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Speaker 1: Welcome to Drink Champs, the production of The Black Effect

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Speaker 1: and I heart radio and his drinks motherfucking podcast makes

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Speaker 1: Now we have an author, we have a minister radio host,

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Speaker 1: a professor, an intellect intellect. I love to hear his

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Speaker 1: But besides all that, he's a brother hold it down,

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Speaker 1: can talk. So it's like he's it's like he's spitting

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Speaker 1: and I said, brother, and I need you. He showed

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Speaker 1: up In case you I don't know who we're talking about,

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Speaker 1: talking about the one, the only Michael. We don't get

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Speaker 1: straight to the point. We're gonna food around, I said,

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Speaker 1: drink Champs. You know we're we're not a political show,

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Speaker 1: So this is what we're gonna do. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: things just happen. So well, this is for those who's

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Speaker 1: tuning in. This is our first episode since the Kanye

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Speaker 1: West episode. That might have seen other episodes that dropped,

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Speaker 1: but this is not. This is the very first one

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Speaker 1: recorded episodes since the Kanye West. So what did you

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Speaker 1: think when you first heard also Kanye on this show? Well,

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Speaker 1: first of all, I'm such a huge fan of this show.

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Speaker 1: I watch every right and back when when we read

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Speaker 1: Ditty's Christmas Party years ago, you got my numbers. Look,

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Speaker 1: I want you to come on. So I'm finally I'm

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Speaker 1: glad we're finally able to work it out for the

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Speaker 1: people to know this. Hold on, I'm right. This has

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Speaker 1: been on a show about two, two or three years

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Speaker 1: ago something like that. I came with you. I was

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Speaker 1: so excited you early dream shots because I truly understand

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Speaker 1: that this is the balance that we need. You understand.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, if we cover our story that, um, that

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Speaker 1: That's so. So so let's let's go back to that.

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Speaker 1: So what did you what what was your getting phone calls?

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Speaker 1: Was people calling you saying, man, Kanye West is on

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Speaker 1: your show? Yeah, that's right, and say, man, you know

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Speaker 1: that's the dude you love that cut the con and

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Speaker 1: he got to the So the thing is, look, I've

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Speaker 1: known Kanye for a while. So let me put my

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Speaker 1: I came to know Kanye. So I'm texting j jay

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Speaker 1: Z after I'm trying to flaws, but we're gonna get

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Speaker 1: when he does the Taylor Swift thing. I was in

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Speaker 1: the audience when Kanye did what he did right, and

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Speaker 1: Is that is that arrange? And then after we're when

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Speaker 1: I'm texting Jay going, I'm not feeling that I said,

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Speaker 1: because what Kanye was trying to do in that moment

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Speaker 1: is to say Black artists have always been appropriated, ex appropriated,

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Speaker 1: I'm imagining that night. Uh, little Richard was going like,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, because because give me my Grammy. I bet

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Speaker 1: I saw it in the historical context. Yeah, he was drunk. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: to you, Kanye. So I did the thing. He sent

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Speaker 1: it to many. That's how me and Kanye first met

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Speaker 1: years and years ago. So we've been talking back and forth.

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Speaker 1: let's have a public conversation, you know. So I love

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Speaker 1: Let me be clear, I love him. He's a genius.

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Speaker 1: He's extraordinarily talented. But I think uh dealing with the

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Speaker 1: admit them or not, that's part of it. Another party

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Speaker 1: is that the mental health may exacerbate tendencies that already

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Speaker 1: other stuff that has been hampering you high blood pressure, diabetes,

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Speaker 1: issues and struggles that he's been clear and quite transparent

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Speaker 1: about may have also touched off our analysis of some

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Speaker 1: of his politics and ideology that are problematic. He's a

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Speaker 1: genius and a menace. He's a genius and a nuisance.

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Speaker 1: He's a genius who does extraordinary things. But this ain't

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Speaker 1: his strong suit. Talking about George Floyd is not your

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Speaker 1: strong suit. And I know you've been deeply inspired and

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Speaker 1: influenced by Candice owns Uh, the conservative right wing host

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Speaker 1: who lives in in Nashville like I do. So the

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Speaker 1: thing is who you listening to? Who's your diet? You know,

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Speaker 1: this is not Whole Foods. This is not a grocer

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Speaker 1: that is of reputable stuff. You you're getting it from

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Speaker 1: the consciousness of the people. And it's sounding deeply, profoundly ignorant,

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Speaker 1: you know, saying that, Well, he wasn't calling his mama,

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Speaker 1: fentonel was what caused this death? Bro When they did

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Speaker 1: Martin Luther King Jr's autopsy at thirty nine years old,

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Speaker 1: that was pretty damn good. But they saying for thirty nine,

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Speaker 1: that what killed him? No, it was the bullet from

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Speaker 1: James Earl ray So Mr West brother, the ya Kanye.

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Speaker 1: It was the force apply by a white supremacist cop.

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Speaker 1: Now whether he had intention to hate black people, the

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Speaker 1: he wasn't for tuperative, he wasn't Hayden, he wasn't cussing

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Speaker 1: by the knee of Derek Chovin. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: and the Asian cop who was lookout. That's multiculturalism for you.

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Speaker 1: That's why diversity has to be toward a goal of equality,

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Speaker 1: because you're gonna have diversity towards some messed up goals.

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Speaker 1: Kanye West, to me, has an extraordinary platform. He says,

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Speaker 1: he wants independent thought. How are you being independent in

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Speaker 1: the circumference of MAGA, in the circumference of Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Let me give you another story. I had just written

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Speaker 1: a book, Tears We Cannot Stop, a sermon to White America.

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Speaker 1: And so I was out in l A on book

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Speaker 1: and I says that Kanye say, hey, man, what's going on?

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Speaker 1: Oh man, what's happening? Blah blah blah. Right, it was

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Speaker 1: that my book? It was that. It was It was

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Speaker 1: I'd like to talk to you about what's going on.

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Speaker 1: So for the next half hour we're chopping up. I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: why is it that you a rhetorical genius, a verbal master,

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Speaker 1: what do you think God should do? I said, I

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Speaker 1: who are you independent from? White supremacy is a dominant

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Speaker 1: should not say black lives matter. You're wearing a white

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Speaker 1: But the bottom line is we know white lives matter.

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Speaker 1: That's why we say Black lives matter. You ain't got

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Speaker 1: remember I'm daddy. They already know you daddy. If you

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Speaker 1: So when we say black lives matter, we're saying that

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Speaker 1: black lives have been disrespected, have been degraded, have been

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Speaker 1: class citizens. White folk already got the advantage. So you're

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Speaker 1: wearing a White Lives Matter T shirt. May be cute

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Speaker 1: to you, but it's destructive, it's harmful, and it hurts

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Speaker 1: have by going to Paris, appearing there radiating a toxic

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Speaker 1: past the oscars saying right now, I know Will too,

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Speaker 1: He's a beautiful, beautiful man, and I know you and

424
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Speaker 1: jaded stuff, but yeah, I mean take that attention off

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Speaker 1: on man. Or you know, when Dreymond Green just punched

426
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Speaker 1: you know, Jordan Pool, now, it didn't have the significance

427
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: and the impact of this. And arguably obviously Will Smith's

428
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Speaker 1: slap of Chris Rock And both of them are dear

429
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Speaker 1: friends of mine and I love them. I'm in the

430
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Speaker 1: same dilemma as you. I love both of these men,

431
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: geniuses at what they do, extraordinary human beings. One of

432
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 1: them made a horrible mistake in publicly humiliating another black man,

433
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Speaker 1: and that black man is left to deal with the

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Speaker 1: consequences of that, even though he says he's fine. The depression,

435
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Speaker 1: the trauma, the internal sense of question self questioning should

436
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 1: I have done this? And if I had done something differently,

437
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Speaker 1: could I have been could it have led to a

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Speaker 1: different consequence? But what Kanye has done is to amp

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Speaker 1: the five the worst instincts of white folk against black

440
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Speaker 1: folk and he's done done it as a as a

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Speaker 1: sheep in one sense, as a wolf in sheep's clothing,

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00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: because if you come as a friend defending us in

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Speaker 1: your music, defending us in your culture and politics. Although

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Speaker 1: a lot of black people would say it's been a

445
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 1: long time since he's been defending us, he's been offending

446
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: us a lot longer. But the point is that Kanye

447
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,199
Speaker 1: West has had moments where he has stood up high

448
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: and powerful in the culture. George Bush making music, I

449
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: mean when he's talking about blackness, going up on that

450
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 1: stage with Taylor Swift saying, Beyonce deserved that. All my

451
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Speaker 1: single ladies, all my single ladies. Oh even the Pope

452
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Speaker 1: was singing that, if you really want me to be

453
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Speaker 1: pumped up, put put a ring on it. So the

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Speaker 1: point is that was deeply and profoundly consequential and influential.

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Speaker 1: But another compatriot of his, I won't name his name,

456
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Speaker 1: a famous musician, said, but when I was hanging with Kanye,

457
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Speaker 1: we never talked politics like you were saying we talked

458
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Speaker 1: about So Kanye was never really explicit political, even though

459
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: his statements had political consequence, it wasn't his intent. It's

460
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: just what happened. It is. My past used to tell

461
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 1: me a mosquito don't more meaning no harm. It just

462
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 1: wants some blood, but it can't give you malaria. So

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Speaker 1: Kanye may have meant this to be exciting. He may

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Speaker 1: have meant this to be controversial, although I suspect this

465
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Speaker 1: deeper than that. But the consequence to us is that

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Speaker 1: we've got a kind of psychological malaria. We've got racial

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Speaker 1: harm and trauma being delivered to us. And Kanye must

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Speaker 1: be made aware of that. Eiven, He's going to accept

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Speaker 1: that responsibility and go, let me do something different. But

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Speaker 1: I suspect the crowd he's hanging out with now is

471
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Speaker 1: telling him your brave, You're courageous, You're doing a good thing.

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Speaker 1: He's hanging out with Donald Trump. Donald Trump, this orange apparition,

473
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Speaker 1: this guy, this guy who, when when Twitter was existing

474
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Speaker 1: and he was on it, got up every morning to

475
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: excrete the feces of his moral depravity into a nation.

476
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: He turned into his psychic commode. He was doing horrible, devastating,

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00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: nasty stuff to us, and for Kanye to amplify that,

478
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: for Kanye to amen that, come on, bro, you are

479
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: now contagious. You got the COVID of racial self hatred

480
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: or at least hatred of black folks, and you got

481
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Speaker 1: the quarantine for a minute, to get that ship straight.

482
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Speaker 1: It is it? Could it be an extreme version of

483
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Speaker 1: trying to reach greatness or on your way to greatness.

484
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Speaker 1: You're going to have those failures in those potholes, sure,

485
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 1: because you we see the genius in him. We see

486
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Speaker 1: when he does really great things, but he's still trying

487
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Speaker 1: to rise to this greatness that he hasn't achieved it

488
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Speaker 1: in his mind. Is it full of those failures and

489
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Speaker 1: potles that we're seeing. Of course. I mean, look, Kanye

490
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 1: is a genius, rising even higher doing incredible things. But

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Speaker 1: part of that genius has to be the ability to

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Speaker 1: acknowledge a moral mishap, an ethical failure. I did something

493
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Speaker 1: and it's wrong. You can't be just to not Nope,

494
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Speaker 1: I don't care. I did it. I said it. That's cool.

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Speaker 1: Let me keep moving on. We can't move on because

496
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Speaker 1: you've left us with the consequences, right you the baby

497
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,959
Speaker 1: you don't craft in the diaper? You want to move on.

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00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: We got to change that day. We got to deal

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Speaker 1: with the consequences of it. So Kanye undeniably is rising

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Speaker 1: to higher heights in terms of his fashion presence and

501
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: being a bellion there. I know he keeps saying he's

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Speaker 1: the richest black man in America. That would be Robert Smith, right,

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00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: Robert Smith worth nearly seven billion dollars, Robert Smith who

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Speaker 1: stood at more House College and said, let me forgive

505
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: forty million dollars your loans. That's what a negro with

506
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Speaker 1: money does. That's what a black man with bank does.

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Speaker 1: That's what a black billionaire does. And I know there

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00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: are a lot of people out here speaking about racial

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Speaker 1: capitalism and trying to talk about the subversion of American

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Speaker 1: economy for black people predicated upon being a billion there.

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00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: I get that. That's a different argument for a different day.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, Kanye West is trying to do the

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Speaker 1: best he can, but the best he can is hurting

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00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: and harming us. And you're hanging out with people, you know,

515
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: he's hanging out what Canda's owns, and God bless her.

516
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: Candas Owns is a highly intelligent young lady doing her things.

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00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: I deeply and profoundly disagree with her. If you want

518
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: to hang out with some brilliant, beautiful black women, UH

519
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: call up Treva Lindsay at Ohio State University, a brilliant

520
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: woman wrote a book called America God Damn, a tremendous feminist.

521
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: If you want to hang out with some young, brilliant,

522
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: beautiful Black women, call Brittany Cooper, who wrote a book

523
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: called Eloquent Rage about feminism in America and the way

524
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,239
Speaker 1: in which black feminism has to be assaulted has been

525
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: assaulted both from within the culture and beyond. If you

526
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: want to hang out with brilliant black women, talk to

527
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Speaker 1: Salomisha Tillott, who just want to pull a surprise and

528
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: writes for The New York Times and wrote a book

529
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: on the making of the color purple. If you want

530
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: to hang out with brilliant black women, talked to Stephanie

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Speaker 1: Jones Rogers, who won National Book Award and wrote a

532
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Speaker 1: book they were hurt property about white women owning Black

533
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: women that you see l a. If you want to

534
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: hang out with brilliant black women, there's so many others

535
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: who are available to talk to you, and they love

536
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: hip hop and they're dope and they got mad swag.

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00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: Do that. Bro, just learned some different black women that

538
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: would be helpful to again with because I guess that's

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00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: I guess that's what he was trying to do and say,

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00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: I believe Snoop critiqued him at one time and Snoop

541
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: said that he didn't have black woman around him, and

542
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: then and then and every down. Now people are teaking

543
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: him because not only did he get a black woman,

544
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: but he got somebody that believes in the total different.

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00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: That's a great point, but she ain't his woman. That's

546
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: different when when the woman at your crib like Negro,

547
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: I know you a big time professor and everything, but

548
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: you need to slow that down. Make you're killing him

549
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: all right? You need that pillow talk right. The pillow

550
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: may be white, but the black woman is radiating some

551
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: intense blackness and that makes the difference. I'm not trying

552
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: to judge what he does because Kanye predicted it. He said,

553
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: you the first thing you're gonna do when you get

554
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: famous gonna get a white girl. Right. He said that

555
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: in his own music, And I'm for look love who

556
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: you will if you and this microphone can get together,

557
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: y'all get down. Hey, I love you, I love you?

558
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: Why do you love me? You amplify? So if y'all

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00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: can have little baby, little microphone. So I'm I'm for

560
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: that for sure. But the problem is is that, yes,

561
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: having a black woman in your life and intelligent, informed, incisive,

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00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: you know, incredibly caring black woman makes a difference in

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00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: this country and in this world. But if you, as

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00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: you said, if you talk to ones who don't necessarily

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Speaker 1: curry the same kind of favor or carry the same

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Speaker 1: kind of burden that their hearts wren because of what

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Speaker 1: black people confront, then yeah, you're in trouble. Your has

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Speaker 1: help today by visiting shatterproof dot org. I'anged with the

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Speaker 1: subjects a little bit and we'll get back to it. Um,

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Speaker 1: the woman that's locked up in Russia, do you think

582
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: that would be different if if she was any other race?

583
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: Don't the basketball who just had her birthday? What yesterday? Right?

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00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: There is no question that if she wasn't a woman

585
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: who challenged the sexual norms. She's married to a woman's

586
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: but she's a dominant ball player. She is a phenomenal

587
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: cultural icon. There is no question. Even Lebron had admitted

588
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: that was him over there. Why want you to remember

589
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: your thoughts? But I admitted that I smoked weed and Russia.

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00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: U was with me one time? You do? Right? Come

591
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: out on submitted like this was this is like a

592
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Speaker 1: normal thing for rappers to go to Russia and getting

593
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: we like, so this is kind of crazy for for me.

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00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: But no, no, you absolutely right. Well know it's arbitrary,

595
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: but see that's the point. You're dealing with a strong man.

596
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: You're dealing with a dictator, you're dealing with a fascist.

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00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: You're dealing with a person who saw her um being

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Speaker 1: arrested as a moment that he could leverage her body

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00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,959
Speaker 1: in Russia for his advantage in fighting America. Now, if

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00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: it been Donald Trump. Look how Donald Trump was vicious

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Speaker 1: by saying, you know, she shouldn't have been doing what

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Speaker 1: she was doing. He didn't support her, he didn't stay

603
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: with Oh my god, he doubled down on Russia's incarceration

604
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: of her and harmed her. This is another reason just

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00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: by tangential relationship. And that's what I'm saying, Kane, Look

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00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: who you're supporting. Look at this kind of dude, right

607
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: who is anti black at his heart. They held him

608
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: and his daddy responsible for doing stuff with real estate

609
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: back in the seventies and eighties, took out a full

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00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: page page ad against the so called um you know,

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00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: Central Park five and they're tolerated five now. But the

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00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: point is that's who you're supporting. But yes, this black woman,

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Speaker 1: had she been anybody else, even a straight black woman,

614
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: would have received more support than a queer black woman

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00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: with a black wife, both of them beautiful, intelligent women,

616
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: but who are being used as a pawn and a

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00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: patsy by a Russian government to get back at America.

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Speaker 1: And he's a dictatorial fascist person appealing to a dictatorial

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Speaker 1: fascist impulse within the country. That is Donald Trump and

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Speaker 1: those who follow him for the most part. And this

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00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: is why again Kanye West's support of him is so undignified.

622
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: It's so harmful to black people and so destructive to

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00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: the fundamental process of American democracy. But let me be

624
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: Devil's advocate. Why are we not hearing Commona Commanda as

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00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: a black woman doing more for her, Like you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like this is kind of like the

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Speaker 1: time because I'm gonna be honest, uh and i know

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Speaker 1: what I'm about to say. It's not gonna be popular.

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Speaker 1: But in the in the cities, people is kind of

630
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: like they're done with the Joe Biden's like that's done

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Speaker 1: with the with the Kmmona. It doesn't feel like there

632
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: was any change, like you know, after a while, the

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00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: first four years of Obama, we were the hood was happy,

634
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Speaker 1: we were like and then the last four years the

635
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 1: hood kind of comes like yo Obama where it's all black,

636
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 1: where it's all black, you know, piece of something for

637
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: something like it felt like Obama didn't do like like

638
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: a black agenda that that was just for you know,

639
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 1: black people to help us. Then now with k Commona

640
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: coming in, were saying that and then we say, at

641
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: least can we go get the girl from Russia. Right, Well,

642
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: let me let me address that directly, because I know

643
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: all the people you're talking about, I know Obama, no,

644
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris, the president, I mean, and I know you know.

645
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: Let me say because I'm about to say some critical

646
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 1: stuff now. The thing is is that Kamala Harris, however,

647
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 1: as a sitting vice president, doesn't want to do something

648
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 1: by a public intervention that will count negatively against Brittney Griner.

649
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: So in other words, if they behind the scenes trying

650
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: to work it out, you gotta ask yourself a question.

651
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: Do you want the commercial or do you want the product? Right?

652
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: Because you can get the commercial, Yes, come here and

653
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 1: your teeth will be cleaning tomorrow, right or do you

654
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: just not announced that and just have Quentin teeth war

655
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: going on? It's the war going on. They're using her

656
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: body as a war zone, and they are criminalizing her blackness,

657
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: her queerness, and her Americans at the same time. So

658
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: to Kamla to Comma, in commla's defense, vice President Kamala Harris,

659
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,720
Speaker 1: she can't say much right now because then the people

660
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Speaker 1: over and rested get man, oh really up to the

661
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: black woman saying crazy things? Now? We're gonna punish the

662
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: black woman so that I give her a pass on. However,

663
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 1: because the woman already got nine years, he's sentenced well

664
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Speaker 1: ten years. At least she got ten years, but that

665
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: she got ten years. And what they trying to do

666
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 1: now is to negotiate a prisoner exchange so that they

667
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: can release some real thug in America, some real criminal

668
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: who did some horrible things in exchange for her. So

669
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 1: they're trying to leverage her, and they're upping the anti

670
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 1: The worst the war gets over there, the more critical

671
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: America is of Russia in regard to keep and in

672
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 1: regard to what's going on in the Ukraine, then her

673
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: body becomes even more of a precious bounty to be

674
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Speaker 1: used by Russia. But let me say this though, the

675
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: same folk who mad now and I get it because

676
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: I'd be telling black people to vote all the time. Well,

677
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 1: it ain't working out, dude. A lot of stuff don't

678
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: work out. A lot of stuff don't work out. You

679
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 1: have to keep trying. I know you a first time person.

680
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: The person I voted for didn't win, dude. That's the

681
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: nature of the game, right. I made an album, it

682
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 1: didn't sell five million Okay, making another one. All right,

683
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: chiep working, go on the internet, up your profile. Where

684
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Speaker 1: are white? Okay? So the point is right. So the

685
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: point is that that the ain't black folk mad at

686
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: Biden now, wasn't mad at Obama when Obama wasn't doing

687
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: dead least for black people in this country. Now, I'm

688
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: a person who was twice a surrogate for Barack Obama.

689
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: That means I went out, I spoke for him. I

690
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: told people to vote for him. I have no regrets

691
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: about that. But the moment after each time he was elected,

692
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: I was his critic. I was his critic because before

693
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: you were president and after you president, I'm still on

694
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: Michael Eric Dison, I'm still committed to black people. No

695
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: one black journey is greater than the Black journey. Your

696
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: individual life as a black person cannot outweigh outweigh the

697
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: fortunes of black people. So I knew that Barack Obama,

698
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Speaker 1: as important as he was, was not more important than

699
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: the struggle of black people to become whole in this nation.

700
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Speaker 1: And so yeah, here's the guy. They were putting them

701
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,439
Speaker 1: up on the posters with Martin Luther King Junior, Slow slow, slow,

702
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: slow down with that slow down. As as Albert com

703
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: You says, you got to go on the ground and

704
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: rise up the third day before you get that kind

705
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: of love. Bro, that's on some genius level, Jesus level. Love.

706
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: It ain't really where you is now. There's a difference

707
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: between Martin Luther King Jr. And Barack Obama. One of

708
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: the civil rights leader standing outside the parameters of politics,

709
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: challenging it from from without with his moral vision and

710
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: his ethical courage. Another one is sent to be the

711
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: black face of the white American empire. So the point

712
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: is his job from the guinea that we knew was

713
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: to represent America with all the good that that means

714
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Speaker 1: and with all the self destructive nastiness that that brings us. Well,

715
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Speaker 1: this man was in charge of the American empire, one

716
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Speaker 1: of Nobel Peace Prize, while having two wars going on

717
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: right like a motherfucker like you hustle. I'm a hustler

718
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: when the rembers of the system ain't no telling what

719
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Speaker 1: I drown him or I kill him, That's what they'd

720
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Speaker 1: be asking. I'm a pimp blah blood. So that's a

721
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Speaker 1: president uh imbut with moral principles. But anyway, but the

722
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Speaker 1: point is. Barack Obama was a man who was given

723
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Speaker 1: the responsibility and the reins of the American Empire at

724
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Speaker 1: a very moment when it's fortunes were declining. That's when

725
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: they always get negroes, the car keys. When the car

726
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: ain't working, take it over to you know, Jiffy fix

727
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: up and try to get the damn thing fixed, because

728
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: oh it is a rose Roys, but it ain't got

729
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: no engine that's working. Okay, So that's what they do

730
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Speaker 1: to us. But Barack Obama was a genius. He figured

731
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Speaker 1: out the American economy. He got people working again, He

732
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: saved the automobile industry. He did amazing things, but for

733
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: black folk, not so much. You know. I compare him

734
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Speaker 1: to another different Shaquille O'Neil, whom I know y'all love

735
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: and admire. Shaquille was one of the greatest ball players ever.

736
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Speaker 1: Kobe said, had he had a certain kind of work ethic,

737
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Speaker 1: he would have been the greatest of all time. So

738
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Speaker 1: we know he was the most dominant big man of

739
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: all time. But he wasn't a great foul shooter necessarily,

740
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Speaker 1: So you can acclaim Shack as one of the greatest

741
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Speaker 1: of all time. But don't put him on the category

742
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: of greatest free throw shooters ever. Barack Obama might be

743
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: top ten president for everybody else, but for us, not

744
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: so much. He wasn't a top ten president for black

745
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: folk because he would scold us. He would dog us

746
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: in public. He would tell us stop feeding your kids chicken,

747
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: and don't do this. Now. He's scolding us, but he

748
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 1: ain't scolding white folks. The one time he tried and

749
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: a tony fundraiser in San Francisco while he was running

750
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 1: for president, he said, yeah, man, they get down I'm

751
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: paraphrasing here, they get that juice on him when they

752
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,280
Speaker 1: get upset, and they get religion and neigg grab some guns.

753
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: These white folks wore him out and never again did

754
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Speaker 1: he ever attempt to be critical of white folks. But

755
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 1: Negroes taken Negroes take abuse as a sign of love.

756
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: Negroes take imposed trauma as a sign of respect. And

757
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: so they felt that when Barack was doing at least

758
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: he paying attention to me. Yeah, he beat me. It's

759
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: like colored purple. He beat me because see, we like

760
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: we like to We like the Oprah character. I ain

761
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,439
Speaker 1: Man's mess ceiling. I never thought in my own home.

762
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: You're telling hard for to beat me. And so we

763
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 1: have to say to black people, don't be like Donald

764
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: Trump supporters. That's how we were with Barack. Now, I

765
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: ain't saying Barack and Donald Trump are the same thing.

766
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: Barack Obama is a genius, an incredible political figure, and

767
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: a great mind. But he also was deeply and profoundly

768
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: problematic for black people. Two things can be true at

769
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: the same time, and so we got to hold him

770
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Speaker 1: to a like what Kanye. Except you know, although now

771
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Speaker 1: that you mentioned that, I hold Barack Obama at least

772
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: a little responsble for Kanye. How do you say, because

773
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: when when when Kanye did his thing with Taylor Swift,

774
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: remember they called Barack Obama, he called him a jackass. Well,

775
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: he had more courage than you, Barack. Maybe if you

776
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: called out white supremacy from the bully pulpit of the

777
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: most powerful platform in America and indeed in the world,

778
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: the Kanye West of the world wouldn't have to call

779
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: that kind of thing out. So calling him a jackass

780
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: while you're sitting around being silent and complicit in the

781
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: face of horrible transactions of anti blackness in America, wasn't

782
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: a good luck either. But black people, we would Barack regardless,

783
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: remember on Saturday Night Live. No matter what he did,

784
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: we love him. And I understand that he was the

785
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: first one white people that had forty four presidents. We

786
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: had one. That's our baby daddy. We rolled in with him,

787
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: and we love our apartment. Cutting you off. People said

788
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: that he was the first black president. So he said,

789
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 1: the Republicans always outvoted him, and so it was a

790
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: little much that he can do. But then the very

791
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: next president, even when he got outvoted by the Democrats,

792
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: he did what the funk he wanted to do. Like,

793
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: don't one before and after George. I'm gonna do what

794
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do the one after him. But you don't

795
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: one in between the sandwich. You you know it reverse Oreo.

796
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: You're the reverse Oreo cookie. You got two whites in

797
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: the black on the middle, you know, and you ain't

798
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: got no ice cream to put it in and no

799
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 1: milk to dip it in. The point is this that

800
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: when you're the president, bro, you know. Now, he did

801
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: do some stuff in terms of executive decisions and executive

802
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: orders and the like. There's no doubt about that. And yes,

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00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: Barack Obama was in a precarious position back against the wall,

804
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: deeply and profoundly uh fighting the forces of white supremacy.

805
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: And he did an ingenious job in many ways. But

806
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 1: here's my point. If you can't do something special folk negroes,

807
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: don't do nothing special against them. Though, this is the problem.

808
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: It's one thing for you to say I can't I

809
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 1: can't acknowledge what I'm doing in a certain way. Look,

810
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: I've been in the White House at a table that

811
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: was about twice this size with Barack Obama and nine

812
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: other so called negro leaders, and I shared with him

813
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: my vision that was problematic. Now, I had a radio

814
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: host say, Michael, you're writing a book on the presidents

815
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: about two thousand and eleven and twelve. You're writing a

816
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: book on the president. You're a very You're a famous

817
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 1: black person with influence. You could really harm his chances

818
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 1: for re election. Now he's said, right, I like, dude,

819
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: I said, are you Nostra Thomas wrote the damn book here? So?

820
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 1: And since I got kids, tell me how many books

821
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: I myself? So I don't know how much money I

822
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: can right, And Obama laughed him. He said, yeah, and

823
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: he's sitting here eating my eating my food. Well, you

824
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: might be the president, but you ain't as mean with

825
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: this Mike is me homes So, without missing a beat,

826
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,439
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, I paid for about my tax money.

827
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: And I said, based on what I'm paid, I'm gonna

828
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: be here next week. Give me the menute. That's what

829
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: I do, right. But but he said, look, I respect

830
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,760
Speaker 1: Michael because I said I disagree with you, Mr President.

831
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: And I said to his face, I wasn't trying to

832
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: backstab him to be nasty. I said, you believe a

833
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: rising tide lifts all boats. He said, I wouldn't quite

834
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 1: put it that way, but I understand your point. I said,

835
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: when you go when you're sick and you go to

836
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: the hospital, you don't get medicine. That's universal. That's something

837
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: that's non that's non specific. I said, if you got

838
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: a hangnail, you get asked him, if you've got diabetes,

839
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,240
Speaker 1: you get into it, if you've got if you've got cancer,

840
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: you get hemotherapy. I said, medicines, like public policies, should

841
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: be aimed at the ills they're meant to relieve. So

842
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: you know, one size fits all. You got to we

843
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: still black and citizens, if you're taking care of everybody

844
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: else but afraid that if you hook us up. It

845
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: looked like you're giving us a hook up in the

846
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: White House right there? What is the advantage of us

847
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: supporting you? And I said in the book, I wrote

848
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: a three hundred semi page book, so I write books

849
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: like Nigga's right hooks Right. So I put that down

850
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: in the book. And I laid that down right in

851
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: book number I don't know twenty six. I mean I

852
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: lost count, but I'm still doing what I do. So

853
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 1: the thing is is that I put it there careful analysis. Again,

854
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 1: like what Kanye, I love Barack Obama. I respect Barack

855
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: Obama right, but as in the guard Father, but I

856
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: never trusting Okay, never trust right. So the point is

857
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: I love Obama, I respect him, I supported him. I

858
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: went out and asked people to vote for him. But

859
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: we've also got a whole black leaders to account. We

860
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: got to hold the Michael Eric Dyson's to account. We

861
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: gotta hold every black public figure to account, not cancel him,

862
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: not be nasty, not destroy them. And where I do

863
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 1: agree with Kanye uh is in this cancel culture which

864
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: is so destructive, Like you don't make no mistakes, like

865
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,479
Speaker 1: if somebody messes up and does something a white person.

866
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: And Obama said this the other day, let me give

867
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: him some kudos. He said, people don't want to think

868
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: they're walking on eggshells. If they say one wrong thing,

869
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 1: then they're done. You know that's this younger generation, y'all.

870
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: I mean that ain't what I'm a Baptist preacher. Jesus

871
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: have done. That the world would be dead right now. Right.

872
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: People got to be forgiven for the mistakes they've made. Now,

873
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:39,919
Speaker 1: they got to know they made a mistake. Kanye gotta

874
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: ADMITTI made it. And if he don't admit it, then

875
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: we got to keep hammering him, hollering at him and

876
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,439
Speaker 1: trying to talk to him to get him to see

877
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: a different way. So, for me, Barack Obama was an

878
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: extraordinary president. But all the black people who blindly followed him,

879
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: who didn't criticize him, not want to criticize Joe Biden.

880
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: You wouldn't criticize your own You had a black man

881
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: in there, who could I do the fact with you?

882
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: What did Joe Biden do? He put a black woman

883
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: on the ticket and gave her the vice presidency or

884
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: allowed her to be elected, and he put a black

885
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: woman on the Supreme Court. Barack Obama had three bites

886
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 1: at the apple. He couldn't put one sister on the court.

887
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: And you man at the old white man. That old

888
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: white man has done more for neg roles in total,

889
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: in terms of what he's trying to do, not perfectly,

890
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 1: not without flaws, than a whole lot of black politicals

891
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,919
Speaker 1: who have not taken up the mantle of a black

892
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: agenda or the interests of black people. So that's why

893
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: we can be about no cancel culture and trying to

894
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: get rid of people who we feel have done a

895
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: wrong thing. I I don't want to be canceled. I'm

896
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: a black man who's made mistakes. I try to be

897
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 1: a feminist in identification with black women and white women

898
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: and women of coloring throughout the world. But I mess up.

899
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: Hold me to account, tell me where I did wrong,

900
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: but allow me to step back into the arena and

901
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: participate again. That's what we gotta do when it comes

902
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,280
Speaker 1: to race and class and gender and culture in this country.

903
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: So I don't I don't have the numbers, and I

904
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: don't know if this is I'm going to fulfilling right

905
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: when Barack was back was in office, it felt like

906
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 1: a lot more police killing of innocent black men happen,

907
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 1: And it felt like a lot more a police killing

908
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 1: innocent black men getting freed happened, getting getting of course,

909
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: is that is that true? Well? Yeah, I feel that

910
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: I share the same feeling. I wrote a book called

911
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: Long Time Coming where I addressed the martyrs of this

912
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: this movement, fallen martyrs, not intentional martyrs, martyrs because of

913
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: their circumstance look or on the under Barack Obama. And

914
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,919
Speaker 1: here's the point. Let's let's put it this way. Given

915
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: the rising tide of white supremacy, because you know, Barack

916
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: Obama sent the meter of white supremacy off off the

917
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 1: chart right here. It just went with Anita, went off

918
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: the recording mechanism itself. It just went haywire. Because they

919
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: needed him. That's why Black people still defending him. And

920
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: I understand why because no matter what he did that

921
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: was failed and flawed, the white supremacists out here are

922
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: trying to kill him every day. The death threats against

923
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: him were more than any other president, the harm and

924
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: hate that he received, and he was so cool with it, right,

925
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: I mean, the thing we love about him. He's like

926
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: jay Z president. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. But

927
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: we saw the effect when he came out office, how

928
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: he looked, no doubt, I mean, there's no doubt. But

929
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: you know, he was cool, he was calm, he's collected,

930
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: he's doing this thing. But beneath there was a fire raging,

931
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: and it was it was burning us. So they wanted

932
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 1: to get Barack. Couldn't get him. Who can you get

933
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: vulnerable black people? So he was Barack Obama was in

934
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: one sense our iconic representative and we were his uh proxies.

935
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: Can't shoot him, shoot us, can't kill him, kill us.

936
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting there was some broad conspiracy that was

937
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 1: conscious on the parts of white people. But that's the

938
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: genius of white supremacy. It's an institution that operates on

939
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 1: its own. But is the data show that there was

940
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: more of it or was it always there and just

941
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: social media and the access to film these things and

942
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: bring it out more to las. I mean, that's that's

943
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: partly true that it was. It was focused on in

944
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: a way because you got a black man in the

945
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: White House. You never had that before, you got a

946
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: black man having to respond to black people dying and

947
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: what will he say in Obama was tentative on some

948
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: of that stuff. Right after Trayvon Martin. You know that's

949
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: not a police killing, but it is a vigilante killing.

950
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: After Trayvon Martin's death, after the jury, uh, you know,

951
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: did what it did and let George Zimmerman off, Barack

952
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: Obama says, the people have spoken. The jury is to

953
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: be trusted. And that's what women, women bro with slow down.

954
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: So he got to go to the crib. His kids

955
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: are there, his wife's there. Then he comes up and

956
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: makes one of the greatest statements about race. Because you

957
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: gotta push PSI. Presidents ain't gonna never do what you

958
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,919
Speaker 1: don't make them do. Right. That famous story that Harry

959
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: Belafonte likes to tell and others of f Dr. Fred

960
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the president having his black kitchen and

961
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: cabinet with Mary McLeod Bethune and A Philip Brandolph. They

962
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 1: were great leaders. Uh. She was the National Council of

963
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: Negro Woman. He was the Brotherhood of Sleeping car Porters, tremendous.

964
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: They were part of his informal cabinet meeting women the

965
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: White House and and he and he listened to what

966
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 1: they said, and he said, look, I believe everything he's saying.

967
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 1: I go out in the streets and make me do it.

968
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 1: In other words, create a social movement where I go,

969
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: what was I gonna do? I mean, look at what

970
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 1: the tidest turns. So presidents rarely do unless you make

971
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: them do so. Yeah, Barack Obama exposed what was underlying there,

972
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: and the technology caught up with the truth. The empirical.

973
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: Empirical is just a big word to say that which

974
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: can be falsified, to verify through the census, the cameras

975
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: picked up. They no, no, no, that can't be true.

976
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,479
Speaker 1: There's just no way. Imagine if there was no camera

977
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: for George Floyd, Dad another dad, nigga, We don't care.

978
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 1: He was belligerent and he was nasty. The reason white

979
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 1: people poured into the streets. I think that the numbers

980
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: they did, they saw that video. First of all, it

981
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 1: was COVID. That meant we were all at home used

982
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 1: to watching stuff on our screen. Right five weeks before

983
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: old men like me telling people get off that damn fault.

984
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 1: Don't you talk to me face to face now with COVID, Hey,

985
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: thank god, you didn't listen to me, and we're talking

986
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: right now. So the thing is is that we were

987
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,879
Speaker 1: used to seeing things on screen and they were more

988
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: alive and more colorful for us. Number one, number two,

989
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: there were no more. But white people said, women, Hey,

990
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: have we seen this film before? Didn't this happen like

991
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,959
Speaker 1: six years ago. We're a guy named Eric Garner out

992
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: in uh, you know, New York, and he said, I

993
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: can't breathe. Jiminy cricket. They were right. They keep saying

994
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: us that what we don't believe that it still exists.

995
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,760
Speaker 1: And then thirdly, what they saw, there was no more excuse.

996
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: He was running, he was trying to resist the rest,

997
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: No he won, he was CUsing up, No he wan

998
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: he was. He was being hateful and growing for a gun.

999
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: No he wasn't. And they saw no more excuses, and

1000
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: they fled the streets. So yes, I think the cameras

1001
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: exposed it. I think the fact that a black president

1002
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: was there magnetized the biggots in this country. And Howard Thurman,

1003
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 1: the great mystic, said, the biggot is the person who

1004
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,240
Speaker 1: makes an idol of his commitments. So they were committed

1005
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: to their vicious understanding of whiteness is dominant, and black

1006
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,919
Speaker 1: people were messing it up and Obama was seen as

1007
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: a person taking their rights. Can you imagine white people

1008
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: who were upset with Obama and Obama was hooking y'all

1009
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: up in the way he ain't never hooked us up.

1010
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: He was giving y'all the keys to the kingdom, and

1011
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: you still hated him because the person handing you the

1012
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: keys was a black man. So in that sense, yes,

1013
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: it exposed what was already there. So it may have

1014
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: seemed to be more dense than happening more. But the

1015
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: reality is black life being lost is a constant in America.

1016
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: The hatred of black people, anti blackness is a constant.

1017
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: Which is why again not to keep harping on Kanye,

1018
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 1: why what you're doing is more than a ploy, it's destructive.

1019
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: How do you get produced by a people who, out

1020
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: of their loins delivered you into the world like Moses,

1021
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: protecting you so that you could one day rise up

1022
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: to lead your people through sonic you know, expression and

1023
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: asthetic expression and fashion and music for you to turn

1024
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: around and be Faro when you're supposed to be Moses.

1025
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 1: And what you do when you say white lives matter

1026
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: is that you turn into the very destructive enemy of

1027
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: the very interests that produced you. Now when you tell us, oh,

1028
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: I mean for black excellent stuff, that's a sideshow. The

1029
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: main theme is your destructive addiction to white supremacy and

1030
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: to anti blackness in your own mind. Let me let

1031
00:54:55,280 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 1: me ask you something. As a president, right, you're seeing

1032
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: these people are as multiple shootings of unarmed and innocent

1033
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: killings of black men, black people, period, because this woman

1034
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: in there, anyone not just say men. Isn't it How

1035
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: hard is it to just change the law that if

1036
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: you get caught killing somebody that's out of goddamn pisso

1037
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 1: that you automatically going going to jail, because then then

1038
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure, I mean, I'm seeing people getting convicted now,

1039
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: seeing people. Uh. But he can't do that though, he

1040
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to change the No, he can't do

1041
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 1: that because most of all dictator now he's Donald Trump,

1042
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: he would think he could. But Barack Obama was a

1043
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 1: constitutional lawyer. He was a scholar of the constitution. He

1044
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: knew that way we can't go. So he can't know.

1045
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: He can't. He's a state laws, federal laws and law

1046
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,720
Speaker 1: federal law and the people that you want to change

1047
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: it are invested in the very white supremacy that you

1048
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about. Look at the police department,

1049
00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 1: how was exposed. All these white bigots are in law enforcement.

1050
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 1: Some of them are in state legislatures, Republican state legislators

1051
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: maybe thirty eight to forty. Some of them are Republican controlled,

1052
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: which means that the local law will always mitigate against,

1053
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: militate against, go against trying to create laws that hold

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00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 1: them accountable. Look at the notion of you know, you know, impunity,

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00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 1: immunity that police people are granted. So now when you

1056
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: talk about the immunity that they are granted, that means

1057
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: even if they mess up and it proves that you

1058
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: proved that they kill somebody, well they're granted immunity because

1059
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: they were representing the state in this case, your cop.

1060
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,919
Speaker 1: So Obama couldn't change that. But what he could change

1061
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: he didn't necessarily do, which has changed the rhetoric, which

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00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: has opened your mouth. Yes, he convened the Police Committee

1063
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: and all that, but you got the bully pool pit,

1064
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,760
Speaker 1: you got influenced. Kanye has shown you that you can talk,

1065
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: and by talk alone, you can change the atmosphere, you

1066
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 1: can change people's perception, you can influence them in deep ways.

1067
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: That's what the darn social media is about. Social media influencers. Yeah,

1068
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: got no power. You might be making money off of that,

1069
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: but you've got influence in the world to change people's perception.

1070
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: Obama had the biggest bullet pulpit in the world and

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00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: often had to be pushed into saying something because of

1072
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: his own reticence to deal with race in America. And

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00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: Trump took advantage of it and did use it like

1074
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,959
Speaker 1: a But couldn't he have at least threatened and said

1075
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: you're listening from now on any law enforcement that it's

1076
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: called killing the innocent person. And maybe not just black people.

1077
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: Maybe obviously black people is the biggest part. But could he,

1078
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,439
Speaker 1: like at least have threatened them. So so some people

1079
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: were feel feel scared, like the president said, they're gonna

1080
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: get me, because the first of all, they didn't respect

1081
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: him as president. He was already the most Look, it's

1082
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: like being the baddest man in the world when you're

1083
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: the headweight champion of the world. Right, whoever has that

1084
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: title is the baddest man in the world. Mike Tyson

1085
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: Lennox Lewis. You know, Tyson Fear, You're the baddest man

1086
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 1: on the planet, the heavyweight champion. You're the most powerful

1087
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: person in the world when you're the American President, the

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00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: most powerful. And yet what they showed is that Obama

1089
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: had a lot of limitations on him. You might have

1090
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: been the most powerful in terms of theory. Right now,

1091
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: there are two theories. That's what you're saying in terms

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00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: of theory, because it was crazy about that. You're saying that.

1093
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: But when it came time to kill Osama, he was

1094
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: in that room. He had that power. He said, I'm

1095
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: a Merkhan falling back on that A what a hell

1096
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: of fight. So no, no doubt. But he can control

1097
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: He can control that con that's the deep thing. You

1098
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: can control the killing of Osama. But you can't get Yokol,

1099
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: you can't get you can't get Obama boy over here.

1100
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: And they got he can again because that would be criminal, right. Uh.

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00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: Some people already thought the killing of a so called

1102
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: terrorists was problematic enough, but can you imagine Obama turning

1103
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: that power against American citizens. That was his greatness, the

1104
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 1: refusal to to be seduced by the temptation to use

1105
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 1: and abuse your power in ways that are destructive of

1106
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: the American democracy. But on the other hand, uh, you

1107
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: could use your bully pullup it in ways that you didn't.

1108
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: I was about to say. They're two big theories of power. One,

1109
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,439
Speaker 1: a guy named Max Weber, sociologist, talked about it as

1110
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: inherent in institutions, as hierarchies. You above me, this person

1111
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: is above you. They got there the big dog. Another

1112
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: guy named Michelle forhu co talking about power breaking out everywhere.

1113
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: It's lateral. So if you try to get up into

1114
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: the club and the bouncer won't let you in, he

1115
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: might not be president, but he got damn power over

1116
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: your life that night. And you ain't. You ain't going nowhere, son,

1117
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: and you with your girl, maybe I'll say I could

1118
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: get in, I could get in. I'm gonna show you

1119
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 1: the dude going like now take your b a and

1120
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: you ain't going nowhere. So that's power of who Coo said.

1121
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: And people exercise power against each other and laterally not

1122
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: just top down. So Obama had enormous forms of micro

1123
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 1: politics of Obama had enormous forms of power that he

1124
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: could have used to try to get America to think

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01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: a different way. And when he was when he was,

1126
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: when he was inclined to do so, he did the

1127
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: famous race speech he gave in Philadelphia, the speech he

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01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: gave it the fiftieth anniversary of the March on Selma

1129
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: when John Lewis got his brains nearly beat out of

1130
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: his cranium. So when Obama was willing to do so,

1131
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: he could do it, but he was loath to do so.

1132
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: He didn't want to do it. He didn't want to

1133
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: use his political capital that way. He didn't want to

1134
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: be ghetto wise and seen as a president only for

1135
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: black people. But dude, and the second term, especially black

1136
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 1: people gave him pass in the first one. See dude,

1137
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: you could paint the White House black, red, black, and gray.

1138
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: Another rumor, they were saying that he didn't want to

1139
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 1: legalize marijuana because he didn't want to be the black president.

1140
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure well he didn't. They tried to get him

1141
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: to part Marcus Garvey, the great Marcus Garvey. Right. Guess

1142
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 1: who did I think Donald Trump? What right? Am I wrong?

1143
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: I think I said to be corrected, but I think

1144
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: Donald Trump partners considering partner. I think he did was

1145
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: considering partner. I think he did partner Marcus Guy, but

1146
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: he couldn't get Barack Obama to do it. And how

1147
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: is that gonna hurt the political Black Trump got colda blackout,

1148
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I'd rather be under the ground,

1149
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: put the flowers and people got out. Wow. Man. So

1150
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 1: the thing is is that And and Donald Trump met

1151
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 1: with the Congressional Black Caucus sixty days after he was

1152
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 1: in office. It took Obama nearly three years. So black

1153
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 1: people who are mad at white folks who uncritically and

1154
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: blindly expressed loyalty to Donald Trump don't see it closer

1155
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: to home. And they were doing the same thing for

1156
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: Barack Obama. Now again, we know Barack ain't Donald. We

1157
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 1: know Barack Obama is smart. He actually reads books, you

1158
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: know Constitution. He knows the Constitution. He reads things that

1159
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: he didn't write, and he interprets them with brilliance. But

1160
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: at the same time, the truth is that Barack Obama

1161
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: did not exercise the full range of his authority while

1162
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 1: in the office. And Black people loved him regardless, or

1163
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 1: the brothers on the street say, he're regardless. Do you

1164
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: think we're gonna have like and listen, I don't want

1165
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 1: to say this word. I don't want to say this word. Man,

1166
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna say you did whatever have like

1167
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: a legal president Richard Richard remember he was, he was,

1168
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: he was. He was doing there like, oh yeah, hey,

1169
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 1: I got a press converence because I'm trying to get

1170
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: away too. They were trying to kill me like Trump was,

1171
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,919
Speaker 1: like he had like he would do. So I would

1172
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 1: say Trump was niggard to leave, let's just sh something. Uh,

1173
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 1: you know, and he's still calling, you know, according to something,

1174
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 1: he's calling black people nigger. He wasn't saying nigger, right,

1175
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: so he wasn't identifying with that. Now, first of all,

1176
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 1: that's off limits to you, Donald, That's not something you

1177
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 1: can be saying. Even you know, the great Marshall Mathers

1178
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 1: understood that. Even though I want to rephrase that, we

1179
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 1: we have a president that's black and that's hood. That's

1180
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 1: that's not to say that Barack can not from the

1181
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: hood or not from the hood. What I'm saying, whether

1182
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: or not, you know, you know, what I'm trying to

1183
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 1: say is like what the hood tendencies like, you know,

1184
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if people remember as a Dave Chappelle's

1185
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: ski and Dave Chappelle was like, he was like, you

1186
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 1: know what, what what you like that from my wife?

1187
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 1: You ever, No, they could never get elected. I mean

1188
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 1: that's right. I mean, look, Obama wasn't the first black

1189
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 1: man to be capable of being president who was black.

1190
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: He's the first black man they allowed to be elected, right,

1191
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 1: Jesse Jacks Jackson, I mean the rhetorical genius of a

1192
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson uh receiving the baton symbolically from Martin Luther

1193
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: King Jr. And carrying it through the wilderness of white backlash,

1194
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 1: of anti affirmative action, of the culture of narcissism, of

1195
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 1: the hatred of black people, of white supremacist resurgence and recredescence,

1196
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: and still being out there doing this thing. He could

1197
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 1: have been president by far in the eighties. Oh yeah,

1198
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 1: right in the eighties. Surely chishoen running even before then.

1199
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, there are other black people who were taking

1200
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 1: as the president by a boarded with Chisholm, right like that,

1201
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: like that, like that. But here's the point that to

1202
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 1: get a black person like that, it's got to be

1203
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 1: by stealth. You gotta be Whitney Houston and will always

1204
01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 1: love you. Right, and then beneath you know, all y'all

1205
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 1: trying to cancel Whitney she ain't black enough. Oh she

1206
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 1: was really black in ways she couldn't even afford to

1207
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 1: say in public. She couldn't tell the truth about that blackness. Right,

1208
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: So you never know what people are doing, and we

1209
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 1: see black people have to signify, you know, on the surface,

1210
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 1: we had to be cool and come, hi, how are

1211
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 1: you fine? How are you? Yes, let's have dinner at

1212
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: the soonest, thanks so very much, bye bye now, And

1213
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 1: then underneath, like you know what's up? But to get

1214
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 1: to the stints, right, So, yeah, there's gonna be some

1215
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 1: great deal of signifying. But there are levels, as the

1216
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 1: great philosopher Meek Mills said, their levels to this. And

1217
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 1: the thing is is that, yes, I think. Look, Jackie

1218
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 1: Robinson was the first black ball player for the net

1219
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 1: you know, National, the major leagues. Jackie Robinson was a

1220
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 1: great ball player. He wasn't the greatest, but he was great, right.

1221
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:51,959
Speaker 1: He was chosen not because he was the greatest Larry

1222
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 1: Doobie right behind him, uh Newcombe, Roy Nucombe. But he

1223
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 1: was chosen because his temperament was even when they stepped

1224
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: on his fingers, even though he wanted to break them off,

1225
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 1: he was kind enough, he was disciplined enough to stand

1226
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 1: back up. So he was chosen as much for his

1227
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 1: pr skills and as much for his ability to defer

1228
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 1: his anger, asked for his skills. But coming behind him

1229
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: was William Mays, arguably the greatest player ever and some

1230
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:27,919
Speaker 1: would say Barry Bonds. So while Barack Obama was Jackie Robinson, yeah,

1231
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 1: pri steroids, he was the coldest. He was already, so

1232
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 1: that so let him in the hall, dude, because the

1233
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 1: stuff he did after he just had a bigger neck

1234
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 1: and he could hit longer, but he was still killing

1235
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 1: the ball before then. But my point is that Barack

1236
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 1: Obama is Jackie Robinson. Who were waiting for is Willie Mays.

1237
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 1: And Willie Mays will be a dominant, brilliant, capable president

1238
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 1: who's committed to Black people in a certain way, but

1239
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 1: he's still gonna have to disguise it. Let's be real,

1240
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 1: That's what I mean by Whitney Houston. You're gonna have

1241
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 1: to signify. But yes, I think there will come a

1242
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 1: point where a person who has historically been identified with us,

1243
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 1: who's not afraid because the culture allows him not to

1244
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 1: be afraid. Although that's that's that's a long way off

1245
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 1: to embrace his blackness. I mean, don't you think with

1246
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris there's some of that going on, whom I

1247
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 1: knowing love, but you know, not wanting to appear to

1248
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 1: be too black on the one hand, and trying to

1249
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: appeal to a broader audience. At the end of the day,

1250
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 1: you got to be who you is, as the old

1251
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 1: lady said, be who you is and not who you ain't,

1252
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 1: because if you is, what you ain't you and what

1253
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 1: you're not. That was all that was. So I've been

1254
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 1: critical of this regime. I've been critical cap Kamaa, and

1255
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 1: I've been critical of a Biden. I think Biden it

1256
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 1: looks weak. I think he almost acts the crepit um.

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Speaker 1: But besides all that, I feel like they don't come outside.

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01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like, like like me, I'm

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01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 1: used to see and presidents, I'm just seeing presidents going

1260
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 1: And I get COVID, I get all that, but it

1261
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 1: felt like it felt like even Bryan's a COVID. After COVID,

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01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 1: I'm not seeing them, for lack of a better turn,

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01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 1: seeing them in these streets. Yeah. See, this is what

1264
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna speak for. Biden's gonna say to you,

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01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 1: young man, I love your show, watch it all the

1266
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 1: time for my name. But at the same time, he goes,

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01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 1: it's it's a bit up there. I'm trying to run

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01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 1: the world from America and it's hard. I'd love to

1269
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:40,680
Speaker 1: take off time and watch reruns of MTV raps, but

1270
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 1: damn it's rough out here. Now. Your point is, though

1271
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 1: about the pr side of it. Though, Hell fella, well,

1272
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 1: met Obama wasn't that real social? Bill Clinton was social? Hello,

1273
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 1: how are you? How are you? What? They said this,

1274
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:59,600
Speaker 1: They said Obama was like a cat and and and

1275
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 1: Clinton was like a dog, no pun intended, So a dog.

1276
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 1: It would be a hundred people in the room. People

1277
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 1: love you. But the one person that don't the dog

1278
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 1: were like, don't the cat be like, you can take

1279
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 1: me to leave me home? I don't really give it

1280
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 1: an amp right, And Obama was like, look, it's good,

1281
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 1: I know what I'm doing. I'm gonna take care of business.

1282
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: If you like me, that's cool. If you know, check

1283
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 1: you later. So I think that Joe Biden is an

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01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 1: older American trying to preserve his health, trying to in

1285
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 1: the midst of COVID, trying to get the job done.

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01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something about Joe Biden. I went

1287
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 1: to the White House. I was invited along with a

1288
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 1: few other scholars and historians to talk to him. So

1289
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 1: we did our presentation. I thought it was gonna be

1290
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 1: like eight of us, we're gonna present our give our presentations,

1291
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 1: and then he goes, Okay, great, thanks a lot, it

1292
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 1: was great, take a photo op and leave. After every presentation,

1293
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 1: this dude is giving fifteen minutes response. Do you think this?

1294
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 1: Uh when you set this uh Dr Dyson about you know,

1295
01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 1: what was going on with civil rights in regard to

1296
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 1: LBJ and so. And he's asking serious questions and Michael,

1297
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:04,840
Speaker 1: do you think this all of that? I'm going like, damn,

1298
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 1: we were only supposed to be to the hour and

1299
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 1: a half we met for damn there four hours. The

1300
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:11,639
Speaker 1: man's energy was crazy. So I think that, Look, there's

1301
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 1: a there's room to be critical of all presidents. That's

1302
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 1: our job as American citizens. And you said you weren't political.

1303
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 1: Your job as an American citizen is to hold the

1304
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 1: people who represent you to account. You don't work for them.

1305
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 1: They work for you. That's why the police got it twisted.

1306
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 1: They think we're supposed to obey him. You work for us,

1307
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 1: and yet you're out here killing us. So I think

1308
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 1: I think Joe Biden is doing a hell of a job.

1309
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 1: He had a lot of stuff to clean up. Yes,

1310
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 1: he should be criticized like any other president, but I'll

1311
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:47,640
Speaker 1: tell you, in terms of the strides he's made and

1312
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 1: the efforts he's made and what he's tried to do

1313
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 1: is pretty darn remarkable. And if you compare him to

1314
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 1: his black president who was he who for whom he

1315
01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 1: was vice president, he hasn't done some stuff, man, In

1316
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 1: terms of substance that again may not look the same

1317
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 1: part cosmetically, but in terms of infrastructure, in terms of

1318
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 1: internal dialogue, in terms of politics, in terms of distribution resources, uh,

1319
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 1: it's far more powerful in many ways and advantageous to

1320
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:19,720
Speaker 1: us than in previous Amabe. You got to think about

1321
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 1: it in comparison to Trump. That's what he doesn't look

1322
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 1: like he's outside, but politically he's outside. Trump was outside

1323
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 1: tweeting a but that's why he wasn't doing no damn job.

1324
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 1: He was tweeting all the time trying to get us

1325
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 1: and likes. You know, there was Again, I'm not big

1326
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 1: en up Trump because I have no room to pick

1327
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 1: up anybody on that side right now. But what I'm

1328
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 1: saying is I do not like Donald Trump. Like what

1329
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say is I can go two weeks

1330
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 1: without hearing something about Biden or Camala. When Trump was

1331
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 1: in office, I couldn't go half an hour. Do you

1332
01:11:56,360 --> 01:12:00,680
Speaker 1: want the commercial or the product? And it's where looking too?

1333
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 1: Are you looking? Are you looking at like Twitter? Helon

1334
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 1: Elon Musk Twice I could go this week they were

1335
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 1: killing me. Yes, there now you can edit on Twitter now.

1336
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. He said, I got your back.

1337
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 1: Yeah you got a knighte of it. Right. But but

1338
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:36,720
Speaker 1: here's the thing. If they're in the house, the people's house,

1339
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 1: doing they work, although he's traveling and doing his thing,

1340
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 1: if he's trying to take care of business, that's what

1341
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,600
Speaker 1: we want. We don't want the performative presidency. That's what

1342
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 1: Trump was doing, going around hell fella mail with a

1343
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 1: well met, shaking people's hands, kissing babies, grabbing. Okay, So

1344
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 1: the thing is is that is that this is what

1345
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 1: he was doing, but he wasn't doing the work of

1346
01:12:57,320 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 1: the people. First of all, he didn't know what the

1347
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,880
Speaker 1: hell he was doing. His level of incompetence was amazing,

1348
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 1: his mendacity was astonishing. And at least what Joe Biden

1349
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 1: is doing is showing you one old white man can

1350
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 1: undo what another old white man did, and so let

1351
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 1: him do what he's got to do within and inside.

1352
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean you can't hold him to account. But

1353
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 1: it's the flashy, conspicuous elements of political theater, uh that

1354
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 1: may be lacking in Biden, but the underneath it's like

1355
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 1: Jay said, now, I might not be saying like a

1356
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 1: bust of rhymes, but when you break down my lines,

1357
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 1: you see what I'm doing. And in that sense, when

1358
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 1: you break down what Biden is really about, it's been

1359
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:43,040
Speaker 1: far more substantive in terms of policy. Barack Obama gave

1360
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:45,640
Speaker 1: us my brother's keeper. You could have done that when

1361
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 1: you were out of office. Man, God dang, what were

1362
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 1: you you had power inside? Don't be giving us no

1363
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 1: damn Sunday School approximation of feel good black male ism

1364
01:13:57,439 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 1: give us a serious, systemic alter alternative to the productive

1365
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 1: forces of evil, hurt, and pain that are out there,

1366
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 1: and I think he missed the boat in many ways

1367
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 1: in that regard. Do you think Obama had to do

1368
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 1: raging in a white house? Yeah, man, this is what

1369
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:16,680
Speaker 1: I want to see. I wanted to see Obama come

1370
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:20,760
Speaker 1: out one day down you know, down the stairs and

1371
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 1: they come with a do rag on with a grill,

1372
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 1: with his terry cloth road and it's Magic Johnson's sucks

1373
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 1: and his slippers and go, yeah, I'm living in public house.

1374
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:39,760
Speaker 1: That's what I do. Yeah, that's the best public house.

1375
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 1: But I feel living in public I mean. And then

1376
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 1: when he comes down, Air Force one, you know, was playing.

1377
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 1: I don't know what you heard about, but the right

1378
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:54,120
Speaker 1: got a dollar right. I mean, look, let me let

1379
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 1: me be the anger translator if I can. Baptist preacher cussing.

1380
01:14:58,200 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 1: I'm giving you a warning. So if you want to

1381
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 1: turn your ears away, don't listen to this. I'm gonna

1382
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 1: be Obama's anger translator. So Obama was given a speech,

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01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 1: his penultimate, that is, his next to last speech as

1384
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 1: the in the State of Union, and he goes, well,

1385
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 1: I have no more racist to run, and then of

1386
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 1: course the Republicans got yeah, thank god, and Obama have

1387
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 1: more racist to run because he was eight years he

1388
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 1: had to come out racists are as okay, racist run

1389
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 1: and then and then the promosas clapping. He says, well,

1390
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 1: that's because I beat you. Well, that's not not asking

1391
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:40,680
Speaker 1: for the Niggarais presidency or at least the blackened catfish presidency.

1392
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:42,960
Speaker 1: You know what Obama wanted to say, and allow me

1393
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 1: that privilege to say, look bit twice and if we

1394
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 1: had another election, we have that ass again. That's what obma. Holy, So,

1395
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 1: what happens in this crazy world? Right, because we've seen

1396
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 1: things crazier? Right? What happens if Kanye was I'm sorry,

1397
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:24,200
Speaker 1: I didn't really Damn, I didn't know whatever, thinking I'm

1398
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 1: a ship, She's more like Florida. No, I didn't know.

1399
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:33,760
Speaker 1: Let me tell you what I'd be like. I'm gonna

1400
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 1: answer your question. I was at the crib one day

1401
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 1: after having appeared on the Today's Show after the fourth

1402
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:47,599
Speaker 1: fifth year anniversary of the killing of the folk involved

1403
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 1: Nicole and Ron Goldman. Right, uh so, I said, ain't

1404
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 1: nothing black on o J but the bottom of his shoes? WHOA?

1405
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:57,760
Speaker 1: And I said, when when O J took that long,

1406
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:00,160
Speaker 1: slow ride down the l A freeway in A. C.

1407
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:02,720
Speaker 1: Collin's Bronco. It wasn't the first time he used a

1408
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:06,519
Speaker 1: white vehicle to escape of black reality. Boom right. So

1409
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:09,680
Speaker 1: I go home at data phone, rang phone, handed to me.

1410
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:12,439
Speaker 1: Wife gives me the phone. She said, it's a call

1411
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 1: for you. I said hello. He said, do I call

1412
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 1: you Professor Reverend or Dr Dyson. I'm saying myself whole day.

1413
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:25,840
Speaker 1: I said, you could call me Mike. Mike is fine.

1414
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 1: Most people who know me called me that, and it's

1415
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:31,360
Speaker 1: all good. I was. I was a straight you know

1416
01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because now I'm talking trash on today's show, right,

1417
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:40,759
Speaker 1: I'm chilling them with the rhetoric. I'm giving them vicious

1418
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 1: vicissitudes in the midst of vituperation. I'm just smoking them

1419
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:48,880
Speaker 1: right with big words. And then I came home and

1420
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 1: this food called me. I was like, huh yeah, he said,

1421
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:53,720
Speaker 1: I want to come to your class. Okay, any time

1422
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 1: you want to, You're you could come. It's amazing. And

1423
01:17:57,280 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 1: I'm saying and I called Johnny Cock. I said, how

1424
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 1: do you get this? They grown my prone number. I said,

1425
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 1: you know that's oh, Jane, you know what he'd be doing.

1426
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:09,519
Speaker 1: I'm just people are vulnerable. Right. So same with Kanye.

1427
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:11,640
Speaker 1: I go, oh my god, I've had no idea. No,

1428
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 1: I'd have to stand against. I'd have to say, Kanye,

1429
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 1: if you're president and you do great things, I'm gonna

1430
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 1: support you and stand by you and show you love.

1431
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 1: And if you don't, I'm gonna be your worst enemy,

1432
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 1: your most convicted uh, you know, critic, and to say

1433
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:27,800
Speaker 1: to you that now that you have political power, that

1434
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:30,720
Speaker 1: you must exercise it prudently. See, here's the problem. A

1435
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 1: lot of hip hoppers who love Donald Trump loved him

1436
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 1: as an iconic figure in the cultural space. You got

1437
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:39,599
Speaker 1: a bunch of money, he floss and he's our kind

1438
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 1: of dude, even as he hated Negroes at the same time.

1439
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:44,840
Speaker 1: Just just keep that clear. So they're already got a

1440
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:48,599
Speaker 1: problematic relationship with him, but now that he switches over

1441
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 1: to president, they have a hard time, some of them

1442
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:54,679
Speaker 1: trying to make that transition. He is now the president

1443
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 1: of the United States of America. He is wilding power

1444
01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 1: against the masses of black people. He's using his bully

1445
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 1: pulpit to demonize Mexicans, Muslims, queer people, and the like.

1446
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 1: We canna, we can have no truck with a guy

1447
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:12,760
Speaker 1: like that. Kanye West, should he win, has to be

1448
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:16,920
Speaker 1: opposed if he puts fourth policies rhetoric um that is

1449
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 1: destructive to American If he's doing what he's doing, now,

1450
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 1: we got to organize vigorously against his presidency. But what

1451
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:27,719
Speaker 1: if he changes his ideologies and he calls you and says,

1452
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 1: I want you to be my running me. Yeah, I'm

1453
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 1: gonna run from him, but I'm gonna run from him.

1454
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:37,800
Speaker 1: I got to see proof. I got to see. I

1455
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 1: got to see thirty days. I got to see thirty

1456
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 1: straight days. Are you just going I can't, no, dog, no, no, no,

1457
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 1: I got no. I got to know. First of all,

1458
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 1: it ain't gonna happen. And if it did, I'd say, Oh,

1459
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 1: they are far better people than me, sir. I am

1460
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 1: just a little minion out here doing my thing. But no,

1461
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 1: I mean, my job as a public intellectual and the

1462
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 1: cultural critic is to stand outside the amateurs of power,

1463
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 1: relatively speaking, and to offer a prudential insight and judgment

1464
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 1: about the forces of American white supremacy, social injustice, economic inequality.

1465
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:14,559
Speaker 1: I stand for the masses of people who are vulnerable,

1466
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 1: whose backs are against the wall. So at that level,

1467
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:18,840
Speaker 1: I can never go inside. So many people approached me,

1468
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 1: Dr Dyson, can you come in and run for the office. Now,

1469
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:23,919
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. I want to maintain

1470
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 1: my what Kanye says, independence of thought that allows me

1471
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:30,680
Speaker 1: to support who I think needs supporting, but to be

1472
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 1: critical at the same time. And do we speak about

1473
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 1: the Bill More after Bill More used the in word

1474
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:37,760
Speaker 1: and you came no, no, no, we didn't talk about

1475
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:40,680
Speaker 1: speak about that too, because I thought, what you what

1476
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:43,680
Speaker 1: you spoke with the Bill after that? Because we all

1477
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 1: see the joke that Bill made right, Um it was

1478
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:52,280
Speaker 1: a white guy, white guy on the show and said, man, Bill,

1479
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 1: you gotta come on the field with me and build more,

1480
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:56,600
Speaker 1: which was I really liked this man prior to this

1481
01:20:57,080 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 1: and I saw I saw it live. This is this

1482
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:02,639
Speaker 1: wasn't a feed. I was Friday night watching Bill More

1483
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:06,760
Speaker 1: Become on Friday tm PM on the East Coast and

1484
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 1: I got to hear him make this joke and he

1485
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:13,720
Speaker 1: was like, um, he was like, uh, said you gotta

1486
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:15,320
Speaker 1: come out here on the field with me and Bill

1487
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:17,880
Speaker 1: Moore goals he goes, hey, man, I'm a house nigger,

1488
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 1: and it was like Honestly, I kind of got it,

1489
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:24,280
Speaker 1: but I was like, oh, they're gonna fry him. I said,

1490
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:27,240
Speaker 1: I knew it. I knew, I knew that was gonna

1491
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 1: fry Bill More. One of his guests coming up afterwards

1492
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 1: were that was black. Were you and were ice cu

1493
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 1: right right? Simone Sanders? Three of us? So yeah, three

1494
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:42,639
Speaker 1: for the price of one. Yeah. Well, you know, Al

1495
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:44,640
Speaker 1: Frankin was supposed to be the lead guest, because I

1496
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:46,760
Speaker 1: was the lead guest on the show. Al Frankin said,

1497
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:48,800
Speaker 1: let Michael Rick Dyson do that. I'm not trying to

1498
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:51,720
Speaker 1: really be involved with that right now. Thanks to Al,

1499
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 1: that's very white of you. So I went, look, Bill

1500
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 1: Mars a friend of mine. We we we argue like

1501
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:02,000
Speaker 1: cats and dogs. We agree about a lot, we disagree

1502
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:05,559
Speaker 1: about a lot. But I knew that he made a mistake.

1503
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 1: He owned up to that mistake, He took a serious

1504
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:13,679
Speaker 1: cognizant of that, cognizance of that mistake, and he wanted

1505
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 1: to address it. So as a friend of his, yes,

1506
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 1: I felt compelled to go there, uh, to hold him

1507
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 1: to account. First of all, that what you did is wrong.

1508
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 1: You can't white people can never use that term. Period.

1509
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 1: Let me give white people listening a rule of thumb

1510
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 1: when you can use the N word. Never Right now,

1511
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:33,760
Speaker 1: I'll make one exception. If white people want to use

1512
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 1: that word, I'll give you a twenty four hour pass.

1513
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 1: If you transfer all wealth from white America to Black

1514
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:43,640
Speaker 1: America every dime for twenty four hours, you can go

1515
01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:48,720
Speaker 1: right after that. It's done. It ain't gonna happen, right

1516
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 1: So the point is that I knew Bill Maher had

1517
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 1: made a mistake. I believe he had often pummeled the

1518
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 1: forces of white supremacy, jammed up the very forces that

1519
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 1: were hurting in arming black people. So I didn't think

1520
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:05,679
Speaker 1: that we should cast away an ally again, cancel culture.

1521
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:09,480
Speaker 1: I didn't believe we should cancel him, hold him to account, absolutely,

1522
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:12,360
Speaker 1: tell him what he did is wrong. Absolutely, tell him

1523
01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:15,280
Speaker 1: that what he did was destructive and harmful in certain ways,

1524
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:18,200
Speaker 1: and make that plain, as Ice Cube did, as Simone

1525
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 1: Sanders did, as I tried to then allow him to

1526
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 1: return chastened by his uh if you will, conspicuous, uh,

1527
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 1: if you will, punishment. But more than that, it wasn't

1528
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 1: in punishment. It was really instruction and trying to share

1529
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:38,080
Speaker 1: a podium with a person who had made a mistake,

1530
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 1: but who was willing to try to confront it. And

1531
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:43,400
Speaker 1: that's why I looked when Farrell, speaking of Farrell called

1532
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 1: me up one day and he said, hey, Doc, I

1533
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:50,000
Speaker 1: got some some black lawmakers over here in Virginia because

1534
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:51,760
Speaker 1: he's from Virginia. I want to know what to do

1535
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:56,320
Speaker 1: about the Governor Northam who had done the black face.

1536
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:59,559
Speaker 1: Should we stand against him, should we oppose him, should

1537
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:01,640
Speaker 1: be staying him? And so I said, I'll meet with him.

1538
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:03,000
Speaker 1: I met with him, and they said, Doc, what do

1539
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 1: you think. I said, don't get rid of the dude.

1540
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 1: Nothing better than a white guy who can be forgiven

1541
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:11,720
Speaker 1: into his greatness. Nothing better than a white guy who

1542
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 1: has made a mistake, who's conscious of that mistake and

1543
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 1: is willing to try to right what is wrong. So

1544
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 1: I said, if you do the right thing with Northam,

1545
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:22,519
Speaker 1: he is the governor right now. And look, let's be real.

1546
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:24,800
Speaker 1: He first admitted, yeah, I was trying to do with

1547
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:27,680
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, you know, invitation, and he says, you want

1548
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 1: me to do the dance? Now? His wife said, seriously,

1549
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 1: you nut right, No, that is not the move. But

1550
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 1: he was going to admit it first. But there's no

1551
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:39,559
Speaker 1: room in this culture to admit you made him six.

1552
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:41,639
Speaker 1: So we had to lie and say no, I didn't,

1553
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:43,160
Speaker 1: I didn't. That wasn't me. You know. It was the

1554
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 1: shaggy defense. Right. But at the same time, you know,

1555
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:50,000
Speaker 1: he was a twenty years ago? Was twenty years ago?

1556
01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:53,400
Speaker 1: Has he changed? Has he evolved? Does he have new understandings?

1557
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:55,760
Speaker 1: Does he have a new standard? Has he admitted that

1558
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 1: what he did was wrong and if he couldn't admit

1559
01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:02,040
Speaker 1: it in public, has he made stri nights toward transformation?

1560
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:06,680
Speaker 1: So when he said right that that wasn't me. But

1561
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 1: but at the same time, he was trying to make

1562
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:13,400
Speaker 1: good on what was going on in that state. I

1563
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 1: told the black lawmakers, if you forgive him and stand

1564
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 1: with him, this man might turn into Abraham Lincoln. And

1565
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:21,120
Speaker 1: what did he do first? One of the first things

1566
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 1: he did was forgive uh ten thousand felons, uh, you know,

1567
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:29,760
Speaker 1: so that allowed them to vote again. He restored their rights,

1568
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:33,960
Speaker 1: He worked with black maternal healthcare. He pulled down the

1569
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:37,599
Speaker 1: Robert E. Lee statue. This man went on a tear

1570
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 1: all because he wasn't canceled, but he was forgiven. He

1571
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:45,880
Speaker 1: was integrated back into the community as a whole figure,

1572
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:49,760
Speaker 1: and he was allowed to exercise his gifts because now

1573
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:52,880
Speaker 1: he understood that what had happened then was wrong. So

1574
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 1: that's why I believe in forgiveness. I'm sorry, I'm a

1575
01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:59,200
Speaker 1: Baptist preacher. I believe if you mess up, you fess up,

1576
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:02,040
Speaker 1: your dress us up, and then you go into the

1577
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:06,920
Speaker 1: world doing the best you can. I mean, what's what's

1578
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:09,680
Speaker 1: that saying in the Bible? Who cast the first one? With?

1579
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:11,920
Speaker 1: What is that? What's that? What he who was without

1580
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:14,960
Speaker 1: saying cast the first? Done right? And then a lot

1581
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 1: of people have throwing stones living in glass houses. It

1582
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:19,280
Speaker 1: ain't a good look. So let me ask you, as

1583
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:24,400
Speaker 1: being a minister, how can you be a minister but

1584
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:28,439
Speaker 1: still love hip hop so much? Man? Yeah, it's just look,

1585
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:36,960
Speaker 1: it's rough. I don't know he's bros. Look, I'm afraid

1586
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:39,519
Speaker 1: of hip hop. I was a teen father they start

1587
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:41,479
Speaker 1: before hip hop. How could I be a preacher and

1588
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 1: get a woman pregnant? I was eighteen, she was six. Yes,

1589
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 1: those hidden skills are amazing, So so got a pregnant.

1590
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:54,720
Speaker 1: I ain't said it was a shotgun wedding, but a

1591
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:59,600
Speaker 1: revolver was in the room. So we got married and

1592
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:02,200
Speaker 1: then wars. Right. So I had a son, and I'm

1593
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 1: eighteen years old with a baby. I got to teach him.

1594
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:08,040
Speaker 1: I gotta listen to the music he's listening to. After police,

1595
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:10,840
Speaker 1: coming straight from the underground. A young nigger got it bad,

1596
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:13,680
Speaker 1: cousin brown and not the other color. So police think

1597
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:16,040
Speaker 1: they have the authority to kill a minority. I got

1598
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 1: a little I was blasting out. I was a seminary

1599
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:21,720
Speaker 1: professor in Hartford, blasting after police. So you can tell

1600
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:26,000
Speaker 1: I'm Irreverend Michael Eric Dyson. Right. I've never been on um,

1601
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 1: the side of black religion that is so observant to

1602
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:35,640
Speaker 1: protocol that it undercuts the ability to be redemptive or transformative.

1603
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:38,640
Speaker 1: I believe black people who believe in God know the

1604
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:41,880
Speaker 1: frailty of our humanity, are and more intimately acquainted with

1605
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:44,559
Speaker 1: our own sin, which is why we should forgive others

1606
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:48,200
Speaker 1: their sins. An old preacher told me once. He said,

1607
01:27:48,240 --> 01:27:50,800
Speaker 1: young man, Uh, it's easy for a young preacher to

1608
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:54,559
Speaker 1: damn the you know, humanity on the heat pile of sin,

1609
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 1: he said. But the older I get, the more I

1610
01:27:57,040 --> 01:28:00,240
Speaker 1: learned that you gotta offer forgiveness, he said, and give east.

1611
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:02,479
Speaker 1: And maybe because I need more of it myself. So

1612
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:05,080
Speaker 1: as I've evolved, I've learned that we need grace. But

1613
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:08,640
Speaker 1: hip hop has been an extraordinary extension of some of

1614
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:11,960
Speaker 1: the prophetic traditions of the Black Church that the Black

1615
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:15,720
Speaker 1: Church used to talk about social injustice, racial inequality. When

1616
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:19,160
Speaker 1: Jay says, you know, Ben Laden been happening in Manhattan

1617
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:22,479
Speaker 1: back when, back then police was alkina the black men, right,

1618
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:26,160
Speaker 1: I felt that I heard that right when nas it's

1619
01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 1: only right that I was born to use mikes and

1620
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 1: the stuff that I write, it's even tough of the dice.

1621
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:32,479
Speaker 1: I'm taking rap into a new plateau through rap slow.

1622
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:36,400
Speaker 1: I felt that right, Um, I felt KRS one, you know,

1623
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:40,400
Speaker 1: and and how many seconds of philosopher will begin to speak? Right?

1624
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:43,600
Speaker 1: So I felt that they at their best represented the

1625
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:48,439
Speaker 1: powerful expression of Black struggle for social justice. And in

1626
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:50,120
Speaker 1: the beginning, I know, Fat Joe took a lot of

1627
01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 1: heat on this. Black and Latino culture produced hip hop

1628
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 1: at its very roots and beginnings. Right, All kind of

1629
01:28:57,240 --> 01:29:00,200
Speaker 1: scholarship has done about this. This is why I think

1630
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:04,920
Speaker 1: it's important again for Kanye and other people talk to scholars.

1631
01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:06,760
Speaker 1: There are a lot of scholars out here who love

1632
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:09,040
Speaker 1: hip hop There are a lot of intelligent Black people

1633
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:11,360
Speaker 1: with pH d s. And I'm not saying that all

1634
01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:14,040
Speaker 1: intelligent people have to have PhDs because jay Z is

1635
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:16,080
Speaker 1: one of the greatest geniuses I've ever met and didn't

1636
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 1: graduate high school nas went to eighth grade. Uh, Little Wayne,

1637
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 1: and I can go on and on and on, but

1638
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:25,120
Speaker 1: those are outliers. The rest of y'all outlying, and what

1639
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:30,599
Speaker 1: y'all need to do? Okay, come on, respecting jokes, respecting joke,

1640
01:29:31,160 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 1: Respect these jokes. So so, the thing is, though, is

1641
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:43,080
Speaker 1: that less not undervalue education, not schooling. Schooling is the

1642
01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:48,240
Speaker 1: institutional matrix that receives the impulse to learn. Education means

1643
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:51,000
Speaker 1: I'm curious about the world in which I live, and

1644
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:54,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read and dig deep and think and I

1645
01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 1: think again. For Kanye, there are so many brilliant Black

1646
01:29:58,040 --> 01:30:00,280
Speaker 1: people out here. Why is it that black people have

1647
01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:04,479
Speaker 1: our entertainers as our spokespeople because of white supremacy, because

1648
01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:08,960
Speaker 1: they only allowed entertainers and athletes to represent us. Hey,

1649
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:11,160
Speaker 1: we like them. We like the Jackie Robinson's, we like

1650
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:13,880
Speaker 1: the well not so much Jack Johnson's. We like the

1651
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:17,600
Speaker 1: Joe Lewis has, we like the you know Louis armstrongs,

1652
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:20,440
Speaker 1: we liked the Pearl Bailey's, we like the Ella Fitzgerald.

1653
01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:25,519
Speaker 1: So they were allowed into spaces that we couldn't get into. So,

1654
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:29,440
Speaker 1: as a result of that, white supremacy mandated our spokesmen

1655
01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:35,560
Speaker 1: and women be celebrities who had received the kind of

1656
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 1: impromoter of acceptance by white folk. So ain't nobody looking

1657
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:44,760
Speaker 1: toward Miley Cyrus to be a spokespeople for young white

1658
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:48,960
Speaker 1: folks Britney spears for surely not. But the point is

1659
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:51,200
Speaker 1: we got young people who don't know a damn thing

1660
01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:53,519
Speaker 1: about history. And look, you know, I love hipp and

1661
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:55,479
Speaker 1: I might answer that, but if you don't know what

1662
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:58,639
Speaker 1: in the hell you talking about, be quiet. The great

1663
01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:02,280
Speaker 1: philosopher vic Innstein said, where every one cannot speak, there

1664
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:04,439
Speaker 1: if one must be silent. In other words, shut your

1665
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:06,719
Speaker 1: damn mouth. If you don't know what you're talking about.

1666
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:09,479
Speaker 1: And when they come to ask you what's going on,

1667
01:31:10,120 --> 01:31:12,320
Speaker 1: say let me get back to you, because I'm gonna

1668
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 1: go call somebody who I know on speed dial and

1669
01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:18,240
Speaker 1: get they insight so they can help us out. So

1670
01:31:18,360 --> 01:31:21,519
Speaker 1: I think that's necessary. Look, I ain't know, I ain't

1671
01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:23,880
Speaker 1: no rapper or even though I got bars, I write

1672
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:32,080
Speaker 1: I got bars and alcoholics six But I do what

1673
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:35,160
Speaker 1: I do. But I'm saying I don't. I don't rap

1674
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:38,280
Speaker 1: out on sing out on dance, but god dang it,

1675
01:31:38,439 --> 01:31:42,160
Speaker 1: I do think this is what I do, and black

1676
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:44,960
Speaker 1: people should take advantage of that. That doesn't mean everythinking

1677
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:47,599
Speaker 1: black person is gonna agree with every other thinking black person.

1678
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:50,559
Speaker 1: That's what it means. No, we're independent, we're critical. We're

1679
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:53,439
Speaker 1: self critical, uh sometimes too much. So that's why some

1680
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:56,000
Speaker 1: intellectuals can't get into the room, because all they do

1681
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:59,360
Speaker 1: is tearing down as opposed to reconstituting and building. So

1682
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:03,320
Speaker 1: I take that responsibility seriously. However, the reason I can

1683
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:06,519
Speaker 1: be a preacher in love hip hop is because Jesus

1684
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:10,920
Speaker 1: was ostracized as a figure in the community. First of all,

1685
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:13,439
Speaker 1: the Bible says Herod was trying to kill him when

1686
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:16,439
Speaker 1: the announcement made that he was born. The powers that

1687
01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:19,120
Speaker 1: be are always trying to kill color kids of color,

1688
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:21,840
Speaker 1: always trying to destroy them, sending them to school and

1689
01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:24,400
Speaker 1: kicking them out of school at ten, at seven and

1690
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:26,960
Speaker 1: eight and nine years old. Herods of the world are

1691
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:31,280
Speaker 1: always trying to undermine our children. Kick him out incarcerat them,

1692
01:32:31,479 --> 01:32:34,479
Speaker 1: send them from school to detention to prison. And so

1693
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:36,800
Speaker 1: Jesus was born in the main here. That ain't just

1694
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:40,120
Speaker 1: no pretty picture on Christmas. That means he's outside the

1695
01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:43,639
Speaker 1: political order. He has no money, his back is against

1696
01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:48,160
Speaker 1: the wall. And when he's spitting lyrics by saying two people,

1697
01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:50,599
Speaker 1: I give you now a parable, he might as well

1698
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:53,280
Speaker 1: be Kendrick Lamar. He might as well be j He

1699
01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:57,080
Speaker 1: might as well be you know Megan the Stallion. Yes,

1700
01:32:57,520 --> 01:32:59,720
Speaker 1: you know the woman at the well. She's speaking back.

1701
01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:02,400
Speaker 1: That's Megan the Stallion. Remember you know that when no system,

1702
01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:05,640
Speaker 1: when Jesus went to the well says where is thou husband? Now,

1703
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 1: you know a siste would have said, you Jesus, you

1704
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:13,880
Speaker 1: tell me I've been waiting year. But anyway, respect the

1705
01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:16,200
Speaker 1: second joke there. So the thing is is that as

1706
01:33:16,280 --> 01:33:21,720
Speaker 1: a preacher, I understand intimately the transactions and transgressions of

1707
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:25,880
Speaker 1: human beings who fail. Right when you lead the league

1708
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:29,519
Speaker 1: in hitting as a batter, that means you strike out

1709
01:33:29,560 --> 01:33:32,000
Speaker 1: seven out of ten times. Because you're bat in three thirty,

1710
01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:34,519
Speaker 1: that means you strike out seven out of ten times

1711
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:36,240
Speaker 1: you go to the plate. That's what it means to

1712
01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:39,360
Speaker 1: be a Christian is to understand that we are frail,

1713
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:42,200
Speaker 1: we are fragile, we are flawed, we mess up, So

1714
01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:45,880
Speaker 1: stop judging other people, accept them into the fold. And

1715
01:33:45,960 --> 01:33:48,439
Speaker 1: I learned something valuable about hearing hip hop. And now

1716
01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:50,519
Speaker 1: I don't mean this drill music. This out here now

1717
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:54,280
Speaker 1: because on the one hand, I hate that the American

1718
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:56,920
Speaker 1: legal system is trying to hold people accountable for some lyrics.

1719
01:33:57,439 --> 01:33:58,880
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, I mean, do you go to

1720
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:04,439
Speaker 1: the Godfather? Why don't you come to me first? Why? Why?

1721
01:34:04,840 --> 01:34:07,639
Speaker 1: I understand? You know, look how them massaking my boy?

1722
01:34:07,720 --> 01:34:09,320
Speaker 1: I mean, are you going? I mean, I'm killing the

1723
01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:12,519
Speaker 1: Marlin Brandon. I mean I can go for you, you know,

1724
01:34:13,479 --> 01:34:16,640
Speaker 1: verbs now for down on. You know Michael sitting in

1725
01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:19,479
Speaker 1: the chair. If you put a gun there, I'll kill

1726
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:24,160
Speaker 1: him both and Sunny goes they're laughing at him, but no,

1727
01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:26,280
Speaker 1: he says, why why can't we do it? So my

1728
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:30,519
Speaker 1: point is this that if we are talking about a

1729
01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:34,920
Speaker 1: culture that is sensitive to its limitations, and as a Christian,

1730
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:37,639
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be judging nobody and beating up on nobody.

1731
01:34:37,960 --> 01:34:40,720
Speaker 1: You should be loving and transforming people. That doesn't mean

1732
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:42,680
Speaker 1: we don't hold each other accountable. That only means when

1733
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:44,599
Speaker 1: we mess up big, we say we messed up big.

1734
01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:47,719
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean we don't suffer the consequences of our failures,

1735
01:34:47,880 --> 01:34:51,400
Speaker 1: but it also means we are invested in reconstituting society

1736
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:56,120
Speaker 1: restorative justice, not vengeance. And so much of what's going

1737
01:34:56,240 --> 01:34:58,280
Speaker 1: now on now is about vengeance. And when I hear

1738
01:34:58,320 --> 01:35:02,160
Speaker 1: this drill rap, that's different. I believe people have the

1739
01:35:02,240 --> 01:35:03,960
Speaker 1: right to say what they want to say. I've defended it.

1740
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:08,080
Speaker 1: I've testified before Congress several times, the Senate and the U. S.

1741
01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:11,600
Speaker 1: House to defend hip hop right. I was there with

1742
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:16,360
Speaker 1: with Dion Warwick and see the Lord's Tucker when they

1743
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:19,240
Speaker 1: were trying when they were trying to get new filling

1744
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:21,960
Speaker 1: back on that ask where the hell of gangster you?

1745
01:35:22,400 --> 01:35:24,640
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you about that? It's crazy. Let

1746
01:35:24,680 --> 01:35:26,600
Speaker 1: me let me say this and then so, so the

1747
01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:29,679
Speaker 1: thing is, I've defended them, but the drill, I'm tired

1748
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:32,160
Speaker 1: of black people dying in the hands of black people,

1749
01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:35,519
Speaker 1: and I'm tired of people writing songs about it that

1750
01:35:35,680 --> 01:35:38,719
Speaker 1: are about literal human beings that either they have killed,

1751
01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:41,800
Speaker 1: want to kill, or in celebrating that drill wrap. Then

1752
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:44,080
Speaker 1: going out trying to live the life they sing about

1753
01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:46,880
Speaker 1: in their song. That was beautiful. When was the gospel music? Right?

1754
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:48,680
Speaker 1: I want to live the life I sing about in

1755
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:51,400
Speaker 1: my song. That was a great gospel song. BB King

1756
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:54,200
Speaker 1: even saying about it. But that's beautiful when you're dreaming

1757
01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:57,559
Speaker 1: about love and community. It's not good when you're talking

1758
01:35:57,560 --> 01:36:00,320
Speaker 1: about killing, mayhem and murder. And so going out here,

1759
01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:03,800
Speaker 1: you know pop smoke or or PNB, you know you're

1760
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:08,120
Speaker 1: at roscoals and it's a father and son tag team

1761
01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:14,800
Speaker 1: of toxic masculinity and murderous masculinity. And you kill that kid.

1762
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:18,280
Speaker 1: You couldn't have just taken his chain, You got to

1763
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:21,120
Speaker 1: shoot him in his back, in his head. This is

1764
01:36:21,240 --> 01:36:25,000
Speaker 1: a cultural addiction to death that we must announce for

1765
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:28,360
Speaker 1: what it is and denounce it and figure out other

1766
01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:31,840
Speaker 1: constructive ways to embrace and love and edify each other.

1767
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:36,560
Speaker 1: And I think we need to be clear of of

1768
01:36:37,240 --> 01:36:40,320
Speaker 1: the trajectory of of of hip hop rotting where it

1769
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:42,760
Speaker 1: was a cautionary tale and now we're just telling you

1770
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:45,160
Speaker 1: what's happening in real time and we're doing it. That's

1771
01:36:45,160 --> 01:36:47,800
Speaker 1: a difference, and that's dangerous, right, or the third one

1772
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:51,880
Speaker 1: desiring to do it no snary tale reporting as journalism

1773
01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:54,479
Speaker 1: and end up here. Now that's what I want to do, right,

1774
01:36:54,520 --> 01:36:57,360
Speaker 1: It's one thing. I mean, listen to Regrets by Jay Z. Listen,

1775
01:36:57,680 --> 01:37:00,360
Speaker 1: you know I'm from the place where you know, uh what,

1776
01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:01,960
Speaker 1: as they said, the churches are the flick of this.

1777
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:04,200
Speaker 1: People been praying to God so long that they're atheists.

1778
01:37:04,479 --> 01:37:05,960
Speaker 1: Or I was here the other day, and then you

1779
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:08,040
Speaker 1: know he talks about time traveling so on in his

1780
01:37:08,160 --> 01:37:11,599
Speaker 1: own mind. Look about think about Nas talking about you're

1781
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:14,000
Speaker 1: talking to the young kid, uh speaking to him on

1782
01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:16,960
Speaker 1: the stoop. They made belly out of a verse from

1783
01:37:17,200 --> 01:37:20,519
Speaker 1: from from from Nas is one love. So there were

1784
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:24,040
Speaker 1: ways in which poetry or biggie niggas bleed like imagine me,

1785
01:37:24,439 --> 01:37:26,320
Speaker 1: you know, being scared of a nigga breathe the same

1786
01:37:26,439 --> 01:37:28,600
Speaker 1: air I breth right and he's he said, you know,

1787
01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:31,760
Speaker 1: the old dude with care seemed mostly rock to Isleys,

1788
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:36,320
Speaker 1: giving us novelistic details about the lives that these people live.

1789
01:37:36,439 --> 01:37:38,920
Speaker 1: Now it's about murder, murder, kill, kill, do you again?

1790
01:37:39,080 --> 01:37:40,880
Speaker 1: Kill kill? And the mumble rap. I don't want to

1791
01:37:40,920 --> 01:37:43,320
Speaker 1: sound like some old negro, but I'm saying, like you

1792
01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:52,320
Speaker 1: know that you said that, you know what I'm saying. No, no, Negro, no, no, no. Actually,

1793
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:55,200
Speaker 1: actually I've been black for sixty three years and don't

1794
01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:57,599
Speaker 1: know what the hell you said. Now, what I love

1795
01:37:57,640 --> 01:38:00,839
Speaker 1: about so called mumble rap, And we don't get Beyonce

1796
01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:03,160
Speaker 1: her credit for stouting it. In one sense, I mean,

1797
01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:07,760
Speaker 1: Beyonce was alighting syllables and slurring them deliberately as an

1798
01:38:07,800 --> 01:38:12,479
Speaker 1: a laconic and sonically interesting and vocally vibrant way. She

1799
01:38:12,479 --> 01:38:14,639
Speaker 1: should get credit for that. In terms of this music,

1800
01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:18,400
Speaker 1: I'm telling you she was mumbling and and she was

1801
01:38:18,439 --> 01:38:21,200
Speaker 1: alighting and distorting. Go listen to go listen to Beyonce

1802
01:38:21,439 --> 01:38:23,800
Speaker 1: that all right, listen to what she was doing, the

1803
01:38:23,960 --> 01:38:26,160
Speaker 1: interesting ways in which she was playing with syllables and

1804
01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:29,400
Speaker 1: alighting them and distorting them for musical purposes. They took

1805
01:38:29,400 --> 01:38:31,760
Speaker 1: it literally and started doing it like now we went

1806
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:33,640
Speaker 1: to hear what you're talking about now, and then what

1807
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:35,680
Speaker 1: you're talking about. Look, I believe in the blues, so

1808
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:39,600
Speaker 1: I believe the beautiful melodies that come out of so

1809
01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:42,560
Speaker 1: called mumble rap. I'm being an old, uh kind of

1810
01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:46,160
Speaker 1: consternating man here, but on that hand, I love a

1811
01:38:46,240 --> 01:38:48,800
Speaker 1: lot of that music because it's so melodically rich, it's

1812
01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:51,240
Speaker 1: so powerful, and it's so beautiful in terms of the blues.

1813
01:38:51,320 --> 01:38:55,320
Speaker 1: But the lyricism right standing by the speaker, suddenly I

1814
01:38:55,400 --> 01:38:58,120
Speaker 1: had a fever. Wasn't me or even summer madness? We

1815
01:38:58,200 --> 01:38:59,880
Speaker 1: got to we got to pick back up on the

1816
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:02,040
Speaker 1: lyrical integrity. Not a lot of the young people do.

1817
01:39:02,439 --> 01:39:04,840
Speaker 1: We know Jake Cole is lyrical. We know Kendrick is

1818
01:39:04,920 --> 01:39:08,679
Speaker 1: lyrical and and and I think Drake combines both of them. Drake,

1819
01:39:08,920 --> 01:39:10,960
Speaker 1: you know when Drake first came out, when when Kanye

1820
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:13,679
Speaker 1: talks about being independent, I was an independent thinker because

1821
01:39:13,720 --> 01:39:16,240
Speaker 1: I was riding for Drake. What people like what I said,

1822
01:39:16,320 --> 01:39:18,840
Speaker 1: Drake is a monster, It's gonna be a it's gonna

1823
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:21,400
Speaker 1: be a juggernaut, and was bigger than any of us thoughts.

1824
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:24,880
Speaker 1: But he he had the beautiful melodies and singing. Men

1825
01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:27,800
Speaker 1: didn't think, oh that's not manly. You're singing on a song.

1826
01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:29,800
Speaker 1: You're an R and B artist in the in the

1827
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:32,439
Speaker 1: middle of rapping. But what was he doing? You know,

1828
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:34,519
Speaker 1: jealousy is just loving hate At the same time, he's

1829
01:39:34,600 --> 01:39:37,360
Speaker 1: dropping bars and he's doing it with Little Wayne, one

1830
01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:39,639
Speaker 1: of the hardest out there. And he's integrating it into

1831
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:42,720
Speaker 1: his own ethic of masculinity that doesn't have to kill

1832
01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:45,120
Speaker 1: and murder and create, ma'am in order to be a

1833
01:39:45,200 --> 01:39:48,840
Speaker 1: real man. How about elevating that? How about loving that? Now,

1834
01:39:48,920 --> 01:39:51,240
Speaker 1: part of it is it's yellow upon yellow love. And

1835
01:39:51,320 --> 01:39:55,200
Speaker 1: I do recognize that, right his birthday is October is October.

1836
01:39:55,960 --> 01:39:58,800
Speaker 1: So there is some sepatico because I'm trying to help

1837
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:02,479
Speaker 1: Drake and Steff Orry bring yellow people back because we've

1838
01:40:02,520 --> 01:40:04,240
Speaker 1: been on the margins. We have been on the margins

1839
01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:07,720
Speaker 1: where you, Drake, Steph Curry and dj Envy all go

1840
01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:13,880
Speaker 1: to the same karate class, karate class. And here's the thing,

1841
01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:17,200
Speaker 1: and here's the thing that's so funny. Let's chop it up.

1842
01:40:18,360 --> 01:40:20,560
Speaker 1: But here's the funny thing about it. Because when we

1843
01:40:20,720 --> 01:40:23,720
Speaker 1: we were we've been in exile now for so long, right, oh,

1844
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:26,760
Speaker 1: you pretty chocolate boys had been dominant. You know, Denzel

1845
01:40:26,920 --> 01:40:31,439
Speaker 1: Andres Wesley killed us. Wesley killed us, Oh my god,

1846
01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:35,680
Speaker 1: Midnight and Magic Chocolate charmed he just murdered us. Right.

1847
01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:38,519
Speaker 1: But here's the point. So we've been in exile because

1848
01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:40,599
Speaker 1: we realized when we had the whip the first time,

1849
01:40:40,640 --> 01:40:44,080
Speaker 1: we were wrong, Like bright almost white. We believe we

1850
01:40:44,160 --> 01:40:46,920
Speaker 1: were superior. We believe we were cut or at least

1851
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:51,160
Speaker 1: people told us that. I'll be sure who dropped the balls. Yeah,

1852
01:40:51,200 --> 01:40:57,040
Speaker 1: the second album didn't hit like I mean, we got

1853
01:40:57,120 --> 01:40:59,479
Speaker 1: pushed out. We were trying to get We just got

1854
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:02,519
Speaker 1: elbow because the chocolate Boy said, oh no, we got

1855
01:41:02,680 --> 01:41:07,200
Speaker 1: heart and think nig so so so we got marginalized.

1856
01:41:07,240 --> 01:41:08,960
Speaker 1: So we're trying to come back now, but with a

1857
01:41:09,040 --> 01:41:12,280
Speaker 1: redeemed consciousness. Right because light skinned people don't want to

1858
01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:14,360
Speaker 1: talk about light privilege anymore than white people want to

1859
01:41:14,360 --> 01:41:17,439
Speaker 1: talk about white privilege. What I'm saying, we're loath to

1860
01:41:17,560 --> 01:41:19,439
Speaker 1: do that. We don't want to be honest about it.

1861
01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:21,760
Speaker 1: So this time around, we got to admit that we

1862
01:41:21,880 --> 01:41:24,680
Speaker 1: were giving privileges that we didn't learn a scene in

1863
01:41:24,760 --> 01:41:26,960
Speaker 1: ways that we can't control. And I'm not dissing you know,

1864
01:41:27,040 --> 01:41:28,760
Speaker 1: I look how I look, So I'm not trying to

1865
01:41:28,840 --> 01:41:31,800
Speaker 1: demonize yellow people. But I am saying at the same time,

1866
01:41:32,200 --> 01:41:34,320
Speaker 1: there are ways in which we have to be uh

1867
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:39,640
Speaker 1: cognizant of and conscious of and responsible for the consequences

1868
01:41:39,680 --> 01:41:42,040
Speaker 1: of such worship. You know, they would have a paper

1869
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:43,880
Speaker 1: bag down in New Orleans if you were darkening that

1870
01:41:43,960 --> 01:41:47,200
Speaker 1: you wasn't getting in the club, certain sororities and fraternities

1871
01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:50,000
Speaker 1: keeping them light, bleaching them. So we got to be

1872
01:41:50,160 --> 01:41:52,439
Speaker 1: honest and open up about that. We didn't invent that

1873
01:41:52,520 --> 01:41:54,640
Speaker 1: as light skinned people, but we took advantage of it.

1874
01:41:54,680 --> 01:41:58,000
Speaker 1: It's like white people saying, I wasn't here when slavery started. Yeah,

1875
01:41:58,040 --> 01:42:00,360
Speaker 1: but when you but when you get out here, you

1876
01:42:00,479 --> 01:42:03,280
Speaker 1: damn sure did not take advantage of what the opportunities were.

1877
01:42:03,680 --> 01:42:06,439
Speaker 1: So we didn't create the love of light skin, but

1878
01:42:06,560 --> 01:42:09,000
Speaker 1: we took advantage of it. We were benefited from it.

1879
01:42:09,320 --> 01:42:11,519
Speaker 1: So I want to do that at the same time. So, yes,

1880
01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:14,400
Speaker 1: the new light skin is socially conscious. I just want

1881
01:42:14,439 --> 01:42:17,559
Speaker 1: to announce that that that's a lot of Jamaicans that's

1882
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:21,200
Speaker 1: doing bleaching right now. That's that's that's I mean, Sammy,

1883
01:42:21,800 --> 01:42:32,360
Speaker 1: Sammy was Jae he was he was hitting balls in

1884
01:42:32,439 --> 01:42:35,519
Speaker 1: the bleachers, but he wasn't, you know. So yeah, that's

1885
01:42:35,560 --> 01:42:38,439
Speaker 1: that's that's painful. That's self that's self hatred, man, that's

1886
01:42:38,439 --> 01:42:41,559
Speaker 1: self hatred. Why why are you trying to darken? I mean,

1887
01:42:41,640 --> 01:42:45,479
Speaker 1: to lighten your skin. Sammy Sosa had a beautiful brown skin.

1888
01:42:45,920 --> 01:42:48,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, some of our rappers and people

1889
01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:49,360
Speaker 1: I don't want to name, no name, you know who

1890
01:42:49,400 --> 01:42:52,800
Speaker 1: it bleached their skins. It is so painful to me

1891
01:42:53,400 --> 01:42:56,840
Speaker 1: to see the beautiful, my beautiful black skin. My daddy

1892
01:42:56,960 --> 01:43:00,880
Speaker 1: was blue black from all Benny Georgia. I saw how

1893
01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:03,960
Speaker 1: black people treated him. I saw how the white society

1894
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:05,960
Speaker 1: treated him. They looked down on him like he was

1895
01:43:06,040 --> 01:43:08,080
Speaker 1: a simi in an ape and a range of team.

1896
01:43:08,120 --> 01:43:11,479
Speaker 1: They saw him as an animal and and and they

1897
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:14,800
Speaker 1: saw me as a light skinned, curly haired kid wearing

1898
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:17,200
Speaker 1: glasses or he must be smart. I had brothers who

1899
01:43:17,200 --> 01:43:20,360
Speaker 1: equally smart. The brother went to prison, I went to Princeton,

1900
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:23,160
Speaker 1: one brother in the pen. I taught at University of

1901
01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:27,000
Speaker 1: Penn right, but because of I'm not saying it's all

1902
01:43:27,120 --> 01:43:30,360
Speaker 1: based on skin and colorism, but a lot of it

1903
01:43:30,520 --> 01:43:33,280
Speaker 1: was driven by that. And the failure to recognize my

1904
01:43:33,400 --> 01:43:36,880
Speaker 1: brother's talent was driven by colorism as well. We gotta

1905
01:43:36,920 --> 01:43:38,840
Speaker 1: fight that with everything in us. I've been trying to

1906
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:40,720
Speaker 1: get down. I've been trying to get dark. I've been

1907
01:43:40,720 --> 01:43:42,840
Speaker 1: trying to get a calm, been trying to get a

1908
01:43:42,920 --> 01:43:45,160
Speaker 1: calm black. You gotta start with a kind's hair tramplan

1909
01:43:46,439 --> 01:43:52,200
Speaker 1: I can't wait to tell him he's horrible. Oh my god. Listen,

1910
01:43:52,240 --> 01:43:55,559
Speaker 1: all of that is product of colonialism still affect there

1911
01:43:55,720 --> 01:43:58,519
Speaker 1: is no question. But see now we bring a coming

1912
01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:02,080
Speaker 1: full circle because what we're talking about, what Kanye or

1913
01:44:02,200 --> 01:44:06,280
Speaker 1: the ideas he's promoting, is the colonial mindset in your

1914
01:44:06,320 --> 01:44:09,960
Speaker 1: own mind, unconsciously using your tongue as a freeway to

1915
01:44:10,080 --> 01:44:13,760
Speaker 1: deliver the vehicle of its white supremacy. That's what's going on.

1916
01:44:14,280 --> 01:44:18,960
Speaker 1: And until we recognize that colonialism, neo colonialism, the internalized

1917
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:22,960
Speaker 1: self hatred, the oppression of the dominant culture UH projected

1918
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:25,360
Speaker 1: onto us, all of that is happening. And until we

1919
01:44:25,439 --> 01:44:28,080
Speaker 1: confront that, we won't be healthy. I'm not saying every

1920
01:44:28,160 --> 01:44:30,519
Speaker 1: person who was a conservative of self hating. That's not

1921
01:44:30,600 --> 01:44:32,320
Speaker 1: what I'm saying at all, Because if you're going to

1922
01:44:32,360 --> 01:44:35,799
Speaker 1: study conservative people, then there's Thomas Soul, There's Walter Williams,

1923
01:44:35,960 --> 01:44:38,160
Speaker 1: there's Robert Woodson. I mean, there are a lot of

1924
01:44:38,280 --> 01:44:42,000
Speaker 1: conservatives I disagree with and fight against UH, but have

1925
01:44:42,160 --> 01:44:44,920
Speaker 1: respect for at least trying to make an intelligent argument

1926
01:44:45,320 --> 01:44:48,200
Speaker 1: about what they see going on. But for some people

1927
01:44:48,200 --> 01:44:53,519
Speaker 1: who take advantage of white supremacy, dollars to fund their

1928
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:56,960
Speaker 1: own anti black campaign. I ain't got no love or

1929
01:44:57,040 --> 01:44:59,519
Speaker 1: compassion for that at all. Let me let me ask you,

1930
01:45:00,200 --> 01:45:02,799
Speaker 1: thinking the news lately, which they just said that student

1931
01:45:02,920 --> 01:45:07,679
Speaker 1: loans being forgiven, is that something our community it should

1932
01:45:07,680 --> 01:45:11,600
Speaker 1: be happy for? Absolutely? Okay, But look, the white supremacists

1933
01:45:11,640 --> 01:45:13,880
Speaker 1: tell you that's true because they're going they got laws

1934
01:45:13,920 --> 01:45:17,000
Speaker 1: out here. There's a I think a state senator trying

1935
01:45:17,080 --> 01:45:20,240
Speaker 1: to sue the Biden administration now because he says, really,

1936
01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:23,679
Speaker 1: what that is about is forgiving black people what their

1937
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:26,880
Speaker 1: loans are, and therefore, as a result of that, we

1938
01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:29,639
Speaker 1: need to stand against it. So the white supremacists understand

1939
01:45:29,680 --> 01:45:32,560
Speaker 1: better than some of us that that helps us in

1940
01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:35,080
Speaker 1: a disproportion of fashion, because a lot of the people

1941
01:45:35,240 --> 01:45:37,560
Speaker 1: who make an under a hundred thousand dollars can be

1942
01:45:37,680 --> 01:45:42,000
Speaker 1: forgiven that twenty dollars. And the Biden administration said that

1943
01:45:42,200 --> 01:45:46,160
Speaker 1: in part, this would help those who are economically disadvantaged

1944
01:45:46,200 --> 01:45:51,519
Speaker 1: and historically underrepresented minoritized and racialized communities. And no doubt,

1945
01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:54,519
Speaker 1: no question about that. So moving forward, why why we

1946
01:45:54,600 --> 01:45:57,880
Speaker 1: don't have in America free college? Like why you have

1947
01:45:57,960 --> 01:46:00,880
Speaker 1: to pay for education? But but but like I go

1948
01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:03,280
Speaker 1: to people like my friends in Europe, they go to

1949
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:09,120
Speaker 1: hospitals for free, they go to the school. Canada elect

1950
01:46:09,120 --> 01:46:12,600
Speaker 1: the searches dogs along as a monster country. Oh you

1951
01:46:12,600 --> 01:46:14,439
Speaker 1: want to know that, No, you're gonna have that's that's

1952
01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:17,120
Speaker 1: ten years in seven days. Okay, see you then. So,

1953
01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:20,400
Speaker 1: But having said that, I agree with you wholeheartedly. We

1954
01:46:20,479 --> 01:46:23,360
Speaker 1: should have universal health care. We should have the ability

1955
01:46:23,400 --> 01:46:26,360
Speaker 1: to go into any hospital in this country and darn

1956
01:46:26,520 --> 01:46:28,320
Speaker 1: be able to get help. We should go to any

1957
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:30,960
Speaker 1: college that our minds take us to that we're able

1958
01:46:31,040 --> 01:46:33,240
Speaker 1: to go to. For that matter, why is it that

1959
01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:37,200
Speaker 1: we don't have a free holiday holiday for voting? Why?

1960
01:46:37,360 --> 01:46:40,800
Speaker 1: Why don't you get registered the moment you're born. Every

1961
01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:43,600
Speaker 1: citizen in America should be able to vote. Why we

1962
01:46:43,680 --> 01:46:46,840
Speaker 1: gotta go through you can look, you can have UH

1963
01:46:47,680 --> 01:46:51,400
Speaker 1: card a registration for a gun and be able to vote,

1964
01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:54,519
Speaker 1: but have one for college and not be able to vote.

1965
01:46:54,920 --> 01:46:59,440
Speaker 1: This is the twisted mentality. They think the Second Amendment

1966
01:46:59,760 --> 01:47:03,120
Speaker 1: is the Second Commandment right, And the problem is they

1967
01:47:03,200 --> 01:47:07,559
Speaker 1: worship guns, They idolize and fetishize all forms of ignorance

1968
01:47:07,560 --> 01:47:10,040
Speaker 1: and dominance and control, and at the same time, the

1969
01:47:10,160 --> 01:47:13,920
Speaker 1: masses of people, including white folk, would be advantaged by

1970
01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:18,400
Speaker 1: free college, by voting universally, and by universal health care.

1971
01:47:18,520 --> 01:47:22,439
Speaker 1: How better, how much happier would this nation be were

1972
01:47:22,520 --> 01:47:25,160
Speaker 1: we to be afforded those opportunities. And we're the richest

1973
01:47:25,240 --> 01:47:27,080
Speaker 1: nations in the world you ain't talking about. I mean,

1974
01:47:27,160 --> 01:47:29,639
Speaker 1: the nations you're talking about ain't the richest. We are

1975
01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:32,560
Speaker 1: the richest per capita, and yet we have some of

1976
01:47:32,640 --> 01:47:36,200
Speaker 1: the greatest chasms between the have gods and the have nots.

1977
01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:40,559
Speaker 1: The inequality is atrocious in this country, and we are

1978
01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:45,920
Speaker 1: continually creating economic policies that reinforce the poverty of the

1979
01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:49,280
Speaker 1: poor and the wealth of the wealthy. And we're exporting

1980
01:47:49,439 --> 01:47:53,800
Speaker 1: money currently right now in proxy wars, when just a

1981
01:47:54,040 --> 01:47:57,120
Speaker 1: fraction of that money could help that here, that disparity

1982
01:47:57,400 --> 01:47:59,880
Speaker 1: right here, right here at the crib, could be helping out. So,

1983
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:04,040
Speaker 1: oh yeah, no, I'm agree with you. Holy The other day, right,

1984
01:48:04,040 --> 01:48:07,360
Speaker 1: I couldn't sleep. So when I can't sleep, sometimes I

1985
01:48:07,439 --> 01:48:09,760
Speaker 1: don't watch Netflix. I don't watch Hulu. I like to

1986
01:48:09,800 --> 01:48:12,320
Speaker 1: do is go watch old school cable. Right. I want

1987
01:48:12,360 --> 01:48:15,479
Speaker 1: to watch Jerry Springer, I want to watch ship like that.

1988
01:48:15,640 --> 01:48:19,400
Speaker 1: So I'm watching Cheetahs the other day, right, And Cheetah's

1989
01:48:21,120 --> 01:48:27,000
Speaker 1: Cheeta chee cheeters. You know this is get caught cheating.

1990
01:48:27,200 --> 01:48:29,920
Speaker 1: But this white couple come on, I could I couldn't

1991
01:48:29,960 --> 01:48:34,599
Speaker 1: watch it. The Chinese couple come on, I couldn't Chinese.

1992
01:48:34,640 --> 01:48:36,600
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I couldn't. I couldn't watch it.

1993
01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:41,240
Speaker 1: But as soon as black pain came on, identified with it,

1994
01:48:41,560 --> 01:48:43,120
Speaker 1: I was like, I was as soon as I've seen

1995
01:48:43,160 --> 01:48:44,840
Speaker 1: a black couple come, I was like, oh, ship, now

1996
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:47,479
Speaker 1: be rocking. And then I seen the Latino a couple

1997
01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:50,080
Speaker 1: come on, and me being half of Latino, I did,

1998
01:48:50,160 --> 01:48:52,240
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, I said, You'll wait a minute.

1999
01:48:52,600 --> 01:48:55,280
Speaker 1: Am I addicted to back trauma not even know it?

2000
01:48:55,840 --> 01:48:59,000
Speaker 1: It could be the case or representation matters, or you

2001
01:48:59,120 --> 01:49:03,360
Speaker 1: identified with what you are. Look, it relates relates to

2002
01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:05,439
Speaker 1: you can see you right you You can't identify with

2003
01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:08,200
Speaker 1: a white person or an Asian person necessarily although most

2004
01:49:08,280 --> 01:49:10,280
Speaker 1: of us, you know black people, we go to movies

2005
01:49:10,280 --> 01:49:11,840
Speaker 1: all the time and got no black people and we'll

2006
01:49:11,840 --> 01:49:14,800
Speaker 1: be a girl, get out the way. The man is

2007
01:49:14,840 --> 01:49:19,000
Speaker 1: behind you throwing stuff at the theater. Right, ain't no

2008
01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:21,600
Speaker 1: black people involved? Right? So we have an ability to

2009
01:49:21,760 --> 01:49:25,320
Speaker 1: transcend our ethnic boundaries and tribalism in many ways. But

2010
01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:28,200
Speaker 1: having said that, I grew up in an era where

2011
01:49:28,240 --> 01:49:30,920
Speaker 1: they had Jet Magazine, which is a physical magazine's not

2012
01:49:31,080 --> 01:49:34,320
Speaker 1: gonna line and every week and Jet Magazine when Beauty

2013
01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:37,479
Speaker 1: of the Week, well, I mean that's why, that's why

2014
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:39,960
Speaker 1: I looked at that man that was number one. But

2015
01:49:39,960 --> 01:49:41,680
Speaker 1: I'm a baptistreacher, so I have to say number two.

2016
01:49:43,040 --> 01:49:46,320
Speaker 1: So the Jet Beauty Week, which was cold. But then

2017
01:49:46,560 --> 01:49:51,120
Speaker 1: at the end of the book, always this week in television,

2018
01:49:51,640 --> 01:49:55,360
Speaker 1: all the black people and shows that were involved were

2019
01:49:55,479 --> 01:49:58,080
Speaker 1: lifted in Jet. Oh, Diane Carroll is going to be

2020
01:49:58,120 --> 01:50:01,759
Speaker 1: a guest star on but and so Sammy Davis Jr.

2021
01:50:01,840 --> 01:50:04,519
Speaker 1: Will have a guest starring role on mann X and

2022
01:50:04,640 --> 01:50:06,800
Speaker 1: so on. Now, first of all, it was tragic because

2023
01:50:06,840 --> 01:50:08,800
Speaker 1: all the blackness could be listed at the end of

2024
01:50:08,840 --> 01:50:11,479
Speaker 1: a magazine right that that that black people are on.

2025
01:50:11,600 --> 01:50:14,800
Speaker 1: But that's how hungry we were to see ourselves represented

2026
01:50:15,120 --> 01:50:18,800
Speaker 1: the Real Housewives of right, We're so desperate to see

2027
01:50:18,840 --> 01:50:22,200
Speaker 1: ourselves represented. Now we have over representation and over indexing

2028
01:50:22,640 --> 01:50:26,600
Speaker 1: in some negative situations, but we are still desperate to

2029
01:50:26,800 --> 01:50:31,639
Speaker 1: see representation, to be counted, to be seen and part

2030
01:50:31,720 --> 01:50:33,760
Speaker 1: of that is you wanted to be saying even if

2031
01:50:33,800 --> 01:50:40,479
Speaker 1: it's night and I was like, wait a minute, man,

2032
01:50:40,520 --> 01:50:43,040
Speaker 1: I don't just used to see him. That can be

2033
01:50:44,280 --> 01:50:47,200
Speaker 1: at the same time. But the thing is is that

2034
01:50:47,320 --> 01:50:50,439
Speaker 1: representation does matter. We perk up when we see those

2035
01:50:50,479 --> 01:50:53,800
Speaker 1: who look like us. And the problem with white supremacy

2036
01:50:53,880 --> 01:50:56,640
Speaker 1: is not that white people identify with white people, is

2037
01:50:56,720 --> 01:50:59,080
Speaker 1: that that they only identify with white people, and that

2038
01:50:59,160 --> 01:51:03,360
Speaker 1: they identify with people in a way to exclude opportunity

2039
01:51:03,439 --> 01:51:05,559
Speaker 1: for others. Remember that Saturday Night Live skilled with Eddie

2040
01:51:05,640 --> 01:51:07,599
Speaker 1: Murphy when they go into the bank and he dresses

2041
01:51:07,760 --> 01:51:10,960
Speaker 1: up like a white man. Yeah, they were like, right,

2042
01:51:10,960 --> 01:51:12,479
Speaker 1: and then then you know he goes every bank. You know,

2043
01:51:12,520 --> 01:51:16,320
Speaker 1: black people can't get no money. He go to get

2044
01:51:16,360 --> 01:51:20,920
Speaker 1: it along, just take all the money. Right. So that's

2045
01:51:20,960 --> 01:51:23,120
Speaker 1: what it right, That's that's what it is. Right. When

2046
01:51:23,160 --> 01:51:26,240
Speaker 1: you're in a dominant position, you don't understand. Uh. David

2047
01:51:26,320 --> 01:51:31,200
Speaker 1: Foster Wallace, a late great, uh incredible um novelists, had

2048
01:51:31,200 --> 01:51:33,400
Speaker 1: a little story, a little parable. He said. It was

2049
01:51:33,439 --> 01:51:37,000
Speaker 1: these two fish in the war, right, and they're floating along,

2050
01:51:37,040 --> 01:51:39,760
Speaker 1: they're doing their thing, and they see this older fish,

2051
01:51:40,400 --> 01:51:42,880
Speaker 1: you know, coming in the opposite direction, and the older

2052
01:51:43,040 --> 01:51:48,519
Speaker 1: fish says to them, afternoon, how's the water boys, and

2053
01:51:48,600 --> 01:51:51,120
Speaker 1: then goes on about his business. And then they turned

2054
01:51:51,160 --> 01:51:54,720
Speaker 1: to each other, what's water? Because when you're in it,

2055
01:51:55,520 --> 01:52:00,560
Speaker 1: you don't recognize where you are. So white of premises

2056
01:52:00,640 --> 01:52:03,719
Speaker 1: the same way whiteness is the same way you're born

2057
01:52:03,800 --> 01:52:06,280
Speaker 1: on third base, think you hit a triple. You think

2058
01:52:06,320 --> 01:52:08,960
Speaker 1: the world operates and has the same advantage as you do.

2059
01:52:09,520 --> 01:52:12,439
Speaker 1: You think the world operates according to your viewpoints. Even

2060
01:52:12,479 --> 01:52:14,680
Speaker 1: if you're a poor white person, you think you have

2061
01:52:14,760 --> 01:52:17,439
Speaker 1: the ability to work hard and therefore make a difference,

2062
01:52:17,760 --> 01:52:20,800
Speaker 1: not knowing that millions upon millions of black and brown

2063
01:52:20,880 --> 01:52:24,000
Speaker 1: and Latino and queer and other people have worked hard,

2064
01:52:24,280 --> 01:52:27,720
Speaker 1: and Asian folks work hard and never got the rewards

2065
01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:31,040
Speaker 1: they deserve. So they're in water, and you never know

2066
01:52:31,240 --> 01:52:34,040
Speaker 1: you're in water unto somebody calls attention to it, and

2067
01:52:34,160 --> 01:52:36,960
Speaker 1: then you pay attention to what that is. And that's

2068
01:52:37,000 --> 01:52:39,679
Speaker 1: what whiteness is in this country. Even white folks rapport

2069
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:44,599
Speaker 1: who go, look, I'm poor, I ain't got no advantages. Uh,

2070
01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:46,800
Speaker 1: people are mistreat me and so on and so forth.

2071
01:52:46,920 --> 01:52:49,839
Speaker 1: I say to them, if you can meet a police

2072
01:52:49,880 --> 01:52:52,479
Speaker 1: person and live to tell about it. You ain't got

2073
01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:55,519
Speaker 1: to be rich to take advantage of white privilege, the

2074
01:52:55,720 --> 01:52:59,240
Speaker 1: privilege to be taken seriously. I've seen white folks chasing

2075
01:52:59,320 --> 01:53:03,280
Speaker 1: police car is down with machetes, right, and the police

2076
01:53:03,280 --> 01:53:06,960
Speaker 1: are running from them with a gun in their hoster

2077
01:53:07,760 --> 01:53:11,400
Speaker 1: because their mentality is I'm not going to harm this

2078
01:53:11,560 --> 01:53:16,800
Speaker 1: fellow citizen. If only they could apply that to us.

2079
01:53:17,520 --> 01:53:19,479
Speaker 1: And so this is why black people are so deeply

2080
01:53:19,680 --> 01:53:24,040
Speaker 1: entrenched in abolishing the police, reconstructing the police, trying to

2081
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Speaker 1: grapple with police powers because they have been unleashed two

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Speaker 1: on us in a way, because white people don't understand

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01:53:31,720 --> 01:53:34,480
Speaker 1: they have an advantage and a privilege and an opportunity

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01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:38,519
Speaker 1: and an experience that the masses of non white people

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Speaker 1: will never know. Well that was, that was, But let's

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01:53:43,880 --> 01:53:46,479
Speaker 1: say something to you. I know us about giving people flowers.

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01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:49,880
Speaker 1: You know, that's why we are That's why we are

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01:53:49,960 --> 01:53:52,519
Speaker 1: pulled that we received this black last because we know

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01:53:52,600 --> 01:53:54,960
Speaker 1: if people pre dominantly watch our show. We did check

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Speaker 1: Kanye We did check him on his anti semites, and

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01:53:58,080 --> 01:54:00,120
Speaker 1: we did check him on the George Floyd thing, did

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01:54:00,200 --> 01:54:02,600
Speaker 1: check him on Black Lives Matter, But most people just

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Speaker 1: watched the first fifteen minutes or eighteen minutes. But our

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01:54:05,640 --> 01:54:07,840
Speaker 1: show is pre dominant about giving people flowers, and we

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01:54:07,880 --> 01:54:09,920
Speaker 1: would be remissed if we didn't give you your flowers.

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Speaker 1: So we wanted to give your flowers face to face. Man,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Let's you get the flowers? Yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: my god, marijuana, no no, no, but I got I

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Speaker 1: got some beautiful thank you. But I got one more

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Speaker 1: question because I know you gotta go. So I know

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01:54:31,560 --> 01:54:33,640
Speaker 1: you gotta let's let's hang out, and let's hang out

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Speaker 1: and did not now look an older serious? Then then

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Speaker 1: I'll take a little champagne. But I wanted I wanted

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Speaker 1: to be so do this, motherfucker. I was scared that

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Speaker 1: I'll see you over there. I ain't want to say

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Speaker 1: now that he had one bit. You know we're serious

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Speaker 1: over but but I didn't. You didn't do a quick

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Speaker 1: time and then we can end it there um reparations.

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Speaker 1: First off, we're we stand as a people on on

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Speaker 1: getting or receiving reprobations, and to where do you stay?

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01:55:05,480 --> 01:55:07,839
Speaker 1: Do you think this is something that we we deserved,

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Speaker 1: It is something that that that we should get moving forward? Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: Martin usin King Jr. Nine three in his book Why

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Speaker 1: We Can't Wait, said that a nation had, excuse me,

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Speaker 1: a nation that has done something special against the Negro

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Speaker 1: for two hundred and fifty years must now do something

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Speaker 1: special for the Negro. And he talked about a g

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Speaker 1: I bill, Remember the g I bill. World War two

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Speaker 1: soldiers returned home. What did they get? They got extra

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Speaker 1: points on a test to get into school. That was cool.

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01:55:39,920 --> 01:55:43,280
Speaker 1: You got to hook up right, you got money for

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01:55:43,440 --> 01:55:48,480
Speaker 1: a house, and you got the ability to get a job.

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01:55:49,800 --> 01:55:53,920
Speaker 1: That's the holy trinity of affirmative action. There's a scholar

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Speaker 1: named Iraq Hats Nelson, Professor of sociology in history at Columbia,

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Speaker 1: who wrote a book when affirmative action was wait, see

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Speaker 1: a lot of white folks. I'm you know, the Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court is gonna, as soume uh, you know, vote again

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Speaker 1: on affirmative action and probably will undercut it. The point

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Speaker 1: is that affirmative action was a white thing from the

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01:56:11,720 --> 01:56:16,440
Speaker 1: getty up. So reparations are due. I think it's Tupaca

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01:56:16,600 --> 01:56:20,240
Speaker 1: somebody saying the The truth is that we are deserving

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Speaker 1: of reparations, having worked for free to build this nation.

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Speaker 1: Literally the institutions, the buildings, the infrastructure. Everything that we

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Speaker 1: see in this nation was created and constructed by black labor,

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Speaker 1: indigenous labor, Asian labor, black free labor forced against our will,

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Speaker 1: being brought here in sixteen nineteen symbolically, as the record says,

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01:56:47,280 --> 01:56:50,280
Speaker 1: twenty and some negroes brought here to America, and from

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Speaker 1: then the proliferation of black bodies to support this nation.

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01:56:53,800 --> 01:56:57,840
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't we pay reparations? Yes, and reparations come, by

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Speaker 1: the way, in many forms. It could be educated sational subsidies, land.

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Speaker 1: How about not not not having negroes pay taxes for

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Speaker 1: the next fifttle next we not pay taxes right there?

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01:57:15,680 --> 01:57:17,600
Speaker 1: And look, if you can't give us forty acres in

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Speaker 1: the mule, give us an acre on Wall Street. And

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01:57:20,040 --> 01:57:21,760
Speaker 1: if you ain't got a mule, give us a jackbar

2146
01:57:21,840 --> 01:57:24,880
Speaker 1: and call it today. But the point is that, yes,

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Speaker 1: reparations are necessary, They are critical, they are vital, They

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Speaker 1: have been critical in Europe. What happened to Jewish brothers

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01:57:31,480 --> 01:57:35,040
Speaker 1: and sisters who were demonized by Hitler in Germany? What

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01:57:35,160 --> 01:57:38,680
Speaker 1: happened to Japanese brothers and sisters in this country were

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01:57:38,760 --> 01:57:42,160
Speaker 1: demonizing interment camps so yes we are, and there are

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Speaker 1: some state legislatures that are talking about reparations for black people,

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Speaker 1: at least under Joe Biden. Right, we are now speaking

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Speaker 1: about the possibility of studying reparations because the black president,

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01:57:56,080 --> 01:58:02,920
Speaker 1: Barack Obama was against them, right, against reparations. Absolutely, they

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01:58:02,960 --> 01:58:05,960
Speaker 1: put up a vote with Now he talked about it

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Speaker 1: in his discussions that he didn't think it was gonna win,

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Speaker 1: he didn't think it was feasible, and let's not do it.

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Speaker 1: So so again, the old white man, Joe Biden, the

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Speaker 1: night he was elected said black people, I owe you

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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna pay here. Now that's what Joe Biden said. Now,

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Speaker 1: whether or not he followed through exactly as you thought,

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Speaker 1: the fact that he put it into the public spear. Now,

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Speaker 1: let me say this for all those naysayers out there

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Speaker 1: who are black. This hypocritical professor doesn't recognize that that Biden,

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Speaker 1: that Obama couldn't say certain things. I do recognize that.

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Speaker 1: I recognize that Obama couldn't say a lot of things

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Speaker 1: that a white guy could say. Obama couldn't be as

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Speaker 1: black as uh Bill Clinton. Going on our cene or

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Speaker 1: Hall Plan, the saxophone, I get that, But there are

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Speaker 1: ways in which the substance of his policy could reflect

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Speaker 1: a commitment to the transformative practice of politics for black people.

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Speaker 1: So all I'm saying to you is Obama could have

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Speaker 1: done that and could also have used his bully pulpit

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Speaker 1: to inform America about what was going on. Because at

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Speaker 1: the second term, they ain't gonna love you no more. Bro,

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Speaker 1: They don't love you like that, So therefore do what

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Speaker 1: you think is necessary. But here's the thing we didn't

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Speaker 1: want to accept about Obama. What he was doing is

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Speaker 1: what he felt, you know. You know, Michael Jordan said,

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Speaker 1: after I get out of you know, basketball, then I'll

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Speaker 1: be more political. And to a certain degree it has been.

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Speaker 1: But people were saying, can you when you're in offices

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Speaker 1: when it makes a difference. Nobody want to hear from

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Speaker 1: you after you leave, when you retire. Obama was president,

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Speaker 1: and since he's been retired, he's coming back now for

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Speaker 1: the midterms. He out didn't making dough, he had to

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Speaker 1: hanging out with multi white billionaires. Obama. Yes, And now, look,

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Speaker 1: I ain't mad at him getting no dough. I ain't

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Speaker 1: mad at him making no money. I ain't mad at

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Speaker 1: him getting everything he can, but using and I know

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Speaker 1: he has to be relatively silent because he wants to

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Speaker 1: respect the president president. I get that, but he does

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Speaker 1: come out every now and again to make statements, uh,

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Speaker 1: and to articulate his idea and his ideas. And it's

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Speaker 1: extremely important that we hear from him. But it was

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Speaker 1: especially important when he was in office to make use

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Speaker 1: of that bully pulpit to change the lives of many

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Speaker 1: black people. And many things he left on the table,

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Speaker 1: and he had nothing to do with white folk denying

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Speaker 1: him an opportunity to be able to do what he did.

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Speaker 1: He didn't have to go to black churches and and

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Speaker 1: squash black men. He didn't have to. He didn't have

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Speaker 1: to go to the fifth anniversity of the March on

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Speaker 1: Washington and then and then dog black people saying that

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Speaker 1: we used the excuses of Malcolm's death and Martin's death

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Speaker 1: to engage in the culture of crime. Had a white

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Speaker 1: boy said that, we would have been nuts. I sound

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Speaker 1: like white supremacy. Well. Again, the anti blackness and some

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Speaker 1: of Obama's rhetoric has pointed out by many writers and

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Speaker 1: thinkers was really real, including Tana Has Colts who wrote

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Speaker 1: about it why does he speak to us that way?

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Speaker 1: In the Atlantic magazine, Obama was on some of that

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Speaker 1: anti blackness as well. Man, that got deep ready for

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Speaker 1: a quick time. We played a game on our show.

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Speaker 1: It's called quick Time with Slim, Right, So, uh, if

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02:01:11,800 --> 02:01:17,240
Speaker 1: you could pick one or the other, and um, if

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Speaker 1: politically reckon you pick both, we drink and that you're

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Speaker 1: not drinking, We'll drink for you. We'll drink for you.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you all drunk. You Sunday computer real Sunday,

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Speaker 1: your ring your ringer drinker. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. So okay,

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Speaker 1: I feel like because he was rushing it. Because he

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Speaker 1: was rushing it, Okay, okay, so that's cool. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: the first part of it. Oh let me see okay, okay, okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: go ahead. Oh this is good. Yeah, yeah said the

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Speaker 1: first one is tupac DMX pack. Okay, ice cube, but

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Speaker 1: chuck d damn y'all better drink because because Elvis was

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Speaker 1: that he wrote the most money never meant to me

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Speaker 1: straight up races the sucker was simple and plain or

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Speaker 1: ice cube? I mean, come on, man, why is it

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Speaker 1: that own time black people get it ride in a

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Speaker 1: limo when they did I mean both of them genius? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: jay Z Nas I mean, but look, obviously, obviously jay

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Speaker 1: Z is a unique figure in the history of hip hop.

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Speaker 1: There's never been a figure with that much rhetorical genius,

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Speaker 1: intellectual capacity, cultural momentum, and the power to shift and

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02:02:39,400 --> 02:02:43,440
Speaker 1: change the culture with his rhetoric and then follow that

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Speaker 1: up with his extraordinary embodiment of a boss. So in

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Speaker 1: that sense, jay Z is unique and above anyone else

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Speaker 1: to whom he could be compared. But when you look

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Speaker 1: at the poetry of Naas and of Jay their geniuses sixteen,

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Speaker 1: I mean started at six, and these young guys music,

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Speaker 1: and they're be like, well, well they all have enough experience,

2244
02:03:07,720 --> 02:03:10,680
Speaker 1: and and you're like, wait a minute, look now, I

2245
02:03:10,840 --> 02:03:14,640
Speaker 1: started a bull assassin my architect pleases when I was hoef.

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Speaker 1: I want to help for stuff in Jesus, I mean,

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02:03:17,080 --> 02:03:18,880
Speaker 1: it's only right that I was going to use mikes

2248
02:03:18,920 --> 02:03:20,880
Speaker 1: and the stuff that I write, it's even tougher than Dice.

2249
02:03:20,920 --> 02:03:23,360
Speaker 1: I'm taking rap into a new plateau through rap slow.

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Speaker 1: My ram is a vitamin hell without a cap, a

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Speaker 1: smooth cram on beat break. Never put me in your

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02:03:28,920 --> 02:03:35,240
Speaker 1: box at your stakes. Doubt, doubt hold, hold, but when

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02:03:35,280 --> 02:03:37,280
Speaker 1: you pay that and see, my only beef with j

2254
02:03:37,880 --> 02:03:41,839
Speaker 1: is that he puts Kingdom come too low in his estimation.

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02:03:42,240 --> 02:03:44,320
Speaker 1: I would write it if y'all could get it. But

2256
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Speaker 1: being intricate or get you would critics on the internet.

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02:03:47,760 --> 02:03:49,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, you should spit it. I'm saying you should

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02:03:49,960 --> 02:03:56,840
Speaker 1: buy it. Nigger, that's good business. Yeah, that's good. I

2259
02:03:56,920 --> 02:03:59,320
Speaker 1: agree with you. I agree. I agree with everything you said.

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Speaker 1: They're both my home boys. How about that. I mean,

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02:04:01,720 --> 02:04:07,680
Speaker 1: the next one is Trump or Biden. I'm gonna pour

2262
02:04:07,760 --> 02:04:15,440
Speaker 1: my drink on you fast. You know it's Joe big Okay, good? Yeah,

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02:04:15,480 --> 02:04:20,280
Speaker 1: he picked and we're drinking. That's books made in America

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02:04:20,440 --> 02:04:25,200
Speaker 1: or the Black presidency made in the Oh my books.

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02:04:32,520 --> 02:04:36,040
Speaker 1: They're two tall, slim black men who are geniuses, j

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Speaker 1: and and Barack Obama. But jay Z, it's such a

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Speaker 1: towering figure. I gotta again to live quality or comment.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. Oh, by Jesus, y'all be killing her

2269
02:04:50,760 --> 02:04:56,960
Speaker 1: brother started drinking because I mean, ty lib, these cats

2270
02:04:57,080 --> 02:05:00,760
Speaker 1: drink champagne, told death and pain like slaves on the ship,

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02:05:00,840 --> 02:05:05,600
Speaker 1: bragging about who got the flyers chained? I mean and

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02:05:06,040 --> 02:05:08,520
Speaker 1: and when common says to a girl. You know, I

2273
02:05:08,560 --> 02:05:11,080
Speaker 1: won't buy you a shirt, but I will match your work.

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02:05:11,320 --> 02:05:14,200
Speaker 1: I mean in terms of and then you know the

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02:05:14,400 --> 02:05:17,040
Speaker 1: genius that he's expressed since the time he was a

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Speaker 1: young boy in Chicago. Yeah, just just extraordinary people. Killer

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Speaker 1: Mike or T. I again, I know both of these figures.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I've known everybody you talked about. Damn, they're

2279
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Speaker 1: both incredible, man. I mean, Killer Mike, Run the Jewels

2280
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Speaker 1: is just amazing. T I bring them out, bring them out. Uh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're both amazing. We gotta drink. We're gonna drink. We're

2282
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Speaker 1: gonna drink. Eddie Murphy, Oh damn. Now I'm gonna say this,

2283
02:05:53,520 --> 02:06:00,280
Speaker 1: Richard Pryor prior to pun intended. Uh, Eddie Murphy. I

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Speaker 1: mean he's still maybe the stand up goat Richard. Richard

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02:06:04,000 --> 02:06:07,920
Speaker 1: Pryor right in terms of bringing the full weight of

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02:06:08,120 --> 02:06:12,960
Speaker 1: black popular culture to bear in the narratives that he spread.

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02:06:13,840 --> 02:06:18,560
Speaker 1: So in that sense, he's alone. But Eddie Murphy in

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02:06:18,840 --> 02:06:23,240
Speaker 1: terms of acting, in terms of multi you know, more

2289
02:06:23,360 --> 02:06:27,600
Speaker 1: than a billion dollars at the box office, nobody has

2290
02:06:27,640 --> 02:06:30,200
Speaker 1: been that great of a comedic actor and be able

2291
02:06:30,240 --> 02:06:32,520
Speaker 1: to do a great stand up and music. He did

2292
02:06:32,640 --> 02:06:38,920
Speaker 1: music all the time, party all the time. I mean

2293
02:06:40,760 --> 02:06:43,640
Speaker 1: I would say I might give a daddy on that. Okay,

2294
02:06:43,720 --> 02:06:45,800
Speaker 1: okay on that. You know. I'm gonna tell you why

2295
02:06:45,840 --> 02:06:48,400
Speaker 1: about Eddie. I was, I'm a little I'm forty five,

2296
02:06:48,440 --> 02:06:51,480
Speaker 1: so i'm a little um younger. I didn't really get

2297
02:06:51,520 --> 02:06:55,760
Speaker 1: to see prior right right, it was VHS or something

2298
02:06:55,840 --> 02:06:58,680
Speaker 1: like that. I remember Eddie movies coming out and me

2299
02:06:58,880 --> 02:07:02,560
Speaker 1: driving by the movie did and everyone suited and booted

2300
02:07:02,920 --> 02:07:07,320
Speaker 1: as if they're being seen. I've never seen that before

2301
02:07:07,440 --> 02:07:11,360
Speaker 1: like he did it. Man, he sexualized black comedy. Bill

2302
02:07:11,480 --> 02:07:16,800
Speaker 1: Cosby couldn't be sexualized. Well, not that we knew, man,

2303
02:07:17,400 --> 02:07:22,320
Speaker 1: we just got on the pool. They cut that. But

2304
02:07:25,160 --> 02:07:28,879
Speaker 1: I mean Dick Gregory. But Eddie Murphy brought the sexual

2305
02:07:29,040 --> 02:07:33,160
Speaker 1: ethos of black masculinity to bear. Not again. Richard Pryor

2306
02:07:33,320 --> 02:07:36,360
Speaker 1: is nonparree in terms of no comparison in terms of

2307
02:07:36,760 --> 02:07:39,000
Speaker 1: mud Bone and all the stories he told and the

2308
02:07:39,080 --> 02:07:41,320
Speaker 1: television stuff he did. But when you look at it

2309
02:07:41,440 --> 02:07:44,640
Speaker 1: all together, and then when you add acting, he wasn't

2310
02:07:44,680 --> 02:07:47,120
Speaker 1: nearly as great a comic actor as Eddie Murphy. And

2311
02:07:47,280 --> 02:07:52,200
Speaker 1: Eddie Murphy's range is astonishing and another young man coming up.

2312
02:07:52,200 --> 02:07:54,360
Speaker 1: We didn't mention him. I mean, Kevin hard to me

2313
02:07:54,880 --> 02:07:58,839
Speaker 1: has gotten so much more funny, has refined his craft.

2314
02:07:59,560 --> 02:08:03,840
Speaker 1: Is a monster on that film, and it will be

2315
02:08:04,040 --> 02:08:09,400
Speaker 1: challenging soon that title because of the comprehensive character of

2316
02:08:09,520 --> 02:08:10,960
Speaker 1: the kind of work that he does. He sat in

2317
02:08:11,040 --> 02:08:12,960
Speaker 1: the same see that you're sitting in, and we told

2318
02:08:13,040 --> 02:08:15,240
Speaker 1: him to his face, you are the closest thing to

2319
02:08:15,440 --> 02:08:18,360
Speaker 1: Eddie that we've been seeing. Like, because people are coming

2320
02:08:18,400 --> 02:08:20,320
Speaker 1: out to Kevin and there's a whole bunch of people,

2321
02:08:20,360 --> 02:08:24,880
Speaker 1: dumb people that say Kevin ain't funny. I'm not with them. Yeah, yeah,

2322
02:08:25,320 --> 02:08:31,920
Speaker 1: that's okay, o dB or Bismarkey, you you got what

2323
02:08:32,120 --> 02:08:36,960
Speaker 1: I need? What you say, He's just different. It might

2324
02:08:37,000 --> 02:08:38,880
Speaker 1: be the greatest hip hop song going Oh yeah, man,

2325
02:08:38,920 --> 02:08:43,000
Speaker 1: I mean I love me and Maria going back, Babil

2326
02:08:43,120 --> 02:08:46,400
Speaker 1: pacifying old dirt Dog. I have to get that to

2327
02:08:46,560 --> 02:08:49,280
Speaker 1: a biss market. Okay. Bismarck, Okay, that's cool. That's that's

2328
02:08:49,320 --> 02:08:51,840
Speaker 1: the person who I wanted to be like Bismarck because

2329
02:08:52,320 --> 02:08:54,400
Speaker 1: at the time Rapp was so serious and when I

2330
02:08:54,440 --> 02:08:56,600
Speaker 1: heard picking Boogers, I was like, wait a minute, Yeah,

2331
02:08:56,920 --> 02:08:58,840
Speaker 1: I want to be like that. Yeah, no, no doubt, no,

2332
02:08:59,000 --> 02:09:00,600
Speaker 1: this is like an oxymor wrong because I think we

2333
02:09:00,640 --> 02:09:02,200
Speaker 1: ask you this in a different way, but we're gonna

2334
02:09:02,200 --> 02:09:06,720
Speaker 1: actually it again. In w A or Public Enemy Oh damn,

2335
02:09:07,840 --> 02:09:11,840
Speaker 1: oh my god, I mean the I mean Public Enemy's

2336
02:09:11,880 --> 02:09:16,120
Speaker 1: influence is just it's just astonishing. I mean when you

2337
02:09:16,200 --> 02:09:23,360
Speaker 1: think about the clown and the court gesture and the

2338
02:09:23,480 --> 02:09:27,840
Speaker 1: king right in terms of right, I mean just what

2339
02:09:28,120 --> 02:09:33,720
Speaker 1: was right? Right? Yeah, exactly, I mean, I mean Terminator

2340
02:09:33,880 --> 02:09:36,080
Speaker 1: X is right in terms of that. So but n

2341
02:09:36,280 --> 02:09:39,080
Speaker 1: w A was powerful. I mean when the fter police

2342
02:09:39,160 --> 02:09:41,960
Speaker 1: came out, But then I had to explain to myself,

2343
02:09:42,000 --> 02:09:43,440
Speaker 1: a B is just to be as just, to be

2344
02:09:43,560 --> 02:09:46,800
Speaker 1: as just to be. So the parts of toxic masculinity

2345
02:09:47,080 --> 02:09:49,800
Speaker 1: that they expressed, the misogyny and the hatred of women,

2346
02:09:50,320 --> 02:09:53,680
Speaker 1: is so overwhelmingly negative. But at the same time, the

2347
02:09:53,800 --> 02:09:56,800
Speaker 1: power of their witness uh to social justice. But I'd

2348
02:09:56,800 --> 02:10:00,160
Speaker 1: have to choose p you Oh you skipped the quen

2349
02:10:00,200 --> 02:10:04,920
Speaker 1: Latif for MC light Oh damn drink because they're both

2350
02:10:05,080 --> 02:10:07,560
Speaker 1: I love them and know them both amazing, and they

2351
02:10:07,640 --> 02:10:10,840
Speaker 1: affected the genre in many ways. I mean, and to

2352
02:10:10,920 --> 02:10:13,600
Speaker 1: see both of them go on to become what they

2353
02:10:13,640 --> 02:10:17,240
Speaker 1: are I mean, you know, Queen Latifa, like who knew right,

2354
02:10:17,360 --> 02:10:21,320
Speaker 1: can sing, can act? I mean like a female Will

2355
02:10:21,440 --> 02:10:23,440
Speaker 1: Smith at that level if you will, she can fight

2356
02:10:23,520 --> 02:10:28,600
Speaker 1: to me in my mind, oh yeah, no doubt and

2357
02:10:28,800 --> 02:10:31,880
Speaker 1: mc light. I mean just in terms of the flow,

2358
02:10:32,560 --> 02:10:36,920
Speaker 1: the funky acrobatics of her rhetoric. And then now making

2359
02:10:36,960 --> 02:10:40,919
Speaker 1: a career job what is it? What is it Benjamin

2360
02:10:40,960 --> 02:10:44,920
Speaker 1: Button's when you were Oh yeah, she's she's young God

2361
02:10:45,280 --> 02:10:50,520
Speaker 1: just incredibly uh intelligent and beautiful both because I've been

2362
02:10:50,760 --> 02:10:53,600
Speaker 1: her voice is everywhere now, I mean her as as

2363
02:10:53,960 --> 02:10:56,680
Speaker 1: right doing these you know shows. I mean, she has

2364
02:10:56,840 --> 02:11:00,560
Speaker 1: invented another career in terms of announcing, in terms of

2365
02:11:00,640 --> 02:11:03,160
Speaker 1: broadcasting and stuff, and still out there. I did. I've

2366
02:11:03,200 --> 02:11:05,560
Speaker 1: done many events where where we we did a at

2367
02:11:05,600 --> 02:11:08,400
Speaker 1: Syracuse University where we had a conversation brilliant, brilliant, both

2368
02:11:08,440 --> 02:11:13,000
Speaker 1: of them, amazing beautiful eighties hip hop or nineties hip hop.

2369
02:11:15,760 --> 02:11:18,480
Speaker 1: He could go back to that. Yeah, I'm gonna have

2370
02:11:18,680 --> 02:11:22,320
Speaker 1: to rock with nineties nineties. I mean, you know, I'm

2371
02:11:22,360 --> 02:11:25,400
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna have to say, uh, back in the

2372
02:11:25,520 --> 02:11:28,160
Speaker 1: days our parents used to take care of us, Look

2373
02:11:28,240 --> 02:11:31,000
Speaker 1: at them now they're even scared of us calling the

2374
02:11:31,040 --> 02:11:34,080
Speaker 1: city for help because they can't maintain damn things done.

2375
02:11:34,640 --> 02:11:37,040
Speaker 1: If I wasn't in the rap game, I probably have

2376
02:11:37,160 --> 02:11:39,360
Speaker 1: a key knee deep in the crack game. I mean

2377
02:11:39,960 --> 02:11:43,400
Speaker 1: nineties and then Nas and Jade. I mean when Jay

2378
02:11:43,480 --> 02:11:46,040
Speaker 1: said they're having a debate about who's the three greatest

2379
02:11:46,360 --> 02:11:49,520
Speaker 1: biggie not he wasn't even he wasn't even in the

2380
02:11:49,600 --> 02:11:51,720
Speaker 1: conversation at that point, But he was in the conversation.

2381
02:11:51,960 --> 02:11:55,520
Speaker 1: That's how, that's how, that's how for making his genius. Oh,

2382
02:11:55,640 --> 02:11:57,560
Speaker 1: there ain't no doubt about he put himself in a

2383
02:11:57,640 --> 02:12:01,520
Speaker 1: category he wasn't. He knew and that's a lesson. That's

2384
02:12:01,520 --> 02:12:05,520
Speaker 1: a lesson to people. You know who you are, you assistance.

2385
02:12:05,560 --> 02:12:09,240
Speaker 1: He spoke that, He spoke that. Now you won't think

2386
02:12:09,280 --> 02:12:13,200
Speaker 1: of those three without each other because he's in a stratus.

2387
02:12:13,520 --> 02:12:18,200
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Forgot that. Yeah, you want um higher learning

2388
02:12:18,360 --> 02:12:23,040
Speaker 1: or American History X ah, Yeah, I might have to

2389
02:12:23,080 --> 02:12:25,960
Speaker 1: go higher learning. You know. American History X was beautiful

2390
02:12:26,000 --> 02:12:30,320
Speaker 1: because it exposed the gut bucket realities of white supremacy

2391
02:12:30,360 --> 02:12:33,640
Speaker 1: in this transformation. But higher learning, I mean John Singleton

2392
02:12:33,840 --> 02:12:37,280
Speaker 1: was just such a great artist, director, and I think

2393
02:12:37,280 --> 02:12:40,120
Speaker 1: you're trying to rest, right, trying to struggle with what's that?

2394
02:12:40,240 --> 02:12:42,200
Speaker 1: Plus he put Pocket in the movie. You know, wanted

2395
02:12:42,200 --> 02:12:45,200
Speaker 1: to put Pocket in the movies and it was beautiful

2396
02:12:45,280 --> 02:12:48,040
Speaker 1: and baby, you know what was that place? Big rabbing

2397
02:12:48,080 --> 02:12:52,760
Speaker 1: for who's getting jacked right now because he you know,

2398
02:12:52,960 --> 02:12:55,440
Speaker 1: sometimes people gotta mind any business. And I'm not saying

2399
02:12:55,520 --> 02:12:58,520
Speaker 1: this is to his case, but I feel like this

2400
02:12:58,680 --> 02:13:02,000
Speaker 1: is this is even though because he chalmed in on

2401
02:13:03,280 --> 02:13:05,520
Speaker 1: something that you said about black people, and when he

2402
02:13:05,680 --> 02:13:10,640
Speaker 1: chalmed in, he called yeah crackpot and oh man, I

2403
02:13:11,760 --> 02:13:13,920
Speaker 1: go it was it was almost like our people was

2404
02:13:14,000 --> 02:13:18,000
Speaker 1: like we could talk about him, not you, right, So

2405
02:13:18,360 --> 02:13:21,960
Speaker 1: they are dragging report right now. But he made that

2406
02:13:22,120 --> 02:13:26,440
Speaker 1: he made that documentary on tropical Quests quest. I mean,

2407
02:13:26,760 --> 02:13:30,040
Speaker 1: that's one of the greatest documentary. So pick him up.

2408
02:13:30,120 --> 02:13:33,880
Speaker 1: Let's see him getting dragged to the meeting. Yeah, to

2409
02:13:33,920 --> 02:13:36,120
Speaker 1: get him on drink. I think should do the podcast,

2410
02:13:37,240 --> 02:13:44,240
Speaker 1: podcasts or radio. Who I mean, podcasts are where it's

2411
02:13:44,280 --> 02:13:46,600
Speaker 1: at right now. But I'm old school too. I love

2412
02:13:46,640 --> 02:13:48,320
Speaker 1: to go just listen to that day I'm radio and

2413
02:13:48,360 --> 02:13:50,680
Speaker 1: here's some music I've never heard before. The podcast, But

2414
02:13:51,160 --> 02:13:56,880
Speaker 1: drink Champs in particular, this is this, this is this

2415
02:13:57,040 --> 02:13:59,200
Speaker 1: is the same question. Let's out right, But I want

2416
02:13:59,240 --> 02:14:04,120
Speaker 1: to know if you met either, because the stories Michael

2417
02:14:04,200 --> 02:14:08,640
Speaker 1: Jackson or Prince I met him both. Let me tell

2418
02:14:08,640 --> 02:14:12,640
Speaker 1: you what. Here's Michael Jackson. We're in the bathroom at

2419
02:14:12,720 --> 02:14:16,760
Speaker 1: Johnny Cochran's funeral. That already sounds crazy, already sounds like

2420
02:14:16,800 --> 02:14:19,680
Speaker 1: a crazy set up. We're in the bathroom and Michael

2421
02:14:19,880 --> 02:14:23,240
Speaker 1: in the church at West Angeles Church of God in

2422
02:14:23,320 --> 02:14:27,720
Speaker 1: Christ passed by the great UH Bishop Charles Blake now

2423
02:14:27,880 --> 02:14:31,920
Speaker 1: his son co pastor, and we're in the bathroom during

2424
02:14:32,080 --> 02:14:35,240
Speaker 1: you know, ol J is in the in the funeral too.

2425
02:14:36,560 --> 02:14:40,360
Speaker 1: I got hope. I was hoping that Nero didn't recognize

2426
02:14:41,480 --> 02:14:44,840
Speaker 1: we're in the bathroom. Michael Jackson is washing his hands

2427
02:14:45,320 --> 02:14:47,400
Speaker 1: and he turns them and he says, did you have

2428
02:14:47,480 --> 02:14:55,200
Speaker 1: gloves on? When he goes, I like how you talk

2429
02:14:55,280 --> 02:15:00,320
Speaker 1: on TV? I said what I said, I like how

2430
02:15:00,400 --> 02:15:08,680
Speaker 1: you saying single on stage? All right now with Prince,

2431
02:15:09,200 --> 02:15:13,400
Speaker 1: Prince invited me along with a couple others to his

2432
02:15:13,720 --> 02:15:18,040
Speaker 1: UH to his palatial mansion of what do you call it?

2433
02:15:18,120 --> 02:15:22,040
Speaker 1: The in UH Minneapolis and Lake Minetauqua. Yeah, right, to

2434
02:15:22,200 --> 02:15:24,560
Speaker 1: the what's the purple palet? I mean, not the purple palete?

2435
02:15:24,680 --> 02:15:26,280
Speaker 1: My why am I blocking? This is a senior moment.

2436
02:15:26,560 --> 02:15:28,880
Speaker 1: The famous place he has there in Minnesota will come

2437
02:15:28,960 --> 02:15:31,480
Speaker 1: to it. What did they call it? Yeah, please google

2438
02:15:31,520 --> 02:15:33,160
Speaker 1: that because I don't want to look like a complete fool.

2439
02:15:34,000 --> 02:15:39,440
Speaker 1: Thank you man. And so he invites us and we

2440
02:15:39,600 --> 02:15:43,320
Speaker 1: haven't Paisley Park. Yeah, so he has Uh is that

2441
02:15:43,360 --> 02:15:45,520
Speaker 1: what it's called? The one where where we went? Okay,

2442
02:15:45,800 --> 02:15:48,760
Speaker 1: so he we're having a little He invites me because

2443
02:15:48,800 --> 02:15:51,000
Speaker 1: he sees me on TV. Thinks I'm smart talking stuff.

2444
02:15:51,360 --> 02:15:54,080
Speaker 1: He says, but he says, you, you know, you defend

2445
02:15:54,200 --> 02:15:57,800
Speaker 1: gay people. I said, yeah, I mean, but you're a preacher.

2446
02:15:57,920 --> 02:16:01,760
Speaker 1: Now he had just got converted, remember being uh some

2447
02:16:02,000 --> 02:16:04,880
Speaker 1: no not some day uh when Michael Jackson with Michael

2448
02:16:04,920 --> 02:16:07,760
Speaker 1: Jesson left and he went in not something. Jehovah's witness

2449
02:16:07,880 --> 02:16:11,680
Speaker 1: was Jehovah's witness. And I'm thinking, Prince, you've been a

2450
02:16:11,800 --> 02:16:15,360
Speaker 1: patron saint for androgeny and to myself. I didn't say

2451
02:16:15,400 --> 02:16:17,440
Speaker 1: this him, but moving forward, but what I did say

2452
02:16:17,480 --> 02:16:21,440
Speaker 1: to him is that, yeah, because I believe God loves everybody,

2453
02:16:21,440 --> 02:16:24,400
Speaker 1: either God created everybody a God ain't created nobody, sir, so,

2454
02:16:24,640 --> 02:16:26,880
Speaker 1: I I definitely believe. So we had a little argument

2455
02:16:26,960 --> 02:16:31,520
Speaker 1: there and then uh, I said, are you telling me

2456
02:16:32,320 --> 02:16:35,840
Speaker 1: that all the music you had before you were converted

2457
02:16:36,320 --> 02:16:38,800
Speaker 1: is the devil's music? And he basically said yes. I said,

2458
02:16:38,840 --> 02:16:41,640
Speaker 1: I disagree with that. I said, when you made Signs

2459
02:16:41,680 --> 02:16:44,920
Speaker 1: of the Times, I said, that's God speaking to you, sir, so,

2460
02:16:45,280 --> 02:16:48,480
Speaker 1: I disagree. But then out in an event with Tavis

2461
02:16:48,560 --> 02:16:52,279
Speaker 1: Smiley out in l a, uh, Princess playing on stage

2462
02:16:52,320 --> 02:16:56,880
Speaker 1: and he says, I know Mr Dyson can talk, but

2463
02:16:57,000 --> 02:17:02,160
Speaker 1: any dance, I said, son Son Son, So me and

2464
02:17:02,640 --> 02:17:05,320
Speaker 1: Centric Entertainer got on stage and started a little dance party.

2465
02:17:05,680 --> 02:17:08,240
Speaker 1: Everybody else joined it. So yeah, my Prince and uh

2466
02:17:08,720 --> 02:17:12,240
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson stories there and then Princeton to have his assts.

2467
02:17:14,280 --> 02:17:18,440
Speaker 1: No no, no, no chapters revealing the as tronomical side.

2468
02:17:18,520 --> 02:17:21,280
Speaker 1: No no, no, no. At least Prince was gangster what

2469
02:17:21,480 --> 02:17:24,640
Speaker 1: his ass out playing basketball in them high heills. I

2470
02:17:24,680 --> 02:17:27,960
Speaker 1: mean Prince was was was cold bloody, no doubt about that.

2471
02:17:28,560 --> 02:17:31,720
Speaker 1: I haven't met either one, just like Martin Luther King

2472
02:17:31,760 --> 02:17:34,960
Speaker 1: on Malcolm X, I love them both, and Martin Luther

2473
02:17:35,040 --> 02:17:37,200
Speaker 1: King Junior for me, and the reason, I'll tell you,

2474
02:17:37,720 --> 02:17:42,040
Speaker 1: Malcolm X changed the psychology of black people in such

2475
02:17:42,080 --> 02:17:45,000
Speaker 1: a fundamental way. He would have been so tonic and

2476
02:17:45,120 --> 02:17:51,280
Speaker 1: helpful to Kanye West, teaching him about the complicity he

2477
02:17:51,640 --> 02:17:56,080
Speaker 1: exhibits with the white supremacy that he's been seduced by.

2478
02:17:56,200 --> 02:18:01,039
Speaker 1: All Right, but Martin Luther King Jr. Changed the world

2479
02:18:01,160 --> 02:18:05,840
Speaker 1: for black people. He changed the law. Malcolm X changed

2480
02:18:05,920 --> 02:18:10,640
Speaker 1: the mindset of some ching changed to the law. When

2481
02:18:10,680 --> 02:18:13,840
Speaker 1: I say King, I mean, uh, you know, Ella Baker,

2482
02:18:14,520 --> 02:18:16,960
Speaker 1: I mean Septum mclark, I mean all the black women

2483
02:18:17,000 --> 02:18:18,800
Speaker 1: and others who work with him. But he has the

2484
02:18:19,000 --> 02:18:24,440
Speaker 1: symbol the nineteen sixty four Civil Rights Bill, the nineteen

2485
02:18:24,520 --> 02:18:28,360
Speaker 1: sixty Voting Rights Act, and in the wake of his death,

2486
02:18:28,440 --> 02:18:32,880
Speaker 1: the nineteen Fair Housing Act. That's the holy trinity of

2487
02:18:33,400 --> 02:18:36,600
Speaker 1: social justice. And then when I was nine years old,

2488
02:18:36,640 --> 02:18:39,840
Speaker 1: he was murdered. I'd never heard of him, and I'm

2489
02:18:39,879 --> 02:18:42,680
Speaker 1: looking at television. I'm sitting there, my father's in his

2490
02:18:42,760 --> 02:18:44,600
Speaker 1: favorite seat behind me. We're in the hood and the

2491
02:18:44,640 --> 02:18:48,840
Speaker 1: ghetto in Detroit. And the newsman broke faith with the

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02:18:48,920 --> 02:18:53,039
Speaker 1: original program and said, tonight at six o one local time,

2493
02:18:53,080 --> 02:18:55,240
Speaker 1: martinster King Jr. Was shot. I don't think they announced

2494
02:18:55,240 --> 02:18:58,800
Speaker 1: he was dead. And then he was standing there. Uh,

2495
02:18:59,600 --> 02:19:03,199
Speaker 1: We've got some difficult days ahead, but I'm not concerned

2496
02:19:03,240 --> 02:19:06,280
Speaker 1: about that now. I just want to do Guard's will.

2497
02:19:07,240 --> 02:19:09,440
Speaker 1: And he's allowed me to go up to the mountain,

2498
02:19:10,040 --> 02:19:14,440
Speaker 1: and I've looked over and I've seen the promised Land.

2499
02:19:15,200 --> 02:19:17,600
Speaker 1: I may not get there with you, but i want

2500
02:19:17,640 --> 02:19:21,040
Speaker 1: you to know tonight that we as a people will

2501
02:19:21,120 --> 02:19:23,720
Speaker 1: get to the Promised Land. And so I'm not worried

2502
02:19:23,760 --> 02:19:27,040
Speaker 1: about anything. I'm not fearing any man mine eyes. And

2503
02:19:27,120 --> 02:19:30,440
Speaker 1: then he turned around and fell into the arms of

2504
02:19:30,600 --> 02:19:34,880
Speaker 1: Ralph Abernathy and Jesse Jackson for the last words and

2505
02:19:34,959 --> 02:19:38,560
Speaker 1: the public declaration that he uttered on this earth before

2506
02:19:38,879 --> 02:19:43,720
Speaker 1: a bullet sent across a parking lot of a motel

2507
02:19:44,320 --> 02:19:48,960
Speaker 1: found its unerring target in the skull and flesh of

2508
02:19:49,080 --> 02:19:51,840
Speaker 1: Martin Luther King Jr. At thirty nine years old, clipped

2509
02:19:51,959 --> 02:19:56,680
Speaker 1: his tie, pulled open his jaw, and his feet were

2510
02:19:56,840 --> 02:20:00,920
Speaker 1: bicycling as if he were on a vice go. And

2511
02:20:01,040 --> 02:20:08,240
Speaker 1: the greatest we've ever produced died that day. Gobs Bruce

2512
02:20:08,360 --> 02:20:15,120
Speaker 1: Lee or Chuck Norris, Oh, Bruce Lee, Yes, Donald Trump Jr.

2513
02:20:16,879 --> 02:20:22,640
Speaker 1: Donald Trump Norris is Oh my good, Chuck Hill, and

2514
02:20:22,720 --> 02:20:25,840
Speaker 1: I'll be watching them retreads of the seventies mill. Chuck

2515
02:20:25,920 --> 02:20:30,000
Speaker 1: Norris is a right winger. Bro. It also wasn't need

2516
02:20:30,080 --> 02:20:33,240
Speaker 1: Bruce Lee student to start with. I mean he was, right, Chuck.

2517
02:20:33,320 --> 02:20:35,520
Speaker 1: I mean, Bruce Lee is the man. I mean, Kareem

2518
02:20:35,560 --> 02:20:37,360
Speaker 1: ab dude Jabbar was even checking out with him and

2519
02:20:37,440 --> 02:20:41,200
Speaker 1: Jim Kelly with water flow like water Oh yeah, right,

2520
02:20:41,280 --> 02:20:43,840
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, Chuck Norris. Can't you know, handle his

2521
02:20:43,920 --> 02:20:53,080
Speaker 1: new Chucks? Okay, most of death or Black Thought. Oh damn, drink, Bro, drink,

2522
02:20:53,120 --> 02:20:56,680
Speaker 1: I can't. I mean, both of them geniuses speaches my

2523
02:20:56,800 --> 02:20:58,560
Speaker 1: hammer banged the world in the shape and now let

2524
02:20:58,640 --> 02:21:02,320
Speaker 1: it fall. All the black thoughts said, slice him like

2525
02:21:02,400 --> 02:21:05,080
Speaker 1: a vic um like Michael Eric Dyson. Okay, I just

2526
02:21:05,320 --> 02:21:08,400
Speaker 1: I gotta show him love. I gotta show him. Look, therefore,

2527
02:21:08,400 --> 02:21:12,080
Speaker 1: I better say black call. I gotta give Black Thought

2528
02:21:12,160 --> 02:21:15,240
Speaker 1: to Nod because he gave me so much love. And

2529
02:21:15,600 --> 02:21:17,760
Speaker 1: but both of the her geniuses. I mean, when you

2530
02:21:17,920 --> 02:21:23,520
Speaker 1: have Lynn Manuel Miranda texting you saying, did you see

2531
02:21:23,959 --> 02:21:27,080
Speaker 1: the friend? What the the funk? Flash? I mean the

2532
02:21:29,800 --> 02:21:33,360
Speaker 1: oh my god, he was like, Bro, He's already knew

2533
02:21:33,360 --> 02:21:37,120
Speaker 1: he was top ten. But my god, so yeah, yeah, yeah,

2534
02:21:37,160 --> 02:21:40,440
Speaker 1: Black Thoughts body of work is so powerful and so dance.

2535
02:21:40,480 --> 02:21:43,199
Speaker 1: I mean both of them. Her genius is. But Black

2536
02:21:43,240 --> 02:21:49,000
Speaker 1: Thoughts extraordinary output even into his fifties. It's quite remarkable.

2537
02:21:49,360 --> 02:21:53,680
Speaker 1: Dave Chappelle or Chris Rock drink up, bro drink up.

2538
02:21:54,320 --> 02:21:57,280
Speaker 1: But both of them again, I mean Chris Rock in

2539
02:21:57,400 --> 02:22:02,120
Speaker 1: between after Eddie, Chris Rock had the crown, I mean

2540
02:22:02,160 --> 02:22:04,720
Speaker 1: as a stand up right and and getting into acting

2541
02:22:04,760 --> 02:22:06,800
Speaker 1: as well, Top five and others that he did extraordinarily

2542
02:22:06,879 --> 02:22:09,360
Speaker 1: well stand up. Whatever he do, it is gonna be Oh.

2543
02:22:09,879 --> 02:22:11,480
Speaker 1: I mean he's doing around, going to country now. I

2544
02:22:11,560 --> 02:22:15,080
Speaker 1: just want to see him, right, you're right, you're right.

2545
02:22:15,520 --> 02:22:19,040
Speaker 1: So his genius, I mean, he's more political in that sense.

2546
02:22:19,080 --> 02:22:22,320
Speaker 1: He's more traced to you know, some of the white

2547
02:22:22,400 --> 02:22:24,520
Speaker 1: you know, Mort Saul and some of the white comedians

2548
02:22:24,520 --> 02:22:28,879
Speaker 1: who were explicitly political than to Richard Pryor. Richard Pryor

2549
02:22:29,040 --> 02:22:31,840
Speaker 1: was cultural in a way that had political consequence when

2550
02:22:31,879 --> 02:22:34,600
Speaker 1: he was he wasn't explicitly political in the way that

2551
02:22:34,760 --> 02:22:37,680
Speaker 1: Chris Rock is. So Chris Rock would be the greatest

2552
02:22:37,720 --> 02:22:40,720
Speaker 1: political comedian in that sense within our genre. And then

2553
02:22:40,840 --> 02:22:44,800
Speaker 1: Dave Chappelle as you know, taking up and combining the

2554
02:22:44,879 --> 02:22:48,440
Speaker 1: kind of cultural apparatus of a of a of a

2555
02:22:48,800 --> 02:22:52,720
Speaker 1: Richard Pryor and then being able to improvise. Right, Chris

2556
02:22:52,920 --> 02:22:57,320
Speaker 1: Rock is hip hop. Dave Chappelle is jazz, you know,

2557
02:22:57,560 --> 02:23:01,480
Speaker 1: just telling the story. He's just aking to you, and

2558
02:23:01,600 --> 02:23:04,400
Speaker 1: Chris Rock is hitting you with the rapid fire you know,

2559
02:23:04,560 --> 02:23:08,959
Speaker 1: insight from there. So they're both extraordinary geniuses. Okay, Jesse

2560
02:23:09,160 --> 02:23:14,160
Speaker 1: Jackson or Al Sharpton, Yeah, drink up, bro, But you

2561
02:23:14,240 --> 02:23:17,000
Speaker 1: know they're both friends of mine, and they're both amazing.

2562
02:23:17,040 --> 02:23:22,760
Speaker 1: I mean Jesse Jackson. I put Jesse Jackson number one,

2563
02:23:22,840 --> 02:23:28,200
Speaker 1: Martin to King Jr. Number two, Frederick Douglas number three,

2564
02:23:28,280 --> 02:23:32,520
Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson. Well, between Jesse and Harry Tubman, they can

2565
02:23:32,560 --> 02:23:35,560
Speaker 1: flip either one. But I'm gonna tell you how Jesse

2566
02:23:35,800 --> 02:23:39,720
Speaker 1: Jackson has never been given his due, and not until

2567
02:23:39,760 --> 02:23:43,000
Speaker 1: he's dead for a few years will people understand what

2568
02:23:43,080 --> 02:23:45,360
Speaker 1: he did. He took the time from Martin US King Jr.

2569
02:23:45,360 --> 02:23:47,920
Speaker 1: Who was thirty nine, Jesse was twenty six. He's not

2570
02:23:48,080 --> 02:23:52,480
Speaker 1: what eight e three, somewhere around eighty four almost, uh

2571
02:23:52,800 --> 02:23:55,600
Speaker 1: maybe eighty two eighty three, and they just had a birthday.

2572
02:23:55,920 --> 02:23:59,520
Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson carried us from Martin Luther King Jr's death

2573
02:24:00,640 --> 02:24:04,720
Speaker 1: right until Al Sharpton Essentially right takes that of that

2574
02:24:04,840 --> 02:24:09,040
Speaker 1: particular variety of leadership. So Jesse canceled Muhammad Ali. Jesse

2575
02:24:09,200 --> 02:24:11,920
Speaker 1: Jackson was biased. I mean all of that, from from

2576
02:24:12,040 --> 02:24:15,640
Speaker 1: nineteen eight King's death to the backlash against the Fern

2577
02:24:15,680 --> 02:24:18,360
Speaker 1: of Action the nineteen seventies. Jesse Jackson, I'm gonna tell

2578
02:24:18,360 --> 02:24:22,920
Speaker 1: your story. I was writing Jesse Jackson's just Just Anyone.

2579
02:24:23,280 --> 02:24:27,440
Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson was I was writing his book nineteen nine.

2580
02:24:28,080 --> 02:24:30,600
Speaker 1: I was writing his Uh, I've never written a book before,

2581
02:24:30,640 --> 02:24:33,560
Speaker 1: but he hired me. I was, yeah, I was gonna

2582
02:24:33,720 --> 02:24:35,360
Speaker 1: ghost right. I might even had my name on the

2583
02:24:35,440 --> 02:24:40,760
Speaker 1: cover his book. And we were going we had gone

2584
02:24:40,800 --> 02:24:43,800
Speaker 1: to see Mandela in London. We were there were at

2585
02:24:43,840 --> 02:24:50,640
Speaker 1: a table Anita Baker parents, Trent Darby, Patty LaBelle, and

2586
02:24:51,600 --> 02:24:55,560
Speaker 1: Tracy Chapman, and it's like ninety one and pet Bell

2587
02:24:55,600 --> 02:24:57,680
Speaker 1: said I could listen to you talk all day. I

2588
02:24:57,800 --> 02:25:01,960
Speaker 1: was like, thank you. If only you knew. So. So

2589
02:25:02,920 --> 02:25:06,080
Speaker 1: I'm with Jesse Jackson in the car once and he's

2590
02:25:06,120 --> 02:25:08,200
Speaker 1: going He's I said, where are you going? Rev? Because

2591
02:25:08,200 --> 02:25:10,440
Speaker 1: I'm still writing something. The interviewing, and he said, I'm

2592
02:25:10,480 --> 02:25:12,800
Speaker 1: going to Harvard. I said, what are you doing to Harvard?

2593
02:25:13,000 --> 02:25:15,200
Speaker 1: He said, I'm about to have a debate. I said,

2594
02:25:15,240 --> 02:25:18,160
Speaker 1: who are you debating? He said, it really don't matter. Damn.

2595
02:25:18,200 --> 02:25:20,600
Speaker 1: I mean, like bro, like, I don't it don't I

2596
02:25:20,800 --> 02:25:23,680
Speaker 1: don't care. I'm gonna be in this battle and I'm

2597
02:25:23,720 --> 02:25:27,160
Speaker 1: gonna whip that ass right. That's how great he was

2598
02:25:27,560 --> 02:25:31,960
Speaker 1: and is. Al Sharpton is the grost remarkable leader we

2599
02:25:32,160 --> 02:25:35,840
Speaker 1: have in present day, and a man who's transformation has

2600
02:25:35,879 --> 02:25:40,560
Speaker 1: been astonishing from being seen as an outsider limited in

2601
02:25:41,360 --> 02:25:45,440
Speaker 1: uh in the minds of many of his greatness and

2602
02:25:45,720 --> 02:25:48,280
Speaker 1: invented himself. He he became half the man he was

2603
02:25:48,640 --> 02:25:54,920
Speaker 1: like literally and then metaphorically, he transformed himself into a

2604
02:25:55,080 --> 02:25:59,360
Speaker 1: leader that Barack Obama saw as the premier black leader

2605
02:25:59,400 --> 02:26:02,720
Speaker 1: in America. And Sharpton had to do something no other

2606
02:26:02,760 --> 02:26:05,840
Speaker 1: black leaders had to do, deal with the black president

2607
02:26:06,320 --> 02:26:10,000
Speaker 1: as the power that be and hold him to account

2608
02:26:10,400 --> 02:26:12,800
Speaker 1: and at the tame same time show him love. That

2609
02:26:13,080 --> 02:26:16,440
Speaker 1: was an extremely difficult thing in Al Sharpton as the leader,

2610
02:26:16,720 --> 02:26:21,039
Speaker 1: but as an articulate spokesman, as a person who shows

2611
02:26:21,160 --> 02:26:24,720
Speaker 1: up to give visibility to the most serious issue we

2612
02:26:24,840 --> 02:26:28,000
Speaker 1: have in America today for black people, which is police

2613
02:26:28,040 --> 02:26:31,400
Speaker 1: brutality in the murder of our people. And Al Sharpton

2614
02:26:31,560 --> 02:26:33,360
Speaker 1: was doing that. I was arrested with Al Sharpton in

2615
02:26:33,440 --> 02:26:38,120
Speaker 1: the late nineties. Al Sharpton was onto police brutality when

2616
02:26:38,160 --> 02:26:40,640
Speaker 1: he was a bigger version of himself and in those

2617
02:26:40,879 --> 02:26:43,680
Speaker 1: running suits and black people were looking down at him. Uh,

2618
02:26:43,800 --> 02:26:46,720
Speaker 1: that's he dealing with what thugs. He's dealing with criminals.

2619
02:26:46,760 --> 02:26:49,280
Speaker 1: He's always dealing with the police until their kids started dying.

2620
02:26:49,720 --> 02:26:52,320
Speaker 1: And now he became an American hero. So both of

2621
02:26:52,400 --> 02:26:55,400
Speaker 1: them incredible geniuses. I can't lie to you. I've had

2622
02:26:55,640 --> 02:27:00,200
Speaker 1: dinner in Crustaceans in l a and they they said,

2623
02:27:00,280 --> 02:27:03,080
Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson is over there. It was the only person

2624
02:27:03,200 --> 02:27:05,640
Speaker 1: like slash celebrity that I was scared to say I to.

2625
02:27:06,120 --> 02:27:08,160
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, how then do you

2626
02:27:08,200 --> 02:27:12,200
Speaker 1: go say how to Jack Jackson? I'm just like, my

2627
02:27:12,320 --> 02:27:15,960
Speaker 1: name is yeah, how do I woke O? YEA, yeah.

2628
02:27:15,959 --> 02:27:20,640
Speaker 1: I was so scared though I was alive. Al Shopton,

2629
02:27:20,720 --> 02:27:23,280
Speaker 1: so let me say say that about Jesse and of

2630
02:27:23,400 --> 02:27:26,360
Speaker 1: course all the beautiful things him showing up. But you know,

2631
02:27:26,480 --> 02:27:30,640
Speaker 1: me being from New York and me, you know, getting

2632
02:27:30,680 --> 02:27:34,960
Speaker 1: to see any type of type of crime, bad things

2633
02:27:35,000 --> 02:27:37,520
Speaker 1: that happened. Al Shopton will always have Remember when I

2634
02:27:37,640 --> 02:27:39,760
Speaker 1: first got like a little bit famous. It's a little

2635
02:27:39,760 --> 02:27:42,800
Speaker 1: bit and I would see certain things that that would

2636
02:27:42,800 --> 02:27:46,920
Speaker 1: be my goal to thing. I'm calling out Shopton and

2637
02:27:47,160 --> 02:27:52,840
Speaker 1: people would sho, what do we do wrong? Oh? Like, yeah,

2638
02:27:55,160 --> 02:27:56,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever met me, know the

2639
02:27:56,560 --> 02:28:01,320
Speaker 1: hell I am. I weaponized your name Bottles, I don't

2640
02:28:01,360 --> 02:28:05,440
Speaker 1: know about Oh you lumped definitely will say that. What

2641
02:28:05,560 --> 02:28:09,360
Speaker 1: would you say? Yeah, I just looked like I knew

2642
02:28:09,400 --> 02:28:12,760
Speaker 1: I'll Sharpton and Al Sharpton comes out of that tree.

2643
02:28:12,879 --> 02:28:16,120
Speaker 1: Al Sharpton is the greatest from jaxponent of Jesse Jackson

2644
02:28:16,760 --> 02:28:19,520
Speaker 1: way of thought and way of approach and Jesse from

2645
02:28:19,879 --> 02:28:23,000
Speaker 1: from King. So that's a hell of a triumvirant. Okay,

2646
02:28:23,040 --> 02:28:26,720
Speaker 1: hold on, God, When the next one, Tyson or Ali,

2647
02:28:29,200 --> 02:28:31,640
Speaker 1: I'd have to say, Muhammad Ali. I love Mike Tyson too,

2648
02:28:31,720 --> 02:28:34,360
Speaker 1: though just in terms of fisticals. But Ali was so

2649
02:28:34,640 --> 02:28:37,920
Speaker 1: huge in terms of what he meant in terms of

2650
02:28:38,120 --> 02:28:42,680
Speaker 1: off stage, off the canvas, outside the boxing ring, I'll

2651
02:28:42,720 --> 02:28:44,560
Speaker 1: give you a Muhammad Ali story if you want to

2652
02:28:44,600 --> 02:28:48,560
Speaker 1: hear it. So again, I was one of eight scholars

2653
02:28:48,600 --> 02:28:51,520
Speaker 1: who was invited to give papers on Muhammad Ali. So

2654
02:28:51,600 --> 02:28:53,840
Speaker 1: I talked about his rhetoric and his daughter was rapping then,

2655
02:28:54,280 --> 02:28:57,080
Speaker 1: so I talked about the relationship between his dog girl.

2656
02:28:57,560 --> 02:29:00,400
Speaker 1: You know lights, you know, but what is it? Light?

2657
02:29:00,480 --> 02:29:03,400
Speaker 1: Is a butterfly stinging like a b you know, and

2658
02:29:04,440 --> 02:29:06,160
Speaker 1: float like a butterfly's thing like a b. And I

2659
02:29:06,280 --> 02:29:09,840
Speaker 1: was talking about doggerel poetry in his relationship to hip hop.

2660
02:29:10,560 --> 02:29:12,560
Speaker 1: So anyway, so I got a chance to hang out

2661
02:29:12,560 --> 02:29:14,520
Speaker 1: with him, asked him questions. I said, you were wrong

2662
02:29:14,520 --> 02:29:16,600
Speaker 1: about Malcolm X, weren't you. He said, yes, I was

2663
02:29:16,800 --> 02:29:22,240
Speaker 1: because remember he split with Malcolm with the minister Mohammed Uh.

2664
02:29:22,720 --> 02:29:24,640
Speaker 1: And he showed me pictures of him and him and

2665
02:29:24,800 --> 02:29:28,480
Speaker 1: uh Elvis Presley had two pretty two pretty man that

2666
02:29:28,640 --> 02:29:32,760
Speaker 1: kind of thing. Then about a year later, we see

2667
02:29:32,840 --> 02:29:36,040
Speaker 1: him coming through the airport and I, you know, I

2668
02:29:36,160 --> 02:29:39,120
Speaker 1: tell my wife, he'll he'll never remember me, you know,

2669
02:29:39,240 --> 02:29:41,520
Speaker 1: It's just it was just a magical day. So we

2670
02:29:41,600 --> 02:29:43,200
Speaker 1: get closer and I go up to him. I said,

2671
02:29:43,320 --> 02:29:46,200
Speaker 1: Mr Alie, I said, you know my name is Michael

2672
02:29:46,360 --> 02:29:49,280
Speaker 1: Eric Dyson. And before I can finish, he leaned over.

2673
02:29:49,320 --> 02:29:55,039
Speaker 1: He said, you that nigga that can talk. I said,

2674
02:29:55,040 --> 02:29:58,840
Speaker 1: I wear that with prize. I'm that nigga that can talk, Yes, sir.

2675
02:29:59,480 --> 02:30:04,320
Speaker 1: But he was amazing, amazing, transformative figure. Tyson was a

2676
02:30:04,360 --> 02:30:07,320
Speaker 1: bad boy too. I mean Tyson was equally important in

2677
02:30:07,440 --> 02:30:10,760
Speaker 1: terms of the culture, uh, in terms of style, in

2678
02:30:10,920 --> 02:30:14,480
Speaker 1: terms of his presence, his complications, his changes and what

2679
02:30:14,600 --> 02:30:17,280
Speaker 1: he's become right now. It's pretty remarkable. See. I always

2680
02:30:17,480 --> 02:30:22,560
Speaker 1: picked Tyson over Ali. People chastise me for this. I

2681
02:30:22,640 --> 02:30:25,680
Speaker 1: picked Floyd over Ali. Right. I got to see as

2682
02:30:25,680 --> 02:30:27,680
Speaker 1: a fighter, I got yeah, yeah, yeah, I got to

2683
02:30:27,720 --> 02:30:31,040
Speaker 1: fight the Floyd fights. Yeah, Floyd was most fights. I

2684
02:30:31,120 --> 02:30:33,840
Speaker 1: got to see what was on re run and when

2685
02:30:33,879 --> 02:30:36,160
Speaker 1: my father watched it. My father will always tell me

2686
02:30:36,240 --> 02:30:40,879
Speaker 1: what happened before watch watch the left. When why are

2687
02:30:40,920 --> 02:30:43,440
Speaker 1: you telling me, like I'm sitting here trying to learn that.

2688
02:30:43,600 --> 02:30:46,760
Speaker 1: He he would always do that. So that's the reason. Yeah.

2689
02:30:46,800 --> 02:30:49,080
Speaker 1: But I mean, Floyd there is a fighter just on

2690
02:30:49,200 --> 02:30:51,640
Speaker 1: the fight game. Be hard to say. He was the

2691
02:30:51,680 --> 02:30:54,560
Speaker 1: greatest man, the defensive fighter. I sat down with him

2692
02:30:54,560 --> 02:30:56,840
Speaker 1: into the HBO, specially when we talked about is fighting

2693
02:30:56,879 --> 02:31:00,320
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, yeah, I love Floyd master Po bird it. Man,

2694
02:31:01,879 --> 02:31:04,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to go Masterp. I don't know no plane.

2695
02:31:04,800 --> 02:31:07,000
Speaker 1: I don't know no dope. I don't ship no dope

2696
02:31:07,000 --> 02:31:09,960
Speaker 1: from coast to cope. You know. Come on, man, I

2697
02:31:10,040 --> 02:31:12,200
Speaker 1: don't know no plane. I don't know no boat. I

2698
02:31:12,280 --> 02:31:15,200
Speaker 1: don't ship no dope from coast to coast. Come on.

2699
02:31:17,160 --> 02:31:21,640
Speaker 1: He made grunting in the bathroom and National Time, and

2700
02:31:21,720 --> 02:31:26,279
Speaker 1: he's a He's a wonderful, sublime human being. Nipsy Hustle

2701
02:31:26,400 --> 02:31:30,720
Speaker 1: or easy Nipsey. I gotta go Nepsy. We are easy.

2702
02:31:30,879 --> 02:31:33,640
Speaker 1: I mean I loved Easy, but Nipsey Hustle. Let me

2703
02:31:33,760 --> 02:31:36,200
Speaker 1: give me my Nipsey Hustle story, if you know. So.

2704
02:31:37,640 --> 02:31:40,120
Speaker 1: I'm getting on a plane from l A to New

2705
02:31:40,240 --> 02:31:44,520
Speaker 1: York and I'm getting into my seat. Walter Mosley, the

2706
02:31:44,560 --> 02:31:47,400
Speaker 1: great writers on the right, Van Jones on the left.

2707
02:31:48,120 --> 02:31:50,920
Speaker 1: I'm on this plane and this young man gets in

2708
02:31:51,040 --> 02:31:56,000
Speaker 1: and he says, uh, excuse me, are you Michael Eric Dyson.

2709
02:31:56,360 --> 02:31:59,840
Speaker 1: I said, yes, sir, I am. He said, wow, I

2710
02:32:00,040 --> 02:32:03,520
Speaker 1: read your books. I said, are you Nipsey Hustle? Look,

2711
02:32:04,200 --> 02:32:05,840
Speaker 1: he said, yes, I am. I said, and I pulled

2712
02:32:05,920 --> 02:32:09,480
Speaker 1: up my my iPhone and I had his latest Marathon

2713
02:32:09,640 --> 02:32:12,120
Speaker 1: playing right here. He was like, oh my god, I said, Oh,

2714
02:32:12,160 --> 02:32:15,320
Speaker 1: I ain't talking to dog I live in And so

2715
02:32:15,480 --> 02:32:17,360
Speaker 1: for three and a half four four hours, four and

2716
02:32:17,360 --> 02:32:21,520
Speaker 1: a half hours we had a NonStop conversation, mostly led

2717
02:32:21,800 --> 02:32:26,080
Speaker 1: by the way by Nipsey Hustle, his intelligence, his curiosity.

2718
02:32:26,360 --> 02:32:29,480
Speaker 1: He's wanting to know things. You're ready to pick my brain,

2719
02:32:29,840 --> 02:32:33,920
Speaker 1: asked me. Certain things respond to certain things. A remarkable,

2720
02:32:34,000 --> 02:32:37,840
Speaker 1: remarkable human being. Rest in piece of the ball. Yeah,

2721
02:32:37,959 --> 02:32:44,280
Speaker 1: rest in peace to the boy damn you know him?

2722
02:32:44,320 --> 02:32:51,680
Speaker 1: Both do yeah, drink up? So Pharrell, Look, they're both geniuses,

2723
02:32:51,760 --> 02:32:54,360
Speaker 1: let's be real. Pharrell changed the sonic landscape in his

2724
02:32:54,440 --> 02:32:58,880
Speaker 1: own right too. Kanye and a performer with Chad you

2725
02:32:59,040 --> 02:33:03,960
Speaker 1: go in with the Neptunes, so irremarkable what Kanye did

2726
02:33:04,440 --> 02:33:07,840
Speaker 1: as a rapper, right, maybe arguably before Kanye, it was

2727
02:33:08,920 --> 02:33:11,160
Speaker 1: say Dr Dre in terms of can rap and control

2728
02:33:11,240 --> 02:33:14,240
Speaker 1: the maestro? You know, you know, because people look, look

2729
02:33:14,320 --> 02:33:16,440
Speaker 1: Drey has skills on that microphone. I mean it just

2730
02:33:17,520 --> 02:33:21,440
Speaker 1: one of the dopest come on right. So then you

2731
02:33:21,600 --> 02:33:26,320
Speaker 1: but Kanye comes along with that backpack mentality and the

2732
02:33:26,480 --> 02:33:30,720
Speaker 1: honesty that he has the ability to bring together a

2733
02:33:30,920 --> 02:33:35,200
Speaker 1: most definite talent quality and a j just to get by,

2734
02:33:35,480 --> 02:33:38,080
Speaker 1: just to get hot, right, I mean to bring them together,

2735
02:33:38,160 --> 02:33:42,480
Speaker 1: to bring Jay together with um the spoken word artist

2736
02:33:42,560 --> 02:33:45,840
Speaker 1: j I Vey on his first album to have themes

2737
02:33:45,920 --> 02:33:51,279
Speaker 1: about social justice, about wanting material things about your own hypocrisy.

2738
02:33:51,879 --> 02:33:58,480
Speaker 1: I mean, Kanye's transparency was astonishing or is astonishing. And

2739
02:33:59,080 --> 02:34:02,520
Speaker 1: as an artist, and his ability to evolve and to

2740
02:34:02,720 --> 02:34:05,840
Speaker 1: grow and to make incredible music not only for the

2741
02:34:06,000 --> 02:34:09,000
Speaker 1: ear in the in the radio, on the radio in

2742
02:34:09,080 --> 02:34:12,760
Speaker 1: the car, but in stadiums and to transform the sonic

2743
02:34:12,920 --> 02:34:17,359
Speaker 1: landscape and then to bring that all together and continue

2744
02:34:17,400 --> 02:34:20,760
Speaker 1: to evolve and grow, uh, is damn remarkable. But yet

2745
02:34:21,000 --> 02:34:24,440
Speaker 1: when you think about what Farrell has done in terms

2746
02:34:24,520 --> 02:34:29,760
Speaker 1: of the architecture of sound and his high intelligence and

2747
02:34:29,920 --> 02:34:35,959
Speaker 1: his reflection about the aesthetic accouterments that constitute a powerful

2748
02:34:36,080 --> 02:34:40,480
Speaker 1: expression of identity through music, you're just they're both genus.

2749
02:34:40,760 --> 02:34:44,800
Speaker 1: Thank you. That's why we drunk up, Okay, Pete Primo

2750
02:34:45,000 --> 02:34:52,080
Speaker 1: or Pete Rock Frank, Yeah, just so you know, Pete Rocks.

2751
02:34:52,240 --> 02:34:55,200
Speaker 1: When I come to to work every day become a

2752
02:34:56,000 --> 02:34:57,959
Speaker 1: I have to pass by this mirror as a mirror

2753
02:34:58,120 --> 02:35:00,640
Speaker 1: of man, I don't want to ride here. I don't

2754
02:35:00,640 --> 02:35:02,560
Speaker 1: want to come here unless we go through there and

2755
02:35:02,640 --> 02:35:03,920
Speaker 1: I just look at it. I don't get out and

2756
02:35:04,040 --> 02:35:06,440
Speaker 1: take a picture. It's right up the block, but I

2757
02:35:06,520 --> 02:35:08,800
Speaker 1: have to see because it's a big mural of Pete

2758
02:35:08,879 --> 02:35:10,960
Speaker 1: Rock And I feel like this is my way of

2759
02:35:11,080 --> 02:35:14,080
Speaker 1: paying homies coming to hip hop. I mean looking at

2760
02:35:15,200 --> 02:35:18,800
Speaker 1: and then pre Pete Rocking in the sale, smooth coming out. Yeah,

2761
02:35:19,680 --> 02:35:23,880
Speaker 1: just both of them, just so fertile, so so creative

2762
02:35:23,959 --> 02:35:27,279
Speaker 1: at a at a crucial part of hip hop history. Okay,

2763
02:35:27,800 --> 02:35:34,879
Speaker 1: bad Boy or death Row? Mm hmmm, who I mean

2764
02:35:35,280 --> 02:35:39,760
Speaker 1: death Row was Snoop? I like your Snoop? Imprecious? I

2765
02:35:39,840 --> 02:35:43,440
Speaker 1: mean yeah, it's Snoop's the capital. So yes, I'm fresh

2766
02:35:43,480 --> 02:35:45,400
Speaker 1: and double O p p O double G y d

2767
02:35:45,520 --> 02:35:48,080
Speaker 1: O double G. You see it showing much flex when

2768
02:35:48,120 --> 02:35:50,040
Speaker 1: it's time to reckon Mike pimping holes in the clock

2769
02:35:50,040 --> 02:35:52,440
Speaker 1: of the grip, Like my name is Dolo Mike, Yeah,

2770
02:35:53,280 --> 02:35:58,640
Speaker 1: uh yeah, no doubt. But I mean Biggie, I mean

2771
02:35:58,840 --> 02:36:03,160
Speaker 1: little Kim like wow, I mean the death Row with

2772
02:36:03,400 --> 02:36:06,400
Speaker 1: pocket as well. Oh, I'm gonna have to give the

2773
02:36:07,040 --> 02:36:11,160
Speaker 1: Edge to to to bad Boy. It's funny you said

2774
02:36:11,400 --> 02:36:13,520
Speaker 1: how you broke up Biggie. You know that's what changed

2775
02:36:13,560 --> 02:36:16,800
Speaker 1: my life. Um. One day, I'm chilling in the Bronx,

2776
02:36:17,000 --> 02:36:18,960
Speaker 1: I think it was something the restaurant the mouthside, smoking

2777
02:36:18,959 --> 02:36:20,920
Speaker 1: a cigarett. I don't smoke Stay Risks no more, but

2778
02:36:21,080 --> 02:36:24,120
Speaker 1: I didn't. I did, and this woman comes up to

2779
02:36:24,200 --> 02:36:25,800
Speaker 1: me and she just started talking to me. I'm talking

2780
02:36:25,840 --> 02:36:28,920
Speaker 1: to her, that's the tonic conversation. But she said to me, man,

2781
02:36:29,920 --> 02:36:33,640
Speaker 1: it's boring. I wish your Biggie record was out. And

2782
02:36:33,800 --> 02:36:36,039
Speaker 1: she said it as if like Biggie was like going

2783
02:36:36,120 --> 02:36:38,720
Speaker 1: to Great Adventure. And I was just like what. I

2784
02:36:38,879 --> 02:36:41,440
Speaker 1: was like, what did you say? And I just started rapping.

2785
02:36:41,480 --> 02:36:43,440
Speaker 1: I just started, well, I've been was rapping. It's just

2786
02:36:43,520 --> 02:36:45,640
Speaker 1: I just started getting on. That's the reason why I've

2787
02:36:45,640 --> 02:36:48,080
Speaker 1: made Super Tug. What What What? What? What? Forrel is

2788
02:36:48,400 --> 02:36:51,720
Speaker 1: right to Parrell because I remember me telling him I

2789
02:36:51,920 --> 02:36:55,080
Speaker 1: want venting record. Yeah, And I remember, like, I don't

2790
02:36:55,120 --> 02:36:56,840
Speaker 1: know if he said what does an event record? Or

2791
02:36:56,879 --> 02:36:59,080
Speaker 1: someone in the room said what does an event record?

2792
02:36:59,120 --> 02:37:02,160
Speaker 1: And I was like, one more Chance? I want my

2793
02:37:02,400 --> 02:37:05,720
Speaker 1: version of One More Chance? And it was because the

2794
02:37:05,800 --> 02:37:08,880
Speaker 1: stranger that I didn't know just just just told me

2795
02:37:08,920 --> 02:37:13,240
Speaker 1: the most genius thing ever. She said, I it's boring out.

2796
02:37:13,320 --> 02:37:16,480
Speaker 1: I wish Biggie had a record. That's like as if

2797
02:37:16,560 --> 02:37:18,640
Speaker 1: that was something to do, like like to me, she

2798
02:37:18,760 --> 02:37:20,920
Speaker 1: described it like I wish I could go to great adventures.

2799
02:37:20,920 --> 02:37:22,200
Speaker 1: And I was just looking at her. I was like,

2800
02:37:22,440 --> 02:37:27,160
Speaker 1: she changed my life. Yeah that's me for like three

2801
02:37:27,240 --> 02:37:30,720
Speaker 1: minutes and then that was it. But all right, this

2802
02:37:30,800 --> 02:37:33,640
Speaker 1: is this is the last question, especially for a quick

2803
02:37:33,640 --> 02:37:36,360
Speaker 1: time with slave. Everyone thinks it's a trick question. Me

2804
02:37:36,440 --> 02:37:41,320
Speaker 1: and E. F N thinks it's pretty much. Um, loyalty

2805
02:37:41,520 --> 02:37:53,600
Speaker 1: or respect. Damn, that's deep. I say loyalty because if

2806
02:37:53,680 --> 02:37:57,840
Speaker 1: you have loyalty, respect is built in. You can have

2807
02:37:57,959 --> 02:38:02,720
Speaker 1: respect but not be loyal. Mm hmm. That's where. That's where.

2808
02:38:03,520 --> 02:38:06,480
Speaker 1: So I just want to thank you, you know you.

2809
02:38:07,320 --> 02:38:10,000
Speaker 1: I just want to I want to stay. I don't

2810
02:38:10,000 --> 02:38:12,480
Speaker 1: want to I'll thank you. And before before I also

2811
02:38:12,520 --> 02:38:15,480
Speaker 1: want to say, you know, to our fans and to

2812
02:38:15,560 --> 02:38:22,360
Speaker 1: the people, you know, we have a responsibility uh to deliver. No. Um,

2813
02:38:23,040 --> 02:38:26,800
Speaker 1: we're not politicians, but we're not dumb. Right. That's the

2814
02:38:26,879 --> 02:38:30,360
Speaker 1: reason why I apologize like, as a journalist, I could

2815
02:38:30,360 --> 02:38:34,760
Speaker 1: have left the the interview out. I could have said,

2816
02:38:34,760 --> 02:38:36,960
Speaker 1: that's just his views and that's it. But the minute

2817
02:38:37,000 --> 02:38:40,760
Speaker 1: that I heard that anybody from George Floyd family was offended,

2818
02:38:41,440 --> 02:38:43,240
Speaker 1: I took it down. You know, I mean, excuse me

2819
02:38:43,280 --> 02:38:46,200
Speaker 1: when I say, I mean us, the offenders in cases. UM.

2820
02:38:47,080 --> 02:38:48,440
Speaker 1: I was just like, you know what, we had, We

2821
02:38:48,520 --> 02:38:55,920
Speaker 1: had conversations, we had multiple UM conference calls, and you know,

2822
02:38:56,040 --> 02:38:57,720
Speaker 1: like I said, like we said earlier with with with

2823
02:38:57,920 --> 02:39:00,200
Speaker 1: with the COVID, like, you know, I got to see this,

2824
02:39:00,760 --> 02:39:05,040
Speaker 1: so you know, big up to my brother Kanye, you know. Uh,

2825
02:39:05,480 --> 02:39:07,680
Speaker 1: he tried to give me to watch this documentary and

2826
02:39:07,760 --> 02:39:09,360
Speaker 1: I was just like, you know what, it doesn't matter.

2827
02:39:09,800 --> 02:39:12,480
Speaker 1: I don't care if you show me a documentary. It

2828
02:39:12,680 --> 02:39:18,480
Speaker 1: just the eight minutes that I saw. It's so so

2829
02:39:19,040 --> 02:39:21,040
Speaker 1: I would like to say for our platform, and we

2830
02:39:21,160 --> 02:39:23,879
Speaker 1: did nothing wrong. We didn't say this rhetoric, We didn't

2831
02:39:23,920 --> 02:39:31,160
Speaker 1: say but us not being responsible enough to just say, yo,

2832
02:39:31,240 --> 02:39:35,960
Speaker 1: you know what if something in there that's going that

2833
02:39:36,160 --> 02:39:38,720
Speaker 1: it may hurt people, because I believe in free speech,

2834
02:39:38,879 --> 02:39:40,760
Speaker 1: but I don't believe in free speech when it hurts people.

2835
02:39:41,440 --> 02:39:43,240
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying I got I can say

2836
02:39:43,840 --> 02:39:47,000
Speaker 1: you know whatever, but if if I'm hurting you, I

2837
02:39:47,080 --> 02:39:49,600
Speaker 1: want to tell you I apologize. So so anybody that

2838
02:39:49,800 --> 02:39:54,400
Speaker 1: was hurt by what Kanye said on our platform wasn't us.

2839
02:39:56,280 --> 02:39:58,760
Speaker 1: You know we we we used to say about this ship.

2840
02:39:58,800 --> 02:40:01,960
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. You know we have we have

2841
02:40:02,120 --> 02:40:03,800
Speaker 1: g Z in the camp. We have all these other

2842
02:40:04,000 --> 02:40:05,680
Speaker 1: things in the camp. But it was more important for

2843
02:40:05,760 --> 02:40:07,760
Speaker 1: me to sit down with you. I remember how you

2844
02:40:07,840 --> 02:40:11,119
Speaker 1: sat down with Bill Moore after that, and you are people.

2845
02:40:11,160 --> 02:40:13,480
Speaker 1: That's why in the intro I said, my brother, he's

2846
02:40:13,520 --> 02:40:16,720
Speaker 1: your brother, and you know, for the for the people

2847
02:40:16,760 --> 02:40:19,880
Speaker 1: out there, like you said about cancel culture, because I

2848
02:40:19,920 --> 02:40:23,040
Speaker 1: don't want to be cocky. Y'all can't cancel us. I

2849
02:40:23,080 --> 02:40:25,200
Speaker 1: don't want to be cocky. But we own our own ship.

2850
02:40:25,920 --> 02:40:28,360
Speaker 1: We're doing the responsible ship. This is there's no one

2851
02:40:28,480 --> 02:40:30,760
Speaker 1: telling us, yo, don't do this, so don't do that.

2852
02:40:31,120 --> 02:40:34,320
Speaker 1: We're doing it. We owned up our own ship. We

2853
02:40:34,480 --> 02:40:36,720
Speaker 1: sat there and we said, you know what, let's own up.

2854
02:40:37,120 --> 02:40:38,560
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. You know what I'm saying for a lot

2855
02:40:38,560 --> 02:40:41,080
Speaker 1: of people who who are sitting there saying, you know what, well,

2856
02:40:41,120 --> 02:40:44,720
Speaker 1: why is Nori only apologizing. Uh, and why is not

2857
02:40:45,200 --> 02:40:49,200
Speaker 1: an apologizing y'all don't get blaming when Norri talks all

2858
02:40:49,240 --> 02:40:52,840
Speaker 1: the fucking take a ball the fucking episode, I represented him, then,

2859
02:40:52,920 --> 02:40:56,200
Speaker 1: I'm representing him. Now we are together, we are collectively

2860
02:40:56,800 --> 02:41:00,600
Speaker 1: and we are apologetic. We actually said sorry, we can

2861
02:41:00,720 --> 02:41:03,840
Speaker 1: we put out reports on the Hollywood Reporter. We all

2862
02:41:03,959 --> 02:41:06,959
Speaker 1: make mistakes. But that's why I'm here to learn. They say,

2863
02:41:07,520 --> 02:41:09,800
Speaker 1: the mistake is not The mistake is about how you

2864
02:41:09,879 --> 02:41:12,960
Speaker 1: react to the mistakes. And that's the reason why we

2865
02:41:13,040 --> 02:41:16,000
Speaker 1: did it. And I got so many people that's calling

2866
02:41:16,040 --> 02:41:18,720
Speaker 1: me saying you did the right thing. First off, you

2867
02:41:18,760 --> 02:41:20,280
Speaker 1: did the right thing by the interview, and that you

2868
02:41:20,360 --> 02:41:23,000
Speaker 1: did the right thing about letting them talk. But they're

2869
02:41:23,040 --> 02:41:31,400
Speaker 1: doing it privately, right, it's great, But they saw we

2870
02:41:31,520 --> 02:41:33,400
Speaker 1: was going through out there. And what I would like

2871
02:41:33,480 --> 02:41:37,039
Speaker 1: to say is one, that's who we are. We are people.

2872
02:41:37,440 --> 02:41:39,160
Speaker 1: We can't know we made a mistake until we know

2873
02:41:39,240 --> 02:41:42,120
Speaker 1: we made a mistake. That's right, That's right. I don't

2874
02:41:42,280 --> 02:41:44,160
Speaker 1: I don't get why people think that we're supposed to

2875
02:41:44,160 --> 02:41:47,560
Speaker 1: premeditated holy ship, But anyway, how do you know how

2876
02:41:48,000 --> 02:41:50,600
Speaker 1: you know it's hot until you actually burn yourself? You

2877
02:41:50,640 --> 02:41:52,680
Speaker 1: know your your bombs already told you the stove is hot,

2878
02:41:52,720 --> 02:41:55,160
Speaker 1: don't go over there, but your dumbass still put your

2879
02:41:55,240 --> 02:41:57,560
Speaker 1: finger in there, and you didn't know it was because

2880
02:41:57,600 --> 02:41:59,760
Speaker 1: sometimes even like this and it didn't you didn't actually

2881
02:41:59,800 --> 02:42:01,360
Speaker 1: tell hip. So you just got a little hot and

2882
02:42:01,360 --> 02:42:02,760
Speaker 1: you didn't even know if it was gonna burn. But

2883
02:42:02,840 --> 02:42:05,040
Speaker 1: it wasn't until you put your fucking finger on that

2884
02:42:05,120 --> 02:42:07,760
Speaker 1: ship and your your finger bubbled up and you saw

2885
02:42:07,840 --> 02:42:09,640
Speaker 1: that white thing that you said, this is a mistake,

2886
02:42:10,520 --> 02:42:12,000
Speaker 1: and let let me try to let me try to

2887
02:42:12,040 --> 02:42:13,600
Speaker 1: correct this. So this is what we're trying to do.

2888
02:42:14,280 --> 02:42:15,640
Speaker 1: And we could have left it up. We could have

2889
02:42:15,720 --> 02:42:17,800
Speaker 1: left it up on you know what, this is our

2890
02:42:17,920 --> 02:42:20,959
Speaker 1: journalistic point. We didn't do that. We said, we don't

2891
02:42:21,000 --> 02:42:22,840
Speaker 1: want to give views off of that. That's something that

2892
02:42:22,959 --> 02:42:26,640
Speaker 1: offended a family of a person that I saw. Then

2893
02:42:26,760 --> 02:42:30,560
Speaker 1: I and this it could affect my relationship with Kanye.

2894
02:42:30,720 --> 02:42:33,480
Speaker 1: But what I did first was I called him. I

2895
02:42:33,560 --> 02:42:35,720
Speaker 1: didn't want him to hear from the media that it

2896
02:42:35,879 --> 02:42:38,600
Speaker 1: was taken down. I called him like a man, and

2897
02:42:38,720 --> 02:42:41,920
Speaker 1: I said, maybe politics ain't my game, you know what

2898
02:42:41,959 --> 02:42:46,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And and so I appreciate you but we're

2899
02:42:46,959 --> 02:42:48,360
Speaker 1: in the fire right now. We got a couple more

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Speaker 1: days and we'll be out the fire, but hopefully, but

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Speaker 1: right now we're in the fire and you, you know,

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Speaker 1: reaching out to me. And I remember a scene the text.

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Speaker 1: I said, who who this? And he said, I said,

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Speaker 1: I called you immediately wait for you to call back

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Speaker 1: and say, hey, man, yo, listen. And it's necessary. It's necessary.

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Speaker 1: It's necessary for us not to be chastised, for us

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Speaker 1: to be corrected the same way, the same way, the

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Speaker 1: same way we want him to be corrected. But ya know,

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Speaker 1: we this coach. You know this this coach. You know

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Speaker 1: that's why I love brothers like Killer Mike and Todd

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Speaker 1: Live Quality and Q Tip and all these people who

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Speaker 1: called me. And you know they laughed at first cause

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Speaker 1: I was like, man, you should not to stand next

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Speaker 1: to him. But you know, for for every everyone who

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Speaker 1: called me fat Joe, um, everyone who called me so uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I want to really thank you, you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, for standing next to us and schooling

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Speaker 1: us and helping us out. Okay, what you're doing is important,

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Speaker 1: and you're brave and courageous and you're honest, and you're

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Speaker 1: admitting a mistake, which is what we all make and

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Speaker 1: all do. You didn't intend it, like you said, You're

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Speaker 1: not literally responsible for Kanye. You gave him a platform.

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Speaker 1: He said some things that are deeply, profoundly problematic, anti semitic,

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Speaker 1: against George Floyd's family, that really are anti black. And

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Speaker 1: to have the courage to call him and tell him,

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Speaker 1: but also to do this publicly, uh, to grapple with

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Speaker 1: it is extremely necessary. So I sleep both. Salute both

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Speaker 1: of you. I watch your shows every every segment. I'm

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Speaker 1: a huge fan, so thank you for having me. By

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Speaker 1: the way, this is a great episode. I didn't drink

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Speaker 1: They're gonna get me twe Thanks for joining us for

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