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Speaker 1: This is the Meat Eater Podcast coming at you shirtless, severely,

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Speaker 1: T L I T E dot com. Accusing me of you,

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Speaker 1: He's confusing, he's getting like, he's confusing. Who got sick?

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Speaker 1: I'm sick like once every two years now is always sick.

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Speaker 2: I'm not I know, not be ill.

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Speaker 3: I'm not a no person.

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Speaker 1: I have allergies.

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Speaker 4: It's a bad year.

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Speaker 1: In the show already started, it's I've been rolling for

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Speaker 1: two minutes. Can you make sure it starts with with

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Speaker 1: clarifying that sickly sad note that sickly sad is always sick.

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Speaker 3: I'm not always sick. I feel like you're gonna get

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Speaker 3: sick and laughter.

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Speaker 4: I was just.

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Speaker 1: Because he's over here sniffling right now. I know what

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Speaker 1: are you sniffing about?

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Speaker 2: It probably got allergies because allergies.

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Speaker 4: No, it is the pullens bad this year.

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Speaker 1: I think that would be rolled under sickly. Yeah, no

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Speaker 1: infirm this is general infirmity. Our friend Morgan Potter's here.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good to be back. But by the time

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Speaker 1: you're listening to this, so because of because of things

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Speaker 1: in this world that I hate, like what.

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Speaker 5: You really want to know?

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Speaker 1: I'm really going to focus on one thing I hate. Okay,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, it should just be that, Like, in

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Speaker 1: my opinion, it should just be that this is effectively live.

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Speaker 4: The podcast.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, like like as soon as it's done, it's just wah.

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Speaker 1: And sometimes there'd be three shows in a week. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: there'd be no shows in a week.

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Speaker 7: It just be like, what do we think, Phil Well,

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Speaker 7: I've talked with Karin about this, and I actually agree

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Speaker 7: with Steve. I would love it if we could do

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Speaker 7: something like that. We're just beholding to many agreements and

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Speaker 7: deals with with people and companies, and there's there's a

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Speaker 7: lot of moving parts. Great listeners of course, incredible company companies.

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Speaker 1: I would change the show's name because that's what it

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Speaker 1: would be like.

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Speaker 2: That sounds like something else. We won't go there.

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Speaker 1: Like stupid like stupid reasons that I can't even begin

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Speaker 1: to like understand, let alone explain. I've had it explained

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Speaker 1: to me twenty times. I still don't understand it. You

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Speaker 1: know what, do we talk about this recently in Life Aquatic.

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Speaker 4: With Steve?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Perhaps, Yeah, one of the top movies ever made. Fantastic,

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Speaker 1: It's like up there with Big Lebowski. Oh, definitely. Someone's

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Speaker 1: explaining something to his character, Bill Murray's character, and he says,

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Speaker 1: I don't understand that, but it sounds like bullshit.

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Speaker 8: I ran into Mury in an elevator once I was

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Speaker 8: working at a post production or office, was in a

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Speaker 1: Steve your phone, it's not how can you guys hear that?

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Speaker 8: Ran into Bill Murray in an elevator in the same day.

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Speaker 8: I forget how many years ago this was. That he

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Speaker 8: was on the cover was it Vogue or another publication.

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Speaker 8: He was on the cover of it, and I was

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Speaker 8: holding that magazine while I stepped into an elevator together

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Speaker 4: Was he cool?

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Speaker 2: He was cool?

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Speaker 8: No, I just looked at him and I like slowly

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Speaker 2: That was was my Bill Murray.

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Speaker 4: And he's one of the ones that I like, you

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Speaker 4: You know, he probably.

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Speaker 1: Morgan Potter. He's an Australian, as you can tell. Hey,

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Speaker 4: No, I can't do it. Oh it's bad. No, I

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Speaker 1: What part of the country is your We could all

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Speaker 4: So I've heard a couple of the Australians early before

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Speaker 4: you walked in this door. Well was key. We actually

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Speaker 4: not not so great you guys from that.

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Speaker 1: Do him goof goofund him.

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Speaker 9: That's not a knot.

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Speaker 1: You've got a lot of material.

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Speaker 4: I mean. I have a deal with my children that

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Speaker 4: when they can do a passable Australian accent, I'll like

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Speaker 4: give him a day off school, get him ice cream,

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Speaker 4: whatever they want. They've failed to Uh.

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Speaker 1: They can't do. I could I can, maybe Randall can

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Speaker 1: give him some pointers. Yeah, goofund him a minute, Randall.

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Speaker 5: Oh, now you're putting me on the spot.

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Speaker 1: We'll just do that.

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Speaker 5: This used to be a penal colony.

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Speaker 4: That's no good.

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Speaker 1: Shah. Yeah, nor we did. We did this with Southerners

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Speaker 1: Not doing that. No, I'm when they do their northern accent,

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Speaker 1: they do everybody as Wisconsin okay, oh yeah, Sam, And

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Speaker 4: like regional variation. I appreciate that a lot. But we'll

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Speaker 4: do what.

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Speaker 1: Just do a quick one. When you're telling your stories,

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Speaker 4: If I've been drinking some American I just can't. I

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Speaker 1: Fair enough, it's not.

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Speaker 1: I get my hair cut at vip here and right

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Speaker 4: Of him, And then he.

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Speaker 1: Asked him what he does for fun, and the guy says, well,

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Speaker 1: you the guy from meat Eater one? He was in

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Speaker 1: town for work? Oh? Really in town for work? He said,

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Speaker 1: he's here. I didn't catch what he was working on,

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Speaker 1: but he's sent here and he's got he's got two

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Speaker 4: I'll bet it's mining or something.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure, yeah, I should say I'm sure.

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Speaker 4: But whatever it was, it looks hot. Yeah, I'll bet

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Speaker 4: he came in looking hot mining out.

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Speaker 1: By the time you're listening to this, for reasons I

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Speaker 1: here right now. We will be like a like an

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Speaker 1: alternate universe. We will be in Tanzania hunting for Kate Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: If you want to hear how if you want to

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Speaker 1: reflect back on how all this came to be, go

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Speaker 1: back to episode four four six, which is called when

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Speaker 1: an African Kate Buffalo Beats Your butt? Did we call that, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we didn't call it beats your ass? Beat your butt?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because censorship.

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Speaker 1: You know, m hmm, what an African Kate Buffalo beats

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Speaker 4: So it was just for alliteration purposes.

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Speaker 8: Nothing to do back and forth between ass and but nothing.

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Speaker 1: To do with cleaning her up. So we're gonna come

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Speaker 4: Oh me too.

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Speaker 1: I just read a whole book about Kate Buffalo that

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Speaker 1: wound up oddly about Kate.

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Speaker 5: Buffalo, which what's happening right now?

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Speaker 1: I am, no, it's true. Yeah, what.

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Speaker 4: What's the book that is not about Kate Buffalo that

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Speaker 4: pol guy, it's thunder without rain. Ah, I have I've

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Speaker 4: read it a long time.

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Speaker 1: Ago, but you know how well, no, no, no, because it

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Speaker 4: Oh really.

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Speaker 1: It came out posthumously.

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Speaker 1: But it's just like how broad Agan's trout Fishing in America?

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Speaker 1: Uh huh, isn't about trout fishing in America?

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Speaker 5: Just really disappointing.

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Speaker 1: There's a great line about trout fishing a Roman. No no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: it's a nonfiction book. He just now and then And

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Speaker 1: I can say this because he's, you know, no longer

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Speaker 1: with this for for for sometimes, for like seventy five pages,

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Speaker 1: he'll forget that it's about Kate Buffalo.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and he'll be just talking about whatever.

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Speaker 4: Or is it more.

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Speaker 1: that might tangentially involve Kate Buffalo. So he spends a

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Speaker 1: his generation that were interested in Africa, they're very interested

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Speaker 1: So, rather than talk about Hemingway's run ins with Kate Buffalo, right,

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Speaker 4: On Hemingway, gotcha.

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Speaker 1: Or out of Africa? He has to talk about that.

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Speaker 1: we do this. Have you heard of our stuff? Meet

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like whatever, and they're in there doing their

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00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: work and all of.

441
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 4: A sudden, it's it's up, it's up, and you know,

442
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 4: like yeah, in their midst Yeah, And there's a handful

443
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,360
Speaker 4: of accounts like this, but there's one we saw where

444
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 4: the guy.

445
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: And all of it winds up on it because it's

446
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 1: the only way to get clear of its horns. Oh okay, yeah,

447
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: he gets like on it.

448
00:23:55,600 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 4: Oh really it can't Yeah, I can't get it. Yeah,

449
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 4: it's like grabbing the tail, I guess of like you

450
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:03,959
Speaker 4: know what I mean.

451
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's a mention of that too. A

452
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: guy got one's tail. Yeah, the guy wound up being

453
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 1: like he wound up and trying to get out of

454
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: its way on it and then I can't remember he

455
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,360
Speaker 1: rode it till it collapsed or whatever the hell he did. Yeah.

456
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 6: My favorite one is the guy who jumps on his

457
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,919
Speaker 6: horse and then accidentally shoots his horse and.

458
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 4: Oh dear, yeah, I'm I was. I always imagine that

459
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 4: buffalo hunting, you know, in the American West, is like

460
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 4: a longer range kind of pursuit, you know, with those

461
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 4: sharps rifles and these guys.

462
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, these guys are these guys, they're like, in their

463
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: preferred setup, they were two three hundred yards.

464
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 4: Away, right, And is that I mean, obviously they were

465
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 4: capable marksmen, But is that because the herd would just

466
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 4: behave differently?

467
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they're relying on a level of confusion. They're

468
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 1: relying on the herd not really understand where the shooting's

469
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: come from.

470
00:24:58,359 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 4: Gotcha. And then.

471
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 1: A thing that really surprised me about in all this

472
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: research is, uh, two shots per animal was good? Okay,

473
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: you'd brag about it. Oh interesting, Ye, you'd brag about

474
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 1: two shots per animal. Okay, yeah, I would have assumed. Yeah,

475
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: that's interesting.

476
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 4: Okay.

477
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 6: There's a counts of guys making a stock and then

478
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 6: realizing they're too close, back backing out another one hundred

479
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 6: and fifty yards or something like Seth did with his dear.

480
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 4: Ye, not intentionally.

481
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: The philosophy of these guys, yeah, and it like evolves,

482
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 1: But the hunting philosophy of them is that you whatever

483
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: one seems to be, there's like there's a drift to

484
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: the group or whatever. So whatever one seems to be

485
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 1: the point, Yeah, they like to wound it.

486
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 4: Oh the lead animal okay, yeah, and then the sless

487
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 4: the hoods rules.

488
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: And then you watch and whoever seems most inclined to

489
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: take John to leave wound that one, yep. And then

490
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 1: whoever seems most inclined to leave and then hitting him

491
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: in a way that they don't run. And what's kind

492
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: of gruesome bo is it was sometimes intentionally hit him

493
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 1: in front of the hips.

494
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's one guy likes to shoot him in front

495
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 6: of the hips. They just arch their backs and kind

496
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 6: of just stagger around.

497
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 4: Because then the other ones are like, well he's not leaving, yeah, gotcha. Okay,

498
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 4: so they like this one.

499
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's still standing here. I mean there's like

500
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: a there's a.

501
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 4: Real different ethetic and there's.

502
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Speaker 1: No you know, the thing we've observed. I'm not going

503
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 1: to talk about it too much, right NOx, we'll talk

504
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: about a lot more later. But the thing we've observed

505
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: is out of the Long Hunters, you have like American heroes, yeah,

506
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: Daniel Boone primarily out of the Mountain Men, you have

507
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: Jim Bridger. Yep, the Hide Hunters produce no heroes.

508
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, sort of they've cut they produced no heroes.

509
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 8: Yeah.

510
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no American hero spun out of that gang.

511
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 4: It took a different sort and took more of a rug.

512
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 4: Well yeah, just like a oh just there's a wickedness too.

513
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, it's it's just like what they their

514
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: skill set and all that, and their toughness is like undeniable.

515
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: It's like unparalleled what they could endure. But there's just

516
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: a brutality. Yeah, that emerges that you don't. Yeah, that's

517
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: sort of like an awareness ethical gap and an awareness,

518
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:36,479
Speaker 1: an intense, deliberate spoken awareness that you're getting them all

519
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 1: like you knew, they knew.

520
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 4: By and large they knew exactly what they were doing.

521
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 4: Yeah's and by and large did not care. It's just

522
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 4: a different gang man, a different gang. You know, a

523
00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 4: lot of the great African professional hunters of of last

524
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 4: century were at different times kind of doubled as like

525
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 4: game control officers or were given the task of eradicating

526
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 4: a large amount of game, either to make way for

527
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 4: agriculture or human settlement, you know, relocating different tribal groups

528
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 4: or white settlement in East Africa. And yeah, it was

529
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 4: it's interesting how they could kind of go. I definitely

530
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 4: wouldn't suggest at all that they were able to kind

531
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 4: of go as down and dirty as those Buffalo guys,

532
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 4: like intentionally wounding stuff. Would I wouldn't suggest that that

533
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 4: was kind of part of the program. But they were

534
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 4: able to make this transition from being a very ethical,

535
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 4: very kind of very much focused on adhering to you know,

536
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 4: ethical constraints and game laws and things like that, to

537
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 4: going and kind of culling large numbers of l in

538
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 4: buffalo and other species to kind of make way from

539
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 4: for agriculture and then kind of seamlessly transitioned back into

540
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 4: very selective you know a lot of kind of European

541
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 4: sensibilities to it, kind of professional hunting. Yeah, which is

542
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 4: interesting to me. And what year was that Craper guys

543
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 4: coming up? Was that like in the is that like

544
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 4: the guys that were emerging around that.

545
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: Sort of heyday that kind of like Hemingway heyday of

546
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: the Yeah, thirties and forties for sure, right.

547
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 4: Up until so I would say from that, you know,

548
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 4: the early sort of pre First War, World War right

549
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 4: up until the kind of yeah, the heyday of the

550
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 4: fifties and then and then.

551
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: The heyday was pulse. I was stupid to see the

552
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: thirties and forties because the headache was pulst World War two.

553
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 4: Well, there was sort of two. I mean, it depends

554
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 4: on how you look at it. You know, there was.

555
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 4: To me, kind of defining the heyday is difficult because

556
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 4: there was different things that were good about different eras.

557
00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 4: You know, the eighteen nineties were incredible as far it

558
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 4: was like Theodore Roosevelt. Yeah, well his was nineteen oh nine,

559
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 4: I think was his Safari and so, you know, just

560
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 4: before that, you know, things were Africa was so unexplored

561
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 4: and so wild. But on the you know, the downside

562
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 4: of that era was your firearm technology wasn't you know,

563
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 4: where it was post the first after the First World War,

564
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 4: and then also you know, your risk of dying of

565
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 4: some tropical disease or whatever, it was massive. You know,

566
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 4: the end of the First World War was a real

567
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 4: golden age because the the British then acquired what was

568
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 4: then Tanganika which is now Tanzania and sort of added

569
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 4: that to their you know, territory that they could hunt

570
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 4: and there was a lot of kind of exploration and

571
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 4: opening up of that country, which is fascinating. And obviously

572
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 4: the firearm technology had come away a long way as

573
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 4: a medical stuff. And then you have the arrival of

574
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 4: the motor car in the thirties, which really changed the

575
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 4: game as far as where you could get and that

576
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,479
Speaker 4: was kind of what precipitated a lot of the change

577
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 4: where even the East African Professional Hunters Association saw the

578
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 4: riding on the wall that Safari was going to go

579
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 4: in a totally different direction because it would open up

580
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 4: this possibility for a new clientele that had less time

581
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 4: to dedicate it to it. Like the Roosevelt Safari was

582
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 4: a full year because there was you know, they had

583
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 4: some trucks and that forgetting, but there was no roads.

584
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 4: You know, the motor cars weren't widely available, so a

585
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,959
Speaker 4: lot of it was just on foot. You know, they

586
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 4: would go out and hundreds of porters carrying their gear

587
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 4: and just kind of march out into the wilderness. Whereas

588
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 4: the motor car changed it where you could have shorter

589
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 4: duration safaris, you could get places quicker, you could you know,

590
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 4: the logistical aspect of it was more kind of under control.

591
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 4: And then you know, the arrival of the aeroplane, so

592
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 4: you know that really allowed people from the US and

593
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 4: you know Europe as well to kind of it just

594
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 4: became more accessible.

595
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: Speaking of the airplane, you know what I can't get

596
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: into what's that? The book?

597
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 4: You got me onto? Oh West the Night? Yeah, West

598
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 4: with the Knight. You canind of get into it. Struggling, Really,

599
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 4: you don't what you don't like Beryl's her right style.

600
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: No stylistic I don't like her as a stylist. Yeah,

601
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: I didn't know there's a little bit of controversy that

602
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: there's like some people say.

603
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 4: That she didn't write it.

604
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't know if I believe that or not.

605
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not it doesn't look.

606
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 4: To me like there. I think her achievements don't. It

607
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 4: doesn't take any if she didn't write it, doesn't take

608
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 4: anything away from her achievements.

609
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: It happens to women because you know that there's a

610
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: there's an argument that Harper Lee didn't write to Kill

611
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: a Market it was written by true Mcapodi.

612
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've heard that.

613
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: Anyhow, I can't get into it.

614
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sorry to hear that. It's a it's a

615
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 4: great book, but no, it's not. Well, it's a matter

616
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 4: of opinion.

617
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: She was appreciative.

618
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 4: She was an impressive woman, there's no question it. Sure,

619
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 4: and in an era where get to your point. I mean,

620
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 4: even the great Karen Blixen wrote under under the sort

621
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 4: of pseudonym of Isaac Dinnison when she first published Out

622
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 4: of Africa.

623
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 8: What.

624
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, gotta figure I should have learned that from the book.

625
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: I'm the other disappointed.

626
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I'm surprised you didn't go into that and

627
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 4: into those nuances.

628
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:31,479
Speaker 8: Uh.

629
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: Oh, you know, we gotta do chili. These are chili

630
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: has a hunting story to share with us. Oh good

631
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: New Zealand hunts do a New Zealand accent.

632
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 4: Uh, it is so hard.

633
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: I mean, like, well you can't because then you gotta

634
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: word you got to use the C word every other word.

635
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's a hard tart one.

636
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 4: That was.

637
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 3: That was probably the funnest part about being on there,

638
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 3: because you.

639
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: Know what when I came home from there, When I

640
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: came home from there, I had like I made the mistake.

641
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: I made the mistake one time of arguing my wife.

642
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 4: Oh oh yeah, well I didn't know.

643
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 7: We've talked about this on the podcast before.

644
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 4: It doesn't go well.

645
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 2: The energy of a kiwi is.

646
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's just like you can't. You can't do

647
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: their thing because their thing every it's like their thing

648
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: relies on like how we use the word and a

649
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: lot they use the sea word.

650
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 4: It's but it's a term of endearment. Really, it's not.

651
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 4: It's not like it's much more universal.

652
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean like there's ways that they say it,

653
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 3: Like if if you were to get called like a

654
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 3: right sea word, like what they called you that like oh,

655
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 3: he's being right whatever then like you're not you're in

656
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 3: the cross HEAs.

657
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 2: I mean I've recently been.

658
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 8: And they're Irish and they use it every other word,

659
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 8: but I guess I've not.

660
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 3: I said it the other day here in Bozeman my

661
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 3: house is like, yeah, it's a terrible thing.

662
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 1: That's why I can't go back.

663
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 4: That's no good.

664
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 5: I can go back just to be able to say

665
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:57,439
Speaker 5: that's great.

666
00:34:58,520 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't know if I could do the

667
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 4: like hey bro, hey you go you knowing that in

668
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 4: Australian it's that they sort of flatten their vows so

669
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 4: like I would say chips and they'd say chips.

670
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.

671
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 3: I feel like they also are just they're more like

672
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 3: kind of calm about it, like they're like they're being so.

673
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 4: Much more located.

674
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 1: Do you're again with more confidence?

675
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 4: Hey bro, hey gown.

676
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: I don't think that's that's something different.

677
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 4: That's like that's like I.

678
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 3: Can't I can do the Australian like if I mean

679
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 3: you think, do you think, hey.

680
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: Bro, hey bro is New Zealand is it more of

681
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: a hey bro, hey bro? Yeah, listen your body when

682
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: the mind and go hey bro, I don't know and

683
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: then ask him what do you think I'm doing right now?

684
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: I spent thirteen days there.

685
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna be like a subject matter expert.

686
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: Hey bro, he's not gonna say I think you'd be

687
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 1: in New Zealand.

688
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 4: No, hey bro, no, he's the zaying I declined to

689
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 4: do that America.

690
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: Again.

691
00:35:58,520 --> 00:35:59,720
Speaker 3: I can't Jesus.

692
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 6: I gotta think of like a word or like a phrase,

693
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 6: don't do uh hey bro. All I can think of

694
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 6: is just lines from flight of the content.

695
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 9: That's all I'm thinking right, just like banned meeting.

696
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 3: So it's like you're talking about Honting, Like, so we're

697
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 3: gonna go over there. Yeah, I can't do it.

698
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: It's very effeminate. I know they talk like they over there.

699
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 3: The guys you're with the Yeah, I'm gonna get I'm

700
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,959
Speaker 3: gonna get hemmed up. I know I am. Zan's gonna

701
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 3: watch this and he's gonna call me a right to.

702
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 1: Talk like New Zealand. That's fine, but yeah, we we go.

703
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 3: We went to New Zealand for thirteen days to do

704
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 3: a public land uh Tar hunt. That was that was

705
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 3: the main goal.

706
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 2: Yep, for for me, you enlighten me about tar.

707
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I guess like the best way I could

708
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 3: describe tar to somebody like that hunts a lot in

709
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 3: North America would be to describe them as like kind

710
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 3: of like they're very similar to like a North American mountain, go,

711
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 3: like you know that's how I described like, same kind

712
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 3: of environment.

713
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: Same horns, kind of weird, kind of weird bald faces.

714
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, weird bald faces, huge maine like kind of like

715
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 3: a lion's mane on their torso. And you know, based

716
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 3: off of like how old they are or or whatever

717
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 3: like that, the horns and the main will change, like

718
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 3: the older they get, I think the more blonde. From

719
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 3: what I was described or what I was told, it's

720
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 3: like the older they get, the more blonde. Like I

721
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:30,240
Speaker 3: don't know if there'll be some Yeah, there'll be some pictures.

722
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 3: I think Phil will throw up there. But the funny thing.

723
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: About do you want to see those pictures?

724
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 7: Tuned into Radio Live that aired several weeks ago, because

725
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 7: that's what we'll be talking about.

726
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 3: Oh okay, you put it on, but yeah, like the like, well,

727
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 3: I'll get into it. But from the tar that I shot,

728
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 3: it was about a five and a half year old

729
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 3: that the horns have rings, kind of like your big

730
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 3: horn sheet, so that's how you kind of age them.

731
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 3: And the tar that I shot was about five and

732
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 3: a half but it was super blonde, and Zane told me,

733
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 3: he's like, I've never seen a five and a half

734
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 3: year old with that color of a man, so I

735
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,919
Speaker 3: thought that was kind of cool. When I shot mine,

736
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 3: there was a darker and older tar bowl they call

737
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 3: him bulls and Nannies. He was right next to the

738
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 3: one I shot, and uh, but for some reason, I

739
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 3: just found this one to be a lot more pretty.

740
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 3: I was more interested in the one that I shot.

741
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: Did you say they call him so it's I don't.

742
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 1: I didn't remember this. It's bulls and nannies, not billies

743
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: and nannies, not bulls and cows.

744
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 4: It's bulls and nannies.

745
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 5: Yells.

746
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 4: And then.

747
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 3: Yeah that's.

748
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, so.

749
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 3: Chilly.

750
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 1: Look at that look good?

751
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 4: Nice one?

752
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 2: Yeah great, Yeah, that's that's beautiful. You sent me some photos.

753
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 8: It looks like the American alpine too, and I got

754
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 8: a darker face and then really blonde.

755
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 3: Talking about chilli or the animal, yeah, it's my spirit

756
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,240
Speaker 3: animal that things.

757
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 5: Probably I like the Southern hemisphere, it does.

758
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,919
Speaker 3: I also want to point out that that's not where

759
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 3: I mean, that's not where I shot that thing. That's

760
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 3: we're kind of like in the river bottom. We had

761
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 3: to get that thing flown out because I couldn't we

762
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 3: couldn't physically get.

763
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 2: There flown out. Oh that's very helpful.

764
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 1: I Well, so like I shot fell where you couldn't

765
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: retrieve it.

766
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, like we thought we could get up there

767
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 3: from where we were standing, and then so I shot it,

768
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 3: So we get we get up to where we go.

769
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: I want.

770
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 3: I wanted to find these tar and we found them

771
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 3: pretty early in the morning, hoping they would come back down,

772
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 3: but they never did. And uh, when I shot I

773
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 3: hit it. I showed Zane or the photos in the

774
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 3: video of me shooting it, and he goes, I don't

775
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 3: think that we're going to be able to get up there?

776
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 9: And is that what this picture is, Chili?

777
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 4: Are you pointing up there?

778
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: Yeah?

779
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 3: So, like my body's kind of in front of the mountaintop.

780
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 3: But we thought we would be able to zigzag our

781
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 3: way up there and at least try to try to

782
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 3: locate it the next day because we had I think

783
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 3: I shot it with about an hour left of daylight left,

784
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 3: but I showed.

785
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 5: Zany's just like, yeah, it's not worth it.

786
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 3: So the next morning Scott from Helly Rural Flights, he

787
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 3: came out and uh, and he picked it up and

788
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 3: so he had to get it. And like when Zane

789
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 3: got back after they dropped it off back at camp,

790
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 3: Zams is like, there's absolutely no way you were to

791
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 3: get up there because it it from I shot it

792
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 3: and it fell pretty much on this ice shelf. And

793
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,959
Speaker 3: Zane said, if like if it would have like slid

794
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 3: two more yards, it would have kind of went all

795
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 3: the way to the bottom and you would.

796
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: Be able to get it.

797
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 3: But he's like, if on foot, there's just absolutely no way.

798
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: So but oh, that's sweet. That's your camp.

799
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 4: That's were you on the eastern or the western side

800
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 4: of the Alps. We were on the eastern side, eastern side.

801
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 1: Nice.

802
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd done that hunt grueling, yeah.

803
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 3: And just it's that's such a pretty placed I mean,

804
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 3: we we didn't have a lot of options like where

805
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 3: we could go. I mean that that super greenside kind

806
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 3: of off to my left there, that was like the

807
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 3: main mountain we were hunting. But sorry, my watch is

808
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 3: going crazy, but we could kind of go around to

809
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 3: the right in between the snow Capped Mountain and in

810
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 3: the green Side Mountain. There we go up there, but

811
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 3: there's a glacier in between those two mountains, and there's

812
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 3: a great glacier off to my off my right shoulder too,

813
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 3: so we couldn't really go anywhere other than straight up

814
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 3: the mountain or off to the left, so we were

815
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,919
Speaker 3: kind of limited. But it was just unreal country. Like, yeah,

816
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 3: we drank water from the glacier on the glacier rivers,

817
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 3: like that was super fun. That was from where I

818
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 3: shot and down at the bottom you can see the

819
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 3: kind of screen field that's where we were camping. Yeah,

820
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,439
Speaker 3: super abrasive and super like intimidating country. Like I wasn't

821
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,479
Speaker 3: I knew it was gonna be tough, but I don't.

822
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 3: I don't think I was like mentally prepared as much

823
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 3: as I should have been.

824
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 5: But uh, yeah, no, it was.

825
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 3: It was a great trip, a lot of fun stories

826
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 3: that that was definitely like a hunt of a lifetime

827
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 3: for me. It was interesting learning about like tar and

828
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 3: like how they how they hunt down there, and like

829
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 3: like private land, public land and all that all that stuff,

830
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 3: like there is public there's kind of like three main

831
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 3: ways to hunt that you got like your your kind

832
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 3: of your game ranches, which would be like your c

833
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 3: A ranch or your Galt ranch, staying at a lodge,

834
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 3: hunting private land, and then you got your public and

835
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,439
Speaker 3: then you got like free range private. So the guys

836
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 3: will like, if you want to shoot a stag, guidled

837
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 3: by the stag and then put it out on private

838
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 3: and then you just go hunt it, So say.

839
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: That again, Oh yeah, I got you, you know.

840
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 4: Deal, Yeah, which is what two.

841
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 3: Of the guys did for the stag and fallow. So

842
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 3: but that was fun to kind of do that. Like

843
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 3: I didn't I didn't hunt stag follow bit.

844
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 1: You didn't run in any shammies shamah.

845
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 3: Uh not not on No. When there was a guy

846
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 3: that was with us and he opted in to shoot

847
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 3: a private lantar via helicopter and so he's got he

848
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 3: just got flown in and hunted a tar that way.

849
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 3: He They said that they when they were doing that,

850
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 3: they saw some shammy on this private land. But I

851
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 3: wasn't with them at the time, and but yeah, apparently

852
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 3: they're kind of the numbers of of tar and shammy

853
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 3: from what I was told in the area that we

854
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 3: were in there kind of getting decimated.

855
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 1: Because that's intentional because the I mean they helicopter gun

856
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 1: him to reduce the numbers.

857
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, so Zay called it tarmageddon.

858
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 3: Back in the day, there was just so many tar

859
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 3: and they made like this helo the HeLa hunting legal

860
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 3: and like you could do that, and so they just

861
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 3: like absolutely decimated the population. And you could argue, I

862
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 3: mean that's good and bad because they were overrunning and

863
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 3: they were very much overpopulated. But when I talked to

864
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 3: like Zaye, he goes, yeah, it kind of makes it

865
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 3: like hard when you have clients and you're going into

866
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 3: a public spot like we probably saw I don't know,

867
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 3: twenty tar up on top of this mountain, and he goes,

868
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 3: you told us he's like ten years ago there'd be

869
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 3: hundreds on this mountain, and so like, yeah, you could

870
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 3: argue both sides of the story. But yeah, from from

871
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 3: what Zam was saying is like he's not seen the

872
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 3: numbers that he would like to see.

873
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: There's often that tension with these with places Australia speaking

874
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: for your homeland, New Zealand, Hawaii, Okay, where you have

875
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: non native populations of game and you have like the

876
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: environmental movement or more like like kind of like the

877
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: radical end of the environmental movement wants to see them

878
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: all eliminated, which puts them in an odd position because

879
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: they're arguing for you know, it's it's like they're arguing

880
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: for like sort of the death of the animals, pointing

881
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: out that they're non native. And then you have the

882
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: hunters who are like being like, yeah, I control is fine,

883
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: but I don't want them eliminated because by this point

884
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,479
Speaker 1: you have a century or more of people who've grown

885
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: up with the resource. Yep. You know, you hear like

886
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: it's pretty commoner, you know, and and and you get

887
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: it in Hawaii, where there's there's groups will buy like

888
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: preservation groups will buy stuff, and they want the goats gone,

889
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,919
Speaker 1: the sheep gone, the hogs gone. And then you got

890
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: like Hawaiian dudes who hunt, and they're on the end

891
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: of being like, man, you're kind of like destroying our

892
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: our resource. And we don't really care if they're technically

893
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 1: native or non native or whatever. They're here, They've been here,

894
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: We've always hunted them. My grandpa hunted them. Don't tell

895
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 1: me they don't belong.

896
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like I think like the big issue down there,

897
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 3: Zan called him greenies, you know, but the their argument

898
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 3: is that there's a where they like what the tar eat,

899
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 3: and then in tar's case, they're eating like vegetation. They're

900
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 3: they're just destroying like a plant and taking it out.

901
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 3: So yeah, when term again happened, that was like the

902
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 3: main the main argument was like, well they're destroying and

903
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 3: this plant and this this grassland.

904
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: And plant plant biodiversity. That's the argument Hawaii to plant biodiversity.

905
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and yeah, I think you just got to have

906
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 3: a certain level of conservation when it comes to that.

907
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 3: You can't like decimate the population, but you can't like

908
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 3: let them run free too, so you gotta be well.

909
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,439
Speaker 4: And I don't know how well Himalayan tar are doing

910
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 4: in their native range either. It would be a shame

911
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 4: to lose that that population. And I mean it's certainly

912
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 4: I don't know if there is a huntable population of

913
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 4: them in their native range.

914
00:46:55,719 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 2: They might be Yeah, southern Northern Indian, a western Bhutan

915
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 2: and Nepal.

916
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and I wonder if there is a is

917
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 4: a huntable population there. I'm not sure, but I somehow

918
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 4: doubt that if there is it's very large. So it's

919
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 4: important I think, to have you know, have that kind

920
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 4: of repository of genetics there in New Zealand. But yeah,

921
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 4: that preservationist kind of impulse to just like get rid

922
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 4: of it take it back, especially in a place like

923
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 4: New Zealand has no native mammal seems a little strong.

924
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's either super far left or super far right.

925
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 3: I mean, but I don't know as far as like

926
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 3: the hunting goes. Like it was. It was tough and

927
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 3: it wasn't like ideal from Zane's perspective, but it was

928
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 3: still like a really great hunt. Like watching tar like

929
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 3: just up on top of these mountains and doing their

930
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 3: thing like that was it was unreal, Like I said,

931
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 3: triple a lifetime.

932
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: Well, your observation about mountain goats, it's like more likely

933
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:01,439
Speaker 1: that that's even more like mountain goats umbers you saw. Yeah,

934
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: you would climb up and be like, oh, there's two

935
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: hundred billies up there, right, You're like you're like chasing

936
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: like a billy or two right, you know, And obviously

937
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: depends on like what sort of like where you're at.

938
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 3: You know, like one area is going to have a

939
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 3: bunch of them and the next might not. It's like

940
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 3: it's typical for any sort of hunting that you do.

941
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 3: But yeah, I guess I kind of had this false

942
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 3: narrative like going in to New Zealand. You know, I've

943
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 3: never I've never paid for a hunt like this, I've

944
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 3: never done anything like this, and so I kind of

945
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 3: had this this ideology that like I'm gonna go there

946
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 3: and I'm going to be looking at two hunder tar

947
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 3: every single day. Oh and like quickly learned that that

948
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 3: was not the case. But I mean it was still

949
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 3: it was like it was more authentic. I would say,

950
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 3: like I got like, obviously I was in New Zealand,

951
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 3: but I felt like I was back here in Montana

952
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 3: trying to find an elk or you know, a bear

953
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 3: or something like that, which was which I enjoyed. It

954
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 3: made it made it feel a lot more genuine.

955
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 4: Absolutely so it was it was good well done, good.

956
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: Work, chili.

957
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 8: Yeah did you get to do you get to bring

958
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 8: what do you get to bring back and not bring

959
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 8: back and eat or try or not?

960
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 3: So so you can bring to mynology. You can bring

961
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 3: the meatback. We we did not we ate a lot

962
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 3: of it down there for for days, but then we

963
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 3: just donated the meat. The reason being like it's just

964
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 3: you know, like bags were super expensive, like to like

965
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 3: I would probably had to bring bring three additional bags

966
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 3: and like just for two bags down there, it was

967
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 3: already four hundred. But oh it was good. I mean

968
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 3: I didn't there's nothing about it that was just like

969
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 3: if I were to eat this again, like this is

970
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 3: gonna be this is tar. I mean it was a

971
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 3: red meat. It was you know, wild game meat, and

972
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 3: but I thought it was good. Uh, I definitely need

973
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 3: it again.

974
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 2: Adjacent to anything else you've tried, Like you know.

975
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 3: Nothing really stood out to me about it, like I mean, yeah,

976
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 3: I mean like it wasn't that much like I would

977
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 3: probably say, yeah, Clo, I'm I don't know, maybe like

978
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 3: an elk ish, but like not like if you have

979
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,439
Speaker 3: like a really good elk, like you know it's elk,

980
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:08,720
Speaker 3: I'd say it's like your average elk.

981
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: I mean to me.

982
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 3: But ye as far as like what we can bring back,

983
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 3: like you can bring I'm gonna bring back like the

984
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 3: high I'm gonna get a shoulder mount and then I'm

985
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,240
Speaker 3: gonna keep the euro Mount as well, so I'll replicate

986
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 3: the horns, put those on the shoulder mount and then

987
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 3: keep the euro mount.

988
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, who's gonna stuff it for you?

989
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:26,959
Speaker 3: Well, I see, I'm gonna talk to John.

990
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: Hey, he's stuffing a couple of things for us right now.

991
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey's taxi ar me. I'm gonna talk to him.

992
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 3: I don't really have a taxi army guy, because I've

993
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 3: I've I don't even have a shoulder mount. All my

994
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 3: euro mounts I do myself. So like this is a

995
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 3: whole new experience for me as well.

996
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: So he's gonna do that big beaver. Yeah, and then

997
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: uh yeah the Boston with the boys. Guys, they want

998
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: that beaver done, like what do they call that three

999
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 1: point stance in football? Yeah, they want a beaver done

1000
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: in a three point football stance. And then he's gonna

1001
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: stuff my Uh, he's gonna do the rug with my kids.

1002
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: First bear wallhanger rug? Got you stuffed in head?

1003
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 3: I wanted to do a wallhanger rug like that mountain

1004
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 3: go there.

1005
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: But well that's what I. Have you ever hear the

1006
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: writer Ben Wallace? I have not you ever hear the

1007
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 1: book The Billionaires Vinegar?

1008
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 3: I have not?

1009
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: Are you aware of the fourth Coming book? About the

1010
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: guy that invented bitcoin, the mysterious.

1011
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely familiar with that.

1012
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 1: That fourth Coming book.

1013
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, fourth coming book.

1014
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: He wrote that.

1015
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 3: Okay, well.

1016
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: I gave him my tar rug. Yeah, you've told me

1017
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: this story, and I reached out recently just want to

1018
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: just make sure it wasn't in some storage unit. And

1019
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, while I got you, how's that tar

1020
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: rug sitting right here in my office? Love it?

1021
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 3: Like I kind of told you that he that he

1022
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,240
Speaker 3: likes it. You're not getting any because.

1023
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: If he said, oh, you know, it's in the storage unit,

1024
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,919
Speaker 1: I would have gotten it back. But he still likes it. Yeah.

1025
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 3: I I wanted to do that, but I talked to

1026
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 3: when I was talking with Zaying, I'm like, hey, you know,

1027
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 3: like would that be like I don't know if because

1028
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 3: they're pretty connected with those guys are pretty connected with

1029
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 3: those animals, you know, they they have like honorable ways

1030
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 3: of doing things and and uh so I was like, hey,

1031
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 3: what would be like the best way to kind of

1032
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 3: like just honor this animal, Like what would you do

1033
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,720
Speaker 3: with this thing? And he's like, well, honestly, i'd shoulder mounted.

1034
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 3: Like I think a shoulder mount is a good shoulder

1035
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 3: Mountain is a good representation of like this animal. And

1036
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 3: he goes, not a lot of people do the rug thing.

1037
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 3: He's like, it's not it's not a bad way to

1038
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 3: do it. He goes, but like with yours, since my

1039
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 3: man was so blonde, and he goes like, you're gonna

1040
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 3: if you rug it out, you're gonna cut through the

1041
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 3: middle of that and then you're gonna flay it out

1042
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 3: and it's not gonna look the same. So to kind

1043
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 3: of get yeah, to kind of I guess, capture the

1044
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 3: essence of that that creature, he said, shoulder mount So that's.

1045
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 1: What I did.

1046
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,959
Speaker 4: Where you're gonna hang it right.

1047
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 3: Above my Bed's good idea, right above the bed.

1048
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: Watch his transition. Well, I can't transition out of your story.

1049
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: Oh is your story done? Oh? One last question is

1050
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 1: that that co whticle tire? Is it tuned up?

1051
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 4: Good?

1052
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: Playing good for you?

1053
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know where that thing's at, to

1054
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 3: be honest, it's not.

1055
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: It's not playing good right now? No, what do you what?

1056
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 3: What is that the transition?

1057
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: No, there's a follow up question. Uh so I don't

1058
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: I don't have a transition out of that. But I'm

1059
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: going to do a thing, and then you'll see that

1060
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: it transitions into something else. I sent crena article the

1061
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: other day. It's actually a tragedy. Right, But there's a

1062
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: there's a man. There's there's a guy in Florida and

1063
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: a law enforcement officer described his criminal history as meth

1064
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: This is a quote quote meth arrest, meth arrest, meth arrest,

1065
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,760
Speaker 1: meth arrest, meth arrest.

1066
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 9: So he does some myth.

1067
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, doesn't leave to the imagination.

1068
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 3: Now where the story is going.

1069
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: He had some kind of psychotic break, swam a lake,

1070
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 1: like like law enforcement was after him. He like swam

1071
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: a lake and gets attacked by an alligator in the lake.

1072
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: Comes out. They tried, I think they tried to tase him.

1073
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 2: Didn't work. He was unbothered by that.

1074
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: So here is he's been attacked by an alligator in

1075
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: his arm, shrugged it off. Well, they ended up they

1076
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 1: ended up having to kill the guy.

1077
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he tried to take the firearms off.

1078
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 5: What did they do the alligator?

1079
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,280
Speaker 1: There's no follow about the alligator.

1080
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 3: It's a great question, thank you.

1081
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 4: Impressive that he managed to get free. Well that that baby,

1082
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 4: you know, I know what the headline is.

1083
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: Bitten by alligator, man is killed after charging at deputies.

1084
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: Sheriff says. Then the authorities say that Timothy Shoals, forty two,

1085
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: of Mulberry, Florida, swam across an alligator filled lake before

1086
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 1: a violent encounter with deputies in the neighborhood. Most guys,

1087
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: that's gonna take the fight out of them.

1088
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would think so, I would think.

1089
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,879
Speaker 8: I message back that I thought he was on bath

1090
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 8: salts or something. I think, uh, or just there's something

1091
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 8: real strong too.

1092
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess, I don't know.

1093
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 1: He was trying to get a shotgun out of a

1094
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 1: cop car. Yeah, I'll get you a shot yep. But

1095
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: the whole, the main gist of the article is that

1096
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: you get into it late and get attacked by a

1097
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 1: gator and come out fighting.

1098
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, but juice him up made an altered state.

1099
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 9: That's not impressive if you're on math.

1100
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 4: I know not.

1101
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: That's not the word I'm looking for. I mean, just

1102
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: like it's it's extraordinary, as evidenced by the fact that

1103
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: it was reported started that like the article like that

1104
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 1: catches a fellow's eye, Yeah, the New York Times. Yeah,

1105
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: but like in my mind, once you read about it.

1106
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 9: You're like, oh, he's on myth and I just like, hmm,

1107
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 9: it just kind of doesn't make it seem as cool.

1108
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 4: I don't know that cool is something.

1109
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 1: I had my cool chart out and I was trying

1110
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 1: to figure out where to plot.

1111
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:45,399
Speaker 5: To press less cool.

1112
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: So so just to just to get into your head here, yeah,

1113
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: let's do it. It winds up that this guy is

1114
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: stone cold, sobered, stone cold, ten am Monday morning. Yeah,

1115
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: gets attacked by a game and then tries to kill

1116
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 1: some cops. You'd put that like, if you.

1117
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 4: Know this is just the gator thing.

1118
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 9: Oh okay, like you said about how you just shrugged

1119
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 9: off a gator attack.

1120
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: Oh, just the ability to shrug off a gator attack,

1121
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: that's what you made it sound like.

1122
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 9: That's what what was like interesting to you about this.

1123
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 4: Kind of been very big of a gator.

1124
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 7: I don't but a guy struggling off a gator attack

1125
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 7: on meth is not that impressive to me.

1126
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 9: It doesn't seem that cool. I understand the cop the

1127
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 9: whole cop thing is not cool.

1128
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: I understand.

1129
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like charge the cops won.

1130
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 8: So if the guy is super charged by meth and

1131
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 8: doesn't feel that his arm has been bitten by a gator,

1132
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 8: that is less surprising that he would shrug it off

1133
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 8: or not even be all there to experience it, versus

1134
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 8: if a guy were sober, and would you know.

1135
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: When I first read this, I thought it was about

1136
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: a man. Then I started thinking it was about a gator.

1137
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: Now I think it's about a drug. And you know

1138
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: where my head's going. You know where my head's going next.

1139
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: And this is the sad part, And this is like

1140
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: why stories like this their eyes heart is like somewhere

1141
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: as a heartbroken mother.

1142
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'll tell you one other thing. No, if

1143
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 4: it's been a nile crocodile, he wouldn't have he wouldn't

1144
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:35,919
Speaker 4: have got out of the out of the swamp. They're there.

1145
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 4: They are entirely more ruthless species than a gator as

1146
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 4: far as I can tell.

1147
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: Give me some specs on a now crocodile.

1148
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 4: Oh man, I mean they're they're massive creatures and I

1149
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 4: think that from what I can tell, they're one of

1150
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 4: those things similar to like I think i've heard this

1151
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 4: about like bass or over a certain size. For every

1152
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 4: inch they grow in length, they grow in girth. So

1153
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 4: the big ones are incredibly girthy. I mean I shot

1154
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 4: a fourteen foot one time and kind of like you

1155
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 4: could barely sit on its back.

1156
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: It was so so broad.

1157
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 4: We have one. We have one where you're going in

1158
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 4: Loganzo Game Reserve and Loganzo Game Reserve. There is a

1159
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 4: man eating crocodile currently on the on the loose. His

1160
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 4: name's barda Wayway, which in Kiswahili kind of trans it

1161
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 4: would kind of translate to like not yet you in

1162
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 4: so far as like he hasn't gotten you yet. Last year,

1163
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 4: last year he ate five fishermen.

1164
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: No, yeah, but how is he catching the people?

1165
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 4: He follows their canoes and he waits till they get

1166
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 4: out to unload their fishing nets, and then he nails them.

1167
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 2: Steve wants to go after him.

1168
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 4: Now he's got five people five last year. I don't

1169
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 4: know what the tally is now. I'll have to check

1170
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 4: in with the guys and see where we're at. But yeah,

1171
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 4: he's been absolutely terrorizing this village. I tried to get him.

1172
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 4: I think I saw him. I'm certain it was him.

1173
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 4: Because a big crocodile like that, they're quite territorial. I

1174
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 4: doubt there'd be another one of that size. In the

1175
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 4: same area, but he wouldn't come to my bait. He

1176
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 4: was too kg, too clever.

1177
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: Huh.

1178
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 3: So, what's like like the processes the hunters are just

1179
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 3: like keeping an eye out for him, and like they say,

1180
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 3: I'm shooting them.

1181
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 5: Or well, what's like the plan to sew well?

1182
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 4: First, first off, we weren't really aware of his existence

1183
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 4: until we did a kind of river based anti poaching patrol,

1184
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 4: which we do frequently, but we kind of pushed it

1185
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 4: into some areas where we hadn't done one in a while,

1186
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 4: and as a process, we caught some kind of guys

1187
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 4: violating the fishing laws. And you know, while they were

1188
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 4: kind of tained, our guys got to chatting with them

1189
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 4: and they sort of were telling this story about this

1190
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 4: particular man eating croc and so that kind of peaked

1191
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 4: my interest and I wanted to wanted to hunt him.

1192
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 1: Can you just just to help me, Yeah, understand this

1193
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: whole thing. Can you describe what is the village and

1194
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 1: how is it positioned, and what is the sort of

1195
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: like vibe in the village.

1196
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's on the edge of the game reserve,

1197
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 4: so it's in our hunting area, but it's outside of

1198
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 4: the boundaries of the game reserve itself. So there's an

1199
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 4: old German railway that kind of goes between the game

1200
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 4: reserve and Ugala National Park and then that kind of

1201
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 4: crosses a bridge, and where that crosses a bridge, there's

1202
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 4: a village there. It's a fishing village, you know, the

1203
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 4: people are there's some little bit agriculture and some other

1204
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 4: stuff going.

1205
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: What are they netting there?

1206
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 4: They're netting anything and everything, but primarily the species are lungfish, catfish,

1207
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 4: and tilapia, So.

1208
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 1: They're netting him for a commercial market, personal.

1209
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 4: Use a combination of both. So they subsist off them

1210
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 4: and then they dry and kind of smoke the surplus,

1211
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 4: and then then that gets transported to other kind of

1212
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 4: population centers where it's sold. How many people are in

1213
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 4: a village like that, I would guess there's in that

1214
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 4: one fifteen hundred two thousand, oh okay, So it's a

1215
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 4: good it's a good number of gotcha. And so they

1216
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 4: kind of they they go up and down the river.

1217
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 4: There's portions of the game reserve waters that they're not

1218
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 4: supposed to be in that they occasionally kind of violate,

1219
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 4: and there's there's laws about the size of nets they

1220
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 4: can use, the types of nets they can use, the

1221
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 4: kind of the you know, the amount of nets and

1222
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 4: hooks they can deploy and stuff like that.

1223
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 1: So it's pretty like what would be recognizable to an Americans.

1224
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 4: Control fish regular yep. Fishing regularly, absolutely yep. They require

1225
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 4: a permit to fish, so they have to you know,

1226
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 4: they have to actually go and purchase a fishing permit

1227
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 4: that gives them a window of time in which they're

1228
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 4: allowed to fish. So it's it's a controlled fishery and

1229
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 4: we work together with TAWA Tanzania Wildlife Management Authority to

1230
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 4: kind of you know, keep tabs on that that fishery

1231
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 4: and how it's going, how it's impacting species, and it's

1232
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 4: an important ecosystem. There's obviously the crocodiles there which are

1233
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 4: an important species, the fish, the birds, the African clawless

1234
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 4: otter in that waterway as well.

1235
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 1: Whenever you heard of that beautiful Can I tell you

1236
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 1: a thing that I'm worried about that someone told me,

1237
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 1: someone told me I want to get back with crocodile.

1238
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: But just what you just mentioned that like clawless arter,

1239
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: someone told me that when you go to Africa for

1240
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 1: the first time, hm uh, you're so like overwhelmed and

1241
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 1: exhausted from the mental processing overwhelm that did it that

1242
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 1: you lose it, that you lose that, like you lose

1243
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 1: everything that's in the moment because you're so like tripped out.

1244
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 1: I could see that and the like only later when

1245
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 1: I got home, was I like able to kind of yeah,

1246
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 1: because like I was just overwhelmed. Yeah, it will be

1247
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 1: nice because you'll be documenting it, so you'll be able

1248
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 1: to revisit a lot of that, which is cool. But

1249
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: I think I can see that. I mean I can

1250
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 1: see there's certainly times even me, just the the wonder

1251
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 1: of it all, you know, just gets you.

1252
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 4: I Mean how big I would say, roughly the size

1253
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 4: of our kind of you know, the North American Yeah, yeah,

1254
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 4: about that size. Back to this crocodile. So yeah, so

1255
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 4: we found out about him the way we typically hunt crocodile,

1256
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 4: you can you can certainly have like sort of incidentally,

1257
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 4: like you'll be driving along the river or walking along

1258
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 4: the river and you'll see a sandbar or like a

1259
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 4: termite mound or something close to the river where they'll

1260
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 4: have slid up on and be kind of sunning themselves.

1261
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 4: And then you can kind of make a stalk and

1262
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 4: try and position yourself for a shot like that. A

1263
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:00,919
Speaker 4: lot of times will will put bait. So we'll drive

1264
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 4: some kind of heavy steaks into the river bank if

1265
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 4: there's not a tree or a rock or something to

1266
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 4: anchor to, and put some some stinking meat there to

1267
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 4: draw them in. The big advantage of that is you

1268
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 4: can really control where you put it, because the problem

1269
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 4: with a crocodile unless you make the perfect shot that

1270
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 4: destroys its central nervous system, like instantly, one flick of

1271
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 4: that tail, if that gets them back into the main

1272
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 4: stem of the river where there's flow, and these rivers,

1273
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 4: you know, the Ugala River has significant flow. It's gone,

1274
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 4: he's gone never you'll never find it.

1275
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:37,919
Speaker 1: So you hit them in the brain, right in the brain.

1276
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, you try to sort of that we call it

1277
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 4: like the smile where they're kind of there, you know,

1278
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 4: their their jawline kind of goes like this, just above

1279
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 4: that and kind of between this little little horn on

1280
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 4: their head. You sort of try to shoot them there

1281
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 4: and it kind of if you do it correctly, it

1282
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 4: really pops their skull open. I mean it's quite it's

1283
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 4: a bit you know, it's quite visceral. But then you

1284
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 4: know they'll flick around a little bit, but they won't

1285
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 4: with their cash. They're done, Yeah, they're done. And then

1286
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 4: whereas you know, there are times when you can if

1287
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 4: you miss that shot, you know, like a next shot

1288
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 4: something like that, where you fail to sever the spine,

1289
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 4: or you you know, you hit them somewhere else, they're

1290
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 4: going to just flick right back into that deep water

1291
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 4: and you'll never find them even if they die, just

1292
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 4: get swept away.

1293
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 1: So when you bait them, are you trying to get

1294
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: him the moment he finds it, or is he going

1295
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 1: to start hitting the bait.

1296
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 4: He'll start hitting the bait, So you need to have

1297
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 4: a good look at him. I mean, you know, there's

1298
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 4: there's two ways, you know, and you've got a big

1299
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 4: crop coming. I mean one, you know, just the sort

1300
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 4: of size and scale of it, you can I find

1301
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 4: it very hard to judge them through binoculars. I've got

1302
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 4: to kind of look with my eyes. So you don't

1303
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 4: want to be too far away for that reason. Also,

1304
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 4: you know you're shot, you know you've got to you've

1305
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 4: got to put it in a little slot like that

1306
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 4: sort of three inch by three inch, so top of

1307
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 4: a single serving yogurt contander. Yeah, exactly, that's kind of

1308
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 4: what we're talking about. So you've got to be you

1309
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 4: want to be closer for that. But aside from that,

1310
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 4: you know when oftentimes you'll put these baits and you'll

1311
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 4: get a lot of small crocs on them. You know,

1312
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 4: there'll be five, six, seven, sometimes ten, like anywhere from

1313
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 4: six footers, eight footers down to three four footers kind

1314
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 4: of splashing around making a lot of noise, tearing this

1315
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 4: beta part. But when the big boys coming, like they

1316
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 4: can they can sense it, whether they make vibrations or

1317
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 4: vocalizations in the water something like that, these crocs split

1318
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 4: the little ones, will one big man evaporate, Yeah, and

1319
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 4: then you'll see this sort of head come up. They

1320
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 4: have like this big it's like a tennis ball on

1321
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:36,919
Speaker 4: the end of their nose. And then you know, you'll

1322
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 4: you'll usually let them sort of get comfortable drag themselves

1323
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 4: out of Ideally you have the bait where they have

1324
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 4: to sort of drag themselves out of the water a

1325
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 4: little bit to kind of expose that shot. Yeah, but

1326
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 4: that's impressive and.

1327
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 1: Those water ways, is it inadvisable just to be down

1328
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 1: weighing around on the edge.

1329
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 4: I you can, you can do it. I mean there's

1330
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 4: area is like it just depends on how the water looks. Right,

1331
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 4: if you've got sort of a bit of a shallow flat,

1332
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 4: you could you can splash around there.

1333
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 1: No, he's not there.

1334
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know you'd see him coming. You know, you'd

1335
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 4: have to make a wake. But like if there was

1336
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 4: a big pool, I wouldn't I wouldn't go near it.

1337
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 4: He could be just waiting, waiting there in ambush. You'd

1338
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 4: have a hard time seeing him. You won't know till

1339
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 4: he's got a hold of you and they move like lightning.

1340
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 9: To what what do you shooting those things with?

1341
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:31,680
Speaker 4: Like what rifle you well, whichever one you shoot the best? Scope? Yeah,

1342
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 4: scope rifles ideal, Yeah, whatever you shoot, I mean typically

1343
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 4: will sometimes when you're sneaking up on them. You know,

1344
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 4: you'll you'll be following buffalo buffalo tracks by the river

1345
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 4: and it's okay, there's a massive croc on that sandbar

1346
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 4: and the guy's got his four sixteen. That's what you're

1347
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 4: shooting it with. Gotcha in an ideal world like where

1348
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 4: I had all the time in the world to set

1349
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 4: it up kind of build my blind, get everything staged.

1350
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 3: You know, six.

1351
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 4: Does the job again with that shot, You're not you're

1352
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 4: not trying to kind of achieve penetration. You're just trying

1353
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 4: to pop that brain open.

1354
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:10,759
Speaker 1: Talk about sharp pleaseman, not to keep buffalo.

1355
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 4: I'm I am a firm proponent of the shoulder shot.

1356
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 4: So kind of come up that leg about a third

1357
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 4: of the sort of you know, third of the way

1358
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,560
Speaker 4: up the body from the belly line, and put it

1359
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:26,560
Speaker 4: right on the shoulder there in the like on the

1360
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 4: shot on the bone, not behind the shoulder, on the bone,

1361
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:33,719
Speaker 4: break that shoulder. Because and this is something that that's changed,

1362
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:36,639
Speaker 4: there will be some of the old school guys will

1363
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 4: very much disagree with me, and I will would argue

1364
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 4: that their thinking is rooted in a different era where

1365
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 4: high quality bullets weren't available. There was just a lot

1366
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 4: of junk, and so one would always try to shoot

1367
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 4: behind the shoulder to make sure that you got adequate penetration. Now,

1368
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 4: if you're shooting something along the lines of a Barn's

1369
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 4: TSX swift a frame that type stuff, it'll more than

1370
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 4: adequately penetrate that shoulder bone and then you break them down.

1371
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:08,560
Speaker 4: They don't go as far. You know, it's it's a

1372
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 4: lot of trauma. A busted shoulder is really going to

1373
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 4: slow them down, hitting them right and the shoulder right

1374
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 4: in the shoulder, everything below the scapula or below the scapula, yeah,

1375
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 4: sort of somewhere near that joint, you know, somewhere where

1376
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:22,680
Speaker 4: that scapula kind of joins on to the to the

1377
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 4: other bone there. Let's say he's cording away from you,

1378
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 4: cording away from you, you're gonna so what I like

1379
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 4: to talk about, I like say, imagine you have X

1380
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 4: ray vision, and so if you can't break the on

1381
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 4: side shoulder, shoot the off side shoulder. Well, if he's

1382
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 4: come with dead nuts, dead on. It depends on how

1383
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 4: he's holding his head. But when they typically sort of

1384
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 4: if they're a little bit curious, you know, they won't

1385
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 4: you know, they're sort of they've seen something, they'll kind

1386
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 4: of hold their head in a fairly I would say,

1387
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 4: fairly neutral position. It's not too up, it's not too down.

1388
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:56,639
Speaker 4: Unless sometimes if they're they'll you know, they'll be laying

1389
01:10:57,479 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 4: under some vegetation kind of in the shade, and they'll

1390
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:01,720
Speaker 4: still and up and to see you, they'll have to

1391
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 4: sort of dip their head to see under the vegetation.

1392
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 4: In that instance, it can be tough, but typically I

1393
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 4: sort of just go right below the chin kind of

1394
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 4: into you're trying to get it into this kind of

1395
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 4: clavigal gas, and that's not inadvisable. It's not my favorite,

1396
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 4: but sometimes if it's that or nothing right, like if

1397
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 4: it's if you've got to make that shot. But I'll

1398
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:22,679
Speaker 4: tell you one thing about that shot. When it's done properly,

1399
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 4: it like it really rocks their world. So if they

1400
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 4: don't react to how I want, like how I would

1401
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:33,240
Speaker 4: expect them to, that'll be a time where I'd consider

1402
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 4: backing up, because what can happen with that shot. If

1403
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 4: it's off. It'll kind of hit the sternum, which on

1404
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 4: those things is sort of like a you know, a

1405
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 4: very V shaped and obviously extremely robust piece of bone

1406
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 4: with a lot of sort of sagging skin hanging on it.

1407
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:51,640
Speaker 4: And what that can do. The sagging skin will kind

1408
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 4: of set up the bullets so it really mushrooms quicker

1409
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:57,719
Speaker 4: than it would on a sort of a torte like flank,

1410
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,640
Speaker 4: and then it will hit that stern and kind of

1411
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:03,679
Speaker 4: go along sort of track along the sternam and wind

1412
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 4: up kind of in the arm pit, if you know

1413
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 4: what I mean, having done no damage to the vitals,

1414
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 4: you'll get some blood. You follow that thing forever and

1415
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 4: it's it's it's a bad deal. So I don't. I

1416
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 4: don't love the frontal shot, but I don't. It's not

1417
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:21,640
Speaker 4: off the table. It's not like we never do that.

1418
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 4: It's something that sometimes you've got to make it happen.

1419
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:24,720
Speaker 1: M hm.

1420
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:28,639
Speaker 4: And no Texas heart shots on a follow up shot, yes,

1421
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 4: Like as a first shot, absolutely not. But as as

1422
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 4: a follow up the Portuguese brain shot, I've never heard.

1423
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 1: Imagine it's running away.

1424
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 6: That's why it's important to travel people from other cultures.

1425
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 1: So because you learn about short placement.

1426
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 4: What's better on that follow up? Though? If they do

1427
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:03,680
Speaker 4: spin and turn away, then your classic Texas Hartscher is

1428
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 4: trying to break that hip is so on.

1429
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 1: A follow up like, once you make your first careful shot,

1430
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 1: is any shot good?

1431
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 4: Give it to itt is good? Yeah, you didn't come

1432
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 4: all the way. So, like to your previous point about

1433
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 4: those other guys with like two shots on a on

1434
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:21,640
Speaker 4: a bison was considered good, I don't. I don't have

1435
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 4: any the more the merrier God, if it's still on

1436
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:30,600
Speaker 4: its feet, keep shooting. And then also for you know,

1437
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,720
Speaker 4: reasons like those guys experience where it's as I said,

1438
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 4: the dead ones will kill you will oftentimes go up

1439
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:39,680
Speaker 4: even if it's looking thoroughly deceased. Put another one in

1440
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:40,559
Speaker 4: there as insurance.

1441
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 1: And then is there any situation where you ever tell

1442
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:47,720
Speaker 1: a client, like on the the animal's fine, so it's

1443
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 1: not wounded. Were you're were you're shooting in the head,

1444
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 1: shooting it in the head.

1445
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 4: I have had situations like that before. It's extremely close,

1446
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 4: you know, you just for what a reason? Again, mostly

1447
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 4: in that montane forest, one kind of stands up and

1448
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:06,639
Speaker 4: all you can see is the head kind of above

1449
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:11,599
Speaker 4: the vegetation, and it's like, yeah, you know, you're gonna

1450
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 4: have to go for a headshot here. If you can

1451
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 4: do it, if you feel comfortable, go for it. And again,

1452
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 4: if you get it right, it's gonna have an instant result.

1453
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 4: Otherwise I'm gonna have to back you up.

1454
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't realize is standard And this doesn't

1455
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 1: bother me, but it's standard that when you wound an animal,

1456
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 1: that's that's it, that's your like effectively, you tag the

1457
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 1: animal if you want to get away. And there are

1458
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 1: units in there's a bear unit Alaska for instance, like

1459
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 1: if you touch it, right, if you touch the bear

1460
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:51,880
Speaker 1: and don't find it, it's still regarded as that was

1461
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:56,840
Speaker 1: your tag. And and after like that's absolutely you take

1462
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 1: a bad shot or get a bad hit, that's your

1463
01:14:59,240 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 1: You scratched your.

1464
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, that's it. That one's off your license

1465
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:05,960
Speaker 4: and we write it down as wounded lost. Very sad,

1466
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 4: sad thing to have to do, so a lot of

1467
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 4: a lot of things, yeah, is to mitigate that. Be cautious, man,

1468
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:16,799
Speaker 4: Be cautious. Yeah, if the shot doesn't if it doesn't

1469
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:19,600
Speaker 4: feel right. And again, the beautiful thing about Africa and

1470
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:22,560
Speaker 4: especially where we're going, you know these premium areas like

1471
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 4: in Tanzania, it's not like you like, oh that was

1472
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:29,680
Speaker 4: your buffalo. You know, we saw one for the for

1473
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 4: the two week trip and you you fluffed it. It's like, no,

1474
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 4: we'll get another chance. This one runs off, We'll find

1475
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:37,679
Speaker 4: another one. There's more, there's plenty.

1476
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:39,600
Speaker 1: Do you guys use the term dagger boys? Can you

1477
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 1: explain it to me?

1478
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 4: Yes, we do, we do use that term. Say it again,

1479
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:49,720
Speaker 4: dug a boy dugger, so it's a boy. So the

1480
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 4: term dugger is it's a Southern African term. It's a

1481
01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 4: it's a Southern African well, it's a bastardization of a

1482
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 4: of a word in one of the Southern African kind

1483
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:06,640
Speaker 4: of Bantu languages, which it refers to mud and the

1484
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 4: reason boys and so the old bull buffalo that are

1485
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 4: in their kind of bachelor phase or then in a

1486
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:17,640
Speaker 4: permanent bachelor phases sometimes is the case, will spend they

1487
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 4: like to wallow. They spend a good you know, cape

1488
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 4: buffalo or a wallowing animal. They enjoy it. They like

1489
01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 4: to It helps them keep biting flies away, it keeps

1490
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 4: their skin healthy. So they they're wallowers. They love it.

1491
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:34,120
Speaker 4: And oftentimes you'll see those old bulls will spend a

1492
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 4: good amount of time wallowing and they'll be really crusted

1493
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:39,800
Speaker 4: with mud. God, So that's where that's the origin of

1494
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 4: the term. It's the mud boys. Yeah, it's one of

1495
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 4: those terms like safari, which like is very much a

1496
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 4: Swahili term. It's become kind of ubiquitous throughout the continent.

1497
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 4: Dug a boy will be used to describe an old

1498
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 4: bull buffalo kind of wherever you.

1499
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 1: Go and your plan, Like we talked about this before,

1500
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 1: but your plan is you guys don't get on the

1501
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:04,679
Speaker 1: big or herds generally looking for like male little squads one, two, three, four, whatever,

1502
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 1: yea little bachelor.

1503
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 4: Gang, bachelor balls. Yeah, that's the ideal. I mean, we'll

1504
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:12,800
Speaker 4: definitely we'll follow some herds and we'll get up on

1505
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 4: them for the experience of that, particularly early on in

1506
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 4: the hunt. And there are times where, particularly in Luganzo

1507
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:21,600
Speaker 4: because it has it has a big river and a

1508
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 4: big lake. So what I find happens there more so

1509
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:27,720
Speaker 4: than other areas I've seen, is that a lot of

1510
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:31,559
Speaker 4: buffalo will kind of congregate there, bachelor balls and herds

1511
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 4: will kind of be gravitating towards the same areas to

1512
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,680
Speaker 4: drink and kind of feed on that on that floodplain.

1513
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 4: Not together, but they're not together, but they're drawn to

1514
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:42,639
Speaker 4: the same area and they'll kind of often like leave together,

1515
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 4: so they'll kind of mingle. So you know, I have

1516
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 4: found more, again, more consistently than other places I've hunted,

1517
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 4: in Luganzo, you'll find like a really old buffalo or

1518
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:56,640
Speaker 4: a couple of really old buffaloes with a herd. But

1519
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 4: it's a sort of loose casual association and they'll break

1520
01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:03,040
Speaker 4: off of and sort of peel off eventually. So we'll

1521
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 4: spend some time mixing it up with herds for the experience.

1522
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:08,880
Speaker 4: And again, like, part of what I like to do

1523
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:12,520
Speaker 4: is give you that opportunity to really feel that species

1524
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 4: versus kind of just looking at the back of my

1525
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 4: shirt for however many days, and then I put the

1526
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 4: sticks up and say that's the one, Like, we'll really

1527
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 4: try to get in amongst them and sort of see

1528
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:25,080
Speaker 4: how that, you know, just feel it, just enjoy their

1529
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 4: presence and kind of get a sense of the species.

1530
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:32,320
Speaker 4: But yeah, the one I want to shoot, I'm almost

1531
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 4: guaranteeing will be in a bachelor herd.

1532
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:37,040
Speaker 1: And how do you know a shooter one you see like,

1533
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 1: what do you see where you're like, that is a shooter.

1534
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:43,720
Speaker 4: Hard boss. So the way the buffalo's horns grow, you've

1535
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:48,799
Speaker 4: got obviously that kind of bone core with the horn,

1536
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:51,800
Speaker 4: like the keratin sheath on the outside, and in a

1537
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:54,680
Speaker 4: mature ball, it kind of grows from the outside in

1538
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:57,160
Speaker 4: so on a young ball, and then you'll see this

1539
01:18:57,720 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 4: very clearly when you're looking at them through your binoculars,

1540
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 4: the kind of what we call the boss, which is

1541
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 4: where the horns kind of come together over the top

1542
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 4: of their head, over that kind of honeycombed bone that

1543
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 4: protects their brain. It'll be it'll be still sort of

1544
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:15,360
Speaker 4: vascular and soft and pulpy, even like a little bit

1545
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 4: of hair growing out of it. On a young bull,

1546
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:22,840
Speaker 4: a fully mature bull that will have completely hardened into horn,

1547
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 4: and there may be a strip of hair or a

1548
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:28,040
Speaker 4: strip of kind of flesh, you know, skin, down through

1549
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 4: the middle of the horns. Not all of them fully

1550
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 4: meet in the middle. Some do, some don't. That's not

1551
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:36,040
Speaker 4: a like a determining factor of age or anything like that.

1552
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 4: It's just like a genetic thing.

1553
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 1: Some do, some don't.

1554
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 4: But yeah, we want a fully mature, hard bossed bull

1555
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 4: that's that's worn down ideally some of its horn, and yeah,

1556
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:51,799
Speaker 4: it is just that right one to take and tip depends.

1557
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:55,960
Speaker 4: The best one I shot last year was forty two

1558
01:19:56,000 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 4: inches sort of from whitest point to whitest point. But

1559
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 4: I've seen I've seen them there. I was. I had

1560
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 4: a client last year that was a bow hunter and

1561
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 4: we didn't manage to get on this buffalo, but we

1562
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 4: we put a stalk on one that I would have

1563
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:14,760
Speaker 4: conservatively put it like forty four.

1564
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:15,639
Speaker 1: He's still around.

1565
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:18,160
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you know where we got it? A general

1566
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 4: idea vicinity here in this, Randall, we'll give it a crack.

1567
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:23,680
Speaker 4: Sty Is this what's this doing for you?

1568
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 1: Randall?

1569
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 3: Oh?

1570
01:20:25,479 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 1: What's all it's doing for you?

1571
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 6: I mean I've always had the I've always been really

1572
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 6: curious about Africa. I think just for the sense of

1573
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 6: like wonder like you described, just like the smell and

1574
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 6: the soil and the plants and just seeing animals. But yeah,

1575
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:45,840
Speaker 6: I'm getting I guess what it's doing for it's it's

1576
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:47,720
Speaker 6: inspiring quite a bit of jealousy in me.

1577
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:52,639
Speaker 4: And the reason it is. Yeah, yeah, reasonable position to take.

1578
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:53,759
Speaker 1: So you're interested?

1579
01:20:54,120 --> 01:21:00,599
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, we almost. We're at the Tanna Wilde

1580
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 6: cheap banquet. We got a little we're overserved and almost

1581
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:08,040
Speaker 6: went in on a safari with her with our friends.

1582
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 4: Where was it the.

1583
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:12,599
Speaker 5: One in Bozeman? Oh, the safari?

1584
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:14,799
Speaker 4: I have no idea.

1585
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:17,560
Speaker 1: You were bit you were almost bidding on it. We

1586
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 1: did bid on it? What country?

1587
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:22,760
Speaker 4: It doesn't know? That's not a good style.

1588
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:25,600
Speaker 6: Well, well we The first text message I saw my

1589
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 6: phone the next morning was I'm glad we didn't wake

1590
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 6: up as the owners of a safari got it. Yeah,

1591
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 6: but it's it's always, it's always something that's kind of like,

1592
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 6: you know, you got a couple of little voices in

1593
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:38,560
Speaker 6: the back of your head about things that you like

1594
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 6: to do someday and yeah, I definitely have the itch

1595
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:42,800
Speaker 6: on it.

1596
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 2: Next time.

1597
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 4: Well, let's talk about send me the details, shoot me

1598
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 4: a text, give you the give you the inside scoop,

1599
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:55,960
Speaker 4: whether it's going to be something new moregan.

1600
01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:58,080
Speaker 1: I hope you can reply quickly because I'm in the

1601
01:21:58,120 --> 01:21:58,439
Speaker 1: middle of.

1602
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:00,600
Speaker 4: In the middle of.

1603
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 2: Is it worth it?

1604
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:05,719
Speaker 1: That's want of the fact check a couple.

1605
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:07,560
Speaker 4: Of things, set a couple of guardrails for you.

1606
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1607
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 6: No, I mean I think, like especially just the history

1608
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:16,479
Speaker 6: and sort of the the place of African hunting within

1609
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:21,519
Speaker 6: are larger hunting traditions like globally, I think it's it's

1610
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 6: something I'd definitely like to experience and understand better.

1611
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:27,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm dying to go check it out. And like

1612
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 1: with me though, the thing is, of course you can

1613
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 1: just go check it out, but I need I need more.

1614
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:37,720
Speaker 3: I need like like the.

1615
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:40,720
Speaker 1: Immersive, like like the I need to get in there,

1616
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:40,920
Speaker 1: you know.

1617
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:43,800
Speaker 4: The immersion is the thing. The totality of it, like

1618
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 4: the history, the the flora, the fauna, the culture, the people.

1619
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 4: That's what makes African hunting I think unique, aside from

1620
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:55,000
Speaker 4: the species and the conduct of the whole hunt, right,

1621
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:57,200
Speaker 4: all that's a separate thing. But if you just think

1622
01:22:57,240 --> 01:22:59,720
Speaker 4: about like the appeal of it, why it kind of

1623
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:03,640
Speaker 4: it's people so much, it's just the Yeah, the totality

1624
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:05,839
Speaker 4: of it, all that kind of history and culture.

1625
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 9: I think we will make it.

1626
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:11,759
Speaker 8: Get to highlight the difference between the differences between hunting

1627
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:16,080
Speaker 8: across certain countries in Africa, and that like the experience

1628
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:21,599
Speaker 8: in Tanzania, I anticipate would be very will be very

1629
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:23,560
Speaker 8: different than for example.

1630
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 1: Uh where, Yeah, in South Africa.

1631
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 4: Actually that's a fair yeah, for sure, I think so.

1632
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:38,639
Speaker 4: I think East Africa has that that reputation, and certainly

1633
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 4: I don't want to take anything away from like there's

1634
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 4: some amazing hunting that happens in Southern Africa, Central Africa, French,

1635
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:48,440
Speaker 4: you know, Francophone West Africa. There's some incredible hunting experiences

1636
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 4: that can be had kind of across the continent. But

1637
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 4: I think East Africa kind of holds a certain place

1638
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 4: in people's imaginations because of Yeah, because of that history,

1639
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 4: and because of the kind of like the way that

1640
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 4: it was the birthplace of a lot of the kind

1641
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:12,360
Speaker 4: of conservation ideals and hunting ethics ideals and and sort of. Yeah,

1642
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 4: I think this it's just what it's where your brain

1643
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 4: goes when you think of Safari.

1644
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 1: I got last question for you. But how are we doing?

1645
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:20,559
Speaker 4: Phil?

1646
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 1: Phil's real worried about getting out of here.

1647
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:23,519
Speaker 9: We got ten minutes. We're good.

1648
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 4: Okay, you got ten minutes to answer to this question.

1649
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 4: Lay it on me.

1650
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 1: Let's say I'm over in Europe and some guys like,

1651
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:37,560
Speaker 1: I'm going deer hunting in America. I'm going No, not that,

1652
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 1: I'm going deer hunting in North America. First thing on

1653
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 1: my mind is, well, that could mean any number of things. Sure, yeah,

1654
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:49,599
Speaker 1: are you hunting in South Florida?

1655
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:50,160
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1656
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 1: Are you hunting in northern Alberta?

1657
01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 4: Like?

1658
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 1: What do you mean?

1659
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 4: So?

1660
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:59,160
Speaker 1: How different are like? You know what I mean? You're

1661
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:01,800
Speaker 1: going hunting and f Yeah, it's a big ass place,

1662
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 1: big ass place. How different is it all? Do you

1663
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Very?

1664
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:07,200
Speaker 4: Very does it is?

1665
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:10,439
Speaker 1: What it seems different to someone there is? It would

1666
01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 1: seemed to be from Florida to albert.

1667
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:16,040
Speaker 4: If I would have that exact same reaction if I

1668
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:18,200
Speaker 4: if I met someone here in an airport bar and

1669
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:19,840
Speaker 4: they're like, I'm on the way to Africa to go

1670
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 4: on safari, you know, hunting safaria, I'd be like, where

1671
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:25,680
Speaker 4: are you going and what you know? And i'd have

1672
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:30,320
Speaker 4: something you've told me ideas yea, but yeah, you've precisely

1673
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:32,840
Speaker 4: you told me nothing. I mean it just I think

1674
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:35,560
Speaker 4: if I, if I kind of boil it down to

1675
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:38,960
Speaker 4: like why Tanzania is different and where we're going is different,

1676
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 4: is what sort of sets us apart? Is that free range,

1677
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:46,479
Speaker 4: those big vast areas. There's no fences that drew me

1678
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:51,280
Speaker 4: a big, huge country expanse of it, you know, and

1679
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 4: Iget I think we talked about it. This is on

1680
01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 4: the last podcast. Tanzania has got roughly thirty percent of

1681
01:25:56,479 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 4: its land mass set aside as wilderness of some sort.

1682
01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 3: You know.

1683
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:03,400
Speaker 4: Some of it's got some some you know, grazing and

1684
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:07,760
Speaker 4: seasonal agricultural activities. Others other parts of it, like where

1685
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:10,800
Speaker 4: we're going in Luganzo is just pure wilderness. But it's

1686
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:15,640
Speaker 4: it's a it's a massive amount by by modern standards.

1687
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:19,519
Speaker 4: It's a massive, massive amount of wilderness there, and to

1688
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:22,559
Speaker 4: be able to hunt those species in an unfenced environment

1689
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:26,840
Speaker 4: where they're not a reintroduced animal you know there, or

1690
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 4: or purely introduced animal there that's ancestral stock. That's as

1691
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 4: wild as they get. You know that book I was

1692
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 4: being slightly critical of, Yeah, Thunder without Ring. I was

1693
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 4: being a little too harsh on't it. Yeah, because you

1694
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:44,280
Speaker 4: know what it did explain is one that cattle disease came,

1695
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:45,240
Speaker 4: a render pest.

1696
01:26:45,479 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 1: Render past came and then jumped into the Cape Buffalon

1697
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 1: just decimated the calor.

1698
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:52,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, crushed them. Yeah.

1699
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 1: Early. He spends a lot of time on render past. Yeah,

1700
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:59,839
Speaker 1: and the famine that emerged from first the famine of people.

1701
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:02,599
Speaker 4: That were herders the cattle got flattened.

1702
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:06,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then also the famine that extended to other

1703
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:09,599
Speaker 1: people that had been hunters and just wiped them out. Yeah.

1704
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:14,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's more than hunting. Oh yeah, renderpest massive for sure.

1705
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:18,800
Speaker 4: Of all the things you know that set back game,

1706
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 4: it's I mean even I don't think render pest. I

1707
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:25,640
Speaker 4: think renderpest is one of two diseases that humanity is

1708
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 4: successfully eliminated altogether, like completely, we're free of it. And

1709
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:34,880
Speaker 4: so it's that in smallpox. Render pest, I think right

1710
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 4: up until the fifties was like an issue in East Africa.

1711
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:40,599
Speaker 1: But it's a great name for a disease.

1712
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:43,400
Speaker 4: It is, yeah from German, Yeah, cattle disease, and so

1713
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 4: it when it first came in, I think it's almost

1714
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 4: one hundred percent like fatal in you know, species that

1715
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:55,880
Speaker 4: are naive as far as being inoculated to it. But

1716
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 4: over time obviously that you know, you gain natural immunity.

1717
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 4: And then there was efforts made by the veternary departments

1718
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 4: in what at those times were colonies to to kind

1719
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:08,839
Speaker 4: of mitigate it. But yeah, it hammered the population of Buffalo.

1720
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:12,400
Speaker 4: But what the also interesting thing that you can kind

1721
01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:16,599
Speaker 4: of glean from the renderpest epidemic is that those animals

1722
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:21,280
Speaker 4: came back, you know, in vast numbers because the habitat

1723
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 4: was intact. And that's the that's the difference. You know,

1724
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:27,280
Speaker 4: if you have these sort of massive wipeouts of species,

1725
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 4: it's something that's happened throughout you know, history as a

1726
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 4: result of climate or whatever. If the habitats intact, there's

1727
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:37,479
Speaker 4: a there's an option. There's a possibility for them to

1728
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:39,640
Speaker 4: come back as long as you've got some kind of

1729
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:44,599
Speaker 4: genetic reservoir. But if you destroy the habitat, you're done.

1730
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 4: So as remarkable how robust and resilient these species are

1731
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:50,919
Speaker 4: in the face of things like render pest.

1732
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:55,840
Speaker 1: If the habitat's there. Here's my actual last question. What's

1733
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:58,720
Speaker 1: a big group? What's a big group to run into? Oh,

1734
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 1: kate buffalo. It depends very much on the area. In Luganzo,

1735
01:29:03,479 --> 01:29:07,640
Speaker 1: I would say a big herd would be sixty to

1736
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 1: eighty just because of the terrain and kind of like

1737
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 1: and yeah, the environment, the lion population. But there are

1738
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:22,839
Speaker 1: certain areas, like you know in Mozambique, even southern Tanzania.

1739
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:26,080
Speaker 1: I've seen some really massive herds. But you know where

1740
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:28,559
Speaker 1: you get like big sort of floodplain areas where there'll

1741
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 1: be hundreds and them out there. Now, well, we're not

1742
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:32,679
Speaker 1: knocking around, are we going to run in the allons?

1743
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:36,479
Speaker 4: Almost certainly, yeah, almost certainly. They're there all the time.

1744
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:39,400
Speaker 1: Sickly, he'll be sick.

1745
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:43,439
Speaker 7: I don't what's it like like grizzly bears here, We

1746
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:45,200
Speaker 7: got to watch out for him if you run into them.

1747
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:49,240
Speaker 4: Generally speaking, No, Sometimes they'll put on a little bit

1748
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:51,759
Speaker 4: of a bit of a performance, but generally these ones,

1749
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:56,080
Speaker 4: they'll they'll sort of slink off. You know, if they've

1750
01:29:56,120 --> 01:29:58,120
Speaker 4: got to kill nearby, they might be a little more

1751
01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:00,479
Speaker 4: reluctant to leave and they'll kind of like, you know,

1752
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:04,519
Speaker 4: they'll posture a little bit, but you're you're very unlikely

1753
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:06,800
Speaker 4: to have an issue with them. And just in that

1754
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:10,879
Speaker 4: context of like bumping into them somewhere. What about snakes,

1755
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:15,439
Speaker 4: I would be surprised. We may see them, but more

1756
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:19,479
Speaker 4: more often than not, like I would say, in all

1757
01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:22,920
Speaker 4: my time in Africa, eighty five percent or more of

1758
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 4: the snakes I've seen have been like on the road

1759
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:28,080
Speaker 4: sunning themselves. When and you sort of drive by and

1760
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:29,120
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, there's cobra.

1761
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:31,120
Speaker 1: Do you guys got that one where you're supposed to

1762
01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:32,320
Speaker 1: just lean against a tree and die.

1763
01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:35,200
Speaker 4: Because yeah, yeah, yeah, black mumber, Yeah for sure.

1764
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:35,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure.

1765
01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:38,719
Speaker 4: You run into those often, yeah, not often, not often,

1766
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:39,559
Speaker 4: it's uncommon, but.

1767
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:42,439
Speaker 1: It's so bad. The best thing you can do is

1768
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:44,720
Speaker 1: lean against the tree. You ain't gonna live.

1769
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:48,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, true, with that, So it is so yes, and no,

1770
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:51,320
Speaker 4: so they have I'll tell you just lean against the tree.

1771
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:55,680
Speaker 4: I'll tell you two stories about black mumbers, which and

1772
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:57,760
Speaker 4: we can kind of we can leave it at that,

1773
01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:01,760
Speaker 4: but it's uncommon to see them. And again usually it's

1774
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:03,760
Speaker 4: that same thing. You'll see them from the car. They'll

1775
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:05,240
Speaker 4: kind of be beside the road.

1776
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:06,840
Speaker 1: And do you pass through them when you see.

1777
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:10,120
Speaker 4: Them, No, we typically leave them alone. One time I

1778
01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:12,960
Speaker 4: was in the Salu. I was in southern Tanzania and

1779
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:15,920
Speaker 4: I was were following Buffalo with a client and there

1780
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:18,479
Speaker 4: was kind of little depression, like this little valley that

1781
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:20,519
Speaker 4: had tall grass in it, you know, seven eight foot

1782
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 4: tall grass, and we, based on the freshness of the

1783
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:27,080
Speaker 4: buffalo tracks that we were following, were kind of the

1784
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:29,000
Speaker 4: trackers and I had a little conference and sort of

1785
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:32,160
Speaker 4: determined that they likely weren't in that tall grass like

1786
01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:34,639
Speaker 4: they'd passed it wasn't that big of an area. They'd

1787
01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:36,680
Speaker 4: kind of passed through it and gone and beedded down

1788
01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:39,360
Speaker 4: somewhere in the meombo like in the woodland. So we

1789
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:41,320
Speaker 4: were pretty confident in being able to just sort of

1790
01:31:41,360 --> 01:31:44,920
Speaker 4: pass through it. So we're pretty casually like going through

1791
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:47,600
Speaker 4: this tall grass, sort of following these trails at the

1792
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 4: Buffalo and elephants and other stuff had made through there,

1793
01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:55,599
Speaker 4: and yeah, I'm just sort of fairly not totally asleep

1794
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:58,160
Speaker 4: at the wheel, but sort of just you know, going along.

1795
01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:01,160
Speaker 4: And next thing, like the two trackers kind of they

1796
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:03,400
Speaker 4: went around a little sort of corner and the grass

1797
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:05,360
Speaker 4: in front of me to where I couldn't fully see them.

1798
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:08,479
Speaker 4: Next thing, they both just sort of like evaporate, just

1799
01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:11,840
Speaker 4: like gone. They just like flew past me like not

1800
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:15,760
Speaker 4: a word said, just like disappeared. And I'm like, oh, no,

1801
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:17,760
Speaker 4: the buffalo are in here. So I sort of pick

1802
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:20,760
Speaker 4: up my rifle safety off. But normally with buffalo in

1803
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:22,680
Speaker 4: that kind of context, like it'd be a cow with

1804
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:24,840
Speaker 4: a calf or something, and you'd hear them like they're

1805
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:27,720
Speaker 4: gonna they a lot of times, they'll vocalize, you'd hear

1806
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:31,880
Speaker 4: them crashing around. It was like silent. A couple seconds later,

1807
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:35,600
Speaker 4: this black mumber sort of reared up to like just

1808
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:38,320
Speaker 4: below my eye level, kind of comes around the corner

1809
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:41,160
Speaker 4: and the grass. Yeah, I mean this thing was thick.

1810
01:32:41,200 --> 01:32:43,640
Speaker 4: It was sort of probably like diameter, I don't know,

1811
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:45,760
Speaker 4: like four or five inches, So it was like a

1812
01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 4: thick snake, big snake. I couldn't see the full length

1813
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:51,240
Speaker 4: of it. But it was really reared up. And they do.

1814
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:54,360
Speaker 4: They really rear up, which is why they so deadly,

1815
01:32:54,439 --> 01:32:56,599
Speaker 4: because they'll strike you in areas that you can't put

1816
01:32:56,680 --> 01:33:01,160
Speaker 4: like a tornicuit, like you'll be So I just pulled

1817
01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:03,640
Speaker 4: my front trigger and I still can't tell you to

1818
01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:05,479
Speaker 4: this day whether I hit that thing or not, but

1819
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:09,000
Speaker 4: I'm sure the muzzle blast from like that that distance

1820
01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:11,960
Speaker 4: rattled its cage and I just turned around, grabbed the client,

1821
01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:13,479
Speaker 4: just ran, just got out of there.

1822
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:15,880
Speaker 1: Because they'll come out. Yeah, they will.

1823
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:18,360
Speaker 4: I mean they do. What the guys said later was

1824
01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:20,960
Speaker 4: he was like just curled up on the trail and

1825
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:23,640
Speaker 4: when they kind of like got up on him, like

1826
01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:25,960
Speaker 4: he sort of got agitated, right, like he felt like

1827
01:33:26,040 --> 01:33:28,600
Speaker 4: he was being accosted, and he sort of reared up

1828
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:31,599
Speaker 4: and and sort of like sort of came towards them.

1829
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:34,080
Speaker 4: And then he was probably just more or less curious

1830
01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:36,120
Speaker 4: as to what had happened and kind of came around

1831
01:33:36,160 --> 01:33:40,360
Speaker 4: that corner and got a face full of nitro express

1832
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:44,240
Speaker 4: Let's see you man. But I also heard a story

1833
01:33:44,479 --> 01:33:50,920
Speaker 4: about it. I also heard a story about a young

1834
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:53,599
Speaker 4: Massi boy that was bitten by one in mass island

1835
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:56,840
Speaker 4: and there's this wonderful place not far from a RuSHA

1836
01:33:56,880 --> 01:34:00,840
Speaker 4: called Messerani Snake Park. Will actually drive by it where

1837
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:03,120
Speaker 4: they have they have a bunch of snakes. Yeah, it

1838
01:34:03,439 --> 01:34:05,439
Speaker 4: sounds grid, but it's really cool. They have a bunch

1839
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:07,760
Speaker 4: of snakes and they have a clinic where they extract

1840
01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:10,120
Speaker 4: venom and they do all the stuff there and they

1841
01:34:10,280 --> 01:34:12,960
Speaker 4: treat pretty much. They're the hub for all of northern

1842
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:16,800
Speaker 4: Tanzania for like snake bite victims. And so the other

1843
01:34:16,960 --> 01:34:20,280
Speaker 4: kids that this this Massai boy was with recognized that

1844
01:34:20,320 --> 01:34:23,599
Speaker 4: he'd been bitten by a mamba. So they they kind

1845
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:25,720
Speaker 4: of managed to get him to a road where they

1846
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:28,800
Speaker 4: flagged down a guy on a motorbike and they got

1847
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:30,880
Speaker 4: him on the motorbike and they all took off their

1848
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:33,280
Speaker 4: belts and kind of belted him to the guy because

1849
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:34,680
Speaker 4: they knew he was going to pass out. I mean,

1850
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:38,240
Speaker 4: was a verger passing, and he passed out somewhere along

1851
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:41,439
Speaker 4: the journey. They got him to Mazzarani, they gave him

1852
01:34:41,479 --> 01:34:44,040
Speaker 4: the like, they gave him the treatment, the anti venom,

1853
01:34:44,160 --> 01:34:46,439
Speaker 4: and apparently like a couple of days later it was fine,

1854
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:50,160
Speaker 4: really happy as a clam. The only injury he had

1855
01:34:50,280 --> 01:34:52,760
Speaker 4: like like that was you know, kind of sucked. Was

1856
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:54,519
Speaker 4: when he passed out, like one of his feet had

1857
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:57,040
Speaker 4: kind of dragged along the black top like he's got

1858
01:34:57,080 --> 01:35:00,840
Speaker 4: a got serious road rash. But he was, he was fine.

1859
01:35:01,120 --> 01:35:03,799
Speaker 4: So I'm not going to say it's one hundred percent fatal,

1860
01:35:03,880 --> 01:35:06,200
Speaker 4: but yeah, if we're out there in Luganzo, we definitely

1861
01:35:06,240 --> 01:35:07,160
Speaker 4: want to avoid those things.

1862
01:35:07,240 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 1: But I'd be surprised. That's gonna have two huge belts

1863
01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:14,160
Speaker 1: on now, yeah, so we can just belt to steal

1864
01:35:14,240 --> 01:35:14,800
Speaker 1: to boots.

1865
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:17,760
Speaker 5: Don't come home from this true.

1866
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:23,600
Speaker 6: Well again, helps not gonna help you, just for the

1867
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:27,599
Speaker 6: dragging your feet there, you go, well there.

1868
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:29,639
Speaker 4: And the other thing about him that's kind of spooky

1869
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:33,160
Speaker 4: is they'll they're like semi arboreal. They'll go up trees.

1870
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:35,240
Speaker 4: So there are guys that have been bitten like from

1871
01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:37,320
Speaker 4: above right down the top of his head.

1872
01:35:37,240 --> 01:35:38,120
Speaker 1: Right through his little hat.

1873
01:35:38,920 --> 01:35:40,040
Speaker 3: That's not gonna have a good time.

1874
01:35:41,479 --> 01:35:43,439
Speaker 4: No, we won't. I'd be surprised if we see one.

1875
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:45,280
Speaker 4: If we do, it'll be cool because we'll be from

1876
01:35:45,320 --> 01:35:47,400
Speaker 4: the car and we can all go and not have

1877
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:51,320
Speaker 4: to worry about getting pokem sure, catch it.

1878
01:35:51,680 --> 01:35:53,439
Speaker 1: Worry all right.

1879
01:35:54,439 --> 01:35:56,639
Speaker 8: Before we are going to We just got to say

1880
01:35:57,439 --> 01:36:00,320
Speaker 8: that your dream will come true because we will have

1881
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:06,880
Speaker 8: a handful of bonus episodes dropping just a couple of

1882
01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:08,919
Speaker 8: We'll have a lot of wwops.

1883
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:12,320
Speaker 4: F W A P.

1884
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:18,200
Speaker 7: Three.

1885
01:36:18,439 --> 01:36:20,479
Speaker 8: Yeah, we'll have a bunch of wwops while we're in

1886
01:36:20,640 --> 01:36:26,280
Speaker 8: country turned around, you know, within a matter of days. Uh.

1887
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:31,360
Speaker 2: Podcast video Stevie.

1888
01:36:31,240 --> 01:36:39,920
Speaker 1: Stevie Hemingway calesay.

1889
01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:39,920
Speaker 8: Thursdays for a few weeks, so you can stay tuned

1890
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:40,360
Speaker 8: for those.

1891
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:42,639
Speaker 1: I can't wait, I can't wait.

1892
01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:43,519
Speaker 5: You're there now.

1893
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:47,120
Speaker 1: Now I'm getting excited, man, I want seeing them snakes.

1894
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:51,519
Speaker 4: Thanks coming out man, absolutely, Thanks for having me being

1895
01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:53,160
Speaker 4: in the bush with you. We're gonna have a hell

1896
01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:54,639
Speaker 4: of a time. No, I think it's gonna be fun.

1897
01:36:54,680 --> 01:36:55,479
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be fun.

1898
01:36:56,280 --> 01:36:57,400
Speaker 1: Congratulations on your hunt.

1899
01:36:57,479 --> 01:36:58,479
Speaker 4: Thanks sir, Phil.

1900
01:36:58,520 --> 01:36:59,400
Speaker 1: We're getting out of your hair.

1901
01:36:59,520 --> 01:36:59,920
Speaker 9: Thank you, sir.

1902
01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:06,040
Speaker 1: We're only seven minutes overdue. My boy's calling me. Oh no,

1903
01:37:06,160 --> 01:37:08,880
Speaker 1: I can't tell this. I got a funny story about

1904
01:37:08,920 --> 01:37:11,400
Speaker 1: my kid. I'll tell later. Nothing to do with our

1905
01:37:11,439 --> 01:37:13,200
Speaker 1: subject matter, all right, guys, Thank you