WEBVTT - Episode 341 w/ Michael Eric Dyson 0:00:01.400 --> 0:00:03.840 Welcome to Drink Champs, the production of The Black Effect 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:18.840 and I heart radio and his drinks motherfucking podcast makes 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:23.000 He's a legendary queen's rapper. He's like Green is your 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:25.439 boy in O R E. He's a Miami hip hop 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:29.000 pioneer up his DJ E f N. Together they drinking 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:32.720 up with some of the biggest players in the most professional, 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:37.120 unprofessional podcast. And yet number one sorts for drunk drink 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:42.440 is New year' z. That's time for Drink Champs. Trink 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:51.240 up mother mother would it could be hopeully would be 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:53.440 This your boy in O right? What up is dj 0:00:53.600 --> 0:01:00.240 E f N? And this is drink Champs makes an right. 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:06.040 Now we have an author, we have a minister radio host, 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:12.160 a professor, an intellect intellect. I love to hear his 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:17.400 brother speak. I remember seeing him on Bill Moore just 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:22.600 handling people like just I remember, you know this is 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:25.120 one of and and I was naming all his titles. 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:29.000 But besides all that, he's a brother hold it down, 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:33.400 can talk. So it's like he's it's like he's spitting 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:37.440 bars when he talks, his speeches, his the way he 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:41.039 delivers the words. So he hit me the other day 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:45.959 and I said, brother, and I need you. He showed 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:48.040 up In case you I don't know who we're talking about, 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:54.880 talking about the one, the only Michael. We don't get 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:57.920 straight to the point. We're gonna food around, I said, 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:01.520 drink Champs. You know we're we're not a political show, 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:05.280 right this This is not why people come here. Um, 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:07.640 and we don't. We don't really you know, prep our 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:09.400 guests and say, yo, this is what we're gonna ask. 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:11.040 So this is what we're gonna do. It's kind of 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:12.480 like a free fall. You just come here and and 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:16.080 things just happen. So well, this is for those who's 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:18.520 tuning in. This is our first episode since the Kanye 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:21.280 West episode. That might have seen other episodes that dropped, 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:24.079 but this is not. This is the very first one 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:28.160 recorded episodes since the Kanye West. So what did you 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:32.760 think when you first heard also Kanye on this show? Well, 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:34.720 first of all, I'm such a huge fan of this show. 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:40.679 I watch every right and back when when we read 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:44.480 Ditty's Christmas Party years ago, you got my numbers. Look, 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:47.880 I want you to come on. So I'm finally I'm 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:49.720 glad we're finally able to work it out for the 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:52.160 people to know this. Hold on, I'm right. This has 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:54.040 been on a show about two, two or three years 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:55.720 ago something like that. I came with you. I was 0:02:55.760 --> 0:03:00.800 so excited you early dream shots because I truly understand 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:02.880 that this is the balance that we need. You understand. 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:06.320 I'm saying, if we cover our story that, um, that 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:08.880 wasn't right. I want to I want to fix it. 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:12.320 That's so. So so let's let's go back to that. 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:14.959 So what did you what what was your getting phone calls? 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:17.000 Was people calling you saying, man, Kanye West is on 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:19.960 your show? Yeah, that's right, and say, man, you know 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:25.520 that's the dude you love that cut the con and 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:29.680 he got to the So the thing is, look, I've 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:31.520 known Kanye for a while. So let me put my 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:33.600 car straight on the table. Let me tell you how 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:36.320 I came to know Kanye. So I'm texting j jay 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:43.520 Z after I'm trying to flaws, but we're gonna get 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:47.000 that stuff out your teeth. So the thing is is 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:49.320 that this is right after the v m a's right 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:52.000 when he does the Taylor Swift thing. I was in 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:55.320 the audience when Kanye did what he did right, and 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:57.520 we were it was like the Oscars is that a joke? 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:00.240 Is that is that arrange? And then after we're when 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:02.640 it went down and he was taking all the heat, 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:05.360 I'm texting Jay going, I'm not feeling that I said, 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:07.440 because what Kanye was trying to do in that moment 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:11.680 is to say Black artists have always been appropriated, ex appropriated, 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:15.520 denounced and then took all their content and then the 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:18.120 gifts that they have have been abused, and then they 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:20.359 don't get the recognition for they make the dump, the 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:23.400 dope and bomb albums, but they don't get the recognition. Right, 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:26.599 I'm imagining that night. Uh, little Richard was going like, 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:31.280 go ahead, because because give me my Grammy. I bet 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:34.400 Chuck Barry was like, yo, where was somebody when I 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:38.800 deserved a Grammy that maybe was given to Elvis? So 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:42.120 I saw it in the historical context. Yeah, he was drunk. Yeah, 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:43.720 he went up there and did something rude. I love 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:46.599 Taylor Swift, but at that moment, he was representative of 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:49.320 a culture that was tired of being abused. So I 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:51.760 told Jay, I'm not down with all the hate that's 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:54.320 coming to Kanye. He says, do me a favor, you know, 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:56.640 send it to my email, and I'm gonna send it 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:59.520 to you, Kanye. So I did the thing. He sent 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:02.240 it to many. That's how me and Kanye first met 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:04.960 years and years ago. So we've been talking back and forth. 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:07.719 He don't posted some of my stuff, my tweets, text 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:10.000 to him in public. That's why I don't feel bad 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:14.880 about going public, not because God name you ain't. You 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:18.839 ain't had asked me, because you post my stuff. So 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:21.560 let's have a public conversation, you know. So I love 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:24.040 Let me be clear, I love him. He's a genius. 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:27.960 He's extraordinarily talented. But I think uh dealing with the 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:30.640 mental health issues that he confronts, whether he wants to 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:33.640 admit them or not, that's part of it. Another party 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:36.960 is that the mental health may exacerbate tendencies that already 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:40.520 pre exist, that the conditions that underlied. Just like when 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:43.320 you talk about COVID, COVID brings out some of the 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:47.280 other stuff that has been hampering you high blood pressure, diabetes, 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:50.200 and so on. So in this sense, the mental health 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:53.600 issues and struggles that he's been clear and quite transparent 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:57.159 about may have also touched off our analysis of some 0:05:57.240 --> 0:06:00.400 of his politics and ideology that are problematic. He's a 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:03.480 genius and a menace. He's a genius and a nuisance. 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:06.679 He's a genius who does extraordinary things. But this ain't 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:10.760 his strong suit. Talking about George Floyd is not your 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:13.320 strong suit. And I know you've been deeply inspired and 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:17.680 influenced by Candice owns Uh, the conservative right wing host 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:21.240 who lives in in Nashville like I do. So the 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:24.479 thing is who you listening to? Who's your diet? You know, 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:27.080 this is not Whole Foods. This is not a grocer 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:29.240 that is of reputable stuff. You you're getting it from 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:32.120 a ghetto grocer, and you're pumping that stuff back into 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:36.520 the consciousness of the people. And it's sounding deeply, profoundly ignorant, 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:39.640 you know, saying that, Well, he wasn't calling his mama, 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:42.359 it was just what his girlfriend was called. Regardless, that 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:44.239 may have been true, But the point is he's calling 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:47.280 to his mother who had recently died, and he's feeling 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:50.480 a kinship in intimacy with her, and then talking about 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:54.200 fentonel was what caused this death? Bro When they did 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:58.239 Martin Luther King Jr's autopsy at thirty nine years old, 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:01.520 they discovered he had the art of a sixty three 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:03.840 year old man. Now that's my age, So I hope 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:09.000 that was pretty damn good. But they saying for thirty nine, 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:12.040 you shouldn't have a sixty three year old hard Is 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:14.800 that what killed him? No, it was the bullet from 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:19.440 James Earl ray So Mr West brother, the ya Kanye. 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:23.679 It was the force apply by a white supremacist cop. 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:27.200 Now whether he had intention to hate black people, the 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:29.960 function of his knee on the neck of George Floyd, 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:33.200 despite Floyd saying I can't breathe, please get up, he 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:36.480 was being extremely nice. He wasn't belligerent, he wasn't nasty, 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:39.360 he wasn't for tuperative, he wasn't Hayden, he wasn't cussing 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:41.600 the man out. He was saying, I can't breathe, and 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:44.600 this man didn't hear him. It was the pressure applied 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:48.240 by the knee of Derek Chovin. And by the way, 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:50.960 the black cop who was on his back, and the 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:53.440 white cop who was on his knees and his torso, 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:57.440 and the Asian cop who was lookout. That's multiculturalism for you. 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:01.280 That's why diversity has to be toward a goal of equality, 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:04.200 because you're gonna have diversity towards some messed up goals. 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.880 Kanye West, to me, has an extraordinary platform. He says, 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:11.000 he wants independent thought. How are you being independent in 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:14.680 the circumference of MAGA, in the circumference of Donald Trump. 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:16.800 Let me give you another story. I had just written 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:19.440 a book, Tears We Cannot Stop, a sermon to White America. 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:22.440 And so I was out in l A on book 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.280 tour and I come out of this warehouse looking place 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:29.280 where I had done a show, and a brother standing there, 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:31.920 and I says that Kanye say, hey, man, what's going on? 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:34.760 Oh man, what's happening? Blah blah blah. Right, it was 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:36.240 that my book? It was that. It was It was 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:38.920 at a recording of a show that was talking about 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:41.880 my book. But he happened to be outside where I 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.760 was was coming out. So he totaled his companion said 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:47.040 you know what this is Michael guys and blah blah blah, 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:48.920 and then he, you know, we talked a bit. This 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:50.960 is right after he had, you know, announced his support 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:53.680 for Trump. So I went to my car, knock knock, 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.360 knock on the window, and it's Jay saying, you know, hey, 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:58.040 I'd like to talk to you about what's going on. 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:00.480 So for the next half hour we're chopping up. I'm saying, 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:05.040 why is it that you a rhetorical genius, a verbal master, 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:09.560 in complete control of an aesthetic expression of hip hop 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:12.280 that we hadn't seen in ever. You brought together in 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:15.840 the Midwest, the sole traditions, digging into the crates to 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:19.800 give us a sonic texture that continues to thrive today. 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:23.240 It's so dense with blues and with with R and 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:26.160 B and the love ethic of black people. Why would 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:29.280 you leverage all of the genius you've created as a 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:33.679 result of your own gifts for a man who is mediocre, 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:37.600 who is a bigot, who has no concern for any 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:40.920 beyond him, who is a lethal narcissist. He says, so, 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:42.400 what do you think God should do? I said, I 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:45.000 think you should distance yourself from him. I don't think 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:47.600 that that's something healthy for you. So when he says, 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:50.840 you know, people can't think and they can't be independent, 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:55.079 who are you independent from? White supremacy is a dominant 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:58.920 stream in American society. The belief that black people uh 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:01.720 should not say black lives matter. You're wearing a white 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:04.560 Lives Matter T shirt. It might be que to you, 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:08.720 It might be an aesthetic representation of your imagination gone crazy. 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:11.400 But the bottom line is we know white lives matter. 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:14.120 That's why we say Black lives matter. You ain't got 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:16.520 to say something that's apparent. When you come to the 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:18.800 crib and you got your wife and kids there and 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:21.080 you want to be daddy, you ain't got to say, hey, 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:24.240 remember I'm daddy. They already know you daddy. If you 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:28.360 in control, daddy is um is in your DNA. But 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:31.520 when you announced that, that means it hasn't been made clear. 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:33.840 So when we say black lives matter, we're saying that 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:37.000 black lives have been disrespected, have been degraded, have been 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:40.559 denied access, have been treated as if they were second 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:44.240 class citizens. White folk already got the advantage. So you're 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:46.720 wearing a White Lives Matter T shirt. May be cute 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:49.880 to you, but it's destructive, it's harmful, and it hurts 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:53.520 the core of Black American destination. And for Kanye to say, look, 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:55.800 I want to be independent, I'm for independent thought. So 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.079 let's hold you to account. Let's ask you what you're 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:02.120 talking about. Let's speak about the interests and intentions you 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:07.160 have by going to Paris, appearing there radiating a toxic 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:12.040 racial identity that has been destructive not only the black people, 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:15.120 but the white people. To whiteness has been a destructive 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:18.079 reality for white folks themselves. That's where they're trying to 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:19.720 struggle with it as well. So those are some of 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:21.600 the things I thought off the top of the dome 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:25.600 when I saw that. You know what was what's crazy 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:30.600 is when he first wore the White Lives Matter T shirt. 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:33.760 He I think that this is how he had left 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:37.640 Gap and he had went to fashion week, right, And 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:39.760 I think that I think that's why I think I'm 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:44.040 outside of looking in an inside of looking out. Um, 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:46.199 I think he only wore the White Lives Matter to 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:48.679 steal the attention away from fashion Week. I think he 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.520 didn't actually think about the people that was hurt by it. 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:54.880 I think I think he was just thinking, like, you 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:58.559 know what, now our own fashion week and and and 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:02.240 and it's crazy, but he actually got the goal done. 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:04.360 If that was the goal, you understand, I'm saying for 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:07.120 all attention to just go to him, like once that 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:11.240 picture got up, you don't try. But apparently that why 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:15.400 not say cracker is gonna crack? That would have gotten. 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:18.280 I don't believe that for those listening, But I'm saying, 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:20.640 if you're trying to get attention, why not say that? 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:24.520 Why not say Angela Davis Rocks. Why not say black 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:28.320 suffering needs to be talked about like pornography. Right, there's 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:30.440 a lot of stuff he could have said, because when 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:34.160 you are that person, what you do comes out. So 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:36.800 the choice he made he can't be he can't escape 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:39.559 responsibility for because when you said that, if you're only 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:42.559 thinking about yourself, that's part of the problem. You claim 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:45.079 to be a leader in terms of thought, you claim 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:48.120 to be independent, but you are supporting it to a 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:50.600 kind of thinking and logic. This is what we mean 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:53.480 by white supremacy. It don't mean that every white person 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:56.120 hates black people. That's not what white supremacy is. White 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:59.560 supremacy is the conscious or unconscious belief in the inherent 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:03.400 superior priority of one group and the inherent inferiority of 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:08.360 all others. So when you're performing that your own anti blackness, Kanye, 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:11.880 you're a black man who's being anti black. Take for example, 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:15.560 um Clarence Thomas on the Supreme Court. But Clarence Thomas 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:18.040 is a dark skinned black man, anybody gonna miss that 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:20.400 he a Negro. But at the same time, when he 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:25.560 opens his mouth, white supremacist ideas, white supremacist thought, white 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:29.680 supremacist rhetoric, white supremacist logic is coming out. And then 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:32.959 his wife wiled and out on the January six tip 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:37.680 writing letters and emails to figures within the Trump administration 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:40.800 to amp up their resistance, uh to what's going on 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:43.360 in this country by stealing the voting or saying the 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:46.199 vote was stolen. All of this, Kanye, you were buying 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:49.760 into that. If you're naive, you're still dangerous. If you're intentional, 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:53.640 you're destructive. But regardless of what your intent was, the 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:56.599 consequent was horrible. And if he didn't mean it, he 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:58.880 could have said, by now you know what I was tripping. 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:02.000 It was a ploy to get some recognition, but what 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:04.240 idea was destructive. I don't think he believes that. I 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:06.600 think he actually meant what he said, and we have 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:08.440 to take him at his word. Like I supoke to 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:12.959 Todler quality this morning and we were chopping and told him, 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:16.720 how had you come in? And um, he said that 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:20.840 what what it was spreading was white supremacy. Like how 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:23.840 you say how can how how can I How isn't 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:28.080 that an oxymoron? A black man spreading white supremacy? How 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:30.760 can that? How can those two exists? Right? That's a 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:33.360 great point. Well, that's why I said, even with Clarence 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:38.880 Thomas's ventriloquism, black mouth open white ideas coming forward. So 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:42.360 you know how that works. You're the one talking, but 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:45.880 somebody else's voice is being amplified, so you can take 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:47.440 into your own. You know, we used to call the 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:52.200 old days internalized white oppression. In other words, you become 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:54.960 the most vehicle effective vehicle for the spread of white 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:57.080 supremacy because you could have passed or he can't be 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:59.840 white supremacis he's black. He can't be anti black, he's 0:14:59.840 --> 0:15:02.840 black himself. Well that's the thing with Clarence Thomas. How 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:04.920 are you going to claim Clarence Thomas is anti black 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:06.960 because he's a black man. Don't mean he can't be 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:09.200 against black people. We see it every day, don't we 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.440 call it black home black crime. I think that's a 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:14.440 problematic moniker. I think that doesn't describe what's going on. 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:16.440 But at the end of the day, when a black 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:18.960 person takes the life of another black person, and not 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:21.920 a white person. That is what we are doing. So 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:27.200 we can see rhetorically, verbally, intellectually, ideologically, politically, anyway, academically, scholarly, 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:29.920 anyway you want to put it, You as a black person, 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:33.520 can talk about ideas that instructive to black people. What 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:36.360 did what did Zora Neil Hurston say, all my kin folk, 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:39.240 I mean all my skin folk, ame my kinfolk. And 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:41.960 what she meant by that is that certain ideas hibernate 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:44.800 in the unconscious of black people and come out at 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:48.760 very interesting moments when they began to reinforce the very 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:52.240 ideas that hurt and harm us. So that's the oxymaronic statement. 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:56.080 New scholarship has talked about anti blackness and and trying 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:58.520 to be an anti racist because black people themselves can 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:03.120 harbor horrible beliefs that are destructive to our people. You 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:05.440 want to see the perfect example of that, Look at 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:09.440 Stephen and Django. Look at Samuel L. Jackson. Samuel Jackson's 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:10.960 a friend of mine. When I saw my said negro, 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:15.640 I wanted to knock your black office said the same 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:24.200 thing though exactly. But Kanye, I'm just saying that right. 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:27.800 So Stephen is up here, he is more effectively expressing 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:32.160 the ideas of white dominance, white privileged, white superiority, and 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:35.600 black subordination to them than any any white person ever could. 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:38.000 So that's what we mean when we say black people 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:41.800 ourselves can begin to express ideas that are harmful and 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:45.960 destructive to our own communities. Because on one hand, it 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:47.840 was it was confusing for me. And I've been doing 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:50.200 this for six years. I'm not a journalist, I'm not 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:53.320 a therapist, but I'm a realist. I'm hearing this and 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:57.000 it was confusing to me at times because he'll say, 0:16:57.320 --> 0:16:59.720 you know, the white Lives Matter shirt, but then he'll 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:03.320 didn't help peach black excellence. So I was confused to do, 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:05.879 like you, I want our community to have this. I 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:08.240 want our community, I want us to do this, and 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:11.080 and and and it's like how does they how does 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:14.240 that both exist? Like yeah, that's part of the fact 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:16.359 is he is a genius. So it's like no question, 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:18.679 it's like kind of like hard to like to distinguish, 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:22.200 like which part do you Actually that's a great point, 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:24.440 you know what I'm saying. Look, we can acknowledge his genius, 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:26.400 but his genius is in certain areas. You know, when 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:28.600 you're a genius. You're a genius did everything. You know 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:31.240 what I'm saying. You could be. Einstein was a mathematical genius, 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:33.240 but he could hardly keep his clothes clean, so he 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:36.520 wouldn't know clean genius. Like Ell told me yesterday. For 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:38.840 Ell told me this was his analogy. He called me. 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:41.639 He said, Oh, well, people don't go to ESPN to 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:47.960 talk about stocks, right, so you gotta respect the genre. 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:51.879 What genre? I'm against the rapper, so I'm I'm not 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.520 a conscious rapper. I'm not common. I can't talk about 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:58.080 elevated ideas of black identity because that ain't what I do. Right. 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:00.520 I can't say that, Hey, I will. I can't buy 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:02.520 you a new person, but I will match your work. Nah, 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:04.960 I don't know what that's about. I got you a 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:09.240 birkin open up. So you gotta understand what you're good at. 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:13.080 And Kanye is great at music. Kanye is great at, 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:17.920 you know, productivity within the concepts of aesthetics and fashion. 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:22.399 Kanye is great at producing. Kanye is great at being 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:25.880 Kanye as a provocative figure. What Kanye ain't great at 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:29.280 is understanding the relationship between what he does and the 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:33.200 political consequences. That that that result from that. Now, if 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:35.200 he's conscious of it, if he goes, I dare you 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:37.960 to say that I'm I'm conscious, I'm a genius. I 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:39.760 know what I'm doing. Well, then we're gonna have to 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:42.760 really hold you accountable. But your genius is not in 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:47.120 this area. It's it's gobbledygook. It's confused. On the one hand, 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:49.480 you talking about black excellence, and he's made some brilliant 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:53.120 music with jay On Watch the Throne from Black Excellent, 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:57.199 Black Murder, the Black excellence, beautiful, uplifting, powerful, Then you 0:18:57.280 --> 0:18:59.879 turn right around or you make you know, crack music, 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:02.760 you know, talking about that black music and talking about 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:05.600 Ronald Reagan and destroying black communities. You're going like, wow, 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:08.240 that's powerful. Or when his mother took him and his 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:12.120 parents took him to march in civil rights marches, that's powerful, 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:15.080 that's beautiful. George Bush doesn't care for black people, that's great. 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:18.560 Then you flip so easily on this other side where 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:21.800 you demonizing black people, where you're saying white lives matter. 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:25.080 Where now George Bush doesn't care for black people. Now 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:28.520 you're saying that white lives matter. You're proving to certain 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:32.560 black people that Kanye doesn't care about black people. So 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:36.879 there's no question that Kanye is confused. But his confusion 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:41.679 has consequence because he has such a monumental platform. And 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:44.359 the reason we respond to him is not because we 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:46.560 don't love him. I suspect that he'll hear me. You 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:49.400 you're you betrayed me. You're supposed to be my friend. No, sir, 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:51.640 the old black people say, where you did it, where 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:53.320 you messed up, is where you get it. Where you're 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:56.120 gonna get your punishment, right, I'm not administering any punishment. 0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:59.200 All of us are frail and fragile and flawed. I've 0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:01.960 made many mistakes. I pray to God people forgive me. 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:05.240 The women, the men, the children that I've heard inadvertently 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:08.600 or in intention intentionally forgive me. So I believe. I 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:11.440 don't believe in Cancil culture. I don't believe in disposable 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:14.159 human beings. I believe people mess up, then they are 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:16.240 should be allowed to come back into the fold. But 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:19.560 you got to admit what you did was wrong. And 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:24.520 Kanye brokers no acceptance. Brooks no acceptance, has no one 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:27.920 understanding of responsibility. By saying I did this, I said 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:31.080 this is jacked up. He thinks what he says is right, 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:33.359 and at this very moment, he needs to be held 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:36.560 to public account for the public distress and harm that 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:39.600 he has caused and the trauma that he's imposed upon 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:42.840 the blood the black people in America. I think I 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:47.360 think you should make some but um, how so how 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:49.520 do you how do because me, like I heard you 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:52.679 say it, it's like I do. I do love Kane, right, 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:56.479 I love And what's crazy about me and him is 0:20:56.680 --> 0:21:00.720 our relationship is never political. So I didn't understand like 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:03.320 not to say because I'm guilty too for for not 0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:06.560 being aware of what happened on on my platform. But 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:08.520 most of the time me and him speak is never 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:12.000 never political, right, So how do how do I move forward? Like, 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:17.280 still love my friend, but I'm absolutely against his political views, 0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:20.199 but I'm still my friend. Of course, you gotta you 0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:22.399 gotta tell him that, you gotta say, yeah, look, I 0:21:22.440 --> 0:21:24.680 love you. What you're doing is amazing. Now if he's 0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:28.320 mature enough to accept your critique in love, That's why 0:21:28.359 --> 0:21:29.800 I do it in love. I'm not coming on here 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:32.920 to try to harangue him, to harass him, to demonize him. 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:35.520 That's not what I'm trying to do however, or James 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:37.600 Brown would say house and never. What we got to 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:39.760 do is get into the thick of it. And bro, 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:43.320 I love you, I respect your genius. You're a remarkable 0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:47.680 creative in this American society. But what you're doing is problematic. 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:50.119 And when you say, look, I understand what you mean 0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:52.800 when you say it's not explicitly political. But you know, 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:56.400 most of life is political. This water, this, this, this 0:21:56.480 --> 0:22:00.480 booze are sitting here in a neighborhood in Miami, right, 0:22:00.520 --> 0:22:02.840 this is all political because somebody had to make the 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:05.760 decision about what zoning was available. Well, how could this 0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:09.280 bar or this club exists here? That's politics. Politics is 0:22:09.320 --> 0:22:11.840 about what school your kids go to and do they 0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:14.440 get a good education? So, in one sense, your show 0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:20.040 is extremely political because it broadcasts and amplifies the diversity 0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:23.400 of black identity and hip hop at its heart. That's 0:22:23.440 --> 0:22:27.600 a deeply and profoundly political statement in a culture that 0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:37.880 doubts the humanity and the intelligence of black people. Because um, 0:22:37.960 --> 0:22:41.280 and I believe you say, sixty five right, okay, okay, 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:46.760 so lets well, so have you in these sixty three 0:22:46.840 --> 0:22:51.360 years have you ever seen something like this Prior? I mean, obviously, 0:22:51.880 --> 0:22:55.840 you know, people have done horrible things, made mistakes, uh 0:22:55.960 --> 0:22:58.080 aft up, and so I mean we ain't that far 0:22:58.200 --> 0:23:06.760 past the oscars saying right now, I know Will too, 0:23:06.800 --> 0:23:09.159 He's a beautiful, beautiful man, and I know you and 0:23:09.280 --> 0:23:12.480 jaded stuff, but yeah, I mean take that attention off 0:23:12.480 --> 0:23:17.160 on man. Or you know, when Dreymond Green just punched 0:23:17.600 --> 0:23:20.919 you know, Jordan Pool, now, it didn't have the significance 0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:25.280 and the impact of this. And arguably obviously Will Smith's 0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:28.240 slap of Chris Rock And both of them are dear 0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:29.720 friends of mine and I love them. I'm in the 0:23:29.760 --> 0:23:32.480 same dilemma as you. I love both of these men, 0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:36.800 geniuses at what they do, extraordinary human beings. One of 0:23:36.840 --> 0:23:42.000 them made a horrible mistake in publicly humiliating another black man, 0:23:42.080 --> 0:23:44.080 and that black man is left to deal with the 0:23:44.160 --> 0:23:47.919 consequences of that, even though he says he's fine. The depression, 0:23:48.160 --> 0:23:51.720 the trauma, the internal sense of question self questioning should 0:23:51.720 --> 0:23:54.320 I have done this? And if I had done something differently, 0:23:54.320 --> 0:23:56.399 could I have been could it have led to a 0:23:56.400 --> 0:23:59.920 different consequence? But what Kanye has done is to amp 0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:03.240 the five the worst instincts of white folk against black 0:24:03.280 --> 0:24:05.399 folk and he's done done it as a as a 0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:08.639 sheep in one sense, as a wolf in sheep's clothing, 0:24:08.680 --> 0:24:11.560 because if you come as a friend defending us in 0:24:11.640 --> 0:24:14.200 your music, defending us in your culture and politics. Although 0:24:14.200 --> 0:24:15.879 a lot of black people would say it's been a 0:24:15.920 --> 0:24:18.520 long time since he's been defending us, he's been offending 0:24:18.600 --> 0:24:21.720 us a lot longer. But the point is that Kanye 0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:25.199 West has had moments where he has stood up high 0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:29.000 and powerful in the culture. George Bush making music, I 0:24:29.000 --> 0:24:31.080 mean when he's talking about blackness, going up on that 0:24:31.119 --> 0:24:35.159 stage with Taylor Swift saying, Beyonce deserved that. All my 0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:39.320 single ladies, all my single ladies. Oh even the Pope 0:24:39.440 --> 0:24:41.240 was singing that, if you really want me to be 0:24:41.280 --> 0:24:44.040 pumped up, put put a ring on it. So the 0:24:44.119 --> 0:24:48.320 point is that was deeply and profoundly consequential and influential. 0:24:48.680 --> 0:24:51.920 But another compatriot of his, I won't name his name, 0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:54.720 a famous musician, said, but when I was hanging with Kanye, 0:24:54.800 --> 0:24:57.240 we never talked politics like you were saying we talked 0:24:57.240 --> 0:25:01.280 about So Kanye was never really explicit political, even though 0:25:01.359 --> 0:25:05.480 his statements had political consequence, it wasn't his intent. It's 0:25:05.520 --> 0:25:07.200 just what happened. It is. My past used to tell 0:25:07.240 --> 0:25:09.679 me a mosquito don't more meaning no harm. It just 0:25:09.720 --> 0:25:12.440 wants some blood, but it can't give you malaria. So 0:25:13.040 --> 0:25:16.840 Kanye may have meant this to be exciting. He may 0:25:16.880 --> 0:25:19.879 have meant this to be controversial, although I suspect this 0:25:20.000 --> 0:25:23.000 deeper than that. But the consequence to us is that 0:25:23.040 --> 0:25:26.480 we've got a kind of psychological malaria. We've got racial 0:25:26.640 --> 0:25:29.640 harm and trauma being delivered to us. And Kanye must 0:25:29.640 --> 0:25:31.399 be made aware of that. Eiven, He's going to accept 0:25:31.440 --> 0:25:34.239 that responsibility and go, let me do something different. But 0:25:34.280 --> 0:25:36.960 I suspect the crowd he's hanging out with now is 0:25:36.960 --> 0:25:40.640 telling him your brave, You're courageous, You're doing a good thing. 0:25:40.840 --> 0:25:44.320 He's hanging out with Donald Trump. Donald Trump, this orange apparition, 0:25:44.640 --> 0:25:48.440 this guy, this guy who, when when Twitter was existing 0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:50.639 and he was on it, got up every morning to 0:25:50.720 --> 0:25:53.520 excrete the feces of his moral depravity into a nation. 0:25:53.560 --> 0:25:57.960 He turned into his psychic commode. He was doing horrible, devastating, 0:25:58.119 --> 0:26:01.600 nasty stuff to us, and for Kanye to amplify that, 0:26:01.920 --> 0:26:04.960 for Kanye to amen that, come on, bro, you are 0:26:05.040 --> 0:26:09.920 now contagious. You got the COVID of racial self hatred 0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:12.200 or at least hatred of black folks, and you got 0:26:12.200 --> 0:26:15.200 the quarantine for a minute, to get that ship straight. 0:26:16.800 --> 0:26:19.280 It is it? Could it be an extreme version of 0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:22.920 trying to reach greatness or on your way to greatness. 0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:26.840 You're going to have those failures in those potholes, sure, 0:26:26.880 --> 0:26:29.400 because you we see the genius in him. We see 0:26:29.440 --> 0:26:33.240 when he does really great things, but he's still trying 0:26:33.280 --> 0:26:35.320 to rise to this greatness that he hasn't achieved it 0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:37.600 in his mind. Is it full of those failures and 0:26:37.640 --> 0:26:40.560 potles that we're seeing. Of course. I mean, look, Kanye 0:26:40.800 --> 0:26:44.159 is a genius, rising even higher doing incredible things. But 0:26:44.320 --> 0:26:47.040 part of that genius has to be the ability to 0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:52.879 acknowledge a moral mishap, an ethical failure. I did something 0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:54.920 and it's wrong. You can't be just to not Nope, 0:26:55.119 --> 0:26:57.359 I don't care. I did it. I said it. That's cool. 0:26:57.520 --> 0:26:59.919 Let me keep moving on. We can't move on because 0:27:00.000 --> 0:27:02.879 you've left us with the consequences, right you the baby 0:27:03.080 --> 0:27:04.959 you don't craft in the diaper? You want to move on. 0:27:05.040 --> 0:27:07.160 We got to change that day. We got to deal 0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:11.240 with the consequences of it. So Kanye undeniably is rising 0:27:11.280 --> 0:27:14.000 to higher heights in terms of his fashion presence and 0:27:14.040 --> 0:27:15.560 being a bellion there. I know he keeps saying he's 0:27:15.560 --> 0:27:18.399 the richest black man in America. That would be Robert Smith, right, 0:27:18.520 --> 0:27:22.000 Robert Smith worth nearly seven billion dollars, Robert Smith who 0:27:22.040 --> 0:27:25.600 stood at more House College and said, let me forgive 0:27:25.720 --> 0:27:29.040 forty million dollars your loans. That's what a negro with 0:27:29.400 --> 0:27:33.200 money does. That's what a black man with bank does. 0:27:33.560 --> 0:27:35.600 That's what a black billionaire does. And I know there 0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:37.760 are a lot of people out here speaking about racial 0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:40.840 capitalism and trying to talk about the subversion of American 0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:43.640 economy for black people predicated upon being a billion there. 0:27:43.640 --> 0:27:46.080 I get that. That's a different argument for a different day. 0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:49.439 I'm just saying, Kanye West is trying to do the 0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:51.760 best he can, but the best he can is hurting 0:27:51.760 --> 0:27:54.760 and harming us. And you're hanging out with people, you know, 0:27:54.760 --> 0:27:56.800 he's hanging out what Canda's owns, and God bless her. 0:27:57.280 --> 0:28:00.000 Candas Owns is a highly intelligent young lady doing her things. 0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:03.040 I deeply and profoundly disagree with her. If you want 0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:05.720 to hang out with some brilliant, beautiful black women, UH 0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:09.800 call up Treva Lindsay at Ohio State University, a brilliant 0:28:09.800 --> 0:28:13.000 woman wrote a book called America God Damn, a tremendous feminist. 0:28:13.040 --> 0:28:14.600 If you want to hang out with some young, brilliant, 0:28:14.640 --> 0:28:18.080 beautiful Black women, call Brittany Cooper, who wrote a book 0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:21.399 called Eloquent Rage about feminism in America and the way 0:28:21.400 --> 0:28:24.239 in which black feminism has to be assaulted has been 0:28:24.240 --> 0:28:26.920 assaulted both from within the culture and beyond. If you 0:28:26.960 --> 0:28:28.840 want to hang out with brilliant black women, talk to 0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:31.480 Salomisha Tillott, who just want to pull a surprise and 0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:33.480 writes for The New York Times and wrote a book 0:28:33.520 --> 0:28:35.440 on the making of the color purple. If you want 0:28:35.440 --> 0:28:38.200 to hang out with brilliant black women, talked to Stephanie 0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:41.520 Jones Rogers, who won National Book Award and wrote a 0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:44.640 book they were hurt property about white women owning Black 0:28:44.680 --> 0:28:46.760 women that you see l a. If you want to 0:28:46.800 --> 0:28:50.440 hang out with brilliant black women, there's so many others 0:28:50.640 --> 0:28:53.160 who are available to talk to you, and they love 0:28:53.240 --> 0:28:56.280 hip hop and they're dope and they got mad swag. 0:28:56.400 --> 0:28:59.120 Do that. Bro, just learned some different black women that 0:28:59.160 --> 0:29:02.120 would be helpful to again with because I guess that's 0:29:02.160 --> 0:29:04.560 I guess that's what he was trying to do and say, 0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:07.120 I believe Snoop critiqued him at one time and Snoop 0:29:07.200 --> 0:29:09.840 said that he didn't have black woman around him, and 0:29:09.880 --> 0:29:12.480 then and then and every down. Now people are teaking 0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:14.520 him because not only did he get a black woman, 0:29:14.520 --> 0:29:17.800 but he got somebody that believes in the total different. 0:29:18.400 --> 0:29:21.440 That's a great point, but she ain't his woman. That's 0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:24.280 different when when the woman at your crib like Negro, 0:29:25.000 --> 0:29:27.920 I know you a big time professor and everything, but 0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:30.840 you need to slow that down. Make you're killing him 0:29:30.840 --> 0:29:33.560 all right? You need that pillow talk right. The pillow 0:29:33.640 --> 0:29:36.080 may be white, but the black woman is radiating some 0:29:36.200 --> 0:29:38.720 intense blackness and that makes the difference. I'm not trying 0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:41.520 to judge what he does because Kanye predicted it. He said, 0:29:41.560 --> 0:29:42.880 you the first thing you're gonna do when you get 0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:44.920 famous gonna get a white girl. Right. He said that 0:29:44.960 --> 0:29:47.280 in his own music, And I'm for look love who 0:29:47.320 --> 0:29:50.000 you will if you and this microphone can get together, 0:29:50.040 --> 0:29:52.440 y'all get down. Hey, I love you, I love you? 0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:57.520 Why do you love me? You amplify? So if y'all 0:29:57.520 --> 0:30:00.960 can have little baby, little microphone. So I'm I'm for 0:30:01.040 --> 0:30:04.840 that for sure. 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Um, 0:31:20.400 --> 0:31:23.920 the woman that's locked up in Russia, do you think 0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:28.240 that would be different if if she was any other race? 0:31:28.240 --> 0:31:33.480 Don't the basketball who just had her birthday? What yesterday? Right? 0:31:33.800 --> 0:31:36.840 There is no question that if she wasn't a woman 0:31:36.880 --> 0:31:40.920 who challenged the sexual norms. She's married to a woman's 0:31:40.920 --> 0:31:44.240 but she's a dominant ball player. She is a phenomenal 0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:48.080 cultural icon. There is no question. Even Lebron had admitted 0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:50.200 that was him over there. Why want you to remember 0:31:50.200 --> 0:31:53.600 your thoughts? But I admitted that I smoked weed and Russia. 0:31:53.680 --> 0:31:56.200 U was with me one time? You do? Right? Come 0:31:56.200 --> 0:32:00.920 out on submitted like this was this is like a 0:32:01.000 --> 0:32:03.600 normal thing for rappers to go to Russia and getting 0:32:03.600 --> 0:32:06.920 we like, so this is kind of crazy for for me. 0:32:06.960 --> 0:32:09.920 But no, no, you absolutely right. Well know it's arbitrary, 0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:12.360 but see that's the point. You're dealing with a strong man. 0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:14.560 You're dealing with a dictator, you're dealing with a fascist. 0:32:14.680 --> 0:32:18.320 You're dealing with a person who saw her um being 0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:22.760 arrested as a moment that he could leverage her body 0:32:23.080 --> 0:32:26.959 in Russia for his advantage in fighting America. Now, if 0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:29.800 it been Donald Trump. Look how Donald Trump was vicious 0:32:30.200 --> 0:32:32.120 by saying, you know, she shouldn't have been doing what 0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:34.360 she was doing. He didn't support her, he didn't stay 0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:40.120 with Oh my god, he doubled down on Russia's incarceration 0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:42.720 of her and harmed her. This is another reason just 0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:45.920 by tangential relationship. And that's what I'm saying, Kane, Look 0:32:45.960 --> 0:32:48.800 who you're supporting. Look at this kind of dude, right 0:32:49.040 --> 0:32:52.440 who is anti black at his heart. They held him 0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:55.320 and his daddy responsible for doing stuff with real estate 0:32:55.400 --> 0:32:57.400 back in the seventies and eighties, took out a full 0:32:57.440 --> 0:33:01.160 page page ad against the so called um you know, 0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:04.600 Central Park five and they're tolerated five now. But the 0:33:04.640 --> 0:33:08.120 point is that's who you're supporting. But yes, this black woman, 0:33:08.200 --> 0:33:11.120 had she been anybody else, even a straight black woman, 0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:14.960 would have received more support than a queer black woman 0:33:15.240 --> 0:33:18.640 with a black wife, both of them beautiful, intelligent women, 0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:21.240 but who are being used as a pawn and a 0:33:21.320 --> 0:33:25.120 patsy by a Russian government to get back at America. 0:33:25.400 --> 0:33:29.600 And he's a dictatorial fascist person appealing to a dictatorial 0:33:29.720 --> 0:33:33.560 fascist impulse within the country. That is Donald Trump and 0:33:33.600 --> 0:33:36.120 those who follow him for the most part. And this 0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:41.560 is why again Kanye West's support of him is so undignified. 0:33:41.800 --> 0:33:44.920 It's so harmful to black people and so destructive to 0:33:44.960 --> 0:33:47.680 the fundamental process of American democracy. But let me be 0:33:47.720 --> 0:33:51.680 Devil's advocate. Why are we not hearing Commona Commanda as 0:33:51.680 --> 0:33:55.400 a black woman doing more for her, Like you know 0:33:55.440 --> 0:33:57.200 what I'm saying, like this is kind of like the 0:33:57.320 --> 0:34:02.400 time because I'm gonna be honest, uh and i know 0:34:02.440 --> 0:34:04.000 what I'm about to say. It's not gonna be popular. 0:34:04.400 --> 0:34:06.400 But in the in the cities, people is kind of 0:34:06.440 --> 0:34:09.560 like they're done with the Joe Biden's like that's done 0:34:09.600 --> 0:34:12.719 with the with the Kmmona. It doesn't feel like there 0:34:12.760 --> 0:34:14.600 was any change, like you know, after a while, the 0:34:14.600 --> 0:34:17.640 first four years of Obama, we were the hood was happy, 0:34:17.760 --> 0:34:19.759 we were like and then the last four years the 0:34:19.800 --> 0:34:22.720 hood kind of comes like yo Obama where it's all black, 0:34:23.280 --> 0:34:26.240 where it's all black, you know, piece of something for 0:34:26.360 --> 0:34:29.520 something like it felt like Obama didn't do like like 0:34:30.040 --> 0:34:33.000 a black agenda that that was just for you know, 0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:36.800 black people to help us. Then now with k Commona 0:34:36.880 --> 0:34:38.920 coming in, were saying that and then we say, at 0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:41.600 least can we go get the girl from Russia. Right, Well, 0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:43.640 let me let me address that directly, because I know 0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:45.400 all the people you're talking about, I know Obama, no, 0:34:45.520 --> 0:34:53.520 Kamala Harris, the president, I mean, and I know you know. 0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:55.640 Let me say because I'm about to say some critical 0:34:55.640 --> 0:34:59.320 stuff now. The thing is is that Kamala Harris, however, 0:34:59.440 --> 0:35:04.280 as a sitting vice president, doesn't want to do something 0:35:04.360 --> 0:35:09.240 by a public intervention that will count negatively against Brittney Griner. 0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:11.239 So in other words, if they behind the scenes trying 0:35:11.239 --> 0:35:13.480 to work it out, you gotta ask yourself a question. 0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:16.920 Do you want the commercial or do you want the product? Right? 0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:19.160 Because you can get the commercial, Yes, come here and 0:35:19.239 --> 0:35:21.839 your teeth will be cleaning tomorrow, right or do you 0:35:21.880 --> 0:35:25.440 just not announced that and just have Quentin teeth war 0:35:25.520 --> 0:35:28.719 going on? It's the war going on. They're using her 0:35:28.800 --> 0:35:33.640 body as a war zone, and they are criminalizing her blackness, 0:35:33.640 --> 0:35:36.239 her queerness, and her Americans at the same time. So 0:35:36.560 --> 0:35:40.880 to Kamla to Comma, in commla's defense, vice President Kamala Harris, 0:35:40.920 --> 0:35:43.720 she can't say much right now because then the people 0:35:43.719 --> 0:35:46.040 over and rested get man, oh really up to the 0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:49.440 black woman saying crazy things? Now? We're gonna punish the 0:35:49.480 --> 0:35:52.200 black woman so that I give her a pass on. However, 0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:55.399 because the woman already got nine years, he's sentenced well 0:35:55.440 --> 0:35:57.880 ten years. At least she got ten years, but that 0:35:58.040 --> 0:36:00.520 she got ten years. And what they trying to do 0:36:00.600 --> 0:36:03.359 now is to negotiate a prisoner exchange so that they 0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:07.440 can release some real thug in America, some real criminal 0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:09.920 who did some horrible things in exchange for her. So 0:36:09.920 --> 0:36:12.280 they're trying to leverage her, and they're upping the anti 0:36:12.560 --> 0:36:14.760 The worst the war gets over there, the more critical 0:36:14.960 --> 0:36:19.920 America is of Russia in regard to keep and in 0:36:20.000 --> 0:36:22.399 regard to what's going on in the Ukraine, then her 0:36:22.440 --> 0:36:25.840 body becomes even more of a precious bounty to be 0:36:25.960 --> 0:36:28.640 used by Russia. But let me say this though, the 0:36:28.760 --> 0:36:31.840 same folk who mad now and I get it because 0:36:31.840 --> 0:36:33.640 I'd be telling black people to vote all the time. Well, 0:36:33.680 --> 0:36:35.839 it ain't working out, dude. A lot of stuff don't 0:36:35.880 --> 0:36:38.040 work out. A lot of stuff don't work out. You 0:36:38.040 --> 0:36:40.760 have to keep trying. I know you a first time person. 0:36:40.960 --> 0:36:43.799 The person I voted for didn't win, dude. That's the 0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:46.840 nature of the game, right. I made an album, it 0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:50.839 didn't sell five million Okay, making another one. All right, 0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:54.839 chiep working, go on the internet, up your profile. Where 0:36:54.880 --> 0:36:57.719 are white? Okay? So the point is right. So the 0:36:57.760 --> 0:37:01.279 point is that that the ain't black folk mad at 0:37:01.320 --> 0:37:05.640 Biden now, wasn't mad at Obama when Obama wasn't doing 0:37:05.680 --> 0:37:10.480 dead least for black people in this country. Now, I'm 0:37:10.480 --> 0:37:13.800 a person who was twice a surrogate for Barack Obama. 0:37:13.840 --> 0:37:15.880 That means I went out, I spoke for him. I 0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:18.160 told people to vote for him. I have no regrets 0:37:18.200 --> 0:37:21.560 about that. But the moment after each time he was elected, 0:37:21.760 --> 0:37:24.800 I was his critic. I was his critic because before 0:37:24.960 --> 0:37:27.360 you were president and after you president, I'm still on 0:37:27.400 --> 0:37:30.520 Michael Eric Dison, I'm still committed to black people. No 0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:34.799 one black journey is greater than the Black journey. Your 0:37:34.880 --> 0:37:39.279 individual life as a black person cannot outweigh outweigh the 0:37:39.360 --> 0:37:42.680 fortunes of black people. So I knew that Barack Obama, 0:37:42.719 --> 0:37:45.400 as important as he was, was not more important than 0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:48.120 the struggle of black people to become whole in this nation. 0:37:48.480 --> 0:37:50.279 And so yeah, here's the guy. They were putting them 0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:53.439 up on the posters with Martin Luther King Junior, Slow slow, slow, 0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:57.319 slow down with that slow down. As as Albert com 0:37:57.360 --> 0:37:58.759 You says, you got to go on the ground and 0:37:58.880 --> 0:38:01.359 rise up the third day before you get that kind 0:38:01.360 --> 0:38:04.680 of love. Bro, that's on some genius level, Jesus level. Love. 0:38:04.920 --> 0:38:07.480 It ain't really where you is now. There's a difference 0:38:07.520 --> 0:38:10.200 between Martin Luther King Jr. And Barack Obama. One of 0:38:10.239 --> 0:38:13.360 the civil rights leader standing outside the parameters of politics, 0:38:13.680 --> 0:38:16.640 challenging it from from without with his moral vision and 0:38:16.680 --> 0:38:19.840 his ethical courage. Another one is sent to be the 0:38:19.880 --> 0:38:23.759 black face of the white American empire. So the point 0:38:23.960 --> 0:38:26.600 is his job from the guinea that we knew was 0:38:26.640 --> 0:38:29.440 to represent America with all the good that that means 0:38:29.719 --> 0:38:33.640 and with all the self destructive nastiness that that brings us. Well, 0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:37.200 this man was in charge of the American empire, one 0:38:37.200 --> 0:38:40.279 of Nobel Peace Prize, while having two wars going on 0:38:41.600 --> 0:38:46.160 right like a motherfucker like you hustle. I'm a hustler 0:38:47.200 --> 0:38:49.759 when the rembers of the system ain't no telling what 0:38:49.840 --> 0:38:51.799 I drown him or I kill him, That's what they'd 0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:58.360 be asking. I'm a pimp blah blood. So that's a 0:38:58.640 --> 0:39:02.840 president uh imbut with moral principles. But anyway, but the 0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:07.880 point is. Barack Obama was a man who was given 0:39:08.120 --> 0:39:11.279 the responsibility and the reins of the American Empire at 0:39:11.280 --> 0:39:14.120 a very moment when it's fortunes were declining. That's when 0:39:14.120 --> 0:39:17.080 they always get negroes, the car keys. When the car 0:39:17.120 --> 0:39:20.279 ain't working, take it over to you know, Jiffy fix 0:39:20.400 --> 0:39:22.960 up and try to get the damn thing fixed, because 0:39:23.000 --> 0:39:25.359 oh it is a rose Roys, but it ain't got 0:39:25.400 --> 0:39:27.920 no engine that's working. Okay, So that's what they do 0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:30.600 to us. But Barack Obama was a genius. He figured 0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:34.360 out the American economy. He got people working again, He 0:39:34.440 --> 0:39:37.880 saved the automobile industry. He did amazing things, but for 0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:41.080 black folk, not so much. You know. I compare him 0:39:41.080 --> 0:39:44.040 to another different Shaquille O'Neil, whom I know y'all love 0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:47.359 and admire. Shaquille was one of the greatest ball players ever. 0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:49.759 Kobe said, had he had a certain kind of work ethic, 0:39:49.920 --> 0:39:51.400 he would have been the greatest of all time. So 0:39:51.440 --> 0:39:53.319 we know he was the most dominant big man of 0:39:53.360 --> 0:39:56.640 all time. But he wasn't a great foul shooter necessarily, 0:39:57.000 --> 0:39:59.400 So you can acclaim Shack as one of the greatest 0:39:59.440 --> 0:40:01.280 of all time. But don't put him on the category 0:40:01.280 --> 0:40:04.440 of greatest free throw shooters ever. Barack Obama might be 0:40:04.520 --> 0:40:07.440 top ten president for everybody else, but for us, not 0:40:07.560 --> 0:40:10.360 so much. He wasn't a top ten president for black 0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:13.719 folk because he would scold us. He would dog us 0:40:13.760 --> 0:40:16.600 in public. He would tell us stop feeding your kids chicken, 0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:19.279 and don't do this. Now. He's scolding us, but he 0:40:19.280 --> 0:40:21.800 ain't scolding white folks. The one time he tried and 0:40:21.880 --> 0:40:24.960 a tony fundraiser in San Francisco while he was running 0:40:24.960 --> 0:40:27.399 for president, he said, yeah, man, they get down I'm 0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:29.480 paraphrasing here, they get that juice on him when they 0:40:29.520 --> 0:40:32.280 get upset, and they get religion and neigg grab some guns. 0:40:32.320 --> 0:40:36.799 These white folks wore him out and never again did 0:40:36.840 --> 0:40:40.600 he ever attempt to be critical of white folks. But 0:40:40.760 --> 0:40:44.839 Negroes taken Negroes take abuse as a sign of love. 0:40:45.280 --> 0:40:48.920 Negroes take imposed trauma as a sign of respect. And 0:40:49.040 --> 0:40:51.200 so they felt that when Barack was doing at least 0:40:51.200 --> 0:40:53.279 he paying attention to me. Yeah, he beat me. It's 0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:55.920 like colored purple. He beat me because see, we like 0:40:56.120 --> 0:40:58.480 we like to We like the Oprah character. I ain 0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:02.439 Man's mess ceiling. I never thought in my own home. 0:41:02.880 --> 0:41:05.360 You're telling hard for to beat me. And so we 0:41:05.480 --> 0:41:08.320 have to say to black people, don't be like Donald 0:41:08.360 --> 0:41:10.880 Trump supporters. That's how we were with Barack. Now, I 0:41:10.960 --> 0:41:13.239 ain't saying Barack and Donald Trump are the same thing. 0:41:13.440 --> 0:41:16.840 Barack Obama is a genius, an incredible political figure, and 0:41:16.920 --> 0:41:19.440 a great mind. But he also was deeply and profoundly 0:41:19.480 --> 0:41:22.239 problematic for black people. Two things can be true at 0:41:22.280 --> 0:41:24.279 the same time, and so we got to hold him 0:41:24.280 --> 0:41:30.719 to a like what Kanye. Except you know, although now 0:41:30.800 --> 0:41:33.080 that you mentioned that, I hold Barack Obama at least 0:41:33.160 --> 0:41:36.400 a little responsble for Kanye. How do you say, because 0:41:37.000 --> 0:41:40.160 when when when Kanye did his thing with Taylor Swift, 0:41:40.360 --> 0:41:45.000 remember they called Barack Obama, he called him a jackass. Well, 0:41:45.040 --> 0:41:47.200 he had more courage than you, Barack. Maybe if you 0:41:47.360 --> 0:41:50.200 called out white supremacy from the bully pulpit of the 0:41:50.280 --> 0:41:53.960 most powerful platform in America and indeed in the world, 0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:56.239 the Kanye West of the world wouldn't have to call 0:41:56.360 --> 0:41:58.640 that kind of thing out. So calling him a jackass 0:41:58.880 --> 0:42:02.400 while you're sitting around being silent and complicit in the 0:42:02.520 --> 0:42:06.640 face of horrible transactions of anti blackness in America, wasn't 0:42:06.640 --> 0:42:09.480 a good luck either. But black people, we would Barack regardless, 0:42:09.480 --> 0:42:11.480 remember on Saturday Night Live. No matter what he did, 0:42:12.640 --> 0:42:14.440 we love him. And I understand that he was the 0:42:14.480 --> 0:42:16.640 first one white people that had forty four presidents. We 0:42:16.719 --> 0:42:19.640 had one. That's our baby daddy. We rolled in with him, 0:42:19.760 --> 0:42:23.359 and we love our apartment. Cutting you off. People said 0:42:23.400 --> 0:42:25.799 that he was the first black president. So he said, 0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:29.320 the Republicans always outvoted him, and so it was a 0:42:29.360 --> 0:42:32.680 little much that he can do. But then the very 0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:35.719 next president, even when he got outvoted by the Democrats, 0:42:35.760 --> 0:42:38.040 he did what the funk he wanted to do. Like, 0:42:41.680 --> 0:42:46.200 don't one before and after George. I'm gonna do what 0:42:46.239 --> 0:42:48.399 I'm gonna do the one after him. But you don't 0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:51.120 one in between the sandwich. You you know it reverse Oreo. 0:42:51.560 --> 0:42:54.120 You're the reverse Oreo cookie. You got two whites in 0:42:54.160 --> 0:42:56.160 the black on the middle, you know, and you ain't 0:42:56.160 --> 0:42:57.560 got no ice cream to put it in and no 0:42:57.680 --> 0:43:00.120 milk to dip it in. The point is this that 0:43:00.840 --> 0:43:03.480 when you're the president, bro, you know. Now, he did 0:43:03.600 --> 0:43:07.360 do some stuff in terms of executive decisions and executive 0:43:07.440 --> 0:43:09.640 orders and the like. There's no doubt about that. And yes, 0:43:09.719 --> 0:43:12.960 Barack Obama was in a precarious position back against the wall, 0:43:13.320 --> 0:43:17.480 deeply and profoundly uh fighting the forces of white supremacy. 0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:20.120 And he did an ingenious job in many ways. But 0:43:20.920 --> 0:43:25.280 here's my point. If you can't do something special folk negroes, 0:43:26.120 --> 0:43:29.360 don't do nothing special against them. Though, this is the problem. 0:43:29.520 --> 0:43:31.520 It's one thing for you to say I can't I 0:43:31.719 --> 0:43:34.839 can't acknowledge what I'm doing in a certain way. Look, 0:43:34.880 --> 0:43:36.520 I've been in the White House at a table that 0:43:36.680 --> 0:43:40.120 was about twice this size with Barack Obama and nine 0:43:40.160 --> 0:43:42.880 other so called negro leaders, and I shared with him 0:43:42.960 --> 0:43:45.640 my vision that was problematic. Now, I had a radio 0:43:45.680 --> 0:43:48.000 host say, Michael, you're writing a book on the presidents 0:43:48.000 --> 0:43:50.200 about two thousand and eleven and twelve. You're writing a 0:43:50.239 --> 0:43:52.160 book on the president. You're a very You're a famous 0:43:52.200 --> 0:43:55.240 black person with influence. You could really harm his chances 0:43:55.280 --> 0:43:57.879 for re election. Now he's said, right, I like, dude, 0:43:58.040 --> 0:44:02.000 I said, are you Nostra Thomas wrote the damn book here? So? 0:44:03.040 --> 0:44:04.800 And since I got kids, tell me how many books 0:44:04.800 --> 0:44:06.640 I myself? So I don't know how much money I 0:44:06.680 --> 0:44:09.600 can right, And Obama laughed him. He said, yeah, and 0:44:09.600 --> 0:44:12.160 he's sitting here eating my eating my food. Well, you 0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:14.000 might be the president, but you ain't as mean with 0:44:14.120 --> 0:44:16.719 this Mike is me homes So, without missing a beat, 0:44:16.719 --> 0:44:18.439 I said, yeah, I paid for about my tax money. 0:44:19.520 --> 0:44:21.160 And I said, based on what I'm paid, I'm gonna 0:44:21.160 --> 0:44:26.560 be here next week. Give me the menute. That's what 0:44:26.680 --> 0:44:32.440 I do, right. But but he said, look, I respect 0:44:32.520 --> 0:44:35.760 Michael because I said I disagree with you, Mr President. 0:44:35.800 --> 0:44:37.120 And I said to his face, I wasn't trying to 0:44:37.120 --> 0:44:39.400 backstab him to be nasty. I said, you believe a 0:44:39.560 --> 0:44:41.719 rising tide lifts all boats. He said, I wouldn't quite 0:44:41.760 --> 0:44:43.839 put it that way, but I understand your point. I said, 0:44:44.200 --> 0:44:46.040 when you go when you're sick and you go to 0:44:46.120 --> 0:44:49.759 the hospital, you don't get medicine. That's universal. That's something 0:44:49.880 --> 0:44:52.360 that's non that's non specific. I said, if you got 0:44:52.440 --> 0:44:55.239 a hangnail, you get asked him, if you've got diabetes, 0:44:55.320 --> 0:44:59.240 you get into it, if you've got if you've got cancer, 0:44:59.560 --> 0:45:03.480 you get hemotherapy. I said, medicines, like public policies, should 0:45:03.480 --> 0:45:06.120 be aimed at the ills they're meant to relieve. So 0:45:06.320 --> 0:45:09.040 you know, one size fits all. You got to we 0:45:09.200 --> 0:45:12.520 still black and citizens, if you're taking care of everybody 0:45:12.560 --> 0:45:14.560 else but afraid that if you hook us up. It 0:45:14.680 --> 0:45:16.520 looked like you're giving us a hook up in the 0:45:16.560 --> 0:45:19.560 White House right there? What is the advantage of us 0:45:20.239 --> 0:45:22.160 supporting you? And I said in the book, I wrote 0:45:22.200 --> 0:45:25.000 a three hundred semi page book, so I write books 0:45:25.000 --> 0:45:29.120 like Nigga's right hooks Right. So I put that down 0:45:29.840 --> 0:45:32.880 in the book. And I laid that down right in 0:45:32.920 --> 0:45:35.120 book number I don't know twenty six. I mean I 0:45:35.280 --> 0:45:37.120 lost count, but I'm still doing what I do. So 0:45:37.239 --> 0:45:40.359 the thing is is that I put it there careful analysis. Again, 0:45:40.480 --> 0:45:43.760 like what Kanye, I love Barack Obama. I respect Barack 0:45:43.840 --> 0:45:46.680 Obama right, but as in the guard Father, but I 0:45:46.760 --> 0:45:52.680 never trusting Okay, never trust right. So the point is 0:45:52.960 --> 0:45:56.200 I love Obama, I respect him, I supported him. I 0:45:56.280 --> 0:45:58.560 went out and asked people to vote for him. But 0:45:58.719 --> 0:46:01.520 we've also got a whole black leaders to account. We 0:46:01.600 --> 0:46:04.360 got to hold the Michael Eric Dyson's to account. We 0:46:04.440 --> 0:46:08.759 gotta hold every black public figure to account, not cancel him, 0:46:09.000 --> 0:46:11.320 not be nasty, not destroy them. And where I do 0:46:11.440 --> 0:46:14.839 agree with Kanye uh is in this cancel culture which 0:46:14.920 --> 0:46:18.080 is so destructive, Like you don't make no mistakes, like 0:46:18.160 --> 0:46:20.479 if somebody messes up and does something a white person. 0:46:20.880 --> 0:46:22.560 And Obama said this the other day, let me give 0:46:22.640 --> 0:46:24.560 him some kudos. He said, people don't want to think 0:46:24.560 --> 0:46:27.080 they're walking on eggshells. If they say one wrong thing, 0:46:27.200 --> 0:46:30.399 then they're done. You know that's this younger generation, y'all. 0:46:30.520 --> 0:46:32.840 I mean that ain't what I'm a Baptist preacher. Jesus 0:46:32.920 --> 0:46:35.239 have done. That the world would be dead right now. Right. 0:46:35.440 --> 0:46:38.120 People got to be forgiven for the mistakes they've made. Now, 0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:39.919 they got to know they made a mistake. Kanye gotta 0:46:39.920 --> 0:46:41.680 ADMITTI made it. And if he don't admit it, then 0:46:41.680 --> 0:46:44.279 we got to keep hammering him, hollering at him and 0:46:44.360 --> 0:46:46.439 trying to talk to him to get him to see 0:46:46.440 --> 0:46:48.759 a different way. So, for me, Barack Obama was an 0:46:48.760 --> 0:46:52.000 extraordinary president. But all the black people who blindly followed him, 0:46:52.360 --> 0:46:55.680 who didn't criticize him, not want to criticize Joe Biden. 0:46:55.960 --> 0:46:58.759 You wouldn't criticize your own You had a black man 0:46:58.840 --> 0:47:00.520 in there, who could I do the fact with you? 0:47:00.560 --> 0:47:03.000 What did Joe Biden do? He put a black woman 0:47:03.040 --> 0:47:05.239 on the ticket and gave her the vice presidency or 0:47:05.239 --> 0:47:07.560 allowed her to be elected, and he put a black 0:47:07.600 --> 0:47:10.840 woman on the Supreme Court. Barack Obama had three bites 0:47:10.960 --> 0:47:14.800 at the apple. He couldn't put one sister on the court. 0:47:15.040 --> 0:47:17.680 And you man at the old white man. That old 0:47:17.760 --> 0:47:21.080 white man has done more for neg roles in total, 0:47:21.480 --> 0:47:23.960 in terms of what he's trying to do, not perfectly, 0:47:24.280 --> 0:47:27.399 not without flaws, than a whole lot of black politicals 0:47:27.480 --> 0:47:29.919 who have not taken up the mantle of a black 0:47:30.000 --> 0:47:33.239 agenda or the interests of black people. So that's why 0:47:33.320 --> 0:47:36.160 we can be about no cancel culture and trying to 0:47:36.239 --> 0:47:38.600 get rid of people who we feel have done a 0:47:38.680 --> 0:47:41.120 wrong thing. I I don't want to be canceled. I'm 0:47:41.120 --> 0:47:42.759 a black man who's made mistakes. I try to be 0:47:42.800 --> 0:47:45.800 a feminist in identification with black women and white women 0:47:45.840 --> 0:47:48.319 and women of coloring throughout the world. But I mess up. 0:47:48.560 --> 0:47:50.560 Hold me to account, tell me where I did wrong, 0:47:50.760 --> 0:47:53.160 but allow me to step back into the arena and 0:47:53.280 --> 0:47:55.759 participate again. That's what we gotta do when it comes 0:47:55.840 --> 0:47:58.280 to race and class and gender and culture in this country. 0:48:01.000 --> 0:48:04.840 So I don't I don't have the numbers, and I 0:48:04.920 --> 0:48:07.200 don't know if this is I'm going to fulfilling right 0:48:07.520 --> 0:48:10.400 when Barack was back was in office, it felt like 0:48:10.440 --> 0:48:14.280 a lot more police killing of innocent black men happen, 0:48:14.560 --> 0:48:17.760 And it felt like a lot more a police killing 0:48:17.840 --> 0:48:22.720 innocent black men getting freed happened, getting getting of course, 0:48:24.200 --> 0:48:26.239 is that is that true? Well? Yeah, I feel that 0:48:26.440 --> 0:48:28.000 I share the same feeling. I wrote a book called 0:48:28.040 --> 0:48:31.640 Long Time Coming where I addressed the martyrs of this 0:48:32.040 --> 0:48:35.640 this movement, fallen martyrs, not intentional martyrs, martyrs because of 0:48:35.680 --> 0:48:41.040 their circumstance look or on the under Barack Obama. And 0:48:41.160 --> 0:48:44.919 here's the point. Let's let's put it this way. Given 0:48:45.000 --> 0:48:47.200 the rising tide of white supremacy, because you know, Barack 0:48:47.239 --> 0:48:51.640 Obama sent the meter of white supremacy off off the 0:48:51.760 --> 0:48:54.399 chart right here. It just went with Anita, went off 0:48:55.400 --> 0:48:59.759 the recording mechanism itself. It just went haywire. Because they 0:49:00.000 --> 0:49:01.880 needed him. That's why Black people still defending him. And 0:49:01.880 --> 0:49:04.080 I understand why because no matter what he did that 0:49:04.239 --> 0:49:08.520 was failed and flawed, the white supremacists out here are 0:49:08.640 --> 0:49:12.160 trying to kill him every day. The death threats against 0:49:12.280 --> 0:49:15.400 him were more than any other president, the harm and 0:49:15.520 --> 0:49:18.440 hate that he received, and he was so cool with it, right, 0:49:18.719 --> 0:49:20.560 I mean, the thing we love about him. He's like 0:49:20.680 --> 0:49:25.040 jay Z president. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. But 0:49:25.120 --> 0:49:26.920 we saw the effect when he came out office, how 0:49:26.960 --> 0:49:30.160 he looked, no doubt, I mean, there's no doubt. But 0:49:30.600 --> 0:49:32.640 you know, he was cool, he was calm, he's collected, 0:49:32.680 --> 0:49:35.480 he's doing this thing. But beneath there was a fire raging, 0:49:36.000 --> 0:49:39.400 and it was it was burning us. So they wanted 0:49:39.440 --> 0:49:42.839 to get Barack. Couldn't get him. Who can you get 0:49:43.520 --> 0:49:48.440 vulnerable black people? So he was Barack Obama was in 0:49:48.640 --> 0:49:55.319 one sense our iconic representative and we were his uh proxies. 0:49:56.000 --> 0:50:00.400 Can't shoot him, shoot us, can't kill him, kill us. 0:50:00.440 --> 0:50:02.640 I'm not suggesting there was some broad conspiracy that was 0:50:02.680 --> 0:50:04.800 conscious on the parts of white people. But that's the 0:50:04.880 --> 0:50:08.120 genius of white supremacy. It's an institution that operates on 0:50:08.200 --> 0:50:12.320 its own. But is the data show that there was 0:50:12.480 --> 0:50:14.400 more of it or was it always there and just 0:50:14.560 --> 0:50:17.640 social media and the access to film these things and 0:50:17.960 --> 0:50:19.960 bring it out more to las. I mean, that's that's 0:50:20.000 --> 0:50:22.880 partly true that it was. It was focused on in 0:50:22.920 --> 0:50:24.279 a way because you got a black man in the 0:50:24.280 --> 0:50:26.239 White House. You never had that before, you got a 0:50:26.280 --> 0:50:29.400 black man having to respond to black people dying and 0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:31.880 what will he say in Obama was tentative on some 0:50:32.000 --> 0:50:34.560 of that stuff. Right after Trayvon Martin. You know that's 0:50:34.560 --> 0:50:37.000 not a police killing, but it is a vigilante killing. 0:50:37.440 --> 0:50:41.080 After Trayvon Martin's death, after the jury, uh, you know, 0:50:41.880 --> 0:50:46.040 did what it did and let George Zimmerman off, Barack 0:50:46.120 --> 0:50:49.080 Obama says, the people have spoken. The jury is to 0:50:49.200 --> 0:50:52.960 be trusted. And that's what women, women bro with slow down. 0:50:53.160 --> 0:50:54.640 So he got to go to the crib. His kids 0:50:54.680 --> 0:50:56.560 are there, his wife's there. Then he comes up and 0:50:56.640 --> 0:50:59.239 makes one of the greatest statements about race. Because you 0:50:59.320 --> 0:51:02.160 gotta push PSI. Presidents ain't gonna never do what you 0:51:02.239 --> 0:51:04.919 don't make them do. Right. That famous story that Harry 0:51:04.960 --> 0:51:08.279 Belafonte likes to tell and others of f Dr. Fred 0:51:08.760 --> 0:51:11.840 Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the president having his black kitchen and 0:51:11.920 --> 0:51:14.799 cabinet with Mary McLeod Bethune and A Philip Brandolph. They 0:51:14.840 --> 0:51:17.400 were great leaders. Uh. She was the National Council of 0:51:17.440 --> 0:51:20.560 Negro Woman. He was the Brotherhood of Sleeping car Porters, tremendous. 0:51:20.600 --> 0:51:23.000 They were part of his informal cabinet meeting women the 0:51:23.040 --> 0:51:25.239 White House and and he and he listened to what 0:51:25.360 --> 0:51:27.359 they said, and he said, look, I believe everything he's saying. 0:51:27.520 --> 0:51:28.880 I go out in the streets and make me do it. 0:51:29.000 --> 0:51:31.360 In other words, create a social movement where I go, 0:51:31.920 --> 0:51:33.640 what was I gonna do? I mean, look at what 0:51:34.000 --> 0:51:38.239 the tidest turns. So presidents rarely do unless you make 0:51:38.320 --> 0:51:43.640 them do so. Yeah, Barack Obama exposed what was underlying there, 0:51:43.760 --> 0:51:47.799 and the technology caught up with the truth. The empirical. 0:51:47.840 --> 0:51:49.759 Empirical is just a big word to say that which 0:51:49.800 --> 0:51:53.400 can be falsified, to verify through the census, the cameras 0:51:53.480 --> 0:51:56.200 picked up. They no, no, no, that can't be true. 0:51:56.440 --> 0:51:58.479 There's just no way. Imagine if there was no camera 0:51:58.560 --> 0:52:03.120 for George Floyd, Dad another dad, nigga, We don't care. 0:52:03.920 --> 0:52:07.359 He was belligerent and he was nasty. The reason white 0:52:07.400 --> 0:52:09.840 people poured into the streets. I think that the numbers 0:52:09.920 --> 0:52:13.200 they did, they saw that video. First of all, it 0:52:13.280 --> 0:52:15.799 was COVID. That meant we were all at home used 0:52:15.800 --> 0:52:18.839 to watching stuff on our screen. Right five weeks before 0:52:18.880 --> 0:52:21.040 old men like me telling people get off that damn fault. 0:52:21.239 --> 0:52:25.879 Don't you talk to me face to face now with COVID, Hey, 0:52:27.600 --> 0:52:30.120 thank god, you didn't listen to me, and we're talking 0:52:30.320 --> 0:52:32.600 right now. So the thing is is that we were 0:52:32.719 --> 0:52:34.879 used to seeing things on screen and they were more 0:52:34.960 --> 0:52:37.640 alive and more colorful for us. Number one, number two, 0:52:38.600 --> 0:52:40.520 there were no more. But white people said, women, Hey, 0:52:40.680 --> 0:52:43.080 have we seen this film before? Didn't this happen like 0:52:43.160 --> 0:52:45.959 six years ago. We're a guy named Eric Garner out 0:52:46.040 --> 0:52:49.120 in uh, you know, New York, and he said, I 0:52:49.320 --> 0:52:53.600 can't breathe. Jiminy cricket. They were right. They keep saying 0:52:53.800 --> 0:52:56.440 us that what we don't believe that it still exists. 0:52:56.480 --> 0:52:59.760 And then thirdly, what they saw, there was no more excuse. 0:53:00.800 --> 0:53:03.719 He was running, he was trying to resist the rest, 0:53:03.800 --> 0:53:05.920 No he won, he was CUsing up, No he wan 0:53:06.320 --> 0:53:08.520 he was. He was being hateful and growing for a gun. 0:53:08.680 --> 0:53:12.120 No he wasn't. And they saw no more excuses, and 0:53:12.280 --> 0:53:15.600 they fled the streets. So yes, I think the cameras 0:53:15.640 --> 0:53:18.400 exposed it. I think the fact that a black president 0:53:18.480 --> 0:53:22.759 was there magnetized the biggots in this country. And Howard Thurman, 0:53:22.800 --> 0:53:24.799 the great mystic, said, the biggot is the person who 0:53:24.880 --> 0:53:27.240 makes an idol of his commitments. So they were committed 0:53:27.520 --> 0:53:31.160 to their vicious understanding of whiteness is dominant, and black 0:53:31.200 --> 0:53:33.919 people were messing it up and Obama was seen as 0:53:34.000 --> 0:53:37.120 a person taking their rights. Can you imagine white people 0:53:37.160 --> 0:53:40.200 who were upset with Obama and Obama was hooking y'all 0:53:40.280 --> 0:53:41.920 up in the way he ain't never hooked us up. 0:53:42.160 --> 0:53:44.960 He was giving y'all the keys to the kingdom, and 0:53:45.120 --> 0:53:48.200 you still hated him because the person handing you the 0:53:48.320 --> 0:53:51.279 keys was a black man. So in that sense, yes, 0:53:51.520 --> 0:53:54.360 it exposed what was already there. So it may have 0:53:54.440 --> 0:53:56.920 seemed to be more dense than happening more. But the 0:53:57.000 --> 0:54:01.120 reality is black life being lost is a constant in America. 0:54:01.440 --> 0:54:04.920 The hatred of black people, anti blackness is a constant. 0:54:04.960 --> 0:54:07.640 Which is why again not to keep harping on Kanye, 0:54:07.960 --> 0:54:11.319 why what you're doing is more than a ploy, it's destructive. 0:54:11.600 --> 0:54:14.520 How do you get produced by a people who, out 0:54:14.560 --> 0:54:18.920 of their loins delivered you into the world like Moses, 0:54:19.320 --> 0:54:22.000 protecting you so that you could one day rise up 0:54:22.080 --> 0:54:25.120 to lead your people through sonic you know, expression and 0:54:25.160 --> 0:54:28.279 asthetic expression and fashion and music for you to turn 0:54:28.400 --> 0:54:32.080 around and be Faro when you're supposed to be Moses. 0:54:32.480 --> 0:54:34.839 And what you do when you say white lives matter 0:54:35.239 --> 0:54:38.440 is that you turn into the very destructive enemy of 0:54:38.520 --> 0:54:41.960 the very interests that produced you. Now when you tell us, oh, 0:54:42.000 --> 0:54:45.160 I mean for black excellent stuff, that's a sideshow. The 0:54:45.400 --> 0:54:51.120 main theme is your destructive addiction to white supremacy and 0:54:51.719 --> 0:54:55.239 to anti blackness in your own mind. Let me let 0:54:55.280 --> 0:55:00.399 me ask you something. As a president, right, you're seeing 0:55:00.480 --> 0:55:04.160 these people are as multiple shootings of unarmed and innocent 0:55:05.040 --> 0:55:08.719 killings of black men, black people, period, because this woman 0:55:08.760 --> 0:55:14.560 in there, anyone not just say men. Isn't it How 0:55:14.680 --> 0:55:16.480 hard is it to just change the law that if 0:55:16.520 --> 0:55:20.160 you get caught killing somebody that's out of goddamn pisso 0:55:20.440 --> 0:55:23.799 that you automatically going going to jail, because then then 0:55:24.000 --> 0:55:27.000 I'm sure, I mean, I'm seeing people getting convicted now, 0:55:27.160 --> 0:55:31.080 seeing people. Uh. But he can't do that though, he 0:55:31.360 --> 0:55:33.120 wouldn't be able to change the No, he can't do 0:55:33.200 --> 0:55:35.879 that because most of all dictator now he's Donald Trump, 0:55:35.920 --> 0:55:38.520 he would think he could. But Barack Obama was a 0:55:38.600 --> 0:55:42.360 constitutional lawyer. He was a scholar of the constitution. He 0:55:42.480 --> 0:55:45.960 knew that way we can't go. So he can't know. 0:55:46.120 --> 0:55:48.880 He can't. He's a state laws, federal laws and law 0:55:49.040 --> 0:55:51.720 federal law and the people that you want to change 0:55:51.760 --> 0:55:54.880 it are invested in the very white supremacy that you 0:55:54.920 --> 0:55:56.640 don't want to talk about. Look at the police department, 0:55:56.680 --> 0:56:00.719 how was exposed. All these white bigots are in law enforcement. 0:56:01.080 --> 0:56:05.360 Some of them are in state legislatures, Republican state legislators 0:56:05.400 --> 0:56:09.239 maybe thirty eight to forty. Some of them are Republican controlled, 0:56:10.120 --> 0:56:14.880 which means that the local law will always mitigate against, 0:56:15.160 --> 0:56:18.920 militate against, go against trying to create laws that hold 0:56:18.960 --> 0:56:23.360 them accountable. Look at the notion of you know, you know, impunity, 0:56:23.520 --> 0:56:27.320 immunity that police people are granted. So now when you 0:56:27.440 --> 0:56:29.520 talk about the immunity that they are granted, that means 0:56:29.600 --> 0:56:31.600 even if they mess up and it proves that you 0:56:31.760 --> 0:56:35.040 proved that they kill somebody, well they're granted immunity because 0:56:35.080 --> 0:56:38.120 they were representing the state in this case, your cop. 0:56:38.480 --> 0:56:40.919 So Obama couldn't change that. But what he could change 0:56:40.960 --> 0:56:44.000 he didn't necessarily do, which has changed the rhetoric, which 0:56:44.000 --> 0:56:47.440 has opened your mouth. Yes, he convened the Police Committee 0:56:47.480 --> 0:56:49.759 and all that, but you got the bully pool pit, 0:56:50.120 --> 0:56:53.760 you got influenced. Kanye has shown you that you can talk, 0:56:54.440 --> 0:56:57.880 and by talk alone, you can change the atmosphere, you 0:56:58.000 --> 0:57:01.799 can change people's perception, you can influence them in deep ways. 0:57:01.880 --> 0:57:05.960 That's what the darn social media is about. Social media influencers. Yeah, 0:57:06.080 --> 0:57:08.759 got no power. You might be making money off of that, 0:57:08.880 --> 0:57:12.160 but you've got influence in the world to change people's perception. 0:57:12.400 --> 0:57:15.520 Obama had the biggest bullet pulpit in the world and 0:57:15.800 --> 0:57:20.280 often had to be pushed into saying something because of 0:57:20.400 --> 0:57:23.280 his own reticence to deal with race in America. And 0:57:23.360 --> 0:57:25.400 Trump took advantage of it and did use it like 0:57:25.880 --> 0:57:29.959 a But couldn't he have at least threatened and said 0:57:30.000 --> 0:57:34.400 you're listening from now on any law enforcement that it's 0:57:34.440 --> 0:57:38.680 called killing the innocent person. And maybe not just black people. 0:57:38.720 --> 0:57:43.680 Maybe obviously black people is the biggest part. But could he, 0:57:44.040 --> 0:57:46.439 like at least have threatened them. So so some people 0:57:46.480 --> 0:57:49.600 were feel feel scared, like the president said, they're gonna 0:57:49.600 --> 0:57:51.760 get me, because the first of all, they didn't respect 0:57:51.840 --> 0:57:55.120 him as president. He was already the most Look, it's 0:57:55.160 --> 0:57:56.720 like being the baddest man in the world when you're 0:57:56.720 --> 0:57:58.440 the headweight champion of the world. Right, whoever has that 0:57:58.560 --> 0:58:01.760 title is the baddest man in the world. Mike Tyson 0:58:02.080 --> 0:58:05.360 Lennox Lewis. You know, Tyson Fear, You're the baddest man 0:58:05.440 --> 0:58:08.240 on the planet, the heavyweight champion. You're the most powerful 0:58:08.280 --> 0:58:10.320 person in the world when you're the American President, the 0:58:10.560 --> 0:58:14.400 most powerful. And yet what they showed is that Obama 0:58:14.520 --> 0:58:16.920 had a lot of limitations on him. You might have 0:58:17.000 --> 0:58:19.960 been the most powerful in terms of theory. Right now, 0:58:20.040 --> 0:58:22.160 there are two theories. That's what you're saying in terms 0:58:22.160 --> 0:58:25.160 of theory, because it was crazy about that. You're saying that. 0:58:25.360 --> 0:58:28.000 But when it came time to kill Osama, he was 0:58:28.080 --> 0:58:30.320 in that room. He had that power. He said, I'm 0:58:30.360 --> 0:58:35.480 a Merkhan falling back on that A what a hell 0:58:35.520 --> 0:58:39.160 of fight. So no, no doubt. But he can control 0:58:39.280 --> 0:58:44.200 He can control that con that's the deep thing. You 0:58:44.280 --> 0:58:48.160 can control the killing of Osama. But you can't get Yokol, 0:58:49.120 --> 0:58:51.320 you can't get you can't get Obama boy over here. 0:58:51.440 --> 0:58:55.000 And they got he can again because that would be criminal, right. Uh. 0:58:55.320 --> 0:58:57.880 Some people already thought the killing of a so called 0:58:58.480 --> 0:59:01.560 terrorists was problematic enough, but can you imagine Obama turning 0:59:01.640 --> 0:59:05.160 that power against American citizens. That was his greatness, the 0:59:05.280 --> 0:59:10.520 refusal to to be seduced by the temptation to use 0:59:10.640 --> 0:59:13.360 and abuse your power in ways that are destructive of 0:59:13.400 --> 0:59:17.080 the American democracy. But on the other hand, uh, you 0:59:17.160 --> 0:59:19.320 could use your bully pullup it in ways that you didn't. 0:59:19.520 --> 0:59:22.480 I was about to say. They're two big theories of power. One, 0:59:22.560 --> 0:59:25.439 a guy named Max Weber, sociologist, talked about it as 0:59:25.600 --> 0:59:29.640 inherent in institutions, as hierarchies. You above me, this person 0:59:29.760 --> 0:59:32.400 is above you. They got there the big dog. Another 0:59:32.440 --> 0:59:35.720 guy named Michelle forhu co talking about power breaking out everywhere. 0:59:36.040 --> 0:59:38.400 It's lateral. So if you try to get up into 0:59:38.400 --> 0:59:40.560 the club and the bouncer won't let you in, he 0:59:40.680 --> 0:59:42.480 might not be president, but he got damn power over 0:59:42.520 --> 0:59:45.520 your life that night. And you ain't. You ain't going nowhere, son, 0:59:45.960 --> 0:59:48.840 and you with your girl, maybe I'll say I could 0:59:48.840 --> 0:59:50.560 get in, I could get in. I'm gonna show you 0:59:50.640 --> 0:59:54.000 the dude going like now take your b a and 0:59:54.120 --> 0:59:57.040 you ain't going nowhere. So that's power of who Coo said. 0:59:57.280 --> 1:00:00.600 And people exercise power against each other and laterally not 1:00:00.800 --> 1:00:05.200 just top down. So Obama had enormous forms of micro 1:00:05.400 --> 1:00:08.440 politics of Obama had enormous forms of power that he 1:00:08.480 --> 1:00:11.520 could have used to try to get America to think 1:00:11.640 --> 1:00:14.040 a different way. And when he was when he was, 1:00:14.480 --> 1:00:16.680 when he was inclined to do so, he did the 1:00:16.760 --> 1:00:19.760 famous race speech he gave in Philadelphia, the speech he 1:00:19.800 --> 1:00:22.800 gave it the fiftieth anniversary of the March on Selma 1:00:22.960 --> 1:00:25.440 when John Lewis got his brains nearly beat out of 1:00:25.520 --> 1:00:28.160 his cranium. So when Obama was willing to do so, 1:00:29.000 --> 1:00:31.400 he could do it, but he was loath to do so. 1:00:31.520 --> 1:00:33.080 He didn't want to do it. He didn't want to 1:00:33.160 --> 1:00:35.160 use his political capital that way. He didn't want to 1:00:35.200 --> 1:00:37.760 be ghetto wise and seen as a president only for 1:00:37.880 --> 1:00:41.120 black people. But dude, and the second term, especially black 1:00:41.160 --> 1:00:45.520 people gave him pass in the first one. See dude, 1:00:45.560 --> 1:00:47.720 you could paint the White House black, red, black, and gray. 1:00:48.280 --> 1:00:50.880 Another rumor, they were saying that he didn't want to 1:00:50.960 --> 1:00:53.640 legalize marijuana because he didn't want to be the black president. 1:00:56.280 --> 1:00:58.920 I'm sure well he didn't. They tried to get him 1:00:59.360 --> 1:01:03.800 to part Marcus Garvey, the great Marcus Garvey. Right. Guess 1:01:03.840 --> 1:01:10.120 who did I think Donald Trump? What right? Am I wrong? 1:01:10.400 --> 1:01:12.200 I think I said to be corrected, but I think 1:01:12.240 --> 1:01:16.000 Donald Trump partners considering partner. I think he did was 1:01:16.080 --> 1:01:18.560 considering partner. I think he did partner Marcus Guy, but 1:01:18.600 --> 1:01:20.680 he couldn't get Barack Obama to do it. And how 1:01:20.800 --> 1:01:25.240 is that gonna hurt the political Black Trump got colda blackout, 1:01:29.560 --> 1:01:31.640 you know what I'm saying. I'd rather be under the ground, 1:01:31.720 --> 1:01:40.240 put the flowers and people got out. Wow. Man. So 1:01:40.400 --> 1:01:44.040 the thing is is that And and Donald Trump met 1:01:44.280 --> 1:01:47.080 with the Congressional Black Caucus sixty days after he was 1:01:47.120 --> 1:01:50.240 in office. It took Obama nearly three years. So black 1:01:50.320 --> 1:01:53.920 people who are mad at white folks who uncritically and 1:01:54.120 --> 1:01:59.000 blindly expressed loyalty to Donald Trump don't see it closer 1:01:59.040 --> 1:02:01.680 to home. And they were doing the same thing for 1:02:01.760 --> 1:02:05.720 Barack Obama. Now again, we know Barack ain't Donald. We 1:02:05.800 --> 1:02:09.520 know Barack Obama is smart. He actually reads books, you 1:02:09.600 --> 1:02:13.960 know Constitution. He knows the Constitution. He reads things that 1:02:14.080 --> 1:02:17.200 he didn't write, and he interprets them with brilliance. But 1:02:17.360 --> 1:02:21.360 at the same time, the truth is that Barack Obama 1:02:21.520 --> 1:02:25.760 did not exercise the full range of his authority while 1:02:26.000 --> 1:02:30.520 in the office. And Black people loved him regardless, or 1:02:30.640 --> 1:02:33.200 the brothers on the street say, he're regardless. Do you 1:02:33.320 --> 1:02:36.160 think we're gonna have like and listen, I don't want 1:02:36.160 --> 1:02:39.520 to say this word. I don't want to say this word. Man, 1:02:40.400 --> 1:02:42.240 I'm gonna I'm gonna say you did whatever have like 1:02:42.320 --> 1:02:48.160 a legal president Richard Richard remember he was, he was, 1:02:48.240 --> 1:02:50.040 he was. He was doing there like, oh yeah, hey, 1:02:50.080 --> 1:02:51.800 I got a press converence because I'm trying to get 1:02:51.800 --> 1:02:54.320 away too. They were trying to kill me like Trump was, 1:02:54.440 --> 1:02:57.919 like he had like he would do. So I would 1:02:57.920 --> 1:03:02.680 say Trump was niggard to leave, let's just sh something. Uh, 1:03:03.040 --> 1:03:06.200 you know, and he's still calling, you know, according to something, 1:03:06.240 --> 1:03:09.640 he's calling black people nigger. He wasn't saying nigger, right, 1:03:09.720 --> 1:03:11.560 so he wasn't identifying with that. Now, first of all, 1:03:11.600 --> 1:03:13.880 that's off limits to you, Donald, That's not something you 1:03:13.920 --> 1:03:16.840 can be saying. Even you know, the great Marshall Mathers 1:03:16.960 --> 1:03:20.160 understood that. Even though I want to rephrase that, we 1:03:20.360 --> 1:03:24.000 we have a president that's black and that's hood. That's 1:03:24.400 --> 1:03:27.440 that's not to say that Barack can not from the 1:03:27.480 --> 1:03:30.080 hood or not from the hood. What I'm saying, whether 1:03:30.160 --> 1:03:32.720 or not, you know, you know, what I'm trying to 1:03:32.760 --> 1:03:35.160 say is like what the hood tendencies like, you know, 1:03:35.560 --> 1:03:37.840 I don't know if people remember as a Dave Chappelle's 1:03:37.840 --> 1:03:40.600 ski and Dave Chappelle was like, he was like, you 1:03:40.640 --> 1:03:43.720 know what, what what you like that from my wife? 1:03:45.920 --> 1:03:48.000 You ever, No, they could never get elected. I mean 1:03:48.080 --> 1:03:53.400 that's right. I mean, look, Obama wasn't the first black 1:03:53.480 --> 1:03:57.200 man to be capable of being president who was black. 1:03:57.640 --> 1:04:01.160 He's the first black man they allowed to be elected, right, 1:04:01.320 --> 1:04:06.120 Jesse Jacks Jackson, I mean the rhetorical genius of a 1:04:06.240 --> 1:04:11.360 Jesse Jackson uh receiving the baton symbolically from Martin Luther 1:04:11.520 --> 1:04:16.560 King Jr. And carrying it through the wilderness of white backlash, 1:04:16.680 --> 1:04:21.040 of anti affirmative action, of the culture of narcissism, of 1:04:21.160 --> 1:04:25.720 the hatred of black people, of white supremacist resurgence and recredescence, 1:04:25.760 --> 1:04:28.720 and still being out there doing this thing. He could 1:04:28.760 --> 1:04:32.960 have been president by far in the eighties. Oh yeah, 1:04:33.120 --> 1:04:36.600 right in the eighties. Surely chishoen running even before then. 1:04:36.840 --> 1:04:38.720 So yeah, there are other black people who were taking 1:04:38.760 --> 1:04:41.760 as the president by a boarded with Chisholm, right like that, 1:04:43.800 --> 1:04:47.720 like that, like that. But here's the point that to 1:04:47.840 --> 1:04:49.360 get a black person like that, it's got to be 1:04:49.440 --> 1:04:56.480 by stealth. You gotta be Whitney Houston and will always 1:04:57.040 --> 1:05:01.200 love you. Right, and then beneath you know, all y'all 1:05:01.200 --> 1:05:03.920 trying to cancel Whitney she ain't black enough. Oh she 1:05:04.080 --> 1:05:06.680 was really black in ways she couldn't even afford to 1:05:06.760 --> 1:05:09.920 say in public. She couldn't tell the truth about that blackness. Right, 1:05:10.160 --> 1:05:12.000 So you never know what people are doing, and we 1:05:12.040 --> 1:05:14.840 see black people have to signify, you know, on the surface, 1:05:14.880 --> 1:05:16.240 we had to be cool and come, hi, how are 1:05:16.280 --> 1:05:18.880 you fine? How are you? Yes, let's have dinner at 1:05:18.920 --> 1:05:22.080 the soonest, thanks so very much, bye bye now, And 1:05:22.120 --> 1:05:25.280 then underneath, like you know what's up? But to get 1:05:25.560 --> 1:05:29.880 to the stints, right, So, yeah, there's gonna be some 1:05:29.960 --> 1:05:32.440 great deal of signifying. But there are levels, as the 1:05:32.480 --> 1:05:35.600 great philosopher Meek Mills said, their levels to this. And 1:05:35.760 --> 1:05:39.080 the thing is is that, yes, I think. Look, Jackie 1:05:39.200 --> 1:05:41.840 Robinson was the first black ball player for the net 1:05:42.040 --> 1:05:45.480 you know, National, the major leagues. Jackie Robinson was a 1:05:45.560 --> 1:05:49.040 great ball player. He wasn't the greatest, but he was great, right. 1:05:49.520 --> 1:05:51.959 He was chosen not because he was the greatest Larry 1:05:52.000 --> 1:05:57.080 Doobie right behind him, uh Newcombe, Roy Nucombe. But he 1:05:57.280 --> 1:06:01.000 was chosen because his temperament was even when they stepped 1:06:01.040 --> 1:06:03.080 on his fingers, even though he wanted to break them off, 1:06:03.920 --> 1:06:07.520 he was kind enough, he was disciplined enough to stand 1:06:07.560 --> 1:06:09.880 back up. So he was chosen as much for his 1:06:10.080 --> 1:06:14.160 pr skills and as much for his ability to defer 1:06:14.480 --> 1:06:18.040 his anger, asked for his skills. But coming behind him 1:06:18.080 --> 1:06:21.280 was William Mays, arguably the greatest player ever and some 1:06:21.400 --> 1:06:27.919 would say Barry Bonds. So while Barack Obama was Jackie Robinson, yeah, 1:06:29.440 --> 1:06:32.160 pri steroids, he was the coldest. He was already, so 1:06:32.400 --> 1:06:34.280 that so let him in the hall, dude, because the 1:06:34.320 --> 1:06:36.320 stuff he did after he just had a bigger neck 1:06:36.360 --> 1:06:38.680 and he could hit longer, but he was still killing 1:06:38.720 --> 1:06:42.480 the ball before then. But my point is that Barack 1:06:42.560 --> 1:06:47.120 Obama is Jackie Robinson. Who were waiting for is Willie Mays. 1:06:47.840 --> 1:06:52.080 And Willie Mays will be a dominant, brilliant, capable president 1:06:52.360 --> 1:06:54.560 who's committed to Black people in a certain way, but 1:06:54.600 --> 1:06:56.400 he's still gonna have to disguise it. Let's be real, 1:06:56.680 --> 1:06:58.280 That's what I mean by Whitney Houston. You're gonna have 1:06:58.320 --> 1:07:00.560 to signify. But yes, I think there will come a 1:07:00.680 --> 1:07:04.720 point where a person who has historically been identified with us, 1:07:04.720 --> 1:07:08.680 who's not afraid because the culture allows him not to 1:07:08.720 --> 1:07:11.080 be afraid. Although that's that's that's a long way off 1:07:11.400 --> 1:07:13.680 to embrace his blackness. I mean, don't you think with 1:07:13.800 --> 1:07:16.200 Kamala Harris there's some of that going on, whom I 1:07:16.360 --> 1:07:18.920 knowing love, but you know, not wanting to appear to 1:07:19.000 --> 1:07:21.800 be too black on the one hand, and trying to 1:07:21.920 --> 1:07:24.320 appeal to a broader audience. At the end of the day, 1:07:24.360 --> 1:07:25.840 you got to be who you is, as the old 1:07:25.920 --> 1:07:28.120 lady said, be who you is and not who you ain't, 1:07:28.120 --> 1:07:29.760 because if you is, what you ain't you and what 1:07:29.880 --> 1:07:38.560 you're not. That was all that was. So I've been 1:07:38.960 --> 1:07:44.320 critical of this regime. I've been critical cap Kamaa, and 1:07:44.560 --> 1:07:48.280 I've been critical of a Biden. I think Biden it 1:07:48.440 --> 1:07:52.720 looks weak. I think he almost acts the crepit um. 1:07:53.320 --> 1:07:56.760 But besides all that, I feel like they don't come outside. 1:07:57.200 --> 1:07:59.400 I feel like I feel like, like like me, I'm 1:07:59.480 --> 1:08:01.960 used to see and presidents, I'm just seeing presidents going 1:08:02.000 --> 1:08:06.120 And I get COVID, I get all that, but it 1:08:06.240 --> 1:08:10.160 felt like it felt like even Bryan's a COVID. After COVID, 1:08:11.760 --> 1:08:13.600 I'm not seeing them, for lack of a better turn, 1:08:13.640 --> 1:08:15.920 seeing them in these streets. Yeah. See, this is what 1:08:16.520 --> 1:08:18.080 I'm not gonna speak for. Biden's gonna say to you, 1:08:18.400 --> 1:08:21.760 young man, I love your show, watch it all the 1:08:21.840 --> 1:08:28.960 time for my name. But at the same time, he goes, 1:08:29.080 --> 1:08:32.880 it's it's a bit up there. I'm trying to run 1:08:32.960 --> 1:08:36.800 the world from America and it's hard. I'd love to 1:08:37.200 --> 1:08:40.680 take off time and watch reruns of MTV raps, but 1:08:40.960 --> 1:08:44.240 damn it's rough out here. Now. Your point is, though 1:08:44.240 --> 1:08:46.360 about the pr side of it. Though, Hell fella, well, 1:08:46.439 --> 1:08:50.840 met Obama wasn't that real social? Bill Clinton was social? Hello, 1:08:51.000 --> 1:08:56.200 how are you? How are you? What? They said this, 1:08:56.320 --> 1:08:59.600 They said Obama was like a cat and and and 1:08:59.680 --> 1:09:02.400 Clinton was like a dog, no pun intended, So a dog. 1:09:02.520 --> 1:09:04.960 It would be a hundred people in the room. People 1:09:05.040 --> 1:09:06.960 love you. But the one person that don't the dog 1:09:07.040 --> 1:09:11.960 were like, don't the cat be like, you can take 1:09:12.000 --> 1:09:14.200 me to leave me home? I don't really give it 1:09:14.240 --> 1:09:17.360 an amp right, And Obama was like, look, it's good, 1:09:17.960 --> 1:09:20.160 I know what I'm doing. I'm gonna take care of business. 1:09:20.200 --> 1:09:22.400 If you like me, that's cool. If you know, check 1:09:22.479 --> 1:09:25.519 you later. So I think that Joe Biden is an 1:09:25.560 --> 1:09:28.760 older American trying to preserve his health, trying to in 1:09:28.840 --> 1:09:31.280 the midst of COVID, trying to get the job done. 1:09:31.360 --> 1:09:33.200 Let me tell you something about Joe Biden. I went 1:09:33.240 --> 1:09:34.920 to the White House. I was invited along with a 1:09:34.960 --> 1:09:38.240 few other scholars and historians to talk to him. So 1:09:38.360 --> 1:09:40.200 we did our presentation. I thought it was gonna be 1:09:40.240 --> 1:09:43.800 like eight of us, we're gonna present our give our presentations, 1:09:43.880 --> 1:09:45.880 and then he goes, Okay, great, thanks a lot, it 1:09:46.040 --> 1:09:49.400 was great, take a photo op and leave. After every presentation, 1:09:49.479 --> 1:09:52.720 this dude is giving fifteen minutes response. Do you think this? 1:09:53.120 --> 1:09:57.400 Uh when you set this uh Dr Dyson about you know, 1:09:57.520 --> 1:09:59.439 what was going on with civil rights in regard to 1:09:59.640 --> 1:10:02.519 LBJ and so. And he's asking serious questions and Michael, 1:10:02.560 --> 1:10:04.840 do you think this all of that? I'm going like, damn, 1:10:04.920 --> 1:10:06.080 we were only supposed to be to the hour and 1:10:06.080 --> 1:10:07.920 a half we met for damn there four hours. The 1:10:07.960 --> 1:10:11.639 man's energy was crazy. So I think that, Look, there's 1:10:11.640 --> 1:10:14.840 a there's room to be critical of all presidents. That's 1:10:14.840 --> 1:10:17.920 our job as American citizens. And you said you weren't political. 1:10:19.680 --> 1:10:22.880 Your job as an American citizen is to hold the 1:10:22.960 --> 1:10:26.200 people who represent you to account. You don't work for them. 1:10:26.960 --> 1:10:30.920 They work for you. That's why the police got it twisted. 1:10:31.120 --> 1:10:35.439 They think we're supposed to obey him. You work for us, 1:10:36.000 --> 1:10:38.000 and yet you're out here killing us. So I think 1:10:38.200 --> 1:10:40.200 I think Joe Biden is doing a hell of a job. 1:10:40.400 --> 1:10:42.519 He had a lot of stuff to clean up. Yes, 1:10:42.640 --> 1:10:45.360 he should be criticized like any other president, but I'll 1:10:45.400 --> 1:10:47.640 tell you, in terms of the strides he's made and 1:10:47.720 --> 1:10:50.040 the efforts he's made and what he's tried to do 1:10:50.800 --> 1:10:53.439 is pretty darn remarkable. And if you compare him to 1:10:53.720 --> 1:10:57.200 his black president who was he who for whom he 1:10:57.280 --> 1:11:00.800 was vice president, he hasn't done some stuff, man, In 1:11:01.000 --> 1:11:03.960 terms of substance that again may not look the same 1:11:04.080 --> 1:11:08.240 part cosmetically, but in terms of infrastructure, in terms of 1:11:08.320 --> 1:11:13.080 internal dialogue, in terms of politics, in terms of distribution resources, uh, 1:11:13.400 --> 1:11:17.160 it's far more powerful in many ways and advantageous to 1:11:17.360 --> 1:11:19.720 us than in previous Amabe. You got to think about 1:11:19.760 --> 1:11:22.519 it in comparison to Trump. That's what he doesn't look 1:11:22.560 --> 1:11:25.960 like he's outside, but politically he's outside. Trump was outside 1:11:26.000 --> 1:11:30.599 tweeting a but that's why he wasn't doing no damn job. 1:11:31.280 --> 1:11:34.280 He was tweeting all the time trying to get us 1:11:34.320 --> 1:11:38.120 and likes. You know, there was Again, I'm not big 1:11:38.160 --> 1:11:40.320 en up Trump because I have no room to pick 1:11:40.439 --> 1:11:42.720 up anybody on that side right now. But what I'm 1:11:42.760 --> 1:11:48.080 saying is I do not like Donald Trump. Like what 1:11:48.120 --> 1:11:50.320 I'm trying to say is I can go two weeks 1:11:50.600 --> 1:11:53.680 without hearing something about Biden or Camala. When Trump was 1:11:53.720 --> 1:11:56.280 in office, I couldn't go half an hour. Do you 1:11:56.360 --> 1:12:00.680 want the commercial or the product? And it's where looking too? 1:12:00.760 --> 1:12:07.320 Are you looking? Are you looking at like Twitter? Helon 1:12:08.240 --> 1:12:13.280 Elon Musk Twice I could go this week they were 1:12:13.400 --> 1:12:16.880 killing me. Yes, there now you can edit on Twitter now. 1:12:18.560 --> 1:12:29.200 But here's the thing. He said, I got your back. 1:12:29.280 --> 1:12:32.240 Yeah you got a knighte of it. Right. But but 1:12:32.360 --> 1:12:36.720 here's the thing. If they're in the house, the people's house, 1:12:36.800 --> 1:12:39.000 doing they work, although he's traveling and doing his thing, 1:12:39.360 --> 1:12:42.479 if he's trying to take care of business, that's what 1:12:42.720 --> 1:12:45.600 we want. We don't want the performative presidency. That's what 1:12:45.920 --> 1:12:48.880 Trump was doing, going around hell fella mail with a 1:12:48.960 --> 1:12:52.920 well met, shaking people's hands, kissing babies, grabbing. Okay, So 1:12:53.080 --> 1:12:55.400 the thing is is that is that this is what 1:12:55.520 --> 1:12:57.280 he was doing, but he wasn't doing the work of 1:12:57.320 --> 1:12:58.760 the people. First of all, he didn't know what the 1:12:58.840 --> 1:13:01.880 hell he was doing. His level of incompetence was amazing, 1:13:02.240 --> 1:13:05.920 his mendacity was astonishing. And at least what Joe Biden 1:13:06.120 --> 1:13:08.400 is doing is showing you one old white man can 1:13:08.520 --> 1:13:11.559 undo what another old white man did, and so let 1:13:11.720 --> 1:13:14.479 him do what he's got to do within and inside. 1:13:14.560 --> 1:13:16.960 That doesn't mean you can't hold him to account. But 1:13:17.160 --> 1:13:22.840 it's the flashy, conspicuous elements of political theater, uh that 1:13:23.040 --> 1:13:26.760 may be lacking in Biden, but the underneath it's like 1:13:26.920 --> 1:13:28.840 Jay said, now, I might not be saying like a 1:13:28.920 --> 1:13:31.559 bust of rhymes, but when you break down my lines, 1:13:32.400 --> 1:13:34.920 you see what I'm doing. And in that sense, when 1:13:34.960 --> 1:13:39.200 you break down what Biden is really about, it's been 1:13:39.280 --> 1:13:43.040 far more substantive in terms of policy. Barack Obama gave 1:13:43.160 --> 1:13:45.640 us my brother's keeper. You could have done that when 1:13:45.680 --> 1:13:48.439 you were out of office. Man, God dang, what were 1:13:48.479 --> 1:13:51.439 you you had power inside? Don't be giving us no 1:13:51.600 --> 1:13:57.080 damn Sunday School approximation of feel good black male ism 1:13:57.439 --> 1:14:03.400 give us a serious, systemic alter alternative to the productive 1:14:03.479 --> 1:14:06.439 forces of evil, hurt, and pain that are out there, 1:14:06.479 --> 1:14:08.280 and I think he missed the boat in many ways 1:14:08.320 --> 1:14:10.120 in that regard. Do you think Obama had to do 1:14:10.280 --> 1:14:14.080 raging in a white house? Yeah, man, this is what 1:14:14.200 --> 1:14:16.680 I want to see. I wanted to see Obama come 1:14:16.720 --> 1:14:20.760 out one day down you know, down the stairs and 1:14:20.840 --> 1:14:23.400 they come with a do rag on with a grill, 1:14:25.040 --> 1:14:29.000 with his terry cloth road and it's Magic Johnson's sucks 1:14:29.600 --> 1:14:36.240 and his slippers and go, yeah, I'm living in public house. 1:14:38.000 --> 1:14:39.760 That's what I do. Yeah, that's the best public house. 1:14:41.000 --> 1:14:44.000 But I feel living in public I mean. And then 1:14:44.040 --> 1:14:47.040 when he comes down, Air Force one, you know, was playing. 1:14:47.040 --> 1:14:50.360 I don't know what you heard about, but the right 1:14:50.640 --> 1:14:54.120 got a dollar right. I mean, look, let me let 1:14:54.160 --> 1:14:58.200 me be the anger translator if I can. Baptist preacher cussing. 1:14:58.200 --> 1:14:59.960 I'm giving you a warning. So if you want to 1:15:00.040 --> 1:15:02.960 turn your ears away, don't listen to this. I'm gonna 1:15:03.000 --> 1:15:06.120 be Obama's anger translator. So Obama was given a speech, 1:15:06.479 --> 1:15:10.240 his penultimate, that is, his next to last speech as 1:15:10.320 --> 1:15:13.400 the in the State of Union, and he goes, well, 1:15:13.479 --> 1:15:16.040 I have no more racist to run, and then of 1:15:16.120 --> 1:15:20.040 course the Republicans got yeah, thank god, and Obama have 1:15:20.120 --> 1:15:23.040 more racist to run because he was eight years he 1:15:23.080 --> 1:15:30.920 had to come out racists are as okay, racist run 1:15:31.000 --> 1:15:33.360 and then and then the promosas clapping. He says, well, 1:15:33.439 --> 1:15:36.240 that's because I beat you. Well, that's not not asking 1:15:36.360 --> 1:15:40.680 for the Niggarais presidency or at least the blackened catfish presidency. 1:15:40.920 --> 1:15:42.960 You know what Obama wanted to say, and allow me 1:15:43.479 --> 1:15:48.200 that privilege to say, look bit twice and if we 1:15:48.320 --> 1:15:58.400 had another election, we have that ass again. That's what obma. Holy, So, 1:16:00.040 --> 1:16:04.439 what happens in this crazy world? Right, because we've seen 1:16:04.600 --> 1:16:12.120 things crazier? Right? What happens if Kanye was I'm sorry, 1:16:17.320 --> 1:16:24.200 I didn't really Damn, I didn't know whatever, thinking I'm 1:16:24.280 --> 1:16:30.200 a ship, She's more like Florida. No, I didn't know. 1:16:31.520 --> 1:16:33.760 Let me tell you what I'd be like. I'm gonna 1:16:33.760 --> 1:16:36.120 answer your question. I was at the crib one day 1:16:37.200 --> 1:16:41.880 after having appeared on the Today's Show after the fourth 1:16:42.040 --> 1:16:47.599 fifth year anniversary of the killing of the folk involved 1:16:47.960 --> 1:16:52.040 Nicole and Ron Goldman. Right, uh so, I said, ain't 1:16:52.080 --> 1:16:55.360 nothing black on o J but the bottom of his shoes? WHOA? 1:16:55.640 --> 1:16:57.760 And I said, when when O J took that long, 1:16:57.880 --> 1:17:00.160 slow ride down the l A freeway in A. C. 1:17:00.360 --> 1:17:02.720 Collin's Bronco. It wasn't the first time he used a 1:17:02.720 --> 1:17:06.519 white vehicle to escape of black reality. Boom right. So 1:17:06.640 --> 1:17:09.680 I go home at data phone, rang phone, handed to me. 1:17:10.080 --> 1:17:12.439 Wife gives me the phone. She said, it's a call 1:17:12.520 --> 1:17:16.120 for you. I said hello. He said, do I call 1:17:16.200 --> 1:17:21.439 you Professor Reverend or Dr Dyson. I'm saying myself whole day. 1:17:21.720 --> 1:17:25.840 I said, you could call me Mike. Mike is fine. 1:17:26.360 --> 1:17:28.920 Most people who know me called me that, and it's 1:17:28.960 --> 1:17:31.360 all good. I was. I was a straight you know 1:17:31.479 --> 1:17:37.360 what I'm saying, because now I'm talking trash on today's show, right, 1:17:37.600 --> 1:17:40.759 I'm chilling them with the rhetoric. I'm giving them vicious 1:17:40.840 --> 1:17:45.840 vicissitudes in the midst of vituperation. I'm just smoking them 1:17:46.320 --> 1:17:48.880 right with big words. And then I came home and 1:17:48.960 --> 1:17:51.960 this food called me. I was like, huh yeah, he said, 1:17:52.000 --> 1:17:53.720 I want to come to your class. Okay, any time 1:17:53.800 --> 1:17:57.240 you want to, You're you could come. It's amazing. And 1:17:57.280 --> 1:17:59.280 I'm saying and I called Johnny Cock. I said, how 1:17:59.320 --> 1:18:02.200 do you get this? They grown my prone number. I said, 1:18:02.200 --> 1:18:04.439 you know that's oh, Jane, you know what he'd be doing. 1:18:04.479 --> 1:18:09.519 I'm just people are vulnerable. Right. So same with Kanye. 1:18:09.600 --> 1:18:11.640 I go, oh my god, I've had no idea. No, 1:18:11.920 --> 1:18:14.040 I'd have to stand against. I'd have to say, Kanye, 1:18:14.520 --> 1:18:16.479 if you're president and you do great things, I'm gonna 1:18:16.479 --> 1:18:18.960 support you and stand by you and show you love. 1:18:19.000 --> 1:18:21.160 And if you don't, I'm gonna be your worst enemy, 1:18:21.240 --> 1:18:25.360 your most convicted uh, you know, critic, and to say 1:18:25.439 --> 1:18:27.800 to you that now that you have political power, that 1:18:27.920 --> 1:18:30.720 you must exercise it prudently. See, here's the problem. A 1:18:30.800 --> 1:18:33.160 lot of hip hoppers who love Donald Trump loved him 1:18:33.160 --> 1:18:36.920 as an iconic figure in the cultural space. You got 1:18:36.960 --> 1:18:39.599 a bunch of money, he floss and he's our kind 1:18:39.600 --> 1:18:42.040 of dude, even as he hated Negroes at the same time. 1:18:42.360 --> 1:18:44.840 Just just keep that clear. So they're already got a 1:18:44.880 --> 1:18:48.599 problematic relationship with him, but now that he switches over 1:18:49.040 --> 1:18:51.320 to president, they have a hard time, some of them 1:18:51.640 --> 1:18:54.679 trying to make that transition. He is now the president 1:18:54.800 --> 1:18:57.479 of the United States of America. He is wilding power 1:18:57.560 --> 1:19:00.400 against the masses of black people. He's using his bully 1:19:00.479 --> 1:19:06.320 pulpit to demonize Mexicans, Muslims, queer people, and the like. 1:19:06.720 --> 1:19:09.960 We canna, we can have no truck with a guy 1:19:10.080 --> 1:19:12.760 like that. Kanye West, should he win, has to be 1:19:12.840 --> 1:19:16.920 opposed if he puts fourth policies rhetoric um that is 1:19:16.960 --> 1:19:19.160 destructive to American If he's doing what he's doing, now, 1:19:19.760 --> 1:19:24.080 we got to organize vigorously against his presidency. But what 1:19:24.160 --> 1:19:27.719 if he changes his ideologies and he calls you and says, 1:19:27.920 --> 1:19:30.880 I want you to be my running me. Yeah, I'm 1:19:30.880 --> 1:19:35.880 gonna run from him, but I'm gonna run from him. 1:19:36.000 --> 1:19:37.800 I got to see proof. I got to see. I 1:19:37.880 --> 1:19:41.000 got to see thirty days. I got to see thirty 1:19:41.040 --> 1:19:46.080 straight days. Are you just going I can't, no, dog, no, no, no, 1:19:46.360 --> 1:19:48.360 I got no. I got to know. First of all, 1:19:48.360 --> 1:19:50.400 it ain't gonna happen. And if it did, I'd say, Oh, 1:19:50.479 --> 1:19:52.800 they are far better people than me, sir. I am 1:19:52.920 --> 1:19:55.479 just a little minion out here doing my thing. But no, 1:19:55.920 --> 1:19:57.920 I mean, my job as a public intellectual and the 1:19:57.960 --> 1:20:00.880 cultural critic is to stand outside the amateurs of power, 1:20:01.600 --> 1:20:06.200 relatively speaking, and to offer a prudential insight and judgment 1:20:06.600 --> 1:20:12.120 about the forces of American white supremacy, social injustice, economic inequality. 1:20:12.360 --> 1:20:14.559 I stand for the masses of people who are vulnerable, 1:20:14.560 --> 1:20:16.760 whose backs are against the wall. So at that level, 1:20:16.840 --> 1:20:18.840 I can never go inside. So many people approached me, 1:20:18.960 --> 1:20:22.200 Dr Dyson, can you come in and run for the office. Now, 1:20:22.280 --> 1:20:23.919 I don't want to do that. I want to maintain 1:20:24.080 --> 1:20:27.920 my what Kanye says, independence of thought that allows me 1:20:28.000 --> 1:20:30.680 to support who I think needs supporting, but to be 1:20:30.760 --> 1:20:34.040 critical at the same time. And do we speak about 1:20:34.080 --> 1:20:35.880 the Bill More after Bill More used the in word 1:20:35.920 --> 1:20:37.760 and you came no, no, no, we didn't talk about 1:20:37.760 --> 1:20:40.680 speak about that too, because I thought, what you what 1:20:40.840 --> 1:20:43.680 you spoke with the Bill after that? Because we all 1:20:44.120 --> 1:20:47.360 see the joke that Bill made right, Um it was 1:20:47.439 --> 1:20:52.280 a white guy, white guy on the show and said, man, Bill, 1:20:52.280 --> 1:20:53.920 you gotta come on the field with me and build more, 1:20:54.000 --> 1:20:56.600 which was I really liked this man prior to this 1:20:57.080 --> 1:20:58.920 and I saw I saw it live. This is this 1:20:59.120 --> 1:21:02.639 wasn't a feed. I was Friday night watching Bill More 1:21:03.920 --> 1:21:06.760 Become on Friday tm PM on the East Coast and 1:21:06.840 --> 1:21:08.360 I got to hear him make this joke and he 1:21:08.479 --> 1:21:13.720 was like, um, he was like, uh, said you gotta 1:21:13.760 --> 1:21:15.320 come out here on the field with me and Bill 1:21:15.400 --> 1:21:17.880 Moore goals he goes, hey, man, I'm a house nigger, 1:21:18.320 --> 1:21:21.240 and it was like Honestly, I kind of got it, 1:21:21.600 --> 1:21:24.280 but I was like, oh, they're gonna fry him. I said, 1:21:24.640 --> 1:21:27.240 I knew it. I knew, I knew that was gonna 1:21:27.240 --> 1:21:31.320 fry Bill More. One of his guests coming up afterwards 1:21:31.400 --> 1:21:35.120 were that was black. Were you and were ice cu 1:21:35.720 --> 1:21:39.040 right right? Simone Sanders? Three of us? So yeah, three 1:21:39.080 --> 1:21:42.639 for the price of one. Yeah. Well, you know, Al 1:21:42.720 --> 1:21:44.640 Frankin was supposed to be the lead guest, because I 1:21:44.680 --> 1:21:46.760 was the lead guest on the show. Al Frankin said, 1:21:46.800 --> 1:21:48.800 let Michael Rick Dyson do that. I'm not trying to 1:21:48.880 --> 1:21:51.720 really be involved with that right now. Thanks to Al, 1:21:51.920 --> 1:21:56.160 that's very white of you. So I went, look, Bill 1:21:56.200 --> 1:21:59.120 Mars a friend of mine. We we we argue like 1:21:59.240 --> 1:22:02.000 cats and dogs. We agree about a lot, we disagree 1:22:02.040 --> 1:22:05.559 about a lot. But I knew that he made a mistake. 1:22:06.120 --> 1:22:10.240 He owned up to that mistake, He took a serious 1:22:10.640 --> 1:22:13.679 cognizant of that, cognizance of that mistake, and he wanted 1:22:13.720 --> 1:22:16.400 to address it. So as a friend of his, yes, 1:22:16.600 --> 1:22:19.519 I felt compelled to go there, uh, to hold him 1:22:19.520 --> 1:22:21.320 to account. First of all, that what you did is wrong. 1:22:21.479 --> 1:22:24.519 You can't white people can never use that term. Period. 1:22:24.840 --> 1:22:27.360 Let me give white people listening a rule of thumb 1:22:27.400 --> 1:22:30.479 when you can use the N word. Never Right now, 1:22:30.800 --> 1:22:33.760 I'll make one exception. If white people want to use 1:22:33.800 --> 1:22:36.200 that word, I'll give you a twenty four hour pass. 1:22:36.800 --> 1:22:40.840 If you transfer all wealth from white America to Black 1:22:40.880 --> 1:22:43.640 America every dime for twenty four hours, you can go 1:22:45.680 --> 1:22:48.720 right after that. It's done. It ain't gonna happen, right 1:22:49.120 --> 1:22:51.360 So the point is that I knew Bill Maher had 1:22:51.400 --> 1:22:55.120 made a mistake. I believe he had often pummeled the 1:22:55.200 --> 1:22:59.000 forces of white supremacy, jammed up the very forces that 1:22:59.120 --> 1:23:02.120 were hurting in arming black people. So I didn't think 1:23:02.200 --> 1:23:05.679 that we should cast away an ally again, cancel culture. 1:23:06.080 --> 1:23:09.480 I didn't believe we should cancel him, hold him to account, absolutely, 1:23:09.720 --> 1:23:12.360 tell him what he did is wrong. Absolutely, tell him 1:23:12.439 --> 1:23:15.280 that what he did was destructive and harmful in certain ways, 1:23:15.520 --> 1:23:18.200 and make that plain, as Ice Cube did, as Simone 1:23:18.280 --> 1:23:22.240 Sanders did, as I tried to then allow him to 1:23:22.360 --> 1:23:28.160 return chastened by his uh if you will, conspicuous, uh, 1:23:29.120 --> 1:23:32.200 if you will, punishment. But more than that, it wasn't 1:23:32.240 --> 1:23:35.479 in punishment. It was really instruction and trying to share 1:23:36.080 --> 1:23:38.080 a podium with a person who had made a mistake, 1:23:38.160 --> 1:23:40.360 but who was willing to try to confront it. And 1:23:40.439 --> 1:23:43.400 that's why I looked when Farrell, speaking of Farrell called 1:23:43.400 --> 1:23:46.160 me up one day and he said, hey, Doc, I 1:23:46.240 --> 1:23:50.000 got some some black lawmakers over here in Virginia because 1:23:50.000 --> 1:23:51.760 he's from Virginia. I want to know what to do 1:23:52.360 --> 1:23:56.320 about the Governor Northam who had done the black face. 1:23:56.920 --> 1:23:59.559 Should we stand against him, should we oppose him, should 1:23:59.600 --> 1:24:01.640 be staying him? And so I said, I'll meet with him. 1:24:01.640 --> 1:24:03.000 I met with him, and they said, Doc, what do 1:24:03.080 --> 1:24:05.400 you think. I said, don't get rid of the dude. 1:24:05.960 --> 1:24:08.920 Nothing better than a white guy who can be forgiven 1:24:08.960 --> 1:24:11.720 into his greatness. Nothing better than a white guy who 1:24:11.720 --> 1:24:14.080 has made a mistake, who's conscious of that mistake and 1:24:14.240 --> 1:24:16.960 is willing to try to right what is wrong. So 1:24:17.360 --> 1:24:19.320 I said, if you do the right thing with Northam, 1:24:19.840 --> 1:24:22.519 he is the governor right now. And look, let's be real. 1:24:22.720 --> 1:24:24.800 He first admitted, yeah, I was trying to do with 1:24:24.880 --> 1:24:27.680 Michael Jackson, you know, invitation, and he says, you want 1:24:27.680 --> 1:24:30.320 me to do the dance? Now? His wife said, seriously, 1:24:32.000 --> 1:24:35.240 you nut right, No, that is not the move. But 1:24:35.560 --> 1:24:37.360 he was going to admit it first. But there's no 1:24:37.560 --> 1:24:39.559 room in this culture to admit you made him six. 1:24:39.600 --> 1:24:41.639 So we had to lie and say no, I didn't, 1:24:41.680 --> 1:24:43.160 I didn't. That wasn't me. You know. It was the 1:24:43.200 --> 1:24:47.080 shaggy defense. Right. But at the same time, you know, 1:24:47.360 --> 1:24:50.000 he was a twenty years ago? Was twenty years ago? 1:24:50.120 --> 1:24:53.400 Has he changed? Has he evolved? Does he have new understandings? 1:24:53.439 --> 1:24:55.760 Does he have a new standard? Has he admitted that 1:24:55.840 --> 1:24:57.519 what he did was wrong and if he couldn't admit 1:24:57.600 --> 1:25:02.040 it in public, has he made stri nights toward transformation? 1:25:02.439 --> 1:25:06.680 So when he said right that that wasn't me. But 1:25:07.439 --> 1:25:09.160 but at the same time, he was trying to make 1:25:09.280 --> 1:25:13.400 good on what was going on in that state. I 1:25:13.600 --> 1:25:16.240 told the black lawmakers, if you forgive him and stand 1:25:16.360 --> 1:25:19.160 with him, this man might turn into Abraham Lincoln. And 1:25:19.240 --> 1:25:21.120 what did he do first? One of the first things 1:25:21.200 --> 1:25:25.479 he did was forgive uh ten thousand felons, uh, you know, 1:25:25.880 --> 1:25:29.760 so that allowed them to vote again. He restored their rights, 1:25:30.200 --> 1:25:33.960 He worked with black maternal healthcare. He pulled down the 1:25:34.160 --> 1:25:37.599 Robert E. Lee statue. This man went on a tear 1:25:38.040 --> 1:25:42.280 all because he wasn't canceled, but he was forgiven. He 1:25:42.479 --> 1:25:45.880 was integrated back into the community as a whole figure, 1:25:46.240 --> 1:25:49.760 and he was allowed to exercise his gifts because now 1:25:49.880 --> 1:25:52.880 he understood that what had happened then was wrong. So 1:25:53.120 --> 1:25:55.400 that's why I believe in forgiveness. I'm sorry, I'm a 1:25:55.439 --> 1:25:59.200 Baptist preacher. I believe if you mess up, you fess up, 1:25:59.560 --> 1:26:02.040 your dress us up, and then you go into the 1:26:02.080 --> 1:26:06.920 world doing the best you can. I mean, what's what's 1:26:06.960 --> 1:26:09.680 that saying in the Bible? Who cast the first one? With? 1:26:09.920 --> 1:26:11.920 What is that? What's that? What he who was without 1:26:12.000 --> 1:26:14.960 saying cast the first? Done right? And then a lot 1:26:14.960 --> 1:26:17.400 of people have throwing stones living in glass houses. It 1:26:17.439 --> 1:26:19.280 ain't a good look. So let me ask you, as 1:26:19.320 --> 1:26:24.400 being a minister, how can you be a minister but 1:26:24.560 --> 1:26:28.439 still love hip hop so much? Man? Yeah, it's just look, 1:26:29.200 --> 1:26:36.960 it's rough. I don't know he's bros. Look, I'm afraid 1:26:37.000 --> 1:26:39.519 of hip hop. I was a teen father they start 1:26:39.520 --> 1:26:41.479 before hip hop. How could I be a preacher and 1:26:41.600 --> 1:26:45.519 get a woman pregnant? I was eighteen, she was six. Yes, 1:26:45.600 --> 1:26:52.400 those hidden skills are amazing, So so got a pregnant. 1:26:52.560 --> 1:26:54.720 I ain't said it was a shotgun wedding, but a 1:26:54.800 --> 1:26:59.600 revolver was in the room. So we got married and 1:26:59.640 --> 1:27:02.200 then wars. Right. So I had a son, and I'm 1:27:02.240 --> 1:27:05.479 eighteen years old with a baby. I got to teach him. 1:27:05.640 --> 1:27:08.040 I gotta listen to the music he's listening to. After police, 1:27:08.120 --> 1:27:10.840 coming straight from the underground. A young nigger got it bad, 1:27:10.880 --> 1:27:13.680 cousin brown and not the other color. So police think 1:27:13.880 --> 1:27:16.040 they have the authority to kill a minority. I got 1:27:16.120 --> 1:27:18.240 a little I was blasting out. I was a seminary 1:27:18.280 --> 1:27:21.720 professor in Hartford, blasting after police. So you can tell 1:27:21.800 --> 1:27:26.000 I'm Irreverend Michael Eric Dyson. Right. I've never been on um, 1:27:26.640 --> 1:27:31.000 the side of black religion that is so observant to 1:27:31.040 --> 1:27:35.640 protocol that it undercuts the ability to be redemptive or transformative. 1:27:35.680 --> 1:27:38.640 I believe black people who believe in God know the 1:27:38.760 --> 1:27:41.880 frailty of our humanity, are and more intimately acquainted with 1:27:42.000 --> 1:27:44.559 our own sin, which is why we should forgive others 1:27:44.920 --> 1:27:48.200 their sins. An old preacher told me once. He said, 1:27:48.240 --> 1:27:50.800 young man, Uh, it's easy for a young preacher to 1:27:50.920 --> 1:27:54.559 damn the you know, humanity on the heat pile of sin, 1:27:54.920 --> 1:27:56.840 he said. But the older I get, the more I 1:27:57.040 --> 1:28:00.240 learned that you gotta offer forgiveness, he said, and give east. 1:28:00.240 --> 1:28:02.479 And maybe because I need more of it myself. So 1:28:02.680 --> 1:28:05.080 as I've evolved, I've learned that we need grace. But 1:28:05.280 --> 1:28:08.640 hip hop has been an extraordinary extension of some of 1:28:08.720 --> 1:28:11.960 the prophetic traditions of the Black Church that the Black 1:28:12.040 --> 1:28:15.720 Church used to talk about social injustice, racial inequality. When 1:28:15.840 --> 1:28:19.160 Jay says, you know, Ben Laden been happening in Manhattan 1:28:19.240 --> 1:28:22.479 back when, back then police was alkina the black men, right, 1:28:22.880 --> 1:28:26.160 I felt that I heard that right when nas it's 1:28:26.200 --> 1:28:28.000 only right that I was born to use mikes and 1:28:28.080 --> 1:28:30.000 the stuff that I write, it's even tough of the dice. 1:28:30.080 --> 1:28:32.479 I'm taking rap into a new plateau through rap slow. 1:28:32.680 --> 1:28:36.400 I felt that right, Um, I felt KRS one, you know, 1:28:36.960 --> 1:28:40.400 and and how many seconds of philosopher will begin to speak? Right? 1:28:40.760 --> 1:28:43.600 So I felt that they at their best represented the 1:28:43.720 --> 1:28:48.439 powerful expression of Black struggle for social justice. And in 1:28:48.520 --> 1:28:50.120 the beginning, I know, Fat Joe took a lot of 1:28:50.160 --> 1:28:54.120 heat on this. Black and Latino culture produced hip hop 1:28:54.479 --> 1:28:57.200 at its very roots and beginnings. Right, All kind of 1:28:57.240 --> 1:29:00.200 scholarship has done about this. This is why I think 1:29:00.240 --> 1:29:04.920 it's important again for Kanye and other people talk to scholars. 1:29:05.200 --> 1:29:06.760 There are a lot of scholars out here who love 1:29:06.880 --> 1:29:09.040 hip hop There are a lot of intelligent Black people 1:29:09.080 --> 1:29:11.360 with pH d s. And I'm not saying that all 1:29:11.439 --> 1:29:14.040 intelligent people have to have PhDs because jay Z is 1:29:14.040 --> 1:29:16.080 one of the greatest geniuses I've ever met and didn't 1:29:16.080 --> 1:29:19.519 graduate high school nas went to eighth grade. Uh, Little Wayne, 1:29:19.560 --> 1:29:21.080 and I can go on and on and on, but 1:29:21.160 --> 1:29:25.120 those are outliers. The rest of y'all outlying, and what 1:29:25.280 --> 1:29:30.599 y'all need to do? Okay, come on, respecting jokes, respecting joke, 1:29:31.160 --> 1:29:37.160 Respect these jokes. So so, the thing is, though, is 1:29:37.240 --> 1:29:43.080 that less not undervalue education, not schooling. Schooling is the 1:29:43.160 --> 1:29:48.240 institutional matrix that receives the impulse to learn. Education means 1:29:48.360 --> 1:29:51.000 I'm curious about the world in which I live, and 1:29:51.080 --> 1:29:54.600 I'm gonna read and dig deep and think and I 1:29:54.720 --> 1:29:58.000 think again. For Kanye, there are so many brilliant Black 1:29:58.040 --> 1:30:00.280 people out here. Why is it that black people have 1:30:00.439 --> 1:30:04.479 our entertainers as our spokespeople because of white supremacy, because 1:30:04.520 --> 1:30:08.960 they only allowed entertainers and athletes to represent us. Hey, 1:30:09.040 --> 1:30:11.160 we like them. We like the Jackie Robinson's, we like 1:30:11.320 --> 1:30:13.880 the well not so much Jack Johnson's. We like the 1:30:14.000 --> 1:30:17.600 Joe Lewis has, we like the you know Louis armstrongs, 1:30:17.640 --> 1:30:20.440 we liked the Pearl Bailey's, we like the Ella Fitzgerald. 1:30:20.479 --> 1:30:25.519 So they were allowed into spaces that we couldn't get into. So, 1:30:25.600 --> 1:30:29.440 as a result of that, white supremacy mandated our spokesmen 1:30:29.720 --> 1:30:35.560 and women be celebrities who had received the kind of 1:30:35.680 --> 1:30:41.439 impromoter of acceptance by white folk. So ain't nobody looking 1:30:41.520 --> 1:30:44.760 toward Miley Cyrus to be a spokespeople for young white 1:30:44.800 --> 1:30:48.960 folks Britney spears for surely not. But the point is 1:30:49.120 --> 1:30:51.200 we got young people who don't know a damn thing 1:30:51.240 --> 1:30:53.519 about history. And look, you know, I love hipp and 1:30:53.560 --> 1:30:55.479 I might answer that, but if you don't know what 1:30:55.720 --> 1:30:58.639 in the hell you talking about, be quiet. The great 1:30:58.680 --> 1:31:02.280 philosopher vic Innstein said, where every one cannot speak, there 1:31:02.280 --> 1:31:04.439 if one must be silent. In other words, shut your 1:31:04.520 --> 1:31:06.719 damn mouth. If you don't know what you're talking about. 1:31:06.880 --> 1:31:09.479 And when they come to ask you what's going on, 1:31:10.120 --> 1:31:12.320 say let me get back to you, because I'm gonna 1:31:12.360 --> 1:31:15.320 go call somebody who I know on speed dial and 1:31:15.479 --> 1:31:18.240 get they insight so they can help us out. So 1:31:18.360 --> 1:31:21.519 I think that's necessary. Look, I ain't know, I ain't 1:31:21.560 --> 1:31:23.880 no rapper or even though I got bars, I write 1:31:25.800 --> 1:31:32.080 I got bars and alcoholics six But I do what 1:31:32.200 --> 1:31:35.160 I do. But I'm saying I don't. I don't rap 1:31:35.240 --> 1:31:38.280 out on sing out on dance, but god dang it, 1:31:38.439 --> 1:31:42.160 I do think this is what I do, and black 1:31:42.240 --> 1:31:44.960 people should take advantage of that. That doesn't mean everythinking 1:31:45.000 --> 1:31:47.599 black person is gonna agree with every other thinking black person. 1:31:48.000 --> 1:31:50.559 That's what it means. No, we're independent, we're critical. We're 1:31:50.560 --> 1:31:53.439 self critical, uh sometimes too much. So that's why some 1:31:53.680 --> 1:31:56.000 intellectuals can't get into the room, because all they do 1:31:56.200 --> 1:31:59.360 is tearing down as opposed to reconstituting and building. So 1:31:59.520 --> 1:32:03.320 I take that responsibility seriously. However, the reason I can 1:32:03.360 --> 1:32:06.519 be a preacher in love hip hop is because Jesus 1:32:07.040 --> 1:32:10.920 was ostracized as a figure in the community. First of all, 1:32:11.000 --> 1:32:13.439 the Bible says Herod was trying to kill him when 1:32:13.520 --> 1:32:16.439 the announcement made that he was born. The powers that 1:32:16.520 --> 1:32:19.120 be are always trying to kill color kids of color, 1:32:19.360 --> 1:32:21.840 always trying to destroy them, sending them to school and 1:32:21.920 --> 1:32:24.400 kicking them out of school at ten, at seven and 1:32:24.479 --> 1:32:26.960 eight and nine years old. Herods of the world are 1:32:26.960 --> 1:32:31.280 always trying to undermine our children. Kick him out incarcerat them, 1:32:31.479 --> 1:32:34.479 send them from school to detention to prison. And so 1:32:34.720 --> 1:32:36.800 Jesus was born in the main here. That ain't just 1:32:36.920 --> 1:32:40.120 no pretty picture on Christmas. That means he's outside the 1:32:40.160 --> 1:32:43.639 political order. He has no money, his back is against 1:32:43.680 --> 1:32:48.160 the wall. And when he's spitting lyrics by saying two people, 1:32:48.240 --> 1:32:50.599 I give you now a parable, he might as well 1:32:50.720 --> 1:32:53.280 be Kendrick Lamar. He might as well be j He 1:32:53.360 --> 1:32:57.080 might as well be you know Megan the Stallion. Yes, 1:32:57.520 --> 1:32:59.720 you know the woman at the well. She's speaking back. 1:32:59.800 --> 1:33:02.400 That's Megan the Stallion. Remember you know that when no system, 1:33:02.439 --> 1:33:05.640 when Jesus went to the well says where is thou husband? Now, 1:33:05.720 --> 1:33:07.960 you know a siste would have said, you Jesus, you 1:33:08.200 --> 1:33:13.880 tell me I've been waiting year. But anyway, respect the 1:33:13.920 --> 1:33:16.200 second joke there. So the thing is is that as 1:33:16.280 --> 1:33:21.720 a preacher, I understand intimately the transactions and transgressions of 1:33:21.920 --> 1:33:25.880 human beings who fail. Right when you lead the league 1:33:26.560 --> 1:33:29.519 in hitting as a batter, that means you strike out 1:33:29.560 --> 1:33:32.000 seven out of ten times. Because you're bat in three thirty, 1:33:32.280 --> 1:33:34.519 that means you strike out seven out of ten times 1:33:34.560 --> 1:33:36.240 you go to the plate. That's what it means to 1:33:36.280 --> 1:33:39.360 be a Christian is to understand that we are frail, 1:33:39.479 --> 1:33:42.200 we are fragile, we are flawed, we mess up, So 1:33:42.360 --> 1:33:45.880 stop judging other people, accept them into the fold. And 1:33:45.960 --> 1:33:48.439 I learned something valuable about hearing hip hop. And now 1:33:48.439 --> 1:33:50.519 I don't mean this drill music. This out here now 1:33:50.760 --> 1:33:54.280 because on the one hand, I hate that the American 1:33:54.400 --> 1:33:56.920 legal system is trying to hold people accountable for some lyrics. 1:33:57.439 --> 1:33:58.880 I mean, come on, I mean, do you go to 1:33:58.960 --> 1:34:04.439 the Godfather? Why don't you come to me first? Why? Why? 1:34:04.840 --> 1:34:07.639 I understand? You know, look how them massaking my boy? 1:34:07.720 --> 1:34:09.320 I mean, are you going? I mean, I'm killing the 1:34:09.560 --> 1:34:12.519 Marlin Brandon. I mean I can go for you, you know, 1:34:13.479 --> 1:34:16.640 verbs now for down on. You know Michael sitting in 1:34:16.680 --> 1:34:19.479 the chair. If you put a gun there, I'll kill 1:34:19.560 --> 1:34:24.160 him both and Sunny goes they're laughing at him, but no, 1:34:24.360 --> 1:34:26.280 he says, why why can't we do it? So my 1:34:26.400 --> 1:34:30.519 point is this that if we are talking about a 1:34:30.720 --> 1:34:34.920 culture that is sensitive to its limitations, and as a Christian, 1:34:34.960 --> 1:34:37.639 you shouldn't be judging nobody and beating up on nobody. 1:34:37.960 --> 1:34:40.720 You should be loving and transforming people. That doesn't mean 1:34:40.760 --> 1:34:42.680 we don't hold each other accountable. That only means when 1:34:42.720 --> 1:34:44.599 we mess up big, we say we messed up big. 1:34:44.840 --> 1:34:47.719 That doesn't mean we don't suffer the consequences of our failures, 1:34:47.880 --> 1:34:51.400 but it also means we are invested in reconstituting society 1:34:51.840 --> 1:34:56.120 restorative justice, not vengeance. And so much of what's going 1:34:56.240 --> 1:34:58.280 now on now is about vengeance. And when I hear 1:34:58.320 --> 1:35:02.160 this drill rap, that's different. I believe people have the 1:35:02.240 --> 1:35:03.960 right to say what they want to say. I've defended it. 1:35:03.960 --> 1:35:08.080 I've testified before Congress several times, the Senate and the U. S. 1:35:08.160 --> 1:35:11.600 House to defend hip hop right. I was there with 1:35:12.120 --> 1:35:16.360 with Dion Warwick and see the Lord's Tucker when they 1:35:16.400 --> 1:35:19.240 were trying when they were trying to get new filling 1:35:19.280 --> 1:35:21.960 back on that ask where the hell of gangster you? 1:35:22.400 --> 1:35:24.640 I was gonna ask you about that? It's crazy. Let 1:35:24.680 --> 1:35:26.600 me let me say this and then so, so the 1:35:26.680 --> 1:35:29.679 thing is, I've defended them, but the drill, I'm tired 1:35:29.760 --> 1:35:32.160 of black people dying in the hands of black people, 1:35:32.560 --> 1:35:35.519 and I'm tired of people writing songs about it that 1:35:35.680 --> 1:35:38.719 are about literal human beings that either they have killed, 1:35:38.760 --> 1:35:41.800 want to kill, or in celebrating that drill wrap. Then 1:35:41.920 --> 1:35:44.080 going out trying to live the life they sing about 1:35:44.120 --> 1:35:46.880 in their song. That was beautiful. When was the gospel music? Right? 1:35:46.960 --> 1:35:48.680 I want to live the life I sing about in 1:35:48.760 --> 1:35:51.400 my song. That was a great gospel song. BB King 1:35:51.520 --> 1:35:54.200 even saying about it. But that's beautiful when you're dreaming 1:35:54.200 --> 1:35:57.559 about love and community. It's not good when you're talking 1:35:57.560 --> 1:36:00.320 about killing, mayhem and murder. And so going out here, 1:36:00.600 --> 1:36:03.800 you know pop smoke or or PNB, you know you're 1:36:03.920 --> 1:36:08.120 at roscoals and it's a father and son tag team 1:36:09.120 --> 1:36:14.800 of toxic masculinity and murderous masculinity. And you kill that kid. 1:36:15.360 --> 1:36:18.280 You couldn't have just taken his chain, You got to 1:36:18.320 --> 1:36:21.120 shoot him in his back, in his head. This is 1:36:21.240 --> 1:36:25.000 a cultural addiction to death that we must announce for 1:36:25.120 --> 1:36:28.360 what it is and denounce it and figure out other 1:36:28.479 --> 1:36:31.840 constructive ways to embrace and love and edify each other. 1:36:33.360 --> 1:36:36.560 And I think we need to be clear of of 1:36:37.240 --> 1:36:40.320 the trajectory of of of hip hop rotting where it 1:36:40.400 --> 1:36:42.760 was a cautionary tale and now we're just telling you 1:36:42.880 --> 1:36:45.160 what's happening in real time and we're doing it. That's 1:36:45.160 --> 1:36:47.800 a difference, and that's dangerous, right, or the third one 1:36:47.920 --> 1:36:51.880 desiring to do it no snary tale reporting as journalism 1:36:52.200 --> 1:36:54.479 and end up here. Now that's what I want to do, right, 1:36:54.520 --> 1:36:57.360 It's one thing. I mean, listen to Regrets by Jay Z. Listen, 1:36:57.680 --> 1:37:00.360 you know I'm from the place where you know, uh what, 1:37:00.479 --> 1:37:01.960 as they said, the churches are the flick of this. 1:37:02.080 --> 1:37:04.200 People been praying to God so long that they're atheists. 1:37:04.479 --> 1:37:05.960 Or I was here the other day, and then you 1:37:06.040 --> 1:37:08.040 know he talks about time traveling so on in his 1:37:08.160 --> 1:37:11.599 own mind. Look about think about Nas talking about you're 1:37:11.640 --> 1:37:14.000 talking to the young kid, uh speaking to him on 1:37:14.080 --> 1:37:16.960 the stoop. They made belly out of a verse from 1:37:17.200 --> 1:37:20.519 from from from Nas is one love. So there were 1:37:20.560 --> 1:37:24.040 ways in which poetry or biggie niggas bleed like imagine me, 1:37:24.439 --> 1:37:26.320 you know, being scared of a nigga breathe the same 1:37:26.439 --> 1:37:28.600 air I breth right and he's he said, you know, 1:37:28.880 --> 1:37:31.760 the old dude with care seemed mostly rock to Isleys, 1:37:31.800 --> 1:37:36.320 giving us novelistic details about the lives that these people live. 1:37:36.439 --> 1:37:38.920 Now it's about murder, murder, kill, kill, do you again? 1:37:39.080 --> 1:37:40.880 Kill kill? And the mumble rap. I don't want to 1:37:40.920 --> 1:37:43.320 sound like some old negro, but I'm saying, like you 1:37:43.400 --> 1:37:52.320 know that you said that, you know what I'm saying. No, no, Negro, no, no, no. Actually, 1:37:52.840 --> 1:37:55.200 actually I've been black for sixty three years and don't 1:37:55.240 --> 1:37:57.599 know what the hell you said. Now, what I love 1:37:57.640 --> 1:38:00.839 about so called mumble rap, And we don't get Beyonce 1:38:01.000 --> 1:38:03.160 her credit for stouting it. In one sense, I mean, 1:38:03.280 --> 1:38:07.760 Beyonce was alighting syllables and slurring them deliberately as an 1:38:07.800 --> 1:38:12.479 a laconic and sonically interesting and vocally vibrant way. She 1:38:12.479 --> 1:38:14.639 should get credit for that. In terms of this music, 1:38:16.160 --> 1:38:18.400 I'm telling you she was mumbling and and she was 1:38:18.439 --> 1:38:21.200 alighting and distorting. Go listen to go listen to Beyonce 1:38:21.439 --> 1:38:23.800 that all right, listen to what she was doing, the 1:38:23.960 --> 1:38:26.160 interesting ways in which she was playing with syllables and 1:38:26.200 --> 1:38:29.400 alighting them and distorting them for musical purposes. They took 1:38:29.400 --> 1:38:31.760 it literally and started doing it like now we went 1:38:31.800 --> 1:38:33.640 to hear what you're talking about now, and then what 1:38:33.760 --> 1:38:35.680 you're talking about. Look, I believe in the blues, so 1:38:35.760 --> 1:38:39.600 I believe the beautiful melodies that come out of so 1:38:39.720 --> 1:38:42.560 called mumble rap. I'm being an old, uh kind of 1:38:42.920 --> 1:38:46.160 consternating man here, but on that hand, I love a 1:38:46.240 --> 1:38:48.800 lot of that music because it's so melodically rich, it's 1:38:48.800 --> 1:38:51.240 so powerful, and it's so beautiful in terms of the blues. 1:38:51.320 --> 1:38:55.320 But the lyricism right standing by the speaker, suddenly I 1:38:55.400 --> 1:38:58.120 had a fever. Wasn't me or even summer madness? We 1:38:58.200 --> 1:38:59.880 got to we got to pick back up on the 1:39:00.080 --> 1:39:02.040 lyrical integrity. Not a lot of the young people do. 1:39:02.439 --> 1:39:04.840 We know Jake Cole is lyrical. We know Kendrick is 1:39:04.920 --> 1:39:08.679 lyrical and and and I think Drake combines both of them. Drake, 1:39:08.920 --> 1:39:10.960 you know when Drake first came out, when when Kanye 1:39:11.000 --> 1:39:13.679 talks about being independent, I was an independent thinker because 1:39:13.720 --> 1:39:16.240 I was riding for Drake. What people like what I said, 1:39:16.320 --> 1:39:18.840 Drake is a monster, It's gonna be a it's gonna 1:39:18.880 --> 1:39:21.400 be a juggernaut, and was bigger than any of us thoughts. 1:39:21.600 --> 1:39:24.880 But he he had the beautiful melodies and singing. Men 1:39:24.960 --> 1:39:27.800 didn't think, oh that's not manly. You're singing on a song. 1:39:27.960 --> 1:39:29.800 You're an R and B artist in the in the 1:39:29.920 --> 1:39:32.439 middle of rapping. But what was he doing? You know, 1:39:32.520 --> 1:39:34.519 jealousy is just loving hate At the same time, he's 1:39:34.600 --> 1:39:37.360 dropping bars and he's doing it with Little Wayne, one 1:39:37.400 --> 1:39:39.639 of the hardest out there. And he's integrating it into 1:39:39.760 --> 1:39:42.720 his own ethic of masculinity that doesn't have to kill 1:39:42.800 --> 1:39:45.120 and murder and create, ma'am in order to be a 1:39:45.200 --> 1:39:48.840 real man. How about elevating that? How about loving that? Now, 1:39:48.920 --> 1:39:51.240 part of it is it's yellow upon yellow love. And 1:39:51.320 --> 1:39:55.200 I do recognize that, right his birthday is October is October. 1:39:55.960 --> 1:39:58.800 So there is some sepatico because I'm trying to help 1:39:59.000 --> 1:40:02.479 Drake and Steff Orry bring yellow people back because we've 1:40:02.520 --> 1:40:04.240 been on the margins. We have been on the margins 1:40:04.400 --> 1:40:07.720 where you, Drake, Steph Curry and dj Envy all go 1:40:07.800 --> 1:40:13.880 to the same karate class, karate class. And here's the thing, 1:40:14.600 --> 1:40:17.200 and here's the thing that's so funny. Let's chop it up. 1:40:18.360 --> 1:40:20.560 But here's the funny thing about it. Because when we 1:40:20.720 --> 1:40:23.720 we were we've been in exile now for so long, right, oh, 1:40:23.760 --> 1:40:26.760 you pretty chocolate boys had been dominant. You know, Denzel 1:40:26.920 --> 1:40:31.439 Andres Wesley killed us. Wesley killed us, Oh my god, 1:40:31.800 --> 1:40:35.680 Midnight and Magic Chocolate charmed he just murdered us. Right. 1:40:35.960 --> 1:40:38.519 But here's the point. So we've been in exile because 1:40:38.560 --> 1:40:40.599 we realized when we had the whip the first time, 1:40:40.640 --> 1:40:44.080 we were wrong, Like bright almost white. We believe we 1:40:44.160 --> 1:40:46.920 were superior. We believe we were cut or at least 1:40:46.960 --> 1:40:51.160 people told us that. I'll be sure who dropped the balls. Yeah, 1:40:51.200 --> 1:40:57.040 the second album didn't hit like I mean, we got 1:40:57.120 --> 1:40:59.479 pushed out. We were trying to get We just got 1:40:59.600 --> 1:41:02.519 elbow because the chocolate Boy said, oh no, we got 1:41:02.680 --> 1:41:07.200 heart and think nig so so so we got marginalized. 1:41:07.240 --> 1:41:08.960 So we're trying to come back now, but with a 1:41:09.040 --> 1:41:12.280 redeemed consciousness. Right because light skinned people don't want to 1:41:12.320 --> 1:41:14.360 talk about light privilege anymore than white people want to 1:41:14.360 --> 1:41:17.439 talk about white privilege. What I'm saying, we're loath to 1:41:17.560 --> 1:41:19.439 do that. We don't want to be honest about it. 1:41:19.600 --> 1:41:21.760 So this time around, we got to admit that we 1:41:21.880 --> 1:41:24.680 were giving privileges that we didn't learn a scene in 1:41:24.760 --> 1:41:26.960 ways that we can't control. And I'm not dissing you know, 1:41:27.040 --> 1:41:28.760 I look how I look, So I'm not trying to 1:41:28.840 --> 1:41:31.800 demonize yellow people. But I am saying at the same time, 1:41:32.200 --> 1:41:34.320 there are ways in which we have to be uh 1:41:34.560 --> 1:41:39.640 cognizant of and conscious of and responsible for the consequences 1:41:39.680 --> 1:41:42.040 of such worship. You know, they would have a paper 1:41:42.080 --> 1:41:43.880 bag down in New Orleans if you were darkening that 1:41:43.960 --> 1:41:47.200 you wasn't getting in the club, certain sororities and fraternities 1:41:47.560 --> 1:41:50.000 keeping them light, bleaching them. So we got to be 1:41:50.160 --> 1:41:52.439 honest and open up about that. We didn't invent that 1:41:52.520 --> 1:41:54.640 as light skinned people, but we took advantage of it. 1:41:54.680 --> 1:41:58.000 It's like white people saying, I wasn't here when slavery started. Yeah, 1:41:58.040 --> 1:42:00.360 but when you but when you get out here, you 1:42:00.479 --> 1:42:03.280 damn sure did not take advantage of what the opportunities were. 1:42:03.680 --> 1:42:06.439 So we didn't create the love of light skin, but 1:42:06.560 --> 1:42:09.000 we took advantage of it. We were benefited from it. 1:42:09.320 --> 1:42:11.519 So I want to do that at the same time. So, yes, 1:42:11.680 --> 1:42:14.400 the new light skin is socially conscious. I just want 1:42:14.439 --> 1:42:17.559 to announce that that that's a lot of Jamaicans that's 1:42:17.600 --> 1:42:21.200 doing bleaching right now. That's that's that's I mean, Sammy, 1:42:21.800 --> 1:42:32.360 Sammy was Jae he was he was hitting balls in 1:42:32.439 --> 1:42:35.519 the bleachers, but he wasn't, you know. So yeah, that's 1:42:35.560 --> 1:42:38.439 that's that's painful. That's self that's self hatred, man, that's 1:42:38.439 --> 1:42:41.559 self hatred. Why why are you trying to darken? I mean, 1:42:41.640 --> 1:42:45.479 to lighten your skin. Sammy Sosa had a beautiful brown skin. 1:42:45.920 --> 1:42:48.160 I mean, you know, some of our rappers and people 1:42:48.160 --> 1:42:49.360 I don't want to name, no name, you know who 1:42:49.400 --> 1:42:52.800 it bleached their skins. It is so painful to me 1:42:53.400 --> 1:42:56.840 to see the beautiful, my beautiful black skin. My daddy 1:42:56.960 --> 1:43:00.880 was blue black from all Benny Georgia. I saw how 1:43:01.000 --> 1:43:03.960 black people treated him. I saw how the white society 1:43:04.000 --> 1:43:05.960 treated him. They looked down on him like he was 1:43:06.040 --> 1:43:08.080 a simi in an ape and a range of team. 1:43:08.120 --> 1:43:11.479 They saw him as an animal and and and they 1:43:11.600 --> 1:43:14.800 saw me as a light skinned, curly haired kid wearing 1:43:14.880 --> 1:43:17.200 glasses or he must be smart. I had brothers who 1:43:17.200 --> 1:43:20.360 equally smart. The brother went to prison, I went to Princeton, 1:43:21.000 --> 1:43:23.160 one brother in the pen. I taught at University of 1:43:23.280 --> 1:43:27.000 Penn right, but because of I'm not saying it's all 1:43:27.120 --> 1:43:30.360 based on skin and colorism, but a lot of it 1:43:30.520 --> 1:43:33.280 was driven by that. And the failure to recognize my 1:43:33.400 --> 1:43:36.880 brother's talent was driven by colorism as well. We gotta 1:43:36.920 --> 1:43:38.840 fight that with everything in us. I've been trying to 1:43:38.880 --> 1:43:40.720 get down. I've been trying to get dark. I've been 1:43:40.720 --> 1:43:42.840 trying to get a calm, been trying to get a 1:43:42.920 --> 1:43:45.160 calm black. You gotta start with a kind's hair tramplan 1:43:46.439 --> 1:43:52.200 I can't wait to tell him he's horrible. Oh my god. Listen, 1:43:52.240 --> 1:43:55.559 all of that is product of colonialism still affect there 1:43:55.720 --> 1:43:58.519 is no question. But see now we bring a coming 1:43:58.560 --> 1:44:02.080 full circle because what we're talking about, what Kanye or 1:44:02.200 --> 1:44:06.280 the ideas he's promoting, is the colonial mindset in your 1:44:06.320 --> 1:44:09.960 own mind, unconsciously using your tongue as a freeway to 1:44:10.080 --> 1:44:13.760 deliver the vehicle of its white supremacy. That's what's going on. 1:44:14.280 --> 1:44:18.960 And until we recognize that colonialism, neo colonialism, the internalized 1:44:18.960 --> 1:44:22.960 self hatred, the oppression of the dominant culture UH projected 1:44:23.000 --> 1:44:25.360 onto us, all of that is happening. And until we 1:44:25.439 --> 1:44:28.080 confront that, we won't be healthy. I'm not saying every 1:44:28.160 --> 1:44:30.519 person who was a conservative of self hating. That's not 1:44:30.600 --> 1:44:32.320 what I'm saying at all, Because if you're going to 1:44:32.360 --> 1:44:35.799 study conservative people, then there's Thomas Soul, There's Walter Williams, 1:44:35.960 --> 1:44:38.160 there's Robert Woodson. I mean, there are a lot of 1:44:38.280 --> 1:44:42.000 conservatives I disagree with and fight against UH, but have 1:44:42.160 --> 1:44:44.920 respect for at least trying to make an intelligent argument 1:44:45.320 --> 1:44:48.200 about what they see going on. But for some people 1:44:48.200 --> 1:44:53.519 who take advantage of white supremacy, dollars to fund their 1:44:53.600 --> 1:44:56.960 own anti black campaign. I ain't got no love or 1:44:57.040 --> 1:44:59.519 compassion for that at all. Let me let me ask you, 1:45:00.200 --> 1:45:02.799 thinking the news lately, which they just said that student 1:45:02.920 --> 1:45:07.679 loans being forgiven, is that something our community it should 1:45:07.680 --> 1:45:11.600 be happy for? Absolutely? Okay, But look, the white supremacists 1:45:11.640 --> 1:45:13.880 tell you that's true because they're going they got laws 1:45:13.920 --> 1:45:17.000 out here. There's a I think a state senator trying 1:45:17.080 --> 1:45:20.240 to sue the Biden administration now because he says, really, 1:45:20.320 --> 1:45:23.679 what that is about is forgiving black people what their 1:45:23.760 --> 1:45:26.880 loans are, and therefore, as a result of that, we 1:45:27.000 --> 1:45:29.639 need to stand against it. So the white supremacists understand 1:45:29.680 --> 1:45:32.560 better than some of us that that helps us in 1:45:32.640 --> 1:45:35.080 a disproportion of fashion, because a lot of the people 1:45:35.240 --> 1:45:37.560 who make an under a hundred thousand dollars can be 1:45:37.680 --> 1:45:42.000 forgiven that twenty dollars. And the Biden administration said that 1:45:42.200 --> 1:45:46.160 in part, this would help those who are economically disadvantaged 1:45:46.200 --> 1:45:51.519 and historically underrepresented minoritized and racialized communities. And no doubt, 1:45:51.920 --> 1:45:54.519 no question about that. So moving forward, why why we 1:45:54.600 --> 1:45:57.880 don't have in America free college? Like why you have 1:45:57.960 --> 1:46:00.880 to pay for education? But but but like I go 1:46:01.000 --> 1:46:03.280 to people like my friends in Europe, they go to 1:46:03.360 --> 1:46:09.120 hospitals for free, they go to the school. Canada elect 1:46:09.120 --> 1:46:12.600 the searches dogs along as a monster country. Oh you 1:46:12.600 --> 1:46:14.439 want to know that, No, you're gonna have that's that's 1:46:14.640 --> 1:46:17.120 ten years in seven days. Okay, see you then. So, 1:46:17.360 --> 1:46:20.400 But having said that, I agree with you wholeheartedly. We 1:46:20.479 --> 1:46:23.360 should have universal health care. We should have the ability 1:46:23.400 --> 1:46:26.360 to go into any hospital in this country and darn 1:46:26.520 --> 1:46:28.320 be able to get help. We should go to any 1:46:28.400 --> 1:46:30.960 college that our minds take us to that we're able 1:46:31.040 --> 1:46:33.240 to go to. For that matter, why is it that 1:46:33.360 --> 1:46:37.200 we don't have a free holiday holiday for voting? Why? 1:46:37.360 --> 1:46:40.800 Why don't you get registered the moment you're born. Every 1:46:40.960 --> 1:46:43.600 citizen in America should be able to vote. Why we 1:46:43.680 --> 1:46:46.840 gotta go through you can look, you can have UH 1:46:47.680 --> 1:46:51.400 card a registration for a gun and be able to vote, 1:46:51.800 --> 1:46:54.519 but have one for college and not be able to vote. 1:46:54.920 --> 1:46:59.440 This is the twisted mentality. They think the Second Amendment 1:46:59.760 --> 1:47:03.120 is the Second Commandment right, And the problem is they 1:47:03.200 --> 1:47:07.559 worship guns, They idolize and fetishize all forms of ignorance 1:47:07.560 --> 1:47:10.040 and dominance and control, and at the same time, the 1:47:10.160 --> 1:47:13.920 masses of people, including white folk, would be advantaged by 1:47:14.080 --> 1:47:18.400 free college, by voting universally, and by universal health care. 1:47:18.520 --> 1:47:22.439 How better, how much happier would this nation be were 1:47:22.520 --> 1:47:25.160 we to be afforded those opportunities. And we're the richest 1:47:25.240 --> 1:47:27.080 nations in the world you ain't talking about. I mean, 1:47:27.160 --> 1:47:29.639 the nations you're talking about ain't the richest. We are 1:47:29.760 --> 1:47:32.560 the richest per capita, and yet we have some of 1:47:32.640 --> 1:47:36.200 the greatest chasms between the have gods and the have nots. 1:47:36.560 --> 1:47:40.559 The inequality is atrocious in this country, and we are 1:47:40.960 --> 1:47:45.920 continually creating economic policies that reinforce the poverty of the 1:47:46.000 --> 1:47:49.280 poor and the wealth of the wealthy. And we're exporting 1:47:49.439 --> 1:47:53.800 money currently right now in proxy wars, when just a 1:47:54.040 --> 1:47:57.120 fraction of that money could help that here, that disparity 1:47:57.400 --> 1:47:59.880 right here, right here at the crib, could be helping out. So, 1:48:00.000 --> 1:48:04.040 oh yeah, no, I'm agree with you. Holy The other day, right, 1:48:04.040 --> 1:48:07.360 I couldn't sleep. So when I can't sleep, sometimes I 1:48:07.439 --> 1:48:09.760 don't watch Netflix. I don't watch Hulu. I like to 1:48:09.800 --> 1:48:12.320 do is go watch old school cable. Right. I want 1:48:12.360 --> 1:48:15.479 to watch Jerry Springer, I want to watch ship like that. 1:48:15.640 --> 1:48:19.400 So I'm watching Cheetahs the other day, right, And Cheetah's 1:48:21.120 --> 1:48:27.000 Cheeta chee cheeters. You know this is get caught cheating. 1:48:27.200 --> 1:48:29.920 But this white couple come on, I could I couldn't 1:48:29.960 --> 1:48:34.599 watch it. The Chinese couple come on, I couldn't Chinese. 1:48:34.640 --> 1:48:36.600 You know what I'm saying. I couldn't. I couldn't watch it. 1:48:37.280 --> 1:48:41.240 But as soon as black pain came on, identified with it, 1:48:41.560 --> 1:48:43.120 I was like, I was as soon as I've seen 1:48:43.160 --> 1:48:44.840 a black couple come, I was like, oh, ship, now 1:48:45.000 --> 1:48:47.479 be rocking. And then I seen the Latino a couple 1:48:47.520 --> 1:48:50.080 come on, and me being half of Latino, I did, 1:48:50.160 --> 1:48:52.240 I thought to myself, I said, You'll wait a minute. 1:48:52.600 --> 1:48:55.280 Am I addicted to back trauma not even know it? 1:48:55.840 --> 1:48:59.000 It could be the case or representation matters, or you 1:48:59.120 --> 1:49:03.360 identified with what you are. Look, it relates relates to 1:49:03.520 --> 1:49:05.439 you can see you right you You can't identify with 1:49:05.520 --> 1:49:08.200 a white person or an Asian person necessarily although most 1:49:08.280 --> 1:49:10.280 of us, you know black people, we go to movies 1:49:10.280 --> 1:49:11.840 all the time and got no black people and we'll 1:49:11.840 --> 1:49:14.800 be a girl, get out the way. The man is 1:49:14.840 --> 1:49:19.000 behind you throwing stuff at the theater. Right, ain't no 1:49:19.080 --> 1:49:21.600 black people involved? Right? So we have an ability to 1:49:21.760 --> 1:49:25.320 transcend our ethnic boundaries and tribalism in many ways. But 1:49:25.920 --> 1:49:28.200 having said that, I grew up in an era where 1:49:28.240 --> 1:49:30.920 they had Jet Magazine, which is a physical magazine's not 1:49:31.080 --> 1:49:34.320 gonna line and every week and Jet Magazine when Beauty 1:49:34.320 --> 1:49:37.479 of the Week, well, I mean that's why, that's why 1:49:37.520 --> 1:49:39.960 I looked at that man that was number one. But 1:49:39.960 --> 1:49:41.680 I'm a baptistreacher, so I have to say number two. 1:49:43.040 --> 1:49:46.320 So the Jet Beauty Week, which was cold. But then 1:49:46.560 --> 1:49:51.120 at the end of the book, always this week in television, 1:49:51.640 --> 1:49:55.360 all the black people and shows that were involved were 1:49:55.479 --> 1:49:58.080 lifted in Jet. Oh, Diane Carroll is going to be 1:49:58.120 --> 1:50:01.759 a guest star on but and so Sammy Davis Jr. 1:50:01.840 --> 1:50:04.519 Will have a guest starring role on mann X and 1:50:04.640 --> 1:50:06.800 so on. Now, first of all, it was tragic because 1:50:06.840 --> 1:50:08.800 all the blackness could be listed at the end of 1:50:08.840 --> 1:50:11.479 a magazine right that that that black people are on. 1:50:11.600 --> 1:50:14.800 But that's how hungry we were to see ourselves represented 1:50:15.120 --> 1:50:18.800 the Real Housewives of right, We're so desperate to see 1:50:18.840 --> 1:50:22.200 ourselves represented. Now we have over representation and over indexing 1:50:22.640 --> 1:50:26.600 in some negative situations, but we are still desperate to 1:50:26.800 --> 1:50:31.639 see representation, to be counted, to be seen and part 1:50:31.720 --> 1:50:33.760 of that is you wanted to be saying even if 1:50:33.800 --> 1:50:40.479 it's night and I was like, wait a minute, man, 1:50:40.520 --> 1:50:43.040 I don't just used to see him. That can be 1:50:44.280 --> 1:50:47.200 at the same time. But the thing is is that 1:50:47.320 --> 1:50:50.439 representation does matter. We perk up when we see those 1:50:50.479 --> 1:50:53.800 who look like us. And the problem with white supremacy 1:50:53.880 --> 1:50:56.640 is not that white people identify with white people, is 1:50:56.720 --> 1:50:59.080 that that they only identify with white people, and that 1:50:59.160 --> 1:51:03.360 they identify with people in a way to exclude opportunity 1:51:03.439 --> 1:51:05.559 for others. Remember that Saturday Night Live skilled with Eddie 1:51:05.640 --> 1:51:07.599 Murphy when they go into the bank and he dresses 1:51:07.760 --> 1:51:10.960 up like a white man. Yeah, they were like, right, 1:51:10.960 --> 1:51:12.479 and then then you know he goes every bank. You know, 1:51:12.520 --> 1:51:16.320 black people can't get no money. He go to get 1:51:16.360 --> 1:51:20.920 it along, just take all the money. Right. So that's 1:51:20.960 --> 1:51:23.120 what it right, That's that's what it is. Right. When 1:51:23.160 --> 1:51:26.240 you're in a dominant position, you don't understand. Uh. David 1:51:26.320 --> 1:51:31.200 Foster Wallace, a late great, uh incredible um novelists, had 1:51:31.200 --> 1:51:33.400 a little story, a little parable. He said. It was 1:51:33.439 --> 1:51:37.000 these two fish in the war, right, and they're floating along, 1:51:37.040 --> 1:51:39.760 they're doing their thing, and they see this older fish, 1:51:40.400 --> 1:51:42.880 you know, coming in the opposite direction, and the older 1:51:43.040 --> 1:51:48.519 fish says to them, afternoon, how's the water boys, and 1:51:48.600 --> 1:51:51.120 then goes on about his business. And then they turned 1:51:51.160 --> 1:51:54.720 to each other, what's water? Because when you're in it, 1:51:55.520 --> 1:52:00.560 you don't recognize where you are. So white of premises 1:52:00.640 --> 1:52:03.719 the same way whiteness is the same way you're born 1:52:03.800 --> 1:52:06.280 on third base, think you hit a triple. You think 1:52:06.320 --> 1:52:08.960 the world operates and has the same advantage as you do. 1:52:09.520 --> 1:52:12.439 You think the world operates according to your viewpoints. Even 1:52:12.479 --> 1:52:14.680 if you're a poor white person, you think you have 1:52:14.760 --> 1:52:17.439 the ability to work hard and therefore make a difference, 1:52:17.760 --> 1:52:20.800 not knowing that millions upon millions of black and brown 1:52:20.880 --> 1:52:24.000 and Latino and queer and other people have worked hard, 1:52:24.280 --> 1:52:27.720 and Asian folks work hard and never got the rewards 1:52:27.840 --> 1:52:31.040 they deserve. So they're in water, and you never know 1:52:31.240 --> 1:52:34.040 you're in water unto somebody calls attention to it, and 1:52:34.160 --> 1:52:36.960 then you pay attention to what that is. And that's 1:52:37.000 --> 1:52:39.679 what whiteness is in this country. Even white folks rapport 1:52:40.000 --> 1:52:44.599 who go, look, I'm poor, I ain't got no advantages. Uh, 1:52:44.800 --> 1:52:46.800 people are mistreat me and so on and so forth. 1:52:46.920 --> 1:52:49.839 I say to them, if you can meet a police 1:52:49.880 --> 1:52:52.479 person and live to tell about it. You ain't got 1:52:52.560 --> 1:52:55.519 to be rich to take advantage of white privilege, the 1:52:55.720 --> 1:52:59.240 privilege to be taken seriously. I've seen white folks chasing 1:52:59.320 --> 1:53:03.280 police car is down with machetes, right, and the police 1:53:03.280 --> 1:53:06.960 are running from them with a gun in their hoster 1:53:07.760 --> 1:53:11.400 because their mentality is I'm not going to harm this 1:53:11.560 --> 1:53:16.800 fellow citizen. If only they could apply that to us. 1:53:17.520 --> 1:53:19.479 And so this is why black people are so deeply 1:53:19.680 --> 1:53:24.040 entrenched in abolishing the police, reconstructing the police, trying to 1:53:24.160 --> 1:53:27.920 grapple with police powers because they have been unleashed two 1:53:28.080 --> 1:53:31.600 on us in a way, because white people don't understand 1:53:31.720 --> 1:53:34.480 they have an advantage and a privilege and an opportunity 1:53:34.800 --> 1:53:38.519 and an experience that the masses of non white people 1:53:39.040 --> 1:53:43.800 will never know. Well that was, that was, But let's 1:53:43.880 --> 1:53:46.479 say something to you. I know us about giving people flowers. 1:53:47.040 --> 1:53:49.880 You know, that's why we are That's why we are 1:53:49.960 --> 1:53:52.519 pulled that we received this black last because we know 1:53:52.600 --> 1:53:54.960 if people pre dominantly watch our show. We did check 1:53:55.040 --> 1:53:58.000 Kanye We did check him on his anti semites, and 1:53:58.080 --> 1:54:00.120 we did check him on the George Floyd thing, did 1:54:00.200 --> 1:54:02.600 check him on Black Lives Matter, But most people just 1:54:02.680 --> 1:54:05.640 watched the first fifteen minutes or eighteen minutes. But our 1:54:05.640 --> 1:54:07.840 show is pre dominant about giving people flowers, and we 1:54:07.880 --> 1:54:09.920 would be remissed if we didn't give you your flowers. 1:54:10.160 --> 1:54:12.840 So we wanted to give your flowers face to face. Man, 1:54:13.400 --> 1:54:18.160 you know what I'm saying. Let's you get the flowers? Yes, yes, yes, 1:54:18.320 --> 1:54:23.960 my god, marijuana, no no, no, but I got I 1:54:24.040 --> 1:54:30.200 got some beautiful thank you. But I got one more 1:54:30.280 --> 1:54:31.560 question because I know you gotta go. So I know 1:54:31.560 --> 1:54:33.640 you gotta let's let's hang out, and let's hang out 1:54:33.960 --> 1:54:37.120 and did not now look an older serious? Then then 1:54:37.120 --> 1:54:39.360 I'll take a little champagne. But I wanted I wanted 1:54:39.400 --> 1:54:43.960 to be so do this, motherfucker. I was scared that 1:54:44.560 --> 1:54:46.360 I'll see you over there. I ain't want to say 1:54:46.360 --> 1:54:49.879 now that he had one bit. You know we're serious 1:54:49.960 --> 1:54:53.760 over but but I didn't. You didn't do a quick 1:54:53.760 --> 1:54:57.160 time and then we can end it there um reparations. 1:54:59.240 --> 1:55:01.760 First off, we're we stand as a people on on 1:55:02.000 --> 1:55:05.360 getting or receiving reprobations, and to where do you stay? 1:55:05.480 --> 1:55:07.839 Do you think this is something that we we deserved, 1:55:07.840 --> 1:55:11.360 It is something that that that we should get moving forward? Absolutely, 1:55:11.760 --> 1:55:14.160 Martin usin King Jr. Nine three in his book Why 1:55:14.240 --> 1:55:18.840 We Can't Wait, said that a nation had, excuse me, 1:55:19.120 --> 1:55:22.320 a nation that has done something special against the Negro 1:55:23.040 --> 1:55:26.280 for two hundred and fifty years must now do something 1:55:26.400 --> 1:55:30.520 special for the Negro. And he talked about a g 1:55:30.720 --> 1:55:33.440 I bill, Remember the g I bill. World War two 1:55:34.200 --> 1:55:37.480 soldiers returned home. What did they get? They got extra 1:55:37.560 --> 1:55:39.880 points on a test to get into school. That was cool. 1:55:39.920 --> 1:55:43.280 You got to hook up right, you got money for 1:55:43.440 --> 1:55:48.480 a house, and you got the ability to get a job. 1:55:49.800 --> 1:55:53.920 That's the holy trinity of affirmative action. There's a scholar 1:55:54.040 --> 1:55:57.960 named Iraq Hats Nelson, Professor of sociology in history at Columbia, 1:55:58.040 --> 1:56:01.120 who wrote a book when affirmative action was wait, see 1:56:01.120 --> 1:56:03.120 a lot of white folks. I'm you know, the Supreme 1:56:03.160 --> 1:56:05.960 Court is gonna, as soume uh, you know, vote again 1:56:06.040 --> 1:56:08.840 on affirmative action and probably will undercut it. The point 1:56:08.960 --> 1:56:11.600 is that affirmative action was a white thing from the 1:56:11.720 --> 1:56:16.440 getty up. So reparations are due. I think it's Tupaca 1:56:16.600 --> 1:56:20.240 somebody saying the The truth is that we are deserving 1:56:20.320 --> 1:56:23.160 of reparations, having worked for free to build this nation. 1:56:23.640 --> 1:56:29.280 Literally the institutions, the buildings, the infrastructure. Everything that we 1:56:29.440 --> 1:56:34.440 see in this nation was created and constructed by black labor, 1:56:34.600 --> 1:56:41.440 indigenous labor, Asian labor, black free labor forced against our will, 1:56:42.040 --> 1:56:46.840 being brought here in sixteen nineteen symbolically, as the record says, 1:56:47.280 --> 1:56:50.280 twenty and some negroes brought here to America, and from 1:56:50.360 --> 1:56:53.720 then the proliferation of black bodies to support this nation. 1:56:53.800 --> 1:56:57.840 Why wouldn't we pay reparations? Yes, and reparations come, by 1:56:57.880 --> 1:57:02.080 the way, in many forms. It could be educated sational subsidies, land. 1:57:02.360 --> 1:57:05.280 How about not not not having negroes pay taxes for 1:57:05.280 --> 1:57:15.560 the next fifttle next we not pay taxes right there? 1:57:15.680 --> 1:57:17.600 And look, if you can't give us forty acres in 1:57:17.640 --> 1:57:20.000 the mule, give us an acre on Wall Street. And 1:57:20.040 --> 1:57:21.760 if you ain't got a mule, give us a jackbar 1:57:21.840 --> 1:57:24.880 and call it today. But the point is that, yes, 1:57:25.120 --> 1:57:28.680 reparations are necessary, They are critical, they are vital, They 1:57:28.720 --> 1:57:31.440 have been critical in Europe. What happened to Jewish brothers 1:57:31.480 --> 1:57:35.040 and sisters who were demonized by Hitler in Germany? What 1:57:35.160 --> 1:57:38.680 happened to Japanese brothers and sisters in this country were 1:57:38.760 --> 1:57:42.160 demonizing interment camps so yes we are, and there are 1:57:42.200 --> 1:57:46.200 some state legislatures that are talking about reparations for black people, 1:57:46.280 --> 1:57:51.040 at least under Joe Biden. Right, we are now speaking 1:57:51.120 --> 1:57:55.640 about the possibility of studying reparations because the black president, 1:57:56.080 --> 1:58:02.920 Barack Obama was against them, right, against reparations. Absolutely, they 1:58:02.960 --> 1:58:05.960 put up a vote with Now he talked about it 1:58:06.080 --> 1:58:08.760 in his discussions that he didn't think it was gonna win, 1:58:09.120 --> 1:58:11.800 he didn't think it was feasible, and let's not do it. 1:58:12.160 --> 1:58:16.000 So so again, the old white man, Joe Biden, the 1:58:16.240 --> 1:58:20.560 night he was elected said black people, I owe you 1:58:21.560 --> 1:58:24.480 and I'm gonna pay here. Now that's what Joe Biden said. Now, 1:58:24.520 --> 1:58:26.920 whether or not he followed through exactly as you thought, 1:58:27.240 --> 1:58:29.720 the fact that he put it into the public spear. Now, 1:58:29.800 --> 1:58:32.240 let me say this for all those naysayers out there 1:58:32.240 --> 1:58:37.200 who are black. This hypocritical professor doesn't recognize that that Biden, 1:58:37.400 --> 1:58:39.760 that Obama couldn't say certain things. I do recognize that. 1:58:39.960 --> 1:58:41.880 I recognize that Obama couldn't say a lot of things 1:58:41.920 --> 1:58:44.040 that a white guy could say. Obama couldn't be as 1:58:44.120 --> 1:58:46.920 black as uh Bill Clinton. Going on our cene or 1:58:47.000 --> 1:58:49.840 Hall Plan, the saxophone, I get that, But there are 1:58:49.920 --> 1:58:53.960 ways in which the substance of his policy could reflect 1:58:54.040 --> 1:58:59.800 a commitment to the transformative practice of politics for black people. 1:59:00.360 --> 1:59:03.360 So all I'm saying to you is Obama could have 1:59:03.600 --> 1:59:07.160 done that and could also have used his bully pulpit 1:59:07.520 --> 1:59:10.800 to inform America about what was going on. Because at 1:59:10.840 --> 1:59:13.720 the second term, they ain't gonna love you no more. Bro, 1:59:13.920 --> 1:59:18.280 They don't love you like that, So therefore do what 1:59:18.440 --> 1:59:20.440 you think is necessary. But here's the thing we didn't 1:59:20.440 --> 1:59:23.040 want to accept about Obama. What he was doing is 1:59:23.080 --> 1:59:25.920 what he felt, you know. You know, Michael Jordan said, 1:59:25.920 --> 1:59:28.120 after I get out of you know, basketball, then I'll 1:59:28.120 --> 1:59:30.200 be more political. And to a certain degree it has been. 1:59:30.280 --> 1:59:33.240 But people were saying, can you when you're in offices 1:59:33.280 --> 1:59:35.320 when it makes a difference. Nobody want to hear from 1:59:35.360 --> 1:59:38.760 you after you leave, when you retire. Obama was president, 1:59:38.880 --> 1:59:40.760 and since he's been retired, he's coming back now for 1:59:40.840 --> 1:59:43.400 the midterms. He out didn't making dough, he had to 1:59:43.440 --> 1:59:47.480 hanging out with multi white billionaires. Obama. Yes, And now, look, 1:59:47.520 --> 1:59:49.320 I ain't mad at him getting no dough. I ain't 1:59:49.320 --> 1:59:51.400 mad at him making no money. I ain't mad at 1:59:51.480 --> 1:59:54.240 him getting everything he can, but using and I know 1:59:54.360 --> 1:59:56.960 he has to be relatively silent because he wants to 1:59:57.040 --> 1:59:59.880 respect the president president. I get that, but he does 2:00:00.080 --> 2:00:02.920 come out every now and again to make statements, uh, 2:00:03.040 --> 2:00:06.600 and to articulate his idea and his ideas. And it's 2:00:06.600 --> 2:00:08.960 extremely important that we hear from him. But it was 2:00:09.120 --> 2:00:12.640 especially important when he was in office to make use 2:00:12.960 --> 2:00:16.280 of that bully pulpit to change the lives of many 2:00:16.360 --> 2:00:19.160 black people. And many things he left on the table, 2:00:19.480 --> 2:00:21.680 and he had nothing to do with white folk denying 2:00:21.800 --> 2:00:24.200 him an opportunity to be able to do what he did. 2:00:24.280 --> 2:00:26.080 He didn't have to go to black churches and and 2:00:26.200 --> 2:00:28.480 squash black men. He didn't have to. He didn't have 2:00:28.520 --> 2:00:30.120 to go to the fifth anniversity of the March on 2:00:30.240 --> 2:00:33.760 Washington and then and then dog black people saying that 2:00:34.080 --> 2:00:37.040 we used the excuses of Malcolm's death and Martin's death 2:00:37.240 --> 2:00:39.160 to engage in the culture of crime. Had a white 2:00:39.200 --> 2:00:41.440 boy said that, we would have been nuts. I sound 2:00:41.480 --> 2:00:45.160 like white supremacy. Well. Again, the anti blackness and some 2:00:45.280 --> 2:00:48.480 of Obama's rhetoric has pointed out by many writers and 2:00:48.640 --> 2:00:51.960 thinkers was really real, including Tana Has Colts who wrote 2:00:51.960 --> 2:00:55.080 about it why does he speak to us that way? 2:00:55.440 --> 2:00:58.040 In the Atlantic magazine, Obama was on some of that 2:00:58.120 --> 2:01:02.000 anti blackness as well. Man, that got deep ready for 2:01:02.000 --> 2:01:07.000 a quick time. We played a game on our show. 2:01:07.000 --> 2:01:11.760 It's called quick Time with Slim, Right, So, uh, if 2:01:11.800 --> 2:01:17.240 you could pick one or the other, and um, if 2:01:17.960 --> 2:01:20.600 politically reckon you pick both, we drink and that you're 2:01:20.600 --> 2:01:22.800 not drinking, We'll drink for you. We'll drink for you. 2:01:22.920 --> 2:01:28.080 I'm gonna get you all drunk. You Sunday computer real Sunday, 2:01:28.680 --> 2:01:32.960 your ring your ringer drinker. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. So okay, 2:01:33.240 --> 2:01:35.520 I feel like because he was rushing it. Because he 2:01:35.640 --> 2:01:39.280 was rushing it, Okay, okay, so that's cool. Yeah, that's 2:01:39.280 --> 2:01:42.480 the first part of it. Oh let me see okay, okay, okay, okay, 2:01:42.480 --> 2:01:45.720 go ahead. Oh this is good. Yeah, yeah said the 2:01:45.760 --> 2:01:52.160 first one is tupac DMX pack. Okay, ice cube, but 2:01:52.280 --> 2:02:01.600 chuck d damn y'all better drink because because Elvis was 2:02:01.640 --> 2:02:03.520 that he wrote the most money never meant to me 2:02:03.640 --> 2:02:06.120 straight up races the sucker was simple and plain or 2:02:06.240 --> 2:02:08.640 ice cube? I mean, come on, man, why is it 2:02:08.760 --> 2:02:10.480 that own time black people get it ride in a 2:02:10.560 --> 2:02:13.600 limo when they did I mean both of them genius? Yeah, 2:02:15.640 --> 2:02:22.760 jay Z Nas I mean, but look, obviously, obviously jay 2:02:22.880 --> 2:02:27.600 Z is a unique figure in the history of hip hop. 2:02:27.680 --> 2:02:31.600 There's never been a figure with that much rhetorical genius, 2:02:32.240 --> 2:02:39.080 intellectual capacity, cultural momentum, and the power to shift and 2:02:39.400 --> 2:02:43.440 change the culture with his rhetoric and then follow that 2:02:43.640 --> 2:02:49.360 up with his extraordinary embodiment of a boss. So in 2:02:49.480 --> 2:02:53.000 that sense, jay Z is unique and above anyone else 2:02:53.080 --> 2:02:55.560 to whom he could be compared. But when you look 2:02:55.640 --> 2:03:01.800 at the poetry of Naas and of Jay their geniuses sixteen, 2:03:02.160 --> 2:03:05.120 I mean started at six, and these young guys music, 2:03:05.200 --> 2:03:07.640 and they're be like, well, well they all have enough experience, 2:03:07.720 --> 2:03:10.680 and and you're like, wait a minute, look now, I 2:03:10.840 --> 2:03:14.640 started a bull assassin my architect pleases when I was hoef. 2:03:14.680 --> 2:03:16.760 I want to help for stuff in Jesus, I mean, 2:03:17.080 --> 2:03:18.880 it's only right that I was going to use mikes 2:03:18.920 --> 2:03:20.880 and the stuff that I write, it's even tougher than Dice. 2:03:20.920 --> 2:03:23.360 I'm taking rap into a new plateau through rap slow. 2:03:23.520 --> 2:03:25.960 My ram is a vitamin hell without a cap, a 2:03:26.080 --> 2:03:28.880 smooth cram on beat break. Never put me in your 2:03:28.920 --> 2:03:35.240 box at your stakes. Doubt, doubt hold, hold, but when 2:03:35.280 --> 2:03:37.280 you pay that and see, my only beef with j 2:03:37.880 --> 2:03:41.839 is that he puts Kingdom come too low in his estimation. 2:03:42.240 --> 2:03:44.320 I would write it if y'all could get it. But 2:03:44.440 --> 2:03:47.720 being intricate or get you would critics on the internet. 2:03:47.760 --> 2:03:49.880 I'm like, you should spit it. I'm saying you should 2:03:49.960 --> 2:03:56.840 buy it. Nigger, that's good business. Yeah, that's good. I 2:03:56.920 --> 2:03:59.320 agree with you. I agree. I agree with everything you said. 2:03:59.320 --> 2:04:01.680 They're both my home boys. How about that. I mean, 2:04:01.720 --> 2:04:07.680 the next one is Trump or Biden. I'm gonna pour 2:04:07.760 --> 2:04:15.440 my drink on you fast. You know it's Joe big Okay, good? Yeah, 2:04:15.480 --> 2:04:20.280 he picked and we're drinking. That's books made in America 2:04:20.440 --> 2:04:25.200 or the Black presidency made in the Oh my books. 2:04:32.520 --> 2:04:36.040 They're two tall, slim black men who are geniuses, j 2:04:36.400 --> 2:04:41.240 and and Barack Obama. But jay Z, it's such a 2:04:41.360 --> 2:04:45.000 towering figure. I gotta again to live quality or comment. 2:04:45.400 --> 2:04:50.720 Oh my god. Oh, by Jesus, y'all be killing her 2:04:50.760 --> 2:04:56.960 brother started drinking because I mean, ty lib, these cats 2:04:57.080 --> 2:05:00.760 drink champagne, told death and pain like slaves on the ship, 2:05:00.840 --> 2:05:05.600 bragging about who got the flyers chained? I mean and 2:05:06.040 --> 2:05:08.520 and when common says to a girl. You know, I 2:05:08.560 --> 2:05:11.080 won't buy you a shirt, but I will match your work. 2:05:11.320 --> 2:05:14.200 I mean in terms of and then you know the 2:05:14.400 --> 2:05:17.040 genius that he's expressed since the time he was a 2:05:17.120 --> 2:05:22.720 young boy in Chicago. Yeah, just just extraordinary people. Killer 2:05:22.800 --> 2:05:28.839 Mike or T. I again, I know both of these figures. 2:05:29.320 --> 2:05:32.440 In fact, I've known everybody you talked about. Damn, they're 2:05:32.520 --> 2:05:35.960 both incredible, man. I mean, Killer Mike, Run the Jewels 2:05:36.800 --> 2:05:41.520 is just amazing. T I bring them out, bring them out. Uh, yeah, 2:05:41.520 --> 2:05:43.920 they're both amazing. We gotta drink. We're gonna drink. We're 2:05:43.920 --> 2:05:50.480 gonna drink. Eddie Murphy, Oh damn. Now I'm gonna say this, 2:05:53.520 --> 2:06:00.280 Richard Pryor prior to pun intended. Uh, Eddie Murphy. I 2:06:00.320 --> 2:06:04.000 mean he's still maybe the stand up goat Richard. Richard 2:06:04.000 --> 2:06:07.920 Pryor right in terms of bringing the full weight of 2:06:08.120 --> 2:06:12.960 black popular culture to bear in the narratives that he spread. 2:06:13.840 --> 2:06:18.560 So in that sense, he's alone. But Eddie Murphy in 2:06:18.840 --> 2:06:23.240 terms of acting, in terms of multi you know, more 2:06:23.360 --> 2:06:27.600 than a billion dollars at the box office, nobody has 2:06:27.640 --> 2:06:30.200 been that great of a comedic actor and be able 2:06:30.240 --> 2:06:32.520 to do a great stand up and music. He did 2:06:32.640 --> 2:06:38.920 music all the time, party all the time. I mean 2:06:40.760 --> 2:06:43.640 I would say I might give a daddy on that. Okay, 2:06:43.720 --> 2:06:45.800 okay on that. You know. I'm gonna tell you why 2:06:45.840 --> 2:06:48.400 about Eddie. I was, I'm a little I'm forty five, 2:06:48.440 --> 2:06:51.480 so i'm a little um younger. I didn't really get 2:06:51.520 --> 2:06:55.760 to see prior right right, it was VHS or something 2:06:55.840 --> 2:06:58.680 like that. I remember Eddie movies coming out and me 2:06:58.880 --> 2:07:02.560 driving by the movie did and everyone suited and booted 2:07:02.920 --> 2:07:07.320 as if they're being seen. I've never seen that before 2:07:07.440 --> 2:07:11.360 like he did it. Man, he sexualized black comedy. Bill 2:07:11.480 --> 2:07:16.800 Cosby couldn't be sexualized. Well, not that we knew, man, 2:07:17.400 --> 2:07:22.320 we just got on the pool. They cut that. But 2:07:25.160 --> 2:07:28.879 I mean Dick Gregory. But Eddie Murphy brought the sexual 2:07:29.040 --> 2:07:33.160 ethos of black masculinity to bear. Not again. Richard Pryor 2:07:33.320 --> 2:07:36.360 is nonparree in terms of no comparison in terms of 2:07:36.760 --> 2:07:39.000 mud Bone and all the stories he told and the 2:07:39.080 --> 2:07:41.320 television stuff he did. But when you look at it 2:07:41.440 --> 2:07:44.640 all together, and then when you add acting, he wasn't 2:07:44.680 --> 2:07:47.120 nearly as great a comic actor as Eddie Murphy. And 2:07:47.280 --> 2:07:52.200 Eddie Murphy's range is astonishing and another young man coming up. 2:07:52.200 --> 2:07:54.360 We didn't mention him. I mean, Kevin hard to me 2:07:54.880 --> 2:07:58.839 has gotten so much more funny, has refined his craft. 2:07:59.560 --> 2:08:03.840 Is a monster on that film, and it will be 2:08:04.040 --> 2:08:09.400 challenging soon that title because of the comprehensive character of 2:08:09.520 --> 2:08:10.960 the kind of work that he does. He sat in 2:08:11.040 --> 2:08:12.960 the same see that you're sitting in, and we told 2:08:13.040 --> 2:08:15.240 him to his face, you are the closest thing to 2:08:15.440 --> 2:08:18.360 Eddie that we've been seeing. Like, because people are coming 2:08:18.400 --> 2:08:20.320 out to Kevin and there's a whole bunch of people, 2:08:20.360 --> 2:08:24.880 dumb people that say Kevin ain't funny. I'm not with them. Yeah, yeah, 2:08:25.320 --> 2:08:31.920 that's okay, o dB or Bismarkey, you you got what 2:08:32.120 --> 2:08:36.960 I need? What you say, He's just different. It might 2:08:37.000 --> 2:08:38.880 be the greatest hip hop song going Oh yeah, man, 2:08:38.920 --> 2:08:43.000 I mean I love me and Maria going back, Babil 2:08:43.120 --> 2:08:46.400 pacifying old dirt Dog. I have to get that to 2:08:46.560 --> 2:08:49.280 a biss market. Okay. Bismarck, Okay, that's cool. That's that's 2:08:49.320 --> 2:08:51.840 the person who I wanted to be like Bismarck because 2:08:52.320 --> 2:08:54.400 at the time Rapp was so serious and when I 2:08:54.440 --> 2:08:56.600 heard picking Boogers, I was like, wait a minute, Yeah, 2:08:56.920 --> 2:08:58.840 I want to be like that. Yeah, no, no doubt, no, 2:08:59.000 --> 2:09:00.600 this is like an oxymor wrong because I think we 2:09:00.640 --> 2:09:02.200 ask you this in a different way, but we're gonna 2:09:02.200 --> 2:09:06.720 actually it again. In w A or Public Enemy Oh damn, 2:09:07.840 --> 2:09:11.840 oh my god, I mean the I mean Public Enemy's 2:09:11.880 --> 2:09:16.120 influence is just it's just astonishing. I mean when you 2:09:16.200 --> 2:09:23.360 think about the clown and the court gesture and the 2:09:23.480 --> 2:09:27.840 king right in terms of right, I mean just what 2:09:28.120 --> 2:09:33.720 was right? Right? Yeah, exactly, I mean, I mean Terminator 2:09:33.880 --> 2:09:36.080 X is right in terms of that. So but n 2:09:36.280 --> 2:09:39.080 w A was powerful. I mean when the fter police 2:09:39.160 --> 2:09:41.960 came out, But then I had to explain to myself, 2:09:42.000 --> 2:09:43.440 a B is just to be as just, to be 2:09:43.560 --> 2:09:46.800 as just to be. So the parts of toxic masculinity 2:09:47.080 --> 2:09:49.800 that they expressed, the misogyny and the hatred of women, 2:09:50.320 --> 2:09:53.680 is so overwhelmingly negative. But at the same time, the 2:09:53.800 --> 2:09:56.800 power of their witness uh to social justice. But I'd 2:09:56.800 --> 2:10:00.160 have to choose p you Oh you skipped the quen 2:10:00.200 --> 2:10:04.920 Latif for MC light Oh damn drink because they're both 2:10:05.080 --> 2:10:07.560 I love them and know them both amazing, and they 2:10:07.640 --> 2:10:10.840 affected the genre in many ways. I mean, and to 2:10:10.920 --> 2:10:13.600 see both of them go on to become what they 2:10:13.640 --> 2:10:17.240 are I mean, you know, Queen Latifa, like who knew right, 2:10:17.360 --> 2:10:21.320 can sing, can act? I mean like a female Will 2:10:21.440 --> 2:10:23.440 Smith at that level if you will, she can fight 2:10:23.520 --> 2:10:28.600 to me in my mind, oh yeah, no doubt and 2:10:28.800 --> 2:10:31.880 mc light. I mean just in terms of the flow, 2:10:32.560 --> 2:10:36.920 the funky acrobatics of her rhetoric. And then now making 2:10:36.960 --> 2:10:40.919 a career job what is it? What is it Benjamin 2:10:40.960 --> 2:10:44.920 Button's when you were Oh yeah, she's she's young God 2:10:45.280 --> 2:10:50.520 just incredibly uh intelligent and beautiful both because I've been 2:10:50.760 --> 2:10:53.600 her voice is everywhere now, I mean her as as 2:10:53.960 --> 2:10:56.680 right doing these you know shows. I mean, she has 2:10:56.840 --> 2:11:00.560 invented another career in terms of announcing, in terms of 2:11:00.640 --> 2:11:03.160 broadcasting and stuff, and still out there. I did. I've 2:11:03.200 --> 2:11:05.560 done many events where where we we did a at 2:11:05.600 --> 2:11:08.400 Syracuse University where we had a conversation brilliant, brilliant, both 2:11:08.440 --> 2:11:13.000 of them, amazing beautiful eighties hip hop or nineties hip hop. 2:11:15.760 --> 2:11:18.480 He could go back to that. Yeah, I'm gonna have 2:11:18.680 --> 2:11:22.320 to rock with nineties nineties. I mean, you know, I'm 2:11:22.360 --> 2:11:25.400 gonna I'm gonna have to say, uh, back in the 2:11:25.520 --> 2:11:28.160 days our parents used to take care of us, Look 2:11:28.240 --> 2:11:31.000 at them now they're even scared of us calling the 2:11:31.040 --> 2:11:34.080 city for help because they can't maintain damn things done. 2:11:34.640 --> 2:11:37.040 If I wasn't in the rap game, I probably have 2:11:37.160 --> 2:11:39.360 a key knee deep in the crack game. I mean 2:11:39.960 --> 2:11:43.400 nineties and then Nas and Jade. I mean when Jay 2:11:43.480 --> 2:11:46.040 said they're having a debate about who's the three greatest 2:11:46.360 --> 2:11:49.520 biggie not he wasn't even he wasn't even in the 2:11:49.600 --> 2:11:51.720 conversation at that point, But he was in the conversation. 2:11:51.960 --> 2:11:55.520 That's how, that's how, that's how for making his genius. Oh, 2:11:55.640 --> 2:11:57.560 there ain't no doubt about he put himself in a 2:11:57.640 --> 2:12:01.520 category he wasn't. He knew and that's a lesson. That's 2:12:01.520 --> 2:12:05.520 a lesson to people. You know who you are, you assistance. 2:12:05.560 --> 2:12:09.240 He spoke that, He spoke that. Now you won't think 2:12:09.280 --> 2:12:13.200 of those three without each other because he's in a stratus. 2:12:13.520 --> 2:12:18.200 That's crazy. Forgot that. Yeah, you want um higher learning 2:12:18.360 --> 2:12:23.040 or American History X ah, Yeah, I might have to 2:12:23.080 --> 2:12:25.960 go higher learning. You know. American History X was beautiful 2:12:26.000 --> 2:12:30.320 because it exposed the gut bucket realities of white supremacy 2:12:30.360 --> 2:12:33.640 in this transformation. But higher learning, I mean John Singleton 2:12:33.840 --> 2:12:37.280 was just such a great artist, director, and I think 2:12:37.280 --> 2:12:40.120 you're trying to rest, right, trying to struggle with what's that? 2:12:40.240 --> 2:12:42.200 Plus he put Pocket in the movie. You know, wanted 2:12:42.200 --> 2:12:45.200 to put Pocket in the movies and it was beautiful 2:12:45.280 --> 2:12:48.040 and baby, you know what was that place? Big rabbing 2:12:48.080 --> 2:12:52.760 for who's getting jacked right now because he you know, 2:12:52.960 --> 2:12:55.440 sometimes people gotta mind any business. And I'm not saying 2:12:55.520 --> 2:12:58.520 this is to his case, but I feel like this 2:12:58.680 --> 2:13:02.000 is this is even though because he chalmed in on 2:13:03.280 --> 2:13:05.520 something that you said about black people, and when he 2:13:05.680 --> 2:13:10.640 chalmed in, he called yeah crackpot and oh man, I 2:13:11.760 --> 2:13:13.920 go it was it was almost like our people was 2:13:14.000 --> 2:13:18.000 like we could talk about him, not you, right, So 2:13:18.360 --> 2:13:21.960 they are dragging report right now. But he made that 2:13:22.120 --> 2:13:26.440 he made that documentary on tropical Quests quest. I mean, 2:13:26.760 --> 2:13:30.040 that's one of the greatest documentary. So pick him up. 2:13:30.120 --> 2:13:33.880 Let's see him getting dragged to the meeting. Yeah, to 2:13:33.920 --> 2:13:36.120 get him on drink. I think should do the podcast, 2:13:37.240 --> 2:13:44.240 podcasts or radio. Who I mean, podcasts are where it's 2:13:44.280 --> 2:13:46.600 at right now. But I'm old school too. I love 2:13:46.640 --> 2:13:48.320 to go just listen to that day I'm radio and 2:13:48.360 --> 2:13:50.680 here's some music I've never heard before. The podcast, But 2:13:51.160 --> 2:13:56.880 drink Champs in particular, this is this, this is this 2:13:57.040 --> 2:13:59.200 is the same question. Let's out right, But I want 2:13:59.240 --> 2:14:04.120 to know if you met either, because the stories Michael 2:14:04.200 --> 2:14:08.640 Jackson or Prince I met him both. Let me tell 2:14:08.640 --> 2:14:12.640 you what. Here's Michael Jackson. We're in the bathroom at 2:14:12.720 --> 2:14:16.760 Johnny Cochran's funeral. That already sounds crazy, already sounds like 2:14:16.800 --> 2:14:19.680 a crazy set up. We're in the bathroom and Michael 2:14:19.880 --> 2:14:23.240 in the church at West Angeles Church of God in 2:14:23.320 --> 2:14:27.720 Christ passed by the great UH Bishop Charles Blake now 2:14:27.880 --> 2:14:31.920 his son co pastor, and we're in the bathroom during 2:14:32.080 --> 2:14:35.240 you know, ol J is in the in the funeral too. 2:14:36.560 --> 2:14:40.360 I got hope. I was hoping that Nero didn't recognize 2:14:41.480 --> 2:14:44.840 we're in the bathroom. Michael Jackson is washing his hands 2:14:45.320 --> 2:14:47.400 and he turns them and he says, did you have 2:14:47.480 --> 2:14:55.200 gloves on? When he goes, I like how you talk 2:14:55.280 --> 2:15:00.320 on TV? I said what I said, I like how 2:15:00.400 --> 2:15:08.680 you saying single on stage? All right now with Prince, 2:15:09.200 --> 2:15:13.400 Prince invited me along with a couple others to his 2:15:13.720 --> 2:15:18.040 UH to his palatial mansion of what do you call it? 2:15:18.120 --> 2:15:22.040 The in UH Minneapolis and Lake Minetauqua. Yeah, right, to 2:15:22.200 --> 2:15:24.560 the what's the purple palet? I mean, not the purple palete? 2:15:24.680 --> 2:15:26.280 My why am I blocking? This is a senior moment. 2:15:26.560 --> 2:15:28.880 The famous place he has there in Minnesota will come 2:15:28.960 --> 2:15:31.480 to it. What did they call it? Yeah, please google 2:15:31.520 --> 2:15:33.160 that because I don't want to look like a complete fool. 2:15:34.000 --> 2:15:39.440 Thank you man. And so he invites us and we 2:15:39.600 --> 2:15:43.320 haven't Paisley Park. Yeah, so he has Uh is that 2:15:43.360 --> 2:15:45.520 what it's called? The one where where we went? Okay, 2:15:45.800 --> 2:15:48.760 so he we're having a little He invites me because 2:15:48.800 --> 2:15:51.000 he sees me on TV. Thinks I'm smart talking stuff. 2:15:51.360 --> 2:15:54.080 He says, but he says, you, you know, you defend 2:15:54.200 --> 2:15:57.800 gay people. I said, yeah, I mean, but you're a preacher. 2:15:57.920 --> 2:16:01.760 Now he had just got converted, remember being uh some 2:16:02.000 --> 2:16:04.880 no not some day uh when Michael Jackson with Michael 2:16:04.920 --> 2:16:07.760 Jesson left and he went in not something. Jehovah's witness 2:16:07.880 --> 2:16:11.680 was Jehovah's witness. And I'm thinking, Prince, you've been a 2:16:11.800 --> 2:16:15.360 patron saint for androgeny and to myself. I didn't say 2:16:15.400 --> 2:16:17.440 this him, but moving forward, but what I did say 2:16:17.480 --> 2:16:21.440 to him is that, yeah, because I believe God loves everybody, 2:16:21.440 --> 2:16:24.400 either God created everybody a God ain't created nobody, sir, so, 2:16:24.640 --> 2:16:26.880 I I definitely believe. So we had a little argument 2:16:26.960 --> 2:16:31.520 there and then uh, I said, are you telling me 2:16:32.320 --> 2:16:35.840 that all the music you had before you were converted 2:16:36.320 --> 2:16:38.800 is the devil's music? And he basically said yes. I said, 2:16:38.840 --> 2:16:41.640 I disagree with that. I said, when you made Signs 2:16:41.680 --> 2:16:44.920 of the Times, I said, that's God speaking to you, sir, so, 2:16:45.280 --> 2:16:48.480 I disagree. But then out in an event with Tavis 2:16:48.560 --> 2:16:52.279 Smiley out in l a, uh, Princess playing on stage 2:16:52.320 --> 2:16:56.880 and he says, I know Mr Dyson can talk, but 2:16:57.000 --> 2:17:02.160 any dance, I said, son Son Son, So me and 2:17:02.640 --> 2:17:05.320 Centric Entertainer got on stage and started a little dance party. 2:17:05.680 --> 2:17:08.240 Everybody else joined it. So yeah, my Prince and uh 2:17:08.720 --> 2:17:12.240 Michael Jackson stories there and then Princeton to have his assts. 2:17:14.280 --> 2:17:18.440 No no, no, no chapters revealing the as tronomical side. 2:17:18.520 --> 2:17:21.280 No no, no, no. At least Prince was gangster what 2:17:21.480 --> 2:17:24.640 his ass out playing basketball in them high heills. I 2:17:24.680 --> 2:17:27.960 mean Prince was was was cold bloody, no doubt about that. 2:17:28.560 --> 2:17:31.720 I haven't met either one, just like Martin Luther King 2:17:31.760 --> 2:17:34.960 on Malcolm X, I love them both, and Martin Luther 2:17:35.040 --> 2:17:37.200 King Junior for me, and the reason, I'll tell you, 2:17:37.720 --> 2:17:42.040 Malcolm X changed the psychology of black people in such 2:17:42.080 --> 2:17:45.000 a fundamental way. He would have been so tonic and 2:17:45.120 --> 2:17:51.280 helpful to Kanye West, teaching him about the complicity he 2:17:51.640 --> 2:17:56.080 exhibits with the white supremacy that he's been seduced by. 2:17:56.200 --> 2:18:01.039 All Right, but Martin Luther King Jr. Changed the world 2:18:01.160 --> 2:18:05.840 for black people. He changed the law. Malcolm X changed 2:18:05.920 --> 2:18:10.640 the mindset of some ching changed to the law. When 2:18:10.680 --> 2:18:13.840 I say King, I mean, uh, you know, Ella Baker, 2:18:14.520 --> 2:18:16.960 I mean Septum mclark, I mean all the black women 2:18:17.000 --> 2:18:18.800 and others who work with him. But he has the 2:18:19.000 --> 2:18:24.440 symbol the nineteen sixty four Civil Rights Bill, the nineteen 2:18:24.520 --> 2:18:28.360 sixty Voting Rights Act, and in the wake of his death, 2:18:28.440 --> 2:18:32.880 the nineteen Fair Housing Act. That's the holy trinity of 2:18:33.400 --> 2:18:36.600 social justice. And then when I was nine years old, 2:18:36.640 --> 2:18:39.840 he was murdered. I'd never heard of him, and I'm 2:18:39.879 --> 2:18:42.680 looking at television. I'm sitting there, my father's in his 2:18:42.760 --> 2:18:44.600 favorite seat behind me. We're in the hood and the 2:18:44.640 --> 2:18:48.840 ghetto in Detroit. And the newsman broke faith with the 2:18:48.920 --> 2:18:53.039 original program and said, tonight at six o one local time, 2:18:53.080 --> 2:18:55.240 martinster King Jr. Was shot. I don't think they announced 2:18:55.240 --> 2:18:58.800 he was dead. And then he was standing there. Uh, 2:18:59.600 --> 2:19:03.199 We've got some difficult days ahead, but I'm not concerned 2:19:03.240 --> 2:19:06.280 about that now. I just want to do Guard's will. 2:19:07.240 --> 2:19:09.440 And he's allowed me to go up to the mountain, 2:19:10.040 --> 2:19:14.440 and I've looked over and I've seen the promised Land. 2:19:15.200 --> 2:19:17.600 I may not get there with you, but i want 2:19:17.640 --> 2:19:21.040 you to know tonight that we as a people will 2:19:21.120 --> 2:19:23.720 get to the Promised Land. And so I'm not worried 2:19:23.760 --> 2:19:27.040 about anything. I'm not fearing any man mine eyes. And 2:19:27.120 --> 2:19:30.440 then he turned around and fell into the arms of 2:19:30.600 --> 2:19:34.880 Ralph Abernathy and Jesse Jackson for the last words and 2:19:34.959 --> 2:19:38.560 the public declaration that he uttered on this earth before 2:19:38.879 --> 2:19:43.720 a bullet sent across a parking lot of a motel 2:19:44.320 --> 2:19:48.960 found its unerring target in the skull and flesh of 2:19:49.080 --> 2:19:51.840 Martin Luther King Jr. At thirty nine years old, clipped 2:19:51.959 --> 2:19:56.680 his tie, pulled open his jaw, and his feet were 2:19:56.840 --> 2:20:00.920 bicycling as if he were on a vice go. And 2:20:01.040 --> 2:20:08.240 the greatest we've ever produced died that day. Gobs Bruce 2:20:08.360 --> 2:20:15.120 Lee or Chuck Norris, Oh, Bruce Lee, Yes, Donald Trump Jr. 2:20:16.879 --> 2:20:22.640 Donald Trump Norris is Oh my good, Chuck Hill, and 2:20:22.720 --> 2:20:25.840 I'll be watching them retreads of the seventies mill. Chuck 2:20:25.920 --> 2:20:30.000 Norris is a right winger. Bro. It also wasn't need 2:20:30.080 --> 2:20:33.240 Bruce Lee student to start with. I mean he was, right, Chuck. 2:20:33.320 --> 2:20:35.520 I mean, Bruce Lee is the man. I mean, Kareem 2:20:35.560 --> 2:20:37.360 ab dude Jabbar was even checking out with him and 2:20:37.440 --> 2:20:41.200 Jim Kelly with water flow like water Oh yeah, right, 2:20:41.280 --> 2:20:43.840 I mean yeah, Chuck Norris. Can't you know, handle his 2:20:43.920 --> 2:20:53.080 new Chucks? Okay, most of death or Black Thought. Oh damn, drink, Bro, drink, 2:20:53.120 --> 2:20:56.680 I can't. I mean, both of them geniuses speaches my 2:20:56.800 --> 2:20:58.560 hammer banged the world in the shape and now let 2:20:58.640 --> 2:21:02.320 it fall. All the black thoughts said, slice him like 2:21:02.400 --> 2:21:05.080 a vic um like Michael Eric Dyson. Okay, I just 2:21:05.320 --> 2:21:08.400 I gotta show him love. I gotta show him. Look, therefore, 2:21:08.400 --> 2:21:12.080 I better say black call. I gotta give Black Thought 2:21:12.160 --> 2:21:15.240 to Nod because he gave me so much love. And 2:21:15.600 --> 2:21:17.760 but both of the her geniuses. I mean, when you 2:21:17.920 --> 2:21:23.520 have Lynn Manuel Miranda texting you saying, did you see 2:21:23.959 --> 2:21:27.080 the friend? What the the funk? Flash? I mean the 2:21:29.800 --> 2:21:33.360 oh my god, he was like, Bro, He's already knew 2:21:33.360 --> 2:21:37.120 he was top ten. But my god, so yeah, yeah, yeah, 2:21:37.160 --> 2:21:40.440 Black Thoughts body of work is so powerful and so dance. 2:21:40.480 --> 2:21:43.199 I mean both of them. Her genius is. But Black 2:21:43.240 --> 2:21:49.000 Thoughts extraordinary output even into his fifties. It's quite remarkable. 2:21:49.360 --> 2:21:53.680 Dave Chappelle or Chris Rock drink up, bro drink up. 2:21:54.320 --> 2:21:57.280 But both of them again, I mean Chris Rock in 2:21:57.400 --> 2:22:02.120 between after Eddie, Chris Rock had the crown, I mean 2:22:02.160 --> 2:22:04.720 as a stand up right and and getting into acting 2:22:04.760 --> 2:22:06.800 as well, Top five and others that he did extraordinarily 2:22:06.879 --> 2:22:09.360 well stand up. Whatever he do, it is gonna be Oh. 2:22:09.879 --> 2:22:11.480 I mean he's doing around, going to country now. I 2:22:11.560 --> 2:22:15.080 just want to see him, right, you're right, you're right. 2:22:15.520 --> 2:22:19.040 So his genius, I mean, he's more political in that sense. 2:22:19.080 --> 2:22:22.320 He's more traced to you know, some of the white 2:22:22.400 --> 2:22:24.520 you know, Mort Saul and some of the white comedians 2:22:24.520 --> 2:22:28.879 who were explicitly political than to Richard Pryor. Richard Pryor 2:22:29.040 --> 2:22:31.840 was cultural in a way that had political consequence when 2:22:31.879 --> 2:22:34.600 he was he wasn't explicitly political in the way that 2:22:34.760 --> 2:22:37.680 Chris Rock is. So Chris Rock would be the greatest 2:22:37.720 --> 2:22:40.720 political comedian in that sense within our genre. And then 2:22:40.840 --> 2:22:44.800 Dave Chappelle as you know, taking up and combining the 2:22:44.879 --> 2:22:48.440 kind of cultural apparatus of a of a of a 2:22:48.800 --> 2:22:52.720 Richard Pryor and then being able to improvise. Right, Chris 2:22:52.920 --> 2:22:57.320 Rock is hip hop. Dave Chappelle is jazz, you know, 2:22:57.560 --> 2:23:01.480 just telling the story. He's just aking to you, and 2:23:01.600 --> 2:23:04.400 Chris Rock is hitting you with the rapid fire you know, 2:23:04.560 --> 2:23:08.959 insight from there. So they're both extraordinary geniuses. Okay, Jesse 2:23:09.160 --> 2:23:14.160 Jackson or Al Sharpton, Yeah, drink up, bro, But you 2:23:14.240 --> 2:23:17.000 know they're both friends of mine, and they're both amazing. 2:23:17.040 --> 2:23:22.760 I mean Jesse Jackson. I put Jesse Jackson number one, 2:23:22.840 --> 2:23:28.200 Martin to King Jr. Number two, Frederick Douglas number three, 2:23:28.280 --> 2:23:32.520 Jesse Jackson. Well, between Jesse and Harry Tubman, they can 2:23:32.560 --> 2:23:35.560 flip either one. But I'm gonna tell you how Jesse 2:23:35.800 --> 2:23:39.720 Jackson has never been given his due, and not until 2:23:39.760 --> 2:23:43.000 he's dead for a few years will people understand what 2:23:43.080 --> 2:23:45.360 he did. He took the time from Martin US King Jr. 2:23:45.360 --> 2:23:47.920 Who was thirty nine, Jesse was twenty six. He's not 2:23:48.080 --> 2:23:52.480 what eight e three, somewhere around eighty four almost, uh 2:23:52.800 --> 2:23:55.600 maybe eighty two eighty three, and they just had a birthday. 2:23:55.920 --> 2:23:59.520 Jesse Jackson carried us from Martin Luther King Jr's death 2:24:00.640 --> 2:24:04.720 right until Al Sharpton Essentially right takes that of that 2:24:04.840 --> 2:24:09.040 particular variety of leadership. So Jesse canceled Muhammad Ali. Jesse 2:24:09.200 --> 2:24:11.920 Jackson was biased. I mean all of that, from from 2:24:12.040 --> 2:24:15.640 nineteen eight King's death to the backlash against the Fern 2:24:15.680 --> 2:24:18.360 of Action the nineteen seventies. Jesse Jackson, I'm gonna tell 2:24:18.360 --> 2:24:22.920 your story. I was writing Jesse Jackson's just Just Anyone. 2:24:23.280 --> 2:24:27.440 Jesse Jackson was I was writing his book nineteen nine. 2:24:28.080 --> 2:24:30.600 I was writing his Uh, I've never written a book before, 2:24:30.640 --> 2:24:33.560 but he hired me. I was, yeah, I was gonna 2:24:33.720 --> 2:24:35.360 ghost right. I might even had my name on the 2:24:35.440 --> 2:24:40.760 cover his book. And we were going we had gone 2:24:40.800 --> 2:24:43.800 to see Mandela in London. We were there were at 2:24:43.840 --> 2:24:50.640 a table Anita Baker parents, Trent Darby, Patty LaBelle, and 2:24:51.600 --> 2:24:55.560 Tracy Chapman, and it's like ninety one and pet Bell 2:24:55.600 --> 2:24:57.680 said I could listen to you talk all day. I 2:24:57.800 --> 2:25:01.960 was like, thank you. If only you knew. So. So 2:25:02.920 --> 2:25:06.080 I'm with Jesse Jackson in the car once and he's 2:25:06.120 --> 2:25:08.200 going He's I said, where are you going? Rev? Because 2:25:08.200 --> 2:25:10.440 I'm still writing something. The interviewing, and he said, I'm 2:25:10.480 --> 2:25:12.800 going to Harvard. I said, what are you doing to Harvard? 2:25:13.000 --> 2:25:15.200 He said, I'm about to have a debate. I said, 2:25:15.240 --> 2:25:18.160 who are you debating? He said, it really don't matter. Damn. 2:25:18.200 --> 2:25:20.600 I mean, like bro, like, I don't it don't I 2:25:20.800 --> 2:25:23.680 don't care. I'm gonna be in this battle and I'm 2:25:23.720 --> 2:25:27.160 gonna whip that ass right. That's how great he was 2:25:27.560 --> 2:25:31.960 and is. Al Sharpton is the grost remarkable leader we 2:25:32.160 --> 2:25:35.840 have in present day, and a man who's transformation has 2:25:35.879 --> 2:25:40.560 been astonishing from being seen as an outsider limited in 2:25:41.360 --> 2:25:45.440 uh in the minds of many of his greatness and 2:25:45.720 --> 2:25:48.280 invented himself. He he became half the man he was 2:25:48.640 --> 2:25:54.920 like literally and then metaphorically, he transformed himself into a 2:25:55.080 --> 2:25:59.360 leader that Barack Obama saw as the premier black leader 2:25:59.400 --> 2:26:02.720 in America. And Sharpton had to do something no other 2:26:02.760 --> 2:26:05.840 black leaders had to do, deal with the black president 2:26:06.320 --> 2:26:10.000 as the power that be and hold him to account 2:26:10.400 --> 2:26:12.800 and at the tame same time show him love. That 2:26:13.080 --> 2:26:16.440 was an extremely difficult thing in Al Sharpton as the leader, 2:26:16.720 --> 2:26:21.039 but as an articulate spokesman, as a person who shows 2:26:21.160 --> 2:26:24.720 up to give visibility to the most serious issue we 2:26:24.840 --> 2:26:28.000 have in America today for black people, which is police 2:26:28.040 --> 2:26:31.400 brutality in the murder of our people. And Al Sharpton 2:26:31.560 --> 2:26:33.360 was doing that. I was arrested with Al Sharpton in 2:26:33.440 --> 2:26:38.120 the late nineties. Al Sharpton was onto police brutality when 2:26:38.160 --> 2:26:40.640 he was a bigger version of himself and in those 2:26:40.879 --> 2:26:43.680 running suits and black people were looking down at him. Uh, 2:26:43.800 --> 2:26:46.720 that's he dealing with what thugs. He's dealing with criminals. 2:26:46.760 --> 2:26:49.280 He's always dealing with the police until their kids started dying. 2:26:49.720 --> 2:26:52.320 And now he became an American hero. So both of 2:26:52.400 --> 2:26:55.400 them incredible geniuses. I can't lie to you. I've had 2:26:55.640 --> 2:27:00.200 dinner in Crustaceans in l a and they they said, 2:27:00.280 --> 2:27:03.080 Jesse Jackson is over there. It was the only person 2:27:03.200 --> 2:27:05.640 like slash celebrity that I was scared to say I to. 2:27:06.120 --> 2:27:08.160 I was like, I was like, how then do you 2:27:08.200 --> 2:27:12.200 go say how to Jack Jackson? I'm just like, my 2:27:12.320 --> 2:27:15.960 name is yeah, how do I woke O? YEA, yeah. 2:27:15.959 --> 2:27:20.640 I was so scared though I was alive. Al Shopton, 2:27:20.720 --> 2:27:23.280 so let me say say that about Jesse and of 2:27:23.400 --> 2:27:26.360 course all the beautiful things him showing up. But you know, 2:27:26.480 --> 2:27:30.640 me being from New York and me, you know, getting 2:27:30.680 --> 2:27:34.960 to see any type of type of crime, bad things 2:27:35.000 --> 2:27:37.520 that happened. Al Shopton will always have Remember when I 2:27:37.640 --> 2:27:39.760 first got like a little bit famous. It's a little 2:27:39.760 --> 2:27:42.800 bit and I would see certain things that that would 2:27:42.800 --> 2:27:46.920 be my goal to thing. I'm calling out Shopton and 2:27:47.160 --> 2:27:52.840 people would sho, what do we do wrong? Oh? Like, yeah, 2:27:55.160 --> 2:27:56.520 I don't know if you've ever met me, know the 2:27:56.560 --> 2:28:01.320 hell I am. I weaponized your name Bottles, I don't 2:28:01.360 --> 2:28:05.440 know about Oh you lumped definitely will say that. What 2:28:05.560 --> 2:28:09.360 would you say? Yeah, I just looked like I knew 2:28:09.400 --> 2:28:12.760 I'll Sharpton and Al Sharpton comes out of that tree. 2:28:12.879 --> 2:28:16.120 Al Sharpton is the greatest from jaxponent of Jesse Jackson 2:28:16.760 --> 2:28:19.520 way of thought and way of approach and Jesse from 2:28:19.879 --> 2:28:23.000 from King. So that's a hell of a triumvirant. Okay, 2:28:23.040 --> 2:28:26.720 hold on, God, When the next one, Tyson or Ali, 2:28:29.200 --> 2:28:31.640 I'd have to say, Muhammad Ali. I love Mike Tyson too, 2:28:31.720 --> 2:28:34.360 though just in terms of fisticals. But Ali was so 2:28:34.640 --> 2:28:37.920 huge in terms of what he meant in terms of 2:28:38.120 --> 2:28:42.680 off stage, off the canvas, outside the boxing ring, I'll 2:28:42.720 --> 2:28:44.560 give you a Muhammad Ali story if you want to 2:28:44.600 --> 2:28:48.560 hear it. So again, I was one of eight scholars 2:28:48.600 --> 2:28:51.520 who was invited to give papers on Muhammad Ali. So 2:28:51.600 --> 2:28:53.840 I talked about his rhetoric and his daughter was rapping then, 2:28:54.280 --> 2:28:57.080 so I talked about the relationship between his dog girl. 2:28:57.560 --> 2:29:00.400 You know lights, you know, but what is it? Light? 2:29:00.480 --> 2:29:03.400 Is a butterfly stinging like a b you know, and 2:29:04.440 --> 2:29:06.160 float like a butterfly's thing like a b. And I 2:29:06.280 --> 2:29:09.840 was talking about doggerel poetry in his relationship to hip hop. 2:29:10.560 --> 2:29:12.560 So anyway, so I got a chance to hang out 2:29:12.560 --> 2:29:14.520 with him, asked him questions. I said, you were wrong 2:29:14.520 --> 2:29:16.600 about Malcolm X, weren't you. He said, yes, I was 2:29:16.800 --> 2:29:22.240 because remember he split with Malcolm with the minister Mohammed Uh. 2:29:22.720 --> 2:29:24.640 And he showed me pictures of him and him and 2:29:24.800 --> 2:29:28.480 uh Elvis Presley had two pretty two pretty man that 2:29:28.640 --> 2:29:32.760 kind of thing. Then about a year later, we see 2:29:32.840 --> 2:29:36.040 him coming through the airport and I, you know, I 2:29:36.160 --> 2:29:39.120 tell my wife, he'll he'll never remember me, you know, 2:29:39.240 --> 2:29:41.520 It's just it was just a magical day. So we 2:29:41.600 --> 2:29:43.200 get closer and I go up to him. I said, 2:29:43.320 --> 2:29:46.200 Mr Alie, I said, you know my name is Michael 2:29:46.360 --> 2:29:49.280 Eric Dyson. And before I can finish, he leaned over. 2:29:49.320 --> 2:29:55.039 He said, you that nigga that can talk. I said, 2:29:55.040 --> 2:29:58.840 I wear that with prize. I'm that nigga that can talk, Yes, sir. 2:29:59.480 --> 2:30:04.320 But he was amazing, amazing, transformative figure. Tyson was a 2:30:04.360 --> 2:30:07.320 bad boy too. I mean Tyson was equally important in 2:30:07.440 --> 2:30:10.760 terms of the culture, uh, in terms of style, in 2:30:10.920 --> 2:30:14.480 terms of his presence, his complications, his changes and what 2:30:14.600 --> 2:30:17.280 he's become right now. It's pretty remarkable. See. I always 2:30:17.480 --> 2:30:22.560 picked Tyson over Ali. People chastise me for this. I 2:30:22.640 --> 2:30:25.680 picked Floyd over Ali. Right. I got to see as 2:30:25.680 --> 2:30:27.680 a fighter, I got yeah, yeah, yeah, I got to 2:30:27.720 --> 2:30:31.040 fight the Floyd fights. Yeah, Floyd was most fights. I 2:30:31.120 --> 2:30:33.840 got to see what was on re run and when 2:30:33.879 --> 2:30:36.160 my father watched it. My father will always tell me 2:30:36.240 --> 2:30:40.879 what happened before watch watch the left. When why are 2:30:40.920 --> 2:30:43.440 you telling me, like I'm sitting here trying to learn that. 2:30:43.600 --> 2:30:46.760 He he would always do that. So that's the reason. Yeah. 2:30:46.800 --> 2:30:49.080 But I mean, Floyd there is a fighter just on 2:30:49.200 --> 2:30:51.640 the fight game. Be hard to say. He was the 2:30:51.680 --> 2:30:54.560 greatest man, the defensive fighter. I sat down with him 2:30:54.560 --> 2:30:56.840 into the HBO, specially when we talked about is fighting 2:30:56.879 --> 2:31:00.320 as well. Yeah, yeah, I love Floyd master Po bird it. Man, 2:31:01.879 --> 2:31:04.760 I'm gonna have to go Masterp. I don't know no plane. 2:31:04.800 --> 2:31:07.000 I don't know no dope. I don't ship no dope 2:31:07.000 --> 2:31:09.960 from coast to cope. You know. Come on, man, I 2:31:10.040 --> 2:31:12.200 don't know no plane. I don't know no boat. I 2:31:12.280 --> 2:31:15.200 don't ship no dope from coast to coast. Come on. 2:31:17.160 --> 2:31:21.640 He made grunting in the bathroom and National Time, and 2:31:21.720 --> 2:31:26.279 he's a He's a wonderful, sublime human being. Nipsy Hustle 2:31:26.400 --> 2:31:30.720 or easy Nipsey. I gotta go Nepsy. We are easy. 2:31:30.879 --> 2:31:33.640 I mean I loved Easy, but Nipsey Hustle. Let me 2:31:33.760 --> 2:31:36.200 give me my Nipsey Hustle story, if you know. So. 2:31:37.640 --> 2:31:40.120 I'm getting on a plane from l A to New 2:31:40.240 --> 2:31:44.520 York and I'm getting into my seat. Walter Mosley, the 2:31:44.560 --> 2:31:47.400 great writers on the right, Van Jones on the left. 2:31:48.120 --> 2:31:50.920 I'm on this plane and this young man gets in 2:31:51.040 --> 2:31:56.000 and he says, uh, excuse me, are you Michael Eric Dyson. 2:31:56.360 --> 2:31:59.840 I said, yes, sir, I am. He said, wow, I 2:32:00.040 --> 2:32:03.520 read your books. I said, are you Nipsey Hustle? Look, 2:32:04.200 --> 2:32:05.840 he said, yes, I am. I said, and I pulled 2:32:05.920 --> 2:32:09.480 up my my iPhone and I had his latest Marathon 2:32:09.640 --> 2:32:12.120 playing right here. He was like, oh my god, I said, Oh, 2:32:12.160 --> 2:32:15.320 I ain't talking to dog I live in And so 2:32:15.480 --> 2:32:17.360 for three and a half four four hours, four and 2:32:17.360 --> 2:32:21.520 a half hours we had a NonStop conversation, mostly led 2:32:21.800 --> 2:32:26.080 by the way by Nipsey Hustle, his intelligence, his curiosity. 2:32:26.360 --> 2:32:29.480 He's wanting to know things. You're ready to pick my brain, 2:32:29.840 --> 2:32:33.920 asked me. Certain things respond to certain things. A remarkable, 2:32:34.000 --> 2:32:37.840 remarkable human being. Rest in piece of the ball. Yeah, 2:32:37.959 --> 2:32:44.280 rest in peace to the boy damn you know him? 2:32:44.320 --> 2:32:51.680 Both do yeah, drink up? So Pharrell, Look, they're both geniuses, 2:32:51.760 --> 2:32:54.360 let's be real. Pharrell changed the sonic landscape in his 2:32:54.440 --> 2:32:58.880 own right too. Kanye and a performer with Chad you 2:32:59.040 --> 2:33:03.960 go in with the Neptunes, so irremarkable what Kanye did 2:33:04.440 --> 2:33:07.840 as a rapper, right, maybe arguably before Kanye, it was 2:33:08.920 --> 2:33:11.160 say Dr Dre in terms of can rap and control 2:33:11.240 --> 2:33:14.240 the maestro? You know, you know, because people look, look 2:33:14.320 --> 2:33:16.440 Drey has skills on that microphone. I mean it just 2:33:17.520 --> 2:33:21.440 one of the dopest come on right. So then you 2:33:21.600 --> 2:33:26.320 but Kanye comes along with that backpack mentality and the 2:33:26.480 --> 2:33:30.720 honesty that he has the ability to bring together a 2:33:30.920 --> 2:33:35.200 most definite talent quality and a j just to get by, 2:33:35.480 --> 2:33:38.080 just to get hot, right, I mean to bring them together, 2:33:38.160 --> 2:33:42.480 to bring Jay together with um the spoken word artist 2:33:42.560 --> 2:33:45.840 j I Vey on his first album to have themes 2:33:45.920 --> 2:33:51.279 about social justice, about wanting material things about your own hypocrisy. 2:33:51.879 --> 2:33:58.480 I mean, Kanye's transparency was astonishing or is astonishing. And 2:33:59.080 --> 2:34:02.520 as an artist, and his ability to evolve and to 2:34:02.720 --> 2:34:05.840 grow and to make incredible music not only for the 2:34:06.000 --> 2:34:09.000 ear in the in the radio, on the radio in 2:34:09.080 --> 2:34:12.760 the car, but in stadiums and to transform the sonic 2:34:12.920 --> 2:34:17.359 landscape and then to bring that all together and continue 2:34:17.400 --> 2:34:20.760 to evolve and grow, uh, is damn remarkable. But yet 2:34:21.000 --> 2:34:24.440 when you think about what Farrell has done in terms 2:34:24.520 --> 2:34:29.760 of the architecture of sound and his high intelligence and 2:34:29.920 --> 2:34:35.959 his reflection about the aesthetic accouterments that constitute a powerful 2:34:36.080 --> 2:34:40.480 expression of identity through music, you're just they're both genus. 2:34:40.760 --> 2:34:44.800 Thank you. That's why we drunk up, Okay, Pete Primo 2:34:45.000 --> 2:34:52.080 or Pete Rock Frank, Yeah, just so you know, Pete Rocks. 2:34:52.240 --> 2:34:55.200 When I come to to work every day become a 2:34:56.000 --> 2:34:57.959 I have to pass by this mirror as a mirror 2:34:58.120 --> 2:35:00.640 of man, I don't want to ride here. I don't 2:35:00.640 --> 2:35:02.560 want to come here unless we go through there and 2:35:02.640 --> 2:35:03.920 I just look at it. I don't get out and 2:35:04.040 --> 2:35:06.440 take a picture. It's right up the block, but I 2:35:06.520 --> 2:35:08.800 have to see because it's a big mural of Pete 2:35:08.879 --> 2:35:10.960 Rock And I feel like this is my way of 2:35:11.080 --> 2:35:14.080 paying homies coming to hip hop. I mean looking at 2:35:15.200 --> 2:35:18.800 and then pre Pete Rocking in the sale, smooth coming out. Yeah, 2:35:19.680 --> 2:35:23.880 just both of them, just so fertile, so so creative 2:35:23.959 --> 2:35:27.279 at a at a crucial part of hip hop history. Okay, 2:35:27.800 --> 2:35:34.879 bad Boy or death Row? Mm hmmm, who I mean 2:35:35.280 --> 2:35:39.760 death Row was Snoop? I like your Snoop? Imprecious? I 2:35:39.840 --> 2:35:43.440 mean yeah, it's Snoop's the capital. So yes, I'm fresh 2:35:43.480 --> 2:35:45.400 and double O p p O double G y d 2:35:45.520 --> 2:35:48.080 O double G. You see it showing much flex when 2:35:48.120 --> 2:35:50.040 it's time to reckon Mike pimping holes in the clock 2:35:50.040 --> 2:35:52.440 of the grip, Like my name is Dolo Mike, Yeah, 2:35:53.280 --> 2:35:58.640 uh yeah, no doubt. But I mean Biggie, I mean 2:35:58.840 --> 2:36:03.160 little Kim like wow, I mean the death Row with 2:36:03.400 --> 2:36:06.400 pocket as well. Oh, I'm gonna have to give the 2:36:07.040 --> 2:36:11.160 Edge to to to bad Boy. It's funny you said 2:36:11.400 --> 2:36:13.520 how you broke up Biggie. You know that's what changed 2:36:13.560 --> 2:36:16.800 my life. Um. One day, I'm chilling in the Bronx, 2:36:17.000 --> 2:36:18.960 I think it was something the restaurant the mouthside, smoking 2:36:18.959 --> 2:36:20.920 a cigarett. I don't smoke Stay Risks no more, but 2:36:21.080 --> 2:36:24.120 I didn't. I did, and this woman comes up to 2:36:24.200 --> 2:36:25.800 me and she just started talking to me. I'm talking 2:36:25.840 --> 2:36:28.920 to her, that's the tonic conversation. But she said to me, man, 2:36:29.920 --> 2:36:33.640 it's boring. I wish your Biggie record was out. And 2:36:33.800 --> 2:36:36.039 she said it as if like Biggie was like going 2:36:36.120 --> 2:36:38.720 to Great Adventure. And I was just like what. I 2:36:38.879 --> 2:36:41.440 was like, what did you say? And I just started rapping. 2:36:41.480 --> 2:36:43.440 I just started, well, I've been was rapping. It's just 2:36:43.520 --> 2:36:45.640 I just started getting on. That's the reason why I've 2:36:45.640 --> 2:36:48.080 made Super Tug. What What What? What? What? Forrel is 2:36:48.400 --> 2:36:51.720 right to Parrell because I remember me telling him I 2:36:51.920 --> 2:36:55.080 want venting record. Yeah, And I remember, like, I don't 2:36:55.120 --> 2:36:56.840 know if he said what does an event record? Or 2:36:56.879 --> 2:36:59.080 someone in the room said what does an event record? 2:36:59.120 --> 2:37:02.160 And I was like, one more Chance? I want my 2:37:02.400 --> 2:37:05.720 version of One More Chance? And it was because the 2:37:05.800 --> 2:37:08.880 stranger that I didn't know just just just told me 2:37:08.920 --> 2:37:13.240 the most genius thing ever. She said, I it's boring out. 2:37:13.320 --> 2:37:16.480 I wish Biggie had a record. That's like as if 2:37:16.560 --> 2:37:18.640 that was something to do, like like to me, she 2:37:18.760 --> 2:37:20.920 described it like I wish I could go to great adventures. 2:37:20.920 --> 2:37:22.200 And I was just looking at her. I was like, 2:37:22.440 --> 2:37:27.160 she changed my life. Yeah that's me for like three 2:37:27.240 --> 2:37:30.720 minutes and then that was it. But all right, this 2:37:30.800 --> 2:37:33.640 is this is the last question, especially for a quick 2:37:33.640 --> 2:37:36.360 time with slave. Everyone thinks it's a trick question. Me 2:37:36.440 --> 2:37:41.320 and E. F N thinks it's pretty much. Um, loyalty 2:37:41.520 --> 2:37:53.600 or respect. Damn, that's deep. I say loyalty because if 2:37:53.680 --> 2:37:57.840 you have loyalty, respect is built in. You can have 2:37:57.959 --> 2:38:02.720 respect but not be loyal. Mm hmm. That's where. That's where. 2:38:03.520 --> 2:38:06.480 So I just want to thank you, you know you. 2:38:07.320 --> 2:38:10.000 I just want to I want to stay. I don't 2:38:10.000 --> 2:38:12.480 want to I'll thank you. And before before I also 2:38:12.520 --> 2:38:15.480 want to say, you know, to our fans and to 2:38:15.560 --> 2:38:22.360 the people, you know, we have a responsibility uh to deliver. No. Um, 2:38:23.040 --> 2:38:26.800 we're not politicians, but we're not dumb. Right. That's the 2:38:26.879 --> 2:38:30.360 reason why I apologize like, as a journalist, I could 2:38:30.360 --> 2:38:34.760 have left the the interview out. I could have said, 2:38:34.760 --> 2:38:36.960 that's just his views and that's it. But the minute 2:38:37.000 --> 2:38:40.760 that I heard that anybody from George Floyd family was offended, 2:38:41.440 --> 2:38:43.240 I took it down. You know, I mean, excuse me 2:38:43.280 --> 2:38:46.200 when I say, I mean us, the offenders in cases. UM. 2:38:47.080 --> 2:38:48.440 I was just like, you know what, we had, We 2:38:48.520 --> 2:38:55.920 had conversations, we had multiple UM conference calls, and you know, 2:38:56.040 --> 2:38:57.720 like I said, like we said earlier with with with 2:38:57.920 --> 2:39:00.200 with the COVID, like, you know, I got to see this, 2:39:00.760 --> 2:39:05.040 so you know, big up to my brother Kanye, you know. Uh, 2:39:05.480 --> 2:39:07.680 he tried to give me to watch this documentary and 2:39:07.760 --> 2:39:09.360 I was just like, you know what, it doesn't matter. 2:39:09.800 --> 2:39:12.480 I don't care if you show me a documentary. It 2:39:12.680 --> 2:39:18.480 just the eight minutes that I saw. It's so so 2:39:19.040 --> 2:39:21.040 I would like to say for our platform, and we 2:39:21.160 --> 2:39:23.879 did nothing wrong. We didn't say this rhetoric, We didn't 2:39:23.920 --> 2:39:31.160 say but us not being responsible enough to just say, yo, 2:39:31.240 --> 2:39:35.960 you know what if something in there that's going that 2:39:36.160 --> 2:39:38.720 it may hurt people, because I believe in free speech, 2:39:38.879 --> 2:39:40.760 but I don't believe in free speech when it hurts people. 2:39:41.440 --> 2:39:43.240 You know what I'm saying I got I can say 2:39:43.840 --> 2:39:47.000 you know whatever, but if if I'm hurting you, I 2:39:47.080 --> 2:39:49.600 want to tell you I apologize. So so anybody that 2:39:49.800 --> 2:39:54.400 was hurt by what Kanye said on our platform wasn't us. 2:39:56.280 --> 2:39:58.760 You know we we we used to say about this ship. 2:39:58.800 --> 2:40:01.960 That's right, that's right. You know we have we have 2:40:02.120 --> 2:40:03.800 g Z in the camp. We have all these other 2:40:04.000 --> 2:40:05.680 things in the camp. But it was more important for 2:40:05.760 --> 2:40:07.760 me to sit down with you. I remember how you 2:40:07.840 --> 2:40:11.119 sat down with Bill Moore after that, and you are people. 2:40:11.160 --> 2:40:13.480 That's why in the intro I said, my brother, he's 2:40:13.520 --> 2:40:16.720 your brother, and you know, for the for the people 2:40:16.760 --> 2:40:19.880 out there, like you said about cancel culture, because I 2:40:19.920 --> 2:40:23.040 don't want to be cocky. Y'all can't cancel us. I 2:40:23.080 --> 2:40:25.200 don't want to be cocky. But we own our own ship. 2:40:25.920 --> 2:40:28.360 We're doing the responsible ship. This is there's no one 2:40:28.480 --> 2:40:30.760 telling us, yo, don't do this, so don't do that. 2:40:31.120 --> 2:40:34.320 We're doing it. We owned up our own ship. We 2:40:34.480 --> 2:40:36.720 sat there and we said, you know what, let's own up. 2:40:37.120 --> 2:40:38.560 That's beautiful. You know what I'm saying for a lot 2:40:38.560 --> 2:40:41.080 of people who who are sitting there saying, you know what, well, 2:40:41.120 --> 2:40:44.720 why is Nori only apologizing. Uh, and why is not 2:40:45.200 --> 2:40:49.200 an apologizing y'all don't get blaming when Norri talks all 2:40:49.240 --> 2:40:52.840 the fucking take a ball the fucking episode, I represented him, then, 2:40:52.920 --> 2:40:56.200 I'm representing him. Now we are together, we are collectively 2:40:56.800 --> 2:41:00.600 and we are apologetic. We actually said sorry, we can 2:41:00.720 --> 2:41:03.840 we put out reports on the Hollywood Reporter. We all 2:41:03.959 --> 2:41:06.959 make mistakes. But that's why I'm here to learn. They say, 2:41:07.520 --> 2:41:09.800 the mistake is not The mistake is about how you 2:41:09.879 --> 2:41:12.960 react to the mistakes. And that's the reason why we 2:41:13.040 --> 2:41:16.000 did it. And I got so many people that's calling 2:41:16.040 --> 2:41:18.720 me saying you did the right thing. First off, you 2:41:18.760 --> 2:41:20.280 did the right thing by the interview, and that you 2:41:20.360 --> 2:41:23.000 did the right thing about letting them talk. But they're 2:41:23.040 --> 2:41:31.400 doing it privately, right, it's great, But they saw we 2:41:31.520 --> 2:41:33.400 was going through out there. And what I would like 2:41:33.480 --> 2:41:37.039 to say is one, that's who we are. We are people. 2:41:37.440 --> 2:41:39.160 We can't know we made a mistake until we know 2:41:39.240 --> 2:41:42.120 we made a mistake. That's right, That's right. I don't 2:41:42.280 --> 2:41:44.160 I don't get why people think that we're supposed to 2:41:44.160 --> 2:41:47.560 premeditated holy ship, But anyway, how do you know how 2:41:48.000 --> 2:41:50.600 you know it's hot until you actually burn yourself? You 2:41:50.640 --> 2:41:52.680 know your your bombs already told you the stove is hot, 2:41:52.720 --> 2:41:55.160 don't go over there, but your dumbass still put your 2:41:55.240 --> 2:41:57.560 finger in there, and you didn't know it was because 2:41:57.600 --> 2:41:59.760 sometimes even like this and it didn't you didn't actually 2:41:59.800 --> 2:42:01.360 tell hip. So you just got a little hot and 2:42:01.360 --> 2:42:02.760 you didn't even know if it was gonna burn. But 2:42:02.840 --> 2:42:05.040 it wasn't until you put your fucking finger on that 2:42:05.120 --> 2:42:07.760 ship and your your finger bubbled up and you saw 2:42:07.840 --> 2:42:09.640 that white thing that you said, this is a mistake, 2:42:10.520 --> 2:42:12.000 and let let me try to let me try to 2:42:12.040 --> 2:42:13.600 correct this. So this is what we're trying to do. 2:42:14.280 --> 2:42:15.640 And we could have left it up. We could have 2:42:15.720 --> 2:42:17.800 left it up on you know what, this is our 2:42:17.920 --> 2:42:20.959 journalistic point. We didn't do that. We said, we don't 2:42:21.000 --> 2:42:22.840 want to give views off of that. That's something that 2:42:22.959 --> 2:42:26.640 offended a family of a person that I saw. Then 2:42:26.760 --> 2:42:30.560 I and this it could affect my relationship with Kanye. 2:42:30.720 --> 2:42:33.480 But what I did first was I called him. I 2:42:33.560 --> 2:42:35.720 didn't want him to hear from the media that it 2:42:35.879 --> 2:42:38.600 was taken down. I called him like a man, and 2:42:38.720 --> 2:42:41.920 I said, maybe politics ain't my game, you know what 2:42:41.959 --> 2:42:46.920 I'm saying. And and so I appreciate you but we're 2:42:46.959 --> 2:42:48.360 in the fire right now. We got a couple more 2:42:48.440 --> 2:42:50.520 days and we'll be out the fire, but hopefully, but 2:42:50.760 --> 2:42:53.120 right now we're in the fire and you, you know, 2:42:53.400 --> 2:42:57.440 reaching out to me. And I remember a scene the text. 2:42:57.520 --> 2:42:59.720 I said, who who this? And he said, I said, 2:43:00.160 --> 2:43:02.880 I called you immediately wait for you to call back 2:43:02.920 --> 2:43:07.000 and say, hey, man, yo, listen. And it's necessary. It's necessary. 2:43:07.080 --> 2:43:09.960 It's necessary for us not to be chastised, for us 2:43:10.000 --> 2:43:12.400 to be corrected the same way, the same way, the 2:43:12.520 --> 2:43:16.800 same way we want him to be corrected. But ya know, 2:43:16.879 --> 2:43:19.200 we this coach. You know this this coach. You know 2:43:19.400 --> 2:43:22.000 that's why I love brothers like Killer Mike and Todd 2:43:22.000 --> 2:43:24.320 Live Quality and Q Tip and all these people who 2:43:24.440 --> 2:43:26.760 called me. And you know they laughed at first cause 2:43:26.760 --> 2:43:29.400 I was like, man, you should not to stand next 2:43:29.400 --> 2:43:34.600 to him. But you know, for for every everyone who 2:43:34.680 --> 2:43:38.000 called me fat Joe, um, everyone who called me so uh, 2:43:38.879 --> 2:43:40.240 you know, I want to really thank you, you know 2:43:40.280 --> 2:43:43.600 what I'm saying, for standing next to us and schooling 2:43:43.720 --> 2:43:46.520 us and helping us out. Okay, what you're doing is important, 2:43:47.080 --> 2:43:51.280 and you're brave and courageous and you're honest, and you're 2:43:51.320 --> 2:43:54.840 admitting a mistake, which is what we all make and 2:43:55.040 --> 2:43:57.560 all do. You didn't intend it, like you said, You're 2:43:57.600 --> 2:44:00.959 not literally responsible for Kanye. You gave him a platform. 2:44:01.320 --> 2:44:05.120 He said some things that are deeply, profoundly problematic, anti semitic, 2:44:05.400 --> 2:44:09.160 against George Floyd's family, that really are anti black. And 2:44:09.520 --> 2:44:11.440 to have the courage to call him and tell him, 2:44:11.480 --> 2:44:14.640 but also to do this publicly, uh, to grapple with 2:44:14.760 --> 2:44:17.760 it is extremely necessary. So I sleep both. Salute both 2:44:17.800 --> 2:44:21.640 of you. I watch your shows every every segment. I'm 2:44:21.680 --> 2:44:27.680 a huge fan, so thank you for having me. By 2:44:27.760 --> 2:44:32.280 the way, this is a great episode. 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