800 I'll bet it's mining or something. 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:34.080 I'm sure, yeah, I should say I'm sure. 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:36.000 But whatever it was, it looks hot. Yeah, I'll bet 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:38.920 he came in looking hot mining out. 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:42.800 By the time you're listening to this, for reasons I 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:48.800 cannot explain, I will be with Morgan Potter, who's sitting 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:51.240 here right now. We will be like a like an 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:56.160 alternate universe. We will be in Tanzania hunting for Kate Buffalo. 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:58.120 If you want to hear how if you want to 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:00.040 reflect back on how all this came to be, go 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:04.120 back to episode four four six, which is called when 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:07.760 an African Kate Buffalo Beats Your butt? Did we call that, Yeah, 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:11.160 we didn't call it beats your ass? Beat your butt? 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:12.760 Yeah, because censorship. 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:17.680 You know, m hmm, what an African Kate Buffalo beats 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:18.080 your butt? 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:20.959 So it was just for alliteration purposes. 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:25.079 Nothing to do back and forth between ass and but nothing. 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:27.160 To do with cleaning her up. So we're gonna come 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:30.760 around and and talk about that in a little bit. Dude, 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:31.640 I'm getting excited. 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:32.640 Oh me too. 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:34.640 I just read a whole book about Kate Buffalo that 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:37.120 wound up oddly about Kate. 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:38.920 Buffalo, which what's happening right now? 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:42.680 I am, no, it's true. Yeah, what. 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:47.120 If by the time this comes out, I'm not excited? Yeah, 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:49.760 you like, this sucks. And then I listened to this 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:52.880 and I'm like, but that's not true. There's a low chance, 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:55.120 low risk of that, I would say, very low risk. 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:59.040 What's the book that is not about Kate Buffalo that 0:09:59.120 --> 0:09:59.800 supports to. 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:02.079 Be Now, that's by the late writer. So we a 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:04.200 long time ago had on writer Thomas. 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:07.000 Mack and I know him. Yeah, he passed away. I 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:07.520 did know that. 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:09.520 I didn't know that. I was talking about get I 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:11.080 was telling Crid to get him back on the show, 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:13.520 and then it turns out he had passed away. 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:17.480 Oh yeah, not terribly old. Yeah, no, not terribly old. Yeah, 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:21.760 pol guy, it's thunder without rain. Ah, I have I've 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:22.880 read it a long time. 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:25.800 Ago, but you know how well, no, no, no, because it 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:26.800 only came out a year ago. 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:27.560 Oh really. 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:30.200 It came out posthumously. 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:34.319 Okay, okay, is it like an anthology like a collection 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:36.480 of stories, original material. 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:40.400 But it's just like how broad Agan's trout Fishing in America? 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:43.800 Uh huh, isn't about trout fishing in America? 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:44.320 Gotcha? 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:45.600 Just really disappointing. 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:50.199 There's a great line about trout fishing a Roman. No no, no, no, no, 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:53.880 it's a nonfiction book. He just now and then And 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:57.080 I can say this because he's, you know, no longer 0:10:57.160 --> 0:11:01.199 with this for for for sometimes, for like seventy five pages, 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:03.080 he'll forget that it's about Kate Buffalo. 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:05.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah, and he'll be just talking about whatever. 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:06.960 Or is it more. 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:09.480 Like like he does a big so he at one 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:14.079 point feels the need to sort of talk about movies 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:19.920 that might tangentially involve Kate Buffalo. So he spends a 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:23.080 lot of time on like like a lot of of 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:26.360 his generation that were interested in Africa, they're very interested 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:27.000 in Hemingway. 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:28.360 Oh yeah, no doubt. 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:34.560 So, rather than talk about Hemingway's run ins with Kate Buffalo, right, 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:37.520 he decides just to do a megabio. 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:40.520 On Hemingway, gotcha. 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:46.160 Or out of Africa? He has to talk about that. 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:49.680 So then he does a mega bio on like everyone 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:51.720 down to the financiers. 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:56.480 Oh as opposed to the charts of it that it 0:11:56.559 --> 0:12:00.240 was based on. He is like talking, he alludes. 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:04.040 Of them, but he forgets that he's he forgets the hook. 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:07.040 Right, and so then he's talking about the cinematographers and 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:09.079 whatnot and kind of just doesn't and just. 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:12.520 For long stretches of time forgets about the subject at hand. 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:14.199 But then now and then it comes back to it 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:15.480 in remarkable fashion. 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:20.240 Yeah, yeah, it sounds familiar. I think I flicked through. 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:26.440 This book, but I don't write that way. I don't. 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:29.880 His writing style is kind of unique. I think I 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:31.959 flicked through this book, and as I recall, there was 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:36.440 a good chunk of it dedicated to like the like 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:41.320 the evolutionary history of Cape Buffalo and their relationship with 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:44.320 other like ovids. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:47.280 That's the part I liked. And here's the deal. If 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:49.200 I was just sitting down looking to read a book, 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:51.079 yeah I would like it. But I was just sitting 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:55.200 down looking to like get a gig Buffalo info rather 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:57.079 than reading the Wikipedia page, which. 0:12:56.880 --> 0:13:00.160 I've read twice for the cinematographers of h Yeah, so. 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:07.200 Like my needs as a reader are not being adequately met. 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:11.440 By the book, my needs as a centophile totally checking 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:12.440 that book has been said. 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:17.079 I was reading it to cram for our trip. 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:21.240 Yeah, yeah, no, I think I can recommend some other reading. 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:24.400 But yeah, you know, the thing about Cape Buffalo is 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:27.559 I was kind of you know, I read Hemmingway and 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:29.840 all that stuff. I mean, I've read, you know, a 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:34.880 huge amount of literature and nonfiction related to African hunting, 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:38.800 but I think nothing can kind of adequately prepare you 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:42.559 for like seeing your first one. Oh it's so cool. 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:44.840 I still remember the first one I ever saw, and 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:45.760 I just be like. 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:51.040 I want to get charged, bad man? You say that now, 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:53.720 I've been looking at a lot of videos my body. 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:55.440 Just send me a video some guys getting beat up 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:57.000 by one the other day. I'll tell you the crew 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:58.920 that's gonna be worth he does not want to get. 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:03.240 That's what I wanted to actually get hit though, So 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:07.240 what is your if you had to, like, if you 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:10.440 had to, I mean, other than just the ferocity of 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:13.240 the animal from those charge videos, what would be your 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:16.520 kind of like main takeaway as fire as just like 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:17.520 how it all goes down. 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:20.520 Just that this again, because picture that is here. I 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:22.760 don't necessarily want to get charged. Blake. Yeah, I was 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:24.800 talking to my buddy yesterday the cent in my office, 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:28.640 and my buddies hunted them a couple of times and 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:32.800 they had an instance no charge, but they got they 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:35.960 were they were. He said, the trackers are tracking yep, 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:38.960 And all of a sudden, he guy holds his hand 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:42.320 up yeah and touches his ear, and they've been he said, 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:43.760 they've been following him for a good part. 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:44.040 Of a day. 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:49.880 Yeah, and they can hear somehow their trajectory on the track, 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:53.480 like for whatever reason, something out ahead of them had 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:57.240 bumped them or something gotcha. So he said, they're going 0:14:57.520 --> 0:14:59.680 and they're they're following the trail, but all a sudden 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:03.400 you can hear them and they're coming at a good 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:07.640 cliff like something just happened, and they're coming yep, And 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.560 so he says they're way off and then they're like 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:15.600 in their lap, right yeah, and shoots one at thirty yards. 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:17.280 Nice good range to shoot one out. 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:20.120 In their lap. So then you're like he's like that, 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:24.480 like that scratched the itch because he's like I was 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:28.480 worried that it would be that like, oh, I could 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:31.560 you know, through the brush, I could kind of make 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:34.920 out like a shoulder blade and someone saying go go 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:38.080 go it. Yeah, and then you shoot and it's and 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:41.160 it's dead, and you never like you never were in 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:42.600 its presence. 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:43.080 Yeah. 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:45.480 Yeah, and he felt like he he was. 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:47.720 So happy to have it that they were they were 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:49.880 like there, Yeah, it was exciting. Yeah, you were like 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:53.840 they were there without the without the sort of yeah, 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:56.520 absolutely trying to kill you aspect of it. 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:58.920 Yeah. I think he said, yeah, they were. He said 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:01.880 they were oblivious to their right but still he's like, 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:04.240 you can still just like like feel. 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:07.040 It, Yeah, feel the intensity of being that close to them. Yeah, 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:10.200 I mean that's what that's kind of what I endeavor 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:15.080 to do on on safarias is get people a number 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:18.280 of those kind of like interactions, whether you end up 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:20.840 shooting one, you know, whether it's a you know, you 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:22.480 just kind of get up on a herd to just 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:25.200 get to get a look at what's in there. We 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:27.520 typically don't shoot from herds if we can avoid it, 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:30.560 but yeah, just having that that experience of being close 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:33.480 to them is definitely it's a big part of it 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:42.320 the charge piece is far less desirable standpoint. No, I know, 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:44.280 I know I picked that up. No for sure, for sure, 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:46.440 But I'm not going to pretend. 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:49.840 I've had like little mix up with like minor mix 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:53.960 ups with grizzly bears, and I wouldn't give away as 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:55.960 much as you try to avoid it, and what did 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:58.840 you try to avoid it in hindsight? Right, I wouldn't 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:01.359 sacrifice any of those speriences in hindsight. 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:03.880 No for sure, And I'm not going to pretend like 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:07.280 the prospect of a charge isn't part of the appeal 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:09.879 of hunting Cape buffalo, you know, it's, of course it is. 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:13.600 It's how many grizzly how many grizzly bear attack people 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:17.040 have we interviewed? And when I say to them, there's 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:18.920 my two favorite questions in the world. Is a person 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:21.920 has wild pig problems? I say, if you could wave 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:24.200 a magic wand and all the wild pigs would be gone, 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:27.840 would you wave it? They always say no, not all 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:30.600 of them? Yeah, And then people like, do you wish 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:32.800 it wouldn't have happened? And people have a hard time 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:35.439 saying they wish it wouldn't have happened. The survivors have 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:38.760 a hard time saying. They're like, Eh, it's who I 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:39.560 am now. 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:43.840 It's it's a survivors, yeah. 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:44.000 For sure. 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:48.600 But it is it's a good I mean, it's a way. 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:51.000 It's it's like a time and a place where you 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:55.560 feel something that I think outside of certain other like 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:58.479 walks of life, like being maybe a firefighter or a 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:02.159 cop or something like that, you get a kind of range. 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:03.639 What's a cop? 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:11.760 Yeah, I mean other than those sort of that's more English, 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:15.800 isn't it. I mean we can go back. 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:18.440 Firefighter. 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:25.159 No. 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:28.080 So outside of sort of those that narrow range of professions, 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:32.560 you get a you know, a sort of a series 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:34.720 of emotions and feelings that you're just not really going 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:37.560 to get elsewhere in day to day life. And that's 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:40.000 a good way to think. Yeah, I mean that's part 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:42.480 of the appeal. And then that does it leaves like 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:44.359 an indelible mark on you, you know, it kind of 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:46.959 changes your your perspective on stuff. 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:50.080 How many times in your career have you felt like, 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:52.840 to whatever degree is something actually happened? How many times 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:55.240 in your career have you felt like a threat from 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:56.359 Kate Buffalo. 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:04.959 A threat? Well, there's certainly been times. You know, I 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:07.640 used to hunt and I still do hunt in the 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:11.200 Cape Buffalo in the montane forests of northern Tanzania. It's 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:13.919 very high elevation, kind of these these mountains that come 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:17.119 out of the Rift Valley, and it's very dense vegetation. 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:20.760 It's you know, almost like you could you know, the 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:23.520 laymans to be caught like almost like jungle, and you 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:26.439 do inevitably get quite close to them in there, either 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:29.560 deliberately or or by accident. You'll bump into herds in 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:32.480 this kind of very very dense type stuff, and you'll 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:35.280 have situations where cows with calves and that will kind 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:38.080 of come out and like bluff charge you or or 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:41.560 sort of like run in your direction, and then you know, 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:45.239 a buffalo herd sometimes they'll sort of circle up and 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:47.959 like move a little closer to you, particularly in the evenings, 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:51.840 you know, as part of sort of like a defensive 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:56.320 posture that they kind of create. So I've certainly been 0:19:56.359 --> 0:20:00.040 intimidated by Cape Buffalo a lot. But times where I 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:03.399 could say that I was genuinely at risk of like 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:09.960 serious injury or death probably less than ten more than 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:15.600 five how many years fifteen, So we got a thirty 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:17.560 three percent chance. Well, no, because you're doing a bunch 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:19.280 of times every year. Yeah, I'm doing a lot of 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:22.040 doing a lot of trips. Yeah it's not one trip 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:29.520 a year, it's not that lucrative, but yeah it's you know. 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:33.200 So coming back to your charge videos, my kind of 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:36.320 takeaway from them is a lot of them have a 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:40.120 little more chaos than I would typically want to see, 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:43.520 particularly if I was running the deal. But you know, 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:46.960 everyone can sort of armchair quarterback these things. But the 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:51.200 other one is just how difficult it is to adequately 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:55.480 prepare yourself for that moment, Like, even as a professional hunter, 0:20:56.119 --> 0:21:01.960 how difficult it difficult it is to override like the 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:06.760 natural brain chemistry impulses that you get under that kind 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:10.200 of stress. Like it's just I look at the guy's 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:12.879 body language, I look at like how they like what 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:16.000 they're doing, and I can just see because I've been 0:21:16.040 --> 0:21:19.399 in that situation, I could just feel like what they're feeling, 0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:22.240 you know, And to me, it's like a mixture of 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:25.200 like you get this huge rush of adrenaline, right, but 0:21:25.280 --> 0:21:28.080 you also get like this fight or flight thing. And 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:30.000 I think what happens is as a part of your 0:21:30.040 --> 0:21:32.840 brain that like looks at the size and power of 0:21:32.920 --> 0:21:35.920